PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - As Eagles’ offseason of change continues, Nakobe Dean wants to return to Philadelphia

Episode Date: February 6, 2026

Nakobe Dean joins the PHLY Eagles show from Radio Row, as do a series of beloved guests, including Sheil Kapadia, Jourdan Rodrigue, Gregg Rosenthal and a certain character from the show’s past. EJ Smith and Bo Wulf close out Super Bowl week with more thoughts on Jeff Stoutland’s departure, Nick Sirianni’s standing in the organization and what made Nakobe Dean’s season so special. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome the final episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast live from Radio Roe, presented by Bet365 and Wawa. Bo Wolf and E.J. Smith, and what a show. We have coming your way today. We're going to be joined by NCOBY Dean, who's going to tell us about his expectations for the off season. The great Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Rodriguez are going to join us from the NFL Daily podcast. But we kick it off with an old friend. Shil Kapata, how are you? I thought maybe there would be a Wawa hoodie waiting in the chair for me. I've seen you guys rocking the Wawa merch.

I could have used some. And I also like, you know, I knew I liked Lindsay just as a listener. And then I met Lindsay. And then I liked that she made you do the intro two times. So anyone who needles you is a friend of mine. So this is so far it's going great for me. All right. E.J.

How are you? I'm doing very well. I just sleep last night. It's Friday now. I got something I want to say. Oh. No, this is positive. Clear out.

You guys both mean. much to me. To be on this podcast set with the two of you, it is the best possible way I can have my week. I'm not here to mix it up. I'm here to let you guys... Emotionally available. I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

When I saw Shield this week, she'll give me a hug. I gave you a last time I saw you. I gave E.J. a hug every time I see him, right? No. For a hug. We go. Brutian.

Yeah. What has changed in your life to make you so emotionally available on this? I don't know that I would. I'm emotionally available, but, you know, who doesn't like a nice greeting like that? I agree. Yeah. I think I've hugged you in the past.

I feel like in the past, but maybe not always as a first greeting. Well, consider this the start of a new era of our friendship. I like that. I'm excited. Pre-hug, post-hug. Let's see how it goes. Let's get into the big takeaway presented by Xfinity. And I imagine that most of our listeners have also listened to you on the Philly Special,

the Ringer's Philly Special, and you've discussed Jeff Stoutland's ouster. But let's discuss it here. Get that in the title as well. Yeah. After letting it marinate, what do you feel like this reflects about the Eagles organization? Wow. The Eagles organization, I think it does signify an overhaul of offensive scheme. Like, if you want to be rational about that, you can have the take that, you know what?

They want to overhaul the offensive scheme. I'm sure you guys have talked about this. You know, I haven't been able to keep up with every pod, but I've listened to the first one. I got flights coming up, so I will catch up. But that, hey, they want to go under center, play action, outside zone. Maybe Jeff Stoutland doesn't major in that. Maybe he doesn't want to do it with all the motion. So we don't want to let him go.

But if we're really going to do this the right way and overhaul everything and see if Jalen Hertz can handle it and modernize our offense, then we've got to make this change. That's the rational thing. Let me ask you this, not to cut you off. No, please. But this is a question I asked, E.J., if they hired Jim Bob Cooter or Matt Nagy, Do you think that Jeff Stoughtland is still here?

I don't. Neither do I. So that's a good. I like that. That's a good framing. I don't. So I think the more emotional reaction is probably the right reaction, which is that Jeff Stoutland's coaching last year, things aren't going well. Nick Siriani says, I got to step in here.

I got to do more because Petulo is my guy. He's getting crushed. And his do more was changes in the run game and saying, well, why don't we do this? Jeff Stoughtlin feels like, man, I've been here for 13 years. I've coached under all these different coaches. We've won two Super Bowls. The offensive line has been the strength of the team. By the way, nobody was complaining about the running game last year.

No, and your boy can't cut it. And now you think the problem is me, taking away some of my responsibilities. Then they get to the offseason. And Nick Diiani says, yeah, well, we're going to kind of keep it that way because we want to marry the run in the past game. And at some point, it gets personal. And the relationships, Nick Siriani can't mend them. I'm sure at some point, Jeffrey Lurie said, We do want to overhaul it.

But Jess Stoutland means a lot to me. Personally, means a lot to the organization. Let's find a role for him that he's happy with while still making those changes. And Nick Siriani couldn't make it happen. And Jess Stoutland said, screw you guys. I'm out of here. And that to me is the most logical reading of this. I don't know.

I think it's a fair reading of the situation. I think, you know, the personality dynamics at play really kind of overshadow what should have been, I guess what I said on the show is that I think it's disappointing they couldn't find a way back. You know, and I think the only way that that really makes sense is if the personality dynamics and as Sheel said so eloquently, you know, the personal, it got personal. So yeah. Well, and also, I mean, just think about this part rationally. If they thought that it was really best to move on from Jeff Stoutland, they would have done it already. Correct. They had to get ahead of

hiring a new offensive line coach. Yeah. And so obviously they were trying to bring him back in some capacity and honestly good for Jeff Stoutland who hasn't wanted to flip off their boss I know that's I mean come on and also from Stoutland's perspective here if he had a strong relationship with the head coach and said I love working for this guy you're telling me that four decades of coaching experience yeah in different schemes different systems college NFL has seen every trend you can think of you're telling me he couldn't find a way to be a great coach under this new, which, you know, they've sprinkled in a little bit here and there. I know the scheme is different than what he's done, but I have a hard time believing that if he felt his relationship was strong and he felt empowered that, all right, this might not

be my preference, but you know what? I got to change with the times. He's changed with the times before that I've got to find a way to be a great coach in this scheme with, like that is kind of the way he's wired, I think, Jeff Dallens, so I think he would do that. Let me play the other side, though. Okay. The other side is the Eagles offense clearly needs an overhaul. Yeah. And I agree with you that Jeff Soutland is a great coach and you would expect him to be flexible. But clearly the Eagles, or at least there are members in the organization that don't think that he is flexible on these things. And, you know, the analogy I used earlier is it's like you built a garage around your sports car, right? And then you realize you're not doing, you know, to take it back to football, you're not doing the quarterback run game.

You're not doing under center run. You don't have an expansive under center. run game, you don't have a play action game. You know, Jalen Hertz isn't throwing over the middle of the field. You have all these things you don't do. And it's almost like at some point you're going to have to clear out like a load-bearing wall, which is Jeff Stalind in this scenario, because you've got to get the car out at some point. I like the restaurant analogy.

What's the restaurant? Where under the Eagles, they have been kind of like a refined menu that does everything really well, high quality, but it's like they make six things. Yeah. Now they want to create a wider menu. They want to be kind of like a diner to some degree, but only because the six items on the menu are now only B's instead of A pluses every time.

Yes, I think that is a strong analogy game right then. You take what you can where you can find it. I mean, some of those things you mentioned, though, are not just out on things, you know? Quarterback run game, not throwing it over the middle of the field. So what are we talking about here? I think under center run game. Under center run game.

I think motion is a big one. Motion is probably the biggest one. All right. Yeah. I don't know. Setting protection. pre-snap to me. I wonder if that is a Stadlin thing, the way that you see all of the guys adjusting things

and it's not just on one person. Yeah, that's true. I'm not saying that I'm not making this argument. I'm just telling you that the argument exists, that Jeff Stoutland, the run game coordinator, leaves something to be desired. Jeff Stoutland, the offensive line coach, is unquestioned. And that is the role the others wanted to bring him back in. Hearing from people who will, like, die on the sword that Jeff Stoutland is the best

offensive line coach and maybe one of the best position coaches who's ever lived will also say they don't think as a run game coordinator he is like the best which i think is fine okay but there's no way i mean given that even still this was the first year i know i have not had an elite they were doing it with miles sanders they were doing it with the andre swift i agree we were doing it with young offensive linemen coming up they had one of the greatest run games in the history of the nfl yeah there's no there's just no way that this was the right end case scenario yes the best of the best end case scenario for them, right? Losing Statland is not something that they won't.

I mean, there is a world in the NFL. If you are an Eagles fan of a certain age, you have not had to deal with where, guess what, you draft a guy and these late round picks don't develop at all. And that you bring a backup in, and it's just a complete disaster. You can't get that guy up to speed.

I mean, if you want to give Howie Roseman credit for that, I guess you could make the argument that, but I just refuse to believe that some of these guys would have not been liable. abilities. I mean, some of these teams, they have a backup offensive linemen come in, and their offense is just torpedoes for like three weeks because the guy stinks. And now I'm not saying that's definitely going to be the case. Maybe Sean Mannion will be great. Maybe this new run game guy who I've never heard of before will be great. There is a high ceiling. I don't want to make it

sound like it's definitely doom and gloom. But the variance is very high here. Absolutely. Where they're putting a lot of stock in a play caller who's never done it before. And I kind of like the idea of a Sean Manion. You guys did great reporting on this this week where I'm like, man, People really speak gloatingly about this guy. I'm excited to watch it, but there's such an uncertainty and an unknown with this offense that the offense could completely suck next year, especially when you add in the AJ Brown, the Lane Johnson, and the Dallas guy. It's a lot.

This is almost an unprecedented offseason of change for this office. And they really have invited the variance. I know that the hiring cycle for the offensive coordinator didn't go to plan for the Eagles here. They had top candidates that they wanted. But still, they invited variance with the first-time play caller and Sean Mesa. They're inviting a lot of variance by blowing up the offensive line infrastructure that they had. And, yeah, there's a lot of personnel questions. Yeah, I mean, play it forward on the offensive line, the worst case scenario right now.

Lane Johnson decides he wants to retire because he doesn't want to play for someone other than Jeff Stoutland. Doesn't want to learn a whole new system, yeah. Tyler Steen continues to be just okay. Cam Juergens continues to be a shell of himself and is not very good at center. Lennon Dickerson, the injuries take over and he plays one more year. And Jordan Milana is a good left tackle. And you've got to replace a right tackle. all of a sudden you have a mediocre offensive line,

that's very much on the table. To say nothing up, who's going to be the coach who might not be that good. So if I were doing the, is there a Positolphe? No, what do you call it? Negedophian. Pidi Pablo positive?

San Luis. What was your weird thing you have? Yeah, I forget. It's too. There's Donovan Downer and whatever. Positiveity prancer. Just go with that. If you want to, yeah, if you want to do that,

you could say that one of the benefits of this scheme theoretically is that you don't need a great offensive line. The dolphins under Mike McDaniel have not had talent there. The 49ers, you look at their offensive line every year. It's not a great offensive line. They make it work. And so one of the benefits of this scheme is that you can actually make it work without maybe the most talented guys. But now you're really trusting that you can teach it. And in year one, this isn't like a three-year project. If this thing goes you know, badly next year. We're sitting here in these seats

next year being like, I think, a new coach for the Philadelphia Eagles. We'll get to that because I do think that this is a real Nick situation. Let's close the deal on the big takeaway presented by X-Pinity. Wait, can I ask you one more question? Do you want to close that? No, yeah, I'm just closing that second. Oh, close that second.

Okay. And by the way, you mentioned the reporting on Sean Mannion. Yeah. I'm glad you brought that up because in this episode, we have an exclusive interview that I haven't teased yet with an old friend of the pod about their experience with Sean Mannion, please stay tuned for that. Go ahead.

Old friend of this pot? Actually, no, this is a me and you pot. It's both. A long running. Oh, I know who it is. I heard about you waiting for him, and I was like, I hope that guy didn't listen to birds with friends back in the day. Now you're trying to interviewing him about Sean Man. All right,

give me your take, and I'm sure you've said this before, so I apologize to the listeners, but Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roastman, do they sign up where they part of, hey Nick, if this isn't going to work, we need to find, is Nick bringing it to them? And they're saying, all right, we don't want to do this, but we're signing off. I just, my experience covering the team, I don't know that Jeffrey Lurie had more sort of respect and admiration for anybody,

any coach on the staff than Jeff Stellen. But that was a long time ago. And things changed. Like, what do you think they're, because I always say, Nick's not picking his own staff. So I can't now come in and say, well, Nick's to blame because was there a larger sign-off on this? How do you see that? It's a great question. I wonder if

Jeffrey Lorry's desire for this offense to step into a more modern something that is more resembling of the offenses across the league that are pushing the boundaries and modern offense. I wonder if his fascination

and desire for the Eagles offense to look like that would outweigh. It's hard to say that it would outweigh his admiration for Jeff Allen. But if Jeff If he's standing in the way, if he's standing in the way of you getting to that, I could see a world where you say, we hate to lose the offensive line coach, the person, the player developer, the culture center, but again, the offense has to evolve. I could see a scenario in which Jeffrey Lurie has made Jeff Stoutland the highest paid position coach in the NFL, right? At least at one point that was the case.

I think they have probably rewarded him along the way. I could see a scenario where Jeffrey's like, enough. I've done this enough, right? Like, if for instance, it was Jeff Stoutland being like, okay, well, if you want me to stick around, then I need more, and Jeffrey finally holding the line or something like that. Interesting. I could see that.

And then Stout, prideful as he is, being like, fine. I'm out, like, you're gonna call my bluff. I'm not bluffing. If you're Jeffrey in that situation, you probably are still upset that Nick got it to that point. Oh, no doubt about it. Yeah. but I could see that being part of it.

It might have been untenable at this point. Like he's like, all right, I don't want to lose this guy. I'd love to make it work with him. But Stoughton's like, no. And I don't know where this contract situation is, but yeah, or maybe he's like, no unless you do this. And it's like, is this actually worth it to do it? Or is this just the natural, all things have to end at some point.

And this kind of sucks, but this is where we're at. It also creates an interesting thing for them as they enter a draft where we think they really need to add some offensive linemen for sure. True. Yeah. You knew what you were drafting for for Jeff Stoutland. Are you all of a sudden going to change that entirely for this year, when this could be the only year of this?

No, you can't do that, right? It's all scouting personnel side. I don't think this coaching staff on the offensive side may be as uninvolved in a draft as any coaching staff. I mean, I don't think they care one thing about what anyone on that offensive side of the coaching staff. And to your point, probably nor should they. Yeah. Yeah. All right, good stuff. All right. Let's take our first break on the other side. We're going to be joined by Nacobi Dean. Looking forward to that. Very good interview with Nkobi Dean after that. It'll be Greg

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The great Nikobe Dean on Radio Relative. How are you? What brings you here? I'm well. I'm well. You know, I'm just shaking hands, networking a little bit. There's no babies to kiss here. Let's get that curating up as Freed hits your project. Just make sure everybody remembers that Nikovi's not there with that big smile. What do you feel like you proved this season coming back from what you did? I mean, I don't know. I don't want to say proved, but I feel like nobody's, nobody sort of me and my family thought I was going to come back the way out.

I did at the time that I did, because I mean, I feel like I could have went a couple weeks before I even got out there. Yeah, for sure. But just I proved that, you know, having faith in God, it truly matters, you know, and yeah, I'm blessed. Yeah, I mean, listen, I was among those people. Not that it was doubting you, but just the history of that injury to come back. And there was like, there was no rust. No. It's, it was crazy.

I didn't, I couldn't have rush. It was one of them, I mean, I'm in a situation I'm going to free agency. I got to get my spot back from a guy who's playing real good. You can't come back and be rusty. You got to come back and be on your sit. You can't come back and not knowing the plays. You got to come back and almost like you never left, but I felt like I was able to do that.

Didn't surprise you a little bit, though? Like the level that you played at, it really didn't surprise you. No, you're talking to a guy who the first, six weeks didn't even play. I mean, I guess week six I got out there and they put my on special teams. But the first six weeks didn't even play and I still stayed out to practice to watch film like I was playing. Still, still did my 500 shots post practice to like I was playing getting my extra ball, I mean, catching all the extra football and everything. So it wasn't

surprised me. I put it in the work and it was something that I prayed for to come back and do what I did. So it wasn't surprised me to be able to do what I did. And so as far as the business of football, as you enter free agency, how do you balance as a guy who was like the leader on defense and have you have played with all of those Georgia guys for a long time balancing, man, I'd love to still be with my boys versus I got to do what's best for me and find where I am most valued. Well, the good thing I've kind of gone through NFL a little bit. I just my after four years being in the league and kind of understand the business.

of the lead and kind of understand how it flows. If I'm put like this, if it's a situation out there that is better or if the Eagles don't want to bring me back in the thing, all my guys will fully understand. They'll be pushing me. They'll be mad at me if I don't go to a situation that's better for me just to continue to play with them. So it vice versa. But either way, but they know, and the Eagles, though, I don't want to go no way.

I'm not saying talking to you, like, it seems like you're, you guys have had real conversations about the landscape in Philadelphia, but I guess where, where's your head at? Like I said, I want to stay. I want to stay. But like you said, real conversations, having me had real, more real conversations are going to be had the closer we get into free agency. But, like, I want to stay. And I appreciate everybody knows everybody. I said it 100 million times. But, of course.

But you also want to make sure that you get what you deserve. For sure. Definitely. Like I said, it's a business. It's a business. I know Eagles and Howie and everybody's going to do what's best for the team. So I got to make sure I do it the best for me. Does Vick's return now change? How are you feeling all? Of course, you want to go to the defense where you get, where I can fit. You fit in. It's a great fit. So not really. If Vick won those guys, he's been in the league so long, I can call them and be like, look, I'm feeling this team and that team.

He'll give me a straight. That's true. They gave me the truth. I know your future was also kind of, is also kind of up in the air, but were you calling Vic? Like, are those retirement things? Is that real? I didn't call him. I don't want to be that guy.

Yeah. I want to be that guy. He'd been to leave him so long. It might be, he might got 20-year-old guys already. So I don't want to be that guy. I'm pretty sure he'll do it with more than enough. If he would have retired, he would have deal with more than enough time for all the free agents to see. So we was all good.

I wanted to ask you about, like, it seems. Being you and Jahad's relationship up close, I think some people would be surprised at how close you guys are and really just like it almost felt like you were a mentor figure for him. I guess how would you describe your relationship? Well, I walked into an Eagles organization the last four years that I've had great vets. I've had great vets, great guys ahead of me in T.J. Edwards, Kizier White. I mean, Jack came in, but Zach Barron, guys like that who was kind of ahead of me. I had Zach Cunningham come in. I had a little time with a couple guys.

By the way, you kind of walk into the organization where there's great vets from East, and you see that in each position room. So it was like it wasn't hard for me to be a good vet to job. It went hard to me to set them in. And then for him to be a rookie, for him to be as much of a pro, years, he steps ahead of the game. Can I run through the four other Georgia guys with you and just get your, like, your temperature check on the season they had and what is to cut?

Okay. So let's start with Jordan Davis, who, to our eyes, had as good of a season as we could have possibly achieved. Sure. I don't know how he didn't make like Pro Bowl or that. I agree. Absolutely. And how integral was he to you guys being able to stop the run as well as you did with only, you know,

six guys in the box? It was great. I mean, I know we talk about, I know. We talked about him this year, how he stepped up. But even last year, before he even got as good as shape, he got in now, how good he was, and able to stop the run and be a pivotal kind of rock in the middle of that defense. How about Jaylen Parker? What do you think is next for him?

Jaylen, I mean, Scott is limited for JC. You know, he got, of course, he had a couple of injuries things this year where he had to miss a couple games. Both shoulders, yeah. Yeah, I know, but the sky is limber for JC when he's playing and he healthy and he can turn it can't nobody. Did he stop? Another guy who played through some injuries, Nolan? Yeah, Nolan.

I'm going to say, now here, like you said, he'll play through the injury. He got through it. He's going to be coming back. Healthy is over. I know he's going to be bending the corner. And like I said, it's going to be a badger for Nol or two, unless they pick up his field for still. It'll be bagging for Nol too.

So pretty sure he's going to be bending that corner with Piss and Venetton. And then finally, Keely. And is he a guy who you breathe life into when he goes through the season that he got? Sure. You got to. You know, you got to breathe life to all my guys. spirit but if if he if he'd be playing quarterback cornerback or special teams he go I think rea you look at Rigo if he played if he never played quarterback again he going to play the

league 15 years is one of the best sports teams that league I don't care what you say but he also he also got all the abilities and a substitute two-bed-be able to be a great corner in the league and he definitely still got time to put it all together now as for you I think The thing that Eagles fans would say, their favorite thing about watching you is when you run over a running back in past protection and your Blitzin. I'm curious if as you walk around here, if you've seen anybody in the league who you have run for you? No, I haven't seen any running backs at all, really. Maybe they're avoiding you. They're hiding you.

They see you coming. They're going to go to the other way. Yeah, I never really see you too being a running back. How much do you enjoy that? Is that like, do you have a favorite part of the playing? Yeah, if you could only do one thing on a football player, but would have been. Oh, I only do one thing. I mean, blitzing if you want to be one of the short.

But, I mean, running through guys was just, I want to say it was always part of the plan, but it was like they give you, they give you the set. And it's like you got to make the move. And I feel like the number one thing, if I don't listen to nothing else, as a blitzing linebacker, the number one thing you should do to get to the quarterback, you just never stop your movement or your feet going straight to the quarterback. All the movement and everything. I mean, and one-on-ones is pretty.

But like if it's one-on-ones, you do this and he kind of catch the hip and the quarterback able to step up in the pocket. In the game, that's not effective. Just keep your momentum. You know, keep them. You ain't got to bull them, but keep your momentum. Keep moving forward to the quarterback. Don't stop your feet. Is there a running back that's gotten you?

Of course. Who is it? Does that way stand out? I guess I could say, um, not, um, ask for Gently. Oh, man, I can't. I mean bad with names for you. Okay, got you. running back of Raiders.

Most. Josh Jacobs. Me, Most. Most. That's a old hat. That's a bad. Yeah, I'm going to say the only reason I can say that is because I kind of was on the on the run of running guys over and then we played a Raiders this year.

Yeah. And yeah. And I kind of, and I kind of spent all week ready for that. That was the only thing he was in. I kind of went there a little high. I didn't I didn't go low to high like I usually do. He kind of like stoned me for a second. It was like I won late, but it's like, you know, when you said a standard for you said,

you got to continue to play that standard. What was Vicks reaction when we saw that on the film? You got to win. You got to win. But, I mean, we played, we had a good defense game that game, so they didn't get them too bad. Did you get any meatballs? I did. I did.

I got a couple of weeks. I got the, um, beat ball played a week. Yeah. Great, great meatball. There probably was the one who like really put this out. He had the video. You were the one to posted that video. Oh, yeah, yeah.

I had the video. He never said it. to me about that video either. But I did. I put the video on Vic where he was doing a meatball. Nkobie Dean, the great Nkobie Dean. We wish you luck. We hope that you get everything that you deserve. Thank you so much for joining us. Back with Moore. Appreciate you. On the PHLA. Thank you. Thank you. So I get to the airport yesterday and I meet up with our social media manager, Ben, and we look at each other. And we're both wearing the wah-wah sweatshirts. And we looked at each other and we said, this is a man who knows about the deal going on

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All right, welcome back to the PHLY Eagles podcast and what is now a Super Bowl tradition, second year in a row, although a different fourth. The great Jordan Rodriguez and Greg Rosenthal of the NFL Daily podcast. Welcome guys. Glad to be here. Don't make it awkward. I was about to say, I've been called worse than a different fourth, but I'll take it.

In parentheses, also Bo. I actually personally like that one. I don't know. I mean, I don't know where I've seen that before. I said move over Hemingway. This is a new status story in only two words. I mean, I'm a regular listener, big fan of all Pitcho. Don't let him take all the credit.

I also am a regular listener. Probably not as regular. This is going to be a bit of a back-and-forth love fest. Yes, it is. But you had big shoes to fill. Like, not literally. Yes. He reminds me that not literally, but yes.

They're probably small. I mean, who else got like a seven-day, seven-hour live show, like different send-off? Well, yeah. Just like, you know, go to a different company. But it's been great with listening to you. It means a lot coming from both of you guys. I appreciate that. All right.

I'm going to lob the returns. Let's do it up. Let's do it now. Plan it on me. I'm ready. EJ is teaching a journalism class this year for the first time. And I believe the first day he sort of introduced them to the idea of journalism crushes, people who you really like, you know, if you're going to want to be a writer, you got to have writers

who you appreciate and appreciate the craft. And on that slide, Jordan Roderie. Bo Wolf. Oh, wait, what? Yeah. Oh, I thought you were. No way. I thought you were like an old rote-world reader.

I literally felt Greg like squaring up his shirt, like getting ready to receive a compliment here. Thanks for explaining the bit. E.J. That is nice. He loves the top 101. I'm about to say I appreciate Bo like putting me out there like this. But yes, Jordan, you're one of your stories. I mean, you guys should be reading all of Jordan's work, but your story on Carly or say Gordon, I had them. It was one of the stories for the media critique. And man, my students also have you as journalism crushes now.

We're big Jordan fans. Well, they can reach out to me anytime if I can ever help with anything. Oh, man. All right, laying in on a little thing. My email is G. Rosenthal at N. All right. The other thing we have to talk about, Jordan, let's get this off the top. Wait, Bo, I can't see you.

I can see the back of Greg's head. The reverse of that is, is I have a very embarrassing story of an exchange with Jordan that. Really honestly, I've been thinking about since. And this was on the heels of your. for GMs to watch, which was on the athletic. And I'm thinking to myself, you know, I bet this has been like an annoying week for Jordan, where she's just hearing from people around the league

complaining that, you know, their client or they themselves are not on her list. I had heard somebody say like, oh, I wish I was on this list, a couple people. So I'm thinking, oh, like, let me identify with Jordan here. Let me tell her that I'm understanding what she's going through. And I did it in a very ham-fisted way,

a way that made it seem like. He said, your list freaking sucks. I'm like, hey, how many people have you heard from this week? Like, I've heard from two. Like, first of all, like, as if I'm flexing that I also talk to people in the league. And then, and then bury a deeper hole. And like, but the EURSA story was good, though. But I don't know why it's through and though.

Yeah. Yeah. He hit me with like an actually, as you would say. It's like, actually the Earth's story was good. Oh, my God. I've returned your farm. And then I said, who was it? If you're going to send me a text like this, at least tell me who it was.

Obviously, I can't out of source. And you did not, you felt the need to tell me that. But then, you know, then you were, it was a win for you for not protecting. I've been embarrassed about it every day since. I mean, I'm sure they're listeners to your show. I would hope that they are. Reach out to me, please. I would love it.

There you go. I would love to make this right however I can. I think getting older is slowly realizing all the different ways your insecurities have been coming out and still do come out in a way that is readable to other people that you didn't realize and just like finding out more and more of those. I find that for myself. I don't want to project, but I think that's what's happening here. That's part of it, yeah. It's also just like why not take a second to think about the proper way to send the text. It's like, you know what, though?

I'm guilty of this too. Like sometimes me and Greg will be sitting in the studio and on a. I felt daily and, you know. Which everybody should listen to. Absolutely. Thank you. And I'll look over at him and I'll be like, are you okay today? You'll be like, what?

What? Do I not look okay? Sounds familiar, Jordan. And then during a commercial break, we'll be like, I mean, and I'm okay. Did I still not seem okay? Like, I'm like, ooh, you know, when I'm insinuating something different. I was going to say you were speaking my language right now, Jordan. Yep, yeah, my bad.

We talked about, you know, the season is one thing. There are different beats of the season. have sort of different, every day is a different show. The off season, it really becomes more about just the cabin fever of the two of us doing the show five days in a row. It's kind of fun. It is. I mean, yeah, we're in this together.

You've had a lot more time off, not off, but without the team playing actual football this month. So you're off-season set show. And it's just a lesson for the listeners. We're still waiting for the first successful ask of, are you okay? It's never a good thing. Yeah. Yeah.

It's never been reacted to favorably. You don't need to do it. All right, let's pivot to a little bit of football time. Yeah, we want to talk some football? I mean, I don't, honestly. Are you guys okay? We're doing great, yeah. Now that you're here, we are so good.

Yeah. I was seething earlier today, but that's fine. What is your guys' perspective on the Eagles off season so far? The offensive coordinator search that never ended and the perceptions that maybe people didn't want to work for this team. and now the news that Jeff Stoutland is not going to be here this long-time tentfold. Well, the coordinator search feels so much worse now because of this part, too. Like, I was willing to give them some benefit of the doubt that Mannion, okay, maybe he'll offer some different ideas.

They've got the double-pronged attack with getting your guy Grisard, but, you know, there's concerns about the whole thing. And then Stoutland happening after that kind of calls into question everything that happened before. It's like, oh, yeah, all the worst things that everyone probably thought, they're probably true yeah the the amount of people who they seem to be doing research on and yeah as a contingency plan for that position and the difficulty that they seem to have um landing on a person slash getting people also interested in mutually interested in it i think when you have a previous offensive coordinator say we have this is our win record but it's not pretty sometimes and my house was

egged. Sometimes that can, I would think, scare off some candidates, but I think it's maybe more than that in my perspective, much more than that. It's a really tough building to, like, thrive in. And I don't say that as a negative, because it does sound like, are you okay? But it's not that. No, this is exactly what we've been talking. To me, this is like, if you can succeed in this building, you can do it anywhere with any stakes, with any infrastructure, and that's part of why the building is designed the way that it is. I think it's intentionally done that way in a lot of ways, especially in the front office.

And certainly that's leaked over, so they hope, I think, in the coaching staff. Now, I also think that we're seeing now some communication issues that have permeated through the locker room, also permeate our coming out through the coaching staff as well. And that's where we come to the Jeff Stoutland part, where it seems like, based on the reporting so far, maybe he didn't feel like he was in the loop as much on this entire thing. But overall, this is a very, very tough building to say,

what do I want my life to look like? 100%. Right? Not just like, how am I calling a game or what's my scheme or whatever. Like, what do I want my life to feel like and look like while I'm here? And if you feel like you can succeed there and if you can succeed there, I think you could do anything anywhere. But if you can't, man, are you going to get chewed up and spat out?

Well, there's two parts here. Let's talk about the front office thing first because this is something that we have talked about, which is that the way that Howie Roseman runs a building is a huge reason for their success. You know, he cares about every little thing maniacally, right? But it's not for everybody. And there are people, you know, around the league, the longer than Howie's been there, that means there are more people who have left the building. and there are a lot of people who have then gone to other places that are also successful

and find, oh, like, it doesn't have to be necessarily like this, where every single day we are on eggshells and, like, to your point about the quality of life, you know, and then that gets to the coaching thing, which is if that's grading, and that is a really difficult thing to deal with every day, then you don't also want that to be the way with the head coach, too, right? And you could understand how that would maybe get to be too much. Yeah, I mean, and I think it's fair to add the owner in there, too. You know, Jeffrey, Lori, there is an urgency to win in Philadelphia that is not for everyone.

Yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it much more succinct than I was. But you talk about this team a lot, Jordan. I appreciate that. I'm still working on that part. Ask Greg. I am still working on not rambling. Don't you think presumably, you know, McDaniel or Daibel, like, ultimately, like, it wasn't the job for them, in part because, like, they have this structure where I'm sure they like Jeff Stout,

and he's a value ad, but it's like, the expectation is, okay, we've got, we've got these different coaches in place that you're going to inherit, and they are absolutely staying. And Stoughtland is a key part of that. So when the new guy comes in and then Stoughtland ends up, it's very confusing. And when it's not, like, if Mike McDaniel had come in, and then it's like, okay, this is not a great scheme fit with Jeff Stoutland, you would understand it more. Like, okay, you got the top guy on the market. You can understand the ramifications. When you are already sort of picking out the best of the rest, and that still leads. to the divorce that I think

exposes that it was something deep. But there's no way Sean Mannion came in and was like I don't want Jeff Stoughtland, right? Yeah, I don't think it was that simple. I think it had to do with I mean, add Jeff Stoutland into this big personality complex too. You know, they all have big personalities. They all have, you know, a way

that they want to do things. And there is Jeff Stadlin, the offensive line coach and Jeff Stalland's a run game coordinator and if you wanted to move on from one of the two, maybe you have to move on. And I can tell you guys, the Eagles did not want to move on from Jeff Stoutland, the offensive line coach. It was the run game coordinator aspect that became a sticking point. So, and again, this is something that when you bring in Sean Manning, you have to be able to run an

offense that Sean Manning wants to run. I'm not sure that Jeff Stoutland's tendencies and preferences aligned with that. And for what it's worth, the worst offensive line season of that Jeff Staland error just happened. Some of the responsibilities away from him and they were historic with him as run game coordinator. And at the same time, as much as you will hear people now behind the scene saying Jeff Stalin is a terrible run game coordinator. They did have like the most successful running season in the NFL two years ago. So it was pretty good run game coordinator. But that was before they got that second chip.

And it does feel like a little bit of disease more when you're talking about big personalities and egos and you just won and you made two Super Bowls in three years. And a lot of those people were there for the one in 17. Like just it's a lot. It's hard to keep all that group together. It just points out, you know, what a straight line, you know, great. system that Bill Belichick was running where everyone was enjoying it. Oh, we got to hear now.

Okay. The non-Hall in Hall of Amher. And I'm a little bit tired of like, oh, my God, what are we going to do if Bill Belichick doesn't get into the first ballot? It's fine. I can't believe anything anymore. I will say I'm curious about the Sean Mannion of all of this because, yeah, they dug pretty deep to find, like, the person slash people who are going to come in and actually

do this job. And I kind of have to think that they're thinking. more about like the Todd Gurley era type of run game and like the back when you were a backup you know type and and and some of that mid zone stuff that Todd Gurley really thrived in and when I look at trying to maximize what's you know the rest of Saquan Barclay's time and and maybe alleviate some of the the straight up downhill you know good on good stuff that the offensive line we know has been so capable of but took a step back last year I think maybe that might be what they're sort of sniffing around in that regard.

And from a palace intrigue standpoint, it is also a greater indication that Nick Siriani does really want to just be hands off on the offense. And we'll see how long that stays the case. What could go wrong? But I don't know. All right, last thing. I wanted to ask Brandon Graham when you guys came on the show. Everyone should check out that episode especially. Absolutely.

Our Wednesday night show where Bo came on with Brandon Graham. And that was one of the things I asked. Pass a fire. I wanted to ask him about, like, everyone, you know, a lot of people kind of think, like, Siriani's, like, a little bit of a joke from the outside. Like, what is, what's he bringing on the table that you actually like? I got to know I'm asking you that now. Good question.

That's the are you okay of coaching question. Yeah, are you? I guess that's why I left it on the cutting room one. There's no great way to answer it. We do have to do one other back pat here because that is, you know, navel gazing is what we do here. I do look forward to whenever it is, I get a text from you about the great Christian Ellis. Oh, yeah.

The man most responsible for the Patriots being in the Super Bowl. Like almost in every down player in the playoffs, injuries have been a little bit of a part of that, literally made the key play that kind of sent them to the Super Bowl. Literally did it. Your, I don't know if it was a bit, but your belief in him becoming a very productive, winning player on a FC championship team. has been proven out.

The Eagles blew it. They should be listening. You're welcome. And he didn't even say actually. All right. He is fun. Greg Rosenthal and Jordan Rodriguez. Thank you so much for joining us.

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Code phly for 20% off your first order. Welcome back to the PHLY Eagles podcast, Bo, E.J and Sheel. Still here. Thanks for staying with the Shield. Yeah, you know, you made me wait a little while, but that's okay. We got to catch up. I have been feeling badly, actually, because in the beginning of this episode, E.J. said such nice things about us. I don't think we ever told him that we loved him, too.

I think that's on you. Yeah, you kind of changed the subject right away to, like, you made it about yourself and me hugging you one time. I'll take that. I'll take that. You don't need to know. I don't want you. I love you. I love you, too.

Now I'm a little uncomfortable. I know how you guys feel about me. It's fine. It's fine. Show don't say, right? He did a great job this week. Yeah. EJ's been on fire, I would say, I mean, he's really thrived in this role, I would say, from the beginning.

But I've really, as things have gotten kind of worse for the team, I feel like his insight has been even more valuable than usual this off season and really towards the latter. You know, I have a good... I can read reporters. You know what I'm saying?

I feel like your friend of the show, Diana Rossini, said this to me. She said, I can tell you read Rossini well. She's like, you know, and I'm hinting that... Wait, did she say herself in third person, Rossini? I think so. I don't know that she said that, but I might have to call you,

your columns, she's like, she's like, I can tell, because you'll just come out and say something, like, with an edge. And I feel like I have that, I'm able to do that with you guys as well. Yeah. When you're hinting at something. Like, earlier in the show, I was trying to workshop, well, not workshop, but I was giving you the other side of an argument,

and I was waiting because you have a good BS meter. Like, if you, like, get out of here with that, then. Well, I have the luxury of not being in a reporting role and talking to people now where I can just be like, I'm really annoyed by this spin. and so I'm going to go on the other side. I'm not always right, but, you know, it's a good angle to take. You're all.

What do you think about the Nick Siriani of this all? No, I got one more ego's question. Then we can just do nonsense. Yeah, no, I mean, what do you mean? Yeah. This guy looks a little like Frank Reich, right, behind there? No. With that hair?

No way. Like a crazy Frank Reich. Like it's weird, like a weird brother. Yeah, like Frank Reich's brother who's really into the ground. He looks actually. Honestly, more like Steve Bannon. No, he doesn't like Steve. Nick Siriani.

I don't know. His back's been up against the wall before. Yeah. And he's responded. I don't know that they're necessarily as set up as well to do that this year. But I did have thought that before. By the way, Sean Seyad would describe as the Roger Goodell of head coaches. Correct.

Yeah. I think that's probably accurate. I mean, I don't know that he ever said that word for word, but I think he probably thinks something along those lines. The defense, I think it's going to be good. I mean, can you imagine if Vic Fangio retired? But Vic Fangio... Yeah, I can.

Yeah, he can too, apparently. Often. Jay James, every Thursday, but with Vic Fangio and the young talent, it's just like their defense is going to keep them in a lot of games, and so I don't think they're going to suck next year. But, I mean, it's tough. I don't know how this is going to go offensively for them,

and I do think if they have a bad season, they are probably going to reach the point where are the returns, you know, worth the resume sort of with Nick Siriani, where we just keep him and try to build all this other stuff around him, or is this a time to kind of go in a different direction? Well, I think part of that is, is it okay if the CEO head coach, who we know is, like, really hard on the coaches, is it okay if that guy is, like, grating on the head coaches?

I don't know. Yeah, no. Well, you know, as you said, there's lots of big personalities at play. Yeah, no, I completely agree. Something that we maybe talked about on the walk over here. That's why I was chuckling to myself. I don't even remember. Years ago.

It was pre-brand muffin for you and talked to. A terrible. What? The first brand muffin I've had in years. Wait, does this have something to do with being on the road for a while? No, nothing at all. No. No, just.

I go to him, I can't imagine any other reason to buy a brand. I'm not. I'm not. I just. Like we didn't have more time. I'm starving. I haven't eaten lunch. I had a smoothie early.

You should have taken the Snickers bar off. I've had two mini frozen Snickers bars and that's it. Okay. I had about three bites of a soft pretzel that was terrible and a banana. So, yeah. Okay. Maybe like an early dinner. I'm not opposed to that.

There you go. Respected. Sorry, what was your question? All right. So pre-brand muffin, the conversation we were having is howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lorry are both intense. they have an urgency about them and they have an intensity about them

and I think that's a good thing for the organization there is an expectation of winning they put the team in a position to win almost every year and as a result there is an urgency there's a win now mindset and it's an interesting dynamic at play right now where Nick Siriani also has that intensity and I don't

want to be I don't say I don't say it totally in a negative way but they do they grade on people you know because not everybody's wired exactly that way now it's it's yielded great results. But I do think the volatility that we're seeing this off season,

I do think it reflects to a certain degree you have that many people at the top of the food chain with that much of an intense personality. And Jeff Soutland also has that intense personality. It's also going to be very interesting this year on the offensive staff. Yeah. Because Nick can act like that

with guys who know him and have been through it with him like Kevin Petulow and Jason Michael in these guys. It's going to be a much different situation with guys he's never worked with before. Yeah. And also without Kevin Petulow, who as, you know, as Zach had reported, was like the guy who would, like, jump in when Nick was being too big of an A-hole, right?

So now there's nobody like that. So who does he have on the staff that's kind of like his guy, right, or his guys right now? Yeah. Cole Peterson, like, you know. We don't know about. And Cole's not like, you know, long-tenured. Who is that? Cole Peterson, he's the assistant to the head coach.

Is that his title? There's nobody. I mean, we don't know how that. Jamal Singleton. Okay. Yeah, but him and Jamal. started together in Philly. Kevin Petulow was like a good friend of Nick.

Somebody like, yeah, like a Nick whisper. Who's on the staff that he knew before Philadelphia? Is there anybody at this point? That's crazy. Jason Michael was the last one. And he got replaced today. Is there another head coach in the NFL where if we went through every staff,

you'd be able to say that about? I mean, guys who have been there for a while. I feel like McVeigh, that might be the case. I bet you've got like an assistant wide-outs coach-stashed. Yeah, I know. It's a much different thing. So that sets up a very tough dynamic for him, I feel like, especially now Mannion's got his run game coordinator. Yeah.

Who's the quarterback's? Oh, we don't know. Greg Olson. It's reported by Mike Arifalo that it'll be Greg Olson. Does anybody have a boy? Not your boy, Gregos. They blew it. All the teams.

Ten head coaching hires and Greg Olson doesn't get. Don't you feel like this was the worst cycle of head coach hires you can remember? Some awful hires. Well, there were so many openings. That probably has something to do with that. I know, but like, of the 10, who do you? Who is interesting to you? Yeah.

Minter seems like if I had to pick one that works out. Harbaugh as a head coach I'm interested in, but when you're bringing in Nagy as the O.C. Yeah, yeah. That's it. I think I'm out. I don't know. I would have to go through all of them.

Solid didn't make a whole lot of sense. The floor is like that team, you know, yeah. Halfley, no. Yeah. I don't know. Halfie really has that shot of him. Not exactly a bastion of personality. I mean.

Yeah. Your interview with him was electric, I thought. Yeah, I thought so too. Fireworks on that bad way. It might just be his personality. He's had a good year, but yeah, I don't know. Yeah. All right.

All right, what is this non-football stuff you want to discuss? Oh, I want Shield's opinion on the toothbrush situation. Okay, I have heard that. Wait, you heard about this? His. Oh, yeah, let's know. Actually, yeah, let's clear it out. Just give Bo, just tell Boe, whatever you think about him, you know, about the toothbrush thing.

I'm sure you got something on your mind. Well, I wasn't prepared enough for just coming and rip. And also, Bo is on edge here today, so I don't know. Other times I would want to poke the bear. Yeah, okay. I think he sees the finish line. I actually, we used to do the toothbrush thing you did. Oh, okay.

But we had the case there. We had the case there where you take it off and put it there. Oh, you got to hear about this Lindsay thing. Oh, Lindsay. Yeah. We find out something about Lindsay that's way weirder than anything any of us has ever done. Okay, I look forward to that. No way.

But we had the holder, so you finish the brushing your teeth, you put it in the holder, then it's just the toothbrush with nothing on it, and then when it's your turn, you bring. But then we thought, you know what, we're grown-ups? Yeah. That's true. We can buy another electric toothbrush. Yes, exactly. I don't know how long we did that, but we haven't been doing that for years.

But I actually didn't think that was, like, the weirdest thing I never heard. No, it's pretty strange. Thank you very much. Yeah. Now, his, do you do your toothbrush thing, and then we got to Lindsay's weird thing. Yeah, so when I'm in a hotel room, I've got my toothbrush and its old travel case. It's a tight case. So what I do is I take one of the rinse cups, I rinse with it, and then I put it down, and I, you know, pour it out, obviously.

And I put the toothbrush so it's vertical, so it can dry out in like, you know, it can drip if it needs to and it can dry out. Make sense? That's fine. So, and I'm usually a do not disturb guy. This is an electric toothbrush on the road, too. Yeah, but it's not one that spins. You bring the electric on the road? Yeah, me too.

Cool. Yeah. Get all these fancy. I'm an every man, you know? Listen, if you don't get the bidet on the road, why should you get the electric tooth push? Those two things couldn't be less related. Those two things could not be. They just almost drops on toilet paper on you back there, too.

We were just talking about bidetes. What the timing, incredible. Badees are the tish. Okay. I mean, that guy, bidetes are like putting him out of business. Yeah, sorry. I know. I felt bad.

He's got the show your, you know, no free ads, but yeah. Well, you still need you know You need at least one Well, that's true, a little dab All right, so no, I'm do not disturb usually With the housekeeping I don't need my house I don't need my room cleaned every day

I was out of towel so I flipped it And they came in and they moved all my stuff around They left my toothbrush Bristles down on like a hand towel Okay Can't be doing bristles down, I mean No Your lack of outrage is outraging me

Yeah Well I was trying to picture it bristles down on the hand towel. I'm not putting the towel in my mouth. I don't want my toothbrush to touch the towel. Okay, yeah. They shouldn't have done that. I'm not that grossed.

I'm not grossed out that easy. You're with their slippers in a hotel. I'll walk around barefoot. I'm shocked. You're not team slippers. Generation. Sean looks at me when you said that last night, and he just goes, to America's, I guess.

What does that even mean? Because Sean is team slippers for that. All right, so if you want water from a hotel room and you don't have a bottle on you, you get some from the sink, how do you go about doing it? drink water from the same? Or do you need to rinse.

Oh, if I rinse, I'm just doing, yeah. Rinting your mouth. Yeah. I go, I think I go hand and to the mouth. Yeah. What do you do? Lindsay's going giraffe underneath, mouth straight to the faucet. I don't think that's, there's nothing wrong with that.

No. What do you mean? There's nothing wrong. between that and doing hand. Now, I would be, I would be afraid I would sprain the old neck, you know. Your mouth is going to touch the sink. What's that? Your mouth is going to touch the hotel sink?

No, it's not. You just are getting the water. It's like drinking out of a water fountain. It's too high risk, Sheal. No. It's not that crazy. Oh, my goodness. I have a higher threshold for a minute.

You know, I really thought, like, I'm so excited to talk. Listen, he's some nonsense. He likes Lindsay. He's taking it easy on Lindsay. No, I'm accepting. I used to do that. You know, I used to, I used to take. baths in a very weird way.

I just told my wife about this. Did I tell you this before? No, I don't think so. I don't know if my parents never taught me how to take a bath or what. I would sit crisscross applesauce and just splash myself with water. I don't know how long I did this. Wait, as it's coming out. Yeah, I'm just turning up and I'm splishing.

And that was how I would bathe myself to lie. I don't know how old I was until I got too big when my knees were hitting the side there. And I was just like, I look back at that. I'm like, I'm sure at some point. they taught me how to take a bath. I don't know if it didn't take or what, but criss-cross apples us sitting like this. I'm just sick like this for five minutes,

10 minutes, whatever it was, and then I'm out of there. Wait, so what age were you when you said? That is the story that I needed. Listen, if you think about it, the nethers are getting cleaned well in that setup, right? So you're like right under the faucet? Yeah, I'm right under there.

Right under there. And then the pits aren't smelling at a young age. You're good there. You know, what do you really mean? At what age did you realize? I actually don't know. My parents probably never knew because they're like, oh, and then I would do this. You ever do the fake brush, rebel against dentistry, your parents?

I wasn't a fake brush, but my nephew, I mean, he's a fake brush. I would go in there. She'll be just a water brush as like a in between there. But I would do this. She'll go brush. I don't feel like brushing. Go up. You know what I would do?

Get the toothbrush out. run the faucet, run it under there, oh yeah, I'm brushing, put it away. Guess what, I didn't brush today. And no one knows what me. And that led to many dental issues and much pain over the year. So kids don't do that. If you're listening kids. Those were some of my weird kid things, I would say.

Oh, this is incredible. That's good. If anyone else out there has done the bathtub thing, ring your affiliate gmail.com. There you go. Or leave a comment on the video. that too. How about a Superchat? How about a Super Chat? Yeah, thanks to CDP for the Super Chat

who wants to know if you... Dude, that guy's giving you half of his paycheck every week. What a supporter. You should send him that shirt or something. Unbelievable. Send him a hat. Send him the other hand. Good job by him. All right. Should we go

to now the interview that was teased? Yeah, absolutely. Really interesting insight and a good job by the dogged report. of PHOI to capture the thoughts on Sean Mannion from one of his former teammates. Let's check it out now. I was just going to ask you a couple questions about Sean Mannion, since I know you know him very well.

How well do you feel like he has prepared for this job? Very well. I think he's ready to go. What is it about him? Very bright. He's a good listener. Self-aware. He's a servant.

And I can go on and on. He's as good a backup as I've ever had as far as being an asset to the quarterback, and I think he'll be the same thing for Zailnardt. Anything specific? That was so helpful to you? Just every day, who he was. You know, the constant. It wasn't something he had to force.

He just naturally came out of him to be a supporter, to be intelligent, to be on top of it, to be a step ahead of me. I felt like he was smarter than me. He was a step ahead of me, and that's what you want in your backup. Okay. Thank you, Craig. Appreciate it. Yep, thanks.

There you have it. Good stuff. The joys of Radio Row. How was your guys Waymo last night? I was pleasantly surprised by the Waymo. It feels like a roller coaster at first. I know he's just going to hate this whole conversation.

I thought it was great, yeah. I loved it. Now, it was a little, it was a tough beginning because we didn't know how to open the doors. And, you know, there was a guy yelling at us on the sidewalk. Don't let robots take over your life. Sent a scene. Yeah, there was the stench of, you know.

That was me, by the way. Okay, there was the stench of marijuana was very strong on the street. So it was a little bit, you know, very anxious getting in there. Then we got in, I sat in the front seat. If you stare at the steering wheel, it is a little off-putting.

It took me one block, and I was like, this is great, fantastic. Yeah, she always a quick adopt. No drunk driving, you know, no people. Listen, people, what's safer? That, or all you people out there staring at your phones that I see you on the streets, driving. What's safer? I ask you that.

Now, I'm pro-human. I didn't tell you the end of the story for me. Okay. Which is I'm walking back to the hotel. Okay. And because the Waymo dropped us off at your hotel and I wanted to join for A, the convenience and B for the experience. And you

took a video of me which I sent to the Capadias and great content was the response. So nice job by you. And I haven't done anything to upset the Capadia family on this show. Let's take a brief moment here. Shout out to Naya and Lila. It's been wonderful to get back on good terms with both of them, especially Naya.

I love that we have a shared enemy. Shout out to that shared enemy. Shout out to Naya. Okay. I mean, there was some, yeah. Presumptions? Is that a word? No.

Presumptuous? A little presumptuous. But some of that maybe. I don't know. I'll check back and let you know. I don't know that we're on great terms. I think it's a right track. I think it's a probationary period for me.

Okay. But I'm happy to be going in the right direction. and I'm happy that we found common ground. I'm staying in their good graces. Now, the end of this story, Sheel. Yeah. I got the experience. I enjoyed the experience.

Shout out to Jessica, by the way. Yes, absolutely. And Jesse, my sister. There you go. Shout out everybody. Shout out, Susan. So the end of the story, for me, Sheel, is I got the experience,

and I'm walking back to the hotel, and I walk back, I walk past a handsome man, and I'm going, that guy looks really familiar. I'm pretty sure that thing. guy we had dinner with. I don't know if, are we shouting out the guy we had dinner with? Sean. Sean. Sean? Yeah, which Sean? Not Sean, Syed. Oh, okay. Yeah, so shout out to

Sean. Okay. And I, I wasn't positive it was him. Yeah. And I didn't want to stop a stranger on the street. Oh. But then. So you guys had dinner together and then you just walked right past each other? We did. I thought you were walking with him. I did, but I had already made it back to the hotel. So this is the end of the story. Yeah. I get in the hotel lobby and Bo is in the hotel I'm already in the elevator. And it was slightly faster than me taking the Waymo to your hotel. Yeah, but you took the Waymo to my hotel. If you took the Waymo to your hotel, you would have beat him.

I'm pro walking, generally. That's the only time I've gotten in a car, literally all week, actually. I've walked this city, you know, 20,000 steps a day or whatever it is. I'm going all over a thousand. Yeah, we're going crazy. Get your steps into mind your business, as a wise man once said. Speaking of that, EJ, the question for you, the question for you that I need to pose is how much How much did it hurt you to not be invited on to the Ringers Philly Special this week?

You know, it's funny because when we went to the Ringer-Filly Special meetup a couple months ago, I said to Sheel, you don't have me on any time. You can invite me back. I wouldn't be opposed to hopping on a mailbag like all times for nostalgia's sake. So, no, you know. I got some take stored up, yeah. It's all good. You know, maybe he'll invite me one day.

Well, this wasn't a big Ringer-Filly Special week for us. We just did two episodes. You only did two episodes. Under 40 minutes each. One was reacting to breaking news. The other was Sean Syed repeating his takes that he had on this show earlier in the week. And then I knew I was coming on with you

today, so I thought why would we do the same thing back to back? Just a fact, actually, we have done that in the past at the Super Bowl. And I didn't think it's the audience. So I feel like, why not give a little break? Let something else happen. I got a lot of shows to fill this off season. I'm going to push back a little bit. If this was the other way around,

Screw the audience. I just want to hang out with you. I just want to talk to you. Who organized the dinner? Together? That's fair. That's fair. But, you know, we didn't do the mailbag at the dinner.

Okay, we could have. No. You can't do it right now. You can't do the mailbag. You left behind your mailbag privileges. There's a new mailbag with the different guests. If I do a mailbag for you, I told you I'm not a sports pod polygamist like Sean Siette.

No, you know, you guys, I don't have a commitment. You know? Oh, so I guess my mailbag days are over. Yeah. I've got a- Maybe once a year. Maybe we could, you know, maybe once or ZB. Well, no, ZB is always available.

So I was going to say, if ZB is unavailable, which is literally not a thing that happens. So, yeah, I'm sorry. Your mailback days are over. It's a sad way to end the week. Listen, it hurts. It hurts. It's a tough way down the week.

Just to know that we've been knocked down a puck. I mean, I'll just have Sheel telling us the bathtub story. That'll make up for it. That was very good. All right, that'll do it for this week of the PHAYEGELYGELS podcast. Thank you to everybody for joining us. Should we run down all the guests? No, we should.

Thank you to Nacobo Dean. No thank you to Bounty. No thank you to Bo Jackson's handler. No thank you to a bunch of other gibrones. No thank you to the people in the warehouse. Thank you to the people in warehouse who didn't kill us best. That was very nice. We appreciated that.

Thank you to Jordan Milata. Thank you to Jordan Milata. Yeah. And Jordan Roderick. And Jordan Roderie. And Greg Rosenthal. And Diana Rossini. Yeah.

And most of all, thank you to Christian Ellis and Patrick Johnson. What's your, do you have your like Super Bowl pick out there? Yeah. You want to repeat it? It's the most boring Super Bowl. 2416 Seahawks. Okay. All right.

That's all we got. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, Ben. Thank you, everybody else. We will talk to you on Monday at our normal 2 o'clock time. For Sheal, I'm Beau. That's E.J. As always, we love you.