PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - As Philadelphia Eagles prepare to say goodbye to Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, who replaces them?

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

As the weekend before free agency nears, Eagles fans are holding onto their last moments with Josh Sweat and Milton Williams. Both defensive linemen were major parts of the Eagles’ Super Bowl victory and are likely to cash in on the open market. Our job is to figure out who will replace them. Khalil Mack? Myles Garrett? Anthony Nelson? Some rookies?Join Zach Berman, Bo Wulf and special guest Deniz Selman as they put the finishing touches on Quacketology and react to the latest Eagles news. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the P.HL.Y. Eagles podcast on a Friday afternoon, Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, back in the saddle, joined. After being summoned a day ago, a quick reaction, the professor, Dane is, is here. Professor, how are you? I mean, I've been watching all the shows, but I do have a, like a, like a six cents that when, you know, people start talking smack about Dallas Goddard's impact on the run game, you know, I need to, I need to answer as quickly as possible. I was hoping for an emergency pod last night. but I'll also for this. Now, Professor, we have not spoken to you since the day of the parade.

And so you told us then you were really trying to soak up the post-Super Bowl glow. Of course, you know, you do all that work to prepare for just that situation. You wanted to, you know, let it linger as long as possible. Have you yet made it through the film from the Super Bowl? Or are you still taking it slow? No. I am going so slowly. I'm letting it completely marinate. I'm doing like three or four plays.

You're film gooning. It's just, it's been awesome. And I mentioned this to you, I think, off the air. It took me just this, it took me this long two years ago to get through the Super Bowl 57 for the opposite reason. Like it was too painful. Like I'd watch a few plays. It was too painful.

I'd have to stop. Come back a few days later. And this time, like, I'm just like, wait, I'm going too fast. I don't want it to end. So that's me with the film late at night on my own. And then with Evren, with my son, we've been watching all of the, like, the miced up, the turning point, the various NFL films, things that have been coming out, various highlights. He loves the watching, like, the Devante Smith touchdown in 15 different languages, including the Turkish one, which is awesome. And yeah, so we've been doing all that.

I just watched the Eagles miced up one just before this, and I was like wiping away tears, even though most of it was stuff we'd seem. before. Yeah, it's been awesome. It's just so cool. And we got our big, like, championship banner that says, you know, Super Bowl champions with this year's Super Bowl logo on it right above the stairs. So every time we go downstairs, I'm looking at that. You know, it's just, I could be having the worst day and it just makes me feel better. So this is what it's all about. That's great. Love it. That's what it's all about. I'm glad you're soaking it up. We are 69 hours and about 57 minutes away from the official opening of the tampering period. We're going to be live on Monday for three hours at least from 12 to 3 with Zach Berman and Fran Duffy.

We're looking forward to it. Lots to get to. And Zach, let's start with some news today of some released defensive linemen who could actually potentially be of interest for the Eagles. Yeah, Jonathan Allen from the Washington commanders, a longtime nemesis of the Eagles, someone that they, I know they were. fact quite a bit in that locker room, released after being on the trade market. And so, well, again, a position that's important to the Eagles. I imagine there's going to be a major market for him there, but he is being released. And then one that you actually notified me on once I came onto this link, Harold Landry from the Tennessee Titans.

This was right before the show started. It's going to be released by the Titans also someone they were looking to trade. And we will discuss him. but the Harrow-Landry news is especially interesting because now if he's available via free agency as opposed to the trade market, obviously you don't have to give up anything to get him other than money. He does not go into the compensatory pick formula. So that changes the equation on Harrow-Landry. Harold Landry 28 turns 29 in June.

But two notable moves at the positions that we imagine, the Eagles will priority. if they make additions in free agency. Harold Landry is an interesting one in particular. Now, we are going to finish Quackatology today and crown a champion as the person most likely to be added by the Eagles next week or in the weeks after that. Harold Landry was eliminated in the first round of quacketology by Michael Mayer. However, that was when we considered him a trade candidate. Now that he is released, I do think that maybe we're going to have to throw him back in, Zach.

You mentioned Harold Landry, 6-2-252, as you said, turns 29 in June. He has the last four seasons in 2021, 12 sacks. Then he missed all of 2022 with a torn ACL, 10 and a half sacks in 2023. Nine sacks last season. If you look at just the, you know, my metrics that I love, how often do you hit the quarterback when you are rushing the passer? He's hit the quarterback about 4.4% of the time over the last two years combined. that's in the top end of the league, not elite, but in the sort of DeNeil Hunter, Matthew Judon area.

So certainly would add some juice to the Eagles. And as we have talked about, you know, we see Milton Williams and Josh Sweat on the thumbnail for this episode. The Eagles are going to need somebody there. And anybody who is not qualifying for the Compick formula is automatically a little bit more attractive to them. Sure. And when someone's already been paid, sometimes. their approach and free agency changes, especially as they near 30, they're interested in a contender. I need to see what the contract is to see what type of offsetting language there would be.

Also, if you compare it to like the Bryce Huff signing last year, he's more of a, there's less projection from scheme, right? He's been a stand-up rusher in the past. He's dropped in the past. He's a different type of player than Bryce Huff. He's been more of, I don't want to say three, four, but playing odd man fronts as opposed to Bryce Huff, who was just a designated pass rusher with the Jets. So that's something to keep in mind as well. And also, you don't have to look for it. If you watch, you know, I didn't watch a lot of Titans games this year.

I admit that. But when the Eagles played the Titans in the past, he's given Lane Johnson a tough go at it. And I think Lane would tell you that. So I imagine there's respect in the locker room for Howell Landry. To follow up on Zucks, comment about Harold Landry being someone who could fit the scheme.

I mean, last year, 18% of the pass rush snaps or passing pass down snaps that he played, he was in coverage rather than rushing the passer, including 25% of the ones on first down. So he was definitely asked to drop into coverage a lot. We know that's something that Big Fangio asks his edges to do as well. And these numbers,

I mean, 18% coverage rate on pass downs, that's higher than anyone on the Eagles was asked to do last year. So, I mean, that would not be a concern that he, you know, wouldn't be a fit or like Bryce off, like, wouldn't, you know, get playing time because Fangio doesn't trust him to do those things. He clearly has experience doing them. Not quite Anthony Nelson level numbers, but they're pretty high up there, nevertheless. Okay. I do want to forestall quackatology for a few minutes. First, I want to get some of Danes' thoughts on the things that have happened this week with the Eagles. But let's start with that mic up. Zach, I'm sure you watched it as well. What chum's out to? What was interesting? some more jail and i and i know this clip has been circulating but uh jowland seems like he wanted to run up the score a little bit that was very good it's that fair to say so i thought i thought

that was an interesting was it that or was a concern that it wasn't in the back like i couldn't tell if it was because he was such he was doing the like when it hit zero zero relax thing at the same time sure you think it was just running it up yeah i think he wanted to i think he he wanted to put it on the pedal a little bit more. I also, not just from last night, but from even the original miced up, the NFL Films one, something that I actually didn't put together. I'm sure you guys did. I think I have the exact same thought. Go ahead. The Nick Siriani with the Sacks? Yeah. It's a direct response to the Chiefs from. Okay, so it's interesting way blank. Absolutely. I just put that together originally. The Zero Sacks T-shirts? Yeah. Yeah. And Lane talked about it

And Lane talked about it. Yes, exactly. So it was very much a thing. I had the same reaction, Zach. I didn't really put it together the first time. And it became very obvious in this edit that that's what it was about. Exactly. All right, good.

But now I feel, now I feel like it's not something that I missed on the first time. It was the combination, like you said, of Lane's speech, which when the NFL films thing came out, we actually hadn't seen that Eagles, the unscripted, right? Because the NFL films came out before that. So I just thought, Siri on him just counting sad. about what he does during the game. And there was a little, there was a, when he says the first one, there's a pointed thing that they didn't show in the NFL films one. Yes.

Where he really makes it clear that like, okay, like that's one. Exactly. He almost pokes BG's eye out telling him that it's. Yes. Yes, exactly. Okay. So that it registered to me last night. That's exactly what he was doing.

In the chat, I see the chat is honest. They knew. I didn't put that together the first time. This is very helpful for me to know now. but I didn't realize that the first time. Yes, I think you'd get a better sense of Siriani's in-game mania in the NFL version, in the Eagles version,

as opposed to the NFL version. Like, you really just have unhinged he is during the game in a really endearing way, I think. Let me ask you guys this, too. And I obviously want to hear both of your thoughts on it, but something that came across my mind is, is Bonn was more of a featured character in this one than in the NFL films one.

They waited to release this. Okay, that's what I was wondering. Did they wait until they had the bond contract to release this? There's no way they would have, they would have edited it so that there was less bond if he wasn't on the team anymore, don't you think? I think so, but I actually think this goes back further. I think the decision to mic him up in the first place

kind of made it clear that they were going to try to resign him, right? Because, you know, they didn't mic up Milton Williams and Josh Swet, right? I mean, even in the NFL version, like the choice of the guys they they mic up like it's Sequin as a main star Zach Bonn is like the main guy on defense you know yeah are the Eagles the ones who decide that for the Super Bowl though isn't that NFL films kind of deciding that stuff that's a good question I have no idea it's in conjunction with the Eagles but the Eagles version obviously the Eagles entertainment crews putting that one out and then that

and they did a great job but it did seem like there was they leaned in the bond a lot more and I don't know if it's simply because from the NFL films perspective, maybe Bonn isn't as compelling. But it struck me the timing of it. Like, it did seem like an odd time they put it out last night. They've been sitting on this footage. You know, I think the offices were closed for a week before the combine, or I shouldn't say the office were closed.

I think a lot of people were out. Something like this takes a lot of bandwidth to put together. But the Thursday night before free agency struck me as kind of an odd time on it. So I wondered if they were waiting for Bonn because Bonn was so featured. One thing that occurred to me watching that is like, you know, there's a lot of the Kobe in there. And you do get a sense of like how fiery of a leader he is. And just the, it's going to be like a little bit awkward when he comes back, right? By the time he comes back midseason, you know, it's, it's Zach Bond's defense.

He's the one leading the huddle. He's going to have the green dot. Like it's going to be a slightly different dynamic there. I'm sure it will be fine. But it will be a bit of a flip on the way that they played when they were together in 2024. for i can jump in real quick here in that it's a great point because devante is such a has such a strong personality again and you heard this when he got drafted but you saw this i was watching yesterday i watched the mic'd up from the jack or the miced up from the jacksonville game and and

nicobe was micd up there and he does have that alpha personality that comes through quite a bit i can't see nicobe taking a back seat now zach bonn's the featured player but i wonder if Bonn would be even deferential to Dean when Dean comes back? I don't know. I mean, by the time he comes back, Bonn will have already been leading that huddle for most of the season. He will have been the green dot. I don't think he's going to hand it over, right? He's the guy that paid $17 million. The other guy's going to be on the final year of his rookie deal.

Yeah. To me and either of these guys seems like the kind of personality where this is going to be turned into like a conflict. I don't expect. Yeah, absolutely. But I hear what you're saying. Yeah, yeah. I like the moment. Nicopi had that, like, leader role coming in, right? Just the vocal of it.

Like, even, you know, even Bond's pregame speeches. Like, I love y'all boys. Like, just very nice. I think maybe that's a callback to our shows, but, you know, it's good on less. I like when he was with his, with his wife, he's just like, an interception of the Super Bowl. I can't believe it. It's so cool.

I thought that was really cool, too, especially because he's not the kind of player who you normally think of was thinking about his own stats and his own, like, accomplishments. But, like, he doesn't have the career that Jalen's had to be able to be like, I don't care about MVP, I'm a champion. Like, he, like, can't believe he's even playing in the Super Bowl, let alone getting interceptions. What were your other favorite moments, professor?

Oh, I mean, I liked how this one had a couple more moments of, like, they just can't F with us, right? Like, that wasn't in the NFL films one. the like when uh bond goes over to cj usoma and i mean i can't believe he didn't ask him about the deal he got at wannamakers uh the week before but uh yeah when he when he's just like yeah these guys just scanned up with us like i i thought that was awesome like how confident everybody was that like it was just such a mismatch what i loved about that one was after the chiefs finally scored a touchdown he's like well that was a fluke they got lucky yeah yeah they got lucky it's like it's like

He was 40. He's like, they got lucky. Like, which is good. Yeah, yeah. That was a good sense of how lopsided it was. Zach, anything else from you on that before we move on? Not at the moment, no. Okay.

Are you guys hearing anything behind the scenes about when they expect Nikobi back? Because, you know, we were talking about, like, addressing that position. Yeah. You know, it seems like Horrid Berks should be fine if they just bring him back. But I'm just curious. Are we talking like week five? are we talking more like week 12, you know?

Yeah, this is one of those where I think you need to get closer to the landmark because I spoke to Nicopi about this. And Nkobi, like, sounded confident he was going to be back. But I think that's just the nature of Nkobo Dean, right? And this is one of those you see where he is come training camp. I heard him on a podcast. I forget which one. I apologize.

But he was talking about how his kneecap was like up in his thigh area. when he's on the field. Yeah. It's a devastating injury. But he's also, he's, you know, like he was in Las Vegas. Like he's been, he's been around. So I don't know. I don't know what the definitive timeline is.

I think the Eagles need to operate as if he's not going to be there for the start of the season. And they need to have a reliable number two linebacker who can become the number three when Nacobi's back. Well, I want to talk to you about this, Danes, because let's start with Bonn because you and I just texting off the show. I know you are a big Bond fan and even sort of bristled at the notion that there would be a choice between Bonn and Milton Williams as to who was more valuable for the defense last season. But when you watch Bonn, we talked to Fran about this as well, but what was so difference making from him in terms of changing the structure of this defense as. as opposed to every other Eagles linebacker you've seen besides Christian Ellis. Yeah, who knows what Christian Ellis would have done with Fangio, right?

We will never know. But I think one of the things that I thought about with Bonn was early in the year, we were saying, we didn't really know who he was, right? We were just kind of surprised that he was playing. And one of our first impressions of him, he played very well in the game in Brazil, but one of our first impressions of him was him getting cut constantly on those outside zone runs by the Falcons, right? like the right guard just kept climbing to him, cutting him. And it was like, ooh,

like I don't know if this is going to work. You know, like if we have this undersized guy, you can't get off those blocks. And then it's just crazy. I was just thinking like, like that never happened again. You know what I mean? Like, like nothing close to that ever happened again.

I mean, it happened like 10 times in that game. And then it basically never happened again. And Tangio said like, he'll learn from that. He hasn't ever seen that really. And it was such a good reminder that like he hadn't played this position before. Like it made a lot of sense that he hadn't seen that, that he didn't know how to deal with that,

and that he was able to learn it so quickly. But, like, France talked about a lot. I've talked about a lot, like the versatility of him being able to line up on the edge and, you know, have everybody else stuck inside, allowing you to play a five-man front without bringing on Jordan Davis, basically, right? Like, without bringing on that extra defensive tackle and taking off one of your best defensive players in Cooper DeGene, which is what was happening before Cooper DeGene was playing. Now, Fran pointed out correctly the other day that that's only a handful of plays a game.

But I think that those plays, even though it's a small number of plays, with the same continuity of the players playing, makes everything else so easy. I'm blanking on who it was who was saying this. I think it might have been Slay, who was saying it earlier in the year. And I apologize if I misremember who it was. But they were talking about the value of the continuity of the personnel on the field in terms of the rules and the coverages, right? And we know that this defense, I know the pass rush was huge in the Super Bowl, but all year, this defense was good because of the coverage, right? The ability to match routes, the ability to follow rules in zone coverages. And those rules change when you switch from nickel

to base, right? Those rules change completely when you take the nickel off the field and you're asking somebody else to do that job. And Bond's versatility, along with Guper deGene's versatility, allowed for that to happen. And then, sorry, I'm just, like, rambling here because I, like, just, like, loved watching Sank Bond all year. But in the Super Bowl, when he got that interception, after the game, in the presser, he said, you know, I felt the route behind me.

And I'm so glad he said that on that stage, because all year watching the film, like, it seemed like he had eyes in the back of his head. I mean, just his ability to feel the routes behind him and understand where he had to be to undercut those routes was uncanny. and I'm comparing it to last year's linebackers who couldn't see the routes in front of them. It's like they didn't seem to have eyes anywhere.

For him to be able to see the routes in front of them and behind him at the same time was just crazy. And of course, that lets you, you know, that lets you not have to blitz because you trust the coverage can hold up for longer. And we saw how that, you know, really bore fruit in the bore fruit? That's not right.

In the Super Bowl. Yeah. Two quick things to add to that. first being you are right regarding him getting the cut blocks against Atlanta. And a big thing, I was going through with the New Orleans game this week. And Nick Siriani, he was like really impassioned in that post-game press conference. And one of the things he was harping on is he's like, and you didn't see Zach Bond get cut once today, right? Because that was a big point of emphasis from that Atlanta game to that New Orleans game. And then to the second point about the difference between the way the linebackers played this year and last year, one thing I kept hearing behind the scene, sometimes this can get overstated.

But I think in this case, it did matter is that Bobby King was like a really strong inside linebackers coach. And it goes to speak to the difference between the coaching staff in 23 and in 24 and that there were a lot of like everyone needs to get a first chance. It's what we talked about with Patoa. but that entire defensive staff or most of that defensive staff was inexperienced in 23. They were very experienced this year. And Bobby King is someone who had never worked for Vic Fangio before. He was one of the few guys on the staff who didn't have a Fangio connection. And Fangio spoke this year about like how he took the King right away in that coaching room.

Are you guys as surprised as I am that this defensive coaching staff is going to stay intact? I mean, it was the number one defense in the league, won the Super Bowl, a bunch of young assistants that everybody talks about how great they are. I was, I'm like, I mean, it's not great for them, maybe, but I'm very happy as an Eagles fan that they're all going to be back next year, it seems. I'll jump in quick, and then I'm curious what both things. I'm not surprised because I think when you go to the Super Bowl and you win a Super Bowl, it actually hurts your position coaches.

for promotions. Like, teams are typically waiting for head coaches, but they don't often wait for coordinators. And it'd be one thing of Kellan Moore brought him with, brought a defensive coach with him. But typically, even when Eagles went to the Super Bowl the past two times, the only, you know, they did lose John D. Filippo to offensive coordinator in Minnesota, which I think Phillips contract was up actually at the time, too. So that might have factored into it.

But otherwise, a few years. a few years ago, they only lost like the guys Gannon took with him. And it wasn't like their whole staff was pill for promotions elsewhere. Yeah, I think we will see that happen next offseason. It's basically my guess there. As the Eagles try to fill out that lineback in core, because as Zach has told us, you know, if they didn't bring back Zach Bonn, they didn't really have anybody

and knowing that Nacobie Dean will not be ready for week one, presumably, what are the types of players without getting into specific guys themselves who you think would make sense in this defense and whatever the next iteration of Vic Fangio's unit is? Yeah, well, I think the nice thing about this is that Zach Bond being flexible is probably like the only flexibility you really need, right? Like I think the other guy can be just like a regular offball linebacker like an Orrin Berks. I mean, like basically what Nicky-Den was, right? Or is.

I don't think you need a special kind of linebacker there. Now, someone who can cover enough that they're not going to be a liability matters. But we thought maybe, you know, Orrin Berks would be that liability. And he wasn't, at least in the limited games that we saw. So I think Fangio can make it work with anyone who's Orrin Burke's level, basically. And I don't think you need extra flexibility from that guy. Flexibility on the defensive line, maybe, for a guy who can tuck inside and play. like the way that BG was doing might be more important than flexibility with the second linebacker spot.

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We should address before we get going on Quacketology, the super chat from Defop Claire, who says she has an important question, and the chat has been going back and forth on this throughout this episode. Zach, bacon or sausage? I got to be honest with you. I'm not big on either of them. I know that might upset the chat. I didn't grow up a big breakfast food guy, and even now, you know, I was out, you know, a bow and I like this place, Cafe Patachoo in Indianapolis, and you have to choose between bacon, sausage or ham and I went ham. So I'm not a huge

bacon or sausage. I mean, if I had to choose one of those, I suppose bacon, I don't like sausage. So bacon on a sandwich, but I'm not really a big bacon person if I'm being completely honest with you. Dennis? I need to know what kind of bacon

and what kind of sausage we're talking. I mean, I love bacon and sausage, but I mean, like, you know, There's so many varieties of both that if we're talking like on a pizza, you know, are we talking next to pancakes, like patty's, links? Like, what are we talking? Yeah, I think I agree that there's a lot of nuance to this answer. I would say more often than not I'm leaning bacon. But, you know, on an egg McMuffin, you know, give me that sausage patty all day.

long. Right. So if you, exactly. If you need, if you need the, like, if you need it to be like a real meat, right, then you got to go with the sausage. Sure, but give me a side, a side piece of, you know, two strips of nice, uh, crunchy bacon. I'm feeling very good. Crunchy is key. Crispy is key. I think like the bacon. So I don't, I'm not a fan of Canadian bacon, for example. Like that would be like a, yeah, that would be like an example. If you're, if you, if you are holding out your bacon and it flops down, that that's, that's not good enough. Yeah, then, then, then give me the sausage any day. or just give me a piece of ham at that point.

But yeah. Yeah, there we go. Okay. Another super chat comes in from Bort, who says ZB, Pecknest Migrate, a good food city, being excited for the show, and a shower after a hot day at training camp. Probably sequentially in that order. So I would peck a good food city. I love the travel, but I love being home more. so I would rather be at home than traveling.

I would definitely nest being excited for the show. If you're not excited about going to work every day, that's a problem. And then migrate. I do like a shower after a hot day at training camp, but I guess I can get by with that. I would much rather go to a good food city and especially being excited for the show. Well, I guess in theory, pecking a good shower after training camp is not going to do much for you. It's just one day you get to shower.

Yes, exactly. Okay, there you go. All right, let's get into it. Quakitology. Now, if you listen to the very end of yesterday's episode, boy, did I get the matchups in quagotology wrong? Totally messed up my color coding, but we did go back to the tape. We got it correct. And so the Sweet 16, we begin in the Edge region with Khalil Mack against Joseph Osai.

Kaleel Mack against Joseph Osai. Now, here's one of the complications for Khalil Mack that, we have to keep in mind, Zach, is the Chargers have like $100 million in cap space. Sure. Like I think the second most in the league, second or third most in the league. And so having just released Joey Bosa, are they really going to let Khalil Matt go? It's a good question. It's one I was wondering as well.

I do know they're a big contender for D.K. Metcalfe. That's something you're hearing. So there might be a reallocation of resources getting younger. But, you know, Kalil Mack decided to return this year and decide to return to the Chargers. Now, it's a different coaching staff than the group that acquired him. When they brought in Kalil Mack, Brandon Staley was there. Brandon Staley had a background with him from the Bears. But, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of smoke there about Kalil Mack becoming available,

but he's not available at this point. Okay, whereas Joseph Osai would obviously be a much different type of addition that would be maybe saving room for a bigger ticket addition later on, adding a young guy with some upside to the pipeline, but would not be the be-all-end-all there. Janice, how do you feel here? I mean, Khalil Mack is 34. Joseph Osai is 24, right?

It's a very different, Joseph'sai is very young. I can't, all I can think about with Joseph Assay is his penalty in the AFC championship game. I know he's done other things. A poor guy. Wait, my incorrect is, is Kalil Mack a free agent, though? I'm seeing conflicting things. He is unrestricted, right?

Yes. Okay, yeah. So, but you're thinking the charge would resign him. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. But, I mean, they let him get to do.

They let him get the free agency. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What kind of do you think there's any thought that losing, I don't know, Josh Sweat is going to make them want a veteran? You know what I mean? Like, is there going to be like a veteran young guy discussion in terms of the balance?

I know, Zach, you talked about how Fletcher Cox and Jason Kelsey leaving the locker room. kind of gave some of the leadership to the younger players and getting younger was part of the reason that this team was closer. Is there going to be, I know the CJGJ thing with the vet was a big issue, was a topic yesterday. Do you think there's any kind of thoughts inside the building one way or the other about whether to go for veterans in free agency? Yeah, I actually don't think that's going to be the priority is like looking for the veteran. I think they feel they have a strong locker room. I think this is just going to be about good players at the right price, compic formula being involved.

So, no, look, I understand the leadership topic, but I think that they view it, they're getting bond back. I think Dean's a leader. You know, Jaylen Carter needs to step into, you know, that type of role. Nolan Smith, someone who's well regarded in that area. So there's, yeah, I think there's almost a passing of the baton.

if you will, from some of the leadership component of it. I don't think they would force a veteran. But of these two, I actually think Khalil Max most likely because I think Khalil Mack could make more of a difference on next year's roster than Joseph Aside. I think Joseph Assize a bit more projection. I know the age profile is more attractive, but I think the Eagles really like Jalick's Hunt. Everything I've heard is they really like Jalick's Hunt.

And so I think that it's kind of looking for a guy to be on the team for a year or two years. than as opposed to kind of looking for that core piece. I think the better leadership thing, when you're coming to a team that just won the Super Bowl, it sort of solves itself, right? Like, either you fit in or not. I don't think you're, like, taking over the culture in that standpoint. But I do think it's a consideration for them.

You know, Vinny talks about this all the time, about, like, the specific types of players they want in that building. And it's why having the touchpoint of Vic Fangio having coached him for a year probably matters to some degree. I think sometimes we can play that game too much of like looking for the connections. But when you're thinking about, okay, we're going to bring this 34 year old into a team with a bunch of young, like he's going to be the only guy on defense over 28 years old. How is that going to fit? That's when, you know, Vic Fangio's insight might have something to say, although something tells me that Vic Fangio probably cares a little bit less about the personality clash

and more about the guy just being really good. Yeah, and I think that they would probably embrace, I think they would embrace ring chasers more than like money chasers, right, in the sense that I think they're more interested in a guy who's still playing because he wants to get a ring or he wants to enhance his legacy as opposed to someone who's just like, you know, I can collect a paycheck for a year playing football, pays better than not playing football. And so that's more, I think, the research they do for older guys because you see a little bit of both. And I think, I think someone like Cleo Max probably of the ring chasing variety at this point.

Now, the thing that might make it less likely on Kalilamak is, I mean, Kulamak is going to get paid, right? He's going to get a significant contract. And so if you're thinking about the compic formula, because he is a UFA, he's probably not going to get Milton Williams money. It might get similar to Josh Swett money. I think so. Just on a compic qualifying basis, if he's the one guy they bring in, then I think you're looking at, okay, maybe we still get that late third from Milton Williams, but maybe we're

not going to get that fourth from Josh Swet. We would get the, you know, maybe Mikai Bechten ends up being a fourth, too, if he leaves. but we're not going to get a third and a fourth like we would if we sign a guy for $8 million or whatever. And I know they care a lot about the compacts, but do you think that that opportunity cost of a fourth rounder probably in a year and a half? Not a bit of Calil Mack. Make them not get Khalil Mack. Yeah, I mean, it just seems like, I don't know, maybe the name's bigger than what his projection is at this point. But to be fair, his his production did drop a little bit last year.

So there is there's a possibility that he is close to close to the cliff, as it were. So let me ask you, what's Joseph Assai's role on the defense? Is he like, is he a part of the core going forward? Is it what kind of contract that, you know, is Joseph aside? Because when we talked about, or I should say, when I've talked about Baron Browning or Tommy Trembal, I look at them as like one year rebuild their value guys, probably similar to what Zach Vaughn was last year. are we talking about Joseph Osai from that perspective, like a bond signing last year.

You signed him for a one-year deal. He's a fit. If it works out for him, he gets more money next year. Or are we talking about this? I don't want to say Bryce Huff, but as someone you're looking at as part of your core for the next, you know, two to three years. Well, what's funny, you mentioned Bryce Huff.

Bryce Huff and Joseph Osai exactly next to each other on hitting the quarterback per pass rush over the past two seasons. 5.2% the exact same on a very similar amount of rushes. To me, Joseph Osai, given the age, he's probably a two-year commitment, but for not a ton of money, unless he would rather get a middling one-year deal to rebuild his value and go up, and he's still going to be 25, 26 next year. So that might be more lucrative to him. Yeah, I think his role of the team is Felix Hunt from this year.

He's in terms of like he's the third by the end of the season, the third at Russia. Yeah, he played he played 343 snaps last year So that's you know more comparable to what Nolan Smith played here than it is to I think Vigal would be to draft to draft that type I think if Eagles are signing someone I think they're signing someone to be a contributor On this defense while you know to allow J. Alex Hunt to develop a little bit more to kind of take that sweat role for that

So like I think you're looking for the sweat replacement for this season and I don't think they're thinking of like two to five now if Khalil Mack wanted a deal that stretches beyond that, I think the Eagles would not be as interested in them. But I think I think the Eagles would be interested in someone to fill that Josh Sweat role right now. And you sounded confident, Zach, that we're also talking about replacing BG snaps, right? I'm not confident in that, but I think, you know, I feel more confident in that now than I did before the Super Bowl. Okay. Yeah. All right, let's move. Khalil Mack on.

Okay. Next up, Anthony Nelson or Aziz Zogilari? Now, this is to your point, Aziz O'Jolari would be a player who would require a multi-year commitment, would be a more substantial part of the core moving forward, whereas Anthony Nelson would be more of the one-year Band-Aid type who can do a lot of different things. He's 28, right? He's not that old.

No, he's not that old. Yeah. You don't have to sell me on my man. No, no, no. I'm going Nelson, too. I mean, I don't know if I'm quite as big a fan of his film as you are, but Anthony Nelson is one of those guys who I've watched maybe more film of than I would have won.

You would have liked to, yeah. Well, just because we played Tampa Bay, like, all the time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And especially when this year. Yeah, I'm in the playoffs. Like, I go back and watch, like, multiple games. So, yeah, I've watched a lot of Anthony Nelson. Yeah, it would fit in fine, I think, would be good.

I don't know if Ojolari's ever going to be good. I mean, you know, like, that's, like, That's one of those things where you're just like. So I disagree on O'Jolari. I think he is going to be good. And I think he'll be better at his next play. You know, I think the Giants are going to regret losing him. I think the Giants should have traded him at the deadline.

But the way I view this is I had a piece out on Monday, my 25-step guide, if I were Howie Roseman. And I framed Azizio Jolari as if you don't keep Zach Bond, where do you pivot? And I thought you pivot to like the $10 million dollar edge rusher and like the $7 million linebacker, right, just to use the $17 million there. I thought that's kind of the way they would do it. I think now that they signed bond, unless you're talking about your veteran type, Harrow Landry and Khalil Mack would fit in that category.

But I don't think they're looking to make that Bryce Huff types, you know, that 25-year-old signing who's going to be part of this core for the next three years. I think they're more apt to draft that guy than they are signed that guy right now. I agree. Anthony Nelson moves on. Next up. Your boy, Zach, Baron Browning, going up against Jaron Reed. Now, first of all, in Jaron Reed, this is such a deep class of defensive tackles, both in the draft and free agency. It's a place where you can really get guys.

I don't know if they like the player as much as his numbers indicate, but to me, that is like precisely the kind of player that they might add. in free agency is a veteran defensive tackle who can take some snaps, just be a backup for, like I think Ajima is probably ready to be the, you know, the third down defensive tackle next to Jalen Carter and we'll see what what Jordan Davis does, but they probably want one other guy there. I think Jerry Reid makes sense to me. Baron Browning is they need another linebacker. I don't know what they think of Baron Browning. Yeah, I'm sticking with Browning here from the versatility perspective.

I think that role that they saw Bonin last year is a role that they want to have on this defense. That versatile piece is someone that they want to have on this defense who can help you in multiple spots. I hear what you're saying regarding Jaron Reed, but it is, I also think it is such a deep class that I don't think it's like you need to go target Jaron Reed. Do you need to go target a, what I see, 32? Yeah, a 32-year-old defensive tackle. I don't think they're going to sign a defensive tackle on the first day of agency. I think this is, it's a pretty good group of like veteran free agent defensive tackles. I think this is one where if he's there a week in, we'd love to have him.

Yeah. Yeah, I think that in terms of the need of defensive tackle, I think the big question is, are they interested in insurance for a Jalen Carter injury, right? Because Jalen Carter plays so many of the defensive tackle snaps that you need. like he plays about what around 40% of the total defensive tackle snaps that you need right like he plays about 80 you know between 80 and 90% just by himself which means that when he's playing like you really only need to fill like one defensive tackle spot we talked about how little base they played last year I think that's going to continue next year where they're going to want to continue to have cooper de jean on the field and not play a lot of three defensive tackle snaps which means that morrow I Uh-jima, remember, he was out snapping Milton Williams on late passing downs for the first month of the season. I was coming on the show, like, you know, counting those stats, counting those snaps, and no one really cared because Milton Williams wasn't this like guy that people thought would make $20 million the next year. But, I mean, he and Mora Adjima were playing comparable snaps for, for decent chunks of the season.

I think Ujima is totally ready to step up. And I, you know, from what a bunch of Zach and others have said about what they're saying about him, seems like that's the case. So, yeah, I agree that you don't need to bring in a guy on the first day who's going to play a lot of snaps. You basically need a guy to replace the snaps that Mara Ujima was playing this year. And Moro Ujima can replace Milton Williams, right? Now, I'm going to throw someone else into the mix here.

I was having a back and forth with WandaBGM on Blue Sky, who was stumping for Jack Sanborn, the former Wisconsin lineback, former teammate of Zach Bonn, who was the The third linebacker in Chicago last season, and obviously they pay a lot of money to those other two linebackers. And he was a scheduled to be a restricted free agent. Bears are not tendering him, which would be like $3.5 million, making the case here that Sanborn better suited at both linebacker and edge

than Baron Browning brings some real thump in the running game and is willing at least in coverage on the edge. It would not be a great coverage middle linebacker, in terms of a potential answer for what happens until Nicole Dean comes back, likes him a lot more than Baron Browning. I'm okay to just to just hot shot Jack Sandborn in. Well, so I will add this as much as I have an affinity for Baron Browning, and that is pretty clear.

I've been on record stating that. I think the big difference between Baron Browning and Zach Bond last year, just from a profile perspective is Baron Browning has not been a special teams contributor in his career. Whereas when they signed Orrin Berks, Orrin Berks was a major special teams contributor. Jack Sanborn is a major special teams contributor. I believe he played 80% of the special team snaps last year, thereabouts for Chicago. So for that profile, or I actually don't even think Sanborn would be in the profile I was using.

for Zach Bond signing last year. He's of the Orrin Burke signing last year. He would be your Orrin Burke's replacement. Is your third linebacker who can contribute on special teams? I can see Sanborn there. Well, Baron Browning didn't play any inside lineback last year. I mean, he played. No, I know that.

But his rookie year with Vic Fangio, he played 60% of the snaps as an inside. Oh, right, right. That's right. Yeah, you guys are saying that. Yeah, that's, that's. So you're saying that he might prefer him to an Orin Burke's. No, I'm saying... Based on what he's taught before.

I'm saying Sanborn can fill the Orenberg's role as your third linebacker. It's a different type of signing. It's a different sign. Yeah, I got you. Browning to me is what Bonn was last year, which was he can help you as a pass rusher. He can help you off ball. Like, he's the Van Ginkle. I think the difference is, I think the difference between, I mean, there's a lot of differences.

But you already have Bond because Bond was like a one in a million type result. But it was speculative. He had never been asked to play middle linebacker, whereas Browning did. Yeah. The league watched him for a year and then never asked him to do it again. Yeah. Well, the coaching staff. It's not exactly the best of the best in terms of the defensive staff that he's playing for right now.

Yeah. I would push back on like the league didn't watch him and say that. Vance Joseph watched him and said that, right? Like that's, it was that Denver coaching staff. If he was a starter in Denver, he was so, so it's done as if he was available for 32 teams to sign and everyone was, was like he's not an inside backer. No, so it was the coaching staff they had there. And he was, like he went into this past year as like, thought to be an emerging edge rusher. And it just didn't work out.

And, you know, Nick Benito and some other guys played better. All right. I'm doing it. Jack Sandborn moves to the elite age. What a move. There we go. Nobody saw that coming. That's good booking.

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All right. We don't have to interrupt the quacketology, but at the end of the show, I do have an NFL front office that I want to take the task. What a tease. Yes. are they sub-stifler level in your eyes? I was just going to ask the same thing. No, it's not quite at the Giants last year. I'll just say it now.

And it'll be 45 seconds, okay? That's all it is. But the Seattle Seahawks are upset that D.K. Metcalfe's trade request came on Tyler Lockett Day, a day that they wanted to be about, did you see this? They're really, the Seahawks are upset because they released Tyler Lockett and they was like, they were talking up how much he meant to the organization. And then the DK Metcalf trade release got leaked. And this is something that like the Seahawks are upset about. And I got to say, the Seahawks fired Tyler Lockett. And the Tyler Lockett day is essentially just like a graphic on social media we're talking about here.

Like if you love Tyler Lockett this much, you're not like, you fight. hired the guy. All right? You don't get it. With Stacy's day, at least it was a guy who was coming in, right? Exactly. I'm not giving you your flowers for releasing him and putting out a nice graphic. And then you're upset that the other wide receiver stole the news cycle.

Okay? Because like to me, yeah, if you, I don't know if you guys saw this. I don't know if the audience saw this. I didn't see this. And I'm like, come on. You know, this is, I also don't like. don't like it when teams complain about leaked stuff from players, because teams are always leaking stuff, right?

So it's like you can't have it both ways. So they don't like that this trade request was leaked on Tyler Lockett Day. And I actually think John Snyder went on record saying that. And like you released the guy. You fired him, basically. You don't get your flowers for putting out a social media graphic. I think that's a good take. Thank you. Thank you. I saw that this morning and I'm like it's like my favorite of the of the off season is still the bucks.

Leo manh going won't answer his phone. He's ghosting us. He's not answering his phone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Benjamin's Angeles show star goes up against Malik Harrison. Where do you guys land? Malik Harrison for the I'm I still I know you guys. I know you guys. rejected my Baron Browning type, but I think Malik Harris, I do think the Eagles are going to look for that type of player. And Malik Harrison, by the way, has been a major special teams contributor. So he's someone who actually probably, you know, from a fit perspective, if you're looking at that the role that the Eagles signed bond the play last year, Malick Harrison would make sense

in that role. Yes, for the reasons that Fran told us St. Juist, not not not a great fit. Now, we were talking before the show, Danes, you asked about Rasul Douglas, who I thought was in the bracket, and actually wasn't in the bracket, is more of a zone corner, would fit schematically. My understanding is the bills are trying to bring him back,

but I could be wrong about that. Yeah, yeah. He's also... I mean, Russell, Russell Douglas is a guy who has been good, and he would fit the scheme well. I mean, he's always been a good zone corner, so, you know, he's also, like, obviously big and a good tackler and all those things. So,

he would excite me more than St. Joust, but maybe I don't know how much of that is nostalgia and how much of it is being rational here. But, well, I mean, I don't know, St. Juice, maybe it's like his games against the Eagles or something, but he doesn't seem like a guy who would be all that valuable to the guys you have already. Now, here's a question. Zach, how many turkeys on sleigh coming back? I'm putting like 15 turkeys on Slay coming back. I think Slay's

Okay, that's higher than I thought. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think Slay's getting paid somewhere else. And then how many turkeys on? I thought you were going to say like three or something. And what about on Isaiah Rogers coming back? Oh, I would put much more. I put 60 turkeys on Isaiah Rogers coming back.

I don't think Isaiah Rogers is going to have this robust market that we were talking about when we did, when we were talking about him earlier this week. I don't know if he played enough to like really jump to where the league saying he's going to be a starting cornerback here next year. Yeah. I see, I think the outside corner opposite to Quinyon Mitchell is very, very important, right? Because that guy is going to get a lot of targets next year. Like Quineon Mitchell is a guy who even as a rookie and with Slay playing on the other side, there were games where people just weren't throwing to his side. That's going to happen even more next year if things go normally.

and that means that it's very important who that other guy is. I personally am okay with Isaiah Rogers and Keeley-Ringo, like the better of those two in camp being the starter on that side. And so I don't know if I'd go out of my way to sign a guy like the St. Chust, but I was curious, like, what you thought the odds were of those guys coming back. Where do you stand on Cooper the Gene on the outside? I would not move him to the outside for, like, regular nickel snaps. I mean, I would keep him on the inside.

And then we've talked about how little base of Fangio played after Degine started playing. Now, that could change due to circumstances and the way teams play against the Eagles or due to who the other corner is or whatever else. So there could be more base than there was this year. But I would certainly not move Dijin away. I think like one of the biggest advantages of keeping Vaugh and Degine is how well they work together as the under three. We talked about how much quarters Fangio played. And what quarters means is basically the two linebackers and the gene are working together to cover a very large part of the underneath part of that field, whereas the outside corner is playing, it has a completely different role in that coverage. So I would keep the gene there because he's already shown that he's so good at it, not to mention his flexibility playing on the edge as the fifth defensive lineman, which is crazy to say for a nickelback.

But he did that a handful of times and he did it just fine. and then his ability to stop the run as well. So I would definitely keep the gene on the inside. I think with Isaiah Rogers, now listen, the idea of when he's in the game, they're going to throw at him, that's exactly what happened when he came into the game this year for Dariuslay,

and he pretty much always acquitted himself well. I think there's a known quantity there for the Eagles. I think it does make sense to let him in Ringo, you know, fight it out and whoever wins, you know, that's great. but I do think it is worth noting that as much carryover as there is going to be on defense, and this is the best defense in football, it is like it's a weak link system, right? And so if the defense is going to struggle, the idea that they don't have a good enough second corner is one way that they could struggle. It could hamstring everything.

One thing I just want to reinforce here is, you know, Harry Rosbyn doesn't tell you his plan. of course, but there are certain things that he tries to signal in his in his public messaging. And the amount of times he kept saying that they need their young guys to play this year was not an accident. I think that there are all these spots that we're talking about on defense, where you where obviously Ojima, but J-Ox Hunt, Keeley Ringo. I think there's another. I think they, they are, I don't want to say sink or swim with these guys, but I don't think they're going to block. lock Keeley Ringo from getting a chance to compete for his starting job next year. I feel strongly about that.

Thank you for watching on Fast. We will continue this conversation on all-PHly.com. With Isaiah Rogers, one thing is when he did lose, he lost at the catch point while he was in close coverage. And I feel like that's almost like a little bit more fluky than if he was just getting beat. You know what I mean? Like he seemed to be near the guy he was covering every time they threw at him. sometimes he just somehow lost the ball at the catch point, ball went through his hand, you know what I mean, like stuff like that happened,

but guys just stole the ball from him one time, you know, that kind of thing. But I haven't seen that consistently enough from Keely Ringo to be confident, but if they're saying that in the building, then, you know, maybe. Well, I would just say Vic Fangio has made it clear that he likes to say Rogers more than Keely Ringo, right? So this could be one. Yeah, or liked him more. Yeah, or liked him more. Yeah, I think this could be one more front office,

first coach, I don't want to say front office first coaching staff, but, I mean, how we traded a third round pick for Keely Ringo. They're, you know, how Keely Ringo was one, was, was one of the youngest players in that draft. So I think there is an organizational investment in Kili Ringo. Yeah. I mean, Kili Ringo is like a full year younger than Quinnionette Mitchell. Yeah. Yeah.

For context sake. Like, I think they are, I think they are still very bullish on him in the building. Yeah. I think they point to his special team snaps from this year as being indicative. of the kinds of things they're asking him to do at corner. I think they like him a lot. And his answers to both questions at the Super Bowl made me even more bullish on him, like the level of detail that he remembered from those games.

Yeah. All right. We move to offense. Jedrick Wills, the Mackay Beckton Pipeline, of moving a early first round pick from tackle to guard, or Rahim Mostert bring back the old man to compete with Will Shipley? I guess Jethrick Wills, because I don't know how much they're going to be running, to sign a running back, especially an older running back.

I think there's a chance Jettrick Wills gets a starting job somewhere else. But if you wanted to go to Jeff Stoutland University here, I do think it is a real thing in the league that if you're in a talented offensive lineman, you can come to Philly and rebuild your value. I think that is clear not just from the player side. I think that's abundantly clear from the agent side. And I think there are agents who will advise their players. if this isn't a good situation for you, go to Philly, work with Jeff Stathland.

That's good insight. And it's actually part of the reason why you could be convinced to not resign Mackay Bechton because you have signaled this to the rest of the league that this is a good place to come rebuild your value. Yeah. And it's something actually that, you know, Jake Rosenberg actually spoke about where he, I think he said it on social media, where the good agents, and I think he has a very good relationship with, you know, with Mackay Bechtin's agent, maybe who was no i know i'm sorry this was about fred johnson he was he has a very good relationship with um drew rosanos he was talking about fred johnson and he said that drew specifically funneled

fred johnson to philadelphia saying you're going to want to go here and work with jeff stoutlin it was a response actually i put that tweet out about how um you know stalin rebuilt fred johnson's career and he said the good agents recognize this and i i think there is an understanding that you can go to philly and rebuild your value Danes, where do you come down on the Mackay Beckton question and how to proceed at right guard? I think I'm a little bit less bullish on Tyler Steen than the average person. I'm not like totally anti him, but I think going in the average person has no idea who he is. Well, okay, sorry, the average person who follows the Eagles.

I know like Jimmy Kempski, for example, is like very confident that he can, you know, Tyler Steen can come in and I know he's done film breakdowns like highlighting some of his positive plays. I think that every time he comes in, he looks fine watching live. And then when he watched the film, there's always like a couple of things where it's like, ooh, like Steen kind of messed that play up or someone had to make that for him or whatever. Now, when he gets the whole, you know, offseason as the starter, et cetera, et cetera, you can make that argument. But at the same time, he was kind of scheduled to be that guy this year.

And they brought in McKaye Bechton out of nowhere and immediately lost the job to him, right? A guy who had never played guard before. So that didn't make me feel any more. So Cousin Grace says I don't think most people are bullish on Steen. Maybe I'm thinking about before last year people were more bullish on him. Steen's fine, but I think like ideally a guy of Steen's level is going to remain a backup, right? Like not be the starter. I don't think that this team doesn't play starters on the offensive line who are going to be liabilities, right?

Like that just hasn't happened like in years where one of the guys, is like, oh, man, that guy's kind of the weak point of the offensive line. It just hasn't happened. And so I am not that high on Steen. Now, keeping Bechton, if it's too expensive, then I guess you need some sort of other option. But I'm a little concerned with this idea that, like, well, you know, Beckton earned it. He can go make his money somewhere else and we'll just put Steen in. I'm a little more worried about that.

I think to your point and the larger discussion we're having, I think they are more likely to make sure they're safe. at Red Guard than at Corner, for instance. I think they're more likely to let Keely Ringo sink or swim than they are to let Tyler Steen sink or swim without true competition. I think they care more about not having the weak link on the offensive line. That might be, right?

And part of that is the nature of the way the roster is composed. The next guy in a corner is probably going to be closer level to him than the next guy in that, you know, some guy you signed to be a or drafted to be a backup at Offensive Line isn't going to be able to just fill in, right? If you have Steen be the guy coming in and he doesn't play well, you're kind of screwed, right? Like you're not going to have another guy who's just going to be able to come in and play at a starter level there. I also want to speak to this idea that Bechton, it's clear Beckton loves it here.

And Bechton wants to be back. But this idea that Bechton would take a team-friendly deal to play here, look, this is a lot of money no matter how you slice it. So let's talk about percentages instead of dollars. right if if you're talking about like a 10% difference guys would do that but if you're talking about like a 50% difference in value guys don't leave that on the table so if the difference is like 10 plus million and 6 million i mean if i was advising macapecton i would say no matter how much you like playing for jepa if you want to hand me over four million dollars yeah like like don't leave that on the table um so yeah if if it's close i see it but i you know if if if if

If Bechton's markets what I think it's going to be, I have a hard time seeing the Eagles getting near that money. Can we ask the behavioral economist about this, economist? I've always, like, not fully been able to comprehend amounts of money this large. Like, on my end, like, like, people ask me sometimes about these things because I'm an economist, like, just like you're doing now. I, like, I just can't, I, like, you know, we teach diminishing marginal utility, right? like where you don't enjoy the, and in class I always use the example. Like if someone gives you $10 million, that'll make a big difference in your life. The next $10 million might not make a big difference, right?

Because you already have the first $10 million. And the numbers we're talking about with these athletes. Now I understand their careers are short, right? And their earnings are going to dip a lot like once they stop playing. But sometimes with that amount of money, you know, and I know Vinny's talked about it on the show, like I do see how players sometimes regret. going for the money and not being happy where they are and having to move their family and all those kinds of things. So I think a lot of people are looking at that,

McIbeckton crying after the Super Bowl clip and thinking like, that guy can't leave, right? But we understand that that's not always the way it is. All right. So Jedrick Wills advances? Yes. Yeah. Most jerk. Jeddrick Wills. I mean, the scouting report on him is that he's athletic and a good pass setter and that he has problems against stunts and things like that. I mean, a couple of those coyote drills and he'll be much different. There you go.

It's a different profile than Beckton. He's less physically imposing. Okay, John Bates, the blocking tight end from the commanders, or Ben Cleveland, the benched mammoth guard from the Ravens? I think Ben Cleveland. I think Ben Cleveland's the kind of guard that I can see them going after. What about you? John Bates is like one of the least exciting regions like I've ever thought about.

I'm going with Cleveland, Ben, as well. All right, a big one here. Now we're going to bring in another, this time we're bringing in someone who's already been eliminated and we're turning this matchup into a three-way. Miles Garrett versus Michael Mayer versus the person he defeated in the first round. Harold Landry is back.

Harold Landry, Michael Mayer or Miles Garrett. Yeah, I'm going to go Landry. And this is a change to the equation today because you don't have to trade for. obviously there's no conflict but you don't have to trade form and I think similar to the Kalil Mack conversation I think you can talk about Harold Landry being a part of your defense for two years one to two years and it's it's not like you're thinking of your long term your long term core player Miles Garrett there's obstacles obviously that we've discussed

I think they would love Miles Garrett Michael Mayer would be a player who um especially if they moved on from doubt what's that it's a good run there's a run Yeah, if they moved on from Dallas Goddard or if they traded Dallas Goddard, I think Michael Mayer makes a lot of sense. But Landry, there's the least resistance and there's a clear role because they don't have the depth at edge rusher that they have at defensive tackle. We got to talk more about Goddard in a second, but this is what we think is most likely, right? Is what? Like this whole game, quacketology? Yes, yeah.

Oh, yes. Yeah, this isn't what we like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, I think, yeah, I think this is Harold Landry easily. Like, he's, like, exactly the kind of thing that I can tell. Someone just alerted me to this. I had no idea that Ben Cleveland had a bunch of off-the-field stuff going on right now. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah.

No, I did not either. All right. All right. Congratulations to John Bates for making it to the elite eight. So disqualification. Why don't we, I thought we put. Let's put Harold Landry against John Bates. How about that? And let's have, let's have. Let's have. Yeah, instead of a three-way, let's have, let's eliminate. I like that. That's sounded weird to say.

Don't make that a trough. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I'm with you. Landry beats. Yeah, Landry beats. Harold Landry takes John Bates's place and moves on. Okay.

Okay. And so John Mayer takes out Michael Miles Garrett. Michael Mayor versus Garrett. What do you guys think? I actually think Garrett here. I'm going Garrett more than Mayor. What do you think? Sure.

Sorry, I'm just saying with the off the field stuff. Yeah, what's your gotter question? Remember the John Mayer sketch on Chappelle's show, Sack? That's the one piece of John Mayor pop culture we did not address the other day. I'm not familiar with that sketch, no. Oh, he's playing music at the barbershop. Oh, okay. I got to check that out.

I got to check that out. You got to check that out. Yeah. Chat, tell us. Michael Mayer or. Miles Garrett, you have about 12 seconds. One, two, three, three, four, six, seven, eight, nine, nine.

Ooh, it's very tight. Eleven. What, it's like tight. Twelve. I believe it's tightened as a wonderland. Michael Mayer is looking on by the skin of his teeth, trying to take sexual napalm all the way to the final four. We close out this week 16, Draymont Jones, the former Vic Fangio player, defensive tackle by trade, although it was asked to play on the edge last year in Seattle, release. Does not count against the compact for him that's still young enough, and he's going up against Zach's boy, Kyle Pitts.

Yeah, definitely Draymond Jones here, without a doubt. And I like Jermon Jones quite a little. We'll talk about this advancing. Jermon Jones to me is such a good fit for the Eagles. Okay, let's go lead eight. Khalil Mack against Anthony Nelson. Bo, I have too much respect for you to answer this. So I'll defer to you here.

I'm going to let you. You have too much respect for me to answer it. So I asked your question and you're going to respect me by not answering. Well, look, I mean, I... It's not about who's a better player. It's you tell me your understanding of the Eagles operating philosophy. Are they going to add a big ticket 33-year-old on the edge? Or are they going to try to add a guide to the rotation?

I just don't know how big a ticket we're talking about. talking Mac is going to be. I mean, I was surprised when you said you're talking about Josh sweat money. I thought this was going to be like 10 to 12 million for Mac. Yeah, I did. Oh, you meant in terms of canceling out the conflict formula. Yes. That makes sense. Sorry about that. Yeah, I think Cleo Mac makes more sense here. I think Mac too, unless Fangio has some reason to think that like he's not going to be useful at this point. Khalil Mack has had an incredibly decorated career, probably a Hall of Famer, and yet for the very first time in that illustrious career,

he has advanced to the Quackatology Final Four. Congratulations to the Mac family. Next up. He's never been a free agent before. Is that right? He's never been on the open market. Is that right? Yeah.

I think he's only been an extension guy. Okay. Next up. One of the surprises of the tournament. I mean, you talk about a Cinderella story. How about somebody entering the competition in the Sweet 16? Jack Sanborn taken on Malik Harrison. I like Harrison more because I like that role.

Look, I've already repeated this 15 times. It's not about what you like. It's about what I'm saying. I think they're more apt to sign for that role. I think they're more apt to sign for that, the versatility that Harrison provides. Also, I think in terms of duplication, I think Sanborn's more comparable to Jeremiah Trotter Jr.

Okay. And I don't think they have someone who feels. I think he does more on the edge. Sanborn. Mm-hmm. Okay. I was thinking, you know, look, Sanborn is a Wisconsin guy, and the Eagles could see, like, that was, look, that Van Ginkle,

um, uh, Zach Bond, Leo Chanel, like, that's a type. That is a type for sure. but are you putting Sanborn in that category? Sanborn's not nearly as athletic as those guys. I know, but, but Bo says Sanborn can help more on the edge than... No, no, no, no, not more on the edge than in the middle, more on the edge than Jeremiah Trauter. Then, then Jeremiah Tratt Jr., yeah. Sure, but I don't think that Vangio would want Sanborn to be playing as you.

I agree with you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I like Harrison more here, but I'm not, I'll pound the table for Draymond Jones. I'm not pounding the table for Harrison over for Sanborn. This does remind you. I mean, my one disappointment from the Eagles, miced up from the Super Bowl that they debuted last night. I mean, we get, we get the shot of Trotter, the elder.

We get like, it's like Chekhov's Trotter, and then we get the axe, and we don't see his reaction. We got to get, we got, I need eyes on him for that. Yeah, yeah. Or the two of them, you know. That was the other, actually, that reminds me, that was the other great Zach Bond lot, is that after Trotter does the axe.

Oh, we finally. did it. Yeah, yeah. Zach Bond speaks for everybody. He's like, he finally did it. Yeah. I mean, he had done it in an earlier game, but yeah, I think, like, I am speaking for all the fans here, the amount of footage that they obviously have from the Super Bowl with all the miced up stuff, the following all the players around who they have miced up, all the different angles we keep seeing from all these different things. I mean, man, just release it. You know, like, like, turn it into like a 10-hour, 10-part thing that, like, the true fans can just, so go. They're just $60 for snow. How about $60 for that? Oh, I would, I mean, if they made it like

12 hours, I would watch all 12 hours. Like, there's like no, there's nothing that would say. It would be the best TV show of the off season. So I wish they would just release more of that stuff. It doesn't all have to be so super tightly edited and dramatic and everything. I just want to see, like, every time they show, like, the players walking out of the locker room, like that's obviously like 10 minutes of footage of that like just show me the whole thing you know like somebody posted just the last 10 minutes of jalen on the sideline i don't know if you guys saw that it was a fan just took a video uh of the last 10 minutes of jalen just walking around the sideline he's not even in the game and you can see everybody hugging each other and everything

and i watched that like three times like that it's like uh you know just because you see so many different players like coming to him and talking to him and i don't know i think that stuff is under provided as a product by the NFL. I would love the raw footage, man. I mean, what I would do to get that raw footage right now would be enormously helpful. Fran might know some people. Fan might know some people, Zach.

Yeah, I mean, that would be so extraordinarily valuable to me. Can you sing the song, Zach? I'm not singing on here. No. No. Oh, baby, I like it raw. Oh, baby, I like you raw. I'll say the raw footage.

No, I didn't even know that was a song, to be honest with you. Okay. Can I listen to different music? Malik Harrison, is advancing over Jack Sandborn? That's kind of sad. I mean, you're going to snuff the torch on this inspiring Jack Sandborn's Cedarlla story? You can be a Sanborg guy. I'm more of a Harrison guy.

All these guys, they fought through. It's not about what we like. Stop doing that. Relax. Fangio's not going to want Jack Sandborn on the team. All right, fine. Malik Harrison. Jeddrick Wills or Harold Landry?

Harold Landry. Agreed. Yeah. I think Jeddrick Wills is more apt to get a starting job. I think the Eagles are more apt to pay for an edge rusher. Michael John Mayer or Draymond Jones. Draymond Jones, less resistance to getting him, number one. You don't have to trade.

And I think, yeah, I think if the Eagles are acquiring, no, if Dallas Goddard is traded, then the Eagles need a new backup tight end. But the Eagles, I know they need to address their defensive front. And Draymond Jones makes a lot of sense here. Do you feel like that is the understanding here that Dallas Goddard just doesn't want to play? Let's talk to Dallas Goddard here. Yeah, like does Dallas Goddard not want to play as a like a lame duck kind of year? Is that the reason for all of this chatter of him not coming back?

I think that there, I don't want to speak for Dallas, but I imagine he probably wants some clarity on his future. I think Bo put it really well yesterday that if you let a guy go into the last year of his deal that often says what you think of him, there is, the evils have taken care of all these other core guys. It's frankly, it's a similar situation to Josh Sweat last year. Right. And the Eagles, they restructured Sweat's deal to make him a lame duck player, basically. The difference is Josh Sweat. It was Josh Sweat's 27-year-old season. It was, it's Dallas Goddard's 30-year-old season.

I think that if you're Dallas Goddard, you probably want some resolution on this now as opposed to next year. 31 years old, like I said, if the injuries continue, Dallas Goddard's market's limited or I should say not as robust. I think Dallas Goddard would be extraordinarily valuable right now. Now, Evan Ingram was just released, and so there's competition on the tight end market. But Dallas Goddard's well regarded in the league. So I imagine that. And look, Eagles just paid a lot of money for Zach Vaughn. So I think that could kind of affect the way things are internally as well.

Yeah, I think, I mean, other than the injuries, for me, like Dallas Goddard is still a very valuable player. Like if you knew he wasn't going to miss more than X games a year, which I don't know how you could know that at this point. It's strange to me that they brought him in as a Zach Hertz replacement like a little bit too early famously. And now there's talk of just letting him go without having an obvious replacement, right? Like, I mean, Grand Calcutta is not a replacement for Dallas Carter. Like, he's not as good a receiver. He's not as good a blocker. Like, he's just not as good at all.

You'd have to bring in a guy over Grant Calcuttaire. So unless they have like a plan for that, I'm very surprised that they would just take this kind of like Super Bowl winning offense and get rid of one of the guys that the head coach constantly talks about is one of the three guys that the passing game runs through. And I know people tease me about his impact in the run game. But at the end of the day, like Saqueline Barkley did have over one yard more per carry when he was on the field, like, you know,

was the second best running back in the league with him on the field. and the 10th best without him on the field, you don't know that the guy you bring in is going to be able to do the things that Dallas got or does. So I'm just very surprised that this is the, that you and McLean and some other people are saying, are talking as if he's gone. That kind of took me by surprise this week.

Danes, was the, the Sanquan extension? Was that the first bad day you've had since the Eagles won the Super Bowl? No, so I know, I know. Everyone's asking me of this. I think the details on his contract were just reported. and I think, you know, I'm seeing from reliable sources that his cap hit is going to be about half a million less than it would have been without the extension. So that's the question that people had. I'm perfectly fine with this.

And the reason is that based on how everyone on the team clearly feels about his impact, including the leadership side of things, which won't deteriorate, even if his body will, the total amount of money doesn't seem egregious to me at all. running backs are not paid that much and I think that's rightfully so for the reasons that we've talked about and even the highest paid one ever which is what Sake Kwan just became is making less than someone like Milton Williams will right

so if it makes everyone feel like Seqwan's getting what he deserves and avoiding the conversation during the season next year then that's fine with me like I know some people have said that this is kind of like learning from T.O. Like you know like they didn't do this with TO and they're doing this with Sakewan

the amount of money involved in running backs is still relatively low right and so i don't think this is like a big deal i don't think we're going to go look back at the season and be like oh they paid sequan so they couldn't get this guy so they weren't good there i don't think that's what this is going to be so am i reading this right that you were you were hoping to move the spotlight from sequin barclay as the player you hate to milton williams as the player you hate i i feel so bad about this because i love i i feel like i've been like a milton williams fan more than others throughout his career here but it's getting a little crazy

with the Milton Williams stuff, don't you think? Like, I've been a fan the whole time he's been here. But, I mean, you're talking about people were saying that if he and Zach Bond could stay at the same money, which first of all, it's not going to be the same money. Milton's going to get paid more, right? But even if it were the same money, like, people were like, oh, yeah, you've got to bring Milton Williams back, right? He's like a homegrown guy who plays a more valuable position. I mean, you were talking about a guy who's played, what, we played 47% of the snaps this year.

and he was the guy benefiting from double teams the whole season. Like Jalen Carter never came off the field, which means we basically never saw Milton Williams as being the guy that the offensive line was focused on. And so listen, if he goes to a bad defense, plays the whole game and gets double-teamed and is still effective, then I'll be proven wrong, right? But we haven't seen him do any of those things.

Like he hasn't been the focus of the offense. And so for me, if you're getting, that kind of money, you have to be the one drawing the double teams, right? Not the one benefiting from the double teams. And if you can project from his film that he's going to be able to do that, then go ahead, pay him whatever, $20 million. But I just don't see how you're getting that out of watching what Milton Williams has done so far. So I like the comment from Rob that said, is that the professor or Tom Donahoe in the middle. Listen, that's why I feel bad. Like I was, I've been pro Milton Williams the whole time. I think he's been, I think he's gone from like underrated to overrated

very fast. He was like almost, he was never rated at the, at the correct level. Like, like he just went from like underrated by almost everybody to overrated by almost everybody, which is one of the things that happens when your team is awesome and, and you're on a, you're on a contract year. So that's fine. Good for him. I'm not, I, I hope he gets as much as he can, but I totally am okay with letting him go if he's going to cost as much as like a star defensive tackle costs, which he's never shown that he can be that. I just get back to the Goddard conversation real quick because you brought a fair point. And I keep going back to what both said about then telling you what they think of you when

if you enter the last year of his deal. The benefit of covering a GM who's been here for a long time is you have a lot of history to evaluate. And in the last, let's say like five, eight years, the last time they allowed a big money player. So let's say 10 plus million dollar player, gets the last year of his deal was Josh Sweat last year when they literally tried to trade him and J. Vaughan Hargrave. And the J. Von Hargrave situation was, I don't even know if they thought he was going to play as well as he did that third year and then be a 20 million. You know, I just think they really liked Hargrave. he made $20 million on the open market.

But typically the Eagles, they either trade you or they extend you or cut you. That's kind of been their MO. And that's what was happening with sweat last year. That's what happened with the Reddick last year. It's just been or there have been times when they get ahead and they extend you. But it's very seldom that they let a big money player play on that last year when there's no guaranteed money on the deal. And the players know and the agents know that and the players know that. So we're going Draymond Jones over Michael Mayer.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, I actually think Draymond Jones could be like Duke this year or Auburn this year and have a good shot at pushing this. I'm going to make it about Duke. Auburn. Let's say Auburn, Bruce Pearl. All right. Yeah, there's a guy we love. All right.

Final four. Final four. Oh, coach. Yep. Calil Mack against Malik Harrison. Now, is it Khalil Mack or is it Mac Khalil? It is Kalil Mack. And is it Malik Harrison or is it Harrison Malik?

It is Khalil. It is Malik Harrison. It is Cleo Mack. And let's go with Cleo Mac here. What do you think, then is? Yeah, I agree. I mean, I don't think the versatility that you're talking about with Malik Harrison is something they're going to be looking for now that bond's back. If Bond hadn't come back, then you're looking for a guy like that.

But I think Khalil Mack, I mean, it kind of fits. whole little bit of that like endomica sue Lindwall Joseph style you know like like bring in the big name who's looking for a ring house jack at Cunningham yeah well I was trying to forget about those guys by the way I love that C.J. G.J. called out Kevin Byard for like just like Kevin Byer taking strays like that made my day yesterday like I don't even care about that whole debate with sleigh and everything but as soon as Kevin Byard got involved, I immediately opened my eyes and it just made me love the, uh, the, the, the tweet more. So any, anything that's into Kevin Byer just makes me happy. Yeah. I also think to the comment to the

Mac versus Harrison conversation, there's something to be said about players who, who they've had a chance to sign before, right? And like, not to say they already showed with you what they thought of, of them, but Harrison was a free agent and he re-signed in Baltimore on a one-year deal for not a lot of money. So I think that sometimes that shows you what their internal what their pro scouting department's evaluation was. Landry Harold or John Dremont? It's Jermont Jones versus Harold Landry. This is a tough one here. I'm going with Raymond Jones. You know what? I was willing to send Dremont Jones to the championship and anoint him as the king of Quacketology until you made the Duke comparison. And now I don't like it.

I got to tell you this. I got a DM from someone who had, who has an idea for a show. But within the note, they were trying to strategize how we can have this as a, because they're like, if you present it as your idea, it's like, he's not going to do it. If you present it as a reader's idea, he's not going to do it. So there has to be like a way that this is presented that make you think that it's like your idea. I get the thought behind that, but I think you can attest. When you have ideas for shows, I do not shoot those down. Yeah, it depends on it.

But no, the best course of strategy is like to bring it up in such like to bring up a conversation organically. And then you're like, we should show on this. Yes, it's a great idea. So I have to figure out how to intersperse this into conversation. Jermont Jones to me is, is. I don't think that's connected to the Duke thing. at all, but okay. No, well, no, I'm saying once you get an idea in your head, it's like, so I shouldn't have brought up Duke. But in any event, Raymond Jones, who is, he went to Ohio State,

he went to, I believe he went to St. Ignatius, same high school as who, by the way, Denise. Oh, no. I'm not the high school. I don't know anything about high schools. Darian Canard, but also Jonathan Gannon, if he went to the same. Oh, okay, okay. Okay. Yes, yes. All right. Yeah, actually, I once, I once, I once, I want remove that information from my brain. I once tried to. Right. Yeah.

Did he go there? Let me just confirm because then I once asked, or I was making small talk with, yeah, he went to St. Ignatius. I was making small talk with Jonathan one time. And I brought up the Louisville game the night before. And he's like,

yeah, I don't really follow Louisville. You know, I followed St. Ignatius. And I said, oh, okay. I didn't have St. Ignatius to score in the back of my head. Do you guys think that Dary and Kinnard has gotten enough attention for the fact that he has been in the NFL for three years and won the Super Bowl.

If it was on the open market, someone should give him $5 million just in case? Oh, I mean, imagine if you just like decided that that was just, I mean, that's the key. You just have to have Darian Kennard on the team and you win the Super Bowl. I mean, no NFL team has ever had him on the roster and not won the Super Bowl. That's crazy. Now, has any individual player won four in a row before? I mean, are we talking about the first time it's ever going to happen? That's a good question.

Yeah. Oh, four, but, um, I mean, when, uh, yeah, when like, uh, Charles Haley went from Cowboys to the Niners, I, I don't know. I'm trying to. Oh, yeah, but it wasn't four in a row, right? Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Because he would have had to go back to Dallas for it to be four in a row and he didn't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's looking to do something no one's ever done.

Look, I mean, he's someone. It should be like the biggest story in the NFL. Yeah. Lane Johnson was like, this guy's going to be on the 53. Like, Lane wasn't even beating around the bush. Lane's like, this guy's going to be on the team this year. Yeah. All right.

Harold Landry or Draymond Jones. What is your, I think the question here, let's frame it this way, like, truly, what do you think is a bigger priority for them to add an impact edge rusher or a guy or a guy who can spell and be potentially an impact player inside? Assuming that's probably, but that's the thing. Like, is that what we think Draymond Jones would be for fans? Gio? Because, like, that's not what he was last year. I think he'd be Milton Williams.

Yeah, I think he'd be someone who could play different spots along the line. But Milton Williams didn't really play different spots on the line. He just played on the inside. So I think the, I think, like, I'm like a handful of snaps where you're lined up in like a 3D tackle. No, he played different techniques. Milton played different techniques along the line. Yeah, sure. But he didn't play, like, as a wide knife.

He didn't play edge. No, that's true. Right. That's true. But Draymont Jones did. Like, that's what he played last year. So I'm just wondering if like, right, right. So you're thinking, you're thinking bring him here and play him basically on the inside.

So the question is, are they looking more for a Milton Williams replacement or Josh Sweat replacement? And I would submit that they are looking more for a Josh Sweat replacement. I agree. I'm going to go there. Yeah, because I think Ojima, I think they like Morrow. I think Jordan Davis, they're going to give Jordan Davis a little bit more of a look this year as well. Thomas Booker is a different type of player, but I know they like Thomas Booker in that bill. Whereas edge rusher, they don't like Bryce Huff.

So I know that. Yeah, they like Joe. And we discussed if Jalen Carter doesn't get injured, like you don't need that many snaps at defensive tackle. Like, so you're not bringing in guys to like fill in those snaps. So yeah, I agree that this should go to Plandry. Yeah. I mean, they like Nolan Smith. They like Jalxon.

They don't like Bryce off. So they're more out to sign an edge rusher. All right. I'm glad we've eliminated Duke. The championship game. Yeah. Khalil Mack against Harold Landry. Now, some people, you know, questioning the legitimacy of this tournament

after Harold Landry was originally eliminated in the first round against Michael Mayer. But, you know what? Crazy things have happened. And he goes up against Killal McCack, who was in the first matchup of the entire tournament. Real full circle stuff happening here. I think we should bring Rasul Douglas into the final as well. Sure. Congratulations to Russell Douglas.

He was made it a monage. No, you know, John Menard Keynes, I believe his name is, had a famous line, you know, when the fact changed, I changed my mind. What do you do, sir? Right. And so the facts changed here. Harold Landry is now on the open market. He's not a trade candidate. So I think this is very legitimate, right? It's the reality. It's the facts have changed in this situation. So were you going, Harold Landry? Oh, well. You would be willing to sign, let's say he's going to, because he's going to, because he's, going to cost sweat-ish money. You think so? Yes.

Okay. I mean, they're the same age, and he has, like, if not the same level of production, even more. Yeah, I mean, but I got to think, too, that no one traded for him, right? it might be similar to sweat last year. He was available via trade. No one traded for him. So the league's already had a chance to jump the market and get him. Jonah Jackson was a guy who teams wanted to keep off the open market, right?

One team, as you correctly pointed out with the same exercise about there on Browning. Yeah. But Harold Landry has been available here. You know, look, if the price is, I guess who's the price better for? I was leaning toward Landry because of age, but I guess I'd be happy to go Mac here. I mean, and with Mac, there is the background. Landry's going to cost more money, but he's not going to count against the compact formula. That's basically the decision.

You probably just decide who you think is a better player, who's a better fit. But I mean, I've seen Mack and Fanjure's defense. So I think if they say to Vic, you know, you can have, have your guy for this year who you going with. My guess is Vic would lean toward Calillo Mac. I think Vic Vanjo really likes Calilio Mac. What do you guys think?

Yeah, Landry is going to be expensive. Then definitely Mac. I mean, I don't think. Yeah, I don't know. What do you think, Bill? I'm just not sure Landry's going to be expensive. I'm a little bit worried about the historical precedent of letting Harold Landry win after he was eliminated in the first round. just as a quacketology

purist, but Can you give us some quacketology history, Bo? This is one of the few games that I don't actually Sure. I can tell you I remember that the Senior Bowl quacketology once with Fran Duffy, I remember that Garrett Bradbury in the fourth round won and he ended up being a first round pick

so that one didn't pan out. I believe Jordan Whitehead is a past champion. That sounds like. Quakotology? I believe who was the Colts linebacker who then signed with the Browns the year that Siriani came over and they needed to say they signed Eric Wilson instead. Yeah, Anthony Walker. Anthony Walker, I believe, might have won Quakotology in the past. So it's a really storied group that Khalil Mack or Harold Landry is hoping to join.

So here's just a little mutual admiration society quotes for you here. This is Vic Fangio on Khalil Mack. When he came out of college, we were drafting very late in the first round in San Francisco at the time. So they said, don't even bother watching him. So I didn't watch him as a collegiate player. With him in Oakland and me in the NFC, I didn't really see him play a lot. Then when we got him and it was just after a few days, it was like, holy crap. Okay?

That was his first impression of him. Khalil Mack talking about Vic Fangio said, coach Vic, he was a mastermind. with him understanding the players he had, making sure before the week we were prepared for every guy, what we would do, we expected to dominate every time we played. Joel Corey, the former NFL agent, has contract projections that he just put out. And he has Khalil Mack in here. The projection for Khalil Mack is two years, $45 million, with $23.5 fully guaranteed signing. Okay. which is more than with Josh Sweat, it's more guaranteed, but it's a lower, I guess it's about the same.

With Josh Wet, it's 495 with 52 and a half fully guaranteed at signing. That's a lot for Khalil Mack. I don't think the Eagles can afford that for Kalilomac. Now, I don't know where Harold Landry is coming in. Yeah. I mean, that is a lot. I think we just got to give it to Rasul Douglas at this point. I think it might be Jack Sandborn again.

I'm looking at this Dan Pompeii piece, why Cleo Mac allows Vic Fangio to accomplish more by doing less. And this whole thing, Fangio is just talking about how Cleo Mac just makes the engine run in Chicago. Now, this was five years ago. But, I mean, look, if you're looking at those two guys, I think I would lean toward Cleo Mac because of the Fangio connection. I'm going to, and if you think about who's got the juice in the building right now, like this, does Vic have a little bit of juice to put his thumb on the scale?

This is the guy I want. I could be talked into that. I also think the Eagles are still getting, the Eagles will still get a compick for Milton Williams. So still get a compick for Mackay-Becton. I think if he's getting that much, you're not getting that Milton Williams compic. You're looking at a four. Well, he's canceling out sweat, is my guess, right? Well, one of the two, yeah, I guess.

If Swift gets that much, then all of a sudden you are. But it's still costing you all that money and the opportunity cost of one of the picks, right? So, yeah. I don't know. I don't really see that. All right. Khalil Mack. Yes.

Zach has convinced us. Yeah. Look, I mean, I would love to cover Khalil Mack. I will say that. I had the great fortune of being able to cover Julio Jones. And I think whenever you get the chance, like, no, seriously, but to be. around Hall of Fame players.

I can see the billboard now. Khalil Mack is coming. I have a chance to be around Hall of Fame players as someone who loves football as much as I do is like a personal treat. Good, good point here in the chat. A couple of people have pointed it out.

And you know what? If it's a tiebreaker, so be it. Khalil Mack. Calil Quack. Oh. Macatology. Okay. I think it was destined.

Okay. I see people in the chat saying, Trey Hendrickson, Trey Hendrickson, you have to trade for. I don't think the Eagles are trading for Trey Hendrickson. All right, Professor, any final thoughts? No, I think I'm good. I mean, I think the records already stated that I'm predicting

Rassul Douglas will be here. So not knowing anything about like whether the bills are going to sign them. All right. And a final reminder, we will be live on Monday. At noon, when the new league year, well, the tampering period opens up, rather. We're going to be live from 12 to 3 with me, Zach, and Fran Duffy in studio. And if there's reason to keep it going beyond three, we will keep it going beyond three. I should say in advance, because some people have asked me this.

I normally make my free agency tracker and post it. I have not done that this year. And the reason is because I will be completely off the grid all of next week. So posting that and then not being able to update it, I thought would be silly. So we're going to Belize tomorrow morning and we're going to be on an island with possibly no internet during free agency. So it's not, it's normally Penn Spring Break is the week before free agency. So I don't know if Penn changes it or the NFL changes it or what, but we're off by a week here in a way that is going to make this hard for me to follow free agency for the first week. So I'm glad we won the Super Bowl and I don't have to worry quite as much.

much about it as usual, but yeah, we're excited about it. Jack, you are also going to be on vacation next week. I'm going to be on vacation next week? What's the joke? It's a joke for that precise reaction, as if there would ever be a possibility when you take that week off. No, oh, yeah, no, I'm on vacation three weeks from now. It's a family thing, but I will definitely, I will not be on vacation.

He doesn't apologize for it. He wants to be clear that he would never choose to go on vacation in the third week of free agency. If we're up to me. If it were up to me. That is true. I hold my vacation until June when nothing goes on,

but somethings are more important. Yes. No, I will be, I can't wait for it next week. Next week's some of our best shows are the live free agents shows. So excited for that. All right.

That'll do it for this episode of the PHLY Eagles podcast. Congratulations. to Khalil Mack on bringing home the title of Quacketology Champion 2025 for Danes and Zach and Julia. We thank you for watching and listening. We'll talk to you on Monday for the extravaganza. And as always, we love you.