PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Big test for Eagles’ Three-Headed MONSTER of Jihaad Campbell, Zack Baun, Nakobe Dean

Episode Date: November 14, 2025

The Eagles are on tap for a difficult assignment on defense as Zack Baun, Nakobe Dean and Jihaad Campbell will have to patrol them middle of the field against a dangerous Lions offense as Jaelan Phillips, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, Jalyx Hunt, Moro Ojomo and Brandon Graham try to hassle Jared Goff. The professor Deniz Selman is here to teach you and Bo Wulf everything you need to know about the matchup with news from our Eagles Insider EJ Smith. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome the P. H.L.I. Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity Studio, presented by Bet365 and Ashley. Bull Wolf, the professor. Jane is, is here. E.J. Smith will join us in a little bit. Plenty to talk about. And of a huge game on Sunday night between the Eagles and the Lions. I do want to get right into it, Professor. But the Eli Rick's card? No, the Red Zone turnover thing. People in the chat already saying I got hosed yesterday. Like very unfairly, I should have gotten credit for that.

How'd you feel? You agree. Yeah, I think, no, I don't agree. I think by the intention of the, you know, letter, you know. I think when you... Letter of the law, no, but that is really what we were talking about. I think when you watch it, with your eyes and you see

a fumble at the 14 yard line you're thinking man that's a you know it's a costly red zone turnover for sure yes but at the same time you know what officially it's a play it's a play that starts at the 24 yard line it doesn't go as a failed red zone

appearance for the eagles like in the red zone stats so if it's if it's an oh for oh in the red zone how can it be a red zone turnover right so there's some inconsistency there I mean very big of you to extremely magnanimous. And I'm sure you're, you'll remember this when you, when you, you know, bring out the, the, the, the, the, the strip swooper later in the season or whatever you're planning on doing. But yeah, no, I think it was the right, right ruling to not count it.

Tough. Big difference. It goes from a solo win. Huge. To a nothing, basically. Yeah. Yeah. Except a change in the annotation of the points on your head.

Well, yeah. And I have to always have to decide whether to do fractions. Yeah. And what have you, what have you landed on? I think in the past you've gone I've got decimal yeah yeah eight three is that where we're at yeah yeah just what swooper needed was more complication I did I did enjoy the lyrics card thank you yeah I enjoyed that a lot I think Fran and EJ were correct to be upset initially but I think the the introduction of the Eli Rick's card is a is a nice is a nice one

and now I know why you texted me earlier in the day to ask you um which player is most like the poster child of Howie's practice squad gymnastics. And I had Eli Ricks in mind, but yeah, that was good. But I think to play, like a Patrick Johnson thing because that's the idea is that you you have somebody who you have

on the roster until you can find somebody better. See, I think, I think you have to keep the Eli Ricks card going and having it transact a lot between among you to capture how Eli Ricks has had, you know, he's been on and off the team like nine times since September. I think that that's like, you know,

He has to keep changing hands. You know, like, that's the, like the real Elirix. He has to keep on going from one status to another. All right. All right. Now that we got that out of the way. Let's get to the football. I want to start with the line.

Oh, I'm not mad at E.J., by the way. I literally don't know what he was talking about. And when he comes into the studio in about half an hour, I'm going to ask him. I'm going to ask him, what the hell? What are you talking about? I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at him for saying I'm mad at him now. But, you know.

that's next level yeah all right I want to talk about the linebackers because yeah we're going to focus on the defense to start let's be happy yep and as you see we're going to talk about the linebackers

we're going to get into the lion's offensive identity the cowardly eagles which does remind me of the old philadelphia eagles dot com pregame cartoons remember when it was the cowardly lion

great job by oh yeah by Kevin and there was a couple of those I was able to voice with an accent. Oh, fun. The highlight of the point. That's a good throwback. We'll get to Devante Smith and the big season that he is having relative to A.J. Brown. Of course, E.J. will join us.

I was living in Turkey those years. And Philadelphia Eagles.com was one of the only ways I had access to Eagles coverage. That was back in the days of, you know, stuff was on actual TV, you know, and I didn't have any kind of access to TV. Was it ever at the point where we had to pay? I had to pay to watch the games. but in terms of consuming internet content were you paying

like buy the megabyte or was it always no I don't think so that's what it was like we had like campus internet of some sort I lived in faculty housing when I was

studying abroad in Australia that's what it was okay like you had to pay by the megabyte yeah so you had to like should I click on this video or not

kind of thing yeah yeah tough that is tough I mean you want to talk about real hard problems that's as hard scrabble

as it gets No. Okay. I am continually. Let me take that again. I continue to be fascinated by the linebackers here for the Eagles. And obviously, Zach Bond stays on the field, the juggling of Nikobie Dean and Jahad Campbell, the different strengths they have. How Vic has gone about it.

I had a chance to talk to Zach Bonn yesterday about it. And he, you know, he thinks it's cool and it's great because he loves those guys. You know, I was asking him about like, does he feel like he has to take on a different personality? Right. Because when Nkobie's in the field, Nkobi's like the alpha. Yeah, yeah. And then when, you know, he's off the field, then Zach Bonn's got to like, you know, put on his big boy pants and be the guy who's calling the defense. And he was laughing about that, but he thinks it's funny.

But he also said, like, he has gone to Vic on the practice field, being like, I've got like a couple ideas of like things we could do. But you do it. You're the expert, but I'm just throwing some ideas out there. It's funny, like, how still scared of Vic they are, but I don't know. I was thinking about from a game theory standpoint, do you find the, what seems to be now, the predictability of when they're rotating with the linebackers? Is that something that you think can be taken advantage of by opposing offenses? It's like, okay, this is a Kobe drive.

So now is when we can really make sure we get Jemir Gibbs out on a ride. Maybe to some degree, it's dampened by the fact that they're always all out there on base. And so for teams that are going, teams that like to get heavy to run and then they go light to pass, like Green Bay sort of was in this last game, Green Bay played a bunch of snaps of 12 and they only threw out of it once the whole game. And the Eagles were matching that with base most of the time. All 42 snaps of base since Nikobe has returned. Jihad Campbell has also been on the field. So it's been Nkobi and Bond at inside linebacker and Jihad Campbell has one of the edges, which is interesting given that this last game, you had a bunch of edge. Now Jalen Phillips didn't play any base at all in this game. So that was that was a many part of this is like the news there he's going to retire in three weeks. Yes. I still learn the base defense. I love how he played for Fangio two years ago and he's still like whatever it is about

this base. The edges can't learn the base. Well I mean the most difficult course they're much more likely in the care complex. Much more likely to need to drop in base. I guess that's why you know if they play twins to one side you're going to essentially be a slot corner. So I understand why like it's not an immediate thing but it's just funny like that that you You know, Jalen Phillips played 53 of 58 nickel snaps, however, which is crazy. We'll get more to that later.

So, yeah, they did two drives at a time, as you guys have discussed this week. I do think that at some point, offensive coordinators will be like, okay, like, you know, Nicopi's going to be out here for these two drives. Let's establish some sort of way to isolate him in coverage, right? Like an against Jihad Campbell, maybe like find a way to run at him. Yeah, run at him. Not that he's been bad against the run. I mean, so, yeah, I mean, look, if it comes.

gets to the point where that's happening and it's just egregious they'll just stop doing it that's you know like vic will adjust to that so i don't think that that's that big a concern the thing i'm more interested in is are they going to keep having jihad campbell play all of the edge snaps in base right because the one play that really stuck out to me in this last one was they ran like a toss to the jihad side and they had um uh both uh what's his name uh heath uh the malik malik heath yeah i can i combined two of their mediocre wide receivers into one person. Malie Keith cracked Jahad Campbell in a way where

he just single-blocked him the whole play and part of it was because Jahad Campbell wasn't sure exactly what was coming. Part of it is just that he's not very big, right? Like it's a thing where you wouldn't want your edge rusher to be able to get blocked down the field by a wide receiver. Like it wasn't just a quick crack and then that's it. And so it kind of showed like,

look, he's not really ready to play on the edge. It's not something where, and Vic said himself in the presser yesterday. He said, I see him as an ILB. Like he doesn't really see him as an edge. going forward. And so I feel like they're kind of forcing those snaps on him. He only, he only played 24 snaps of nickel.

So if you take him off the base, now you're talking about your first round pick only playing like 24 snaps. Like that's not the best. Do you think it's make good for Howie? Is, no, you think Vic, does that? I don't think so. I don't think so, no.

I really don't. I think it is in service of his player development for him to play those snaps on the edge. I think it was telling that Nick was asked this week about whether Jahad brings like an advantage in terms of like being good in coverage as an edge, which you have to do a lot when you play edge and base. And he really has been, when it's been a pass, he has been dropping back. Now in this game, Green Bay only passed once. And the guy across from Jahad Campbell was a tight end who blocked. So like he didn't have to cover it all.

So it just didn't come up this game. But when Vic was asked about it this week, he said he should excel at that. He said he should, and he said he should again. And then he said, but it's all about getting the reps. Now, that tells me that he does think, like, look, having Jahad Campbell out there in base will make it much harder for teams to throw at the side with the dropping edge. Because I've got a guy who's like literally like his best part of his game is his coverage ability. You are making, by putting him on the field there, you are making them more predictable.

Or at theory. Yeah, or at least like giving you one less weakness, right? Like, we all remembered when, like, you know, not to bring up trauma here, but like when Janard Avery was dropping in coverage, right? Like, for Jonathan Gannon, and it was just ridiculous. Like, it was just a guy who can't. Hassan, where it was, they would never adjust it to. Yeah, yeah.

It was where they could just dictate your best pressure, just always dropped. So, I mean, just having Jahad Campbell out there, I think gives Vic a little bit more comfort with the coverage side of things in base. And you could also argue, like, maybe that's one of the reasons they didn't throw as much from base. Like, like, if teams aren't throwing, That's not necessarily a bad thing. So, yeah, I'm kind of talking myself into, like, Vic knows what he's doing with letting Jehad Campbell play on the edge on those snaps.

There's also a little bit of, a little bit of, like, auditioning for, like, a bigger role on the edge, maybe, going forward. But, like, I don't know. And there's also, Nolan Smith was clearly on a pitch count, right? Yes. And so this was a way to take some snaps away. Yeah, Nolan Smith. Eventually, that feels like that would be Nolan Smith.

Right. It was just Jalickson and Nolan Smith rotating opposite Jihad. and Nolan Smith very little. So it was a lot of Jaleks on playing on the other edge. And so, yeah, with the Nolan Smith pitch count going away, there probably will be some snaps. It probably won't be 100% of the snaps that drag gamble's on the field on base. But in any case, they don't play base that much.

So I don't know how much it matters. But, yeah, Nicopi's been so good that at the end of the day, like I think I'm, I'm with you in that, like, this, they're handling it pretty well. It hasn't been a problem. And when push comes to shove, like, if a game is going a certain way, it's not going to be like, okay, it's, it's money time, like,

but too bad, it's Jahad Campbell's turn. You know what I mean? Like, like this game, it didn't matter because the way it worked out going two, two, two, two, two, two. There were 10 drives total. So Nikobe just happened, it just happened to be his turn on those last two drives, but we don't know what would have happened

on that last drive if it had been Jihad Campbell's turn, if maybe it would have been Noghanyahu anyway, so we'll see. All right. Well, you know, before we go to break, in this game, in this matchup, those linebackers will be tested. Obviously, we know the lines like to take advantage of the middle of the field. How do you view their responsibility in this game?

Absolutely. I mean, like you look at, you know, Jemir Gibbs and how good he is out of the backfield, that Texas route for a touchdown that he had against Washington on the first drive last week was just like, you know, an awesome play, but it's also very typical of what they do. I mean, that's a, you know, it's a blitz for Washington. They're playing cover three. They have the linebackers kind of in space. And the linebacker is trying to flatten out to the flat there.

And Jemir Gibbs, like, looks like he's going flat. and then he just breaks inside and the linebacker has no chance. And that's exactly what you want to avoid. And that could happen to any of the Eagles linebackers, no matter how good you are in coverage. It's Jamir Gibbs. He's really good.

One thing to note is, and Fran noticed that he likes a linebacker. Get a hold of this guy. Fran, what? When am I meant? A running back. Oh, running back. Yeah, yeah.

I love running backs catching the ball. I always talk about how much I love running backs catching the ball. Which brings me to my next point, though. I've been talking all year about the Eagles, how the Eagles are 32nd in the league and getting five out into the route. Yes. Over the course of the last two games,

they've consciously tried to get the running back out into the route a little bit more, and there were really, really big plays in both of those games. Sequin had the touchdown against the Giants where he was uncovered because they probably thought he was just going to stay in and they all just blitzed instead.

And then he had the huge 41-yarder against Green Bay where he's kind of the checkdown option in the flat on a play where he easily could have stayed to protect what instead he's leaking out. The lions are now... actually below the Eagles in this. They're now 32nd. The Eagles are up to 30th.

And as Fran told us yesterday, they're not very good at it. Exactly. And Brian Flores in particular, if you look at the Lions Vikings game from two weeks ago, Brian Flores beat this team by blitzing them

and beating the running backs in past protection. I thought it was like clearly his plan to make sure that instead of his linebackers covering Jamir Gibbs, Jamir Gibbs was going to be blocking his linebackers, right? And with Brian Flores, it'll blitz everybody.

But this is something that the Eagles can absolutely do. Induce the lions into keeping the running backs into block, especially when it's Gibbs out there, because he's the more dangerous one in terms of receiving. With their standard exchange pressures where the linebacker blitz is like we saw those two plays in a row against Green Bay where Nikoby blitzed and one of the edges dropped, and both of those were incompletions because of the pressure that that brought, I think Nekobi blitzing, Jihad Campbell blitzing, whatever it is, if you can get their running backs to block, which they do a lot, it's not like they're a team that doesn't do that. It's not like you're playing the chiefs and you

the running back's not going to block. I think that that's going to be a big part of the chess match in this one. And I'm also curious if they go against tendency and don't have them. You know what I mean? Like just how that chess game goes. I'm very curious, especially now with we only have one game of Dan Campbell being the one calling plays. I don't know if like who's calling the plays,

like affects things like the protection call. But I'll be very curious of I'm sure Vic studying those protection calls, making sure he understands like exactly when the running back is likely to stay in. And I think he's going to be trying to induce the running back to stand. All right. I like that. Something to follow. Take a quick break.

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Anybody in the Che? Was there a can involved? Yeah. You're just kicking a can? Like a can of beans? that's the be that's the can that comes no like an empty can or like a trash can what are we kicking here yeah like a like a soda can yeah okay yeah i forget the rules of kick the can i don't think we ever played kick the can is like i remember smoking kick the can wanting to play kick the can

and i can't remember the rules that kick the can lots of people in the chat saying they love kick the can love that all right does anyone in the chat know what kick the can is maybe we can no all right now before we get going one more thing just that I forgot to mention about the linebackers playing Greg Kosell who loves talking about how he talks to coaches all the time okay um said that he talked to somebody in the building and heard that and this was on his on a podcast like this wasn't like he told me a can of beans well I meant like an empty can of beans you know that like you get from the recycling and you're

just using it as a soccer ball or something I mean guy I like beans. You don't like beans? What's wrong with beans? I like beans. What's your favorite? What's your favorite? What's your favorite bean?

Bean girl. Okay. All right. Well, Greg O'Sell said that Noghobie Dean might be playing more on nickel than Jihad Campbell now, in part because it just makes it easier for everybody else. That Reed Blankenship was spending a lot of energy

on making sure Jihad Campbell was aligned correctly before plays and it was taking away from his game and those kinds of things now this is coming from inside the building according to him probably from one of the coaches so uh that's just another thing to to note as one of the potential reasons now obviously it's not so bad that they're not playing him and it's not like it's not like you can see on film that there were times where someone else is telling jod campal like move over a gap or something i don't think it's anything beyond what you would expect from from a rookie you know um and so i i don't think it's like a but i don't think it's like I don't think it's a big deal at all.

Probably his bigger problem is making sure Andrew McCuba knows what he's doing. Well, I think that's part of the issue, though, is that like, you know, he can't have a guy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, he's already worried about McCuba, who's been doing a lot better, by the way, in terms of some of the things that we were discussing a few weeks ago. He has not stuck out as a big issue there. There were a couple of plays in this Green Bay game where, like, the pressure definitely bailed out the coverage. I thought Adori Jackson had multiple plays in a row where he didn't look good,

where he could have gotten exposed and he just wasn't because the pressure was there where he just flat out covers the wrong guy in cover one. Like all year when a guy goes in motion, the nickel has taken the guy in motion running the wheel and the outside corner has taken the inside guy. They've done this like a million times and all million times they've done it that way

and Adori Jackson is still covering the wrong guy. You know, like things like that for a veteran, it's just got to be maddening. And so I thought it was noteworthy when Vic was asked about moving Cooper to the outside and Michael Carter being a potential solution inside. when he said we're going to move he basically said we're going to move cooper outside when we don't have good enough play outside right like and and and i'm wondering like how close he is to that

threshold yeah with the dory jackson so we'll see a good point in the chat from j chime who says smash the thumbs up everybody and we need that listen biago has been janked as far as phly is concerned we need your help okay we need you hit the thumbs up evangelize about the show, share it, all that good stuff, comment, let's go. We need your help. Okay, Lindsay has created a game on her own. I know nothing about this. This is very exciting.

My understanding is this is a guessing game for somebody on the Eagles. So I think the rules here, Professor, are whoever shouts it out first, wins. but you're not a lot of second guess. So if you shout it out and you're wrong, then the other person can take their time to think about it. Okay. You don't just automatically get it. You just,

you don't just lose. You just lose your right to guess when you get it. Well, you lose your right to have the next guess. Okay. So if I shout it out and I'm wrong, you can take your time and think about it. And then if you also get it wrong, then I can go.

Okay. I have no idea what this is. All right, Lindsay. The debut? guess the player first team that they were on first team they were on next team they were on

oh wait we're not seeing anything oh sorry my bad okay first team first team is the Eagles Rams the logo is a

clue, though. Oh. Chiefs. Wait, do we know is this, can this be someone who's not current? Yes. Oh, it can be someone who's not current. Okay. All right.

Eagles, Rams, Chiefs. Back to the Eagles. I want. Nick Foles. Is that your final? Nick Foles is my answer. Jaguars, Bears. Yes.

B. D. Bo with the win. I'd like to remind the audience that we did a minipod a few weeks ago, or last week, maybe. Huge numbers on that. In which we had to. Well, maybe there will be bigger numbers now when people go back to look at what a travesty of justice it was that we were naming. I like this. Naming players who played for both the Eagles and the Packers. And Bo named Jair Alexander.

Name Jair Alexander. He's on the roster. He never played. for the Eagles and he never will play for the Eagles it never well you don't know that also it never said we never said they have to have played a game go back and check that one out mini pod from last week

yeah I know you're still salty about it of course I am I said at the time it shouldn't have counted you had you were down and out on that bad boy you had no chance which is why the last thing I needed was outrageous credit being given to players that were wrong another win for the good guy but is that it just one

that was it I thought there was going to be a just testing the segment yeah we're testing it out that's good i mean i think we can predict there's going to be resounding lindsay i'm curious the raise you use the old rams logo is that on purpose because at the time wow okay so that was it was a clue that's yeah i know i like what she was doing yeah nice job lindsay please send in suggestions this is actually kind of hard to find good people okay lindsay says send in suggestions i like it i have to anonymous send in some suggestions and hope and help you you could choose

okay all right Jared Goff and the rest of the lion's offense yeah one of the other particulars that are going to stress this team

definitely and also generally speaking how excited were you about the pass rush oh the Eagles pass rush yes oh it was awesome I mean like just to see how Vic could do the things he likes to do right less blitzing

fewer exchange pressures. He had a couple of effective ones like we talked about sending Cooper to Gene sending to Kobe Dean but for the most part four man rush impactful

that pocket was collapsing around love the whole game more stunts a lot more stunts than we've seen in the past stunts of various sorts

I mean Jalen Phillips and Jalen Carter look like they've been playing together for years like running some of those running some of those stunts same first name phonetically it's true

you know the Eagles can get all four of the linemen to have to be Js You think there's any impact in that there When it's Jailix, Jalen, Jalen, and Jordan, yeah, exactly. Yeah, you can get all four to be Jays. That's pretty good.

How often does that happen? You know, well, it might have to check. Yeah, percentage of snaps in which all four alignment have the same first level. I wonder what the, yeah, what is the highest percentage lineup in the NFL of one single letter for first name? it's a good research project I don't know Jay is a good candidate but I don't mean I don't mean

just the first I mean what team has a lineup in which the highest percentage of any letter is there 11 players on the field oh I see I see yeah I'm just saying Jay is a good candidate for the letter that that would be yeah I understand

it's a little bit that's a little basic I'm trying to get yeah yeah no no I don't know so good good good thing to research or is it you brought it there's also Josh Uche who's on the bet You know, you've got so, you've got a, I mean, this is defensive line.

The real secret to this, yeah, it's just the way they scout defensive linemen. They just look for jays. Yeah, I thought, I thought it was really cool how he could rely on the four-man rush and that led him also play some of those basic coverages that he loves to play. A lot of cover sick, a lot of cover eight this game, which means you're playing a safety over the field corner. And that was Adori Jackson in this game. So, Adori Jackson basically didn't have to play deep too much because he had Drew McCuba on his side the whole time

and then he played Quinyon Mitchell for the first time this year he played him to the boundary the entire game and excellent question asked a Vic Fangio yesterday in the presser he says with a high smile

perfectly worded question by our old friend Zach Berman where he asked Vic the David Baker guy yeah David Baker guy yeah real nice guy again I still have not

I've only read the book great and everybody should buy wherever books are sold he's a he's a great guy I've not seen the Eagles coverage Yeah, he covers the Eagles and he asked Vic about what goes into whether Quinion is on the field or the boundary. We've talked about how Quinnian's followed number one receivers this year as well.

And Vic just said, you know, sometimes it's a jersey number, sometimes it's a call I want to make. It depends on the game, what I do. And he's shown that throughout the season that he's willing to use Quignon in different ways. Very curious how he's going to use him in this game. It sounded like you think he's going to follow James and Williams. Yeah, I think so. He might. The Lions play, like, you know, St. Brown in the slot, about half the time.

More than half of his targets are in the slot, so probably not the guy you want to be following there. The issue with following a specific player, of course, is I don't know if that makes it easier schematically. If they don't care about the player that they're targeting Adori Jackson with, it might make it a little bit schematically easier to target Adori Jackson, right? by isolating him on one side. If you're following James and Williams, you put Williams and St. Brown on the same side, that guarantees that Adori Jackson's the only corner on the other side, and then are you going to be able to call coverages

that protect him as easily? So we're going to see. I think at some point, Vic's going to get tired of having to protect Adori Jackson, and we're going to start to see more Michael Carter out there, honestly. But if it continues the way it has. I mean, I know this last game was awesome, but it was awesome in large part due to the pass rush. I should apologize.

I was rude earlier. I did not return the favor. What is your favorite bean? I'm trying to think of, there's a Turkish kind of pinto bean. And it's not even the right translation, but it's the best English translation is pinto bean.

We call it barbunia in Turkish. And there's a white and a pink kind of pinto bean. And the white pinto bean from southern Turkey, Antalya, where my dad's family is from, is just the greatest bean there is. We have like an olive, like an olive oil-based way to prepare it where we eat it at room temperature. Okay. And then you can also be cooked hot with what makes it so good.

With ground beef or something. Just that like the texture, like the outside doesn't get too soft, but the inside is nice and soft. It's just perfect. And it works as a hot dish, as a cold dish. Like a good. It's one of the things I really, yeah, exactly. I really, crispy on the outside. Not really crispy, but, you know, nice and firm on the outside.

And, you know, like, Antalya's the only place you can get it. When I lived in Istanbul, I would, like, my grandmother would freeze it for me during the season. And I would take, like, frozen bags of it to Istanbul to cook there. It's not quite worth bringing all the way to the U.S., but it's a... I mean, I really... How good could it be then? I mean, just can't be filling our suitcase, which is already packed to the brim with frozen beans. But, yeah, no, I mean, it's also be very suspicious.

I actually think it's also illegal to bring in... Oh. bring in beans into the U.S. So yeah, you don't want to get caught up at customs trying to explain why we're bringing beans in.

Yeah, there you go. Lindsay, your favorite bean? I like white beans. Being sick. Okay. Like Navy beans or like what kind of white beans? I don't know how to say it.

It's like Cabell Cabala bean out or something like that. It's in some salad I make it They're good. Okay, cool. Big salad flex. All right. Healthy eater.

Let us know in the chat. What's your favorite bean? Comment below. Bean talk. Let's take a quick break. Not for the first time. Not for the first time. Let's take a quick break.

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I still haven't seen the mice. Never. Well, they've seen you. I'm sure they have. Okay, give us your leftovers on the Lions' Offense First Eagles defense, anything that's interesting to. How did you, were you surprised by the left-right usage of the edge guys? The Eagles edge guys?

Not really, like having the new guy play in the side that he's familiar. It makes sense. And also with Nolan Smith on a pitch count, you don't really need to prioritize where he's playing. I agree. It was interesting to hear BG talk about how he wishes he got to rush from the left. And he named the tackle. He was like, Zach Tom.

I wanted to rush against that guy. I mean, the guy couldn't stay awake and still had, I wish I could go against Zach Tom. Yeah, yeah. No, I really like that. Yeah, I'm guessing, at least in the foreseeable future, that that'll primarily be how it is. And we talked about Nolan Smith did play on the other side, his rookie year. Maybe they'll switch it up a little bit. Jalen Phillips had one or two snaps from the right.

He also had a couple where he was standing up. There was one call of drop eight cover four spy, which I don't think Fangio's ever played before with the Eagles, where Phillips was standing up inside and he ended up spying and it was just cover four behind it a lot of times when you're spying it's like you're playing man behind it I thought that was that was like

an interesting call and Phillips ended up getting a quarterback hit on that play where Love had to go out you know he rolled out to the right and Phillips is the one who ended up hitting him on the play so I thought that was that was cool to kind of see like he's willing to use Phillips in different ways

right off the bat like right from the first game so yeah it was cool have you ever purchased anything from Nordstrom's I don't know. I heard, I heard Vick say that and I was like, is Nordstrom's like a place I've ever even been before? I'm not sure. Yeah, I don't know. What do you get there? Suites? I don't think I'd be like you didn't listen to yesterday's show. I listened and you guys didn't seem to have any idea. You get clothes. Yeah, no, I understand that. But like, what kind of clothes is like fancy ones when you shop at Nordstrom? Yeah, there's this class that I, there's this class I teach at Wharton, which is like a first year MBA microclass, the mandatory class. It's the class where I taught Brandon Brooks. Okay. And in that class, the first year, the first time I was ever going to teach the class, the guy who had been teaching it for years, like, you know, was supposed to tell me, like, you know, stuff about it. And he's like, your experience. You know how to teach this class. Like, I don't need to tell you anything.

I was like, okay, fine, cool. You know, he's supposed to be like my mentor or whatever. And he was just like, you know, you know what you're doing. I can't teach you anything. Like, you've been doing this for years. And I was like, okay, thanks. You know, I'll be good. And then he's like, here, I'll send you a video of me teaching this from last year just in case you want to see it. And I was like, okay, sure, you know, whatever. And I click on it. He's wearing like a full suit tie, which I've literally never worn to teach before. So I like frantically text him.

And I'm like, dude, like, you wear a suit to teach this class? And he's like, oh yeah, like no one told you. Like, as a department, we decided this class is like our big like service class to the MBA department. Like we all have to wear a suit to teach this class. And the last time I wore a suit at that point was like five years before at some wedding that I like, you know, that didn't even fit me anymore. So I had to wear that tiny suit and looked terrible, the first class.

And then I frantically went to, you know, no free advertising, a place that's probably cheaper than Nordstrom's and had a, you know, had like three custom-made suits made for me, like, really fast. But that was like a- That's too bad. I was like panicky thing. That was going to be like a prank that he was playing on you.

No, no, no. It was like... First day you had to wear a suit, but then it was like, no. I was just joking around. Students ask all the time, why do you wear a suit? Like, and because no one else wears a suit. And I'm like, it's like a department thing.

Like, I don't know why. Like, this is just the way we do it. But anyway, you know, wear a suit. I see students in the- Everything I know about you. I cannot believe you abide by that. I mean, there are three professors. We each teach four of the sections.

The other two wear a suit. I can't not wear a suit. Like, that's, it's like, it's the team department policy. It's maddening to me. Listen, we went, we had COVID, and we went online. We come back from COVID. And I literally brought up in a meeting. I was like, you know how NBA coaches used to wear a suit on the sideline, on the, on the, on the, on the side line.

And it looked really ridiculous because they're in a basketball gym wearing a suit, and it makes no sense. Of course, they didn't know that. And then, and then, and then, and then, and then, uh, and then they came back from COVID, and they don't wear suits anymore, right? They wear like, comfortable clothing now in the NBA, right? And I was like, we're doing that too, right? And they were, they were like, they were like, no, what are you talking about? Of course we're going to keep wearing suits. I'm so annoyed All right

Well it's it's my best motivation to like I feel like this is the most surprising thing I've learned about you in a while It's not a choice that I have The funniest thing is I wear a suit 12 times a year Right it's just the teacher this class And and when I see students who have taken this class And they see me like it you know out out on the street or something

They always say like it's so weird to see you not in the suit Which is just very funny and it's like you see me literally Every single time I wear a suit you see me But that's it so yeah all right lions lions a lot of under center play action very effective one of the highest under center play action teams in the league they do it using a lot of gap scheme run action so defenses are actually biting on the play fake with pulling linemen moving blocking tight ends things like that um they played seven snaps with six offensive linemen last week best swooper deal

yesterday bow getting the fred johnson dan skipper item for one turkey you guys looked up how many snaps Dan Skipper played. Those were garbage time snaps where he was playing as the regular tackle. So they did play seven snaps with six sevens of linemen. Six of them were passes. So it's not like the Eagles where it's like, we're going to have Fred Johnson out there and run literally every single time that we have that package out there. So they'll do different things with, you know, throwing out of heavy personnel, played a lot more 11 personnel last time as well. What are we, what are we getting here? I like Dana is using me, but not using me, Selman. Yeah, there you yeah that's right um yeah so so that's the that's that's you know stuff that the eagles have to

look out for there is is not over committing to playing the run on some of those because they will have really effective play action out of it this is i bet i would guess got to play the boot uh well i would they run it at bg would be a great chance for bg to make it unbelievable yeah i mean throwing anybody else uh i imagine that those lines tell me if i'm wrong those lines numbers in terms of their pass rate on six offensive linemen stuff, I'm guessing that's more in line with league average, whereas, as you said, and I'm sure it's driving you nuts that the Eagles really only use it to run.

Yeah, I mean, most teams use it to run, but like the Eagles in this last game, 12 snaps of Fred Johnson and you run with, as the sixth lineman, I mean, well, 11 with Fred Johnson, one with Matt Pryor. All 12 of them were runs. I mean, at some point, it's like you have to keep them honest, and a lot of those runs are failed runs where Evan Williams is coming down from the sky unblocked to make the stop,

and you will not see a safety that confident flying down like that if you run play action at him once or twice, right? Like Evan Williams is there post-safety. He's the guy who's supposed to be the furthest guy back on passes. And for him to be the one making the stop near the line of scrimmage on a run means that he's confident from the snap that it's going to be a run. So you have to be a little bit less predictable in terms of whether you're running or passing. and the Eagles just have not done that very well at all.

Before we switch sides of the ball, I think this is a good time just talk in general about lions. Like all their numbers look better than the Eagles, right? Like better EPA per drive, both sides of the ball, better success rate, both sides of the ball, better series conversion rate, like, you know, more points for drive, like all these things. They look like they're the better team

when you just look at those numbers, but it's worth saying, and this is like a big theme throughout the season, they beat Tampa Bay at home. and that's their best win, okay? The Eagles beat Tampa Bay on the road and it's like their third or fourth best win, right? I mean, the strength of schedule

the Eagles have faced this year, the offenses face the 10th most difficult schedule, the defenses face the sixth most difficult schedule. The Lions, their offenses face the 21st most difficult schedule, and their defenses face the 20th most difficult schedule, and it's skewed. I mean, the Lions have lost three games. They are beating up on bad teams,

and that is skewing their numbers. I mean, they scored on every drive last week. against Washington, right? So that's going to make their numbers look really good. It's the fact that they haven't really been playing anybody. And so I don't think, like, people should look at that and be scared of this team. This is not like an unbeatable team or anything like that. Just wanted to get that out there.

They're beating up on, you know, like really, really bad defenses at times on the offensive side. All right. Last break. We're going to get into the Lions defense and a few things that have been really bothering. The professor about the cowardly Eagles, E.J. will join us. Much more to come. If joint or muscle pain is keeping you from doing the things you enjoy, whether it's walking the dog, working out, or just moving comfortably through your day, it's time to get the care

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new graphic. There it is. That is beautiful. Beautiful. Does my mic work? Whipping that up. Oh, well, stuff's falling apart. The professor is breaking stuff. E.J., how you doing it was broke the mic at my laptop at the same time? Well, I'm not positive as my mic on.

Yeah, doing great. Just left the Eagle's locker room. Not the most newsy of locker rooms, but I do have a couple updates for you. And I have been thinking about my favorite bean on the drive over here. And your answer? I want to say, like, there's, it's a two-part answer. answer. If you're just talking like workman-like, reliable, everyday beans, can't beat the black bean. The black bean is the goat of the beans, in my opinion. The goat. I like a black

bean. The gobe, maybe. Here's your one. Thank you. Thank you. If you're talking like flare, you know, like, oh man, that just hits the spot every once in a while. It is hard to beat a good kidney bean, especially in like a chili. Yeah. Like, if you're making a good chili, I feel like I'm not having, I feel like I'm not having kidney bean. I feel like I'm not having kidney bean. outside of chili I'm sure I was about to say the same thing yeah but like this very good at chili for sure high upside bean it's hard to beat the kidney beat in the chili but yeah less chile it needs the chili yeah it's like it's definitely like a system quarterback maybe that are like a yeah like a system quarterback or

like maybe like a corner that's like you only a cover two corner cover three corner that's yeah like an elite cover three corner is the kidney bean the black bean is like just your meat like potatoes you can you can put a black bean on How do you feel about a pinto? Wow. Shots fired at Zach Bond. No, I mean, it's like rocks. Maybe the best linebacker in the NFL?

I just talk. You're like a meat and meat and potatoes. Yeah, what did he do to you, E.J.? He was very nice to me when we talked, so I should be kinder to Zach Bonn. Zach Bond seems to be talking every day this week. You're talking about a little exclusive. Little side, a little on the side. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, I mean, he'd be teammates. Waste your time. E.J. I'm a little bit worried that about how, um, How I'm going to do with this jacket in the studio? It's probably not going to make it the whole show. No, that was not what I was going to say.

Did you not have time to take the jacket off? Rush it in here. It's fine. We'll see how long it lasts. It's not going to last long, though. Okay. Let's get to your nose. Do you wear the jacket when you drive?

Yeah. Oh, I never wear a jacket when I drive. I won't wear like a suit jacket, but I'll wear a jacket like this. Yeah. Yeah, the car hasn't warmed up yet. Really? No, I never. Sweating in the car is the worst.

I didn't sweat in the car. I think I can think of worse things. Got the lights. I mean, yeah, okay EJ The chat is wondering And I'm wondering Why you think I'm mad at you

Oh, because I made a mistake in our chat In our group chat yesterday And I thought I almost killed you I don't know what you're talking I don't think I told you that a certain Eagle's figure was not

Oh, that okay Yeah, yeah, no I got you That was that was funny But yeah that wasn't that wasn't I'll just share. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't see Kevin Petulah on the schedule,

so I told Danes that he wasn't speaking this week, and DeNiz had a connipion. And then I was like, actually he is speaking. It's just during locker room. It's very funny since it wasn't true, but if it had been true, I would have been very angry that Kevin Petulow was like running from the media

after the offense looked so bad. But yeah, since he did actually talk, we can talk about why I was angry at what he said instead of why I was angry that he wasn't going to say anything. All right, let's get to EJ's notebook. What do you have for? So we heard from Cam Juergens in the locker room who said that he is not sure if he's going to play, but honestly, I think he's trending in that direction. He said he has boxes left to check through the weekend to be able to play.

He said he's going to wear a knee brace if he does play, and he said that he's sort of not thrilled about that. He said he wore knee braces in college and wanted to be done with that. So that was the big news from the Eagles locker room. And then did you know that, hey, you know, I'm going to save that one. I'm going to save it for a story. but I've spent most of my time asking about a few players. And I did have a good conversation with Zach Bonn. You're not going to tell us what you...

All right, fine. I mean, competing reporters won't, like, be listening this far into the show, will they? I'm sure they will, but what do you prioritize the show or your articles? I mean, both. All of the people in the chat are just two to them for the other beat reporters. Zach Bonn, I talked to Zach Bonn about Moro Jomo calling out the inside zone. And he is, I think he's a little bit wary of that being impressive to people.

Okay. He's like, we all knew that it was inside zone that way. Like, I don't know if you saw the, I know DeNiz has seen this and we're not in overtime, so I'm going to have to clean this up. But when Jehad Campbell, like, called out that it was a pass. I think it was against the Rams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Zach Bonn is like, it's third down dummy.

Yeah, yeah. Like, I think this was another one of those for Zach Bonn. He's like, we all kind of knew it was inside zone. okay that's funny yeah so so yeah but but i think it's noteworthy that after the game jacobs himself said when you hear a guy call out a play like that it kind of affects you and he said he flat out said it kind of made me not want to not want to run that way and i did think that he cut to the right a little bit earlier than he normally would now if you if you watch that play ojamo like splits the double team right away but he ends up on the ground like away from

the ball like that double team ends up getting him down so So if he had kept running and if he had evaded Jalen Carter, who pushes the right guard back, like that gap was actually open. Yeah. Because Moro Jumah was on the ground. Like so I thought that like him calling it out might have actually had an impact on the play, not because he was telling his teammates about it because they all knew, but because the running backs, like it was messing with with Jacobs's mind and he ended up cutting

maybe a little bit earlier than he would have. So maybe. I wouldn't have thought that if he hadn't said it. Like he, like I thought he, if you watched the film, like he's cutting to avoid Jalen Carter, who pushes the right guard back, like, right away. But I thought it was interesting that, like, he flat out said, to be honest, it kind of made me not want to run that way. That's interesting. So we should probably play a game of telephone here, like, and let Zach Bond know, like, maybe you should start calling out more place. Yeah, I like that.

Seed of doubt. Yeah. Call, even if you don't think it's right, like, call the thing that you don't want them to do. Just can. Yeah. Yeah. It's like. Well, then you get like to Cam Newton. Like, it's, what was, what was the call that Luke Key, had against Luke Kikley. No, no, Luke Kekley was his teammate

he was talking to was it Erlocker? No, it was one of the great linebackers and he's definitely a white guy. It's that screenplay or something

and Kams like, he's like you've been watching film? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, watch this. It was like I think he kept it, right? Yeah, who was it? It's that wheel route.

It was Clay Matthews. Clay Matthews, yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, nice job. It's so funny because I was thinking about exactly that earlier

and I also first went to Luke Keeckley, but that's because he was Cam Newton's team. Yeah, and you just think when you think, like, great linebackers from 10 years ago. Right. And that was cool. It's tough to beat Luke Kikley. Oh.

What? I don't know. Are you going to say that about Zach Bond in the future? Is it just meat and potatoes for you? You know what I meant? Nekobi characterized Zach Baum like that last year. I think that's why it's stuck in my head. Right.

You know, like, as a reporter, like the money quote gets stuck in your head, like just meat and potato. Those linebacker play. It's a good quote. Since you were mentioning the Eagles... I had something and I forgot so that's... Go ahead. Just I've been trying to track the Lions injury situation.

I thought it was interesting like Sam LaPorteurter, Terry and Arnold and Kirby Joseph all missed practice yesterday. Kirby Joseph missed the last couple of games. And Arnold's on the concussion protocol too. Arnold's concussion protocol. Amique Robertson apparently said in the locker room that he was going to play because he was also questionable. But they didn't have an update on Terry and Arnold.

Also, Penae Sewell was limited on Thursday. and apparently missing from practice today with an ankle. So, you know, there's just like a lot of guys. Like, so there's a chance that they might be missing like an important player. Yeah, absolutely. And by comparison, the Eagles had all 53 out there.

We'll see what Cam Juergens' designation is. But yeah, they're a lot more, a lot healthier for sure. When Kirby Joseph, who's there, who's basically their post safety, missed the game last week. Thomas Harper was the starter. But noteworthy for Eagles fans, Avanti Maddox had a couple of series playing as the post safety.

and he actually got called out by Kelvin Shepard, their defense coordinator. Well, he calls everybody. Yeah, he was just like, oh, Maddox has to make that play on that fourth down. And then, you know, he called out a couple of other guys by name as well. I thought it was, I thought it was kind of funny. I don't think the players like that calls players out. Yeah. I mean, I appreciate the honesty.

It's definitely different than the Eagles staff. It's certainly different than Nick Siriani. Yes, the Eagles coaches. Well, yeah, Nick Siriani in particular. I think it's easy. Like, if you're Nick, I think he deserves like, credit and I also think it's like kind of an easy way to get credit for taking bullets for your players in the public eye. So I understand why Nick does it, you know, keeps the locker room

together. But listen, I mean, as somebody who sits in those press conferences, I appreciate honesty. Absolutely. I mean, he, there's a few more honest than a, I, I'm, now, his name is escaping me. Hi. Kelvin Shepard. Kelvin Shepard. Yeah. Fick Fangio. Is that what you call him? No. I thought you, I thought you intentionally, I don't know which one you were talking about. Fick Fangio like fake Vic Fangio I think that's good I was just gonna say someone has to I mean I was gonna

I would have gone someone has to say something hours on Fick Fangio no I just wasn't going to say anything So is this like Dante Smith Is this gonna be your thing now like just knows of all my jokes Devante Smith Professor

as we flipped to the offensive side of the ball at 257 has been awesome this year and probably lost in the AJ Brown conversation and how much is the offense not taking advantage of AJ Brown

is how much Devante Smith has taken a bit of a leap Yeah I mean when you look at Devante Smith this year 10.6 yards per target by far his career high over a yard more than any year before highest DPA per target as well

one of the highest DPA per targets in the league he's getting targeted exactly as much as A.J. Brown this year like there's this narrative that like A.J. Brown is not getting targeted and DeVante Smith is but like their targets per route is exactly the same. Targets per game is exactly the same. A.J. Brown missed a game

that's why his overall targets are a little lower. A.J. Brown is catching 57% of his targets. Devante Smith is catching 77% of his targets. I mean, like, just think about that difference. And that's a big reason why. 20 percentage points. Like, yeah, that's good, Bo. Three yards per target more, you know, that Devante Smith is getting.

His career high of 10.6, compare that to A.J. Brown's career low by a mile of 7.6. AJ Brown was getting over 11 yards per target last year So there's a big difference in Like what you're generating when you're throwing to these guys And we talk about how you're not getting any yak at all In this offense in general It's not like DeMonte Smith's getting a lot either But just to get a sense of like the way they're using AJ Brown

And one of the reasons he's not effective AJ Brown has 100 yards of yak total for the season so far 28 of them came on those two plays against the Rams Yeah Like they're just not doing anything that can generate yak for him which is making his effectiveness very limited because you're throwing low percentage balls to the outside to him, those kinds of things.

And Devante Smith's making catches down the field for explosives. And so that's why these numbers look the way they do. But he's been great. There's a sentiment out there that the reason that AJ's yards after catcher down, do you need to go, do we need to go now? Let's get, let's table this.

Go ahead, go ahead. No, let's do it. Can I do it? Oh, wow. Wow. We're going to continue this conversation in Bovertime. How's that?

What a thief. Wow. Come on. You shouldn't you be proud for me? Proud of me. It's not your first time? I think it's the first time I've had to do it. I stumbled a little bit,

but we got there. You didn't give it a little shimmy. I did. I went like this. So, Dana, one of the one of the sentiments that's out there is that the reason that AJ's yak is down

is not because of like his usage, but his yak's down, but I'll tell you what, his yap is way up. I knew you were going to do that. Lindsay, I think, do we have. have the yacht graphic? Yes, we do. This is the, um, uh, big plays. No, this is no, it's the

air yacht. Yeah. It's a good, it's a good like graphic that shows the contrast between these two offenses as well, where the lions throw the ball deep by far the least of any team in the NFL. Jared Goff's air yards like per attempt are 29th in the NFL, whereas Jalen Hertz is third. But the yak generated by these offenses is drastically different. So Jared Goff's, is in the very upper left of that graph because they're really good at getting yak per completion. There's second in the league. And Jalen Hertz is 31st in the league on this offense.

So you're saying the reason. There's that this is not something where it's, oh, well, AJ isn't creating the same level of separation or, you know, he's not the same player. He's not, he's not doing that either. Yeah, but next-gen stats numbers on separation, AJ Brown's separation is nowhere close to Duvante Smith. Do you attribute it more to the level that AJ is playing at

or more to the way that he is being used and the way that the Eagles offense is currently structured. Well, like, part of it is you watch the film and you're trying to figure out, like, is A.J. just being lazy here. Is he not trying or is he declining physically or whatever it is? And then there's also the coach's decisions on how to use him, right? So the Eagles ran under center play action five times in this game against Green Bay. On the first three, AJ Brown's not on the field.

And it's like you have a sequence of plays where A.J. Brown is on the field. And these heavy personnel looks like, and they're running the ball. and then they take him off the field in a heavy personnel look and they run under center play action and Darius Cooper's on the field running like a deep route on that. Yeah.

And so it's like free slips. Yeah, where Darius Cooper slipped. This happened three times in the first half where they run under center play action and the first one ends up being a throwaway. The second one should have been an interception that Jalen threw across his body to Dallas got her.

And then the third one, they stopped doing the outside zone like bootleg stuff and they started doing the like thing where Jalen only half turns. and when he does the half turn play action so he doesn't completely turn his back to the defense the linebackers don't bite at all I mean you're just not like accomplishing anything with that

you may as well just run shotgun play action if you're going to do that or yeah whatever I mean no one bites on the shotgun play action either that's why I thought you know you could do that but and that one was broken up so these were like all unsuccessful well one of them was successful but it was lucky the other two were unsuccessful and all three have AJ Brown not on the field

so to me it's like this is exactly when you want AJ Brown on the field running some sort of inbreaker behind the linebackers that you're sucking up into the play action like he should be the guy

that you're featuring on this having him and DeMante out there together would be a great chance to give him an opportunity to generate yak and to generate some sort of positive play and the fact that they're taking him off the field on those

like it's either malpracticed by the coaches or there's something about what they're seeing from AJ Brown that makes them not want him on the field there if you're asking why would you ever want was coming off of injury to be fair that could have been part of it

yeah but it's like why selectively on the he's still played a lot of snaps right so okay Darius Cooper why would you have him on the field I think they're overthinking it they're like they're like Darius Cooper is Boolfe's favorite player and we got to throw him a bone no I think what it is is like he's their third best receiver in the past when Darius Cooper was on

the field best receiver right now they're very likely to run the ball right they were they were using Darius Cooper as kind of a dirty work blocker in the run game so it's like if we have Darius Cooper out there, they're going to think we're going to run it. Okay, that's cute the first time, right? But the second and third time, like, when you're only bringing them out to run under center play action, like, you're almost like, like the second time it happened, I was literally

like on TV watching the game thinking, oh, I bet this is under center play action again because they have the undercenter play action package out there with 12 personnel and Darius Cooper is one of the wide receivers. So I don't know. I just think, I think at some point, like they overthink some of the personnel stuff and they don't think enough about like Nick says all the time, like players. What is it? Players plays. Players formation plays. Yeah. So it's like like players like is supposed to be first.

Players plays formations. Okay. Players plays formation sounds right. And it's like like the opposite. It's players formations plays. I think so. Yeah. In any case, players is first on the list. And I feel like if players is first and AJ Brown isn't declining, he should be on the field on especially those plays. Like if we're going to take him off the field, take him off the field, you know, on on the plays where he's running like random clear outs. Do you think E.J. knowing AJ as you do that those two things are a little bit intertwined, like that his frustrations with the way he's being used are bleeding into the way that he is playing on the field? I think that I think that it is as likely as the scenario in which he is just not the same player. I think that like the frustration that he is. And the other thing I want to say about it is like his frustration is obvious.

He has stated how frustrated he is. So I think it, I would argue it's even like, I, it like, it backs up my argument that like from beginning, from the beginning of the season when we talked about how does he look, is he the same player? Is he dealing with an injury? I feel like he just has always been someone who floats through games when he's frustrated. I would like I'm going to like get out ahead of this though because I think there is that sentiment like he's not the same player. He's not, you know, he is not like Fran and I talked about it yesterday and you guys kind of like both like winced when I said, I think that. he is, like, still a top five receiver when he is at his best. I still think that player's there. I know that it hasn't really been there for him this year, but I think that it's probably more complicated than just saying that he's lost a step. You know, it kind of reminds me of Stefan Diggs when the Vikings traded him, where it was like, is this player maybe not the same caliber of player that he was

over the last few seasons this year? And then you see him in a change of scenery and he's like rejuvenated. I think, like, if the offense looked a different way, we saw it against the Rams. We got a glimpse of it against the Rams, what AJ can do. The separation numbers are hard to argue against, but like, AJ's game has never really been like pure separation. It's been I am more physically dominant than the player across from me. And like the stop routes against the Rams are a good example of that where it's like, I'm just going to run right through that guy and make an explosive play out of nothing. So I think if you got like a more engaged AJ Brown, a more involved AJ Brown, you probably still get an elite level player, you know, out of what you would get from him in those scenarios.

Yeah, that's why it's hard to like look at the fourth and sixth and be like, well, he didn't show. effort on that, which a lot of people have said, like a lot of times it doesn't look like he's showing effort and the late hands, he makes the play, right? And so, but to use the late hands, the ball has to be maybe a little more accurate. The fall ends up a little bit too far on the inside. And so now the question becomes, like, if you fight through the contact there, do you have a chance to make the play, maybe get a flag? It'd be very, like, unlikely for them to throw a flag in that situation. But I don't know. That fourth and six, by the way, like both, you know, both Nick and I think it was mainly Nick

like in a couple of different places this week referencing past plays that made them that they had success with on that three plays in particular from last year right they had a 40 yarder these are all go balls down the left side line to AJ right they had the 40 yarder to seal the game on second and 11 against Cleveland that was an alert at the line of scrimmage by Jalen

just like this one was he gives them the little thumbs up thumbs down 41 yarder on fourth and three at the Giants in the big Sakewan game against the Giants like that was a fourth and three, 41-yard or down the sideline. And then in the NFC championship game, there was a fourth and five where they threw the 31-yard or down the sideline as well,

which Siriani referenced when someone said, like, I think it was John Ritchie on WIP, it was like, I was thinking punt there, coach. And Nick was like, I'm sure you were thinking punt on fourth and five in the NFC championship game, too. You know, we know how anecdotal they are. Completely different situations. On those kinds of things there.

I didn't think it was obvious what to do on fourth and six, for the record. I know Joe Kearns was in the chat asking what I thought about it. Um, I didn't, I spent the entire sequence of the first three downs where they're running out the clock with thinking what you should do on fourth down, not knowing what the distance would be, of course. Um, I just didn't think it was obvious. Like I, I think if, if I had to make the call, I probably would have punted. But this like outrage in the city that it was like moronic not to punt is is is overboard. I think you could easily come up with like realistic looking percentages of chance of converting and how much. better a chance you have of winning by putting it down the field like a few extra yards there. I think like you win the game when you when you convert six yards. Now when you throw the go ball, it makes it look worse because it looks like a low percentage play.

I didn't think it was obvious that you should just punt it there for sure. Most of the analytics I saw did say that the punt was the like the punting would have increased your win properly. Yeah, it was lean punt. A lot of those models like like Ben Baldwin like has a model right and he doesn't he doesn't even like use it in the last two minutes. he doesn't trust it. Like he thinks like models are in the last two minutes like those models are a little bit

wankier like ESPN analytics like models like they trust their models a little bit too much. I actually think ESPN analytics has a lot of horrendous models like about other things. So, um, you know, like if you if you, again, if you ask me, I would, I probably would have punted, but it's really, really close. It's something the very specific amount of time left where, where punting really was worth it, even if it was punted into the end. Because it's the difference, like, there was, you know. Maybe there was a little bit of, there were some issues with protection in the punts earlier

where a couple of them almost got blocked. Like, that might have been a factor. Yeah. I also think like, I don't know, like, when you, when you like look at, let Jalen punt. He said he did it in high school. Yeah, he said his dad is a lot of them that asked him to punt. One of the, one of the things that, like, like made it seem really weird was how conservative they were earlier in the game, right?

I think, like, a big part of the criticism was. Oh, if you're so aggressive that you're going forward on fourth and sixth there, why don't you ever try to throw the ball on third and long, right? This 19-yard touchdown against Jacksonville last year on a draw, might have been the worst thing that happened. Yeah, seriously. Like, Nick references it every time. He's like, I think, and they pretend that they are like trying to,

they pretend that they were just remembering it. They're like, I think it was against Jacksonville. We had that 19-yard. And then Petulow and the presser yesterday, this drove me crazy. He would have been better if he hadn't had a oppressor. He goes, like, if you look back at the Jacksonville game, I think it was a third and 20-something, and we handed it off and got a touchdown.

So it's growing in their minds. Like, it was 19 yards, okay, not 20-something. Next week, it's going to be like, remember that third and 72 we have against Jacksonville? It was the tank big. I'm about saying it's going to be the second at 26. Oh, right, right, right. Which they're all calling.

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, that wasn't third down. That was second down. Speaking that in there soon. It's, yeah, it drives me crazy that they don't try to convert. And like, we talked about the backed up stuff last week. But Tullo did the same thing again this week. They were like, oh, those third and long, he's like, well, one of them was a check. And then, you know, one of them was backed up. And one of them was after we went backwards. Guess what?

For it to be third and 12, you have to have gone backwards. Like, there will never be a third and 12 where he didn't go backwards before because you start with 10 yards to go. So if you're 12 yards to go, you have to have gone backwards. That cannot be a reason not to try to get it. Like this idea that like, we've had negative plays. And so we can, can't have the next one, like, like, you know, run like a normal play because it's going to be negative again. It's ridiculous. Like, it is a prerequisite that you've been doing a bad job for it to be third and 12. You can't just be like we've been doing a bad job and therefore we can't try to get it. Like, it is just maddening to me that they keep using this as an excuse.

And why can't you throw the ball when you're backed up? I don't understand this. Like, it's third and 12 from your own 10, so you're not allowed to throw the ball. Like, this is outrageous to me, like that they keep, that they keep saying this and using this as an excuse and saying, oh, you know, guys don't understand a lot goes into it and then they explain it and it doesn't sound like a lot goes into it at all like they're just like we're backed up so we can't try we had a loss on the previous play so we can't try by the way the Eagles if you look at like league-wide plays that they call based on what just happened on the play before they are more predictable based on that than other teams like if they throw for a first down they're much more likely to throw on the next

play if they run for a first down they're much more likely to run on the next play compared to other teams, like relative to the league. Okay. Like, I really think they're like, oh, we're rolling with this, so let's do this. Yeah. And it's just, it's just very frustrating to me. Not to mention, oh, another one that's really like this. End of the half.

Well, I was going to say, which, what angers you more is the end of the half? The end of the half. The end of the half probably angers me more because there's like no downside at all to throwing a Hail Mary or something. And on WIP, Nick said, at the end of the half, I love this. This is just like the, this is just like the one you go backwards. He goes, at the end of the half, on less time. is limited, we're always going to try to score. Well, guess what, Nick? Literally the definition

of the end of the half is the time is limited. Like, that's what makes it the end of the half is that the time is running out. So that can not be the reason that you're not trying to score. Like, what are we talking about? And he also said, like, oh, you know, the first couple of plays weren't successful. Same thing again. Like, you know, they throw the incompletion to DeMonte Smith on second down. And suddenly that's like a reason not to try on third down. You hand it off to Will Shipley? Just outrageous. Like, like, like, Like, it's just, just maddening to me. Like, oh, we had an incompletion.

Well, guess what? Teams go incomplete, incomplete, incomplete, complete all the time. Like, all the time. That's how third down works. The reason it's third down is because you didn't get the first down on first or second down. Like, you can't get to third down any other way. So this idea that like, oh, you know, it's third down now because we messed up the first two down. So let's not drive.

What are we talking about? If you don't, if you forget that for the Eagles, it's first a nine. Well, yeah. Yeah. That's, maybe that's what it is. Like, you know, end of half. There's no time. to do the sneak, so there's no point

in running the play to set it up. I don't know. It's, it's, it's very, very, truly insane. Yeah, it's got to come off now. Danes is heating up. I think there have been, I think there have now been like nine end of halves, at least in the last two years, which have driven me crazy.

And think about all the end of halves where they don't have the ball. I mean, like, this is, this is like more than half of the end of halves where they've had the ball. Yeah. Have driven me crazy. All right. Sorry. Well done. Was that cathartic for you?

Like, do you feel better now? I've done this rant like five times this week in random settings, but yeah, no, I'm still, I'm just, you know, poor Emily, like, has to hear some of this. And then, like, you know, students, students ask me, like, students will come up to me in the hall and, like, ask me about it. Like, what, what did you think of this and stuff? And I just go on this like, and you, you adjust your tie. Yeah, for sure. Trying to loosen the tie. Okay.

It's not going to get fixed, too. because they're so convicted. But it goes to the team they want to be is conservative, conservative, conservative, hunt the big play. Yeah, Lindsay, I think there's a graphic for this, right? This is the big plays and turnovers. And turnovers.

This is the core, who they want to be. Nick Siriani's favorite thing to talk about, right, is the double positive. Like winning the double positive, like we want to have more big plays and more turnovers. This is just looking, or fewer turnovers. This is just the offensive side of the ball. and this shows that the Eagles are

among the top teams in top three, top four in avoiding EPA loss from turnovers, right? They had a turnover in this last game so that lowered it a little bit. And then on big plays, they're one of the top teams.

They don't get like a large volume of like 10 plus yard plays, but they do get a large volume of 20 plus yard plays compared to the rest of the league. So EPA from 20 plus yard plays, they are eighth in the league. So they're in the upper right.

you see the lines are in the upper right as well, along with the bears, interestingly, who have the same record as the lions, by the way. A big Black Friday matchup coming up in a few weeks. The three-and-outs, we can look at the three-and-out graph, are still historically high. So when you look at this team, like, they're going three-and-out more than any offense since 2014.

I'm just going to keep mentioning this every week because it's crazy. But they're doing what they want to do. But they're scoring touchdowns because they are really good at protecting the ball, getting explosives so that when they do get first downs, they're big first downs, and they're still awesome in the red zone. I mean, they are number one in the red zone, 81%, number one in goal to go rate,

as EJ knows from Swooper, 100% still. And as long as that continues, they're going to keep scoring points, but we talked last week about how those things are not sustainable. And you can't just keep on giving up these opportunities to score at the end of the half, on third and long.

They had a third and 12. They threw the ball to DeVante Smith. That looked pretty good to me. on that play. I know. It's not like they can't. It's not like they can't do it. So yeah, it's just like we keep saying something has to give. They wouldn't be though. Yeah, I mean, they're doing what they want. They want to go three and out like a third of the drives as long as they're not turning the ball over. What's interesting about it is like they are just not built like from a roster standpoint to be this type of team.

Like they play on offense. They play like stay out of the way of the defense on the special team. That's like the most spite having the most expensive offense in the end. And that's the thing that AJ is kind of hating right now, right? Like when you talk about like, you know, he's like, we can't just keep slapping a bandaid on it and saying, you know, when the defense bills us out. But you think it brings him back to Tennessee? Do you think that's part of it?

You know, it's funny because like he's always been in run first offenses. You think it is like a Tennessee like comparison. I feel like he. I think he's been through like, this is how we win. We're winning games this way. And then they get to the playoffs and they can't play offense. I would say this is a more extreme example. And like if you're AJ,

I don't know if the Tennessee comparison. it's water because like those Tennessee offenses were built around like we're just going to like bludgeon teams with Derek Henry and then AJ is the change up this offense the Eagles offense is way more talented than that like they should be able to play like you know what did they just say like let your takers do the taking let your killers go to work yeah like those that is like a different this eagle's offense is different than that Tennessee offense so I feel like it's probably even more frustrating for AJ like even if you took the Tennessee scenario out of it it's so hard to read AJ's mind and you guys have certainly been trying we've been trying all week so I don't want to

get into it too much but I'm always wondering like is AJ in all this communication that he talks about that he has what the coach is and Petulow says he's in his office all the time and these kinds of things is it like the calling of the plays that he's frustrated with is it the sequencing is it what Jalen ends up doing because he went he went out of his way to protect Jalen this he did yes like which was which was yeah I thought that was like the most surprising thing that he did. He said, look, he's got pressure in his face. He has a lot to worry about. You can't just take a screenshot and say I was open.

You know, there's that crosser out of Bunch where they run Bunch and his guy gets completely picked by John Dotson's guy and he's just wide open. And, you know, Fran did a good job breaking that one down. It was a post-wheel concept to Seekwan but a very natural right to left read

should put Jalen's eyes on A.J. screaming open down the middle of the field. It's man coverage. You got bunch. Your guy got picked. Like, it's a perfect opportunity and I guess the pressure he thought there was more pressure than there was yeah and it's just like like if AJ gets that ball

is he less frustrated is he on if AJ if AJ catches the the fourth and six like yeah it's a better ball is he less frustrated no it's so hard to tell because against the Vikings against the Vikings against the Vikings against the Vikings he like caught two touchdowns and made a big impact in the game you could argue he was the main reason they won that game and he still wasn't happy

I think it comes down to the approach and the philosophy of the Eagles offense, which is like it's not so simple as saying Jalen, Patulo, Siriani, one of them specifically, it is the collective, as to use a word from Jalen here, it is a collective of the group, the way that they want to play offensively. And I think when AJ makes waves or kicks up dust, however he's characterized it in the past, he's trying to will the Eagles offense to look a certain, a different way. You think about the Panthers game that led into the Steelers game where they had one of their best games in the regular season last year. Like the examples are there where usually when he does this, the Eagles offense does come a little bit closer to the middle of the spectrum when it comes to the conservative approach they've had this year and being a little bit more aggressive. What was interesting is like, you know, after the cryptic Bible verse, it didn't seem like it actually worked. And then you saw him kind of come out the next few weeks and be more like apathetic, you know, kind of talk about like, it's your first show. and talk about like how he's starting not to care anymore right is your voice i know which was trippy i didn't like that um but i do i think that it comes down to like wanting the offensive

approach to look different and that's like where you don't get the sense from like players in the locker room that they feel differently that you know it seems like guys agree with a j that like the offense has to be better and that he should be a big part of it but i'm just like not convinced it's going to change in the way that he wants it to change yeah I mean, I don't fully, I think he's just not, I think he's just unhappy. And sometimes when you're unhappy, there's no logic to, like, he might not be exactly sure what he wants, you know, like, like, I'm sure there's a certain way the game could go where it's just like, okay, this is what I wanted.

But there are a lot of like kind of gray area ways the game can go, like the Minnesota game where he has over 100 yards and two touchdowns. And he's still like, yeah, didn't get enough targets in the first half or something. Like, there's always going to be something. And it's just hard when, especially because the offense is trying so hard to find. an identity and it's like you come out and you run under center runs and he wants to be in the first quarter like he's made that clear he wants to be the one he wants to be the guy that they he would he would look at like the three and out percentage and go like you a team that i'm on shouldn't be shouldn't have

that problem like the first third down no matter what it is like he wants to be the player that wills them down the field and i honestly think he's earned that and i understand where he's coming from you you might not agree with the way that he's gone about it i'm not going to tell people that they should, but I do understand that from being around him since the summer. Like, he wants to be the driving force, the way that Seyquan Barkley was last year. And he really hasn't had the opportunities for a multitude of reasons. I feel like the identity would be a good nickname for somebody. That is good. That is good. Who would be the general? Yeah, it would be kind of funny if it would be like a shot across the bow. Like I'm taking my name to the identity. And I Ron,

oh, if he named himself that, because if like, if we started doing that, if we coined it, also I I've seen thick fancio in the chat. I don't know how to feel about that nickname. But shout out to Nunya who says EJ coined and minted. Didn't want me to swipe that one. But that's all yours, chat. But yeah, it would be kind of mean if we were like, AJ, your nickname is the identity when he's not, in fact, the identity.

Unless he is. And that'd be like you calling me bovertime guy when you're never going to let me do it again. no it wouldn't all right whatever leftovers you got well we can we can transition to how the lion's defense is going to play against aging okay

we you know you guys talked yesterday with fran about how the lions play a lot of man coverage I know Mina was on with you guys saying that she didn't think that they play that way because of this matchup but you also contextualize that even though the lions are like the most

man coverage. It's still 39% man. Yeah, it's still more zone. Yeah, exactly. There's not a single team in the NFL that plays more man than zone. So, yeah, they're 30th in zone, fourth in man. When you look at the way they use their personnel, it is fascinating. It's very different than other teams and also the way they approach the pass rush.

So 60% of the time they play in base, that includes 94% of the time when the opponents are in heavy personnel. The league average for that number, by the way, is 65%. Eagles are right around that. When this is against heavy personnel only, teams are still in nickel a third of the time. The lions are never in nickel against that. They will always play in base. And Kelvin Shepard, who was a linebacker himself as a player, played against the Eagles on the Giants, on the dolphins. He said that his three linebackers, and we're talking about Jack Campbell is the middle linebacker.

Alex Anzolone is the other off ballbacker. And then you've got Derek Barnes, who is kind of their hybrid. He can play on the end of the line of scrimmage as an edge. can also play off the ball. He said that the three of them and also Brian Branch, who's the strong safety, who's played nickel in the past, who can cover wide receivers one-on-one, basically lets them play base in a way that other teams can't do. Now, when they switch to nickel, which again, they play the least nickel of any team, but when they switch to it, they take one of the defensive tackles off the field, and they still keep all three linebackers on the

field. So this is the only team in the league that plays all three linebackers all the time, which is fascinating, given our discussion here in Philly, like, we have three great linebackers, what can we do? Well, if you gave them to Kelvin Shepard, he would leave them all on the field all the time, which is interesting usage there. So they'll take... But they don't have more of Ojima. They don't have more Ojoimo. That's right.

And what it is, is like they have Alim McNeil, who's their kind of three-tech pass-rushing defensive tackle. DJ Reader, I love that reference. DJ Reader, the nose tackle, comes off the field and they don't replace them with a pass-rushing D-tackle. Instead, they replace them just with the nickel back. That's it. And so what you have is all three linebackers are just kind of hovering around a three-man line. You don't know who's going to rush and who's not.

But a shocking amount of the time, I'm going to find it right now, 18% of the time, first in the league by a mile, they only rush three. So they're dropping eight into coverage, eight or more into coverage, 18% of the time.

League average is 4%. So that's something that Jalen has struggled with in the past. It lets you spy with a guy and it also lets you play. and it also lets you play various types of... It also explains the brand numbers about the slow time to pressure. Okay.

Yeah, I think that's right. If you're only rushing with three and one of them's kind of like a zero attack who's just kind of there to occupy a guy, it's going to be harder. Aidan Hutchinson plays almost exclusively to the weak side on the edge. So rather than do left and right,

what they'll do is whatever side Barnes is on, which is typically the tight end side, they will have Hutchinson on the other side. That lets Tyler Lacey, who's more of a kind of hybrid player tuck inside as the edge on the other side. So he usually has his hand on the ground with Barnes outside him standing up

and Hutchinson will rush from whichever side is the weak side. That's typically how they use Hutchinson. So it's not a matter of like he's going to get matched up against Lane or matched up against uh, matched up against Jordan. This is kind of the way the Seahawks used Michael Bennett. It's, it's actually like

that's the defense that this reminds me of the most stylistically because they did the weak and strong with the edge rushers, which a lot of teams don't don't do. If someone told you that they got you tickets to see DJ Reader what kind of performance do you think you would expect to see

man such a bad name for a DJ right is you gonna just be sitting up sounds like it's just being boring yeah yeah like DJing an audio book yeah but that'd be DJ listener no I mean oh yeah you're right we have had this conversation before

EJ do you appreciate when a guy doesn't use the dots so like DJ reader doesn't have the periods it's just DJ oh I love that yeah I don't like I see the guys you're like no it's like you do that EJ like why are we taking ourselves so seriously here like we don't need the we don't need the dots in your name and was it EJ Jenkins that the eagles like have wrong yeah they have it wrong yeah yeah I've had enough conversations about this where I'm confident in my reporting on this that's why you got to look at my depth charts that I post you know I got it I got it right on there yeah um real quick about this last game he was upset about the explosives they

gave up Kelvin Shepard and what do you know something yeah yeah he's like Avanti Maddox sucked on that play you know like we got to do better than that he was very happy with their on defense and the Eagles were so bad running the ball last week I am just curious if this is going to turn into one of those things again where I'm just like stop running it so much on early downs it's really making it hard to especially because you're going to give up on third down when it doesn't go well they got beat on explosives they do these exotic rotations into into coverages where they sometimes they'll disguise themselves out of coverage, which is an expression that Fran

loves to use. Brian Branch starts in the box and he has to become a cover to safety. They give up about 41 yard post on that play to Washington last week. So I think it was the first drive. So those are the kinds of things that they can get beaten on and they have gotten beaten on. If Terry and Arnold can't play, we're talking

Rakia sin is the next guy in a corner, right? And Amique Robertson, the other corner is also limited as we've said. So I mean, there should be matchups on the outside that the Eagles can exploit if they're willing to throw the ball and willing to try to get guys matched up on them we'll we'll see how that goes rock yassin the temple guy for at least a year i did i had to double check

that i was like i'm pretty sure he played for temple yeah one season one season didn't he come out from temple yeah that's why you and he's a temple guy yeah but yeah just really kind of like me full sentence all star i transferred into uh is yeah is that a full sentence yes rock rock rock is a verb Rock yassin Rock yassin Rock yesin Oh It's a little bit of a stretch

But okay I'll give it to you His rock is real name Do you know? It reminds me that If you ask my son Whose favorite baseball player is He'll tell you Rock Rains

Just big Big Rock Rance guy Is that something That you've I told him he was my favorite player Growing up Okay there He might have been influenced by that, yeah.

I always joke, this is really off the rails here, but my dad's favorite son, even though he's only actually got me, is a guy named Rock. Okay. Why? Because, like, my dad was a coach, and, like, this guy is, like, a mentee of him.

I feel like if you're a football coach, you're going to love a guy named Rock. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. For sure. You're going to get a few more snaps than you actually deserve if your name is Rock.

Yeah. My dad, I mean, listen, my dad loves me. It's just a joke. I think we know that. Yeah. Shout out to Rock. He's a good guy. This is not really related.

It's just something I've been wanting to talk about. Fred Johnson the other day was in a locker room, carrying around his portable speaker. Yeah. And he was playing. And he was playing notorious thugs, which is so good. And it's then, like, everybody around the locker room is then just like doing it to themselves and it's such a good and like can i come in hard with

bomb done dangerous you know like but i want him to know that i know like you know like yeah yeah cool seven eight i'm up in the money you know come on you want fred johnson to know you're cool i don't think fred johnson would care do you no he's a nice guy but like i was listening to that song in the shower the like the next morning that he would love that like that's that's a go-to song could you imagine if you went up to fred johnson like i listen to that Right, exactly. That's what I'm going to sound like, no, it's going to like, I love that to me too, Fred. I think if you say that you actually have to also say, you literally, I really love that. I think you literally. You literally have to say, I'm cool, like when you say that.

It's a great, it's also a great, notorious thugs is a great example of patience, you know, like, because if you really want to prove your bona fides you got to wait and wait and wait and then if you can hit bombed and dangerous right when it comes in it's easy to jump that one you know you got to wait and hit it like a dreams and nightmares type of situation I guess

oh wow that was a real what is with you no selling everything is this wait did I miss something is this a bit that I'm not aware of no I mean me on the like the entire like the entire show every joke I make you're just going to be like every joke I make and then you do that and like you start laughing

one of my biggest disappointments this season is that I am yet to see Fred Johnson in the wild this year I haven't seen him anywhere maybe I'm not going out enough used to see Fred Johnson like you know like every month well he stands out

he does stand up even like Milato will like talk about how Fred is built differently than the rest of them Which I find interesting because, like, Maelada is one of the most unusual human beings I've ever seen in a complimentary way, I guess I should say. Everyone discovered this week that Fred Johnson is six, seven. And so every time Fred Johnson comes up, which he comes up a lot in our house. You got to do it again, do it again. He's just like he's doing the six, seven.

That'll kill it. You know, one of the things, sorry, we're just off the rails. One of the things I talked to Zach Bonn about was my Jihad Campbell take that you weren't that into. He's like, and I mean this is in a complimentary way. He's like a puppy with like really big paws because he's like, you can see how good of a player he's going to be. But he just kind of isn't like he hasn't figured it out yet. And he's also really goofy in the Eagles locker room in like a whimsical way. So Zach Bonn agreed with my analogy and said that he reminds him of Jalick's hunt last year.

Just like a goofy kid, but like you know that he has some real upside. Do you think he's going to get, I mean, you're doing the puppy analogy, so like, do you think he's going to fill out and get big and? Oh, like, actually, literally, physically? Yeah. Or just, like, his statutes. I think that's one of the things that, like, is missing when he's playing on the edge, right? Like, or will that hurt his coverage ability?

He doesn't, you tell me if you disagree. He doesn't look like a player that's going to, like, put on 40 pounds by the time. No, I don't like a veteran. Jaylix Hunt, like, yeah, I could see that. Who else did I feel like it was like that? Nolan Smith a little bit I felt like Nolan was going to get bigger as he got older

I don't I feel like Jahad is he kind of looks like he's going to look I'll tell you the only reason I disagree with that analogy is that I like Jihad Campbell Yeah but I'm I'm saying he doesn't like He doesn't like dogs EJ Oh okay I get it I thought It's like listen I'm not trying to compare a human to a dog

Although I do that with you all the time But I want to make it clear It's like a complimentary thing here Okay You just yeah Sorry I was slow to pick up on that one. That's okay.

All right. Anything else? Three random facts. Ooh, okay. Nick Siriani. This should be two truths, one lie. Well,

it's three random facts. Yeah, well, yeah, unfortunately they're all. Yeah, take one out and make one of them a lie. Yeah.

Change the percentage point of something by like one degree. I think these are all things you guys probably know. But Nick Siriani is 10 and no against the NFC North. Yeah. It's just crazy.

Did a whole short about. Yeah, including 2-0 against the lions. Did you do some sort of, like, cheating during the short, similar to the Jaya Alexander one? Eagles are the only NFC team that Dan Campbell has not beaten. Oh, we can do it, too, can you know? Two, can you know, the only NFC team that Nick Siriani has not beaten? NFC team?

Yeah. Regular season only, I guess. No, it all counts. The Seahawks The Eagles have not beaten the Seahawks at all Since something like 2007 or something So that is correct Yeah

He's not going to get a Not going to get a chance Might get a chance next year You're just mad You're just trying to mask that you can't believe You just lost that to me I won the more important game today Ironis

Two can you name All the teams that Nick Siriani has a losing record again Okay, so the Seahawks? The Bucks? No, uh, yeah. Yeah. Um, hmm.

The Jets? No. It is the Jets. The Jets, yeah. No. Losing record. Has to be a losing one. Okay.

Uh, how many more are there? See, I need to, I need to pull this up without Regular season and playoffs combined. Without showing you guys. they beat the Chiefs twice though haven't they not the Chiefs oh the 49ers beating the Chiefs three times in a row three and two 49ers right

49ers 1 and 2 though that one was a pretty big one okay this includes playoffs okay so the 49ers the Seahawks no they beat the Cardinals just lose there are there are wait you got the 49ers you got the Seahawks you got the Bucks you got the bucks there are two more

all right it's not doubt Dallas. No. Five and four against Dallas. At least I was close. The other one and one ones, by the way, the 500 ones are Atlanta, Arizona, and Denver. One and one against each. Okay.

Denver. I just said Denver is one and one. Oh, sorry, yeah. The beat Fangio out there. Yeah. Big balls game. Not the, is it the Chargers? Yeah, the Chargers, O and one.

Because of Herbert Gannon here and one against Gannon. I forgot about that. And there's one more. I mentioned Jonathan Gannon too much on the show. There's one more and that one can also be avenged this year. The Raiders. Raiders. Yes, exactly.

There it is. Was that the one where Fletcher was like really furious? Called out Jonathan Gannon. Man. Yeah. The only three teams, Siriani has not beaten are Seattle, the Chargers on the Raiders and he can beat two of them this year.

The revenge tour. I have a Fletcher thing. It's a Jalen Carter thing. I do feel like. I think I know where you're going with this. I feel like, you know, the, the, Jalen Carter is one of the best defensive players in football and is going to just pick up the mantle from Fetcher Cox.

Like, we believe that. But I feel like if Fletcher was having the production that Jalen Carter has had this year, we would be having a more disappointed conversation. I feel like Fletcher had a couple of really quiet seasons. And he sort of like, it was like you knew the impact he was having on games even though he didn't have the numbers I was saying I think I thought during the Billy Davis years he was a little quiet and

Fran was saying well but he was really good as a two-gapper and stuff but it was maybe because of the system I think it's more like I think we've maybe we've forgotten Fletch too quickly Fletch's Fletch is better than Jalen Carter Fletch had three and a half sacks in 2021 and I don't think we were having much of a conversation about like he was maybe that's part of it I think he was impacting the game more maybe I don't think this is like a hot take or anything. Fletcher Cox was awesome. Yeah, okay. That's all. I mean, I think it's because of

we're so early in Jalen Carter's career and everyone's thinking about the upside. Now, Jalen Carter was not playing as many snaps. He looked like he was getting tired. He was on the ground a lot earlier in the season. I thought this last game, we didn't see any of those things. I mean, he played this. There were two

snaps. There were two snaps, I think, in the third quarter that he took off on a long drive and then he didn't play on any of the last three snaps. And I'm not sure exactly why. On the last one, there were no defensive lineman on the field and then one of them was a spike but I'm not sure why he came off the field on that last play I'm not sure if he got hurt or what

but Jordan Davis came on for him on that one but the point is the point of that is that he played essentially the whole game very effectively and so hopefully it just shows that he's getting in shape at the right time the third factoid is the Lions were the only team of the 14 teams

the Eagles play this year who did not vote to ban the push and said Dan Campbell was asked about that. And I thought he gave a good answer. He said, you know, you start banning things. He's like, you know, sooner they're going to take off the pads and we're going to be playing for 30 minutes and all these guys. Very Dan Campbell answer. So he's like, you know, we're going to be playing for 30 minutes was my favorite one. Do you have, do you take, do you take umbrage at the way that that Dan Campbell has thought about vis-a-vis Nick Siriani given their credentials?

Um, not real. I think Dan Campbell is, is for the most part given the right amount of credit. I mean, like, you know, I think, I think we all know that Nick Siriani has been to two Super Bowls and one one and Dan Campbell hasn't done that. I mean, and, and, you know, it's fine. I think it's okay. Of all the, of all the coaches who I get very upset about like getting too much credit about things, uh, Dan Campbell's not very high on that list. I feel like, I think Dan Campbell's cool, you know. Yeah, I was, I would say his approval rating is remarkable given like how it started. Yeah. I mean, so it seems. Right. The, the, the, the seven guys hired that cycle. The two

of them had press conferences we all made fun of and there's the only two ones still around. What are the things I think that makes him let's hold on let me just say I also made fun of everything about Urban Meyer so let's you know you know I I had a prediction of the order and I'm going to flex this here new head coaches hired in 2021 on January 28th 2021 I in order put them of the order that I thought they were going to last okay long as the shortest I said the Cully would be fired first and Meyer would be fired second. I got them wrong flip flopped by about you know

by about it. I was about a month off by the way like Cully was fired a month after Meyer. I said Dan Campbell would be fired next of them and then Smith, Staley Sala and I thought Siriani would last the longest and not because I knew that much about Nick Siriani but just because

Lurie's done such a good job of firing coaches that I thought that Siriani would be the guy to last this long and people made a lot of fun of me at the time. And they were like, are you kidding, Siriani? Like, who is this guy? He's going to be fun. And now you finally got him back.

Cool. I mean, some super jazz. Robert Salah there. Tyco weed. Thoughts on the Eagles doing a reverse wildcat and bringing out Tanner McKee with an all-out air attack for one series per game just as a change-up. The first year I ever watched the Eagles, 1986. We're bringing in Randall Cunningham on third downs, doing the two-quarterback thing.

Yeah, one series. series where the offense looks like i would love to know what uh if you asked jelan that under conference what his reaction would be wow wow i would not be asking jalen had to do that stuff his rookie year he was out there as as the second quarterback in person look those plays were ugly yeah i would the ugliest plays i would not deny that there is that sentiment that sentiment exists that it would look a lot different with tanner rakee but i mean super bowl MVP we're talking about Dr. Prince Blue, AI is to Bo, what a calculator is to Danez. Wait, you hate calculators?

No, I have no idea what that means. I think Danez was the only one that was supportive of my calculator usage in Swooper. Well, I was not supportive of your calculator use in Swooper. I mean, you were adding, you were, you were subtracting three from 12. That one in there. But I don't know what Dr. Prince Blue is referring to. I think this means like you don't need a calculator. Oh, well, Bo is so high and mighty about AI.

Like, he's, like, so, like, holier than now. And Danes is not like that with anything. I'm... Except maybe AI. No, I'm with Bo on AI. Yeah, totally with me on AI. You know, but you're not like that. I'm not high and mighty.

AI is so obviously terrible for humanity that I don't even talk about it that much because it's just, it's just so clear that it's the case. Can you repeat that lie one more time? Can we get, like, a close-up on Bo so that he can look in the camera, look at the audience. That makes it sound like it's a... It makes it sound like it's a bit like I'm playing it up. No, there's no bit there.

You're not high and mighty. I am correct about it. Are you high? Would you characterize your personality as high and mighty at times? No. Come on. Like, listen, I love you. You were my work wife, but we got to be real.

You can't sit here and just let that slide. Jake makes with a very generous. This is very generous. Unbelievable. That's not, that's not yen? Those are dollars. Those are dollar bucks. All right.

There you go. Thank you, Jake. E.J. recursion is a great book. It is. Are you a sci-fi guy? If so, have you read the expanse, Bobaverse,

or Murder Bot series? I am a sci-fi guy. My first week on this, in my new job, I think I said on Anthony's show that I like sci-fi, like Game of Thrones and Dune. Oh, yeah.

I said Game of Thrones specifically, and my wife is furious with me. That's not sci-fi. She's like, that's fantasy, not sci-fi. But it's kind of like there's magic and there's like, it's not sci-fi. I'm fighting an uphill battle. But I am a sci-fi guy, loved recursion.

I haven't read The Expans, but I see that it is a book and a TV show. And what I like to do with those is like watch the first episode or two of the show and then read the book with like the characters in my mind. You know, I feel like that is like... Interesting.

Because it's like gives some life to the story if like you can picture... Yeah, But then you've all of a sudden stunted your imagination. Oh, I don't need to imagine what the characters look like. I like having the... I mean, yeah, sure, maybe I have a stunted imagination. But I like that.

It brings life to the story. Like, I'm reading Dune after seeing the movies. That's the book I'm on right now. Sometimes it can be cool to read the book after the movie. Yeah. Because the reverse is very... It really puts you off. Yeah, because it's like you imagine the character a certain way.

Yes. And then you watch it. the movie and it's like that's not what I think of this character has at all and it doesn't really work so let me just say shout out to Dan Lonsdale because he is the reason I read recursion because we did a like quarantine book club a few years ago and he would appreciate the shout out

reading The Hobbit with Casey and just got to That's fun. It got to do the Gallum voice that was fun. Did you do Lord of the Rings Tim? It's pockets. I didn't think you were going to break it out and you're going to whip it out on the show Wow. Deepened up overtime. Did you do, have you read the Lord of the Rings with Casey yet?

No, we start. We're starting with The Hobbit. Okay. We saw The Hobbit play at the Arden Theater. That was fun. So then we're reading the book. But now I'm wondering should we watch the movies for Lord of the Rings first after your point? You know I'm not a ring guy. So I'm not into the Lord of the Rings. We are deep into the. It's just like rings skeeve me out. So I don't.

Rings skeeve you out. We've talked about this before. Like just rings in general? Yeah, I just don't read or watch the Lord of the Rings because of that. Yeah, my wife and I've argued about this. You guys don't do a wedding? You don't have wedding rings? I got the tattoo instead.

You got the tattoo? Yeah. Wow. So I am married, but yeah. And does Julia have a normal ring? She does, but I won't hold that hand. She walks on the other side of me. Oh, my goodness.

I'm not saying it's normal. I'm just saying that you won't hold her hand. What do you think it has the ring? Well, you don't even want to touch the ring on someone else's hand? keep me out because here's the thing that bothers me and again just like the fantasy we have not talked about this before yes we have we have totally talked about this before because i've talked about hands before with you just we've we've talked like just like the side by anthony harris but that's a deep cut

i feel like that's mentioned on the show like monthly um the thing that's keeps me out and i'm not saying that everybody has to do this but For me, you can't, like, wash a ring, you know? Like, you can't, like, you don't have jewelry cleaner, like, at the sink. So for me, it's like a germ thing. It's not hard to watch. It's a jerk thing. That's not why you don't watch the Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, just, I don't know. They skeve me out. You don't have to touch the ring when you're watching. There are so many things like that also, like... There is a subreddit dedicated for people who have, like, a jewelry phobia. Wow. This is fascinating to me. I wouldn't character as mine is a phobia, but I wouldn't want to watch a show.

But you won't touch your wife. finger that has a ring on. I wouldn't want to watch a show about rings. Does the tattoo go all the way around? It should. It doesn't. It fades. Yeah. Um, okay. E.J. Are you a person who's like, I don't wear outside clothes on my bed? Oh my God. Absolutely.

Oh, this is a fight. This is a fight we have. I'm very Turkish that way. It's like as soon as I come home, I change into home clothes. Yeah. And Emily will just walk around in like the jeans she was wearing. And I'm like, aren't you uncomfortable? And then she'll like, yeah, she'll like lie in bed with like, and I'm like, what are you doing? Like the bed is. We, yeah. I'm the Turkish one there.

We had an expression growing up that you should never put a hat on your bed. And the expression my dad would always have is if a hat's on the bed, somebody's dead. Like, I remember, this is how much, I grew up in a germaphobe house because one of one time my friend put the football. It's showing. Yeah. One time my friend put the football on the kitchen counter and my, my parents lost it. Like, they were like, why would you put that there? It's been outside.

It's all dirty. and like honestly i was like sure yeah we weren't allowed to open the refrigerator if we didn't wash our hands like yeah there's there were a lot of rules in the smith house so i think i think that's why i'm a little weird about some of these things what about you lindsay what about me right what's where do you fall on outside oh you guys would be like disgusted by me i go home i would like lay right in my bed i couldn't do that i mean i have actually i used to be like no way like you can what's that with kids there's just like no way you can be like clean all the time.

Yeah, of course not. I used to be like that. Now I do think about these are outside clothes. I'm not going to wear them in the bed. For me, it's like personal comfort. Like the first thing I want to do. That's different. Yeah, that's a different thing.

No, but they go hand in hand. Like, even if I'm wearing comfortable clothes, as soon as I'm home, my first thought is I got to get out of these like real clothes and put on like whatever, you know, I'm changing gym shorts or whatever.

Your ear underreuse as well? Usually. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Feel fresh. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, you got to have house under rooms.

How much laundry do you do? I mean, we're doing a lot of laundry anyway, because we got a kid and stuff. Just throw them in with them, yeah. I don't, I will. But even if you don't shower? Hand up. I don't do it of laundry because my wife does a lot of the laundry. First of all, if you shower, it's a no-brainer that you're changing.

Yeah, that's true. So, yes, when you don't shower, you still have, like, house clothes. Like, I've got, like, yeah, all, like, a set a different word. trope for the house. Do you shower more than one time a day? Sometimes. Especially in the summer, yeah. I bike to work.

I shower first thing in the morning. And then if I were to sweat during the day, I would shower again. Yeah. Twice a day during the summer is usually normal. When I'm teaching this class where I have to wear the suit, I bike in. Yeah. In a suit. No, no, no.

I'm biking in and like right comfortable clothing. And then I'm changing into the suit. I'm changing everything. I'm changing everything. Yeah. that makes sense yeah you're you're sweaty i just want me not necessarily i'm not saying everybody has to be most of these things are very normal the ring thing the ring the ring thing is weird the ring is weird i'm not here to tell you it's not normal i tried i tried to wear a wedding ring for like a

month and i couldn't do it i have a ring i have i tried the silicone rings i couldn't do that it just bothered me just you know how would you feel about like uh like the ring on a necklace tucked in i don't like a ring on a necklace i i'm okay with necklaces though like Why? What's the difference? Hands. Hands. Yeah, hands. Braclets are like the gray area, but I do wear a watch. What about a toe ring? What about glove? Well, it's inside.

Can you wear gloves? There are other rings we could ask about. How about a nipple ring? No comment. Just brush right past that one. I've learned. I'm learning on the show. I mean, I could keep going. Please, don't. Yeah, this is like.

overtime. This is 3.53 on a Friday. We can go home, but instead we are sitting here talking about. I still can't get past. I, okay, I get the phobia in real life. I don't understand how that extends to, I won't watch the Lord of the Rings. Yeah, it just, it feels like if I don't like rings, why would I want to watch a show about Rings? I mean, it's not all about the Rings. The Rings seems central to the plot. Are they not? I literally don't know anything about the Lord of the Rings, by the way. Like, like zero. Like, I could sit and watch. This is a safe space because I have no clue at Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, like none. It's different so far between you and Julia. Really? Oh, yeah, Julia's a big ringhead. Ringhead or Lord of the Rings specifically. Yes. I don't think Julia wears a lot of rings. I don't think anyone else associates Lord of the Rings with actual rings you wear as much as you, E.J.

Like, yeah, I just. I was clearly talking about Lord of the Rings and you're like, well, Julia doesn't wear a lot of rings. Yeah. How do you feel about onion rings? Onion rings are good. Because you don't wear them on your hands Applebees But the what are the things

The ring candy Ring pop Oh my God Those things are like a no go for me But that doesn't play into the thing It's not about germs It just seems like not sanitary to me I don't know

But you open it up out of a packet Yeah then you put it on your hand And then you like suck on it It's weird I don't like it How about a I'll tell you what the worst ring is by far.

Oh, no. Please don't make this weird. A ring camera. Doesn't bother me. That doesn't bother you? The only one that should bother you? Why would that bother me? Surveillance state? Come on. We have a driveway cam. It's not ring though. Maybe because I don't like the name.

How many hours to kickoff are we? I got to start. phone being on vibrate have to do with anything doesn't ring it's not on a ring oh I like that okay I thought

they were insinuating Matt H was insinuating I was being like shady not a shady guy I'm an open book 52 hours and about 25 minutes I'm very excited

because for the night games they open yeah he's like I want to go home may as well just just keep it rolling just keep it rolling right into pregame

there's nobody else in the office right now no and not for hours I get excited on these these night home games they open the inner gates a lot earlier relative to kickoff

than for daycare so in the games at 1 o'clock they don't open the gates till 1130 and I'm sprinting in there to catch as much of warm-ups as I can they're opening the gates 6 o'clock here for an 820 kick big for you it's gonna be great I'm gonna settle into my place where I watch warmups right near the field

it's great because you get to see the email I mean you guys know this like you get to see the players like before they wear their jerseys like out there just like throwing the ball around and stuff which is which is fun all right 355 all right let's talk special teams I'm kidding okay uh massive massive game by the way big picture I mean we're talking number one seed all those things Seattle and the Rams play each other twice still they're the only two other seven and two teams Eagles have the tiebreaker on the Rams are almost sure to have the tiebreaker on Seattle as well based on either NFC record or common opponents going forward.

So the lions are a huge threat. Beating them here, you go two games above them and get the tiebreaker on them too would be a huge, huge, huge step towards the number one seed, which obviously is the main goal of the regular season. So there we go. Can I close us out with a xxium? Just one.

The Baker guy. Yeah, the guy that did the movie with Baker. Life is to be enjoyed. Life is to be lived. Lyons Injury Report is out apparently I mean, yeah, it's 4 o'clock All right Terry and Arnold out

Kirby Joseph out Sam Laporta out Wow man Josh Pascal who's on IR also out But that is huge no Sam Laporta Wow So this is the second week in a row We hung in there

Second week in a row where the Eagles are playing a team With a very effective receiving tight end who will be out. So, and Kirby, Joseph and Terry and Arnold both out means we're getting raucous in and then a rotation of Thomas Harper and Avanti Maddox. There should have been a swooper about Dallas Goddard and Avanti Maddox.

Like Alante tackles Dallas Goddard. That's good. Yeah. Oh, well. Man. All right. Wow. That's big.

And all the other big ones are questionable. Yeah. So they should all go, including Marcus Davenport, who's on IR but might return for this game. Got it. All right. All right. Good stuff, everybody.

Thank E.J. Make sure you check out the rest of the PHOI broadcast stuff tonight. We got the Sixers in Detroit. Pre-game at 7 o'clock. And then the post-game show afterwards. And then the Flyers in the Lou. St. Louis. So check out the pre-game show there at 7.30 and the post-game show,

depending on which one's more important to you. I think you can make time for both. Just watch both. Have one on your phone and one on the TV. Yeah. Thank you, Professor. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, Sickos.

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We will talk to you on Sunday kickoff show, 745-ish, halftime show, post-game show, Jamie Lynch, Vinnie Curry, Fran Duffy, E.J., the professor of the chat. Not promising to be in the chat. I'll probably be there. I'll be there. Pre-game, for sure. Pre-game, that's right.

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