PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Bonus: Is Josh Harris the enemy as Philadelphia Eagles prep for NFC Championship?

Episode Date: January 23, 2025

As Jalen Hurts, Nick Sirianni, Quinyon Mitchell, Jalen Carter, Saquon Barkley and A.J. Brown prepare for the NFC Championship against the Commanders, one question looms. Come on, the owner of the Philadelphia 76ers can’t also own one of the biggest rivals of the most popular team in the city, right? Josh Harris? The guy who bilked the city out of wasted money on a going-nowhere arena bait and switch? Boooooooooooo this man!Kyle Neubeck of the PHLY Sixers show joins Zach Berman and Bo Wulf to provide the Sixers perspective on this odd pairing before Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry joins with his thoughts on big game with Super Bowl stakes. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

And welcome to the P.HLY Eagles podcast presented by Bet365 and TrueMark Financial. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY 365 when you sign up. Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at Bet365 and visit trumark.com slash compare for full details. And to apply today, TrueMark Financial federally insured by the NCUA Equal Opportunity Lender. It's a Wednesday night, a bonus episode for the playoffs, Bo Wolf, Zach Berman. And if you're watching, you can see we are joined right away from the top by our P.H.L.Y. Sixers man, Kyle Neubek. I wonder what we're going to talk about. Kyle, how are you? They told me someone needed to come in and bring the vibes down. So they found a Sixers guy, obviously. You guys needed me. Hello. Thank you for having me all. I'm happy to be here. Thank you. We just figured you'd be available for something after the second round. So that's it's nice. It is nice. You're already.

Taking shots and well, well-deserved shots, I might add. So glad to talk about a team that does seem to understand how to operate a professional sports franchise. We'll say that. Have you yourself perfected your personal Josh Harris face impression? No, that's not something I aspire to perfect either, though. So I think I'll leave that to the experts. Good to have my land. Good to have my land.

Let's suck. Let's suck birds first. Kyle, you are, you're covering the Sixers as a journalist. Do you allow yourself, I mean, you're wearing an Eagles sweatshirt right now? Do you allow yourself to let your fan out when you're watching the Eagles? Oh, yeah. Yeah, so we had a little bit of a discussion about this on our Sixers show the other day where I think the reason that I hold on to the Eagles fandom and some of my other fandom is I feel it allows me to be the best conduit I can be to the fan. because I'm still in their head, right?

Like I still go through the Sunday or Monday night or Thursday night process of Jesus Christ, what are these guys doing? I'm watching the Eagles in the first quarter. You know, like a maniac. I'm in, I'm at the link watching a game and I'm, you know, I'm banging the seat in front of me, making noise and doing all that. And so while I have taken many steps back from that in Sixers world, because I keep that in Eagles world,

I think that when I'm preparing questions, when I'm thinking about, you know, what would a fan want to know, find out, read about whatnot in Sixers world, maintaining that mentality away from basketball, I think allows me to be the best reporter and resource I can be for all our wonderful sickos here. Now, let me ask you this,

because my understanding is that at your former job, you had game day responsibilities, for the Eagles. So how have these past two seasons been different in your life? Well, I will say this. God bless. You should know, you should know that whatever it was that you were writing, as long as it was Eagles related, Zach read it. God bless Jimmy Kempski for doing the hard work over there at Philly Voice and then later Seamus Clancy helping out in his way. But Jimmy did all the, you know, the ZB work, right? The boots on the ground, going into the locker room and maybe a few more stick figures than ZB tends to get into his work. But I did most of my

stuff from, not even necessarily from home, but remotely, where again, I'm still watching games, whether it's with friends, family, whoever, and trying to focus on the game, but also getting the chatter from everybody else. So it's just been nice to be able to enjoy it without having to say, oh, this is, I'm going to turn this into an article or these are kind of my thoughts. And I can just be a true maniac along with many others in the Philadelphia area. So what is your perspective on this season for the Eagles as an Eagles fan? I guess if I were to put it this way without knowing how this game is going to turn out or the Super Bowl, how would you compare, well, do a peck nest migrate the 2017 season, the 2022 season and the 2024 season?

And these three championship caliber rosters, how have those experiences compared for you? Well, so the Super Bowl winning season, I'll be honest. Yeah, like that that was the one that it's hard. I had no confidence in them going into the playoffs because it just felt like, you know, not only did the Wentz get hurt, but they didn't show much or do much in those final weeks of the season. You squeaked by Atlanta. and then all of a sudden the Minnesota game happens and it's oh wow that's real you still you don't necessarily believe they're going to go toe to toe with Tom Brady and Nick Fulose is going to cement his place and so that because that was such a storybook run right the you know we all we got the underdog mass all that that ranks the highest in terms of personal sentiment it's also because it was the first Eagles championship of my lifetime of course and it's like You call my dad, who he's the reason I got into sports in the first place, right?

It's like a bonding thing with him. He raised me on, you know, who do you root for every week? The Eagles and whoever's playing the Cowboys, that was like the first party trick that he taught his son, that his friends would clap like seals when you tell all of them. And that end to that season was special. Now, a couple years ago, I think you could argue that was a better, the high-end firepower.

having Jalen all the way to the end and the bad taste that's left in your mouth based on how they lost. This year, I've been up and down, like certainly the beginning of the year, there was a crisis of confidence around the fan base, but I have learned to, as lots of other people have waited into, well, why isn't Jalen doing this and why doesn't Jalen do that? I've kind of just stepped back from that, and I get to be the, well, he's winning. cares type of guy, right? And focusing on, I've loved the power football, right? Like this idea that running backs are now, they're back and they're so important. And you could argue

Sequin's been the best individual player in the NFL this year and watching all that play out. So, I mean, I've enjoyed and have reverence for all three seasons for different reasons. But the Super Bowl winning season can't be talked. That's just it is. what it is. If I can sneak one question before we get to the Josh Harris thing, it's that there's a sentiment from a lot of the Sixers a lot of the Sixers fans.

I know that it's like they start following the Sixers the day the Eagle season ends. Whenever that, it's, it's the end of the playoffs, you end the Super, whatever it may be. As someone as connected to the Sixers, as anyone

in this market, do You noticed that from the fan base, from the viewers, from the readers that there's an uptick once the Eagle season ends. And then I should also say, I apologize to all those fans who are watching who are going to join the Sixers once this Eagle season ends. Yeah, listen, I mean, you just have to kind of accept it, right? That this is a football town. This is a Philadelphia Eagle City.

And I don't, it helps that I, like, I'm still. into it, right, that I am a fan myself. And so I can't exactly get fired up or mad at people who are you're not going to call them fair weather fans or like, oh, you don't matter as much as the people who are here in November and December. And, you know, the NBA season is so damn long that frankly, if you miss November and December, maybe you miss the beginnings of somebody's, rookie year and some of the other stuff. But there, you have a lot of time to get caught up. I frankly have been an advocate for cutting that season down anyway for a long time for a multitude of reasons. So I certainly see that dynamic exists.

And I embrace anybody who is enough of a lunatic to graduate from this Eagle season to whatever the hell is going on with the Sixers right now. Jared McCain was fun for a few weeks for all the like for all of like not get to watch. All right. We have some news that we will get to later from what happened at the Novacare Complex today and some injury updates and stuff like that. But let's use that as our jumping in point here. As you talk about, this is an Eagles town. That is what is understood. And so from your perspective, how tenable is it for the owner of a team in the city to also be the owner of a chief rival of the most? most popular team in town, knowing that that owner cares way more about that team and is from D.C. and it's not really a Philly guy. How tenable is this? So I would say this. I do think to some degree, winning heals all wounds. And if the Sixers were as successful as maybe people hope they were, it's a thing that people wouldn't love, right, but they would tolerate. But I think given where the teams are at. It

really sticks in the craw right, where the commanders are on the rise right now. They seem to have found a franchise quarterback who's going to lead them into the future. Meanwhile, the Sixers are just falling apart on

every level. It was funny. I've recorded something earlier today for our YouTube channel that a year ago today is when Joel and Bede scored 70 points. And in the time since he has played 20 regular season games. He can't go through a practice without his knee swelling up and missing, you know, a week to 10 days.

Paul George is signed as a, you know, a big addition and is having his worst season in probably 13, 14 years, whatever it is, since his rookie year. Maxi has regressed, although some of that's not his fault. And so for that to all be taken place. And there's nobody that's really stepping up to talk, to take responsibility, accountability. The only real public statements we're seeing on the Sixers as of late have been about the arena where they went through this whole multi-million dollar process just to get a city council vote. And then at the last minute, they turn around and say, you know what, we're going to work with Comcast anyway, right? Like this thing that we told you that not just we need, but you need, Philadelphia needs this. arena at Market East, then all of a sudden turn around and be like, you know what, actually,

we got a better deal. We're just going to stay basically in the same area. All the money they made the city spend. I can absolutely understand the people who look at this situation and say, sell the team, Bozo, because it's just, it is a, there's no real defending where it's going to be right now. All right. So let me chime in here. And I want to preface this by saying that, that.

He doesn't care about the Sixers? That Bo's unnuisance response is going to be Zach's defending a billionaire. Okay? Let me tell you. Everybody knows that. Now, let me tell you what I am, my position on this, and tell me if I'm off base or if you see the merit in my position. In my, I'm 38 years old, in my 35 years of being a sports fan, I've never met anyone

who cheers for the owner, right? I've never met anyone who's like, I love this team because of the owner, right? A matter of fact, my position is that what your expectation should be from a sports franchise owner is somebody who invest in the team, somebody who tries to put a good product on the field, on the court, supports to players, is willing to spend, is willing to, is willing to, operate like a big league franchise. And if they have, if they treat it like a civic trust like John Middleton does, even better. Right. But I mean, I'm not defending anything about Josh Harris. Like I've had two conversations with Josh Harris in my life.

I don't know Josh Harris. Flex. Oh, he's got a personal relationship. No, no, no. No wonder. You've been flat-handed. No, no. No.

No, no. But what is undeniable, and Kyle knows this better than me, but if you spend a day at PCOM, their former facility, and you see where they are now, albeit across the bridge, but like for the players, it's a good place to go to work relative to what it once was. they consistently invest in they I mean you can say what you want about Doc Rivers about Darry these are people you have to spend a lot of money to go get they're consistently paying the luxury tax right like more what's that well like relative to what their ownership was previously with with you know they there's there's more of an institutional investment And to kind of put this in football terms, okay? The Chicago Bears have had an owner who have had like owners who are like tribe and true Chicago. You know, they're really, they're fans of the team, but they don't invest in whether it is the personnel that matters.

They don't have the like the organizational stability. They don't have facilities, things like that. So my point is, am I off base in explaining what I think a good owner is? And I'm not saying Josh, I'm not saying Josh Harris is a good owner, but does he hit those check marks relative to the idea, well, he's from Washington and he owns the commander. So he stinks. Yeah. So I'll give you some outs here, ZB. I'll say that.

So Jeffrey Lurie, I think, is kind of the gold standard for ownership, right? where spends money, facilities are great, cares about the product and what they're given to fans. And, you know, there's also, if anybody cares about this stuff, I don't know, but a lot of really positive charitable initiatives through the team and, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, down the list. But I think there can be a thin line between, like, you want the owner to be involved, but you want that owner to stop at the right spot, right? So there's not, I mean this, I think Jeffrey Lurie is one of the best owners in sports, period. But there is not that much separation between someone who cares at the right level and is invested like Lurie and Jerry Jones, who thinks like, you know, he's super invested. He just doesn't know how to run a team in, you know, 2025. You shouldn't have been this responsible for the team for a long time now.

And so there can be problems there where you get an owner who's too involved. And then that becomes an issue in itself. So what I would say is if I want like a standard owner of a team, right, I want someone who's going to cut the check. And I want someone who cares about the product is invested in giving fans something that's good on the floor that's going to be forward looking, right? Like someone who is going to hire people that are trying to stay ahead of the league. Right. So like Howie in a lot of ways, you would think, you know, the Sixers have tried to do that and have failed.

most of the time, right? Where, like, they hire Hinky and I think he was ahead, but then they, if you want to ding Harris for that situation, it's that they basically got bullied by the league to make changes and hire the Calangelo's. And like, that's not being firm enough, right? That's not being strong enough in your conviction. So I would say your point is fair in that I think Harris and company do most of what

you want from sports owners. But also, I just don't think the contrast to either. or someone like John Middleton, right? Like John Middleton is more of the like the fire brand, the guy who wears his heart on his sleeve, is like, I'm going to go get this by any means possible. We're going to spend as much money, more money than God to try to put this team on the field and get a ring, get a trophy. And Josh Harris is more in the background involved with other stuff.

And it plays into this idea that he doesn't care. I don't think that that's necessarily the case, but it's hard to make that. But he owns three other teams, and this is not his priority. It's just like it's not, fans don't really care, right? Like, it's what you can make them believe. And Josh Harris, whether it's with his public words or his actions, it's just hard to spin a story that says this guy is like all in and absolutely must win a championship with the Sixers. You could probably, you make that case with the commanders, right? But I don't think you can make that case with the Sixers.

Zach, I think the counter to what you said is that nobody roots for the owner. Lots of sports fans root against the owner. They're owner of their own team. And as I as I see what could happen on Sunday, if the commanders win the game on Sunday and Josh Harris is in Lincoln Financial Field, in his commander's gear holding up the trophy. It's a bad look. A football throw away from the Sixers Arena. That photo is going to be like the photo in Philadelphia that everybody remembers about Josh Harris forever. Yeah.

So look, I'm with there. It is a bad look to own another team. That's a rival of the city you own. I would also say it's not as if you can go to the store and purchase a sports franchise, right? Like the Washington Wizards weren't. sale like he couldn't buy the wisconsin the philadelphia eagles weren't for sale like the the the reason he owns the devils and the sixers and the commanders and he's a Satan worshipper and crystal palace is because like look he he he obviously has a lot of money he wants to own sports franchises

and you have to buy the ones that are for sale it's the reason why like um you know pick a pick your owner in a Haven Sport who is not like, like Mark Cuban is not from Dallas. He's, he's from Pittsburgh originally, right? But like, you know, no, I mean, let's pick, let's name a great sports owner. It's rare that. How about Jeffrey Lurie? Yeah, Jeffrey Lurie didn't buy the Philadelphia Eagles because he grew up in the 700 level. No, but, but as you wrote in your book.

He didn't then go by the Boston Celtics, though. He bought the Eagles and then made the decision that it was going to be important for him to be a part of the community and move his family and live in Philadelphia. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Look, I'm not defending that component of it. And, like, if you've studied, like, the history of the Sixers ownership, they tried to do, like, optics things for the very reason you said, like have, like Will Smith have a very small portion of the ownership. Like there was a period of time where Michael Rubin was almost like a face of it, even though he had a much smaller percentage relative to Blitzer and to Harris.

There's a guy who earns your defense. No, I'm not, no, I'm saying, but he's someone who grew up in this area. Even like David Edelman, the whole thing with the arena deal is here's someone who's from this area. Like Josh Harris has made no bones about the fact that he's lived in the, New York. He lives in Miami now. I mean, he, he went to Penn, but that was like, that's the extent of, like, his connection with Philadelphia. The, the reality is the Sixers were available at a very good price. They were a distressed asset in, what, 2011? Yeah, yeah, 2011. And that's what you really want, right? Is an owner who has a good idea of when to buy low on a sports branch.

But, like, no, I'm saying, like, the reason he owns these, these different teams is those are the teams that are for sale. Like I've said this all along about the Eagles is that there could be, you know, say, I don't want to pick someone, you know, Brian Roberts could want to own the Eagles. The Eagles are not for sale, right? So you purchase the teams that are for sale, if that makes sense. So I would, as we're, I'm thinking about this as we're going through this conversation. If you want to look at a point of separation between someone like Lurie and someone like Josh Harris, the spending the money is there for the Sixers, right? And they're hiring big names.

But big names is not, that's not the business, right? The business is winning. The business is putting the best possible team on the field, on the floor, whatever it is. And so, like, if you look at coaches that the Eagles have hired, for example, right? It's like when they hired Andy Reid, he's a quarterback's coach. They hire Nick Siriani, he's an assistant. And meanwhile, the Sixers are like, hey, we got Doc Rivers. We got a guy who won a championship.

And we got Nick Nurse. And it's like, hey, that's a great thing to try to sell it. Right. But what's actually important at the end of the day is building a winning program and find the next guy, the guy who's going to be the next version of Doc winning a title in 08 or the next version of Nick Nurse, who's an assistant in Toronto, gets promoted. and they win a championship there, right? It's not just saying, hey, this guy's had success at a previous place.

Let's hire that person. It's having enough institutional knowledge and foresight to say, hey, we need to be not with the curve. We've got to stay ahead of it. And we have to get the next guy who's got new ideas and a new outlook who can shake things up. And that's, I think the spending the money is not enough. I think that's a very good point because I think it ties it all together. because the argument, Zach, is not, is Josh Harris a good enough owner of the Sixers to keep owning the Sixers? It's, the Sixers are clearly not his priority. And so when you are doing the things that Kyle is talking about is, oh, well, you know, let's just hire Doc Rivers or let's hire Nickner's, those are lazy solutions that you're spending money on, but those are the kinds of decisions that you make when it's your third or fourth priority.

And I think the city and the fans should want an owner who is like fully invested in. And I know that I know that it's like there are lots of other owners who own multiple teams. And they just everything is an asset. And that's fine. But I don't think anybody has to like that. And I don't think that Philadelphia has to like that. I'm not so. So as often happens on on the show, we are having two separate arguments.

I'm not saying like, I'm not saying Sixers fans need to like Joshua Harris, like at all. I'm simply saying, like, I don't think Josh Harris is a bad owner of the Sixers because he owns the commanders. Like, it's a bad look. I get that. It's, it'd be, but here, here, let me ask you this. Say he purchased the Carolina Panthers when they were, they were the pre, the Denver Broncos went before it was the commanders and the Broncos and the Panthers. So say he, he purchased the Broncos or the Panthers. Would you feel differently?

probably yeah of course it's the fact that it's a rival of the yeah absolutely yeah look i i i get that i mean i i i would also say that um like if if he sold or you now now it's it's actually hbcc like if they sold their stake in the sixers um i think they they would do just fine you know like hey it's appreciated quite a bit uh i imagine once the arena is unconstructed um the value will go up even more. But so, yeah, like we're on, I'm by no means. Like, I'm not, I'm not out of touch with, uh, with like Sixers fans here. It's the children who are wrong.

I'm simply saying that like if, if you're, here, I'll put it this way. All billioners matter. No. And I'm not what I'm saying. Oh, I'm saying is, and I'm a Sixers fan. I would say that the ownership under Josh Harris and David Blitzer and whoever the group's been has been significantly better from my that's not that's not the only way then the ownership then the ownership under comcast then the ownership under how are cats like they're the the type of

investment that there's been in the franchise um since 2010 significantly outpaces what it was before then and and um at like he's arguing against that but i'm saying that's what you should want in an owner is like that's such a low bar That's not, the owner of the team is very well. It's a bar that's not often top, right? Like, I see Mike White, like who, I, no one, when, the thing we can all agree on is when the, the owner gets handed the trophy, whether it's the Lombard trophy or the Larry O'Brien trophy or the Stanley Cup. Everyone's waiting for it. Like, like, give it to the coach, you know, give it to the quarterback.

Give it to the MVP. be. No one's like, you know, go, they're not cheering on the owner, if that makes sense. All right. We've got to flip this over. We've got to let Kyle go. Kyle, give us your prediction for Sunday. Birds win. I refuse to give

any other prediction. If I'm wrong, I'm happy. I won't be happy, but birds win. I feel good. I, you know, I saw some, I've seen some posts about commanders fans seem to think they're going to be able to get in and, you know, take over the part of the stadium.

It's like, brother, you guys have not been in a high-stakes Eagles game in a long time. That sure as heck ain't happening. So I feel good about where they're at. I hope Jalen can still move a little bit with the health stuff. I'm sure you guys are going to get to. But, we will. Sequin for 150 yards and a W. I like that.

Thank you very much, Kyle. And what time are you guys live tomorrow? We are actually off tomorrow, but I will be at Sixers practice. to hopefully finding out that someone's appendage did not fall off and that Joelle Embed is indeed alive and able to play basketball at some point in the future. Thank you very much. Kyle Neubek on the P.HLY Sixers podcast. Thank you.

I appreciate to join us. Before we bring on Vinic Curry, let me quickly tell you that once again, we are sponsored this bonus episode by Bet365 and TrueMark Financial. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHLY365 when you sign up, whatever the moment. It's never ordinary. at Bet365 and visit trumark.com slash compare for full details and to apply today, TrueMark financial federally insured by the NCUA Equal Opportunity lender. Thank you, True Mark.

All right, let's bring him in. Super Bowl champion. You know him from the post game show. You know from much more than that. Vinnie Curry. Oh, the wine room. What's up, guys? How are we doing?

I'm doing good. How you guys doing? I'm trying to stay warm. Are you drinking a bottle tonight? What do we got? No, not tonight. Hopefully I'll be drinking a lot Sunday. You know, we have to the game.

We'd be celebrating. What's the best Italian red you had? Uh-oh. Oh, man, let me see. You ever heard of prisoner? You see, I don't know anything about wine. Oh, this guy. But Zach, what you don't know, Vinny, is that Vic Fangio was talking about this the other day

and referenced Italian wine but with an Italian slur. And Zach had no idea that it was a slur. and he thought it was a kind of wine. And so there was a chance that he would have been out at a restaurant and just being like, oh, let me get, can I get that slur wine, please? No, so I had heard of that slur. I thought that was also happened to be the type of wine. I thought the way he was framing it was like that was a type of wine.

So it is a good thing that it was clarified to me that was not actually a type of wine that he was speaking about. Oh, man. All right, Vinny, how are we feeling? How are we feeling about this game? Man, no, I feel great, man. I feel great. I'm excited.

I'm excited for the guys, man. You got a huge opportunity here at stake, and I feel real confident about it. Before I was like, I got a little nervous, but you know what? NFC championship in Philadelphia, you can't ask them more than that. What do you make of having to play a team a third time?

Because we all know that that second game was very chippy. You know, CJ Garner Johnson gets thrown out. Jalen Carter was a little bit close to the edge. There was what might have been thought to be a cheap shot, on Gielan Hertz that knocked him out, some dirty after the whistle plays from the likes of Frankie Lubu. This game is going to be chippy. How will that affect the game itself? I'm expecting domination.

I'm not going to lie. Chippy, no, domination. I'm expecting domination, man. I expect the Eagles to go out there and make a real big statement. When you look at, yeah, I'm curious, when you look at this matchup and you're in the defensive line room and you're facing a team that just lost their best offensive line. You know, Sam Cosme's, Washington's, best offensive lineman. Like, what's the conversation like in the defensive line room?

Is everyone trying to line over, I'm sorry, is everyone trying to line up over the replacement guard? Do you build the game plan to get Gio and Carter there? What's it like on the de-linement in that situation? You're changing the car time. Come on. What did y'all say? Yo, it was just a matter of time.

Yeah. You know what I mean? So basically like that meeting should be, yo, generally fresh meet on the line player. You know what I mean? Go get it. I think you just keep it on top of him the whole entire game. I'll watch him take it over.

Now what about the element of Daniels as a scrambler? Obviously, that's huge in this game. As a defensive lineman, what is different when you're playing a quarterback as mobile as he is? So, now what we're watching now? here in the playoffs, right? We know Jeline Daniels is on fire. But let's talk about the Eagles staying in the rush lanes and how they're playing together on the defensive front. You know what mean? So I'm pretty sure that they're going to try to keep him in the pocket. When you so in that sense, then, is it more on the edge rushers then? Is it the linebacker

who needs to, for lack of a better term, spy? How do you, you know, what's the, what's the coaching point with the mobile quarterback? So you basically stay in your rush lanes. You've got to rush together. This is that game that you've got to rush together. And if you're not rushing together, we'll be exposed. Zach, I won't necessarily say spy this game only because I bet spy linebacker, you know,

it's hurt right now. So I would like to think that, you know, Vic will probably throw some razzle dazzle in there just to try to knock him off his pivot up, pivot up a little bit, and try to spread Jailant's process up. I'm getting rid of the football. So when you say rushing together, what does that mean exactly?

So, you know, you can't just rush, like both the guys can't rush high because now you're leaving that gap wide open that generally is going to get a first down on, you know, one go high, one stay low, get ready to the crossover. So you might, it might be the inside nose. It might be, you know, Milton to spy them or a lot of loops around, just to, you know, We just process of it understand that it's not going to be that type of game that you can just go to take over with your legs. I've an NFC championship experience question. It's not matchup specific here, but I'm fascinated by this because, you know, we're basically at the anniversary of the NFC championship game against the Vikings a few years ago, right?

And we've seen that clip is circulating of you guys dancing in the end zone before the game to meet. Meek Mill and just like the the excitement, the energy. I've heard players say, like, in that moment, they knew they were going to win. You know, Jonathan Gannon said, you know, he was the coach of the Vikings at the time. It was like, I've never, like, felt a place this loud. Can you feel a difference in that type? Like, if I transport you to that moment, could you feel a difference in that atmosphere then compared to any other game? Absolutely.

You got to understand. So going into that game, just to disrespect that the Vikings was bringing to Philadelphia, you don't remember that? They fucking with the Rocky. Like, it was just poking a bear, and it was just like all week. You know, they had the stuff on the screens in there. And then everybody knew what history was at at stake right there in there in that moment. You couldn't tell us from that week of preparation up until that moment that you got to see in that viral clip that it was.

going to lose that game. And we know that you see at the end of that game, we wasn't surprised that we blew them out like that. We already knew mentally, like, you know, what was going to happen?

And if you remember that even that touchdown, I want to say we had 10 people on the field. Ah. Oh, interesting. Because they go up. Yeah. Or I want to say, Mike might have came on late.

It was a crazy miscommunication. So that's why, you know. That doesn't sound like Andrews. You know You're So if you watch that sideline God damn man It was like kind of like one of those

You know But that mistake doesn't happen And now you're looking at You know They don't even score So Were you on the field for the For the Patrick Robinson

Pick six? Oh yeah I was out of breath He was trying to razzle dazzle I'm like my man Just running that damn straight But it was dramatic fashion I think

I thought that was sick man P-Rob man He's a beast bro I think P. Rob has a good case for, we've been talking about, like if Zach Bonn leaves, if he signs elsewhere this offseason, he's probably the best single season eagle in franchise history. I think until then, I think it's probably Patrick Robinson. What was my? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the best Nicklin the Lee.

How many years was walking Dorman on our team? two years because he had one year corner one year safety yeah yeah now you could also from that 17 team you could 17 you could say Lagarde Blunt potentially but but I think I think Patrick Robinson would take that yeah Torre Smith was on that team yeah that's hard to say man because let me say I seen LaGuard Blunt in LA when we went to play the Chargers she that game was crazy yeah we remember we was kind of we was kind of like stella for a second or

offense I'm like good a hell going on And I just remember Lagarde saying, yo, man, like, kind of like feed me. And he made dumb up like pot water kids. That was crazy. So, so then Howie or Jeffrey or Dom, they call you up this week. And they say, Vinny, we want to channel what you guys had. Like, whatever it was working in 2017, we want to get that emotion. We want to get that vibe going before the game.

What do you tell them? How do you replicate that? I say, yo, so I was there when, like, I would say

when the team come out, man, you got to let like Pied Mill to take the charge and come out to that song. Yeah,

I don't know if this team has a, has a rallying song quite like that. I don't know. Because you've been telling us, Zach, that,

like, Howie's got the ox, they're not going to play Stevie Wonder and go nuts. Like, that's more a lot of, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, the pre-game. So I think it's like, it's like really, really one of those. But, I think the way they've been rolling right now,

they don't need no, they don't need no extra juice. At that moment and at that time, man, that was just historic moment. You know what I mean? Even after the game, it was like, it didn't matter who we played that day.

Yeah, that's what I've heard them say. Yeah, my theory is that the Eagles have, they haven't formally brought out Kelsey yet, right? Like, he's, he's been there. for, you know, Monday night football and, like, you know, on the side. They showed them on the screen with former teammates, but they haven't done the thing like where, you know, they had Brian Dawkins come out of the tunnel last week.

They haven't done that with Kelsey yet. I wonder if, I wonder if Kelsey's in the bag for this week. You know what? Okay, if you put it like that, I don't think you were just talking about a Raleigh. They haven't done it with Fletch either, though, right? Well, here's my thing. Do Kelsey come out? in the middle and have two dog bags to the right and left of him

and him grab the mic. Oh, there you got. I wonder from Kelsey's perspective if he doesn't want to make this. He's not on this team, he doesn't want to make it about himself. But if it's him and Fletch and somebody else, Vinny Curry, maybe? Yeah, but you know, that's the coolest thing about the guys.

People understand that ain't nobody selfish. We're just trying to bring the energy, man, and light this thing up, man. We really want to see them, you know. Yeah, where will Kelsey be, though? It might be in Kansas City. Yeah. That's a good point.

That's it. Yeah, that is a good point. Yeah, you're getting the people who hopes up now. I'm not taking just as he comes. Yeah. I'm just brainstorming here. No, tickets are hard to come by from from. At the end of the day, I tell you what, though, at the end of the day,

you say, go on for 200, they're going to be, they're going to be tipsy off their ass. They're going to, you know, actually, motivation with 26 in the back field. Maybe it'll just be Sequin. There you go. All right, Vinnie. I think that's, I think that's all we got for you. We'll talk to you on Sunday.

Man, hey, guys, listen, we've got to bring the Jews. I wish we could do the podcast of lives right there from the link, man. That would be crazy. You too, pull some strings. Yeah, yeah, yeah, pull some strings. Get us in there.

We love that. Actually, don't do that. and I do that now. I'm like, all right. Let me make a phone caller too. All right, we love it. Fannie Curry, Super Bowl champion. Thank you so much.

We'll see on Sunday. Thanks, Vinny. Bye. All right, Zach. There was some newsy stuff that we should get to from today's stuff at the Norbert Care Complex. Let's do it, Zach, through the prism of the Xfinity game ball. Yes, that's right.

The Xfinity game ball is proudly brought to you by our friends at Xfinity Mobile join the millions who have switched to one of the fastest growing mobile services. And Zach, the two big injury questions for today, Jalen Hertz, Quinyon Mitchell, are either of them getting a game ball for today's walkthrough? Well, they were holding game balls. So that's the valuable thing today. Like, that's probably what you wanted to see today, is that J. Allen Hurth was participating in the walkthrough. Had this been a full practice, he would have officially been limited.

Quigot Mitchell participated in the walkthrough. Had this been a full practice, he would have officially been limited. So those two players, those are not the injuries that I would be concerned about right now. Now, obviously, you are wondering how will Jalen function in the game? Jalen spoke after practice today and said he's taking it day by day. Every game calls for something different. He said that he participated. right so there's there's not really an indication there you spoke to queen yon mitchell what was quignon mitchell's sentiment about the about the way he felt it was a funny one zack which i think you would appreciate because it was one where uh you know locker rooms 45 minutes

at the very beginning of locker room you see queen i mitchell very briefly come in and head to the shower about 20 minutes later comes back from the shower just grab some clothes and heads back to the bathroom and you're like uh like he doesn't want to talk today like you know his status must still be up in the air. They don't want to get, go on the record yet. And then at the very end of locker room, like 40 minutes in, he walks back to his locker. And he's like the only one that people are waiting for because Jalen Hertz is speaking at the auditorium concurrently. And the, you know, the head of PR comes over. He's like, oh, Quinnion, like, there's only like a couple minutes left in locker. I'm like, do you want to talk now or would you rather just talk tomorrow? And Quinehan's like,

well, what do you want me to do? You're the boss. He's like, I don't know, what do you want me to do? He's like, I'll just do it now. And yeah, his message is, I'm fine. I'm good to go. I'm going to play. So he said he was not, he was not really ever concerned that it was a super serious thing. He was hoping to go back into the game on Sunday. But they held him out.

He was very impressed with how well Isaiah Rogers played. But he's ready for this matchup. He's excited. He's good to go. That's good news for Eagles fans. Now, bad news for Eagles fans is two players who would not have touched the game ball of practice today had they had a full practice. And that is Dallas Goddard, who has an ankle injury, and we saw, I think you were talking about it.

Dallas Goddard got twisted up at the end of the, you know, late in the game. Was it you who were talking? I don't think so. Okay. Could have been. A lot of things I don't remember. Yeah. And then, and then Cam Juergens with a back injury.

So. That's a concerning one. Yeah. So these are, now we heard Fran talk about how badly the Eagles missed Dallas Godder in the running game. against Washington and how CJ Usama lift. And by the way, DeGos don't even have C.J. Usama anymore. He's on IR. So it's Grant Calcuttaire and E.J. Jenkins are the two backup tight ends right now.

So we'll see how that goes with both of those players. But this is not a rest situation. These are players who would have been DNP because of injuries. And we talked about on the show this afternoon that DECO's made a little kind of interesting addition to the practice squad in Cam Irving, who's a 32-year-old offensive lineman who can play all over, including Center. Do you think that that was connected to the Juergens injury?

Well, it's a good question, because we didn't have that information at the time. And yeah, look, if well, I should back up here. If in a world in which Jurgens doesn't play, who starts? Dickerson at Center and then you put Steen in a guard? Well, let's talk through the options. Yeah.

When it has happened this season, on occasion, It has been Dickerson at Center and Steen, Edgard. I think that that is their best five. They also have Nick Gates on the roster, but he has been inactive. And that's, he's been the backup to the backup on game day since Jack Dreska went down. But I don't think that that's their best answer. I think their best answer, unfortunately, is in Los Angeles. And that's the reason that they drafted him was for this moment.

However, I think if Jurgens was out, I think they would go Dickerson at Center and Steen at Lefgard. Yeah, this is going to be, I think this is a big story to watch now. I should also note that Nick Siriani, because during conference championship week, he has to speak every day. It's legal. So, Siriani will have a press conference tomorrow. I don't anticipate Nick Siriani giving much information on. on Kim Juergens or Dallas Goddard. Practice will go on while we're on our show tomorrow.

So we'll get updates from the reporters at practice then. Andrew report comes out tomorrow. But yeah, Thursday's report is going to be critical here. It's always it's, listen, who knows what the status of his back is. Yeah. And, you know, you don't want to mess with a bad back. But it's always, when a guy finishes a game, you expect that he's going to be able to play the next week.

Typically, unless it's something that, you know, flares up after the game, that kind of, yeah. Right. So, no, it's a good point. Which one concerns you more there, Juergens or Gowder? Probably Jurgens because it's new. I mean, the only Dallas got it we've ever known is a Dallas gotter who is often banged up.

Sure. So as long as he's able to play. Now, if you're saying, who would you rather have? that's actually tough. It's actually tough. I think you can make a case for Goddard because I think that with Dickerson and Steen, you're okay, but that's, you know, you don't want to mess with the continuity of the offensive line this late in the season. I don't know. That's good point. Yeah, this adds intrigue. I mean, I think, well, if they would go Dickerson's team, then I will, then the Goddard injury concerns me more because, I just don't think they have the personnel at Tident. Now, that said, I mean, they won a lot of games this year without Dallas Goddard, right? We haven't played without Cam Juergens.

But I don't, I mean, I think they can get by with Dickerson and Steve. Okay. Well, congratulations to Quinion Mitchell, Jalen Hertz, Landon Dickerson, Tyler Steen, Cam Juergens, and Dallas Goddard on their Xfinity Mobile games. ball. I should just I should just I should just tell her on the other part of the injuries today. Had they had a full practice, AJ Brown would have been limited with knee rest. AJ Brown spoke after practice, said he's progressing. He said the deep ball that he dropped the other day, 99 out of 100 times he would catch that ball. He doesn't like using excuses,

but the, you know, the conditions were what they were. He said that after the game, that the conditions really affected them. But, you know, he, he feels, he feels good. He didn't want to go into too much detail otherwise, but he feels good entering this game. Britt and Covey would have been limited with the neck injury, like you said, the 21-day practice window open. Lane Johnson, he's on there for knee-slash-rest.

So the knee is new, right? But he would have been limited. He's going to play. Josh Sweat is on there for ankle-slash-rest. and then Kenny Pickett, full participant with the ribs injury. Byron Young, who's... That's worth keeping in mind, though. What's that?

That's worth keeping in mind him being listed on the injury report. He's been on because, yeah, he... I know, but I'm just saying. Okay. You're really hoping they go McKee. I'm not hoping for anything. I have no rooting interest. You know what I mean?

If I was an Eagles fan, I would be hoping for that because he's a better player. Yeah, that's how I should have framed it. Yeah, you're really kind of pushing, I should say, for the... the McKee part of it. I thought McKee looked better than the game he played with backups against most starters than Kenny Pickett did with starters. That's just my view on it. We'll also say that I don't expect Byron Young to get activated.

I think the Eagles view this is three full weeks of practice for Byron Young, and then he'll refer to IR. okay hey if if brandon great let's let's let's let's fast forward it eagles win this game let's just let's just say they did it congratulations they're going to new orleans brandon graham's able to play how many snaps is you going to play like what do you think is really it's like 10 snaps what do you think yeah 10 to 15 snaps yeah 10 to 15 snaps absolutely i mean i i don't think it'll be much but it'll be there'll be more than bryshoff whatever it is fair enough uh some super chance to get to including a uh a fresh one

in from Chase Daniel Plainview, who says, Josh Harris invites me to 76ers games. And I always say that the arena is too far from my center city penthouse. Am I responsible for this mess? Yeah. So, all right. So here, let me address two things. So I promise you this will keep me up at night tonight. Like it's definitely going to be rolling over and bed at 2 a.m.

saying I don't think. I was articulating what I think you should look forward to sports owner. I was not defending. I don't think that that was never the conversation, I don't think, as far about this week. It's not like, is Josh Harris an adequate owner of the 76ers? So I was saying, so like, if you're a Sixers fan, I'm saying you're like, you know, he was better than the alternative. Now that said, and I told Bo this off camera two weeks ago, I, I'm really put off, by the way, the Sixers handled the arena situation. So that's why she's being because I felt it to be

disingenuous to spend two years suggesting this and then essentially you're just using city council as leverage for I don't like human collateral as it is like I think that's I think I think I

thought all along like I understood the merit of the Center City Arena in the sense of you know like I used to work at an eighth of market that's a spot that's that's been a debt, you know, that's, that's really struggled that kind of have any type of, I'm something that last there. It was, it was privately funded.

So I, I understood the arguments against it for, but I'm like, if someone's building a privately funded arena there and it's going to spur economic development and create jobs, like, okay, I can see the merit in it. I certainly don't understand all that's surrounding it, but I understood the merit in it. But if, if basically you were trying to. just bring that to get approval to sweeten. So so then Comcast says, okay, we'll give you a better deal here. It's in South Philly.

Everything you're saying about like, you know, the center city, you know, how you saw what this did in downtown developments in Boston and in San Francisco, you know, and you're going in all these different cities. And then you're talking about how when you share an arena, you don't get the dates that you want, you know, and you have all these, all these points. And then it's like, you just do this about face because you get a sweeter deal. To me, it's disingenuous because it really strikes me as like city council and really citizens are used as collateral to get a better deal. And that, to me, that, that strikes me as as disingenuous and just, just like I understand business, but I think

that that just really rubbed me the wrong way, right? Zach, I love you. It is, it is to your credit that that could possibly catch you by surprise, that you are, that you are well-meaning enough, and you believe that everybody is well-meaning enough to believe the obvious BS that they were spewing that entire time. Well, it's not that I was leaving their BS. Like I saw the, I saw like the merit behind it, right?

Like it's like, all right. And, and again, I just, like, two years is a long time. And the amount of just, I just don't like, I don't like using people as pawns. To me is it's so. How do you think he made all of his money? I just, that really struck me. That really roughed me the wrong way. It's like you just ended up, it just ended up here, right?

And it's like I would actually have, if they didn't get approval and they're like, all right, let's go back to the table and figure this out. Or they used, you know, they said we're going to go to Camden. And then it's like, no, you know, we should be in, in Philly. But like, nothing changed other than Adam Silver got involved and you got a better. deal in South Philly. And you don't, you get the benefit of the franchise appreciation, but you don't have to put up the money to build the arena yourself because it's a 50-50 split. And so you spend less, but you get the benefit. To me, it's like that really,

really roughed me the wrong way. So I, I did not. Yeah, that. So Chase Daniel, Plainview held it up. And by the way, like, I, um, Like, I disagreed with Howard Eskins, I'm bringing up Howard Eskin. Like, I, I like a new back episode, no less. Yeah, I, I, I love public transit. Like, I thought, okay, maybe this could spurn people or this could propel people to take public transit. It's easier for fans from South Jersey and from the western suburbs and from Delaware County to get to, eighth in market than it is

South Philly, right? You know, it's one train instead of a train connecting to a subway. Like, I understood all of this and like, I'm like, okay, like maybe, you know, if you add trains, this could be beneficial.

And it's like, I heard all these points for two years and I read them and I listened and I had conversations about them. And then in two weeks, in two weeks, It's like, all right. That really bothered me.

That really bothered me. I'm sorry. I mean, you need to live a much more disbelieving life if you don't want to be bothered by those things. But I know that that's not for you. Yeah, I mean, I look, I would, I understand I can be idealistic. I get that, but I, it's just that, yeah, I don't even. to get into all that. What's the next super chat? Well, we have one from Evil Zach Berman, who says, just stopping by to say hi, he needs to get his 11 hours of sleep. So evil Zach Berman's like the

opposite of me. Yeah. Yeah, shout out to Mr. V. You know who you are. He's really pushing me to get to get more sleep. And I'm trying my best. But like, you know, like tonight, this show is important, but I want to write. I want to get stuff up there. Yeah, so again, the season's over soon. I have a lot of time to sleep during the offseason. I've been working on it. I told Emily, I'm trying to... Maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. V. I mean, I love Mr. V. I imagine it is who it is, but... Yeah, I'm wearing this ring. But I mean, yeah, this is, this is even more of an upheld battle. than getting Zach to not be idealistic.

Yeah, I'm trying. I'm trying. I'll put it that way. Last night, I don't even want to read it out loud. Thanks everybody for watching on Fast, by the way. We've got a couple more minutes before we wrap up here. You can check it out on all p.hly.com.

Another super chat from Entrepreneur 215 who says, is there any way we can get Josh Harris to sell the team? How can we force him to sell? Honestly, I would say, when that arena's built and the value goes up even more. It gets to a point like it did with Mark Cuban, where the value keeps going up and there's a deal that's too good to be true. That is my guess, is that find someone who's willing to spend what,

who is it, Shelley Edelson, well, not, not something else's going to pass. Yeah, let me, I don't know if we need to go there. Yeah, no, his wife bought the Mavs. So find someone who's going to spend X amount of dollars to purchase the team. Yeah. Because I don't think the Sixers, by the way, it's like, it's like, you know, the Eagles are not for sale anytime soon. The Phillies are not for sale anytime soon. I don't think like the Sixers are going to be like in this ownership structure for the next 50 years, 100 years, that kind of thing.

I truly do think that if the commanders went on Sunday and when we get that Harris photo in the link, there's like a not super long-term path to Josh Harris announcing that he's taking a step back from the censors. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like honestly, I think what it would be is like. Someone else is taking over as the majority of it. Yeah. Or like David Glitzer steps in as like the face of the ownership. group as opposed to Josh Harris. I can certainly

see that see that taking place. Yeah. I think that's appropriate. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, like, I would even like suggest that to them. Like, yeah. I would say like, Josh, you can still reap all the back to the TV. So we do agree

about this. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Like it's not, you're, you're not endearing yourself to your fan base for sure. And I see your point, like, the Kronkis own the Nuggets, the abs, and the Rams, okay? Right.

And so like if the, you know, the Lakers have played the nuggets in the postseason, right? And I can't. Yeah, but it's not a, it's not, it's not a, it's not a rivalry. Sure, sure. But I would say like, yeah, take a step back and put, whether it's, it's Blitzer or Edelman or, or, you know, pick, pick someone else there. Yeah. Okay. Let's close out, Zach, with some of the press conference highlights.

He heard from Saquin Barkley, Jalen Hertz, agent. Jay Brown today? What do we need to know? Yeah, I will listen through to Sequin after the show. I was talking to a few players in the locker room during that period. So I was not there for Sequin. For AJ, like I said, 99 times out of a, or he said 99 times at 100, he would have caught that ball. He actually, yeah, he said that he's feeling good going into this game.

So those were some of the highlights from AJ. I'll have more on social there. With J. Owen Hertz, he said, you know, he's caught some of Jaden Daniels this year when they played on separate nights. He was able to watch them. Didn't really get into too much detail on that. Respects Washington secondary in particular. Interesting. You spotted this today, too.

He was playing pool in the players' lounge. This is my most basic, like, simple. opinion that I'm throwing it out there. This is not a real thing. It's not supported by anything, but it's just the thought that crossed my head as we as I'm in the locker. I'm in the players lounge that Jalen Hertz is playing pool with Darien Kinnard. And I'm thinking, this is a great sign. Yeah. So it's great news for the Eagles. Yeah. So not just because he's, he's, you know, he's putting it out there. And as you would tell us, everything that Jailen Hurts does is intentional. He was probably expecting to be spotted here on the way to his press conference.

But I've said the thing before about how I've never seen him more relaxed and like just not wound super tight than Super Bowl week from 2022. He was really like embracing sort of the fun of that moment. And he played the best game he's ever played. And so I'm just thinking, oh, maybe he's got maybe he's got. Got a little bit of a, you know what? I'm back in the NFC championship game. Who cares how banged up I am. I'm going to play some pool with my man, D.K.

Okay, let's go. So I asked him about this today. You did? Yeah. I asked him how often he gets back there. And if he feels it's important for the quarterback to be in the lounge sometimes. And he smiled. He says, depends who I see in there.

Sometimes I get a little triggered and come get you some. He said, I won today. He played against Isaiah Rogers and D.K. For the two people we played again. Yes, I believe he won both games. He said he won today. Okay. I think, yeah, I think there was a scratch on the eight ball involved.

But I can either confirm nor deny that quite yet. Okay. Yeah, so A.J. Brown, you might have, I asked jail on this because a few players were talking about this, including A.J. Brown. I asked AJ Brown about Slay. And A.J. Brown was like effusive in his praise of Slae. He called Slay a hallfamer. He said the only thing that he gets, he gets on Slay on is the tattoo that Slai has. So Sleye has a tattoo on his leg of him meeting Kobe Bryant.

And it looks like O'Dell Becum Jr. And Slai enjoyed, like Slay was showing people to tattoo in the locker room today. they said at the time he had his hair like odal he's like that's definitely me but he he's like he can laugh about it because he does see why people say it is it is um odel and uh so i asked jellan you know i asked jellon about sleigh and jellon gave like uh you know a quote about sleigh and then i was like do you think the tattoo it looks like odel and jellan like didn't even i thought it might like get some personality out of jowen and um jowans like yeah you can ask him or like something like that.

So, J. I don't necessarily play ball. But I was asking players today about Slea in the locker room. And Sleys, what, like, this says something about somebody when you bring up their name.

And the person's first reaction is just like start to crack up. Right. So like one player I was talking to. And I said, what's your funniest, like, Slay moment? And then he just starts laughing.

He's like, well, that I can share. And I'm like, yeah. He's like, well, I'll probably say the tattoo that looks like Odell, right? Like people brought this up. So, yeah, so, but G.

I wouldn't want nothing to do with that one. Sorry. One more super chat from Chris Manera, who says he's 20 minutes into the draft pond with Fran, and he gives it a fire emoji. Also, Zach, I sent you an email about a signed copy of your book. Chris, I apologize. I will search your name once we get off this,

and I will respond if I missed that email. But yeah, we'll definitely take care of that. Please do check out the draft podcast with Fran, the first episode. Let's bump that bad boy up. Let's get the comments and thumbs up going. Absolutely. Please, for the draft show, for our show, leave comments. I read them all, but it's also helpful to us as well when you like.

For all that we do for you, we ask so little of you. Yeah. Yeah. We're putting out like 15 hours. Zach is sacrificing his well-being for this show. And I saw somebody ask what the schedule might be for the Super Bowl. I'll tell you this. If the Eagles are in the Super Bowl, if they win on Sunday, the week of the Super Bowl,

down in Nalins, we're going to be very well-represented, and we're going to have two shows a day. We're going to have our normal time show and a show at night every single night. So there you go. And the look of terror you see is on my friend Zach's face who's thinking, how am I going to get this all done? Oh, my God, yeah, exactly. Yeah, I remember the, you're going to have to find a way to hack into Olivia's laptop

and just write the same stories that she's writing. Yeah, I remember Phoenix. I was by Saturday in Phoenix, I was just, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't move. I couldn't move. I was so a way to meet up. I went out, yeah, I went up dinner that Saturday night and I think I fell asleep at the table. I remember this.

Yeah, so, yeah. That's the thing. I mean, so we are going to the Super Bowl and radio row win or lose, no matter what. And boys, there are going to be a difference in our week between if the Eagles are playing in the game and if not. And obviously, it's better for us

if they're in the game. You know, we get to put out a bunch of content. Everybody's going to be excited. But yeah, we're going to be working, not that we wouldn't be working hard anyway, but where we're going to be pulling like triple tie. Last year was a much more pleasant experience just like from like a lifestyle. Plus you were in Vegas. So you were, you were. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was. I didn't get the play until the last night. So or the, yeah, I didn't get the play until the last night there. You played once before then. That's right. I was out in like 15 minutes. That's generous. I don't reach back into my.

my pocket. That's the That's the war. All right. Well, you got you got work to do. We got a show tomorrow at 2 o'clock. You and me, we're going to have Colin Wolf join us for a little bit at the end of the show tomorrow. So we're looking forward to that as well.

And then on Friday, the professor joining me. And away we go. So for Kyle Neubek, Finney Curry, Julia. Thanks to everybody for joining us live. Thanks to everybody watching after the fact. Comment, subscribe. like all that good stuff. We will talk to you tomorrow.

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