PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Brendan Sorsby Could Be Next Employee At Eagles’ Quarterback Factory | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: June 19, 2026

Don’t count Howie Roseman out of anything when it comes to quarterback, even with Jalen Hurts, Andy Dalton, Tanner McKee and Cole Payton already in the building. Texas Tech’s Brendan Sorsby is entering the NFL’s Supplemental Draft and you know the Eagles are doing their homework. Is the embattled QB worth the … gamble? Fran Duffy and Bo Wulf break it down.    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

To the PHA My Eagles podcast, live from the Xfinity Mobile Studio, and presented by our friends at Ashley, Bo, Wolf, Fran Duffy. We're going to get in. I'll get out at 3 o'clock for the USA game. People already in the chat, clamoring, no overtime today. We can make that guarantee. But we're going to be here, and we're going to focus for the next 60 minutes on Brendan Sorsby, the most interesting man in the supplemental dress.

the only man in the supplemental draft, Fran Duffy. Let's begin with just introducing this whole situation to people who may not be familiar with it. Who is Brendan Sorsby? Why is he available? What's the deal? So we can get into like the full scouting report later,

but really the- And we'll get into the Eagles potential interest and all of that stuff, but that rumor is out there. Let's get in, let's sort of lay the baseline first. Exactly. So this is a player that would have been,

I would say, And pretty much every consensus, too early mock draft for the 2027 NFL draft as a quarterback. He was at Cincinnati, the last two seasons, Indiana for two seasons before that. He transferred to Texas Tech, got a lot of money from Texas Tech this spring, this offseason to join the Red Raiders down there. It came down to Texas Tech versus LSU in the transfer portal. Now, the way. Can I ask an early question? You can.

Was he pushed out by Fernando Mendoza? Did he, did he, what, did he shy away from competition? No. He's transferred from Indiana. So I'll go into the, the full background there, but he transferred before Signetti got hired. So it was like they fired the coaching staff and he transferred out before the, before they hired Signetty.

So, uh, Sorsby, yeah, it came down to, it came down to Texas Tech versus LSU. He goes to Texas Tech. And then a few months late, it goes through, you know, a chunk of spring ball goes through spring ball. The week, it was the Monday after the NFL draft. Texas Tech announced that Soresby was checking into a residential treatment program for a gambling addiction after reportedly making thousands of online bets on a variety of sports, including college football, including college basketball, but most notably, including his own team during his first season in Indiana. It was something like, if I remember right, the report, I think it was like 90 bets on his own team, which, as we know, that is like the Cardinal Sin in all of sports. That is more bets than games they play.

Like, I mean, well, it was like a lot of, it was like prop bets. It was the whole. Yeah. So that was back in April.

The weather, again, right after the NFL draft. Then on Monday, May 18th, 2026, you know, just a few weeks ago,

Sorbsby and his legal team, they filed for an injunction against the NCAA. The NCAA is like, all right, well, he's, he is, he is ineligible,

indefinitely until we can, you know, go through everything. But they file for an injunction. They hire, he hired, Jeffrey Kessler, who is like a big-time attorney that's won cases against the NCAA, the NFL, Major League Baseball.

He's a, you know, if you follow like sports law, you're very aware of his name. So Texas Tech and Sorsby, they hire Kessler. They go and they file for this injunction. And what we're seeing in college sports, and this is not just like a thing with the Sorsby case, but this is, you know, when Trinidad Chambliss, the quarterback from Ole Miss, when, you know, the NCAA says, yep, you're out of eligibility. what happens is the player in the school can just go all they need to do is find one judge one local judge in your pocket what's more american than that exactly you find one judge to

give you a fair ruling and all of a sudden the NCAA has no power they have no say and what that what that judge says is allowed to is allowed to stay so basically they were able to find they were able to file for this injunction against the NCAA now inside that there was a bunch of stuff man so real quick i'll just kind of give like quick cliff notes here. It was number one, the claim that the NCAA stance on gambling was deeply hypocritical, which, by the way, we can get into that. I think that's a fair argument to make. That said, I don't, you know, we'll get into that. That's the, to me, that's pretty deep in the weeds. Also, that he's got a clinically diagnosed gambling addiction, which they labeled as a

mental health disorder, which was, which was a big that we'll get into later, an admission in this file that Soar's be placed around 3,000 bets, including at least 40, bets on his own team while serving as the back of quarterback at Indiana, which included game outcomes and player prop bets. Then the betting continued when he transferred to Cincinnati and because of like differences in state laws and probably the understanding that, hey, I'm the starting quarterback now. He used accounts under someone else's name. He was doing it through different states.

It was a lot of different like go. So, you know, he was doing what he could to stay under the radar and continue to make bets. But obviously these betting apps, like they're able to track all that stuff. they requested to make him eligible immediately and allow him to play in games during the fall of 2026 after he would serve a self-imposed two-game suspension, which would obviously be against like out-of-conference opponents and also pending the completion of a treatment program, which he was in for the previous few weeks, and a request for an expedited hearing from the

NCAA on this hearing by the time that he would have to enter for the supplemental draft. So that was all in the middle of May. he made this. Then three weeks later, June 8th, just a couple of weeks ago, Sorbsby was shockingly granted the temporary injunction against the NCAA by a local Texas judge that prevented the NCAA from taking further for further punishing Sorbsby. It made him immediately eligible. And basically what it said was, yeah, we'll let the, we'll let the courts figure out whether or not he actually did this. But until that happens, the NCAA cannot make him ineligible. And so, yeah, he's going to be allowed to play.

universally this was crushed right rightfully so um so like it literally yeah the big it was a uh it's a slippery slippery slope and it was across college football across college sports across professional sports everyone's like this is really really bad and the fact that so many people were able to go on the record like coaches ades university presence the whole deal like universally everyone was on the side of the NCAA which is like the first time in history that has ever happened happened. And yeah, so this was a huge topic of conversation. And then basically what happened was

this past weekend, it was like, all right, well, the Big 12, maybe the NCAA can't do anything, but Texas Tech doesn't have to play them. The Big 12, they came under fire and the Big 12 kind of got together. And we're like, yeah, like, we could make this really difficult for him to be able to play. And so what happened was on Monday, they decided, they reported that, or the reports came out that he was going to, in fact, enter the supplemental draft. So, he will not be the quarterback for Texas Tech this year. And instead, he will enter the supplemental draft, which takes place next month in July.

Okay. Very good run. A lot there. Nicely done. Were you specifically, like, very happy about the fact that he changed and went to the supplemental draft just so. But the problem is this thing is now on the books, right? Yeah.

I mean, if he played this year, to me, like, this is the best outcome for everybody. And it's funny that, like, the punishment is that, that he gets to enter in the NFL. I shouldn't say funny. Like it's, I mean, it is like the punishment is, hey,

you're going to go pay millions of dollars to, to, to go play professional football this year. I think the, for all parties involved, because that was, that was ugly for the NCAA. Like,

if he, if he was playing games, that would have been bad, and it would have been a story that never ended. Every single game, he goes on the road, and it's a,

it's a circus. It would have been, it would have been, it would have been, it would have been bad. Okay. Now, Before we get into your specific scouting report on him, you have done the work here, you have watched him.

What is the, you mentioned that he is a guy who would have been in most mock drafts for next season. What is the general opinion about him as a player? The general opinion is that he is a very talented player with a lot of on-field requirement or refinement that is needed. Right. So there's a lot of development that we're projecting forward. And the way that I think I would have graded him going into the year, like I would have put him in a mock draft for next. spring because it would have been okay as a potential first round pick as a potential first round pick um with the idea that with another year of improvement this guy can get there right like that's kind

of you know that's usually the stance i take during the spring and summer is the projecting forward all right if he makes a couple strides here this is where he can get to um where i will push back on some of the report because that's the thing is like there's there's been a lot of reporting about this a lot of like draft analysts a lot of NFL insiders a lot of reporters a lot it's a lot going on about about swords beyond because it's a hot button topic around the league. It's like, oh, well, he's a first round player. Like, you know, first round, first round pick, second round pick. If he, if a team, if teams felt like he was worth a first round pick or even a second

round pick, he would have entered this draft, the 2026 draft. Because that was all the scuttle butt leading, you know, back in the fall was, oh, man, he's going, he's going into this class. He's going to, he wanted to take advantage of a weak quarterback class. And he was going to go in and he was going to compete with, with Mendoza to try and be the first quarterback selected. The fact that he went back shows they like the feedback he got both officially and unofficially like through the grapevine was, yeah, like go back to school.

You're probably looking more like mid rounds as opposed to early rounds. You need another year of development. Right. He literally hasn't played any games since he decided to go back to school because he wasn't thought of as a first round pick. Exactly right. So to me like I, the idea like oh, someone's going to spend a first round pick. Like that's not how it.

If it's a second rounder, that would very much. surprise me, which I know that's been a lot of the reporting. That would shock me. Well, let's, let's do this now. Before getting into the actual breakdown of the player, man, I find it really hard to believe that any team is going to use a second round supplemental draft pick on a player with this in his background. You know, we are, we are not talking about a wide receiver or, you know, a cornerback who like, you just, you just get them on task. It's an individual position, you know, go win. We're talking about the person who has to be the most reliable person in your locker room and the most reliable person in your building.

Yep. I would be, I would be shocked if a team uses a second round pick on this. This is like, I know, listen, it's the quarterback position. So just like you say, you have to rely on, him we know that it's the most position most important position in sports so you have to do the work and the upside of if this guy's a good enough quarterback like you know it's not it's not like you can't get over that

but I mean these resources are scarce a second round pick I no way no right and and and no and look I don't want to get too ahead of my skis in terms of like oh next year's quarterback class

is going to be great the way that the the stance that I'm taking on this, like, in perpetuity until things change is that it's more like the pipeline in college right now is exciting. There are a lot, there are a lot of young, talented quarterbacks to get excited about for the NFL. They're not all going to enter the 2027 draft. So all these names that we cycle through, you're going to see there's literally like a dozen names at quarterback in mock drafts right now. It's a lot of names. The chances are that, I don't know, like a third of them enter. And so, you know, maybe a couple of them aren't actually first round pick so you know maybe three or four end up in the first round it'd be a good that'd be a good

class um you by spending a first or a second or even a second round pick for next year you are saying we are going to we're putting all of our eggs in this basket on brend and sorsby in a truncated process where we are acquiring all of our information and like doing all of our interviews with him and like all at face time as opposed to hey like next year you know we got a we get a full draft process with darian mensa from miami or lenora sellers from from South Carolina, right? Like, you, you are foregoing that by spending a second round pick now. Now, if you get into third round pick, fourth round pick, like, that's a little bit easier

pill to swallow. And that's why I think that's what the price ends up being. It's probably more like fourth, fifth round, but we can get into that as well. And by the way, you're also, you know, this is someone who needs development. By drafting him in the supplemental draft, you are missing. It's not the most important thing, but you've already chosen to miss one full spring of development, right? his rookie year is going to be wasted because he's you know you got to get him up to speed in the

playbook in the summer he's obviously not going to do anything his rookie season so you're already lopping off one year of development essentially um i mean so much of the work is going to come down to figure out the guy like you know this was not a one-off thing this was a constant thing he was doing he clearly knew what he was doing was wrong he's using aliases he did it over multiple years. The end of the way, like the, the whole because he checked himself into, you know, into like the treatment program and stuff like that. The betting apps turned,

were the ones that like flagged him and turned him into the NCAA, right? Like this wasn't like a, hey, like, you know, he, he like, uh, came forward to Texas tech. It was like, hey, I did this wrong. I need help. Like this only happened because he got caught essentially. So it's a, I know, and I know like the agent came out and saying like, oh, Cincinnati knew. I find that very hard to believe. Knowing the gravity of that within college athletics, like trying to cover that up is a,

that's like everybody goes down for that. The entire, the entire, the whole bubble goes down for that. And I don't think Cincinnati was in position to try and make that bet with source. I feel like we've talked about this. The more, the longer that we have been covering the league and covering player development and the, and the draft process,

don't you feel like the more you feel like the person matters more than anything else? Right? You got to have the baseline talent. And obviously, we're all going to be, you know, sucked in by different intangibles at different times.

But you got to be wired the right way, you know, to be able to continue to push yourself and all these different things. I don't know. I can't think of a quarterback who came in with these

questions about their actual dedication to the game who really worked out. You know what I mean? Like, you know, it's easy to throw Johnny Mansell into the well and it's a slightly different kind of thing. But like, you know, there are sort of at least that we knew about, right? Like that's the...

There are sort of dog whistly type things that get thrown around sometimes with, you know, when Lamar Jackson's entering the league and that's a different thing. but that's not really like dedication to the game right you know and there you hear things after the fact like okay maybe the reason anthony richardson didn't work out in indianapolis is because he wasn't you know there all the time and and studying and like fully focused on the job at hand but i don't know like like baker mayfield was it was a slightly more abrasive personality that's i mean he was he was up right like there was the personality end of it as opposed to there was no questioning like

the dedication. He was a two-time walk-on, like, All-American, like, you know, there was, there was no questioning that part of Baker. So it's, yeah, it's a, it is a tricky situation, man. And there's, there's a lot of layers to it. And honestly, there's, there's a lot more to unpeal, which we'll do it in the next. All right. Let's take a break. Let's come back. Let's get the full Fran Duffy scouting report on Brendan Sorsby. What kind of player is he? What kind of player could he become? Stay tuned on the PHILI Eagles podcast. Imagine Wi-Fi that makes everything in your home work together. That finds and fixes problems before you even notice them.

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he has said like i think in that first uh that first filing for the injunction said like that was he wanted to stay at stay connected that was his way to stay connected to the team was to get as he was redshirting so uh that is that was his take uh on that now in 2020 he wins an off-season battle with an incoming transfer Tavon Jackson. So he was the underdog in that. So he ends up winning the battle against the incoming transfer, starts a handful of games that season. And, you know, it was up and down.

I think he ended up going one and six overall on the season. The win happened late in the year. You know, I would say the highlight was probably the Penn State game, took a bunch of hits, but made a couple of big throws. That was the last season for Tom Allen and that coaching staff. So again, Tom Allen, that staff get fired. he immediately enters the transfer portal. He ends up in Cincinnati just a few days later, again,

before Signetti gets hired there by the Hoosier. So in 2024, he starts every single game for the Bearcats. And now they go five and two to start the season. Hot start. Then they go 0 and 5 to end the regular season. He completes just 59% of his passes down the stretch, five touchdowns, three picks. The reason why I bring that up, that was a theme the following year.

So in 2025, so this past fall, he's in every game starter, team captain they go seven and one to start the year since now one of the hottest teams in the big 12 they go oh and four to close the season he completes just 56 percent of his passes seven touchdowns four picks in that game what that means is he has not won a game after Halloween since twenty twenty three and that was his only win as a starter that season now box score scouting you know there's not you know you there were some throws that were nice and like into the Utah game but it is what it is like that that is something that teams like I guarantee you there are scouts and there are coaches that are going to bring that up over the

discussions in a few weeks. So yeah, that's absolutely going to come up with Sorsby. So that's kind of the background. Again, he ends up, he goes honorable mention all big 12. That's the biggest accolade he's gotten over the course of his career. This is a like traits based evaluation solely because, again, like that from an accolade standpoint, there's not a lot there. So he ends up going into the transfer portal and ends up at Texas Tech.

Here's what I saw from him on film. This is a guy who's 6-3-2-35, so he's well-built, solid height, thick, sturdy frame. And he's a good athlete. He's not just, like, slippery in a short area. He's got speed to go to the corner. He can create big plays as a runner. If he's got a crease, he can eat up extra yardage, and he's a threat to keep it on a lot of their option runs, RPO's.

They pulled that lever often, and he was really effective in that. And he's a big, strong kid who can withstand contact and live to the next play. There was a lot of, like, physical plays where it's like, oh, he lowers the shoulder and stuff like, oh, it gets he excited. arm strength-wise, it's pretty good. Like, certainly check the box there. I would not call him like Josh Allen level thrower. Like he's not like a woe arm.

But he could put a lot of air under his deep ball. You can make every throw in the book in terms of what he's going to be asked to do from an NFL standpoint. Now, the offense that he played in, not great. Most of his pre-snap direction came from the sideline. It was pretty rudimentary from like a conceptual standpoint. point, like not a lot of like, like, full field reads and things like that. Not a lot of evidence of him like navigating dirty pockets with his eyes up in the middle

of that offense, right? So he wasn't asked to do a ton pre-snap. Post-snap, it was like basically like one read and then I'm out. And so there's it's a lot. And from what I gather and having conversations with people, he was not taught like how to watch film. He doesn't know how to like break down defenses. Like he wasn't asked to do it in college.

And so it's good that, which is fine. that's not that's not like completely irregular but it's a layer of projection that you also have to factor in like he's he's very much going to be a project one of the way you would look at that you can look at it half last fool and say all right well what's this kid going to look like when he does learn how to break down film patchman holmes didn't know how to break down film it did not a read a defense when he got in the league and when you you know you take that next step so you go at swordsby and say the same thing um so you know there's two ways to kind of look at that uh again there are flashes of him kind of going deep into the progression

but not often enough. Most likely, more often than not, it was drop his eyes, get a little frenetic when that first read's not there. Very much a see-it thrower. Not a lot of anticipation passes. Not a lot of like work in the middle of the field, like things of that nature.

It was like drop back, grip it, and rip it kind of deal. As a pure passer, there's a lot to get excited about. Fast release. He can easily change the arm angle to find throwing lanes. He's very creative as a thrower in that way. A lot of passes getting knocked down at the line of scrimmage. They're like lower body mechanics that can suffer late in the down. I thought the longer he held the ball, the worse he got as a thrower.

Like that's where things kind of went awry for him a little bit. I thought the accuracy and ball placement was not necessarily strength, not a weakness, but especially under pressure. Like he got a little frenetic. He sped up his process. And I thought the accuracy and ball placement was sporadic in those instances. His touch is really, really good, though. Like really good slot fades, back shoulders, like outside the numbers, the whole layer throws

over the middle of the field, down the scene. He could change up his arm speed on the knee throws. Like the touch is really good to all levels. I mentioned the toughness. That shows up as a runner more so than like poison the pocket as a passer. But like he's a tough physical kid. But again, like just that offense that he ran,

extremely RPO heavy. A lot of screens. A lot of like just like, all right, downfield, like throw the deep ball. All right, downfield. I'm reading the safety and I'm kind of throwing. So it's a lot of projection with the player. on the field, much less when you get into the off field as well.

All right. Let's close the book on the big takeaway presented by X-Finity because I don't think you're getting as good of a breakdown of Brendan Sourdesby anywhere. I have a lot of questions, a lot of follow-ups. There's a little portion there where you did make it sound like Jalen Hertz. Yeah, a little bit. Balls batted down at the line of scrimmage, gets worse as the down goes on, as the longer he holds the ball.

But most of the beginning of that of that scouting. report. I mean, I can't help but think, what are we even doing here? This is like a, this is like a middle of the off season creation. The idea that this guy could go in the top two rounds. It's insane. Yeah. It hasn't been taught to, hasn't been taught to watch film yet. Right. That's what I mean. But there are guys that have gotten drafted high that where that's the case. So that's why it's not a, that alone is not the crazy part. It's just like, it's just another layer on top of it. Um, I also like I did not read like the like the final summary. Should I read the final summary?

Like just how I kind of view them. So this is the final summary here on Sorsby. My dog is very excited by this, by the way. Three year college starter across two power four programs. Tough athletic quarterback with good touch to all levels of the field. He can complete throws from various arm angles and could be a playmaker with his legs. If you can keep him clean and keep the reeds well defined for him, he can absolutely execute your offense at a very high level.

And when things are not as clean, I think his play really suffers. The longer he holds the ball, the more than his mechanics, accuracy, and processing all wayne. While he's capable of creating outside of structure, it's a bit more volatile than I'd like to see at this stage of his development before entering the NFL. Overall, I see a player with the physical traits to be an NFL starter, but with an understandably very wide range of outcomes. There is still projection required with this player both on and off the field from a football standpoint. And if pressed, I think he's more likely to stick long term as a spark plug backup quarterback as opposed to being a team's answer at the position. position. The upside is there to be an elusive aggressor who is capable of making big plays as both a runner and thrower, but patience and the right ecosystem will be required. I would not want him to play right away. And obviously, he's not going to play right away because of the circumstances you laid out earlier. I will give you one statistical note on Brendan Sorsby, ran him through the full, you know, breakdown of all the elite quarterbacks. All the elite quarterbacks drafted in the last 15 years, there are only, you know, breakdown of all the elite quarterbacks drafted in the last 15 years. There are only, you know, who had a worse completion percentage and final year completion percentage than Sorsby's 61.6.

And it's Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen. And he's not that kind of athlete, right? He is a legitimate athlete. He's a legitimate athlete. He's a really good. Is he a Josh Allen level athlete? I mean, Alan's bigger. So like, he's not as dynamic as Lamar.

He's a good athlete. Like he's a better athlete. I'm trying to give like Eagles fans. Like he's got more juice that Hertz does. Like serves in terms of like straight line juice. Really? Yeah, he does. He's like he's a legitimate.

Honestly. Okay. Well, that changes things a little bit. And my comparison for him is Jackson Dart. And Dart like as we, I mean, we've seen it.

Like Dart's a reasonable comparison. Yeah. Darts a good athlete. What I wrote with the Jackson Dark comparison, let me just pull it up. I said, dart was maybe a bit better as a vertical passer, but the athleticism, the toughness and the size are all reminiscent of the 2025 first round pick. My grade on Sorsby is a bit higher than it was on DART.

And I have a bit more of a positive outlook on him potentially reaching his upside than I did with DART. Interesting. Why? Dart was just, he was like all over the place. Dart, I struggled with D'R. I had a day three grade on DART and saw him as like a future backup. Yeah, whereas Soresby, like, I can sit there and I be like, all right, I can see it with him. He's bigger. He's a little bit more.

He's a little bit sturdier. I think he's a little bit more dynamic as an athlete than even Dart was. That's what I mean. Like, he's got real athleticism. It's not just like, oh, like he's athletic for a white guy. Like he's, he could scoot. He can go. Okay.

But you're telling me like essentially like if this, in a world where this guy becomes a starting quarterback, that's got to be a major part of what he's bringing to the offense. I think that I think you're going to want to This is not a guy who's a winning pocket passer. No, not right now he's not. No, because he wasn't asked to do it. He can't rid of field apparently. Right, yes.

Don't you think that that's a, you know, you can say Patrick Mahomes didn't do it. Obviously a different system entirely. You know, Jared Goff wasn't asked to do it. Like there are there, there have been guys that, you know, depending on the schemes that they come out of. But don't you think it's an indictment of the, of the player that he's not, that his coaches have.

adjudicated that he's not ready for it? Um, or it's just bad coaching. I think it's a matter of like, the way they, the way that you typically hear about it is like, it's not our job to get a guy ready for the NFL. Our job is to win games on Saturday.

Right. And we got to make the most of what we can do with the time that we're a lot of. But, you know, and of course, this guy, he can't be in the, uh, film room all the time because he's got to be on his phone making bets. Well, that's exactly right. I just, I can't. I can't believe a team would use more than a six-round pick. Now, I do love the game theory of the supplemental draft.

I know, I do. It is honestly, it is like a round of swooper. Like, it's literally like that. Well, yes, it's your, get your silent bids. Yes. It's very fun. We'll get into on the other side. Mechanics of that.

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The NFL's all about. I hadn't really thought about it until you mentioned it. Boy, how cucked has Tom Allen been? I mean, to watch. to watch me the Indiana football coach and be like, I did my best, but it's Indiana football. What can you do? And then Signity comes in and wins the national title two years later.

It's very funny. And then his quarterback, the guy that he was, you know, he brought in as a quarterback, which is good. Like, you got him there. Yeah. But now he's potentially a first round pick as well. Very funny. All right.

Let's talk about the Eagles of it all here. Now, anytime anybody interesting. in the NFL is available in any way, the Eagles are going to be linked to that person, whether it's a veteran, a rookie, whatever it is. But I can get on board with the idea of the Eagles making sense here for two reasons. One, because we know that Howard Roseman is going to turn over every rock at the quarterback position, no doubt about it, they are doing their work on him.

Number two, I can get behind the idea that because of the prospect that he is, everything that is coming around with him, that it's better for him to land in a relatively stable environment, a place where they have a history of developing quarterbacks. And, you know, the Eagles have all of these guys in the building now. You know, Gerard Johnson, here's your special project, right? Like, this is what you can do. You can just take this guy on sort of an individual quarterback development tour.

They don't need him to be anything. anytime soon and if he's entering with expectations of we want to build him into a backup you know that's a better place for him to land all of that said it's a quarterback I just I don't believe that

that they are interested in this type of personality at that position it's not the same just laying it out there not the same yeah this is the team that took the chance on like Michael Vic it's not the same you know but you know you go like they have not

been afraid they signed Tim Tebow they were not afraid of like the circus the circus that's I was trying to think the right yeah the circus as a backup quarterback not afraid of that here's what here's the other shoe to drop though what I expect that teams are going to try and see if they can if they can't get it officially like at least through back channel can they can teams figure out from the NFL if there's going to be a suspension and what kind of suspension there will be on Brendan Sorsby as a rookie. The precedent here that we have seen in the past, Terrell Pryor is the last quarterback to get drafted in the supplemental draft.

I want to say it was 2012, maybe 2012, 2013 after like the tattoo gate at Ohio State, where he and several teammates received tattoos without having to pay for them, which we are worlds removed. Yeah. How quaint is that? Yes. So it was a six-game suspension by the NCAA for impermissible benefits back then. and the NFL in kind said, all right, you enter the NFL,

you are also going to face a six-game suspension for that with the idea that we don't want to become like the fallback option. If you get declared an eligible, you can just come in and you're not going to get punished by the league. So will the NFL levy some kind of punishment against Sorsby as a rookie? There's two aspects of this, though, because I've been thinking about this the last couple days. On one hand, let's say they go, like, because again,

he bet on his own team. right and you know Calvin Ridley Isaiah Rogers like you know those guys got Calvin Ridley placed prop bets on from wrong you were the Calvin Ridley expert on this podcast place bets on his own team or prop bets and he got suspended for a full year yeah that's the get which he admitted and that's the thing is that Sorbsby admitted to this in the filing to the NCAA to get the injunction do you do you say we're all right we're going full year suspension If that's the case, I do think that that opens up more teams to be willing, because now you're looking at it's like, who cares what our quarterback room looks like right now?

He's going to be on the commissioner's suspended list anyway. So it's not like his presence impacts our 2026 step chart, but. Well, you know what's interesting. Go ahead. If that's the case, though, if there's one relapse, if there's one mess up, if there's one bad night, I think he's cut. I think he's done after that because it's only you get suspended once for one year. the next one is from what I understand is like you're out yeah so like that to me like while it might expand the more you know more landing spots it also makes their the risk yeah but the flip side to that is I I don't know how the contracts work because there's a world

where you would want him suspended for a whole year yeah because then you you right you can't count you get four years after that yeah right it doesn't count uh as opposed to having this sort of wasted first year that's a rookie contract on a player who's going to take some development time anyway. So there's a world in which you would kind of want that. He's also, he's not a member of the NFLPA at this point. Here's my, here's the other take for me. NFL players, they're not going to feel sympathy.

So like in terms of like the players union stuff like that. Yeah. It is, it is very clear whether a college or pro, football, baseball, does matter. Like betting on your, betting period is off limit. It is what it is. Like, we can talk about. hypocrisy of it. But like it is very clear.

You get covered every summer. You show up for training camp. You know you're going to have to sit through some kind of presentation from whatever governing body in your sport about the rules and the do's and don'ts of gambling and sports gambling, especially when it comes to, you know, anything having to do with your team. Like don't give away information. Don't say like all that stuff.

The mental like to and I will rub me the wrong way about it is like the not only like the claim. I can get behind the claiming the like. like the mental health aspect of it with like the gambling disorder end of it. Well, yeah. And we'll get, we'll go ahead. Well, the other part of it, though, is that they were saying like, hey, we want this injunction to be filed and basically don't let me be ineligible because my mental health

will suffer if I'm not able to be with my team this year. It's like, no, your mental health will suffer because you're not going to get the $6 million that you signed with, uh, this, you know, this off season for Texas Tech. Like, to me, like that, that one really struck a nerve with me, because, that like, not pooh-poo's, but that like, for the people that actually do suffer, like, through mental, that one, that rubbed me the wrong way. The pointing that, look, this is all out of Sorsby's camp right now. They're like, oh, Cincinnati knew about the whole thing.

Every, Cincinnati should be getting in trouble. I just, I don't know, man. Like, the whole thing kind of rubbed me the wrong way. Now, from an Eagles perspective, we should say they don't have a third round pick right now to use in the supplemental draft because we we expect they're going to get a compensatory third round pick for the gilin phillips signing but they don't own that yet so they can't use a third round pick for the john for the grunard trade right um yep so fourth round pick at earliest i'm yeah there's no way they're going to use a second

no it's not there i dude if someone spends a second round pick i would be floored i would be very absolutely blown away you're absolutely right though that that that the league the league kind of owes teams I think so. Heads up on what the suspension, like, yeah, what the punishment would be for the player. I really I would be shocked.

I would be shocked if the Eagles use even a sixth round pick on this player. Maybe a sixth. Maybe. So again, there's been a lot of the reports, second round pick, right? Like, and it's,

We've heard that from it. It's not just like one insider. It's been multiple insiders, multiple like NFL draft analysts. Like second rounder. I don't buy that at all. I do think that fourth round is probably where it starts. And I think that that's probably the realistic thing. And so if there was a team that becomes so smitten with him and understike and it's like, hey, like, we really want to get them.

We want to make sure we get them. We got to spend a three. What's the difference between a three and a four? Like I think that would be like to me like that is the ceiling of what happens here. Um, but even then like if a team spends a three, I would still be surprised. I think it's much more likely to be a state. too. I mean, it is a, it's a marshmallow test for GMs.

Like, okay, let's get it. Let's get an exciting quarterback in here now. Uh, you know, I can use a third round pick. That's fine. There's other guys, man. Like, that's the problem. Well, that's the other part of it, right? Is like the, you know, again, we talked about earlier is like, if you

you are by selecting Sorsby here, you are chipping away your potential to be able to get a guy next year with a full slate, right? With a full like pre-draft process, which look, NFL scouts, like area scouts knew the book on Sorsby. Like they did the work on them last fall.

And the way they go through everybody. But, you know, you're going to have a pro day in a couple weeks now down in Texas somewhere where all 32 teams are going to have some form of representation there. Teams saw him at like the Manning Passing Academy and things like that. Only a handful of reps were, you know, at that event last summer. So, you know, you're going to have some meetings, you know, some Zoom meetings.

But again, like, it's going to be compressed in a tight spot. You don't have that long runway that you do between like All-Star games and Combine and Pro Day and 30 visits and Zooms and private workouts. Like that all gets squished in. So you've got to feel. Yeah. Damn confident. I mean, it is.

evaluating quarterbacks from college and projecting them into the NFL is the most difficult job that any NFL team has all season long, all year long. Like that is the most difficult thing. It's the highest stakes, but it's like the widest range of outcomes with, like nobody is ever more wrong than they are in projecting quarterbacks. Yeah.

To roll, I mean, you know, we can make the gambling analogies, to roll that 20-sided dice, but make it on a guy who it's an even wider projection. And as you say, in an even more truncated time period where you have less information than ever, I just, no thanks is kind of how I feel about it.

You do the work. Yeah, you do the work on it. Yes. And that's like all time. I'm sure every team is interested. Every team is, because they got, I shouldn't say they have nothing else.

That's exactly right. Yeah. The difference is they have one person to evaluate right now. They can spend all of their time on this one guy. Exactly. So every team is going is turning over every single stone. I'm sure like people at Cincinnati and Indiana that have been around this kid, even in Texas Tech, like their phones are ringing off the hook from everyone that they know in the league. Because it's like, all right, who do we know at these schools that can give us some character references right now? But the league to do that the league takes the gambling stuff extreme. You can't, especially a court. Imagine like a quarterback quarterback gambling controversy. Like he's bad.

in player props and he's just funneling the ball to a guy. Right. I put a cool $100,000 on Adrian Killens over, you know, half a reception. Right. We got him. We got him the ball, baby. Literally, they, that's why it would not shock me if he got a one-year suspension out of gate.

Wouldn't shock me. I'd be more, I'd be more surprised at that than I was that the, that the, that the, the Texas judge, like, even like, Grant. I was floored by. that man like i could not believe that they filed that injunction to get him to be eligible um well i mean i shouldn't be but like i could literally the notification came on my phone it was like quarterback brendsore me and i just like side swiped it because i was like oh like yeah whatever he got uh you know he's he's not eligible um he's going to enter the supplemental draft

i did a podcast all the all NFL draft podcast a month and change ago because i was like yeah he's not he's not playing another down college football he's going he's going to go on the supplemental draft um So I was shocked that that was the result a week and a half ago. All right. We got to take our last break here on the PHA Y Eagles podcast. On the other side, what else? But a segment sponsored by a gambling company. Stay with us.

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Back on the page of O'A-Gos podcast, Bo and Fran, and it's time for the hand-y-eert-presented by our friends at Parks Casino. I'm going to ask you to go on the record here, Fran, three options for outcomes for Brendan Soresby's career. Okay. Let's check them out. We got top 20 starter. What a graphic.

Fringe starter slash backup or washout. And this is not a turkey spreading situation. You got to put all your chips on one. I know where I'm going. I'm going to go option B. Okay. Fringe starter slash backup. French starter backup.

I'm going washout. No offense. to the guy, but I think those are the, those are the odds. I would, those are the odds that I would play. I think that's the most likely situation for this player. I think if he had played this year at Texas Tech, and by the way, there are people, myself included, that I was very intrigued to see, like once the thing came down,

like, oh, he's going to play this year, where my head went was like, it's going to be fascinating to see how he handles this, like, because every single game is going to be like, he is going to be under fire. It won't, again, not saying it's the same thing, but it's like similar in ways to like the Deshawn Watson, like during when he was in Cleveland and it was like, it was literally like every game, like it's a huge, it's a huge stroke because, you know, the opposing team, like you're going up against this guy that's the super embattled quarterback.

Every stadium, Sorsby's going to go into, he's just going to be getting like, you know, the fans, like it's going to be a story the entire season. Yeah. And how to me, that's a loop. losing battle. Like I would thought he, I would think he would have no shot at that. And I think that like a 22 year old kid, a 21 year old kid probably gets crushed by something like that. And to me, like that would have been option three would have been more on the table for me. I do think that this is still crazy and this is still going to be a huge story. But I do.

Yeah, but in the NFL, everybody forgets about it. Yeah, exactly. He's just another guy. Yeah, the novelty of it will wear off. He'll be in the background, suspended, all that, it'll bounce back up once he's reinstated, you know, and then we'll see where the talent brings him. Okay, that'll do it for the hand you dealt, presented by our friends at Parks Casino. A few minutes left, Fran, if you want to get into some big picture philosophical discussion

about just the role of gambling in sports, what's on your mind? Yeah, you know, I had this conversation with Cuzz back when it was announced that he was going, when Sorgeby was going back to Texas Tech. And, you know, And I get it, the idea of like, well, you know, we put it. It's in these kids' faces like nonstop.

And, you know. No doubt about it. I agree with that. There's a predatory nature to it. Yes. I can be on board with that. That said, because, you know, like working in the NFL, you work for the Eagles for, you know, a handful of years. Like, you know, like, you start that, you start every, every year, you got to go through.

got to watch the whole presentation. You got to fill you got to answer the quiz. You got to do the whole thing. The players have to do the same thing. The coaches all have to do the same thing. It's the same thing in college, working in college athletics and, you know, playing, you know, playing down there. There's signage everywhere.

I would imagine that especially now, like, because I, when I worked in college, like, this was not nearly as readily available as it is now. So like, I would imagine that that stuff is covered even on a more frequent basis. Clearly he knew what he was doing was wrong because he was, like, attempting to cover his tracks as he went on. in his career, I have less sympathy for it just from that end of it. Now, I do have sympathy, like, writ large. Like, you know, I think that that's, it's something that the, that's, you know, we as a

society need to like, you know, guard against. But I don't know, man. I think that this one, to me, this is a signal of like what you were talking about earlier, like just like the bad decision making, like the trustworthy, trustworthiness aspect of it. It's a quarterback. to be your quarterback. Exactly right.

Yeah, I think the, you know, the intersection of sports and especially college sports and gambling and where the money is coming from in sports these days, you know, that is where it is. And, you know, bow at the altar of that, it's not ideal, the interconnectivity of it all. I think from just a, this player, perspective. I just get the fact that it's the

quarterback I like it just to me that's a that's a no go. It's not going to it's not going to be the last time we see this that's for sure. No. I mean we we just saw there was a huge scandal at Iowa State they ended up booting like it was a bunch of kids like off their off their team.

One of them was a prospect like you know not the same level of prospect as Sorsby but this was three seasons ago. And I would imagine there are plenty of people in in uh at Iowa state that are like what the hell like you know when it's came they're like oh yeah we're we're gonna we're gonna allow them to play um because they would they had to get rid of a handful of guys off that team uh for the you know so this is it's not the first time it's definitely it's not gonna be the last

time no definitely not where are you at whether like you're i was i get with swordsby like you're you're not touch them yeah yeah uh do you think they will i'm not i don't think so i really don't think so well let's talk you know we didn't really talk about the the like the actual the quarterback room quarterback room of it all. Yeah, right, yeah. Right. I mean, first of all, the idea that you would be the league's highest bidder on a quarterback like this,

I feel like that doesn't send a great signal to Jalen Hertz. And you're, you're so desperate to bring another quarterback to this building. When you just traded for Andy Dalton and, you know, drafted Cole Payton, you know, obviously those guys are not pushing Jailen Hertz, the Super Bowl MVP of quarterback, but like you're so intensely focused on bringing in bets on the position.

That's not great. There is a real need for them in their mind, I think, to at the very least, have a new backup quarterback because this is going to be the last year of Tanner McKee's rookie contract. They're obviously not planning on Andy Dalton being here for a long time. Cole Payton was drafted to have a chance at him becoming that guy. I think I think SORSbee probably would have gone higher in the draft than then Colpaden would have. So the reason they were interested in Colt Payton is the same reason that they would be interested in having a player like Sorosby as a rookie.

I just I can't really get there. Yeah. To me as a how we as a how a trigger. And that's why that's why the let's say the league comes down and they're like, hey, like it's going to be a 10 game suspension or a 16 game suspension. And we should say the games don't matter on that. The Eagles will, or any team will not care about him being suspended for games, but when you are suspended,

you can't be in the building. So that means he's losing development time, you know, in the meeting room on the practice field. That's what's more important. But you maintain his rights. So it's like, okay,

well, now he's, he's ours by the time we get to next year, you know, by the time we get to next year, he gets reinstated when Andy Dalton and Tanner McKee's contracts expire. So now we have this guy in the building. And so that, but now,

like I said earlier, like one more mistake and he's cooked. We did actually not go over the actual mechanics of the of the supplemental draft either. I mentioned that it's like a blind bid that we do like for Swooper. But basically what happens is the each every, all 32 teams

you get put into one of three buckets. You have the first bucket, which is every team, I believe the number is six wins or less. So the, basically the top of the draft, that's one bucket. Next one is the non-playoff teams. That's the second bucket. And then all the playoff teams that's another bucket each of those buckets gets randomized one time so it's like

so it's not the draft order from april it is they get randomized and no one knows what the order is um so then that way that feels shady well roger you're up to something but basically what that allows for is that you know if um if you were the eagles and you say you are well the steelers were ahead of us So if we want, you know, basically, you know, you don't know who's ahead of you or who is behind you in the order. You know, and so then basically what the NFL then we'll do is like, all right, the first overall pick. Let's just say it's the, you know, let's say it's the Cleveland Browns. First overall pick, Cleveland Browns, we reach out to them. Do you want to spend the first overall pick on Brandon Sorsby?

They say no. All right, now we go to the second pick, third pick, fourth pick, and you go straight down the line until someone says yes. And that's basically how it goes. And it's all done like one to one. it's not like a big ballroom. So it's a unique process and it'll happen. They haven't announced it yet, but it'll happen in the next few weeks. Well, let me ask you this question.

If you were a team in the quarterback wilderness, the Jets or whoever it is, the Browns, whatever it is, would you rather use a third round pick on Sourisbee in the supplemental draft or trade a third round pick for Tanner McKee? Good question. the difference obviously being if you trade for McKee you're going to have to sign him you're going to have to pay him real money eventually

after this season whereas Sorosby you're going to have on a rookie contract the upside is in theory higher yes but it's it's a much further distance away whereas McKee could potentially he could get you capability this year and you know who knows what his upside is right

I think that's a good question that you probably think about but I mean that's how that's I feel like that's the heavy angles like he's calling up guys like guys you're thinking about using a mid round pick on this guy who's gonna be suspended for just send me the pick for McGee yeah right what are we doing yeah yeah I again I think they because people are pointing to the Jats people are pointing to the Browns you know the usual suspects that quarterback. I do think that a team like Tampa or a team like Carolina where it's like more not like an immediate need, but it's like a potential need for down the road like Houston. Like those are the

ones where I'm like, all right, that might make some sense. You want to put down, you know, you think you could be a good team, a playoff contending team where you're picking in the middle or the late part of the round next year. And, you know, and now you get a shot with a late third round pick or a late fourth round pick to bring in a guy that could be your answer down the line, I think that's a worthwhile risk. I think I would just be, I will be really surprised if a good organization drafts him. My expectation is it will be a bad organization. I see that.

I see there. Yep. Okay. Good discussion. Yeah. On a full Brendan Sorsby episode for a Friday. Enjoy the weekend, everybody. enjoy the USA game.

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