PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Can an Eagles offense this MEDIOCRE still land in the Super Bowl or is Kevin Patullo doomed?

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

We know the Eagles offense, despite having Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith, Dallas Goedert and Saquon Barkley, is performing like a very mediocre group. If that doesn’t turn around significantly, is there any precedent for an offense that mid still making the Super Bowl? Is there any chance of a playcaller change? How do the Eagles fill Andrew Mukuba’s void at safety?EJ Smith and Bo Wulf are back in the saddle. Join them. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity Studio presented by Bet365 and Ashley. Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, back in the saddle here. And plenty to discuss as the Eagles prepare for a Black Friday game against the also 8 and 3 Chicago Bears. We've got plenty to talk about on the show today. First, though, I'm first. I mean, we've got to push the merch, baby, because it's Black Friday week. It goes a plane on Friday. We've got to tell you that now is the time to take advantage of the Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales.

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I'm doing well. You know, it's funny. I, so not to get too much into the iPhone story. I feel self-conscious about the open, the open hoodie jacket zipper thing. No, it looks good. You got a layer this time in here. Should I zip it? I don't know. I want to show the merch. I don't think you should zip it. It only like has it. It's not my go-to look. What do you mean? It's not your go-to look. I've seen you wear this before. Not with the open. I don't go open-ended. I feel like I've seen that from you before.

you haven't because this is definitely the first time I've ever done it on the show I'm a big like open shirt yeah it's a good look for you yeah you got to you got to layer the colors and everything so yeah I am excited I got a shipment of PHOI gear coming so I'm you know listen it's not just the listeners that are taking part in the sale I'm very excited to get to stock up on some pHOI stuff all right we've got plenty to talk about on this show coming up today we're going to talk about the running game can they get fixed uh Nick Siriani saying that he trusts the players and your interpretation of what that means, all of that stuff. But we've got to start, E.J., with the big deal presented by Cherry Hill Mitsubishi.

The big deal, of course, the news that broke yesterday about Drew McCuba, the rookie safety, who you have written about, suffering what is likely to be a season-ending fractured ankle, suffered on the final play of the game on defense. We saw what Sidney Brown did when he was on the field on Sunday. Reed Blankenship is banged up, obviously. How do you feel about the safety position right now? Yeah, it's a difficult blow for the Eagles because of the fact that they don't have a lot of depth

at that position, and we spent a lot of time talking in the last month about, like, can they lean on the defense? Can the defense be the thing that wins them games? And, you know, now that they have a, like, I guess, a depleted secondary, that becomes a bigger question. So, yeah, I don't know if the, I think that they're still waiting to see if it's going to be a season-ender for Drew McClain.

Cuba, but he's going to miss a lot of time regardless, and I guess at this point it might be really evaluating how deep the Eagles make it into the playoffs to leave the door open for him. And, yeah, it really, stylistically, Sidney Brown is a very different player than Andrew McCuba. They are very different. I mean, stylistically, Sydney Brown is just much different to pretty much any safety the Eagles have, and then you throw in the fact that they might be without a Dory Jackson in this game, and having Keely Ringo end Sydney Brown in your secondary, suddenly you feel a lot, a lot confident in consistency down in and down out from that group.

Yeah, I mean, listen, it's a, it's a huge deal in the short term, you know, who knows who's going to start on Friday. It's probably going to be, you know, Keeley Ringo, if Adroy Jackson can't play, Keeley Ringo on the outside, Sidney Brown, and if re-blanketship can play, those guys with Kuber Dijian at safety, Eminet Nickel, it's not, it's not the short term that concerns me, obviously. It is the stakes what you're saying about if we will get to the offense because if the offense isn't going to pick up at Slack, which we have seen really no reason to believe that that's going to happen. If this team is going to make real noise in the playoffs, it's going to come on the strength of the defense being awesome. And it's hard to believe that the defense can be difference-making awesome if they've got two big throw-it-hear signs in the secondary, right?

Yeah. And not just throw-it-hear signs, but guys who can miss tackles because that's, you know, the Sydney Brown experience is not just about the passing. game. It's about him flying downhill 100 miles an hour and just whiffing on a guy. Or hitting his own teammates. Or hitting his own teammate, right? Yeah. So, I mean, you have to have faith that Vic Fangio has like six weeks to figure out what the playoff defense is going to look like, but the options here are not great. I mean, listen, Sidney Brown

not only lost the job to Drew McCuba, but once Marcus Epps started playing, he lost the backup job to Marcus Epps before Marcus Epps got hurt. Yeah, you can understand why, because like I mentioned, he's such a different player than what Vic Fangio wants in the safety and like that's we've talked about it a lot I've I've like I've talked about the fact that safetys feel very defensive coordinator specific and you know you could almost squint and envision a role for Sidney Brown in past iterations of the Seagull's defense but with Fangio it's really hard to like envision him being like the cerebral post safety that they're

going to need him to be so I do wonder if it's Cooper de Gene at safety I don't I'm not saying I love what that does to the secondary but I don't know I feel like that might make the most sense especially like high-leveraged games, like where you need to trust those guys? Because otherwise, you know, it's, okay, we cross our fingers and hope that Marcus Seps gets back healthy. Or, you know, what are you, you know, what are you going to do, sign Max and Hook off the Seahawks practice squad and bring him back? Like, I think you are certainly downgrading the nickel position if you end up going to Jean at safety with Blankenship, Michael Carter at Nickel and you hope a Dori Jackson comes back and plays on the outside. obviously nickel takes a step back but I think I think that's probably better yeah I mean Vic Fangio has talked about like the fact that Andrew McCuba stopped giving up explosive plays

and that was a big step for the defense and like Sydney Brown I feel like you just can't trust him to be to be a reliable reliable player back there I think that you know it it it lessens the variance yeah yeah so Vic Fangio is talking right now so per our friend Elliot Short Parks. Some of the updates from Fangio's press conference, Sidney Brown will start with Drew McCubal. So he leans towards Sydney. He expects it. Well, yeah, but he can't say anything else. He doesn't, he has no other choices right now. Well, I mean, Cooper was a choice. He said that Cooper will likely start at outside corner if a Dory Jackson can't play, any of that he expects read Blankenship to play, and that Michael Carter has been the fourth safety, the last few

games. So it sounds like it'll be Cooper on the outside and Sidney Brown at safety. In this game, I kind of understand, like, not wanting to have too many moving pieces. Sure. But I still do think that Cooper de Genan, at safety, in the future, especially when Adori Jackson comes back, I probably feel better about that being the secondary. Yeah. Now, listen, you know, in a short week, you got to lean on the guys who have been playing. Sidney Brown played in the base defense in the beginning of the season before Makuba fully took over. You would hope that he'll be better with a week's worth of practice.

Yeah. You cross your fingers. but I mean It's not a week's worth of practice though They're only going to have Well I know what the truth is that Sydney Brown Has only ever

Lost a job under Vic Fangio Every single time Sidney Brown has been on the field Vic Fangio has decided Okay I need to play someone else over this guy Last year, this year Several times So

I don't believe Right now that Sidney Brown is going to be The starting safety in the playoffs Yeah let's say how many turkeys Would you give it that that Cooper DeGine plays more snaps at safety than Sidney Brown in the, let's say, the divisional round since we don't know if they'll actually play in the wild card round. Well, we don't know.

In the Eagles first, in the Eagles first playoff game, let's put it that way. Yeah, I would put them on Cooper de Gene, I think. Yeah, but how many? I'm going to say, 70. I'm holding space for Marcus Epps. Okay. Or somebody else or Michael Carter, potentially. Okay.

But I would go, I would go 53 on Cooper DeGine. I think I'm going to stick with, you soften me a little bit with the possibility it's Marcus Epps. So I'm going to say 65 Cooper DeGine. And then I'd say, I'd split the rest between Sidney Brown and Marcus Epps. Okay. And for the people asking about Justin Simmons, I thought Fran made a great point on yesterday's pod.

Like, that guy's been on the street or been out of the league now. He's not an answer to anything. Yeah, like if, and it's not, and I thought this was another, I'm just going to keep stealing France points. Sure. Like, Linval Joseph is a different story. It's like that guy. I'm calling up Matt Miller. Sorry, go ahead.

Linval Joseph is a different story. Like, he's a gap plugging nose tackle. Like, that guy can come in from off the street and just kind of do that one thing very easily or more easily than it is to put a safety into a secondary. It's a position that relies on athleticism and familiarity with the scheme. Yeah, I think that that door is closed. How about Jalen Mills? I mean, I like Jalen. I love Jailen Mills.

Is this because it's fun to cover Jalen Mills? Like, he's a reliable narrator. He gave you, I mean, he would give you a great quote. Yeah. I like a Jalen Mills, but I don't think so. I think, I think their options are there options. How about Juan Thornhill? No, I'm out on that one.

Mike Edwards. Mike Edwards. Kavon Wallace. I liked Kavon Wallace. I told you. It's fun to look through practice class. Award winning story subject. That's right.

That's right. Yeah. I like Kavon Wallace. He's a good guy. All right. That'll do it for The Big Deal, presented by Cherry Hill Mitsubishi. Let's take a quick break, come back, reset on the other side, and get into all the big topics that are going on with the Eagles at the moment.

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and they won't last long. Ashley, Black Friday starts here. Okay, we're back in the PHOI. The chat didn't like how I said jackpot. Do I say it funny? It didn't hit my ear weird. Okay, all right. I'll let you know if it does. Oh, you will. you will. But I didn't, I didn't, that didn't hit me. Okay. Well, you have to listen for it next time.

Now, do you spell jackpot that Deshawn Jackson way? I do not. I do wear that blue flannel and the chat is always really on me about the blue flannel. What does that have to do with jackpot? I mean, it's got some gang stuff to it. Does it? Yeah. Just because it's blue? Yeah, like the blue flannel. I think that's a thing. I don't know that. I mean, I'll be honest, the chat was the one that kind of made me aware. of that. I mean, I don't know as much about gang lore as others, probably. But yeah, whenever I wear the blue flannel there, you know, the chat, the chat is very much on me in my, my flannel slash hoodie game. I like this hoodie. I don't break this out very often. It's a little colorful for me,

but I'm, I'm making the effort. I'm trying. I'm trying for the viewers, trying to make sure that my fashion is nice. Is okay. So yeah, I broke this out. I might have had to face time my wife to make sure that the color combo was okay. Shout out to Julia, who I never throw under the bus on this show. So what you are essentially doing there is saying that if anybody doesn't like this, no, no, no, this isn't the Carson Wentz thing where it's like I wear something ridiculous and I go, oh, my wife dresses, right? That's not what's happening here.

I'm saying that if you're complimenting it. One time. If you're complimenting the hoodie, it is because of my wife that I was confident enough to wear it today. So shout out to her. All right, when we were going back and forth about what to talk about on the show today, you said that there was something in particular that Nick Siriani said over the past 48 hours that talking about hitting your ear wrong is something that you didn't love. So let me frame this properly.

My flight was delayed yesterday. So I was on a plane sitting on the tarmac for two hours and I didn't have internet service because there was, you know, the plane blocks like your phone service. so I was I literally just had I was lost in deep thought what a dystopian nightmare well I listen I don't like to complain about like travel stuff because it's just like everyone deals with it eventually I don't know it's kind of like to me it's almost like you're like nobody wants to hear about your fantasy team like nobody wants to hear about how to how terrible your travel was so but what did you do at that time I've sat in deep thought for like an hour listening to music and then I watched a show on my iPad which again like that's why I'm not going to say what you're I'm going to complain. Pluribus? Oh, yeah, I've been watching Pluribus. It's good. It's really good.

We should talk about it in overtime because I want to frame this and then I want to get this off my chest. I was in deep thought about some things about the game and about the Eagles this season. And one thing that I really, like, wanted to get off my chest, you know, not able to be on the show yesterday, not even able to listen to the show. It was killing me. And by the way, thank you to Franon, the professor, for taking this yesterday. I mean, what just.

It's like a 400 level course. Yeah, 400 level course on football right there. It was really good. But Nick Siriani talks a lot about the confidence he has in his players when it comes to fourth-down decisions late in games, right? You know, he will always start those answers by saying, I have a lot of confidence in our guys. But then you think about the way that he manages the game for the rest of the time, whether it's the end-of-half scenarios, whether it's the third-and-long situations, it does not align

with the confidence he should have in his players. Like, it makes me, especially with the end-of-half thing, and then even with the fourth-down decisions, how they don't align. I always think about, like, you'll hear from people who say, you can't date the analytics, you have to marry them. To me, it's like you, even if it's not going to be an analytical approach for Nixiriani, you can't date, like, aggressiveness. Like, you have to marry it. To get the returns on the aggressiveness, you have to be consistent and confident, consistently confident. Let's say that, right? What is this? You're cooking. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. So to me, it's like,

I think you hear a lot from coaches, like, these decisions are made in the middle of the week. I have a hard time believing that that's the case with Nick Siriani. I understand they do the situational meetings before games, but I also think that, like, he takes into account the way that the games are going in a way that, like, I don't mean this in a charge way, but it's an emotional decision in the fourth quarter when it's like, you know, we are going to be aggressive right here and we're going to try and win the game. And it's, to me, I think that that is the approach that they should have throughout the game. like the confidence you have in Jalen Hertz

to find AJ Brown on a go ball against the Packers to win the game why is that not the confidence you have on third and 17 why is that not the confidence you have at the end of the half like these are you should be that confident you have one of the most talented rosters in the NFL the fact that they manage the game this way it just it is confounding to me you are spot on

to say you trust your players and listen you know this is we're parsing you know something he says. But I believe him when he says it. I think that it is trust in his players. But the team is not coached like a team that trusts its players. The way that they play offense where the only thing they care about is not turning the

ball over, that is not trusting your players. Yeah. Do you trust your quarterback or not? I like how you framed it, the double negative, where it's like you coach your quarterback to be turnover reverse and then you call the game turnover at first. It's like one or two. One of those things is a redundancy at that point. Yes.

that's exactly right and they they do not trust the players uh if you are asking them to do the same thing over and over again that's not trusting them yeah right we're going to go the offense down yeah the uh you know then we get to the fourth down decisions and of course that's that's not trusting them and you could argue okay you're trusting the defense but that's not really the case there it is it is absolutely not making the most out of what is a if Not the most talented roster in the NFL, you know, a top three, top five talented roster. Yeah. There's no doubt.

And the running game is a part of this, too, because I've been thinking about the Jeffrey Lurie of it all. Yeah, yeah. My colleague, Mike Sealski, had a good column about this morning. I got to give him a shout out. I haven't read it, but shout out to Sealski. I don't love the, you know, getting their money's worth thing with an owner because, first of all, you know, it's his job to put money into the team. and you want to pay as many good players as you can. But from that standpoint, knowing that Jeffrey Lurie,

generally speaking, is much more past game than running game, right? He believes that the running game is less efficient than the passing game, which is true. And last year you win the Super Bowl because of your running game. Yeah.

To some degree. Great. Okay. Let's see how guys moving forward. You double down and pay Sequin again. Yep. You are paying Jordan Milata and Lane Johnson at the top of the market. You're paying Lennon Dickerson at the top of the market.

You just signed Cam Drogens to a big extension, playing him at the top of the market. You're paying Jeff Statland as the highest paid assistant coach in the NFL. And your running game is awful. It's lost. 25th in the league in success rate. And they're still running it at a pretty high clip. And actually, this is a conversation from this game specifically, where I do think that Kevin Batulo deserves credit for coming up.

away from the running game when it wasn't working, but just from a, what am I paying for standpoint, we talk about it as the offense in general, which is true, and Lord knows the passing game is broken in some degree on its own side, but the running game itself, like, I'm investing all of these resources into this, and we suck at it? Yeah. It's terrible. Yeah, no, it's funny. The word of the day for me is probably going to be dissonance because I was thinking about

this on the drive in like the eagles like i was thinking ahead of the offseason like where do you go with this offense and to me the path forward is leaning back into getting the elite offensive line that you've had in years past because the run game is the like the structural beam for the eagle's offense that is broken right now because all of the problems that they're facing like we've seen historically nick syriani's solution to them is we're just going to run the ball we're just going to be the most like dominant team on the ground where it is risk averse and keeps us on schedule, you know, kills games, all of, it is the thing for Nick Sierra Eddy that he wants to lean on. And that is different than how the team is built right now, but how the team is playing

right now. And also how Jeffrey Lurie wants the team to be built and how Jeffrey Lurie wants the team to play. So there is a dissonance there. And it makes it fascinating because it's like, you know, if they, if they use early draft picks to shore up the offensive line and, you know, bring in, you know, coaches who can help, get the run game back on track, like, is that really what Jeffrey Lurie wants to do? Because, again, I think that, like, my guess, if Nick Siriani could build this team the way that he wants to build it, it would probably look like some of those Steelers teams or, you know, some of those Titans teams where it's like, we're just going to bludgeon teams on offense

and we're going to have one of the best defenses in the league, and we're going to limit turnovers and try and get explosives on offense. But to me, it's like, that isn't this year's team. They are not built that way, and I actually do. I thought you framed it well, and I really did feel like this was not a – there are certain aspects of the loss of the Cowboys. I do think reflect on Kevin Petulow poorly, but I thought the approach, I actually understood where they were coming from. They tried to throw the Cowboys out of some of those defensive looks. Yeah, I thought this was not Petulow's worst game.

No, obviously the stuff that Fran and Dana's show yesterday. It wasn't the worst game, but there were some issues with it. I gave him credit for pulling out of the running game when it was as terrible as it was. And, you know, they also, to be fair, had a couple pass plays for first downs that were called back by penalties. There's execution stuff to worry about. But, you know, like, how worried about the offensive line are you? Because we said at the beginning of the season, why are you forcing these injured guys to play? And you know the offensive linemen are warriors.

Yeah. They probably have to be protected from themselves. But I don't think the decision to let Juergens and Dickerson in particular play through these injuries has really looked good because both of those guys look like a shell of themselves. I thought Dickerson in particular was really bad. Yeah, and Jurgens has struggled all season. And I mean, I think that health has to be a major thing you take into account for both of them. Well, the thing that DeNiz has pointed out, like he leaves the game and then Tooth comes in and they go pinpole, which they haven't. called with him at all, the first snap

they have, because they can't trust him to move. Some of their most, I mean, the Giants game, their most productive running game was with Toth in there. And I'm not saying that like, oh, he needs to be benched for Toth, but I think it is a reflection of where he's at health-wise right now. I was really surprised that they rushed him back from this knee injury.

Like Toth was playing well, and it felt like they could make it a couple more weeks to get him right. And I think that it does bring about like the question, like, maybe these guys are, they just need the offseason. You know, like I wrote about this you know, earlier in the season. Yeah, you're on this.

And it feels like it's kind of becoming the story of what's wrong with the Eagles offense is that the attrition from last year caught up to the Eagles offensive line. You know, Maelada's not playing at the same level and I talked to Jordan Milata about the fact that like when they got to OTAs, they were still exhausted from the season.

When they got to camp, it felt like they didn't have an offseason. So no, I am worried about it. Because, again, it's the thing that Nick Seriani wants to go, it's all going bad. We are going to just beat teams with our offensive line. We're just going to bludgeon teams, you know, and just like slug get into these slug fest and they can't do it this year well and it goes to

because look they're they're setting up to do the same thing with lane where they didn't put him on injured reserve and we we're crossing our fingers right about that yeah it's like oh he's not going to get the surgery right and we hope that he'll get back for the fourth game against the raiders um you know i get that because they didn't need the roster spot and it keeps your options open yeah like let's say fred johnson gets hurt too and then all of a sudden you're going to need lane or whatever it is but it is uh indicative of i think a situation with the team right now where i don't know who is thinking of the big picture for them yeah because nick is concerned about every single week um okay you know it's gonna on paper it's gonna be great if we get if we get

jerkins back right if we get lana dickerson back but somebody has to be the person and you know i guess this is this is howie but or the training staff right somebody has to be the person who says, you know, it's, it's not the same, but it's, it's kind of similar to the Jahad Campbell, Nikobie Dean thing. You know, Nicobie Dean is better right now. He deserves to be on the field. He deserves to play. But like a longer view.

But from a big picture standpoint, is this good for us? Yeah. And the incentives are tough because even though he's the Super Bowl winning head coach, Nick Siriani feels like he's coaching for his job every week. Yeah. And like, but even to like to the longer viewpoint of it, it's like, Cam Jorgans is playing worse than Brett Tooth because he's injured. So it's not even like you're getting a short-term improvement with these guys.

So, no, I mean, I don't think, like, it's hard to see, like, where the Eagles run game is going, like, to be solutions-oriented, like, I mean, they were more quarterback-inclusive against the Cowboys that didn't really move the needle when it needed to. So, I mean, like, the quarterback-inclusive stuff, I think will help. I mean, if they get back to the undercenter stuff, I think that could help. But it really is kind of like, can the Eagles offensive line get healthy? and I don't know what the... All of these guys are playing through things at this point

that don't seem like they're going to get better until the off-season. I agree. It's not great. All right. Time to take a break. We will come back on the other side and get to everything else,

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All right, back on the P-H-LY Eagles podcast, some super chats to get to, starting with Rob Millman. who says Cam Latu is only at a 5% snap share. Thoughts on his snaps are ramping up. The offense needs his physicality badly. I feel like every week. You submitted your own super chat? What's the guy's name?

Rob Milner. It could be my burner. E.J. Milner. Who was the DJ Milner? James Milner. No, there was a player with the last name Milner. D. Milner. D. Milner. Yeah.

E.J. Manuel. We could just do this all that. Jones DJ Turner I like a DJ Turner Tray Turner Yeah Not as

Not as a effusive about Trey you savage Randy Macho Man Savage Okay Cam Latu Orton

Every week I feel like I hear someone else crying out for Cam Latu And I just want to welcome them all To the Cam Latu Underutilization Club Totem pole

You're all climbing the pole The totem The Camlatu No I think We can call it the club They're welcome They can join me Okay

Every game He has one play Where it's like yeah I'd like to see more of that I do truly Not understand why he can't just be The blocking tight out Yes

Agreed So I was listening to Anthony show this morning Baldy agrees with me Oh I feel like that's That's a good vote for you yeah but fran football guy fran continuing to tell me to settle down it's tough uh cdp says when nick was calling plays in early 2021 jalen had 35 plus attempts four times in

the first six games why did nick trust jalen to throw then my guess is because the rPO game was much more effective i think that when they first got in they like they had simplified this to a degree think they need to get back to at times in the sense with the RPOs where it was like Jalen you have a running quarterback so you're not expecting to see man very often because the defense doesn't want to turn their back to a running quarterback so you're going to get zone and if you're going to get zone you can RPO teams to death and it feels like they've gotten away from like those simple truths in a way and I know that defenses evolve and they change the way that they play against the Eagles offense but like the point of having all this talent

is that it shouldn't be this hard it should be simply yeah I always I also think there's a dynamic there where when you get, well, first of all, you want to evaluate Chilin Hertz at that point. That's his first year as a starting quarterback. What do we have here? Let's let him throw the ball. Two, when you get hired for a job, you begin doing the job the way that you think your boss wants you to do the job.

True. I'm sure throughout the interview process, it is known to Nick Siriani that we want to be a passing team, right? So we're going to become a passing team. and then the more time on task you have, the more you feel under the gun, the more you're going to revert to doing the things that you want to do and how you think the job should be done.

And so as all eyes are on Nick Siriani and he has been here longer, he's going to coach the way he thinks he wants a football team to play. Yeah, and the way that he thinks that they'll succeed. And I do wonder, this is another thing I thought about. Yeah, I don't mean that style, you're right. I don't mean stylistically how I want the team to look, but more how in my bones I feel like you have to play.

to win. Yeah, no, exactly. And I was going to say like another thing I thought about in my time of, I mean, a deep thought on the plane was like the lessons that they learned from the 2024 season and then the 2023 season as well. I think one of the big lessons is that if you can just avoid the turnovers, they'll be successful. And I think we've seen them push that to the extreme that it doesn't work anymore because, you know, they've gone too far in this direction. So I don't No, no, maybe, I like your, the, I think it was in the postgame show. You said, like, maybe this game will be good for them in the long term. I believe, I kind of believe that.

Is that why you were lower on the panic meter? Yeah, it was a 7.2? I was a 7.62, and Fran was an 8. And, like, the fact that Fran was the strongest on the panic meter, it was a little scary to me. The guy who spends the most time watching the tape. Yeah, of course. Well, now that is a shot of Danes.

Oh, yeah. He was not asked. Yeah, Danes wasn't on the panic meeting. I just mean in terms of time spent watching. Trying to get me into a, you really want to see this fight between me and Danes. I mean, there's no doubt that that's going to happen. I love Danes. I don't think we're not fighting.

There's no way we'd fight. Yeah, to me, the case for it is, okay, let's throw the ball. Like, and I think they can throw the ball. Stop running it. I know, of course, not 100% of the time. You have to throw teams out of those looks, though. Yeah. By the way, not to derail us here, but what, did you hear Land and Dickerson's like

clarification on the five-man front thing? No. It was, in my opinion, it was actually more, like, alarming. Okay. That his clarification was that he wasn't saying. Now, catch the people up how the, what is he clarifying? Landon Dickerson, after the game, told me and a few other reporters that the use, the Cowboys' usage of five-man fronts really kind of caught them off guard.

It was something that they hadn't shown much going into this game. It's not something that they hadn't done entirely for the record, but that they didn't expect them to spend most of the game in these five-man fronts. Obviously, the Cowboys are strongest at defensive tackle, especially after the trade deadline when they added Quinn and Williams. It makes sense that they would have gone to the odd fronts, and so much so that there was news coverage about them switching to a five-man front to accommodate the talent they have on the interior.

Yeah, I was really laughing to myself at home. after that comment when I put on the re-broadcast and the Cowboys introduced their starting lineup on defense with a five-man front with three defensive tackles like here we are today this is our starting lineup

but oh I never saw that coming so Landon Dickerson said they didn't have much time on task against it that's a notion that Nick Siriani did not refute the following day but Landon wanted to clarify and he said like oh you know people took snippets of what I said it's you know people only like snippets these days so I listened to his full explanation

and I'm not going to read the full quote which maybe is aligning with what he said but like it's dirty media he talked about the fact that like you're going into the game it's almost like betting odds where it's like you're looking at the percentage chances of what you're going to see from the opposing defense and they didn't think

that the cowboys would major in the odd front so they didn't spend as much time working against they didn't spend much time working against a five man front to me like that is not a better answer to me that's not like oh okay Now I understand. It's like that means a coaching staff made the wrong guess, which is based off of like something that Danes talked about.

And again, it was in like the news coverage. Like it was not something that was like, A, let me, there's two things here. The first thing is that it's not something that was like out of left field. It was something that was pretty easy to project that they would be in more odd fronts with the talent they have on the interior. The second thing, we're not talking about like the most exotic front we've ever heard of in our lives like it's an it's an odd front they've run against odd fronts this season yeah and honestly like you should expect to see those you know because of the eagles are predominantly this season a zone running

team and like even my like basic level of football knowledge based off you know compared to guys like fran and danes a way to combat that is to have five guys on the line so they can't have the eagles can't use double teams to work up to the second level like that is a very like basic football thing it shouldn't have been this much of a surprise that They can't have an answer against it throughout an entire gate. Right. And the fact that we keep hearing this unscouted thing is it is concerning because it's, you're never going to, you're never going to, if you're only looking back at,

okay, what do we spend our time on during the week? You're never going to guess right about everything ever, right? It's not about, oh, we put the right waiting on what to prepare for. It's we are prepared for these different things that could come to us and how do we react. Yeah. And honestly, it goes back to the thing you were talking about at the beginning about not trusting your players. yeah right okay all we can't trust them to know what to do or we can't trust ourselves to know what to do when we get something that we weren't expecting you still have to have an answer so to me this is like

the one area of criticism for kevin patulo it's like uh well go ahead you go first i think that the in-game adjustments from the eagles the the like the second chapter of the book whenever like you know i remember lannon dickerson said that patulo does a nice job of like telling a story like the game plan is a story with them yeah and that the you know the way that he presented is like they're going to do this and we're going to do this. The Eagles haven't been good enough in the action to the reaction or the reaction to the action much this season. If they come out and they score three touchdowns on the first three drives, they stall out

and there's never an answer to whatever comes next. And I think that that is when you hear a lot about the unscouted looks that they're getting. You're an extreme team. You have extreme talent. You're going to see extreme looks. They also have extreme tendencies. Yeah, exactly. So it makes sense that eventually a defense is going to go, okay, this is what they're doing

today. We're going to respond by doing this. And like, I understand it's like. more complicated than we sometimes make it to have counters to those things but at some point like that is the job of the coaching staff and I do think that is where Kevin Petulow becomes

like open to criticism is that the adjustments in a game haven't been good enough this season. It's like the difference between being really good at memorizing something versus like actually having mastery of yeah the subject right like oh the eagles are just expecting this is what the test is going to be these are going to be

the questions let's study the answers to these specific questions and not actually figure out what we think about these things or like, you know, have a deeper level of understanding so that it doesn't matter what the questions are, we can answer them because we understand the subject. Yeah, it's like the scheme is like we've memorized like how to beat like cover two. Like that is like what we, that is our scheme. And it's like you need like a philosophy deeper than that and how you want to play and how it works against every single different thing.

You know, like that is that's where this offense is lacking. a lot, in my opinion. It's like the, again, like the fluid nature of like, this is how we want to play and this is the answer against almost anything that we can see throughout the season. And I'm not saying it's like a simple thing. Like, but that is what a coaching staff is there for. Yeah, right. You know, it's not like us hitting buttons on a video game.

I was going to say football manager. But it is the job of a coaching staff to have those answers. Yes. All right. Let's take our last break. on the other side, I want to ask you about the level of the offense and they've done some research on how it

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Yeah. And he's lower? I said, sorry, Ben, you're... You said he was cute. No, no, I said it's, I think he had low standards. Yeah, and you said, and that's cute. Yeah. It's not about, is this team going to make the playoffs?

Is this team going to go the way of that 2023 team? No. It's about, does this team have a chance to matter? Right. So I wanted to look and see how, if where the offense compares to the, last 10 years of Super Bowl contenders or whatever the words you want to use. Winners and losers of the Super Bowl, teams that made it that far. So where do you think, did you see the charts?

You saw the charts, right? You didn't look at them, like, critically. Correct. Okay. I want you to guess, let's start with EPA per drive. Where do you think the Eagles rank among the teams that made it to the Super Bowl and EPA per drive over the last 10 years? So that would be, there are 21 teams in the sample here?

I believe so. You know, I don't know the answer to that. we have a graphic for it so if it's up on the screen I don't want you to look at EPA per drive I'm going to say third to last you would be exactly correct they are third to last on this chart and like if you look at it look at the teams that are around at the bottom of this chart it is the Peyton Manning Broncos from 2015 yeah which was a terrible offense I mean Peyton Manning respect but terrible offense I like Peyton Manning respect I like a big Omaha fan the 2023 like with their doing over there yeah yeah and the 2023 chiefs the 2021 bangles are actually surprising but you see the jump from the bangles yes to the the eagles so the fact that they are basically neutral in EPA per drive it's an outlier in terms of super bowl contenders true super bowl contenders okay what about success rate i'm guessing success rate would be second last they are second last and success rate how do you did you look did you did you the success rate graph was messed up

I know that they're worse at success, right? Yeah, the only team... So the only team that has had a sub-40% success rate... Yeah, this is the difference between memorization and mastery. That is true. So people just know the subject. That's fair, because, yeah, I had to go looking for this stuff, and you just knew it off the top of your head.

That's actually pretty impressive. So let's see if you can... You probably can guess this. The only team that had a sub-40% success rate in the regular season that went on to make it to the Super Bowl. In this same sample? Yeah, same sample. is it not the broncos it is the broncos okay and it was funny i was texting sheel about this i wanted

to keep you shrouded so i texted sheel about it i hope that's okay i hope that doesn't ruffle any feathers um yeah i texted chiel about it and he was like oh well you know you have to take out kneel downs and you have to take out garbage time those numbers all in all uh past the shield kapadia and honestly probably you and dan is the the bar for evaluating these things And Sheal was even like, well, the Broncos had that one game where they had Blaine Gabbard in, and they only scored 13 points that year. Wow, he's really picking at you. So I filtered for Peyton Manning at quarterback. Really?

And their success rate was worse with Peyton Manning, actually. So there are examples of offenses making it to the Super Bowl being this bad. I got to call out Schuil here. What's that? I got to call out Schill here because Schill likes to pretend that he has a terrible memory. And like, oh, I can't remember this or that. He eats his almonds. And yet he remembers that Blaine Gabbard played the game for the 2015 Broncos.

I don't know if she... What is that? Does she also think he has a terrible memory? He says he eats his almonds to help his memory. Well, maybe to help it. Yeah. But yeah. Did you listen to one of their most recent episodes about Zeeby, the texter?

Yes. Where do you come down on that? I have a controversial take care. Uh-oh. I can't say. No, just, no, you can't. You can't not say now. Well, I have only known that guy.

I don't really. I've not texted with him much. I think I asked Baker for his number and just said, I enjoyed you on the show. That was fun. And he responded to that. Okay. In a timely fashion? My take here is that Sheila's not a good.

Now, now, this is coming from someone, this is coming from someone who is a terrible text responder. I don't think if we're going on, if we're going on. going on the percentage, I'm like a 29th percentile text responder. I'm bad. I will let it go unread and respond a couple days later. So I must be special because you answer me pretty consistently, even if it's just a ha ha. But that's different. You are, we're working together. Yeah. Okay. But if it catches me in the wrong moment, like during the show or something like that, I will absolutely forget about it. And it's not my best thing. Okay.

So coming from that perspective, Sheel will take some time too. I think Sheel's a pretty good texter. I don't know. See, the thing about this that's tricky. There is a difference between, to be fair, the person that you are like planning a show with versus just a person in your life.

But even now, I texted Sheel something, I would call it mushy on Sunday because I was hanging out with Sean Syed. And, you know, we were just talking about how much we love Sheal. Oh, my gosh. And let's see. You know what? It did take Schill some time to answer me on Sunday when I texted him that.

I sent him a very nice message, and it took him two hours to get back to me. But that's on a Sunday during the games. Do you give him a pass for that? You know? Again, limited experience? You think Schill's a worse texting the other guy? But in my experience, that guy is a better responder. Oh, they're not going to, she'll's not going to like this.

I got to tell like it is. But you know what? I might agree with you. I think, well, thing with CB is that I think he is a good texter for like most people and I think that that's like where this gets kind of like tricky is I think he doesn't always I think because like he's a great

texter for me I think it's the nature of the text that he must be getting like if it's a work text he's right on it so I don't know now I will say I don't know anyone in my life who responds quicker Sean Syed Sean Syed is prolific responding to text when we text, it is like, it's like overstimulated. It's like, whoa, like 40 texts. It's crazy. I'm in it.

I'm a pretty bad text responder for the record. I don't know if you feel the same, but I because in my defense, now is a chance, now is a chance for Lindsay to step in here because we really let Lindsay down. We left Lindsay on red in a way that was just

egregious, well last week. Give us the lashings we deserve here, Lindsay. Well, now I just feel like I don't want to text you. I'm like, they're not even going to answer. So now, I feel like, are they, or I'm going to have to just keep, like, emphasizing the message is. You know what my father?

You did answer this morning. That was good. We did answer. You know what my father-in-law will hit you with if you don't answer his text in a timely fashion? The eye roll emoji. Oh, interesting. And he doesn't mean it. Well, I think, I don't know.

You think he's doing it to point up to the thing? It's like the emoji is looking at the text that you didn't answer. But it is also probably a little bit like, really, you didn't answer my text. I don't know. Maybe I'll find out now that I mentioned it on the show. Who was describing this the other day? Was somebody did the, like they hit the question mark thing on their own thing

that had gone unanswered? That's spicy too. That is aggressive. Yeah. I mean, aggressive or spicy? I don't know. I don't think it's aggressive,

yeah. I mean, it's not even, I think that's just kind of aggressive aggressive aggressive. Aggressive, yeah, it's not, I don't know if it's passive aggressive.

Okay. I am a bad texture though, so I apologize to Lindsay and everybody. in my defense I drive a long commute so I don't text and drive you're the first person in the world who drives yeah but like you think about it like for like three and a half to four hours every day I can't answer text so that and then usually when I get what about what about car play I don't have car play my car play my car doesn't have car play I can't text through my car I know what I'm getting you for Christmas I don't know I don't think it would work it does and it must work do you have Bluetooth no No, it's like my car has like a hoity-toity, like, software that doesn't have car. He doesn't have Bluetooth? I mean, I can talk on the phone. Yeah.

I can't text. No, but you can then get this car. They can probably tell Siri to text for me. I'll try it. I don't think an adapter would work, though. All right, docks back to the question at hand about this offense. We took a turn here. Because the question about whether this team can get to the Super Bowl with this offense,

is also about can the defense play to a level to make up for the fact that the offense is playing at this level? And that goes back to the beginning because with the problems they have in the secondary right now, I don't know. And what did you make of the pass rush disappearing? Yeah, I mean, I think that I wasn't as concerned about the past rush because the Cowboys do have a tendency to neutralize the pass rush because of the fact that Dak Prescott can get the ball quickly and that it seems like they do a good job in particular about it. But to me, that, so the exercise that we did this morning was about the panic meter. And I said earlier, I'm at 7.62. And the reason I'm so high is because, like, we talk a lot about the 2023 comparisons and, oh, the 2014, they overcame this stuff.

If you look at the, like, the instructive metrics on how the Eagles are playing on offense this year, they would, it is an outlier in terms of making it to the Super Bowl. Like, it is just very rare that teams with offenses, as unproductive as the Eagles offense has been this season, can have the postseason success necessary to make it that far. So that is a concern for me. And I don't think that it's like, you know, a 10 where it's like I don't think the offense can find its way back. They have enough talent for me to say maybe they can be the outlier. But let's just call it what it is. Like, they have to be the outlier in this case.

Like we are saying that it is at least unlikely that they will be able to do this at this point. So, yeah, my panic meter was pretty high. a little bit higher than yours a lot higher than I think it was Anthony and Jamie were a lot lower and I think that they're betting on the Eagles talent winning out and like the you know the history on the defense yeah yeah well it was specifically about the offense it just depends on what you know do I think this team's going to make it to the playoffs of course sure win a playoff game probably win two no yeah right again that's what it is like every week we talk about like do you think the offense is going to be different?

And I'm like, well, they are talented enough that they could be different this week. Like, that is the thing you're betting on is that like the scheme things, the lack of a run game, all of a sudden that stuff disappears and the talent wins out. It's week 13.

We haven't seen it. You know, also, I thought what was funny about rewatching the game was the punt penalty on the ruff and the punter where the Eagles go three and out and then get a new life and then go score a touchdown.

It's kind of a funny. like, oh, if only they could just not go three and out, they might score a touchdown. If they didn't go three and out at such a historically ridiculous rate, they would probably score more points. That was the worrying thing even early in the game that, you know, I told you before the show I was in the bathroom with my former colleague, Jeff Nyberg, and I said at half time. I said at halftime. I said, the game ain't over.

What were they getting up to? I said the game's not over. And Jeff says, getting it done inside the studio. That will never not haunt me that he said that. I was like, what does that mean? What does that mean? But no, I said the game's not over, and he's like, oh, well, they score it on the other side of the second half. Then it probably is.

And I go, yeah, but, like, they only really put together two touchdown drives. Like, I know the second one still counts, even though they get the roughing the punter there. But, A, I don't know about the roughing the punter call there. And B, like, they needed so much help on that second drive still. So they get credit for the, like, scoring, obviously. But I do think it's necessary to, like, remember that they got a lot of help on that drive. Okay 7.62

I'm sticking with it This conversation made me more Why did you decide to go to two decimals Because I was between 7.6 and 7.7. So I had to... Maybe you weren't that far between If you went two. Well, I think the two was representative

of how I felt The 200s there It was necessary. I wasn't at 7.6 And I wasn't at 7.7. And you were pretty much at 7.6. Just a little bit

fire. I think I, do I have to explain to you how decimals work? Well, yeah, but, you know, the the appearance of, like, extra accuracy when it really doesn't matter. No, it did matter. It matters to me. It's important to me. Anything else, straight eight. Anything eagles-wise that you need to discuss? Let me see. Let me look at my notes here. Before we get to what everybody's been waiting for. I thought your question to Nick yesterday was a good one. Do you think, after listening to Nick, that they took their foot off the gas? Uh, no. And that's part of why I asked it. Um, you know, even if you just look at the, uh, you know, the pass, the run pass splits from the first three drives and after, it's pretty similar. They were passing the ball. I still think they did. But I do think that there are game management things. Yeah. That they took their foot off the gas on. Uh, you know, Nick punting at midfield. That's not being aggressive. And something that if you, if you, you You trusted, talk about trusting your players.

If you trusted his players and believed in the offense, you would not punt it fourth and two from the 48. I mean, come on. Then kicking the 56-yard to Elliott, a little bit more defensible, I think. Yeah. But I think if you were being aggressive, you probably go for it. Yeah. And then, I mean, there were other, like, points along the way there

where it did feel like they were, and some of it is Jalen, too. I think that's the argument. So the stat that I pulled for the early bird And again, if you guys want to subscribe to become a diehard You'll have access to all this stuff The day after the game Jalen's average air yards per attempt in the second half 5.7 yards

In the first half it was 9.4 So to me that was like That was a window into like the approach And I think that's why at the very least After the game that was a popular talking point That was a lot of people had the sentiment That they took their foot off the gas Is because even though they were a pass

Even though they had a past heavy approach, I don't think it was an aggressive one. I think it was a conservative pass-heavy approach. And I think they got Jalen. The thing that was so encouraging about those first three drives is that Jailen was in a rhythm. You know, like, you see the post route to AJ Brown. Yeah. Like that, to me is like, that's a quarterback that is confident. And, you know, like, I remember that Josh McCown always talked about, like, do we need to do this in?

Go ahead. Go ahead. We got time. I just like panicked. Don't get skittish. Don't get skittish. Finish your thought. Um, Josh McCallie used to talk about like the, the, like, seeing the ball go through the hoop, the layups, you know, the easy completions being important, they got Jalen into a rhythm and then they're just like, all right, like, let's, let's settle for a little bit more of a conservative passing game. So it was a step in the right direction, maybe, pass heavy, but still conservative.

You see, you had plenty of time. But I was thinking about it. You saw me, like, a short circuit there. Oh, Lindsay, come on. We don't even know where we're going To bovertide My brain should like shut down This is This is what we practice for guys

We can't panic when the play clock's running down We're going to be okay We got time we know we've rep this You've rep this We have it Trust your players players. Apparently, Vic, yeah, Vic got into an argument with somebody today. I don't know who it is yet. Interesting. During the press conference? At the end of the press conference. Jimmy Kempski

texted me about it. Oh. He said, were there any further fights post-presser? Oh, that's funny. So, some fireworks. Nice. All right. You're sitting on the tarmac for two hours. Now, you really had no service or were you on airplane mode? I genuinely had no surface. Okay. Like, I was holding my phone up to the window. Oh. And I will throw my wife under the bus on this one.

She was texting me, and she was mad that I didn't. Because, you know, we are still old school. I like to text the whole family and tell them I'm taken off and my land. And she's texting me, like, livid that I didn't text her to tell her that I was in the air. She's like, why didn't you text me? She called me a bozo. So I get up. This isn't the story, by the way.

I get up, and I walk at one point. during the two hours. They told us that we couldn't leave the plane unless we were like not coming back, which was kind of weak on their part, especially they didn't have any water. This is a bad experience. No food, no water.

And they're like, if you want to get off the plane to get water, you can, but you can't get back on the plane. It's like, okay, thanks a lot. So I was standing literally as far, like, I was standing at the door of the plane, but not getting off, maybe. And that was the only way you could get service. So I get these, like, I flooded with like eight texts

and my wife calling me a bozo. And I'm like, I don't know. service like it's not my fault so anyway and from her perspective if you don't have service how are you texting i was being a bozo i mean in her in her perspective i mean listen i'm not saying i'm not all i'm never a bozo but this time i had it now um all right so they had rescheduled this flight like they canceled it and then they booked us all onto a different flight and it randomized us to different seats so i had a good seat on the original flight i've never heard of such a thing yeah no they they they canceled our flight it was a

flight that originated in Dubai, I believe, and that flight must have gotten canceled. So they had to rebook the entire plane. Okay. So... This is weird. What airline is this? I'm not going to help you. You know what?

Why not? It was American Airlines. Okay. They're not going to sponsor us now. And so they randomized seats. I mean, they got flights originating in Dubai. It doesn't sound very American to me. I'm not touching that one.

So they randomize our seats. was in the back of the plane and I was still in an aisle which was good you guys I mean I'm a big guy I like having the aisle so I can lean out so I can give people some space yeah I'm a very mindful flyer I'm very respectful of people's space I can't first of all the idea of randomizing seats yeah that must have been very controversial because the people who are I mean the first class gets to stay first class probably you would imagine so I do need to reach out to them though because I want to refund for I paid for the bulkhead on the way there and I didn't get it um so I'm yeah I mean this is I mean this is a you know people aren't going to be happy

to have their status is revoked my guess is it's probably first come first serve or status while also taking into account status because I don't have status on American I need it um so anyway back of the plane and I'm in the the I'm so far back that I'm in one of the rows that only has the aisle in the middle and no window seat okay so but again I'm always an aisle guy so that I can lean out and make sure but I'm also I'm a mindful fire I also make sure that with the flight attendants are walking by yeah go the other way yeah right so you're playing about your blob sledding yeah I so I have a woman next to me who like sits down and she's in the middle seat and again she's got no window seat though she can also lean and after about a half hour

of a sitting there she goes do you want to switch and it's sorry important point of information here she has friends in the aisle next to me she's talking to them so she goes do you want to switch and i go i'm fine here but if you want to switch that's fine with me like because i can lean the other way i can lean that way too it's fine um i said but i tell her like i'm fine here but like it's up to you and she goes yeah you just like look really penned in and i'm like no like i'm good but if you want to stay here so you can talk to your friends fine that's great like don't mind at all okay so we switch seats Is a young woman? Um, she's probably my age.

Okay. So she's in that seat that she just switched with me for for 90 seconds. She gets up, she's part of a big group, she gets up, she walks over to the other aisle, finds this guy and tells him that she wants to switch seats with him. So now I've got like a 6-2 guy. No. Respectfully was man spreading the whole time. And I am mindful of these things. I'm looking at, like, I'm looking, and he's in my space.

So she switched seats with me just to give my seat away. One of the rudest, no, it was dastardly. The rudest thing that has ever happened to me on a flight. Like, I know I'm a, I'm a bigger guy, maybe it's not always easy to sit next to me, but like, come on. Oh, no. What do we do? Man. I'm never switching seats with somebody ever again.

You shouldn't. Like, the pushover millennial, it's over. It's over. I don't believe. I don't believe you. No, we can't. It's like, like, I was besides I can't believe that. The guy was nice, but he, again, he was, he was, he was in my space. Like, when you look down at the armrest in front of you, that is where your leg cannot pass. And he was past it, though, not the whole flight, but a lot of the flight. Did she know that person? Yeah, she knew him. So I think she, she, she, I don't know why she wanted. So you think she planned this. I don't, well, she clearly played me. Let me just get that out of the way now. I was clearly

played um i don't know what a rube i don't know mark i don't know yeah she totally she made it sound like she was trying to help me too like you just seemed penned that is devilish yeah so i the rudest thing it's ever happened me on a flight i'm never switching conceits on anybody ever again so she knew when she switched me she must have known that the guy wouldn't want to get pen wouldn't want to get stuck yeah against the wall so she knew she had to upgrade to the aisle in order to get the switch. I wonder if she was like trying to... And she didn't even give it a cursory like five minutes.

No, it was literally 90 seconds later. That is crazy. The guy sits out. He's like, how you doing? And I'm like... That's crazy. She didn't even ask you if it was okay if she could then switch? Oh, no, not at all.

She took my seat and she gave it away. Oh, my God. And then I was stuck there for two hours. There was not a jury in the world, E.J. No service. No, like, just not moving on the tarmac next to this new semate that stole my seat and he was on that we were on the plane for like eight combined hours oh my god he's just in my seat stewing i would have been so mad it's one of those things where i like just tried to like like like

like push like suppress it until i got off the plane at the end of the night and told my i told julia about it and i told my uh i told my sister about it and i was just like i feel like that's the worst part you couldn't even like text somebody yeah he's the guy sitting right that this is what this is happening to me oh yeah because i didn't have service either and like i was i was complaining about some of the people that I was flying with. I'm like, like, trying to, like, hold my phone up to the window the wrong way so that they can't see the text. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Oh, my God. That is really, really nasty. I've never heard anything like that. That's crazy. Meanwhile, she's telling her friends, like, guess what I did to that bozo. Yeah, I played this guy in that bozo. Maybe I was the bozo after all. Oh, man.

I'm never switching seats with anybody ever again. And you're just sitting there. Oh, that is outrageous behavior. It's awful. I think you, I think, I think what you needed to do after that happened was then walk over to her and say you'd like to switch back now.

Like, I want you to have to sit or just tell the guy, like, that's my seat. I'm taking that seat. Oh, no, she was in the middle seat. Well, I would have done it for a spite. I have never, I think, I think I've flown on the middle seat once in all my, all my years covering the team. Oh, man.

And I was, yeah, you're looking around. Like, sir, sir, my. Got a red card. Like, get this woman off. It was awful. You got to convince her to get water for all her friends. Yeah. So she can't come back on the plane.

That would be a good one. Like, oh, you know, these guys are really thirsty. Hey, your friends told me to tell you to get the water. Not a great travel day. But I got to watch Polar Bus. I'm going to stay positive about it. But Florida Bus is good. You know what I said to a few people about it?

Like what my comp is. Did you watch Westworld? It's like, it is like Vince Gilligan's take on Westworld. It's like a better call Saul meets Westworld. Westworld, another great example of, give me one season, that's all I need. There were two good seasons with Westworld. We're there? Yeah.

Like this is, I've learned my lesson. like, you know, since we're talking about brands now, we can talk about HBO, right? Yeah. All right. I wanted to make sure there weren't any connections to the HBO franchise that we need to be careful about.

Like, HBO has had two or three shows that for a season and a half have been as good as anything on TV and then they just plummet. And it's so disappointing. No, but I feel like HBO in particular. Did you watch Barry? Yeah.

Barry was awesome. Yeah, and I stopped watching after two seasons. Yeah. I'm really hoping the last of us can be the exception to this. I haven't watched the second. I'm not optimistic. People didn't like the second season as much.

I just want one more Game of Thrones in my lifetime. One more, The Wire. Yeah, that's one that really stuck the landing. Well, yeah, that's fair. But Game of Thrones had like five seasons that were just awesome. Succession. Succession was really good throughout. Succession did a pretty good job.

Like, succession left you wanting more. I agree with that. Yeah. But yeah, Westworld, man. I thought Westworld was going to be like the new Game of Thrones. Because the thing about Westworld that was special is that, like, the same way that Game of Thrones is like a show that you finish watching and you immediately went to wherever you go to discuss shows with people, whatever social media that is, you had to go there to talk about the theories. And it was kind of like, it became like your whole night. You know what I mean?

Like in the way that sports, like you watch the game and then you want to watch the post game show and you want to like talk to people about the game for like the rest of the night and the whole week. Like Westworld was like that too. You almost needed to like go learn what actually. happened from somebody who was like watching it more intently than you. You're Alan Seppin-wall recap. Yeah, you needed like the Fran Duffy of like, you know, Westworld breakdowns. And like, they just lost it. It was so sad.

But maybe Pluribus. Maybe that can be the new one. I am enjoying Pluribus so far. And I can already tell you this does not need to be more than one episode, more than one season. Yeah, probably. Build me the world. Tell me the story. See you later.

Pluribus is bordering on too spooky for me. Did you want to, before we leave, discuss what happened in the Eagles locker room? Yeah, I think overtime's a good time for it. Okay. So I think maybe some of our listeners would have watched Sequin Barclay's press conference and noticed something happened at the beginning. I'm not saying that somebody, like, farted as loud as I've ever heard somebody fart, but it sounded like that.

What's your theory? I don't have a theory. I mean, it's a locker room. I don't have a sense of smell. Do you think it was a real fart? Or do you think it was somebody making a fart noise? I'm going to go, I'm going to guess it wasn't a real fart. And people should watch Saquan Barclay's press conference so that they can hear it for themselves.

I'm going to guess it wasn't a real fart, even though I will say that some, what's the poll? Lindsay's done a, how would you rate yourself as a texter? Oh, I like that. I like that. Um, I would rate myself, like, is it grades or is it percentages? Percentiles as shielded. Centiles. Okay.

Amazing. Always respond. 44% thinks, oh, what do you know? 44% think they're great. 34% pretty okay, but may forget. 15% 50-50 shot I answer. That's me. 7% you'll never hear from me.

I love that. I like those descriptions, Lindsay. I am definitely a 50-50 shot I answer guy. I would say I'm pretty okay, but may forget. You know what it is? If you send me something that takes, like, real thought and you know I'm socially anxious, there is a chance that I never answer it. Well, it's just, it's, it's, uh, I want to, I want to give this time to sit down and do it,

and then I just never get to it. Yeah, exactly. I just forget, yeah. Yeah. But I don't want to, I don't want to give it, uh, a quick response, but then I just forget. So some people in the chat are saying it was 100% a fart. I think Seekwon looks surprised. I don't think you looked annoyed.

Um, I'm going to. guess it was too loud. I don't think it was a fart. I think it was something that sounded like a fart. But there were players in the locker room that thought that someone had. No, if it had been a fart, do you think it was a player or a media member? I think it was a player. Yeah, not for any like, you know, salacious reason. It sounded like it came from where the players were, not the media. I was going to say, it sounded like a player fart. Francis said 1,000 or whatever that is percent a fart I in the sky doesn't lie

I mean I always said when I was young I used always say I only get the fun part of farts because I don't have a sense of smell Yeah that's good It still holds true Okay All right good stuff If there's anybody out there Who can help us get to the bottom of who this woman was

on the plane. I'd love to have her on the show. No, she's not invited on the show. No. You want to hear her side of the story? No, I want to, I want to rake her through the coals here, or, like, see if she can teach us some of her tricks. It's a valuable. Of playing people on the play. She probably ended up in first class. I didn't even notice it. She probably switched her way. Maybe she'd be a good play caller. Yeah. She adjusted mid-game. Yeah. That's exactly right. All right. Now I'll do it for this episode of the PHAI Eagles podcast. Check out the Sixers guys and girls tonight.

The Sixers have a game. Kickoff, pregame show starts at 7.30. And the postgame show, of course. We will be with you. Remember, all day tomorrow at Redding Terminal, come on by and say hi. You know, fart in E.J.'s face. He won't smell it. Please don't do that.

Tomorrow's going to be a big day. We got not only all those shows, but we've got a Wednesday swooper with Fran. We've got Mina Kimes joining the show. Should be a lot of fun tomorrow. And new time tomorrow, given all the stuff, we have 1 o'clock tomorrow. So 1 o'clock for us tomorrow at Redding Terminal. And then, of course, we'll be back on Friday for Eagles Bears, Malcolm Jenkins. Going to join us about that.

Yeah, it's pretty cool. So for E.J. and Lindsay, and all of you sickos, I'm Bo. We will talk to you tomorrow at 1 o'clock. And as always, we love you. We all silly like the mayor.