PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Can EVIL GENIUS Sean Mannion Cook Up An Elite Offense For Eagles? | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

Jordan Mailata called Sean Mannion an “evil genius” as the offensive coordinator takes charge of the new Jalen Hurts offense with Saquon Barkley, DeVonta Smith and Makai Lemon at the forefront. What can Mannion deliver schematically to improve the Eagles’ efficiency on offense? Join EJ Smith, Fran Duffy and Bo Wulf. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello. Welcome to the P.H.O. Eagles podcast on a beautiful Wednesday afternoon, live from the Xfinity Mobile Studio, and presented by Ashley Bo Wolf. Fran Duffy here. E.J. Smith once again has decided he has better things to do than join us at the top of the show. But he will join us in a little bit. He is preparing. He is talking to two Eagles assistant coaches, Ryan Maffee and Josh the Grisz. Grisard will find out what kind of deal. details he can tell us about all of that. We got to start here, Fran. What a, what a great comment to kick things off here from Maximum J, who says he just became a diehard after listening for about a year now. Happy to join the crew. Let's go. Maximum J. Welcome. Maximum J. Welcome. And you should know that pretty, I don't know, I don't know how soon, But soon enough, you know, you're going to have some guys to secondhand do with Fran. I mean, you're, you've started doing 2026 guys, 2027 guys. I have.

Yeah, I'm, I've, I've written up. I mean, a bunch of them were already, like I had a bunch of guys in the can already because they were like players I thought might enter the 2026 draft. So, uh, I probably got a total of like 30 reports written already. Um, but I've been doing like a handful. Uh, I did a quarterback Darien Mensa from Miami, uh, who was previously at Duke. So the new Miami quarterback did a minister.

Good player. So yeah, no, it's, I'm excited about, about the draft guide to come. And we are actually, we are now at the point, friend, where the guys you are doing could potentially be the pick for the AJ Brown 2028 first round pick. It's possible. Yeah, everybody talking about how loaded next year's classes. Some of those guys could stay in the, stay in the draft. I mean, as a good example of that.

He's a player that's got two years of eligibility remaining. So even if he doesn't have like a lights out year this year, he could decide to go back. All right. Now we will wait to hear from me, Jay, about the coaches. But I think we should have a little bit of a Sean Mannion discussion to kick things off here, Fran. After seeing a few things yesterday during the OTA that did sort of make our eyes open in terms of this is not something we have seen the Eagles do very much. And I do want to start with the one that is always a little bit of a. tired trope come the summer.

We poked a little bit of fun at it yesterday. But the, you know, is this the year that Saquan is going to be involved in the passing game? Are they really going to throw the ball to the running back in this offense? And I did do a little homework here, Franz. I want to talk to you about this. Last year,

where would you guess the Eagles ranked in terms of targets to the running back on balls that were thrown beyond the line of scrimmage? So you're taking out, you're taking out like checkdowns and RB screens. I mean, I got to think they were like 31st. Close.

They were 27th. Yeah, I would imagine bottom third. Yeah. There were 27 such attempts on those. Now, I will tell you that Green Bay, not much higher. Green Bay was actually only one spot higher through one more ball to a running back beyond the line of scrimmage. However, number one, I think you could definitely guess who number one was. number one would have been sorry uh let's see no who was number one

san francisco and well yeah okay yes right and and this is one where the difference between san francisco at number one and arizona and detroit who were tied for number two in terms of total total targets bigger than the difference between two and 32 so the the niners are like more than double they're way ahead of everybody in the league because they have christian mcalfrey we're not saying that the egos are going to use Sequin Berkeley in quite the same way. Now, the year before in 2024, when Sequin first got here, Eagles were actually sort of the middle of the league. They were 14th on that list with 40 such passes.

I think we remember that Packers game. I think we saw it a little bit earlier maybe before they sort of turned the knob to this is going to be just a downhill running-based offense. But San Francisco was number one that year. But that year, San Francisco was very close to the number two team in the league. And so they made a very concerted effort, which you can understand because this is when Ayuk goes down. They trade Debo Samuel. So they have to sort of re-figure what that wide receiver, what that passing distribution is going to look like. So from 2024 to 2025, the Niners offense totally dialed up their usage of Christian McCaffrey as a receiver.

It more than doubled it. And so that is why I am wondering if in a post-A. Brown world, if the Eagles are looking at how can they maximize the talent that they have at their disposal, could this be the kind of thing where it's not just a marginal difference, but we really do see Seyquan Barkley used as a nominal receiver? What do you think? I definitely think it's possible. And when you look at some of the teams that Sean Manning has been around, he's been with some coaches, both as a player and as a coach, that have been really good at being able to incorporate the running back as a receiver and it's to me i split it up into two different elements i split it up into the screen

game and like who are good like screen screen designers and being able to you know kind of uh you know orchestrate some of those kinds of concepts we all remember like andy reed it was so so good in the screen game and then i look at like the running back like vertical like downfield uh kind of weapon and those you know we remember the you mentioned that green bay game that the uh the first touchdown of the 2024 season went on that uh that that that sale route to to to to Sequan Barkley. And so I think when you're looking at the ways that they can leverage Sequan's skill set, I do think that that's an area where like, because honestly, I don't think that the screen game has been, it has not been particularly good since 2011. And you can look at

that as is that a, is Nick Siriani and that staff? They've not been great at orchestrating screens or is Jalen Hertz not a good screen game thrower? I kind of think it's somewhere in both camps with that one. I don't think that Jalen's strength is necessarily like throwing with touch on those type of screens. They throw the receiver screen fine, but it's a different level of touch that's kind of required for those middle screens. And so when I look at, when I look at that, I'm of two minds there. That said, I can remember there was there was at least one or two downfield shots with Sagan as like the primary last year that were left on the table. Jalen turned down for one reason or another. And so if you can kind of like,

did you remember that one play where I forget which team it was against, but Jailen checked to it. He checked to Sequin on the outside. And then we never saw it again. Yes. Was it against the commanders, I want to say? Yeah. That could be wrong.

But to the screen, to the screen conversation, I've actually, I've had this conversation with Sequin and asked him about it. And his thought is that he thinks running back screens with a mobile quarterback are actually much more difficult because the defensive line is already not going full force towards the quarterback. they are already being a little bit patient in worrying about is this is the quarterback going to escape? And so as far as Sequin's concerned, like he doesn't think that that's something that they should necessarily over index on adding to the offense. I want to see him use more, you know, downfield.

And even if it's just, you know, a few more Texas routes, right? But downfield shots, I do think that that is something that they can use him. Yeah. And you mentioned like Green Bay was very low on that last year. and I think that's more like personnel based because Josh Jacobs not necessarily that kind of guy and they haven't had great depth at that spot, especially in terms of like that they drafted Marshaun Lloyd. Marshaun Lloyd was that kind of weapon during his college career. It was actually a really good receiver, but he's just been unable to stay healthy. But when I go back to Matt LaFleur's like earlier days when they had Aaron Jones and Jamal Williams, those guys like Aaron Jones was really, really good in that offense and all the different sail routes and vertical concepts that they ran with him out of the backfield.

And so to me, like if you got a guy like Sequin, Sequin Barclay, that's a weapon you can leverage in that way. And so that would be something I'd be really interested to see more off in this offense. Okay. So do you think that that, I guess, I guess two questions. One, how likely do you think it is that we see a significant uptick in that usage of Sequin and Barclay? And two, how much of a positive sign do you think that that would be? I'm glad you couched it with significant uptick.

I think it's probably unlikely it's a huge, huge, uptick is something I would like to see yes because I think there's this quote from I remember watching a Steve Sarkesian clinic when he was at Alabama yeah now we're talking real sick of stuff a while ago and it's something that stuck with me and I think it's right that the running back in the past game is like one of the most underutilized like favorable matchups in all of football and I think that's very true if you can get creative there and to me like that's yeah like that's a button I'd continue to try and find ways to push so I think it's, I think they, yeah, there's, there's going to be an uptick versus being, you know, 27th in the league or 29th in the league, whatever it was.

But is it, are they going to be like third? Probably not. So that would kind of be where I land there. And what do you think, what do you think of Sequin as a receiver? Oh, I mean, to me, like he's not. So the way I kind of categorize running backs in the past game whenever we're coming out of college, right? Because I do everything on five point scale. Five would be like, you imagine like Christian McCaffrey where it's like, okay. There's two guys basically who are five. McAfrey and Heinrich. Yeah, it's like, I mean, you're not wrong. Basically, where you can you can line them up all across the formation and they legitimately can run routes like a wide receiver and they catch everything. You know, they've got great hands.

They run routes to the whole deal and they've got that versatility. Very few guys that are like that. Then you've got like your four and that's where I put Seekwan, a four out of five where you would say this is a guy that can be used vertically down the field like and has like the ball tracking ability to finish like. So sail routes, wheel routes, like, you know, you think of, you know, Darren Sproles, like, to me, like, that's, that's, those are the kind of weapons where it's like, yeah, like, this is someone you want to be able to try and find ways to get the ball in space and they've got the ability to finish at the catch point. Three would be like good hands, like steady. Like I think of like do staley for, you know, from an eagle standpoint is like good hands, really, really steady, but probably more like underneath screen game, things like that. You know, and then two and one, there would be like, all right, like these are guys who are not going to necessarily factor two. often in the past game.

All right. Now, an offshoot of that is another thing that we saw, I believe, at least twice yesterday with the ones. And that is, you know, one way to get Sequin down the field more is to have 21 personnel on the field. And, you know, I think, I think you and I kind, I think we agree here that 21 personnel, for the most part, is window dressing for window dressing. sick and and you know it's like ooh they're in 21 personnel what's the defense going to do now

and it's like well they're going to do whatever they want to do it doesn't really matter however something that they can you know tune on the margins a little bit we are talking you know a handful of snaps over the course of the season most likely would you like to guess where the Eagles were the last two seasons combined in 21 personnel usage that's another one that's got to be like bottom five, bottom six. We'll say in the last two seasons, uh, 29th. 25th, but it's one point two percent of the time. Of course, and most of those I think were last year with, with, uh, EJ's guy, lot to on the field. And so this is a tough one because anybody who plays fullbacks that's going to count as 21 personnel, but the one that you would look at is,

is Miami at number two, uh, who, who were there at 27% of the time last two seasons. And that is a bit of an offshoot of a similar tree. You know, they haven't those guys haven't worked together, but what were we going to say? Well, so here's the thing. There are, when we talk about two back stuff, to me, there are, there are two huge, like branches here. There's like the two back like pony sets where it's like two true running backs in the field.

And that's the part that I feel is like can be a little bit overrated and like overplayed. And then there's like the fullback. Because then that gets into like multiple tight end stuff. Because essentially that fullback is operating as a tight end. And so you're really, you. know, the way you're going to use that schematically and philosophically is going to be more along that life. I think that's much more, like, useful. And if you've got the right guy, it makes a lot of sense.

It's the pony stuff that that can get a little hair. And that's what we saw yesterday. So you were not shaking in your boots if you see Will Shipley on the field and the backfield next to Saquan Barkley. Well, here's what I'd say. It's a fine needle to thread, right? it's a yes there is it can be like a you know a little too fancy for you know for fancy sake right where it's like oh yeah like look at this look at this cool thing are there times where like teams are really good at being able to utilize those guys absolutely but i think it requires like

the the right creativity the right commitment to it um and honestly like the right skill sets so like if will shippley is going to be a big part of the offense then yeah you find we find ways to be able to try and get him. I mean, there, there's been nothing to show that they're going to, like, incorporate him as, like, a bigger part of the offense and of the game plan. And so if it's just going to be like, oh, yeah, like, once or twice a game, like, we throw those guys out there, I've got a little bit juice for that. If it's a thing that's actually a part of your offense, and you've put, like, real, like, brick building thought behind it, sure. Let's see what you've got. And the fact that they're, and the fact that they're implementing it now, or at least reping it now in June,

Okay, let's, then I'm a little bit curious about it. When it's the kind of thing where, you know, we saw last season every week, there's a new, like, little wrinkle where there's an, there's an interesting formation that comes on the field in the opening script. And then at some point later in the game, that group's going to be on and you're going to fake it to the guy that you actually gave it to and try something else. And it's like very clearly, okay, we put that in the game plan this week and one play works off the other and everybody can see it coming.

Like, let's avoid that. Yeah, there was the, I don't remember the exact year. It was the Eagles went on the road to Buffalo. And I want to say it was like 20 19, I believe. 2018, 2018, 2019. There was a Jordan Howard, like, long touchdown run that came out of pony personnel. And so the Eagles, I had like mixed it in a little bit here and there. I'm pretty sure it was, it was, was it Miles rookie year?

I want to say it was like Miles Sanders and Jordan Howard together. I remember correctly. And I remember 18 is Sanders rookie year, but anyway, go ahead. Yeah, it was in that realm. And I remember having this conversation with a coach at that time. And it's like, all right, well, if you have, let's say it's Sequin Barclay and Will Shipley out in the field at one time. Our team's really going to buy that like, it goes back to the, honestly, it's like the Eli Stowers conversation. It's very similar where when this player is on the field, does the team, does the opposing team respect your ability to both run and pass the ball out of this look, right?

And so if they don't and you become predictable, that doesn't help you unless, and this was the point that this coach made to me, this was like years ago after that Jordan Howard play, sometimes teams, offenses want to be predictable where it's like, hey, like basically where it's like, all right, you think it's going to be past, you think it's going to be past, you think it's going to be past. And then all of a sudden, like, all right, now we get hit this one, this one play. Yeah. But it's like, okay. Yeah. So if you want to save it for that, like I get it. But that's what I mean is that to me, if the juice is going to be really worth the squeeze, I do think you really have to commit to the bit.

Okay. I think that's fair. All right, time to take a quick break. On the other side, I will ask you one more little marginal scheme question, one that we touched on briefly yesterday. I'm going to tell you something. Well, you know what? Think about this, Fran, before we go to break. And everybody can think about it.

How many times over the past four seasons has Jalen Hertz? lined up under center and dropped back to pass with no play action at all. Think about it yesterday? I'll give you the answer on the other side. Hello. You know I've been wondering, what if you could have the same reliable and intelligent Wi-Fi all for the same price for five years in a row? Good news. That's the Xfinity price guarantee.

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He did some time to think about it. Fran, how many times since 2022 under Nick Siriani has Jalen Hertz dropped back to pass under center? We'll say two. Good guess. The answer is one. It was just that one last year. It was actually not last year. It was against Green Bay in the playoff game,

completed a, I believe, 12-yard pass to Devante Smith. Now, if you do it on True Media, you got to filter out plays where the ball was out in like a second or a second and a half because there are a couple red zone plays where he just rolls out real quick

and throws it to Dallas Goddard. Those don't. cap. So one play over the course of his career as as Eagles quarterback. And yet he did it yesterday. Now, this is one where, I mean, this is mostly gone from the NFL period. You just don't really see pure dropback under center plays in the NFL. But the Eagles are dead last in that over the past four years. And you would not be surprised to know that San Francisco is number one in this category over the course of time. And once again, more than double number two. And number two here, Green Bay. So this is one where, I mean, you are talking that Green Bay was second with 68 plays in

four seasons. So it's less than a play per game. So again, this is, this is June. And we are talking about something that could happen once or twice a game in this single season. But that's what we're here to do. We're here to get into the nitty gritty, Fran. What, what, what, what, what, what, what, What would make this such a leap for Jalen to do and what makes it, why has it completely disappeared from the NFL? A couple of different questions. A couple of different things there. I would say, yeah, a little bit of an adjustment for Jalen just kind of remembering things.

My guess is that he's done over the course of his career, especially considering since he started his career at Alabama. I don't think he did much of that when he was with Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. But at Alabama, I would imagine he did a little bit more of it. the big thing and honestly i think this is tangential to the conversation we were just having about the different personnel groupings what you're trying to do when you're when you're incorporating this into the offense is that you are trying to give opposing defensive players and defense coordinators more to think about when you line up under center so if it's not under center it's

not you know basically if you are a uh you're you're you're fred warner you're going up against the eagles you're the 49ers linebacker uh jaylin hurts goes under center you're right away you're like narrowing down like all right what are the concepts that I could see out of this all right these are the run plays they like to run out of center I've been studying this all week here are their top five under center runs here are their top six under center passes it's going to be play or it's going to be play or it's going to be play or it's going to be whatever whatever it is you have that like that roll decks of this is what they are going to run out of this play or out of this formation now if you are going to now incorporate like just straight drop back that is going to expand the different concepts that you can run for the quarterback from that look. And so now you're just making yourself a little bit less predictable from a defensive standpoint. And so that is the benefit to it. I remember listening to Nate Tice actually kind of pegged this correctly last year going in going into last years around this time a year ago and saying like, yeah, I think we're going to start to see a little bit more of this. I think the kind of talking with people is that I got the got the understanding that we were going

to see more of it going into 2025. You know, I think that those numbers kind of bore out that we saw more of it across the league. So yeah, I like, if you are going to do more from under center, incorporating that in, I think it's a smart move. Over under four and a half such plays by Jalen Hertz this season. If they're doing it this early in the off season, I would, I thought probably over there. Yeah, definitely. Okay.

Yeah. Jalen Hertz since 2022, tied for the Eagles lead in straight drop. back played from under center with Tanner McKee and Kenny Pickett. There go. That shows you how often he did it. There you go. Okay. So you think Jaylen is fine at this, would be fine at this.

Yeah, because to me, like the, it's just a muscle memory thing. Like, it's not like he's, I shouldn't say, my guess is he has done it over the course of his career, going back to college and even high school. So, you know, without grinding every single. And I honestly, I probably could go and just pull it really quickly and see, yeah, I'll do it as we're talking. My guess is he's done it at least a little bit. I wonder if there is a,

kind of like ancillary teaching benefit to this when you're working on this in the spring with Jalen Hertz. Because like the under-centered dropback game, you have to be really precise with your footwork, right? And so if so much of your coaching focus with Jalen this off-season is about hammering the footwork, you know, it's easier to get him on board when it's something he hasn't really done a lot of recently. And so, like, it's part of a larger picture.

And so, I don't know. I'm just thinking about as the coaching staff is trying to change some things about a player who rightly should feel very good about himself, maybe doing something and incorporating something that he hasn't repped a ton can be part of the, of that process. Does that make sense? Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that to me, it's a, it's just kind of, it goes, it's part and parcel with everything, a lot of the other things that he's going to be asked to do.

That's just a departure from what, you know, he's done really quickly. He did, he had eight dropbacks in college from 2017 to 2018 in Alabama, where it was under center, no play action. So he did a little bit of it, but not too, not too much. So a little bit. Who is giving you this kind of analysis in June? It's June 3rd. Come on.

Okay. Fran, how was your birthday last night? It was great. We got off of the U.S. went and picked up Francis from school, came back. I told him he's got to do his homework first, and then we went out back and we played some basketball. Did you take him down?

We did, we did, so like did shoot around. We shot around for a little bit and then we played some of around the world. so I told him out of a play around the world a little bit. He, we, we kind of split. So I'm shooting from, I'm shooting like, like, from distance or going all the way around. He got a big head because I let him go like just around the rim. So after he beat me a couple times around, like, all right, you're taking two steps back on each. And now we're adding shots.

And so we did that. Then we played pig. We played a couple rounds of pig. So he learned how to lose him pig. Yeah, it was good. Do you, when you're playing around the world, world are you are you rolling the dice or are you you like taking what you got are you uh it depends on the flow of the whole it depends where we're at you know i definitely play game

theory comes into comes into play uh even when i'm going up against him so it depends on depends on where he's at uh how i'm feeling at a moment so so yeah no it's uh it was a game by game you're playing to win oh he knows i never let him win at anything so the uh if he beats me it's because You beat me, but now we're going to level the play a little bit. All right. That's good to know. And somebody else wants to know how the garden is going? Garden's going well.

I actually just got everything in the ground this weekend. So we've got Calabrian Chili's, a red pepper. That sounds fun. I did a watermelon this year. I let Francis pick one. So he picked a watermelon. So we got a watermelon plant in. Okay.

Is this your first watermelon experience? No, I did watermelon before Francis was born. I find it to be a little too labor intensive and just like, I'll just go buy a watermelon rather than like put the work. But Francis wanted to, I told them if he helped me with the yard work. But couldn't you say that about all the things that you're planting? Yeah, but a lot of work goes into the watermelon for like maybe two. And it's like it's, it requires like a lot of watering once the fruit starts to bear. So like once you start to get it, it's like, all right, we got to make sure I'm getting this thing a ton of water.

otherwise it's just not worth it so yeah to me it's more like the the novelty and that's why i haven't done it but i told francis we were owned in the store we went to uh one of the big box stores on uh on on sunday morning and i i knew i had a full day we were putting the basketball on that together and i had to do i had a bunch of yard work i was like all right you're going to be outside with me all day you help me in return you could pick out one plant uh so i let me pick out the water melon so so yeah we got everything the ground we got tomatoes we got peppers um and then the watermelon. What is the best, what is the opposite version of that where it's the the least labor intensive but the highest yield? Cherry tomatoes, like without question. That's the easiest.

So I did that with paired that with basil. I don't know what it is. I think of like pasta as like at least the pasta as like I make. I think of pasta as like more like a like a comfort like fall and like winter. But when I get it's like spring and summer, I don't know what it is. Like I think it's because I'm like cooking more. I find myself like, so I'm like, all. Well, I'm going to make these because I know like any given week, like I'm making like two different pastas. So I can just go out and grab cherry tomatoes. I can throw them in and grab some fresh basil, throw that in. So yeah, that's, I mean, there's hardly ever a meal in which I wouldn't just rather have pasta.

Yeah. I mean, like literally it's like I said that to Meg over the weekend. I was like, I'm thinking about making lasagna for, you know, I'll make it on Sunday. She's like, you just did that like before we went away. And I was like, oh, yeah, you're right. I did just do that like two weeks ago. So, all right, I'll hold off on the lasagna. You can make a different kind of pasta then.

I know. Let's, that's a go-to. Well, we got to stay here now, actually, because you brought up the Sunday cooking. Now you take a lot of pride in the Sunday cooking. You're doing meal. This is, this is, you're cooking ahead. You're doing meal prep for everybody in the house, right? Yeah.

Usually cooking several things. Yeah, so I've gotten into, especially like during the off season. you know, once Sunday's open back up. Sure. So I'll usually carve out like a couple hours while I'll do like a bunch of cooking. That way we're not thinking about meals during the week. And it's mainly like we for dinners, it's not as bad. It's more like breakfasts and lunch.

Yeah. So I'll cook like Meg will have a request. So she'll send me a recipe for something that she wants. I'll go out, I'll buy everything and I'll make something for her. I make something for me for lunch for the week, sometimes stuff for Francis for dinner. And I usually will just rather than like, all right, I'll do this on Sunday, this on Monday, this on Tuesday. I just get it all done at once. So I've got like three different recipes going like across the scope of the kitchen.

And do you have that all in here as you're juggling them all? Yes. Or are you like, you know, writing out what's going to have the plan of attack for juggling those things? The only time I write things out like that is if it is a like holiday. We've got we've got people coming over. Thanksgiving is the only time I actually, I actually plot it out. Yeah. We're hosting Thanksgiving or Christmas dinner or something like that.

all right people are coming over we have to get everything on the table by 430 then i will then i'm writing stuff out and planning it ahead of time otherwise i'm just i'm just i'm just winged it yes um and it's like all right like uh i've got you know one uh you know my phone is to my timer for for this meal and my you know the kitchen Alexa is running it's running timers for uh for that meal and just go about that way and and the the the news from this weekend is that i had you had a rare you had a rare dud i did like a twice it It was like a it's like one of the things where you like do the mashed potatoes and you put it inside like this. So you like you bake the potato and then you make the you know, you take the stuffing out and you mash it and you mix it up with stuff and put it back in the potato skin and then heat it back up just a just a terrible job with the potato this time.

And so like Meg had it yesterday for lunch and she was like, taste. She's like we're eating lunch together and she was like, um, she's like yeah like something about the potato. I'm like oh like a little bit of picky eater. I must say. Oh, shot fire. all right um you know so so she didn't take it today so i was like all right like i'll i'll have it today and i took like three bites and i was like woof i was like this was brutal so i actually texted her i was like yeah i really flopped on the uh on the potato meal so what was not the skin the inside the inside

the inside mash when it's just like it's like very like um gummy very bland like i don't know i don't know if i just did a bad job cooking the potato it's a seasoning issue not a texture issue Well, that's a, no, it's a texture. It's more, it's the text. The texture is the number one issue. Because that's the thing is that there's like, it's like chicken and like some like Greek yogurt and cheese and corn. Like there's a bunch of stuff. And there's, so there's other things in there.

The toppings are all good. Like the chicken was exactly how I would want it. But like potato itself, just just not great. Okay. I'm sorry to hear that. Okay. You know, not every, not every. But that's what's when you, when, when you knock it out of the park this Sunday,

it's going to feel even better. Oh, I mean, that's, you know, I'll come back. I'm only as good as the last meal. Strike out once, but then you go three-for-to the next day, then you can appreciate it. I've had to explain this to Francis because he struck out a couple times last week, and he was like all down. So I'm like, I pulled up Bryce Harper and showed up. I was like, yeah, like, see, like he just did this last night.

It's a game of failure. You go with the Hall of Famers get out seven out of ten times? I tried explaining that to actually the entire team, and it didn't land as well as I was hoping. So, you know, I've got to go with like the Bryce Harper and Kyle Schwerver scenario. Yeah. All right. Time to take a break. We'll come back on the other side.

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Friend, I have three pieces of Eagle or not Eagles news, NFL news to get your take on. One of them is Eagles related. Yep. Let's start with Mary Kay Cavett's report about the Miles Garrett trade and the possibility that the Eagles were involved. She says that the Browns said that Jalen Carter was never offered and the Eagles never would have offered Jailen Carter. So the Eagles never really close on a Miles Garrett trade. What do you make of that?

They never offered Jalen Carter, but who did they offer? is like my like my would be I guess where my head goes. My guess is it would probably be Nolan Smith in that situation, potentially Jalick's hunt. That would be got my guess based off them getting Jared verse. Now I don't think that either of those two players would get the same return. So I think you're getting, you're offering more draft compensation in return for Garrett as well.

So it wouldn't be just like, oh, substitute Jared verse out for Jailix Hunt and it's the same trade. But yeah, I'm sure the Eagles had conversations. Okay, next up. Some thoughts that the Eagles could be interested in a different edge rusher. Former Eagle Josh Swett from the Arizona Cardinals. Mike Garifola putting that one to bed. Actually, Ian Rapaport, I believe, putting that one to bed saying that Josh Swet not going to the Packers, the Eagles, nor anywhere.

He will be staying in Phoenix. Yeah, there was buzz going back early. I mean, even like, it was like combine time I was hearing like, oh, like Josh Swett might want out of Arizona. And so it's not surprising that we're now in June and we're still kind of hearing about it. It wouldn't shock me if something got done there before the start of the season, though. Okay. So you're calling a bluff on that one?

I'm calling a bluff, I think. Okay. Next up, former Fran Duffy favorite, the great quarterback Nathan Peterman is moving on from the NFL and becoming an agent. What do you feel about that one? I mean, I can't wait to hear what deal he's a centerpiece on. I'm sure we'll get wind of that next at the start of the new league year in 2027. He's very high on your agent projection board. I mean, the guys, he's built for this.

The vertical board. Yeah, on the vertical board. Yeah, he's, look, he carded out a nice career as a backup. Clearly, did not reach the ceiling that I anticipate for. Doesn't take a whiff on that one. Come on. Yeah, look, it's like the baked potato dish. Like, you know, they're not all going to be, they're not all going to be perfect.

All right. Last one for you. And this one is Eagles related. And this is your reaction to the tweet from C.J. Gardner Johnson. We had all that beef in Philly locker room. Sheesh. He, he's, Philly always front of mind for CJ, G.J. That's, it's, he's a.

He's a fun narrator for sure. What's your take on that? I don't know. Let me ask you this question about the Miles Garrett trade. I think that he's a great, like, maybe the best past rusher we've seen, right? Well, I'm surprised by this because I thought in the past, you've been like, I'll give everything for Miles Garrett. I would. No, no, no, no, no.

And I would. I think the big thing, like, because now everyone's like, oh, man, like the rancers. Rams like that we just we saw this team have like a future Hall of Fame defensive linemen that you have to account for. And it's like it's not like they all of a sudden are just like they are the the best team that we've ever seen in the NFL. You know, like if Aaron Donald goes and returns to them and it's like, all right, now you've got a bunch of guys up front. You know, to me, I'm just like, all right, like they're a good team, but let's not let's not go nuts. Because at the end of the day, they are also still like, it's a house of cards. you know, Matthew Stafford's Day healthy last year.

There's no guarantee that that would be the case this year. Devante Adams was healthy for most of the year last year and then was not at the end of the season. They looked to potentially replace him for a reason this past spring. So like, you know, I wouldn't say that this is like the best team we've seen in modern history. I agree with that. Yeah. It's still. You said that, but I feel like that has been the sentiment in the last like three days.

Like, oh, man, like overwhelming Super Bowl favor. Why even for the season? Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's how the off season works. you know, I mean, you're right. I mean, they are, they've got four load-bearing stars and Stafford, Nukua, Garrett, and now Trent McDuffie, I guess. Yeah.

And if any one of those four guys misses serious time, then they won't be as good. Yep. Who would you, who is the most important of those four? I mean, Stafford. Stafford. Stafford, Garrett, then McDuffie, then Nuccair. I think they could make the offensive work without Bucca. I think, yeah.

No, I think I would go Nakuwa over McDuffie. Okay. I think that Nekua, especially because of the fragility of DeBonte Adams, Nekua makes things go for them because of like the run-pass element and like just how much of the high volume target he is. Like to me, that's a very important piece for them. Super chat from SRG who tells us that the wording of the report from Mary Kay K. it is that the Browns would never have wanted Jalen Carter in return, which maybe that's a defensive tackle thing and not an edge thing. Just because they drafted Mason Graham last year.

Could be. Could be. Big week for Mason Graham on the P.HL. Eagle Show. I mean, yeah, there are there are other elements of that conversation. The idea that the Rams and that Howie Roseman and Les Need are kindred spirits with teams. team building philosophy. Oh, okay. You're with me on this. Yeah. I mean, you know, they are alike in that they want to field a good team with good players.

It is pretty different in terms of the way they go about it. All right. Well, we are going to head to our final break. We're going to let you go, Fran, unless you want to get in a heated argument here with E. But I think you've done your service. You and E.J. can unpack this on Friday. You're going to be in studio together on Friday. Save your beat.

for then, you know, do it for content's sake. Yeah. Thank you very much. Happy birthday again. Thank you. As always, we love you. I love you too. We'll talk you later.

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Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the P. H.H.L. Eagles podcast. Look who's here. Mr. E.J. Smith, and then you know what that means? EJ, it's time for What's Brewing presented by our friends at Wawa. Here we go. You have talked to the two consularies for Sean Mannion, the evil genius. Did they have any insight into, ooh, say something again?

The evil genius. What microphone are you using? I'm using the red mic. A lot of echo. We're getting here. Here. How's this? Is better?

Way better. Okay. All right. Well, the red mic might have to get retired after today. All right. Tell us if they had any insight into what makes Sean Marion so evil. Not what makes him so evil, but maybe what makes them so good in this first time opportunity as an offensive coordinator. By the way, I want to address the less need and Howie Rosen of it all at some point.

That's what Friday shows. I'm just watching Fran again. That guy loves taking shots at me when I'm not on the show. Well, you're not on the show a lot, to be fair. I listen, I'm here pounding the pavement. I'm trying to provide insight to the listeners. I can defend my record here. All right, this is Ryan Mahaffey on Sean Mannion.

He said, first and foremost, I'd say Sean's got great character. He's a good person. He enjoys seeing other people have success, does a good job of establishing relationships with players, very detailed, players, very detail-oriented. He loves football. He absolutely loves football. It goes on to say he has a very unique background with his playing time, but his communication is what stands out.

His attention for detail, very patient. I think he's done a really nice job of articulating and distilling the offense, kind of his vision, and really empowering guys around him to go out there and try to get that vision executed. Okay. Pretty strong quote. And yet you don't think that he was the most flower. or a public speaker? No.

He seems like a very nice guy. I think he's got that coach speak gene. I would say Ryan Mahefee does. So I mean, I won't, I don't want to go too crazy with the direct quotes, because this is like me using my transcription service here. But the two things that stood out from Mahaffey's press conference to me, Zach Berman, our friend, asked him about.

Think yourself? our friend, I'll speak for both of us. The fact that the offensive line in particular and the run game is going to have a significant change and they've been doing something, they've been approaching it one way for so long. And now, you know, this coaching staff has to usher in a change in schematics, technique, all these things and how they're approaching that. The Haffey's answer is kind of a, you know, coach speak, I would say. He said it's early on.

I think some of that kind of happens organically as we're moving along. but our attention is just kind of being, how do we get our guys to be the best they possibly can right now? I think some of that will kind of naturally take care of itself as we move throughout training camp and into the off season. It's a nothing answer. Yeah. That's what I was alluding to.

It's like, you know, that doesn't really, it doesn't tell us much about how he's going to approach it. It's his prerogative to not tell us how he's going to approach it because, you know, maybe there's a competitive advantage to not providing that insight. He had another question that I asked him about the importance of like, you know, a two-way tight end, you know, having somebody like Dallas Goddard who has a reputation. I didn't want to get, you know, say that he's proven it, but, you know, in the last year or so, but has a reputation as being a guy who can do both and how I wanted to know how important

that was for the scheme. And his answer was mostly like, you know, that they're working on the fundamentals right now, you know, that's what they're working on. So, so, yeah, that was Mahaffey's press conference in a nutshell. So, but I do have to say, this seems like a nice guy. And I mean, as far as coaches go, he's a real Cam Latu. You know, a tight end, college tight end, converted the fullback in the NFL, you know, has a passion for run blocking and all the schematics behind that.

So I can appreciate that background as someone who has a real appreciation for the Cam Latu type. Don't you care more about him giving you good quotes? Yes, presently I do. Okay. All right. Tell us a little bit about the Grizz. I like the Grizz. I like the good.

Offensive coordinator, Josh Grisard, who appears to be from the outside end, the guy who could just replace Sean Mani and if Sean Manning gets a head coaching job. Yeah. I like Gris. You would have liked the Grizz. He's got a nice southern draw.

You know, it's a subtle one. It's not aggressive. Yeah. He's from Lizard Lick. Is that right? He's from Lizard Lick, which I think is in Missouri. I was going to say North Carolina.

but I could be wrong. I think you might be right. Yep, North Carolina. It's funny because he's wearing a hat and it had like, just a reminder, I've never been wrong. We don't have to get into this. Everybody's just more proof. You were right about that.

He was wearing this hat. It's like a white hat, perforated hat, and it's got like a logo on the front that looked like it could have been a state. And I'm wondering, like, what state is that? And shout out to my former colleague, Jeff Nyberg, who asked Josh Grazard after that our little scrum ends, like, what is that hat? It's Liberty Hill, I think a golf course in this area.

So a little anticlimactic. I thought it was going to be a lizard lick hat, which I would have been into. Don't know about Liberty Hill, but listen, my line's open. I liked Crizzard. I enjoyed his insight on a lot of things. The thing that jumped out to me that was just kind of like interesting is him talking about the origins of the scheme that they're running. You know, it was a question about, like,

all the branches of this tree and how different are the branches at this point? And I found it very, like, illuminating that he, that Josh Gazzard's basically like, I mean, when you look at a lot of these play sheets, like they all kind of trace back to the same few names. You know, you'll have these play sheets where, you know, whoever originally drew it,

the owner of the sheet that has been circulated throughout all these different coaching staffs across the NFL, a lot of them trace back to, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh, Mike McDaniel. So I found that, you know, I found that insightful and kind of like a cool look into like what coaches, you know, deal with every day where it's like, you know, these play sheets, these call sheets that they have, a lot of them do trace back to the same few originators. So we've seen different iterations, but again, a lot of the concepts are the same across these different schemes. And did you get the sense that when he was describing that that he thinks that Sean Mannion, you know, can, can create his own place.

I mean, I'm sure that they have their own spin on these things. You know, he was talking a lot about being, his job being to be like a resource to Sean Mania. You know, and it was actually, it was a good follow up to that, like whether or not it's weird for Josh Grisard to be here as someone who interviewed for the offensive coordinator job, like, you know, got passed over and then got offered to basically be a resource to the guy they hired. And I found I appreciated his answer basically being like, I wouldn't have taken the job if I thought that was going to be a problem, you know, which I think is fair. And I take him out his word there. The thing that he talked about that I found interesting is like his relationship with the players is mostly circulated around having multiple voices kind of preaching the same gospel on the field where it's like Sean Mannion could be working with the quarterbacks and Grisard's job on the field is to kind of. make sure he's somewhere else, you know, so he can answer questions somewhere else. And he actually mentioned Andy Dalton as someone who can also be that type of resource

where it's like if Mackay Lemon has a question working with the second team offense, like Andy Dalton can answer a lot of those questions because of his familiarity with schemes like the one that they're implementing. So yeah, it was an interesting because, you know, past game coordinator, as Vic would say, is like, you know, kind of a vague term. It's a vague position. So it was cool to hear some insight on what he expects that role to really look like. what it's looked like for him so far.

Not a bit of a quick. Oh, interesting. Oh, what's this? Well, two things. One, Josh Gersard and I have the same birthday. Oh. Number two. I think I'm worried about something here.

Okay. I think something that's be a... Let everyone know when your birthday is, by the last. Something might be... Well, people already know. The sickos already now. Something might be a foot here. And I'm going to tell you what it is after we close What's Brewing,

presented by Wala. Thank you to Wawa. Here's out. Here's what else is brewing. I think the mystique, the mystery of leaning into Josh Grizzard from Lizard lick. If you look at his page when he was a football player at Yale. Yeah.

Okay. Back in 2010. you know what his hometown was? Zebulon. It wasn't Lizard Lick. He rebranded. Marketing. He re-branded.

He thought that Lizard Lick was better marketing. Maybe that's an agent call, and his agent made a good call. How far is Zebulon from Lizard Lick? You're going to sell better as a prospect on coaching circles if you get to say that you're from Lizard Lick as opposed to Zebulon. Can the viewers see this how close these places are? Lizard Lick and Zebulon, yeah. Zebulon?

Yes, they're very close to each other. Okay. So is it possible that the college bio maker was just kind of like lazy that day? And it was like, ah, Zebulon. Like that's a bigger town people know about that. Oh, I don't think that this is on the college. I think this is on Josh Grizard himself. He's not telling a lie, but he has come to learn that lizard lick sells better

than Zebulon. Maybe. I mean, he's a smart guy. You mentioned he went to Yale. We got to put a stop in this. We got to stop this. Just because someone went to an Ivy League school does not mean they were smart or are smart.

Josh Guzart may very well be smart. Well, maybe not all Ivy League schools, but Princeton, I would class as you were smart if you go there and yell because my aunt went to my aunt went to Yale so we're going everyone that went to Yale is smart shout out to my my my angel's not true she's my godmother how dare you I'm not saying she's not smart I'm not I'm just saying you can't you can't take that on its own to be proof of intelligence okay I think that's fair but I just heard from the guy nice southern drawl seems like a smart guy yeah but but do you think he's leaning into the southern drawl

I'm a little worried that this is all posturing. It's just a humble offensive coordinator of servant, Josh Grazaw from Lizard Lick. Let me tell you how I can help you any way you can. Instead, and then behind closed doors, he's like, it's working. It's working. That keep promoting me. This is unbelievable. It's like I'm back in the press conference here and you do that impersonation.

I never want to take a job if I thought I was being. and set up to be a panza. Oh, man. Has it been a loopy Wednesday? No. It's just my presence here. Pretty much. Oh, man.

That's great. Lindsay said you sound like you're in Django. Somebody else for the chat said that as well. Oh, man. I'm glad I made it. Let's get to the other news of the day. and that is a I would say farcical award having been presented

EJ, go ahead. Are you talking about Olivia's award? Yes. Are you taking, well, Olivia, congratulations to my former colleague, friend of the show, Olivia Ryder of the Philadelphia Inquirer for winning the Therese Pailor Emerging Writer Award.

It's a PFWA Award, Pro Football Writers of America or Pro Football Writers Association. Either one. She won the award. It's a very prestigious award. And it is well deserved. Olivia, I said this on Twitter.

She embodies the professionalism, the hustle, and the thoroughness that every reporter should want to embody. So much well deserved. Congratulations to Olivia. Congratulations to Olivia. Completely undeserving. Because she's not emerging is what you're going to say. Correct. Yeah.

I mean, what are we doing? I think that's fair. Olivia Reiner deserves whatever words you want to give her. but emerging, she's been on the scene. They give it to young reporters, and she is young. She actually usurped me as youngest on the beat. So, congrats to Olivia. Well deserved.

We love Olivia. But, I mean, who are we kidding? Emerging. Yeah, I agree. She has already emerged. But shout out to the Reiner family. Shout out to Keith and Lori. I don't know if they'll watch this, but shout out to them.

I will go on. the record. Olivia Reiner does not deserve this award. She deserves an award. She's already great. Maybe they can rebrand it. She deserves other words. Mm-hmm. Shout out to that. It was fun to find that out in the media room and I'm sitting next to Olivia. And did she have heads up about it? I think she knew. Yeah, I think she was aware. She found out she found out the day that AJ got traded. So she found it a couple days ago. But yeah, it was fun. They held that for June 1 also. Yeah, they did. They were like, let's wait until 4 o'clock on June 1 to really. For cap reasons, they couldn't tell Olivia until June 1st. Yeah, they got to spread that between the two years. So yeah, but well-deserved for

Olivia. And we will talk, I will tell you one of the things Olivia said about the award in Lizard time. Oh, time. All right, go ahead. since it's over time. I was enjoying Olivia, like, dealing with people throwing her a party online is what I like to call it. Yeah. She put her phone on like, do not disturb, and then she felt bad about that. Like, oh, like, you know, people are congratulating it. But it's like, I totally get it.

And I get it because, you know, I have my own big announcement online where people are going to throw a party for you online. So, you know, I understand. This is me acknowledging on the podcast that my wife has pregnant. it. Oh. Did you have no idea? Wow. Yeah.

In true overtime fashion, you saved the sex news for overtime. It is, yes. Baby Smith on the way, October. Wow. I decided on the drive home last night. It's like, I'm overthinking this. Like, the sickos already know. Like, I might as well just acknowledge it and not worry about it.

Now we can talk about like, you know, just the light that is looming over you this summer. The life, oh, like, yes, in a good way. Like the new life, yes. I'm excited. E.J. Smith, getting it done inside and outside the studio. I think we need merch with that, getting it done in and out of the studio. That's fantastic. Yeah.

Congratulations. I'm not, yeah, SRG, I appreciate that. I'm not going to drop the registry. It's not going to happen. I appreciate it, but we'll be fine. We'll be all right. Yeah. Give it up in the chat.

We've got to throw the party here. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate it. Maybe overstate how many people saw that announcement. It's Instagram official, yeah. But I'm sure there will be some good dad talk in the months to come. And yeah, in season, it'll be fun. It'll be exciting. Man, what a world.

You didn't expect me to do that. It's fantastic. Yeah. Oh, the chat is fired up. You've got an LFG from Dinkleberg. Thank you, Dinkleberg. Appreciate that. Now, is Dinkleberg a name possibility?

Is it a baby name possibility? It is not. Julia also shot down Kem Latsu. She was not a fan of that one. Yeah. Yeah, I like Kim Latsu. It's gender neutral. It's good.

We'll see if I can get that one. You do not know boy or girl. We're not going to find out. We're going to be surprised. So it's going to be fun. I don't really have a horse in that race. I'm excited either way. Okay.

This is so exciting. Do you feel unburdened? I do. Keeping the secret was really difficult, as you know, because I didn't keep the secret. I told people. I mentioned it on the show. So, yeah, it's a relief to not need to keep the secret anymore.

I think that this is better. I'm glad I made this choice. Okay. yesterday like I was going to make it like thinly veiled and I was like I'm overthinking this I'm doing too much so it's been a relief weight lifted off about uh Kohler Charlie Kohler as a name I wouldn't name my baby after Charlie Kohler he needed to come to Philadelphia for that dream to be realized and Latu is the one about just Latu lot too is a nice thing Dinklberg with a super chat says I implore you to reconsider Dinklberg as a name for baby Smith

talk to Julia about this one. With how many with what three R's we're going to do it with three ours? Fran says the accident on the show from a couple weeks ago was very funny. Honestly, I was surprised I made it that long. CDP with the super chat has working with Bo prepared you for fatherhood. In ways, yes, I would say so. It'll test your patience, that's for sure. Yes, yes. Somebody who believes that everything that they do is correct. Maybe like it'll prepare me for like teenage years.

Correctly so. I mean, that's just someone who knows ball. Yeah, I should have been nice about that. Like just being around you, seeing the example that you said as a parent has been able to teach me about fatherhood. Someone who's willing to do the work to find out that John Dazzard has been lying. That accent, we need to clip that accent, Lindsay. That was really good. What a way to end it. Yeah, saved it for overtime. Fantastic.

Good stuff, E.J. That'll wrap it up for this episode of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. Like the video. Okay? I mean, you just got some big news. Like that news. How many like to Smith? Congratulate E.J. in the comments and give us your other name suggestions.

Oh, that's a fun idea. I like that. If this video gets 200 likes, then I'm not going to, you're not going to commit to it. Then one of the name suggestions from the comments, you have to at least suggest politely to Julia. Oh, yeah, I can do that.

Yeah, I like that. That's a good like goal. Maybe I'll make some content out of it, depending on how inappropriate the name is. We'll see. Yeah, I like that idea. Okay, yeah, I like that idea. But it's got to be one that was not already on your list.

Okay, so it can't be Bowulf. Correct. Pat Fenas Smith. My mother-in-law likes Pat Fianus, so she's a fan. She likes him, she mentions him. I think when we talked about this, she's like, oh, Pat Fenas is going to be so excited to hear the news. That's how you know she's a real thing. sicko. All right. Oh, she is a sicko.

Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, Fran. Thank you, E.J. Back tomorrow, 2 o'clock, E.J. myself and the great day news will be joining us. The professor, fantastic. Looking forward to that for all of us here at P.H.O. Thank you for watching. Comment below. Talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you.