PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Dallas Goedert’s No. 1 fan explains why he’s THE KEY to the Eagles’ offense taking a leap in 2025

Episode Date: May 16, 2025

Dallas Goedert is back in Philadelphia to help spearhead the Eagles’ offense and that means Deniz Selman can tell us why Goedert, not Saquon Barkley, was the key to the Eagles’ success in the running game last year. After a flirtation with moving on from Goedert, Howie Roseman brought back the big fella, with Grant Calcaterra, Harrison Bryant and Kylen Granson now joining E.J. Jenkins in a suddenly deep tight end room. Join Deniz, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf for a roundtable session of Tic-Zach-Bo. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

the PHLY Eagles podcast and those episode details presented by the good folks at True Mark Financial. Join the chat. Get in there. Hop around and hang out with us. The professor, Daniel Selman, Zach Berman, our Eagles insider and me, Bo Wolf. We look forward to a nice conversation. How are you guys doing? I'm doing great. I always love when Professor Selman's here. I actually begin my third semester or third summer teaching at Carter State next week. So I am hoping to get some intelligence to Rosmosis here. Now, Professor, this has been a week in which you've had a bit of a taste of our lives. This is your third Eagles podcast this week. How are you holding up?

I always say, I don't know how you guys do it. And I don't know how you do it. I mean, it's a grind, you know, but you know how it is. Zach, do we feel like he has betrayed us? How do we feel about his, you know, his dalliances with other podcasts? As he stepped outside our arrangement. Look, anytime you talk to you. Is this an open podcast?

Anytime you can talk to Shield, you should. Shield's great to speak with. I thought his analogy was interesting was about the deadbeat father and the mother who has custody. Yeah, so do you guys say custody? Yeah, so, no, I'm thrilled to have him here.

I actually take no on Bridge at all. I think it's nice. It's good for you to get out there. I do have one thing to hold your feet to the fire on, however. Uh-oh. For the record, once and for all, I need you to decide.

Bet 365 or a different? sports book we need to stamp I only mention you know one on each each show at 365 it is you heard it there first yeah okay

the conceit of today's show you have talked about I will say shield did not ask me to watch nine safeties worth of film before I came on you know so there there are no I'm just saying

yeah I didn't ask you to do that either we're providing that that type of you know like if you really want to know what's what's going on You know, I was listening to Talk Radio and they were acting like the Eagle schedule was like a result of them winning, you know, that like yesterday. The NFL screwed them or I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Wednesday.

I did not understand that. And I was like, listen to Professor Soman who told you this is the hardest schedule they've had going into the schedule release. What do you think the overlap is of people who listen to Danez and people who listen to those shows? Well, good question. But speaking of overlap, I think it's awesome when you guys are on Shields show and when people from that show are on here, Like as a kid, my favorite thing was like crossovers on TV shows. You know, like when characters from one sitcom would appear on another. That kind of thing.

So, yeah, I think the more the better. To me, it's just talking birds with friends. Especially given just how many shows there are. Oh, shows. Yeah, there are. And that's why we've got the return of our old friend, the Tick-Zack bow. And we're doing a little bit differently today. Usually, this is Zach setting things up for me.

But we've combined here. We've got a bow category, a Zach category, and then just sort of a general NFL schedule slash leave. Rules category. And on the other side, we've got predict, would you rather convince me, the old classic categories that Zach has handed down. And so... And just so the audience knows, no one told me anything. So like I'm completely unprepared for this. Absolutely. We all are. That'll make it fun. And so I'll tell you what, I'm going to start with you. I'm going to tell you where we're starting. And that is because I want to do a little bit of the news up top. And so we're

going to do this, the Schedule League Rules predict. And, Professor, I want you to tell me, predict what will happen at the next round of owners meetings with the new proposed rule changes. I think. So there's the, there's the tush push, and then there's the playoff receding stuff.

Right. So the news today from Albert Breer was that, I think I'm citing that correctly, that Breyer, I believe it's. As the French gullum, yes. I think he said that they're not changing the wording of the, Very interesting. Proposal at all?

Yes. They're keeping it the same. Very interesting. Now, let me remind everybody that at the last owner's meeting, the original wording was widely thought to be too specific to the Eagles, and hence a kind of transparently

sore loser proposal, to be honest, that seemed to be why it didn't have the votes. They specifically said publicly that they would change the wording to get it to pass and are now not changing the wording. I, personally, obviously, I don't have any sources, I read this to mean that they did, didn't get the votes even with different wording and don't want to look like they failed two

different ways on this and that they're not, that it's not going to pass. So I think that it is not going to pass. I think if they had changed the wording in a meaningful way, that would have meant that they changed it because they knew it would get the 24 votes required. There was reporting that there were only about 16 votes to ban it in a straw poll at the last owner's meeting. So that would require eight of the 16 teams that didn't vote for it. to now vote for it. Right. One of those teams is the Eagles.

They're like three or four others that seem to be strong nose before. I just don't think they have the votes. I think that's why they're not really going to try to ban it now. What do you think, Zach? It's an interesting way of thinking about it. I tend to view it in kind of knowing the league that if they don't think they have the votes, they wouldn't even bring it to voting. Right.

But perhaps they feel as if it needs to be voted upon. I don't have a good read on it. Why don't they change the word? I left Palm Beach or West Palm Beach thinking that this was going to be changed in May. So the fact that the wording hasn't changed is a wrinkle that I did not expect. Yeah, the one thing that was in that report was something that was discussed before. There was a ban against all pushing until 2004. The reason they got rid of it is because they were having trouble officiating it down the field

because there'd be like a pile and they didn't want to throw the flag on like minor things and so they just got rid of the rule completely. I think changing the wording to involve down the field would have brought back that issue and so that's why they're not changing it

but they said they were going to change it and they're not. So they could have made it so that it was just around the line of scrimmage without being specific to the quarterback being lined up under center and all that like basically describing the Eagles play. Right. And they didn't

but they're not even doing that. They could have said like within a yard of the line of scrimmage no pushing or something. That would have gotten rid of the down the field problem, and they're not even doing that. So it almost seems to me like they're giving up. But again, like Zach said, why wouldn't they just say? Yeah, it's table it entirely. This could also be the bow theory from, or not the bow theory, but the bow explanation back from March,

if they just push it back the next year, they have a whole other year to talk about like push push or, you know, instead of, you know, how they canceled or they delayed or postponed how everyone to frame it, Like their accelerator, you know, make it all like tush push, push, push, it's the only thing that anybody's talking about. Now, I hate bringing this up, but I have to ask you guys, do you think this has anything to do with the guy at the White House saying that he hopes they keep it? No. All right.

I mean, we know the league, you know, works a certain way. I'm just curious. I don't think it does either. I actually think about that. Yeah. No, I. That's one thing that's changed since the last owner's meeting. we know what side pose on

I don't know that you do no you're on the side of keeping the push maybe not anymore that was that was supposed to be the joke Bob stopped clock all right

yeah way to grind the show to a screeching home all right what about the proposal about the the potential reseating what do you make of this as a man who

loves these possibilities I mean I think it was in March that I like texted you like frantically saying I want to be on the show to talk about basically this proposal. I love this proposal by the Detroit Lions to not give the four division winners the top four seeds automatically.

Their initial proposal for whatever reason did not involve reseeding in the second round, which I didn't even notice at the time. They changed it so they're now would be reseeding. There already is reseeding in the NFL. So for some reason, like they would have been getting rid of it. They just forgot to check that box. Yeah, they would have been getting rid of the reseeding for some

and making it more like the NBA. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so the proposal now, as it's going to be reworded, is to give all division winners an automatic playoff spot, but not to give them anything in terms of seating other than a automatic tiebreaker win. So if there's a division winner and a non-division winner with the same record, the division winner gets the higher seed,

even if they lost head to head to the other team. Yeah, so at least it means something, right? Yeah. And then beyond that, you just seed them one through seven based on record, using the existing tiebreaker rules for all the other, you know, once, if it's two division winners or two non-division winners, using the existing tie-breaking rules and then reseeding in the second round as well. I talked at length in March about why this is a good idea. One of the reasons is because of the fact that you can get something like the Eagles

having to play the Packers last year, Washington, a team that lost the Eagles division got to play an easier team in Tampa Bay. Like, I mean, the fact that Tampa Bay was seated ahead of Green Bay was because of this rule. And it makes it, it punishes other teams. Like, you end up punishing teams that earn the right to play a worse team. And they're playing a team that has a low seat, even though their record isn't that bad. So that was one reason. And then the other reason, and this is, I think the best thing that came out of Albert Brewer's report about this today was his report included specific examples of something I talked about in March, which is that teams rest their starters down the stretch because they're

locked into a seed. So the Eagles were locked into the two seed and rested everybody week 18. They would have been playing for the two seed under the current rules. The Vikings could have passed them for the two seed. And so that's one example. You have Houston was locked into the four seed with like a month left. I mean they're like like like actually with two weeks left and in practice like with even more. And then the Rams, McFay doesn't seem to care about seating. But he would have cared if he could have fallen all the way down to seven. Yeah. Like he could have fallen all the way down to seven when you knew it was either going to be the three or the four. He arrested everybody and was willing to fall down to four.

He meant he still got a home game and all that. If he could have gone all the way down to seven, I don't know if he would have done that. You know, like, is that, that would have meant from coming to Philly, like, in the wild. From the league's perspective, this is probably a change worth making more for the entertainment value in week 17 and 18

than it is even for the playoffs. Exactly. And I think that just like the way that I'm guessing that story is written by Albert Breer is like he knows it's on the owner's radar that the week 17 and week 18 importance of games is being compromised by the current system. So even though they like rewarding

the division winners and having the division mean something, I think the fact that their own games are being kind of like spoiled by this is going to possibly make them it does also. It feels a little bit late. It feels a little late in the game to put it into effect for this season. I agree. So it might not pass this season. I think it's going to pass eventually. And be like this will go into effect

next year? Maybe. But does it change anything for the way a team might be? operates. Like to me, this is a fine time to institute it. What's the difference between doing it? It dramatically changes the stakes for teams like, you know, like Houston, for example, a team in a bad division. Sure. That's so used to being the four seed and getting the home getting that Saturday 430 home game. It's like the annual start of the playoffs in Houston. I'm just saying for the timing. For them, it's going to be a very different kind of season now. It's like they're going to have to actually earn a home game. No, I'm just saying if you made a substantive roster change,

you don't want to do it in May because teams have, you know, it factors into the way teams build their roster. I don't think this changes the way a team would have built their teams. I have no issue with doing it. I agree with you that it doesn't functionally change the way the team should go about things. It just feels like from the, from a operating at a business standpoint, like the season has already started essentially and now you're changing midway. It feels just a little happenstance.

I don't know. Yeah, it's also strange. that like it was proposed in March and it didn't pass there. I didn't not realize it was, it was widely reported that they would be voting on the, the push again.

This was not reported. Yeah. So the way this works is that in February at the Combine, there's the first meeting, the competition committee meets. And that's the first meeting of potential changes. The league meetings in March is the big,

that's when everyone's together. And owners and coaches have formal discussions about it. it. It's not a typical for something to then be pushed to May, which is the next point when, when things, when, um, when the owners get together. So this would be the time to do it. Then I think the next big kind of meeting that owners have is in October. So after this, there's nothing that, you know, functionally changes the, the 2025 season. I don't object to this because I still think there's incentive for winning the division, which is you get the automatic playoff seed right so right you get into the playoff you get into the playoff you get the tie

right exactly but you don't get the home game you don't get the seat right yeah I agree I'm a pass sack I haven't spoken anyone about this specifically but um it certainly sounds the way Breer is reporting it that this is I think the fact that's going to vote means it's going to happen okay that would be great I mean this also requires 24 votes right yes yeah I don't I mean I think I think it would be great I've been calling for this for years I mean, I would be very pleasantly surprised if this happens. Okay, so let's take as fact now that you have a direct line to Roger Goodell. Okay.

Give him one other actionable piece of advice that he can take. Does it have to be about the schedule or anything you want? You're really putting me on the spot. I'm going to waste it on something stupid. This is like... This is it. Roger, we've got you for 65 more seconds. Oh, man. And you are honor bound to do whatever it is.

Danes tells you in a second. Oh, man. Introducing my crazy, like, IPL format, like double elimination for the top seats playoffs? Or do I waste it on something like just having the AFC games on Saturday and the NFC on Sunday in week 18? That is easy. That is easy for you. I thought you could also just tell him to retire. Well, I don't know who would come after him.

I mean, I'm not expecting. Well, now that you have a direct line. Oh, yeah. I see. I see, yeah. Retire and appoint, you know, and then pick somebody who I think would do a good job. Yeah, no.

I'm going to waste them on the Saturday and Sunday thing. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that just bothers me so much that they don't do that because it's so easy. And that is if you are new, week 18, just have all the one conference games on Saturday, all of the other conference games on Sunday. It takes away the possibility of things,

playing meaningless games, and also you set things up for the playoffs. Yeah, and also, you know, Now that we're talking about this rule change of the division seating thing, this might be a good time to stop having the last week be all division games. I feel like we'll get to it when we get to the Eagles schedule, but I think it limits them in ways that create weird scheduling at the end, like the Eagles playing Washington twice in the last three weeks, is partially because of the rule that they have to play a division game in the last week. And I think that if the divisions aren't going to be the only thing that matters near the end, like you're going to have more meaningful games in week 18. already with this rule change. And so you don't necessarily need them

to be division games. And we've seen so many like Eagles Dallas games wasted in the last decade or so where one of the teams or both of the teams were playing meaningless games, maybe it would be better to have that last game be not a division game. You also have division championships though,

like de facto division championships because of that schedule. Yeah, it's high upside and it's like high ceiling low floor. And I don't know if that's necessarily the best way to go in week 18. but it can be debated, yeah. All right, let's take our first break here, and then we'll get back to it.

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We can all squeeze. And that is a good reminder. Thank you for the invitation, Jack, that if you want to go to, the Green Bay game with the PHLY crew in with Philly Sports Trips, go to all pHLY.com slash P-ST fan sweeps and enter yourself into the sweepstakes to get two tickets to the game. You get on the plane. Now we're flying from Philadelphia. That is the deal.

And you get to hang with Zach. What could be better than that? Watch the birds, yell at Mark Murphy. Stay at Jack's place? Yeah, Jack. I appreciate that offer. with those sports trips so um i will not be at the royer resonance but uh i love a wisconsin i would avoid the milkshakes um the day of games uh not the day before games but um i would love to see that

that wisconsin washington game see jet fish coach on the sideline uh against luke fickle that's a big time coaching matchup right there huge yes yeah you don't get tights like that every day squaring off big year for luke vickle yeah as jack Royer knows. He's going to have to turn it around. He hasn't had the effect at Wisconsin that they expected. They thought it was going to be a force multiplier. They did think he was going to be a force multiplier and that has not happened. He's no JJ McCarthy. Well, not yet at least, but we'll see. Okay. All right, uh, professor, Bo. Bow's category, Zach's category, schedule league rules. Would you rather convince me, predict? Where do you want to go? Uh, I'll do Zach. Would you rather?

Would you rather? Okay. So this one goes back to our depth chart show on Monday. And this is for you and Bo. If one of these players were to get an injury, let's say six weeks, eight weeks, 10 weeks, so an injury for a sizable period of time, right? Not something that like alters their career, but sizable period of time this year. Would you rather play without Sequin Barclay or play without A.J. Brown? Sorry. I'll listen to J. Brown. Play without Seekwan Berkeley or play without A.J. Brown. So you're considering. considering the way the offense functions, you're considering the depth chart. Which one do you think the Eagles would survive their absence better with? This is a real question? Maybe we should have cross-checked our questions ahead of time. Go ahead. Yeah, I'd rather play without Sequin Barclay.

I think, I mean, it would be nice to have them both, but I think A.J. Brown is significantly more valuable to the offense than Seguan-Barkly is. And so, yeah, I mean, I think I've already said everything about running backs and how running backs are mostly a product of how good the rest of the offense is. Dallas Goddard is re-signed. You know, the run game should be fine. Really playing the hits here. But, yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, this one, I don't think is particularly close.

I also feel personally, you know, this week, you know, I don't know, am I allowed to say? Go ahead. Yeah. You know, Bo initially asked me to come in on Wednesday. I said, okay. I cleared out my busy schedule. That part's a joke. My schedule's not busy this week.

And then I was told that Sequin Barclay is coming to the studio to film with the exciting whites. Like, obviously, the two cannot be in the same place at the same time. Well, I mean, yeah, not only, and I was uninvited to come in. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, yeah, I think, I think the team could survive without Seekwine. How do you feel about Will Shipley? We've literally the best rushing offense in the NFL in 2022 with Miles Sanders. And now do you feel Will Shipley is at the level of the Andre Swift, Miles Sanders?

Or do you think there's enough of a drop off there that would be concerning? Yeah, it's a good question. I mean, I think the real, I guess the question would be like, is he going to be at the level of Kenny Gainwell last year? Right? And what do you guys think? I think he's going to be better than than Gainwell. Yeah, but I do think the drop off from, I think,

Jahan Dodson is a starting caliber receiver in the league. Based on what? Based on Washington as a rookie. I thought he showed some promise there now. We're three years removed from that. And it did not look good last year. Although I will say when he was featured more, I thought week 18, he played well against a bad Giants defense,

but he played well. He looked like, you know, there were other receivers on the Eagles who did not look like they belonged on the field. Or it did not look like they were starting caliber players that day. Jehan Dotson did. I saw Jahan Dotson. You would hope so. Yes.

What do you think the over-under would be if Sequin Barclay actually misses a game on Avery Williams' offensive snaps? I feel like Nick was so excited by that, that he has to, that he would have to have some sort of package for him. No, I think it'd be Shipley doing. I think it'd be Shipley doing. But also, I am curious if they would run the same offense if Barclay's not there or if they, turned to what they were, you know, and they were a much more pass-heavy approach. Like, I am curious how much of the way they played last year was because of how spectacular Sequin is and was, or was and is.

I'm trying to look at some, to pull up some Johan Thompson numbers and I will get back. Yeah, last year's not a good indication. I'm pretty curious if they're going to run the ball less this year anyway, just because, I mean, Sequin Barkley had so many touches over 21 games last year that, part and and they extended him right so it's not like the uh this is the last year let's just use him for all he's worth it's going to be a little bit i think they'll be a little bit more economic in the way they they use saiquan this year so in your stack rank of the importance of offensive players how far down would sayquan be for you um yeah we did this earlier i'm gonna give you my would you

rather too okay part of the same conversation okay yeah yeah and that is dallas i'm just i i talk about playing the hits dallas goddard or sakemone barclay for the full season who would you rather have. Man. Pretty big downgrades for both down the depth chart. Very, very comparable downgrades, in fact. Man, that's really hard for me. It's like a coin flip, honestly.

Really? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the Eagles showed you with their actions. I mean, I know I'm in the minority on this one, but yeah, for me, it's a coin flip. I think, I just think like we've seen the run game be awesome with other running backs. Whereas with Dallas got it out, you're getting rid of one of your top three

pass catchers and you're getting rid of your best run game blocker. It's hurting the passing game and the running game. Losing Sequin would also hurt the passing game some as well. It's a coin flip. If you held a water gun to my head, I'd probably say I'd rather have Sequan. But it's very close. Yeah, the Eagles essentially gave Seekwan

what a $7 million year raise and they gave Goder $4 million pay cut. I should ask, do I get the other one healthy for sure the whole year? Well, that's the thing.

Because if you do have to bake in Dallas. Yeah, if I'm baking in that Dallas is going to get hurt anyway, then yeah, I definitely rather have Sequan. But if one is guaranteed to be healthy the whole time, it's very close. Probably still go Seekwan, but it's very close.

Closer for me than it is for most people. Okay, so over the last three years, since John Dotson entered the NFL. So he's been in the NFL. NFL for three years. There have been 63 wide receivers in the NFL who have run at least a thousand routes. Okay, 63. Of those, Jahan Dotson in yards per route run ranks 62. One spot ahead of Van Jefferson, one spot behind KJ. Now can you take out last year? I can take out last year. Yeah. I'm curious what he was if he take out last year. Just because last, I don't know this. I mean,

we're doing this impromptu. We talked about at the time. Last year's a big part of that. I'm sorry, last year was such an outlier in terms of his production. I mean, we can cherry pick it however you want. It's still not going to look good. Yeah, the first two years of his career, just the first two years of his career, 65th of 72. Okay. So not much better.

Yeah, so it's still not good. He's four spots behind Alameda Zakias. Fair enough. In just those two years. So, like, I get the upside of what we saw in the Super Bowl, and this is a guy with first-round pedigree, but at no point in his career has he looked like a difference maker on offense.

Oh, I agree. Now he's not a difference maker, but I think he's a top three receiver in the league. So, like, if the team starts three receivers, I think he deserves a top of 96 receiver in the league. That's a starting receiver. I mean, that's an incredibly low bar. And even that, I'm not so sure that he hits.

Just the way the third receiver is used in this offense, it's hard to tell, like, if the coaches are just okay, with that. You know, like, it's like, they were okay with Kwez Watkins just clearing out on those, you know, running a go route to clear out and they were okay with John Dotson. And this is still part of the same. Is it the offense? Is it Jalen? Like, does Jailen just want to funnel his targets to the top three guys? Yeah. Interestingly, I mean, Jalen is famous for not throwing across the middle of the fields. And yet Jahan Dotson lines up on the outside and never gets thrown to. I think it's, you know, when you, when you guys were talking when it seemed like Dallas Goddard might be leaving about, well, maybe they're going to be. make it more of a three wide receiver offense rather than throwing to the tight end. I was just thinking that whole time, like the way this offense is shaped with the run game being first and with

the RPO's and the tight end being in certain parts of the field, that that is not likely. Like, it's not likely for them to have three receivers who are actually all in the progression. You know what I mean? Like that just hasn't been the offense. And so because it's the passing game coordinators coming back as the O.C., I don't expect Jahan Dotson to be like a bigger part of the offense this either when AJ and and Smitty are healthy. So rank where he is among third receivers in the NFC East and these are the options.

Jalen Tolbert? I'm sorry, it's Wendell Robinson and Noah Brown and then Jehan Dodson. Robinson's like the ultimate like he catches a lot of balls but they're all for like four yards. Is that better? I don't think that's better. Would you rather have that guy?

I don't know. I think the answer is that there is no difference between those guys. And you're talking about a player who you traded a third round pick for. And you got a fifth back, so a fourth round. Okay. Let's throw a parade for that. That's very exciting. I'm just being factual here.

There's no difference. There's no real difference between those guys. I don't think that the Eagles offense would look any different next year. Really like when it comes down to it, if Jahan Dotson is taking all the reps or if Johnny Wilson is taking all the reps. Interesting. Okay. To put the fifth in perspective.

to Howie that's worth moving up from 32 to 31. Absolutely. Right? Yeah. Okay. I hope I'm wrong about John Dotson. He's a nice guy. He's a fun player to watch.

The catch in the Super Bowl was awesome. In three years, he has not looked like a player who is worth any kind of investment. Well, the Eagles didn't invest beyond this year for him. They didn't pick up the fifth year option, which we did not expect. He's entering a contract year. We'll see how it goes. Okay. I am a little bit distracted by just, and I didn't notice this the other day, the size of your computer.

This is a heavy. This is a heavy lap. Yeah. I always go with the big one because the old one was the same. I know, but there's a real thickness here. Yeah, the new MacBook pros are thick. They're heavy too. I don't love that.

But I don't have a setup where I hook it up to a different screen, like when I'm at work, for example. Okay. So that's why I just always go with the big stuff. Yeah, I like a big one too. I just, it's just, that thing is. It is, yeah, it's big. It's making me feel small. It's heavy. Out of curiosity, why the pro instead of the air?

Great, that question. Yeah, I debated the air, especially because the airs have gotten like a lot better and lighter. Especially the M4s now. Yeah. Yeah, I just find that I'd find myself buying a computer earlier if I got an error. You know what I mean? Because over time, they start to become too. slow. That is true. And I just thought I'd buy myself

a few extra years with the extra I mean it's extra cash now but yeah. Okay, it's a good answer. Also there's no error with that has the screen quite this size. No, the biggest error is a little bit smaller than this. 15 inches yeah. All right. Okay, now that we're done with the technology all day long. Yeah, now that we're done with the Apple ad.

All right, do you want to go you've got Bow and Zach predict. You've got the schedule league rules, would you rather? And you've got all three convince me. I'll do what was it sorry would you rather oh okay bow convince me Bo convince me okay convince me as someone who was watched as much of the defensive film as you have

of the three young players on defense who are jumping expected into bigger roles you've got Moroajima Jalex Hunt Healy Ringo who do you have the most faith in Ooh um definitely not Kili Ringo I'd put him third we just haven't seen the coaches trust

him enough and I haven't seen I mean matters much less what I've seen but I haven't seen him look consistently good in a way that I trust him either I would go with I think more a adjima is the has the highest floor yeah in that we've seen it already like he was getting significant snaps already last year I think he can step into that Milton Williams role and get as many snaps as what Milton Williams was. And, yeah, I mean, it wasn't by accident that Fangio was having him on the field on third downs, like early in the year, you know? Like, I know Milton Williams took over that later, but, yeah, so I'd go Ojima first

because of the floor. Maybe Jalek's hunt has the higher ceiling, though, just because of position and the splash that he can make, where he's coming from. I mean, he was a Cornell safety. How many years ago? Must be smart. Just crazy that he can go from that to, you know, getting sex on the, Super Bowl. So he does seem like a smart guy as well. But yeah, I'll go with. I think I agree with

that. I think there is more of a likelihood that Jailix Hunt becomes kind of a problem this year. You feel like he's not giving you enough? But I also feel like there's a better chance that two or three years from now, Jailix Hunt signs a Josh Schwett contract than there is that Moroajima signs a Milton Williams contract. Yeah, I agree with that. I'm also going to ask First obvious passing down of the season, who are the two Eddressers on the field in week one? No one Smith and Jalox Hunt. Okay, yeah, I agree.

You're going with Bryce Huff? No, no, I'm wondering about Jihad Campbell because you seem to think Jihad Campbell might have a rotation have a role. Or is he so Jolari? Ojolari over Hunt. Maybe Hunt's playing first and second down. Yeah, that's a good point.

I think that would be a bad sign for Hunt, right? in terms of how Campbell went. I mean, not if he's starting and playing first and second down. I don't know. Okay. I'm just not convinced, you know, Jahad Campbell's going to be like totally ready week one to be everything to them. There's also no...

Healthwise. There's also no obvious second inside linebacker to play there if Jahad Campbell is like actually going to be moved to the end. I do have a shout out to give to some sickos, DFOPs, Carly and Chris. on the birth of baby Finn. Congratulations. Shout out to them.

Daniel Gallen given the shout out. Defop. So congratulations. Welcome to the world, baby Finn. What do you think of with Finn? Is there a Finn, you know? Shark Finn. Okay.

How about you? In the West Wing, there was a baby named Finn. So I always think is... Is that like a Scandinavian name? What is Finn? No, it's a, it's a newly popular name. Okay. Yeah.

I have a friend who has a baby fan. Yeah, a good buddy from college as a nephew is named Finn. But I never asked, like, you know, what the reason is. There you go. Okay. Bo, Zach, predict. Convince me NFL and Zach? Or would you rather NFL?

Okay, let's do the NFL. Would you rather? Okay. Would you rather? have the Eagles roster and coaching staff, but the Washington commanders front office and ownership. Oh, man. Or the Eagles front office and ownership,

but the Washington commanders roster and coaches. Good question. I think that looking at it beyond like two years maybe, I think it's easily I'd rather have the Eagles ownership, right? Because that's what really makes the difference over the span of a long period, when you look at the roster and you look at the coaching staff, I mean, this ownership with this front office

went from a completely different roster and different coaching staff in 2017 to five years later with completely different people getting back to the Super Bowl, two years after that winning the Super Bowl. So I'd rather have the ownership and the front office with the understanding that they would clean out the rest of the stuff and fix all the mistakes the way they did after Chip Kelly

messed up the roster, for example. and you would never have to root for Sequin again. They might be able to get Sequan from Washington if they're flipping, you know, yeah. But there's no guarantee there's going to be a world in two years or so. So maybe you just lock in now. That's the thing.

Yeah, that's the thing. If it's just for this season, I would rather have the roster and the coaching staff because it's already in their hands. But if the world is going to go beyond... Well, what better are you going to make? Yeah, how many years more do we have on the world? That's up to you.

Oh, it's up to me. I see. Yeah. Well, right now it's not looking good. But yeah, I don't. I don't. You feel good enough about the state of the world that you would take the front office. Yeah, if the world's going to last more than five years, I'd probably rather have the ownership.

Though the owner is getting older. And this is a show for a different time, but I'm not sure how confident I am in the next generation of the Lurie family. So we'll see how that looks. Wow. That's a good. That's a good, um, uh, I've never met the guy. Okay. I, I, I've seen him eating breakfast, uh, in a diner once.

Um, beyond that, beyond that, I, beyond that, I've never, you know, interacted with him in any way. So it's not fair for me to say this. I think it's hearts in the right place. I think he's, he's genuinely trying to, um, like, like learn this and do this well. And I don't know how he's going to do. But I, I think there are examples of franchises where the, like, the success. session plan is someone who just comes in and has never done it and like is operating it essentially the way you know you would have finished football roster right and I do think that there is

a well-conceived plan in place for him to learn the operation here now I can't tell you that that pretends to you know that it's going to work out but I you know I think that they have an idea of how they're going to try to do this so we'll see let's hope you have the same answer Zach well I would Probably, you know, because I don't think the Washington roster is that bad. Like, you have a franchise quarterback that you can build around, which is the hardest thing to find. And there are some other pieces there. So I would probably go with that just because the shelf life of an NFL roster tends to be like two, three years, right? And so I think the Eagles have the best roster in the NFL.

But between contracts and injuries and age, that changes pretty quickly. So I would probably rather, in anything, like, I think having the longest view in the room is an advantageous position. Do you think that how much do you think, what do you think Howie would give up to trade Jalen Hertz for Jaden Daniels? Like would he take, you know, would he trade Jalen Hertz and Sequin Barkley for Jaden Daniels and whoever they're running back is and Brian Robinson?

Is he taking the cap it with it? No, just in general. Just in general. Okay, so, well, then, yeah, I mean, I think he would because you don't just get Jaden Daniels, but then that alleviates some of your cash concerns for the next, like, two, three years. And now you can, all these, like, young ascending defensive players, you sign them while Jaden Daniels is still on his rookie deal. So, yeah, I think he would. Let's take the contracts.

Take contracts out of it. He would rather have Jaden Daniels and Jalen Hertz. I actually don't know. I mean, Jain and Daniels was not a slam dunk prospect in this. He was awesome last year. He was awesome. And this last year at LSU. I think that he'd probably go with with Jellon and Saquine.

I could be wrong there. But you can't dismiss the contract. And that's a big part of Jaden Daniels. Like Washington, I like what Washington did this offseason in the sense that they're taking advantage of this window. They acquired high-price players for this window that they're in with Jaden Daniels.

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And I remembered Jamie Lynch told me you should watch the Conan O'Brien special. Or the Conan O'Brien. He won the Mark Twain Award at the Kennedy Center. And so I turn it on and it's hilarious. Like John Mullaney kills me. He's awesome, right? And it gets to, I hope I'm pronouncing it correctly, Kumal Anjanji. And he was terrific on it.

He did like a TED Talks type thing for, it was a, and I bring this up because I didn't mention him yesterday, but he is at Park's Casino on June 20th. So I should have mentioned him. But that was a great special last night. And I would, I mean, he had me captivated. Like, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, it was, it was, it was, it was, I was, it was, she was not happy about that, no. So, um, so anyways. But here's the thing about that, yeah, this is why you should not feel bad about that.

Because did you, like, all the people loved it. It's like, it's, like, that's, that's, that's, that's the fun. Not only that, but if you're up, if, if, if, if I was a parks casino rep, I would say, people are going to be talking about the parks casino ad read. That's good advertising. How else are they going to remember? If you read it like a robot, people would just fast forward through it. I know people who say that this is one of the only podcasts where they don't skip through

the ads because the ad reads are actually interesting. So you should not feel bad about anything that becomes a story. I appreciate that. I just try to maintain my professionalism. That's for the betterment. Okay. Fair enough. Professor, you've got predict for Bowenzac and convince me for NFL and Z.

Zach. Okay, I'll do convince me NFL. Okay. This can be the repository for any leftover schedule thoughts you have, but they convince me here is convince me why the Bills game in week 17 might not matter at all. Yeah, so

this is something that comes up whenever we're doing whenever I'm doing my playoff tiebreakers with a couple weeks left in the season. There are certain games that are more likely to matter because of the fact that matter in tiebreakers. So obviously if you're racing against a different team for a certain seed, the head-to-head games matter the most. If you're in a division race, the division games

matter second most. The thing that matters next after that if you're in a division race is common opponents. So the three uncommon games that teams have are the three games that are least likely to matter because winning one of those games might mean you get an extra win, but you then lose the tiebreaker because you won that one instead of winning a common game, right? The next thing is conference games. That Buffalo game in week 17 on paper, theoretically, is the least important game on the Eagle schedule because it is an AFC game,

which means it will not be a part of the NFC tiebreaker against non-division teams, and it won't be a part of the NFC tiebreaker against division teams. It's also an uncommon game because it's that 17th game. None of the other teams in the NFC East are playing Buffalo. And so it's also not important in the division race. So it is the one game.

of the year that if you were to say like, you know, forget like what it would mean in terms of prestige, national, you know, all that. If you were to say right now, Eagles have to lose a game, which one should it be? That game is the one that mathematically would hurt them the least to lose. Okay. Putting that in week 17 means there's a scenario where with two weeks left, it could already be mathematically determined that the week 18 game against Washington is for the division, regardless of what happens in that Buffalo game. Right. So they could actually go into the game, knowing that they can rest players. It's actually very similar to what happened to Detroit last year

when they played San Francisco and then they had Minnesota after. That San Francisco game was already known to not mean anything because if they had won it, they were going to lose the tiebreaker and if they lost it, they were going to win the tiebreaker. And so it just didn't matter. Something similar, even more like that was an NFC game and it was still that way. It's even more likely to be that way with Buffalo. And it's not just Buffalo.

It's also, if you look at the Eagle's schedule, the games against the Chargers and the Raiders are also weeks 14 and 15. So having all of those AFC games late is going to set up a scenario where there's going to be like a huge... There's going to be a huge imbalance in which games matter

and which ones don't to the Eagles because those AFC games they matter for the within division tiebreaker for common opponents, but they don't matter if you're racing against the different team for the one seed, for example. Right. And so we could have a scenario where all my playoff scenarios are like

if the Eagles lose, it's better to lose these games and you're going to have a lot of those games late. Okay. What other leftover thoughts do you have? Anything else? Well, we talked about how the Washington games are, you know, week 16 and 18. You guys, I think you guys already talked about

all the reasons that that's so stupid. Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah. It's just taking an obviously high profile matchup and then taking a massive risk that it's still going to be high profile by week 16 where their teams are going to be healthy playing for something, good.

Like, I mean, it's just such a big risk. From an entertainment standpoint, it's dumb. It's a bad bet to make. It's also from a fairness standpoint, it's so stupid to stack these games in two and three weeks. Yeah, I agree. I like your point that the division. Every division game should be split up.

Every division game. All division games in the NFL, there should be one game in the first half of the season and one game in the second half of the season. Yeah, I look back as far as 2008, which is when they started putting only division games in the last week. Yeah. And this will be the fourth and fifth time. that the Eagles have the same opponent twice in a three-game stretch

because it's the Giants and Washington this year. The other times, 2014, they played Dallas, weeks 13 and 15. That was the late Chip Kelly collapse. So they won the first one and then they lost the second. 2021 with Washington was Weeks 15 and 17. The last four were all in division that year. 2023 Giants were 16 and 18, and then it's going to be twice this year.

I think that this, Washington, by the way, finishes with four straight division games this year. It's not just the two against the Eagles. They also play Dallas and the Giants. It's so weird when the Eagles are only playing three out of five in the AFC in the final five games. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's just been more of this recently where they have a team not play one of the teams in their division until very late or just finished with a bunch of division games.

Yeah, I agree that there's no reason to make it as asymmetric as they have. It should be a consideration just as much as the Billy Joel concert is a consideration, right? Like you should be mindful of this. And it seems like the Billy Joel, the Billy Joel concert. The Billy Joel concert is something the league can't control, whereas this, I feel like they're creating a constraint on themselves by having it this way.

What's your favorite Billy Joel song, Zach? I mean, it's a cliche to say piano man. No, I would go with the one, I would go with that, we didn't start the fire. That's a fun one, yeah. That's a fun one. Some historical references. I always like history and, you know, it's good lyrics and that.

Okay. Historical. Talks about Joe DiMaggio. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Beautiful. All right, Zach, I mean, uh, professor, you've got predict with Bow and Zach and

convince me from Zach. All right. I'll do, I have two Zach and one bow left. So right? Okay. I'll do, uh, predict Zach. Predict. Okay.

So this actually goes back to the rule question one. Um, predict, will the eagle short yardage percentage be better or worse next year than it was this past season. Define short yardage. So one yard, so, so one yard to go for the goal line and, and for a first down. One yard to go, I think it'll be better. It was actually a little bit worse last year than the year before.

It was 69% last year. Right. 69%. And that includes the times where they didn't get it and then they got it again on the next one. Yeah, yeah. I think it'll be better. I think that they know that they, there were certain things like the sneak wasn't working quite as well.

I think they're going to try to have more variations off it. I think the fact that they think it might be banned has already made them work on it some. It was actually 66.7%. And was that only on third and fourth down? No, this was with just any time they had zero to one yards ago. Oh, okay. So that includes passing plays when it's like second and one.

Which they don't do enough, by the way. Yeah. Like they often just try to get the first down, which is a little bit frustrating. I think it'll be a little bit better. Yeah, I also don't think the thing's going to get banned. But even if it did my, it's my position that they would have similar success on the quarterback sneak, which Ellen Hertz behind. I agree. Yeah.

Where did that rank, by the way? Triced for ninth. Yeah, tied for ninth. Yeah. So, yeah, I think it'll, I think it'll be better than that. Yeah. Okay. Bo predict or Zach convince me?

Uh, Bo predict. Uh, this is, this is two football heavy for. 253 into the show, but as someone who thinks a lot about the Vic Fangio defense, predict in what ways schematically it's going to be a little bit different than it was last year. That's a really good question. There's so much about like it takes two years for the defense, but you don't usually have the first year be like historic good. He was so excited about Jihad Campbell, right? Yeah, like I'm wondering if that, if he would be that excited.

by just like an upgrade in a position as opposed to something that can make his scheme more flexible. Yeah, exactly. Oh, in what ways will it be different? I don't think there will be a major... I mean, we have such a long career of evidence that there are certain things that he doesn't really change. Will there be like more man coverage or something?

And probably not, right? The big... I don't know, is this exciting enough? like he might use, he might actually use Jihad Campbell the way he used Van Ginkle in Miami. Where he actually takes an eddresher off the field and has Jihad Campbell be the address.

Exactly. Right, he never did that last year. And then has, if Nicopa Dean is healthy or whoever, a different linebacker on the field? Yes. Or even in dime, like maybe he used Jihad Campbell as a,

so rather than take a linebacker off the field, take an ad rusher off the field. Okay. I don't know if that's particularly exciting. It's interesting. It's interesting. And then I don't know if we'll see how the Drew McCuba does and what's going on with safety, but I don't think he's going to change the way he uses the safeties.

And he'll keep read as the boundary safety, but that's something that might only excite me. So I'm not sure if that's like a, would be a major change even if he did switch that up. But yeah, that's really all I can come up with. The one thing that I hope doesn't happen is Kiliuingo just isn't that good and he feels the need that he has to hide him more because one of the things that we saw last year was he trusted both outside corners enough

that when he did play a safety over the top of one of the corners it wasn't because of who the corner was. It was because of the way the offense was lined up it was because of whether it was the boundary or the field side whether he was playing cover six, cover eight, those kinds of things. We've seen defensive coordinators on other teams have to hide corners by having a safety go over the top. And so that would be a change that I'll be tracking that for sure.

When it is cover six, which means you're playing quarters to one side, halves to the other, basically meaning that you're capping one of the corners with a safety and then the other corner is essentially one-on-one. Is he going to trust Keely Ringo to be one-on-one, especially when he's to the boundary? Like that was a big part of last year's defense

was having the boundary corner play one-on-one, and Reed Blankenship, who was the boundary safety, basically be able to focus attention to the other side of the field and take away crossers. That was one of the biggest schematic advantages that defense had.

When Keeley Ringo is to the boundary, will he still play that way? That's going to be a question. And so this is intertwined with the Cooper DeGine question, right? And so take Cooper deGine himself out of it, but schematically, would you rather have the complete faith

in the corner on the outside and maybe not 100% faith on the nickel inside, or would you rather have, I know this nickel is going to be everywhere I need him to be and can provide the downhill heft that I need and maybe I do have to cover for the corner on the outside.

Yeah, I think if the corner was like absolutely terrible then you would want Cooper DeGine at a corner and have like a replacement level nickel. But I think Keely Ringgo is going to be good enough that I'd rather have like Cooper DeGine who might have been the best nickel in the NFL last year which is crazy to say as a rookie to stay in the nickel. Yeah. Okay.

And I think Zach's right that we'll see Cooper DeGine on the outside on base downs, but they play plays so little base. It doesn't really matter. You know, like the Saints aren't on the schedule this year, you know. So, yeah, I just don't. I mean, like the Kubiak Saints, you know, like a team that just plays. Yeah.

I wonder if there's ever, if there's a path to like it's not just base and nickel, but there are just certain times when Cooper DeGine is on the outside and there's a different nickel in and then there are just times when maybe on third down he's inside or something like that. I don't know. Oh, I see having like a like a designated backup nickel.

moving around. Like a Sydney Brown as a big nickel on early downs. Yeah. And having Kubra on the outside and Sydney Brown on the field. But that goes against everything we saw last year, which is just I want my guys and they all know where they're supposed to be. Yeah. And Sean Syed has said for years about Fangio that he really likes players having a role

and keeping them in that role. He doesn't like moving them around. So the Van Gingle thing was almost an exception. So yeah, I don't think he would do that. he also doesn't seem to like Sidney Brown so I don't know like who that would be who that nickel would be right is like Mac McWilliams going to be like good enough to be playing

I kind of doubt right Jackson moves inside something like that adori Jackson maybe yeah though Adori Jackson I mean we said I think I said this on the show it's a little bit overstated his his nickel oh yeah sure he does not have much he's like never played nickel like in a consistent way

yeah I mean he's followed receivers inside so on when you look at the services and you look at his slot corner snaps, he has some. Yeah. But none of them are as the actual slot corner. It's just because like his guy went inside or it was corners over or something like that. He's not been a consistent nickel in the NFL. All right.

Well, we've got one more question to get to in tick Zach. Bo it's coming from Zach and it's coming to you in overtime. I feel like that was a little bit muted. I think that was not your, you're like, do we have all of you, all of your enthusiasm today? I hope this never ends, by the way, this overtime thing, which I still don't understand. It's so good. I love it.

Well, as we said, because we have a lot of people, including my grandfather, who watch us on fast, who watch us on TV. Yeah, that's what you guys said last time. That does not explain the screaming of overtime, which is great. I'd rather not understand it. I mean, I'll just look at the fact that I'm not capable of understanding. No, I think I'm joking. I love it.

I sincerely love it. The one thing I would add to that is I am curious if there's a world in which they think that Sidney Brown and Andrew McCuba are better on the field together than Kili Ringo. And like that's a combination, you know, if Sydney Brown in the slot against certain types of, if Kili Ringo is not good,

I just wonder if maybe they want three safeties on the field and the genoa at the outside or if there's a package where they do that. Yeah. And then the other, while we were discussing who that nickel would be, we talked about Jackson and McMilliams, I'm wondering if it could be MacCuba.

or Brown. Yeah. And then also, yeah. Yeah, I mean, having it mean, McCuba, assuming he's starting, would be moving a lot of guys around, right? Like, it seems very unfangio to move to Gene outside, move McCuba to the nickel, move Sidney Brown onto the field, like,

just because it's first down, you know, that would go against what we saw last year. So he really wish they kept Isaiah Rogers. Like, it's just bothering me as I look at the step chart. Yeah, why not just pay him, whatever it would have taken? He's watching the exciting mics I saw on his Instagram. Which you can watch on PHLY.

That's coming up right now, actually. It's debuting on the PHLY feed. The exciting mics episode, which you could see elsewhere, but if you want to support us on PHYLI, you can watch it here and subscribe to support the good folks of PHOY, including Zach. So this involves Fangio here. This is that convinced me.

The whole staff has, the whole coaching staff has to leave, but you can keep one person. are you keeping Nick Sirianic his head coaches are hard to find are you keeping Vic Fangio because he was such a difference maker defense coordinator are you keeping Jeff Stoutland because over three different head coaches here he's proven that he can develop like and that's a really hard spot to hit so I think those are probably the three people you're talking about unless that's a really good question so the whole staff has to leave but you're allowed to hold

one guy yeah it's like an expansion draft and you protect one person. This is Tyler Scudder erasure. I mean, but yeah. Fangio, Stoutland, or Siriani, and what kind of... No, in their role, and then you fill out the rest of... What kind of horizon are we talking?

The same... Whatever the horizon is. Yeah, whatever your husband. Okay, so if I keep Fangio and he retires in two years, that's it. Yeah. Fangio's not as old as... He's not that old, yeah. He's in his 60s.

Yeah. Is he around the same age of Stoutland? Oh, good question. Let me see what's... Similar, right? it is you know what this is a good framing for uh stout 63 i saw okay uh i saw i saw mina kimes was doing like the ranking of the eagles or the head coach head coaches in the league and then there of course there's the argument about syriani and his winning percentage where he's they rank it is a good

framing that in this question i don't know any eagles fan who's taking nick over either stout or fan joe oh yeah i agree i agree yeah it's i mean it's i think the syriani record thing is amazing. Like, and part of what makes it amazing is the fact that no one really thinks it has anything to do with him. It obviously has something to do with him.

I think he's, I think he's, you know, he's the right coach for this team. He might not be the right coach for every team in the NFL. He is a very, he might not be the right coach for any other team

in the NFL. He is a very good coach. Yeah. And there's no chance that anybody's taking him over, Fangio or Statland. I agree, yeah. No,

it's definitely definitely not. My answer is definitely not Nick. If this were a peckness, migrate, I would be my great. him. I will probably go so hard. It's been so long since we've had not Stoutland.

You know, like, I don't know if I, like, just take him for granted. How good the offensive line has been. I mean, Fitzfangio's been a defensive coordinator for four decades, and he's been to two Super Bowls, right? Right. And he's never had. For four years and it's been to two Super Bowl. So, like, there's, there's enough evidence of,

of teams not being good with Vic Fangio as their defensive coordinator. There's more evidence. that seems being good with Nick Siriani is their head coach. Yeah, I think I'm going to, I'm going to, my answer is going to be Stoutland. I think it would be Stout too for me. Yeah, with the reason that like we know that Stoutland's presence makes the run game good, makes the offensive line good. We know how important those things are. We don't know.

We know we also know from all kinds of history that defense is not sustainable, right? Whereas like good offensive line play is. So I'm going to go stout. How many gallons is that thing, Zach? It's not gallons. It's 50 ounces. I trick two of these a day. 50 ounces.

It's good for your... It's funny to me because it seems very clear that you didn't want that on camera. I do not. You waited until Danes was talking. You pulled it out from under the desk. You thought you were going to get a side little sip, only to find that it was a double shot. And you were on the whole time.

A side sip. It's like drinking out of a lake. I don't speak as clearly when my mouth is dry. So I had to... Yeah. Yeah, I'll go stout first, Fangio. I think I'll go out too, which is insane. Like to think about,

it's an offensive line coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's crazy. But I think I probably would too. What about you, Zach? I mean, I've seen stout function with, with, this is the thing. Yeah, like he's,

he has done this for three, four different coaches. Yeah. So that's, so I would probably go stout with, with there too, because, so if you take that, so Nick has to fill out his whole coaching staff. in this case, right? But countless different offensive coordinators. Like, the run game is just always...

And you see, like, there are some really bad offensive lines out there that are... That probably do have a lot to do with coaching. Like, I think the delta between Stout and the median offensive line coaches is far greater than the delta between Nick and the median. That's exactly my point. Is that so in this example, you're taking the... You're taking the rest of the staff away.

way, right? And so in the case of Stout, like, I know he could function with that. If you just have Siriani, and so if you put a replacement level coach in with the rest of the staff and this roster, I think Sariani is a really good coach. I still think that team is very competitive, right? Now, I don't know what the offensive line would be like with the drop off from Stout. In Fangio's case, and this is not to take anything away from, Fangio was brilliant last year. They had the number one defense. But as I said, there's four decades where like Vic Fangio hasn't been a miracle worker. I think you framed it well when they hired him. He raises the floor more than he raises the ceiling in 39 years before this.

Now, I do think that I think if you were doing a one-year replacement, I think you would rather have Vic this year than Stoutland this year. Because I think that the guys already learned everything. The guys have already learned everything. It's like veterans. And also, I think the defensive personnel is particularly catered to Vic in a way, whereas, like, if you just brought in a random defensive coordinator, the pieces might not fit as well.

But I think over the next five years, as you're probably going to have to turn over the offensive line anyway, you probably want to make sure that Stout is here. And I also think in this hypothetical, for all the reasons that you have written about, you can probably trust the Jeffrey Lurie head coach hiring process to not get stuck with the dud. Sure.

You're right. And there's a reason why they've replaced head coaches and not offensive line coaches since 2013. Right. They clearly. And defensive coordinators. Yeah. And there have been times when there have been people that they've liked,

whether it's head coaching candidates or offensive coordinator candidates. And like, it was put to them. You're keeping Jeff Stoutland here. Yeah. I mean, Lurie hired two guys that no one thought should have been the higher and they both won the Super Bowl. I mean, like, it's like, yeah, he'll find another guy. Which probably says something about the way we in the media assess coaching candidates too.

Sure. Right? You look at someone's rankings on offense and rankings on defense and say, there's so much more that goes into the job, which I think both demonstrated. And the organization-centric nature of the team, right? Like, I mean, one of the biggest criticisms of Doug Peterson was that, like, well, he's not actually in charge. like it's an organization-centric team. And I've never really, like, why would I care about that as a fan?

You know, like, what's wrong with it being organization-centric if they do a good job? Like, if they put the coach in a position to win, then, like, I don't really care if it's not, you know, Nick Siriani as a solo act, like winning these games. Like, as a fan, I just want the team to win. So, I mean, I think the best organization. What's it? That was a good one. Yeah, I think the best organization in professional sports right now is the Los Angeles Dodgers.

And, like, they have a manager. who's outstanding at managing his clubhouse at dealing with that. They have someone who runs baseball operations and Andrew Friedman, who's elite at that. And like, yeah, I agree with you, is that you don't need the omnipotent head coach to be a successful organization. Julio, how is the chat coming down? Are they going Stout as well?

Between Fangio and Stout? One of the things about offensive line, too, is, I mean, I think you would both agree, right? It's the most important position coach, like in terms of both the scheme involved and the technique involved that you need to coach on offensive line. I think so.

Compared to any of the other positions. Well, also just, I mean, mathematically, you're coaching five guys. Yeah. That's true, yeah. I think maybe the secondary would be the closest to that, but the Eagles have so many different secondary coaches. I don't think there's any doubt that it's offensive line coach.

Yeah. So, right. So what you're saying, it's not as crazy as saying a position coach over a coordinator and head coach. Yeah. Probably the head at. at worst the fourth most important coach on the team. And he's the run game coordinator for the team that runs the ball

more often than any other team. I mean, that matters too. So, okay. All right, good stuff. That was a good one, Zach. Thank you. He brought it. Good job by both of you guys.

It was good. I was leaving the barbershop when you texted about it. And then I was like, all right, I can come up with this. People are liking the Carolina Blue. You know what? This was actually a late ad. I was in a shorts and T-shirts. I was in shorts and T-shirts.

No. And we have a David Letterman-esque situation in our studio. It is cold in here. It is cold. Why is so cold? I don't know. I mean, our air conditioning works in this building, that's for sure. And so I was like, you know what?

I should actually, I should change quickly. And then I don't know if you noticed this. When I got out of the car today, I realized the sweatsh was on inside out. And so I did not notice. Yeah, so I ran to the bathroom once I got here to flip it. I literally changed. Wait, are you not wearing a shirt underneath? No.

Oh, okay. Interesting. Yeah. I would not wear a shirt like that without. Really? Yeah. I just want to be comfortable. It's not like...

I never wear a T-shirt under these hoodies. Yeah. I don't think I ever have my bottom layer and not be short-sleeved. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I don't. Yeah. I'm just trying to think of...

That's too much bulk, I feel like. Maybe. I don't know. I already have so much bulk. It doesn't really matter. Yeah. These types of hoodies. I think it makes sense.

Yeah. It's a little bit more clinging. Exactly. Yeah. If you have a shirt underneath, it's not quite as comfortable. But I feel like, for instance, like the P.H.O. Y hoodies that we have that are a little bit. Oh, yeah. A little thicker.

You would wear a shirt. I would wear a t-shirt under those. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's this material that. Yeah, I agree. I'm thinking about it now. I think the main reason is to have the flexibility to turn to short sleeve.

If I go somewhere in the heats on too high. But that's the appeal of the light hoodie. Yeah. I feel like the light hoodie is one of the, One of the real clothing come-ups of the past five years or something. It's become a staple for me, honestly. Even with shorts, I go hoodie often. If I wanted that versatility, I would do what Bose doing.

I do the zip-up. If I'm considering going with the T-shirt, I always do the zip-up. But the hoodie, it's like you're committed to it. And you just roll the sleeves up, you know, if you're getting to work. Yeah. But this is moisture wicking. Oh, I need that. Yeah.

Is that one of those, is that one of those buzzwords that's always going to catch your attention? Moisture wicking. It's not a buzzword. It's, it's, it's, it's not a buzzword. It wicks moisture. It's the material wicks moisture. If you have just a 100% cotton sweatshers, it's not wicking moisture that way. Sure.

And moisture wicking is huge. More for other clothing than hoodies, I think. But yes. What clothing with that? A boxers. Boxer breeze. Yeah, absolutely. In the summer,

oh my God, life changed. That's why, I mean, if you don't have a moisture wicking pair of boxers, you're definitely going to need some mando.

There you go. There you go. Yeah. No doubt about that. All right. I guess that's all we got. Fun week. Fun week of episodes

here on PHLY. Dana is here for so much of it. That was nice. We will talk to you next week. Back on Monday, 2 o'clock. Until then, enjoy your weekend for all of us here.

we'll talk to you later. Thank you, Julia, for making it happen. And Danes for coming in. And Zach, for those beautiful blue eyes. We'll talk to you later. And as always, we love you.