PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Did Jalen Carter’s Price GO UP For Eagles In Contract Extension Talks!? | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: June 22, 2026

Did Jalen Carter and Drew Rosenhaus just get the leverage they were looking for? The Eagles star defensive tackle and his agent were the beneficiaries of Titans DT Jeffery Simmons signing a three-year, $105.8 million contract extension before the weekend. Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss what the deal means for Carter, what they expect to happen next and play out the options the Eagles have if an agreement can’t be reached.    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome the PHM Langell's podcast on an interesting weather Monday, live from the Xfinity Lounge and presented by Ashley Bow Wolf. And the great E.J. Smith has returned. E.J., how you doing? How was it? Oh, I am back, and I feel great. Yeah, nice week. Nice baby moon with the misses. Enjoyed myself. Yeah. Barbarazzi all over you guys. you know there were some grainy photos but yeah we had a good time uh enjoyed sidona enjoyed

phoenix um got some hikes in got some you know relaxation read some books but honestly you didn't believe me when i said this this morning i am like excited to be back i am happy to be back at work i enjoy my job terrible take no i enjoy my job i had i enjoyed my time i'm not like my predecessor it's not like i was you know jones and to get back to work while we were there i enjoyed the time away you can gain some perspective on work while you're out there. And then you come back and I was. I was like, I miss you guys. I was excited to come back and talk about the Eagles and talk about a lot of topics.

You did send a content video, which I meant to play on the show Friday and I completely forgot about it. I wonder if it's too late. Maybe we can play. I'll send it to Lindsay. Yeah, let's do it at the end of the show. Yeah, I would like that. Yeah, did some content while I was out there. You know, had to.

But yeah. You didn't. Oh, I mean, that's my, she'll disagree. you always got to be making content always make content you don't you don't I disagree

when you're on the clock sure I'm always making some kind of content you see my my lawn content on Instagram yesterday no oh you didn't see that that's disappointing maybe some of the sick of saw my lawn content

on Instagram sorry I posted a story it got like 70 likes on the story because people like oh oh yeah no I mean listen that was good numbers 70 likes on a story

story. People like the content. One like too many as far as I'm concerned. Nice. All right, let's get to the focus of today's show, which is Jalen Carter. We're talking about this in the wake of news from Tennessee. Tell us what the scoop is on Jeffrey Simmons. Yeah, so Jeffrey Simmons on Friday signed a three-year, $105.8 million extension with the Tennessee Titans, with reportedly $100 million is guaranteed.

That seems crazy. Yeah, I was going to say, this resets the defensive tackle market in a way that... Well, just in terms of percentage of the money guaranteed, that's unprecedented, right? It's not going to... Yeah, I mean... They're not actually guaranteeing 98% of the contract, right? The Eagles would hope not, I would say. I mean, I think the guarantee is going to be something we talk a lot about today.

And yes, it is the highest amount guaranteed for a defensive tackle in NFL history. and it might turn out to be... By some margin, right? So, I mean, Chris Jones is at $95 million. Oh, okay. But to your point, like, there's a chance that this number comes down in the next week or so. Like, you know, that when we get the full contract details, some of that might not be fully guaranteed. I think that that is an important thing to keep in mind.

But still, a significant deal for Jeffrey Simmons, who is an older player, like you mentioned, we were talking about it before the show. It would be 29 this season. Yeah, 29 this will be his third contract. Right. It's a big deal. You know, the defensive tackle market before this deal had kind of this weird, like, Chris Jones is at the top. Everyone else is kind of hard capped around that 26, 27 annual mark. And, you know, there was that gap, like Chris Jones at 31, you know, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams, all those players around 26 or 27 million. Jeffrey Simmons coming in above Chris Jones, that does reset the market in a way that if you're the Eagles and you're trying to get a deal done with Jalen Carter, it's not favorable. Well, I think we can get into the comparison between when the Eagles are paying likely Jalen Carter versus when Jeffrey Simmons is getting paid. But let's take a step back here and just talk about why it is that this is we're even here

talking about this because the Eagles history, not just in recent years over the past decade plus, but especially in recent years, is that their best players, the homegrown guys, they are paying like the moment that they can. And, you know, this is, this is Devante Smith. This is Jalen Hertz. This is Cam Juergens. This is Lennon Dickerson. All these guys, they're paying them right away.

Now, Jordan Davis is a little bit different. They gave him the fifth year option, and then they paid him again. But you understood why. Jordan Davis was not at that level when they made that decision last year. And then this year they paid him. They have not done that with Jalen Carter. Yeah.

So why is that? I have five possible explanations. for that that I want to run by you. Just really quick to reinforce your point, I went and looked, and I want to make sure now that I did the work, I want to take the credit here. Cam Juergens signed his extension on April 21st the year he was eligible. Like the first offseason he's eligible, April 21st. Devante Smith, same case, April 14th.

Landon Dickerson, same thing. March 11th, the year he was eligible. And then Jalen Hertz, because, you know, some people might say, well, those are pretty straightforward deals. Like, those are players that, you know, the Eagles clearly wanted to extend. and like the contracts were going to basically just be top of the market, you know, Devante a little bit below top of the market. Jalen Hertz, that is as complicated a deal as you're going to work out.

He signed that deal on April 17th, the year he was eligible as well. So the fact that we are now in June and that we haven't heard about a Jalen Carter extension when he is that caliber of player, I think does really speak to the fact that this is a complicated deal. And there are a lot of things that they have to figure out. It's not as straightforward as some of these other ones to the point where I think it's fair to say that they're far apart on some of the terms. Okay. Well, why is it that they've not come to terms yet?

Number one, their philosophy has changed. They don't now want to sign guys right away. It's possible. I doubt that that's the answer. Number two, and I think this is probably the thing that you might hear more from behind the scenes, is that the Eagles are wary of committing fully long-term and guaranteeing a lot of money to Jalen Carter

for whatever reasons, whether that is, they're a little bit unsure about whether he's going to play at the elite, elite level that they expect him to, a bit of a down year last year, although he was banged up, or it's something off the field, just whatever headache work

they have to handle him with behind the scenes, that is affecting their willingness to commit long term. Yeah. Number three is it's more of the inverse where Jalen Carter and Drew Rosenhaus, knowing that they are coming off, of not his best season, don't want to commit to a long-term deal right now

because they know if he's healthy and he has a monster season, this number is going to exponentially be even more next season. Number four is that they want to come to terms. Both sides are interested. They're just that far apart on what devaluation is. Yeah. Because Jalen Carter doesn't have the production numbers

that you would look at, a Jeffrey Simmons type, you know, a Chris Jones type certainly. But they're interested. whereas Jalen Carter wants to get paid at that level, even though he hasn't produced at that level. And then number five is just that this is all, this is close, the deal is coming, we'll hear something in July.

Yeah. So ranking your five very nicely laid out possibilities here, I would say number four is probably the one I'd say is most likely. I think that they're... Both sides want to come to terms. They're just that far apart? Yeah. You know, asking around about this before the show,

I think it's fair to say that they are far apart. and where Jalen Carter is at and where the Eagles are at. I think the average annual value and the guarantees are sticking points, but I think the guarantee in particular, from my understanding, is the thing that is going to be the hardest to square. And I think that's why that Jeffrey Simmons number, when it does come out, like, officially, what he got guaranteed, I think that that could be, I think that could be pivotal

for the negotiation between the Eagles and Jalen Carter. Yeah, the average annual value thing, I mean, their average annual value for Jordan Davis is 26. Yeah. So what leg do they have to stand on in not giving Jalen Carr 30? Yeah. So to me, if I were like, you know, the third party observer here with the average annual value and the guarantee being like potential sticking points, I think this is pretty simple.

Like you remember the Jalen Hertz contract extension, the way it came out, like he resets the market and average annual value. And then you find out like the way that like his cap hits are and the guarantee is a little bit more favorable for the team. I think that that's the playbook with this. Like I think you give him the win for average annual value. Like Jeffrey Simmons at 35 million, like that is the, that's the floor for him. But I think that's the floor?

I do. I think that the Jeffrey Simmons deal. So we should talk about this. Let's talk about Simmons versus Carter. Jeffrey Simmons was first team all pro last year. Yeah. You know, he's had at least eight sacks like each of last three seasons or whatever. Yeah.

Jalen Carter doesn't come close to that. Yeah, he's three years younger. Well, I agree with you. I think the theoretical upside for Jalen Carter is what his, that's going to be his argument, is that Jeffrey Simmons has gone on his third contract. This is Jalen Carter's second contract. And if you're the Eagles, what is the point of me, what is the upside of me paying you for the upside if I'm not getting any discount on it? Yeah, I agree. I'm not saying I think Jalen Carter

should get that. I think Jalen Carter will look at the Simmons deal and say higher than that. I don't think Jalen Carter would sign for less than what Simmons just signed for. I think if you're Jalen Carter, you can say you want to exceed the guarantees, but it's spread out over a longer timeline because Simmons's is within three years, but bring the average down. And if I'm the Eagles, the opposite. You would rather... I'd rather have a higher average annual value and a lower guarantee. Yeah, I would. I think the guarantee is going to be the ultimate sticking point for the Carter deal. I like, you know, I was, it's funny before the show, I was trying to figure out what do I,

what would I guess his deal eventually looks like? And I'm going to guess the average annual value resets the market, but the guarantee is not as high as the 95 million or the 100 million or whatever Jeffrey Simmons is at. Let's just, the Chris Jones number being 95, I think the Eagles will try to push to keep it lower than that. Or at the very least, it's not fully guaranteed. There are off-ramps. And I think that that meets into that. I would imagine that that is part of the disconnect here

is the kind of language that the Eagles might want in a contract where they are committing over the span of four years of guarantees, they're going to want some outs depending on off-the-field stuff. I completely agree. And I think that's probably part of the guarantee being a sticking point. Like if you're Jalen Carter, you want fully guaranteed what Jeffrey Simmons just got or more. I think that if you're looking at, if you're Jalen Carter, you probably want, if that 100 million number is it, I don't think you're saying more than that guaranteed.

I think you're saying that that's the, that is the expectation for what's guaranteed. And then he wants to break the average annual value mark. But if you're the Eagles, like, yeah, you want contingencies in there. And I think all of this is why it is like a complicated deal. You know, and I think that that speaks to why it hasn't gotten done yet. I think the Eagles would have loved to get it done. I think that Jalen Carter would have loved to have a nine-figure deal signed. But I think that all of these things we're talking through, that's like why, like, you know,

I think it was Albert Beer reported like the Eagles are hesitant. And I think like just what we laid out when the Eagles usually do their deals and the fact that this one hasn't happened, I think it's fair to say these are the reasons why they are hesitant and why it's taken so long. Okay, I have a few follow-ups, but let's take our first break here on the PHAY Eagles podcast. We'll come back. I'll talk more about Jalen Carter and what the future might look like in Philadelphia on the PHAY Eagles podcast. What if you, yes, you, could have reliable and intelligent Wi-Fi for five years at the same price. Well, good news.

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Oh, no, there goes my Wawa, a cup of water. You just spilled it? Oh, my goodness. Oh, no. What's brewing is a pile of water on the floor. It's raining outside, and it's raining in and out of the studio. Yikes. You know, this sign table's new.

Yeah, this is. Wasn't used to the, I hadn't added it to my spatial awareness yet. Elbowed it right over. You usually have such good spatial awareness, too. It's a Monday. All good. You're going to be able to rally? Tough start.

Shout out Wawa. What's the news? So the Eagles have a training camp start date, or report date, we should say. Eagles players, rookies and veterans are going to report on July 28th. That's late. A little later, a little later than usual and a little later than some of the other teams across the league. Rookies and veterans reporting at the same time. No early day for the rookies.

No one day early for the rookies. No, I shouldn't say this, but I wonder if like, like, Mackay Lemon having the hamstring, if that affects it at all. No way. Yeah, he might not even be ready. Let's just not do it. But it's just, you know, straight thought. The joint practice dates also official now, August 19th and August 20th.

Yeah, one more time. August 19th and 20th for the joint practice dates. Both. With the Patriots. Yeah. I mean, that's going to be a point. It's going to be fun. It's going to be very fun.

So August 19th, my mom's birthday. Oh. Yeah. Did you like AJ Brown? Yeah, she liked AJ Brown. My mom really didn't like Jonathan Gannon. That was like the thing. She really did not like Jonathan Gannon.

All right, so July 28th. That's a good long July that we're going to make it through content-wise. Is that where your mind went right to? Like, that's an extra week. Eagles 26, baby. Eagles 26 was great, by the way. I do have one thing. And listen, I had a lot of thoughts why I listened to the shows.

But the one thing. All right, let's close the book on What's Brewing presented by Wawa. Shout out to Wawa. Shout out to Wawa. Spill more water Speaking of Wawa shoutouts I was at my nephew's basketball game yesterday He plays like an outdoor summer league

And he Like he was I was like what did you have before the game You know like you seem like really energetic out there And he said he had a Wawa smoothie before the game Nice And he said he had whipped cream on it And I was like whipped cream before a basketball game

It's a tough call like you know that's a little risky But yeah Wawa smoothie Fing them up good What are your thoughts? The big one that I disagreed with, because I did my Eagles 26 and played, I participated from afar.

Sequin Barclay, I feel like you guys were a little low on him. I feel like... Well, the list isn't out yet. Yeah, but when you talked about Sequin against the other running backs, you said you had Sequin as like the lowest ranked running back. Okay.

I think you guys are lower on him than I am. And I think the argument that you made for Nick Foles and the argument that you made for Michael Vick and Terrell Owens, I think Seekwon is in that same kind of class where the one season pushes him further up than I think you guys have put him. I think you were accounting for his 2024 season, but like Nick Foles' argument and Seekwant's argument

are not like miles apart. They both were the catalyst for a Super Bowl run. Like the Seaconne Barclay read for 2,000 yards and carried the team to the Super Bowl. The list is not out yet. You don't know where Seqon's going to be. I actually don't know. where Seiquine's going to be.

Yeah, calm down. You had him lower than, you said you had him as third behind Brian Westbrook and Shady. I stand behind that. I have him higher than that. It's okay.

You have a baby brain and you can only remember things that happened three years ago. I've been on the show for 19 minutes. It took you 19 minutes to insult my intellect. I'm a guy who...

I'm back, baby. Amazing. I mean, it's two years. One of the years is one of the best seasons of all time. No doubt about it. Yes. Yeah, but that's, like, oh. No, but it's a very, it's a very stacked list.

Yeah, I just, again, like Nick Foles, you made that argument for me. You guys are so eloquent about Nick Foles. Yeah, there's a difference between a quarterback having this, like, unbelievable season to take a franchise to the thing that it has never done before and being the reason that. they won versus the running back having the best running back season of all time, but also being part of a team that won because of its defense and because the offensive

line was blocking for him. Yeah, it's a little bit different. I agree that they are not exactly the same, but I said they are not miles apart. Well, they're not going to be miles apart on the list. Okay. All right. I don't think that I, to me, we'll see where they are on the list. I don't think you should be arguing versus Foles.

If you want to make the argument that he should be higher than shady in Westbrook. I'm making here. Yeah. I think I don't know that I agree with that. He belongs higher on the list of running back. I know that I disagree with it, but I'm more open to it. Like, as much as like you guys talked about like shady and the snow game and that was iconic. I'm not trying to diminish what those guys did. Like, Sequin had those moments and he had more of moments like more of those moments. He had more great moments. He had the snow game against the ranch. He had one great season. Yeah. Those guys both had more great seasons. But saying he had one great season is like, that doesn't capture it. He had one of the greatest seasons of any individual.

player in NFL history. Right. And that is going to put him higher than you would expect for a guy with only one good season. Yeah, and I think that I wait that more than you. That's all. That's all. I think I wait. Like you're saying like you did account for it. I'm not saying you didn't account for it. I think that that should carry more weight than it did. I listen to two hours of you guys talk about this and this is like my biggest gripe. So I think it, you know, I think you guys did a great job. I just, I think Sequin belongs higher. Okay. Well, we'll see where he ends up on the on the final list.

Because you were too busy being horny as a teenager to pay attention to what was going on with the Eagles anytime before 2016. I love to be West and I love Shady. They were great players. I just, Sequins, 2024. I think I'm like doing the opposite of recency bias.

Like, I am thinking like, how am I going to look back on this 10 years from now? No. And I think it's absolutely. Recy bias. No, it's the opposite. Trust me.

Oh, man. All right. What does the chat think? Yeah. Way in chat. Let me know if I'm doing the opposite of recency. Okay. Let's move on.

Jalen Carter. What do you, what do you, how do you think this resolves itself? Let's say we find out that the Jeffrey Simmons deal is pretty close to what's being reported. It's actually, you know, 85 million guaranteed or whatever it is. But the numbers are basically the same. it affects the Eagles a little bit. How do you think this plays out? It's a good question.

I think this lingers in the next offseason. I don't, I think if you're asking me to put turkeys on Jalen Carter signing an extension this offseason, I am below 50 for this off season. Okay. I think this lingers in the next off season. What I don't think will happen for the record is I don't think that Jalen Carter is going to get traded this off season. I would put 92 turkeys on Jalen Carter playing for the Eagles next season.

Maybe more. Maybe like 97. I just, I don't see a scenario where it makes sense to trade them. And this is something I wanted to ask you, you know, because, you know,

I don't know if you remember the No Bad Ideas podcast. Of course. That none of us were in attendance for, but still a very good idea brought up on that podcast by someone who looked like you at the very least. Was trading Jalen Carter an offseason early when his value was the highest? I'm not sure his value takes that much of a hit between now and next offseason.

If you are hitting the red button, and I'm not saying the Eagles are going to do that, but if they were to hit the red button and say, we're going to try and get something back for Jalen Carter before he walks, we can talk about that. I'm not sure his value changes that much between now and next year. I know it's like, well, I'll let you answer it.

No, I think, I don't know how much it changes. I think it is probably always the case, now barring the possibility that Kaling Carter goes out and has the all-pro season that is in his body that we expect is possible. Yeah. Aside from that, I think in general,

you're always going to get more if it is the kind of situation where you're like, someone asks about a player and you're like, no way. And then they offer something. You're like, you know what? That's your positioning. Is that, you know, we weren't expecting to trade this guy. You have blown us

away with an offer. If you give us a little bit more, you know, we will do it, versus, okay, they have chose not to pay him for the whole season. The league knows that now. So obviously the team itself is wary to some degree. You're not going to get the same price, I think. There is like. But it also, he's at the age where it depends so much on what he does on the field. Yeah, that's the big variable is what does the, what does his season look like on the field?

And like, I think it is fair to say like, I don't want to say off the field necessarily, but like, I mean, if you have another like spitgate or something like that where, or honestly, if he just has another season where his health isn't great. Yeah. Those are things that could affect his trade value. I just still feel like he's a talented enough player with enough respect in the NFL. He will fetch a lot in a trade if the Eagles wanted to trade him, you know? If you're only dealing with one team, then that changes it, you know, like the AJ Brown argument

where it's like, you know, you're kind of negotiating against nobody, but he's, he's a lot of young, talented player. So, I don't know, there's appearances to it. I think that's a really good point. Like, the Eagles have to kind of keep up appearances with Jalen Carter no matter what happens. Like, oh, we are so happy to have him here and he's a really young, dominant player. Like, you are not going to, you know, hurt his value that way. I just, I've seen, not saying, like, you know, super prominent members of the media have been coming out saying Jalen Carter should get traded, but I have seen enough, like, scuttlebutt about Jalen Carter getting traded this off season. I don't think it makes sense for the Eagles to do that.

I think from the Eagles perspective, what also makes it more difficult is, given where they are, I would imagine that if Howie wanted to trade, Jalen Carter, he would want to make it as part of getting another player back, not just draft equity, especially this late in the offseason. Sure. And I find that a difficult match to find. Yeah, I think if it was going to happen, it might have been, you know, part of the Miles Garrett deal, something like that,

where it's like we couldn't pass this up. I think at this point, I would be surprised. So what do you think happens? Well, here's my question to you is, let's say they don't get a deal done. Is this a kind of deal where there's a hold-in situation and Jalen Carter is watching from sideline for the first two weeks of training camp? Is that what we're headed towards? Yeah, it's a good question.

Whenever you have a Drew Rosenhouse client as part of this, you do have to wonder if the spectacle takes over. When's the last time the Eagles dealt with this? Hassan? I think so. I mean, but Hassan was really, most of his, like, consternation was with the Jets. Like, he was unhappy with his contract situation, but the Eagles kind of got rid of him before it could really get ugly. If it's not Hassan, who even has held in with the Eagles? I can't think of anyone.

It just feels like it doesn't happen very often. But I guess it's a possibility. I don't know. If you're Jalen Carter, like, I don't know how much leverage you really have in that, though. Like, you have two years left on your deal. And, you know, something that I also wanted to talk about here is, like, he's very much a candidate for the franchise tag if this strings out long enough for it to happen. So, I don't know.

Him holding in or holding out this early in this process, I mean, I guess I wouldn't be shocked, but I don't think, I guess, like, I don't think it was, it's likely, but it wouldn't shock me. No, but you're right about the franchise tag thing. Like, from the Eagles perspective, the, urgency to sign him to a long-term deal isn't shouldn't be there as much because yeah if your option and then franchise tags like those those are fine options no they the Eagles have not used the franchise tag in a very long time they don't like to do that but in this case but in this case if if you are wary about the long-term commitment that that is

the value for the player yeah to me so you ask me like what do I think is most likely what do I think will happen. I think it's most likely that they revisit this in a year from now. Well, really, next March, next April, once the season's over. And I think they probably do a deal there where he wins the average annual value competition. Like, he gets that win, but the guarantees reflect, like, that the Eagles have probably, that the Eagles will want off ramps and contingency plans in that contract. The other scenario, if it lingers in the next offseason, is that they treat this kind of like a George Pickens scenario where it is like we kind of want to see it for another year you know like we kind of want we're okay paying you on the franchise tag or paying you on a one-year

deal not on one-year deal but you know paying you on the final year of a contract because there's still more we want to see from you know it's like if you look back at Jalen Carter's like tenure with the Eagles it is fair to say that like he kind of fits in that bucket with like George Pickens where he's been dominant he's been awesome at times in his career he's had the health stuff, and obviously there is like the behind the scenes off the field stuff. So yeah, I think the franchise tag is something that the Eagles probably have in their back pocket as they are at the table negotiating with Jalen Carter and Drew Rosenhouse. So I think, I think it's most likely he signs a deal next offseason or that he's traded, but the franchise tag, I would put like,

you know, a decent amount of turkeys on that scenario if you were sitting here talking about it a year from now. The other thing that I imagine howie Roseman is thinking about is something that he's talked about before in the reason that they don't do in-season extensions anymore is because of worrying what that's going to do to the locker room. Yeah.

Oh, you're paying him, but why aren't you paying me? Now, this wouldn't be an in-season extension, but the idea of going into that year this season with Jalen Carter, knowing he's the best player in that room, but you paid Jordan Davis? Yeah. This guy who plays 45% of the snaps

and you're running me into the ground on still my rookie deal? Like, I don't know if that is something that... I mean, obviously those two guys get along. Yeah. But I don't know if that's something that sits well with Jalen Carter. And you're also dealing with Morrow Jemo in that group

who is pushing to have a monster season himself because he's going to get paid next off season by somebody. The dynamics in that room could be complicated. Yeah, that's a great point. Like, if you're Jalen, Carter, you saw Jordan Davis get paid, and then you and Morrow Ojobo are both, like, chasing the bag all season. Not ideal, but that doesn't, like, mean that you should sign Jailen Carter to a mega

extension just to avoid it. So, I don't know. When you paint it that way, it's like you don't have a good option. Yeah. It's a great point. All right. Much to think about, including what are you going to do for the next two minutes? You're going to sit there and watch these ads, and then you're going to come back for the C-block.

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I'm sorry, I called you a baby brain. Oh, I mean, you don't need to apologize for that because you do it a lot. This isn't the first or the last time that you... I'm also sorry you don't remember beyond three years ago. No, I told you. I wasn't doing a recency. I'll tell you what, though. Here is a biose thing.

that I have. Okay. I think I, lionize is the wrong word, but I put more value in the championship equity of the 2017 group. Oh, you definitely do. Then I do.

I know that I do. Then 22 group because they were the first ones to do it. 24 group. 24 group. Although that 22 team is really good too. Arguably the best of those three teams. So I don't know if it's because I covered the team in 24 and not in 17.

I like I definitely wait the 2017 championship but what I also do is I really wait like the possibility that in 10 years we're going to talk about that 24 Eagles team is one of the greatest rosters in NFL history. Like I know Jeffrey Lorry said it and like that's what he's going to say. I don't know it's I can't remember where I saw it now. I think I saw it on Instagram when I was on vacation. Like who is the greatest champion in the last 10 years? Did you see this? No. It was on Instagram.

It was like, who is the greatest champion in the last 10 years. And like a lot of Instagram. It's like, it could be from anybody. I know. That's why I feel bad. I can't give them credit. But a lot of people in the comments are saying the Eagles. And when I was thinking about it, like, I don't think the chief's run is very respectable.

But that 2014, that is going to go down as a special roster. For part of the thing that you guys talked about, which is that some of these players have like unwritten stories still or like, you know, incomplete. stories at the very least. Like, we might look back at Quinnianne & Mitchell, Cooper de Gene, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, all these players that were on that team and we're going to be like, man, those guys went on to have great careers. But the fact that it was so loaded takes away from any one individual being like the guy. Now, I know that like when we, if you had to put a guy on it that season, Seguan.

It's like that's his season. But yeah, they also had Zach Bond and Cooper DeGine and Quineineineineine Mitchell and Jalen Carter and Josh Sweat and Milton Williams and the whole offensive line and A.J. Brown and Devante Smith. For almost every player on the team, I agree with you that like the strength of the team kind of hurts their argument. Sequan's the exception to me because he was the baddest guy on the team. On a team full of superstars, on a team full of, you know, Galacticos, he was the Galactico.

He was the guy that like everyone was like, like he made a whole sideline for the greatest, potentially the greatest team in NFL history. He made them all go like, oh my God, I've never seen that before my life. Like that's how special he was that season. Okay, but I would think that the 04 team felt similarly about T.O. Yeah, I'm excited for the TEO show.

That was the take I had brewing before vacation. I'm still sitting on this one. Maybe I'm a little lower on that TO season than others. But how do you square that, being lower on TO but higher on Sequin, when they're very similar except one guy. I don't want to get too much into it because I want to do more research on like

how dominant statistically that season was. I just, I don't know. Like I heard so much about like, oh, well, AJ was not T.O. Like, you know, AJ didn't touch what Tio did in Philly. I'm just not sure. I'm going to come back. I don't agree with that. TBD.

TBD. I'm not going to make this argument yet because I want to really dive into the numbers before I do it. Okay. So you didn't go on record on what you think happens with Carter. I want to hear what you think is going to happen. You think it deals this offseason.

next off season, trade, franchise tag, what do you think? I don't think trade. I don't think so either. I think if I had to go all in on one thing, I think I would guess that a deal gets done. This off season? Yeah. What do you think it looks like? A lot of money.

Okay. All right. I don't think it gets done this off season. Now, do you agree with me that if it doesn't happen by training camp, like, it's not going to happen? that that's the eagles i think if it if it doesn't happen by week one it's not going to happen until next off season i think it's possible there's like a good faith okay you you said you've had this monster off season your body looks great let's see what you look like in training camp like let's before we sign on the dotted line here i think that idea i like that idea that

like they want to see how he looks in training camp do you think and like the fear of like him acting out in training camp also factoring into like motivation to get it down it's funny because it's like I don't know like you like I'm trying to think of a good analogy I don't have kids but I'm sure there's a good analogy with kids where it's like Jalen Carter like acting up in training camp shouldn't be like a negotiating chip for him you know it's like you know like that should be against you if like if you don't give me what I want I'm just going to throw a tantrum and you know make your life really difficult right but I guess that's life So I don't know.

I'm gonna... Yeah, I mean, listen, I bet there is a short-term incentive in the Eagles mind that if we don't pay this guy, he's going to be pissed off all season long and he's going to have a monster season. Yeah, maybe. I mean, that's a possibility, right?

Or maybe he totally checks out and he, like, tanks... Yeah, that's possible too. You know, it's funny, I was on Cuzz's show this morning and he was talking about, like, this defense has a chance to be, like, not only... Like, basically the best defense in the NFL. Because, honestly, have kind of, they gotten better since last year.

I feel confident in saying that. I mean, I think swapping out, read Blankenship for Rek-Wollen makes you a better, well, swapping those two out, and then adding Jonathan Gernard, I think makes you a better defense. Obviously, there's a question mark at safety there, but, yeah, to me...

Linebacker could get worse, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah, linebacker could get worse. To me, not upsetting that nucleus would be probably more valuable than, like, getting a pissed off. Jack Carr is always pissed off when he's on the field. You know, it's like, can you get more pissed off? So, I don't know.

Okay. People in the chat thinking next off season. Next off season? Extension or trade. No reason to do it this off season. Is there any, well, the reason would be, is there anybody else who's up this off season that could re-reset the market? Quinn and Williams already got paid.

Alie McNeil already got paid. Is there somebody from that draft class the year after him? Let me see. I'll try and do it quickly. because yeah, that would be the argument is if like you have a defensive tackle that's going like, yeah, I mean, like is like Mason Graham

gonna reset the defensive tackle market? No, but I think I do think there is something to this is probably, this is not someone who is, you're gonna be fielding phone calls from 31 teams, right? I mean, he was considered the best player in the draft and fell to nine for a reason. Yeah.

Like teams didn't want to draft him. They didn't want him in their building. And I would imagine some of those same teams might still feel the same way. Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, like the work you did on him in the draft is going to still be how you feel about it. And looking through it, like there's not a player, there's not a defensive tackle in the class after him where I think like, oh, man, if that guy gets paid before him, it's really going to reset the market. Like, I don't know, maybe your concern would be what we talked about this time last summer. which is like, is there an edge rusher market reset that comes

that brings up the, like, raises the tide for the best pass rushers in the NFL making the best non-quarterbacks in the NFL making a ridiculous amount of money. I think realistically, though, I don't think there's really a reason that you wouldn't just wait until next offseason unless, you know, you feel like you finally got a deal that makes sense. And you're protecting against him having like a Jeffrey Simmons, like double-digit sack year. Because, like, Carter's stats were significantly worse than Simmons.

last year. Yeah. Or no, sorry, even Carter's 2024. Yeah. Like, four and a half sacks, 12 tackles for losses, nine QB hits, second team all pro for Carter in 2020. And that's while playing like 90% of the steps. Yeah.

Jeffrey Simmons in 2025. 11 sacks, 17 TFLs, 21 quarterback hits, first team all pro. So he's an older player, but was a much more productive player. So, I mean, if Carter has that season, now I think we are probably talking about best edge rushers in the NFL money, even though he's a defensive tackle. Best non-quarterbacks, I should say. It's also, I mean, squared by, he is still super young. Yeah.

And so that's the reason to think that you could be getting surplus value potentially. Yeah. How much stock, if at all, and this is a tough question, I apologize. How much stock of it all do you put in, like, giving him the money? Like, oh, you're giving him the money. Like, you don't want to be the team that gives him that much money. No, he's already gotten a lot of money. Yeah.

I just, I don't really prescribe to it. I don't think it's a money's going to change him deal. I think it's more just committing all this cash to a player who is in their mind, theoretically, something of a question mark. Yeah, I struggle with this one because like, it's a loaded thing. It's like, it has a lot of, like, it reeks of some connotations of like, can't give a young black man that type of money. Right.

I hate that. But this is not a, this is not a third round pick who's making good at, like, you know, fine. This is a guy who's drafted ninth overall. Yeah. He already got a lot of money. The only thing I will like say to give it some credence. Overall, I, my skin crawls when I hear that type of stuff.

But like there are questions about like the motivation side for Jalen Carter already. I think if you're coming from it from there, I can see where you're coming from. But again, I usually 98% of the time when I hear that, I'm like, come on, relax. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. So, it would be interesting. Time for another break on the PHA YGO's podcast. Back with more on the other side.

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Everybody's thoughts. Anything else on Jill and Carter to put De Bo on that conversation? No, I think it was a good discussion. I think the the fact that it took us this long to talk through a lot of this stuff is probably why it's taking them so long.

So, yeah. How much do you think this is consuming Howie during his quote-unquote vacation? How much do you think Drew Rosenhaus is, you know, texting him on a daily basis. I'm going to guess that Howie is

not consume with it presently. I'm going to guess that right before they all, the floodgates open for vacation, it probably consumed him. I'm going to guess right before they come back for training camp, it's going to consume him. He strikes me as a guy who's probably on vacation right now. Do you think that he's, like,

not on his phone during vacation? Oh, I think he's on his phone, but I think he probably, like they, I'm sure they were trying to get something done in the spring. I wouldn't, would it surprise you if Howley was like, we can like keep open, keep an open line, but like, we will resume this. Yeah. Closer to training camp.

Oh, I'm sure you're right, but. Howie strikes me as a guy who likes to go on a nice trip now. Like. Well, yeah, but I don't think that he's turning his brain off. Like me? Like me with the baby brain. There's no way. Yeah, I'm not.

His whole thing, his entire. belief system is that his edge is that he's never not trying to find an edge. Yeah, I missed, I miss misunderstood, I think. I thought you were saying like, how much is he working on this? Oh, yeah, sure. How much is he thinking about it?

Lizzie's giving you the signal. How much is he thinking about it? It's just getting more and more aggressive. She went from this to like this to like this. Hello? I'm sure he's thinking about it a good amount. I mean, I'm sure he's watching the show, and he probably heard you bring up the fact that, like, he's going to have a bunch of mercenaries, a defensive tackle, you know, resentful of Jordan Davis being such a great person and getting paid. And now that's going to keep him up at night.

He's going to be sitting there at the beach wherever he's at. I think what Drew Rosenhaus should do is find out where, how he's vacationing. Yeah. And send his brother who looks a little bit like Drew Rosenhaus. As I've said before, it looks like the Frank Stallone version of Drew Rosenthouse. of Drew Rosenhouse. He's got this brother who looks a little bit like him

and just have him sort of walk around the fancy resort so that Howie sees him out of the corner of his eye and he's like, is that? No, it's not okay.

And just really mess with his mind. I like that. Howie's like pulled side. He's like, Drew's trying to get, he gets an angle on it. Man. All right,

let's check out EJ's big update from Arizona from last week and this is viewer participation. Yeah, I need to find out what the chat thinks about this. Yeah. That long.

All right. We're out here in the desert. Say hi, Julia. Hi, everyone. And I got a story for you. I want to hear some commentary on what you would do in this scenario. So, yesterday, we went to downtown Phoenix. You know, Julia wanted a milkshake.

It wasn't me that wanted the milkshake. It was my pregnant wife, of course. So it's a place I've been to before. and, you know, I knew what we wanted, but, you know, it's downtown Phoenix. There's not a lot of parking. So I get there, and I dropped Julia off right at the door. And it's like 105 degrees outside. So I dropped her off literally as close as I could.

And then I just wanted to find a spot to leave the car so that I could be close for when she came out. So I drive, I mean, it was probably like 10 feet. in front of the milkshake place. And it's like a hotel, like drive-through situation. You know, it's like the pull-through where people can get dropped off at the hotel. So I'm parked there, and I realize when I get there that Julia's got my phone. Like, she had both of our phones in her purse. And we didn't really talk about the plan for where I would be because, you know, we were kind of in a rush.

We had been on the phone right when we got there. So anyway, Julia's got both phones, and he would like this tree. You see that? I want to show the tree. It's a nice tree. So Julia's got both phones, and I'm in a panic. I'm like, if I have to move the car, she's not going to know where I am. So just walked into the tree.

So we're going that way. Okay. All right. So part two of the story. I'm sitting in this hotel pole through, and. Julia doesn't know where I am, and the guy who's working the hotel pool through starts making eyes at me, starts noticing my presence. So he's walking over, and I decide I'm going to head it off at the pass.

I know what he's going to say, but I'm going to put my window down. So I do. I put my window down, and I say, hi, sir, you know, I'm really sorry. My wife went in there to pick something up, and she has my phone, and I can't get in touch with her. Would you mind sending her a text so that she knows where I am? And this guy looks at me like, no. He goes, no, sorry, I can't help you with that. But I need you to move. You know, I got cars coming in and out of here, you know, this, that, and the third. And I go, okay, but you just heard me. Like, my wife is in there. She doesn't know where I am. And,

you know, I can't move because she won't know where I am. Like, because I have my, my prefecture. wife, I can't have her walking around in 110 degree heat trying to find the car. So I need you to help me. And he goes, I mean, it's not my problem, man. You got to move. So I want to know, is he at fault here? Am I at fault? Should he help me? What should I have done? Because all I did was say, and this is the PG-13 version, I said, thanks a lot, jerk, and put my window up. and drove off. And everything was fine. I just pulled, like, literally 10 feet further forward into, like, you know, the next, like, dodgily parkable area. And Julia found me. She walked by this guy with her milkshake and her baby bump. I had a peanut butter bliss, and I didn't know what was

going on. Yeah, Julia was in heaven. And when she got in the car, I was all angry. So, tell me who you think is at fault here and what you think I should have done. And just your thoughts on the story. We're going to finish our walk. All right. See you guys. I'm curious to hear what the chat. Yeah, we need the chat. So just to summarize, I'll be quick this time. I know I wasn't quick there. Listen, you're distracted.

You're out in nature. This guy is like working the hotel drive-thru. I ask him if he can text my wife because she had both of our phones. I wanted her to know where I was. It's hot outside. And he hits me with the, that's not my problem, man. And I did not appreciate that. I was as angry as I get at somebody else,

but not angry enough to actually do anything. room an A hole under your breath. Yes, I did. This was like my Bo Jackson handler moment. Where I just, I wanted to be confrontational, but it's just not. I don't have that, I don't have that in me. Sounds like the chat is saying that, that, I like NEPA's take care. Everybody's at fault.

Yeah. I mean, except for my wife. You are, you are doing something that you know you're not allowed to do. But you're allowed to tow that line. That's fine. Yeah. You know you're playing the game of, I might. get I might get tossed here, but I got

away just in case. Once you get tossed, you got to take it? I really, I told you this, I did really like the spin that you gave it to preemptively say, hey man, can you help me out? And not come from a defensive apologizing place, but you were playing a little bit of offense.

Yeah, I really was. I'm sure through him a little bit. And he still gave you the mess around. Yeah. Which is disappointing. That guy was being a jerk. He's being a schmohawk, as she would say. I do I mean, Julia is a grown woman. I don't know that we need to be so worried that she's not going to be able to find you.

Like, you could just circle around. It was hot. It was hot outside. That is like one of my toxic traits is that I don't like to make Julia walk right now anyway. And she's fine. She's walking on herself. She goes to the gym. I think she's still going for runs.

That curb your enthusiasm skit about the pregnant lady running is when I was. always think about. You haven't seen it? Okay. But yeah, she's fine. But I am like, if I can get close to a door, I get close to the door. But yeah, I was just worried about her. There have been times in human history in the past where there weren't phones that

you can just like, I'll pick you up in a couple minutes. If I'm, if I am like driving around and I don't have a good sense of direction, I'm driving around downtown Phoenix and she comes out, she doesn't know where I am. It's worrying, you know? Yeah, I mean, she'll figure it out. Probably. I think I can, now that I have cooler heads have prevailed. Yeah.

I think the guy, like, he's just doing his job. Sure. But I feel like the one thing I will say. Here's the thing. That guy, that guy is getting it from his boss. Yeah, and he also is like dealing with weirdos all that. And he lets you sit there. Some guys yelling at him.

Yeah, I just don't think the answer is ever like your pregnant wife walking around in like 110 degree heat isn't my problem. I feel like that's, I can't get that. there. I feel like, yeah, him going, that's not my problem. I think that's tough. Now, what I... I think he could have, he could have offered you a different solution, but if I replay it, and I'm going to be, I'm going to be honest here. If I replay it, you know what I'm doing? I'm looking at him and I'm going, what if I, like, what are you going to do? No, you're not doing that. I am, because what is he going to do? Rich,

Rich, Bobby, shout out to Rich said in the chat, like, I would tell him, call the tow truck. Like, fine, you know? I would say, like, I'm not moving. Like, you can't make me move, you know, If you want to call the authorities, call them. My wife will be out here with this milkshake, the peanut butter bliss, and I'll get out of here. Jay Chim says you don't want to make her walk while you're filming a 20-minute thing on a hike with her. And anyone who knows, Julia knows the hikes. That's her thing. She loves hiking.

But yeah, probably would have been fine. But, you know, I think you should have just pulled into the hotel driveway, put your flashes on, and just walked into the lobby and been like, I use the phone and call her and tell her, I'm at this hotel. Oh, and then that's like two birds with one stone. And they're not going to tow your car if you just like pull in. You don't say, I'm not a guest. They think you're a guest.

That's a great idea because then my car is there. I might get in touch with her. Even if they say, sorry, sir, you can't call? Then I still accomplish. But like, if you walk into a hotel and you like say, can I just like bar, can I just call somebody? I'm going to say no. Like that.

Like that a lot. And you could just go in strong and be like, I'm room 212. Like, can I just borrow. Sure. Yeah. I mean, just lie. Just lie. I hadn't considered this. The guy also could have been like, yeah, give me her number. I'll text her. Meanwhile, you leave and circle back.

Yeah, that would have been fine. I think if I were in his shoes, because I am a nice person, I would have told him, I would have told myself in this scenario, just pull over here where you're out of the way. Like, and, you know, just like acknowledge that I'm doing you a favor. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Especially nobody came in and out of there while I was like, 10 yards further ahead.

But it all worked out fine. And I'm not trying to, like, everyone should know, like, I am very respectful of the service industry. I've never been one to, like, take advantage of people in the service industry. That's not what this is. I put up a poll.

67% of people think E.J. was wrong. Oh, wow. I got to own that. I got to take it. I don't know that you were wrong. But you're doing a thing that, listen, we all do this. you're playing the game. Yeah.

You know you're going to have to be asked. It's like when you're waiting at the airport. Yeah. Some guys, if you're waiting too long, some guy's going to come over and tell you to move, they're going to pull up one like little group further. It's fine.

Yeah. You're not hurting it. It's a victimless thing. Exactly. It was totally a victimless thing. Yeah. I, wrong,

maybe wrong to like call this guy a jerk if I had actually called him a jerk to his face. Yeah. Which I didn't because, again, I'm not confrontational, push over millennial, well documented.

Yeah. I think, I think whoever said everyone sucks here. He said that if you would do it again, you would say, what are you going to do, make me move? Well, I do think, like, I could, that was an option for me. And I think that was actually a good option.

Like, what are you going to do if I sit here for two more minutes? Like, you're going to call the cops over this? I don't know. We both thought I wasn't going to do that. Never in a million years when I do that. Moved up the 69% wrong. 69%? Wrong?

Oh, wait, they're even more emboldened now. You know the other crazy thing that happened related to transportation on the trip. We'll probably find out in Lindsay Todd. This is a good overtime topic actually because it might be controversial. Oh wow. So sitting across the aisle from us on our flight home, we had a connecting flight through Austin, so we're flying from Austin. Do you even know who Chris Harrison is? The Bachelor guy? Yeah. Oh, canceled. It was on Juneteenth. I feel like I should call American Airlines.

Like, really? This guy on Juneteeth? I realize at the very end of the flight, too. That's who he was? Yeah, that's who he was Juneteenth. Yeah, no, I knew it was Junete. That that's who was sitting across from us. That was funny.

Are you in first class? I'm not going to comment. Oh, because I don't think that guy's front. He's not, yeah, he's not flying. Coach, you're right. I don't know he might be pinched as much. pennies now he's not in that bachelor franchise anymore yeah but he's got appearances to keep up he thinks he's a first class kind of guy he yeah that's the problem i think he's doing okay now um

people who who listen to the higher learning podcast you know if you're going to listen to the ringers podcast network you should listen to the ringers really special but higher learning is also excellent um and they call chris harrison soup kitchens because like he had to like work in the soup kitchens when he got canceled by The Bachelor. Oh, really? So they called him like soupy. That's funny. So I say to Julia like, look over there.

It's Chris Harris. And then she looks back and means she goes, soup kitchens. That's very funny. Yeah. But yeah, anyway, it's good to be back. Happy to be back. Not dealing with mean, tyrannical parking attendance anymore.

Yeah. I promise my quick movie reviews. Oh, yeah. Let's hear them. Last week saw two movies in theater. Okay. Finally saw obsession. We'll go spoilers free here, but, you know, if you've seen the movie.

Is it spooky? Oh, yeah, this is not a movie for you. I'm out. I thought it was good. Okay. It didn't quite rise to the level of, like, penetrating the zeitgeist and all everybody's that are talking about that I thought. But the performance by the star was fantastic.

Out. Awesome. Okay. So Disclosure Day. Real movie. A real movie. Imperfect, but yeah, that's a nice Spielberg blockbuster. That was fun.

Emily Blunt's in this movie. Yeah. I like Emily Blunt. But the movie I saw this weekend. Oh. At home. At home. With, with my son and Rachel.

Movie from 2022 or 2023. Okay. Duns into Dragons. Honor Among Thieves. Hmm How did this movie not make a billion dollars? What a great movie Yeah

Better than any Marvel movie they've ever made Except for maybe Black Panther Okay, Black Panther is my favorite The perfect Better than the Avengers Better, oh yeah Avengers get out of here Really?

Oh, this movie was great It had everything Very funny lines Some good chase set people Yeah? Did you cry? Captured the spirit of the game itself? Okay. Loved it. Did you cry during the movie? No, I didn't cry. Okay. That's not a prerequisite for a great movie for you?

No, it's not a prerequisite. Okay. Also, he, my son, it loves Dungeons and Dragons and he was, he, watching it with him was, was the best part. You know, he would pause and explain some lore to me. Oh, that's fun. But more than that, the movie was great. I'm gonna have to check yourself. I don't understand why that movie didn't, didn't make a hundred, like, you know, $800 million. You would think... It's crazy.

You would think that Dungeons and Dragons is like it's having a moment because of Stranger Things too. So, you know, I was going to say like, well, maybe people don't like Dungeons and Dragons, but I'll check this out. I'm going to watch this. It's going to be tough with World Cup, and I will find the time. Yeah. So now he just...

There's one particular scene that's really, really funny that he keeps just replaying. Great stuff. That's got to be cool for you, like him pausing the movie to explain. something to you. I'm the fool. Great stuff. All right. That'll do it for this episode

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