PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Do Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles need to get more pass-heavy?

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

The 2025 Philadelphia Eagles are one of two teams in the NFL with a 4-0 record, and they have done it against a difficult slate of opponents. Everything is great, right? Well, Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles offense has been up-and-down. A.J. Brown and Devonta Smith are having quiet seasons (and sending out cryptic tweets), while Saquon Barkley and the Eagles offensive line are not hitting the long runs we saw in the 2024 Super Bowl season. Should the Eagles throw more? Rich Hofmann and Jamie Lynch discuss. Bo Wulf also sits down with ESPN’s Mina Kimes. And Vinny Curry joins to discuss Vic Fangio’s defense potentially turning a corner. It’s all on the PHLY Eagles Podcast! Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody. Happy Wednesday. My name is Rich Hoffman, and I am here with Jamie Lynch. Coming to you from the Xfinity Mobile Studio and presenting to you, the P-H-L-Y Eagles show presented by Bet365 and Ashley Furniture. Come on in, everybody, James. The Eagles are 4-0, but we still got a lot of stuff to talk about. Same as it ever was.

How you doing, my friend? I'm doing great. I mean, the birds are 4-0. that's all that matters, Rich. There's nothing else that could possibly be up in Eaglesland. They're four and no, life is good. We're the defending Super Bowl champions. What's no problems?

Everything's good. There are no problem. Yeah. Anyway, James, I will say coming off that game the other day, I feel pretty darn good about the defense. Like, yeah. Not perfect yet. I think there are things that they're going to need to fix.

But there are a lot of reasons, I think, for optimism with this proof. on the defensive side. I had a lot of fun watching that, them play defense. I mean, they gave up the two absolutely killer long plays, but those were rookie mistakes as Fran Estab. I was just going to say over the past few days. It's MacGhahad. Rookie gun a rookie.

Yeah. It's September. Did you hear Uncle Vic at his press conference yesterday? He quoted the great Bud Grant of the Minnesota Vikings of the Purple People Eaters, I think. I don't even know if he was the purple people eaters. It sounds right. He was the Minnesota.

of Vikings coach forever ago. And basically what Bud Grant said is that for every rookie that you're playing, just add a loss to your record. And Vic said, well, I don't necessarily agree with that, but it kind of seems like if you volunteered that quote, you do kind of believe that a little bit. But anyway, the Eagles were able to overcome the two big rookie mistakes. Anyway, I think with the way the back seven played in that game,

the tools at Vick's disposal, the presence of Vic in general, I'm feeling pretty darn good about what this defense will be down the line. And I'm feeling pretty good about them right now, honestly. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot to be encouraged by Jihad Campbell, you know, is probably better than I expected them to be at this point. I think Drew McCuba, are we, have we settled on Drew? Because I still, I feel like people go back and forth here. Well, it's weird because some of the Eagle secondary players call him Andrew.

But he has said that he wants to be called Drew. And I think that's good enough for me. Yeah. I think in the locker room, Cooper and Reed said that he's called Drew. So we'll go with Drew McCuba. I mean, by the way, Bud Grant was the purple people. Yeah. Just want to get that.

And Reed Blankenship almost made an incredible play on that McCuba mistake. Like he came from across the field and missed it by, you know, a sliver there. So look, our 70-yard home run play is going to happen on this defense all the time? No, they're not. I think the concern is obviously maybe the defensive edge pressures. But then to counter that, Jalen Kar, kind of coming in the form and Ojamo is, you know, up there amongst top pressures in the NFL amongst D tackles. He's quietly having a very successful start to the year. So I think

there's a lot to feel good about your linebackers are incredible. Zach Bonn is just like one of the greatest findings in Eagles history. And then we'll get when is the last time by the way, do you think that the Eagles linebacking room, their position was this good starters? Was the best group on the team probably. Well, I think Cooper and Quinyan would like a word with you on that one. Well, they have another guy in their room that has to play everything. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Nice work by Kili. It seemed like Vic did a nice job scheming with, uh, with Quinyon on egg buca the whole game. I hope I'm saying that right. I'm sorry if I'm scrimmed out. Eggs egg buca.

Yeah. Yeah. Uh, fuka and then egg buca. Yeah. Yeah. How do you like your eggs? Because me and Boe on Sunday on game day, we're doing a whole eggs, egg buca thing. Sure.

I like him scrambled. scrambled? We were both over medium guys. Oh, interesting. And you know what? It's a sneaky good egg? The poach. Sure.

On some toast? It's delightful. Jamie, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but when was the last time that the Eagles? Let's get some thumbs up for the eggs talk, huh? Probably never, Rich. Like, honestly. I was thinking Set Joyner and Byron Evans.

I don't really have an cyclopedic. But during those times wasn't Reggie? Like, Reggie existed. Piedonins, right? Yeah, like the D-Ns were probably better than the linebackers. The Eagles probably have, and we'll get to Nacobi Dean, who's just going to make this an embarrassment of riches. I mean, they probably have arguably the best linebacking room in the NFL.

Is it their best position group on the defense? I mean, it's right there neck and neck with Quinnion and Cooper. I'm saying the team. Yeah, yeah, I'm saying of the position groups on the team, it's neck and neck. I would say cornerbacks the only other one. well, Ojimo's playing great and Carter. That's pretty formidable too.

They're all, to your point, this defense is fun. Like, there's a lot of good players on this team. I guess you would give Jihad and Zach probably a slight lead over D-Tackle and cornerback. Well, especially because Jihad, now, in fairness, Quinyan and Koup, they're not done improving for sure. I mean, Quinyan, it does seem like he is getting to the top levels of the cornerback position around the league already.

But you would assume Jahad in particular, he's starting to diagnose things better. He's going to get the player that we're going to see in Jehad Campbell in November is going to be so much better than the guy that we're seeing right now. So I'm very excited to see that progression. Look, I mean, this Eagles defense, it's, I don't know if it's still the case, but I read a Mike Sando article in the athletic a few weeks ago. Youngest snap adjusted defense in the league. And they just put Keely in.

Yeah. for a dory so i'm sure that's going to improve that you have the rookies making a few mistakes macuba that was a bad play like like he's he's got to stay over the top of that route yeah i understand that it's a clear out route and he's getting a little bit aggressive he thought baker was going to try and fit that ball in there but that's the type of mistake you can't have uh from the safety position okay i'm still if that you can live with that that's the eagle's biggest issue like he's got to fix that over the next few months but i i assume he will um the other thing jami is that this is they're getting destroyed by penalties.

Yeah. Over the first few games. So if they clean that up a little bit, I actually think they'll be better. I mean, I thought it was also funny that Uncle Vic was like, man, I'm pretty sick of these new K-balls that are just flying. He's like, we gave up a 58 and 65-yarder the other day. That's ridiculous. Yeah.

I mean, he said it's changed the game and it has. He brought up Brandon Aubrey. He's like a 70-yarder is going to happen in the league this year. That's crazy to think about because I remember when they were trying the 60-yarder, and Burkhard came right on and they were like, well, his career long is a 58 yarder. And I was like,

what the hell are they trying a 65 yarder for? Well, Uncle Vic knows. They got juice balls. So the old rule was you would only, the team would only get contact with the kicking balls, I think an hour before the game time. So, you know, Tom Brady made this famous.

You know, they like to work the balls and get it to where they like it, whatever it is. It's a great imagery here. Yes. But now the team with the kicking balls has access to the, the balls all week. And I swear, I'm trying to have this conversation as a mature adult,

and I do not mean the immaturity that's coming off. But the team has, so the kickers get to manipulate the balls, work with the balls, massage the balls all week long. It's not happy about that. No, Vic hates it. And I kind of get it. Like a 70-yard field goal should not really be on the table. I mean, I guess it's cool and impressive, but it does change the game pretty dramatically. Just another time where Vic has a disagreement with Howie Roseman, because the Eagles were one of the teams that petitioned for this rule. And by the way, the Eagles reasoning on that was actually pretty understandable.

They just were like, look, you only got the ball 90 minutes before the game. And they basically were like, we have our equipment guys, like just running around like crazy in the locker room trying to, I'm going to say, massage the balls, whatever the heat up the balls. I mean, I think that was one thing they would do. they would heat the balls and like take like literally like I believe I've heard this that you know like hair dryers and stuff yeah and they would try to get it to a place where they felt comfortable and now you have all week to do that and in a multi-billion dollar industry they said okay this is a little bit of a ridiculous process that we have going on here maybe there's a happy media maybe you give it to them at 6 am on the day of right because sure I mean the kicking is pretty crazy right now okay so we feel pretty good about the defense and we're going to have a conversation a little bit later about Nico Dean, who is back today. Incredible.

But am I the only one that didn't expect him this early? I thought he was much later in this season. I thought so too, but we'll sort of discuss on where he fits. It's great to see. We're all fans of Nikobi Dean, both the player and the guy, I would say here. But now it is time for the big deal presented by Cherry Hill Jeep. And Jamie, that is Nick Siriani's September record, record is incredible. Do you have a guess on what the September?

Now, this is year five. So we're looking at roughly 20 games. 20 games. Now, in fairness, a couple of these games. Year five already, that's kind of wild. Include the first week of October. I just did the first month. There are a few games that are, you know, October 3rd, October 5th.

So we're taking the first four games. So 20, I'm going to say, I'm trying to think back to the start of the years. he started strong every single year. Let's go, 17 and 3. 17 and 3 is close. It's a little strong. 16 and 4.

15 and 5. All right. Still pretty damn good. They went 1 and 3 in his first year when... Well, we expected them to be a last place team that year. When the Eagles were not as good. But, I mean, man, what a start. I mean, three years with 4 and 0 records out of the gate,

it's just, it's rare to get off to, a start like this and the Eagles have done it pretty consistently. There's a nice picture there by Ethan of Nick Scally at his 50s. He's looking at that one in three and he's like, that's not me. Yeah. So, you know,

look, that was during the seed planning days, right? He was still growing his plant. Well, he's growing that record, man. Yeah.

So, you know, three, four and no months after that. That's pretty impressive. I mean, after Sunday, he moved into fourth all time and winning percentage for all NFL coaches.

Like, that's wild. I keep waiting for this team to have a bad month. So he moves down the list, right? Because if you lose a couple games, you sort of move away from the, I forget the names that are up there. I think it is like Vince Lombardi. John Madden, Vince Lombardi,

and then there's one old-timey guy that I forget. But they never have those weeks. They just keep winning and winning and winning. And we're getting to a point where Nick Siriani with a certain number of games is going to be the winningest coach of all time, which, by the way, I would completely welcome. it would be a heck of a heck of a move. I mean, it's almost 72% of the games he wins,

which is wild. Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about the offense. Franklin Delano Bluth says in the chat. Paul Brown. Yeah. Is the fourth.

Visionary coach. Yeah. Okay. James, let's talk about the offense. Very up and down, I think is fair to say, right? The Rams game, the second half was just Jalen in, Need to pass situations playing one of the best halves of his career. And then they back it up with the first half against Tampa Bay,

where I thought the script was absolutely beautiful. Jalen against the Blitz, absolutely shredded it. Petulow in the red zone. He was getting his Andy Reid on. I loved your tweet on Sunday with the old school. It was such an old picture that Andy Reid was wearing the Reebok was the sponsor of the league back then. But your tweet was like,

is this guy calling plays in the red zone for the for the birds and it was old andy and it did feel like that but jami they're still one of the most run heavy teams in the league right and i i do feel like there are stretches when they get all these three and outs by the way they also have the highest percentage of three and outs in the league as well where they just don't have the superpower that they had last year when last year they were able to run the ball even when the defense knew it was coming and now they can't do that and i do wonder if if there has to be a little bit of a course correction here, at least for the next month or so,

obviously what you turn into in December, that's still a long way away. But they might actually need to throw the ball a little bit more here to set up that running attack because they're not getting the same type of push. And it's, look, this is not a shot at Jeff Stoutland and the offensive line. Like I think Landon Dickerson is really banged up right now.

Yeah. And that's part of the reason they're struggling to get the running game going. But with all these condensed sets, all the heavy personnel that they have. I do think they need to become a little bit more of a past heavy offense, which is a little ironic because like, look, they're not passing the ball that great right now. I'm advocating for something with their receivers that has not been consistent, I would say, so far this year.

Yeah, I brought this up to EJ and Bo on Sunday, actually. I was like, do the Eagles need to pass to open up the run? Because obviously, we all know what Sequan did. I think the passing game problems are multi-angangelo. right now. Sure. Like one, I think your point

about the offensive line is fair. Lane Johnson's clearly beat up. Dickinson isn't himself right now. He's playing through pain and injured. I would love to see them be off. The Thursday, I don't want them playing on death life field anyway. Crazy Malik neighbors with a nation two.

But Juergens is coming off surgery. Dickerson's coming off of surgery. Right guard is kind of, there's been some change there a little bit because of injury. Lane Johnson's hurt. So the offensive line is in itself. think that affects the passing game. Kevin Petulow, new offensive coordinator.

There's a learning curve. There's a get comfortable period. I think that's probably affecting the passing game. AJ Brown's coming off a hamstring injury. He's probably not at 100%. That affects the passing game. Jalen Hertz, while we all agree, is processing probably at his best of his career. Maybe he's not throwing those balls up and letting his guys make plays as much as he should.

Maybe that's an element of it. So I think there's a lot of elements of why. and then there's the running game. Like teams aren't, Sequan's not getting that runway he had last year. And I think it's natural when you have a running back that touched the ball over 500 times last year, that a slow start is kind of to be expected.

So I think there's a lot of, but yes, I agree with you ultimately. I'd love to see the passing game be why the running game opens and kind of balance each other that way, whereas opposed to last year, I think it was the running game. It's the opposite.

Yeah, that opened up the passing game. The beauty of this team is they're so talented on so many levels. I'm not worried ultimately about this being figured out. I think they'll get there soon enough. I think that's right. But yeah, it just has not been the same for Sequin in terms of success rate,

in terms of hitting those big plays. And it was something that was predictable. I think if we had this conversation and we did have this conversation in July and August, you say, oh, I mean, Seekwon had 2,000 yards. It's only been done nine times in NFL history. Clearly, the running game is going to take a step back. and then you have a month like this and you're like, oh, well, not like this, you know,

but it was to be expected a little. And they're 4 and 0, which is, you know, there are problems. Like anybody that watches this team right now goes, yeah, there's some problems with it. And they're still winning. And they're winning versus high quality opponents. Like, this has not been an easy start to the year. So if they do figure it out, the rest of the NFL should be kind of concerned because, I mean, you could be, you're probably looking at, you know, a team that has a really good

chance of getting back to the big stage again. I'm of two minds with the point differential thing because we learned a couple of years ago that that does matter at a point. Like if you just play coin flip game after coin flip game every week and there isn't like any rhyme or reason to why you're winning, it's just, ah, they make the big place. That's going to catch up to you at something. Sure. We learned that in 2023.

The Eagles, I believe, have a plus 20 point differential on the season and it would only be 14 if Jordan Davis would have fallen on that football. Thank God he didn't fall in football. man. We had a great moment. Great moment and the point differential got juiced a little bit. But like you said, they have played a hard schedule. Yeah. When you look at the teams that they have played their records against everybody

against the Eagles compared to like what the bills have played against so far, they have played against winning football teams. I think it's nine, two, and one is what everybody else has been in. If Dallas would have won last week, that would have been, that would have been 10 and 2. So anyway, Eagles have played a tougher schedule. Yeah. in the early going. I'm excited to see these guys figure it out.

Yeah, there are some issues with the passing game. Sure. But we're saying this, we come in peace here. We're not, you know, we're not like being hypercritical here. We're just saying they're going to have to figure a few things out, but I'm excited to see how they try it. Okay. Bo and E.J.

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Great Mina Kimes from ESPN, Bowen EJ. Talk to Mina. They asked her about where the Eagles rank in the NFC. A bunch of talk about the Eagles defense as well. And we are going to play that interview right after we hear from a few of our friends. Jamie, the other day, I was over at a friend's house. And, you know, he was really pumped to watch football. But his setup, it was a total mess.

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All right. Every other Wednesday, you know what time it is. We are very happy to be joined by. Mina Kimes of ESPN. Mina, how are you? I'm great. Good to see you. Thank you for joining us.

And as we are here in Philadelphia, it is the same as it always is. The team is doing very well, and it is also extremely dramatic. But we're going to leave the offense for later. I want to start with the defense. And I want to know from your perspective, as good as the 2024 Eagles defense was,

how do they look to you as a whole? And do you think that they can potentially reach that same level this year? They look great. I think it's interesting because I think that the 2024 offense was playing so well and felt so complete at the end of the year. I think it would be irresponsible to say, and like they're as good right now. But I think by the end of the year,

it's totally realistic that they could be the best defense in the, it may be already, but unequivocally. You know, I think it's funny because so much of the second half of, you know, what happened against Tampa really felt like it was more about the offense. But you did see some issues spring up with the defense. And we have seen certain offenses capable of attacking their weaknesses. And I don't think the pass rush is quite there. But, you know, just the superstars are playing like superstars. I mean, right now, and it was the case in this game, too, what Quinnia Mitchell and Cooper Jeanne are doing on the back end is just.

just like unbelievable to me. So you feel really good about the defense and I think maybe the trajectory that they're on is how I would put it. Let's do. Go ahead. I wanted to ask you about Quinnian and Cooper. But first, I mean, come on, Bo. We got to let Mina take the victory lap on Jihad Campbell.

They had two takeaways against the bucks. Like, I feel like, I feel like she coined this. So I feel like this is, you don't understand what the word coined the means. We got to clear it out and let me to take the victory lap here. No, I love watching him every week. I mean, and it is just, I think watching Jihad, you see growth too every week. And there's, you know, he gets targeted at times. He gave up big play.

You know, there's going to be moments where he has his rookie moments. But then you just, the talent is so obvious. The, I would say, versatility jumps off the screen, the athleticism. And the, you know, football IQ, because he's got a lot on his plate. But Zach Bonn, I would say, do I feel comfortable saying he's the best lineback in the NFL? I got to think about that. But his play through the first four weeks is so unbelievable that I think when I watch him, it's ridiculous. I think what strikes me is I'm just so happy that Jahad Campbell is an eagle because he gets to be the Robin to Zach Bond's Batman.

And it's such a good place for a rookie quarterback. And you see him take advantage of his opportunities when they arise. but I'm just so delighted that he gets to play in this defense, in this role with that linebacker. And you got to see them sort of change roles in this last game. Vic sort of went against what he had done in the first three weeks with Zach Bond being the one to come forward and leaving Jahad in coverage. So that like multiplicity with the two of them, you're already starting to see it.

And I think that that is part of the comparison of last year's defense to this year's defense is that they are already different stylistically. And it's nice that you can trust. trust Vic that like it's it's such a coaching thing to say well you know know your personnel we we we're going to do what's best for the players and most of the time that that sort of rings hollow and with vick like you really see it and you see it in for instance the pass rush which has not been very good the base pass rush they've only got five sacks on the season three of them have come from the blitz and all of a sudden Vic is creating these games up front because he knows he has to sort of figure

stuff out for an edge group that is that is not getting after the quarterback Yeah, I think that when I talk about, say that the Eagles potential weakness is popping up, you know, the pass rush has been, obviously Nolan Smith being absent hurts, but it has been a little bit overwhelming. Jomo had a great moment in this last game,

but it definitely, I would say that and obviously cornerback too, which Tampa just was not capable of attacking, you're going to face offenses that are capable of attacking that. So I think, yeah, when I think about like this defense and comparing them year to year, those are the two areas that jump out to me.

I was really impressed by the game, though, in this last game. I thought they really gave Tampa hell with those six one fronts and some of the five down fronts as well. And so that was, I think if I had three questions, it was kind of like, okay, run defense, pass Russian and then quarterback two. And run defense really rose to the occasion in this last game. And then as for Quinyan, I do want to circle back there, because if you're deciding whether Zach Bonn is the best linebacker in football

in your mind, how close is Quinyon to being in that conversation in a game this weekend? and where he'll go up against Patrick Sartan. Yeah, he is, at this point he's an all pro, so let's start there. But the combination of him and Dijin is absolutely ridiculous. It felt like every pass was good. I think I was grabbing this after the game. So Baker had a 35% tight window throw rate,

which I'm pretty sure is the highest in any game, any quarterback has played this season. Okay. And it is just because of those two. I mean, it's absolutely absurd. And the thing about Quinnian, to go back to him for a second, is we've also like seen him tested, right? Like Devante, he's gone up against really good.

Agbuka's really good, like really good receivers. And the fact that he's putting up these numbers and blanking some of the best receivers in the NFL, there's no doubt in my mind. He belongs in the conversation for Best Corner in the league right now. Big words. All right. It's time to switch to the offense, Mena.

You've been already. You got the, you have anything left on defense? No, go ahead. Listen, we've got a lot to get to. Well, you could do the Cooper DeGine, like, oh, this is a matchup of elite corners and a white corner in this matchup. But, you know, DeGine is obviously a little better than Raleigh Moss, but no, we'll let you go. All right.

I get to play inside, though, right? We've got a lot to unpack here. But first and foremost, like, AJ Brown's social media post heard around the world, I wanted to specifically ask you as somebody who lived through Russell Wilson's era with the Seattle Seahawks. How much do you feel the, you know, potential conflict between the main characters of an organization? How much do you think that that has a tangible impact on the field? And do you feel like there are parallels between that era of Seahawks football and the Eagles currently?

Not really. I think there's probably stronger parallels with other receivers throughout the years who have kicked up a little dust every year. now and then and then you get the 10 target game the next week or whatnot. It's funny. I do feel like I have my finger on the pulse of Eagles Nation because my mother-in-law was just in town for my son's second birthday. And the first thing she says is, what's the deal with A.J. Brown? Why is you being such a cry baby?

My mother-in-law is like a real like WIP caller vibe, you know. And I said to her, you know, hey, this is just how like receivers are at some point. I think what though is a little bit alarming about them. that is it's not like he wasn't targeted, right? It's not like he was ignored in this game. It was just, and this kind of leads to a larger discussion about what's wrong with the passing offense. It just felt like predictable slash maybe conservative throws.

You know, Hurra's not wanting to put the palms away slash not being a very good game plan for how to use them. And we can break that down. But I think so like, you know, that's what sort of, I think, complicates this. It's not just like, okay, cool, throw the ball like the last game. Like, oh, right, we just have. to throw to him. It's like, no, we actually have to also figure out not just, it's not just a binary.

Is he involved or is he not? It's how is he involved? Are we actually scheming him open or is it just hey, AJ win one on one every time? Because that to me is a problem. So I want this, this is a perfect segue into the next thing that I feel like we spent a lot of time talking about like just throw the ball to AJ Brown. It can be that simple. But I do think we saw them try that on that one series against where they threw it to him three times in a row on stop routes and comeback routes. And it's kind of like terrible possession that was. There needs now the next step is like how can you do it with imagination with creativity? Is there like if I told you like you get to write a letter to Kevin Petullo and it's a week

five resolution on how to feature AJ Brown? Like is there an example across the league where it's like this is what you can do to get a wide receiver of his caliber open create space for him get the ball into his hands? So I mean, is there an example that comes to mind? There's a few. I was just watching the Falcons tape, and I thought they did a really good job of featuring Drake London, who obviously has some similarities to Brown this week.

Not saying Brown needs to be aligned in the slot as much as London. He's kind of like their power slot, right? But I think he's a good example. Thinking about some big receivers I've seen running out of bunch formations over the last few weeks. And I think I actually meant to look this up. And maybe you guys can tell me, but I was thinking like some of the RPO concepts

that they've used in the past feel like that to me would add to, especially like so the Bucksoff defense, first of all, I think the Bucks corners are like sneaky good. So I just want to throw that out there. They're really young. They're like two young corners are really good. I think they're better than the Rams corners to go back to the last week answer.

Right. You know, second half of this game, Todd Bulls is a really good defensive coach. whatever you think about him as a game manager and a conservative, whatever, that dude knows how to call defense. And he very, if anything, maybe took a little too long, but he switched the strategy. I don't know why more defenses don't zone blitz Jalen Hertz.

And don't lean on like replacement pressures and Sims and some of the stuff he was throwing at them. But the net of it is, you know, if a defense is going to do that, you have to have zone answers to get your receiver open. And it felt like too low had nothing, right? like it almost looked like they were like, oh, whoa, they're not man blitzing. Right, they're not doing exactly what they did in the first half. So I do think he probably bears the most, you know, Jalen missed some throws and hold on to the

ball a couple of times, but I do think he bears probably the most responsibility for what happened in the second half. So you have to find ways to, you know, get A.J. Brown in space. It's not just, hey, man, like go beat your guy one on one. And, you know, I think the Rams with Nekua are really. good at that and Adams as well. Well, that's to me, I think there's a case to be made that the path to getting AJ more space is using Devante more creatively and using Devante a little bit more

in the Pook and Akua role because he is the guy who can play everywhere. It has been kind of, you know, a skeleton key for them in the past to play Devante in the slot. He's so good there. And if you move him around, then if defenses are adjusting to that, then potentially that opens things up for AJ to be a little bit less of the, the, the only priority for defenses. Yeah, it's a great analog because, right, like the Rams are so good at motioning their receivers in a way where then through those motions, they create leverage and space for their other receivers.

As opposed to the Eagles motions. The Eagles motions are so like, like walk the dog a couple of spots. I mean, it's ridiculous. I'm sure without looking that Stafford is either the best or second best quarterback against zone coverage in the NFL, in part because of this reason. and actually his numbers do drop off pretty significantly against man. They're not bad, but Sean McVeigh is just so good at exploiting zone coverage in a way that we just haven't seen the Eagles been in terms of like deploying their receivers. So yeah, I think that's a good point about Devante Smith.

Yeah, have you guys like looked at the RPO stuff by the way? Because I meant to like grab that and go back and track some of it. I haven't seen it, but it definitely anecdotally, it feels like it is not as much of a cornerstone of the offense into. your point about the zone stuff. Like that used to be their zone beater. It used to be like the great paradox of the Eagles is you can't play man. Right. They got AJ Brown and then Jalen Hertz will be able to take off.

You can't have the zone coverages because of the RPO stuff. It feels like that's really gone away this year. I thought Goddard too. In the first half, he was really a good answer for them. And I thought in the second half is the when the bucks shifted their defensive strategy. It's like, okay, cool. Let's just take those like little completions to Goddard over the middle of the field. And it didn't feel like that was an answer there.

And play action has also been bizarrely, not only extremely low often, that's a good sentence, but also they've been bad at it. And so if you're going to be the team that's just running the ball against the wall, it feels like you should be able to pull the play action switch pretty easily and pop something down field. And that just has not been the case. Yeah. The running too, obviously, is like the big part of all of this, right? Like the elephant in the room is just the run game has not been either a physical.

or explosive, which is not a great combination. And to my eye, a lot of, I mean, mostly it's just blocking, like, but, and some of that is obviously due to injuries, but I think that they have to figure out a way to create more room for Sequin, maybe just, you know, spread things out for him because he's getting contacted behind the line of scrimmage, but he actually looks fine to me. Yeah. It gets to the open field. I'm not seeing, I thought maybe this eagle, oh, Seekwon carried the ball a million times

last year, maybe we'll see some regression on his part. But for me, it appears to be much more his blocking. It feels like the offensive line is actually the one that like the wear and tear seems to be really be affecting. Like Landon Dickerson banged up, Cam Juergens potentially banged up, Lane Johnson, in and out of the lineup. It's like it feels like the attrition happened up front and set it in the backfield. And I think Fran Duffy, our excellent analyst has said this too.

But there's, you're starting to see just a tiny bit of Stakewan's bad habits with the giants of like, you know, playing behind a bad offensive line, not fully trusting what's there. Just, just like a tiny scoge of that starting to happen. And that's what happens when you have bad blocking. But I have more faith that the running game will get sorted out than that the passing game is going to all of a sudden, you know, be this dynamic thing. I would, so I was just starting my matchup report for obviously really good game, really good defense you're going up against. And I think, you know, the Broncos are just, they're very sound against the run. And so I'll be interested in seeing how that pans out. That defensive

line is obviously terrifying. We would really love to see. This was one of the first things I wrote down. Seguan as a pass catcher to me is big in this game. Broncos defense cannot defend running. This was a piece of them. Yeah, this is a big problem for them last year. They go out and they signed Dre Greenlaw. He has not played. You can really attack their linebackers in space. This was again, like, I'm pretty sure they're dead last in EPA per play on throws to running backs. Colts killed them with Jonathan Taylor through the air. So if I'm, if I'm Philly, um, anticipating by the way, you know, they're going to play less man than their usual, Vance Joseph is no dummy.

He watches stages like us. I don't think the Broncos are going to come out and just man blitz Jalen, um, but they will play some man coverage and those linebackers are really vulnerable in space. So I'd really like to see Sequine get used a lot here. I did. I forgot that we have, we have, we have Dre Greenlaw coming back to the link. Big Dom. Rematch with big Tom.

I don't, yeah, I don't think he's like. play. Yeah, but yeah, maybe a little sideline. What else do we need to know about this Eagles Broncos matchup from your eyes? Yeah. So, you know, like I said, the defense, I think that they're going to mix things. Actually, they mix things up, too, against Jake Browning and the Bengals. The Bengals' response was just to throw 30 fades at Riley Moss, which I don't think,

is the, I do think that I do think that they're going to play. some man. But like I said, I think they're probably going to zone blitz him a lot. So I think our discussion earlier about like, where are the answers in that game? How do you get Jalen Hurts involved? Where is the RPO game? Really, RPO's to me could be a pretty useful answer against this Broncos defense as well. On the other side of the ball, I've been really underwhelmed by this Broncos offense to the first four weeks. I know they just had a better game against the Bengals defense, but respectfully. So we need to get into it, right? defense um yeah the bonnicks the offense is like pretty um you know they boot him out a ton um they ran

the ball better last week but often with this eagles defense it comes down to do you have the wide receiver depth to attack the corner two problem i don't think Denver does candidly um so i think that they'll be okay i i have a lot of confidence as eagle's defense against this broncos offense anything else um i was going through like our silly stuff from this week i don't think anything Yeah, nothing rises to the table. Is there, if you're just thinking big picture, like, given the angst of this four and out team, is there, is there another team in the conference? So you think is like a true contender? I forgot.

I was asked about this. I went on a Packers pod. And, you know, I think the Eagles are in their own tier. And then you're probably putting Lions, Packers and who's the other team? The Rams I would put in that third tier. I mean, you saw that firsthand. The Rams offense is terrifying there right now. But no, I think for what I feel my kind of gut feeling is that the defense is good enough to carry the offense through some ups and downs, which, hey, sounds a lot like last season, right?

The first half of last season. So we'll see if they figure things out. I think I'm very, like my eye is on Kevin Petulow in this one. I want to see him bounce back from what I thought was a pretty bad second half last week. Petulow in your sights. Tulo watch. And yeah, and apparently all the in-laws as well. So yeah.

Thank you so much, Mina. We will talk to you in two weeks. Thanks, Mina. Great to see you guys. Bye. All right. Back with more on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. And we're back.

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a let bygones be be bygones type of thing you know maybe a nice embrace on the field that'd be nice a whole length stadium claps for uh for drake what a wild experience that was yeah and it was when the uh the eagle season went downhill i actually have a yeah i had a good big dom interaction a couple weeks ago did you where well the eagles so i'm back covering these games and yes getting audio and video for us a little bit and the eagles they have a new uh like a face scanning technology. Oh, yeah, yeah. They only allow.

I'm surprised Bo's on board with that. He's not. Well, I mean, he doesn't have to go to the game. So he probably would be throwing a fit. Anyway, since I have not been there for a while, it never works with me. Like, I have the credential that says I'm allowed in the locker room. But the face scanning technology,

it never picks me up the same way it does a lot of the other beatwriter. So I was trying to explain to the security guard outside the locker room. Like, hey, like, this doesn't work. I promise you, like, it's going to go all. red. It's not going to work. And Big Dom was on his phone and he was like, he's good. He can get in there. And he just kept walking the other way.

Nice. You've been blessed by Big Dom. Dom, you're good with me, my friend. That's awesome. He's good. Okay. Jamie, I did want to get, before we get to Vinny, I did want to talk about Nikobe Dean. The Eagles. How about this? What a pleasant surprise. They activated

Nikobe's practice window today. That baby is wide open. They shoved it. Nikovi's taking a look outside the window and that means he can practice for three weeks before being activated. I was going to say there's absolutely no reason to rush him back one because we talked about how good the linebacking room is

but after the Broncos, it's MetLife field. I don't want him stepping foot on that field even if he was ready. So three weeks from now sounds about perfect that I'm getting to some practice kind of cardio shape. I guess the question is and there's Nekobi. He's back and what a great year last year.

It was such a bummer when he got hurt at the end of the year. You know, a really, really great year. You know, it was an underrated, awesome play that, I mean, obviously, when you win a Super Bowl, there are so many great things that happen along the way. Nkobie's interception against the Jags to seal that game. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, it was.

And the team clearly loves the dude. Aside from just like the Georgia element and knowing half the defense, I think he's one of the team teammates' favorite guys. So this is a great thing. I guess the conversation rich becomes, what do they do? Because they kind of have an embarrassment of riches now with Jihad Campbell,

Zach Bond, who Mina Kimes just said might be the best linebacker in the league. If he's not, he's one of the two tests. And we're talking about the elite elite level. Yeah. What do you do? Do you do some of those sub packages for Jihad at Edge Rusher

where you're weak now with no Nolan Smith? I don't know, but I'm very curious to see what they're going to do with this when when Nkobi is back to, you know, full health. Jamie, you read my mind. And I am going to be very curious what Vick does with NCOBY because for a while there, I just assumed it's unfortunate,

but he's going to get Wally Pipped because NFL teams really only play two linebackers. The Eagles have, I think, the best linebacker duo in the NFL. Maybe if NCOB rehabs, maybe, you know, maybe these guys get banged up a little bit. You can mix them in. Sure. in some other sub-packages.

But I do wonder with how little production you're getting from the edge rusher group. And by the way, what is going on with the edge rusher's triceps? They got a...

The Eagles have to lead the league and torn triceps, right? That's three in the last six months, or seven or eight months, not even a full calendar year. I go steps on to the field for the first time and then the triceps get torn. It's really bizarre.

Poor guy, yeah. That's got to hurt a lot. But they're the only team. in the NFL that does not have a sack from the outside linebacker slash edge rusher slash defensive end. That's not great. Now, I don't feel terrible about how that affects the entire defense because Vic can get creative and they have such good talent and versatile talent on the back end.

But I do wonder, maybe you find a way to play Nkobie and you use the versatility that Zach Bonn and Jihad Campbell both have as past rushers, as guys that can drop into coverage. Maybe that ends up being your best 11 with all three of the. those guys on the field. Now, I am a little bit worried about what Nacobi would look like immediately after returning from this. Sure. It was Torne-Betteller. That is a serious injury. We don't know that he's automatically going to be at the same level he was last year. If he is, though, if he is near that level, I do wonder if their best 11 involves those three linebackers on the field in some former fashion. I mean, I would think we'll have to see

what happens with Defensive Edge and how quickly Nolan Smith gets back here. I think, they're targeting November 10th, but I would think there's room for the three of them being on the field together, assuming Nkobie's relatively close to form from last year where, yeah, you can put Jahad or Zach maybe on an edge in some packages. It's going to be kind of on the fly exchanges if they do that, you know, on and off. And Uncle Vic will really have to be dialed in with Zach in the, you know, the packages on the field. But yeah, I would have to think the three of them being on the field right now with the lack of edge pressures they're getting. And we can talk to Vinny about this coming up is potentially one of their best, you know,

situations to be in. Yeah. No, I think that you're going to have to try and find a way to get Nicobie on the field at least a little bit. Okay, last thing before we get to Vinny real quick, because you are the Quinyan guy. Oh, my boy. NFC defensive player of the week, Quinion Mitchell. My friend, the floor is yours.

I'm just so proud of him. Quinyan, you've come a long way. You're getting your flowers and your bouquets now. You're recognized Patrick Sartain this week coming into town, said Quinyan Mitchell is one of the five best cover cornerbacks in the NFL. If you haven't watched Franz breakdown of him from Sunday, do yourself a favor. Treat yourself. Get a little cigarette, a nice glass of red wine, some bonbons, kick your feet up and just watch Q work. Because this guy is special.

He does it in every phase. Like he can close on balls quickly. He can go hip to hip with the receivers. He can high point balls in the end zone. He can stop the run. This guy's perfect. And he's ours. And he's ours for a long time.

And not only is he perfect, but Cooper de Jean might have played like as close to as impressive of it as a game on Sunday as Quinyan did. The fact that you got both of those guys in one draft, Howie, I'm all yours, man. Whatever you need. Just give me a call anytime.

Thank you. Thank you for Quinyon. The play Coup made where he turned around and almost got the interception. When you looked at the All-22 on that point, it kind of reminded me of like Ed Reed, honestly. Yeah. Just the instinctive type of play that a defensive back should not be making. Vinny said on the post-game show, and he's right.

Like Cooper Degine might be one of the most athletic dudes in the entire NFL. I mean, this tackling is just insane. Unbelievable. And Quinyon, congrats, man. Player of the week, you're getting your honors. We're all so proud of you, buddy. Okay. You mentioned Vinnie Curry.

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and I believe on the other line, we have our guy, Vinnie Curry. Not just any line, Rich, the Xfinity Mobile call in line. Oh, yeah, calling line. Look at this, Vinny. What up?

Ben, where are we right now? Man, we're in my office. This is my office. Listen to you guys, man. Great show so far, man. Appreciate it, man. Ben, I mean, it's great. I feel like we've come to you live

from like every room in your house. Yeah, yeah. We've got in the office. Yeah, this is the first in the office. Lovely wood behind you. What color is that? It's like mahogany or something. Mahogany, yeah.

A little Kobe Bryant action. You know, this child football from back of the day. That's from Ricky Waters. Ain't that crazy? That's awesome. I love Ricky Waters. Yeah, he was the man, bro. For who for what?

Yeah, when I play at you football, I tried to wear number, I tried to wear number 32. That's funny. What position did you play growing up? Were you all over the field? No, center. It was weighted football. It was a youth football was no place for big dudes back then. Vinnie, does, does Noah play in weight football?

Because I've seen him, he's tearing it up, man. Oh, yeah. Now, nowadays, there's no such thing as a weight of football. I don't think, well, at least I don't know. Well, a lot of leagues don't do weight it. It's unlimited now. So, yeah, now, yep. So you play safety in quarterback.

Oh, man. Some of those quarterback highlights, man. He's just, he's absolutely, ripping it up. Okay, Vin, we actually were just talking about that the Eagles are the only team with an edge rusher that does not have a sack on the season yet. But weirdly, like, it's not bothering me at this point because the defense is playing so well. I guess what have you made of sort of that scenario where they're not getting the traditional pass rush, maybe that you're expecting, but how Uncle Vic has sort of worked around it

and how the back seven has worked around it? Well, you know, they got a, they got one on the stack. sheet. You know, well, it's a half, maybe not a full sack, but the half. And there he is, he, he, he got a half a sack. And then this past game, when he did have opportunities to rush the pass, he was getting home, which is, you know, the split second. I think Uncle Vic, now that he's getting his legs under him, you know, for missing

training camp and stuff, I think he's going to make a big difference down the stretch for us. Vinny, is it, is it something where you think they're close and there's nothing that Vic has to do to change up, like nothing to scheme, nothing to blitz more. Are you, are you worried or do you think they're, they're just close? An opportunity will present itself here for them to start wrapping up the quarterback a little bit more. Oh, no, I think they're really, really close. Even when we was sitting there and we was there watching Baker, it was getting rid of the football like crazy, you know, which he, I guess,

Baker didn't realize that his guys was locked up. But he didn't want to create any sacks, though. And the sacks he did create, obviously, we know with the inside guys, you know, from holding on to the ball because of the great coverage. But I think those guys is really close, you know. Now, we go another two and a half games that we have in the same conversation, then that's a whole different topic. But you know, everybody knows sack comes in bunches.

All you do is you get one or two. And then next to you know it'll be five-sac game, six-sac game. So those guys are really close. Then we just talked about Quinyan Mitchell and Cooper Deghine. I mean, that was just like an outstanding game from the two of them. Like Cooper, you know, some of his tackles in the open field and Quinyan, the work he did on the outside. I think Brady was saying he was getting a little handsy on the outside, but they weren't calling it, right? And he was doing a great job against Zagbuka.

What have you seen from those two guys in year two after, you know, kind of an amazing rookie year? But it seems like they're continuing to progress and get even better. Right. I mean, Kubeb, I just think he's one of the most athletic guys in the league. What can't the guy do? At this point, I'm interested to see him, you know, run back a kick return at this point. I know I want to see it too. Like, damn, you know what I mean? And then Q, let's just be honest.

You know who Q look like this past week? He looked like a young Dary Slate, bro. He was on it, bro. Hansy, trash talking in your face, didn't care what was there. I was like, okay. You know? And, man, they look, he did. He did, man. And I know those guys are close. Man, Q is definitely, well, you knew he was going to be a household name. That's been your guy from day one. And let me just say that he's, he is bawling, bro. And like, we can't be more happy for him.

So, Vinnie, obviously the defensive edge pressures and the cornerback relationship is a monster one, right? Because if you have a quignon and a cooper locking people up, it gives you guys that extra kind of half second or second to potentially get to the quarterback. How does that play out in like the locker room? Do you guys like if Quinyon's, you know, playing the level he's playing at are Nolan and the BGs and Vinny Curries of the world? Like, hey, man, thank you. Oh, absolutely, man.

You might get a little something something in your locker after the game. Well, coming on, coming on Tuesday. Yeah, any quarterback's ever gift you a little something? No, well, sure. Or you gift them something? Absolutely. It was as all was correlation, man. You're like, depending on what you've seen to play.

And, you know, Jim used to put it into the forefront and make everybody see who created the chaos, how this happened, you know. So that's also what makes the team even closer. We will get to the rest of the Vinnie Curry interview in overtime. I guess it's not Bovertime if there's no Boe here. He's not here right. It's regular overtime. It's not Bovertime. Vinny, we were just talking about Nikobe Dean

and he's in that practice window now so he might come back in the next two or three weeks here. I guess with Jihad Campbell and Zach Bonn already playing at such a high level, how do you see Noghobi sort of fitting into the mix that the Eagles have sort of put out there for the first month? Listen, this is what we all been waiting for. We all been waiting for so they can scheme up, you know,

Jihad. So we want to see. I would like to see personally. I want to see them come off the edge a little bit, blitz them up a little bit. You know, that linebacker room where it used to be a point with like, man, we need linebackers down. You know, those, that linebacker room is like,

you got some monsters in there, you know. You got some young guys up and coming. You got obviously the goal be coming back. You know, now you can ski up different things, you know, just to help the, you know, the pass rush out a little bit. You know what I'm saying? So you want to slide to this guy, slide to that guy, you know, so it's going to be interesting to see.

Vinnie, what are you seeing from Jalen Carter? You know, Nick and Vic have both made comments that he's, he wasn't really in peak conditioning yet. He's getting close to being there. Are you seeing a guy that's disrupting games like he was last year? Do you see him being close to where he was last year? What are you seeing out of Jalen Carter in the middle so far? You know, he's young.

So it's his first time that, you know, he's the guy, so they slide to him. They're going to bump him right. You know what I'm saying? So there's a different. type of condition he has to get used to is not like he's out of shape or anything like that. He looked good to me. But it's just that different things that, you know, where he's the vocal point is just that he has to get used to it. But he's definitely old and zone, you know, obviously creating heavy for other guys.

Vinny, last one from me. I thought the defense was awesome this week, but they did give him. up two huge plays and it felt like it was the two rookies who made mistakes, which actually you know, that makes some sense, right? And as somebody who was a rookie at some point and saw a bunch of rookies play on his defenses, can you kind of

tell us what that learning curve is like, especially in the first month if you are playing sort of right away? Let me be honest. Let's be honest. Where those, the time of those plays occurred, the monkey was beaming.

It was dreaming on it back. It was hot out there. It was hot out there. So I only could imagine. They probably only saw darkness, you know, even when the place it was made. You know, and that's my opposite. You know, we can laugh about it. Obviously, we got the wind.

The defense play lights out. But, you know, that was a curve for them. It was like, woo. You know what I mean? It came out with the wind. But I think those guys would be fine. And for those to have those little mistakes with a W, we can take that. We can live with that.

So, Vinny, I unfortunately, have to ask you about AJ Brown's tweet because the post game show ended. The tweet came out two and a half hours after the game. What do you make of him kind of going to social media to maybe air some grievances that I'm sure have been tried or attempted inside the building? What does that do to a locker room? Is there a chance this brings them together? Is this something you see kind of being a problem, whether it be between Kevin and AJ, James, Jaylen and AJ. What did you make of the whole AJ Brown postgame tweet?

Really, it really didn't think too much of it. Listen, we all know this is one of the most talented football teams, you know, on paper and, you know, has they proceed to keep winning. It's just one of those situations where this is a production business, production-based business. You know, we

as fans, we're like, ah, but, you know, production-based business, you know, kind of like, damn, you know, understanding, you know, where he's at with it, you know, but, you know, he's got to, yo, he's got to get it together. He got to get the guys involved, you know what I mean, we've got to get him involved in creative ways and continue to win. Then, we all happy. All right. I think that's fair.

Vin, I think we're going to see you, what, on Sunday for post game? Oh, yeah, Sunday. The Broncos, John Peyton. Vinnie, you faced him in your career? I'm sure you did. You faced everybody. What do you make of a Sean Payton offense? And what should the Eagles kind of be on the lookout for this weekend?

I think Sean Payton is going to test our guys. You know, I think Sean Payton is going to try to impose his will with the run game first. But, you know, Denny, he'll get a little pass happy. You know, he's a good coach. You know, but that's where, that's the, this is the game right here where I think we, you know, we stand up and stand out, you know, on all three phases. For sure. I almost want them to throw at CERTAN to kind of boost Quinyan stock up.

It's like the offense doing it. Yeah, but that goes back to that tweak. I mean, we all know that Kenil corner in the league hold no damn amazing, bro. No. You know what I mean? Like, you just, but when, you know, when it's a production base, you know, when you go back to the table and they were like, hey, well, but we all know that he get careful

to AJ, so that's going to be a great one to see. So hopefully this is the week that AJ breaks out, maybe for the full game too. We've seen him break out for a half game. Yeah, basically had a full game's production in there too. Vinnie, thank you very much. We will see you on Sunday, my friend. All right, folks. Thank you all for having me.

Yeah, of course. Anytime, Vinnie, see you, buddy. There is the great Vinnie Curry on the Xfinity mobile call-in line. What a nice office. That was very nice. I just kind of like wanted to have a glass of bourbon and, like, I'm not even a big cigar guy, but the mahogany makes me want to have a cigar. The mahogany was just, I mean, it just jumped off the screen.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So we've seen a lot of Vinnie's We've got to do an MTV Cribs at Vinny's house one day. I feel like we could, I feel like if we spliced all of our segments, we would have the full. So we've seen his wine room. We've seen his gym. Now we've seen the office. We've seen his car. I think we're just missing the kitchen. Maybe we can

request a kitchen hit one week. Did you have a favorite MTV Cribs episode? Yes. Red band. Yes. The box of dollar bills on top of the fridge was incredible. I just love that. He's like, yeah, so he's my loose dollar box. He had clothes on his floor.

He's like, this is my second dream cast, not plugged in. It looked like a college kid's like dorm room. It was awesome. Oh, red man. I mean, what a legend. Of course, the memorable ones were the not nice ones. Yeah, yeah. The real people.

I felt like the jackass guys actually, a lot of them were, you know, very, bare bones didn't have it in his house. I forget which one of them. Somebody just had their bills on their pool table. I was like, man, that is so relatable. But the Red Man one, yes. That in terms of like being memorable, not being a great place.

So funny. Yeah. Which eagle would you most want to see an MTV cribs on? I kind of want to say, I think Big Dom might be the top of my list. Is that just because you want to see Big Dom talk? Yeah, I just want to see like inside Big Dom's life. he's so, like, guarded and protected?

I think, I don't even know what the answer would be. Who do you think has the, the biggest, nicest house? Well, apparently Devante Smith just lives in, like, a normal house on, like, an everyday street. That's great for him. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I feel like J.land Carter's would be interesting.

I'd love to see A.J. Browns, because I feel like he's, he's a personality. Love to see what's going on in his house. I mean, Landon Dickerson and he's got the lawn. He's the DIY guy with the big lawnmower. that'd be a good one. Myelada and just like how big everything in his, is in his house. Do you remember how big Shaq's bed was?

Yes. It had the Superman symbol on it. It literally was the size of our office. It was like the size of this room. It looked awesome. I've always wanted a bed like just like comically large. You had to like get your steps in to get to the middle of that bed. Shack was a memorable one.

Yeah, I mean, I would like to see a lot of. People in the chat are saying hurts. I feel like hurts would just be like, I don't know, very underwhelming. Well, you don't think he's got nice stuff? No,

he's got nice stuff, but I bet he's not like extravagant, you know what I mean? I think that's probably fair. I mean, certainly has the most money, but that doesn't mean

he would be the best. Yeah, I think Landon would be a good one. Conan's right, yeah. Apparently Hertz was out on Walnut Street. There's like a Jordan store

opening it up and it's the first in the country or something. So that would be the argument for Hertz. Is that he's got cool stuff? Well, no, I just want to see

how much Michael Jordan's stuff you can fit in one home. This is my Cangle collection. Here are my cigars. Here are my Frankie Beverly CDs. Here are my hoop earrings. That's true. The Cangle room alone would probably be pretty impressive.

That's the argument for Jalen, I would say. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to be thinking about that question now. Way too long. I'm going to see if that Red Man episode is on YouTube. I'm sure it is. Okay, we have one super chap. before we get out of here from Dr. Prince Blue.

Bo is missing an all-time Boe segment. I think that was about the juice balls. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was right up Bo's Alley. Well, I'm going to take everybody behind the curtain a little bit here. When the Mina K-Kimes interview with Bo and E.J. was playing, we were saying, man, you can't really talk about those K-balls without putting some innuendo on it, unfortunately. You got to massage the balls.

You got to eat the balls. You got to do what you got to do to the balls. There's really no way around it. honestly, if you read back the transcript of what Uncle Vic said yesterday, it's close to our rate. So EJ comes in after the press conferences every time and is acting social media director and head of content and other things. I'm like, E.J., what was like breaking down for me? What were the two best quotes? I didn't get to watch.

And he's like, I got to tell you. Uncle Vic was talking about juice balls. And I was like, you have my attention. So I immediately dove into the ball talk and I made a graphic about it. And we got a short out about it. and you know, sometimes you got to hop on those balls and get right to it. Absolutely. Okay.

So you're going to be on the show on Sunday post games. Yes. Believe, I mean, I'm... Are you a beau lever? Am I a bow lever? Yeah, Bo Nix. Oh, I was about to say, my bow wolf. Sorry, when you get, you know, when it's...

What's the Battle of the Bowes on Sunday? Well, when it's October and you got, you got red October starting, I got to be honest, I wasn't even thinking about Bo Nix and the Bronx. and the Broncos underwhelming offense. They had a huge game on Monday night, 538 yards of offense.

It was like they were saying the Bengals defense. The Bengals is pretty bad. If we could steal Tri-Hendrickson for like pennies on the dollar, that would be great. I would enjoy that. I am not a bully.

I'm like more not than M. I reckon he's probably mid. You know, like he's probably a guy that's going to be in that deck Prescott range like 12 to 15. Like good can win you some games but probably ultimately

isn't the guy. this week it does feel like it's a strength against strength game where the defense versus no sorry sorry sorry bro those defense not straight against strength the two defenses are i mean i think it's going to be a legit test for yeah benito and certain are awesome awesome players the best of their positions in the entire league so but you know as good as sean paid and can be in terms of scheming up plays i think the eagles defense has a pretty serious personnel advantage and hopefully they uh they go out and dominate the game so you're going to be on the show On Sunday, post game with Bo and Vinny.

I will be at the stadium. I didn't check with anybody, but I assume the next two days are, we got Bo, Fran, and E.J. And tomorrow. I believe the professor's in on Friday. That's the way we usually do it. And swooper on Thursday. Yeah.

So, yeah, it'll be a great week. And hopefully the Eagles can get the 5-0 against the Denver Broncos at home against the link. I haven't looked at the spread yet, have you? Have you? Should we play guess that line? I know what it is. Yeah, okay. It's three and a half. Okay, that's about what I was going to guess.

I was going to say maybe four. It would be nice if this is the week where that turns into a silly line. It's like, come on, eagles at home with the personnel advantage, they just blow them out. I mean, I'd be honest, I'm on bet 365 right now. I would have guessed higher than three and a half. I think it started a little bit higher. Okay. I don't know.

The sharp money. Yeah. They're believers and beau. And bo-levers. Let's shut them up. Okay, we have one more thing on the show before we ended. What a star-studded show today. Yes, we have another interview,

and that is with our guy E.J. Smith and the best tackler, in my opinion, on a team that is full of excellent tacklers. Cooper DeGine, your starting slot corner, the co-host of the exciting Mike's program, E.J. Talk to Cooper about the season so far. We are going to play that. So for Jamie, Julia, I'm Rich, and I'd just like to say that we love you. And we are back on the P.H.O.I. Eagle show. I've got Eagles defensive back and exciting Mike's co-host, equally important titles here. With me, Cooper to Gene, welcome to the show. First and foremost, I got to ask you, what is, like, your routine, like, after a game in Tampa, a hot game? What is it, what are the last, like, 24, 48 hours been like for you trying to reaclimate or recover from playing in that heat? Yeah, trying to cool off first and foremost from the heat down there. But, um, um, You know, we were in on Monday.

Got a little workout in. I think it's good for the body to, you know, get a little lift in after a game. Try to work out some of the soreness. You know, then just do do as much recovery as you can. You know, these first two days while we're not practicing, you know, for next week. So just trying to try to let the body heal and recover. and also starting to prep for the Broncos. How would you describe the experience at Raven James,

especially with the weather as extreme as it was? Did it surprise you at all? It surprised me how cool it was, actually, in the first half. Last year it was just steaming hot the whole game. Don't get me wrong, it was still hot, but it wasn't as hot as last year. You know, and there's a lot of Eagles fans there, which I think helped help keep the energy up. You know, you can tell the first half, you know, everybody was juiced and we had a lot of energy in that second half.

You know, I think the energy died just a little bit, you know, but we most importantly, we found a way to win. Did you hear the coup chance? Did you catch that? I did. I did hear them. That was pretty sweet. Yeah, they were definitely a lot of Eagles fans. to be here in the, here in the crowd.

Yeah, it was on the road. A lot of green in the stands. Yeah, yeah. I wanted to ask you about the teams tackling in this game. You know, last season, obviously the Bucks, you know, had a lot of underneath completions, really challenged the secondary to tackle. And it just stands out the way that you, Jehad Campbell, Zach Bonn, how much space you guys cover and how well you tackle.

I guess how much is Vick, like, harp on that and how important was that against this Bucks team who was trying to maybe extend those drives? Yeah, it was, I mean, it's huge, you know, especially when you got a back, you know, those two backs like they have. Those guys aren't easy to tackle at all. You know, there was there was a few mistackles, you know, but that's that's going to happen when you got, you know, good running backs like that. But, you know, that's, I mean, it's been stressed, you know, ever really since I got here, you know, we started doing, I think last year after the first couple of weeks, we started doing a tackle circuit every single week. You know, kind of just to work on our angles and work on, you know, our tackling. And I think that's helped us a lot, you know, not only last year, but this year as well going into this year.

You know, because you've got to be able to tackle an open space in the NFL, especially against good athletes, you know, that this league has. So it's been, it's stressed every single day while watching the film, you know, putting ourselves in good position, even if we aren't tackling. or thudding up, putting ourselves in good position to make the tackle without actually making the tackle during practice. So when it comes to the game, you know, we're ready to make those plays. How disappointed were you that the stepover, which probably would have been like an iconic picture in Philadelphia sports lore? How disappointed were you that it got the 15-yard penalty there? Yeah, I was a little disappointed, obviously, you know, but it's just about controlling your emotions and in the heat of battle.

You know, it's tough. You know, when you're in the heat of it, the thick of it, and, you know, you got so much adrenaline running through your body, you know, that that happens. But, you know, I think penalties is something that's hurt us as a defense and that we need to continue to clean up. You know, it was a cool picture, though, but it's not going to be too good for the pockets, I don't think. Oh no, you think you're going to get fine for it? I thought you get fine anytime you get a... You would know better than me.

I didn't know you got fine for every personal foul or taunting penalty, but... I thought you got fine. Maybe you don't. I don't know. We'll see. Figures crossed. You'll have to let us know the next time we talk. So Quinyan Mitchell, speaking of maybe some fine-worthy behavior there, I wanted to ask you

if you have any good trash-talking stories from Quinty on. Obviously, he had a great game against the bucks, but, you know, his willingness to not back down against Tristan Warps. I really think will be one of the lasting visuals of the game. Does he talk more trash than people realize? And do you have any good stories about him talking trash on the field? He definitely talks more trash than people realize. And I love it.

He's like a silent, silent assassin. You know, because he, I mean, you wouldn't think, like talking to him, I mean, if you, if you didn't know him, you wouldn't think that he's the type of guy to go out there and talk trash. But, you know, he kind of gets in that mode when he's out on the football field, just so locked in and dialed in, so much confidence on the field. He just, he just lets it fly and lets guys know. But yeah, with T. Worf's, he's a big dude, but, you know, he's a big dude, but, you know, cute him back down. Did you hear what he said? Did he say? I did not. I actually didn't even see it happen. I was on the sideline, I think, already.

So I didn't see it happen, but that's just him. He goes out there and plays with confidence every single week, which is, you know, fun to see. And it gives myself and everybody in our room confidence as well. Both of you guys, it seems like, have taken on more in the secondary this year. But in particular, Quignan flipping from side to side, following receivers, how difficult is that for somebody who isn't familiar with like what goes into calls? And just, again, the fluidity of like not knowing what side of the field you're going to be on

until the huddle is broken. What goes into that for him? Yeah, I think people, people don't realize how hard that is, you know, to go back and forth and play each side of the field. Because obviously last year he was, I think it was primarily on the left side.

Yeah. He had slay on the right. But even just like your movements from one side, you know, to the other, from him playing one side all year and doing, like turning into guys the same way. And then, know, this year flipping from side to side, you know, what, what that takes and, you know,

obviously having to understand the calls from, from each side and from each formation as well is also pretty difficult. But it's been, he's made it, I mean, he's made it look easy. You know, I know he works hard at it during, during practice, just his techniques from side to side. It's been fun to watch. You know, he just continues to get better and grow. as a player and as a leader, which has been fun to watch.

Does it impact you much? You know, especially, I mean, even that safety, you guys have had some moving parts, but with not really knowing what corner is going to be on your side, how much does that impact your job? It's a little different. It's a little different, you know, because obviously I've played with Q for however many games now.

So we kind of have our own communication, you know, on our side. you know, if guys are in stacks or bunches, how we're going to play things out, if motion comes or something happens, you know, so we kind of understand each other and we have a plan, but obviously, Keely making his first start this season. Yeah. You know, just being able to communicate, you know, with him just because, you know, we haven't been out there as much together. So that definitely changes a little bit.

having to have more communication, but it's also good, you know, just to make sure everybody's on the same page. And we know how we're working things out based on what the offense is doing. Does that language between you and Quignan stretched off the field? Do you guys have like code words or anything like that in the locker room? No, no, we don't. We don't. But we do have some language on the field that is. fun. It makes it fun. Yeah. But he kind of just come up with random things to to communicate. So speaking of like your your guys bond like it's crazy to think that you were rookies last season and also crazy to really reflect on like how you both hit the ground running, you know, in your rookie

seasons and really made an impact early. And then you look at Jihad Campbell and Andrew McCuba this season and like how much of an impact they've been able to make early in their careers. You know, obviously, John Campbell had a huge game against the Bucks. What about their experience, do you think has, or maybe your collective experiences as rookies, do you think contributes to like all of you guys being able to work into the defense and make an impact this early in your careers? Yeah, I think, I think it's just the confidence that everybody in the facility, like, gives them. you know, because I feel like a lot of times when you're a rookie, you know, you don't really know what's going on. You're kind of quiet, you know, and you're just trying to find your way.

But I feel like in our locker room, you know, guys just, guys bring those guys in and allow them to be themselves. And I think that's what we've seen, you know, early, even before the season, just those guys, their confidence that they have walking around on the field. in themselves, you know, has been really cool to see. And, and I've tried to, you know, I've tried to, you know, give them confidence and, and allow them to be themselves as well. Give them tips, you know, from my experience. And I know Q's helped a lot as well. But it's been fun to see those guys just take on their roles, embrace it and learn,

learn throughout, even while making mistakes, learning from their mistakes. You know, and just going out there and being ball players like, like they are. Gotcha. And last one, I know we're early in the week. You probably haven't gotten too much into the scouting of the Broncos yet. But what do you know about Bo Nix? What stands out about him as a quarterback? Yeah, he's a playmaker. Makes plays with his legs and his arm. Got a real strong arm. Can make a lot of throws down the field. You know, so we're going to have to try and try and keep him in the pocket. Pressure him as much as much as we can. Stop the run. game obviously. You know, they got some good receivers on the outside. You know, that'll be a challenge for us. But I think, you know, we're excited for it. You know, they're a good team, you know, and they're coming into into the link. You know, we're back at home. So should be, should be a fun one. Awesome. Well, appreciate your time, Coop. I, maybe I'll start doing some of the

the heat acclamation stuff that you've been doing, you know, hit the gym, drink some Well, make sure I drink some, maybe an electrolyte drink or something like that. Hydration. Hydration's key. What's that? Hydration's key. Yeah, absolutely. Awesome.

Thanks, Coop. Back to you guys on the PHY show. We're all silly like the mayor.