PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Do something! Howie Roseman, Philadelphia Eagles begin new league year without a FA signing

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you won the Super Bowl. But how about signing a player, Howie? We joke, but as C.J. Gardner-Johnson, Milton Williams, Josh Sweat, Isaiah Rodgers and Oren Burks have flown the coop, the Eagles have only imported Dorian Thompson-Robinson and Kenyon Green and still have holes at cornerback, safety and along the edge, to say nothing of the offensive line and Dallas Goedert’s uncertain status.Join Zach Berman and Bo Wulf as they try to make this the best year yet. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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off the Super Bowl to roll over in bed, Jeffrey Lurie to say to Howie Roseman, hey, let's make this the best year yet. Are they in this framing you just did? Are they in bed together? Yes. Okay. Basically, it's you and Emily in bed, but like, you know, Photoshop their heads onto your bodies.

Okay. Well, I hope there's no photos of us. Who's doing the, who's waking up? who in this scenario, you think? Oh, well, if me, I mean, I'm excited. Like, you're waking up on purpose. No, but if it's Howie and Jeffrey, who's waking up who? Probably Howie.

Probably Howie. Probably Howie, right, Polka and Jeffrey. Hey, hey, hey, wake up. It's 4 p.m. Let's make this the best year yet. Yeah, happy New Year. Let's make this the best year yet for our show as well. Now, you were trying to go Old Langs-Ean there?

Yes, I was. Okay. That's what I think of with the New Year. Is that what you think of? Is that your New Year's Eve song? No, I think of, hey, let's make this the best year yet. Well, no, that's a birthday more than, I don't typically say that on New Year's Eve. What are you talking about?

You told us the whole thing about you wake up Emily at midnight. Didn't say that. Well, yeah, say Happy New Year. That's true. I do do that, correct. Yeah? Yeah. That's a good reference.

I do that. Yeah, no, but the text, let's make this the best year yet. Yeah, I know that. but the New Year's thing, you're waking everybody in the house up. Yeah, yes. I get excited at me. We did a whole thing about how much you love New Year's. It's like your favorite thing.

Yeah, it's renewal. That's what I like about it. It's a sense of, it's an opportunity. I like, as I've said to you before, optimistic holidays. And New Year's Eve, I find to be on optimistic holiday. Well, let's... July 4th is an optimistic holiday. I don't know if I agree with that.

Okay. People tend to be happy on July. 4th. It's not like... People tend to be happy on most holidays. That's actually not always the case. There's some holidays where it's more solemn. Okay, sure. Yeah.

So that's like Veterans Day. People aren't parting in the street. But where you're like, I don't think that... I don't think that... New Year's Eve. Optimism is necessarily more the case for July 4th than Halloween or Christmas. Yeah. I mean, there's certain, like, religious holidays where it's about, like,

punishment. Sure. Right. And so I find, I find New Year's Eve to be an optimistic holiday. The start of the new league year is there's a sense of renewal on this day for teams. Okay. Every team is zero and zero. So what would be the NFL equivalent of Yom Kippur? The day when you're atoning. So, I guess cut down day. Honestly, cut down day is good. But I think you could frame this, this Eagles off season so far as atonement, right? You think so. Okay. They're paying the bill for a lot of the decisions they've made and we'll have to make, and let's get into that.

You know, you have been trying to take us from a non-football path, talking about holidays. I want to talk ball here. Oh, this is my language. I love this. Okay. Spin this as optimism for Eagles fans then. If the new year is an optimistic holiday, what is optimistic?

about the way that the Eagles have operated over the past 48 hours? Yeah, I'm not going to give you spin. And it's not a matter of optimism. It's more patience, right? It's that it's March 12th. The Eagles don't play a game until September. I am not one of these people

who says you need to think in Howie we trust. Howie's not infallible. How he's had good off seasons, how he's had bad off seasons. But I also don't think Howe is flying by the seat of his plans. I think there's like there's a plan with, now we don't know if. if it's a good plan, like that will bear itself out. But I don't think that they're just,

uh, I don't think this is a surprise to them what's happened during this week. I don't think they're like, oh, oh goodness, this is, you know, what do we do now? If I'm being honest with you, the 2015 off season was very much, oh, shoot, what do we do now? Because they went into that with a, this was when Howie was actually out that year and Chip Kelly was running it. And they were literally just. turning around being like, all right, what's next? What's next? You know, what do we do with this money? I don't think that anything that's happened during the past 48 hours has surprised the Eagles, per se.

So I guess what I would tell fans is that like some of these things take time. Howie Roseman did telegraph what was going to happen when he talked about patience, when he talked about losing players, when he talked about younger players stepping in, when he talked about, by the way, when he, I am curious now when he said might go against conventional wisdom, they probably had planned on trading CJ Gardner Johnson at that time. I feel like that was one of the ones that he had in mind. Exactly.

So some of this, I think he telegraphed. And I think there will be late movers on some of these transactions as well. And I imagine that they won't, that they'll, as we've discussed, draft proof their roster in certain areas. I imagine they'll add a corner, they'll add a safety, they'll add a defensive lineman, they'll add an edge rusher. It's just not what we in Philadelphia are accustomed to with them being so active early in free agency. This is probably more comparable. I won't even say to 2022 because 2020 until they had some lines in the fire that didn't work out.

And they end up getting A.J. Brown that off season, even that year they signed Hassan Redick, right? This to me is probably more comparable to 2021 where they were sitting on that. their hands early. And it was a maintenance year in a certain respect. After they traded Wence, you're talking about. Yes. Yeah. Taking that. Exactly. Here's my question. The framing from the Eagles right now is, you know, we have been one of, if not the biggest cash spender in the league. It's been a huge part of our success. And we've given the Eagles and Jeffrey Lurie specifically a ton of credit for that.

Part of the reason that they're moving on from C.J. Gunner Johnson and letting these guys walk, in addition to getting the compics, which makes sense, is that they're preserving cash in theory for next year so that they can extend Jalen Carter and other people around them. And this roster is going to at some point be like your A-level stars getting paid at the top of the market

and a bunch of rookie contract guys and guys on low-level better deals. They don't want to be paying the B-plus guys, right? But do you think that that's what Howie Roseman wants to do? Or do you think some of the... these moves are more Jeffrey Lurie directed. Yeah. Well, look, they

they have an operating budget, right? Like that is, that's, that's clear. This isn't, you know, they don't just spend all the time. And it is true, as ESPN pointed out, Mike Reese had an article about this at the owner's meeting a year ago

that from the 10-year period going into last year, they were the highest cash spenders in the league. And when we talked about their, their, cap strategy, a big part of it is paying big bonuses and then you're able to kind of spread the cap hits over a period of years because you're putting it in bonus money as opposed to salary money. So that is part of their strategy. But yeah, I think you are right that there probably is a directive here that there's a lot of money that's going to be going out in the next two, three years.

There's a lot of money that's gone out in the past two, three years that there needs to be a sense of like financial responsibility. You know, they, they do have an operating budget that this is not. So the answer is Jeffrey Lurie in your mind? Yeah, I mean, if that is coming from Jeffrey, if, if how he's kind of has, if, if, if, if how he's in other words, I'm trying to, yeah. Jeffrey gives Howie the operating budget, as you say, and it's Howie's job to figure out how to move the cash around. Exactly. You don't think that it's Howie, from a football standpoint, being like, I want to get ahead of this and move off of C.J. Garner Johnson now in order to prepare us to do something else next off season. You think that this is much more top down.

To an extent, I think the nuance to that is I think if it was just C.J. Garner Johnson, you pay him $8.25 million this year. That's one thing, right? But I think if it... From a roster standpoint, it's not making much of a difference to the cap. And so you would think you would just keep the good player. I think the Goddard thing is the one that's really looming here. Because to me, that's going to be much different.

If there's a possibility that they are for cash purposes, just going to move off of Dallas Goddard, whether that's a release or taking, you know, like a fourth or fifth round pick just to move off of him, that would be much more concerning to me. Like from a football standpoint, I can understand the CJ Gardner-Johnson thing a little bit more. Whereas on offense, you don't have a third option baked in. You don't have a tight end baked in.

Dallas Goddard is a very good player. And even if he says he doesn't want to play on that contract, you could sort of call his bluff there. Yeah. So that's where that, like my hesitation was because if we're always operating from an information deficit, right? We try to fill in those gaps. But if they have under an understanding. understanding or information that like C.J. Garner Johnson is not thrilled about his contract or that C.J. Garner Johnson wants an extension, you know, then that's, that's a human element there that they

need to account for. It's not just the cash you're paying that year, but it's the cash that would have to come with a new contract, right? So that's something to take into account. But yeah, I do think it's fair to say that the Eagles are operating within the confines of a budget that that goes beyond the salary cap. That is like a cash budget. I don't think. think that's a stretch. As for the point you made about like in Howie We Trust being a little bit overstated, but also that he like this is part of the plan. I don't think they're flying by the state of the pants. I think that's true. I do find like, you know, we've talked about over the course of time because we have a greater sample size of Howard Roseman's decisions than

most general managers. The Eagles have been way better than the rest of the league when it comes to their free agency decisions. Whereas their draft decisions have been about average, which is what you would expect. I think the framing that you have heard from some national reporters of like, well, listen, they got to turn this roster over to young players and who's been better in the draft recently than the Eagles, I think that is overstated. Like, you cannot count on that continuing.

And also some of the things that they've done in the draft were, you know, like you get Jill and Carter at nine overall. They're not going to have a nine overall pick, right? 100%. They're picking it towards the end of the draft. It's going to be harder. bets to make and you're not going to get those right all the time. I think there is a reason to believe in Howie Roseman from a figuring out, you know, where the value is going to be in the

market. I think it's okay to preach patience. We've got to do every, we got to do a show every day. And they're, you know, they're probably going to add a couple guys in two weeks who are going to be like, oh, okay, well, now there is somebody on the roster at safety. Now there is somebody on the roster at corner and we'll see how that looks. Right now, it doesn't look like there are guys there. But I don't think you can say, okay, we're going to just count on our second round pick being a, you know, star safety, right? Like, that's not going to continue. No, you're absolutely right. And I wrote this on all p.hly.com. You can subscribe right now, be it come a diehard. We have a great deal, $36 a year, $3 a month. You get Fran Duffy's draft coverage, which is top in the class.

You get all our Eagles, Flyers, Sixers, Phillies coverage as well. You're good at those teases, those plugs. Well, when you believe in something. Amen, man. right? It's not, it's, it's easy to do when it's organic and that's organic. So, man, selfishly, I want people to read my stuff, right? So, you know, the only way you're reading my stuff on all phtly.com is if you're a diehard. Yeah. So I want that pull the, I write so people read. I don't write for my own edification. Live hard so you can die hard. But one thing, I, I said it would be, I don't think I, I used the term hubris, but it would, it would be hubris. It would, it would be hubris. It

take a lot of hubris on the Eagles part to look at yesterday's moves and say like the best possible outcome is going to happen for for Kenyon Green and for Sydney Brown, right? Like for Kenyon green to turn into Mackay Beckton. Yeah. And for Sydney Brown to turn into like a starting safety. Like that's that's like the best case scenario for before both of those. And so they can't look at yesterday's trade and say we got a starting right guard and we're opening the spot for our safety. They do need to add competition at safety. They'll need at guard to see how Tyler Steen looks, maybe how Trevor Keegan looks. Like this is, there's a chance neither player is a starter for them. Sure. There's a chance that. I also think they know that. Exactly. That's my point. So,

so yeah, so it would be ambitious for them to say Sydney Brown's just going to step into that role. But I do think they want some of these young guys to have opportunities. And I think this goes back to a point you made at the combine and you caught into it and you caught onto it right away when Howie said that they have to let their young guys play. And there were decisions that they've made in past years where they've kind of blocked some of these guys from developing. And I think what they'll try to do is have a veteran who's in there to be the fail-safe option,

but they'll try to give some of these draft picks a chance to win jobs. But you are right, and this can't be overstated. And this goes back to when we looked at some of Howley's decisions. a big part of their success drafting during the past four years has to, it goes back to those trades that they made. They were able to get Cooper to Gene last year because they had two second round picks, so they were able to trade up, right? They were able to take John Carter because they had a pick in the top 10

from a, from a trade they made previously. They were able to get A.J. Brown because of these trades that they made, right? So this all kind of factors into, they're not going to, if you look at it going forward, they don't have a, two second round picks. They don't have a first round pick in the top ten. Your odds of hitting are much harder later in the draft. Their best draft in recent years was Devante Smith, Landon Dickerson, and Milton Williams, and they were drafting high in those rounds each time. Now they also... The Jalen Cardinal and Smith is pretty good, but that's

two first round picks. Exactly. Yeah. They, to their credit, and if they're watching, they might say this, they nailed the 2018 draft. That was an anomaly, but that's their, they didn't have a first or they traded out of the first round that year. They didn't have a second round pick. They ended up getting Goddurt. They get sweat, Avanti Maddox, Jordan Milata, Matt Pryor. And so that was just a really effective draft.

They can't count on hitting on picks at the same rate they have these past these last few years. No, I think that's right. But I also do think it makes sense for them to have that runway where they want those guys to play. Let me frame with you this way. Of the Sydney Brown, Keely Ringo Jeremiah Trotter trio basically the guys who are now

looking like the top of the depth chart until they add somebody who do you think they have the most internal confidence in? Great question. Well, are we including Moro Ogemon there? I feel like he's at the top.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I agree with you. Outside of that, I think of those three you mentioned Keely Ringo. And I don't know if Vic would say that but I think Howie would say that. Do you think, yeah, of those three

if you asked Howie would say that? today with truth serum, which one are you expecting to start week one? You think it would be Keely? I think it would be Keely. I think I probably agree with that. And look, I was wrong last training camp. I thought Keely was the front runner for that job when Quignan Mitchell was playing in the slot and it was, it was Keely and Isaiah Rogers. I thought Keely was going to win that job. I was wrong. And Keely wasn't even the top backup. It was Isaiah Rogers. But I do think internally there's confidence in Kili's development and Keeley's skill set, the age profile, as we've talked about, a number of times. And look, if it doesn't happen this year, this is year

three for him, right? You want to see a guy start by year three. Probably so. But, you know, I think if they were framing it and spinning it as they want, basically, they viewed that first year as this is, we're drafting this guy four next year anyway, so this is really his second year. Sure. You know, he is young. I think there's a recent year. I think there's a reason to believe. But I also think... What's your answer to that? I think it would be Keely. I think so too.

And then who's second for you? Trot Jr. or Sidney Brown? I think the ask is so much different. I think... That's a good point. I think the bar is much lower at linebacker. So I think they would be more willing

to trot out, Trod. There you go. Week one than Sidney Brown without a backup plan. But I could be wrong about that. Okay. Super Chats.

we see Claude de Bez-day says, do you think this off-season looks the same? Had they lost the Super Bowl? Would they be making more win-now moves instead of retooling for the future? Good question. Great question, Claude. My quick answer is no.

I don't think they, I think this was a plan that they had going back to last off-season. How he said at the Combine, they viewed this year as a maintenance year. They viewed last year as an opportunity to add. I think part of that is they looked at who was going to be free agents.

looked at their cap situation. They looked at some of their extensions. So I think this was always going to be the plan this offseason. Now, the one thing I will say is that the start of the year, and we said this yesterday, they didn't view Zach Bond as the guy they were going to spend, you know, $16, 17 million on. So they probably internally thought they had a little more money to play around with this off season and then you end up signing Zach Bonn. Like if they don't sign Bonn, if Bonn is just an average player, you wonder where they spend that money in the first day agency. Is there a deal

you have seen around the league that you feel like the Eagles would have liked to make in a different timeline? I mean, maybe it's MoRake, you know, who you really like. Like maybe it's that deal that he signed in Carolina. Maybe

I don't know if there's I don't think they were ever signing Milton Williams for 26 million. No. I don't think they were bringing sweat back. and those are kind of the two top guys on the D-Line. So I don't know if I have a good answer for that. Ziz Ojolari's still lingering out there. Maybe that's the answer.

Maybe it's a different defensive tackle. Maybe it's Nick Bolton. Like maybe they pay for it. I doubt that. But I don't think so. Like I said the other day, I think they're spending on a linebacker had more to do with the player than the position.

But I do know internally they weren't planning on Zach Bond being $16 million a player for them. Yeah. All right. Let's take a quick break, and then on the other side, we'll continue this conversation and hear more questions from you, including what's up with the Eagles and Justin Reed and Justin Simmons. But we start with our friends at Ace Hardware Home Services. If you have a leaky pipe at Ace Hardware Home Services, they are around the block with someone you need to fix it, including the person who'll do the fixing. They've got everything.

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you know, I have a soul. I thought you would like Cooper Flag. Why? Because he loves bears. Well, he's from Maine. Yeah, that's why that's what I was my job. Yeah. He's like an icon in Maine.

He's the... He's not. I mean, I've read articles from Portland, Maine, talking about how he's the most popular Maine athlete. And I'll take your word for it. I know you have a lot of connections to Maine. but I thought there'd be some some Maine pride in

Cooper Flag when was the last time the number one pick in the NBA draft was from Maine I don't know I don't believe it's ever happened I mean not since Nick Kane or Medley has there probably been a basketball player that

he went to Rachel's high school is it Deering? Is that right? Yeah nice weird that you know that instead of saying that's that's really cool let you know that. That's weird that you know that. It's weird that you know that. It's weird that I know Nick Cairner-Medley's high school. Yes. Do you not think that that's weird? No, I do not. I do not. Yeah. I mean, I think weird is honestly flattering. I think disturbing would be another word, I think. It's weird that you read an article about someone and you remember the contents of the

article. Yeah. Um, um, Can you name any other professional athletes who went to Deering? Yeah, I can. Ryan Flaherty. Yes. He played baseball for the Orioles. I covered actually when he was with the Orioles. I remember exactly where I was.

And speaking, he got called up from the Norfolk Tides. And I was covering the game for Mark. I think I mean we have had the same. I was covering the game for Mark Corrig. And Dave Trembly was their manager. And I asked Dave Trembly like, what did you? hear about Ryan Flaherty down in Norfolk that like prompted the promotion. Yeah.

That was a totally fair question. But, but, you know, I was a reasonable question. I was like the Phelan guy and like Flaherty was was one of these guys you would call like a quad A player. Yeah. So he was a former first round pick. Yeah, no, but like he'd been up and down. Okay. So like Trembly's point was like he didn't need to do anything down there.

We already know the guy, right? But you would think that like I brought up where he went to high school because he was like flabbergasted by the question. Okay. Yeah. That's good. And I called Corrig, and I'm like, Mark, did I do something wrong here? Now, you might have also been familiar because when you were on your high school baseball team that was nationally ranked, I think the Deering team was also nationally ranked. Were they really?

Yeah. Okay. I wish we played against them. Both would have lost to Iraq Country Day. New York State champs, baby! I respectfully would have taken our chances. Yeah, but you'd be wrong. I mean, this has nothing to do with me.

This is just to do with, like, USA Today ranked us number 10 in the country. We were. Yeah, well, they didn't see enough of our games. Okay, that's probably what it was. Okay. All right. Any given Tuesday. You guys played on Tuesdays?

Yeah. We played all days of the week. Yeah. We played. Yeah, that's true. So do we? Yeah. Okay.

Let's check out the other super chats we have waiting. Dingleberg is back in the chat. He says, what's with the Eagles interest in signing Justin. Reed thought they moved on from CJ to make room for other contracts. What is the deal there? Yeah, I don't have, you know, I have so much respect for James Palmer, a friend of the show. James Palmer is the one who brought that up. I don't know the nature of the Eagles offer, right?

It was obviously less than the Saints offer, but the Eagles make calls on everybody. Or they typically do. So it might be one of those things where they had, they obviously. obviously like the player. Justin Reed's a really good player. And they were seeing what the market is. Sure. It makes sense to check in.

Yeah, exactly. And so these were the teams that talked about. I don't know how significant they're offered. So I can't speak to that report. But certainly when you see that, it gives you a little skeptic, a little bit of skepticism if the Eagles are trying to sell you on, like they want Sidney Brown to have a legitimate chance of competing for this job.

If Justin Reed's on your team, Sidney Brown's not competing for the starting safety job. I mean, what an outcome that would have been for your son to have the two safeties, read and read. He would be so, that's a good point. He would love Justin Reed because Justin Reed spells at REID. And on the back of the jersey. Exactly.

That's actually a good point. He would have loved that. Oh, what a missed opportunity. Maybe that's how he was checking in. You know what's interesting. His flight football team this fall, I'm sorry, this spring is the Saints. And their coach told them they had practiced last Friday. and the coach told him go home play madden and find out your favorite saints player oh uh and so

he didn't need to play madden he was telling me chriselave was his favorite player but he did play madden he he told emily he came home he said he said emily i've homework from the coach and emily's like you're not playing video games right now we're sitting down for dinner but uh he's like no i have to play with the saints but coach said so justin read would be his favorite player is he going around the house going like uh who day no he doesn't know that yet but we probably should you got to getting to do that. But he, yeah, he doesn't, he wears the arm sleeve. Okay.

And he doesn't have an orange, I'm sorry, a gold arm's sleeve. Okay. And I was like, you'll make the arm's sleeve look good no matter what color it is. Like, don't worry about, don't worry about the gold arm sleeve. Man makes the clothes. Exactly. All right. Next super chat we have.

From Danilo. Is it fair to say that if Howie, and this is a very generous super chat, is it fair to say that if Howie kept drafting well, and the cap continuing to go up, there are no reasons to worry. This is a faith in Howie question. I would, you know, I just think like the faith in how he is temperamental, right? You know, it's, yeah, he can do no wrong until he does wrong. In a macro sense, he's won two Super Bowls.

He can't really complain. But there's nothing to say that he's going to continue to nail every draft. I do think the cap continuing to go up is, is less important in the things we're hearing about the decisions they're making because they are, they seem to be cash focused and not cap focused. I mean, I think that sentence would apply for any GM. If you keep drafting well,

there's no reason to worry because I do think drafting players, signing players. You see the nature of this free agency class is that with the cap going up, there are fewer and fewer top players hitting the open market because teams are keeping their players. Teams have the money to keep their own players with the increase in cap. So yeah, if Howie keeps drafting, Jalen Carter and Quinyon Mitchell and Cooper DeGine and you know, you go on down the list, Cam Juergens in the second round, then they'll be just fine. Dylan McMahon. I am curious. Yeah, what currency was that?

I don't know. Have we lost it? No, I don't want to, I don't want to guess. Okay. But, I mean, that is a Brazilian of Portuguese name. Yeah, so what's the R-S and currency? I apologize for my ignorance here. Is that what it is? Yeah, it looks like, no, the Brazilian Rial actually, yes. There we go. Is it Rial or real, R-E-A-L?

It's probably not real. Yeah, Rial is my guess. Brazilian Rial. And I should, that's why. Tell us where in Brazil you are, if that's where you are, Danilo. Winston says, Bo, would you do a mailbag episode if every question had to be addressed

to someone in the Eagles world, players, front office, etc. But the answer had to do with the appropriate impression. Yes, but there are a few impressions I think that even I would shy away from. Okay. But I'm happy to do a mailbag episode,

you know, when we have, don't really have other topics to discuss. discuss, but I'm not, I'm not all the way anti-mailbag. I'm just, you know, you got one show to run and you're doing a mailbag. You know, you know, what are we really doing? Yeah, I will push back on that. I think that mailbags are away as people in our Discord told us and in the comments section told us is that it was a way to address a variety of topics. It was an organic conversation. Oftentimes, actually, mailbags, what it does is it helps spur ideas that maybe you didn't have. You know, it's, I'm all four mailbags. They don't have to be every day. But during the off season, if you did a mailbag Monday or a midweek mailbag, you got the alliteration going. I think that's a great show. As the people in the chat say, I am in it on a quail bag.

Okay. Last super chat we have here. He's from Salvador. Roheet checking in. Says tradeaway Bryce Huff and a fifth for a salary dump. How do you feel about that? Yeah. I don't get, now, I would need to look at it, but if you're attaching the pick,

wouldn't you just cut him? Like, I don't know if you're saving anything by trading him. Now, post-June 1st, I think there is, there are savings there, but I think the cutting and the trading at that point is the same. So I would just cut him and eat the money. Am I right about that? Or is there a difference? I think there is a difference.

I think if you're trading him, you're actually, yeah, either way, you're taking on No, no. If you cut him, it's a way bigger cap hit. Okay. If you trade him, it's still a cap hit. Right now, too? Yes, right now, according to over the cap, it's a cap hit of just over $5 million.

Okay, yeah. So then I do think they could attach a pick to get him off the books. It's not worth just not keeping him around. I don't think. Unless. Because you're taken on the hit and you're having to, attach a pick. Yeah.

You're not going to just, you can't just cut him. So just keep him around. Yeah. Like, the Texans famously did the team. Because either way, if you trade him,

you're still paying the cash. Unless you're the team you're agreeing to trade him to. You say we're going to pay half the money. Like, maybe that's possible. But then you're going to have to attach a higher pick. And like, is that really worth it?

Like, I don't know about that. Yeah. I've heard that that theory floated out there. I should say, have seen that theory floated out there on social media. I suppose you never say never. The Texans ones did that to get Brock Osweiler off their books.

You know, they attached a second round pick, I believe, for the Browns that kind of absorbed that contract. I don't think, I don't know if that's what they would do, but they certainly have fifth round picks at their disposal if they were going to do that. Rams have whacked Cooper Cup. Okay. Any interest from Eagles there, you think? No, I don't.

I think that Jehan Dawson is going to be the number three receiver next year. And I wouldn't roll out them drafting a wide receiver, like you said. They also have, obviously, Hannaa Smith and Johnny Wilson, who they'll continue to develop. But I think, I don't think they're bringing in Cooper Cup as the number three wide receiver. What happens first? The Eagles sign a player or we get a Dallas got a resolution? Good question.

I think sign a player first. Okay. Yeah. You think we'll get something today? I think, I mean, there is going to be more action once the newly year begins. But, yeah, I'm guessing, look, I don't want to call them. I already hit it once, right? You should leave it.

I remember in high school, I'm sorry, in college, I was playing a pickup basketball game against. And in that game was a player who went on to be a very prominent ACC player. Okay? and I hit a three. Lee Melchione. No, no, no. I went to high school then. This was a guy at Syracuse just playing like...

Oh, it's Syracuse. Just playing summer pickup. And I... Why won't you name him? What could possibly be the reason to keep this secret? I think it might, well, I don't know. It might have been conflated with a few things. I could be wrong here, but I believe it was Greg Paul.

Okay. Okay. But I hit a three. But what was the reason? Because he wasn't allowed to play basketball? I don't know. When he was a football player? No, this was, it's a long story. You don't need to get into it. I'm hooked. You got to tell me why. I don't need to. That's actually, you know, I have a lot of people who send me messages about how to better operate on the show. And one of the things they say is, is just because Bo tells you

you have to do something, you don't have to answer that. I know, but you owe the audience now. I don't owe. You've teased this story, this mystery. Some things are better left as a mystery. But let me get to the point. I hit a three. It was an improbable three that I hit.

Are you sure it wasn't Paul Greggis? Yeah. It was an improbable three that I hit. And I left the pickup game thereafter. You pulled a Costanza. Yeah. No, I didn't leave in the middle. Like, it was, I said I had to go, you know,

because you keep the court if you win, right? Yeah. And I left the, you know, I was like, this is it for me. That's the only game I'm playing today. Because there was no chance it was going to get better than that one moment for me right there. Okay. Yeah.

If somebody asks on a super chat, why you were worried about outing Greg Paulus as having played pickup basketball one time, will you answer? No, no, no, no. It might not have been Greg Paulus Frye now. So. What? Let's just move on, please.

I think you know me well enough to know that I'm not ending this episode until we get a resolution on what the story there is. But I will give you some time to think about a way to tell that story in a less embarrassing way, I guess. Let's take a quick break to hear from our sponsors.

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Is the fear of disclosing more because of misattributive. or something else. Misattribution. There's a story behind it that I can't. I shouldn't even have brought it up. I was trying to make an example. I shouldn't have brought it up. For the life of me,

I cannot imagine what would be untellable about a story of pickup basketball with Greg Paulus. Honestly, this is an eagle show. this is the first day of the league year we don't need to allocate time to this boat seriously let's just keep rowing on it is very difficult for me to move on

without getting to the bottom of this I want to talk more about Deering High School if we would talk about anything else I promise you that we are not ending this show until I get more information here we will move on for now I want to talk about Sequan Barkley in the running back position we're going to talk Eagles but this show is not ending

until I get some more on this for it wasn't Greg Paul let's just say that that. It wasn't Greg Paul's. You don't lie to the people. I'm just trying to move on with the show, please. Danilo says he's from Salvador, northeast part of the country. Love that. Awesome. The tentacles extend

all over the place. Big fan of Brazil. The H-L-Y Nation. You have some Sequin thoughts. Now, Kenny Gainwell has officially signed or plans to sign agree to terms with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Of all the young players who we talked about inheriting bigger roles, Will Shipley

is among them now. do you think that is definite? You've been maybe the president of Shipley Hive Yeah well Andrew DeCheco

probably But yeah Or do you think The Eagles will continue to add some competition here Is Lou Nichols enough? No I look

I wrote in the 25 step guide To the offseason Which you can find If you're die hard And all pHLY.com That They should turn the number two job Over to Will Shipley

And maybe have a veteran Or a draft pick As the number three But make Will Shipley The number two But I think the number two running back spots can be especially important next year. Sequin Barkley, as we talked about when the Eagles gave him the extension,

had, like, the best case scenario was last season, that he was healthy, he was incredibly productive. He had nearly 500 touches. Saquan, I mean, like, takeaway Saquan, that position itself is a position that tends to have injuries. You know, Nixon bruises here and there. Let's even, like, dismiss the season-ending injuries. It's just you miss a game here, you miss a game there.

That happens often with running backs. The Eagles didn't have to go. And has happened with Sequo. And has happened with Sequan, exactly. The Eagles didn't have to go to Kenny Gainwell or Will Shipley last year. But they very well might need to next season. And so I think if they are going to have an offense that is so running back centric, then it's important that what is their plan when,

Sequan's not in the lineup. That is a conversation that obviously needs to be had. Now, it could very well be that they become a pass happy team in that case. They have A.J. Brown. They have Devante Smith. We'll see who their tight end is. They have Jahan Dotson. They have Jalen Hertz. But the Eagles say that they want to be able to run when they're going to run and pass when they're going to pass. And there's there, there might be games when Seekwan's not in there and the matchup calls for a run-based offense. And in that case, you need to have confidence in that next running. back. So if it is Will Shipley, and I think Will Shipley is a good player, I liked him coming out of Clemson. We all remember that. I talked about him in the draft. I thought he was going to unsee

Kenny Gainwell last year. Did not happen. But I thought he showed some life late in the year. No doubt. And so if Shipley is the number two, that's a big role on that team next year, given the size, the importance in the offense that Saquan has. I think the, you know, will they pass more is an important part of this. But we talked about it when they sign the Saquan extension. I think counterintuitively extending Saquan and guaranteeing that money actually makes the number two running back more important than it would have been otherwise. Because on his previous contract, you would have thought that this year is,

okay, this is the last year of Saquan's deal with the Eagles. We're going to run him into the great. we don't need to worry about, you know, his longevity. Now, because they're counting on him being here at least two more years and, you know, the way that they talk about each other, like maybe forever, they need to keep him healthy long term. They can't run him into the ground quite as much. And so you just look at like, here's the amount of snaps.

The number one running back has played in the Nick Siriani offenses before. 2021, Miles Sanders, 53% of the snaps. 22, Miles Sanders, 57% of the snaps. Good numbers. 23, D'Andre Swift, 58% of the snaps. Last year, Sequin Barclay, 74% of the snaps. I don't think that Sequin's going to be off the field when he's healthy, but I think they need to prepare for not building the entire plane out of Sequan

Barclay like they did in this year's offense. And so I don't know that that means, I don't think it means they're going to commit resources there because it's similar to linebacker. Like, we don't want to spend this much at this position, so we're not going to spend much for the backup at the position. But I do think getting quality player or reliability at that spot is going to be very important for them.

Do you think they're going to miss Gainwell? I mean, Nick Sirianni's going to miss him. That's true. That's true. We'll see. I don't know. If you had the guests on J-Waron or Kenny Gainwell as the lead back in Pittsburgh, who are you taking? They just lost Nashi Harris.

He's been there lead running back. I know J-Warns shown some juice. They gave him a tender. but I haven't seen the money on Kenny Gainwell yet. Yeah, usually that's not encouraging if you don't know the money. But when you sign a running back day too, it's probably a guy that you're interested in. Andy Widal was here when the Eagles drafted Kenny Gainwell, so he's someone that they know. I don't have a strong opinion.

I think I would guess Warren, but I'm sure they will both play. Sure. How about you? Yeah, I would guess Warren too. I haven't been Kenny Gainwell's biggest advocate here. Why you hate him so much. I don't hate him. He's a very good player for that.

He's a very nice guy, and I'm very happy for him for his wedding. He just got married, like I said. Blissful day. What? But I think that Will Shipley is the next guy up there. Okay. Yeah, I mean, he is.

We'll see. Are they going to sign or draft someone over Will Shipley? I don't think they're going to, they're definitely not going to sign someone over him. I think they might sign. someone to add to the competition, I wouldn't be shocked if, you know, they drafted a running back in the fourth round again, given how good this class is. I don't think that's crazy. Will Shipley was the number 127th overall pick last year.

Yes, of course. He was the third highest, you know, him, it's him, Miles Sanders, and LaShawn McCoy, basically. Well, yeah, he's the highest draft of running back they had since Miles Sanders. That is accurate. Okay. We don't need to relitigate that because you can't relitigate facts. That is a fact. It is a verifiable fact. You shake your head. Once again. It is not.

I mean, we don't, I don't want to do this again. But it's, it, the word fact is, is doing a lot of work there. Will Shipley's here.

Donald Pumfrey's here. LaShawn McCoy's all the way over here. Yeah. And Miles Sanders is all over here. And you're drawing the line like this instead of like this. It's ridiculous. But, Once again, you're not entitled to your own facts.

But if you look at the Eagles draft picks this year, and the draft picks got finalized yesterday, do you think they will take a running back before 127? Maybe. Is that unreasonable question? I don't know. Maybe. Okay.

Do you want to know their draft picks, Bill? Sure. Why don't you let the audience know their draft picks this year? Let me pull this up here because the NFL sent this out. And the Eagles draft picks next year are, and the Eagles did not get a compensatory pick, but they will, of course, they will get that next season. Number 32.

I know that. Here you go. Edit. The Eagles have the number 32 overall pick, like we said. So I'm looking this up here. number 64 i do know that yes hold on here i got it i'm sorry i had to find something in my computer okay the eagles have the number 32 overall pick number 64 overall pick the number 96 overall pick number 134 overall pick they had the number 161 overall pick the number 165 overall pick the number 168

overall pick and this does not count yet the pick that they got from Cleveland in the NFL's official thing but that would be the number 164 overall pick Cleveland from Detroit. Those four picks in like an eight pick span in the fifth round of? That's been a fun show we do. Oh, can't wait for that. Day three. Absolutely dynamic. Day one's going to be interesting, huh?

We'll be here for a very long time and then maybe they'll trade out right at the end. Exactly. Then we have to hustle over to NovaCare. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be fun. Do you think they'll, but would they do a press, I guess they would still do a press conference

even if they'd trade out, right? Yes, they did it with Dallas Goddard. Now, that was a different time. Maybe they don't. Yeah, they've been seeming to try to get away with not doing press conferences, but. But they did do that in, back in 2018. Okay.

Yeah, what else are you, what else? Are you expecting anything else today? So I, look, I heard what Adam Schaefter said this morning on 975 The Fanatic, where he thinks equals are going to continue to cut salary. And I do think that is going to be a theme this offseason. Now, I think he might have been suggesting that Mackay Beckton's not coming back. I don't expect McCoy Bechtin to come back. And so that is a player that they're not paying per se.

But I think McIepecton is going to get a good contract somewhere else. I think that trade yesterday kind of signaled that. One thing we talked about, I don't think we talked about this on air. We talked about it off air. I'm curious to see if Tyler Steen is kind of viewed as a potential swing tackle for them. Oh, yeah. And I say that because if they think that Kenyon Green, and I looked up, it's Kenyon, not Kenyon, Kenyon, that Kenyon, that Kenyon is a starting guard for them, then maybe Steen fills that swing tackle role that Fred Johnson has filled. And they add someone as like an interior swing guy, but that they kind of open that spot up.

up for green to be the starter. Do you think they're viewing green as the presumptive red guard? I haven't heard enough yet on that, but I would pencil him in. Would you pencil him in? Would you? Really? Yes. Would you? I think I would still take the field. Interesting. Okay. Between Greenstein. Greenstein, that's nice.

And the field. I think I would still take the field. How about this? If the field does not include a draft pick, if it is, if it's any player who played in the NFL last season. Well, that's a totally different question. Yes. If it was that, then I think I might still go Steen. But I think green is possible.

I don't know. I don't know. I am a little bit swayed by none of the messaging coming from the Eagles on this CJ Gardner-Johnson trade has anything to do with Kenyon Green. True. They're not like, oh, we got this guy who could be our next Mikey Bechtin. That is true. They're not saying that.

Not yet. No, that is true. And like the Texans are picking up half the money. They're paying him a million and a half dollars. I don't think that their hopes are super high for him. Interesting. And he's not, you know, Fran had, I thought France Gouting report was awesome yesterday. But he's not, if you look at the athletic testing at the combine, he's not like an athletic

Marvel. He's not one of these guys who tested out of the gym. He's really strong. He moves well, but he's not a, yeah, he's not like a workout warrior. No, his strength is his strength per se, right? Which tracks with the way that they used Mackay back in last year, right? If he could be a mauler in the run game, that would be nice. But I'm not so sure.

Yeah, I mean, but I do think if they're acquiring him, there's his interest from Jeff Stalind. No doubt. And that doesn't mean he's the starter. But I also think that Tyler Starr. has had multiple touch points here to become the starter, and that hasn't happened. I don't buy into the framing that Tyler Steen's injury last year is why Bechton got the job. I thought you were ahead of that overall.

It was like a convenient reason for the Eagles. Once the Eagles moved Bechton over, I think that signal that they weren't confident in Steen. No doubt. And that they were kind of opening that up for Becht in the win. We have a conspiracy theory here as to why you won't mention the Greg Paul situation from Tomolex. in a super chat. He says, Zach was probably tripping balls. What does that mean?

It means you're tripping on drugs. Oh, no. I assure you that was not the case. I finally made Julia laugh. I think she's laughing at me, though, for not tripping on drugs. Just look laughing with you. Fine. You know what? I want this show to end at some point, so I guess I'll just tell the story here. Okay.

Greg Paulus is from Syracuse, New York. He was a student at Christian Brothers Academy. who committed to Duke pretty early on, right? And so I was playing basketball, and they were, like, locals playing basketball there. And this was before he was at Duke. And so someone said, do you know who that is? That's Greg Paulus.

But I didn't, at the time, I didn't know, I don't know if it was Greg Paul's now. So I don't want to identify Greg Pauls. And then this gets back. He's the coach at Niagara right now. And then Greg Pauls is like, I was not playing at Flanagan Gymnasium. that summer.

So that's why that's why I was cryptic about it. I told you, it's not something I wanted to get into. All you had to say in the beginning

was I was playing pickup basketball in a game with Greg Paulus and we could have just moved on and now all of a sudden as if that word would have gotten back to him and he would have said, hey, wait a second,

what are you talking about when and where there's no chance that was me? Like, Bo, you say this. What are you word? about us getting sued? As if you say this,

as if you would ever let me move on from anything, okay? Yeah, but I think you need, the scouting report here is, if you have any hesitancy about telling something, yeah, I'm going to pick it at that. If you just go through it, I'll move on. I think the scouting report here is I'm just not going to volunteer anything. I thought I made a nice comment earlier about the high school

that he went, that Cooper flag went to, I'm sorry, that Nick Cairner Medley went to. And your response was to make me sound creepy for knowing a high school. No, I never said creepy. We had to rewind the tape. I said weird and borderline deranged, I think, or disturbing, I think. Okay.

Creepy never, never creepy. Okay. So. I mean, that Greg Paula's story is amazing. It's not even amazing. It's a bad story. It's amazing that you were worried about that. I just wanted to move.

on from the conversation. I did not want to put someone into place that they weren't. That's all it was. That's all it was. It was one of those things where I said it and I shouldn't have said it. Thank you to all the Niagara basketball fans for watching on Fast. We will finish the rest of this episode on all p.cholwine.com. You can check it out there.

That is bewildering. It informs every other thing you're afraid to share. If that's the level of thing that you're afraid to share, there's so much out there that must mean nothing that you're afraid to share. Can you just ask you a question? Of course. Honestly, if you're doing a show with someone and someone's like, I don't want to get into it.

Why don't you just say you don't want to get into it? There was actually a show recently where I think it was you and Jamie and you didn't want to name where you went to high school. Is that right? Or something with... I don't think so. Okay. It's possible and something, but I don't think that's what it was.

And Jamie just moved on. He didn't want to halt the show. He just moved on. And I respected that. It's like, all right, instead of clearly trying to make someone feel uncomfortable, you just move on. There's going to be a Reddit form about this. By the way, people on Reddit will know exactly what I'm talking about. There's going to be a Reddit form about this interaction.

I think you're ascribing, I'm not trying, I'm not here to try to make you uncomfortable. I'm trying to get to the bottom of stuff. Yeah. Okay. When you throw out a crumb, I'm hungry. I want to eat. I want the audience to eat. I am a proxy for the audience. When you throw out these things, they want to know them too. I don't know if you can speak for the audience. Sometimes the audience, I think, has enough of this, and they find it uncomfortable as well.

Okay. Well, they can buy pizza somewhere else. I hope they don't. I want them to come to our pizza shop every day. And all our emergency pizza shops as well. Dinkleberg with the super chat says, Zach, tell us about a time you farted in a public setting and you wish you hadn't. I would never ask you that. You don't have to answer that. Super chat from Rob, who says, role play the quote-unquote great call

between Howie and C.J. Gardner Johnson. Do you want to be C.J.? Not really. Okay. I'll be Howie. I think you're better off of C.J. here. Okay, fine. Okay.

Hey, Seancy, I want to let you know that we're trading you to Houston. I'm sorry, who's this? This is Howie Rooseman, the GM of the Philadelphia Eagles? Never heard of you. Well, Chauncey, I just want to let you know that we are trading you to the Houston Texans. I want you to understand this has nothing to do with what we think of. What the hell? This has nothing to do with what we think of you as a player as a person.

We value you, but we're in a situation financially where, We can't pay everyone. And I think Houston is going to be a better spot for you financially. Wait a second. You're the guy who got hit by the beer, right? You must still be concussed. I am the person who acquired you twice. That is correct.

Man, this is fucked up. Who's working blue now? Luckily it's after the 60 minutes on fast. That's okay. and seeing not our best Super chat from RL who says Eagles fan from Philly

now living in Portland Maine Go birds, go bears, go Rams You forgot go moose And then I think we have another super chat What's your favorite? Oh, by the way, I got a message yesterday from someone who lives in Maine Who appreciated that I stuck up from Maine

Talking about the Black Bears I got it we got a, I got a message yesterday message from someone who says they lived in Maine their entire life and they've never, they've never seen or heard about bears ever. They never heard the nickname for the state's flagship university. No, it's not, but you, it's just like, do you think that everybody in Philadelphia loves a nitty lion? No, but I think if you said to someone from Philadelphia about a nitty lion, they would know

what you're referring to. You never said they would know what you're referring to. You said they love black bears in Maine. Okay. Okay. What's the next super chat? That's just a freebie from K. Fergie. Kay Fergie. Thank you very much.

Thanks, Kay Fergie. And what do we have at the top here? That's from Claire, who says she's wearing a blouse that has French writing and the Eiffel Tower on it. Will Bo do the entire pod and a French accent, please? I'm afraid it's too late. Pardon. Don't. I've never been to Paris, but I recently watched the documentary on the Olympic basketball

from last year. Real cool scenes in Paris in there. It's like that Olympics looked pretty awesome. Sure. And a good doc. John, given a shout-out to Portland, Maine, mentions that there's a contestant in the upcoming season of Top Chef with a restaurant in Portland. Saw the list of contestants.

since we got nobody from Philly on this season? What the hell? What's your favorite restaurant? Outrageous. Oh, Portland, Maine is a great food city. Yes. There's a ton of great restaurants. Any one to stick out in particular?

Or is something you don't want to share? I don't want to share because I'm, frankly, I'm not sure if Greg Paulus was actually there or not. Okay. How can we possibly finish the show without you sharing that information? And we should also, you should also talk about where you work before the athletic, too, while we're at it, right? I can talk about that. No, I'm just kidding. It's a place called Taylor.

Ah, Taylor made for you. Ha-ha. I will answer your questions. We're good. Okay. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.I. Eagles podcast. We are here waiting for news so we can emergency pod. We need those views.

Let's go. How we do something. But I don't know. We'll be here. And if there's nothing that happens between now and tomorrow, you know we'll be here at 2 o'clock. Bo Wolfzak Berman. Julia, what else do you need to know?

Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We will talk to you later, if not tomorrow. And as always, we love you.