PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Does Arnold Ebiketie SOLVE Howie Roseman’s Edge Quest? | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

Mina Kimes joins the show to discuss the Eagles’ additions of Riq Woolen, Arnold Ebiketie and a new-look tight end room as free agency rolls on for Howie Roseman. EJ Smith and Bo Wulf break it all down. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

and welcome the PHLI Eagles podcast on Friday afternoon, live from the Xfinity studio, and presented by Ashley. Free agency frenzy rolls right along. Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, E.J., how the heck are you? I'm doing pretty well. It's Friday. I'm excited for the show. Got those Rebecca Black vibes. Man, now that is a reference that I can understand to pick up on. I love, I love that song.

You, like, unironically love Friday. It's a great song. Got to have my bowl. to have cereal. So relatable. Do you actually like the song? I like that song. No, you're just... We used to play that song in the Eagles office. I mean, all the time, every Friday.

I don't believe you, actually. I think you're just being, you know... I like that song. As my dad would say, facetious with a pH. Okay. No, I like that song. It's fine. It's fine. It's so good. It's bad, is I guess the point. Yeah, I mean, I've listened to it enough times in my life that I now have... I have positive feelings about it. I'm not looking forward to the weekend.

I'm looking forward to this show. I'm going to be where my feet are. Oh, okay. What's coming on this show? All kinds of stuff. All kinds of stuff. Arnold, Katie.

Just to chat with me to Kimes. I got my love is blind takes out. I feel great. Bring that to you in a little bit. Well, today is supposed to be Decision Day on Dallas Goddard. Yeah. It'll be funny if they just keep pushing it along every two days,

like a, you know, like a flunky. college student asking for an extension from the professor. Yeah, I mean, you know, and they've got a and they've got me. And he's like, all right, fine, but this time it's for real. Does sound familiar. Sorry, my seventh grandparent just died. I need an extra.

Oh, don't, don't do that. That's not nice. You shouldn't say that. You shouldn't say that. People are making that up. You know, you know people who have done that. Yeah, I know people that would do that, but I wouldn't accuse anyone of doing that. That's why they do it.

That's why they do it. So I would never accuse somebody of making something like that up. Okay. Well, let's get into it. Let's get into Arnold Ebikati. But before that, because we're going to talk a little bit about, you know, what we saw just flashing through some film. But you want some expert film analysis. You can get it from the great Fran Duffy.

We have an awesome event coming up. Fran's film session, April 8th, 6 to 8 at Next Inline comedy. He's going to go through everything he's seen from the guys that the Eagles have signed in for agency. Also a little bit of a preview. of some draft stuff. This is a diehard only event, and Connor Barwin is going to be there. So we're raising money for Connor Barwin

to make the world better foundation. A little meet and greet with Connor Barwin. Awesome experience. Die Harder only. Tickets are going to go fast. It's going to be cool, cool for, I mean, it's going to be cool for everyone to get to, like, interact with Connor Barwin.

He's a name you hear a lot around the building, especially among players because of how, just many, like, I guess just how much he handles, how much is like under his, his purview. He's going to do a good job people trying to come up and tackle him. He's able to avoid pressure. Yeah, he's the, you got to read all phtoI.com to find out what that means. But yeah, he's got a big hand in player development in that building.

All right, let's get into the big takeaway presented by our friends at Xfinity. The big takeaway today is all about Mr. Arnold. Nice job on the thumb with Hey, Arnold. Arnold DeBocati. You've slept on it. You've had a little bit of time to analyze a player, the addition. What do you think since we talked last night? So looking at some of the reaction about Arnold Ebikati,

the thing I would say is I know that we've used Aziz Ojalari and Josh Ushay as the examples of the type of signing that this is, but I do think there's reason to believe that he will be a higher floor player than either of those guys were last season. I think if you use Aziz O'Jolari as the example, it is a little bit of a cautionary tale about you don't always want to put a lot of faith in a player that has struggled throughout their career. But I think it's important to note that like Arnold Epicady has been available for the

almost his entire career. You know, he's I think he's played yeah, he's played 16 or 17 games each of the last four years. So with Azizos-A-Lari, I think injuries were a big factor there. Yeah, I think his body was broken. Yeah, when we got to training camp, we immediately could see like this guy doesn't have a lot of juice left. Arnold Ebikati hasn't been as productive as you would have hoped for his draft

pedigree, but I think that it's a safer bet to make that his best football is ahead of him because he doesn't have the injuries that are going to to hamper him going into this next stop. And you're always trying to wonder why is this player available? I think Fran said this when we talked about him during Clacketology, that sometimes when you have regime change, guys can shake loose. And obviously they used first-round picks on edge rushers last season. They need edge-rush help. Yeah.

it would be nice for them to keep him around. But just, just flashing through my own, my own eyes on Evacati. I don't think that there is like starting upside here. But I think, I think he is a, a very solid third or fourth guy

in the rotation. He plays on both sides. His body is fine. Like he still got juice in his legs, it looks like to me. He is not a refined pass rusher. There's not a lot of like, you know, winning with his hands.

But one thing I, do like that stood out to me is he does a very good job of keeping his eyes on the quarterback midrush and sort of adjusting his plan based on where the quarterback is you see him getting involved a lot that way and he can drop back in coverage so in terms of a guy who can fill a bunch of different roles for you he makes sense as a as a part of the rotation look at this guy somebody was over there crunching the film eating some tape doing some guys I'm impressed listen I could do a guy That was a good scouting report right there. I agree.

You floated it during the emergency pod, which was fine. I'm not saying I'm like, I'm not trying to like pick a fight with you about something you said on the pod. I think that they do need a number one in this room still. I don't think they need a number one. Okay, so now I am picking a fight. I don't think that this, maybe in a Vic Fangio world where he's kind of like, you know, I don't need that. I don't need that.

I think it would be nice to have a number one. Now, I think that to be the type of contender that they want to be, I think they need a number one in this. room. Well, I am. You go into next year with Jalick Smith and Nolan Hunt. Wow, that's very funny. Friday. Jalick Hunt and Nolan Smith as your top two, you don't have enough firepower off the edge. I am holding space for the possibility, as I have talked about, that Jalick's Hunt himself can become a true number one. Yes, just like we're holding space for like Arnold Ebikady being like a four or five sack rotation guy. But that doesn't mean that you're counting on. Different entirely. I think there's, I think there's a real chance that Jalix Hunt turns into a superstar. Yeah, I agree. But I don't think you can go into next year saying the firepower on the edge is contingent upon Jalick's Hunt becoming a baby Miles Garrett. I don't think that you go in. Hope is not a strategy in that.

No, but I, again, I would, number one would be nice. And I think a Jonathan Grenard trade would make a lot of sense for them. But I also think they can afford to approach this similarly to the way they did last year and then find next. year is Jalen Phillips. I think that is, I think that is a reasonable way to go about it. Okay, we can find common ground here because I think it's unlikely they're going to make it through the season thinking they're going to have one of the best three defenses in football and that's all they have on the edge. But I think they can afford to be patient or at least not be overpaying for something. The common ground we can find is I think edge rushers are starting to feel

like relief pitchers in the NFL where you can kind of get an impact edge rusher around the trade deadline from a team that's out of it. You know what I mean? Like, you can find those guys a little bit more easily than you could, like, a lockdown corner or obviously, like, you know, a wide, I mean, a quarterback, obviously. I think a wide receiver even is like can be a little bit of a mercenary position. You know, I get like a total, like difference maker maybe at the deadline, but I think Jalen Phillips types are usually available at the deadline. And I'm going to use this example. Not always as young, but yes.

Sure. Yeah, you could, yeah, maybe a little bit of like a ring chaser, you know, like Bradley Chub would have been the example. like I would use if the Eagles had traded for him. But I do think I'm going to use this example a lot this off season. There have been examples of the Eagles having unsettled positions going into training camp and finding answers by week one like CJ Gardner Johnson. This could be one of those situations if the Jonathan Grenard thing drags out or if he ends up elsewhere. I also, I don't know what Howie Roseman's appetite for going about the same way he did last year is.

Because, I mean, think about, I think it was probably good progress. the way they handled it last year. The bet diversification that they had. They signed Ojalari. They had Okoronkwo. They signed Josh Ushay. Zedarius Smith. Brandon Graham.

Like between all of those players, you would have thought that somebody would have popped. I think I might be even forgetting somebody else. But didn't happen. And then you go for Jalen Phillips. I don't think that that's a bad way to go about it. And really, the main reason they had to go out and trade Jalen Phillips is that Nolan Smith couldn't stay healthy.

So I think if you are hoping that, whether it's Jalick's ascending, Nolan playing like the way he played at the end of the 2024 season, Evacetti taking a little bit of a jump, they're going to add some other veteran for, you know, a veteran minimum contract with incentives or something like that. Between all of that, maybe in the draft as well, you wait and see what the draft gives you. I think that is a fine approach to take barring somebody like Grenard. I agree. I would just say that maybe I'm a little bit more inclined to include in the range of outcomes and probably put more turkeys on a splashy move to get somebody at the top of the depth chart. Maybe they go into training camp and we're like, man, Jalick's Hunt stock up.

This guy is about to have a double-digit sack season. He is going to be their ace. But outside of that, I do think that they might be more aggressive than maybe. It's also about priorities. Like, do you think that adding a number one edge rusher is more important than finding a safety or a tight end or a wide receiver in a post-A. Brown world? I would put, I would say tight end more important.

Wide receiver, if in a post-A. Brown world, I'd probably say wide receiver more important. I'd put edge over safety, though. Okay. Yeah, I think it's just easier to insulate that position. You know, and who knows if Michael Carter or like, you know, Andre Sam or somebody from the, you know, the group of guys that they had on,

toward the bottom of the depth chart last year, if one of those guys can really turn into something, I would probably say edge is the most important thing on defense right now. There's also, you know, talking to BG about it yesterday, the Rik-Willen addition, the classic marriage between Russian coverage. Yeah.

In theory, if you have hit on Rik-Will in the way that you think you have. You got more time to rush. Yeah, you got more time to rush and adding and spending real resources on a top of the market edge. is theoretically less important. Yeah, that's fair.

I had quick note on Rekwlin. I really enjoyed his introductory press conference. He's got a big personality. I think, you know, and we'll hear from Mena on this, I think that his, the concerns about, like, him having this, like, C.J. Gardner-Johnson type personality maybe is a little bit overstated. I'm not sure.

Like, the Eagles have had defensive backs with big personalities before. You know, Darius Lay was just in Philadelphia. I think we've seen examples of guys who, like, you know, have that whatever word you want to use, bravado, or, you know, like, just, you know, I would say with Slay, it was more like a childlike enthusiasm. Yeah, Slay was much different, yeah. But I kind of think Rie Kooland probably sits somewhere in between those guys more than just like a C.J. Gardner Johnson clone.

Yeah. I am still, when we talk to Mina about this, I'm still a little bit wary of Seattle letting him go. Yeah, that's fair. Personality-wise, but I also think pricing that in because it's a way. one-year contract makes a lot of sense. Yeah, but do you think, well, why don't we talk about it on the other side of the segment with Mina? Okay.

Yeah. Do we have Mina ready? Not yet. So see what you did there. You just threw everything off. I'm sorry. But we can close the book on the big takeaway presented by our friends at Xfinity. I mean, listen, you can't always have every club in the bag.

Ouch. I'm clearly remorseful. I said, I'm sorry. You didn't have to kick me while I was down. All right, let's take a quick break on the other side. We'll continue this conversation. We'll talk about Decision Day with Dallas Garner, the report from Diana Rossini about A.J. Brown trade speculation continuing.

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podcast, E.J., got some devastating news. You. Why? Co and Bo Dream is dead Our walls are safe That's right The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are resigning

Tight End extraordinary co-keefed According to Jason Lick It's light Light shoot Man I'm I'm I'm as my It's Friday It's fine I'll rebound

I know you will Maybe You always do Eventually How you feeling? Well, I mean, once they signed Johnny Monta, I felt like it was probably not going to happen. Who's to say?

I don't know. The dream was still alive. You know, this is good news for it. Flickering, yeah. Like, I Cam Latu. Please. Every move that's happened this week, I just had to ask myself,

what does this mean for Cam Latu's legacy? Whatu Latu? That's okay. That was all right. Okay. Now, listen, it is, we're talking tight ends. So let's remember that in theory, we're supposed to have some kind of resolution on Dallas Goddard's future by around 4 o'clock today.

Do you think we're going to get it? No, you're never going to get it. I think we will get it. You're never, ever going to get it. I think we will get it. I would qualify it with the same thing that we qualified the Jalen Phillips extension talks with. The longer it goes, the less likely it is. It might be an obvious thing, but.

Oh, I actually don't agree with that. Really? Yes. I think the longer it goes, more likely to see he comes back. I mean, the reality is that, like, if they were going to come to an agreement, you think that there's like the, oh, man, like, that means that the 359 deadline, they're going to rush it, they're going to run in the extension.

No, I just think that the longer it goes, the more other teams have filled holes and the Eagles have not filled their tight on hand. I don't know if I, I don't know if I agree with that. I think it really just comes down to whether or not they can agree on a number. And the longer, the closer they get to 4 o'clock when, you know, other teams would then be like if he's if it if it if it's not by four o'clock it's it's over they're not going to take the dead cat pit and then bring it back they might they did that with fletcher cox a couple years ago they did do it with fletcher cox a few years ago but that was different and like it wasn't like they missed a

deadline it was just kind of like it almost seemed like um i don't want to speak out of turn about the fletcher cox thing but it seemed different than this why what do you think happened i'm i don't want to say okay it just seems different than this one okay i think the I think that Dallas, oh, no, I suspect that Dallas Goddard would like to be back. I suspect the Eagles would like to extend him. So I still think it will happen. But again, I probably would have expected it to happen. I expected it to happen probably by now.

Okay, maybe it'll happen during the show. I was about to say they got 90 minutes. Or not. Maybe they extended again. If, I don't even can you extend it again? Sure. Okay. There's no rules.

There are rules, but. Might be easier to just not get into the weeds on that one. I bet this is, I bet this has got to be so frustrating for Dallas Goddard specifically. Like, just give me the money, man. Like, come on. Stop jerking me around.

I've been here for eight years. A little respect. Maybe. I think, I think that players are used to this with the Eagles. This is how they operate, which is, you know,

understandable. But yes, even like someone with tons of, tenure with the organization, it's still going to have to go through these types of contract negotiations. Yeah, there is a, for the long time Eagles, there's an interesting arc where for your first resigning contract, you really get like overpaid. Yeah, you get the Jordan Davis. It's like, we really love you. We really want you to be here forever. And then once that contract starts becoming a little bit onerous,

then all of a sudden it's batch it down, batch it down, batch it down, betcha. And it's like, and it's like, we don't need you at all. Yeah. And it's like the,

the longer you have become a beloved franchise staple, the more they're going to try to hammer you down contract-wise. I feel like, I think Kelsey is just about to say, I think Kelsey is the exception there. Lane might be an exception too.

Yeah, although I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to make Lane take a little bit of a pay cut this year because they didn't play as much. haircut. No, I wasn't going to say that. Okay, I thought you were like steering yourself away from saying haircut. No.

But yeah, I mean, even like the BG situation. Like, I mean, just pay the guy. What are we doing? I mean, I think it speaks to, they try to squeeze out every ounce of the salary cap. But yeah, I agree with you also that it's like these guys have been here. Go somewhere else. Come on. Well, that's like, especially with BG, that is like, he doesn't want to play anywhere else,

which I think, I said this on the Anthony's show. I think Eagles fans should really. really appreciate that. Like, I think if BG were willing to play somewhere else, teams would be interested. I mean, at least in a smaller role,

I think they'd be interested in bringing him on, but he doesn't want to play anywhere except for Philadelphia. I think that's admirable. Okay. How many turkeys are you putting on, we do an emergency podcast after the show is over because of Dallas Goddard's return to the Eagles? Like 55.

Yeah. I mean, it's going to happen. and our show is over at like three something. So, yes, like 55. TikTok. Make it happen. Be nice if it happened during the show. You know it's going to happen the second I hit end.

That's honestly the best result for us is it happens right when the show is over. Yeah. Because then we get to squeeze you for extra numbers. Oh, don't. We don't squeeze the audience. We honor. It's good for our numbies. Numbies.

You really said it. We honor the news that has. We know that you know you're not there's not gonna be a lot of options right after news happens where you can hear someone discuss it Plus it's also it is nice when we get an emergency pod in studio Is it yeah looks good yeah I like the energy of when we're at home at why but yeah it's good to mix it up I like the chaotic like franz blinker becomes a thing because you know it's where we're living our lives and We will always be there I do like this idea from CDP is that we just get held hostage. We commit to doing this show until there's a Dallas got

resolution. I don't think Lindsay likes that idea. Now, I probably should ask you this off air, but if Dallas Goddard, if the void deadline passes and Dallas Goddard becomes a free agent, are we doing an emergency pot on that? I think not. Yeah, I don't think so because maybe the Fletcher Cox situation is the template there. Yeah, I think until we have an actual, if he signs elsewhere, then I think we can, we can probably do a quick check in. The one thing I will say about like the Fletcher Cox situation is that there was like, like his contract was so complicated that there was a little bit more there than just like, you know, oh, well, we couldn't come to an agreement by the deadline, so we had to cut it

loose. Like, I think that that one, there were, there were a lot of things at play there. And the contract being was definitely one of them. Okay. I'm happy to see that people in the chat do not mind a little squeezy squeeze. No, I don't, I don't like that. Our relationship with the audience is not transactional like that to me, at least to be. I appreciate that they they tune in every day, they watch the show. I'm not trying to squeeze you guys for numbers. Well, so do I. But see, the diehards, the sickos here,

they're going to be with us anyway, and they want to help out. And they also know that the milking sometimes brings in other people. Yeah, exactly. And then the community grows and it's special. But I'm not like sitting here like, oh, that would be great so we could squeeze you guys for more numbers.

That's not what I'm about here. By the way, speaking of the sickos and the people who, who are happy to be squeezed. Shout out to Corey because I mentioned, I mentioned that you were anti-Mayer and then I heard some negative feedback about that, about you and it was Corey.

Unfair negative feedback about me. Oh, it's not unfair. Like every piece of feedback about me. You just told on yourself. I think Corey is- I am not denigrating John Mayer as a guitarist. Yeah, but you are- All I'm doing is bringing up a funny thing.

Yeah, but it's like, Oh, do you think- Oh, dear you remember the thing he said about Jessica Simpson? Yeah, it's like at some, we know that that's what you're thinking about. So? Shout out to Corey.

Corey is like, him and I have like singular, a singular set of interests. Like our, our interests are like a circle on the Venn diagram. Okay. I can appreciate that. Now you,

you spend time this morning putting together your, your guitar hero list. No, it's a very specific guitar hero list. Do you want it now? We're talking about it. Okay.

I did top five guitars that were born after 1980. Because it really cuts your options. You know, most of the guitar heroes out there are, you know, of a different era. Modern guitar heroes are usually older people. Okay. Older, really older men, if I'm being totally real. Okay.

So. It's Jessica Simpson makes a list. I don't know. So stop me if you've heard any of these people. Are we going, we going five to one? Yeah, I don't have them. I guess I have them in order. Okay.

All right. You're going to tell me if you've heard of these people. Mattias Asato Never heard of him I think he is Mattes Asato is kind of like a Gennaro Gattuso type short

Stopper plays with an edge gets a lot of yellow cards But he's the guy you want on your team Foxhole guy Yeah He is in my opinion The best guitarist

Born after 1980 Oh you're starting from the time We're supposed to count up Oh well we already started And who does he play for He plays he's like an An instrumental guitar player but like all of the young guitar icons are like social media phenoms like that's what they that's what

they're known for so he's not in a band uh i think he plays like he's like a studio musician i think he plays in bands but not like i don't listen to his one has that the halcyon days when when the best guitarists were actually in a band oh i agree i completely agree uh my number two is in a band you will not have heard of him his name is chris buck chris buck was a backup center uh for the 1990 90s, got dunked on quite a bit. Wait, in real life? No. Okay, I was going to say, Chris Buck sounds like the most like broad, shouldered, square-jawed,

English striker ever. Oh, disagree. Chris Buck is a backup sloppy center. He is incredible guitar player. He's in a band called Cardinal Black. I'll give him the free advertising. Cardinal Black, interesting. Never heard of Chris Buck.

You would probably like their music, although I don't know with you anymore. Number three, Joey Landrith. I think somebody in the chat has heard of this guy. Joey Landriff is a race car driver. Yeah, from like the south. Yeah. He's actually Canadian. He plays a baritone guitar and he plays slide.

And he is like, he like embodies like a singer the way that he plays guitar. It's very, very musical. I would say all of three of these guys do that though in different ways. Number four, Corey Wong. You've probably heard of Corey Wong, right? Never heard of Corey Wong? Corey Wong is Corey Wong ran a

spirited upstart campaign trying to steal a Democratic Senate seat in Texas but unfortunately the odds were just too far stacked against it Yeah nice nice Corey Wong is a fun guitarist

from Volfvpec is the name of the band I just His guitar playing is very good. He's very, like, he's got a very distinct style. Okay. All right. Last one. Number five.

John Mayer? It's not John Mayer. He's old. He's too old. He's born before 1980? That can't be right. Yeah. Did I screw this up?

No, he's born 77. Oh, okay. He's been around a while. Lindsay finally speaking our language. I had a couple for my five or my fifth. So I'll give, I'll give you. and I'll give you my two honorable mentions. Okay.

Number five is Isaiah Sharkey. You don't know who he is, but he's awesome. Isaiah Sharkey is a very prolific score with a bad shooting percentage for a mid-major team. Was around for a long time. Like, just would just chuck threes and would score like 30 points a game sometimes, but was a little bit too undersized to make it in the league. Oh, I like that one. I like that one a lot.

he is an R&B guitarist he's insane like he plays like stunt guitar in my opinion like he's one of those guys um he also is a like one of the

the rhythm guitar players for John Mayer younger guy just like a powerhouse honestly like stunt guitar isn't my thing when you like can just do things that like shouldn't be possible

on guitar but if it was my thing he probably would be higher on my list okay all right honorable mentions Tom Mish I like a Tom Mish I need to get

Tomish what That was good Do you want to tell me What Thomas the tank engine Thomas Mish I like his music Tom is so funny I need to get more acclimated

With his music Before I can put him in my top five It's Tom Great to me too Thomas Mish He's gonna watch this And he's gonna be like

This guy's just making fun of my name Thomas Jefferson I hate that Lindsay's laughing at this I hate it so much Thomas just perfect It's a great name Didn't think about it Tom

Did not think about it Okay Lindsay's really laughing He's like crying Other people laughing Like when Beau really laughs That's like It's such a bad job

If it gets me Brother Thomas? You're crying now. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. You got two out of three tears on Tom Mish. Now we know what people need to comment in the in the chat. Yeah. Yeah, Tom Mish.

Shout out to Matt McWicker. Tom Mish Booker. That's the guy who's his agent. Tom Mish. Okay. Matt Quinn. Shout to Matt Quinn. Shout to Sam Cooper from Mount Joy.

Okay. Friends. Friends of, can I say Friends of the pod? Yeah. I mean, well, Matt Quinn. Matt Quinn is a defop, he's a sicko. Okay, yeah, I mean, I didn't know if I was allowed to call him anything. Yeah, sure.

I haven't done a pod with him yet. Yeah, so that's my list. If you've heard of Mateus DeSato, Chris Buck, or Joey Landrith, I want you to reach out to me. I need to feel seen. Now, how do you feel about, I mean, the fact that you're including Matt Quinn, but you didn't put him in the top five,

feel like that's a shot across the bow? It's not. It's not. What did you want me to put him number one? If I feel like Mateus DeSis DeSato, is the greatest guitar player born since 1980. I'd say number one, but in the top five, if you're going to include him at all.

Honestly, if I was doing musicians, these guys would have been in the top five, but we're doing strictly guitar. Joey Lanth would have been higher if it was just musicians, too. His music is great. Okay. I appreciate you let me do this.

I had fun. You had fun too. It was absolutely worth it just so that I could hear about, Tomish. Oh, Tomarillo, I don't think, is young enough. No chance. Yeah. No, yeah, he was born in 64.

I probably did forget somebody, but not Tom Arello. He's too old. All right. Just a dynamic segment. We appreciate that. Now we're going to get to some football. Mina Kimes is going to join us on the other side to talk about Rik Wollen, Johnny Munt, some of the strategic decisions he goes have to make.

And also what she thinks Zegos might do in the draft. So stick around. And love is blind. Mina Kimes on the other side. In the meantime, let us know your famous. your favorite, Tomish. If you're like me, you're starting to eye up some of your home renovation projects for the spring in the summer.

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no no no no we are even I did that I felt bad and you like berated me about it you do it and you're just like oh it's fine no no no no because you did it when you knew that there was a possibility was not going to be ready yeah and you still should have you should have I did it when it was at this point it should be ready yeah that's good yeah

Lindsay agrees. No, we both. Lindsay, are we even or did I actually do the right thing? Did you do the right thing? I did technically say I'll tell you when. It's definitely ready. But I mean, every reasonable expectation. Don't let him do this to you, Lindsay.

No, let him do it. Just say sorry. All right, AJ Brown. He's like, I'm good. Diana's report today that talks are still very much ongoing. And the Rams might be a possibility here. What do you make of that? I think that it's clear.

Here, the Rams are pushing all their chips into this season with Matthew Stafford. So I think it makes sense in that regard. I don't know if it makes sense for the Eagles to trade AJ Brown to the Rams because of what it would mean in division in the conference. Rather, I wanted to also note that Brian Baldinger told our friends at DNVR, actually, that the Broncos also have interest in AJ Brown, which is a team. I said that, remember? Yeah. That's the team that makes a lot of sense to me. We've been all over it.

Yeah. That's what you're saying. We have, well, our speculation has been all over it. And now there's real reporting. To me, that was the most under-discussed clear dot to connect. Yeah. Because they have a late-round pick, so they're going to want to use that. They need help for Bonix.

They think they're Super Bowl ready. Yeah. Right. So to me, the draft does still seem like the next natural deadline for something to happen. I think at this point, if you're the Eagles, the closer you get to June 1, the longer it might be you just feel okay. You feel confident you have a market that will be there after June 1 where you can spread it out. I don't know what the contract is like for the trading team,

but would you be interested in Devante Adams coming back in an AJ? Like it's Devante and a one for AJ Brown. I'm not sure I'd want to do that, especially if Brian Thomas Jr. is still on the Jaguars. I know that they've said that they don't want to trade him, but I don't feel like amazing about Devante Adams. No, but it's a... It's just like a wider receiver...

Right. I mean, if you don't have anybody else right now. I think you could probably figure it out. still. Especially, I think if you're going into the draft, even if you're saying, okay, post-June one is when we are targeting this trade, if you feel good about your market, you can still draft a receiver in the first round and feel, or the second round, and feel good about how they fit with A.J. Brown or without A.J. Brown. I think you could probably still navigate it without forcing it. So I think I'd rather look at the other options rather than Devante Adams. it would depend entirely to me on if that even makes sense cap-wise and could change his contract a little bit

but I think I kind of would be interested in just how old's he going to be next year it can be 34 35 no 34 I'd worry about what he would look like in yeah I'm not like but I think like he's he's where he should be you know like in a ram's offense where yeah they trade for a j they don't they're going to cut him yeah no I'm just which is probably another reason why you don't really need force it in a trade, right? Yeah. So I don't know. That, I would rather have the draft compensation.

I'd rather maximize. Oh, I agree with that. Yeah. I'm assuming that this is more, it's like a, it's a throw-in, essentially. Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't take it if I were the Eagles. Yeah. So you don't think, you still don't think, you think maybe post-June 1st is one or a draft? I do.

Now, Diana mentioned that there are roster moves that are contingent upon whether or not the Eagles will be keeping AJ Brown. It's an obvious thing. He's got such a high salary. So, especially with like the Dallas Scott-Gatter thing, like does that have any impact on it you know is does that create again a natural deadline where the Eagles wanted to make the decision sooner rather than later I wouldn't close the door on that but just like reading the terrain I think it would

make more sense to at least at least wait until we're closer to the draft okay what else you got um I'm looking through my notes Thomas Edison Thomas Crown Affair how many of these do you have Justin Thomas Not as good Yeah Justin Thomas Is not my favorite

I agree Like I don't know if you picked up on what I was actually saying there I don't like him as a golfer Okay Yeah it's fine did you watch full swing with him in it

I just like can't get rid of the visual of him sitting by his like beautiful pool in like this beautiful mansion and he's just like pouting because he didn't make the writer the rider cup and like I understand

the rider cup no this is like when this was back when oh maybe it was he got the news that he wasn't going to at first I think something he had missed out of the rider cup and I understand like you know

having all the material things in the world isn't necessarily going to make you happy. And I understand like from athletes, from an athlete's perspective, you, you know, it's an important thing, but I don't know. I just got. My Justin Thomas thing is, uh, through a terrible first pitch. That was, I'm not on him. Yeah.

That's surprising because he's a very explosive golfer. Yeah, but he's not a true. He's not a true athlete. There are, there are athletes who are good golfers and then there are just golf automaton's and he is that. All right. We have Mina ready. So we're going to take a quick break on the other side.

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All right, what a treat we have now bringing back our friend Mina Kimes to talk about some of the interesting things that have happened over the first couple days of free agency, including Mina. We'll talk about Rick Willen. You're an expert on Rick Willen, but I want to hear the start your excitement over the addition of Johnny Munt. You know, I've been asking for this for a while on your show, I feel like, since I started doing it. My kingdom for a blocking tight end. I don't even know.

I'm sure it's not a lot of money. I didn't look. Right. I actually don't think the details are out there yet. Okay. And no amount is too large for... Couldn't agree more. No, no.

You know, I think it points the Eagles offense in a good direction, which is, you know, we've talked about the importance of fixing the run game next year and some of the needed evolution, not just from a schematic perspective, but I think from roster construction as well. And to me, it's a, it's a good step in that direction. Yeah. I mean, you're speaking my language with the blocking tight end here, Mina. I wanted to ask you, because Johnny Munn spent his entire career in like either Sean McVeigh systems or systems influenced by Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shanhan. Do you feel like those tight end positions are like specialists? Do you think like it's important to have somebody who actually has hands-on experience in that system.

Definitely. And I guess that's actually my history with Johnny Munt is I've been calling the Rams preseason games since he was playing in the Rams preseason games. And understood pretty quickly how much the Rams valued him in that regard. Yeah. And, you know, since then, that was way before, too, they started putting this year, they've started doing more three tight ends on the field. But yeah, I do think he's a proven quantity.

there's like maybe like I don't know 10 tight ends around the NFL who I'd put in this group veterans especially in that in the in the in the shanahan mcbay offense offensive system so I do think his experience is going to be useful and like you know I think the only thing is just for Philadelphia they're going to have to pair him we'll see what happens is Goddard with another tight end who's a receiving threat and also you know in terms of his usage it can't be just like well john he mounts on the field we know what we're going to do right you got to find ways to put multiple tight ends on the field so that you can threaten run him. Yeah, and it can't also be that Johnny Munt is the only tight end who can block because it was funny that it happened like within minutes of the Grand Caceterra return. Grand Caceterre has his strengths, but it can't be just like, okay, we have checked the box of a blocking tight end. Everybody else can be unable to do it. They still need to fill that room out in a more cohesive way. Okay, let's talk about Rick Wullen because you have had a lot of experience watching him as Seahawks fan. You know the ups and the downs. What do you make of the Eagles targeting Rik Wullen as their big addition and free agency?

I thought it was a great signing. You know, first started here, it's a huge upgrade, obviously, of a cornerback two last year. Rieck is a player who I think probably a little undervalued at the end by Cioxx fans because of some of the frustrating kind of lapses, shall we say, which we can talk about. But as talented as any young corner in the league, you guys, you know, I'm sure I've been talking about his attributes. He's so traitsy. He's gigantic with super long arms and unbelievable speed, which allows him, it gives him like

a greater margin of error is how I would put. That's the thing kind of when you're watching him. I, you know, I don't think he gets beat a ton. But even when he does get beat, double moves and the like, his recovery speed is so insane. And that coupled with his length allows him to close and interfere with the ball in a way that just you cannot if you don't have those physical gifts. So, you know, he's remarkably talented. He's a very good man corner, which makes his kind of an interesting schematic fit, obviously,

and there's some questions there. But he's good in zone, too, because of how quickly he closes, can get his hands on the football. He's probably going to get targeted a lot, obviously playing opposite Mitchell and with Dijin in the slot. So there's, I think, some big play potential here. the downside tackling. I think he went from being very bad to just below average personally. Okay. He's not a good tackling corner.

You know, and penalties, you know, he's got some, I think that the two-play sequence in, I forgot if it was the playoff game, where he makes an incredible pass breakup on Puka Nakuwa. Yes. And then celebrates a taunting and then gives up a big play to Nakuwa. It's kind of like the woolen experience in Seattle in some ways. it's a little bit unfair because, but I do think you got, you saw the highs and the lows in a single moment. And that's probably why they were able to get him on this cheap deal.

Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like the play personality is a big topic of conversation with Eagles fans right now because they saw that big moment. I guess how prevalent is that like on a scale of like Quinnion Mitchell to C.J. Gardner Johnson, like how chaotic down in and down out is the requal and experience? Yeah. I think it can be a little bit overblown. I mean, he's had really good complete games too, you know. I think it's just because when he does probably too, and this is, again, it'll be similar in Philadelphia. Because in Seattle he was playing on such a good team

and you're going to see the same here, it stands out a little bit more if that makes sense in the same way that like Jackson stood out. But I think the biggest difference is if he gets targeted heavily, he has the ability to punish quarterbacks, I think, in a way that the Eagles corners just did not. Do you think Eagles fans should at least be wary of the fact that the Seahawks had plenty of cap room? They had two corners on the market, and they chose to bring back Josh Job instead of Reek Will and a guy who they knew and had developed and, you know, had had him for four years. Well, I think with Job, if I remember quickly, it was a two or three-year deal.

It was a two-year deal for him. Two-year, pretty cheap. Yeah. And then you look at how affordable woolen was in Philadelphia. I saw just up to 15, so it's not like... 12 is the base, yeah. Yeah, I don't know if that would have been on the table in Seattle, if that makes sense, right? And I think with Seattle, maybe it was, I don't know, but the hesitation was more,

we don't want to give him the big contract that he's seeking, for part because we're about to have a bunch of other mouths to feed, specifically JSN and Devon Witherspoon were in the same draft and they're going to get paid a ton of money, right? very soon. Wolland, I feel like, took this deal with Philadelphia because he wants the chance to get a gigantic contract next summer. And that's the bet both sides are making here, right? He can, it's a proven year.

So people say, well, yeah, he had that in Seattle, for sure. But because his play was a little bit up and down, he had to do it again. It sometimes happens in the NFL. And it's not surprising to me that the deal that you saw in Philadelphia wasn't something that would have worked for Seattle. I'm curious what you think about philosophically, because we spent so much time when we talked over the course of the season about having that weakness at corner with Adori Jackson. And if the Eagles do not make a serious addition at safety, what you sort of think of the choice to, if you are hoping to have the best defense in football, but you know that you're probably going to have one real weakness in the secondary, moving it from corner two or corner three, but the other corner on the outside to the second safety.

What do you think of that trade that the Eagles seem to be making? It's an interesting one. I think, I don't know if it's a weakness. I'll start there. You know, I'm optimistic. Well, and also see what the Eagles do in the draft. Sure. There is another, I'll just say it, another white safety.

They cannot take him. They cannot take Tiananmen in the first round. I did say to someone, with the organization ahead of the combine. I was like, would this be two on the nose? And then he, we're talking about the Oregon safety scene. And then he put up that performance at the combine that made me a little bit like, oh, was he going to be there?

I don't know. They got to, they have to go offense in the first round. They have to go offense. But anyway, yeah. Yeah, they could. But anyways. Yeah, it's an interesting question because it kind of raises the question of like,

who's protected more in the Fangio scheme, who's easier to protect? Right. I think it's interesting. I still like the young safety, so I actually view them as less of a weakness than cornerback two was last season. But I actually think it is a little bit easier to protect that position than it is the second quarterback.

You know, I think teams, especially smart teams, teams that use a lot of motion, were able to find ways to attack that, right? So I think it's a smart tradeout. I also think that woolen is more of an upgrade than safety is a downgrade. I think that's probably fair. And then when you're in base, you can play Cooper in safety because you have recoil. So it's fewer snaps that you have to worry about.

One of the other positions that we're keeping an eye on here mean is edge rusher. And Jonathan Grenard is somebody we've spent a lot of time talking about. How do you feel about his fit, potentially for the Eagles there? I think I posted this on Boos guy that he was very Fangio coded, similar to Jalen Phillips in some ways. And I do think they wanted to keep Jalen Phillips and just got priced out. But, you know, he is a very complete edge who plays the run very well, which is really important, obviously, in big fan Gio's defense.

I think probably a little bit less upside at this point than Phillips. and I know Phillips' SAC production wasn't there, but I thought he was very good in Philadelphia. But yeah, I think the devil, like, there's been rumors about Minnesota wanting to move on from him, you know, ahead of free agency. And I'm interested if the price just hasn't been there for them.

I forgot how oldie is what, like 30, right? Not even. I think he's only going to be 29 this year, 28 or 29. That's in my notes somewhere. So, but like, yeah, I think it would be completely worth it for, you know, I don't know what they're asking for mid-round draft pick. Especially because, you know, I don't think they're going to get a top edge where

they're picking in the draft. I think the way I look at this class is there's a pretty significant drop off to where Philadelphia is. So I would love that for them. Be 29 in May. We'll be 29. Okay. Do you have an Arnold Ebikady take?

That's fine. Yeah, I don't know. They filled out the roof. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I think, you know, is pretty telling that Atlanta, which has its own issues at edge, was willing to move on. But yeah, Grinard would be an excellent consolation prize in my mind for moving on for Phillips.

So we touched on it earlier. Do you disagree with the thought that they need to go offense early in this draft, given just the nature of the roster they have and needing to flip the costs everywhere? The last take I put out was tight end, which was Sadiq. If he's there, I think they'd take him. I think so, too. I think they would be willing to move up a little bit for him, Speaking of, and we were talking about the tight end room, he is like a true compete, complete and kind of like Goddard earlier in his career.

You know, like he, he really, he is a good blocker. I think maybe some, you know, with Sadiq, like the production is wasn't really there at Oregon, but when you watch the tape, you kind of see a lot of it had to do with how he was used, number of mouths they had to feed. And I think, you know, he put on such a freaking show at the combine. Yeah. Athleticism, stretching the field at yards after the cat. capable of doing it all. I would love that. I was a little bit, I had heard that some buzz around him

and potentially the Rams or the Chargers, so the two LA teams both. So we'll see if he's there. That would hit my Charlie Kohler prediction, EJ. No, no, no, no. No, I won't. Go ahead. Ask her about the Graham Platner of Free Agents.

I just want to know your thoughts on Charlie Kohler. On what side of this set do you think you would gravitate toward the the choler bears over here or the color haters on this side. I am struggling to follow the analogy. Does he have objectionable? No, no, it's not that. It is that. He is someone who no one has, it's like there's not a lot of information out there on.

And all of a sudden people are just convinced that he is the answer to every problem that you could have at tight edge. And then all of a sudden you get a little bit under the hook. It's actually not a lot there. So hyperbolic. He's an interesting. free agent because he was used he was limited usage mean i feel like and then people become very passionate about oh yes how dare you criticize charlie culler the the leagues can most complete tight end i something i'm a little bit wary of is like the those tight ends who are good blockers and because

there are other weapons on the offense just end up being wide ass open like uh right you know like that's the bucket i would probably put him in um i feel like every target he got he was just like I'm here and then Mar be like, all right, you know, like it. Or they would like leak him out. It was a good blocker though, so I can see the, I mean, it's very, you know, it's easy to see what the charges are trying to do this. Yes. Tight end, a receiver, obviously, there's a little bit of an elephant in the room that could dictate.

Yeah, yeah. Darius Cooper's ascension, I assume is what you're talking about. Wow, I've been doing this show long enough. I know some of your inside jokes. Yeah, I mean, I'm looking at the interior, the offensive line, and I think health will tell us, that's the great thing about the draft, right? Is like sometimes moves tell us what they think about players and their, and then, I mean, the reality is if they don't trade for Grenard, I do think they need to add edge. So I would say that would be the other big question mark. But there's not a lot.

It's still really good roster. I'm doing team needs on my podcast. Check it out. Meantime Show featuring Lanny YouTube. Good plug. Slash at Meena Guys. And I've just started that, you know, where you start going through teams after free agency. And the Eagles are pretty stocked. Stacked part of me.

Like you really don't have a lot of needs. Yeah. I think that's right. All right. Do I have time? Go ahead. 30 seconds. Whatever you got.

The coolest thing that happened to me this week, Mina, is I posted about Vic and Christine from Love is Blind and Christine hearted my story I posted about her. I said I would run through a brick wall What did you say? She didn't say anything. She just hearted it. But that was enough. The acknowledgement was enough.

What did you say? No, no. What did you say? Oh, I said I would run through a brick wall for these two. And I would. I love them so much. They saved the season. I'm not convinced that they weren't dating before the show

and that they were like a plant to make the season actually function because of the rest of the cast. But yeah, love Vic and Christy. So I have a podcast where we've been recapping Love is. line. We talk about TV. We're shifting to Paradise now, by the way, if anyone watches that. It's called viewer discretion. And we've been posting conspiracy theories about Vic and

Christy. Yes. Oh, really? Yeah, the thing. Yeah, that's like, are they real? Are they AI? I have enjoyed this. Yeah. But they are truly the only thing. No, not the only thing, but could you watch a reunion? They're the glue. Yeah, the reunion was. Great couple of you. Yes, it was excellent. For everybody except for Ashley. I felt like Ashley and Brie stocked down majorly. Yeah, they fit in. We do power rankings. They fell in the power rankings.

My girl Amber had a pretty tough performance. Yeah. Poor Amber. Not great. Yeah. Although she did rise a little bit. The real winner I thought was Nick Lachay. I was trying to,

to me, it was like, you guys can help me come up with like somebody who just keeps falling short in the playoffs. And then finally, like, has the performance everybody's been waiting for? Is this Sam Darnold?

Like, well, it's the, the Josh Allen to come. Yeah, yeah. He did ask some hard-hitting questions. Necessary. He was on their asses, those guys.

I had to, I had to applaud him. But yeah, go check out that pod too, if you guys listening. Andy Reed, I don't know. Maybe that we got that. By the way, Andy Reed. Yeah. Love is Blind Philadelphia, y'all, coming out soon.

You know what? Some friends I might be putting up for Love is Blind Philadelphia. Yeah. Cliffy, too. Cliffy, too. That's a good one. Is there anyone here we can get involved? I don't want to think about that.

I don't want to put anybody's business. out there. I think they're already taping it, so it might be a little late. All right. Thank you so much, Mina. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Talk to. Enjoy the offseason. And thanks for, thanks for all the insight. Take care. Back with more on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. And we are back on the Chauai Eagle Show. Hello. I am your host, E.J. Smith. And this is my, my guess. In my mind, I was going to break. He just popped in. You know, he just, he's just kind of, he's new here. Give him, give him grace. Bo Wolf. Now we are even. What? Now we are even.

no no i'm up no you know you said you said i was going to rebound look at us now look at us now are we in overtime oh wow look at lindsay just smooth operator smooth operator that was fun that was fun i thank you for letting me get my love as blind takes off you guys should watch the next season nah you know what no no no no i take that back if it's the philly one i could be i could be convinced if it's a good season i will ask you to watch it, then you can binge it, and then we can talk about it. Because this was a good season.

It's Philly next? Maybe. Maybe. Cliff, if you're listening. I might just put it on the first episode to see if I recognize anybody from around just seeing their face. From around the way. Around the way. Cliff, not.

See you later. Cliff, if you're listening, you need to go on Love is blind. Like, it would be the greatest content. Be good for Sheal. Be good for everybody. Be good for us, too. You know, you'd give us a plug, right? I feel like Cliff would do that for us.

Which eagle would you like to see? he don't love is blind. Oh, that's a good question. Like from like a selfish, like, I'm a reporter and I'd like to learn about this person. No, as a viewer of the show. Just a fan of content. A.J. Brown would be funny on love his mind, but he's in a relationship. So I don't want to.

Yeah. I think Jordan Davis is a good answer. Oh, that's a great. Well, he'd just be too good on the show. He'd be like too pure, you know? You want like a little bit of like. I'd like to get to the dynamic personality. One of his girlfriends, he went, he went somewhere with one of his girlfriends.

This was in a press conference from like a couple summers ago. Jordan Davis said this? Yeah. And I think he probably meant girl space friends, but the way he said it was very funny. One of my girl friends is what you think he said? I think that's what he meant. Or do you think he was saying he has like, yeah. I think it would be funny for him to put it out there.

He has girlfriends, like not like romantic girlfriends, but like, you know, a friend that's a girl that he calls a girlfriend. Yeah, that's the space I'm saying. Yeah, but like if Lindsay was. talking about like her you know childhood friends that are women she would say my girlfriends you can't be saying like that's what i said no that's what i think he meant no you said girl space friend that's a different thing no it's not Lindsay you know what i'm getting out here no that's what that didn't hear the first test but i personally would never be like oh my girlfriends i would just say my friends yeah but that is a phrase is that is that there's not a space is a girl would you put a

based on that if you were saying I'm going out with my girlfriends no but I think both mean the same thing they mean they mean the same thing but I am correct you're not just because people used it incorrectly doesn't mean it's right okay alright man whatever the one word everyone else is wrong but you all right no I'm I'm

what do you mean both give us one time you were wrong Should we call your wife? I bet she would have a couple. Jeez, this is tough. I don't know. Can't think of one. I don't know if it's, I mean, I'm looking forward to the time it happens, but I was wrong.

I was wrong about the amount of money that Elijah Verit Tucker was going to make. You were wrong about Elijah Verit Tucker. You were wrong. And you'll, you'll, you'll, yeah, refit. frame this, I didn't realize that teams were going to be stupid enough to think that he could start no, no, I was wrong about that. I didn't think that would, that would be his market. I was correct to push him in front of Charlie Kohler, but you had some straw man, uh, tendencies on the Charlie Kohler thing. Nobody said he was the most complete tight end in the NFL.

I mean, we can cut the, we can get to the tape. That's exactly what you said. He said essentially he is, he is a guaranteed ticket to the Super Bowl. You were saying, like, oh, everybody thinks that he's a top five titan in the league, Mina. Oh, you want to open the party to the working class people, but you won't pay Charlie Kohler $15 million? Come on. It definitely didn't say that. The chat is overwhelmingly correct that I am correct about girlfriend and girlfriend. See, no, I'm not, I think you're on misunderstanding me.

I'm saying that a woman could refer. to a group of friends that are girls as girlfriends, one word. And that is incorrect, just like they can say literally when they mean figuratively. Yeah, I don't think it's incorrect. I don't know why you get to decide they're incorrect. I think it's fine to spell it that way. That's so you're okay with things being wrong. That's fine.

I don't think that it's like that granular. I think you, if my wife, my Julia, said, I'm going out with my girlfriends. And she spelled it one word. I wouldn't be like, what do you mean? All right. Do we take Merriam Webster as God of who, of the, what words mean? Depending. On if they agree with you or not.

Do you see what I deal with here, people? This is why we can't, we can't have nice things on this show. Now listen, here's the thing. Language evolves. Language evolves. It's supposed to be prescriptive, not descriptive. Or it's supposed to be descriptive, not prescriptive. It literally is now in the dictionary as meaning figuratively.

So that's okay. but originally, yes, that is the distinction. Merriam Webster says. Definition one, a female friend. Definition two, a frequent or regular female companion in a romantic or sexual relationship. Did you see how Lindsay sort of whispered sexual? We're in overtime, it's fine.

The volume just dropped to just a little bit for that word. I don't know I'm gonna say like this so for the official record marian webster says I am correct but you will not relent any space and that's fine I don't need your space

no Mary Luxor does not necessarily say that you are correct it lists his his definition is first yeah the first definition for the word girlfriend singular word is a friend that's a woman that is what I am saying

is that that word can mean a friend that's a girl the chat is correct that's the thing that you And if the chat agreed with me, you'd be like, you're not going to listen to these people? Yeah, because they can be wrong sometimes. Okay. I feel great about how this argument went for me.

You have Fran. You have Fran on your side. I also think there is a distinction between a heterosexual woman saying girlfriend. Yeah. And a heterosexual man saying girlfriend. I agree. Because you would expect the space if it is a man saying, I went out with my girlfriend. I, that was the origin of this conversation is I don't listen Jordan Davis if he wants to call

his friends who are women girlfriends that's fine that's fine by me like who am I to say but that was the question I was asking is do you think he meant he's got like a group of four or five women that he's friends with and he calls him my girlfriends I think that is probably what he meant yeah that's why I said in the beginning I think that's what he meant with the space but wouldn't I like the idea that he's putting it out there as his business that he's dating around. I mean,

whatever Jordan Davis wants to do in his personal life is fine. This is a hard-hitting journalism we need you to look into, E.J. I know him. I mean, I can't be. Time and a place.

I mean, yeah, he mentioned that a girlfriend of his was the one who made the cookies that he brought in for the defensive linemen or the defense. Oh, that might have

in it. Yeah. And he also was secretive about that. So, but that's the extent of the reporting I'm going to do on this subject. A girlfriend of mine is a funny. A girlfriend of mine. Yeah.

Listen, it's a big guy. There's a lot of him to go around. Okay. He's young. Let him have fun. Jordan, I approve. That's all I got to say. Although, I may not approve of

your language. depending on what you meant. Don't listen to Merriam Webster. Listen to Bo Wolf. That's right. All right. Fun Friday show. Good stuff.

Thank you, Mina Kimes. Thank you. Arnold, abacati. Thank you. Actually, no thank you to Howie Roseman and Dallas got out for dragging this on and not giving it to us

right at the end of the show. See you guys in five minutes. See you guys in five minutes so when this resolution comes down. Girl hyphen friend. Fran says, a chat. What are we doing? Yeah, I mean,

nobody, nobody agrees with that. That's rage bait. Yeah, that's what that is. Like, what are you, what are we talking about here? We'll be back Monday at 2 o'clock. I think there's a good chance. We'll probably talk to you before then for some

reason or another. So stay tuned to P.H.O.Y For emergency podcasts, for Lindsay and E.J. I'm Bo. We thank you for listening and watching. We'll talk you later. And as always, we love you.