PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Does Darius Cooper make the cut? Forecasting the Eagles’ 53-man roster

Episode Date: August 12, 2025

It’s time to project our 53-man rosters as the Eagles have difficult decisions to make at wide receiver, where Darius Cooper, Johnny Wilson, Ainias Smith, Terrace Marshall and Elijah Cooks are jockeying for spots, along with the secondary, where Jakorian Bennett could be coming for Adoree’ Jackson’s job. EJ Smith, the reigning roster prediction champion, spars with Bo Wulf, the erstwhile King of the Beats. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everyone from the XFINITY studio. It's the P.H.I. Eagles podcast by Wolf, E.J. Smith, we are presented by Xfinity, dood, dental, and true mark financial credit union. A lot of love for the PHLY show today. E.J., how you doing? I'm doing well. You know, this reminds me of my favorite sci-fi book series, A Clash of King. Okay. Part of the Game of Thrones lineage. And I see.

This is going to be a little bit of a clash of. Oh, please. I want to make sure I killed off right up. I want to make sure I say kings here. Yeah. You know, we can both be King of the Beats. No, no, no. It's not how it works.

Well, then I think it works. You're luck into one. Anybody can luck into one. We'll see. You got to prove something to get to get the crown. This is getting me fired up, you know. We will get into that. We will do our current 53 men roster projections as things stand ahead of

tomorrow's beginning of two joint practices with the Cleveland Browns. That'll be a lot of fun. Today was a relatively light practice, but we will get into the things that were notable about that, E.J. And, you know, we'll talk about your elevator escapades by the end of the show because that was fascinating. I listen. If we're going to talk about that, we have that. Talk about something else too. Okay. Let's let's start with today's practice. They were just in shells, essentially, very hot out there, but it was a quick practice. Obviously, they are getting ready for the main event of the summer, which is the next two days. but what were the big takeaways that you saw out there today?

Well, I think you have to start with the left guard situation. Lana Dickerson is, you know, week to week with the meniscus injury. You called it yesterday, actually, that Brett Toth was the was with the starters at left guard in place of Dickerson. And then interestingly enough, Darian Kennard. This was fascinating. And I think this is the most interesting thing. Yeah.

So he usually, he spent all training camp on the right. He has either played right guard or right tackle. Yes. He moved to left guard today with the second team to replace Brett Toh in that second. second team slot. So whether that means that they kind of want to see both of those guys, I don't know. I think we can kind of read into that a little however we want. But I do think that the fact that he moved there is definitely interesting.

I think it's really telling. And just the way that they do things, it makes sense. Like Toth has been practicing there. You're going to give Toth the first crack. I would not be surprised if we see Dary and canard get some first team reps at left guard over the next couple days to the point where, you know, if Lennon Diggerson doesn't start week one, I might say that Kinnard is now the favorite. Maybe that's too strong. I would probably still go toth, but it's very interesting. Now, we haven't talked since the news of the timeline

Dickerson came down. I know that you did some reporting there. So what's your, what's your understanding? Yeah, the sense I get is that they do hope that he will be back in time for the start of the regular season. I feel like Landon Dickerson's toughness is sort of informing this evaluation. He has tendency to play through a lot of pain. You know, he has obviously the end of last season he played through a left knee injury. So, yeah, I think if he can play, he will play. I feel like it might be a little optimistic

because of that, like, you know, assumption that he will be able to play through a lot of pain. So I think maybe week one, I don't know. Again, the sense I get is there hopeful that it will be there, but I'm kind of keeping an eye on that one. And I also, I mean, listen, this is a long season they're about to embark on. I don't know enough about the injury.

Yeah. But if there's a chance, like if he comes back too early, and he's going to be 70% of himself. Yeah. And putting his longevity this season more at risk. Like, you know, it would be better if he took three weeks or whatever it was. Yeah, that's my, that's one thing that's going to be really interesting to watch once he's back is like, even though he does play through a lot of injuries and he usually looks pretty much himself when he is limited.

Like how limited is he going to be? Because if this is the type of thing, again, I don't know this. It's kind of just, you know, I wonder if it's the type of thing where he's putting off. really addressing this until after the season or maybe it seems to be the case. Yeah, right. So if that's the case, then how does he look until he gets it actually? Yeah. Or fixed.

So I think that's going to be a big question. But yeah, in the meantime, it'll be interesting to see what their contingency plan is. Because there's every chance. Like, you know, if he is going to play through this, that there are going to be times, we've seen this with Landon before where there's like a series where he kind of needs. For sure. Yeah, he comes off and you need to have somebody. So that left guard spot and that backup center spot.

are now a lot more in the, you know, in focus than they usually would be. All right. So let's let's talk toth. You know, I think there are reasons to be skeptical that that he's going to make the roster because this is exactly what happened last summer. You know, he was getting all the reps with the, as the second team center. Everybody's writing their breath, Tooth stories. And then he doesn't make the team because he's because Howard Roseman knows that he can

probably get him through waivers and keep him around on the practice squad. And then by the end of the season, he's on the active roster and he's active for the Super Bowl. I actually believe it more this summer than I did last summer. And I know I know I was I was flirting with Conard there earlier, but I don't think that it is insane that Jeff Stalind would have the most faith in Brett Tooth to be the short term starting left guard. Yeah, it's funny because this kind of reminds me of how we've talked about Tyler Steen before, just in that like Jeff Stoutland's evaluation of these guys,

sometimes like who he has in there speaks more to, you know, the truth about the player than what we see, you know, because he sees so much more of these guys. Brett Tooth is the perfect example of that. We have not seen very much of him. You know, when I said it on the show yesterday, he just hasn't played a lot of football. So it's hard for me to know exactly what they're getting into. But you're right, Stoughtland has a much better idea and he won't own him with the first team today. So I think that that is maybe a flimsy vote of confidence. Something like, you know, I think we're just going to have to keep an eye on him the next couple of days. and see how he looks in that setting. You know, he didn't really stand out to me in a good or a bad way today. I don't know about you. But yeah, in general, I just think the fact that Stoutland has kept him around as long as he has, and again, the fact that he's been with the first team, not just even today, like, dating back to last week, you know, last weekend even when Land and Dickerson missed time, the fact

that he has been working in so much with the first team probably speaks to Jeff Stoutland's faith in him. And I would, I think I would speculate that maybe Stout and how we have a different opinion on you know who they want to get the shot there. I probably would. But I also. Green was in line up. Yeah. But I also think that how he knows to trust Stout.

Yeah, I mean you have to. But yeah. So that's interesting with Toeth. And then Kennard, yeah, the fact that he's moved over day one here post injury for Dickerson, I think is very interesting. Yeah. And I also think we talked yesterday. That was him not prior. Right.

Yeah, exactly. And I think it's interesting that we talked yesterday about this. possibility that there isn't a, you know, de facto swing tackle, you know, and if there's a possibility for prior, Kinnard, and who's the third I'm missing now? Kendall Lamb. Yeah, Kendall Lamb. Like having all three of those guys on the roster, I think the fact that Kinnard has now got both guard spots, you know, in his arsenal.

Yeah. It definitely does change some of the ways I look at the roster for sure. Yes, I think it actually has made me flip on whether prior or Kinnard is the top game day backup. Yeah. And it makes me think it's canard. Right. Yeah.

I mean, because he's just got that versatility. Interesting. Okay. What else was interesting to you from practice today? I felt like Jalen Hertz had a four-play sequence that was better than anything we've seen all summer. Really? Yeah. It was four plays, four passes, four completions, two of which were, and each of them required, like, such perfect ball placement that it really stood out to me.

So I'm going to try to get the sequence correct here. It was a dig route to Devante Smith, where he threw it low. and Devante had to go down to get it, but it was one of those where only Devante could get to that ball because it was tight coverage. It was in a tight window. The next one, I believe, was a scramble drill to Dallas Goddard. So he's rolling out to his right.

Yeah, his right. No, yeah, it was rolling out to his right. You don't think so? I believe you. Yeah, rolling out to his right. And it was a type of thing where Quineon Mitchell was covering Dallas Goddard and Quineon was in tight coverage, but he threw it to the opposite shoulder where only Dallas Goder could get it.

The next play was an out route to Devonte Smith. Interestingly enough, did you notice who Devante Smith was lined up across? That's what I was my number one takeaway here. Okay. All right. So I found it very interesting that Mack McWilliams was the outside cornerback against with the ones.

With the starters. Yes. But not, I mean, it was a fine rep for Macbred Williams too. He was in good coverage. Yeah, it was a deep out. And they've been doing a lot of these,

this training camp. There have been a lot of these deep outs, timing based deep outs where it's got to be on a line and to a spot before the guy gets out of his break. He's had a lot of them to Jahan Dotson, more on that in a second. but he had the past to I don't call me a moron

I do talk kind of fast I do talk kind of fast so yes to Devante Smith on the deep out against Mac McWilliams they went right back to Mac Mac Mac Williams on the next level this time it's Jehan Dodson

same exact result not as deep of a completion in the last one but still four plays just like each of them required really good timing and accuracy you know putting the ball exactly where only his guy could get it

I think it was I think it was I think it was his best stretch of the summer. I believe you. I don't have a strong take on whether it was his best four-play sequence, but it was, he looked good. Four-play sequence. Interesting.

Now we're talking. H.E. All right. Yeah, I mean, you watch those four plays in a row. It'll get you going. Preheat the oven. The Mac-McMick-Williams thing, very interesting. Yeah.

And as we continue to figure out, out like who's going to be the starter on the outside. You know what? Let's see what it looks like on the outside. With the ones, says Vic Fangio. Yeah, and this is starting to feel,

correct me if you, if you disagree, I want to hear it. But I feel like this is starting to seem more like that linebacker situation from last year where like the week one starting cornerback is going to be completely out of left field. Oh,

I think that's very possible. Yeah, I think and we'll talk probably about this when we're doing the 53 man roster. I feel like we might have a Devin White situation by the end of the summer. I think that's very, very possible.

And as, as Fran alluded to yesterday, it does make me feel like maybe Dory Jackson is not going to make this team, the fact that they keep throwing guys over there. I'm going to play coin on that one. Okay,

we'll get there. But, yeah, I mean, listen, if MacMew Williams can do that job, that would be fantastic. Yeah.

But it would be a surprise. He wasn't the only rookie with the starting defense. Yes. That was the other takeaway I had was that Andrew McCuba got some run with the first team. Yes.

And he is, from the first play on. Yeah, and it seems like he's really starting to get some run as that dime defensive back. And he talked about after practice about how that's not something he did much in college. It's something that he's had to adjust to, but that he's getting more comfortable with it.

And honestly, like, I think he makes a lot of sense for that job because of the versatility that he showed in college. Yeah, I mean, he played a nickel, right? Yeah, so he's played nickel in safety, but he hasn't played like that extra defensive back job. And I think he was talking about how there's like blitzing responsibilities that you'd,

don't necessarily have from those other spots. And I mean, you're, I mean, you're sort of like a de facto box player at times with that job. So I'm sure there is an adjustment period for it, especially he's a smaller guy. I mean, it stands out when you're near him. Like, I'm going to scrum today. And slight. Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Like, Sydney Brown is probably the same height as him.

But like when you're sitting, when I'm standing next to Sydney Brown, I'm like, you're a big. Oh, this is a professional athlete. Exactly. Andrew McCuba or Drew McCuva, he just looks like a regular guy out there. Even in a scrum, he kind of like blends in a little bit. It's just interesting because his play style and his play personality do not fit that light frame. Yeah.

Interesting. He will be one of the guys to really watch over the next couple days, I think. For sure. We have a couple super chats to get to. We've got Michael Wirtz, who says the sense of relief about Dickerson's prognosis is similar to the sense of relief I felt when I heard the news about E.J. joining the show. Congrats E. Thank you.

Appreciate that. CDP. EJ. Does listening to audiobooks count as reading? Probably not, right? I mean, it's like you're consuming a book, but you're not reading. I would count it as like consuming a book. It's not.

Reading is the like the act of like reading something. Yeah. You know? But this really makes a thing. If you consumed an audio book, would you say like? I read that book? Yeah, would you say you read that book? I think I probably would.

Yeah. I think you say you read that book. but if somebody asks you what you did in the car, you wouldn't be like, oh, I did some reading. No. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, tough middle ground. Maybe you wouldn't say you read the book.

Maybe you'd say I'd listen to that audio book. Yeah, but I think, yeah, my, my silly, my nonsense take here is that you can say you read it in the past tense, but you're not, it's not an active. Yeah, you're not actively reading. Yeah. I think you say I listen to that audio book. Now, maybe if, like, you're around some people,

you don't know that well. But I think if it's, yeah, I mean, if it's like your goal is to read like 10 books this year or whatever. Like, I think that counts. Oh, I don't know. I think so. I feel like reading, if your goal is to read 10 books. I think the audiobook counts.

It's gray area. Gray area. What do you think, Julia? I feel like it's, you consumed, you've consumed the contents of the book. But like, you didn't read it. Yeah. Literally, you didn't literally read it. There's nothing wrong with it.

No, no, no. You still have knowledge of the book. Like, you don't have to be. read every book. I don't know. I mean, people are doing the best they can. They want to say they read with an audiobook? I think that's okay. At that point, like, why do you feel like you have to specify that you read it? Like, why are you trying to, like, sound like you did something you didn't, you know? Nobody's, well, I need to show off. If you, if you listen to the audiobook, there's no shame in that. Yeah, but I think if you're like a year, like these are

the books I read this year. I would, I would count an audiobook. Okay. I'm okay with that descriptor. The books I've read this year. The books I consumed. this year. Yeah. Well, yeah, and then it sounds like you ate the book.

Yeah. I mean, never, don't knock until you try it. Okay. Let's take a little break. Come back and we'll get into our 53-man roster projections.

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chat was very excited i appreciate that i'll get myself like a b plus i think was good yeah we'll get there we'll get there a nice flash up here from julia with the uh the durantula shirt i think you're you're gonna order yourself one of those bad ones i'm a big duran guy he really kind of let's i'm gonna just put it this way he brought some life into that philly's team in my opinion Any of you? Yeah, some, some different energy to the team. Yeah.

To the Philly, that Philly's roster that needed some, just a little bit of different energy. A bit of a reversal of the practice playlist, you might say. Yeah,

yeah. You know, I'm a fan. I'm certainly needed. I'm appreciative, yes. I would agree with that. All right, let's get to our 53 men roster

projections here. Now, how did you go about doing this, EJ? Do you have yourself a spreadsheet? You know, again, as the rain and king of the beats,

I broke out flag. I broke out the Excel spreadsheet I used last year. Okay. For the good juju that it brought me. Oh, okay. Because, you know, maybe one day I will be. Well, you're not following Nick Ziriani's advice.

No, this is about repeating for me. I'm not here for this, like, you know, no, this is about, this is about repeating for me. Okay. So, yeah, no, maybe one day I will be the king of the beats in everybody's minds because I use the same spreadsheet. Yeah, maybe one day you'll be president. I don't know. I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know. I don't think I'm qualified for that. Jaylen Hertz, do you have them on? You know, I don't actually. Maybe they can sneak him back on the roster in week two. Tanner McKee. Yeah. And then did you keep a third quarterback?

And if so, who? I kept a third quarterback. And that quarterback is Dorian Thompson Rowland. Interesting. I kept Cal McCord. Now, we talked about this yesterday. Our disagreement here, I just, I don't disagree that Thompson's been better. I just think it's more likely if they're going to stash a third quarterback.

It's going to be the guy that they invested in and get. four years of control for. I could see them doing that. I would think it would be the wrong decision. I could see a world where they like talk about Tanner McKee, you know, on the development track that he was on and what they eventually, you know,

the value that they eventually have in him. And I think that they're wrong because Tanner McKee looked really good as rookie year and Comic Court is not. I mean, only, some people noticed that earlier in that rookie year. Yeah, some of us with the discerning eye. I'll give you credit on that. All right.

All right. Running back. Sequin and Will Shipley, no doubt on, right? Yep. Do you have AJ Dillon on? I do not have A.J. Dillon on. Really? I think he is like a perfect bring him back after week one on a non-guaranteed salary.

I mean, he was just on the market. I guess you could say he proved that he was healthy and maybe that would generate intrigue from elsewhere. Does he really provide you that much value when you look at other spots on the roster? I do have Ben Van Zumeren on. Okay. And I sort of looked at that spot.

I know that Fran talked about the similarities between Ben Van Sumer in the tight end room and maybe borrowing from that room, I decided to borrow from the running back room and keep Ben Van Van Sumer in it over A.J. Dillon. Okay, I went the opposite way. I kept A.J. Dylan, and I'm not wedded to that. I could change my mind on that,

but I feel like right now they think he's going to be enough of a part of the offense that they're going to keep him. And I just, like, I just don't believe that they need to have Ben Van Zumrin on the roster. I just, I think that they would actually be losing something, Not just not from the fullback perspective, but from special teams value. Yeah, I kept somebody on defense for special teams as that spot.

That is my. All right. I'm curious to hear where that'll be because I feel like his special teams value. If he played a different position, maybe even if it was like a specialist position, if you're talking about like the wide receiver five or six here, like Ben Van Zumer and special teams value would be a trump card there. So I feel like for that reason, I feel pretty good about his chance to make him. I know. It's not he's not Colt Anderson out there. You know, he's not Brian Brayman. Yeah, but he, he adds something in. He's fine. There he's serious. So.

Okay. A.J. Brown, Devante Smith. J. Brown. Devante Smith. J.han Dotson. We agree about that. Yeah. How many do you have? I have six. So do I. Which I think we're going to be chalk here. Do you have Johnny Wilson? I do. I think he's pretty safely on now. Yep. do you have Anaya Smith? Just barely, I do. You do? Yeah, he was late for me too. I don't, again, I'm not sure that that's going to happen.

I guess, I guess right now he's the punt returner. I was going to say the punt return thing to push me over the edge. I felt like if we had seen Avery Williams take that step, if we had seen any other potential return option, or if Britt and Covey were stolen this team, I would not put Anaya Smith over him. But I feel like he had the punt return against the Bengals. That's pretty good, yeah.

Yeah, he had that. He had the good return there. So I felt like both of the second year receivers to me, the preseason game was huge. Because I don't think I would have had Johnny Wilson like comfortably on before the preseason game either. But yeah, I had an Ia Smith on. Now, did you have Terrace Marshall on? I did not. Is that you have?

I do not have Terrace. Okay. Did you have Elijah Cooks on? No, I did not. Well, then in that case. Let's get to the Shady Ray's Future is Bright segment because the future might be bright for our cover man here, our thumbnail, Darius Cooper.

We both have him on? We do. I think he's on the team. The only scenario where he's not is they do not carry six receivers and Anaya Smith's return, punt return value outweighs Darius Cooper's potential as a receiver. Now, Darius Cooper got more run with the ones today. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. And Jalen threw to him a couple times. Yeah, he had a drop. He didn't have the better. He also had a nice catch. Yeah. And, you know, the fact that he's getting thrown at from Jalen and he's getting open enough to be thrown at. I think those are all very positive signs.

Yeah. And he also is getting a lot of special teams run. You know, Michael Clay talked about wanting to see him in those scenarios and that he's, I feel like everyone who mentions Darius Cooper talks about the fact that he's like a great person. Yeah. So it's like, how does Michael Clay know this early that he's a great guy? Yeah. Aaron Moore had said this, sorry, the Eagles, he's in his room.

Aaron Moore had also said something about him being like a great person. So, yeah, it feels like he's winning a lot of people over and they kind of want to give him every opportunity at this point. So yeah, yeah, I've struggled with more, like I struggled with some of these. I didn't really struggle with getting him on here. Neither did I. I thought I would struggle more. I actually, this full exercise, usually I feel like it's harder to cut the last couple guys. Whereas with this particular roster, I felt like I was at like 49 and then I'm like, okay, who is who do they need to keep?

Who am I going to force on the roster? But Darius Cooper is a safe on the roster for me. Yeah, no, I completely agree. Like when I was going through the 53, like I go to the bottom and see, do I have more? Do I have fewer than I need? And I was at like 49. It's like, oh, I can start sneaking some of these guys over here. You got just a numbered.

Yeah. Because I like to be able to visualize for what we just talked about. I like to be able to visualize, like, do I have 60 guys that I think deserve to be on? Right. I have fewer than that. Yeah. So you've got position by position. I've got a position by position.

You got to, you know, it's a little adding up, offense, defense total. You should want me to see this as like somebody who's trying to dethrone me? I have no secrets here. You know, I'm all up here. No, I'm definitely on the spreadsheet. I'm riding the luck from the spreadsheet until that luck is gone. It's so crude. It's so basic.

Well, and then you see I've got like guys like off to the side who like I just barely wanted wanted to get him on there but couldn't. Okay. Uh, tight end. Goddart and Calcutera. Yeah. Who was your third? This one was harder, a lot harder. I put E.J. Jenkins on just barely over Kyle.

I went Granson. Yeah, I could honestly like a 15 minute conversation could probably sway me to Granson. But E.J. Jenkins had a catch today. And I'm just going to stay. I'm going to stay on the E.J. and Bryant. I'm going to stay in the E.J. Jenkins.

corner for now for now. Preseason games will be big for the tight ends in my opinion. I think that's fair. Yeah. And yes, by the way, that will wrap the Futures Bright segment. Shout out to Darius Cooper. Future is bright for him. All right, offensive line, very interesting.

You got the starting five. Now this is assuming that Lennon Dickerson doesn't go on IR. Yeah. Which I think is a fair assumption at this point. If they want them back for week one, the new designated to return is it six or eight weeks. Oh, I think it's, I thought it was four. Oh, it's four? I'll look it up.

And you can do two guys before the 53 men roster cut down. So that was a change that went into effect last year. Four games. You are correct. Yeah. So they could slide a guy there. I feel like they're not going to do that with Dickerson. Yeah.

So let's count Dickerson among the five starters. I think as Fran said yesterday, I think that Drew Kendall might be the next safest guy on the team. Yeah. But I ended up going with 11. offensive lineman and my very last player is is was it was an offensive lineman so I kept Matt Pryor Darren Kinnard Miles Hinton oh I knew it I the second you said 11 I'm like he snuck hinton on there oh I think Hinton's relatively safe on really I don't have one uh I kept Brett Tooth

on the roster and then my very last player was Trevor Kegan so you have somebody off who I I do not have Kendall Lamb on the team. Yeah, you don't have Kendall Lamb. Yeah. Because you have Hinton on, so you've got that tackle depth there. Well, and I have Conard. I think maybe Conard is that guy. Do you really think, see, this is where I start to wonder.

And I think Lamb, like you could bring back, you know, maybe that's too cute. I think you got a little cute there. But I do understand the idea of like, at some point you're not really talking about who's most deserving to me on the 53. It's who do you think you can get through waivers? How do you keep the most guys in the building? Right. So I felt like Hinton, you can get him through waivers. You can get him on the practice. Oh, I don't agree with that. Yeah, because he's got the draft pedigree. Is what you're saying. I mean, he wasn't, he wasn't perfect in that preseason game, but yeah, he's had he's had an up and down summer. I get that you like the look of him.

And I, you know, maybe he's been solid. Yeah. Like, relative to his competition, I agree with that. I didn't have Hinton on. I did not have Kegan on. I think Keehan. I think Kee's Keegan is probably the one I disagree with you on even more. Yeah, I don't, I mean, he was my 53rd player. Yeah. And I think actually, like, the thing today about Kinard moving to left guard was a shot at Trevor Keegan, because he's the one who would otherwise play left guard. See, move him to the other side to make room for someone else is a bit of a tell.

I think Keegan's a bridge too far. I would, like, if you prefer Hinton over Kendall Lamb, I could, that's a difference of opinion. But that's not, that's not a preference for. like who deserves to be on the field. That's just to keep him in the, keep him on the roster. Right. So I had lay him on because of that exact reason. I just think he is a more trustworthy backup going into this season specifically. From a roster building perspective, I understand where you came from on that.

The Keegan thing, this is where I would say to myself, I'd rather save that spot for a different position group than have Keegan as the 11th offensive lineman. I don't think you'd have to worry about him going through waivers. I mean, again, he's got draft pedigree, but I don't know. You know, like, I could see it going either way. The Dylan McMahon experience has kind of scarred me. It's like Eagles' offensive linemen on the waiver wire will get attention just because of who they are. So you have 10. Yep, I've got 10.

And you have Lamb instead of, Hinton, Hinton, and Keegan. Correct. So I've got Toth on. Kendall, Kendall, Kendall, Land, and Drew Kendall, Dary and Kinnard, Matt Pryor as the backups. And noticeably, neither of us has Kennell. and green. Yeah, and I think, I think you put it well yesterday that Kenyon Green needed to wake up and be like, today is the day.

And instead, it seems like he was injured. Tim McBendor. He was after that reported today that he's a week to week. Kenyon Green is? Kenyon Green. Oh, I didn't see that. Week to week. Okay.

It's not looking good for Kenny Green. He's going to go on IR. I look at this. I've got Kenyon Green. IR stash written in the Excel spreadsheet. Okay. All right. So you have exactly 25 on offense.

I've got 26. Yeah. Uh, the free specialists. Although you said something before the show today, which I found it, I found wild. You were considering not, you, you had the other long snapper on their roster? I felt like John Stone, who they cut this morning. I am, I was very tempted. Who's king is this?

This is your king? I was very tempted. Johnstone? I was very tempted to do the no long snapper chicanery. I'm going to save it maybe for the final, final one. Because I could see a world. You can't tell me that there's. There's not another long snapper out there.

There's no team that's harboring a long snapper. I don't think they would have bothered doing the replacement of Charlie Hewlett if they wanted to do that. They would have just kept Levato and then cut Levato. Yeah, I just, I don't think Hulets looked amazing either. He's had some bad snaps. Really? Yeah, he had a high snap. It's probably a week or two ago, but I've not let it go.

Okay. Clearly. So listen. I could see a world. If you call this, I will give you some credit. Some credit. Well, I think I lost one year on the no long. snapper. I went for it. I think that is right.

So I'm kind of scarred from that experience, but I could see it, especially, well, if the roster was more loaded. Yes, exactly, exactly. Then that's where you start to do the, like, can they get by without the long snapper? But because you are kind of like squinting to get some guys on here, like, you'll hear some of my guys on defense that I snuck on here. I do think that there's probably not a need for it. Okay. All right. Let's go to the edge. Top two, Nolan Smith and Jalick Hunt. I assume you have Josh. Ushay on? I do. I'm curious to hear if you went spicy here. Did

you have Aziz O'Jolari on your roster? I had him on. I didn't feel great about it. I think there's a player that deserves to be on over him if you're only discussing training camp performances. I have him on. I think he's the player who if they sign on you Devin Clowny or something

like that, then that's that spot. I think that he maybe takes that spot, but I have him on right now. Now do you just have four? I've got Patrick Johnson on. So do I. Oh yeah. Yes. He's the one who I have in place of Ben Van Sumer. He was my 52nd player. He's one of these guys like the coaching staff love him.

Loves him. He's been around a while. I think was it, Michael Clay called him the OG today. You know, he's been around as I've been around. That's my Michael Clay impersonation. You got to get the voice a little bit deeper.

A little deep, very deep voice. Can I tell you the player who I almost snuck on over Aziz Oshon. You really wanted Oshon Mathes on? No. Oh. Oh, who? He's had a decent son.

I think so, too. He's intriguing as a player. There's no reason that you wouldn't just put him on the practice squad. Yeah, I think probably. But if you were going, I just wanted to give him a shout out because if you're going strictly off of who has looked better. I think he has been better. Yes.

I think he has been better. Yeah, I thought about finding a spot for him, but I gave Patrick Johnson's special teams the edge. Yep, I agree. All right. I think I have a spicy one for the linebackers. Well, we've got to go defensive tackle first, which I actually think is pretty chalk. Yeah, it is. Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Moro Jemo, Jemot, Ty Robinson, Gabe Hall.

Do you consider a sixth for Byron Younger and Jacob Sykes? so you just kept the five. I think that those guys can make it to the practice squad. I've got those five. I agree. All right. Linebacker. Nikobie Dean goes on Pup.

Yep. Zach Bonn. Jahad Campbell. Jeremiah Trouto Jr. Mm-hmm. Smile Mondin. Do you have anybody else? I do.

You do. Lance Dixon. I like Lance Dixon. Yeah. He's been okay. He's got some special teams value. I think speed guy. Yeah.

I feel like he could be the like, oh, who is this guy? How did he make the figure out of the theory? I feel like, and then Fran will tell us all, I've been telling you about this guy all along. I think if Lance Dixon makes a team, they're not keeping Ben Van Sumeran. And that's my, like you both of them. Who are you putting on over him?

Trevor Keegan. I feel like Trevor Keegan, I feel like Ben Van Sumeran has more value than Trevor Keegan to the Eagles in 2025 and 20. Well, yeah, but it's not about 2025. That's about 2026. I feel like Ben Van Sumeran is a more valuable addition to the team for the next few years. Like, unless you think that Trevor Keegan is just one year away from being a valuable backup, Maybe he is the Brett Toth, but like Brett Toth has been on the practice squad before.

Yeah. So no, I feel like the value you're going to get from BVS is definitely more thing you would get from Trevor Keegan. I just mean from if you're keeping Lance Dixon, you want him to play special teams, right? Yeah. But you need those guys. You need more of those big body guys with the new kickoff role. That's like what everybody talks about. It's like inside zone.

Are you tired of hearing the inside sense again? It's like, tell the people what that is. Yeah. Yeah, sorry. Pull the audience behind the current. hurting here. I feel like every player that talks about the new kickoff rule has to tell us it's like inside zone.

It's like a running back play. You know, you got to stick your foot in the ground and get vertical. So like the first 10 times I heard it, I'm like, oh, that's really interesting. And now it's just like, I don't know. It's like, okay, we get it. It's definitely, it's inside zone. Now, for the people who don't know who Lance Dixon is, he's the undrafted rookie from Toledo

by way of Penn State and Pitt, I believe, or West Virginia. So he was a former high recruit and bounced around. in college a little bit, ended up at Toledo. The book is like really good, like athletic traits, not the most instinctive player coming out.

But I think he's, I think he's flashed. Yeah, no, I think he's looked solid. I also considered, Dallas Camp, thank you. His name was escaping. Like Dallas Camp? I was like the tall guy.

Yeah, the long arms. Yeah, he's had some splashy place too, but I think that Lance Dixon's probably more of like your prototypical bottom of the depth chart linebacker with special teams value. Okay. Now, corner is very interesting. It is. Quineon Mitchell, Cooper DeGine,

Mac Williams, Keely Ringo. Those guys are all on the team, right? Yeah. What else did you do? I put Jacorian Bennett on. Yeah, I think Jacoian Bennett's on the team. That's five. That's it?

That's it. I think Adori Jackson's this year. Maybe like Devin White obviously made it through the 53, but I think Adori Jackson's this year's Devin White. Like, oh, he's been with the starters all the summer, but he hasn't looked good with the starters. I think that's very possible that he doesn't make the team. I just, if you're going to have Jacori and Bennett and Keeley Ringo as you're competing for the spot,

and now Mack McWilliams entering that spot, all of those guys have upside. All of those guys are younger players that you could theoretically squint and see a finished product a few years down the road. Adori Jackson is the opposite of that. Adori Jackson is like, this guy needed to come into training camp and show what he could do this season, this summer. the fact that he has not run away with the job, I think makes him expendable if you have other positions that you prioritize over that. I agree with everything you said. I have him on right now, but I also think I might not have him on in a month.

Yeah, it's a wide range of outcomes, right? Like, I could see him being the week one start. Yeah, that's not crazy. But I also could see a world where they just say, we'll take our chances with one of the young guys. We'll hope that, you know, we get another, I don't want to. say like Cuneiott-Mitchler or Cooper to Gene scenario, but like a guy who progresses over the course of the season and someone that we can trust by week eight, not week one,

Adori Jackson is the only player in this cornerback competition that you could not see that happening for. Like because he's, you kind of know he's a finish, he's more of a finished product. You know what you're going to get from him. Right. What you're going to get is not high-level play.

So for me, I think it makes more sense to play one of the young guys. If you're going to get like shaky play, you might as well get it from somebody who might have it click midway through the year. I don't disagree with that. But I also, you know, usually coaches will lean on the more experienced guy early in the season. It's, I don't know.

It's interesting. Yeah. You also do not have Eli Ricks on the team. I don't. He's got no special teams value. He's built very, like, very specifically to be a cornerback. And even that is, like, kind of dodgy. He's like the Devante Smith of the cornerback room without the elite athleticism.

So, yeah, I think, like, I wouldn't be surprised. you made it? But again, like, it's hard to justify having a, you know, your fifth or six corner on the roster. That'd be somebody who's not going to be able to give you much in that area. And how about Brandon Johnson? He's a practice squad guy, I feel like. Even you've said that. Like, you don't think he's more likely. I don't have him on right now, but I, he's coming, man. He is. Taking all the reps with the twos and the nickel today. Yeah. I think, but again, like, they're not going to use a roster spot for him. Probably not. Yeah.

There's, because there's, there's no chance of him ever playing on the outside. Maybe he'll get a, maybe he'll get like a, you know, it's like,

you know, they like to reward somebody who had a great summer. Yeah, you're showing it to the roster. Yeah. I think it's possible. Maybe.

I think that, I think he's more likely than Lance Dixon. Oh, I just, I disagree with that. I mean, I'll tell you what,

I'll keep an eye on a special team's value in the next one. Yeah, well, Fran did say he was just okay on special. Yeah, exactly.

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Now, I think you have four spots left or three spots left. Five spots left. Four spots left. Not counting the specialist. Four spots left. So Drew McCuba's on the team. Read Blankenships on the team.

Is Sidney Brown definitely on the team for you? Yes. Do you think there's any chance they trade Sidney Brown? Going through this exercise, is there anybody who you felt like the Eagles, who like this is a tradable player? Sydney Brown is a good one. I think that that would make some sense

just because I feel like safety is like one of the most coach-specific positions. Yes? And Sydney Brown, notably. I think there's a scheme for Sidney Brown somewhere. Oh, I agree. Yeah. If you told me that you were going to put that guy in the box,

you know, get him close to the line of scrimmage, let him just, go see ball get ball yeah sign me up like that's the type of player that he is um he is a weird fit as a post safety in a vicangio scheme where you know you hear so much about those guys being the the queens on the chess board right like the you know the methodical thought you thoughtful like player in the back end and sydney brown is a lot more like one one track mind than that so um not to say that he won't be good in that role but again it's just a strange fit at times like a I felt like his rookie season

when he was like that early down nickel like that was kind of fun for him and it's not what Vic Fangio's asking him to do so again like they run a lot of cover three out of those two high shells so you are going to get Sidney Brown closer to the line of scrimmage just by like the structure of the coverage but again he is like maybe not the perfect fit

in that role. Yeah I think that's right so if you told me like you're trading him to like San Francisco or something like that but it really depends like the old whofanga yeah because that is like that is like that is you think of when you watch him. But I just don't know. It depends on what you're getting back.

Right. How you feel about Macuba as he's starting to get more first team reps. Maybe if you feel confident about it, I could see that making sense. I've said for like over a year now that I thought the egos might trade Eli Ricks for just something. Yeah. I still feel that way just because everybody wants corners. But I don't, yeah, I don't know that it's happening here for him. Otherwise, you know, you could, you could trade an Ojilari or something like that.

Byron Young, but like, you know, he was waived last year and claimed by Eagles. I think these are all like you're trading for just someone else at a different position. Yeah, you're like doing the Alberto type of trade where it's like my about to get cut player for you're about to get cut player. But Sidney Brown, I think could have like pick for Alberto. Am I wrong? Oh, you're right. You're right. Sorry. But like that idea is like, let's get this guy. Eli Harold catastrophe. I will not let this town, this fan base. forget about that trait.

Okay, so you have Cindy Brown on, who was your last one? Is it Tristan McCollum? Is it Max and Hook? Is it Lewis Seen or is it Andre Sam? I like a Max and Hook, but I went Tristan McCollum. Okay.

I went Andre Sam. Oh, really? Yeah, and I don't feel great about that. I just, this is one where I gave the edge to special teams. Yeah. And I was listening to Fran when he said that Andre Sam was a very good special teams player.

Yeah, I'm like not interested in him. No. A developmental player, but I think McCollum And Vic likes McCollum. I don't think it's... I mean, McCollum played over Sydney by this year. I think McCollum is a very realistic chance to make the team. Yep.

I also kind of like a max and hook, too. I wouldn't be surprised if he's the fourth safety. Yeah, I'd be a little surprised, but I do like him. I think he's a practice squad guy for sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we didn't have too many differences, but I think we had four maybe.

Yeah. I think Ben Van Sumer is when we disagree on the most. And Trevor Keegan. I'm willing to be wrong there, but... Why does he need a roster spot? I don't know. Why does Trevor Kagan need a roster? Because he's, in theory, can develop

into a starting offensive linemen. Yeah, and Ben Van Van Sumrin could in theory develop into like a very serviceable fullback and special teams contributor. But they don't ever line up with the fullback. Yeah, there hasn't been enough of that. Two plays a game. Maybe it expands.

You never know. Well, we certainly haven't seen it this summer. Maybe that's their whole big thing. He got hurt. So that was part of why it's kind of tapered off. But, yeah. I don't know. All right.

So Julia, EJ and I were coming into the studio today. Hold on. Let's start. Let's do this chronologically. Okay. So Julia, do you know Bo to be someone that backs into parking spots? I feel like he would if it was more productive to get out that way. I'm into a back end.

Okay. Because I feel like you've given me some flack for the back end before. Oh, no. It's situation dependent. It's completely situation dependent. I like to back into a park. parking spot. Yeah.

On record. Every time. Yeah. Didn't know you to be somebody who backed into a parking spot, but we pulled in at the same time. Well, my,

you know, we have a little, like a little Philly alley by our house where I have to back in. I get a lot of, you know, get a lot of reps. Like an angled,

angled situation. Yes. Okay. Gotcha. But I like a back in. Yeah. Well, you did a good job.

You didn't hold me up. You didn't. There's a little sliver of shade in the parking lot. And you're trying to get, trying to back into the shade. There's the stuff you should be telling me about like we're coworker you need you don't have eye i know you can't smell but i and i know

that your eyes have been in question i but listen you know i feel like you can see shade you i don't need to tell you how to how to park your car in the summer well now i'm going to start parking specifically next to you yeah well that shade dwindles by the time the show's over it won't be shade anymore i didn't back in today you know i'm trying to trying to yeah but that's a pull through it's kind of like it's a middle lot yeah the pull through is the best option always always pull through. If you can. Yeah.

Except not when you're golfing. Oh yeah, because you need to get to the back of the car. Yeah. Some of us can manage even in those situations. Well, yeah, you can manage. So anyway, I back in. I go across the street

to pick up my lunch. E.J. goes up. It goes up the elevator. I come in about five minutes later. Get the elevator. Opens up. There's E.J. Sitting in the, standing in the elevator.

Like, what happened? And you know what he did, Julia? He went to the wrong floor. Oh, no. But I don't really understand this. So we're on the top floor. That shouldn't be that hard to remember. But if you've never been beyond that.

The floor before, then you wouldn't know that. You didn't even like, I don't even understand how you then came back down. What, like, what happened here? It's time for my side of this story. So we got in the parking lot at the same time. but I think you were on the phone or something so I was yeah the first part of the story is that

I awkwardly was like waiting for you to get out of the car and then you didn't get out and I was like oh let me just see myself out of this situation I don't have access to the building yet so I had to wait Cory Sito EJ has six senses but none of them are sight or smell I do wonder if like my my site my site's perfect so maybe I do have like a compensatory thing going anyway

So the next part about this, that was rough, is I finally get in the building. And I've never had to select the floor before. I've always been in the elevator with somebody else because there's always someone coming to get me. So I didn't know which floor. So I go, I just guessed. Did you go up each one? I was like, I think it's, you know, whatever. I guess one.

Or I guess a floor. I won't specify which, but I guess I guess a floor. Five. And it was the wrong floor. We're on the seventh floor. He guessed five. Okay. So I guess five.

Oh, I guess that's right. Yeah, that was a good guess, Julia. Lefties and you just get the fork. Yeah. Yes. So, and then when it wasn't five, I hit six. But it was going, it went down. To get me.

You didn't hit it in time. That the elevator goes down. I'm like, I know it's going to be bone at the bottom of the elevator. Because honestly, and maybe, listen, this might have been a foul by me if it had actually played out this way. If it wasn't somebody I knew, I would have considered getting off the elevator to avoid the humiliation. Yeah.

But then the person, if they were going to the seventh floor, would have been stuck on floor six because of me. You know, to walk in the elevator and sit right at six. So this is literally like, I think you're just, you're just like, uh, things not working, you know. No, I would have just owned up to it. This was a nightmare scenario for me. I need to make it clear that this was like the worst case scenario is that like you left me,

I left you in the parking lot. It goes down to get you. And now I have to admit that I don't know what floor my new office is on. I feel like now you'll remember. I mean, yeah, it's like burned into my brain forever. So the second the door opened, I saw it, went, oh, no. I know, imagine my surprise when there's E.J. Well, also a tip is you have to, like, it will light up slightly, but you have to make sure

it's like double it up. You really have to like, you'll see the difference. Yeah. So if you did that and it didn't, and you went all the way up and someone hit down, you wouldn't actually. I would just be standing. The door wouldn't open. You would automatically go back down.

Yeah. Just standing in the elevator, trapped in there forever. Welcome to, welcome to P.H.O.I. E.J. This is my. True welcome. We had the stall yesterday, the elevator today. We'll figure out what's interesting about your time in the office tomorrow. It's something new every day.

I'm learning some of the, I guess some of the traditions, like should I be putting the full case of water in the refrigerator or just a couple? Do I respect the people only? Some people only want to drink room temperature water. I guess that's fair. I think you can put in a bunch, yeah. I used to hate filling up the refrigerator with water when I was a kid. It was like my number one job. It was your number one job?

Like with bottled water? Yeah. That and taking out the bathroom trash. Okay. The fun jobs. Okay. E.J. was also nice enough to bring Dunkin' Donuts in yesterday. I guess we should just say donuts.

Still a few out there. Yeah. Do you go like the day old donut? I know someone that did. Is it you? You? You can name name? No.

No, I can't eat. I think you can leave. I think, I mean, you brought them in around around like one yesterday. So we're not quite, we were, we're now at 24 hours, but earlier today. I mean, like, I think I probably wouldn't if I, if I have seen them come the 24 hours for and I'm like actually aware, then I probably wouldn't. Whereas if I came in and I, and I intellectually knew, oh, Jamie says he got one. And I intellectually knew, but didn't actually see that they were day old. I might be more willing to do it.

But like, come on, it's not like they're baking those things like the morning that you get them. Of course. Yeah. So they probably are multiple days old and they keep. So. Yeah. I'm not closed off to the idea. I've been considering it.

What's your, what's your donut stack rank? Stork. Stork rank. I probably go the vanilla cream, but like not the Boston cream. You know what I mean? Like it's like vanilla frosting in there, not Boston cream. Okay. Boston Cumes a little custody for me.

Yeah. The second one would be double chocolate. Like it's chocolate glaze with the chocolate icing on top. It's a strong one. It's a lot of chocolate. Yeah, but it's like you're eating a donut. Like, come on. And then third, maybe not from the place we got them, but traditional glazed.

I like a traditional glazed. Yeah. It's a spot. I think that's fair. All right. What are you looking forward to in the joint practices? What will be different to you than just why? watching guys as we've seen them for the past three weeks.

I think the number one thing is going to be the cornerbacks. I agree. I need to see these guys against like the wide receiver two tier of receivers, especially with Mack McWilliams, maybe getting some reps in there now. So I think corners is number one. The edge group, I've got legitimate questions about it.

Like I feel like we maybe, we talk about it a lot, but it's like what are the things that are going to impact the Eagles ability to win games, win big games? Like the edge group not being able to, able to generate a pass rush is high on that list. So seeing those guys definitely something I want to keep an eye on. I think in general, I want to see how the offense just looks schematically.

I know we can like overstate how it looks in a given practice. But in a joint practice scenario, I feel like you might see more of what like the ideal vision for the offense just because it is a little bit more of a competitive setting. Yeah. And it's not scripted. Now we know that like Kevin Petulow and Vic Fangio aren't necessarily going over everything together, but again, in a competitive, move the ball scenario against a different team, this is the best glimpse we're really going to get of the starting offense and what it

might look like during the regular season. I think that's fair. I'm looking forward to the Miles Garrett-Jorda-Laud of rematch. Yeah. It was a big deal two years ago. Remember Lynn and Dickerson just panicking a guy. That was very fun. But I think the corners is probably the big thing in just the secondary in general.

and on offense, yeah. I think you make good points about like the structure of the offense, but like individually, I'm more interested in the depth guys. Yeah, no, I agree. It's just there's not many guys on offense that have to prove them. Yeah, exactly. But I think.

Although I think, you know what, Steen, who I think has looked better the second half of camp than the first half the camp. A great defensive tackle group. Well, that's what I mean. And it's like, okay, so Ojimo gets him every now and then. Like, what does he, how does he look against somebody, different. I think that's a fair one.

Yeah, I agree. But yeah, for those, for mostly on offense, I feel like the depth guys will be, like, does Darius Cooper continue to look like the training camp stud that he has been? Yeah. Yeah. Plus, Kenny Pickett, although isn't he, isn't he injured? I am not sure. Pickett, Flacco. Yeah, are you interested in Shador? I mean, like, as like a fan of the NFL, I guess, like, I think he's got a fun story. But in terms of like, am I actually, like, looking to see if this. guy's going to be awesome. Like, no, I'm, it'll be low on my list just because I'll be more focused

on like how Brandon Johnson looks. Now you're talking. Yeah. Talking my language. Speaking of my language, we are going to get to the super chats in Bovertime. There it is. Beautiful. Nicely done, Julia. Let's check out these super chats. Jason with a J. I went on a date with a literature professor, Flex, who I told I only listened to audiobooks anymore. Her response, that counts as reading. I mean, the literature professor. Can't argue with that. Tell us how the rest of the date went, Jason.

Maybe don't tell us that. J.G. Hater says, welcome E.J. If you had the choice between Joanne Duran and John. John Duran and John Duran. Oh, is this an Ashth, this is an Assonville? Okay. John Duran and Joanne Duran as an IPP roster exemption, which athlete would you choose and at what position?

The answer is John Duran, first and foremost. I mean, I know the Philadelphia fans are not familiar with this guy. He is awesome. He is like an agent of chaos unlike any Philadelphia athlete we have ever seen. Okay. What position? I would probably play him as like a probably, honestly. Where does he play for Villa?

He does not play for Villa anymore. He is on his third team in the last 12 months because he is chaos. I'd probably put him at safety. Now he's probably small. You just described Sidney Brown. Yeah, no. But this guy, yeah, he is just as likely to get into a massive fight. But he's not big enough to play anywhere else.

Like, that's the thing about these soccer players. You're not big guys. But yeah, it's always John Duran. I feel like he is one of my favorite athletes in general across all sports. And yeah, I don't know if he'd be good American football, but he'd figure it out. He's a good athlete. Okay. Yeah.

Sean Cottrell. Congrats E.J., excited for a familiar face. Help us cope. Cool. Thanks, Sean. Appreciate it. Thank you, Sean. All right.

Good stuff. Yeah, show too. Are you disappointed? We didn't have more arguments on the 53? No, because, I mean, the truth is that, you know, 45 of them are pretty set. Yeah, I would say. There's not a ton of wiggle room. But, yeah, I mean, I look forward to you losing.

Oh, I, listen, if I am back-to-back king of the beats. Now, you know that this means that you are also in charge of running the contest. Oh, no. I did not realize. Oh, yeah. It's incumbent upon the champion to run it and to take all and to grade it. You have been learning a lot about me in a short period of time. And I'm sure you've learned.

Well, yeah, I can see that your spreadsheet game is very weak. Yeah, my organization skills are very low on the list of things that I'd write home about. So maybe I'll ask for your help on that one. Yeah, new co-host, you got to take care of me. This is ridiculous. this is your king you got a handhold him through the process you just won a contest

that you'd like a like a sweepstakes no offense to the Bryce small sweepstakes but and the what was the couple from yesterday I forget I can't remember the name Tom Smith No that wasn't the couple

No that wasn't my guy Tom Smith Tom Smith we didn't hear from any of those people unfortunately Anyway I look forward to you know Yeah, Fran is in the chat. Tomorrow will be a good use of the three of us

because we're going to get a lot of pairs of eyes to divide and conquer, see all the reps that we're going to be able to see tomorrow. I love that. So that'll be fun. Have some good write-ups probably on all p.hly.com about it all, which you can only read if you're a diehard and you can do that now.

If you sign up $36 for the whole year training camp offer, make it happen. Okay. Thank you, Julia. Thank you, E.J. Thank you, Sickos. talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And as always, we love you.