PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Dontayvion Wicks Trade Gives Eagles NFL’s BEST WR trio, but for how long? | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Does the Dontayvion Wicks trade pave A.J. Brown’s path out of Philadelphia? Or will the Eagles have the best receiving corps in the NFL? Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss the ripple effects from Howie Roseman’s latest move and discuss the interior offensive line prospects that might entice the team in the NFL Draft later this month with a focus on Vega Ioane, Chase Bisontis, and Emmanuel Pregnon. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the PHAY Eagles podcast on a beautiful Monday. Live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Ashley and Bet365. This is the P.H.M.Y. Eagle Show, Bowulf, E.J. Smith. Its interior offensive line day, we'll be talking about the guards and the centers. The guard, huh? The ball heads in there. Brand's going to join us. Is there a possibility that the Eagles at 23 or thereabouts?

Want to make an effort for? Venga, you want to want to? There you go. Venga Yawane. Strong. We'll talk about that. We'll talk about the state of that position as the Eagles try to potentially plan for life with that Landon Dickerson.

Tyler Steen is on the final year of his rookie deal. Lots of interesting short-term, long-term implications there. Did you see some pictures of Landen Dickerson at the Royal Wedding this weekend? The Royal Wedding. You know, I guess you could call Lane Johnson a royal member of the Eagles at this point. I think he's a Riegel. You know, he has a regal playing. style. I like where you're going with that. I did see the pictures. Looked like a very nice wedding.

The thing that jumped out to me was like the seating facing each other and they're at the center of it. Like there's like quadrants of seating. Did you see that? No. It's like there were quadrants. Not the reception. No, I think it was a ceremony. Oh, and they were in the middle. They were in the middle. Oh, kind of like a like a Shakespearean Globe theater thing going on. If you say so. Yes. I thought it was nice. I thought it looked in the round. Yeah, it looked like a very nice wedding, very, uh, very, like, fitting for Lane Johnson and that it was like, you know, he has like the country feel to it, but it's like got a very like classy feel as well. Okay. Yeah, I really enjoyed seeing, playing like spotting an X eagle. Yeah, those pictures. Yeah.

And like, Nate Gary got the invite. That's fun. I love that. Yeah. Todd Harriman's looked good in those pictures. I mean, it looked awesome. Todd Harriman's one of the most handsome guys going around. And his look looks great in his post-playing career, no doubt about it. Yeah. You know what I thought looked great? Who? Isaac Siamalo. Yeah, he looked happy, didn't he?

I mean, first of all, to get to see a smile on Isaac's face? Yeah, it's rare. That's fantastic. Like, boy, I wish he would show that bad boy off more. Yeah. And he had those tight cornrows going. Yeah, yeah. Because at first I was recognized.

At first I was like, who is that smiling man with the cornrows? And it's like, oh, that's Isaac Siamalo. Yeah. Yeah. Good for him. It's great. For him. Yeah.

Saw a little, it's a little Camus Groujee Hill. Oh, sing the song. Good song. Camu, Camu, Camusay Hill. They'll go to the wedding, I guess. That's a Smith favorite. Brandon Brooks.

No Danes, unfortunately. But maybe he had plans. Yeah. The stouts? Yeah. I saw that. Stouts out there? Yeah.

I'm sure. I mean, it was very unsurprising that they were there. But yeah. Yeah. It was nice to see them there. I bet that was a fun time. Oh, yeah. I'm sure that there will be more content to come out from that.

Like, there will probably be some videos from the reception. Okay. You know, maybe as time goes on, people will be more comfortable to share some of the fun parts of the wedding, too. So, yeah, it was fun. What's your wedding personality as a guest? Ooh, that's a good question. I'm a big crier at the reception, which I know sounds like strange. At the reception or at the ceremony?

Both, but reception. Yeah. like parent, parent child dances. Oh my God. They, they just knock me out. I will,

I sob. So yeah, cry at those. We need to be far apart from each other because we are both crying. We will just both be crying. Yeah, I'm like you guys,

people who listen to the show know, I'm very romantic. So I like, I like a wedding. I don't dance that much at a wedding, though. I dance when my wife wants to dance. And that is the,

that's the bar. So yeah. But I think I'm a good time. a wedding. I think I'm thoughtful. You know, I make sure everybody's good. I try to make, I try to be the glue guy at the table, you know. Will you, are you busing the table? What? What do you mean? Like, I'm like, you know, making sure everybody's having a good time, having conversation with as many people as I can. If somebody needs something, I'm not like busing the table. I had to figure out what you meant by that. No, I'm not like, you know,

I'm not bringing food or anything, but making sure everybody's good. Yeah. Okay. All right. Sweet. Let's talk about Tontavian Wicks. Yeah. He goes making this trade on Friday. late afternoon sending a fifth round pick this year, a sixth round pick next year, to the Green Bay Packers for Don Tavian Wicks, the wide receiver, and also signing him to a one-year extension worth up to, and I think we're waiting on some specific details

about what the up to is here, but up to around $11 million. And I think we can read the tea leaves, that this does feel like it makes it more likely that the Eagles are preparing for life without AJ Brown. However, I think it's also okay for us to at least entertain the possibility that that's not the case. And if it is not the case,

this is a huge departure from the way that they have built the roster. And I think we can talk about this in what's brewing presented by Wawa because you know that the Eagles under Howie Roseman with Jalen Hertz as the quarterback have always had a very narrow target share.

Now part of that is because they've got A.J. Brown and Devonte Smith and Dallas got it. And anytime you're not throwing the ball to those guys, you kind of wonder why that is the case. However, I think there are reasons why that is not the most efficient way to go about building things. However, it's been talked about at the owners meetings that they have not had enough depth at that position. You think about how things worked in Green Bay, where it was much more spread the ball around. There were four capable wide receivers who all brought something a little bit different.

Do you think that it is possible that that is what the Eagles are trying to do? Or do you think it really is kind of Peta-complea, AJ is gone? And this is just them preparing for that. I think you can look at it either way because what I would say is that like the the savviness that Howie Rosen builds a roster with, they have both options available to them still. I think that's the first, that's the important thing to say first is that like, you know, Fran mentioned it on the show on Friday after the trade that Don Tavian Wicks can live in a

receiver room with A.J. Brown. Like, you know, if you have those three guys, that's a very good receiving trio. So it's not to say it's like an impossibility. It's not pushing AJ out the door that you traded for Don Tavian Wix. but to be honest with you, the more I thought about it over the weekend, the more I felt like I honestly probably couched it a little bit too much on Friday show, you know, to bring our listeners behind the curtain a little bit. Like we shoot like a, you know, reaction videos like shorts for YouTube and make sure you go find those videos and like them for us. You juice the numbers

for us a little bit there. But yeah, when I shot, so I shot like a quick, immediate reaction to it. And I said something like, you know, it certainly seems like the Eagles are preparing for life after AJ Brown. And then I thought about it more and more. And then I thought about it more. and then I was like, maybe I'll soften that a little bit. You know, like, are the Eagles doing that? You know, asking the question instead of saying it definitively. And the more I thought about over the weekend and there, I'm like, that immediate reaction, that one I sent first, like, that one, I think it's safe.

I think that's fine. I think it's fine to say that it's becoming clearer that they are preparing for life after A.J. Brow. I think I think the fair way to say it is that if this is not the precursor to an A.J. Brown trade, the Eagles are doing something they have never done. before with Howie Roseman because you're now talking about like committing to four guys on the roster. Yeah.

As vet, you know, you're paying Hollywood Brown real money and you're committing to Dantavian Wix for paying him real money the following year, right? And so you could, you could squint and say maybe this is them preparing for A.J. Brown being gone next year and you're locking in ahead of time. And that's a possibility.

And certainly they, it makes sense for them to be injury proofing the group a little bit. and maybe it means that they don't like the wider receiver class here, and this is what they want to lock in. But in terms of Howie Roseman maintaining roster flexibility, and how much he cares about that, for them to do this preemptively, it really would be against the way that he usually builds a roster.

Yeah, yeah. And I think what we should say, because there will be people who make this argument, so let's acknowledge it. They're not going to give them away. They're not going to just trade into New England for nothing. Like, so there's obviously that possibility that the Eagles won't get what they want in an AJ Brown trade and it'll come back. But setting that aside, because I think that it is likely at this point that the Patriots and the Eagles will work out a trade that works for both sides in terms of compensation.

Yeah, I think that they've done, I honestly think like if they trade AJ for a future first and then they use a top 100 pick on a receiver that, you know, maybe it's Chris Bell, maybe it's Omar Cooper, maybe it's, I think Denzel Boston's been a name that's been linked to them a lot recently. If they add, I would say either a first or a second round receiver and your room is Devante Smith, Dantavian Wicks, and then a high draft pick that has a lot of upside, that is a pretty solid receiver room relative to other teams in the NFL. So for that reason, I think, again, they've maintained flexibility with this, but I think it is preparing for the life after age.

And I think that you made a good point that it could be next year. You know, it could be even, let's say that the Patriots don't give the Eagles what they want to trade. And then there is like a real push like, all right, AJ, come back for another year. Let's run this back for one more season. Maybe a lot of those, and this is speculation.

This isn't an informed speculation here. Maybe a lot of that up to $12 million for Dantabian Wix. Maybe that is a lot of like incentives that reflect you might be wide receiver two on this team in 2027. So I think that that's also a possibility. Yeah, but it's hard to imagine Wicks agreeing to that if it is fully incentive-laden. and he doesn't know what his role is going to be. Right.

Yeah. It would be a, and it's not like he's got some, you know, hokey agent. He's got one of the high-powered agents. I would be surprised if it is all fake money. I think that the other possibility here is that this is them preparing for

the possibility that the AJ trade conversation becomes more live again during draft weekend. Yeah. Right? So you could, you could, I mean, again, this is pure speculation. You could argue that this is like,

okay, worked out for June 2nd and this is them filling that hole. It could also be, hey, what if a team who thinks they're out doesn't get a wider receiver they think they're going to get? All of a sudden they call and come up with an offer, a pre-June first offer that's going to make it worth our while to do it pre-June first when we got to take on all this dead cap money. Yeah. And we can't scramble then to get a wide receiver.

We have a guy in place so that we, again, we don't have to reach when we're on the clock. Yes. And I would argue that the price on Dantavian Wix in a world where that happens is higher. post-draft if the Eagles are more desperate. Right. Or Dantavian Wix could be a target for another team. Right. Which could explain the timing here.

So, yeah, I think all of this matters, you know, and we're kind of reading T-Leaves, but I think it's important. And, you know, one other thing I wanted to say about like the up to $12 million for Don Tavian Wix, like, usually the reason that that number just like to explain it to our audience, like, usually when that number doesn't come out, it's because there's really like nobody who has an incentive to put it out, right? Like the team doesn't want to put it out because they really don't want to like cross the agent. And then the agent side, like a lot of times, you're happy that the 12 million,

up to 12 millions out there. So that's usually why it takes a little while for us to get that information. Okay. So you feel, you feel solid about this group. Yeah. I mean, it's not what the Eagles have had. You know, I said this on Anthony's show. Like Eagles fans are used to having the best receiver duo, if not the best top three in the NFL for the last few years. This is probably more middle of the pack, but it's still a solid group. I mean, I think Devante, And it's all about Devante, man. We're going to have, if this happens, we're going to have all summer to talk about it. Yeah.

But Boyd does a lot hinge on Devante being. Being who they think he can be if he is the main part of the offense. Yeah, because I was about to say, I think Devante is an underrated receiver across the league. And I think he's capable of being, you know, one of those true one type receivers if he's in the right system with the right usage. I think they believe the same thing. And yeah, you're right. It's going to come down to whether or not their evaluation on the upside he still has is actually correct. The last thing that crosses my mind is if AJ Brown is back and this is the room, I'm curious about,

we got to look into if Hollywood Brown has, like, how much is guaranteed because I think there's a world in which they bring both of those guys back. Wix is clearly the wide receiver three and then it's not worth keeping Hollywood Brown. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good point. So, yeah, I mean, I think it's like, I don't, I'm not closing the door on AJ. I don't think that, oh, the Wicks trade makes, like, you know, it solidifies the path, right? Whatever. Yeah, I mean, I think I meant 90 turkeys.

Yeah, and I remember when you wavered about the Elijah Moore signing. I remember that. Yeah. I'm old enough to remember. I was still, I've still consistently been higher than you on this happening. Yeah. I'd say you're at 90. Yeah, I'm at 90.

I'm not higher or lower than that. Okay, well, then I'm 91. Okay. You can be the one that gets to be right. That'll do it for what's brewing presented by Wawa. Take yourselves over to a Wawa today. And we will take a break here on the PHOI Eagles show. On the other side, we get into this interior offensive line class.

Would it make sense for the Eagles? Dip into the guard waters early on. Let us know in the break who your favorite guard in this class is. And find out on the other side why guards are different than almost every other position. when it comes to evaluating draft prospects. Good tease. You know that we are narrowly focused on the NFL draft during these next couple weeks.

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knowing what we know now, if you wanted to acquire a Mannion wide receiver from Green Bay, would you rather have made this trade or paid what New England gave to Romeo Dobbs? Paid what New England gave to Romeo, I'd probably make this trade. I agree. Yeah, I like Romeo Dobbs.

And I think he probably is, like, probably more in line with what I would envision a Mannion receiver looks like. A player. Yeah, but, like, stylistically, yeah, he's, I mean, he's just a more well-rounded player. But I think, when I think of, like, what I'm expecting to see from, like, Mannion receivers, they are mostly guys who can do enough in the run game to be on the field. like, you know, on every down. And then also, really the thing that stands out to me

is guys who can basically get away from people on crossers, you know, run after the catch. And I think of Romeo Dobbs more of that than I do Dontabian Wick. Yeah, I mean, Romeo Dobbs is a more productive player from the same team. But like even just stylistically, like Dontavia and wicks to me, honestly, he seems more like a Nick Siriani player with the hitches and being able to box people out.

I think like if I'm Sean Manning, I want receivers who are capable of really creating after the catch, you know, taking advantage of space that you create for it. And that is, and as we talked about an emergency pod, Dante Ben Wix is towards the very, very bottom of the league in Yak per reception. This is not a guy who's going to be a factor after the catch.

Romeo Dubbs signed a four year, $68 million deal, $39 million guaranteed. Yeah. I would don't want to sign him to that deal. I don't think so. I don't think you don't want to, you don't want to, commit that long either. I think, I think the Wix thing is, is totally fine. Yeah. And he's again, he's very young. He's not yet 25. It's a fun. It's a fun move.

It's a fun upside here. But yeah, if you're telling me only one or the other, I would, I would rather do the Wix deal. Yeah, the all 22 heads out there. And, you know, Fran is the king, our regal member of the staff, among them, really like Dantavian Wix's like the subtleties in his route running. Yeah. Like all weekend, I was seeing people who, like, I respect and people who break down a lot of films saying like, oh, he's such a fun player. So I think the Eagles, they've added somebody. It's a significant addition for the room, as we said.

But the drops. He's got a real history of drop. He's got those drops, yeah. Another super chat from T.C. It says, do you guys think Howie would only, and a very generous donation, thank you, T.C. Thank you, T. Do you guys think Howie would only trade A.J.

to one of his preferred teams, for example, if the Browns offered the desired compensation, would we do it? Why would the Brown Zop be a preferred team? Oh, AJ. AJ. AJ. I apologize.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Honestly, I don't know what the deal is here because I think there is a case that the way that it has been sort of quiet from AJ's side. And the Eagles are also not making a big stink about things, the way they message things at the owners meetings. I think there is a world where they are, they are trying. trying to work together. Yeah. To make it so that he gets to a place that he wants in exchange for him not blowing up the leverage. Yeah.

I think that's a possibility. I think that's a good reading on it. I think that is probably knowing the way that how he works, probably the most likely thing. Yeah. But I also think there is a world in which we get a great offer. We can't pass it up. I think that's absolutely on the table. Yeah.

I mean, I think it's probably operating with the assumption with the teams that are most interested, which is mostly the Patriots, that they're going to have to be the highest bidder. And yeah, I agree with your reading there. I think, like, the way that this is kind of stayed relatively calm from their standpoint, from a front-facing perspective, probably suggests that they are trying to get something done that everyone is happy with. So for that reason, I don't, I wouldn't think so. Who would it make sense for? Yeah. You know, it's either a contending team. It's a team with a young quarterback that probably isn't a contending.

It's either a contending team who we know about, who has a wide receiver need, like the Patriots, or it's a team with a very young quarterback trying to give that person a security blanket. Yeah. But again, the Patriots. What the Raiders want to do it to give Fernando Mendoza a guy to throw to on every time? Again, I think at that point it's like the Patriots would just have to be the highest bidder in that, in that instance. The only other complicating factor here is, like, like usually the reason you wouldn't as a team looking at a player that might not want to be there

you would say well we have to extend them with a j you don't like he's already on the contract yeah but i think your read on that is probably the right one all right let's get to uh let's get to the interior offensive lineman as we think about this and it it is funny how much we've talked about drew kendall this offseason um but i think i like you do you do think about you know how much does he factor into the eagles long-term feeling of need at this position as we said, Lennon Dickerson, the way that his contract

was restructured, the reports from this off season, there's a real chance that he's playing his last season for the Eagles. Both sides know that. I think I would bet against it, maybe, but it's still,

it's on the table. Tyler Steen is entering the final year of his rookie deal, so they need to have a plan in place for a guard succession plan. Would you feel, and we'll get to what is different about the guard class,

other positions, but would you feel like Bengo Yuwane from Penn State, the clear cut top guard in this draft by consensus, by Fran, the big fellow from Penn State, three-year starter at left guard, no flags relative to the profile. He's awesome. Would you feel like at 23 he would make sense and would you feel like the Eagles would even be interested in moving up for him?

Moving up is probably gives me more pause. At 23, I actually think he is, it depends on who else is there, obviously necessary caveat, but I do think he would be a really, really solid pick at 23. Yawane or Kenyon Sadiq? I'm probably going Sadiq there. Yawaneh, or Kaden Proctor? I'm probably going Yowane there. Interesting.

Yeah, because I think there's a real chance that Procter might be a guard for the Eagles. And if you're going to draft a guard, I feel really good about Yohane as a card. Like, I think he's the exact type of player. I don't, like, from a positional value standpoint, drafting a guard in the first round is not a great use of resources. You can find impact players. At least you'll be able to tell me from the data you pulled up. But it feels like at least you can find impact players on day two of the draft pretty consistently. And guys with like real upside, like Landon Dickerson types, you know, whether it's injury history, whether it is, you know, they don't have the perfect arm length. They're your

measurables for the position. Whatever it might be, you can usually find those guys on day two. But for a team like the Eagles, it's kind of similar to like the logic that Daniel Jeremiah always points to with like drafting a running back early where it's like if you're a contending team with a win now mindset adding a player like you know adding a running back in the first round or in this case adding a guard in the first round I do think it makes sense for a team like the Eagles for what they want to be in terms of you hate that I hate that I hate that framing for what you want to be as a not about you on it I hate that framing oh drafting a running back like if you're a contending team you can afford to you can afford to luxury need position like hate it it informs that the eagles don't

I mean, unless you're talking about if, like, Keldrick Falk were there, they should draft Keltrick Falk. Yeah, they should 100% draft Keltrick Falk over Vanga Yonah if they're both there. Okay. But if you're talking about non-premium positions and you are looking at the Eagles roster, I would rather them add a potential difference maker that comes in day one and starts than add a project player at a premium position. A lot of peace there.

In an effort to, you know, keep stockpiling at that spot. I think, you know, for what he would represent for the Eagles interior offensive line, I think you'd make a ton of sense at 23. Trading up is trickier, but if Sadiq, Keldrick Falk, Proct, I mean Proctor, if Procter, if it were like trade up for Yawane or just draft Proctor, that's probably where you lose me. I think you probably just wait and see if Proctor's there. Or move up two spots to get Proctor.

Now, it sounds like he is not going to make it to 23. It sounds like he is going to go in the top 20. I will tell you now about the guards, because it is the most different position. It is different than every other position. How so? And we can flip this up. So this is the sample I'm always working with. The players over the past, you know, 10 plus years

who have gone to the Pro Bowl or, you know, initial Pro Bowl or first team all pro, where do they come from? Where do they get drafted? And the guards are like the outlier. It is the latest median pick. The median pick for an elite guard is the very back end of round two, 60.5. It is the highest percentage of guys who come from day two.

So a lot of elite guards come from the second round and the third round. It is also the oldest average age, 22.8 years old. So you care about it a little bit less with guards. Now, there are still, there are, there's one 25 year old. And there's only a few 24 year olds. It's mostly that it's weighted towards 23-year-olds. And it's the lowest percentage of guys who come from Power 5 conferences. I don't really have a theory for that why.

It's why, like when we go through these guards, my opinions are going to be, are much more tepid and are leading much more on France scouting reports and stuff like that. I want to see how these guys move. But that also, what is not in there is that the history of round one guard only players, not very good.

So I, you know, I enjoyed watching Yawane. Everybody agrees he's the best guy. I would be pretty skittish at 23, even in a down draft. Now, he's only played left guard. He's never played red guard. I feel like if you're, you know, and he's not going to, you know, they're not going to move Lennon Dickerson over right now. I saw he played some right guard.

He played a little bit of right guard, like very little. Per the draft guide. He spent, he played about 100 snaps at right guard each of the last two seasons. Those are the first, I think he was a, he was a, 23 and 24. He's ever started a game at right guard. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

They did some cool stuff with him on offense where they're like flexing him out. He's an insane athlete, as our friend Daniel Gallin. He's cool. He's six, four and a half, three 20. Long arms, big hands. Good character. On the jumps. I like the player.

I just you can get, this is the one spot where like, if the draft is a, and this is why I don't like the framing of like a get a guard or running back if you're a contending team, how he knows this, man. The draft is about collecting talent for your franchise long term. That's the whole reason. It's not there.

It's not there. Then you move down. I guess, or you move up. You move up to get it. If you, and if you are trying to collect guys with elite upside in the first couple rounds, you can do it at guard still in rounds two and three,

whereas you can't really do that at most other positions. So I agree with you. I have a take on one of the players we're about to discuss that really does contradict, like the idea that you would move up for Venga Yolane. But if he's there at 23, I think that is just a value proposition because you say you move up

as Howie also knows you cannot always just move up it's not like you snap your fingers and you can move up five spots and get yourself a player at a premium position and in this year's draft like I mean you might not be you might be moving up for like Kenyan Tadik

not Celtric Falk or you know what name one of the like tackles that if you really yeah like it's not it's not necessarily like that straightforward in this year's class and maybe you have a trade back option where a team, you know, drafting, you know, in the late 20s is like, man, we really would love to get Vanga Yawane and you'd be willing to make that trade.

But if I'm the Eagles, I draft him and I feel like I've got a starter at right guard day one that can replace Tyler. I know he hasn't done it a ton, but I feel fine about it. And then this is your Landon Dickerson replacement in two years time. Yeah. It's a good player, man. It's a good player. I don't doubt that. I do have like, I understand the song you're singing and I will tell you.

you why when we discuss probably the next guy. Okay. All right, let's take our break here. Yeah. Put Yawanna to bed. And on the other side, let's talk about our favorite.

You're putting Yawane to bed. Day two guys. I feel like you're going to make the case for somebody that you really like. I got two guys I really like. All right. Why that who they are on the other side? Any Philly fan worth their salt

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interior offensive line. Okay, so you got Yawani in round one. Yeah. The consensus number two guy. Chase Passantis from Texas A&M is a year younger, true junior. Two years starting at left guard over the past two years. That true freshman year, 12 starts at right tackle with one at right guard. A little bit more athletic than Yuan A, not quite as powerful.

He's gotten short arms. Big red flag on my board is that he originally committed to Texas A&M to play for Steve Adazio. Hate that. Probably takes them off my board. However, that aside, profile looks pretty good. Would you be intrigued by him in like a round one trade down?

Round one trade down. You think he'll go that early? Possibility. Okay. I think he might be there for the Eagles at the end of the second. At the end of the second? Yeah, Fran has him as a second and third round grade. Okay.

But he is to me the like prototypical archetype like this is why you don't draft a guard in the first round. Okay. Is because you can find guys like Chase Pisontas in the second round who, yeah, they might have a lower floor because of something, you know, with him, it's like technique stuff. It's the fact that his hands are on the outside a lot and he's prone to holding penalties. But I mean, this guy's upside is awesome.

He is incredibly athletic. He's only 21 years old, as you mentioned, on Bruce Feldman's Freaks list. Just like an elite mover. I sent this to Lindsay just now because this got me excited. You know, talking to football guys a lot. Like, you know, you gotta check how these guys

look in their stance. You know, like their ankle mobility is really big in their stance. When you look at this guy in his stance, look at that. Look how low he is in his stance. Like that gets me excited. Look at how high the right tackle is. Sorry, Lindsay. That poor right tackle.

It looks like me. Oh, man. Bend over. I texted Fran earlier about a dog. My daughter's bragging about my five-year-olds bragging about like, you know, touching her toes with straight legs. She's like, Daddy, can you do this? Like, no.

Yeah, heck no. You nuts? It's a young man's game right there. But like the way that he looks in a stance is the way that he plays. He's got great explosiveness. He's got great mobility. His power's not like unbelievable. He doesn't have great pop in his.

his hands, but it's solid. You know, I think he is an all-round solid prospect with a really, really high upside. And again, a reason why you look at a first round guarding, you say like, yeah, I guess you're paying for the floor in round one. And I do think it with Vengo, Yowane, I can get there. But Chase Pisantis was like my favorite player. I watched it. Interesting.

Yeah. I liked him. If you're thinking about a round two possibility, I'm into that. Yeah, he had some, like, he had some reach blocks, like, where he was getting up to the second level and just like. erasing angles on linebackers and i'm like yeah that's that is a good fit for where the eagles are going in terms of the scheme fit with sean manion now fran is going to join us in a little bit but he pops in the in the chat to say that that's demetrius crown over oh no i'm saying i'm right tackle

man oh i mean that's fine oh i thought we circled the wrong one and i was like no no no the right tackle okay yeah yeah yeah that is tough um now by the way fran's going to join us you can join fran later today for dieharts diehards only you get a little Q&A all the guys that we're talking about Franz Dunham you want you got you got questions for him you can ask him at the event tonight I was laughing at my thought that we had circled their own guy my like internal panic I'm sorry uh okay chase passantis now do you want to tell me other guys you like or do you want to just work work down the the I'll tell you somebody I didn't like okay Emmanuel pregnant okay I think

you know how I feel about Emmanuel Precate. Now, by the way, Emmanuel, congratulations. I mean, what a, what a gift of life.

So happy for you in the family. You look great. You're glowing. We knew it was coming. I mean, this was a layup for you. Manuel Preggers. Breggard.

Three years at Wyoming. I mean, maybe four years of Wyoming. I don't know. Three years in Wyoming, two years at USC than this last year at Oregon. He's going to be 25 in October. Yes.

that does that is a no for me yeah I know for me dog I know that so there's one of the elite guards there's 32 of them one of them was 25 entering the NFL that was Kyle Long who also was from Oregon but you know he was a minor league baseball player there was a little least a better reason there yeah I mean you couple that with pregnant's fine he's got now he does have he does have huge hands 11 inch hands and hands actually matter quite a bit

oh really um there's a guy that I like who's got really I know I have three hands too. That's scary. And at that side, at 6-4, 314, he had a 35-inch vert, which is very good. He seems like a very good athlete. He might be a very good player. He's just not for me. You couple of the fact that he's an old with the fact that his biggest really selling

point. He's not a great mover. It's that he's physical and he's nasty. And that is where I'm a little, that's where I've been, you know, like I spend so much time with you that I feel like I've adopted this stance. It's like you can't be the old guy on the offensive line and be like, oh, man, he's just bowling people over. So yeah, I mean, yeah, he wasn't my type of interior offensive lineman, I would say. Yeah, he's not for me either.

But, you know, he's friends number three guard. So the tape must be better. Maybe that speaks more to the guard class than. Yeah, this card class. I was a little bit underwhelmed, generally speaking, yeah. Oh, no, this guard class, I'll be real about this. This guard class got really tough, really fast. like out of nowhere I'm like ooh like what am I watching here like this guy is an NFL

prospect so yeah it yeah but like by actually the same guy I believe uh franzgard 10 or his interior offensive lineman 10 he's uh he's yeah 10 yep this is the this is the duke tackle turned interior offensive lineman yeah it's tough um uh Brian Parker the second Ryan Parker the second I thought you were just like trying not to like air this guy out I had a different name in my head. Like, best luck to him. You know, maybe we're wrong. You guys just getting run through.

Yeah, it was tough. That's okay. Even like the good reps weren't good, you know. I quite like Keelan Rutledge from Georgia Tech. 23 years old as a rookie, 6.3.5, 316, 33 and 3 quarters inch arms, 10 inch hands. Had a very good vertical jump, 32 and a half inches, which puts him like this tied for the second best of that guard group. Plays with that nasty demeanor you want to see for guard. He's like a bully.

He really kind of pushes it right to the edge of where I'm like, all right, man. Like, you know, I'm a nice guy. And, like, I do like the guys who, like, play through the whistle, play with the nastiness. But he's like, he knocks a guy over. And he's, like, trying to lay on him. He's, like, trying to knee him in the face mask.

I'm like, all right, just, like, calm down. Out on the field, Gielin. A little bit too aggressive for me here. Two years at Middle Tennessee State before going to Georgia Tech for two years where he was an All-American, both years. I like him. if we're talking about end of round two,

if he makes it to round three, I think I'm interested there. My guess is he doesn't make it to round three. Just because teams love that play personality. Yeah. I was likely to go that high anyway. I think they usually get overdrafted. The thing that we haven't talked about yet

is how much is the Eagles philosophy, especially at this position, going to change in a new offensive scheme without Jeff Stalb. That is a very good question. There are some prospect. on this list that felt like slam dunks in a previous world where you have Jeff Soutland to develop

those players. And my guess is that they're still going to draft the same types of players. I think that we will have to see if the results, you know, are as consistent with those types of players. I think that's probably the best way to put it. Because I don't think they're going to change the way that they approach offensive line based off what we've heard from Hallie Rosen. I think they're still looking for unusual talent. And I think it's actually the right philosophy. You know, when I watch these guys, like if, you know, when I'm going through Fran's draft guide, which you guys should all become a diehard so you get access to it because tons of good information. When I see a lot of red in like the technique, I'm always like, that's the stuff that you can teach these guys.

You know, that's the stuff that, you know, you can't teach somebody to be, you know, a little spoiler. You can't teach somebody to be six, five, three hundred and twelve pounds with long arms and, you know, a lot of raw athleticism. But you can teach somebody to get their hands inside. So to me, I think it's the right approach to have. I think it's one they will maintain for at least a short term here. All right. You have one other guy you really like, right? Yeah.

Tell me who he is. Jalen Farmer from Kentucky. Okay. I love this guy. I like Jaylon Farmer. 6.5, 312, 34, uh, 34 inch arms. 34 and three quarters. Yeah.

Long arms. Good broad jump. Great 40 time. A hilariously small hands is what I have written down. Nine and a half inch. Nine and a quarter inch, I think it was. I think, I think there's two different measurements. Okay.

I gave him the nine. and a half, which is tied for the very bottom of that elite sample size. Tiny hands. The Burger King hands. Not quite, you know, you know, Zach Martin had small hands. Who is the Penn State O'Liman from last year? Al-Lu Fashionoo. Yeah.

Weren't his like seven or something? Like ridiculous? It was a, I'll find it. Because those were. I thought Jalen Farmer was a very fluid mover. Oh, my God. Yeah. And he's got both, right?

It's eight and a half for Olufashiono. He has both really, really good movement. elite like very fluid like you said but also really explosive and the thing i loved about watching him when he gets latched on to somebody it's violent it is like chaotic like once he once he gets gets his hands on people at the second level you know it's it does it looks like dramatic when he hits people which i like he's got so he's got some pop got some power um you know he's he's one of the rare like on day two you're usually like picking power or explosiveness a lot of times and with him i felt Like you got both.

So again, it seems like there's probably some techniques. And you know what? He's a guy who you can read Franz Scouting Report. Yeah. Fran's going to join us. You could tell Fran likes him. Oh, there's a lot of blue in here. Yeah.

Yeah. There's like, you know, um, Fran's rankings are one thing. And sometimes you can read a little bit more about like this is a guy he believes has real upside. Yeah. But he has to ding him for some. Yeah.

Well, I was going to say the red is all the stuff that I mentioned earlier. Like habitually laid off the ball in both phases. Like that is something you can teach somebody. He's explosive. He, you know, his testing shows

that he can be quicker. You know, ice can be a bit late to see blitzers and lupers. Like, these are the things that, to me, that's what you,

that's what the coaches are there for. You know, as Sheal Capadio would say, shout out to Sheal. That's what the money's for for the coaching staff. This guy is like, my type of guy

in that he has, you know, very, very good traits. And the stuff that he's not as proficient in is teachable stuff. One thing that is interesting about the brand's interior office

line grants is it is it is we haven't gone through every single one yet so far it's by far the one where he is sort of like consensus is close is yeah there are there are some differences like with two versus four whatever but there are no huge outliers yeah um one guy who who I really liked reading about and watching from him is his top center who uh you know is like the consensus three center but connor lou from Auburn. There's a guy who you can tell how athletic he is. Yeah. Really moves well.

This is a three-year starter. True Jr. So he's going to be 21 as a rookie. He's coming off a torn ACL in October. Now, I've been sort of sucked in by young centers before. The guy from Ohio State two years ago comes to mind. Luke Whippler, I think his name was. So I'm a little bit scarred here.

Yeah, you got some. But I like Conner Lou a lot. And to me, if you're thinking about, okay, how is a guy available? You know, he's coming off a tour in ACL in October. Is he a round in round four? Is he a real upside? This is part of where, like, your Drew Kendall belief comes into play a little bit. But I like this guy.

Yeah, the tricky thing with Connor and Lou and any of these, like, center-only prospects, because I really do think he probably is only a center is, like, can you really stockpile those guys? Like, you'd have to feel really good. And we talked about the show. Half, 3-10. I feel like he could move to guard. So Fran didn't.

Yeah, I feel like the way that he plays is predicated. I mean, maybe in like an outside zone scheme where you're really just prioritizing having athletes on the interior. But I think if you make that pick, if I mean, listen, like, I'm not ruling out. Eagles could totally do something like this. And then it would be confidence that Cam Juergens can be a guard in Sean Mannion system. That's the way that you could talk me into it because they already have Drew Kendall and I know they're bullish on him and they've got Cam Jurgens.

Like can't keep drafting like the athletic center and trying to. to figure out how to fit all these guys on the interior. Yeah. Okay. Anybody else we want to talk about before we get to Fran and pin some more on him? Um, about Fibcci? I liked Fibcci. Beechi, we woo.

I think it's, now listen, you are correct. From Oklahoma. Fran did the work on these guys. So I will defer to him. Now you will. I will defer to him. Off camera. This might be the type of thing.

You don't know ball. This might be the type of thing where it's like, it's like Travis E. Chen, right? Where it's, I'm going to tell you guys it's we woo because I'm, don't want to hear you try to pronounce it the way it's actually pronounced. Or maybe he does pronounce it the way that. Maybe it's in Moro Gimo situation where it's just going to change everything. Exactly.

I think based off the way it is, it's like a, it's a, it's a sound that we don't make here. And like, you know, in America with our language, but it is like, you know, it's like win where it's like, yes, you can say win. But if you're really trying, you go win. Like you have a little win, right? maybe this is a Nui-Wu type of situation but he doesn't want us to be trying he doesn't want Jibronis like me on the podcast going

Nui-Wu so I get it Fabi-Wi-Wu from Oklahoma I like how you didn't even try there North Texas transfer has played a little bit of tackle a little bit of center in the past as well so there's some theoretical versatility weirdly low vert but I liked watching him move as well

I do aesthetically like a little bit more gut in my guards he's almost too well built. Too pretty. The flip side to that is I then watched Billy Shrout from Notre Dame who's got some gut and I did not like that guy.

Yeah, given the two, give me a wee wood. I was fine with Billy Shroth. He was a very workman-like interior offensive lineman. Here's the thing. You read it.

Billy Shrout grew up one of like five kids on a cattle farm. I don't think you need to, I don't think you need to watch the tape after that. I think you know exactly you hear that one piece of information.

And you know exactly what you're getting. Yeah, yeah. I completely agree. And then Brian Parker really just made me lose all will to watch the rest of the group. And I did not. There's a couple of the guys I didn't love. But there's a couple of late guys. So I want to ask Fran about who he saw in person.

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Fran, we're doing interior offensive lineman. You are Howie Roseman. You have a new offensive line scheme. I give you these four choices. Venga, Yuane, in round one. Chase Basantis in round two. Keelan Rutledge in round three or Connor Liu in round four, which one?

Oh, you should have done Fetchy. I didn't. The way I would look at it, I will say, just because of the nature of this class, I actually think all of those guys, like bump him up a tear. Okay. Like I think Bissontas end of round one.

I think Yawane out of Eagles reach. I think Rutledge. I had Rutledge in the mock draft last week. Yeah. So I think he could sneak in and then it was Lou in round four. That's just because of the ACL. That's probably the most likely in that range. But to answer the to the state of the question,

probably Rutledge in three. I mean, just because I had him in the first round. And, you know, he's a guy. I really just like enjoy the player. He's really tough. physical, he's got guard flex that he's played left and right, uh, it has worked on snapping. So, you know, theoretical center flex as well. Uh, I like Keeling Rolls a lot.

Okay. Good place to start. Um, Sontas in round one, man, that's a little rich. I like him. I like him a lot, but round one, that's, I, I think this is a draft where, you know, because the nature of the class and you guys know, you've been going through all these positions, you kind of see it, right? Is that, uh, because of the lack of like high end talent across the board, I think,

offensive line is typically seen as, you know, relatively plug and play, as relatively quote-unquote safe, I think we'll see a lot of these offensive linemen go off the board. You know, I did the mock draft last week. And in that exercise, I was like, all right, I kind of wonder, what if the run, you know, the run on offensive lineman happens a little bit later in the first round. And I'm working on another mock draft now. Then I'm hoping to get down in the next couple days. And I think, let's go to the inverse here and see, like, all right, what is the ripple effects of that?

I do think. And I think it's the more likely scenario with the offensive linemen going early. So yeah, it's going to be interesting to see how that pans out for the Eagles. So let's play that out. Offensive linemen go early. So obviously the top two guys go in the top 10. Yawane goes top 15. And like Proctor and Freeling are both off the board before 23.

Is that? I think both those guys potentially off the board by 17. Really? Wow. Yeah. So like you're talking about five linemen going off the board. Okay. Yeah, five offensive linemen in the top 16 picks, 17 picks.

Okay, and so who does then that push down for the Eagles? So now you're talking. Is there a chance that Caleb Downs goes to 18 or something like that, and the Eagles can move up to there to get him? I think Downs, I think so then, all right, so if you have five offensive linemen, let's go, let's play this out really quickly. Five offensive linemen.

Quarterback, six. Yep, obviously one quarterback gets you to six, running back gets you to seven. let's say two receivers for sure. So let's say between Tyson and Lemon and then obviously Tate. Okay, so that's nine. I actually think there would be three, but let's play that out. I think Sadiq in that group.

Okay, so he does not move down. Now, we should say Eagles brought in Kenyan and Sadiq for a pre-draft 30 visit, the reports are, which is interesting. And it remains a trade of possibility. Okay, but that gets us to 10. That gets us to 10. Stay with me. Sunny Stiles, R.V.L. Reese, David Bailey.

Yep, so Bailey, Bailie, Rees, Stiles, Bain. Yeah. Those are probably the definites. Yeah, that's four. That's it, right? No Parker. Right. Falk, I wouldn't put it as a definite, even though I lean he probably is. Yeah, okay, so let's get those four.

Delane. Delaine McCoy, those two. Okay, so that's 16. That's 16. Probably it. Okay. Okay, but that means, so that means Downs could potentially get to. Oh, I would put, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry.

Downs in there. Okay. Yeah. That gets you to 17. I don't think Downs makes it past Dallas. I think if he makes it the 12, I think Downs will be a cowboy. Okay, so let's say those 17 are off the board. Let's play it out.

Okay. And let's say the other wide receiver goes. Okay, so that's, that's 18. That's likely. Now you're at, you're at 23. Is there someone you would be willing to move up four spots for? if those are the 18 and I think you're thinking of

Keldrick Falk is a possibility a different offensive lineman is a possibility but I don't know would you just stick and hope for Ihanachor or something like that is there a fourth wide receiver who you would be happy with

that's I mean that's not a pretty picture I can say yeah it's to me it's I think you're talking Concepcion so you have Casey Concepcion I think you're talking Ihani Chor Which honestly

This actually is like making It makes me feel good a little bit Because these are players that we have talked about A lot of like going back to January For the Eagles Concepcion was in my first mock draft Of the Eagles of January Ehaniature we talked about as an Eagles fit

For ad nauseum During senior bowl week Fuck Yeah I try to think Keljerk Yeah Yeah I think you probably try to hold your nerve

And sit for Keldrick Falk But yeah I think so. I don't think you want to trade. Honestly, I think you're probably looking at a potential trade downs scenario. Or you stick, you hope that Ihonitor falls to you.

Yeah. Not ideal. I mean, if Falk is there. I think I'm gonna think I honiture as a tackle only. Like I don't think the chargers will take the charges picking right ahead of you at 22. I don't think they're taking Ehanoture. So you'd worry like would New England move up, would Houston move up? That would be, you're battling against some of those other teams behind you.

You know, if Cleveland takes a receiver early, do they move up to try and get Ion at Haunted chore ahead of you. So those are the teams you'd be worried about. Yeah. T.J. Parker, I think, becomes a possibility. As a stick and pick. Yeah. As a stick and pick.

Now, we also talk about Avion Terrell. Yep. It's a bit spicy given the resource allocation. Surprise me. Yeah. Dylan Phenaman. What about Thineman? Oh, and yeah, Thineman. Thineman is the other one.

Yeah. I know. I know. I'm with you there. I like the player. I do like them. but yeah that would that's a tough one

just a resource allocation standpoint yeah okay it's probably the worst case scenario that they're playing out inside the Jefferson Health Complex that doesn't feel like an unrealistic scenario at all oh no not at all but it's one that they will have to be prepared for yeah but we've talked about I think

did we talk about this or was it yeah I agree the Eagles I mean they don't trade up as often as but in the first round is when we see them trade up you know more often than not oh yes you're talking about this on a different show Yeah, I think I believe so. Yes, correct.

People should listen to that episode of the Philly Special. Thank you. I think that, shout out the Shield in C2S. I think that to me, that is a likely scenario. So then you're trying to trade up to, you know, maybe Minnesota at 18. Carolina could be a willing partner at 19. Yeah, but then it becomes like,

okay, are you willing to trade a third-run pick might not even get it done. Maybe it doesn't. But would you trade two threes to get Caden Proctor? Like, Okay, so a couple things. The reason why I pointed at Minnesota is that Minnesota does not have a GM right now.

So trade value, I think, might mean less to them. Also, I actually think this could be, and this is a conversation I had with somebody earlier today, because of the nature of this class, trade value charts might be a little wonky. You know, in that, you know, we know, like the 11th pick that you ever start a number out there is not equivalent to the 11th pick in a typical year. And so you might see teams willing to take less to move down.

You know, this has been talked about with the Arizona Cardinals at three, potentially trading with the Cowboys, without the Cowboys having to give up 20, which seems ludicrous. But in the nature of this class, like that might be something that you might be willing to swallow just because, you know, knowing, like, it's not a great group. Okay.

All right. Let's pivot back a little bit to the interior offensive lineman here. I will ask you the question that I have asked you for most of these guys. And I think it's a little bit different now that we are expecting some kind of change in the way that the offensive line works. There might, it might not change what they're looking for in the draft at all. But if you are looking for, like, a day three guy who screams either. Stoutland Howie like critical factors or maybe could be a menace in a wide zone type scheme

who looks like a potential Eagles draft pick. You mentioned Jalen Farmer. Farmer is a guy that definitely stands out for me. Now, did we read that correctly? Reading your scouting report, you like Jalen Farmer. Guilty. Yeah, I do like Jalen Farmer. I like Farmer.

And similarly, I also like Jeremiah Wright for a lot of the same. reasons. And Jeremiah Wright, you know, is a converted defensive lineman moved over offense full-time in Auburn, or at Auburn, I should say. So he's only been playing offensive line full-time for three seasons. He's really stout. I think athletically, it's more just like the short area, like, you know, quick-twitch stuff as opposed to like, oh, man, he's really good on the move. You know, and so depending on what the Eagles view their run game looking like and things of that nature, that may or may not be a good fit there. I think he's more like. He will be 25. He's a rookie. He's an old.

Yep, yeah, an older guy. But you explain that away by the fact that, like, hey, I wanted to go back and play another year. You know, the Auburn, they had high hopes coming into this year. You know, so I can kind of explain that away. Fran, I will let you think about, Fran, I will let you think about this in a little bit of an interim because it's time to. Branny. Go ahead. I like Farmer, too, like, for the reason he's a kid that, you know, he's got, I know, like the hands measured in small, but you see, like, every time he makes

contact. This is honestly where he stood out to me at Mobile at the Senior Bowl, because I hadn't done his film before the senior ball. Every time he made contact with a defensive lineman, you saw like the helmet. Yeah, on the defender. Like he's got very heavy hands. I like him. Yeah. I like Jalen Farmer. One of my one of my comps actually for him was actually a former eagle. Chance Warmac, who disappointed as a top 10 pick. But I think in terms of like play style, skill set, I mean, Warmac started in the league for a good amount of years. the Eagles got him at the very end but I could see Jalen Farmer being that kind of like low end starter

really good backup type of player so do you think this is a kind of like if Jilin Farmer makes it to round three if you were thinking about adding an offensive lineman to this group for the Eagles would who's available in round three be better than

a veteran that you could acquire an trade if it depends on the vet I probably I think we just I just want I lean like I want young players so like you know I think give me

the mystery box personally but I could see going the other way especially if like if given truth serum like Harry Roseman is like yeah like maybe we don't want to play with fire and throw too many young offensive linemen

without stout in the building like if you know if that's like that's true he got feels you know maybe let's go with a veteran route with more of a proven track record that's interesting all right I got a couple

late guys to have ask you about. Yes. Caden Barnett from Wyoming. You saw him at the Shrine game, I believe. I liked him. And he liked him. And he worked at the Combine. I kind of like a Cadden Barnett. Yeah. He was not at the Combine. Barnett. He was not at the combine. Yeah, he was a snub.

If memory serves, I am pretty sure on that. Give me one second. Yeah, he was a Combine Snub. Roger. What are you doing? Yeah, we can get into. That's a whole other thing is the Combine Invite process. But no, I like Caden Barnett. just seeing him up close. And it's funny, you know, I, I don't know by that point in the calendar, like,

who players are training with and stuff like that. I don't really have a good grip on. Didn't find out until, like, the end of the week, like, as the week was coming to a close, he's actually, he's working with Duke Mannyweather and, like, those guys down there. So he's, he's in the right house in terms of where he's prepping because, you know, Duke is, that, by the way, anyone that doesn't know, like, that's who, you know, Lane Johnson, you know, and he's, but honestly, like, Duke is, as good as it gets in terms of like any personal position trainer.

You know, and Barnett, he's well put together. He moves well. He just looked like a potential starter down the line. Now, I haven't done the film yet. But I did like what I saw in person from Gaden Barnett. And then I got one other one for you. Another late round guard. He only played Red Guard in college.

DJ Campbell from Texas, big guy, enormous hands, enough to intrigue me. I struggled with his tape. Okay. You know, I ended up giving him a, yeah, I gave him a camp body grade. I think he was a right guard only. If say, yeah, right guard only, not a great athlete, definitely a big body, struggled in pass protection.

I thought some of the technique stuff in the run game wasn't great. But like even like that was like as though juice worth the squeeze there from a physical tool standpoint. Yeah, I struggled a little bit with DJ Campbell. Okay. He definitely looks the part. Really quick one for you, Fran. Jennings Dunker.

I see some other analysts have him as a guard. You have him as a tackle. Where do you think he fits and where would he fit in your interior offensive line rankings? I think I have it. So basically the way that I split guys up is I go like tackle guards and then guards interior offensive line. Okay, gotcha.

So yeah, so I actually do think that he's more of a guard than a tackle. I have him. He's just tackle guard 17, I believe. Yeah, so I'm just looking at my horizontal board. He would be my one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, four, seven, nine. This is great podcasting. 12. He would be my 14.

He would be IOL 14. Wow. I have a backup great on him. Yeah, and I do think the flexibility is a good thing. I know some are really high on him. Yeah. I know he's become a, he's become like a darling because of like the, you know, for obvious, obviously, like, The long red hair

The moment The whole deal So I get it But as a player I thought he was just okay I wasn't like completely moved by him I like the other I like Logan Jones

The center from Iowa I like more I think he was a fun watch I liked Logan Jones But Dunker was just okay I thought Okay Brian Parker

Yeah Ryan Parker's tape is ugly Yeah But that's why I think he's I think he's an interior offensive lineman. I think a lot of his issues.

I think a lot of his issues are he does not have the foot quickness to play tackle. And so guys are going through him because he is like so overextended, like stress like trying. Not because of not because of an anchor. Yeah. I think it's, I think moving to the inside, I think will mitigate some of his issues. That said, I don't think he's like a high end starter. I do think that he's more of like a swing backup. I think I like him a little bit more at, uh, at guard than center.

You know, one of the things that, because people have been saying this a lot about, Spencer Fano, the tackle from Utah, you know, potential top 10 pick. It's like, oh, like, he took snaps to the combine. Like, let's look at him at center. There is, like, so much more that goes into playing center than just, like, being able to snap the ball and the mental side of things.

So, you know, just saying, like, oh, yeah, like, Brian Parker, like, slide him into center. Yeah, that happens. But it's not the, it's not like a slam dunk transition. So I actually like him a little bit more as a guard personally. Who was the guy last year, went to the bucks? You liked a lot. was it was also a college

tank home was moving inside uh well the one from a few years ago who actually compared Parker to was Robert Hainsey uh that was like four years ago last year first round first round pick uh grand Barton he was two years ago okay yeah grand bar and that's what a lot of people point because he was also from Duke so a lot of people have pointed to that

yeah yeah have pointed to that yeah yeah have 20 oh yeah like just like grand Barton but Barton was awesome um you know honestly similar to like Grace Able because people said the same thing about Gray's able last year. It was like, oh, yeah, you could just do it, you know, but again, like tackle to center. The center is, there's so much from a mental standpoint that's required there that that's, that's a big swing to take personally. Yeah.

Okay. Sounds like a bit of an underwhelming class. Yeah. Yeah. I think overall, it definitely isn't it in this group, guards, it's, yeah, it's not the best. I think center, center is okay. It would have been better, you know, in terms of, you mentioned like Connor Liu, you know, if he didn't tear the ACL, he was a top 30 player for me coming into the,

coming into the fall. But yeah, because he was actually injured in the spring too, like didn't participate in spring ball from something separate. So it's like, all, like can this guy stay healthy at all? But yeah, the center class is interesting. Probably a little bit more exciting than guard. But yeah, I'd say it's not as great. The tackle group is better overall.

Okay. All right, Fran. Well, good luck with the Q&A tonight. Thank you. We'll hopefully see you on another. one of these tomorrow and then we got you in studio on Wednesday so we're looking forward to that what's the what's the what's the plan tomorrow position wise what you guys think we're still waiting right yeah we're we're we're TBD you'll have to tune in to find be tackle could be wide receiver

could be quarterback I don't know about that yeah it's gonna be one of the three yeah so get some irons in the fire keep you on your toes keep on your toes people out there uh thank you friend good to see it appreciate it guys talk soon uh before we go we go we We got a super chat here from Fresh Prince. A nice generous donation. Thank you. Beau. Hello.

Could you share your thoughts on the two Hertz articles that came out? I believe in Jalen. I also think he needs to listen to coaching and be more flexible. The coaches and everyone else seem to be doing everything right. What was the other article? Jeff McLean's article after the ESPN article,

which said that the Eagles are not planning to extend Jalen Hertz this off season. Okay. Let's see here. My thoughts. I think you have done a good job of talking about this, E.J., where I think you could ask 50 people in the building. And you would get 20 people who are of the opinion that Jalen is really holding back the team. 20 people who would go to war and say that this guy is the perfect person you want in the building. and 10 guys who are sort of in between and they'll, you know, they'll take, they're fine, they're not upset about it,

but they think he could do some things better. It's a complicated question. I think what is interesting to me about the articles is that this sentiment does exist in the building and the organization itself does not go out of its way to counter that framing of the conversation. Yeah. and I don't think that that would be the case in a lot of buildings

and I think that probably does speak to there being some level of tension between Jalen and the people who are in charge now that that could be the coaching staff that could be the front office that could be the very top it could also just be part of the negotiating right over what another extension could look like

but I think what is nice about it is that the way that this offense is set up this year, we are going to get some answers. Yeah. This is theoretically going to be a different kind of offense. I do think that some of the things that were framed as negatives

by some people in those story, and I thought Tim did a very good job of writing it this way, that this was the perception doesn't mean that it's the reality. Yes. is like the idea of Jalen changing a play or one thing that really stood out to me it was a complaint that like they would install something new

it wouldn't go well and then Jailen wouldn't want to do it anymore yeah and to me that resonates and not in a not in a the results need to bear it out I'm going to be quick to flip it But if you can't explain the why, and you are the next guy in the rotating cast of characters of people who are running my offense, then I have to lean on the things that I know best and know that I can do.

If you can explain that going under center more and throwing the ball over the middle of the field and show it to me is going to really help the offense. That's part of the job. And then it is incumbent upon Jalen to accept all of those things. And we weren't in the rooms for those conversations. I don't know how those conversations went. Yeah.

But I think it's very relatable. Anybody out there, if your boss is telling you to do something that you don't agree with, you probably want to be explained why this is going to be effective. Yeah. And not just put your head down and be a soldier about it. When you are the guy who is the face of the franchise and is the one with your hand on the trigger. Completely agree. I think that is what I, this is one of the things I enjoy most about our show is that we can talk through something that, you know, makes a big reaction at the beginning.

But there's a lot of nuance here and a lot of context that we've gone through on the show. I think that's well said. The one thing I wanted to add is that I've seen it, like I've seen the sentiment out there that like, you know, now there's national reporters like trying to smooth things over with the Eagles by saying nice things about Jalen Hertz. that's not my read on that at all. Like, I don't think that this is like the Eagles like tipping the scales trying to get some balanced coverage out about Jalen Hertz. I think in Jeff McLean's article, it was stated that like, you know, sometimes people feel like they need to speak publicly to get through to Jalen.

And whether or not that's actually the true, like not the Jeff's reported, whether or not that sentiment is valid or not, whether like people should have to speak, you know, to reporters to get through to Jalen. I don't think that the Eagles are now trying to like pump Jailen up. publicly. Yeah, I don't think, I think. I don't think that read is correct. I think that's probably right.

Yeah. Okay. Good conversation. Yeah. Appreciate the Super Chat. Appreciate the Super Chat. Very generous today, everybody. Thank you very much.

We appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. That's just Monday. We got four more shows this week. That's a good thing. That's six shows next week. I'm saying we got a lot to do. I mean, this is fun.

Like my predecessor would say, It ain't digging ditches, right? I mean, yet. Yeah. That's all we got. Thank you, Lindsay. Remember, if you are diehard, check out the event with Fran tonight. Get your questions in for him.

He's been doing the work. Might as well take advantage of it. That's what we do. We try to squeeze him dry every little ounce of information. I really didn't like that. Oh, no, no, no, no. All right, let's get out of here. Yeah.

We will talk to tomorrow at 2 o'clock for E.J. and Fran and Lindsay. I'm Bo. Thanks for watching. And as always, we love you.