PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Duck, Duck, Juice! Predicting which positions will be Howie Roseman’s Eagles draft focus

Episode Date: March 20, 2025

Quack, quack, quack! Fran Duffy is in studio for his first foray into the fabled Duck, Duck, Juice exercise, wherein we predict the positions the Eagles are most likely to focus on come late April when Howie Roseman is doling out fist bumps after every Eagles draft pick. Will players Landon Jackson and Shemar Stewart be targets to fill out the edge group? Do the Eagles want to fortify the offensive line with options like Josh Conerly or Anthony Belton? What about a safety like Malaki Starks?Join Fran, Zach Berman and Bo Wulf for all the festivities. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles show on a beautiful March Madness Thursday, Bowulf, Fran Duffy. Zach Berman here to talk about the Eagles, what we think they might do in the draft. What else is going on in the world? Fran, good to see you. How are you doing? It's been a long time. It's been about 10 minutes since we finished the PhD draft show. It's, yeah, hope everybody got to check that out. Good conversation there about the outliers in this draft on offense. Some very eye-opening stats. Look forward to hearing from you what you think about. that. Check it out on the podcast feed or on the PHL by Draft Show with Fran Duffy YouTube feed. Zach, how you doing, looking good and blue? Thank you. Doing well. Excited for the show. I had to, admittedly, go back to last year's Duck, Doc, Juice to remind myself what the game is.

I knew it was a game that I played. I didn't, I couldn't put together which game it was. And I was like, oh, this is a fun game. I like this one. It's a good one to do at the, at the onset of the, it's Marks in this show the beginning of let's just talk about the draft every single day, basically. For what? I understand that you're living and breathing these guys. You're doing guys all day along every night. But from the Eagles perspective, we're now through free agency for the most part. We turn our attention to the draft and we can really get into the nitty gritty.

Yeah. I, Zach will be happy to know that we finished the draft show and I turned in and I was like, what are the rules of duck, duck juicy? I have not spent any time thinking about this. I always have to check out with the scorn. scoring situation is in Duck Duck Juice, but I am up to date on it now. Duck Duck, Duk Chus, the longest running of all the draft games. This one dates all the way back to 2018.

How prestigious. It is. I also need to compliment you because I didn't put it together until the cold open that in the thumbnail is Josh Connerly and you did it because he's a duck, Norgan Duck. Thank you very much. First I was like, okay, is this Bose tell as far as his first round pick? but then I was like, oh, he's doing it because it's the duck.

And because he visited the Eagles on a top 40 visits. Let's get into this. Let's get into this. Two early reports of visits for the Eagles, both offensive linemen, Josh Connerly and Anthony Belton. And another one who is here based on his Instagram, not the one I told you about, but Marcus Maybo. Bo, Bo.

No, the M silent. Yeah, I'm sorry. I got to work my pronunciations. I did study the edge rusher pronunciation. pronunciation guides yesterday. Boston College, what do you got? Ezoruku. So here's the thing.

We had this conversation in the combine. The pronunciation guide, it's wrong. Is that right? Yeah. So we had a family member of Donovan Ezoraku. Aseraku, reach out. Reach out.

And say, I work with his aunt. His aunt confirmed the pronunciation. I was like, but the pronunciation guide says this. Eseraku. That's awesome that the aunt watches, number one. and I will get that, I will get that correct from here on now.

But yeah, and then I, I'm going to put this little nugget out there, okay, that I've received a message. I'm not going to name the name of the player because I haven't independently verified it, right? But there's a deep, like a day three offensive lineman who is in Philly today, according to an avid viewer of the show,

an avid listener of the show. I mean, you've got to be a real sicko to recognize a day three offensive line prospect. It's outstanding. I was impressed. I was impressed. So what do you make of those three visits? Because we talked about this. With the Eagles, you can be sure that the guys they're bringing in for these pre-draft visits are guys that they are interested in.

All three of those players are like second round-ish, maybe, maybe late first or trade-down from 32 type offensive line prospects. I think that Howie Roseman, as I said, has sort of evolved on this front. It is like a maturity of having gone through the process and trying to figure out why you've missed on guys. And maybe it's because you didn't do enough homework on the guy. And so we're not so worried about the obfuscation part of visits and trying to get people off our scent of what we really want. We're using this time to get to know these guys so that we can make the best bets that we can. So what do you make of them bringing in three offensive linemen here? Well said. Well, first off, as you've been all over this, and this isn't giving anything away for the show, because I imagine we'll all have offensive tackle pretty high up, is this is a position that the Eagles will and should prioritize this year in the sense that they don't have depth right now. They just lost Fred Johnson. We talked about Darian Kinnard on yesterday's show, but swing tackle is an important spot. They have a 34, 35-year-old offensive tackle. They have a, you know, their left tackle, Jordan Milata's, he's been banged up a few times the past few years. Chances are, chances

are your swing tackle is going to play. And then also, even if Elaine Johnson plays three more years, you can kind of start having that plan, especially if you're taking a guy who's more of a project type. And so, you know, for instance, I actually think day two was the range that I, or was the likely day that I thought Eagles would take a tackle. You know, in my first mock draft, if you will,

the pre-combine one, I had them going Cameron Williams in the second round. I have a mock draft. When's the mock draft coming out, Julia, on YouTube? Tomorrow morning. Check that bad boy out on YouTube. Can I give a little tease about the offensive tackle I have going day two? Why not? I have Charles Grant going in the third round in that one. You just talked about him today. Okay, yeah. So make sure I... 19 bench press reps. What are we doing? Why even do it?

He's got really long arms. So the longer arms, the hard, you know, it's like Kevin Durant struggled with the bench press. I, in theory, I mean, I don't think I'd put up 225, but I would be better at the bench press than someone who has long arms because short arms, it's easier. your to bench press. And you live longer. And you live longer, yes. In theory, it depends. If you listen.

Drop the bar. If you listen to Emily, if you listen to Emily, she's like, your sleep is going to catch up to you. So. Emily. And me and Fran and every single one of the listeners and viewers of this show. Everybody in your life is screaming at you about this.

Well, she was scrolling through the aura ring. And she's like, this one's fine. This is not. Good. This is, and so in any event, the bench press. So, but Charles Grant is a guy you'd probably consider more of the project type than the guy you'd insert in your starting lineup tomorrow. So I think, and probably even Cameron Williams to an extent as he's a younger prospect who had, he dealt with weight issues earlier in his career. So I actually thought that maybe there be more of that project type, the mold of clay, if you will, that we've talked about with, you know, some of these guys in the past who Jeff Stout.

can develop. Let's talk about the specific guys. Yep, Fran, quickly, because they are all offensive linemen, but they are different types of offensive linemen, which is a little bit interesting. Start with Anthony Belton 6-36, a big fella, ran a 5-2, 640. Yeah, I think I'm a little bit higher on Belton than most, you know, in the media escape anyway. I think when you're looking at Belton, he is more of your Mackay-Bectin type of player, 6-6-336, as you mentioned. Probably the most powerful offensive lineman, you know, outside of, you know, I would say like Membu and Will Campbell, you know, you take those two guys,

they're going to go in the top 10. You put them aside. Belton after that is the guy that most impressed me with his ability to just move people off the ball. Even more than Tyler Booker, for instance. Well, I should say, that's a tackle. Of the tackles.

Yeah. So when you're looking at Belton, his ability to move people off the ball really stood out, certainly not the type of athlete that some of these other guys are. Never saw him once overwhelmed by a bullrusher. I think he holds himself really well

in the past game from an anchor standpoint. point. You can get a little bit sloppy in the run game. Things to coach out. He'll lunge. You get a little overaggressive at times. But technique stuff that you can get kind of situated there. Played both tackle spots at the senior bowl. I thought he had a good week. He was on my all practice team down there in Mobile. It was not a perfect week, but the fact that he played both tackle spots and also mixed in at some guard as well, I played some left guard when he was down in Mobile. I think that also will be beneficial. On the flip side, Josh Connerley, a much different type of player.

Yep. Six, five, three, eleven, had some explosive results athletically at the conombine, but not a, not a powerful guy. No, he's the opposite where everything with him is athleticism, really light feet, fluid hips. It looks really good in pass pro, just like getting out of his stance, you know, getting from A to B, but not a power player at all. I thought, I didn't think that he got nearly the amount of movement that you would want from

a starting offensive lineman and also his anchor strength. We've talked about the difference between strength and power. You know, he also was a guy that got moved off of his spot by bull rushers. There was obviously that huge low-light clip from the Senior Bowl where the pass rusher from Marshall, Mike Green, just bull rushed him into oblivion and just, you know, knocked him horizontal to the grass. I think when you're looking at Connerly, he needs to get stronger,

but the athletic traits are there. I'm going to be honest, I've done two pass-throughs of his film. The first time I watched him was in, like, October. and watched an early game or two, I kind of thought he was like a Jack Driscoll type of prospect where I was like, okay, like he's probably like a fourth round pick, maybe a late three. But then I started getting more word like,

oh, this guy's probably going to go a little bit earlier. So I went back and did another, it was all right, he's probably more athletic than given credit for. I still am a little bit lower on him than consensus because of that anchor. I'm a little bit worried about what that would be. So I think he would need to get time to get stronger before he was inserted into a starting lineup.

But very relevant to Bo here is that if you look at the two of them, they're about three years apart. Which when you talk about strength in particular, that's something that you could, if you have three years to get bigger, I'm not saying Connerally becomes Anthony Belton. Yeah, sure. It's something you have to consider

when you're talking about a player's strength. He's also going to be a 21-year-old rookie when training camp open, so that's something that's certainly to make. And Belton was a six-year senior. Right. I think, did you make the point yesterday? He's older than...

Well, we don't have the exact age yet, but he's the same high school class as Kenyon Green. There you go. Oh, that's interesting. So it depends if he's an older guy in his class or a younger guy. Yeah, that's the interesting thing. And I imagine when we get to the draft, when we get to corner, we may touch on the fact that sometimes you have a situation where like a Kili Ringo

is drafted a year ahead of a guy like Quignon Mitchell. And yet Kila Ringo is still a whole year younger. Yeah. Take a shot. Third guy, Marcus Boe. Yep. 64-303, which is a little light, especially on the outside. we talked about that on the draft show.

So my question would be, can he anchor? Is he a guy who has to stay outside? He was a guy. I did have questions about the anchor, watching him on film. I actually have him and Connolly I have right next to each other on my board. I had Bo just ahead of him

because to me, like, Marcus Bow's athleticism is like, wow. Okay. Because he's also got short arms, just 32 inches. 32 inch arms. And 6'4 too. So is he big enough to be on the outside,

but is he strong enough to be on the inside? It seems like a tough one. It's somewhere in the middle, and that's why honestly some teams have talked to him about playing center. He talked about that at the Combine. Took some center reps at the senior bowl as well. Now, projecting him to center is a big deal. You can't just say, oh, yeah, just go slide to center.

Sure. That's a big transition for a player to make. But, you know, Marcus Bow is a really athletic offensive lineman. He can be a weapon on the move, never saw him, you know, having issues like protecting the corner. It's really just the anchor. He's got solid power because that athlete, that's the thing. again, the athleticism paired with some girth, he comes off the ball with good leverage.

He can move guys off the ball. But when people get into his pads and drive him backwards, that's where he gets into trouble. Yeah, it's an interesting one because to the point of these are different guys, I mean, one of them seems to me like, oh, this is the guy who just could take over for Mackay Beckton and maybe eventually take over for Lane Johnson. And the other two are guys like, oh, these are Fred Johnson replacements.

Right. Yeah, and, you know, again, just because like Fred Johnson, he's like that big, like, hulking linemen. Like, to me like... But just in a... role. Yes, in terms of role. You know, I think that's what you'd be hoping for with those guys. Okay.

Before we get to the draft, who'd you pick to win it all? I picked Florida. Oh, nice. Yeah. Jock, but that's okay. Thanks. I have not, I have that, so I am unapologetic in my, I have not watched, I think I've watched like a quarter of college basketball this year.

I've watched very little, so I've got, it's good to know because there is, they don't do quarters in college basketball. So I'm thinking in terms of, I mean, yeah. You know what I mean. I understand what you mean. Hopefully all of the sick goes on the chat signed up for the official P.H.O.I. Eagles bracket contest.

We've got to comb through the names. I'm sure there are some good names in there. We see Reed is here today. Yes. Yeah, I appreciate everyone being so nice to him. And he... You're wearing to represent his pick to win it all. Oh, Kentucky?

Yeah. Yeah, he likes Kentucky because they had Reed Shepard on the team last year. And that was a Reed, even though Reed Shepard's not on the team anymore. That's good. But Reed loves our studio. Like he is, when he found out he could come in today, it made his day. I was trying to do work earlier.

And I was at the house with him. And he's like, when are we going? When are we going? When are we going? I'm like, all right, we're just going to go now. Okay. And so, yeah, he's loving it in there. He said, and then he said, mom always wants me to come on the show when I'm there.

He said, but you guys do it for thousands of people. And I was like, yeah, that's the job, man. That's the gig. So you got to get used to it early. Jane picked Michigan because there's a girl in neighborhood who is named Imogen, and she thinks Michigan sounds like Imogen. It seems like that. Michigan over Mississippi State because one Mississippi.

And then Casey took Gonzaga because Gonzaga sounds like Dondazzo, the whale Pokemon. Oh, nice. I like that. Francis picked Florida as well separately. he is bit so alligators are one of his favorite animals and watching college football this year he's very big into like the gator chomp like people go like this so he picked Florida

he's picking into that and makes a good St. Johns nice we'll see how that goes she almost went to St. John she thought about going to St. John's here yeah she thought about going to St. John's coming in in listening back I haven't watched it back I listened yesterday's show on the way home do you do both

Sometimes I watch them. If I'm on the way home, I listen to it. If I'm doing something else in the way home, like if I'm on the phone, then I watch it when I get home. But I'll do one or the other. When you watch it back. Yes. Are you doing speed up? No.

So you spend an entire hour just rewatching the show every day? Hour. Yeah, actually. Emily can tell you she's like, she gets frustrated at me sometimes when I watch this because I always, I'll have like certain like I'll beat myself up over things that happen in the show yeah I mean I don't think that that is the best use of the time but hey

given everything else that you also want to do yeah but Brendan Quinn who I was saying is Brendan Quinn's point yesterday about like the coaches in college I thought it was a very good point yeah it's a great point because it is true like you name any of these teams in the tournament I'll tell you to coach but I can't tell you everyone starting five.

So. Yeah. I mean, highlight of yesterday's episode, for sure, was your reaction to, was it, Matt Rogers, is that his name? No, Matt Brady. Matt Brady. That was the highlight. Absolutely.

He was an assistant on the 2004 St. Joe's team. Of course. That's a big, that explains. That's a big deal in film. Remember him at Maris? Remember him at JMU? I did actually know he was at. high point though yeah flex that doesn't surprise me that's good you got you got all

kinds of Philly knowledge who give us your your top three I guess we've already talked about the Philly based project prospects in this year's draft but who are your three favorites in the NFL draft yeah um well obviously Abdul Carter number one then Zelle I'm sorry I'm some sorry Donovan as a Roku as a Rock as a Rock as a Rockoo good as a Rockoo number two and then who shall I go friend do yourself a favor and listen

watch back the Aziz O'Jolari press conference from yesterday morning because you know we only get one question Zach used his question to Aziz on this is going to come out a bit of left out of left field but is it true that you were born in Philadelphia your parents met in Philadelphia yeah your parents met in Philadelphia which is even yeah somehow even creepier

but his eyes laid out he enjoyed yeah you know you're four in this relationship. This is a good, you know, you did your homework. You're letting him know that you're the kind of guy that does your homework.

When it wasn't me showing my work. It was actually, you know, it's like as Brandon Graham said, when everyone else saw the player, you saw the person, right? It's seeing the person. Okay. But then probably Jahad Campbell.

I would probably go Campbell over as a Raku. Nice. But positional, if you think Campbell can be a chess piece type player and I'll defer to Fran on this, but I know there's a thought that maybe he could play the edge, right?

If that's the case, then I might value him over, over Donovan as a Raku. But if you're looking at it purely from, like, the positional value, and I disagree with Fran about as a Raku. I really liked his game. I mean, now granted,

I don't grind the film the way Fran does, and I might be colored by the fact that he had a huge game against Syracuse, and I saw that game. He had like three sacks against Syracuse. I'm sorry, he had three sacks against Syracuse. And so that affects my judgment. Three for three.

Nicely done. The more you say it, then it just rolls out. Yeah. All right, let's take a quick break. And then on the other side, we will get going with the proceedings. The 18, 19, 20, 21, 21, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25.

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interior offensive line, edge, defensive tackle, linebacker, corner, safety, and special teams. 12, 3, that means we each get 4. It's going to be a snake draft, and the points are doled out as follows. If a first round pick is used on your position, that's seven points. A second round pick, six points. A third round pick, five points and on and on, a one point for the seventh round. You get the gist.

Zach, you are the defending champion in Duck, Duck, Duck, Juice. You get to decide if you want the first, second, or third pick. And we're snaking it. We are snaking. So I want the third this year. You want the third this year. Fran, this is your first Duck, Duck, Juice draft. I know this is a big life.

event for you. I will step aside and let you decide if you want to go first or second. I will take the second. This is tough for me. I have had a tough run of luck in Duck, Duck Juice over the past few years. It's a good thing that even though this is the longest running game, it has sort of become the least

prestigious, but it's a nice foray into draft season anyway. I don't want to hear any complaining after Strip's Hooper. What's the most prestigious? I think the game when we pick the actual guys, which is, I believe, the All you know, draft.

Ah, okay. I think that is the most fun. Okay. It's the most, you know, and, you know, for all of the, you know, consternation about the Nolan Smith selection, you projected it, I had the first overall pick and I took Nolan Smith that year. Well done. And then I took Jalen Carter, so I got both of them.

You nailed it. You deserve credit for them. I'm right. I did. Thank you very much. Absolutely. Well, I've been banging this drum. Now, this is tough, though, because the tackle slash interiors.

your offensive line thing, makes us a little bit difficult. In order to adjudicate that, I think in the past we have said, like, where do they line up in the beginning? I have an idea for this. Where he ranks them? Is that? Yes. Oh, did I jump the gun there?

Is that what you were going to say? I was going to lean that way, but go ahead. Well, Fran has tackle guard and then guard center. So depending on Fran's classification. I think that is probably the right way to do it unless there is some. They say something. They say something. Like we're drafting him as a center.

Marcus Boe, for instance. Like we can allow the facts to present themselves. Like when they announce Van Sumer as a fullback, they're showing their hand. No, it would work out better if someone could end up with both and then we don't worry about it. But that's a story for a different day. I am going to go with tackle.

That was my first. And it may make me look silly. Certainly, as you guys will talk about, there are a lot of places that they could use a good player. And maybe there are places where the strength of this draft would make more sense. for them to use those selections early on. But I am convinced that they are going to try to draft

at least two offensive linemen in this draft for some of the reasons we've talked about all of the young guys on rookie contracts who are really good or on defense. They got to flip that at some point and you just think about the offensive lineman. I mean, Lane is old. Even Jordan Mila by the time that these rookies

are coming up on contracts is going to be a little bit older. Same for Landon Dickerson. Same for Cam Juergens. So I'm going to go tackle number one overall. That's a great pick. That's where I would have gone. And I probably should have picked the number one pick, too, for the reason that you said. Because as you said it, they could double dip a tackle this year.

And one of the reasons they could double dip is last year they didn't take a tackle. They took a guard and they took a center. And it's a position where they lack depth, especially if they view Daring Kinnard as a tackle. But like he can flex. I think that it's not out of, it's not a question they, they doubled it at that position. And you just think about like their draft history.

The last three years, they've gone defense, you know, two years ago or three years ago, defense offense defense, 2023, defense defense, and then last year, defense, defense, defense. So at some point, they do need to sort of flip that. And just to kind of build on that,

if we view Tyler Steen as a guard, okay? The last time they took a tackle in the draft was Prince Tago Winogo. Interesting. Yeah. I mean, because if you think in 2021, they took Landon Dickerson as their only offensive lineman. Yeah. 2022 was Cam Jergens. 2023 was Tyler Stee.

I'm sorry, 2024 was Tyler Steen. Then last year they took Keegan and McMahon. So they haven't addressed offensive tackle in the draft. And certainly not with a premium pick for a long time. So that you're your wave on. You're absolutely right. And that's the number one pick. But obviously, it doesn't always work out that way.

Sure. What you want, you can't force it. You don't want to waste a pick because you really want to tackle. But you're dropping down a tier when there are players who you have graded higher. You hope that it fits, but it doesn't always do that. But that's why, and this helps you. And this is to Fran's point also, if they were bringing in like first round offensive tackles, you're missing on.

Like last year, they were bringing in first round offensive tackles, and those guys didn't fall, right? This year, if you're bringing in day two offensive tackles, chances are... Yeah, like they're committed at two at some point drafting somebody, right? So, yeah, there does seem to be a bit of a low floor here.

I may not be the first pick, but at some point, I would imagine they address it. All right, Fran, you get the next pick. So a long time ago, a wise man once told me, it's a numbers game. It's a numbers game. And when you look at the outside linebacker position, the Eagles lose Josh Sweat.

The Eagles lost Brandon Graham. Coming up, you've got Aziz Ojalari expiring contract. Josh Ushay, an expiring contract. Who knows what's going on with Bryce Huff. I'm going to take outside linebacker, the edge rush position here with my first pick. Went back and forth with a couple different spots. Tackle was certainly up there.

But I think for me, outside linebackers an area where even with the additions of Ojolari and with O'Shea, I think that's an area where they still need to address. Agreed. It is also, it does seem to be the spot where if they stay at 32 or move back a few spots, the strength of this draft, there are a lot of guys where that would seem to be

like a potential best player available there. Yes, I think that, and there were a couple spots that I felt the same way about that I nearly went with, but I feel like the edge has got the best combination of both. I do want to take this opportunity to say, Somebody mentioned this in the comments and they were absolutely right. Edge should not be all caps.

It is not an acronym for anything. You're right. The E, you capitalize the E in Edge. And then everything else is lowercase. It's not, it's not Edge. It's not every damn gopher exists. You know? It's a word.

Did you come up that on the spot? Yeah. Well done. It's pretty good. Yeah. Go ahead. What were you going to say? I was going to say,

Edge reminds me last year of offensive tackle. And what I mean by that is, is they're really good edge rushers. But when you get to like the late second, third round, I don't think it's as appealing. Interesting. So I think that Fran has a really good chance of hitting this. I think there's going to be a chance for them to get a good edge rusher

in the first round, even in a trade back situation. But I think they're less likely to find an edge rusher later in the draft that really excites you. Now, J.O.X. Hunt was a great find last year. You can always find guys like that. But I think like this and I'll defer to Fran. I keep saying that. But there's like a group of like eight to 10 edge rushers this year who might all be top 60 picks or top 50 picks.

Yeah. And it's one of those things. You and I were talking about as you were trying to pick who was going to be in the mock draft. Some of those guys are going to fall, right? Like I said, they're not all going to go high. So it's going to be interesting to see how that pecking order ultimately plays out. We'll use that logic last year for offensive tackle. Yeah.

And there's just that big run. And I think to your point. It's like it makes sense early for them, but it's not like if they don't find someone in the first two or three rounds, they don't have to take an edge. I mean, they have draft proof the roster a little bit. You can't count on Aziz O'Jolari or Josh Uche or even Bryce Huff contributing this year. But between them, you can cross your fingers and hope. And it's also a spot where probably in the summer or even in a Mackay-Bectin situation, if you don't come out with what you wanted there, there's probably going to be somebody available from a veteran standpoint who you can add to the roster. Speaking of that, Vince would appreciate me asking you this.

And you brought this up on the show earlier in the week, or maybe it was last week, Trayvon Walker, who's, there's some whispers that he could be available. Do you think that's still something the Eagles would be interested in? Or do you think given that the cap it he would take on? It's a little too expensive at this point. Yeah, I mean, probably, right? Especially after the Ovalari signing. My guess is probably not on the table, but.

I mean, yeah, like of any. Anybody they could add, obviously, you connect all the dots. It would make a lot of sense. But I don't know how they would make that work in just in terms of all the other room that they want to create. Right. Yeah, he would count $11.8 million or $11.9 million against the cap next year. Because you take on the full salary. This year or next year?

This year. This year. Yeah. Right. And so. Yeah, that gives you no wiggle room. Yeah. Although, well, no, his guaranteed salary is $5.8 million.

So then would the Jags take the bonus? So they would only, so it'd be $5.8 against the cap? All right, that's a little more doable. Would you? I thought it's, well, yeah, because I was thinking about Kyle Pitts, who you're taking on the whole fifth year option, right? This year, you're only taking on the guaranteed salary. So 5.8 changes things.

That's interesting. He's still young? You don't have to look at it. I would personally love that because I love Trayvon Walker. Okay. Good to know. All right, Zach, you're up. I'm going to go defensive tackle. So this has gone one, two, three for me so far.

Defense tackle is my third. And it's a good detackle draft class. I understand the Eagles don't necessarily need a detackle right now. I mean, I think they can play with their depth chart as it is. They got three guys who they can play with, but they lost Milton Williams. Jordan Davis, we don't know if they're going to pick up his fifth-year option. I think that this is, I, I,

I think that's a value position, and then it's an organizational priority. And there's some really good ones available. And it could be in that range that the Eagles are looking at. So I think first round or second round, this could hit. Yeah, that's another position I thought of because there's a bunch of players that I feel like could be best player available when the Eagles are on the board. Walter Nolan is one I bought up there earlier on the show earlier this week. To me, he's a guy that would very much excite me at 32 in it,

depending on which mock drafts you read, he's available in that spot. Yeah, it's also, I mean, you can't really go wrong, just picking a line of scrimmage player for the Eagles, right? Like, because even if it's, even if there's not a guy that they like in rounds one or two, they're always going to take an upside swing on a guy like Morrowajamba if he's available on day three. Yeah. Yeah.

And so do you think Nose is a spot they need to look at? Or do you like if... It's a good question. A day on Walker or, I don't want to say, Kenneth Grant because he's a first round pick, but maybe, what, Yaya Black? There's some, there's some, Y, A, Y, A, Black. Yeah. Not Yaya. Not Yaya. I know. I actually, Yaya will be more fun. Yeah. Maybe we'll tell him that. Tell us that. I actually don't want to tell him. He's got long arms. He can mess with me. No, but it's a good, I mean, it's a great

defensive tackle class. So my guess is at some point they're going to, they're going to be dabbling in those waters. But it's a good question to wonder if you think they need to back, if we think they feel that they need to back Phil Jordan Davis in possible preparation for losing him. Potentially. I think that, I mean, they like what they've got from Thomas Booker this year in that role. He is not that big though. No, he's not. He's a different kind of player from a body type standpoint. I honestly just think it would be more along the mold of Milton Williams, Morrow, Jama. I think that that's the type of player,

I think that they'd probably want to add more so. All right, Zach, you, we're back on the clock. We're going to have a fun Dion Walker conversation in April. Debatable. You'd be surprised as a guy I really like. He was awesome two years ago in college. Awesome. A little down here this year.

Who is he for the... Dionne Walker is a mammoth of a man, incredible athlete. Like two years ago, he's from Kentucky. He's, what, 6-7, 340? something like that. And he was playing off ball at times two years ago, like dropping in the coverage. That's what you're drafting him for.

That shows you his movement skills. Yeah. Three-year player, he's like 21 years old, and he's from the Jordan Davis. Like there aren't people in the world like this. And so I'm shocked that you see him in like third round, fourth round range now. And if you look at the two early mock drafts going into the season, he was like a clear top 20 pick. You are back on the clock.

Back on the clock. I don't love this pick here, and I wanted three for this reason, but then as we talked about kind of duplicating or double-dipping, this is a spot where they won't double-dip, but it's a spot where I do think they address, and that's tight end. I'm going tight-end four here. I think you're getting a nice floor here. You're going to hit this somewhere.

Exactly. They haven't taken a tight end since Grand Calcutera. He's the only tight end that they've taken since Dallas Goddard. This is a spot where they really need to think about the future. I know they signed Harrison, Brian, and I'm sorry, Colin Grayson, or Granson rather to one-year deals. I don't think either one's kind of guaranteed to be part of the team. And there's some intriguing, this is considered a good tight end draft class,

especially day two. So I like the odds of them taking a tight end at some point. Yeah, I think it would be a pretty significant surprise. assuming they don't trade for Kyle Pitts or whoever, that given everything we've heard about this tight end draft class and given the state of their roster if they didn't draft a tight end. Yes.

Yeah. Somewhere. Yeah. This was, I mean, to me there was a clear four. There was a clear tier of four in this draft. So you picking three,

the third pick made sense because you get two of the four. I was really hoping you'd go somewhere else to get tight end and fall to me. Yeah. I think it makes a lot of sense because, again, it's Dallas Goddard contract year, but all the backups are all. on one year left.

So it makes sense. You only care about offense. All right. Go ahead to Fran. Man, this is where it gets interesting. I'm going back and forth here. I think I'm going to go. Still available.

Quarterback, running back, wide receiver, interior offensive line, linebacker, cornerback, safety, special teams. I'm going to go with offball linebacker. Interesting. I think with, look, you lost a couple of, You lose Warren Berks. I know they, obviously, they go out and, you know, you bring back Zach Bond.

Bansumering got announced as a fullback. So I don't know you're counting him necessarily for that picture. After that, it's Trotter and it's Dallas Gant. You know, there's still a few weeks left to add to that position still. But for me, this is a floor pick. I don't know that this is going to be a day two option, but I'm going to go with linebacker here. I think you're right. I think I would also be surprised if they don't add a day three linebacker.

given all those picks, just to fill out the roster, somebody to compete, assuming they're not going to add. Now, this is also, I wouldn't be surprised if they also add a Zach Cunningham type in the summer like they did a couple years ago just to add some competency there. But yeah, I think linebacker is a solid floor. Go ahead, Zach. Agree with everything that was said.

And it's a spot where they've lost players, or they lost a player. And they haven't added yet. They were down in the Super Bowl to Nicholas Morrow, right? So they're definitely, they definitely need bodies at the position. There you go. Does Devin like a Super Bowl ring? Yes.

He does, right? Yes, absolutely. We're making sure. Yeah, I was actually, I remember seeing Bowen Shield at the Super Bowl ring ceremony a few years ago. And we walked by Randall Goforth. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

And it's like, wow, Randall Goforth getting the ring. Everybody gets a ring. Everybody gets a ring. Yeah. I think if you were, if you were on the practice squad once the regular season started, or the active roster for one week, you get a ring. At least that's how it has worked in the past. No.

Okay. All right. Well, I will take this opportunity just to clear things up so that we don't have the discrepancy along the offensive line. I will take the interior offensive line. I don't think, I do think there's a possibility where in this draft, as we like to say in the PHOI Eagles draft show, that, you know, because the draft itself is not so strong, it's possible. a guy like Trevor Booker at 32 Tyler Burker I'm sorry yep they're like okay let's just take the plug and play guard I don't I don't know that that is the best use of their resources or if what that's what they

want to do but I could see that happening and so I think there's a little bit of early upside and then it's also just if they've got enough picks on day three and there's an offensive line and they're like they're going to you know they're going to give stop the shot they didn't get anything out of Dylan McMahon last year and honestly I don't know that you showed too much from you know from Trevor Keegan either. So I think that they absolutely could choose to add some depth pieces there. Booker's intriguing, man. 20 years old, like, versatile.

He probably knows pizza. He's from New Haven. Nice. I've heard great. He's a big, he's a big heavy guy, so he probably does know pizza too. You know what? When everyone else sees the player, I see the person. You see the pizza. That's it.

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But between running back wide receiver corner and safety, I could convince myself either way. I think safety, certainly, you could think if they're going to pick somebody at 32, maybe that would make a lot of sense, right? You get a clear cut, C.J. Garner Johnson replacement. Sidney Brown can keep being the number three. If Malachi Stark falls, maybe they sign up for that.

Corner, I don't think they're going to draft a first round corner, given what they did last year, but they need some bodies there. I don't think of Dory Jackson is anybody. idea of a great number four necessarily for the long term. Running back, we hear this is a great running back draft. I mean, they got Seque Juan.

They drafted Will Shipley last year higher than they've ever drafted a running back under Harvey Roseman. I've heard that before. Not under Howie Roseman, since Miles Sanders. I understand. Yes. Which is a fact.

That's a fact. That's a different fact. That is a true fact. And then wide receiver, I don't know. I could see them drafting a wide receiver early. like John Dotson's final year of his rookie deal It's not like Johnny Wilson

Before other people I don't know that they don't think that they would love to do that But I don't think they're scared of it And I think we sort of agree We were talking before the show We think the Eagles are going to sort of turn the knob up On the passing rate this year As opposed to the running game

Maybe that's a possibility Now there are more wide receivers Drafted than safeties Just by the numbers More of a likelihood on day three but this is tough. I'm going to go I'm going to go wide receiver

over safety. Wow. I just think I'm more likely to get a day three wide receiver than a day. I think if they don't draft a safety early, maybe they don't need to draft a safety. Whereas I think just numbers game

they're going to draft a wide receiver at some point. I already semi regret it. You're a shot right across not Aaron Smith Anaya Smith Yeah Aaron Smith is from Georgia this year Naya Smith's

I think they would like to draft over ania Smith Yeah That was a knowing That was a knowing glance I feel like Oh no no no I think they like A Nia Smith more than we do I mean they I mean very clearly they like it more than right

Yeah I don't think an early wide receiver Is as likely as as we discussed off fare I think it's a fun potential pick, but I think they have internal hope, I should say, that Dotson is a contributor this year. But Dotson's entering a contract year. And, yeah, I mean, if there's a good player, I think the Eagles realize that that's a position where I keep adding, keep adding,

because players get old quickly, players move on. You know why receivers can be trade chips too. And they took two last year. And I don't know if either one's guaranteed to be on the roster. They don't have much depth at that spot. So I can see them adding a receiver. I just don't think this is one that be. Yeah, there's not as much upside here.

Whereas I think safety you could get a seven-pointer. So I regret it already. Go ahead, Fran. All right. So for my next pick, going between two spots. I don't want to say the two spots. It's coming right back to me. I think we're going to go safety.

I'm going to go safety. You know, obviously you lose CJ Gardner Johnson. Avanti Maddox still on the open market. James Radbury, they've moved on there. But you still have Reed Blanketship, also going into a contract year as well. So I think at safety, and that is a position too where it's a pretty good safety class.

So I could see them dabbling into those, you know, fishing in that water a little bit earlier than we think. So I'm going to go safety there for my third pick. I was reading this morning the Athletics Beat Writer Mock draft, which I enjoy because we always did that. It was a fun exercise. And in that draft, Brooks Kabina was trading up for Malachi Starks. But I'm not asking you about trading up for Starks, but Starks is a name that, you know, Jeremiah, Daniel Jeremiah had him in the mock, the first mock a few weeks ago. Do you think Malachi Starks, who's like, in my opinion, just an awesome player, if you look at recruiting rankings three years ago, it was,

Travis Hunter, Walter Nolan, Malachi Starks, you know, is like the top guys in the country. Do you think that's a first round possibility? Yeah, I mean, you know, it's funny. You mentioned Daniel Jeremiah had Starks falling to the Eagles of 32 a couple weeks ago or recently in a mock draft. He has made the comparison Jade Barron to Brian Branch and said like, oh, the NFL's not going to make the same mistake again where Jade Barron is going to fall out of the first round because they think he's a nickel only. They did it with Cooper DeGene last year. They did it with Branch the year before. They're not going to do it again.

Starks is that guy to me. Starks is the guy that, like, much like Branch, where, you know, everyone knows great player, but, oh, he's a little bit undersized and he's not like this great athlete, and then he falls to the second round. That's Starks to me. Starks is a top 15 player for me, a top 10 player for me, whatever he is on that board. He's an awesome player. Starks is one of the guys who, like, I don't think he's going to miss, you know?

Like, I think he's going to be a starter in the NFL. I can't tell you, if you spend a first round pick on him, he's going to be top of the league and if you're taking a safety in the first round you expect the guy to be top of the league but i don't think malachi starks is going to bust unless he gets injured there you go all right zach you get the turn yeah so then i'm going to go corner and running back here um and i'm not for uh for posterity's sake which one are you taking first uh okay let's go corner than running back uh just because you need more corners on your roster than you need running backs they they like ely like I mean, they kept them on the roster for two years, but I think Eli Ricks does need to show them something this summer to stay there.

Adori Jackson, I've read, you know, our colleagues on the beat talking about like Adori's a fail safe to start. I don't think Adore is even a candidate to start, in my opinion. I could be wrong there. He wasn't very good last year with the Giants. I think he's trying to make the team from my perspective. I could be wrong. I agree. But obviously, they like Healy Ringo, we discussed that.

They have Quina, Mitchell and Cooper DeGine, but this is a spot where they need, you're always looking for capable corners, and so I can just see them adding one in day three. Absolutely. I mean, it's also, you know, just numbers-wise, like more corners get drafted than any other position, right? So absolutely reasonable that they would take a day three shot.

Corner was on my radar for my last two picks. Okay. I was down the corner in safety with the last one, but I thought about corner, even my last go-around. I was hoping you were going corner because I wanted safety there. I can't believe I took one receiver overseas. I had a bad job. So I will go running back here.

I was just kind of banging the offense drum. Sorry, go ahead. No problem. Yeah, I mean, AJ Dillon, I think he has a decent chance to make the team. But I'm not sold on AJ Dillon making the team. I know Will Shippley's going to be on the team. Obviously, Sequin Barkley. I don't know who that third running back is going to be.

It could come. Lou Nichols, Ty Davis Price is back. but they could go. Yeah, you mentioned this is a good running back draft class. It is. There's some guys that I really like later in the draft. Do you like? I like Rahim Sanders, Rocket Sanders,

because, again, he's someone who two years ago or three years ago, three years. I know you're not drafting guy for three years ago. Three years ago, he was the best running back in the SEC, in my opinion. He was incredible at Arkansas. playing against every top defense, he was dominating. And you watched Rahim Sanders three years ago, and you were like, this guy is awesome, incredible.

The year after that, at Arkansas, injury problems, okay? Transfers last year to South Carolina, still kind of recovering from the injury. And he was productive, but he wasn't what he was early in his career as like a true sophomore. I think, and he ran well at the combine for his size. Sanders intrigues me as like a day three guy, just because I,

I mean, I've seen it on the field. Like, he is electric. I knew you're going to bring him up because he was the one player at our dinner that we had in the combine that you brought up to the group.

Bang the table. Yeah. What do the group say? Um, yeah, like they all liked him. No, it wasn't bad.

No, it was. They were like, he was so good a few years ago. Right. It was just, look, it's a crowded running back.

Yeah. So I'd say it's tough to, it's tough to, uh, I'm talking about Diamond and the rough guys. Yeah, yeah, You have to check around pick.

Right. Although, although my take is, and this isn't one that's controversial, I like Hampton from North Carolina more than I like Jemty. Interesting. Why?

I just think he's so versatile and he's a little bigger. He is bigger. And he's, but he catches the ball real well. And yeah, I thought he was electric whenever he got the ball.

Watch Genties past game stuff from last year. Okay. That's the past game stuff you want. Like that. Okay. There you go. I like that.

that. All right, friend. That's someone who's been grinding film. Yeah. Quarterback. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually a really good class

for backup quarterbacks. Okay. I think it's a, you know, from top to bottom. Yeah, right. No,

I think if, you know, there are a bunch of guys in this class that I would say, okay, yeah, like I can buy into this player as a, as a back,

we talked about a little bit on the draft show earlier, but, you know, Tyler Shuck, I think there's a, there's a ceiling as a, as a decent starter, but I think that a high floor

as a quality backup. But then I, look at some of these other guys. Riley Leonard, I feel really good about him being a backup quarterback. Will Howard, Dylan Gabriel, you start getting as Kyle McCord, all these guys I feel really good about going into the league sticking as a backup quarterback. And then you have the other guys that are kind of the crapshoot players. So Jalen Milrow, Quinn Ewers, Jackson Dart, like you feel good about the, oh, maybe they're starting upside there, but they could also stick as backups too. I think it's a good group for backup quarterback. Man, couldn't you see like if he, if nobody takes

the bait early, like a third round pick on Jalen Millrow? Yeah, I could. Right? I could see it. Why not? Keep the factory going. Quarterback factory. I'll be a bigger fan of that now.

Well, the good news for me with specialists is that now, long snapper is a possibility, right? You know, Zach has told us that Britain man's going to be here for another 15 years. We'll see about Jake Elliott. But now I get long snapper. And so, you know, a seventh round pick on a long snapper. That's one point that I get now. So very exciting. Cam, what's his name?

The new guy? Not Cameron Malvo. That's a different player. Charlie, right? Charlie Hewlett. Yeah. Not Hugh Charlie Litt. No.

Yeah, he's over 30. So you already got to replace him. So there you go. Long snapper for me. Let's recap it. Zach's roster. Defensive tackle, tight end,

cornerback, running back. Nicely done. Fran, edge, linebacker, safety, quarterback, bow, tackle, interior offensive line, wide receiver for some reason, special teams,

looks like it's going to be about eight years running that I haven't won, duck, duck juice. That's not sure. I won the first one. I don't remember how many have won, period. But tough to be Jimmy Kemsky's record, Fran.

He's one for one. As he responded on social media. That's how I saw. He's welcome to come on the show. Anytime. Anytime invite. Friend, anything from watching or listening to the show the last few days that you feel

compelled to comment on? I feel like we've talked off air about most of the things. I enjoyed Zach, you apologizing for not watching enough college basketball before giving your takes yesterday. Well, I felt so bad last year when I said Kentucky

and it lost in the first round. Like it was Emily says, what's keeping you up at night? Like last year that kept me up at night. Why? That cut me up at night. You're not touting yourself as a college basketball expert. If I'm going to say something, I should have a degree of, I shouldn't speak without education. But there's, there are all kinds of results that are unexpected. I know. You're not like, you're not, you're not pounding the table,

say putting your, put your mortgage on the line, you know, call 1-800 ZB's picks. I know, and I'm giving you Kentucky. Like, still. You guys have, you guys have, you guys also have your fantasy baseball, I have my, it's a dynasty startup draft Saturday night for baseball. So I'm excited for that. Dynasty starts. So there's a one, the ones in a lifetime. Well, so. Oh, here's the thing. We actually talked about this. It's a whole thing. It's a whole thing.

The audience doesn't know, though. Yeah. We can't keep saying. I know. That's why I'm letting him say it. So basically it was a league last year that initially was going to be a dynasty league, but then a couple weeks before it got changed into, it got changed. Oh, no, it's just going to be a one-year league.

So, okay, fine. And then it was like halfway through the season. It was like, oh, let's make it a dynasty league. And we'll keep players from this year. Whole thing. Don't like that. Didn't like that part of it. But we're keeping seven guys.

So I've gotten down. I feel good about what my list is going to be so far, about who I'm keeping. I feel like I've got a decent team to start things off with. But I was taking notes because you guys are rattling off your minor leaguers. We have the minor league draft at the end. So we're going to do our regular draft and then minor league. But I've got Witt is my first round pick from last year.

The next favorite. So I got Bobby Witt, Bryce Harper. I've got Corbyn Burns, Yamamoto. I got Josh Naylor, Chorio in the 13th round, Riley Green in the 17th round. So I feel good about some of these guys, but I got to whittle down some. Christian Yelich.

I've got Mike Trout. I got to make some calls. If you asked Reed, who my favorite player to watch in baseball is, he will tell you Bobby Witt. Yeah, Bobby Witt and Jackson Choree. That's why we're wearing the Royal Blue. Yeah, him and Jackson Choreo are my two favorites.

And then, I mean, there's other guys, too, but those two guys. Shout out to the other guys. What else is going on in the chat? Anything notable, Julia? Any super chats today? No one's

no one's contributed. Oh, gosh. So much for that, so much for that, read is for read today. Well, it's free. I know. I've been doing this all day today

where I was like, I'll get your readers. If you let me write this morning, I'll get your readers tonight. Yeah. Yeah, free readies day is the perfect day to pull that out. There you go.

Beautiful. Don't make that drop, please. We don't have drops, Zach. I mean, we do need to make drops now and just for the time. But,

all right, good stuff. Tomorrow's show, I think the professor is going to join us. They're going to be a remote show tomorrow. He's got some thoughts on the

rule changes that he just needs to get off his chest, the proposed rule changes. And we'll just keep the conversation going. Love it. I don't know that we're going to have much overtime,

but if there was going to be over time. You can check it on all PHOI.com. I saw on the schedule for the coming weeks we're going to be doing position previews

for the draft coming up. That'll be fun. Yeah. Those are fun shows. Every day. That'll be fun. We need to have our tight end expert back.

Shout out to Matt Quinn. He was already texting me about Oh yeah. He's got Grand Cockatera thoughts. You think what if they really like Grand Cogatara? What if that's part of the deal? The offense worked fine with Grand Cogatara.

By the way, what a flex that is? That's a flex that is. Yeah, tight end thoughts. That's awesome. He's a tight end expert. He is. He is. He's all over it.

He is. Maybe we're all underselling the Eagles' faith in Grant Calcutera. It's a good take. I've been listening to Mount Joy as some writing music recently. Really? Yeah. Good for you. I so appreciate that.

The new stuff? We've got three singles off the new album so far. It's whatever Spotify's playing on the mix. Got it. Yeah. Okay. How about you? What do you listen to?

Actually, I know the answer to this. I know the answer. I know the answer. So when I'm studying film, I, if I'm not listening to a podcast, it depends on the time of year. Sometimes I'm listening to podcast, but if I'm listening to music, I listen to movie soundtracks. Okay.

There was a, you know, like this. There was a study I read about where it's like you are more productive when you are listening to music that's non-liarical. Yes, I, that's, I, yeah, go on. Yeah, it's basically like, as if Zach hasn't heard that. Have you, you know, you're thinking about the lyrics. and then your mind starts to wander. So yeah, so I've always enjoyed

listening to like musical score or movie scores. So yeah, I've got a playlist on Spotify that is like hours and hours and hours of movie soundtracks. Yeah, typically when I write, I listen to jazz. Because I read something that jazz makes you write better or think better.

So I typically listen to jazz. I've tried it out of allegiance to Mount Joy mixing some mountain joy in. But for the reason you mentioned, like I can't listen. Some enterprising sicko needs to write something with advice like that that's just totally made up and see if I follow it. Yeah, look, it's true. It's like you if you read something and you're like, oh, this

must be true. It's on the internet, right? But that's a direct one to one to how we are and where we are right now. I listen to podcasts and when I drive and when I walk. But then I, yeah, I'll listen to non-lirical stuff when I'm writing typically. Yeah, it's, I've been doing it. That Spotify playlist is like 10 years old at this point. I'm getting a lot of questions in the chat, like in terms of like favorite movie composer. So Ramin Jawadi right now is to me like one of the best there is.

Worked under Hans Zimmer for a long time. Yeah. Game of Thrones, Westworld. He's done a couple other big projects. So I would say Ramin Jowadi, one of my favorites. Game of Thrones and Howard Shore, or I'm sorry, Lord of the Rings and Howard Shore. Howard Shore's soundtrack

from those three movies, just Julia, can agree, nodding in approval. Just beautiful. Yeah, there we go. Julia, in the chat. Howard Shore. Yeah, I would say,

I would say Rameen Jawadi is my favorite right now. Speaking of Spotify, though, let's pick up the Spotify comments. Let's pick up the Apple reviews. These have been a little dormant recently. Let's pick up the YouTube. No, you don't need that in your life. No, but let's pick up the YouTube comments.

Yeah, pick up the YouTube comments. Yeah, let's, let's add more. Yeah, let's get that number up for each show. Make sure you're subscribing. Make sure you're subscribing and tell your friends to subscribe. Friend, you also had a big pep on your step when you found out that tonight is the severance finale. I've just lost track of like days.

I thought for some reason I thought like today was Wednesday, tomorrow's Thursday. So the severance finale was tomorrow. But the severance finale is actually tonight. It's going to be a 76 minute episode. I'm very, very excited for... You didn't get some tension. there's a message there, 76? Could be.

I wouldn't rule it out. But yeah, I'm excited about what that'll bring. TN said that he loves the succession. That's why I almost said, the session instead of severance. The thing is, I feel like it's over the score. Very similar. Way too repetitive.

Yeah. There are some where I'll, I just heard this one. I'm deleting it because it's the same song like 38 different times. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah. Severance reminds me,

Rachel has a recent take that I act The more I think about it I think I kind of agree I don't need a second second season of a TV show anymore Really? Yeah, in and out You've told your story Tell me the story

I don't need it anymore I haven't I'm not all the way there But the more I think about it I am kind of there Like why? Because you work all Now there are There are some differences

You know you always hear about like a comedy where like it sort of takes till season two for like the writers to really understand the characters and stuff like that. But for these like epic shows, I don't know. Just tell me your story. Get in and get out.

Like some of my favorite shows of the past few years are just one-offs. Like the miniseries types. Like Station 11 was fantastic. Probably my favorite in the past five years or so. Severance, I love the first season and I just haven't been able to work myself up to even start season two.

Is it because it's, been three years. That's certainly part of it. That is a recent thing that has started. There were multiple reasons for this and across all TV. I think it's going to have negative outcomes for things like this.

I saw Ben Stiller said he's not going to let three years go by for the next one. I hope not. Well, to Bo's point though, I like multi-season shows, but the thing is, is if you're late getting on, it is intimidating to start. Like, there are certain shows I haven't watched, and it's like six season seven and I'm like I can't catch up to that right so am I going to start and it's going to

take me so long to catch up but see like there's a lot of it is like okay like you know you got your best stuff and then all of a sudden it's like okay well how many seasons are we going to make like we got just got to extend the story where we're not really telling the story itself it's just every episode is just sort of extending things to get to the next thing it's very difficult that's bad but that to me like that is that's just bad storytelling by the that might be impacted whether that's the writers or the production company or the network, whatever it is, you know,

to me, like there are so many times where I'm watching something, I'm like, man, like this would have just been better if this was just a two-hour movie as opposed to a show. Or this would have been better as a, an eight-episode show as opposed to a two-hour movie.

Like, they could have stretched this out. They could have made this make a little bit more sense. I have felt that a lot over the last few years, but, yeah. What's a show that you guys watched that when it got to multiple seasons, you just quit. Westworld. Okay. Westworld comes up.

Westworld is another perfect example. Great one season done. Season one was A plus. Like one of the best seasons of TV that I've watched. Season two started to jump the shark and then season three completely lost me. I watched it, but it wasn't good.

Yeah, I used to be a completionist. I would feel like I owed it to finish the story, but I don't feel that way anymore. Mine's homeland. I was so... That's another one. I love that. That first season of Homeland, I agree.

I remember, and this was pre-bing, right? Yeah. Like, that's Sunday night that that finale, I couldn't wait for that finale. I was so eager to find out what happened. And then I watched season two, and it just lost me thereafter. So to your point, you're invested in it, but.

You're like, I finally finished Shogun, which I liked a lot. I've heard it's good. Which I liked a lot. It took me a while to get through it, but I liked a lot. But I don't need a second season of that. The story's already been told.

I don't. I don't need that again. See, there are, there are parts of, you know, like it's like when they did the Breaking Bad movie,

like after, you know, like, there are times where I go back and I'm like, oh, it's like, it's so nice to be back in this world again.

Yeah, I get that. There is that, but it's got to be with purpose. Like, there's got to be like a reason for it. Right. And not just continuing it to,

you know, get through this season and then another season. You know, like, now White Lotus, you would think it would be different because,

you know, a different story, anthology. Right. The anthology is fun. Fargo would be like that too. Yeah, right. Yep. But even White Lotus, I'm enjoying this season, but it is a little bit, okay, we've sort of seen,

we've sort of seen this before. Yeah. I don't know. Well, I disagree with you on White Lotus because. Yeah, I'm not, I think White Lotus is a little bit different. Because it's different characters, yeah. So. Yeah.

I like that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's different. What? He's trying hard not to say that. He just said that.

I know. I know. No, you just said that. He agrees with you. I love prestige TV. I love the multiples of it. But I just like it when it's really good. They're well done.

Sure. Yeah. Okay. To rule it all out, it would be wrong. No, it's not a blanket thing, but the more I think about it, like I,

like what is a prestige show that has been better than season one? Oh, I mean. Succession is actually a pretty good case. I feel like maybe like season two of Succession was better than, than season one. Breaking Bad.

Yeah. Really? You're not a breaking bad guy? I'm actually not a huge Breaking Bad guy. Interesting. That's one where I watched the first season, that was it for me. Breaking Bad was the show that you had to, it's like people were like,

you're not going to love it at the beginning, but you just have to stick with it. That's how I felt. Here was my problem with Breaking Bad was, it was like, every episode was like, oh boy, how's Walter White going to wiggle his way out of this, Jan? This is a tough one. And then by the end of the episode,

he does it again. What do you know? Like, that's okay. Breaking Bad was one where it got better. I'm trying to think here. Mad Men would be up there. I saw one. There was one in the chat there that, oh, I do enjoy slow horses.

But that's it. They're like six episodes. It's in and out. It's a little bit. Ozark, a good one. Ozark fell off. I mean, look. I mean, it wasn't as good at the end.

Yeah, at the very, very end, but I thought season two was good. I think the wire fits that category. Yeah. Like the wire, you have to stick with it. You got to get through season two was the big one. Yeah. That's the one you've got to get through the docks.

Okay, it's supremac is good. But now we're, but this is this a different era. Yeah. Okay. And still no super chats? Poor Zach. Not getting that. Now we know it's going to be keeping him up tonight.

No, there's other stuff keeping me up at night. But not this. All right. Well, we'll do better tomorrow and get more super chats. I, you know what, Fran, I applaud you for not totally shaming Zach today. because he's got his little tiny water bottle here. And we know that if you brought your big boy out, you know, he'd feel terrible.

I've actually switched up my strategy on the water bottle. Really? Yeah. There was a good comments in the show earlier when we had some streaming issues on the PHA by Draft show. Somebody said the reason it's taken so long is France filling up his water bottle.

That's good. I didn't see that. No, I switched from a ginormous tank to like a normal large water bottle to drink one of those in the morning. and then another one as opposed to like, all right, just one of these in a day. I feel like I was coming short of that by that time I got to the afternoon. How many ounces are you shooting for a day?

Honestly, it's just all feel. I don't know. It's an art. It's not science. Watch the tape. You're supposed to do half your body weight in ounces. That's the old. Says who?

You read it somewhere. If I need to do half my body weight ounces, then I am way sure of that. No way. You're supposed to have half your body weight ounces. Supposed to, according to who? For what? I think I read it in a men's health or something like that. It must be true.

All right. Good stuff. All kinds of good conversation on this episode. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.N.Y. Eagles podcast. We'll be back tomorrow. And that's all we got. Enjoy the March Madness for Julia, Fran, Zach. I'm Bo.

We will talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you. All silly like the mayor