PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles 7-Round Mock Draft: Fran Duffy, Zach Berman share predictions for how Howie Roseman will navigate NFL Draft

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

After months of discussion, the NFL Draft is one day away. The Eagles have 8 draft picks. Will Ole Miss’ Walter Nolen fall to them? Will they land Texas A&M’s Nic Scourton? How will the Eagles spend 4 5th-round pick? ALLCITY NFL Draft expert Fran Duffy and PHLY’s Zach Berman discuss and debate Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We are one day away from the NFL draft. This is the P. H.L.I. Eagle Show presented by True Mark Financial Credit Union. I'm Zach Berman. I am here with the All-City NFL draft expert, Fran Duffy, who can give you so much information but can't add four hours to the day. So he is jam-packed every single day. The busiest man at the company, Fran, instead of asking you how you are, because we don't need to go down that rabbit hole. I'm going to ask you, who is the last player you watched? I haven't watched a new player since yesterday.

So it's still Justin Wally. It's been more information gathering and writing my final big board is just about done. I'm finishing up formatting on that. So that should be up on all p.hly.com, become a diehard. As always, take advantage of the sale. I will say, we sit on the show yesterday that Dallas, the DLLS crew, they were right on our tails. And they have overtaken PHLY as the leader during the sale for new diehard. So if you are watching us right now, just know if you have decided that you're not going to become a diehard to take advantage of the sale, Philly is losing the Dallas because of you.

So if you want to change that, you've got some time here over the next couple days or so. Yeah, I never use this term because of my objectivity, but I will use it now, beat Dallas, right? So let's beat Dallas here. And this here, it's a good illustration to kind of the dual part. of Fran Duffy's life because he is, he's a preeminent draft analyst across the network. But there's a big segment of fans in Philly who know Fran from his work with the Eagles, who've been watching him, listening to him for a long time. So for one hour, we get to have Fran focus on what the Eagles will do, which is a treat to our audience. It's a treat to us.

And that's what today's show is. It is a seven round Eagles mock draft, very original idea, But no, we've been talking about it. Eagles have eight picks. And unlike yesterday, we can be as creative as we want with this. There can be trades. You can project trades. You can so we can manipulate things however we want them to go. And we can also get into conversation about the mock draft process too, because I have a lot of thoughts on this.

And so as a friend and I discussed yesterday, we are going to go round by round here. So we're not going to do the entire, you know, Franz picks and then my picks. We're going to go round by round. So let's start with round one. The Eagles, of course, have the 32nd overall pick. Fran Duffy, what are the Eagles doing at number 32 overall? Yeah, I'm going to go with a player that we mocked to the Eagles yesterday. And I mocked to them last week in my seven-round mock draft.

I'm going to go with Nick Scorton, the pass rusher from Texas A&M. This is a player that has the ability to. to really do a lot of different things for you defensively. I like the violence that he plays with. He can hold up and compete well in the run game. I think that he checks more than checks the box there for Vic Fangio. But he also is young. The arrow is pointing up.

He had double-digit sacks as a 19-year-old in the Big Ten. Led the Big Ten in Sachs that year. Went to Texas A&M this year. Production fell off a little bit as he put on a little bit extra weight to kind of sturdy himself for the rigors of the run game in the SEC. I think that played against him a little bit. But I think when you look at him now, the way that he looked at the combine, the way that he looked throughout the rest of the pre-draft process.

There's a lot of reasons to be excited about this profile. I think taking him 32 is fine value. I think, look, maybe he's not an A-plus Russia. We're not talking that he's going to be Julius Peppers. But I think that's perfectly fine, especially in this scheme with Vic Fangio. I think this is a good value and a good fit. So he's your 42nd overall rank player, is that correct? Let's see.

On the updated version of the big board, he will be. I can tell you that in one second. He is, he is my 45th player. But on the horizontal board, he's going to go. I mean, I have him on the same tier as like Jalen Walker, who's my 28th player, right? And so you start, that's where the horizontal board starts to come into play more so than the vertical board. And the reason I ask this is because in the seven round mock draft you had last week, you had the Eagles trading down. Do you think the Eagles can trade down and get an escorting?

I think it's possible. you know, he would be a player. I think here's how that situation plays out. You get down to 32. You've got an offer on the table to move down, you know, we'll say six slots, whatever it is. And there are six players that you have all on that same tier on the horizontal board. For everyone that hasn't seen my big board, the previous version,

or if you want to see it when the newest version goes up later today, you have that horizontal board. And if you've got all these guys that are in that same, you know, that same cluster, then yeah, you make that trade down. And one of those players falls to you. That's why the Eagles didn't move up for Quinyan Mitchell a year ago because we've got a few guys. We're only a few picks away. They're all graded very similarly.

Let's stand Pat. Stand Pat. And then Quinyan Mitchell falls to you. If Quinyan Mitchell goes two picks before, then another player that's in that cluster falls to and you feel good about it. And you didn't have to give up extra assets. It's the same idea with a trade down. So I do think that Scorton would be in that range where, you know, maybe he goes 28 or maybe he goes 38. Yeah, I think that that's the range.

I think you're talking about with a player that important. If you have not seen that horizontal diehard, that horizontal board, it means you are not like Matthew Greenwood, who in the chat said, I just became a diehard this morning. Thank you, Matthew Greenwood. Join Matthew Greenwood and become a diehard with this, $36 hour NFL draft intro offer. It will not last forever.

I'm going to have my final seven-round mock draft out tomorrow morning. on all-P-H-L-Y.com because I imagine I'm going to have picks today where Fran is going to say to me, Zach, I respect you. I know you're doing your work, but you're nuts, right? This is not going to happen. And I can show you multiple texts that I've had from different people who I respect in the league who say, yeah, he's not falling there. Okay.

Now, in my defense, and this is all, this is all preamble to what I'm going to say. I saw this tweet. I saw this tweet. I do agree with what you're saying. In my defense, how many people had Jalen Carter going to number 10 last year? I'm sorry, the number nine. He would have gone to number 10. The bears weren't going to take them.

But going to number nine two years ago. Or Nolan Smith going to number 30 two years ago. How many people had Quignon Mitchell going to number 22 last year or had Cooper DeGine to going to number 40 last year? And the reason I say this is because mock drafts like we did yesterday, it's it's done with logic and intention and it's almost by chalk right it's it's doing it's it's doing the 64 you know it's it's it's doing the NCAA bracket and not picking upsets but what happens there's a there's a team that doesn't go with chalk and everything after it changes and uh it's it's

um you know it's a big game it's live television that's what's awesome about this so i don't know if the Eagles will get Walter Nolan at 32. Walter Nolan could go number 11 to San Francisco. But I am not as sold on the notion that Walter Nolan is like completely off the board as multiple people have said. And as you put, you know, you have a great piece up now. I recommend everyone checking this out on all p.hly.com, which is the wisdom of crowds where you aggregate different mock drafts. And Walter Nolan's the most popular pick to the Eagles. Is that correct?

He is. Yes. Real quickly, I have just as you were talking, it occurred to me, I can do this. I have the mock draft, like the wisdom of the crowds mock draft results from the last couple of years. So to answer your question, how many people had Quinnion Mitchell falling to the Eagles? He was actually the fourth most mocked player to the Eagles from that sample that I pulled a year ago. At 22? Yeah. So there were a couple trade-ups. Chris Sims, the week of the draft, had them trading up. Tony Pauline had them trading up. Charles Davis from NFL Network. He had Quignan Mitchell falling to the mid-22. Chad Reuter from NFL.com and his March, Toronto had had him falling down there.

So there were a couple other mock drafts as well that had him falling to 22. So it wasn't the most common, but it happened at times with Jalen Carter. Give me one sec. So with Jalen Carter, that was less common. Yeah. So that one, there was only, he was only mocked to the Eagles three times that entire year. All of it was down the stretch where he was falling to the Eagles in that spot or with a slight trade-up. The Eagles getting up, you know, coming up to number seven in one and number eight in another. And I introduce this as a way of saying that I've covered Howie Roseman now going on the 14 years. Every year, I wish Howie Roseman would tell me what he's going to do, who he's going to pick.

It hasn't yet happened, right? So what I have to do is I have to talk to different people in the league who I say, you know, what do you think the Eagles are going to do? or is this going to happen? And I remember that Jaylon Carter year, I thought, you know, and this is the backstory to the whole Nolan Smith pick, okay? I knew the Eagles wanted Jalen Carter. I knew the Eagles liked Nolan Smith.

And I talked to someone who I thought had a good pulse on Seattle, who's like, yeah, the Seahawks are going to take Jalen Carter. Or, and then, or he's, even if they don't, he's not going to get past Detroit, right? Detroit ended up trading out of it, I believe. But this is all a way of saying that if I stuck my guns, I would have had Jaywin Carter going to the Eagles. And then I did not think Nolan Carter. I did not think Nolan Smith was going to get the 30. Nolan Smith gets the 30 that year.

That's why I predicted the Eagles going him. I predicted the Eagles going for him at number 10. This is a roundabout way of saying I have the Eagles taking Walter Nolan with their first round pick. Now, maybe in my draft tomorrow, I have them trading up. to 24 to Minnesota to do it. But I'm going with Walter Nolan at this point. And he's one of Fran's top-rated players. Fran has been on the Walter Nolan bandwagon more than anyone that I follow

in terms of like the force that he is, the sheety. I think the athletic profile that he has, I think the way he plays, the positional value, it just makes too much sense. I think the position that the Eagles are most likely to take in the first round is edge rusher, I think the player they are most likely to take is Walter Nolan. Yeah, and I love the fit.

I just, as I was getting ready to do the seven round mock a week ago, and I was making all the calls, you know, talking with people around the league, it just felt like every team that I, when I was talking with, like, teams that were picking from 12 to 22 to 24, Walter Nolan's name kept coming up.

And there were some teams where it was like very concrete, like, yeah, Walter Nolan's definitely in the mix. And then there were others where it was like, You know what? Keep him in mind here. He could be a sleeper pick. He could be a wildcard pick, Walter Nolan. And so I'm like, as I started getting through that, I just, I don't know if he's going to get out of the early 20s. And that was, I did that. That was, I finished the first round or the, you know, the first half of the first round by Saturday of last week.

So a couple Saturdays ago. Since that point, I've become more convicted. He's going to go even earlier than that. And I think that now it's like top 15, top 16. It just feels, I'm going to be honest. I'm going to do my final mock draft tonight. It'll be just one round. It'll go up tomorrow on all-P-H-L-Y.com, become a diehard again.

And I think I'm going to have them going number 11 to San Francisco. I think when you look at the 49ers and what they need, this is a pick that I actually mocked to the 49ers a month ago back in my March mock draft. And I'm just going to, I'm circling back around. I think it's a great scheme fit. And I think the value makes sense there for Nolan going that high in the draft. So let's let's play, I don't want to say therapist, career coaching. year. Should I change my pick for tomorrow on all phtly.com? Is this is this not going to happen? Are you

pounding the table that Walter Nguen will not be an option for the Eagles from 24 on? I think it would be, I think it's unlikely for him to be there. I'm not going to say that it's definite, right? Because as we said, like a mock draft is just like one version of reality. It's, I know this is lost on you. This is like, you know, Infinity War. Like this is one of a million reality of Dr. Strange. Yeah, this is this is a, this is an Avengers. Dr. Strangely, yeah, this is one possibility when you do a mock draft. Yes, there are realities that exist where Walter Nolan can fall to the 24th pick, to the 25th pick.

But I think it's unlikely, as we sit here at 213 on Wednesday. I would also say that my backup option here was Donovan as a Raku to the Eagles at 32. Who was your backup option at 32? I didn't have a backup option. Give me one second and I could tell you. I respect that. that's you know yeah i i respect that that's like in in in field of dreams when they say to a shoeless joe do you need a catcher he says not if you put it over the plate right that's that's that's that's

that's that's the confidence we're looking for so then let's yeah yeah i would say one name i would keep in mind you know and this would be like oh like kind of greet your teeth but i he'd be another one where i feel like it's unlikely this player to fall there but you know gray's able the offensive line from north dakota state uh would probably play guard here in the eagle's team was an outstanding player at the senior bowl, tested well at the combine, you know, checks a lot of boxes. He would be a player that would fit in a lot of ways for the Eagles. Two quick things here before we move on. I have this piece up on all p.hly.com, the first half of 30 thoughts. The thing I'll pound the table on is I think the Eagles, their top pick,

if they draft in the first round, is going to play the line of scrimmage. So offensive line, defensive line, edge rusher. I don't think they're going to take a safety. in the first round. I don't think they're going to take a tight end in the first round. I think Malachi starts is worthy of their pick. I think it'll be a good pick if they did it. I just don't think that's the direction they're going to go. I think the organizational priority,

the strength of this class, and then really when you look at it, like the value of having that player on a cost-controlled contract at a premium position is why they'll go with that spot. I don't think they'll make a pick with Gritted Teeth because I think if there is a run on those players, it means quarterbacks,

fallen. And I think if quarterbacks have fallen in this draft, then there's going to be a team that wants to trade up into the bottom, into that number 32 spot, just like we discussed yesterday. Yeah, I think that this draft is going to be very interesting to see where some of these runs do happen and what that means for everybody beneath it, right? So, you know, tight end is a position that I'm keeping an eye on. Does Tyler Warren, I think Tyler Warren goes first, Colston Loveland, then Mason Taylor. If Tyler Warren goes at seven, then I think that Colston Loveland goes 14. If Tyler Warren falls to the Colts and that's where the run starts, well, then Colston Lovelin, does he get to 20 to Denver? What does that mean for, you know, for Mason Taylor? Does he go to the Rams? Does he go to Washington?

You know, where does he end up? But that's, again, one example of like one position run early can impact what happens to the Eagles there at 32. So second round, number 64 overall. What do you have the Eagles doing? Yeah, I'm going to go with Miami tight end, Elijah Arroyo, staying with the tight end theme. It was like I, it's like I planned that. I think when you're looking at Arroyo. This is a guy that chances are he's probably not on the board at 64, but I think with the knee injury history, you could say, okay, only one year of real production. Maybe he falls to the back end of round two. I do think he would be a player that if you told me that two days from now, he goes off the board at the 45th pick would not shock me whatsoever. I think the talent is very deserving of that. So, you know, it might be a pipe dream to expect him to fall to the latter stages of round two. But I think when you're looking to Royo, dynamic

past catcher has the ability to be a mismatch type at the position, checks the box as a run blocker. I love the fit. I love the value there for the Eagles in that spot. I think it's a good idea there. I am not as big on a Royal as you are. I can certainly see the appeal. I think that is the range where a Royal goes. I think that the big chess piece there will be when is Mason Taylor go.

Is that if Mason Taylor goes in the first. round like we talk about, then a Royal probably gets pushed up the board because he's the next tight end there. If there's not that run on tight, if Mason Tower goes on day two, even before the Eagles, then I'm expecting Mason Tower to go before Arroyo. And so in that case, Arroyo could fall to 64. Yeah, I think Mason Taylor will go before Arroyo. You know, I personally have a Royal ahead of Taylor, but I think that Taylor will go first. You know, we talked about it yesterday. I think the ceiling there could be the Rams. I think that that is a team that would make some sense. They're a team shrouded in mystery, by the way, the L.A. Rams.

And so, so Fran's going to see my number 64 pick and say, like, did you ask me, like, who are Coonis to your prom or something? Like, you know, like, why do you think these people are available to you? And the answer to this is I'm going Nick Scorton at number 64. So, Nick Scorton, who Fran has as his first round pick for the Eagles, okay, but you look at it. I think he's, he's Dane Bruegler's 50. He is Daniel Jeremiah's, now he's, he's gone up on Jeremiah's board. I think he's Jeremiah's 45th rated player.

I think he's in that range of edge rushers. You put it so well to me when I did actually this same sequence, Nolan Scorton, I think was three weeks ago for YouTube when I did a, our YouTube mantra. You made the point, there's going to be an edge rusher who falls. Now, I don't know who it is. Maybe that's James Pierce who falls. right um but maybe this requires a slight trade up for the eagles to get scorten uh i see in the

track christopher w says there's no way scorting gets to 64 i think if there's any um if there's if there's any type of edge rusher who falls it's one who's who's not athletically you know who doesn't have elite athletic traits i think those are the players who tend to fall more than anything else yeah i think when you're looking at the board right you look at how many edge rushers there are I don't love the edge rushers available in round one personally for like the way we're talking about Shamar Stewart going where Mike Green is going, where Ezraku is going, right? But I think when you get into round two, I love the value of Landon Jackson of J.T. Tuimolo Wow. And again, you start in quote, you throw in Nick Gordon into that group. Now that's when you get into James Pierce Jr. you get to Oloafemiola Dejo from UCLA.

Braden Swinton is getting some round two love out of LSU. Some people think Jack Sawyer from Ohio State could go in that realm. And you start going, there's a lot of players that I think could end up in this part of the draft. And so, again, what's the way that a, that a squarton could fall? All right. Well, Landon Jackson goes, JT2 and Molo goes. You know, somebody to fall in loves with Olodejo and the character and the upside, an arrow pointing up, all of a sudden, he goes there, right?

And so, you know, at the end of the day, this is a game of runs. It's a game of trying to figure out that in play matchmaker. Maybe a run happens along the offensive line. When I'm looking at my horizontal board right now, I see a game. a glut of offensive linemen up higher and then the edge rushers, there's the glut that's a little bit lower. So maybe teams view it that way where, hey, you know what? If we want an offensive lineman, we have to take one now. And so that's where you could see guys at that position start to go earlier than some of the

defensive linemen. And that pushes those defensive tackles and edge rushers a little bit further down the board. Yeah. And so my backup options here were actually two Ohio State guys, Tileak Williams and Donovan Jackson. You know, I would, if I went as if I want Ezraku in the first round, I probably would go detackle here for. And so I was, yeah, so, so Tyler Williams, Shemar Turner, those are our two guys you can look at. Yep. I don't love the second round detackles as much.

I would probably lean more toward offensive line in that situation. I actually think there are some intriguing offensive lineman there. Donovan Jackson is the name I would watch. I keep seeing Marina Sands in the chat saying Scorton is a defensive tackle, not an edge rusher. Marina, yes, Scorton played at 280 pounds this fall, but he's down to 265. Actually, no, he's under 260 during the Combine and Pro Day circuit. His ideal weight is 265. That's the way he played at Purdue back in 2023.

Put on extra weight purposely to hold up better against the run. That was a decision that he made and him and his family made. going into his junior season to try and improve his draft stock and prove that he was a full, you know, two-way player off the edge. And so, yeah, he's, he's that dresser, Nick Gordon, at the end of the day. If you want to hear why Fran Duffy thinks I'm crazy for the rest of my picks and that I am overthinking these guys, stay tuned right after this break. Let me tell you about Papp's light, because you're watching the draft. You want a new late modern beer for your Super Bowl champion Eagles when you're watching them in the draft paps light is the way to go it's from the

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So, you know, I read every comment, right? And I've been curious about the comments on the Franon-Zack shows here. And some of the feedback is it's so dense. Where's like, you know, where's the small talk? Where's the non-football talk, right? And look, I don't want to waste Fran Duffy's time during draft week, but, you know,

If you have a pizza shop and someone wants the pizza to be a little more crisp, then you got to think about that. So I did have one question for you because, you know, when I finished my book, the question I got was like, all right, what's the first thing you're doing the next day, right? So Sunday morning you wake up. What's the first thing you're doing Sunday morning? Taking the dog for like a mile and a half walk, unfortunately. She's not going to let me out of that.

So I will once I get settled in, I'll have some coffee. Honestly, me and Francis will play together because I will have, it'll be, I'll miss three straight nights with Francis. So that'll be fun. Honestly, it's just good. I'm going to try and relax best I can Sunday. Monday, it's a lot of like post draft because now it's honestly, like I start watching. And I try and get ahead of it.

I watch every single post draft press conference from every single pick for all 32 teams. So yeah, like I want to start that as fast as possible. so I'll start working. Maybe I'm watching film on Eagles undrafted free agents, and I'll be writing those guys up for diehard. So maybe I'm watching film, listening to those in the background, taking my notes on that as that's going,

try and get through as much of that as possible while it's all fresh in my mind. And then once we get out of that, then we're starting to golf a couple times a week and things of that nature. So I'm excited for that time of the year. I've never heard a more satisfying answer than the day after the draft.

you're going to do some more draft work. That is, that's awesome. That's like when Mike Zimmer, there was an NFL films clip. They asked him what he would do if he wasn't coaching. And he's like, I don't know. I'd probably just be coaching somewhere, right? So, yeah.

That also asking that question, that was like me brushing my teeth with my right hand, right? It just didn't feel natural, not talking football on the show here. I thought, I thought for sure there was going to be a B question. I thought for sure. I was like, oh, that guy bought the bees.

They were going to hit me on that. So I'm glad we were able to move past it. I did enjoy a movie. with Jerry Seinfeld. That was, I enjoyed that. So third round here, okay? Let's let's get right back to business. Third round, the Eagles had the number 96 overall pick.

I will tell you which player I'll take that you probably had going in the first round. Who do you have going here at number 96 overall? Yeah, I ended up going with Iowa State tackle Jalen Travis. This was a player that the Eagles had in for a 30 visit a few weeks back, reportedly. To me, this, you know, some people might have him go. going into day three. And I could definitely see that. You know, I think that he's still a little bit of a work in progress. High school basketball player was late to the foot to the sport of football.

Ends up going to Princeton. Joined our friend, Coach Flynn there with the Princeton Tigers was there for a couple of years. Transferred to Iowa State last year for his final year. He's still, again, still a work in progress. I thought he was one of the rougher participants at the Senior Bowl. What I saw live in Mobile was not great. I thought he was fine in like in the positional workout in Indianapolis. I thought that kind of caught my eye a little bit.

and was like, oh, like, all right, I'm excited to kind of dig into this film. And the film's not terrible. I think that there's something there to work with. I think that he's got the ability to be a swing tackle. This would be akin to the Tyler Steen pick. I have a similar grade on Travis that I had on steam coming out, where it's more like high-end backup as opposed to low-end starter. I just feel like tackles are just going to go off the board, you know, in this draft.

I think that it starts to dry up once you get past the Jalen Travis tier of player. And so if the Eagles are going to address tackle, which I do anticipate that they will, and you have said the same thing that you think you think that they will address swing tackle at some point. I think you kind of have to do it around this point in the draft. Fran, you're going to hate my number 165 overall pick. But yeah, no, that's outstanding analysis. And I can tell you, you said reportedly made it a top 30 visit. I have seen photo confirmation of jail Travis in Philadelphia for that top 30 visit.

So, yeah, I feel I feel confident that he came. And no, that's definitely a player that Eagles fans should keep their eye on. Staying in the tackle department here, but a little higher up on your rankings. At number 96 overall, this is a guy who I've been keen on going back. Really, I wouldn't say before the season, but early in the draft process, when I first heard about him and first watched him, and that's Charles Grant, the offensive tackle from William and Mary. I think he has an athletic profile.

that Jeff Stoughtland will really like. You look at unique traits. This is a former high school wrestler who goes to William and Mary, so not a big school, but really productive there under Mike London. And, you know, if you're from a lower level of competition, you want standout performance, you want those unique traits. He has unique traits. It might take some time to develop, but he's a player that I think makes a lot of sense

if he's on the board in the third round. Yeah, I would love this pick. I think there's a lot to be excited about with this player. He's a little bit short. He's honestly, he's built, he's built similarly to Jason Peters where like he's got modest height. Like he's not, you know, Jason Peters was not like this tall towering like, you know, Lane Johnson, Jordan Milata. Like he was more like the shorter side, but long arms. He built himself into a bigger frame, but we know he came into the league as a tight end.

Grant a little bit, you know, built similarly where he's got 34, almost 35 inch arms, 310 pounds coming from a lower level of competition i would have felt a lot better about the evaluation if we got to see him in mobile if we got to see him work out at the combine uh things of that nature that gives me a little bit of pause with charles grant but you know watching him i mean the the freaky athleticism is apparent the moment you start the film outstanding range as a run blocker screen game he could be a weapon on the move like very fun to try and project him to this eagle scheme he's going to need time like i would say like a red shirt year plus in my opinion, I don't think that he would be ready to compete right now.

I also don't think that he would be a guard. I think that this would be a swing tackle, a tackle only moving forward. And so I think when you're looking at Charles Grant, I think this value is perfectly fine. I like him there in round three. If he had gone through the whole pre-draft process, if we saw a little bit more against better competition, I think he would have had the ability to play himself into round two. But I think end of round three feels right for Charles Grant. And I just want to point out that to all the all the view,

who read our friend Jimmy Kemsky. If you think that I'm taking Jimmy Kemsky's picks, I would tell you, watch on YouTube for March 21st when I had this same top three, right? So I haven't deviated from the top three. Now maybe the league has moved off it, but I can promise you, Jimmy Kemsky did not take my picks because I know as a rule of thumb, Jimmy doesn't consume other people's work.

He doesn't want it infiltrating. So I could say great minds think alike, perhaps. I was just going to say, I was shot fired at Jimmy. you accuse him of stealing your work. No, no. Whatever. I, you know, there's, there's some people I could say that about, I, I know Jimmy does not,

there's, I, I know Jimmy does not do that. Jimmy is, Jimmy is independent with, with, uh, the way he goes about his, his, his work. Is Charles Grant going to be there in the third round? Look, I think when you talk about any player that has his traits, like if he went 48, you know, if he went 57, that would not surprise me, but I go to me, looking at the profile. I think that when you have a smaller school, again, a smaller school player who didn't go through the pre-draft process, I think that that clouds the evaluation enough that could cause them to fall. And I should also add that if I had the Eagles making a trade in either the first

round, yeah, presumably in the in the first round, then I wouldn't have Charles Grant in my mock draft. I would have this pick going in a deal. So let's move on then to the fourth round where the Eagles had the number 134 overall pick. Yeah, in my mock draft, I had them taking Barrett Carter, the linebacker from Clemson. I think when you're looking at Carter, you know, they shot in this aisle a couple times last year when they took Will Shipley, when they took Jeremiah Trotter Jr. I think when you're looking at Carter A plus intangibles, the athleticism, I would say, it's a higher level than when you got with Trotter.

Trotter was a little bit better in the box, navigating through traffic, playing through contact. He was around the ball a little bit more, was more productive on a person. snap basis compared to Carter. But I think Carter's athletic upside would be tantalizing there. He's not a plus plus athlete, but certainly a better athlete than when you've got with Trotter. And then also just, again, the intangibles. I think you made the point on the show last week that he could be our type of player for the Eagles in those systems.

Yeah, I am with you in that. And I will say that my 164 pick, we're probably not going to have to give much analysis about. Barrett Carter, to kind of add on to what you just said there, we're going to have a segment on the show tomorrow night. And by the way, join us 8 o'clock tomorrow night. We're on throughout the draft. 630 on Friday night will be on throughout the draft. Same thing throughout the draft on Saturday.

But we're going to have a my guy segment where players that were higher on than consensus at that position that we're kind of pounding the table for. And at linebacker, that's Barrett Carter for me. This is, I think Barrett Carter's a starter in the NFL. I just think that he's, you wish he was a little bigger, but, or you wish he were a little bigger, but I think that he can, I think he can play. I liked him more than Trot Jr. at Clemson. Trot Jr. was a better blitzer.

I thought, I thought Carter was sidelined and played better sideline in the sideline. and Trot Jr. was the linebacker into my guys last year. So that's going to be Barrett Carter this year. Let's get to the first of the fifth round picks. That's number 161 overall. Yeah, I'm going with Syracuse running back, LeQuint Allen. To me that there are a number of elements of his profile that I think would make him attractive for the Eagles, certainly what he can do in the past game, accomplished receiver, aggressive pass protector.

I am sorry. We jumped over. We jumped over. I did not give my fourth round pick. I am sorry, though. There is. Sorry about that. We were so caught up with Carter.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now we know who you took in the fifth round. So my fourth round pick here, this would be a good conversation before the break. I'm curious what you think. If this guy's going to be on here because I've heard this guy might fall farther than what some of the mock drafts have. And that is Harold Fanon Jr. from Bowling Green. And, you know, I'm trying, at this point, I'm trying to slot tight ends.

And I'm trying to figure out which tight end's going to go where. And I've heard Fandon might be the tight end who drops to the fourth round. You see him more in the third round in some of these other mock drafts. Obviously, you can make the connection that he played for Scott Loeffler, the Eagles quarterback's coach at Bowling Green. But he is someone that he's certainly more of a pass catcher, high volume player at Bowling Green, a function of that offense. He didn't run exceptionally well, but he, you know, for what you, for that size, and I'll defer to you,

you probably want to see a little better 40, but when you watch him, he's running away from people. He's good in the open field. It's, you know, and I always think back to something that Joe Douglas said when they took Dallas Goddard. And that's, if they're not at the high level of competition, you want to see them dominate their competition. And that's what Fanon did. And then the last thing I'll add,

shout to our colleague, Tyler Zoli. When I speak to some coaches, but scouts in particular, one thing that they say is that if you're going, you want to see someone from these schools play against the major conference schools, like guys that you might see in the NFL. And when Fanon played against Penn State, he looked like he belonged on the field. He was one of the few guys on that Bowling Green offense

who looked like he belonged on the field. And so I like Fanon more than most, and I have him as the fourth round pick here. Yeah, I would say him falling to the end of round four would be surprising. You know, he hasn't had the most impressive, like pre-draft process when you talk about the combine, the workout.

It was a little bit underwhelming for a guy his size. But, you know, that said, it's very hard for a tight end to be as productive as he was over. I mean, we just haven't really seen. it, right? I mean, you're talking about the numbers that this guy put up last year playing for Scott Leffler and the bowling green Falcons, 117 catches, over 1,500 yards, 13 yards of catch, 10 touchdowns. He also had nine carries for 85 yards and a touchdown. When you're looking at Fanon, you're 6-3-2-40, you wouldn't imagine like, oh, he's this great blocker. He's not a great blocker, but again,

like, I think that he checks the box and it is perfectly fine. Like, I think when you're talking to me, like better than what Calcatera was coming out of SMU, right? And Calcutera, It was, I don't want to say like a non-factor, but was not a good blocker, you know, in college. And I think when you're looking at Fanon, same thing I feel about with Royo. There's some one-two there. He'll stick his face into contact and try and take on a linebacker, like he has a rapper on counter. And, you know, as a split zone against a defense event on the backside, he does a nice job on those plays. And so, you know, when I'm looking at Fanon, this is a guy where Bowling Green, Scott Leffler, they looked at him and said, like, this is our best chance.

He had a 35% target share. that's higher than any tight end drafted in the last decade in their final season of college football. When I say target share, I mean, you know, the percentage of targets in an offense, you know, going to him, 35% of their passes went to to Harold Fannin Jr. So they went into that saying, yeah, we're going to funnel this guy, the ball, a lot of big crossers and vertical routes and screens, intermediate routes. I mean, he did everything in that offense. There'd be a lot of reason to be excited about that pick. And then I just want to add here that even though tight end is a clear need for the Eagles, especially assuming they move on from Dallas Goddard,

I don't think that the Eagles will definitely take a tight end. I think if it gets to, you know, I don't think they feel they need to fill their depth chart out with a tight end. And what I mean by that is if it gets to the point where the impact players aren't there, I think they'll have a post-draft contingency, whether that's trading for Michael Mayer, whether that is, you know, there's a handful of different things they could potentially, do. But you saw it last year. They thought they were going to get offensive tackle early.

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Why could Clint Allen change that? Yeah, I think when you're looking at Allen, as I started saying earlier, he does check a lot of the boxes that I think would make, they make him an attractive player for them. And I really, I said this last week, but I thought that when you and Bo did the running back episode a few weeks ago where you highlighted some of the different trends you've seen from the Eagles from Howie Roseman over the course of his tenure, the running backs they tend to target. It's usually guys with short resumes. They have not a lot of carries on their body. Lequin Allen checks that mark. You know, he's, he's been at Syracuse for three years. but so he's a true junior he'll only be 20 years old when training camp opens this summer he's

never had more than 245 carries in a year i could tell you like when i've talked with people at the on that staff uh that you know they they were high on him when he first got there and he just proved to be like one of the more tough physical players on that football team he'll pass protect he'll catch the ball i didn't always love like the his landmarks you know in terms of his vision and he can be a little bit slow at times getting through the hole honestly i said the same thing about Sequin Barclay. I said the same thing about DeAndre Swift. I've said the same thing about a number of of Eagles running backs over the last few years. And it always kind of turns out that those running backs were able to correct some of those flaws. And I think a lot of that credit is deserved, you know,

for Jamal Singleton, the Eagles running backs coach. I think he does a really good job of kind of, you know, helping those guys hit the best version of themselves. And so when I'm looking at La Quint Allen, I see the age, I see the profile. I see the way that he can impact because you lose Kenny Gainwell, a guy that can do a little bit of everything in that backfield. I think Allen would check that box. He's a big broad, broad frame, long arms, a little bit light at 204 pounds. But, you know, he looks the part. Solid, solid athlete across the board.

I thought he went down to the senior ball. He did a nice job down there. So I like a lot of what La Quint Allen brings to the table. I think middle of day three, that's a great dart to throw. Yeah, a player, I watch quite a bit. A player too that, you know, Dom DeSandra will have to sign off on. There were some off-the-field stuff when he was at Syracuse. But I can say this about Dom.

Dom is plugged in in New Jersey. Quinn Allen is a New Jersey guy. He's from Millville, the hometown of my trout, my favorite spot to eat in Millville. In case everyone wants to know, Jim's lunch. Make sure you go to Jim's lunch in Millville. Get the burger with the special sauce. It is absolutely worth it. So I hope it's still there, by the way.

but yeah it's it's my if i can do a little flex mike trout recommended that i went that i go there um and i was doing a story on trout i asked him where to eat he told me to go to jim's lunch he told me who to ask for at the counter and um and they uh they are good they hooked me up it was it was it was really good um so my my yeah my my number one oh i'm sorry my number one 61 overall pick here i have eagles going with a safety i have a safety that that I like. He was in copy. He might be the my guy safety,

but he's someone that I can see competing for time right away with the Eagles, competing with Sidney Brown right away, even though I have them in the fifth round here. You might say this is, he's not going to be on the board here. But I also tend to think that when you get to this point in the draft, there's here, I'll frame it this way. There's less of a chance who someone would go at number 10 would fall to,

32, right? There is a chance, you know, when you get the third round, fifth round, at that point, it's really the eye of the beholder. That's why teams trade back, because boards are much more scattered at that point. Teams look at positions a little more at that point. So I am going with Andrew Mukumba from Texas via Clemson. Why didn't you just take Malachi Stark's in that spot? Tush. That's a good comeback. I should have said now if I stark said that actually wouldn't have been funny. Yeah, so look, I think this guy can be a starter pretty quickly in the NFL. He has instincts that I like.

He flies around. You would like to be a little bit bigger and maybe a little bit bigger and a little bit better in coverage, right? Like he's not someone who you're probably isolating on, you know, if he has to cover a receiver one-on-one. you're probably not excited about that. But he's someone who, like, he finds the ball. He's always around. You might say there's some duplication with Sidney Brown. I don't look at it that way.

And I think he could be better than Cindy Brown. Yeah, I think when you're looking at McCuba, I think he fits the Vic Fangio play style. He would fit in with that secondary with Cooper DeGine and Quinnionn, Mitchell and Blank and Shev. And he's tough. He's physical. He's aggressive.

I love watching him run the alley, you know, meaning like he's lined up deep in the deep part of the field and running into it to the flat, you know, through the middle there. I think when you're looking at this guy play, he's got an infectious play personality. It's honestly what first put him on my radar when he was a freshman at Clemson. I remember watching members of that defense and just seeing his kid flying around the field. I'm like, who is the safety? And I was like, oh, my, he's a true freshman.

Like, all right, let me write this guy's name down for down the road. And he never really kind of took that next step with Clemson. But he goes to Texas this year and he did an excellent job. He will miss some tackles, kind of like Sidney Brown. He could come in a little bit too hot at times, a little bit out of control. But he's got no panic in his game when he's targeted downfield. I do think that he's probably a third round pick, you know, at the end of the day. I would be a little bit surprised if he fell into day three.

But a good player, there are a lot of fans of his around the league. Yeah. And look, maybe I'm around too late. Now, last year, I had the Eagles taking J-Ox hunt in my mock draft. I had the Eagles taking Will Shipley in my mock draft. I just had them taking him a little bit of a, a round later than they did. So perhaps, you know, perhaps I can hit like three or four of these picks,

but just, you know, maybe scored it's the first rounder and, you know, so we'll see how, how that plays out. But I think this is a guy that makes a lot of sense for the Eagles. The next pick for you is number 164. Yeah, and at 164, I had the Eagles selecting Ty Hamilton, the defensive tackle from Ohio State. You know, they love to pluck. We've seen one trend over the last few years.

They're going to get a key player from a national championship team, the national championship defense. Obviously, that was the Georgia Bulldogs for a couple years there. But Alabama, before that, with Land of Dickerson and Devante Smith, Hamilton has been a key cog of that Ohio State defensive line. Now, he's not as sexy a player as some of these other defensive tackles in this class. He is more your classic, like, lunch pail type. I think he would be a backup to, to, to,

Jordan Davis in the middle as your nose tackle. He can give you some quality reps as a run defender on the interior. One of the tougher defensive linemen in this class, I do think that his ability to play up and down the line of scrimmage. I think that would be a good fit for Vic Fangio in this scheme, kind of keep the linebackers clean. One little connection that I liked as well, his older brother, Davon, was a third-round pick out of Ohio State a few years back, went to the Jacksonville Jaguars.

And the GM for the Jaguars during that time was Dave Caldwell, who is now an executive and one of the, has been here with the Eagles now for the last couple of years. And those kind of connections happen more than you think over the course of the draft cycle. So something certainly that kind of caught my eye there when I was looking at Hamilton in this spot. Yeah. So I hear what you're saying there. The Dave Caldwell connection is a good one.

I've heard a lot of good things about Dave Caldwell. I think he did a better job in Jacksonville than the reputation suggests. Although sometimes I think he's in Philly to so how he can, like poke fun at those Jags drafts because Howley, Hallie tends to do that from time to time. But no, that's a, that's a good pick. And I, yeah, I, I think it's a really good idea. So my number one, so I will do 164 and 165 together here.

Because there are two guys we've already discussed. I have Barrett Carter going 164. I have Joe and Travis going 165. This is, this is a player, you know, you have Barrett Carter going in the fourth round. of John Traff is going in the third round. So, yeah, I am not getting good marks on this mock draft by, I'm from Fran Duffy. But these are players that, you know, if the purpose of the mock draft, too, is like to try to say, all right, these are guys that I think, you know, the equals would like the characteristics, the way they play.

These are both players, I think would fit the Eagles. Yeah, I think it's probably fine. Obviously, I'm going to poke fun at you. But I think that it definitely makes sense to give our friends. viewers an idea of here are some of the players that could be on the board for the eagles in the third day of the draft yeah um so you are up then here at number 168 yeah and at 168 i went with another player who's been in on a 30 visit and that's smu pass rusher elijah roberts began his career at miami uh heavy-handed pass rusher this is a guy that wins with his bull rush

his play strength his competitiveness and his violence uh he ended up transferring to smu a couple years ago so he spent two seasons there with the mustangs and was double-digit sacks each the last two years, obviously SMU. They went to the college football playoff this year. And when you see his ability to kind of reset the line of scrimmage in the run game, when I watch it, I'm like, yeah, like, okay, this plays well in a Vic Fangio style of scheme. That same violence you see from Nolan Smith. He's got it. Now, he doesn't have the same athletic upside, the same juice off the ball out of his stance that Nolan Smith has. But when you watch him, he's got some savvy to him. What I like is he's a no-nonsense

rusher. And he knows, he seems to know his athletic limitation. right so he knows like all right well maybe i can't bend and turn the corner the way some of these other rushers can but uh here's the way i can win i'm going to set you up with my with my bull rush and then i can throw in a ghost move or some kind of a counter off of that bull rush to kind of keep tackles guessing and so um you know it can take some player some rushers time to kind of fully grasp that and fully understand that i think roberts comes ready made in that department and with the way he plays the run uh i think that he's going to end up going probably any from round four, round five, somewhere in that range. He was one of my favorite players that I saw up close at the Shrine Bowl, my first all-star event here this offseason. So, yeah, Elijah Roberts, I was glad that he came in on a 30 visit. I think that does signify interest on the Eagles part. I do think he would be a good fit for this defense.

Yeah, well said. And I think the 30 visits are especially applicable when you're talking about day three because the Eagles aren't wasting their time and their money. you know, the coach's time, the scouts, you know, the executives' times, whoever's seeing them on these visits, they are, they're not wasting it for like subterfuge with a day three guy, right? Sometimes you're doing it with day one to kind of get people off your scent, but if you're doing it day three, if you're bringing in Elijah Roberts, if you're bringing in jail and Travis, if you're bringing in the guy I'm about to talk to or I'm sorry, talk about, it's because you have legitimate interest. in this player. So I think that's a good pick for the Eagles. So for my final pick here, we all watched, you know, Barrett Carter film. We watched Barrett Carter live, not in person, but on TV. And if you watch that Clemson, Texas game, you saw Barrett Carter coming from the left

side, okay, on the film. I have it in my mind's eye. You have him coming from the left side. and you have Jaden Blue from Texas running to the offenses left, running away from Barrett Carter. I can't tell you that was on purpose, but I can tell you that there was no one else on that Clemson defense who was catching up the Jade and Blue when he ran 77 yards in the playoff game against Texas. And Jaden Blue is the running back that I had targeted for the Eagles. They brought him in for a visit. So obviously that I'm not going out on a limb here. not a high volume player when he was in college, kind of started his career behind Jonathan Brooks,

behind B. John Robinson, right? So they've had loaded backfields, well, it's kind of part of this committee backfield this year. But you're talking about legit speed. You're talking about someone who, like, you know, I'm not saying that he's going to be a starter in the NFL, but I think he's a guy who can find a role in a backfield in the NFL in the fifth round.

That's exactly what you're looking for. Yeah, I mean, he's, he's electric. he's electricity personified at the running back spot the big thing he's got great value in the past game you want him in space i didn't love him as a as a runner like downhill between the tackles i think he will be a role player in the NFL you can get into the the discussion too you know for i think that nick syriani would love to have a player like this i just don't know that like jalen hertz has necessarily shown that he's the quarterback that will take advantage of a running back like this of trying to incorporate those running backs in the past game and you know getting them the lot of targets and we've had this conversation for years. So I don't know that I would want to draft a running back where that's where his sole value is or, you know, that's where his primary value is. I just don't know that you're going to get the ROI there. I will say, too, you know, he paid a visit to the Eagles.

He paid a visit to, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but like, I would guess like two-thirds of the league, you know, wanted to get an extra look at Jaden Blue. Typically, when there's a player that has that high volume of visits, it's because teams want to get, they, they're interested, but they're, but they're, they're interested in getting another look and getting him, you know, getting more face time with him to see if he would be a fit in their building and in their culture and more coaches to speak with them in extended time. So I think that there's something there as well with the Jaden Blue selection. But this guy is electric. He can help you on offense. He can help you as a return man

in theory as well. So that's a fine dark swing at the end of the draft. Dartswing is not a term, but a fine hard throw at the end of the draft. Yeah. All right. All right. So I finally have one pick that you say, all right, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, I'm I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I, as we're sitting here now, I would be very surprised of Walter Nolan, like, was there for, certainly there at 32. And I think, even still, I would be surprised if he would got into the range that the Eagles could trade up to get him. But I think if you're, if you really want to keep Walter Nolan in there, I think you at least have to, I think you, at least have to make it. They got to trade up to go get them.

How high would they trade up to go get them? I guess that's the question. Let me ask you that. What is the highest? You could say, all right, Walter Nolan is their target. They see him as a tier above everybody else. He gets into the late teens, into the early 20s. You said 24.

What's the most you think that they would be willing to give up to get a player like Nolan or whoever that player is that would fall to that range? Yeah, good question. I don't think they're giving up their second rounder this year unless they can get a third rounder back this year, right? So you move back. But I think they would give up a first to third and a fifth or a first to third and then a pick from next year.

By the way, I want to say I'm going to fully answer this question when you finish watching this in overtime. I might have been a little premature with my overtime, actually. I'm looking at my clock and not thinking not the countdown here. But anyways, make sure you tune in to imagine Beau in a hospital room right now just like keeping notes on, on Zach, screw this up and that up and that up and that up, right? What are you looking at?

There's a bee on my ceiling, so I'm not feeling good right now. I hope they're not infiltrating. This time of year, they typically do like, one or two will make their way inside. I was able to transplant two of them from our one window on Sunday. But after seeing that swarm yesterday, I'm like, oh, no, like what's going? And now there's one up here. And he's just hanging out on the ceiling above me.

But we'll say hopefully he stays up there for now. Yeah, quick, funny beast story, 30 second beast story, when the first day on the job at PHLY, you know, we're getting a tour of the new studio. It's this beautiful studio. And, you know, the person giving the tour, he's like, I want to show you this. And he brings me up to the roof deck.

And he's like, and we even have like a beef farm up here. And I'm like, is this supposed to be a recruiting pitch? Like, he's like, you do a show. It's great. I'm like, I'm not going anywhere near. the B's for the show. But no, to the point that you're saying, I think that the Eagles would be more willing to trade future picks this year than they typically are.

A, they have a deep stash to them. I know people are saying 12. I think it's more like 11. Correct me if I'm wrong. But I imagine that Oja Lari signing is going to cancel out the Isaiah Rogers signing from the Com Pick perspective. Regardless, 11 picks. Number one there. And then number two, you can add to that pick with Dallas Goddard.

And then also in how he showed this last year, how he's very willing to move back on day three. So he can move back from the fourth round to the fifth round and then add a fifth next year in that or add a six next year in that. So this is all a way of saying that I don't think he'd be worried about trading a pick next year to move up. But I don't think he's going to give up that second. I don't think he'll obviously give up a future first. And so I think 24 would be the spot that I would kind of circle to move up.

Yeah, I think that there are a few teams that are in that area that I think that would be willing to move back. It would just be, you know, can you get the right price? So you mentioned the Eagles not willing to part with that second round pick. Depending on how high you want to move up, that could be a sticking point. And so that's, it's going to be interesting to see how far they would be willing to move if Nolan were to fall. Is there anybody else in your mind that you think that they would make that kind of a move up for? Yeah. And I was about to ask you, Mikel Williams is the guy that stands out to me.

So between Michael Williams and Walter Nolan, who's more likely to fall? I think Mike, see, like I hear all kinds of different things on Michael. I think Michael Williams could go as high as eight. And I mean, speaking of like Todd McShay released his final mock draft a little bit ago, a few hours ago. He had Walter Nolan going eight. to the Carolina Panthers. I have heard Michael Williams going at eight. This be he's freaking out right in front of me.

So Michael Williams, I think could go as high as eight to the Carolina Panthers. I think he could go nine. He might be my pick for the Saints at nine. He might be my pick for the Bears at 10. But I've also seen plenty of mock drafts where he falls into the early 20s. And so, yeah, like I think that he is another player of that ilk. And it's what we were saying with Scorton, right? Like, oh, there's no way Scorton could fall.

Well, not all of these guys are going to go. go that high. It's just a matter of it. Does the right player fall for the Eagles to be motivated to try and make that move up? Well, said. The last thing I'll say, because I know you want to get away from this B, is that, and it's interesting, J.G, just put this in the chat. The player, the player who has kind of been like the top 20 guy throughout the process, who could potentially be on the board at 32, that I think deserves more attention in some of these mock drafts, because I haven't really seen a mock to the Eagles is Josh Simmons. I think that Josh Simmons is the guy who could fall to the Eagles range at 32,

who could be a potential Eagles pick, and the Eagles have the benefit of patience with him. Obviously, as you've noted more than anyone else, the protel or tendon, that's a serious injury that's different than an ACL. It's harder to recover from than an ACL. So your medical staff has to sign off on it. But if your medical staff's okay with Simmons, the Eagles are very proud of that Landon Dickerson pick, right?

And, you know, they wait until week two. It's not even that long. Like, it's crazy to think Leonard Dickerson dropped week two. And so Simmons would be the guy to watch. I don't think the Eagles are going to draft at 32. I think the Eagles are going to be aggressive in moving up. Or I think that there's going to be teams that want a quarterback or potentially a wide receiver, but more likely a quarterback who trades with the Eagles to get that fifth year option.

Teddy Bridgewater was a fifth. year option player. Lamar Jackson, as we know in 2018 with Eagles was a fifth year option player, both going at 32. So, so I don't think. Just spread your turkeys to trade up, trade back, stay put. Yeah. I'm going 40 trading up, 40 trading back, 20 staying put. Wow. Yeah. Nice. What about you? I think I said, I think where I landed yesterday was 50 trade back. Was it 30 trade up, 20 stay put? Yeah. Okay. So if you want to find out, if Fran Duffy convinced me to change my seven round mock draft, you are going to have to read that tomorrow on all p.hly.com.

You are going to have to read you. I know you're definitely going to have to read Franz final first round mock draft tomorrow on all p.hly.com. I have the second part of my 30 thoughts coming out tomorrow on all p.hly.com. We have our show at 7 o'clock. I'm sorry, 8 o'clock. We're going throughout the entire first round, the entire draft this weekend. on YouTube, but I got to say this here. It's 306.

You've killed it throughout this draft cycle. This is the last time the P.HLY Eagles audience is going to see you before the draft commences. Anything you want to say, anything you want to get off your chest before they see you in real time when you're analyzing the picks. Yeah, I mean, I'm just, I'm very, very excited for my first draft of being able to kind of cover the entire event publicly. That's going to be, that's going to be a lot of fun. I'm really excited for it. I appreciate everybody that is joined as a diehard. So, you know, to check out all of our draft content.

Hopefully you're here to get all of our Eagles content, all of our Phillies coverage, our flyers, our sixers coverage, all of our coverage here with PHOI. So again, also the other aspect of this, you want to beat Dallas. We said at the top of the show, Dallas has overtaken us during the sale time in terms of the number diehard. So if you are not a diehard, you want that little extra motivation. We want to make sure we pull ahead of Dallas here in the standings. I went on with them earlier today, and they took a lot of joy in the fact that they overtook the PHOI in the last 24 hours.

And so if you want to stick it back to them, make sure you pay that forward. But I do appreciate it. It's been a fun few months. I said this to you off air. I'm more excited about even what the next draft cycle will be, about what next fall is going to look like. It's going to be a lot of fun here moving forward here with PHOI. That is such a great way to end the show. but I think we might have a super chat here.

Is that right? I see it starred. If it's not a super chat, we're going to give credit to it for being a super chat because Idiot Sandwich is a big fan of the show. We appreciate all your contributions. This is starred, Fran. Any take on Riley Mills? Who thought Riley Mills will be the final evaluation on the PHY Eagles show

before the draft commences? He hasn't heard anything about him until Matt Miller this a.m. Yeah, and I didn't see what Mount Miller said about him. But when you're looking at Riley Mills, This is a guy that was projecting to be like an early day three type of selection here in this draft. Maybe they know fifth round, six round, something along those lines. Ended up getting hurt down the stretch for Notre Dame. He's a defensive tackle for Notre Dame.

Six five, two hundred and ninety pounds. Freaklist athlete for the last two years. He was actually number 10 for Bruce Feldman in the 2020 three season. Fell down to all the way over the number 27 last year. Didn't work out at the combine. Couldn't do anything during the pre-draft process because of that injury. I do think that that impacts that draft slot, but he's been very productive over the course of the last few years

on a per snap basis. I think when you're looking at Mills, I think that there's some front multiplicity there that would make him a good fit here with Vic Fangio and the Philadelphia Eagles. I just wish that he was a little bit better of a run defender. I think that that is something that he will need to improve on moving forward into the NFL. Well said. So I will close it out by saying that the period in our first year on PHA,

H-O-I when I was most proud of was draft, draft weekend. Fran's addition was the biggest thing that's happened here. It's brought it to a different level this year. Our pre-draft stuff's been awesome because of Fran, but these next three days, it's going to be a market setting type days. And we're going to lead the market in this. I'm thrilled to have Fran in studio on set. Don't miss it.

Don't miss all our content. Thank you to Julia, who is working overtime, literally and figuratively here. to make everything happen. We appreciate that. For Fran Duffy, I'm Zach Berman. Bo would say, as always, we love you. He can be back tomorrow to say, I will say, I promise you,

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