PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles-Browns joint practice, Day 2: Jordan Mailata and co. overwhelmed again by Myles Garrett

Episode Date: August 14, 2025

Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, Jordan Mailata, Cam Jurgens and DeVonta Smith struggled again Thursday in their joint practice against Myles Garrett and Browns, while the Eagles defense carried their end of the bargain as Jalen Carter, Quinyon Mitchell and co. won their side of the matchup. Fran Duffy, EJ Smith and Bo Wulf recap everything you need to know about the second and final joint practice of the summer. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.L.I. Eagles podcast live from the Xfinity studio, presented by Xfinity, Do Dad Dental and True Mark Financial Credit Union, Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy, E.J. Smith to talk about the final joint practice of the summer between the Eagles and the Browns. It was a little bit of an underwhelming practice in terms of like how long it went and what they did. But there was still some stuff to talk about, plenty to talk about. A day in which the defense won the day I would say on both sides of the ball, Fran. Yeah, I thought I had eyes on the Eagles defense today after watching the offense mostly yesterday. But yeah, a little bit shorter than yesterday's practice. Not as much. We didn't see any one-on-ones, really. So a little bit uneventful for it. But they got some good red zone working today. So we're plenty to talk about still.

DJ, how are you doing? I'm doing well. I'm a little disappointed that the practice wasn't, you know, I honestly, I would have taken it twice as long, especially. We disagreed on this. I thought the weather today was a little bit more tolerable, was a little bit more comfortable. So, yeah. I thought it was worse than yesterday. Really?

Yeah. I did not. Yesterday we got a haze for like the first half of practice. Yeah, but the humidity was just brutal yesterday. It wasn't like a lot today. It is significantly hotter on those. I went up to the concrete steps today. I watched from the stuff from the,

when you're that heat bouncing off the concrete, you feel a little bit more up there. There you go. You don't get expert analysis like that anywhere else. All right. Let's get right into it. The big deal presented by Cherry Hill Kia. We're going to go around and give our big takeaways

from what we saw at practice today. day, Fran, you and EJ both focused more on the defense. I was watching the Eagles offense. Give me your number one big takeaway. I think, I mean, look, it's one day, but we got to talk about the cornerback rotation. You talk about some of the issues that the past defense had yesterday against the Cleveland Browns somewhat, you know, unimpressive past game in terms of the quarterback position. Today, what we saw, you saw Cray-Mitchell with Adoree Jackson.

those were the ones for the large majority of practice. Jacorian Bennett mixed in with the ones for a chunk of one period late in the period. But outside of that, it was Adori Jackson getting the lion's share of the reps alongside Quignan Mitchell. The twos, you had MacMac Williams on the outside alongside, sorry, in my notes, you had Jacorian Bennett. So it was so Keely Ringo and Eli Ricks mixed in with the two. and were mostly did not did not really get much run at all. So yeah, I thought that was very notable. It seems like a bit of a demotion for Achille.

For one day. For one day. In the one day. So we've seen these kind of days in the weeks past where it's been, okay, today was a big Dory Jackson day. Obviously, they don't have practice. But on those days, he's still working as the number two corner. Exactly.

As the second team corner. So I think with the deal for Bennett and then with the ascension of Mac McWilliams, the rotation, yeah, a little bit tougher to get those reps. Interesting. I think that was my number one takeaway. You watched that as well. So what was your takeaway?

What was your, what did you read of that, E.J.? Yeah, I agree with Fran. I feel like it's a worrying sign for Keely Ringo. I mean, like, to be in the line change, midway through the second team defenses reps with Eli Ricks. Like, I have in my notes, Keely Ringo demoted question mark, question mark.

Now, we've had days in training camp before. where Keely kind of took a backseat to Adory Jackson, only to take more reps with the first team the following day. But this kind of does feel different, especially when it's like he's kind of joined at the hip with Eli Ricks with the rotation. And especially knowing how they value these reps against another team, right? Now, listen, it's entirely possible. He's got some nagging injury that they're trying to manage.

There's, you know, he's on some kind of pitch counter or something like that. But given the way that we have seen them run practice all summer long, and knowing that they value these reps, it does feel a little bit worrying. Yeah. Yeah. I've, now how did,

well, go ahead. I was going to say for the last, for the last week and a half, week or so, I have been like, I think this is going to be Keyley's job. I don't want to overreact to one day, but I kind of think it might be a dory,

or where is the door open for the rookie? Well, how did both of those guys look? I thought it was solid. I mean, to me, the defense, you mentioned at the top, I think the defense kind of won the day. that really I mean two of the plays that Cleveland was able to hit were trick plays like one was a double pass and there was like a hook and ladder from the slot it's kind of fun it was fun yeah let's make a hook and lad's out like let's make that a big part of the playbook it was like uh probably like the eight yard line and they brought the they brought judy in uh to run like a little tunnel screen in the slot he catches the ball and immediately tosses it to the rookie dylan samson and runs the pylon and so that's a little flag football play and everybody cheered and I was like okay thank you thanks guys uh it's a good look for everybody but But, you know, I think when you're looking at, at the secondary, it's going to be interesting to see what that rotation looks like.

There were more. Through the double pass. I want to say it was to the running, the running back. I think I might have had a new stamps. Yeah, that's what we were talking about. That's a fantastic question. And I didn't know if you knew the answer to. No, it's all right.

But it was a, yeah, to me, like the secondary looked pretty good today. Now, with the twos when they went nickel, was it Brandon Johnson still? Yes. Okay. Brandon Johnson got the second team nickel reps. Of course, I'm smiling. Can't help himself. I mean, boy, you guys know somebody knows ball.

That's all. Can I help it if me and Vick see things the same way? Just so you know, like he's tearing up right now. But did you have eyes on Mac McWilliams when he was out there? Yeah, I thought he would say he looked solid. I wasn't like studying the entire, you know, every single rep from him. But I think that, yeah, I mean, he looked like he belonged out there, certainly. Macuba got the got a lot of the reps with the second team at six.

safety and we can talk about that a little bit. It was Sydney. To me, like I wrote that a positive Sydney Brown today. McCuba gave up a touchdown to Harold Fanna Jr. on a sail route or he looked like he was in one-on-one coverage and kind of gave up another play.

Like other options for that pick, right, going up against each other. Yeah, that's a good point too. He did get a tip ball interception in the middle of the field to end the day. Andrew McCuba did. So,

you know, he's got that going for him. But yeah, to me, I think that's Sydney Brown at safety. Well, I'm interested to see what they do. in the game now.

Yes. Because if, if, if Keeley plays like the whole first half, that tells you that it wasn't an injury thing, that this was kind of a one day demotion, right? And,

you know, Vic has said he wanted to see how he responded. Obviously, he's not happy with the way he responded this week. Yeah. And so much of it is, you know, the interpersonal dynamics of things where it's like a player's confidence.

And like, you know, again, like talking about some of the stuff behind the scenes that we don't get to see as members of the media, you know, how are guys acting? in the classroom, in the locker room, like those kinds of things.

All we can do is follow what the coaches are showing us. And the fact that he, you know, it seemed like a demotion. I think it's notable. Okay. Well, that will be our big deal presented by Cherry Hill, Kia. Good breakdown there. Fran, let's go over to EJ now. What was your number one takeaway from today after the cornerback rotation?

Yeah, so Sidney Brown was half of my first takeaway. It was a relatively run heavy day from the Brown's offense today. And I thought that really suited two players, one of which being Sidney Brown. the other one being Jehad Campbell. Okay. I thought that both of those guys really, really shine today, getting downhill, you know, fitting the run. You know, again, Sidney Brown, like,

he just looks so at home. Like we talked about it the other day where it's like, see, ball, get ball. He is very comfortable in that. And I feel like a joint practice setting really kind of fits his play style as well, where it's a little bit more competitive. He kept ripping the ball out of all the Browns running backs hands. Dylan Samson put the ball on the ground like four times today.

And like it was like a lot of them were like late punchouts, but, you know, like, do Staley, not going to be happy with stuff like that. Yeah, but I thought Jehad Campbell really just looked. Again, it's like he does like the baby Zach Bonn roll at times where he's dropping down to the edge and they can move to that five down front. And it is just like very notable. If you think back to last summer, like if Bonn was out, they could not really do those things. The fact that he gives them that versatility, they even had a six man front at one point during practice today with Campbell walked down. So, yeah, I just, we haven't seen Campbell and Bonn yet, but I am excited for.

that possibility because of what the the flexibility that it's going to afford Vic Fangio so yeah I thought it was a good Jehad Campbell day at least going forward I don't know if you have many notes about him in coverage I think you're right though I think about those two guys similarly right now that like I don't have a problem with Sidney Brown coming forward in in run defense and I certainly feel that way about Jehad Campbell it is you're worried about what's going to happen over the top I feel like even in zone coverage I'm okay with Jehad Campbell it's when you it's those one-on-one matchups with running backs that he is not which is very difficult yeah yeah

Exactly. It's a tough ask, especially for a rookie that they are asking a lot of already. But yeah, no, I thought that those two guys in a physical run-heavy practice, they looked really, really at home. First dropback of the day for the Browns in team sessions. There was a PBAU for Jahad Campbell, middle of the field, where the length really showed up. And it's a, that's kind of been a talking point with like scouts and talent evaluators in recent years is why teams are valuing length with all the zone coverage being played. And all the two high looks is like having linebackers with long arm. that can kind of squeeze those passing lanes down. I thought that was a good example on that play.

He just kind of got that arm in there and was able to knock them pass down. Can I circle back to the cornerback competition for a second? Yeah. How much do you think, if at all, Howie Roseman regrets not bringing back Darius Lay and or Isaiah Rogers. I think Isaiah Rogers is the one that stands out to me.

Because like you, you had a competent starting level cornerback there. It's not like he got paid, you know, on a massive deal or multi-year. You got, what, eight? which I think it was seven and a half. Yeah. Yeah. So a little bit more than I think you would have expected. Yeah.

But still like for, and it was a one year deal if I'm not mistaken. Yeah. So a one year deal for a starting level corner. Again, I understand that the way that the Eagles roster is currently constructed, you need to be smarter on the margins. You can't, you know,

spend frivolously or anything like that. But I don't think that that deal was prohibitive, especially with what it would give you, what it represents for this Eagle secondary, where you know that Quinnian Mitchell's probably not going to get a heavy target share, you know that that second cornerback spot is going to be something that teams try to take advantage of. Yeah, I think having Isaiah Rogers, not to say that he was a perfect, you know, starting corner, I think that he had his deficiencies as well, but he definitely

would be running away with his job right now if he was in training camp. So yeah, it is a good question. You don't have to make the Booker Bennett trade. Yeah. You know. Yeah. I also wonder if he just wishes he brought back Slay. You get one more year. That's fine. You never know. that he's going to fall off the cliff this year. I have a question for you guys. I have a question for you about the cornerback to the job. I am not there yet, but I'm curious if either of you are ready to see Cooper to Gene

take some snaps out there. I think it is telling that we haven't seen a single rep of that all summer long when we did see reps there in the spring of him on the outside. So, I mean, I am kind of curious. The more they try guys on the outside that don't look great, I'm not convinced that that wouldn't be the best solution in nickel. The problem is, then it means you've got to put somebody else in nickel. And so

if it's going to be Mac and McWilliams, well, maybe Mac MacMew Williams is better on the outside than he is on the inside. And so if he's going to be the one on the field, you might as well play him the place he's comfortable. What do you think, Fran? I would be wary about taking Cooper away from the middle of the field personally. That's, I completely

ideally. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we've talked about the DeGen Safety experiment that I am probably more in favor of than either of you guys. And I feel like putting him on the outside takes away one of his best attributes, which is his versatility. And if you put him on the outside, obviously his coverage ability still translates there, but you lose so much at both nickel and safety in the base defense.

So I'm still not quite there. I feel like the ripple effects are too great. And you are kind of, you're still getting solid play at outside corner theoretically, but you are taking away one of Cooper to Gene's best assets. Yeah, but if that's, you know, it's like Vic Fanjo said, It's not about where Cooper is best. It's about what's best for the team. And if you lose what makes him a superhero on defense,

but you don't have any glaring weaknesses, maybe that is better. You know, if it's a weak league system, right, then if the nickel is competent, which is no guarantee, which is part of the reason that you wouldn't just do it. But if that is the box that you're checking, then maybe that would be better.

Even if you are, you don't have a plus plus at one position. Would you rather have two places of competency as opposed to one great and one bad? Yeah, I guess it depends on what you think that weak link looks like in the nickel spot if you move him out there. Yeah. You know, it takes me back to like last year with the Ravens, with what they do with Kyle Hamilton, where it's, okay, you know, one of the things that makes our defense so effective. And when we were so good in 2023 was that ability to have him kind of patrolling the middle of the field and he could be a big nickel and he could be used in those middle zones. and then they really struggled last year

a lot of issues at corner and in different spots and they said, all right, let's just take Hamilton let's just put him at safety, leave him at safety, solidify some of those other spots.

And while it was kind of, it was weaker for him, it got them up, it raised the floor a little bit, but I think they were still missing some of that edge. And it's the reason why they drafted a first round safety here in 2024

or 2025. And you also think about like the moving parts of it all. And I think we saw last season that, you know, Vic would prefer to just have a static, 11 guys out there and not have to be doing a lot of mixing and matching. So that also complicates things with Dijin. If Mac McWilliams had been like a slot corner by trade at UCF, and so like all right,

like he's a slot corner. And I think that maybe you feel it where it's like, okay, yeah, but if it's going to be an adjustment form anyway, to adjust to a new position in the slot and then the Cooper Degine will be outside, just throw, throw Mac McWilliams out there a corner if you're just going to put it right, him out there. Or week one starter, Brandy, Johnson. All right, my number one takeaway from watching the offense today. I think you've seen some reports if you've been paying attention at all that like, you know, all the Brown's defense dominated this day.

I mean, the Brown's defense was better. And it was funny yesterday when you guys came in with the number one takeaway was, man, that Miles Garrett guy is good. And I'm like, okay, like, I get it. And then I watched today's practice. I'm like, man, that Miles Garrick guy, he can wrecking practice now. Because, I mean, that was the case. Like he, if he had been going full speed, he would have ruined like 80% of the passing plays.

But that said, the passing offense for the Eagles today was not good. And I may have missed a play here, but I tracked the 17 dropbacks that the ones did today. Just was it a good player? Was it a bad play? Right. My own version of success rate. First series, they had three plays, three negatives. Second series, three plays, two positives.

Third series, two pass plays, two negatives. Then they were split two and two. And then the last period, one good play, four bad players. So that was five good plays at a 17 drop back. It was not very good. It was not very good. And there were a couple nice play. I mean, there were no explosives.

Now, they were mostly doing red zone stuff. So that's fine. There was one particular, really nice, tight window throw from Jalen Hertz to Devante Smith over the middle of the field. I thought the two best reps I saw today from Jalen Hertz were both against unblocked blitzes, where he, got the ball out quick at the top of the drop. One of them actually,

he hit Calcatera in the helmet. Calcutarian didn't get his head around. Right. I saw that play. Because the ball had to come out. But that was a good throw from Jalen. But other than that, like there were a lot of checkdowns to running backs

and not in the way you talked about it yesterday where it was like in the progression. It was more like, okay, he's scrambling around a little bit. And here comes another Will Shipley play. A lot of like just the only stuff they had going was, was when they got Devante Smith on, Harden, Miles Hardin. Like, okay, this is the worst corner.

Let's get to Devonthe on him. It was not a successful day. Now, they didn't have Lynn Johnson today. He took the day off. Very smart move on his part on the day that Miles Garrett's here. Jordan Milana said after practice, he's working through something.

And Jordan Milana is like hanging his head a little bit during practice today because he's like he's getting beat up by Miles Garrett. So keeping that in mind, you've got two or three of the projected starters out there. But Miles Garrett kind of ruined practice again today.

Yeah. It's one of those things and you don't have the benefit of the run game. And if you are actually trying to, when you're going up against a player like Miles Garrett, if you are actually like, you know, trying to block it. Like it does change it a little bit. It is going to be a little bit toward in his favor where like, all right, like his athletic. So he's just going to blow by. Well, my last like I did my job there.

Like I did what I'm supposed to do. He's just, he's like four steps in and he hasn't even raised up from the ground yet. It was four point stance. Yes, it was funny watching him. You know I talk about him today. Yeah, yeah. I wrote down the quote because I enjoyed it so much. They asked him, what does he get from watching his reps back against Miles Garrett?

And he says, I get a giggle out of it. I'll be sitting there like, I did my bleeping job. And yet I still got beat. How is that even possible? How is he still at below my knees? And he's bending the corner. He starts his four point. He starts his rush in a four point stance.

And by the time he's four yards upfield, he's still at the same. height. So, Cam Juergens described it. I've never heard this before. This is a new one for me. I wrote it down. Oh, yes. Predator with ice skates running through the grass. That's great. Now, he had had a beer. Yeah. So that could have helped with his description. That could have been part of the post circle. Now, after practice, Landon Dickerson, who got surgery yesterday, brings out a bucket of beers for the offensive linemen to get a circle with Baldi

and talk shop. They're throwing a couple back so maybe that was the result of that. I had to write that one down. I don't know if I'm going to be able to squeeze that to the draft guide this year talking about somebody, but Predator with Icecase

right? There we go. There we go. Look at this from Julia. They're fantastic. Jill Betonio. Sucking one back. Bald in the mix.

Love to see that. There's Aaron Moorhead there in the background. Yeah, which one of these guys doesn't belong. Good times. So not a great day for the offense. And they didn't run quite as much today as they did yesterday. There was actually a lot of like, you know, they were in the red zone.

So of course, the Eagles are going to call some quarterback draws. They were like five of them. Yeah. It's overstating it a little bit. But, you know, I'm not getting much out of that. Yeah, I know. quarterback drawing practices like I literally made you guys are better note takers. me, especially when I leave my notebook at the media house, got to do a better job.

But what do you guys write on a quarterback draw? I just write quarterback draw. Yeah, that's what I right. I literally just write quarterback draw. Yeah. I think on one today, we're like like Juergens pulled around nicely. Like, you know, he gets to hit somebody on the second level. But yeah, it's like, you know, what are we?

What are we doing here? Would you rather see a quarterback draw or a trick play? Trick play for sure. I don't get much out of those either. Well, that's right. I was going to say, like, what do you, what do you feel like they're getting more out of? cord by draw. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I mean, they got a rep. Entertainment-wise, we get more out of a trick play, yes. Yeah. Okay. This dovetails nicely into my second takeaway. Maybe this is a tease for after the adjov. That's a great tease.

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Not me, but that is coming. It is working its way down. All right. Let's hear the dovetail. All right. Your number two takeaway from practice, E.J. Smith. The trick plays are symptomatic of something that I think is important to keep in mind with the joint practice evaluation. This felt like the Browns were really up for these two practices.

Okay. Oh, I like this take. A measure. Whose take? I like this take. Oh, I thought you said it was someone else. No, this is good. I hope I didn't steal this from something.

Oh, that's good. Yeah, I feel like the Browns use this as a measuring stick. You know, I've got a brother-in-law who's texting me how to the Browns look against the Eagles. He's a Browns fan. And I feel like the trick plays were kind of indicative of that, that urgency from the Browns. Not to give the Eagles excuses here. I mean, listen, like, you know, the evaluation is the evaluation. And especially some of the individual players that we're looking at, like, there's no excuses or anything like that in that regard.

But I do feel like we saw some moments where the Browns were clearly very fired up to use this as a tone setter. maybe for their season. I think that's fair. I mean, listen, there is the target on your back of being the Super Bowl champions. You've got to deal with that all season.

There's also a lot of like sort of interpersonal things here. You know, Jim Schwartz, I'm sure he wants to take it to the Eagles. Yeah. And we also have to remember, like the Brown's defense itself as a unit. I mean,

two years ago was one of the best defenses in football. They had some regression last year, but there's every reason to believe that they could be a top five defense again. That's not crazy. Yeah. I mean, that has to,

like, it's not just the Eagles out there. They are going to be one of the, they're going to have one of the worst records in football this year, most likely, but they still, I mean, they've got good players on that team. You have a game record in Miles Garrett. That's going to, yeah, I agree with DJ's feeling as well that,

yeah, you're going to get everybody's best shot. It's easier for them to get up for it. But this is something that the Eagles are going to have to contend with all season long. I mean, can you remember a joint practice with two trick plays from the other team? I remember the Eagles running a trick play when Shane Steichen came. Remember they wanted, it was,

it was Stuyken's play. It was a Kenny Gain. will pass and they wanted to run it against Shane. Oh yeah. Play against him. That's right. Yes, yes, yes. I do remember that.

Yeah. That's like more for like, yes. For the memes though. That's right. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it's like more comedy than like we get a look at this. I feel like the hook and ladder play.

I feel like that could be a red zone play. Yeah. To me like to France point, like if you if you're a team that's like this is what we're breaking out. Well, sure. Yeah. Like I don't know. It speaks to a lack of other good options.

I think I'm going to take the over on the Browns wins this year. If we get there and the spread of your wins and fly draft, yeah. I don't know. Maybe a challenge flag would be thrown. Okay. Who's playing quarterback in your eyes over a scenario? You're a big deal, Dylan Gabriel guy. I love Dylan Gabriel.

Yeah, all right. That's a matter who played quarterback. Yeah. Probably Flacco. Probably, I think Flacco. He had a couple nice throws today. He did. Yeah.

Okay. All right, that's a fair take. What was your second take, friend? I want to talk about the edge rush rotation as well. I think because you know I've I've alluded to the fact that we've seen a lot more Josh Ushae with the ones and you know I kept saying like all right like it's Jalick's hunt working with the twos and there's kind of like there's been like a little alarm bells in my head like my radar was up like oh like maybe Jalick's not quite ready for that I have a different feel on it I actually think that they just wanted they they're trying to put those guys in position to work against other starting units and the Eagles starting unit to get a better sense like all right who's going to going to step up today we saw aziz ojolari working with the ones josh joshay working with the ones patrick johnson working with the oh not okaronqua okay and ok oh okrochal got mixed in as well all those guys all got mixed in with the ones sometimes it was two of them at once uh nolan smith was working with

the twos at times uh and jelks hunt was working with a twos at yeah they want to see those guys i think they want to see those guys uh and they're trying to see who's who's going to kind of arise to the top there so um i thought that that was notable they're clearly trying to work through like who was going to be uh that first player off the bench. I still think it's Ushay, based off the discussions we had Monday as well. But I thought that was notable that they continue to rotate those guys through. I think it depends on the down again. I think I think it's probably still Ogelang on first and second down and Ushay on third down. But I could be wrong. Yeah, I don't I as I my my feeling

on it in the summer was that I feel good about Ushay's floor in the defense as like I he's going to come in he's going to be that third down role player. And I don't know that there's anything that's happened that has made me move off that. I just feel he's going to be on the roster. I was coming in. I was like, yeah, I don't think he's going to make. I don't know if he's going to make it. I am, I am more sure that Ushay will be on the team than I am that Oja Lari will be on the team. Agreed. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay. I think you could even make a case that Patrick Johnson Johnson would be a better early down edge rusher. I mean, he's not obviously doesn't have maybe like yeah the biggest biggest like profile wise but I don't know. I just I haven't seen it with

yeah. O'Shae Mathis did not get any. He missed him yesterday. He was good yesterday. Yeah, Mathis did not get any run with the ones. It was just the vets that were getting that playing time. A couple of depth chart things before I gave you my takeaway. The offensive line, once again, Brett Tooth with the starters at left guard, Daring Kinnard moved to the right side today. So it was Trevor Kagan back on the left side at left guard, Kinnard back at right guard.

So I think that tells you that Kinnard is not necessarily coming for Tooth's spot right now. but I think he's still I think they are I think Stout is grooming him to be the top backup on game day Right Remind me last year For Kegan's first year

What was the he was playing He was only left He was only left Yes Hmm I wonder if that's part of it Is like this is the spot Where he feels most comfortable

Maybe Yeah Hmm I have a few other specific things But my takeaway That I want to get to It's over Darius Cooper is on the team.

He's on the team. He is on the team. He worked with the ones in kickoff coverage and in kickoff return. He was one of the two returners next to Airview Williams. After being the one of the starting gunner yesterday. Yes, after being the starting gunner yesterday. Yep. He works in with the ones.

Now, Anaya Smith got a few more reps with the ones today than Cooper did. But, you know, Jailen threw him the ball on one of those unblocked blitzes on a slant. He's on the team. He is on the team. I think any 53 that doesn't have him on it. He's probably wrong. And he deserves to be on the team. Yeah.

What I said to Anthony today is I think, I think the, a realistic path for Darius Cooper to me is that he replaces Johan Dotson as the number three receiver next year. I was just about to ask you, like what is the ceiling that like based off of the summer alone? I think that is a realistic ceiling. Yeah, that's probably like a best case scenario.

Yeah. He's an intriguing player. Like, he's really good. He, maybe have something coming on this later in the week. But he does feel like a player that is just kind of, for whatever reason, flown under the radar to, and like, to no fault of his own is what I would say. Yeah.

You're still a little bit hesitant? It's not that I'm hesitant. Like, I think he's on the team. I feel like he gets a little bit more than Jahan Dotson does. Dotson had a decent camp. He's a good camp. Yeah. It's a fourth year former first round pick.

Right. Yeah. I mean, clearly he was overdrafted. He was overdrafted. There's no question about that. I agree with your ceiling. You're being, you're being,

yeah, I don't know. Properly skeptical. Yes, I don't know. 15, 14. I'm not going on.

That's fine. That's fine. Who is the most like, who is the receiver that you think of when you think of like the training camp wide receiver that just like wasn't real? Like was a figment of training camp imagination. I always think like the, I think it was J.

Arthago Whiteside second season. Yeah, I remember you saying that. You were, I don't think I was ever in on, like, the one summer touchdown catches in one day of practice. I know, but that was like a very good example of the ball just like the ball just got to him. He wasn't doing anything. Right.

On the field, he was running the back line in the, on the end zone and like the ball went there. Like, I'm not saying that Darius Cooper is that. I'm just saying that there are carcinary tales of the really. And I don't listen. Pull the clip if I'm wrong here. I don't feel like I've been like this about a receiver. Now, D'Andre Carter is different. and that's it was a different level.

I think I think Derriss Cooper's really good. I don't, when I say really good, I mean, I think he's a, I think he can be there wide receiver for this year. That's the level I mean. He's not going to,

he's not going to be a starting receiver on the Eagles right now. Right. But you think next year though? I think he could be their number of three receiver next year. Okay. He could. He could.

I just think of like, all right, like you mentioned DeAndre Carter. I accidentally referred to Damaris Johnson last or earlier show. He's bigger than Dematch Jones. He is. He's bigger. I'm not saying but Paul Turner is a name that comes to mind to answer your earlier question. Like, you know, like, you know, I think we're talking in that ilk.

So I'm not to me like, what I will also say is I think he has, Paul Turner was a one trick pony. He had speed on the outside. No, he honestly, I mean, he was not as thick as as Cooper. I think I'm impressed with that Cooper has done most of his winning on the outside. sure whereas you might pigeonhole him as an inside guy right I think that's fair all right I think you need to call me bring me down if I'm if I'm getting ahead of myself here's what he's doing yeah he's going overboard so that that way when he makes it because Brandon Johnson's not going

to make it he can pivot Cooper is his guy who's his guy I was higher along I was higher on Cooper than anybody that was the highest on the show well I mean I I said it before brandonley gun was first eyes on him. Okay. But I mean, I do feel like I'm as high on him as here. Oh, here we go.

That's true. He's good. What would Brandon Johnson say about this right now? I thought he's, we'll talk about it was your crush. Listen, listen, I'm happy.

I'm not backing off Brandon Johnson. I feel very good about that. Sure. Okay. That's all. All right. We want to go through some, start to go through some specifics.

Unfortunately, we didn't get one-on-one. I know of a disappointment. Yeah, no one on once today. What do you make of that? Why didn't, why did they go just in there was no seven on sevens either? And it wasn't like a scrimmage day necessarily. Yeah.

Wasn't like there was tons of move the ball or anything. They went a little longer yesterday and then was planned. They were supposed to be done by 1130 yesterday and they went to close to mid, close to uh, to noon. Um, so I don't know if it was like, hey, we got a lot of good working yesterday. It's really hot out. Like let's let's, let's do the red zone work and get in and get out kind of day. That's kind of what it felt like.

Surprising. Usually like one-on-ones is either. It does seem like Nick Siriani is averse to like a high volume of joint practices for whatever reason. Like the Patriots last year. I think he also is he doesn't like the fights. No, yeah. Coaches do like the fights. And so maybe usually that stuff boils over on the second day.

Yeah. That might be part of it. Yeah, I agree with that. My first note. So E.J. mentioned that he forgot his notebook. in uh you know in the in the media house uh i go out to practice just terrible rookie move by me go out to practice got my i've got my notebook i've got my pen i go i start to write you know joint practice too i got no ink no backup pen no backup pen no backup pen which is a terrible

terrible move by my part. This guy. A good friend for me. Pulls a pen around in the pocket. Here you go. An extra pen right here. We both would have you covered. Not only that.

Just a beautiful pen. Just a just a best pen. Yeah. To be fair, I would have given you the second best of my two pens. I was just going to have you my age. I come out with two identical pens. You got to have the continuity.

Okay. I respect that. It's a redemption for me. I also made it up to the building today all by myself. Give it up, give it up. First time. What can I say, people? What can I say?

Very nice. Yes, we're going to take the wins with the losses today. Okay, that's good. I did something today that I'm usually good for probably twice a summer at training camp, which is I made it to the field without my lanyard, without my thing. So I had to go, I had to double back and get that. Sometimes I leave it in the car, but I've been doing just backpack this year. So I've avoided that, but I did, you know, I have to do one backtrack.

You know what I did today for the first time in a while? I started writing my notes. So, you know, writing, you're going through. And it's like, all right, you flip the page and you go and you go. Somehow, some way, the first two and a half pages of my notes are upside down. So I go to like, turn the page and I'm like, because I was trying to keep an eye on both fields. And I go and I'm like, what the hell is this? It was yesterday's notes upside down.

And I'm like, so now I'm like, so now the way I got one half, half the notes are the right side up. Just a just a nightmare for me. Training camera. I appreciate it. I appreciate that. I mean, you have a smaller notebook, and you were going play-by-play on every line. I think we may have talked about this before. Yeah.

I'm impressed by that. I mean, mine, I'm wasting so much space here. It's a full thing. I've got, you know, I'm spaced out. I'm all over the place because I'm doing a lot of, like, writing while I'm looking. Right. What do you do, E.J.? I write notes that I only, only I will be able to understand afterward.

I am line by line like Fran. Line by line. Okay. But I probably don't get quite as many details as Fran. I will like annotate like I'll add one extra thing underneath. Sure. Like I feel like I need it. But my notes are chaotic.

Like I'll note like like if you know, McCuba comes in for Sydney Brown. I'll note that and then I'll do colon and I'll write the play in there. Yep. It's not not the best way in my opinion. I usually like if I've got a lot of white space and I'll go through and like after a period's over. They're getting water.

You know, whatever. I'm like, all right. Like a couple just quick like takeaways. Meg got me this book and she usually buys my books for me. And it's like, oh, like, I want to make the most of all this. So this is the one I've been using for the last

year or so. My opinions that nobody gives us to him on. I'm like, all right, like, she got me this book. Like, I'm going to use as much of the paper as I can. Okay. I have a specific pre-sex portion of practice to talk to you about.

Excuse me? This is a foreplay sequence with the twos. at the very end of practice, okay? Four play sequence. Play one. Tanner McKee drops back, looks to his right,

throws it to A.J. Dillon. Play two. Tanner McKee drops back, looks to his right. throws it to A.J. Dillon. Play three. Tanner McKee sits in the pocket, dumps it down over the middle

to A.J. Dillon. Fourth play in a row. Tanner McKee dumps it off to A.J. Dillon. Oh, four. play sequence of four catches for AJ Dylan. Unbelievable. Not how you want the offense to look. That also came that came on the heels of AJ Brown or about Jailen Hertz having thrown the ball to Will Shilloply twice and three plays. So a lot of running backs involved today and not the way that you wanted them. I was going to say was it like in rhythm to AJ Dylan or was it first two were.

Yeah. The second two were not. Was he hurried? A little bit. Yeah. I mean this was like I think it was a it was a was a move the ball at the end of a possession or like the end of a half or end of a so the ball had to move the ball had to get out but yeah i mean he was he was taking what he could get how many receiving yards is a j dylan getting well that was my question and this was i got to give uh rubb credit for this because he asked this on the sideline as well in the middle of this four play sequence will a j dylan have more catches today than he does the rest of the season oh that's a good one yes i kind of think so too yeah i got to think so yeah i mean yeah i feel like it might not even be like what are you throwing the ball to AJ Dylan for in a right in the regular season

game I mean throwing a ball to AJ Dylan is like the opposite of foreplay yeah like just like completely unmoved it's like if we go the opposite direction don't know what gets you going get me you get no hole you just stop digging I'm just gonna stop talking I want to see how Montreal Johnson looks on Friday afternoon because I think he could take AJ Dillon's job. Really? I think he could. Yeah, I think AJ Dillon's on the team personally. Yeah, I think I've seen enough. How do we feel before we get to break about a one o'clock Saturday preseason? I hate it. Yeah. What are we doing? Yeah, preseason belongs like seven o'clock on Thursdays. What are we doing? You get a Friday night in there, you get a Wednesday night in there, you know,

at the very least, make it at night. Make it a night camp. Yeah, Saturday, 1 o'clock. What are we doing? Like high school. Who's going to get anything out of that? I got to miss a weekend day? Right.

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Who had a bright smile for you guys today? Oh, I got one. Yes, let's hear it. Jahad Campbell had a bright smile discussing his, you know, his powwow with Miles Garrett yesterday. E.J. Great save. Nicely done.

Who will tell us more about it? I have the quote that you're going to be interested in hearing. Okay. He was asked what, you know, what was it like talking

to Miles Gary? And he goes, eh, it was just two freaks chopping it out. Ah, very nice. That's pretty good. By the way,

I did notice that John Campbell left the field today with no shirt. He did the whole, he did his media availability, no shirt. No shirt with the media availability is power move for sure.

Oh, he's taken. Maybe that was Miles Garrett's tip. It's just where you will feel like an alpha. if you never wear a shirt. Yeah, which you are clearly against as we talked about yesterday.

Just do the show with our shirts off. No, thanks. How to make viewership sync called J.O.I. I don't know. I don't know. I think we get a different kind of viewer. I think it could be good. Depends more we're talking about the A.J. Dillon passes, maybe. Okay.

All right, so Johan Campbell with a bright smile, a bright smile talking about being a freak like that. And of course, he's an eagle. And do not dental is the official dentist of the Philadelphia Eagles. Okay. The special teams, one other note here on the kickoff coverage. I thought it was notable that there was no Avery Williams there. Yep.

He was not part of that group. Also, I mean, again, this is a retread thing, but still no Jeremiah Trader Jr. with the first team on kickoff coverage. Kind of weird. If I were to make a futures bet, I would say that Jeremiah Trader Jr., are not on the 2026 Eagles. doesn't make it 53 in 2026

I think you get through next to you I think you have Bonn Campbell Smile and I just don't know if there's and Nicobi potentially I don't know if there's a spot for Trotter if he doesn't play special teams I think you need them right now because you have the two rookies in there

you want that steady hand I get a guy that's been in the scheme if he doesn't play special teams it's tough to be a backup linebacker yeah it's weird I don't see I don't know why he wouldn't you know I don't know why he wouldn't be able to be on special teams So the thing that I remember having a conversation with

Chris Marigose on a podcast about about this topic I mean what a flex well it's about it feeds this conversation A lot of people think like oh yeah like you're watching guys in college and it's like oh like He's not he's not really athletic to play on defense to be a starter but he'd be a great special Yeah you need to be athletic to play on special teams I know like Vic Fangio talked about this last year right I know, wasn't there? And he was saying that special teams, especially at linebacker, is often a precursor to being a good linebacker.

I would say that at safety as well. It's like you need a level of athleticism to be able to play in space, to run to obviously are covering a lot of ground if you're covering kicks. But if you're playing on the punt return unit, you're trying to hold up another linebacker or a tight end, a defensive end who's trying to block a kick. And then you have to mirror him down the field. Like you need to be an athlete to be able to do that or make a tackle in space one-on-one.

and if you are undersized and not athletic, it's just, it's tough. That's really tough. Especially like stylistically, it seems like the Eagles are gravitating toward the Zach Bond Jahad Campbell type linebackers. Yeah, I do wonder,

like Jeremiah Trotter Jr. does not fit that that mold. It's also, it's, it's interesting to me that it wasn't like, okay, he's our rookie fifth round pick linebacker. Let's put him out there and see how he does. And then we pull him. Like, it's not like he was tried and failed. like right away they were like he's not gonna be out there yeah yeah it's kind of weird it's

tough yeah um okay with the kickoff group though um ben van sumerin josh who's this is the starters he's already mentioned uh dires cooper kylan granson uh will shipley patrick johnson mac mcwilliams uh smile mondin kelly wringo yeah that's why i had yes then i had terrace marshal was out there on one of the units as well. Yeah, that was the, the kick return unit. You had Marshall, you had Ben Van Sumeran, Patrick Johnson. There's a lot of carry over here. Tristan McCollum was out there, E.J. Jenkins,

Kylin Granson again, Smile Mondin again, Keady Ringo. Johnny Wilson out there with the kick return unit. And then the kick returners were Will Shipley and A.J. Dillon. Ben Van Zumran's on the team, Bo. Oh, man, he got crushed today. I know. I saw this. Feeling hurts.

Yeah. He threw him the ball on just a total hospital. ball wait but yeah and hurts through him the ball yeah I know it was on the field you're gonna turn the ball I don't know he's never even do it again but that did happen do you think that play that play was called just because of the question you asked Kevin Metullo yesterday I didn't ask that question oh I thought you asked no that was someone else's question okay but no I don't think that how many snaps have been Van Zummer and get today I think that was the only one

yeah got hit me pretty good pretty good pretty good Yeah, I don't I just maybe he's gonna be on the team Hmm, I don't if he's on the team it I will I need to believe that they have a real package of those plays that they just haven't shown yet Yeah, I mean I think we know what that what that package is though it's like hey yeah, we saw last year. Yeah, it was all last year Yeah, I don't know that there's gonna be two I think the the the wrinkles that they were I think they were gonna try to to roll out We're like passing out of those sets that last year it was like automatic run like a Ben Ventummerens in and it's going to be a run play. I think trying to show some schematic flexibility there

was what was coming next and then they got hurt. 22 offensive snaps from last year. I always have to remind myself of that because I do get a little. Yeah, when he's locked, dude? I appreciate it. Well, the special teams playing all special teams. Okay. All right.

Did you have any other leftover nuggets from today, E.J. I don't think so. I had a question for you that wasn't Ben Van Van Sumer, but then we got talking about Ben Van Van Zeran and I, no. Oh, you can't remember your question. It made me slip. Ben Van Sumer and, oh, you know what? I do have it.

Okay. I want to ask you, Fran, what your level of concern is. Wait a second. You said you had a question for me. Yeah, no, it was for Fran. Sorry. What's your level of concern with Andrew McCuba consistently getting beaten over the top? Bigger, tight-down. The way you phrase that is so funny.

Like, the level of like a drum. Well, the second round pick was supposed to start being really bad at his my eyes. It's a very specific scenario. keeps playing over and over again, which is these nice. You should be the one to deliver this message to Andrew. You cannot cover tight end. Bring your playbook.

But it seems like every practice almost, there's a tight end that can rise up over and make a catch down the field. Yeah. It's a little concerning. It's honestly, though, it is like the maybe less so, though. Because like the Jahad Campbell one-on-one stuff with a running back, that will rarely happen. Yeah. Those kind of situations are

are going to be rare. Him getting matched one-on-one with a tight end is going to happen. And with receivers in this defense, it's going to happen. We saw that, you know, last year. Look, there are, when you see DBs with making plays on the football, a lot of it has to do with, are you swimming right now mentally? And then you're not making the play, like, late in the down. And so what you're hoping is, like, all right, like, as he starts to get comfortable,

he gets a sea legs under him, he starts to see things a little bit faster. he's in better position. I think that's what you're kind of hoping. I'm sure that's what the Eagles are hoping right now is like as he's giving up these big plays, you hope like, all right, like as he starts to see things better, he's in better position early to try and see if he can turn around and try and make a play on the ball.

Yeah. And I guess a generous accounting for these plays is that maybe it's different if he's able to actually hit these guys. Not to say that, you know, he's going to tabletop these guys or anything like that. But there is a lack of physicality on those that stands out. What's your level of concern?

I'm moderately concerned about it I just feel like I've Like to France point You're going to see him have to do this in games And it is They're not it's not just that he's giving up catches It's like they are consistently Like touchdown catches

You know So I would say it's Probably my biggest question About McCuba if he plays is like How are they going to account for the fact That he is going to get matched up against tight ends Yeah It's difficult

I don't know Gotta see more Yeah I would expect that we're going to see a lot of him on Saturday. Yeah. I think he's going to get a lot. He didn't play on the last year at Cincinnati. I think we're going to see a lot of Andrew McCuble on Saturday.

It'll be a good evaluation for him. Honestly, that would be like the number one thing I will want to watch from the film from Saturday's game. I got one more thing that Fran and I meant or friend I noticed during practice. There was a motion across the formation where it was Cooper to Gene following the motion and then he dropped the safety in Sidney Brown took the nickel spot. Okay. Now, Fran can explain it better than me.

That's fun. But I did find that interesting. Yeah, so what they were, because they were in there, they were doing a lot of red zone work. Those guys were working on some bracket stuff, which the Eagles did a decent amount of last year where, you know, again, someone would go over and let's say Cooper to Jean might pass that to C.J. Gardner Johnson.

The coverage call didn't change. It's like who's got inside, who's got outside changed. So yeah, I thought that was good working that out for those two. Okay. We have some super chats to get to. There's a few of them, yeah. Zach Perkins, Fran, who would you personally, start at CB2 week one?

I think I would start a Dorrie Jackson. You're locking it in. Yeah. The variance. You're locking it in. Yeah. I mean, the part of it, were we talking about Keely Ringo when you said that in terms of like, no, it was Kenyon Green? Like, is he a type of player where like, hey, like get him into the starting lineup and

like really love them up and then the confidence soars and then you're off and running? Maybe it's that kind of situation with Keely. I do feel like they've tried. They've tried. It just hasn't hit. So, you know, that does give me some concern here moving forward. How about you, E.J? I probably would either go with Keely or Mack McWilliams.

I know that that's crazy to say, but I feel like. Listen, you've been, you've been out in front of the Keely train. I haven't been your guy. Yeah, I haven't given up on Keely. This has been a tough summer for the Keely Ringgo Island here, though. It's, uh, the Keely Ringo stock is definitely as low as it's been. probably since he got drafted. Just in terms of like the belief that I had

and going into the summer, I just, the reason why I would probably go with one of the younger guys is just the potential that they might figure it out by week four or week five. And that potential seems less and less with every... Well, you know, it's like, we think that the Eagles would like it to be Kili Ringo.

I think so. But, I mean, the best case scenario for the Eagles is that it's Mac Mac Williams. Like, he's a rookie. he got four years out of him as opposed to just two years left on Ringo's rookie contract and it's not that,

I mean, they used a third round pick on him because they traded a future third but McWilliams is a fifth it's not that different. And to your point, like Mac McWilliams has given up some catches

in practice. We talked about the two outs that he had the other day. I haven't seen him get beat over the top. That's what's going to say is it's not catastrophic it's not like chaotic like the Keely,

the Keely experience right. You're absolutely right. Like there's big plays given up. There's like flying into the ref trying to make a routine interception. Like it is, it is tough at times with Keely.

But with Mack McWilliams, it is like similar, more similar to the Adori experience where it's like, he might give up catches, but it's not going to be a train wreck. And maybe you think he will grow into a player that doesn't give up as many catches

as Adori Jackson. Yeah. And then I get, and then there's also obviously Jacori and Bennett involved. And I think he needs to be here a little bit longer. Yeah. Before we get the proper evaluation.

I agree. Yeah, I think that, and we've hit, on it. I don't know that the ability itself is enough to overcome some of the mental things that you're just getting used to the scheme. I don't think there's enough there.

Next super chat from Fresh Prince, who says, as far as the offseason moves, I feel okay about not riding with Orrin Burks, but I feel a lot worse about letting Isaiah Rogers walk. What a gamble. I think that that's playing out this summer. Yeah. A linebacker depth is one of the better storylines

of camp. I was going to say this is informed by the draft picks or just the general because, you know, the smile We've talked about it before. I feel like he's almost overqualified for that or in Berks job. Well, if we, if we take the Eagles out there word about how little money they had, right? You know, would you, would you rather have Isaiah Rogers and have used the second round pick on a tight end and on a safety? Or, or, you know, you sign the $4 million equivalent of a tight end instead. You don't have Dallas Goddard anymore.

Would you, would you rather have Isaiah Rogers than that? is that's because that's where the they didn't spend that money elsewhere, right? They spent $4 million on Aziz O'Jolari. Like you could say we don't have him anymore, but I don't know, I don't know what they had Rogers valued at and how much they were willing to go

and where that would have had to be borrowed from. The Goddard thing, I think, we talked about this throughout the off season, is trying to replicate his presence, not just past game, but run game. That's tough. I think he would still rather have Goddard. I think so.

I might go the other way. Really? Yeah, I might, I completely agree. Like, the element that Goddard brings in terms of being able to run out of 11 and being able to pass out of 12 is hard to overstayed. It's like, you know, structural to what the Eagles do offensively. But I almost wonder, like, I feel like the offense would be okay without Dallas Goddard still. You have so much star power. And then on the flip side of things, like, you mentioned like the secondary as like a weak link system.

if you told me that you're like raising the floor for that. Yeah. With Isaiah Rogers, I'm torn on it, but I do think that there is an argument to be made that Isaiah Rogers would like raise the floor for the defense more than Dallas Goddard would like lower the ceiling for the Eagles often. Well, let's continue this conversation in Bover time.

I actually lean more in, I think they might regret Slai more than Isaiah Rogers. Really? Yeah. You don't think that just like the potential for Slai to be. completely watched this year is like but that that's what you have wringo therefore and that's what you have you know mac mac williams therefore is because i don't think i don't think slay went i don't think he signed for less than he was worth or for more than he was worth rather right whereas i think

to the eagles isaiah rogers signed for more money than he was worth i think the element of it though would be if you had brought if it had been rogers instead you could have built that tequila as like a competition and like try to see like i would get the where we're with Slay, like, Slay was going to start. No, but you tell Keeley, you are Isaiah Rogers' role now. You are, you know, there's a good chance. He's not going to start 17 games, right?

It's fair. Yep. Now, you can tell me that if Slai comes back, maybe that blocks Quinyan's development to a superstar because he's not going to be following guys anymore. And maybe the force of personality of Slai doesn't allow Quinyan to, you know, ascend to being the guy in the secondary.

That's possible. That could have been part of the calculation. But I feel like, I feel like locking in Slay might have been something that they would have thought more about. I don't know. That's fair? Yeah. Okay.

I mean, they signed for similar money too. So it's not like, you know, with the void years, you probably could have made it look exactly the same. Corey McNamara with the Super Chat says, how does the summer of reporting that Pablo Torres, it's like Pablo Torres has had compared to ZB's creative heater of 2019? I haven't listened to the latest Pablo Torre, but I hear it's very good. I got to do that tonight. agree um listen i don't know who that person you're talking about that second person you're talking about is

but sack pawn would be hard to compare to what pablo has done this summer uh SRG speaking of creative heaters as eJ ever had a season where he really felt like he was killing it um i think the listeners will learn i'm not a self-congratulatory person so i can't say that i've ever identified a stretch of stories yeah i feel like it would be pretty Yeah, I mean, I don't like the kind of person who would just talk about how good they were some year. That's, you know, what is that about?

I really love for this. I feel bad. I mean, I'm with you, E.J. Let's, yeah, don't, I'm not going to, I'm not going to tout myself. Oh, man, I apologize. I don't need to tee this up. This perfectly for you. I have had stretches during seasons that I've been happy with the work that I've done. I would say.

You've had stories you're, yeah. I'd say, like, I feel like it's usually around like week six that I start to like get a feel for the team and try to like, like, my like thing is I always say like I want to teach you things you didn't know about the Eagles. Sure. And that's usually the time of the year where I start to pick up some things and, you know, get the, get the Google Doc full of ideas. There we go. Try to get three or four of them out in three or four weeks. Okay. Yeah, I think I've had stretches.

But yeah, I don't think I've ever used the term before. Not a Google spreadsheet though. Google Doc. Yeah, Google Doc for the story ideas. Google spreadsheet for the 53-man roster that made me king of the beats. Yeah, but that terrible spreadsheet, like, demoted you. As I was watching the show the other day, and I could see Bo looking at your screen, and I'm like, how bad is this spreadsheet?

Do you want to show him your spreadsheet? I can show it to you. It's, I mean, listen, Fran is the king of the spreadsheets. I like a spreadsheet. Yeah, wait until you see this thing. It's pretty bad. It's pretty lackluster. just like a window into my mind.

This is like the chaos that happens up here. Fresh Prince. Is Darius Cooper too good to have been in consideration for the camp crush before Brandon Johnson caught your eye? Do you wish you could go back and create Darius Cooper similar to what you did with Christian Ellis? At that point he was not too good. He absolutely could have.

That was before the rise of Darius Cooper. I could have done that. But that wouldn't have been telling the truth. That was following my eyes, following my heart. It was Brandon Johnson. Brandon Johnson, I feel like was one of the most true cam crush experiences we've had in a while. I agree. I agree with that sentiment.

You were very smitten. The way when you said, like, uh, yeah. Tingle in your loin. But listen, I'm still happy at taking credit for Darius Cooper.

I have no problem with that. We know that. Let me tell me, tell me a few guys, um, uh, agree with this. Listen, I'm getting older. My memory's not what it once was, but I think I've still got a pretty good memory. A short-term memory, you know, usually pretty good. I feel like my

short-term memory is never worse than when I'm in the shower and like the shampoo or the body wash has run out or is it about to run out. And I'm like, okay, the only thing I care about in the world is that when I leave the shower, I'm going to get the replacement one and put it in. That is the only thing I care about. I don't care about anything else. I'm going to do this. I'm going to do this. And then the second I step by the shower,

I totally forget it. Yep. Next day you show up and it's empty. Yeah. You got to put it outside the shower. You have to. You have to. Well, that was the problem.

Is this one there was like, there was just enough left. So I was like, okay, Rachel, we'll get one more use out of that. But I'm going to put the one in just to, you know, to have it ready. I'm going to do the nice thing. And I just, every time I forget.

I'm with friend. Immediately. You got to bring it. You got to bring it. You got to dump that thing on the ground or put it outside. Gotta go on the ground. You got to. Yes.

But you don't want to wait. You don't be wasteful. That's true. I mean, like, I don't know how much. If you can't get any out of it, it's not like there's... Well, that's what I mean. If there's clearly enough left for like one more use. But do you have the squeeze bottle or is it a pump?

Most of them are squeezes. Oh, I'm a pump guy. I get like four of... Yeah, you are. I heard it. They're out the rails. Is this what boat retirement is? I get like four of them delivered on animals.

He's got to wipe down the strain over there. Yeah. Oh, man. I've been really teeing you up a lot. This has been bad. So when I reach the, when I have a squeeze bottle and you reach the end of the squeeze bottle and you know,

like it just makes that the loud like, The loud fart noise, like a lot of, you know. So I shower very, I get up very early in the morning. I shower first thing. And, you know, mega sleep, our bathroom. I was connected to the bedroom. If it's making that loud noise, I always, like, feel terrible. I'm like, I'm good.

So then I try and do it slow. But all that does is just stretch out. Just like, do I just go fast? These are the things I think about it, like five in the morning. Yeah. I wonder if there's a way to muffle the sound. What if you, can you, can you unscrew? Um, I probably could. Yeah, that's probably the way to do it. That's probably the way to do it. I will say though, usually so we do the, uh, I've got like the pump.

Take the squeeze bottle, dump it into the pump. Yeah. And then do it that way. And then it's not that big of a deal. Okay. All right. Did you have something you needed to address? I do it. I have something I need to address. I've been waiting all show for this. Okay. So those of you who listened to the ringers Philly special may have heard. Not only did my former. podcast co-hosts and I thought friends just go in on me here. But so did my former colleague Olivia Reiner. Now, listen, the listeners might remember me addressing Cliffy Two Scoops, putting my new job in their podcast description before I announced it to everyone. And I thought when I was addressing this, I thought I was actually pretty lenient on Cliff, specifically. I would say so.

I went after Sheal I said that I said verbatim Sheal would choose content over friendship Yes And if you listen to their podcast Which you know

I usually would recommend But at this point I mean They're gonna come after me They like hoodwinked Cliff They went they told go Oh Cliff what are you gonna say

EJ really went after You hear Well that's what he's doing He's doing content Yeah He's like trying to pit me And Cliff against each other now So I

Which camera are we at here Sheel this is at you. This is not a clip. Leave clip out of this. And last thing I want to say here, Olivia Reiner, I have known her for years. I met her mom. Like, we went to Sephora together when we were in Tampa. Like Olivia and I, I thought we were good friends. They play the audio. They ask Olivia for her opinion.

She goes, I'm going to have to side with my guy Cliff here. My guy, Cliff. She's known this guy for like 45 minutes on a podcast. I've known her for years. And she's, I've known her for years. And she's, you know, and she was like, like, body language doctoring, the tone of my voice when I said I like those guys. Oh. I think you know people, you know? Yeah, just the second that I'm out the door. Cliff, Cliff the whole time was like, the switch up is crazy.

You know, watch how they switch sides. And I was like, Cliff, I was very intentional about, I'd be like, listen, me and Cliff, I thought we were boys. Yeah, that's how I took it. So, yeah, I needed to address this. Again, this is about shield, team content over everything. I'm not going to forget that. I'm not going to forget. Wow.

Wow. Bo hasn't listened yet. So this is, I haven't got there, but I'm on your side. I listened to it last night. And I woke up thinking about what I was going to say. Because I got the tweet,

like Olivia tweeted like, you know, not some friendly question mark ribbing of EJ. And I'm like, I listened on like on two times speed. Good. So you didn't really listen to the rest of the show. That's important.

I did listen to the show, if I'm being honest. I was kind of, it kept me up. to listen. And then, yeah, this morning I was like, I need to make sure I hit on this at the end of the show. That's, you know what? I would, you know what? I have a low opinion of those people over there already, but that seems beneath them. They shouldn't be doing that to you. It's because they know I'm a pushover millennial. They thought I wasn't going to do this. Yeah. They're like, E.J., y'all,

we're just going to drag on him and he's just going to go into his shell. Listen, maybe it's, you know, all the times that people have told me I shouldn't be a pushover millennial. Got to stand up for myself. You did want to clarify the, the millennial, the old... Yeah, I'm not an old millennial. I'm a young millennial. Yes. I apologize for that. And he's...

And poor Cliff. She'll just using him like a pawn. Yeah. Like, oh. Like the man... Makes a mistake once. And not only that, but then she'll also recollected the time when Cliff fell asleep during a late-night pod. It's like that.

He's only made two mistakes. He was nine with E.J. And then at the time you fell... Bringing up old stuff. All we ever do is gas up our producer. Meanwhile, Shield's digging his underneath. Man. Jeff deserves better.

Six feet under. C2S. Cliffy too sleepy. Yeah, shout out. Cliffy too. Cliff, listen, Cliff, you want to break some new news. Listen, maybe we got an opening for a producer over here. I'm just saying, I'm just saying you want to go somewhere where they're going to treat you well? Spot open.

That's all. All right. Well, we've got your back, E.J. ready to ride for you. That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast. We are back tomorrow, 2 o'clock. E.J. and handsome rich in the saddle. That'll be very fun.

And then we'll have you covered for the game on Saturday between the Eagles and Browns, all kinds of good stuff. Back out of next week. E.J.'s first week. Feeling great. That'll do it. Thank you, Julia. Our wonderful producer, whom we love,

never made it. Just like all the other producers here at P.H.L.Y. We will talk to you tomorrow. And as always. we love you.