PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles comps: Can Jihaad Campbell play like Micah Parsons? Who’s a realistic comp for Drew Mukuba?

Episode Date: May 6, 2025

In NFL Draft rooms, general managers and coaches often find comparisons to better understand a prospect. Zach Berman and Fran Duffy will look at the Eagles’ 10 draft picks and find realistic comparisons for rookies Jihaad Campbell, Drew Mukuba, Ty Robinson, Mac McWilliams, Smael Mondon, Drew Kendall, Myles Hinton, Cam Williams, and Antwuan Powell-Ryland. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Whoever said comparison is the thief of joy will not enjoy today's show because today is about player comps. It's a fun activity. I'm Zach Berman. This is Fran Duffy. We are here on the PHLY Eagle Show brought to you by True Mark Financial Credit Union.

And this is something that we always talk about every draft season. It's a conversation that they have in front offices with the coaching staffs. And now we're going to have it here on the PHLY Eagle Show. Fran, good to see you. Good to see you too.

This was an idea you presented was it last week. And I was like, yeah, let's do that one. This one will be a fun discussion. And I ended up putting a little bit more work into it than I thought I was going to, but I think the final product will be fun. And so just a little background here, okay? I said coaching staffs front offices do it. Nick Siriani literally said last or he said two weeks ago leading into the draft

that one of the things he really enjoys doing is Howie Roseman will say, who does this player remind you of? And there's a bunch of different ways to go through this. You can look at it from a size perspective. You can look at it, you know, if you just look at the measurables, who does he make you think of? You can look at it from a playing style perspective. You can look at it from a personality perspective, right?

These are all things that coaches do, that scouts do. And it's not saying that player, that this player is going to become that player. It's more in your head. All right, if things go completely right, or his shades of this guy, his shades of that guy. So this is, the fact that we're doing it here is important because this is what teams do. Yeah, and it's, you hit the nail on the head.

I think that there are lots of different ways that people will look at doing comparisons, right? And you mentioned the physical, the dimensions, the athletic testing, those spider charts that get shared every single spring. That's a big part of it. You look into it's all right, well, this player most, you know, is most similar to player B or player C.

You go, the quality of the player, Hey, you know what? Like, if I'm talking to Eagles fans here on the show, if I'm talking to you, if I'm talking to Bo. And I say, all right, well, this, this offensive lineman, I think it could be like an Isaac Seymalu level of starter. Or he could be a Kenny Gainwell level of backup. That immediately, like, clicks in your head and you can say, that gives you context, right? There's the role in usage. Hey, you know, I think it could be like an Avanti Maddox type of role in the Eagles defense.

And then there's the vibes element, too. You know, this guy just, he plays like CJ Gardner Johnson, right? He's kind of got has that feel. Those kinds of context clues can. help kind of paint the picture of who a player can be in your mind. Obviously, you don't want to go nuts. You don't want to go, you know, too crazy with saying, oh, you know, every player, there was the, I think it was it, was it David Montgomery? Yes, I was literally about to say that, that, that, that, that graphic where, yeah, everything's a whole thing. Yeah, I mean, that to me, you, you can get a little

crazy when you do that, but that's honestly, it's one of my favorite parts of having as much access to data that we have now than compared to, you know, seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, where now, is so much, and I keep track of a lot of these data points, whether it's the athletic testing, the physical measurables, but then also usage, you know, where guys line up, the productivity at different spots and, you know, the different metrics that, you know, PFF and other services are able to acquire. And so having now that historical context, it just gives you more points to be able to try and draw these kinds of comparisons. I need to say, when I look at scouting reports, sometimes I'll skim through it and I'll just scroll down to that.

to the comp because in my head it's it's like all right i can see that and i gave ben fennel credit during that that dinner when i was just kind of the bystander listening to you guys is i i love that ben did exactly the opposite of what you just said which is he compared it to like comparable NFL player so a fifth round pick wouldn't be micha parsons right a fifth round pick would be a reserve player who maybe fits a certain role uh so i need to say too i'm going to brag on fran here i went through this because I was doing comps and then Fran sends me what he did in preparation for this and the work he sent Julia and I was like all right Fran's going to have to carry this one here because mine's more like I would never use vibes but it's like all right he plays like this

he has this measurement you crunched all the all the film crunched the numbers so I'm excited to do that so without further ado let's start at the top guy and we'll start with your hot Campbell and I just want to say I put in the thumbnail Micah Parsons and And I texted Fran this morning as I'm putting the, as I was sending Joy, the information for the thumbnail. And I said, is Michael Parsons realistic? And Fran's like, probably not. And I'm like, well, how about let's just, let's just pretend like for the sake of conversation that it is because it makes for, you know, because the comp friend gave and he'll give it in a second. It's a good one.

But I don't think that's drawing the YouTube viewers, right? So my comp is Michael Parsons. And I'll explain to you why in a bit. But first, I want to hear what the expert thinks. And that's, what's your comp? Well, to me, when I'm going through my process, you mentioned the vibes element. A lot of times I'm watching players on tape in the fall, in the summer, even through the spring before I've crunched all the numbers.

And I'm watching a guy. And sometimes it just clicks. And it's like, oh, like he looks like this player. He feels like this player. And then sometimes that holds true through the process. Oh, the athletic testing, you know, whatever happens, or you get the full body of work from an analysis standpoint with looking at the production metrics. And it just hits you.

To me, when I'm building a comp, when I'm trying to talk. try and find one through a process like this. It's a version of modeling that teams do when they're going, like your analytics teams are going to go through when you're trying to find, all right, what are some, the combination of factors that might result in a positive outcome with a draft pick, right?

So let's take a look at some of the markers for Jahad Campbell that kind of set him apart from others. So right off the bat, he's 6027. So 6.2 and 7.8s. So right off the bat, I want to take a look at all linebackers drafted in the last decade. I want to say, all right, no one shorter than six foot two.

And I want to look at his 10-yard split in the 40-yard dash was 153. That's elite. So I want to say at least 159 in the 10-yard splits. All right, that's an explosive athlete who's taller. I'm going to eliminate anyone that's under 230 pounds. And it also hit at least 119 inches in the broad jump. So I've got all these little data points here. And that's going to spit out a nice sample of players to choose from.

So Julia has graphics of players that I spit out from this sample. So this is everyone drafted in the last day. decade first and second round picks that had those four data points. All right. So no shorter than 6.2, at least 230 pounds, at least one, five, nine in the 10 yard split, at least 190 inches in the broad jump. And so that gives you, here, again, the round one and round two picks. Micah Parsons is on there.

And you start going through, like, all right, like, who are the guy there? Is there anybody from this list that makes sense? They're like, oh, you know what? I kind of see this player as similar to Jahad Campbell. And again, I've got all, you know, a lot of other data that can kind of, of help to draw these comparisons but michael parsons like you said is on there the the name that i ended up getting drawn to and julia there's also the day three uh the day three graphic as well and you could see honestly there's only five names from the day three one that's interesting is andrew van

ginkle who play a player who excelled under vicangio um but when you're looking at uh at these players anyone that fits these measurables there were again there were only five of them went that went on day three the large majority went day one and day two so that kind of encapsulate the fact that Jehad Campbell is a special physical specimen. Guys that are built that way, that are that explosive, they go early in the draft. So I think that that kind of painted that picture there. But for me, I landed on Quay Walker,

former Georgia linebacker who went in the first round of the Green Bay Packers. And Quay Walker, if that's the outcome for the Eagles with the 31 overall, with the 31st overall pick, would that be a good outcome? Well, I mean. Someone who, by the way, his fifth year option was not picked up. Exactly right. So, yeah, I would say that that direct outcome would not be good.

Now, obviously, I'm looking at it as what was Quay Walker when he was coming out of Georgia. Exactly. And so, all right, well, this is a guy that obviously had the size, had the explosive ability, was still pretty raw to the position. It was still pretty new to the offball position. Like Jahad Campbell, when he got to Georgia, a lot of his stuff was, a lot of his time was spent on the edge on the perimeter, and then he eventually moved to the offball position.

So there's some similarities there. Tell the tape wise, basically the same exact length in wingspan, 32 and a half inch arms, 80 inch wingspan. Walker was under an inch taller and six pounds heavier at the combine. So we're talking like very, very similar physical profile. The testing, they ran the exact same 40 time. Campbell's a little bit more explosive, but otherwise very, very similar across the board from a testing standpoint.

Experience level, 21 career starts for Campbell, 17 for Walker. And again, just the same kind of general positives and negatives. Walker had lower lows, I would say. Like when I went back and going back through my notes on, and I was really high on Quay Walker. his lows were lower and Campbell's highs were higher if that makes sense. And so that's why I was a little bit higher on him. Tremaine Evans was another guy that kind of came to mind. He just missed some of the parameters there, but similar raw test numbers there for Tremaine Edmunds, so obviously it was a top 10 pick and got paid a huge money deal from the Chicago Bears and free agency. But those were a couple players that came to mind for me. Yeah. So I said Michael Parsons and I was I was fiddling through my computer because I was trying to find my 2021 notes here.

Okay. And and the reason is for the exact. thing you said about Quay Walker is we're not looking at the player now we're looking at the player coming out yep and so with Micah parsons coming out a sentiment I had and we're I remember that draft vividly it was the year the Eagles took Devante Smith Patrick Sartan J.C. Horn were other players we were to we were talking there and I was having the conversation with Bo and Shio Capadia and I was like Micah Parsons is so much fun to watch the Eagles aren't going to take an off ball linebacker at this spot right um And I said, but you know what, like, you know, if he's a pass rusher, it changes everything.

And he got, he was drafted as an offball linebacker. And, you know, interestingly, when I was going and finding, when I was looking at thumbnails, I was going back and looking at photos from Parsons' his rookie year. And most of them were him playing off ball, right? The Micah Parsons, we think of now is not the Micah Parsons that the Dallas Cowboys drafted. Right. In 2011, frankly, he would have been a top five pick otherwise. And so I think from a size profile, from a playing profile, now Parsons did not play his third year at Penn State.

His last year there was 2019. He sat out the COVID year. But he was ferocious as an offball linebacker. And if you go back and you read those scouting reports, it was like he's also has the upside to rush the quarterback. similar type of profile as Jihad Campbell. Howie Roseman, the fact that he brought up the Penn State, now he didn't mention Parsons by name. And when I tried asking the Tiriani about that,

Howley said that's an unfair question. But you can see in terms of the body type, similarly to Parsons moved to offball linebacker at Penn State. For those who remember him when he was a high school player in Harrisburg, he was a pass rusher. He was a pass rusher and he was a running back. Jehad Campbell was a pass rusher and he was a wide receiver. Now, I'm not saying Jehad Campbell is going to be Micah Parsons,

but it doesn't take a lot of squinting to see that type of athletic ability, to see that type of athletic toughness, to see the explosiveness with which he plays with. And I agree with you that he's going to be an offball linebacker to start his career. But what I keep saying is where is he going to be on third down? On third and eight, is he going to be running toward the quarterback or is he going to go backwards?

and I think he'll be running toward the quarterback on 3rd and 8. And that's what Michael Parsons did as a rookie as well. Yeah, I think the separating factor for me with those two, I mean, like, Michael was such a ridiculous athlete. You know, you're talking somebody who was 10 pounds heavier than Jehad Campbell at the combine, and he ran 436 at that size. You know, just under 250 pounds to run 436. Campbell, impressive.

Like, he came into 235 and he ran low 4-5s, and it's like, man, like that's really, but 436 at 245 is. is like wild, wild stuff. And so, like, that's, to me, when I'm looking at, like, the difference from, like, a pure athleticism standpoint, I can't quite get there with, like,

that comparison, but obviously Campbell is a special physical specimen in his own right. Yeah. Okay. So Quay Walker, I think, would be, would be solid now. The Eagles obviously hoping for,

yes, you're hoping for more from the past rushing perspective. Let's look now at the next pick, Drew McCuba, Drew McCuba, the second round pick. And I have an interesting comp, comp and I'm curious what your numbers and what your film studies show you.

All right, so, Macuba, again, you try and find what are the outlier, like, metrics here, what are some of the numbers that kind of set his physical profile apart? Now, he's so light, so I immediately cut out any safety that was over 200 pounds. So he came in at 186 at the combine for testing.

Now, it's important to note, shout out to Dane Brugler for the Beast for pointing this out. He came in at 194 at his pro day. So he added it. So he basically just dropped a bunch of weight to run the 40-yard dash at the combine and then put that weight back on. So now, that said, the fact that he ran, he ran 4-4-5, which is pretty good, but 4-45 at 186 is not great. Now, 186 pounds. So I basically said, okay, we're going to get anyone over 200, I'm going to eliminate 30-and-a-half

inch arms, which is that, that's also a very short compact frame. So no longer than 31-5-inch arms. And then he ran 4-4-5, like I mentioned. So no slower than 4-55. So that spit out a sample. Julia, if you want to bring up the the Drumacuba. Look at this. I love this. Round one through three additions here. Here's everybody that got drafted in the last decade that fit these markers. And you see some good players here.

Buda Baker, Xavier Woods, Darnal Savage, Marquise Blair. There's varying skill sets here. And what makes it really hard is that some of these guys profiled as, hey, you know what? Like this guy could do some things in the slot for you. You know, Buda Baker obviously has played a lot of time in the slot. Kwan Martin, Javon Bullard, Jalen, Jalen, Jalen. Petrie, these guys all played in the slot. While Maccuba did that at Clemson, I don't think that that's going to be a role where he's

going to necessarily excel in the NFL. Yes, he can come down and, you know, play as an overhang defender, like those kinds of things. He can do some of that in the NFL, but I don't think you're going to be counting on him to come down and cover slot receivers full time. I don't think that he's that kind of lateral athlete. So two of the names from this list that I settled in on, and I struggled because it was, he's kind of unique in this way.

Julian Blackman, right there in the middle there, was a former corner who moved to free safety, his final year, Utah, and then Brandon Jones, ironically enough, another guy from Texas. Both guys came out in the 2020 class. Both guys are built very similarly to Drew McCuba. So Julian Blackman, 511 and 3 quarters,

187 pounds, same exact wingspan as Maccuba. And Jones, 511, 198, slightly shorter arms than the other two. Brandon Jones played for Vic Van, you ironically enough. That's actually one of the fun things about as we go through these lists, you're going to see a bunch of former Eagles. You're going to see players that played for Eagles coaches on here. So you get a sense of like, oh, they have a type or you can see maybe some of the things that they saw throughout the evaluation process. Now, Blackman

did not test at the Combine. Jones had an impressive speed and range on tape. So it was just a matter of like, all right, you're kind of projecting that moving forward. But Blackman started a lot of football just like Makuba started a lot of games. He had 40 starts. Again, only that last year at safety. Brandon Jones probably had the closer scouting report where it's, hey, you know what, he played a lot of deep safety. He was very aggressive, would run the alley, but he would miss some tackles. The play strength would show up. Going back and rereading my notes on that player, because that's another thing that I'll do as well. I'll go back and I'll let me pull up my scouting report. What are some of the things I said about this player? And Brandon Jones read very

similarly to Drew McCuba. I like that. On that list, Darnel Savage was a player. I was thinking of, but that's not the player I went with. Okay. The player I went with, and you kind of had a natural transition looking at the coaches. This is a guy who big Fangio drafted higher than consensus. And the player here, I thought McCuba was drafted higher than consensus. But I actually wrote this name down when I was watching McCuba leading into the draft. And I said he'll fit into what Fangio does.

Okay. And that's Jimmy Ward. Jimmy Ward is someone who came to mind now. Jimmy Ward has that cornerback safety flexibility. But also, he didn't come out of Northern Illinois. He's a big guy. I mean, he was like, what, 510 or 90? He was a corner, yeah.

Yeah, and he drafted more than a decade ago, so he's not in my sample. Okay. So this is interesting. Let me pull up some numbers here. Yeah, but when Jimmy Ward was playing with Dante Whitner there, this was the profile that I kept thinking about with McCuba. Now, Ward only played one year for Fangio.

didn't get that much time, but clearly he's someone that, that Fangio liked. And like flies around the field, aggressive hitter, you know, real active around the ball. And I see a lot of those qualities.

The versatility, you know, Mukuba is someone who those first three years at Clemson played in the nickel, right? Didn't really play in the in, in that all over the field role until last year at Texas. So look,

if I'm stretching here, maybe so, but Jimmy Ward was, I think, the 30th overall pick was a bit of a stretch when he was the 30th overall pick. And that's the name that came to mind for this one. I'm loving this. Like I said, he's outside of the last 10 years. So he wasn't in my sample that I pulled from. But I'm just looking at some of the comparables here. And I think that this one definitely matches up.

And I think when you think of it from, actually, I can do this. Let me pull up my, I'll pull up my scouting report on Jimmy Ward. All right, so Jimmy Ward came out 2014. So Fangio's final year with the 49ers. And then, you know, he turned into a 10-year pro in the league, right? Multiple contracts was with Houston most recently. But yeah, I thought about Jimmy Ward during the pre-draft process. So I kind of cheated on this one.

This one wasn't done today or yesterday, but this was the name that always came to mind and was why, frankly, I thought McCuba made sense in this Fangio scheme. Incredibly athletic safety. can play a number of roles, can play the nickel, is an excellent special teamer, Malcolm Jenkins S because of his versatility. Interesting, I wrote that about Jimmy Ward.

Explosiveness as a hitter, though, he will drop his eyes at times, needs to improve his technique as a tackler. Yeah, not a thumper, but more of a space player than a box player. Yeah, a lot of that matches up. This is a good one. I like this one, Zach. Man, you know what? Well, you can impress Fran.

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I'm trying to take Boe Wolf's lead and I can't wait for Bo to come back. I'm trying to keep the seat warm for him here. But, you know, Bo likes to come out of the breaks, either with the super chat or some type of topical question that's not about the show. And so I'm driving in thinking about it. And I'm wondering, are you a Met Gala guy? No, absolutely not.

I could not care less about the Met Gala. I'm going to need the chat to explain the Met Gala to me. I mean, I know what it is, of course. It perplexes me every year. I saw what oceans, was it oceans 13 or oceans, was it oceans 13, the one with the female cast? And they, and they, they, the thief was at the the heist, if you will, okay. At the Met Gala.

But, I mean, Sequin was there, Joan Hertz was there. So all over my feed is MacGala content. I'm curious, what do you do with the Metcgawa after the, after the photo shoot on the, on, on the walk in? So everyone dresses up. I get that. But when you're there, is it just a dinner? Is it, that's what I'm curious. Is there entertainment?

What's going on there? Because my only understanding of the Mechawa is the Ocean's 13 movie. And I'm trying to understand. Oceans 8. Okay. I was just saying Ocean's 13 is the third. It's the third one. Okay.

Oceans 8. I apologize. Ocean's 8. Even better. And they stole the necklace off of Van Hathaway's. Yeah. So, um, did you fall asleep in that movie? No, I watched it.

Okay, got it. Yeah, so, um, oceans. I'm trying. Now, if Bo is here, Bo, I take you, Bo probably knows a lot about the Metcala. I think he knows as much as we do about the Met Gala. No. Really? Yeah.

I can't. I, what part of the Met Gala do you think that he's really interested in? Well, what was really into like the cultural zeitgeist? You know, like, like, he knows what's going on. like what people are talking about. And he's... I think he would be offended by the idea that you would... I'm not saying he would want to go to the Met Gala.

I'm saying, I'm sure Bo could... If I said to Bo, what happens at the Met Gala? He could tell me what happens at the Met Gala. I actually don't think he could. You, I think I see... It's really funny because if I had to pick which of the two of you would know what's going on on, it would be you. Really?

Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I mean, but Bo's really into the arts. You know, like he... He loves movies with subtitles and... This is the part where you all say, I think they like drink at the Met Gala's, a Po-Lop with my hats.

No, but you know what? I'm going to ask Sequin and J-Ewan. Like what happens inside the Metcala? But if you're watching right now, well, everyone watching right now, leave it in the chat. Tell me what goes on at the Metcala. Here you go.

It's a fundraiser. Thank you, Claire, on Claire. It's a fundraiser for the Met Museum. I did know that part. It's hosted by Anna Wintour. I did not know that part with a theme based on their collection. That part, I kind of understood because I read stories this morning about it.

Paul Jam says it's a party Zee, but would love it. So, yeah, I'm curious to find out more about the Metcala, because the Eagles world has collided now with the Met Gala. Because of Grace, he's about to burst through the door. It's like, no, I 100% agree. I just, like, all I've seen of the Met Gala and the TV show, Dave, he went, you know, there was an episode where he goes to the Metcala, but they only show the walkway.

Shout to Elkins Park, by the way. Yes, yes, shout out to Elkins Park. But they only show the walk in. I never know what happens inside the Met Gala. So I'm curious, like, is there a speaker? Is there, if you've been to the Metcala, I don't know how you got tickets to the Metcala, but if you've been to the Metcgala, comment below

or if you know about it, let me know. otherwise I'm going to sound pretty ignorant when I talk to Saquan and Jamwin and I'm going to say so tell me what happens at the Met Gala anyway someone who is not at the Met Gala was Ty Robinson shots fired at Ty Robinson yeah um Ty Robinson was not at the MetGala but when you watch Ty Robinson you put the numbers in who does Ty Robinson remind you of all right well let's start start with the body type Ty Robinson 65 288 so kind of a unique body type for a defensive lineman an interior guy 32 and a quarter inch arm so he's got shorter arms for the position. So it's actually pretty easy to kind of come up with a narrow

scope of potential comparisons here. So I went with no one under six foot four, no one over 300 pounds, and no one over 34 inch arms. So that created a nice like 21 player sample from the last decade. So Julia, if you want to bring up the day one type of players that we, that we saw here from this sample, this is Ty Robinson rounds one through three. And the, there were a hand, So you had six options here. Jihad Ward, Philly guy, out of Illinois. Taven Brian went on the first round.

Machine Green, Logan Hall, Zachary Carter, Brian Brazzi. So these were like the six guys that kind of stood out from that standpoint. There were more guys on day three. So Julie, if you go to the next one, there were more of these players. And that's where,

honestly, when I first started watching Ty Robinson, these were the types of players that popped into my mind. I was like, you know what? I feel like he's a, like kind of a, your workman like, kind of do everything. Kikog, a lot of these players. that turned up in this sample,

there weren't a lot of like high level starters. You know, Brian Brazier has been one guy that has turned out that way, but everybody else has been more, you know, your third or fourth defensive tackle on the rotation. Now, he has the number one RAS, the number one relative athletic score

compared to all of these players. And the entire sample, he's got the highest athletic testing. I didn't quite see that on film consistently. So, but you were talking like Dean Lowry, Logan Lee, Isaiah Loudermoke, these are all guys that stuck in the NFL. as backup players, really the only starters

where Brazil, like I mentioned, and hear from this list, Zach Seiler, who's stuck with the Miami Dolphins out of Ferris State. And played well for Fangio. Yeah, no question. And again, that's another one of those players where you can kind of see that connection there. Now, I think if you were going to count on the athletic upside

and you think, all right, hey, he's going to play to this athletic testing, then the only other guy that really kind of tested that way was Brazil. And so I said, you know, and when you look at the numbers, the Brazil comparison kind of matches up. So we're going to look at the tail of tape here. So purely from like a height weight standpoint, Ty Robinson 605-1, 288 with 32 and a quarter-inch arms, Brazil, 605-4, so we're talking like a quarter-inch difference,

298 pounds, 32-5-inch arms. So basically the same exact arm length. Testing-wise, Robinson had a better RAS score than Brazzi. Robinson had a better 40. Brazied a better speed score just because he weighed a little bit more and was a little bit more explosive. So the Robinson had better jumps. That gave him the better score overall.

Brazil. Brazil was just more productive, much more productive on a person at basis. Robinson played six years, had 47 starts. Brazil was a redshirt sophomore and he came out,

only 21 starts. So you're looking at the total body of work. Brazil, obviously, it was just a better player. He goes late first round versus Ty Robinson going early on day three.

But I think to me, if you're looking at, hey, if you're buying into the athletic upside, really the only guy from that list that kind of matches that is Brazil. I didn't personally see that.

I saw more of the ladder form of the guys that more likely ended up in that area. But I think the people that can squint, you say like that's what you're hoping for with that body type and that athletic profile. I mean, that would be an outstanding outcome. That would be an outstanding outcome.

Yeah. So the player that I have here and mock draftable helped with the size comp. But I see it from a playing style perspective too in terms of the versatility on the line of scrimmage. And that's John Franklin Myers. Interesting. Yeah. I think when,

and I wonder if that he didn't show up in, mine because he might have been listed as an edge. So give me one second. But I think when you're looking at that, yeah, that's the kind of. Because that's what I think. He can play at different spots along the line of scrimmage. You know, he's, you know, Franco Myers is probably what, 6-4-280 thereabouts. Similar.

The mock draft bowl came up very comparable. And I see it, especially the way he was used with the jets. Right. So that's that's most my John Franco-Myers understanding was his time with the Jets. Yeah. And he, I'm looking at why was he not, why was he eliminated from mine? I'm going to see which part of this he would have gotten eliminated for. Oh, because of the length. Okay. Actually, no, he's got 32 and 37.8. So there's something here that would have taken him out of the running for me. He was a fourth round pick from Stephen F. Austin. Yeah. So 6-4-288. And is he, he might have been considered an edge.

but like the edge, the tackle combination, probably better in odd man fronts. So that's what stood out to me. And I think, look, if he's John Franco Myers, that's a terrific outcome for the Eagles. John Franklin Myers signed a four-year, $55 million deal. Now he got traded to the Broncos. But my understanding is the Jets really missed him when they traded him.

Yeah, I think that would be an outstanding outcome, certainly, for the Eagles, if he were to turn out to be that. kind of a player. So the next pick for the Eagles, Mack McWilliams, a Fran Duffy favorite, someone who you were on leading into day three of the draft. Yeah, Mac McWilliams listed 5-10 and a quarter, 30-inch arm. So this is a short, compact frame. So let's whittle this down. So now he came, he's another guy like Maccuba. He was 180, or he was 191 at the Combine. He came in over 200 at the pro day. So this is a guy that dropped a lot of weight to try and test as best as he could. Then he went to the pro day and put all that weight back on. So he is a

I call that the John Riker. Yeah, right. There's all these guys do this now. And it's it makes it, it makes it tough to do the, honestly, to do these comparisons. Because now that's why I give a little bit of wiggle room when I'm doing the physical comparison just because there's so much variance with the weights and things of that nature. But over 185 pounds only. So like, you know, basically I'm like, all right, let me make sure that, you know, we're encapsulating everything there, slower than a four or five and her out because he ran 4-4-1 at the combine. And again, kind of going with that 30-inch arm, 5-10 height, created a 20-player sample.

So, Julia, let's pull up. There was actually only a couple guys on day one that had been drafted in the last decade that fit this profile. It was Trent McDuffie and it was Vernon Hargreaves. Interesting, yeah. It was a high pick by the Tampa Bay Bucks. Obviously did not work out. Trent McDuffie obviously has worked out.

Yeah, that'd be an outstanding outcome. Yes, I think that's very unlikely. There were a few guys on day three, though, Julia, if we want to go to the day three graphic on McWilliams, where there were a few that really resonated with me that I thought that really made a lot of sense. And I compared him to, like, again, just to kind of encapsulate it for Eagles fans.

You think of Vante Maddox, right? Like, he's kind of got that same kind of play style. One player that I thought really matched, actually there were three. Diomito Lenore, who he just got a good payday from San Francisco, Trey Brown from Oklahoma and Amique Robertson, Louisiana Tech. The one that I settled in on it, I thought it was very, very similar, was Diomador-Lonor.

Okay. So McWilliams, 510 and a quarter, 10-1 pounds, 30-inch arms. Lenore, 5-10 and a quarter, check, 199, basically the same exact weight, almost the same exact arm length. We're talking like a third of an inch difference in arm length. Testing, McWilliams had an 807 RAS. Lenores was 7.59.

So very, very close there. Same exact 10-yard split, same vert, 0.03 seconds off the 40 time for in terms of the difference there between McWilliams and Lenore. Experience-wise, McWilliams, 36 starts with 2,000 snaps played. Lenore, 34 starts, the 2,500. So basically the same level of experience. McWilliams was a little bit more productive on a per snap basis, but they basically touched the ball just as much, just as often.

Both were primarily outside corners and had the toughness and instincts to play in the slot. I love this comp. And obviously, this would be an outstanding outcome for the Eagles in the fifth round. Well, Don. That is a good one. I think that's better than my comp, which is Cam Sutton. I know, that would be a great comp.

That would be a great outcome as well. And I was, I was, I was, yeah, that's a good qualifier. I was a little late on Mac McWilliams. I watched him more after the draft. I relied on, on you draft weekend. But in terms of the measurables, in terms of the way he plays, I can see, I can see Cam Sutton in him. But I will, I will defer to you.

And I think Lenore, I don't even think that's a, that's a squinting one. I think that's one. You just look at the draft range. You look at the career trajectory. That's a solid one for the Eagles. And I, yeah, I like that one. So let's go back to the linebacker well.

And let's go with Smile Mondin Jr. Yeah, this is another one that was, he was really tricky to do comps for because he's just, he's just really light. He was listed 235 by Georgia, got down to 229 for the Senior Bowl. It was at 229 for his pro day, but he dropped more weight for the combat.

He's down to 224 pounds of the combine. So a lot of the physical comps that I pulled were a lot of like converted safeties moving to linebacker for the first time. So basically what I did, I eliminated anyone that was over 235, which again, that's what he was listed at by Georgia. So anyone over 2.35, you're out of the sample.

He has an 8 inch wing span. So anyone that was under 78 inch wing, I got rid of them from the sample. And then he also had a pretty good broad jump. So anyone under 121 inches in the broad, they were they were thrown out as well so julia let's go to the smile mondan day one physical comparisons here it's actually a decent amount and one of one of my so the orrin berks comp that i made terrific back in the fall that one i was like oh he actually he matches up really pretty well with

orrin berks so i felt good about that but a handful of these other guys you can see a lot of these guys go relatively early in the draft when you have that size profile that athletic profile you see jeremiah usu coromo in there and i mentioned a bunch of former safeties divine diablo out of virginia tech He has stuck in the league for a while. He fits that. Diane Henley from Washington State, now with the L.A. Chargers, he fits that. DeMarvian Overshown, a very light linebacker who was a safety in a DB in high school. He matched up well here. And then, Julie, if you go to the day three comparisons, first mile Mundin, this is where you see more of these guys show up.

So you see Cameron Brown, former Penn State linebacker, Jamie and Sherwood, former safety, Thoree Carpenter, former safety. Jalen Carly's last year's six-round pick by the Colt, former safety. Jamal Hill for the Panthers, former safety. So the other one I actually kind of liked was Saracier Dennis, who the Tampa Bay Bucs selected. They're counting on him to be a starter this year.

I think Dennis is a guy that I think actually compares really well to Smile Mundin. That said, the guy when I was looking through the, and again, just on the spreadsheet, just looking at the numbers, DeMarvie and Oversone, the comparables with Oversone and Smile Munden were very, very similar. now overshone was like an elite athlete yes like when you watched him we were like holy cow like this guy's got outstanding range and closing burst that's where i was always kind of left

one thing with with mundin where i was like yeah like at his size i wish he was a better like wow athlete at that size but again just looking at the numbers here tell the tape smell mondin 6 2 and a quarter 229 at the pro day overshone 6 2 and 5 eighths so you know we're talking like an eighth of an inch difference, 229 at the pro day. Basically, basically the same exact arm length, uh, as Munden as well. So physically, like dimension wise, exactly the same. They had the same speed score. So we're talking like weight adjusted 40 yard dash time. Basically they, they both had the same there. Mundon didn't do the shuttles. Overshorn had poor shuttles. Monde had four inches better on the broad. Uh, no vert for, uh, for, uh, smile Munden there. Um, Mundin's RAS was just a little bit more.

So like testing wise, it looked a little bit better, uh, for Mondin. But again, overshunded, did a full battery of test. Mondin kind of picked and chose which ones he was going to do. They had the same exact production score. Their experience was relatively same. Overshown at 33 starts to Mondin's 32. Both guys played the same amount of snaps. They're a relative.

Now, again, this is only on the spreadsheet. I would say, like, when I go back and read my scouting report of Oversone, it was very, very different. The sideline to sideline range, that's why, to me, he's more in the Servacier-Dennis, or in Burke's category of, like, I think this guy can be a third or fourth linebacker. Like I kind of feel maybe there's upside there to be a starter.

But what I saw on tape was more like high-end backup as opposed to starting quality linebacker. Yeah. When you said Orrin Berks on draft weekend, that registered with me. And I'm like, I can definitely see it. I watch Mondin quite a bit. And just in terms of the height, in terms of the ability to play on special teams, the ability to cover, like things that Orrin Berks does, I can see that with Mondand.

I also thought it was interesting too. I didn't get a chance to speak to you about it. I spoke to Jamie on yesterday's show. Great show, by the way. Listen to it this morning. The Eagles did an awesome job. And, you know, I think all the people there with, you know, the Eagles unscripted, terrific access.

But I've spoken on this show quite a bit about why I believe in trading back in day three because it's more of a cluster of players and it's in the eye of beholder. More so I like trading up early and back later because. there's just more very, there's more variations with your board and other team's boards when you get to that point. And the reason I bring this up is I think it was Lee Di Valerio said in that passion meeting that Smile Mondin was his top linebacker going into day three. Now, I want to preface this by saying that's one scout's opinion. It's not necessarily the team's board. Right. But I do know, you know, Smile Mondin was sticking out like a sore thumb on the Eagles board in the fifth round.

That's why they took them. They didn't have plans to take another linebacker there. The value was too strong. But if you just look at the amount of linebackers who went on day three before Monden, off-off ball linebackers, you know, Jack Kaiser, Danny Stutzman, Cody, Simon, Barrett Carter, you know, Teddy Buchanan, you know, Shamar James, Jeffrey Bassa, you know, there's like you're getting a lot of linebackers before you get a guy who, at least one person in your room thought was the top linebacker going into day three.

and that's not abnormal. It's often the case where someone in the fifth round, someone in the sixth round, it's like, how is this guy still here? That very seldom happens in the second round, as the Eagles well saw. So from a strategy perspective, I'm an advocate of what the Eagles did actually two years ago,

which was they traded up in round two to get Cooper the Gene, someone who really stood out, and they traded back multiple times in the third round, in the fourth round, in the fifth round, get volume and kind of go from there. Yeah, I think that, that's obviously like pie in the sky. That would be an ideal outcome on most years, most drafts.

And certainly they were able to use that to their advantage last year. And then they were able to play the board a little bit here in 2025. Fran is going to tell you which offensive linemen have comps that might intrigue you right after this break. It's baseball season right now. That's the big show at night other than the NBA playoffs and the NHL playoffs. And you know what? When I'm doing work late at night and I have a game off. I'd like to have some action on those games.

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but he got a fake nail put on. You know a fake nail was a thing? I did not. Did you? Yeah. Okay. So I got a fake nail put on. Right.

Yeah. I got a nail put on top. Yeah, because his nail had, his, his nail had cut, like, or split. His nail had split. And so he got a fake nail put on so he could pitch. Yep. But then the fake nail came off as he was pitching. So there was a whole messed up situation.

The early reports were a blister. And so I'm following Chase Dundler, and I'm like, oh, man, he's got a blister. That's not good. It turned out it was just a fake nail. He got cleared. He's going to be back on the mouth today. So if you were him, yes.

How hard would you be trying to not get out that it's finger, like to have fingernail on the injury report? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's, That's a tough one. Like, what would you do to personally make sure that that fingernail did not get out of the airport? Yeah, I would probably, like, put my finger under a car and have him drive over. So it's like, no, the fingers, the bones messed up.

It's not the nail. But, no, he was a pro. He explained it all. I know too much about Chase Stone's on his fingernail. But before we get to the offensive line, we have a super chat that I just want to get to here. The super chat is, I'm sorry, Joey, my eyes are not. Oh, here we go. Thank you.

PNMF, Foster, NFL, MBA, MBL, NHL. This is from My POV Life. Thank you for your contribution. I'm not sure I quite understand this. Oh. Oh, Pet and Ness, Mike. Oh, okay.

I believe he meant MLB, not MBL. Oh, okay. Thank you. Okay. So here you go. All right. I will go first. Okay.

I mean, of course I'm nesting the NFL. Nesting the NFL. This is my livelihood. It's also, it's, it's, It's incredible, okay? I love covering the NFL. I love everything about the NFL. I am, I'm pecking the NBA.

What's fostering in this situation? Because I'm probably, if, like, fostering your, because you're, so you're living with it, but not like forever? Have it for a little bit, but not forever. So then I'll go to the NBA then. I'll go to that. So I'm pecking MLB. So that's above peck.

So fosters above peck. Yes, I would imagine so. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. So then definitely fostering the NBA. All right. I'm pecking the MLB and I'm nesting the NHL, although great job by our whole Flyers crew. You're migrating. Yeah, I'm sorry, migrating the NHL.

Great job by our whole Flyers crew last night. I was watching that with my son. He was so into the lottery results because of the great work that everyone on our PHL Y Flyers show was doing. I think I'm pecking NHL. for the NHL playoffs. Like, you know, for me, like, I, I love, I love NHL playoffs. Hockey was my first love.

The Flyers. I remember you saying that. Those late 90s, uh, Flyers teams were my, my, uh, I mean,

I guess the Phillies, like the early 90s Phillies were probably my first, like team that I was very, very into, but, uh, I mean, I had like all the T-shirts and all that stuff for the, uh,

like Legion of Doom Flyers. So, um, yeah, I'm gonna go, I would peck NHL. I guess I'm going to migrate NBA and I'm going to foster MLB. Mm.

I think so. Okay. But it's everything. I mean, let's be real. It's, it's NFL, and then it's college football,

and it's a wide gap between everything else. Yeah. I, I was on a panel the other night in Bucks County. They asked me, thank you. I shouted out P.H.O.I. multiple times talked up for Ann and Bo.

I should have talked up Julia more. I'm sorry. I wouldn't talk up Joy any day. But, you know, they were asking me, like, you know,

when I'm not covering a game, like what kind of stuff am I watching? on TV and I was like uh Sunday night football Monday night football Thursday night football right because that's that's the best programming there is football more the more football the better you know Mark Cuban once said that um you know football is going to get too big and you know what up you know the pigs and hogs line there no there can never be enough football from my perspective yeah I would agree with that uh I will say like because because of how invested over the last

you know, decade, you know, 15 years plus that I've become like with football. A lot of the times now when I'm, and watch, I do need to like almost unplug from sports at times. And so I do find I've become much more. That's where like I've watched a lot of TV now, like a lot of like the prestige TV. So, you know, I do find myself like drifting more towards that in the off season as opposed to that's what now I'm catching up on on shows that maybe I like I'm watching the final season of Yellowstone that I didn't watch during football season, uh, things like that. So I'm more likely to catch that than watch, you know, Angels versus the Royals on a random Thursday night. So all the football coaches who are watching the show right now,

and they love Fran's work, but then at 248, he's talking about watching Prestige TV. And so we need to get them back on the hook here. And nothing will get them more excited than Fran talking about offensive linemen. Right. You give offensive line comps. And we're going to go right into it with Drew Kendall, Drew Kendall, the fifth round pick out of Boston College.

Yeah, so the first of three offensive lines. line we're going to cover. And again, finding the unique physical characteristics about Drew Kendall, 31 and 3 quarters inch arms. So he's got a squatier frame, shorter frame, even for a center. So no longer than 32 and a half inch arms, so like that, you know, cut all those guys out of the sample. And then he had that short shuttle, which was a really, really strong number, 4-5-1 in

the short shuttle. The short shuttle viewed as like the most important athletic test for an offensive lineman, specifically for an interior offensive lineman. So anyone slower than a four-six got cut. This was a really impressive list of players when you look at this group. So, Julia, let's go to the day one players. So this is the four guys here. So Joe Tuny, Garrett Bradbury, who went in the first round,

Joe Tunney, obviously is a great player. Matt Hennessy has been up and down. Creed Humphrey, great players. So pretty good hit right there with the day one and day two selections. And then when you get it to day three, there's also a lot of guys that have played a lot of games. So Austin Blythe, you know, started games here in the NFL.

Chase Rulier was on his way to a really good career before injuries kind of derailed him. Yelda Froholt has become a starter with the Arizona Cardinals. Drew Dalman, starting center for the Chicago Bears. Luke Whippler has developed into a starter. Tanner Bordellini, he's in year two, Dylan McMahon. Obviously, we know so much about Dylan McMahon.

And then Bo Limmer, the Rams starting center as a rookie last year at Arkansas. So this is, to me, this is, the thing that carries the most weight here is the 451 short shuttle. And that's why, you know, our friend Josh Norris with Underdog, he has kind of pointed that short shuttle and said like, yeah, if you could hit this one benchmark, it's almost like a guarantee that you are going to become a starting offensive lineman. No offensive lineman in this class hit the benchmark that

that Josh had set for that. I'm pretty sure it's 448 is the number. But Kendall had the best one at 451, so the closest one to hitting that. So when I looked, I look at that sample and who are the players that most, you know, were most similar to Drew Kendall. The guy I landed on was yelled a Frohold coming out of Arkansas a few years back. He was a player. Actually, the Eagles had interest in back then. I remember he was in on a 30 visit that year. Went to the Cleveland Browns, I believe, when he first got drafted, but didn't stick until really he became a starter with the Arizona Cardinals. Drew Petzen got hired away from Cleveland, went down to Arizona, bought Froholt with him. He was a backup and he became the starting center there. They

were built very, very similar, 604 and a half. So six four and a half, 306 pounds. Basically the same exact arm length. The testing was near identical from an RAS standpoint relative athletics store. Kendall was 909. Froholt was 907. Their shuttles were basically identical. Experience. Both of them started 37 games. And then even when you look at like

pressure rate and past blocking efficiency and like even like penalties in their career it was like exact. So I'm like yeah, like all right. This is a nice comparison to make. Froholt started as a backup, became a start a started down the line with the second team. We'll see if that happens here with Drew Kendall. I like that one.

I'm looking at, yeah, so yeah, very similar profile. Actually, he got attracted by the Patriots. Then went to the Texans. Got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah, then the Texans and the Browns. I like that. Let's go on then to Miles. Wait, do you have one?

No, I was going to defer to you on the offensive lineman. Honestly, I watched them, but I trust your eyes more than me. Hold on. I have to take you to task on something yesterday for yesterday's show. Oh, let's do it. Yeah. Responsible for my words. I mean, the, the brush that Beau and I,

got painted with, oh, we just stand there and watch practice and no one can watch practice like us. I feel like I, I stand by that actually. At one at one point, have I ever given off a vibe like no one can watch. No, no. It's like, you know, look, I've, I say, I mean, people think I'm joking. I'm so sincere with this. Bo is, is an astute practice observer. No question. Like, and so are you. You know, you're, I, it changed me to say this as someone who, who does practice notes and you know jimmy kemsky might take me to task here but um fran's practice notes are the best like in terms of like what's what's uh what's going on drill to drill now fran in the past hasn't necessarily been able to give like the full big picture contextualizing things um and i've training camp

this year uh i can't wait for fran's notes but like you and beau you're not small talking there it's not like oh no yeah so you're watching one-on-ones and you know it's it's not like let me give you a epithetical, right? We save that for the podcast. Yeah. So, yeah, that's the thing. You don't do a podcast when you're watching practice. There are times when I'm trying to watch practice, but someone's coming up to me and they

start a conversation. And I can't be like, sorry, I'm watching practice right now. So you got to get good with the one word response. Yeah. To me, that's like, yeah, that's rude. So you and Bo, it's very much like, do. Don't bother us. We're watching one-on-one drills.

Also, I say this about Bo too. When 7-on-7 is going on over here and the O-line D-Lines going on over there, a bow wouldn't be caught dead watching 7-on-7s. No, get out of here. Okay? And neither would you. So, yeah. So I say this as a compliment.

Like, you know, going to, you know, it's not a social excursion going to training camp practice for you. It is your chance to watch football practice. The way you painted it yesterday, it felt like you were saying like, oh, like, we couldn't be bothered. We are in the elite section of the, of the, it's not matter of Elisa. It's like the intensity with which you watch at football practice. That's, I apologize if it was misconstrued.

I, I meant it like, like you aren't messing around when you're watching a football practice. And I watch the practices intently. I'm taking notes, but I don't say this as a flex. I say it's just like a lot of different people come up during practice and they're, they're catching up with me. They're talking about different things. And I can't be like, sorry.

So invariably, I'm kind of the guy who's like, did you see where, did you see who caught that past? You know, because I'm on observations today. And I need to make sure I have each past documented, right? So that's, that's more what I meant. When people ask me that question, I was like, yeah, I didn't say it. Yeah, yeah. I want to be an unreliable narrator in that way. Yeah.

So that's that. I'm getting, you know, I, I, I've done practice observations since 2019. I've watched training camp practices since 2012. I watched the previous two years with the Giants. I watched, you know, two years as an Eagles intern, one year, as a, as an inquire, or I'm, yeah, and then one year as an inquire intern. But, so I've, I've watched training camp practices for, for 20 years. But you watch it with an intensity that is admirable that, like, you know,

I'm to the point. I've always said this, that there's this code among coaches. And not just coaches, football, like people who work in the football building, the hotter it is, the more clothes you have to wear,

the colder it is, the fewer clothes you have to wear. So like coaches will wear shorts and a t-shirt in the winter, but then in training camp, they're in sweatpants and hoodies, right? It's a good sweat. Yeah,

so when those coaches walk by you, they'll just grunt with like approval, right? And so that's the same thing with ball. right? So they see you watching one-on-ones. All right. Well, let's get it to the next player. Miles hitting. No, we got a, don't we have a calm accord? Oh, yeah. Okay. All right, yes.

Yes. Yes. Because you have a common, well, unless you want to do the offensive line. I do. Yeah, no, no, no, no, I do. I do a common cord. I'm going to go first with common cord. And tell me what you think here. Because I really, I went through a lot of different people with, with calm court. I thought at one point, Baker Mayfield, but doesn't have quite the arm strength, kind of has that gunslinger approach. I was, I was thinking, you know, Smith at one point, I'm not sure he kind of has the pinpoint that Gino Smith had coming out of West Virginia. I went with Ryan Fitzpatrick. And, you know, similar day three picks, like, you know, gunslinger mentality, really smart out there.

You can see it. So, yeah, I, you know, a lot of experience in college. So I went Fitzpatrick. Is that nuts? I mean, that would be an outstanding outcome. No, but in terms of, like, the player coming out. Um, yeah, I think that's, I mean, I, I'm going to be honest, I didn't like do a thorough breakdown of Ryan Fitzpatrick when he came out, um, just because it was a lot, it was a long time ago. Yeah.

Um, but yeah, I mean, just looking at like stylistically, I think there's some similarities there. Um, this was a, this was a very tough one. And quarterback overall is, is, is probably the hardest player, or the hardest position to do comps for. Um, just the one that gets the most comps too. I know. It's, it's, it's very, very difficult. Uh, you were, my, my, my, my comparison is a little. but different, like your first name was Baker Mayfield. No, I just meant to turn to the gunslinger approach. Yes, I know what you mean. But it's good. So like they, let's go through the names that I pulled here. So, uh, there's nothing like super crazy about the, the physical characteristics of Kyle McCord, right? You know, so I went to, he listed six three, two, 18 and he didn't test.

So we have a limited, like, a number of data points that we could pull from. So anybody between 6-2 and 6-4 between 214 and 22 pounds, these were all above average numbers here. no athletic testing. So what I did was, I said, all right, who are some players that, like, because I'll pull the amount of explosive runs that a quarterback will have over the course of his career, just showing like, how much damage they do with their legs? McCord did not do not too much.

So I did anybody that had less than fewer than 30 explosive runs. So that turned out the 17 player sample. Julia just gave us the day one options here. And you can see there's a handful of guys. Some of these were high picks. So, you know, Jared guy. Real quick, before you get to the name, because everyone wants to know this, I need to tell our audience, you're going to have to tune in to find out in overtime.

Well done. Well done. That's two in a row. Yeah. I got one more show to go before Bose back. All right. So those were some of the day one options that around rounds one through three. Julie, if you want to pull up the day three options, guys that kind of checked the same boxes.

The one guy from that first list I thought about was C.J. Betherd when he was coming out of Iowa. but Bethard actually was pretty athletic. You know, I didn't see that same level of movement. So I ended up with some of these players here. I thought about former Eagle Brad Kaya, who's on this list. Former Eagle, it was like a week.

I like that. For a couple weeks. I did land on another former Eagle, though. Kyle Laletta? I went with Kyle Laletta. Okay. So in real estate now, I believe. No, so Kyle Laletta, basically the same, very similar size here.

So Kyle McCourt, 6, 3, 2, 18, 9.5. chance. Kyle Laletta, six, two and a half, 222 pounds, nine and a half in chance. The testing, Laletta was a 477 athlete, 8.36 RAS, above average. Athlete, again, we didn't have a testing profile, but my guess is he would have been somewhere in that range. McCord, 25 starts. The Laletta's 33. Obviously, McCord started Ohio State, then transferred to to Syracuse for that final year. Laletta spent his time with the Richmond Tigers, or spiders rather, sorry. Yeah, I don't know why. Sorry, I mean, no, you're right. Great nickname.

The sugar spiders. That's Joe Douglas' alma mater. That's right. And Sean Barber. That's a good point, too. I don't want to get down to Sean Barber, Barber wormhole here. Production wise, what makes, one of the things that was really interesting about, about Kyle McCord's numbers, dude, he was nails from an accuracy standpoint, under pressure and down the field this past year in that Syracuse's offense. They were very aggressive down the field.

and when he put, he hit on so many deep balls in that offense, and operating from Jeff Nixon this past year. And under pressure, his numbers were outstanding. And his, again, his like adjusted completion percentage, really, really impressive. The thing is that that's not like a, when you're looking at those kind of numbers, those typically are pretty volatile.

They rise and fall from year to year. So this past year, it was really, really strong for him. So that's why, again, quarterback comparisons, it's very rare for you to see a profile that really matched. But in some of these other areas, yards per attempt, they were basically the same, average time to throw from a clean pocket, which is a little bit, again,

when you're dealing clean pockets, that's a little bit more sticky, year to year as opposed to under pressure. McCord and Laletta, very, very similar. Turnover-worthy play rate was the same. Big time to throw rate was very, very similar. Pressure to sack rate was very similar. So a lot of these metrics that have proven to be pretty sticky

from college to the NFL and even over college career, like year to year, I thought they were very similar. So this one, I felt, you know, now if you're the Eagles, you're hoping for a more lengthy stay in the NFL than Kyle Laletta. Lolletta was a fourth round pick, I believe, for the Giants, right? And then he came to the Eagles, I think I'm year three, year four of his career. And I think there was his last stop, local guy as well. Yeah, Downington.

Yeah, Downingtown. So I think when you're looking at, that's where I landed with Kyle Laletta, as opposed to Baker Mayfield. Okay. Bigger Mayfield just terms of the gunslinger approach. Baker has a better arm. All right. So, yeah.

So let's, let's, I can give Mike. It counts for the O'Liaman, but for the sake of time, give me your Miles Hinton and your Cameron Williams. Two guys who, frankly, are going to be linked together because I think only one's going to make the team. That's a very good point. So let's go with Miles Hinton here. 6.6 and 3 quarters, 323 pounds. So I went no shorter than 6 foot 6, no lighter than 315.

This is a big-bodied kid. RAS of at least 7, which is below average. Now, he's a pretty good athlete, did not do enough test over the course of the pre-draft process to qualify for an RAS. Which is the challenge with RAS. Yes. Yeah. And I'm going to be honest.

Like, I'm not a big, big fan of RAS personally. Because I feel like they're a little bit too liberal with what they will give a score out for. Interesting. Like, you know, Shamar Stewart. Yeah. They gave, oh, he's a perfect 10. He didn't do any shuttles. So, like, we're calling it.

Everyone thinks, you, oh, he's this great athlete. He's incredibly stiff. He didn't do the shuttles because he can't turn. He's a straight line athlete. So if a guy just decides, I'm not going to do this test, I'm not going to do that test. I'm going to inflate my score. I'm not super crazy about it. I also have a quick RAS take.

And I'm not like, I think it's awesome. Yeah, it's great to have it. It's a resource I use. I just want to, like, my quick RAS take is there's a school of thought that the Eagles are using RAS testing or I'm sorry, RAS scores. And my, I suppose I don't need to say RAS scores because the S is scores there. My take here is that the Eagles have access to all. that same data.

So they can have, so they presumably have their own proprietary formula, okay, that is not RAS that's publicly available, but that's based on the information they put in. And it's a predictive model based, you know, they have GPS data. They have a lot. So they can put in more, you know, there's there's more inputs they can put in to come up with a score that is not standardized online, but standardized in their database that allows them to make decisions that might come out seeming as if they're relying on RAS score on RAS data but really they have their own format is that uh is that a fair assumption

to make howie Roseman Al Calaby Allen walking like they don't have Kentley Platts on push notifications from Twitter right they're they're not waiting on every update from RAS now again for us on the outside it's a good yeah exactly it's the same way like the previous like the Spark scores that that would get put out like that's that's very useful uh so being able to have that is good for us on the outside. But yeah, all 32 teams, they're using, they have people that have their own athletic models to paint that picture. Exactly. So that said, I created a 20 player sample with Miles Hinton. Julia, let's take a look at the first graphic here. These are players that were drafted on day one, so rounds one through three with these.

And again, these are, this is what makes Miles Hinton so interesting. I pulled a 20 player sample. A lot of these players went in the first three rounds of the draft. So when you're talking about physical tools. That's why you get so excited about a Miles Hinton. You go through a lot of these guys went early in the draft. Now, did all these guys hit? Absolutely not. You're looking around. You see some guys that stuck for as starters, others that did not. You see some Eagles up there. We see Tyler Steen is on this list, right? There's all different variations in terms of guys that stuck and guys that did not. Julie, if you go to the day three version of the graphic as well, you can see that those guys, again, kind of mixed results. A lot of these guys did stick as backup.

some of these guys are a little bit younger, obviously, so we're still waiting, but, you know, there were guys that typically if you have that skill set for Miles Hinton, you're going relatively early in the draft. Now, as I'm going through, I'm like, all right, like, who feels the most like Miles Hinton? I ended up with former New York Giants third round pick,

Matt Paird. That's who I was, okay, all right. Now I feel more qualified to give my, that's exactly what? So what was it that drew you to Matt Pairt? Well, just the size comparison to, and the college experience. as well. Yeah, you know, apparently he played more. That was the one thing is I didn't feel like it was a perfect comp.

Parrott played more. He was longer. He had like 36 and a half inch arms. Hinton was stronger than Perret. Like I, I remember I went back and reread my profile on him this morning. He needed a lot of strength development. Like he just got run through with power.

That's not an issue when I'm looking at Hinton. Hinton has got a pretty good anchor act, honestly. A lot of his issues are technical and it's like, you know, light a fire under him kind of deal. like, you know, just kind of, you know, get him to physically dominate the guy across from him more often. But physically and then like athletic testing, I thought that this was a pretty good comparison. I like that.

Let's go to Cameron Williams? Yes. All right. So Cameron Williams, unique body type, six foot five and three quarters, 317 pounds, 11 and 3 eighths inch hands, gigantic hands, 34 and a half inch arms, 84.5 inch wings. So a lot of physical measurables that we can point to is kind of outliers there. Now, the only thing is the weight has fluctuated big, big, big. time with Cameron Williams. Now he came in 317 at the combine. That is like as light as he has been in a long, long time. He put on a lot more weight from Pro Day even. He was much heavier than that

throughout the course of his career. He played heavier than that this past year at Texas. So I went with anybody between 6-5 and 6-7, anyone over 315 pounds. I was very generous with that, with that number, but 315 pounds, 83 and a half edge wing spam. That turned out an 18 player sample. Julia, if we want to go through the day one and day two selections here, you see Germain Fetti, former Eagle Leravon Clark, you see a former first round pick there in Isaiah Wilson. Matt Parrott showed up on this list.

Another former Eagle and Tyree Phillips, J.C. Latham, Patrick Paul, and Vince's guy, Kieran Amagaji from Yale from last year, day two pick from the Chicago Bears. And then when you get into day three, which is obviously where Cameron Williams went, you see more of these guys that showed up as well. And I think that the big thing, honestly, looking at this, even from the day one options and the day two options, there weren't any like plus starters. There weren't a lot of guys that like hit and were big time starters from this group. But a lot of guys that stuck as swing backup types, guys that have last in the league as like your fifth officer or your sixth offensive line. you see Matt Pryor on this list.

So Oluido has been a swing tackle for a long time now in the NFL. So you just kind of go through and he's like, all right, a lot of these guys have stuck. They just didn't quite hit like as a, you know, top end ceilings. The player where I thought, though, when I looked at it and I was like, you know what, he's a lot of similarities here, Isaiah Wilson. Yeah, yeah. Isaiah Wilson, he's not in the NFL anymore to do, like off-field situation there.

But I think when you're looking at Wilson, like from a physical standpoint, from a play standpoint. There are a lot of similarities here. Cameron Williams, 6.5 and a quarter. Wilson was under an inch taller, but pretty similar. He was listed 350, which again, Cameron Williams, like, played closer to 350 than where he came in at the combine. The arm length and the wingspan were very, very similar there. Cameron Williams did not test. Isaiah Wilson had an RAS of 727, which is a below average number. I think that Williams would have been somewhere in that area. He would have tested well for a bigger guy, but wouldn't have been, you know, on. firing there from a movement standpoint. Wilson only had 24 starts. Williams had 16. And then they had some similarities across the board when you're looking at like win rate and things of that nature. But at the end of the day, they were like, holy cow, height weight speed, like developmental projects with boom, bust potential. Now, Wilson went in the first round, which like seemed crazy at the time, was seen as a big swing. Obviously, it was a swing and a miss and he was out of the league within two years. but I think when you're looking at Williams

to take that stab late in the draft, I think that's perfectly fine. Okay, I like that too. And yeah, Wilson was overdrafted. Mine, understandably ambitious in that this guy was the number four overall pick. And there might be scouting a helmet and scouting the last name here.

Yeah. But I went with Mike Williams, the offensive lineman from Texas. Yeah, it was number four overall pick. Wow. Actually, you know, Jason Peters kind of usurped him as the top offensive lineman there. But similarly, you know, a right tackle at Texas struggled with weight issues.

I actually got to, I did a big story on Mike Williams back in 2010 at the Washington Post when he was trying to make it in Washington. Interesting. And yeah, it was like similar profile coming out now. Mike Williams was an All-American who he stayed in college. So probably similar to if Cameron Williams came back next year. Yeah. But the early career at Texas, there's some comparison.

You know, he said he said he was expecting to go day two. He said, yeah, he said second and third round. That's what he was thinking. Yeah. I mean, that's. And that's why he came out. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. It's, uh, I'm really, I've made this point very, I was very adamant with the quarterbacks, but I'm starting to feel like basically everywhere. Like if there's like any doubt, like just, just go back. Like just go back to school and just say, you know, make that money that you're going to make at the college level and continue to develop. But, um, but, um, but yeah. So that's Cameron Williams.

And then finally, Antoine Powell Ryland. Yeah. Yeah. This is an interesting one. And honestly, it's kind of like the Ty Robinson one where there are some unique physical characteristics that make doing this comp relatively easy. That's how I didn't, I didn't love who I landed on, but we'll get to that. 6.025. So six, just over 6.2 and a half, 258 pounds. So a thicker frame for a shorter, squattier frame, 31 to a quarter inch arms, very, very short arms. He had an 8.5. 8.50 RES score. So I went no taller than 6.3.5.

No longer than 32.5 inch arms, must be bigger than 250 pounds. That created a 9.5. 19 player sample. Let's take a look at the early round picks here for Antoine Powell Rylan. There are some guys that we're able to certainly make an impact. We see some former Eagles up here on this list. So he's out Yonik and Gokwe, Derek Barnett, Charles Harris, Ryan Anderson, Caleb on Chasand with the Jacksonville Jaguars, Tully Tuolatu is one that just hit with a similar kind of profile. And big time sack producer at USC. Yeah, right. That's a good point. That's a really good point. Byron Young had a huge year, his final year at Tennessee, but only played one season, Chop Robinson last year with Penn State.

So those were players that stood out from the first couple days of the draft. Obviously, Rylan goes late in the draft. So let's go, let's look at some of the day three comps. This is a lot of wide ranges of guys that stuck and guys that did Carl Lawson. Carl Lawson, anytime there's a pass rusher that's not like a wow athlete, he's got really short arms. It's like, oh, this guy's going to be Carl Lawson. So he's like the poster child here.

But Alton Robinson, Syracuse, he's on this list. Mike Dana has stuck with the Kansas City Chiefs and he's kind of an inside outside player. He was someone that would be a fair comparison if you wanted to point to this body type. I don't think that Rylan is the same kind of interior presence that Dana is. So I struggled with that. I almost went with Bradley and I. I went and reread my notes on Bradley and I. He was a day three pick of the Dallas Cowboys back in 2020.

And now I had a little bit more power to him than I think what Powell Rylan does. I almost went with Alton Robinson. Alton Robinson was a little bit more explosive. He was like a pure like speed, like time to snap and get off the ball kind of rusher. I think that when I'm looking at Powell Ryle and he's a little bit craftier. So then I'm looking, I'm like, all right, like, who were just like from a characteristic standpoint matched? This guy didn't hit, but it's the third name on this list. That's Jordan Brailford previously of Oklahoma State.

So I'll go through some of the numbers here, tail the tape wise. Same exact height. When it came within about a half an inch of arm length, six pound difference from a weight standpoint. So very similar body type. Testing wise, Powell Riland had an 8.5. RAS, Braillefort was 8.49. So basically the same exact testing profile. 40 yard dash, they were 0.03 seconds apart.

The 10-yard split, 0.02 seconds apart. The vertical jump, they were half an inch apart. Broad jump, they were 2 inches apart. So testing profile, physical profile, exactly the same. Powell Rylan started seven more games and was more productive. Like, that's the big thing. And that's what makes Powell Riland unique is that he's got an underwhelming, like, physical profile.

Like, you don't love the arm length, but the production speaks for itself. When you looked at Brailford, he had a good final year with Oklahoma State, but didn't really do much before that. He was more like Alton Robinson from production standpoint, but I got it to one of the reasons why I didn't love that comp. So I didn't love, I didn't have like one great comp I felt great about here with Powell Island,

but that said, it was an interesting player. And Carl Lawson, like I said, he's kind of like the gold standard of the short arm pass rusher from day three that you want to be able to hit. That would obviously be an outstanding outcome here for the Eagles. Yeah. So mine's an ambitious one. Shocker.

Sorry about that. What do you got? Abdul Carter. Von Miller. Harold Landry. Harold Landry. Just in terms of the play style, 16 and a half sacks when he was at Boston College's junior year.

Testing wise, I mean, not apples for apples, but similar. But like I think, now you really need to squint. I'm not saying Powell Rylind is going to be Harold Land. Harold Langer is one of the top pass rushers in the NFL. But, you know, so I violated the final rule. That's what I'm going to call it where, like, you can't compare a six. I would love that, the final rule. You can't compare a sixth round pick to, you know, to a pro bowl player.

But Harold Langerie, just in terms of the pass rush style is what is what made me think of. Killing round 465. Yeah. I actually, I thought he would have, he would have tested out. No, yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, he had 32 and seven inch arms. Yeah.

Interesting. Yeah. I think of him as a better athlete than what he tested as. 252 pounds, so he's above the 250 pound threshold. Yeah, I think he was. Yeah, so when I was, so the way I did it too, by the way, like in addition to watching the clips of him, I put in the players who had that type of sack production. Like, you know, I know there were comps to Muhammad Kamara.

Muhammad Kamara was just a much smaller player than, then Powell Rylan. So I looked at the, at the double-digit sack. at the double just sack seasons in college. And then I put the thresholds in terms of like the height, weight speed. And that's where how that's where Howard Landry popped out. And it's like, so the conversations like that, like thought process like that, you know, Bo and I on the draft show, the PHAI draft show this offseason, we did like the analytical outliers and the players that we were worried about.

Those are the conversations that teams have all from like January to April, just trying to like predict out like, hey, like let's look at this player, this group of pass rushers. Here are 15 pass rushers that are likely to go on day three. Who are the ones that are most likely to hit? And you start having those kind of discussions and do those kind of projects. That's how teams trying to find the target. Who are some players that we want to try and get up the board,

make sure they're on the board and give our stamp of approval here as we get closer to the draft? So as I listen to tonight's show on the ride home from France Film Review tonight, a few of the notes I'm going to have that I'm lamenting is that I have not mentioned yet, the P.H-L-Y Liberty Open, which is coming. up on June 14th. Shotgun start. Shotgun start, okay? Which means everyone starts at the same time.

It's at Valleybrook Country Club. Okay, I should have mentioned that earlier. I apologize that I did not. You're too late in the game to go to France Film Review tonight. Sold out. Can't wait for that. I see it set up. It's a perk of being a diehard.

Franz, the best draft analyst in the business. Eagles fans should appreciate the fact that he does so much work on the Eagles because he does the entire league. here at all city. We have some great events coming up as well. And we should also point out that next week, we're going to have more information for you in the coming days, but we're going to have a special show for the NFL schedule release

a week from tomorrow next Wednesday. So that's my wife's second favorite day of the NFL season is the day the schedule is released. It's the favorite day. The day the season's over. Yeah. So for three favorite days of the day, the drafts are.

over the season's over and the schedule release. So make sure you tune in to and make that your first screen, by the way, when the schedule comes out, right? You don't need a screen? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we're going to have,

it's going to be fun. We have a lot planned for that. Unclear says we want Ospreys. We're going to have some Ospreys information for you soon. I don't want to speak that. The Ospreys are Bose baby. And so I'm going to make sure. Not literally.

He's got the, yeah. Well done. well done. I would never speak for Bo with the Ospreys, but we're, I promise you this is not going to be a rush job. This is something that is in the planning stages already. And yeah, this has been fun. I always love doing Fran shows. I'm going to miss the one-on-one time with Fran here because Bo's coming back here any day, but not tomorrow because tomorrow's going to be rich and I doing in Beau's honor for Bo's final day of paternity. We're going to do a mailbag.

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