PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Draft, CB: Even with Quinyon Mitchell & Cooper DeJean, could Maxwell Hairston be the pick?

Episode Date: April 16, 2025

The Eagles seem to be loaded with young cornerbacks with Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean and Kelee Ringo (who is actually a year younger than Quinyon), but there’s still room for more in an NFL Draft class that includes interesting players like Will Johnson, Maxwell Hairston, Shavon Revel, Azareye’h Thomas, Trey Amos and Benjamin Morrison. Zach Berman and Bo Wulf debate the merits of using another early-round pick on a corner while Fran Duffy provides his expert analysis. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast. P.H.O.I. Eagles show. Whatever you want to call it, presented by True Mark Financial. Bo Wolf, Zach Berman, Zach, we are eight days away from the NFL draft. We are here to talk cornerbacks, maybe a little bit of leftovers from yesterday's Howie Roseman, Nick Siriani session. The All-City NFL draft expert, Fran Duffy, is going to join us, but most of all, how are you doing? Doing great. Excited to see you. Next time I see you in person. I imagine, well, we'll see you might be a, a father of three then. So I'm excited for all that's coming in your life. And just to get it on the record, I prefer PHLY Eagles show to Eagle to P.HLY Eagles podcast because I think a big part of what we do is

the YouTube element being in studio. When I hear podcast, I'm thinking audio. I'm thinking this is, this is bigger than that. You know how I feel is what is difficult is when someone asks me what I do and I say like, well, I, you know, I host an Eagles podcast. It's like, then now all of a sudden I got to explain like, well, you know, like it's more than just a podcast. And like, you know, when I go to the doctor's office, the doctor's looking at me like I got three heads. But that's your job?

Yes. I know. I mean, it's ridiculous. But here we are. Well, it's not ridiculous. I think it's, it's, it's big time work. I mean, I would say it's ridiculous. I, it's big time work. It's, it's, it's my life's work.

Yikes. All right. Any other any leftover thoughts? By the way, thank you to Hansen Rich for running the show yesterday. He did a very good job. Were there any like leftover thoughts? Because you went right on. Sure. Yeah. Howie and Nick. Anything that was ruminating in your brain that you were not able to discuss on the show yesterday. Well, I am curious your perspective on, on some of the answers. I thought Howie speaking about defensive tackles relative to edge rushers and, but a big, you know, he had the last sentence of, of, of, he said stood out, which is these guys are expensive for agents, which is something that, or expensive on the open market, which is something that I've harped on before, that one thing the Eagles put a lot of time thinking, I'm thinking about it, and you can say it's overthinking, you can say too much might be made of it, but just as Fran does in his, in his grades, kind of the expected value of the player, one thing the Eagles consider is if they hit on a pick,

especially a first round pick, what's the delta between what that player's giving? you and what his actual value is. And so a defensive tackle, an edge rush or an offensive tackle, it's obviously much greater. Now, to be fair, I do think you can get in trouble with that. I think if you're chasing that too much at the expense of staying true to your evaluations, you can get in trouble that way. You miss Kyle Hamilton.

Yeah. Right. And so I think, you know, maybe that's a tiebreaker. But, you know, at 32 or, you know, even a modest trade up or trade back when, you know, the best players that you want are going to be off the board and you're left to pick the best of what's available. I don't know if it's going to necessarily play out that way. We will see.

I also thought it was interesting hearing how we talk about drafting at the bottom of the first round where he said, you know when you're in that spot, you're not going to trade up for, you know, into like the top 10, 15. So you really have to do your homework. You have to have a sense of how the draft is going to go.

We've spoken in past years. Do you think that means that they just don't do a lot of work on Cam Ward? You know, like, why waste time? Well, it goes to the other question that the question I kind of asked for you, which, which, yeah, but it was a worthwhile question. And I kind of added the, how does that factor in? How do these draft evals factor in your down the road thinking? And he said they go back to these and we've seen that. And perhaps they over index it because when a guy has a four has, you know, when Terrace Marshall Jr. is four years in the league, that that trumps his, his time at LSU. That said, they have this internal database where they keep all their notes.

and especially things like whether it's personality or work ethic. So, you know, they can, the injury history, they can really go back and look at their grades there. So they do work on those guys. But I think, you know, you've really pinpointed, and I think you've done a good job with it the past few years, how the Eagles kind of have a target, and they'll go and get that target, right?

And we've seen that in the past. And when you're at 32, I don't know if you can really have that type of target. You can have like a group of players. And if any of these players are here at 24, you trade up for them. But you don't go into the draft saying you want to land this guy. Whereas when you're drafting number 10, you can say, we want to land Jalen Carter. When you're drafting number, what was it, 14 or 13,

you say, we want to land Devante Smith for Patrick Sertan or J.C. Horn, right? And so there's, I think you have to be a little more broad in your approach when you're drafting at 32. The other thing I wanted to touch on from what they talked about yesterday is just the Dallas Goddard discussion. I'm trying to think about the next level here, and they're putting it out so much that they're ready to get rid of Dallas Goddard. They don't think he's worth this money, both publicly and behind the scenes, the stuff they're playing out. I find it hard to think that this is not at least 50% a negotiating tactic. And the thing that they really want is for him to come back for a little bit less money.

Now, I don't think that Dallas Goddard wants to do that. And maybe that's the line in the sand that they've drawn. But I don't think that they are as committed to getting rid of Dallas Goddard as they want everybody to think. Also, you just think about it from a negotiating standpoint on the trade front. What leverage do you have if you're telling everybody you want to get rid of this guy? You're right. I do think the best outcome for the Eagles is Goddard coming back at a lower number.

I don't think that's happening, especially after the Trade Macbroad contract. I hear what you're saying about their approach and I do spend time thinking about their approach. One thing that it could be is them trying to prepare fans for this, right? When they trade CJ Gardner Johnson, it's like, where's this coming from? This could be the type of thing where they wanted to be almost expected that he's gone. So when it does happen, it's like, oh, yeah, this is old news. We already knew this with this, what this was happening.

That might not be the case. Now there are incentives for the egos for this to not happen until, June 1st. There are from a cap perspective. I think the Eagles are kind of willing to take it on the chin with the cap. I thought, and, you know, there is a, you know, the thing with June 1st, I'm not trying to like, you know, educate the fans here. Just a thing with June 1st is the reason the cap numbers lower this year after June 1st

is because half of that spread to next year, right? So it's, it's so you kind of spread it over two years. But one thing you might hear from teams is that they want to take it on the chin now to clear the books the following year. So if the Eagles are saying they're not going to be aggressive with cap space this year, they would rather be more aggressive with cap space next year. And that's a different conversation than the cash, then you want to take it on the chin now.

If you want that type of flexibility, it does behoove you to wait until after June 1st. Okay. Do we have our man? Now, if you are a diehard, I hope that you have checked out all-phol.com today because there is a mock draft in there that is not just one round, not just two rounds, not just three rounds,

not just four rounds, not just five rounds, not just six rounds, a seven round mock draft courtesy of the man himself, Fran Duffy, Fran, do you feel like you've birthed this thing into the world to steal Zach's book metaphor?

I would not quite put it on that scale, nor would I put it on the scale of publishing a book for the third time either. So it was fun. It was a couple, two and a half days, three, about three days worth of work went into that thing. But yeah, it's a fun part of the process. I enjoy doing a seven-round mock. I've done it the last few years just as an exercise on my own. So doing it now to be able to publish is a lot of fun.

I have a question about the mock if I can. Please. Let's get it. The process. Yeah. If you don't mind here. Because when I do first-round mocks, I'm guilty of this is that I'll do it and I'm like, you know what, I don't like that pick at 13.

You change 13 and it changes everything there after, right? I can't imagine what that must be like with the seventh round mock when you're like, you know what, this third round pick, I want to adjust that. But then you adjust that and everything thereafter is affected. So how that would cause me such an ease or anxiety, whatever word you want to use. Yeah, it's one of those things where I go about it like, all right, I'm going to do. pick number one and I am I am this is what I think uh the the Tennessee Titans are going to do and then it's pick number two pick number three if I start thinking oh well you know I really like

this player here or that player there that's the obviously that's not how reality works but then also I know that if I put that level of thought into each pick in the moment then I won't second guess it when I get later now at the end of the day there are picks where you know like I got to Mason Taylor he goes like mid stages around too I'm like all right like this is going to be I put it in the write up. This is later than where he's probably going to go. Like everything I had been hearing over the last few days is that Mason Taylor could go earlier than what we're typically discussing with him. But, you know, I live with it. I move on.

It's one exercise. And next week, I'll have my final one round mock draft the morning of the day, of the day itself. And so that's where all the final thoughts can be put to paper. Before we get to the Eagles picks, was there a pick in the first round that you were like, oh, you know what? I feel good about that one. And it's not one that has been like, you know, super linked ahead of time. Well, I put the Ashton Gentile at Jacksonville. That was off some entire.

I've had a couple people say that that is not something that's like, that could happen is Ashton Gently and number five to Chicago. Well, James Gladstone is reinventing football. And so he knows more than anybody else who's ever covered, who's ever run a draft before. So whatever he makes, whatever decision he makes is going to be the right one, I imagine. Of course. I've heard, I've heard a lot about, or I shouldn't say, I have not heard a lot about Donovan Azaraku going to Tampa Bay at 19. That's one I feel really good about. Um, the, you know, there are just a few, there are a few in there. I'm like, yeah, you know what, like this one made, this, this just makes sense. You know, Tyler Booker at 25 to Houston. Uh, yeah, there are, there a handful in there. Here's, here's one. The Rams at 31, uh, taking a mecha, Buka, uh, out of Ohio State. Oh, I like that. That is one that I really like that fit.

I could see that being a player that they would like and they would want to try and see if they can replicate Cooper Cup with what Egbuka brings to the table. How do you divorce the evaluator from the forecaster when you do this? I have to, you know, and it's one of those things where, you know, I'm able to separate this is what I'm hearing versus what I'm seeing and everything that, you know, that's what,

even if you go into the diehard draft guide and you say that, oh, well, I've got Donovan Azaraku, right, because my, you know, number 11 edge rusher. But if you go over to where the projected round is, it's like, all right, projected round one, round two. You know, it's basically just try and separate constantly between what I'm hearing versus what I'm seeing with a player.

All right. Let's get into the Eagles picks that you have here. Let's run through it, baby. At 32, the Eagles are trading down, picking up a fourth round pick, moving four spots, and they're taken at 36 in the second round, a player we've talked quite a bit about, Nick Scorton from Texas A&M. Tell us about it. Yeah, I mean, this is a player that is, I think I mentioned it was the last,

week on the show was it Friday that it was Francis's favorite player. How would you feel about Nick Corton? He's next to me just hanging out. But to me, Nick Scorton, he's an Eagles kind of defense event. I think that he fits with a Vic Fangio style because of his violence, the way that he wants to play the run. I think that when you watched him this past year, he played north of 280 pounds.

You know, he said at the Combine that he'd rather play in the 260s is where he was two years ago when he led the Big Tenon and Sacks at Purdue. And so I think honestly, like seeing pictures of him now, you know, we saw the Brandon Graham picture when he visited the NovaCare Complex last week is so much different than what we saw from him this past year. I don't think the weight was particularly good on him. Now, he could get up to it. And in an NFL weight room, maybe it looks a little bit bigger if it's done with a little bit more purpose. But I like the fit of squirting to the Eagles. Okay.

In the second round, your boy, Elijah Arroyo lasts all the way till 64. They get their young tight end of the future. the explosive playmaking upside. Yeah, this is a player. He hasn't come in for a visit or anything that we know of, but when you're looking at Arroyo, just the dynamic qualities after the catch, that's something that we've always pointed to with Dallas Goddard.

It's kind of a separator for him compared to other tight ends in the game, and I think that that's something that Arroyo certainly brings. Any thoughts? You're going to keep going? I think we should keep going. Yeah, we get these. I mean, I have thoughts, but I would like to keep going.

Third round, Penn State Safety. Jalen Reed. I'm sorry, I jumped ahead. Yeah. Different Jailen. Jalen Travis, the big six foot eight offensive lineman out of Iowa State, who has had a pre-draft visit with the Eagles. Yeah, Zach, correct me from wrong.

Was that one that did you break that one? Yeah. I mean, let's not act like, yeah, that was, I got, I lucked into one. I lucked in there. You didn't look into it. You built over the course of many years a following to the extent that one of your followers tipped you off to it. That's great.

Okay. All right, fair enough. But yeah, Jalen Travis, I like them on film. I didn't. not think he had a great week in Mobile at the Senior Bowl. But when I watch Jalen Travis on film, this is a guy that's got left tackle, right tackle versatility, big body blockers,

got great length. I like his power in the run game. I like his anchor at the point of attack, or his anchor handling a bull rush started at Princeton. So we might have to have Coach Flynn on if he ends up being an Eagle selection. But I think when you're looking at Jalen Travis, he feels like an Eagles type of tackle. Didn't play football until late in his high school career.

was a basketball player, his whole family were all basketball players. They were all Hoopers out in Minnesota. So he goes under-recruited, goes to Princeton, starts there, then moves over to Iowa State and didn't miss a beat. I liked the film, like I said. So he would make a lot of sense for me. Also interned for Senator Abbey Clopichich. I'm sorry, Senator Abbey Clobuchar.

Amy Clobuchar. Amy Clobuchar. Good story on Princeton's website about it. Great. We are going to have Coach Flynn on the show on Monday. whether I'm here or not, talking wide receivers. So I look forward to that. And we can ask him about AB Clobetrotron.

Now, Jalen Reed, you have as one of the two fourth round picks, the safety from Penn State. We're going to talk a little bit about him on tomorrow's show when we do safety's friend with Sean Syed. And then Barrett Carter, the Clemson linebacker we've talked about. Is this a guy who you think could compete to start week one? I do. Just because I think when you're looking at Barrett Carter,

you know, he's, look, a former teammate of Jeremiah Trader Jr., I think he's more athletic than Trotter. I think that Trotter was probably a little bit more instinctive, maybe a little bit stronger through contact, like defeating blocks. But I think that the upside is a little bit higher with Carter from an athleticism standpoint. I think they would be fine. Bring him in, let him compete with Trotter for that spot opposite Zach Bond while the Kobe Dean is on the mend.

And so to me that that one made some sense there. It would not surprise me if Barrett Carter, if they took him, he's one of those Red Star players. I think there's a lot of like checkmarks that they would like. there. Okay. I like that. And then four fifth round picks. We have talked a little bit about Elijah Roberts from SMU who has that sort of defensive tackle, defensive end versatility of the three other picks. Syracuse, running back, LeQuint Allen, your boy, Zach. Ohio State defensive tackle, Ty Hamilton and Virginia Tech wide receiver DeQuan Felton. Which of those three do you

like the most? I think I liked the Allen fit the most of those four. Yeah, I think, honestly, you guys did such a great job of highlighting in the running back show, like what the Eagles look for at the position, some of the markers, some of the through lines that we've seen with their pickups. And, you know, La Quint Allen, he's a guy that a lot of his value comes on third down in the past game.

He's a highlight receiver, but also contributes well as a blocker. Big-bodied kid doesn't have a lot of wear and tear. So I think that he checks a lot of markers there for what we've seen from the Eagles and some of the running backs they've selected in recent years. Your son is a star. It's just killer.

It is a star. I mean, if you are just listening, yeah, this is audio, you have got to watch to see Francis. I'm trying to stay locked in.

I'm trying. The thing is is that I was on earlier today with, uh, with DLS and with CHGO with DNVR and I was like, look, those guys, because he kept coming over and I was like, save it for Bo.

I was just save it for Bo, Bo, Bo will be very happy to see you. And he was, he was like, oh, can I come and say hi to Bo. Uh, I said, yeah,

you can come to add a bow. I mean, listen, tough week, school's off. Like, Yes. You got to do what you got to do. No doubt about it.

Exactly right. All right. Let's take a quick break and then we're going to come back and talk corners. Friends, I don't want to speak for you. Favorite position to evaluate? It's one of my favorites to evaluate for sure. I love watching corners. All right.

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Who they signed from the Johnny, Dory Jackson. Do you think a, do you think a cornerback in the first two rounds, first three rounds, let's say, is a reasonable addition for the Eagles? It's probably not the, best case scenario.

I wouldn't like completely poo-poo it if the, if the player's right, right? So to me, like if it's, uh, the value is too good. Like, for instance, I love Chavon Revel, right? The corner from ECU. I love,

I love his film. We'll talk about him at some point. And to me like, all right, he, he is worthy in a vacuum of the 30 second overall pick. Would I, would it make sense for the Eagles to take him at 32? Like, I don't know. But at the end of day, I'm fine with just getting good players. And so when I look at Chavon Revel, I say,

yeah, like I love the player. I would be really excited by it. I just don't know if it's like the ideal use of the resource. Well, and the good news is this is a position where you can find ways to get guys on the field. Right. If you have too many good corners, that's fine. You will find a way to get them on the field. And I do think that given the way that football works, right,

is if you've got one week link in the secondary, that guy's going to get picked on. And so if you don't think that Keeler Ringo is ready to be a week one starting corner and ready for prime time. If your board is set such that a corner is at the top of the board in round one or round two, yeah. Like, I don't think that that's a bad pick. And I also think about like Vic Fangio's defense, maybe a little bit more back to front.

I don't know. I don't think it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, I don't anticipate them taking a corner in the first round, but the fact that they've brought in corners show that this is a position that, you know, they're not sitting this one out, right? So they are doing their work on it, and it is, it's never bad to have good young corners.

My question to you, from a big picture perspective, is where do you think Quineon Mitchell and Cooper DeGine would rank if they were in this class? And Cooper DeGine in particular, he was an early entry, so he would have been in this class had he stayed. I don't mean to put you on the spot on that one. The reason I ask is, last year was an abnormality that the first corner went number 22 overall, right typically and we'll see that this year two corners can go in the top five top eight this year but i'm i'm curious how quinyon and cooper would stack in this year's group um one second i'll tell

you uh so i had i mean Travis hunter would be corner one i had after that i had a higher grade on cooper de jean i had a higher grade on quinine mitchell and then it would be will johnson and then it would be sravon revel uh and then it would be Terry and Arnold. So in that order and then looking at that stack. There you go. So there you go. Cooper Degine would have been cornerback to Quinnia Mitchell. And they were, they had almost the exact same grade for me. I had Cooper just slightly ahead. This is a good, this is a good like look back flex that you were, you were just a little higher on Cooper Degine than most people. Yeah, I, I loved watching Cooper Degine. He is his film,

especially, you know, taking it in both years like his sophomore film and his junior film, just because he was dealing with the injury, you know, later on as a junior, he was a phenomenal player at Iowa. I like the question in the chat, where would TAY Gowan rank? But the other thing we're going to get to it, I think in the second part.

It's a gallon part? When we get to the day three stuff. I do think that if they don't draft a corner early, which is probably a little bit unlikely, I think I would be surprised if they don't try to add an Avanti Maddox type on day three. Yeah. You know, a guy who could provide cover for Cooper to Gene, somebody who's maybe a little bit undersized,

feisty, zone awareness. Just put that in the back of your mind, and we can talk about some of those guys who might fit that later on. But at the top, I don't think we need to spend much time on Travis Hunter. He's awesome. He's going to go in the first three picks. Actually, you know what? I want to know, Zach, what would you do with Travis Hunter? I mean, I would.

I would play him on both sides of the football until and unless he doesn't, he's not able to do it. I hear coaches say that there's just not enough meeting time in the week for you to play both sides of the ball. I think he's an exceptional player on both sides. I think that he's probably better as a corner than as a wide receiver, but I think that the wide receiver is harder to find in this year's class from my perspective than the corner. Not that that should factor into it. But I would try to play him on both sides until he gives you a reason not to play on both sides. I'm going to start him somewhere though, right? He's got a major in something.

Yeah. So I guess you look at your depth chart. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's, I don't want to compare it to Otani. But if you can do two things well, why take one off the table? Yeah. I think that's fair. All right. Will Johnson, number two, from Michigan.

6-1-94, 22 years old, slightly short arms. Had a better season in 2023 than 2024. probably not going to be there for the Eagles, but is a player who like, I don't know if you're thinking about a trade up to like 24? Is that like, is that possible? Why do you like Will Johnson so much, Fran?

Yeah, I think that he, he's great from off coverage, reading it out like a Sante Samuel style. Like that, to me, like that, that is the way Will Johnson's honestly my favorite style of the corner. So far. This is, this is what he does

and he does it at a very, very high level. Now, the thing is that this is the way that Quinnian Mitchell was used. at Toledo and that was the knock on the the knock on quinion was like oh it's all off coverage uh he's not there's never any press he can't turn and run to me like the few reps you saw of him in press where he was asked to turn and run and play the ball vertically they looked really really good with will johnson it's it's not as good uh there's questions about the long speed the recovery speed there's questions about his just his feel and how much he panics down the field when the ball's in the air um and so to me

that's why I honestly like those I'm glad Zach that you asked the question about looking at quinion and Cooper versus these guys that was one of the things I felt really good about with quinion and then he goes down to the senior bowl and kind of cement it because you saw a lot of reps where he was asked to do it down in mobile we didn't get that with will Johnson but um to me that's where he wins off coverage read it out jump throws uh and that's where he stands out now if we take take a step back and talk about uh where the elite corners come from it's an interesting group because on the one hand, it is the position where age matters almost more than any other position. I think it's the second most

where it matters. However, it's also a position where there is the second highest after guard percentage of guys who come from outside of the big five schools. You can find a lot of small school elite corners and those guys often enter the league a little bit older. And so you want your like premier first round blue chip corners to be young guys from power five schools or they could be like a Quigionine Mitchell type, or you want to sort of look for the diamonds in the rough later. And that's part of the reason why, without even having watched any tape of him, I'm already with you on being skeptical of Jad A. Barron, who's, you know, 23 years old and maybe not elite.

How do you fall on John A. Barron? Because we know that we've talked with Fran that he's much lower on him than consensus. Yeah, I feel closer to Fran's side on this because he's someone who was on the field a lot before last season, right? And he came back forcing your ear and he got better. better and I give him credit for that. But for the reason you said, like I think corner so much of that is your physical attributes in addition to the way you play the position.

And I don't think that he was exceptional in those areas before he had a really good year at Texas. All right. Well, then I want to ask you then about Maxwell Hirston from Kentucky, Brian, who is sort of consensus four or five corner for you. You're a little bit lower on him. I think he's your cornerback seven. this is a player the Eagles brought in for a pre-draft visit.

He is 511, 183, so very slight. But young, he's super fast, not super physical. What would attract Maxwell Harrison to the Eagles? Yeah, I think that he's got traits for sure. He's a young player, you know, Redshirt Jr., so not like a super young, but Redshirt Jr., smooth athlete, fast twitch, ability to turn and close. I mean, broke 4-3 at the Combine. the speed is there on film.

I do worry about the play strength in all facets. I do think that that shows up when he's trying to contend with receivers midrout. That certainly shows up in the run game. His tackling is kind of all over the place, the run defense all over the place. For me, when I'm watching him, what makes him just a tick lower for me? And I still gave him a starting grade.

I think he's a solid starter. But to me, one of the guys that I thought of while watching him was Ronald Darby, where the athleticism is certainly there. he can be frustrating in the run game but the eyes and like the instincts especially in zone coverage were kind of all over the place like I thought he was better in terms of right like just play man to man like lock this guy up and just turn and run with this guy I think that he can do that um I will say he can be very grabby uh that that showed up on film illegal contacts uh flags we'll find him that was one of the things I wrote down while watching him and he he's just he

his eyes are always kind of all over the place even when he's in man he'll like tepeak to look back of the quarterback and then lose track of his guy. To me, he looks like a starting quality corner who will just be frustrating and it'll be a little bit volatile in that way. I'm curious about someone else, the Eagles brought in while we're kind of talking about Eagles centric players. This is someone who, yeah, came to Philly. Bow has been to his high school before.

That's Jacob Parrish, Jacob Parrish from Kansas State. I'm curious, your read on him because obviously the Eagles shown a degree of interest here. What? Just a funny little least. Easter egg to throw in there. Boas's been to the high school. Yeah. Yeah, I like Jacob Parris.

He's short. He's under 510, but he's a densely built. Yeah, densely built corner. He's got inside, outside versatility. He's young, as you mentioned. The production was pretty good overall. Like, he only had, he had one interception this year, but he had four last year, consistently got his hands on the ball, nine PbUs in 2023, 7 this past season.

I think when you're looking at Parrish on film, good speed. Like it was a four three guy in indie, but I thought that speed showed up on film. He covered ground quickly. He can close on throws in front of him. And I liked his route instincts. I thought that even though there was a decent amount of press on film,

he was very aggressive at the line of scrimmage and showed that ability to play with press, I actually liked him better from depth than that Asante Samuel type of mold there where I thought that he could really read things and close fast. He was flagged seven times last year. So the aggressiveness, I think, can be a little bit of a double-edged sword.

I like him more in the run game than what I talked about with Harrison. I like him more in the run game than even Will Johnson. But I think that that aggressiveness, again, that can work against him at times in coverage. Is that portend to move inside potentially? Yeah, I do think that a lot of people do view that he can come inside and be a really, really good nickel corner. I think he can play either. I'm not ruling him out to play on the outside. There are other guys where I feel like, yeah, that guy has to move in.

I don't feel that way about Parrish, but I do think that if he were to go to a team, you know, let's say the Eagles wanted to move Cooper Dugene outside. If you wanted to move him in, that's fine. If you wanted to leave him outside, I think you could do that with Parrish as well. I mean, it's a good, without crunching the tape, it's a good profile for Parrish aside from the height. So,

that's an interesting one. Zach, of the guys who are talked about sort of late first through the second round. So let's say Harrison, who we talked about, Trey Amos from Ole Miss, Azaree Thomas from Florida State, Chavon Revell, who will talk about

and Benjamin Morrison, who from Notre Dame? Who is your favorite of those guys? I know you've got your... Yeah, my favorite of those players is Benjamin Morrison. And I think Benjamin Morrison, it's not apples for apples, but similar to Cooper de Gene last year, where he got injured during the season that took some of the shine

off him. Now a hip injury is different than what the gene was doing with, so I don't know the details about Morrison's recovery. But I think if Morrison finished the season, If this is a guy who's playing in the college football playoff, he's on every TV set, I think the story might be different

because I really liked him as a true freshman. I liked him last year, well, I'm sorry, two years ago with Notre Dame. I just think he's a really good corner who's going to start in the NFL. It surprises me that he's falling down the board, and I have to imagine it's because of the injury. What do you think about Benjamin Morrison, Fran?

He is your 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, cornerback 8. Yeah, it's not just this injury, though, Zach. It's the, he actually had hip surgery in high school as well. So it's the second time he's had hit surgery on the hip. Same high school as Devin Allen,

by the way, former Eagles wide receiver. When you're looking at Morrison, he's going to be pumped to hear that. There you go. When you're looking at Morrison, A plus character and intangibles. Like the makeup is outstanding.

I think that when you watch, he's got the ability to play press or off. I thought the coverage instincts were solid, not great, not bad. I thought the athleticism, good, not great. I think enough speed to turn and run. I didn't think he had eight plus traits. And so that's why coming into the year, a lot of people had Morrison as like a top 10, top 12 type of pick. I watched him in the summer from off of 2023 tape. I didn't have him quite that high. I still saw a starter and he needs to get a lot better

in the run game. He's not good enough in the run game right now. But again, this is a guy that's got the right makeup. So you think he's going to put the work in to get better there. I do think he's a starter. I don't know that he's a super high level one, but if you've got Quignan Mitchell, you've got Cooper de Gene, you just need him to not have to be, he's not a liability. You feel good about that. Just buzzing through these guys. I just wanted to just see how they move and like how they tackle and stuff like that. So, you know, I'm just looking at quick YouTube highlights, just a quick rundown of these guys. Azarie Thomas, to me, sort of seems like an eagle's type. Now, you know, six one and a half, 196. He's only going to be 21 as a

rookie seemed to me physical and good good zone instincts you can tell me if I'm wrong there for and actually watching the tape but he did run a four or five eight so you got to be concerned about that but he seems to me like someone who might who might be a vic type of guy yeah I think that the I'm worried about the athletic system that that's my concern with Azare Thomas he's got good size good length he's built like a press corner but if you're going to play press you can win with physicality you can win with technique at the line you can lock guys up but part of the reason if you're playing press man

you know people look at Trayvon Diggs and Marshawn Lattimore and like oh they look at all the yards they gave up they look at the next gen stats you're gonna get beat when you play press man

like the guys are going to win off the ball receivers are too good if you run 4, 5, 8 and also like his like he's a little stiff too I'm a little worried about Azaria Thomas

from an athleticism standpoint so that's why I'm also like a touch lighter on him as well compared to others in the space but when you're looking at everything else I like. I like the competitiveness

he plays with an edge. I agree, like the zone instincts are really good. The ball skills on the unlimited opportunities, I thought were very, very strong. He only had one pick the last two years, but consistently he was able to get his hands on the ball. No panic down the field. I always talk about those routes that break at the intermediate area, like between like 12 and 18 yards, the deep digs, the deep comebacks, the deep out routes. He always reacts to those routes pretty well.

It's just the lateral stiffness and top end speed. You could see it at the senior bowl as well. like where he just kind of struggled on some of those, on those long linear routes just to kind of recover and keep up. He chose not to work out at the combine. And I think that was a smart move. I kind of put it off to the pro day.

And, you know, in 4-5-8, again, the athleticism is concerned. But just for context, do you still have him, he's your cornerback five. You have them ahead of Amos and Harrison. Right. Yeah. So basically all those guys, I have grades as like solid starters.

And he's at the top of that group just because all the other boxes check. Our chat. Go ahead. One quick question on someone who would fall in those middle rounds because this is the Madden player here. This is the one who if like this is a draft class in Madden, he's jumping out to you.

And that's Darien Porter. Like if the Eagles took Darian Porter, fans say, wow, six three and runs a four three. Oh, that stands out. But then he hasn't really done it. He must be a bad football player. Yeah, he hasn't done in a long college football career. But he's, but like six three.

430 is hard to ignore. Yeah, I mean, the traits are absolutely outstanding, you know, and all the GPS number. It wasn't like, oh, you didn't play fast. Like all the GPS numbers were really, really impressive with him as well, not just at the senior bowl, but going back to Iowa State as well. The big thing is, and you can excuse some of it because it's like, oh, well, he's a former receiver. He was a receiver when he first got there.

But he was the last time, a full-time broad wide receiver in 2021. So it's been three years at corner, didn't crack the starting line up until this year. and even then only started six games. So, you know, he played in a rotation at corner as a sixth year senior, third year at the position. There's something missing there. I'm letting somebody else take that bet when you get to day two. There have been like comparisons to Tariq Wollen.

Like, I just, I didn't see that level of player like on film. The route instincts were very, very up and down. The run game I thought was just okay. Now, the thing that can be the saving grace and is what is going to likely get him drafted at the end of day two is that he has been a dime, Animalite special teams player. He's played over 900 snaps on special teams over the course of his six-year career. And so that's more than any corner drafted in the last decade, just contextually. So he's played a ton of special teams. He's got a skill set that'll make them great

there. So if he's going to impact that part of the game, you say, all right, we can bring you along. I just have a problem with older players that are developmental on offense or defense. And that's kind of where Porter is. That's why I'm much lower on him than where he's going end up going. All right. Let's take a quick break. We'll come back and find out who might be those Avanti Maddox types and whatever else is going on. Well, listen, the bad news is, honestly, it's kind of good news. There's no more Sixers games this year. And there's now no more Flyers home games, but there's still all kinds of stuff going on in Philadelphia. And you know what the best place to go to is if you want tickets to those places for cheaper than you can get them anywhere else?

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Whatever the moment, it's never ordinary at bet 365. Must be 21 or older and physically located in PA. If you or someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1-800 gambler. Friend, the one guy we didn't ask you about that early-round group is Trey Amos from Ole Miss. I mean, 23 years old, bad vert. He's see some instincts, but he's in your sort of day two range, right?

Yeah, he's got outstanding ball skills, really good insight, to me, really good instincts. He's played a lot, solid run defender. The athleticism on film was just okay, and I was worried about the speed, but he goes to the combine, he runs low four, four, and he checked the box there. It's not great speed, but solid speed at the position. So I think that I feel more comfortable with him in the second round as opposed to the first round. But yeah, he's going to go somewhere in the top 50 picks. All right, Zach, you have a favorite day three guy.

So if Morrison doesn't qualify as a day three guy, let me look up here at some of those players that I was looking at. Zach, I've heard while you're talking, I've heard some buzz on Morrison to Washington at the end of the round, at the end of the first round. still despite the injury. So he could go that high still. Wow. Yeah, that would that would certainly surprise me. I know yours is Tommy Hill from Nebraska.

Yeah, corner four. Yeah, corner four. I just love the film. The thing is that there is some bad tape out from the end of when he's finished playing. And basically he got Planner fasciitis early on in the sea. It was like late September, early October.

And he tried to gut it out. the film wasn't great. They had him sit for a couple weeks. He tried to come back early. He got beat for a couple of bad touchdowns. And so then they sat him down for the whole season. It goes down to the senior bowl against advice from his people because he was not 100% yet. He told me at the combine that he was like under 80%.

It was like, yeah, but I hadn't played football in a while and I wanted to go down and play. It was just okay at the senior bowl. They got him to not do anything at the combine, which was good for him. But this is a big corner with physicality and competitiveness and great ball skills. great this is a guy that would have tested very, very well. Had he been able to participate at the Combine, he was on Bruce Feldman's freak list, like a 42-inch vert,

4-3 speed. Yeah, like, sign me up for Tommy Hill. This is a good, like, you know, only if you've really done your homework, will you appreciate this guy? Yeah, he's, I'm surprised that no one else is as high because I kind of thought, like, he looks like a top 50 player when I was watching him.

And he is that for me. I really, really like Tommy Hill. All right. I like Fran out on the limb. Well, I am curious Fran's view on both the Ohio State guys here because there are players that I've seen and they're players who typically when you're from Ohio State and you play as much as these guys did,

you would expect them to be a little higher up in the draft. That has not been the case. And so what's your read on those two? Yeah, I've got a better read on Burke overall. I think I've done one game on Hancock. Hancock has played inside and outside just a solid physical profile I wasn't moved overall by the skill side

I know that at the pro day he worked out pretty well but that wasn't necessarily what I saw on film so he's a player that I'm hoping in the next eight days that I can do another like game or two just to complete my write-up on him with Denzel Burke I was really high on him coming into the year

I thought that he was a day two like if he had come out in last year's draft I thought that he could be a second round choice and so then coming out I'm like going into the year, I thought, okay, he could take that next step and be a first round pick. That was my expectation. And he just didn't have a great year. He had some down moments.

You know, I think that when you're looking at him from a physical standpoint, the speed is okay. The run defense is just okay. The ball skills are up and down. So I like the flashes, but he's just that right now. He's a flash player that I was just hoping would have a better season overall. All right. that I posed earlier about like sort of an Avanti Maddox type, a guy who could could bring you some feistiness inside, maybe cover for Cooper de Gene there, some zone instincts, some, you know,

some football character, who potentially pops to mind day three for you? Well, it's fun. Like Chate A Barron. Johnny Barron. I think when, to me, like guys that fit that mold, I would say there are a couple the one that stands out above the rest would probably be Upton Stout from Western Kentucky. I had a different guy. Yeah, very undersized, you know, five, under five, nine, just about 180 pounds, really short arms, 30 inch arms.

But when you're looking at the overall production was pretty good, especially this year. He had eight TFLs this year. That's a really high number for the corner position. And it's representative of a guy that is just really aggressive and tenacious and plays downhill, very willing to run defender. And you watch him on tape and you absolutely see that. And I like his own instincts. I'm a little worried about him in man to man, very, very grabby on film.

And then that showed up in Mobile as well. Yeah, he's had a handful of penalties each of the last three years. And honestly, because he played a lot in the slot, you kind of have to dig through old film to find examples of him trying to find the ball late downfield and make a play on the ball in the air. And so that's fine if you're a nickel corner. To me, like I'm a little lower on Stout, like in terms of, I think a lot of people are like, oh, yeah, like Upton Stout is going to be

He should be a third round pick. I'm more in the day three camp. I think that he's a really solid player, but I felt the same way about Maddox, and Maddox turned into a fine nickel corner over the course of his career. I think the guy who fits the description you just had, and I'm curious, France thoughts on him,

is Kobe Bryant from Kansas, because Kobe Bryant from Kansas. You've been to his high school. I have been to Kobe Bryant, who did not go to college, his high school. I haven't been to Kobe Bryant from Kansas. I believe, though, he's from Evergreen, Alabama if memory serves? Correct. Okay. Yes. You guys are both just demented. You always remember

Evergreen, right? That's that's why I remembered it. Yeah, Kobe Bryant, it's hard from a like a testing perspective to kind of get behind him to Bo's point. He's a big school player who's been around for a while. He's he's older, but he was really productive in college, number one. And number two, he's known to have like the competitive toughness that Avanti Maddox had. And so now he didn't play, correct him from wrong, he didn't play a lot of slot when he was at Kansas, but he's someone who can play inside.

Is that right? Yeah, he, so I've got, yeah, he only played, he played under 3% of his snaps in the slide over the course of his career. He's primarily an outside corner. Six foot, 180 pounds. That might lead some people to think, oh, he's got, he is rail thin.

I will say, like, I saw him at the shrine ball up close. That was my first exposure to him. I hadn't done one film before then. I couldn't see him anymore. Yeah, he's, it's, he is really, really skinny. That said, he's one of those guys, like when you're out of practice, he will make his presence felt. Like he is, he is a chirper.

He is going after receivers. He is a fun player to study that shows up on film. He plays with a ton of confidence. He's played a ton of ball. I mean, 42 starts, over 2,600 snaps played. I think he's got a better feeling man than zone. I think when you just kind of put him up like tunnel vision, like, all right, lock in on this guy in front of you,

he's really good in that area. When he's playing in man, or when he's playing in zone has to read it out, which the Eagles obviously play a lot of zone. I thought he was just okay. He's been flagged a lot in his career. So again, there's another one of those players where you're kind of toning that line

between like grabby and aggressive and competitive. You know, he could be a little handsy. And just a very inconsistent tackler. And that run defense is going to be a question at that size. So, and that doesn't get easier when you're playing in the slot. If you're going to move in to the inside, you're getting closer to the action and more in traffic. So you have to be able to play better through contact

than a guy that's going to play on the outside. It would be remiss if I didn't ask you about the other two corners who the Eagles have brought in for pre-draft 30 visits, Fran. And that is Jalen Smith from USC, who you have written up. He's your like corner 20 something. And then Justin Wally from Minnesota, who you haven't fully done yet,

but I'm sure you're familiar with the kind of player that he is. Yeah, I'll start with Jalen Smith. wasn't moved by him athletically. I think that he can get in trouble in terms of being attacked vertically down the field. He's played inside and outside. He would be a guy that this is a Maddox replacement in terms of being like that backup nickel

that can be that flexible, do everything, Swiss Army knife. I think that's the idea for Jalen Smith. And honestly, like Maddox, the player I comped him to was Eric Murray, who was a corner at Minnesota when he came out and was seen as an outside corner, but maybe moved to safety.

And he ended up moving to safety. I think year two or year three in his career and he has stuck in the league as a safety. So that's how I view Jalen Smith. When you're looking at Wally, he is an off coverage corner by trade, 510, 190 pounds, ran pretty well, you know,

4-4 flat in the 40. I do still have to do some work on him. Shrine Bowl, I thought he was just okay, you know, in what I had seen from him up close. But like you said, I haven't done the full write-up. But one of my to-do items here is all the players that have come through visits for all of our teams

in the All-City Network. Nice. I'm going to buzz through a lot of these guys here in the next few days. I'm so impressed. It's unbelievable. Intifatigable, man. I need to take some notes from you. I mean,

the indefatigability, I feel like nobody... I don't look that one up. Nobody out paces you. No, I know, because it's wearing on my performance. It's not wearing on Fran's performance at all.

Like, Fran is just... He's electric. It's great to see. People want to know what Francis is playing on the Switch. He's playing Pokemon on the Switch. She's got a Pokemon sword. Francis, you want to show everybody what you're playing? Pokemon Sword?

I mean, we haven't dipped into this yet. Probably for the best, but I don't know if I'll ever see my son again. My Pokemon Sword. Nice. Is it fun? Who do you play as? Who's your favorite to play with? I think Pyrich.

Pyric? There you go. Love that. I think he gave him a nickname, and that's why I don't know if you, I don't know if that's actually its name or not. That's okay. It's not. You having fun?

Yeah. All right. All right. Go ahead. Sit back now. Thanks, Bob. All right. Two more.

And then I've blown my load. Kill a Cow's favorite corner in the draft, I would imagine. The Warlord Balconi from Western Michigan. And then Caleb Ransaw from Tulane, who I know you have graded as a safety. I don't think we're going to talk about tomorrow, but he's one of those versatile guys. Do either of those guys seem like potential eagles to you? Yeah, I liked, Connie.

I think when you're watching him, he'll play a lot of pure press man. He looked really good doing it, very productive. He's an older player that started his career in Indiana, junior college, then went from Juko to Indiana State, played there for a couple years,

then moved to Western Michigan over the last couple, over the last two seasons. So hasn't played a lot of ball at a high level of competition. I will say, like has been, it was probably more productive than say

like Darius Alexander, the defensive tackle at Toledo. The flashes aren't quite as impressive with Cohn, but just a rock solid player. I saw him as a backup corner. And then Ransaw is interesting. Yeah,

he has played a lot in the nickel over the course of his career, too lame. 5-11, 197. He plays really hard. He plays bigger than his size, really good playing through contact, often asked to play in the box.

And he just, he looks, horrific playing inside. That said, I had major questions about like the overall athleticism and the speed. Like I was like, that's why I moved into safety right away. And when the senior ball announced him, I included like when I tweeted out like my quick write up on him, I was like, yeah, like, I think he's going to have to move to safety. And Jim Nagy, like, responded right away.

I was like, yeah, he's going to play some safety here in Mobile. And I think he did a little bit of that. It was mostly in the slab, but played some safety. But then he goes to the combine and he runs 433. And I'm like, where I have never seen one rep with this guy where he looks like he runs 433. I've said this in the past that when guys test well, that can be like a marker of like high character players

and when guys like underperform as testers, that can be a marker for the opposite. I've heard great things about Ransaw. And honestly, it's the same thing with like Jad A Barron. Like Jada Barron is not a guy I expected to test well either. But you hear everything about, you know, great kid off the field. With Ransaw, he tested better than expected. I love the physicality.

The position fit is going to be interesting. I do think he's better suited inside. and I think it's the long term he's probably a safety. Honestly, they're kind of similar to CJ Gardner Johnson in a lot of ways, in some of those ways. I like that. Got anything else for a man? I won.

He won. He did it. Yeah, well done. Francis. Francis. That was great. Spring break, halfway, halfway there. Hump day.

You're not getting good. No, no, that was good. That was sufficient. That was sufficient. I had other questions, but I had one of Eagles question, if I may. Please. And that is, and I know this is more of an opinion than something you've researched per se, but the Eagles had more success last year at the position than any other year in my time covering them, right?

This has been a position that they've missed on more, whether it's from the scouting process, whether it's the development process. Do you think the Eagles are more confident in how they're either drafting or developing corners going into this draft based on last year's process, or do they look at it like that's a hard thing to duplicate? I would say it's probably the latter. I would say it's probably the, you know, you struck hot with both guys last year. Obviously, you're always going to have confidence in your convictions and in your evaluations. But yeah, it's a, it is a difficult position to peg down because there's a lot of variables in terms of like scheme usage and how, you know, you were talking.

You mentioned Jada Baron earlier. Like, all right, like Jada Baron didn't become like a different player from 2023 to 2024. He was more productive. but we know that that production at this position can be very volatile and can be very up and down. And so it's a, we can have a whole episode just on this conversation. But yeah,

I think that they're always going to feel confident in their evaluations across the board. But yeah, I mean, obviously that they hit and it hit well on both those top two picks last year. All right. Good stuff. You don't have to hang around for overtime if you don't want to, friend. You can go hang with Francis.

but that's up to you. I mean, what are we talking about? Are we talking about furniture? I know, and over time, what's on the topic about baby names. I'll stick around. If you're going to stick around, that means you know what time it is.

It's time for overtime. Speaking of names, are there any other France in your phone? Are there any other friends in my phone? Yeah. Hmm. Like when you're texting Fran, are you ever... For Shilla?

Are you ever close to texting the wrong person? No. What? What? You must. You're bringing it up. Well, I've done that in the past, but I was close to it. I was texting Fran yesterday.

Are you able to share the other friend that you were texting? Well, I didn't end up texting him, but yeah. A friend Siriani, Nick Siriani's dad is like the net, but no, but that's, no, but I was close to, but I do a funny story about that. I do about a, I've got Franks. Like, you know, so they, they show up. search friend but yeah so Emily my wife is in my contact card my my phone book by her maiden name okay yeah and Jason Kelsey's manager says it however you want to frame it

is also Emily are right and so there was a time and this actually relates to what you're about to go through where I was you know none of us had had had had really slept. This was really on with Reed. And I text Emily, my wife, saying that he pooped all over me or something like that. He took a big, he took a big poop, something like that. And then I said, Reed took a huge poop, something like that. I can even look it up. And she responded, and I sent it to the wrong Emily. I sent it to. And so the Emily associated with Jason Kelsey. what I've responded something like, like, good luck with that. And I didn't know that. You didn't realize. I didn't realize.

And so I wrote something like, look who developed a sarcastic bone when she was sleeping eight hours or something like that. And I have so much to say just to that. I was actually, I was. And I was thinking about this. I can actually pull up the. conversation. And it was, it was not, the amount that your heart must have dropped once you realized. Yeah, it was, I can tell you, I can tell you the exact message that I said here.

Oh, what a great story. Yeah. Okay, I wrote, he's pooping. That's so much better because it's so much more ambiguous. He's thinking that could be third person. The other one was so nice about it. Like, I was very times of the update and I said, did you develop a sarcastic gene overnight? Must have been during the nine and a half hour sleep. Not an advisable thing to say. And then. I mean, that's not an advisable thing to say to your way.

No question. Yeah, not an advisable thing. Fortunately, both Emilys were very good about this. But this. And what was her response? I mean, eventually. She said like, she said, I don't think you slept a lot last night, something like that. because she was very nice about it.

Like, you know, I'm thinking you got no sleep and you're mistaking me for your wife. And then, yeah, and then I felt horrible. What did you say then? I mean, I apologize. I apologize. I apologize profusely. I apologize profusely.

And yeah. And then he's pooping. Also, does she need the he's pooping text? Probably, yeah, probably not. Probably not. But yeah, it was, yeah, not one of my finest hours. But I thought about this yesterday. I was texting Fran about something.

And I almost texted the wrong friend. I feel like that's, I feel like that's got to be, that might even be merch. No, no, no. He's pooping. I'm excited to see this on the P.H.O.I. Sicko's Instagram account later. Hi. Man, just the two words he's pooping is so good. All right, let's get to the super chats that we have.

First from Claire for the sickos. A baby wolf name bracket update, please. Bad news is we've made very little progress. I think we're down to like eight each for boy and girl. There's not much of an update. And the truth is Rachel is just going to decide it whenever she wants to. So we'll see. Matthew

I would love to put together a bow compilation and have him explain himself on some of these comments I don't know I don't know what you're talking about yeah which comments I mean feel free to put together

the compilation and I'll send it to you I'll give you my explanations all right what else you want to talk about I'm a friend here I was self-deprecating today also I volunteered that

so yeah that was great yeah fantastic uh friend we've got the pho i draft show tomorrow at noon yes and then i think we're gonna do that it's a non mailbag mailbag right i thought we were doing that on tuesday i thought we're doing mock draft stuff tomorrow i'm happy to oh yeah we're talking about the mock draft yes yes yes uh yeah gives yeah we'll talk about the seven round mock talk around the seven round mock uh and then next tuesday most likely i won't be here uh and so i think maybe you and zach we'll do the non-mail bag mailbag mailbag oh okay i was thinking look at you weasling out of the mailbag the non-mailbag mailbag yeah i was thinking of a different exercise for that episode i'm happy to do that but i was what you got yeah what you know what i was thinking of a live mock draft

where we both play gms and so it's a little more dynamic than you know because you can't kind of manipulate the way things are going so if i take this player was going to be an eagles podcast show whatever you can do whatever you want but i thought that's what you were oh okay yeah i'm sorry i was referring to the eagles i'm talking about the pho by drew draft show with Brando. Happy to do that. Yeah, that's awesome. That's awesome.

Beautiful. Well, there we're going. So we're all set for next week. Yeah, it's, uh, it's here with eight days. It'll be fun. Thursday night's going to be like fun. I can't wait for Thursday night.

It's going to be, it's going to be a lot of fun. I mean, Saturday is going to be fun too. Saturday. Saturday is, you guys have never been, I mean, Bo,

you haven't been around me in a while for, for day three of the draft. Day three is my favorite day. So the day three is going to be fun. Of course. It's the best. We're going to be so loopy. Yeah.

All right, Julia, how you doing? Oh, another super chat. Shea, could you sign my franchise copy? He's pooping. You know what, Shea? He's coming, right? Yeah, Shea. And for anyone out in the Colorado area,

I'm speaking with our friend Chiokopati, our friend Lindsay Jones, tomorrow 4 p.m. Mountain Time at Canvas Stadium in Fort Collins. So please come, Shay. If you are there and you bring your copy, I am happy to sign PS in quotes. He's pooping.

Happy to do that. He said he'll do anything. He'll write anything you want except for Go Birds. Or something like Eagles, like... I love the Eagles. Yeah, fanaticism. Yeah, exactly. Like Fly Eagles fly.

I wouldn't do that. But happy to do, he's pooping. You know, if I run for office one day, that probably won't reflect well on me. but do you plan to run for office one day? I don't plan to run for office one day. It's just a figure of speech that like, you know, you don't want to put something out there,

but I suppose I already did. Can't rule anything out. Yeah. Was that the Stephen A. Smith line? What would you run for? What would I run for? We have to work your way up. I guess it goes to always.

But yeah. But it's, you know, know, in theory, you work the way up and then, you know, Congress and Senate, then. But I don't think it's happy. I'm just trying to. I mean, it may not exist anymore, but I'm trying to do a good show here. I'm sorry, I'm missing tomorrow. It really cuts at me that I'm missing J.D. McKill Cuddy's tomorrow night.

I wish I could be there. But I know you guys will do a great job. Do you have any safety thoughts you want to get off your chest? Yeah, real good. I like this safety class. I'm high on Starks, higher on Starks than the South Carolina safety. I just think Starks is the better player. I really like the versatility that he has,

and I do believe he is versatile. He doesn't just play multiple spots. It jumps out to me that he was able to play there early in his career. Xavier Watts is just an absolute ball hawk. Xavier Wats is like a fun player to watch in that regard. Both Penn State safeties, if you're not worried about the injury, Kevin Winston Jr. I think has like tools that can really be developed.

That intrigued me. Janwin Reed, I think it would be like a decent solid starter. So I like that group. And then is it Mukumba? Andrew Mukumba. Makuba. I'm sorry. He's someone who you heard a lot about when he was at Clemson and it kind of never hit his potential.

Did so last year at Texas. I would watch out for him because you can see it when you watch him play. So this is a better safety class. There might be a few that I'm missing. This is a better safety class than you typically see. All right. We're going to talk about it on tomorrow's show. Yeah, I agree.

Safety group's good. I'm excited to talk through that tomorrow. Honestly, one of my takeaways from doing the seven-round mock is that this cornerback draft is a little like underwhelming. I didn't love this cornerback group overall. Yeah, don't like the corners and the wide receivers like the safety in the running backs. There you go.

There we go. All right. Thank you, Fran. We'll see you tomorrow. Guys. See you tomorrow. Thank you, Julia. Zach, have fun at Colorado State.

Make sure if you're anywhere in the Colorado area, you go check out, your boy, ZB in person. Say how to shield for us as well. On behalf of Francis. Bye. Bye, Francis.

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