PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Draft: Could Avieon Terrell PUSH Cooper DeJean To Safety? | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 8, 2026

Cornerback day in our series of NFL Draft Eagles previews, with Fran Duffy’s expert analysis on Avieon Terrell, Jermod McCoy, D’Angelo Ponds, Mansoor Delane and the mid-round options who could intrigue Howie Roseman and Vic Fangio. Join Fran, EJ Smith and Bo Wulf for all the analysis and fun. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the PHLY Eagles podcast on a beautiful Wednesday. O'Wolf. E.J. Smith and Fran Duffy here live from the Xfinity Studio presented by Ashley and Bet365. And we're here to continue our position previews ahead of the NFL draft. We focus on the cornerback position today ahead of a fun event tonight, Fran. Yeah. Where for the diehars, you're going to be doing some guys in front of everybody. as embarrassing as that might sound.

I think, no, Connor one included. Connor one will be there. So that'll be fun. It's going to be a lot. If you were in the Philly area and you're a free night, come on down. I think there's a handful of tickets left. Oh, really?

Yeah, there's, I don't think there's many, but I think I know there's at least a couple. So come on down. It's going to be a lot of fun. We've got pizza from Santucci's, one of my favorite. San Tucci's on North Braun. We got Kenwood Beer. We got Bird Gang. Spirits are going to be a.

rousing time. Yeah. I mean, Ranger. Yeah. It's going to be a lot of fun. The two that we did last year, pre-draft and post-dress were a lot of fun.

So I'm hoping that we can. What's your game plan for tonight? So I like having the attendees, kind of carry it from a like, who do you want to watch standpoint? I'd like to start with like, I'm going to start with Rick Wollin and like any new eagles we want to watch. But obviously it wasn't like a ton of people that came in.

Yeah. Do a little abe. Katie. Yeah, well, you know, watch some pressures from Evocati and, you know, and kind of shut the door there and then move into draft prospects. Love it. We got a couple hours, so we'll try and be as efficient as we can. All right.

Well, let's get to the draft prospects and let's, let's turn our attention to corner where there's a lot of guys to do, you know, usually the position that has the most guys drafted every year, right? Yes, I believe that is correct. So you have done a lot of corners over your time. Yeah. Covering the league. And I don't want, you know, not to gas you up too much, but I think it is fair to say

that this is the position that you maybe have the best track record with. I wonder why you think that is. I don't. I appreciate that. I don't know if it is definitely the best, but it's definitely up there. When I think of some of my biggest hits from a like, oh, I liked this guy more than everybody else.

I did not like this guy. I think you're very good at the Justin Gilberts of the world. Right. Yes. I mean, Gilbert was like my 19th corner or something here. And he was a top 10 pick coming out of Oklahoma State. But I think for me, I put it very similar to offensive line where it's, you know, you get to see these athletes in awkward positions, you know, moving in reverse and compromised spots and having to accomplish extremely athletic maneuvers. And if you can't do that, then you've got to overcome that with like toughness and instincts and ball skills and some of those things that are pretty tangible on tape.

And so, yeah, it's a fun combination. I love watching corner. So I always watch at least 30 plus every year. I want to infer something on why Fran is so good at it here. It seems like the type of position where if you're thorough in your analysis, you can start to uncover things over time, right? It's not one of those positions. It's not like edge rusher where you can watch probably 15, 20 plays.

This is my theory, but go ahead. Yeah, there's like 15 to 20 plays where you can kind of get a really good idea of a guy very quickly. I know how Fran watches. I know how Fran does guys. And he's very thorough in that process. And because of that, you probably uncover more than what we will uncover watching, you know, a few clips of these things. I think that's right.

I think this is the position. where the work is rewarded the most. Yeah. Because you got to watch all of the guys' plays. You can't just watch the targets. You can't just watch the tackles or whatever. Like you got to really watch. You got to sit there and really do it.

And as opposed to, while that might be also true at safety or linebacker, there's still variability. Like you'll never get to the bottom of that because there's still so much uncertainty. So even if you do all the work, you're still kind of peeing in the wind. Yep.

But I feel like the way that, you are getting to the bottom of these corners, I think you are rewarded for the work. That's just a theory. Thank you. Well, it's, you know, it definitely is a thing. Like, a running back, like you do the work, but maybe it isn't as important as,

or not less important, but like there's not as much variability from just watching how the guy moves. At the end of the day, like there are also, it's positions where, you know, there are somewhere, you know, the traits just kind of come together. Yeah.

And, you know, it can flip just like that where at corner, I do think, like, you either kind of have it or you don't from a physical standpoint. and even honestly, like the intangibles, like ball skills don't really change all that. Some guys can improve in that area, but generally don't. Like that's a harder thing to learn. Same thing with like instincts and toughness.

Like those are areas where it's like, all right, if you don't show it in college, like it's probably not going to show up in the NFL. So what are your operating principles? What matters most to you when you're watching a corner and what maybe you think gets overvalued in the process? I literally can go to my spreadsheet and I can say like, all right, here are the ones that I've got like in bold is that these are the most important say so for me um the the three biggest ones that weigh heaviest on my final grade are overall athleticism ball skills and ability to play in man to man so if you've got that ability to be able to play in man to man and obviously that's tied to athleticism

but then that ability to find the ball like that's the lifeblood now ball skills let's define is not like how good of your hands it's like ability to find the ball hands i actually have is a completely separate category and it's actually at the bottom of yes so Think about 29 Mitchell. Correct. Exactly right. That's a great point. It's like hands is actually way at the bottom.

Ball skills meaning because everyone knows, I think, even like casual NFL fans, it's like, oh, like you've got to turn to find the ball. Well, there are times where it's not right to turn to find the ball. And just really showing like, all right, like when you are what I call in phase or what's called in phase, you're hip to hip with the wide receiver down the field, are you able to then find and locate the football?

When you are not in phase and you're in recovery mode and you're chasing the receiver vertically down the field. Now it's, can you time it, watch the wide receiver's hands, time it up and impact the catch point. Then you have the athleticism and the wherewithal to go up and attack the ball when you are in phase. Like all of those things kind of get roped into that one category. All right.

Well, with that background, let's move to on the clock presented by Ashley and talk about the player who is your cornerback one in this draft class. He is the consensus cornerback three. So considered a first round pick. You are a little bit higher on him than everybody else. And that is Avion Terrell from. Clemson.

Now, this is difficult for all you guys who want to write this name down. A-V-I-E-O-N. You know, that'll trip you up. Very feisty player. Yes. We're going to sort of let you lead on the descriptions here because you've done the work, whereas we have sort of buzzed through these guys. But 5-11, 186, three-year starter.

It's going to be 21 as a rookie. He looked like J-E-R-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-E-Lexander to me? That's my comp. Is that your comp? That's my comp. You didn't see the comp? I didn't write it down. Okay.

That's my con. Okay. There are like the, he doesn't, he didn't test like an elite athlete, but tell me about the player. Dealing with hamstrings this spring. And so that's the problem is that, you know, and that can be concerning, certainly. But especially for a guy who is light, you know, so you're always worried about that when a guy who's, you know, sub 190 pounds dealing with some durability issue. But for me, watching him, like he's a corner after my own heart. You know, you talk about the instincts, the competitiveness.

I did have issue, like, as a sophomore, watching him over the summer on his ability to kind of find the ball late down the field. And again, that is one area where I can get tripped up. So it's like, all right, well, it's a little bit smaller and you worry about the ball skills when he is out of phase. So that would be the knock. But then I see the quickness. I know that he didn't, like, run all that great. And someone who were all, like, it was four, six and he kind of pulled up. He's not healthy, right?

Yeah. At the end of the day, like, I almost, like, want to take the testing and kind of throw it out the window. I just know, like, watching him on film, the guy reads the game really, really well, especially from depth. So off-coverage schemes, I think he's going to play really, really well. I do not worry about the athleticism standpoint, watching him on tape. I think the man-demand instincts are very, very strong. The competitiveness is something that I absolutely place a lot of value on, and he is as

competitive as it gets. I know doing my background work on him. So his older brother is AJ Terrell, who's been with the Falcons for a few years, a former high pick for the Atlanta Falcons or coming out of Clemson. So I remember actually having this conversation a couple years ago with Dane, with Dane Brugler, which shout out the day

and big day for him. Happy Beast Day. Happy Beast. All who celebrate. He's got the, what he calls the little brother theory. The idea of like, oh, like, you know, guys that, you know, have the, or we're the little brother

and we're always tagging around a big brother and, you know, following around with him and all his friends. Those guys that typically turned out to be like the better athletes and, you know, maybe turn out either. There's something to be. said there. And I remember reading about Avion Terrell and there were pieces from when he was coming out of high school, he was training with AJ guys. He was going through the draft process.

And when he would, when AJ would come back home, you know, he would have workout plans for Avion. And like it just has been training like a pro for years and years. You know, and it never misses a workout. Like all the intangibles. I just love the player. I just feel really good about them. And so the big question as far as the Eagles are concerned here is if they're on the board at 23, and he's the top player there, would you be willing to pull the trigger? And what would that then mean? Do you just move him to the slot?

And Cooper DeGine gets to play safety this year? And then you figure it out when Rick Willen leaves. Is that worth it? I think if he's the best player on the board, I'm okay. I'm okay. Trust the board. Yes, because I love the player,

you know, it's how I view him. But if that's how they view him as well, cool, to me, then yeah, like that's the stamp of approval. Is it ideal? No, not ideal. And we've talked about that.

I think really the only position where I feel like it would make some kind of sense would be if it were a pass rusher that fell to them that had a similar kind of grade. Ideally, you're probably not spending that on another high corner because you're getting ready to pay Cooper Eugene and Quignan Mitchell. So I think that's- And- And-Carter and- Yes. But even just having that amount of money tied up in the secondary, you're hoping to have to pay Drew McCuba as well. Obviously, you know, the jury's out there. But, yeah, I think that Terrell, like, he is definitely,

worthy of that slot. Would you feel good about him moving inside? Yeah, I think he's got the, he's got the ability. Now, he's a different type of slot corner. He is the, because Cooper de Jean is is such a big, like physically opposing D&E, uh, you know, his ability to hold up, like coming down close to the line of scrimmage. That gives Vic Fangio a lot of flexibility. Torella is more of the, like, traditional nickel, right? Where he's, he is smaller, more, more undersized. So, uh, it'd probably be a little bit different from that standpoint, but yeah, like, he can, he can play inside. He did it at times at Clemson. Like they would have been travel against number one receivers on third down.

So, yeah, he's definitely got some of that. It's a tough one, EJ, because the player is a lot of fun. Yeah. But it would be really hard for me to get on board with a corner. Yeah. Yeah, before they sign. All the other long-term needs they have, given the need to flip the roster to offense, I like him.

But before they signed Rieke Wollen, you could have seen a pathway for this to happen. I just keep going back to, like, I know that they love Cooper to Gene near the line of scrimmage as a slot corner. I don't know if they, I don't know. I think like we talk about moving Cooper to Gene to safety and, you know, what he could do there and the versatility he'd offer them, but I think they'd be reluctant to do it in a situation like this.

It's tough because, yeah, I entered this draft process thinking, like, why would the Eagles use a pick in the first three rounds on corner? It doesn't make any sense. But the way that the prospects are stacked this year and who might be the best player on the board. Like, I think there are going to be times when they are tempted. You can only draft the corner of the players that are there. Yeah.

And so if the, you know, if it's head and shoulders above everybody else and that's, that's the best player. And you're not getting, and you're not getting a reasonable offer to move down a few spots. You know, that's still the ideal thing. But yeah, I don't know. The thing with Terrell is like, Franning, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't know if his ceiling is quite high enough to be like a true, like, top half of the league number one. I feel like he's more high floor. You feel good. about him being, he could be your number one corner, but probably like not the level the Eagles have gotten the last few years. And to draft a guy in the first round,

the one way I could see it making sense is like, if you're trying to ensure for the possibility that Quinia Mitchell isn't quite, you know, at the level he's been the last few years over time. But I don't know if Avion Terrell is like the flyer that I take there. I think I'd rather go like with somebody day two who's got like a higher variance to them. I will say like the way I have him graded there are so,

and that's actually one of the, things I like doing is when I because of how I put together like the pro board as well. We talked about this leading into free agency. The corners of this archetype and attaching it to the tier I have, Denzel Ward is in that group. Byron Murphy from Minnesota is in that. Byron Murphy is the comp that he has for me athletically. Yeah.

Yeah. That's happening to me like those are two players that are in that archetype and those guys are number one corner. Like Denzel Ward is one of the best corners in football. But that's how I view Terrell. I think he's to me he is a first round player in every. draft. That's how I view Terrell. All right. That'll close the book on

On the clock presented by Ashley. We will take a quick break. On the other side, we will talk about the two corners who are likely to be definitely off the board by the time the Eagles pick at 23. And then Franz Corner 3, one of his favorite players in the draft, a guy who could potentially fall to the Eagles in the second round.

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Yep. Let's start with Jermad McCoy, your cornerback two, the consensus cornerback two, coming out of a lost season to a torn ACL. So we only played two years, one year at Oregon State, one year at Tennessee. I think you were, if I remember correctly, like a little bit disappointed that he didn't then test at the combine. Right. But he did test at his pro day, run a 4-4, solid jump, 6-1, 190.

What is there to like so much about your Mon McCoy? Yeah, I think the big things that I like about him were the zone instincts and the ball skills. You know, to me it's almost like he's almost the antithesis. of Avion Terrell, where he's a bigger corner who could play the ball really well. Terrell is a smaller corner where that was the only question I had about him

was like finding the ball late, but all the other things I really like Terrell. To me, that's why I have to roll ahead of McCoy. I will say the people were bothered, I think that's fair to say, by basically what the path has been with Terrell over the course of the process. McCoy.

Sorry, with McCoy, yes, with Jermond McCoy. So Jermott McQuay, after the 2024 season, Tennessee goes to the playoff, they lose to Ohio State. They get blown out in the shoe by Ohio State. I believe it was the next week he's working out at home, tears his ACL. So right as the season ends, he tears his ACL.

So, all right, that's going to put a lot of things in the jeopardy. He's on the practice field and training camp, and it's like, oh, that's great. You know, we'll see what he looks like in his return. Obviously, he's not on the field to start the year. From what I understand, got cleared medically midway through the year, but Tennessee was kind of up and down. Like they weren't having quite the year that they had the year prior. So he chose not to play.

All right, I'm not going to play all this season. All right, that's fine. Gets invited to the Senior Bowl from what I understand and decided not to take that invite. It's like, okay, because he wants to get ready for the combine. Goes to the combine and then decides, I'm not going to work out at the combine. And it's like, all right, well, that's, we're now 50.

He didn't feel right. Yeah, we're now like 13 and a half months removed from the injury. And it's like, all right. Now he put all his eggs in that pro day basket and it cashed out. He tested really, really well by all reports down there at the Tennessee ProD So that's all good. You know, the fact that he was able to show that at least he, you know, he's back physically. I think that's important.

Now, like, I don't think that he's like a great. I actually have him, you know, a pretty substantial difference between the grades between Terrell and McCoy. Like I think McCoy or Terrell is absolutely the better player for me. But I do think McCoy, if you are a team, you know, I think of Dallas, he's a archetype of like Trayvon Diggs, Ron Bland, big body, ball hawk. not like an A plus athlete in terms of like transitional quickness and like, you know, the ability to match route at the top of the stem, stay in a guy's hip pocket. That's not him.

But, you know, if you're, he's shorter than this guy, but like Xavier Rose, like that kind of player, that's what McCoy is. And so if that's the scheme that you want to play, I think that he's a little, he'll be a fit. I go, I don't know if I feel strongly in either way, whether I think this is like a real arbitrage opportunity where this guy would go top 10 if he had played this year and really get a guy. Or is this too risky? Like would I have the stones to draft him

when there are other first-round caliber guys on the board? I don't know. When you think about the players that have slid for like medical stuff similar to this, like, I don't know, they're usually second-round guys, you know? So the fact that he's talked about as a first-round prospect

definitely makes me a little, it surprised me a little bit. He had four picks. Again, we're only dealing with a year and change of film, right? So he's a true junior. He's very young. He's going to be 20 years old when he's drafted this month.

But he had four picks last year, three of the four picks were down like on the goal line. Yeah, my head. So jump ball plays, right? And it's like not necessarily like translatable. It's like good plays, but not like, and you also have eight flags. Yeah. So to me, like that's why I don't think it's like a slam dunk.

Oh, this guy is going to be a dynamite corner. Like I guess I still have a starting grade on him. I think he's a nice player, but a lot of people viewed him as like, oh, like, elite top shelf corner. I'm not quite there. Like I said, I've got a higher grade on Ontario right now. All right. Let's talk about the consensus top corner in the draft.

That is Croc Monsieur Delane from LSU, a four-year player, three years at Virginia Tech before going to LSU. And this is unlike the other top guys in this class. A four-year player is a bit of an outlier. He's got the requisite size that you want. Ran a 4-3-8 at his pro day with an elite 10-yard split, 6-foot 180. That's short arms, 30-inch arms for a player that'd be.

big, but didn't allow any touchdowns, like barely allowed to catch the past two seasons, no penalties. You like him. This is not like a situation where it's not Justin Gilbert situation. But you are a touch lower on him than consensus. Why? So I mentioned like the things that I value most of the position in terms of like the athleticism and the ability to hold up in man to man, I don't know that delay.

Like I get that the numbers, the numbers are what they are. Like he said, he didn't give up a touchdown this year. It wasn't flagged this year. didn't give up a ton of catches and those are, you know, we know that those numbers can be finicky when you're talking about like targets for DBs. You know, it can work both ways. I don't know that he's like this supreme physical talent. I worry about the overall upside with Mansour Delane.

To me, you know, comparing him to any of these corners that have gone high in the draft, you talk about like Sartan and like those guys, like he's not that player. He's not that level of athlete. And so I get it that in this class, like somebody's got to go. But to me, like if I'm comparing Avion Terrell to Manif, or Delane, like I absolutely believe that he's got a better chance to be able to hold up consistently in man-to-man coverage. And so that's my thing with Delane, but that's the thing of it is that he's a player that I like. When I look at his strength, I'm like, yeah, he's instinctive. He's got

good ball skills. He's tough and competitive, but he is undersized and he's not a great athlete. I get into like the, it's tough to be small, it's tough to be slow. It's tough to be small and slow type of thing. Like, I don't think the lane is slow, but at his size, he's not like a plus athlete. He's not a plus speed guy. And so, um, I do worry about the overall upside with the player. It just didn't seem like he had anything like he didn't seem like he had a

superlative trait that would push him to be a top 10 guy. Um, from what I watched. I have a, I have, uh, in his name. I mean, French ass name. A hairbrain theory that the short arms,

I feel like I like less on a bigger player than on a player who's already small and like is already playing that way. Yeah. He's got these 30 inch arms. The only other guy in the elite sample of 52 corners from the past couple years who was at least six foot and had arms anywhere near the short there's one it was Derek Stingley who's awesome so you know it's not disqualifying but Stigley's tape was phenomenal it's so so good like Delane is he's not that he's not that type of

talent you know I say this when you look at like the recruiting profile on players uh something that can tell a story like I can watch a guy and say like oh yeah I can see why this guy was a two-star guy was a two-star recruit who didn't get the third star until he accepted the offer of Virginia's act. And it's like, I can see that. I can see how that was the case with Mansor. Well, that's a good transition to the man who was your cornerback three because you can understand why DeAngelo Pons was a zero star recruit and went to James Madison,

where he then found the man he needed in Kurt Signetti and followed him to Indiana. The size red flags are significant, like, beyond significant. He is five eight and five eighths, 182 pounds. The only one of the. the cornerbacks who I have here who was under 5.9 was Tim Jennings. The only one who was 182 pounds was Devin Witherspoon. And he's got these 29 and three inch arms. There's only one guy who was under 30 inches and that was Trent McDuffie. So there's one guy for each of those things. He's below each of the thresholds. He is teeny tiny. Yep. But man, is he fun to watch.

Oh my God. He's so fun to watch. He's feisty. I texted Fran. I said he's adorable. Like, because he's out there just working hard. It's just so offensive. It's just so offensive that you would call him that. I mean, he's coming here and beat you up. Yeah, and he will because he's spicy. He's got some real strength at that size. He just watch them.

It's like, this shouldn't work. It's like the PB and J. Berger. And what's interesting to me, Fran, you know, he can't believe you just compared him to the PBB. He runs a 436 at his pro day. So, you know, if you're going to be that small, you got to run fast. But you don't even think that he necessarily needs to move inside. I don't think so.

No, I think that he can play on the outside. You know, look, there's going to be. some size constraints, but there have been, there are plenty of examples. I was actually talking to somebody last night about this exact topic. And it's like, we said the same thing about Mikey Sanders still and Washington has not kicked him inside. We said the same thing about Meek Robertson. He's played on the outside.

Kobe Durant has played on the outside. Isaiah Rogers plays on the outside. Like, yeah, he's, you know, he's obviously very, very small. But we, the small corner stick on the outside now in today's NFL. You know, I think that there's just like small receivers have that ability to stick outside. You know, people worried about Devonte Smith. He's going to have to kick him to the slot.

You know, it's a different game now than what it was. And I think Pons has that ability to stick on the inside or on the outside. You know that I've got like my version of the Red Star player. Like if I'm going through, if I throw the green highlighter over the, he's a, he's one of my guys in this class. He's so fun to watch. I love DeAngelo. Now, there's a real chance he's going to be there in the second round.

No, for sure. Yeah. He could be there. He could be there in the third round just because of size. You know, John Jeremiah's top 50. He's the consensus corner seven heading into the draft. I believe. Now we're talking like I, you can tell.

I, I will, corner thing. I really would not like to use the first round pick on it. Yep. When you've got three picks on day two. Mm-hmm. Yeah, why not, man? Yeah, take an upside swing. Absolutely.

You're in the business of collecting talent and he is a talented player. He, you know, he was a high school team in a Jeremiah Smith. He's going to be top five pick next year at a wide receiver from Ohio State. Oh, I didn't realize that. Yeah. And so they, they matched up together in the playoff. And so he gave up a couple catches. since people are like, oh, yeah, Jeremy Smithy.

Again, he's going to be like a 5-pick. Pons is so, he's so good. He's exactly my type of corner. And again, like, the athleticism is there, the speed. He's just very, very small. You can tell when you go through the draft guide, like there's so much blue in his scouting report from Fran. A little bit of red, too.

Well, the red is all in the physical traits. Yeah, it's all in the physical traits. Everywhere else, there's so much blue in the tape. Now, listen, you do have to be worried, like, injury-wise, can he hold up at that side? in the NFL. There's a real concerns. Missed one game last year, but nothing else the rest of his time.

But again, he's a good tackler too. He's a good tackler. Yeah. He's a lot of fun. He's awesome. He's awesome. I mean, worst case, you can move him to the slot and he's probably a viable slot corner in most defenses, right? Oh, yeah. I think so. You don't think that transition is difficult.

I don't think it's required, and I think that he's got the skill set to be able to do it. Maybe, no, this is me asking you. Do you think that Vic Fangio would view him as like not a good option for the slot? because of like the physical profile they like in Cooper to Gene in that position. Yeah, I think that that's the beauty of Gene is that with his size, like he can hold up there. And that's why you need to be competitive to be able to play in this lot.

And he's competitive as anybody. So I think that he'll give everything he's got. But the size is going to be an issue for him at times. But that's again, like one of the guys I wrote down was Isaiah Rogers. And Rogers. So that was a really good comment. I think that's a guy that showed the ability to play for Vic Fangio. All right.

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I mean, I understand why it's interesting. Also has no impact on the... Yeah, I was going to say that's the one thing we should say is that like, I don't think, I think that there are a lot of people who are saying that this changes something for the outlook of the 2026 Eagles. I don't think it has that much impact on what the 2026 Eagles will look like. And the AJ Brown situation. I don't think it changes very much. So therefore, this is really just somebody's personal situation.

And like I said, get your steps in, mind your business. The draft is two weeks away. We got a lot of guys to do. Okay? We got a lot of doing to do. Your cornerback fine. Malik Mohamed from Texas, who was a consensus cornerback 12. Yep.

A little bit light at 182 pounds. Impressive testing at a 4-4-240. Good jumps. as you wrote in your scatter report, the speed, the testing speed doesn't always show up. No. On film,

but you see some instincts. I think the interception against Oklahoma where he comes off his route, like that's a really good... That's my Trudevus White type of point. Love that. Yep. Physical enough.

Yep. It seems like what makes you think that this is a starter? Yeah. To me, you know, the physicality and the instincts were the two areas where I thought that he really stood out.

And when you stand out in that way, like I'm always going to like you as a corner. I worried about the recovery speed on tape. I thought that he looked like high four-fives, low four-sixes on film. So for him to go to the combine and run four-four-two. I thought like, all right, if he goes 452, that's a win. You move on with the pre-draft process and you're good.

He goes four-four-two, and that's a big, big surprise. Here's what I'll say about this. And I feel this way. It's not universal. It's not for every single player, every single time. but I do think that one marker when it comes to a guy's football character is when he if it's positive when a guy like tests better than expected because a lot of it honestly is like essentially cheating the drill right like I understand like proper footwork and timing and everything

got in the first 10 yards you ace that part of it and you would be really worked uh worked hard at training and you know everything you had to do uh in those first 10 yards you ace the 40 and then you move on uh to me that that that can it works the other way too where guys test worse than expected and it's like, all right, why did that happen? Sometimes that does speak to like the lack of detail in the preparation. But yeah, with Muhammad, I've heard nothing but good things from an off-the-field standpoint. And then you get into the toughness, the physicality. I like the player.

Do I think that he has the same ceiling as some of these other guys? No, but I saw a starter all day. I liked him. Yeah. You're the Texas guy. Yeah, I liked him. I agree with what Fran said at the end. I think I've got other guys who I was more excited about looking from like an upside standpoint.

But yeah, no, I mean, he's solid. I wanted to ask you, Fran, about, like, the ball production with some of these guys. Yep. You know, the idea, like, oh, this guy's always around the ball or, you know, like, he just has a nose for the ball. I guess how much stock do you put in that? Because I feel like Muhammad's numbers around the ball aren't as good as maybe some of the other guys on day two. Yeah. So I've got, like, a production score that I give to guys.

And it's, you know, it pulls in, you know, tackles, what I would call impact play. So it's TFLs, sacks, force fumbles. and then also ball disruptions. So PbUs and interceptions. And it's like, all right, on a per snap basis, how often and they're all weight adjusted and all that stuff. Corner is a position where, yeah, like, I like guys that are productive and around the ball,

and that can be a marker for future success, right? When I'm looking at some of the guys historically that have had some of those best numbers, it's a lot of starters in there. You know, so I'm seeing like, and not all these guys are pro bowl, like all pro players, but like Chidobie Ouzier, Amique Robertson,

Kobe Duran, Marcus Jones, Garrett Williams. And you start going through down the list. And it's like DJ Reed and Paulson Adibo and you start going. It's like, oh, starter, starter, starter, starter. But then you also go down to the bottom and on the other side of it. And it's like, all right, well, who are some of the players that didn't have the outstanding production? I remember this was a big knock on Patrick Sertan, was that he did not have great production.

And so then you pair that. And that's what I love doing with a lot of this stuff. It's like you pair that with, you know, things like target rate, right? Like how often was a guy targeted? Very often when I'm looking at the guys that weren't didn't have great production, well, they were also really low in how often they were targeted. And that was the case with, uh, with Cirtan is that like teams barely went at them. Right. So there were less opportunity for him to be able to make plays on the ball. And so when I look now at, uh, can't you just, can't

you just do it division there and do well production per target? Because the here's the thing. I don't love targets for. Uh, okay. So that's why that's why I don't do it because, uh, there are times where like, because I'll go through it. That's one one thing I can do with with, with D.Bs is like, oh, I'll just let me just watch every time he was targeted. And then sometimes it's like a screen, a running back screen to his side. Yeah. So that counts on the number. So I try not to go too crazy with that.

With Muhammad, he is one of those guys where he was only targeted last year, 10.4% of his coverage snaps, which is a really low number, which that's good. And so that kind of speaks to the lack of reduction. Yeah. I mean, it's just like a scouting added you here a lot. Like, oh, he's always around the ball. Like that doesn't always mean what you think at me. Yes.

Yeah. And he's a guy who could be around in round four? potentially? I think he'll be a day two, especially because of how he tested. He's a day two guy. I think you're talking round two, round three. All right. Someone else who's probably day two, but like a little bit of day one buzz is Brandon Cesey from South Carolina, NC State Transfer, True Jr. Great Vert at the combine, round of four, four one. He looked to me, first of all, he looked more explosive than Malik Mohamed. He looked to me like a guy you put out there and say, I know this guy's not going to get beat deep. I don't really care if he,

gives up stuff in front of him. Yep. I think that's fair. He's, there were times where I felt like more athlete than football player. Yeah. I do think that there's plenty of traits there to, to develop.

He's got like a feisty play demeanor. I wouldn't call him like as tough and physical and like imposing as some of these other guys that we've talked through. Like I think Delane's got a little bit more of an edge, certainly Pond, certainly Terrell. But to me like there, there were traits there where I'm like, this guy is a starter. He's probably a low, it's probably more low end starter. If I'd say like range of outcomes, I think it's more likely that he's like, a decent number two than as it was like a number one,

but he's got number one upside. So I do think that you're probably talking like in the 30s draft rate, draft roll or draft slot wise down to like I can't imagine him getting out of round two. Like I think he's that kind of player. All right. Now how about Colton Hood who also has some potential round one buzz? He's the consensus corner four, your corner seven.

Yep. He was the Tennessee corner. I guess he didn't play with McCoy because no, he wasn't on the field. Three schools and three years. Three schools and three years. Auburn to Colorado and didn't start until his third year. at Tennessee.

Now, maybe that's because Colorado had the Sanders kids at corner, but, you know, why didn't he get on the field necessarily? But he is a, this is a physical guy at six foot, one 93. I'm going to let you break him down because I have a question about Colton Hood. Okay. I think to me, better instincts in man-to-man coverage than I thought in zone. And so the way I would kind of break that down is like, all right, like in man-to-man, obviously, like, you are responsible for you're one man.

I thought that when he had to just read a guy's hips and read a guy's route breaks, like he showed a good feel for playing in that kind of system as opposed to in zone where you kind of have to see the big picture and understand like, all right, we're playing cover three, we're playing cover four. These are the route concepts that could be coming my way. I got to peel off. You talked about the play that Malik Mohamed made in zone where he came off his man and made the interception against Oklahoma, like good example of zone instincts and understanding.

Like this is what the past concept is doing to attack us. I didn't quite see that from Colton Hood and a lack of experience could inform. that as well. I just, I even like seen him at the senior ball. Like I didn't walk away from Mobile thinking like, oh yeah, this guy's definitely like a first round caliber player.

Could he go that early? Sure. Um, just because corners tend to go. Um, but I think that he's probably more like round two. And I put him in the same bucket as C-Say where it's a, there's a chance that he's probably more of like a low end number two corner and like,

what I would say like just good enough to get you beat. Like good enough to start, but crunch time and it's like, He's the one giving up the big play. Like that's kind of the bucket I think you're talking about with Colton Hood. My question with Colton Hood was

the best stuff I saw I thought was like when he was coming forward and how physical he was. Yeah. Could he be an elite safety instead of a corner? Maybe the thing I would worry about

is like the phone interesting that aspect. Yeah, okay. You don't want to make perfect enemy good and yeah. I thought he was a fun watch. I liked him. Yeah.

All right. Two Chip Kelly specials. Wait, no, don't do these guys as a group. Why not? Because I like one of them. Okay, well, I'm going to do them as a group, and then you can tell us which one you like.

Two guys, two big guys. There are a bunch of big corners. 6-3 and 6-2. So you got Devin Moore from Florida, 6-3-198, round a 4-5 at the Combine, and then you got Julianneal from Arkansas, your cornerback six. He is also a big, long corner.

Who do you think I like? I think we know who you like. Yeah, you like Devin-M. You like Devin. I love Devin-More. Tell us why you love Devin-M. When I saw the-haven-More. When I saw the-ha.

Caleb Farley copped. I was like, oh, no, I'm in trouble. I mean, this is like the Tracey guy on day two. And it's, I will let Fran break him down as a player. Because listen, I mean, you did the work on him more than I did. But the profile is very exciting. There's real upside there. There's a legitimate downside too.

But he's an exciting player. Fran loves the film. Yeah. The film is awesome. The film is first round caliber when I watch. So I watched him for the first time in like November, December. he got announced for the senior ball hadn't done his tape yet and so i go through it i'm like oh there aren't a lot of blue chip players in this class this guy's a blue chip talent like that's blue chip

film first round film uh he's gonna go to the senior ball and everybody's gonna he was in my first mock draft for that reason i was like i'm gonna get this guy in here because i'm gonna be ahead of the pack then it comes out he's he's got to pass the senior bowl because he had uh groin surgery after the season and he's already missed substantial amount of time early in his career with shoulder injuries He had like a shoulder thing that will nag through two years. So when I look at Devin Moore, it's like, can he stay healthy? So he's in my developmental tier and the fact that he hasn't been able to stay even like through the pre-draft process. He was dealing with the groin stuff.

Yeah. He was coming back from it. So he missed the senior bowl. He only ran four, five at the combine, ran again at the pro day and it still wasn't quite up to snuff. Four, six, two at the pro day. He looks four three on tape. They're like, I watched it. You watch him against, you know, some of the fastest receivers in the SEC, guys that went to the combine and ran in the four threes.

and he's step for step with those guys. So to me, it's kind of like the Avian Terrell where it's like he's not healthy. I'm kind of throwing the testing out and I'm going to trust my eyes on the tape here on this one. He is big, he is long, he is explosive, he's got really good ball skills, the instincts, the toughness, like high character kid talking with people down there as well.

I love Devin Moore. I really love Devin Moore, but the medical is tough. That's a tough. It's a risk reward. When does it? When does it become worth it to take that? Here's my question is the Eagles ask that question almost every draft. You know, you look at Nekobi D and Jihad Campbell,

obviously not a success story, but Sidney Jones many years ago, they have been willing to take risks on players who have blue chip upside, who also have an injury history that makes them available in later round. So for me, this is a player to keep an eye on for the Eagles. I think you're right. And if you just think about it from the big picture for the Eagles, you got a spot where you don't need somebody right now. Yeah, you can let them make sure.

and you can let him get right if he needs to get right. And you got three picks on day two. So you got two third round picks. Like, you know, now how he may be moving around. I think there's a likelihood they don't end up with all of those. But if you got two third round picks, you got a bit of a luxury pick, you know, why not take one on a guy

who could turn into a starting corner? Especially because we've just saw that they value having a, you know, a competent or above average starter at the second outside corner spot and re-go-ling. Like, if you're looking at, for a future requal and i think devon more is probably close as close as you're going to get because it is like a smaller corner draft especially on day two it seems like yeah there's there's a bunch of the big corners uh but it's yeah to me like more is the is the best of that group uh let me do i

wrote down four names as i was studying him okay and i got you can tell like i got excited Caleb farley who was a top 15 pick had a lot of injury issues of virginia tech and obviously didn't work out because of those injury issues and you could never uh you never get on the field Zion McCullum, who's turned into a good corner. That was like, all right, like, who was a big bodied athlete at Corner, who's turned into a starter, got paid by Tampa Bay a couple of years ago. More fluid Joey Porter Jr., who was the 33rd pick in the draft, coming out of Penn State.

And then... Lesser Chow Smith Wade? No, I wrote Lesser Pat Sertan Jr. And he was my number one player in that class. Like, I loved Pat Sertan Jr. Devin Moore is an awesome talent. It's so that the medical is the concern. have not gotten me to come down from the high of Devin Moore. I wrote him. I look at my notes.

I wrote Caleb Farley Comp, he stole my beating art. This is my type of player. I love him so much. What's funny is that you said there was one guy you loved. And so I was thinking like, all right, like, Devin Moore or it's Chandler Rivers from Duke who's like this 5-8 nickel corner who's like really tough and gritty. Yeah. That tracks. Yeah. I also kind of like Julianneal. Yeah. Now he and Moore and Neil are a tick older. They're going to be 23 as rookies. Yep. Neal's your cornerback nine. Now, it is weird? Very weird. Four years at Fresno State? A thousand percent.

What's going on? And never a full-time starter? Yep. Doesn't play. It's got these great academics. Now, I also do like the note that he was one of, I think, six guys who did every drill at the combine. Yep. Yeah. It's a try hard thing, but I kind of like that. No, and teams will take them. What do you know about why he couldn't

get on the field of Fresno State? I honestly haven't gotten a good answer that I feel good about sharing where I'm like, yep, this is why. Because everyone I asked were like, yeah, it's a good question. that is a little bit of a, yeah, it's a, it's a medium red flag for me where it's like, all right, like, you're six one and a half, you're 202 pounds, you've got 33 inch arms. He moves nice too.

He does. Yeah, the people were worried about the speed. Like, that was a concern like going to the senior bowl. And I was like, no, like, I think he moves well enough. He ran 449, which, again, at 202 pounds. That's a good number. Yeah, he's, he's talented. I think he's probably second, third round pick.

Okay. Yeah, I think that's probably what we're looking at just because of those traits, you know, and guys like that typically tend to go. I didn't think he was great at the senior ball. I didn't think he had a great week down there. But again, the traits are what they are. I just, the fact that he played four years at Fresno. And he never, he started four games.

He started four games his last year. Didn't play. He registered his first year. It was three games as a backup in 2022. 11 games as a backup in 2023. And then started four of 12 games in 2024 before transferring. All right. I'm going to take our last break.

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Why do you hate Chris Johnson? I don't hate Chris Johnson. That's the thing. I actually, when I watch this corner six, but some people have them as like a top 25, top 30 player. Yep. Could go in the first round. he's a corner of 13.

Yep. I mean, listen, I think my understanding is Chris Johnson's maybe the best boss you've ever had. It's true. He's up there. To me, when I look at, when I look at Chris Johnson, I worried about the speed on tape. And he, I mean, look, he went to the combine,

and he ran 4-4 flat. And it's like, all right, that's good. That's kind of the question there with Malik Mohamed. I thought he had good route recognition. I thought his own eyes were good. I thought the competitiveness was solid. I didn't think it was like anything to write home about, but not from a negative standpoint either.

I thought he was just okay in the run game. You know, physical, but like, you know, just I thought he was just okay there. I just, to me, like, I worried about the overall, like, athletic upside to hold up in man to man. So, you know, because some people, I think, and this is, this might be part of it too.

Going into it, people were trying to sell him to me as the, Quinyon. As Quignan. Yes. And I was like, he could have gone to the SEC. I know he stayed home.

Four years at San Diego State. Yep. That's how he was pitched. He was pitched to me like Quentin and I was like he's not that. Yeah. I mean, I compared to Rocky Sin and I, shout out,

you know, for Temple You, like I compared to a Rocky Center. Like I like the player. But I just, to me, to me his low ranking more speaks to the,

the depth of this corner class in this area of the draft. It's a tight cluster of a bunch of guys with similar grades. He's just towards the bottom because I've got Scott, questions about the overall upside. So you think this overall class is,

it's very good through round four. Yeah. And then sort of falls off a cliff. Severe drop off. Okay. It honestly, like, you know,

when I went, I felt this way leaving the shrine, that was the worst group of shrine corners I've ever seen. And just kind of going through the, this cornerback class, the depth is just, it's really poor once you get to like round five. Usually there's like,

oh, like there's this height weight speed guy. It's like, well, it's like, there's that guy to be excited about. You know, Zion McCollum was one of the, There just aren't those guys.

A lot of the players in this draft that are late in the, it's all the undersized, scrappy, not really athletic, so you're leaning on the intangibles type of deal, which is fine. Like I typically like those guys, but there's not a lot to get excited about. Yeah, I'm with you. I was also thinking about, you know, if you are putting a lot of stock in, oh, like the coaches there love him. Yeah. Well, just the incentives of what kind of reports are you likely to get from a guy who stayed four years at San Diego State from the coaches there?

versus, you know, a guy like, what's his name, who goes to three different schools in three different years. Like, it's in the new era of everybody transferring so much, I think sifting through the information is an interesting game for the scouts to play. Yeah, I think that's very fair. And so, yeah, and that's the thing is because people ask me that all the time. It's like, for some people, he is like, he's the fifth corner. He's the, like you said, was consensus six, right?

Like some people are really high on, on Chris Johnson. They say, like, why don't you like him? I don't like them. I kind of like them. Yeah. Yeah. See, like I. Yeah, Dan and I don't see him the same way.

Because I like, I like them, but I just, I didn't love them. All right. Let's talk to you on the river. So you mentioned before. Yep. From Duke. He's a cornerback 10. This is a player who, this is a slot, a nickel prospect.

Yeah. Right. His short arms are below the threshold. Four year player at Duke, captain. Kind of like the, you pick. picture of four-year player who was a captain as a nickel and that that's kind of what he was right like it's a football player yeah he it's it's a similar conversation as de angelo ponds okay uh but he's he's not as good as ponds so to me you're talking about a player that's severely undersized across the

board um not quite the athlete not quite the like the physical like he's more like pesky and competitive than like, you know, just I'm going to rip your head off type of player. I don't think the athleticism was quite as apparent on tape as it is with as it is with Pond. So, you know, I wrote like more quick and fluid than he was explosive. Now he ran 4-4, but again, like I, because he's another guy like rave character reviews. Like I think that's a marker for like, oh, this guy's just maxing out everything he's got in his body. Yeah, like I liked him. I do think that he's a starting nickel corner.

But, you know, I think he's like more like solid nickel as opposed to like, impact. tactical. I want to ask you about Traden Stukes from Arizona. You have graded as a safety. He's your safety 12, but he had a pre-draft visit with the Eagles. He is a kind of a nickel corner. Yep. Tweener. What kind of player is he, and

what do you think would make the Eagles interested in that? Yeah. So he he's a really interesting player. You know, 6 foot, 190 pounds, so really light for a safety and even for a corner, like that's on the lighter side. Former walk-on. He was a big time track

athlete in high school, walked on at Arizona, went from walk on to team captain in like three years. And so like all the character stuff is very, very good. Older player, six year senior, solid production from a safety standpoint. You know, one interception here, his interception there. He had some outstanding plays on the ball this past year. Now, in that system, one of the reasons why, even though like he played as a corner, why I moved him to safety, I had some questions about the overall speed. Now he goes and he runs 433 at the combine, which a lot of people,

that was kind of like one of the talks leaving the DB's workout was like, man, the Arizona guys like all ran a lot faster than we thought. But so Stoaks is a guy that to me, I think is more of like safety nickel flex as opposed to like pure outside corner. I do worry about his ability to kind of hang on the outside. But man,

he's competitive. He's instinctive. I like the ball skills. I think he's a good player. I think he can be a matchup piece. I do like trading Stoaks. Okay. So do you think that this means

the Eagles are looking for someone to fill that allow Cooper DeGine to move around role? Or do you think they would be looking at him as just a safety? It's a good question. The thing is that he hasn't played a ton of pure safety. So PFF chart gave him 39 snaps at pure safety, which not a ton. That might explain the reason for a visit.

Right. Is if you, like, you want to get a sense of this guy's football intelligence. If we're thinking about moving him to safety, do we think that he could handle this? Yeah. I mean, 43% of his snap, 44% of his snaps have come in the slot and another 17% in the box. So like, mostly has been an inside player.

And so I think that you're probably looking at him as a Cooper DeGine type. I do like Stoques. He's a good player. Can I tell you, can you guess which player in the cornerback class had my favorite friend Nugget of looking at the corners? All right, one second. Let me just look at the board real quick. All right, my favorite, your favorite nugget.

of the corners. I am going to guess is it Keith Abney? It is definitely Keith Abney, the cornerback from Arizona State to your starter there, 510, 188, ran a 4-4-5 at his pro day, and I learned from the diehard draft guide.

One national championships as an in-line speed skater as a child, and owns several national records. National records. National records. Shout out. It was a piece, Dane, Dane wrote that piece back in the fall. You know, and so, yeah, I mean, it's just really cool background.

I wanted to like him more than, because he was- 13 flags the last two seasons. Yes, very grabby. He was getting, like, buzz in the same area of, like, C-Say and Colton Hood, where I was like, oh, like, this guy could be a first-round pick, probably more of a second-rounder. I just, I didn't see that when I watched him on tape. That's how that, even like, there are corners that we haven't talked about

that I'm like, yeah, like, this guy could play in the league. It's good in that Like round two, round three, round four I think there's a glut of corners in this class That all have the ability to play And have upside to grow into it It just, again, it just kind of falls off there EJ, when you hear Cisei, do you think

Gibral or Usman? I don't. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's right here. I had some guys I wanted to ask you about for him. Let's hit him. All right. Willie from Texas saying up.

I prefer his brother won't. Willie or won't I have an uncle Willie I have an uncle Willie He watched the show Willie Lamkin Yeah no but it's like

Will Lee Will Lee It's like William Lee Yeah Willie William Smith Lowman Will Lee Smith

Big Corner I worried about the athleticism Okay To me I worried about the ability To play man He was a good jumper That's why I was curious If maybe the

Testing Good jumper Comjure Your worries a little. Well, 5-2 in the 40, though. Yeah. Yeah,

at 189 pounds. That's the thing is he's like, he's tall and long, but he's lean. Yeah. So it's, it's, I usually don't fall for that body type.

I think I do. Yeah. I like the big corners. There are some, there are some, you want to talk about the names. There are some great names. Oh.

This corner of a class. Will Lee, I love. Yeah. Zechaya masses. Hezekiah masses. That's, that's,

that's, that's, that's, that's, yeah, my father. Well, No, he just said he likes the name.

He corrected me because I said it on the show. He's like, I just like the name. I like Ephesians Prize stock. A Feigen Prize Sok. Yeah, that's a good one. And Takario Davis. Yeah.

Some great names. And those guys are both. So Takario Davis and Efecians Prize sock, both play at Washington. They both started Arizona. So Arizona's got three safeties in this class. And both of the Washington corner started at Arizona. So if that staff had stayed there,

that whole secondary would be coming out. And it would be prospects. Like a very good recruiting there by that. staff. I like Prysock a little bit more, but both guys have legitimate size. They are, you know, so Prysock is six, three and a half and three and a half. Yeah, long arms. Long, long arms. And then Ticario Davis, same kind of deal. Just under six foot four, 33 and a half inch arms. Both guys, just outstanding physical attributes. I like price stock a little bit more. I thought that the senior ball, he was solid, but the combine,

just one of the better workouts of the, the, those bigger type corners. I thought he was the smoothest of that group. I like both. Yeah, I think both those guys make sense as day three guys. Yeah. All right,

great super chat from CDP, Fran. I'm going to, I'm going to let you answer this in a minute before we head to where we're headed. But the question is, which corner in this draft is the most like Tegowan. So tuned to find out in. Over time.

That's a great, great question. Most like Tegown. Most like Tegg. And if you're getting spicy, how about a Kerry Vincent? Okay. I can do that too.

All right. Tay Gowan, I'm going to say, well, let me ask you this question first. Okay. Give me your... My memory of Taygown? Yes, your memory of Taygown.

And I want each other. A little bit of length. Yes. A little bit of speed. Okay. That's about it. Yeah, I just remember being tall, skinny, and fast, and I just remember him going to the podium.

Very nice guy. Going up to the podium and then... Yeah, because they treated for three guys. During the pandemic Yeah He just walked into the podium And we all were like, I don't know what to ask this guy

So how'd you feel practice went for you today? Yeah How do you spell your name? Yeah I would say Charles Demings is the Tegg Allen. Okay He's probably the only like pure like late round corner Where I'm like, okay, like there's a little bit of something there

6-1 and change 32 and a quarter inch arms, 193 pounds Got above average size, round 4-4-1 Pressman skills, set. Film is a little bit up and down. Was that the senior ball? You know, I thought he was fine. But yeah, like some of the names I wrote down,

Joshua Williams, who was a fourth round pick out of Fayetteville State, I believe, by the chiefs. DeAndre Haal, another former eagle there, and a Caleb Evans. I think those are all the same archetype as Tegg Allen. All right. Carrie Vincent, a little bit smaller, a little bit more linearly athletic.

Yep. But struggle to find the ball. Yep. Looking through my list here. I'm gonna go, this guy's a little bit taller. Lorenzo Stiles Jr., Ohio State. I mean, he ran 427,

and then that was the thing with- 4-27. Yeah, Vincent was, Vincent timed really, because he was like a big-time track guy, if members were. I think you were right. Safety was a former receiver at Notre Dame,

then transferred, obviously his brother is Sonny Stiles, so they're both in this class. He's probably a little bit bigger, but I look at him as like, all right, like kind of a smaller safety with nickel flex, like Vincent. This is interesting.

The number one athlete comparison for Tegowan is. Hezekiah Massis. Oh. And you know who else is on the board at the very bottom? A. Beyond Terrell. For Teggall?

Teggallin. Probably good. Yeah. Interesting. Nobody from 2026 on the Kerry Vincent page. It is, by the way, that is a very good way to say like, say, like, who are some players that, like the Eagles could be interested in is if you're able to go to those spider charts. I like, you know, it's a great way to find like prototypes. I love a spider chart.

If I ask you who looks like an Eagles type to you, even if it's somebody that we've already talked about on day three, who jumps to mind? Day three. Well, here's the thing. So what is, when I think of day three, and I'm doing this to Philibuster a little bit, when you're talking day three for the Eagles, you're looking for like the unique traits that make you a start. They don't, they're not trying to draft backups and role players. They want guys that have the ability to grow into being a starter. So, uh, you definitely want

something unique about them that sets them apart, uh, to be able to come in. How about Dalyland Everett? I just did what you, I just did what you told us to and he was on Quinnian Mitchell's page. How about he? Yeah. How about T.J. Hall? I worry about the, at school. T.J. Hall, I worry about the, I worry about the speed. I don't, I think he might get ruled out there. Now, unless they view him as a safety, which they might. Yeah. His physicality was fun to on physicality's there um ever it's possible you know i it's so dailen everett out of georgia is true senior he's played a lot of football three-year starter uh will be 22 years old was a former uh big time recruit yeah that's i think that's an eagles type you know i i think that he's a little frustrating

but i think he could he could make some sense damani jackson's another one uh from alabama who was a red shirt junior like former like big time recruit at u sc uh was it made or made or D High School, which a big time high school program. Eli Ricks came out of out of there, but he was a big time track athlete. Like, you know, crazy, crazy times coming out, like tied the state record in the 100 meter in California. But he's been banged up with bad injuries. And Alabama, he got benched last year.

And so, like, volatile play. You're getting a day three dart throw, like DeMani Jackson. Again, like, that's the right program. I think that they're kind of be fishing in. It'd be another name to keep an eye on. Okay. I got one last name for a guy who I just kind of liked when I didn't six or six or seven

did not test very well, Colin Wright from Stanford. Yeah, I didn't like to. You don't like him? Yeah, he was one I really struggled with. He was at the senior bowl, Redshirt Jr., so he had another year of eligibility if he wanted to go back. I just, I struggled with him.

To me, like, he would be in a typical draft, I'd be like, I don't know if he gets drafted. He's going to get drafted this year because of numbers. But yeah, I didn't love him on tape. Okay. EJ, water gun to your heel to the Eagles dropped a corner in the first five rounds. First five rounds?

Yes. Yeah, I would guess that. Now, heel's not the worst spot to get a water gun to. Well, I'm not trying to threaten you. Yeah, but still, there are worse spots. Not a sicko. What do you mean? That's a long-running bit.

I know the water gun to your pinky toe. I know that. I'm just saying, like, of all the places that you could have a water gun shot at you, I think that's the point though. Yeah, but like, you know, if he said in your ear, now, now the stakes are higher. I think he's trying to make the stakes not high. Yeah. No, I think sometimes the stakes got, they have to be high.

It's not the point of the, that's not the point of the line. Rank the three, rank the three places you would least like to get hit by Watergun. Yeah. Now we're talking. Uh, ear, probably number one. Okay. We're talking like high powered, like super super super. I'm keeping this PG, even though we're in overtime.

You can do it every one. No, I'm going to keep a PG. So we're assuming you're clothed. Yeah, and I'm assuming like my eyes are off limits. Like you're not going to spray me right in the eye like that. Clearly that's one would be one of them though. All right. Then eyes probably one.

Okay. No, ears number one. I think ears number one. Eyes two. I think ears number one. Like if you're like violently up my nose. If like it's like you have like your point blank range, if your point blank range, the nose is number three.

Okay. You agree or disagree? I think ear is number one. Yeah. Okay. Ears tough. So if you really want, like you want the stakes to be high, water gun in your ear. Water in your ear is like what it's like one of the worst feelings possible.

When I was a kid, I used to get water stuck in my ears a lot because I had like tubes in my ears and I was a baby or something. So it's like hard to get it out. Yeah. Oh, it was worse. When I was a teenager, like it might have been early college, went camping and went, what do they call it when you like the big rock? and you jump off into the water. Like the big cliff diving? Yeah, like something like it was like yeah.

There was like there was like the huge rocks and it's like a you know, I don't know. Like it was a big drop down down below and it's a big pool underneath. And so like jumped down in the bottom and went straight down to the bottom. Came up and I must have like blown something. Had water in my ear the rest of the like the like could not for days. Couldn't get the water out. And now I have to wear earplugs like going to the pool. Really?

Yeah. I like I used to wear your plugs in the pool. Have you ever done the rubbing alcohol? trick. Like you put rubbing alcohol on your ear. You let it like coat the, uh, yeah. It coats the outer whatever. The coat's the perimeter of your ear. And then you can tip it and the water will come out. Yeah. I literally like I'm on that trip.

I like laid laid down on my side for hours like at night sleep and like nothing could not get that thing out. It's the worst. Yeah. One more quick nonsense thing. Okay. Are you guys into fair life milk? Have I talked to you guys about this? You have talked to me about it. Are you, uh, you just drink regular dairy milk? Yeah. Okay. Well, for those of you out there that don't drink dairy milk, I can't give out free ads, I guess, but I already did.

Yeah, too late. It's made the switch. Sheel gave it a ringing endorsement. He said that they buy so much of this stuff that it seems like they're having a fair life milk rager, which was funny. Yeah, it's been a big change for me, been an important change in my life. I think it'll be more efficient. You're not running to the bathroom as often.

Well, I was drinking oat milk before. And it's just, I mean, oat milk's fine, but it's not the healthiest. Like, it's got a lot of attitude. Got it. So it's been a good change. Congrats. Thank you. Good stuff.

All right. You got a lot of prep to do before tonight. I'm jumping on CHGO in 20 minutes. I've got P.HNX at 5. And here I'm heading across the street. We've got a lot going on today. All right. Well, it'll do it for today's episode of the P.H.O.E.E.L.E.S.

Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, E.J. Thank you, everybody in the chat for the wonderful conversation. Great to see. The marketplace of ideas. We love seeing discourse on social media. That's fantastic. That'll do it.

We'll talk to tomorrow as our draft previews continue. And as always, we love you.