PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Draft Day 3! QB Cole Payton, SUPER ATHLETE Uar Bernard & More | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 26, 2026

After drafting Makai Lemon, Eli Stowers and Markel Bell and trading for Jonathan Greenard. Howie Roseman kept us entertained for SEVEN HOURS with five picks, including QB Cole Payton and the Jordan Mailata-like DT Uar Bernard.    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

We are here, everybody. Hello and welcome to day three of the PHLY Eagles draft show presented by the Fanatics app. And Ashley, Bowulf, Fran Duffy, E.J. Smith will join us in just a little bit. He's on his way back from the Jonathan Grenard press conference. Fantastic. Beautiful. We got a long way to go. So everybody's settled down.

Buckle in. Get comfortable. Cozy. Eagles do not pick until the middle of the fifth round. And the fourth round is just getting underway. That's okay. We had like a 25 minute sprint period last night. Right.

Where three big things happen. Correct. And now there's 110 pick spread in between Eagles picks. Eagles pick at number one, 78. Do they pick at the fourth to last pick of the fifth round? So it's not just like you're waiting for a fifth round pick. Yeah. You're waiting for the end of the fifth round.

101 is where we will begin today with the Buffalo Bills. Do you think they pick at 178? I'm going to say yes. Yeah. I'm going to say yes. You want them to trade down and get more? I want them to trade down and get more. I think they're going to pick at 178 and then at 197, they'll parachute down.

Okay. And hopefully get like a six and two sevens out of that. Okay. And then they'll exit with four picks from the day. Four picks in the day if it make me feel better. Yeah. I love day three of the draft This is what it's all about

And this is like Day three of the draft is nice For the sickos If you've got Fran Shepherding you through it This is this is fantastic We're gonna get into everybody Who's gonna go on this day

I have a It's like this Like hit in the The bottom of my stomach Go ahead Okay That because of the nature Of this draft

Yeah There are just gonna be guys like that I have never heard of that get drafted in like the sixth round which yeah that's what I mean like that's what I'm concerned about is that like a guy completely off the radar okay um so I hope it doesn't happen but this if it's going to happen it's good it would be a draft like this one you would think so yeah um we did a little video at the end of last night about the potential guys they could go for I think we got a long time before we need to really get back into that

again but we know that how he likes traits yep it's you know we're thinking about a fifth round pick here. This is not going to be somebody who's going to make an impact, but in terms of in an ideal world, the kind of player that you would like to see added to the depth of this roster, what positions there would be a focus for you? Yeah, I think for me, adding some kind of defensive back that's got some level of traits,

I think would be definitely advantageous. So whether it's a corner or a safety, I'm good with either one of those. I'd continue to look at linebacker potentially. Just because of the, I'm looking at the depth of the class. I think there's good players available at linebacker. Tight end, I'd absolutely continue looking at. After that, I'm open.

How about you? I'm pretty open to everything. I would say, I would still, I mean, we can get to tight end because we should have a larger Eli Stowers conversation here in a minute. Tight end, I think, an interior offensive lineman. Okay, yep. Potentially an upfield defensive tackle. Right. And then secondary.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's unlikely you're going to draft a safety in the fifth round who's going to really compete to start right away. But, you know, you could take a shot. Yeah. Yeah. And look, there's we, even like how we talked about it last night,

we get the idea of the types of players that we're going to be searching out for. He said it last night, you know, the unusual qualities. And he says this every year during the draft, getting a sense of exactly what the Eagles are hunting up for. It's not going to be, you know, you're, you're, your Reed blanket chips, your TJ Edwards is like that, you know, the, you're Corey Clements where it's just like tough, gritty, instinctive, you know, like that, they wait until undrafted free agency for players like that.

In the third round, or in the third round through seventh round, it's going to be a guy that's got great size. It's got a guy that great speed, great lateral quickness. He has something great about the skill set that gives you faith in the upside moving forward. And so those are the kinds of profiles that you want to be looking through as they, you get ready to try and weed through who they might select here today. In this promotion out here, say watch Fran Cook. You know.

That's right. Well, should we have the Stowers conversation now? Do you want to talk to Gannard? Yeah. It sucks Stowers. Okay. There are, you know, some people are, well, France got him as a tight end 12 and the egos are taking it. I think there is some, there's a lot of context.

Yep. That needs to be passed along here about just the way that you grade guys. Yes. You know, you're grading them as an overall player. Yeah, grade them as a player. And it's not the order that I thought they were going to come off the board. It's not like, you know, it's a few years from now. There's a wide range of outcomes with every player, right?

I'm not saying that there is no chance that he becomes a good player. I'm not saying that it's definite that he's going to be out of the league in two years, right? There's a wide range of outcomes. I think the most likely outcome is that he's the 12th best tight end from this class. That's kind of I think his most likely outcome. after I did my evaluation, I think because there is a wide variance with what I've come to,

like his usage in the NFL is a tight needle threat and we can get into why that's the case. Okay. Well, let's get into that. Yeah. Because you are, you know, that's your evaluation of him as,

the 12th best head end as an overall player, but you acknowledge that he has specific tools in his body that are very rare that the egos would covet and that they're going to dream on, you know, as an overall. a player, like if we were doing, if this was, if this was baseball and we had actual like war and you were able to take his defense into account or his blocking.

Wins above replacement for, you know, but the Eagles are drafting him. Yes. In theory, not because they think he can be Dallas Goddard, even though how he threw that comp on him on the phone call, but because they think he can be a difference maker as a receiving tight end. Yes. And look, it's in the draft guide. He's got a truly unique combination of. A.m. athletic testing scores and production. Like when you compare that and then you look at who are the other tight ends that have come out in recent years

on a her route basis, have put up numbers and then have tested that way, it is a phenomenal, phenomenal list. Right? So if you don't even not need to watch a down and you look at that and you say, yeah, take this guy all day.

That said, there's one aspect of the profile from a production standpoint that can throw that off. And when I look at tight ends, where they, what is their role in the course of the offense? I could sit there and just watch every target, right? And say like, okay, like, yeah, this is what this guy can do. They played 13 games last year, Vanderbilt. They played 13 games the year before.

He started five of those 13 games last year. He started five games the year before. He was a role player in that offense. He was not the starting tight end. And so in college, you're talking about playing. And yes, making the conversion from quarterback, but that's baked in to this evaluation and baked in to this presentation.

and baked in to this projection, right? So understanding, like, yeah, there is development needed, but in college was never the full-time guy at Vanderbilt, never the full-time guy. So, you know, to me, that's a little bit of like a yellow flag, right? He played fewer than 500 snaps last year. And so when he was out there, it was over 90% of his snaps were routes.

They didn't ask him to block often, and when he did, when he did, they didn't go well. So if you're looking at yards per route run, the fact that he didn't run a ton of routes because he didn't play as many snaps as some of these other guys, that's going to throw those efficiency numbers off. And so that will make that profile look a little bit better from a pure production standpoint.

Now, let me just say what those numbers are. Yes. The counterbalance. They're phenomenal. 2.34 yards per route run. This is all in the diehard draft guide. Yes. So this is, you know, you are also presenting this picture,

which is the 90th percentile among charted tight ends drafted in the last decade. with only 10 players producing at a higher rate, and every single one of those was either a starter or an impactful backup. So you've got Harold Fanon Jr., Dallas Goddard, Adam Troutman, Brock Bowers, Harrison Bryant, Caleb Wilson is the only alone exception, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely, Gerald Everett, Kyle Pitts,

and he had the most third-down conversions in the entire country of college football combined over the past two seasons. Yes. So he's been extremely productive. Now, if you are a local affiliate, by the way, we're doing an event. There's Jermad McCoy, by the way. First pick of the fourth round, the Raiders, yeah.

There we go. If you're local affiliate, we're going to be doing, like, the film breakdown, another film breakdown segment for Diehard, so, you know, you can come and join us, and we'll go through all the film on the, you know, like, the usage of Eli Stowers and, you know, all the different routes that he was asked to run and things like that. I still think he has to grow as a route runner, but that's understandable, considering the fact that he's only played a couple years at the position. But the big thing that I would point to, okay, is when I look at.

look at guys that have this kind of profile that have been first or second day draft picks over the last decade. Okay. Here are some names that come to mind. Okay. Noah Phant, first round pick coming out of Iowa. Yeah. Mike Gisicki was a day two pick out of Penn State. I think, I think you are hoping he becomes Mike Gassicki. Right. And Mike Gassiki has, you know, kind of bounced around. He's not, you would not call him a top tight end in, a top 10 tight end in football, like was a second round pick by the Dolphins. And he's been in Cincinnati and okay, but they always pair him with somebody else, right? Kyle Pitts, that's a conversation that everyone's going to continue to have.

Evan Ingram, who was a player that I've kind of likened him to and said, yeah, you hope it becomes Evan Ingram. Dalton Kincaid, Luke Musgrave, which I want to come back to Musgrave. These are all players that were highly athletic, past catchers first, limited in terms of blocking. And all of them, you know, different variations of limits as a blocker. But in terms of like overall profile, like that's the archetype. that we're talking about.

When I go through that list, those were guys that did not meet expectation, did not live up, and you always wanted to pair them with somebody else, right? And so we're saying like, okay, this is what we're aiming for with Eli Stowers. That's a little bit of a question. And honestly, I wanted to go back to the Musgrave one.

Because Musgrave, it was very similar. He was coming out of Oregon State. He was everyone fell in love with the player because of the body type, and he went to the combine, he tested really well, and he was a second round pick. And in the very next round,

Green Bay selected Tucker Kraft. And Tucker Kraft, like, I was like, oh, like, really good blocker. He produced a pretty high rate, but, like, the numbers weren't outstanding. Craft surpassed him on the depth chart immediately, and he was their, their every down guy. And Musgrave is kind of a, like, he's an afterthought now in that offense. We go through some of those other players, like, it's a struggle to always be able to get consistent production out of those guys. And if you go into, like, the end of the summary that I wrote in the draft guide, yes,

there is a chance that he can be, he can be the realized version of all these players. But if you go through that list, he's like, all right, this is the archetype of player. More often than not, they struck,

the coaches and teams have trouble really locking into that skill set and saying, yeah, we are going to unlock how this guy is going to really kind of open up everything else for us offensively. It's a very tight needle of thread.

Do you get into the late third round? If you took him where he took Markell Bell, I'm better with that pick, I think. You can sell me a little bit more on that. Let me ask you this. The lack of blocking. Yeah.

Him being so bad at it, even when he's rarely asked to do it. The fact that he has only been playing this position for two years, do you see tools in his body to be able to get competent there? So he was initially, he was coming out in the last year's draft. Yeah. So he was going to come out in the last draft and he ended up going back. I studied him because he had committed to the Shrine Bowl, and I hadn't done him yet.

Okay. Knew the book on him a little bit. And I was like, oh man, like this guy, like he's got ways to go as a blocker. Like, you know, basically you cannot use him right now. And so he decided to go back to school. So I said, okay, if he's going back to school, let's put this one to bed. We'll come back to it in 2025. Very early the season, I made it a priority.

All right, let's get a couple games in a stowers. Let's see how much better he got as a blocker. Because it's another year and they knew, like that was something he talked about. I was like, I have to get better as a blocker. That's a priority for me here this fall. didn't get better. Like, to me, like, I did not see, like, big, big strides in his game. Now, maybe another year.

You could say, like, all right, well, he's still in an SEC weight program, like, SEC coaching. They've actually, Vanderblet's got, has a really good coaching staff. You know, I was hoping to see a little bit more development there. He's not like an old, but, you know, like he's a, he's an older prospect. Yeah. Yes. Could he continue to get better?

potentially, but that was the hope for a lot of these guys that we're talking about, right? You know, the hope was that Musgrave was going to get better. The hope was that Evan Ingram was going to get better. The hope was that Mike Asikki was going to get better. So they all still have not been able to really reach that ultimate upside. Just turned 23 for the record, Stowers. Now, if you are thinking about it like the Eagles, as if you are not really worried about his blocking, You are, your plan for him is to always sort of pair him with a blocking tight end.

Does that change your evaluation or your opinion of the resource being used? I think it is the, it is probably more the resource being used. But even still, like we have seen them kind of get stuck in this in the past. And honestly, you could point, a good example would be Dalton Kincaid, right? Because that was the idea in Buffalo. They already had Dawson Knox and they took Dalton Kincaid and was like, we are going to be a 12 personnel team and we are going to win these matchups right we are we are going to take advantage of but teams know if you become one dimensional with that if Eli stowers

comes out there you're not fooling anybody like oh all right this is a passing down and if if Johnny munts out there oh this is this is a running situation you the ultimate versatility is not oh yeah like this guy's he's a he's a tight-ended name and then he's a he's a great pass catcher that's not versatility I go back this is actually a jim schwartz quote it was one of my one of his first press conferences in Philly and he talked about this and he was applying he was applying it across the board to all positions it's like true versatility is when you that player is out there and the other team does not know what you're doing with that player if it's run if it's past is it zone is it man is it blitz is it coverage like whatever you want is he lining up inside is line

about that that is versatility so to me when I'm looking at Stowers right now he is a pass only player people I'm getting people my mentions too like comparing them to Earths like to me, like he is not the same player. He's more explosive athlete. Yeah. And people are talking about like the John Mackey War. Oh, like, you know, he's, look at all the, the last four people that have won the Mackey Award. They're the best tie ends in football.

Okay. Go to five years ago. Go to seven years ago. Go to nine years ago. The moment that college football awards are an automatic predictor. Yeah, come on. Yeah. Like, all right.

Let's throw out the entire process then. And we'll just take that, you know, Diogo Pavia was his quarterback. It was a Heisman finalist. Was this close to win in the Heisman. If he wins the Heisman, like, oh, there's, this. Does that mean he's the best quarterback? To me, it is not that simple. Okay.

But obviously, there was real momentum in the building behind him. Had to be. So how do you explain that, knowing the building as well as you do? You really get excited about the traits, right? And it's what the ultimate upside is as a pass catcher and the fact that he's a phenomenal kid. And to your point about like, all right, he's only been playing tight end for three years. So there's upside there, more meat on the bone. and you bet on the upside.

So that's, to me, like, and I get it. That's why if you go into the guide, I had it as a second or third round pick, everything I had heard, like this was the range. Like the value, I don't think it was necessarily a, oh man, like they really reached on the player because this is where he was projected to go. It's just not a bet that I would have felt comfortable making.

I would also like to ask you about him as a receiver. Yep. Because it's fair to say, right, that as productive as he was, he's not a polished. No. receiver, right? Yep. He's sort of winning by being the biggest and the fastest. Biggest and fastest. You know, they, they did like, you know, a lot where it was like shallow crosses, RPO's,

pop passes, like, schemed up things in the offense. It's not like, you know, because Zach is he winning after the catch as well or is it more just contested? I can pull what the numbers are. They were, they were, he's got the ability to create. Like, he's got space and, you know, that explosiveness does show up. But again, like, you know, it's not like they've been a bit. like screen team like you know so just like like it all it really does go back to manion yeah it's like lemon um i'm really interested to see how they use these guys yep it's you know the the the worst version of this is he becomes the keem butler and right you're just like okay we're on we're on the two yard line let's throw that let's throw that fade to eli stowers bring him on the field here we

go yep i think we i think we are expecting that there's going to be more like structural structural structural from the bones identity to this offense where they have a plan for him. But that better be the case. Yeah. I mean, to me, like, you have to be really convicted on him as a receiver if you're taking them this high, and clearly they are, right? And there's, you know, going even through my notes, like really fluid pass catcher, looks confident and comfortable at the catch point.

We'll go up and attack it, very capable, contested catch weapon. They gave him the ball on screens, on shovel passes, pitches, triple options. Like, they like him with the ball in his hands in that offense at Vanderbilt. my guess is yeah okay let's let's put all of that stuff here uh into the eagles offense but again like just the there's a lot of development needed and if he does not come along as a blocker it's tough to get him on the field as a as a full-time player it's going to be interesting yeah he's going to be fun to watch in training camp no question um i the other part about it as we've talked about if you have uh been watching the past couple days that i'm just

just a little bit wary of is it, it does feel almost too connected to AJ Brown. Right? And it's like, okay, we're losing AJ Brown. Yep. We're going to replace him with Mackay Lemon and Eli Stowers. You know, someone who can win over the middle of the field,

do the dirty work, and an explosive tight end who can win down the field too. And it's the, you know, recreate him in the aggregate thing. And then Dontavian Wicks can win in the intermediate routes. Like, we're going to have enough guys to replace him but now you are spending so many resources just fridering over a hole. Yeah, it's,

it's a tough conversation because I do agree with you. I think they are trying to say, like we're just going to throw as many possible solutions and maybe two of those five gambles hit, right? You know, between Hollywood Brown, Dontavia and Wicks, you throw in Stowers, you throw in obviously, McCoy Lemon. Yeah.

It's going to be interesting to see how it all comes out, especially like the idea of him, you know, talking about Stowers, like in the slot as a weapon. It's like, all right, well, I think Mackay Lemon, like a lot of his best work, I think comes from the slot. You have Devante Smith in the slot. Wix can line up in the slot. You still have Dallas Goddard on the team.

Like there's a, it's going to be a really interesting combination of weapons and how these guys are all used. The only place that I do disappear with you a little bit is if he is a, is a zero as a blocker, but he is a difference making receiver, that's fine for them. I think, you know,

even if it's giving away pass, if he can be, you know, better than Gisiki at his best, I think that's a fine person to have on the team. Yeah, I think it's a good pick. Right.

That's the case. Yes, okay. So a good pick, a good use of the second round pick. Yeah. Got it. Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, that is what is also funny about it is, you know, we were joking yesterday about how he just lying about at tight ends. But like, this is the specific prototype that Howie has chased. Right. For a long time. Right. You know, we could go down the list of all the guys he's had in the building who are. Albert O and, you know, all of these games, what's his name?

Tyree Jackson. Like all these guys. Yeah, like he has sort of chased this high. Yep. And now he's spending a real premium resource on it. we'll see how it goes. Even one of the guys that you'd said on that list

of the high production, high athleticism, Caleb Wilson. Yeah. To me, yes, if he reaches his upside, it's a good pick.

I just, I struggle. I think in terms of like range of outcomes, if we're looking like a pie chart, if we want to lay out turkeys, like what, I would be lower on the end of him reaching the upside.

Okay. All right. We'll get a little bit more positive as the day goes on. We'll talk about Jonathan Grenard in a little bit. We're excited about Markel bell, no doubt about that. But we do have to take our first break of the afternoon. Stay with us.

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You want to talk about these early picks in the fourth round? Yeah, let's roll through some. Take them through it. So Germant McCoy goes off the board. Good for him. First pick to the Raiders. Yep. what have you heard about the knee? I mean, clearly a lot more reservations about it

than I would have expected. Yeah. You know, and what I think everybody expected. The thought was that he was going to slide, but it wouldn't be that far because there were people still going in. Like, all right, like, maybe midway through the second would be like the furthest he would fall.

And clearly much later than that. Okay. Second pick of the round, the Buffalo Bills, take a player we talked about, a visit, pre-draft visit for the Eagles. Jude Bowery. Okay. Yeah.

He's a, he's a really interesting player. Like I, I preferred Markell Bell personally. Um, but I think with Bowery, he really won me over. He's a,

he's a well proportioned athlete. He moves pretty well. Hey, I didn't love him on tape. It was more just kind of like seeing him up close. I was like, okay, like seeing him up close, work out. You kind of see the movement,

the size. Um, consistently kind of banged up all the time. So that's why he fell to this part of the draft. This is actually a really fun stretch of picks guys, guys that I like. Day three is just love day three. Number three overall are in this round, the New York Jets. My Brodrick Bunkley Comp, Darrell Jackson, Jr., from Florida State.

Yeah, he was a guy that was, you know, many thought that he might be a potential first round pick just because of the traits. He's big, he's long, he's really strong and powerful. The flashes are phenomenal. You just couldn't, like, always get it out of them. So, and that was the big thing with, it was just kind of psych seeing, like, man, like, if you saw that player all the time, you said he went to the Jets. Right? Yes. Yes.

Yeah. I mean, that's the kind of upside swing I would expect from them. He's a younger senior. I'd say, that's an interesting pick. Next pick of the round.

The PHNX guys have, have somebody fun. Yeah. Did you see this? I did see this one. Caleb Proctor. I like Caleb Proctor from southeast Louisiana. Yeah.

The arrow's pointing up on that player, small school. He, I believe, is the first FCS player drafted. No FCS players yesterday or more. What about her? No,

he was their, Oh, really? Their FBS, yeah. Interesting, okay. Or a group of five or, you know, group of six, whatever we call that now. But it's non-power five, Georgia State. I think, yeah, there's Sunbelt. Okay.

First FCS player, which is that's the first time an FCS player has not gone round one or round two or three. Los Angeles Chargers had a little speed. I didn't see this one. Brennan Thompson from Mississippi State. That's this guy in the draft and real speed. Real speed. He's...

And had a really jump in production this last year. Yes. Top of 1,000 yards with... He was, I believe, I believe the leading receiver in the SEC. And it could have been... There was a lot of production even left on the field,

like underthrown passes, things like that. He's got real wheels. There was, like, you know... He like, puts a smile on your face when you see him like, because he is teeny tiny, but he is speedy-fasty.

The upside is extremely high as a route runner, too. Like, there are flashes of him as a route runner where, like, kind of like, maybe like sit up my... I was like, oh, yeah, this guy's got ability. Like, we're really,

cooking here, but, you know, a lot of variance with this play. And then the most recent pick, the Houston Texans, a player we talked about on the potential possible guys for the Eagles, and one of the most fun names to say in the draft, Fabiichi Weewu. He's third type. Is he, okay. So they go, they get Weewu and Keel and Rutledge. Yes. The Texans are my favorite type of drafting team because I can go through my list. Oh, that's funny. And it's just like, yep, Texans guy, Texans guy, Texans guy, Texans guy, Texans guy. And what makes it a Texans guy? They like, first of all, is like toughness and physicality in space. Like they want guys that are, you know, get after you type of players, whether it's on

offense or defense. It really shows up on defense. But from what I gathered, like, they really wanted to hunt those guys up on offense this year as well. And that's that is absolutely their kind of pick. They're willing to take medical risks. They are, they'll take guys all over the board from like a youth and age standpoint. They're not afraid of an overage player.

But they, they want toughness, physicality, like guys that are going to match to Miko Ryan's energy. So that's a great one. I like that. Okay. There we go. Which is your favorite so far? My favorite of those picks, I guess from a fit standpoint, it's probably, it's probably

we will. This was a guy I was higher on the consensus. Fun thing to say. Yeah. I mean, no question. Yeah, he's, I'd say, that's a fun one. I like that one a lot. Okay.

There you go. We'll wait to getting to Grenard for when E. comes back because he can tell us a little bit about the press conference. What do you make of him just already being at the Sixers game last night before the trade was even announced? I mean, it was like everyone knew that this was happening. My guess is maybe he came in. Do a physical? Do a physical?

Yeah. Although I don't know if he's allowed to take the physical before. For a deal? I don't know. Or maybe he's just like it. No, it is. Because that's the, it's not completed until. I get it because that's the thing is that like what would be the only other thing holding this up?

If it was just like if everyone. knew it was like this worst kept secret. Yeah. Something like what else would have held it up? I don't know. Yeah. It had to be physical. Yeah.

I guess so. Super chats early on. Good to see the people. Make sure you're hitting the like button, please. James C. Day three is where good GMs shine. Winning the margins and taking swings. Someone should air drop the all city draft guide over to Howie's computer.

As if they don't just have it up on a big screen in the draft room. They definitely don't have it up on a big screen in the draft room. No, this is, most teams, most general managers will call this the scout today. It's like, you know, you want to, and that's why the Eagles have done the, the Red Star meeting, like, things like that. There's a passion player meeting this morning. Yep. So it's like, who do you as a scout, like, feel best about?

And we want to, we want to make sure we're rewarding that hard work kind of deal. This is a fun one. This is a fun day. Arthur Bowelph Smith. Eli Heidenreich, no matter what. Go Navy beat Army. Hmm. He's one of my favorite players.

Oh, so fun. I think we're going to do that today. Our guys. Our guys. Teaser. He's my receiver. You know what? I almost put him in there.

And then I was like, I think maybe you're going to do it. Yeah, he's my receiver. I love him too. Yeah. Now, probably duplicative with McKinnell Lemon, but I mean, you're not worried about that in round five. No. You take who's there. Yeah.

That would be, he would be fun. I agree with that. But there's like you really think about like the McVeigh offense. You know, there's a spot for. No question. Heinrich. Come on in EJ. Good to see him, my friend. So,

we're going to talk through Gnard, now the DJ's here, and he's at the presser? Sure. I think I have, after sleeping on that move, because I, I liked the move.

I liked the move. I liked the trade last night. Okay. It was a lot, it's a lot of money. It was, you know, giving up two threes. Like, all right, like, you're paying. But to me, he's a good player. And at the end of the day,

like, he becomes their best pass rusher. I've become, more okay with this one after sleeping on it over overnight. Like where I was still, I was never against you. Yeah, I was never against the value of it. Like it's this train of third round picks that have been. I think I got over the sticker. It was a little bit of sticker shot.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a little sticker shot. I think it's fair to say. Hello, everybody. Hello, chat. EJ. EJ. EJ.

Yeah, I think that it was a little bit more than we expected them to trade initially, which, again, we were basing that off of just our feeling on what it might cost. But I, I like the most. I like it more now, especially. I gotta be honest with you guys. We like them. Jonathan Gernard, early favorite for the media's, I don't know, what do we call it now?

We don't call it the good guy award. Oh, really? Wow. Yeah, yeah. He's a very genuine guy, you know? He seemed like a very, very personable. He shook everybody's hand, wanted to know everybody's name. And Brooks Kubena from the athletic, I mean, he covered him in Houston.

Right. And, you know, because I'll be honest. Like, I've had this with players before. or introductory press conferences, you're getting their, they're bright. Sure, sure. Their most outward self, Brooke said that this is who he is all the time, you know, in the locker room, he actually maybe even is more personable.

So we can't, we've, Jordan Milana and Jordan Davis are the two players that have won. I can't remember what it's called, the stand-up guy or whatever it's called. Yeah. We'll call it the good guy word for the case, for the, for the point of the story. Whatever it is, the one with the, once upon time had a phallic trophy? Yes, yes. Do you love bringing up? favorite college clubs.

A good match for green arts. So you can't win it twice. You can't. So Jordan Milata, Jordan Davis, out of the running. I don't know which Eagles players that were on last year's roster

would really be strong contenders. Coby Dean probably would have won it. You came back, but I think Jonathan Granard, he's got the inside track based off our first interaction. Early on, too. Wow.

I wasn't the only one who said this. Smitten. Yeah, he seemed like a good guy. Tell us about what he said. Well, I guess we're going to, you don't have to tell us about it because we're going to get to play it in a little bit, which will be exciting.

I think the Grenard thing is like this is how we knowing what he had to do, right? Yeah. He experimented with last offseason a bunch of patchwork guys knowing that he could address it in season if need be. I don't think he wanted to go with that route again. I do think that their evaluation internally of Nolan Smith is connected here. I think that's fair. But there's no doubt that Granard is a caliber. a player who goes to the top of that list and really changes the shape of the role.

Howard Rosen said last night that stood out to me is he mentioned the jolt, the boost that Jalen Phillips gave that defense midway through the season basically as like a proof of concept for what a player like Jonathan Grenard can do for the Eagles defense. And I think, you know, I wrote it on all p.h.oI.com this morning. I think that the Eagles filled their biggest need on defense at the very least with this trade. So I know that safety is a big topic of conversation. I'm kind of pointing at the same thing, which is that we saw what Jalen Phillips was able to do for this Eagles defense. And I think that Jonathan Grenard is that caliber of player.

A little bit maybe different stylistically, but yeah, I think he's an ideal fit. You know, I think from a play personality standpoint, from what he's capable of doing. And, you know, I think the down here is why he's a player who's available. But I think that, you know, his track record, how he was quick to point out, like he's not many guys have had the sack production that he's had over the course of the last four or five seasons and I think, you know, that for that reason, I am a fan of the move. Confirmation from a league source who was watching the show. And the deal was contingent upon the physical.

There you come in and do the physical and then they had to get done before the pick they were trading was going to be made. Yeah, that is also my understanding. And he was able to come to the Sixers game because he was in town to get the physical before the trip. The good question in the chat about are we still raising money for Big Brothers, Big Sisters? We are. The big draft continues through the end of this round.

So if you see that donation button, go free to hit it. And if you are considering becoming a big, boy, what a difference you can make in the lives of a young person who needs mentorship. That would be fantastic. Do we have the Grenard video yet?

Do you play? I sent it in our Eagles channel. We're not going to play it yet, but let's... Ooh, okay. It's a big video. Sometimes they don't... Sometimes they give up midway through. That's okay.

Yeah. couple picks to get your thoughts on yeah let's do that after that i'll jump out real quick okay uh we have another player we talked about after febechi we woo another oklahoma player goes grason halton to the san francisco 49ers which that that is a classic that tracks yep that's a classic fit get him upfield Jonah coleman my second favorite running back in the draft really after uh i thought i bet johnson was your guy says that's my favorite oh no genre i love Well, I meant aside from Jeremy. Like in a mid-round guy.

He goes to Denver. Jonah Coleman goes to Denver. Yes. Okay. That's the, they needed someone to pair with Harvey, and that's the skill set. They needed like a...

Between the tackles. Between the tackles, innings eater type. Okay. And then Kansas City drafts Oregon safety, Jadon Kennedy. Yeah, he's like a nickel safety flex type of layer. So they listed him as a safety?

That's what he's looking at. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. I'm on ESPN. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

I'm curious, like, what is the team going to announce? Yeah. Right. Yeah. No, I'm interested in what that ultimately is. But he had a solid work. I like position work out of Kennedy did. Okay.

He was at the Shrine Bowl. Yeah, nice player. They're going heavy into the secondary because they've added it. Obviously, they traded up for Delane all night one. Before you pop off, would you like, would you guys like a little update on the draft games? Yeah. I saw some questions about that in the chat. Where are we staying?

Some suggestions that I'm killing. Duck Juice, EJ is killing it, his first two picks, wide receiver and tight end. That's seven points for the first round, six points for the second round. 13 total. I drafted offensive tackle, so I've got five points. It might be impossible, even if I get every, if I get a fifth round pick, that's eight, six round pick is ten. I would need, we need to, like, four seventh round picks.

What was BLG's first pick? Edge. Tough. Tough. Yeah. First time. Well, because of Grinard. The Grinard trade was part of the calculus for...

That's true, but we did say that it didn't count. Al, you know. A little flex. See if they take a specialist. E.J. did do a good job. He identified Eli Stowers as a potential legal's pick. That is a, I believe, a five-pointer. Second round plus three points.

Unfortunately, outdone by the number one overall pick. Crazy. Who knows ball more than your boy? Wow. Markal Bell. So I've got a lead there. But you know what? Let's go through the players who are still in the board.

Okay. Could make a difference here. So E.J. Isaiah World. Yep. Not out of the question. That's it. You've got Isaiah World and that's it because Jude Bowery went.

Oh, Jude Bowery went? Yeah, just see, I've been hustling to get over here. I miss that. Ah, where'd you go? Buffalo. It was the dolphins. No, Buffalo, I think. Buffalo, I think.

Buffalo. Fran. Okay. Denied Dennis Sutton, still available. Okay. Jalen Kilgore still available. Right. Travis Burke still available.

Here's one where you really might win it. Wesley Williams. That's the one. You got the Howie Roseman connection there. And Jalen Farmer is still available. And Anthony. Yeah, I've got a lot of iron. I got a lot of iron.

That's very nice. You are very much alive. I have Justin Joe Lee still available. That's not happening. L.T. Overton still available. Good happen. Feel good about that. And Caleb Douglas still available,

which may be very late. No, Caleb Douglas is gone. He's gone? He went last night. No. Yeah, he went in the third round. Why? What an unbelievable reach that was.

That was, EJ's dolphins took care of. The dolphins are having a good draft. I texted Fran last night, like when they drafted Will Cashmerich. I was like, they got a good one, man. I'm pretty sure that's where he ended up. You're nuts. And then him and Chris Bell. Turkey's to the draft kingdom.

Eagles' first pick of the draft will be before 23. That was 70 points for me, 43 for Fran, and 55 for E. Oh, man. Second pick of the draft will be at 54. That was 50 points for me. 36 for Fran. 60 for EJ. So he made a little bit of lettuce there.

Will the Eagles make a trade involving a veteran coming or going before the close of the draft? Yes. That's 83 for me. 61 for Fran. 70 for E.J. First pick will be which position. Wide receiver was 20 for me. 18 for Fran.

10 for E. Not looking good. Second pick, tight end. I only had eight. Fran had 12. EJ had 15. The highest 27 pick traded away so far is a third round pick. That's 35 for me, 17 for Fran, 40 for EJ.

Get smoked. And then also settled as the first tight end drafted will be in the first two rounds, which is 25 for me, 37 for Fran 50 for EJ. So I think it's close between me and EJ. We can add that up later. I did not get first place in any of those categories, I don't think. You spent too much time adding up those numbers because you were going,

you weren't going with straight zeros and five. Well, still on the board is how many total picks will the Eagles make? It's looking like fewer than eight, which would be a five-point little edge for E.J. That's not good for you. You were at 60. I was at 55. Fram was at 42. Which side of the ball were they make more picks? I went 100 on offense.

You were at 80. You were at 74. You were just two clustered. You didn't go out on any limbs, I think is the problem. And then multiple players from the same position, this is one where EJ could make a game winner because he's got 75 for yes, and I've only got 40. So I need them to draft another.

I mean, they could easily. Only offensive line. That offensive line is probably what wins it for you. But quarterback, yes or no, I also, I have, if they don't draft a quarterback, that's good for me. Reflective of how much work I put into that game, I would say. Okay. Quickly before you leave, Andrew O'Rourke with the super chat.

Arande Gadsden II or Eli Stowers, who had a better, a higher Eval, who had a higher grade? I believe Stowers, and I'm sure ZB is watching. ZB, just know you're always on the record. He sent me a screen grab of a conversation from February. Was it February? Yeah, from February 6th, he said, so he messaged me about Stowers. And I said, Stowers is certainly your type, yes. And he said Stowers is the, and he said, Stowers is the Aranda Gatson debate from last year.

The ball skills translate. And I said they do, but only for a specific role. I said the charges were most limited when Gatson was out there. They could not run the ball and they did not try. ZB has been pulling up some receipts because. Oh, he's got the peacock feathers out. Oh, he's got the peacock feathers out. Oh, yeah.

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And Ashley, Fran is off to talk to some other All-City people. Seam in a little bit. A couple picks to catch you up on over the past few after the candidate selection. The Jets taking the person once expected by at least one prominent national draft analyst to be the number one overall pick in this draft. Clemson quarterback Cade Clubnick goes to the Jets. Boise State, offensive tackle, Cage Casey goes to the Denver Broncos, and then the Dallas Cowboys taking Penn State tackle, Drew Shelton.

Oh, Drew Shelton, a Downing Town West graduate, which is my neck of the woods. My cousin play for Downingtown West. Shout out to my cousin. Does he have a name? I guess he wouldn't mind if I put his name out there, Dary and Smith. He plays for Army now. Really? Yeah, great athletes.

Just a great athlete. I mean... D. Money. We have... We are an athletic family. We've had college football players. Okay. He has a chance to be the best of us.

So, shout out to Darien. What year is he? He is a redshirt freshman. Okay. What position? He's a corner. Yeah. Oh, he must be a really good athlete then.

Yeah. Yeah. He is. Yeah, he's got like a fun celebration. He goes like this every time he gets a PBO. Now does he do it even if it's an incompletion that's way over? throwing it had nothing to do with it no because he's always we've done a lot of scouting reports okay

that guy's always around the ball man got nose for the football okay natural athlete uh a very generous super chat donation oh zachary john my man a hundred bones thank you for nonstop coverage all year great efforts for a great cause thank you zachary man we appreciate you guys hanging with us and we appreciate you zachary thank you very much that's fantastic absolutely um there was a question about How did Grinard look? The person thought he looked small on the press conference. How did he look to you physically? You know, he definitely is more in the line with like Nolan Smith and Jailix Hunt than Jalen Phillips.

He's not someone that is like, oh man, like this guy, he doesn't have that Josh Swet Jalen Phillips build where it's like prototypical edge setting defensive end. But I think that that informs the fact that like he is versatile enough to drop into coverage. And, you know, I don't think Vic Fangio, I think he likes to have a. heavy edge in the rotation, but it's not a prerequisite for all the guys in the room. Okay. But yeah, definitely a little smaller than I maybe would have expected. Let's take some time to talk about the press conference last night. Yeah.

Between Harry Roseman and Nick Siriani, because that happened after the end of the show. You were there. Mm-hmm. You got there just in time. I did. Fighting Sixers traffic. Yeah, this is a very, like, E.J. story. Like, I leave.

And within five minutes, I'm like second-guessing myself, like, I've left. You know, like, Bo might have to do the show by himself. I texted Lindsay. I was like, is both upset that I left? He's so mad. So she told you already. Like,

what, what history of us in the show together has you thinking that I would be mad that you left? I mean, just, it's a stressful time,

you know? It's, this is like, this is, it goes back to Jordan Routarying and Greg Rosenthal. Like, it's the,

are you okay? You know, it's just my nature. So I'm second guessing myself. I'm like, oh, did I make the right call out? And like, I just pull up

and I see all the Sixers traffic between me and the Jefferson Health Complex. like man this is just brutal and I'm like you know going through like my catastrophizing I'm going to miss the whole press conference yeah I got there with plenty well not with plenty of time I got there right as they were walking up yeah and I think I took the second or third question to breathlessly ask yeah about Eli about his blocking ability which is very on brand for me that is the exact question

I needed to get it's just getting you know I get excited about yeah and what did they say So Howie Rosman, so Nick Siriani said that, you know, he's a dynamic player. Lottor's job. Yeah, what does this mean for Cam Lottu? Nick Sirian, he said he's a dynamic player that can do a lot of things. And Howie Roseman made a point of answering the question as well. Like Nick had answered the question and Howie jumped in to say they don't focus on what players can do. They focus on what they can do.

If you focus on, if you harp on what a player's limitations are, you're going to have issues with some of the top players in the draft. That was how he rose from sentiment. And, you know, I drove home, thought about it. I wrote about it for on all p.h.oI.com. I drove in this morning thinking about it, because I'll be honest, it's a sentiment that we've heard plenty over the years. You know, honestly, listeners of the show have probably heard that sentiment a lot. And I think that that sentiment is the sentiment of someone in the front office.

That is the sentiment of someone who evaluates players for the ceilings that they have. And I can understand that because as listeners of our show know, I am a big traits guy. You know, I think that the ceiling that a player has is often informed by the physical attributes that they have. And I think that is something that you need to take into account when you're evaluating these players. But the thing that I appreciate about the way that Fran evaluates these players, and honestly, I think it's probably more in line with how a coach evaluates players is not just what can he do. It's how does he get on the field? How does he fit into a conventional role in your offense? and if he doesn't fit into a convention role,

is he a special enough player that you're going to carve out a specialist role for him? So the comparison that I have, because how he mentioned, like a lot of faith in the coaching staff and a lot of faith in the developmental staff when it comes to the things that Eli Stowers can't do. And my mind immediately goes to Connor Barwin

is a big part of that, but also like Brent Selick. You hear a lot about Brent Selick helping Grant Calcutera over the years develop as a blocker. And I know fans don't like Grant Calcutera as a blocker, But I do think, like, the Eagles have, you know, levers that they can pull to help a player improve in those areas. But to me, the comparison that I have,

if you will allow me some leeway here, is Sidney Brown. I know that that kind of sounds a little bit out there. But to me, Sidney Brown is an example of, like, the what can he do versus what can't he do? Because Sidney Brown can be very physical around the line of scrimmage. He's a great run defender. He's an aggressive player. he can have a lot of physicality as a safety.

But what couldn't he do? He couldn't operate from a post safety alignment, that effectively. He wasn't great in zone coverage, and he often overcommitted to things. So those are the deficiencies that inform the fact that he couldn't stay on the field. And especially for the Eagles,

how volatile they are on an offensive coaching staff, this is why I went with Sidney Brown as a comparison instead of Grant Calcutera, because Eli Sowers will only fit specific systems that have a plan for him. If the Eagles hire, I mean, Shane Steik. Pat Schumer. I mean, Shane Steig would be an ideal hire, obviously.

I'm trying to think if the Eagles hire somebody who wants to bring back the 2022 version of that offense. Eli Stowers all of a sudden does not fit as seamlessly as we expect him to, well, as the Eagles hope he fits in the system that they have in place now. So to me, the what can he do is a valid argument. And if you are evaluating players, I get where you come from from that standpoint. But the what can't he do is like the hurdle that you have to now clear as his coach or as a person building this game around him. I think that's good framing. We're going to take our TV break for those of you watching on TV. Stay with us.

You'll be back in two minutes for those of you on YouTube. We're here. E.J., one of our mutuals, our guy we really like together was just drafted. Jalen Farmer goes to the Indianapolis Colts. actually this is a real run of guys each of us likes because then Devin Moore oh man a corner who Fran likes a lot great tape but tested poorly he goes to the Dallas Cowboys and then Elijah Surrott well I think is a little bit undervalued goes to the Baltimore you like Elijah Surrott yeah yeah but I think watching these guys

that we like go off the board is probably a good like indicator of what it's like in the Eagles building right now yeah they got you probably already discussed this to some degree, the passion players meeting. Go ahead. We just sort of mentioned that they do that this morning. Yeah, it's one of like, as a reporter, I think it's one of the more interesting rituals that the team has, you know, in addition to what we'll see later today where the entire staff comes out to take a picture, which I also enjoy.

But the passion players meeting happens before the fourth round, before the start of day three, and it is basically the scouting department, the front office, they all get a chance to pound the table for a player that they've done extensive work on and a player that they believe in hitting their ceiling or becoming what they view as their ceiling. So it isn't, it's a, the times we've had a window into it, the times the Eagles have put out videos of that meeting. It does seem like a very special meeting. Howie Roseman talks about how much he values that meeting. And the fact that they've, they traded away their two fourth round picks, especially one early in the round, kind of like I wouldn't know the right word I guess it is fair to say that it kind of like

waters that meeting down a little bit because you're going to talk about a lot of players that are going to go off the board before you get yeah your focus is going to be more toward the fifth the sixth and the seventh round players that you expect to be there but yeah it is a it's a little bit of an anticlimactic thing because I do know how much they value that meeting yeah yeah we'll see if I was able to pick up a few picks at some point here yeah All right. We're going to take our break here. On the other side, we're going to bring you the Jonathan Grenard press conference filmed expertly by E.J. Smith, stay with us. A long way to go before the Eagles are on the board.

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I'm telling you, the Fanatics app, that's where you're going to get all that Mackay Lemon swag. How you are doing? Good, good. What was this process like for you? Obviously, there were rumors about you potentially move in. I know there's some cap issues. You seem to be happy there.

How has this whole sort of situation developed for you? Yeah. It's been a, I guess you can say challenging, not challenging, but on top of rehab, I just had my son at the end of January. It was a lot up in the air, but ultimately I knew there's going to be an end goal, and I know we're going to eventually get to the bottom of it. I'm just glad now that we're at the end of it now. I can just worry about football.

So I'm glad to be here, man. This is one of the best. organizations that I can remember since coming up watching football, knowing understanding their history behind it, and to be a part of an organization like this, it means a lot to me. How was your shoulder, are you still having? Yeah, on the sole plan, but ultimately, I feel good. I mean, they don't want me to say it, but if we had to play, I can play.

So, but ultimately, man, I feel good. I'm in a good spot. And coming here with the best trainers as well and the best docs here and stuff like that, I know I'm in good hands. What's your thoughts on how you fit in? I'll hear you guys. Yeah. I mean, if you look at it across the board, man, they got some dogs already.

You start interior-wise, you know, Joe Mo and obviously, you know, JC and, you know, JD, they're going to do their things. And on the edge guys, man, it's just such a young presence and guys are just relentless. And I feel like that's where I can add to it. It's just a vet presence. You know, you got Nolan already doing his thing already and elevating his game to that point. JLix as well, you know, AK already know about him, training him before. And then Joe coming in as well, all these guys are just hungry. And I think that, you know, adding my little expertise.

and still bringing my relentless energy and my effort to the game and polishing up my certain techniques as well. Because I'm still learning too just because I'm the vet. I feel like I still got a long way to go as far as polishing up my technique. But just adding to what is already being put here is something that I want to bring to the table. I'm not going to change anything up, change anything I do about myself. I'm just going to play ball and keep doing what I've been doing since I've been in the league. Yeah, I was just talking Matt earlier and just talking about like now as I've always been a young one in the room or always hung around vets coming up.

And to be the vet now, it's still kind of like weird to say they call you unk, and I'm like, I'm only 28. But stuff like that, man, I take pride in that because ultimately, you're working towards something that's bigger than you. Ultimately, you know that this league, obviously, you've got your short time here, whatever the time period may be, as many people I can affect, whether some on the football field or off the football field, that's where I find joy at.

And, you know, whenever we're on the same page and we're all, you know, trending towards the same goal, that's when I feel like we're at our best. So anyway, I can help contribute to that. I'm here. What's been your impression of Vic Van GEO so far, and how do you view yourself as a fit in his scheme? Yeah.

Vic, as we all know, it's a mastermind with calling plays and scheming things up. And also knowing when it just let it fly and just play normal straight and rush forward. And I feel like that's a great addition. Or I'll be a great addition to this because, I mean, I don't know how he's going to draw it up. That's the exciting part about it.

But I know when it is all drawn up, it's going to be something serious, and we're going to be a force to be reckoned with. So anyway, I can be disruptive, bring that relentless motor still here and continue to do what I've been doing. I feel right in. John from the 12 and a half sacksia last year in Houston, 12, sacks your first year in Minnesota, and then three last year. What are you making your season? Why do you think the sacks didn't come like?

I mean, I think a couple times, I mean, I had guys in my grass and my arms. I think there's probably lowering the center of my target at times. And most I'm trying to go for the ball and go for the kill shot or something like that. And eyes get big at times. I think a lot of stuff goes into that. But I still feel like I rush well. I still feel like I was still getting back there. I feel like my moves didn't drop off at all.

I always tell myself, listen, the day somebody got to tell me to get to the quarterback, that's why I don't need to hang it up. But outside of that, if my issue is wrapping a guy up, I promise I'm being a good spot. So if anybody want to let a quarterback go free this time, be more than free. Yeah, elevating that. I feel like, as he mentioned before, I'm sorry, having 12 and 12, and then obviously it had the down year,

and that was not to my standard by any means. I'm coming for more. I'm definitely trying to get back to that point of double-ed. to where I can affect the game. And obviously, it's not necessarily all about me getting back to double digits. It's more so how can we affect the quarterback? If I get the quarterback down, cool.

Everybody knows that's the intention. That's the goal and the mindset as soon as that ball is snapped. But if somebody else, let's say Nolan or Jay C, if they didn't get it, I'm more than happy. It's the same. That's the sack to me in my mind. But as long as we affect in the game, I promise you we're going to be in a good spot.

To land this contract and- Oh, what's up? I ain't seen a minute. Long way since you. So to reflect on what's brought you here throughout the years, What do you reflect on whenever you reach this stage of your career and what's ahead of you? Yeah. When you look at the guys, you know, BG, you know, Chris Long, you know, I say guys even like Derek Barnett, you know, sweat.

All these guys have been here before. You just try to just add on to what they've already built here. I mean, you have so many greats that have played here, done great things, not just on the football field, but in the community. Some that's up my alley that I love to, you know, be a part of the community and still love to play football at the same time. I feel like I fit right in with that. I respect the hell out of the guys have come before me. And all I can do is just continue to just carry that light and make sure that what they think,

the things they've done in the past doesn't go in vain. So I love everything about it. I love the historic franchise. I want to be a part of that. I want to be a part of having some hardware in my finger. That's literally the main thing of one of the things I knew watching growing up is that's something I want to be a part of. As far as the trade is concerned,

when did you kind of get an inkling that something like this could happen? A few days like as far as, you know, come in get your fiscal and also the contractor. Yeah, I mean, I think Sting probably peaked up last couple days, probably recently, probably a day or so. Just because then we, speculations will be out there, but I'm the type of person in my agents as well, we don't really deal with speculation.

We're just like, listen, if it gets concrete or close that possibly happened, then we'll actually give a little energy to it. But my whole time, I was a Viking until otherwise, and then now I'm an eagle. So I loved every second. So as I got that call from my agent and said it's going through, I hopped on flight fast as I could. It's out rare in this league for someone's third contract to be the biggest one yet.

What have you done these past two years to kind of get to the level you're at right now? Man, the same things I've been doing. Just continuously grinding, understanding that there's another level to be unlocked. And I feel like that's when as soon as you get complacent in this league, it's an innovative league. As soon as you get complacent, you're getting passed up. And despite obviously whatever the sack totals or whatever stuff may be, I still affected the game in the run game. I still was able to get double digits TFLs and one talks about that.

But I pride myself on stopping that run so I can get to the opportunity to rest of the passer. And that's the main thing I'm trying to get everybody else to do as well and bring to the table as far as the D-Line to be reliantness in all aspects of the game because the sacks and all look good. But, you know, if you're getting the ball ran down, your throat, I mean, you've got to tighten up. So that's the main thing is stopping the run so we can get to that point. And I'm just proud of myself on doing the dirty work until this time of Sean. You mentioned your vet now.

How important is the leadership part of it? How important is that to bring others up? Yeah. Just because I was one of those young guys that was kind of, not necessarily nervous to say something, but when you don't make enough plays or you don't have the name at certain times, you feel like you don't have a voice in this league, and I understand that, listen,

you're just as much of a pro as everybody else is in his room. So having somebody like that myself where I'll ask the uncomfortable questions, I'll ask the question that he probably doesn't want to ask because he feels like it's going to be embarrassing. But I learned real quick, If you're going to have that guy standing next you on the lines on the field and he doesn't know what's going on on you. That's on you. And we can't keep going with the whole mindset of figuring it out or your young guy earn your share on your keep.

Obviously, we know that's a standard. But at times, it's a time and place where we've got to add them and help them out a little bit. And I think that that's the part where you're only as strong as the weakest link. So I carry that on since I've been in the league. And that's why I've always been a guy to easily talk to certain guys or just conveyed it in a way that it gets through and resonates with them easier as opposed to the old. fashion, hey, do this, do this and that. Just break it down to a different way to we're all on the same page. And if we're all on the same page and on the same mindset, yeah, like I just keep saying, we're going to be a force. You were in the Sixers game last night. Yeah. What have been your impressions, both in your own

experience, like lived experience over the last 48 hours of the Silly fans and the city and then also just through talking to a play here or through playing here yourself? Sure. First, I've never played in, you know, Lincoln at all. I've never played in the stadium at all. I came in for preseason game last year but I've never played in the stadium so that's something I really look forward to so to only get a taste of what you know the Sixers game was last night and man they they lost but that was a crazy environment I mean I was just at the Hawks game back home in Georgia just looking at that and comparing it to I was just like man this environment was way way way better no disrespect to them but ultimately man

it's it's different up here and and they take pride of it they take pride in everything they do and that's it's a blue collar city When you work your telloff, everything is going to be, you know, rewarded back to you. They're just passionate, and I love that. Ultimately, they want one thing, and this is why not we want the same thing. So I carry that on my tip of my shoulder. I respect the hell out of this city, respect the hell out of this org, and I just definitely understand what putting his jersey on, putting the settlement on,

actually means to the city, and I'm going to take part of that. What's it been like having a father for a second time and having a son for the time? Well, I have a two-year-old. She's a daughter. She's my daughter, and I've been going through it. So she's, I'm terrible too. It ain't no joke. But, you know, having my son, man, it definitely put in a different perspective. I always say my girls, I was going to have me attached to the hips. She's going to get whatever she wants. But them boys is a little different. My dad, he passed when I was in my junior high school. And my stepdad passed on my first, my second year in the league. So, you know, doing this father thing now is, I would say it's kind of on my own. But, but. But it's such a rewarding feeling to where you know when you see the kids smile, you know when you're doing something right, something that you probably don't have right next to you is your dad in your ear saying, hey, do this and that for your son or do this and that for your daughter. But my mom has been a tremendous help in that aspect.

Obviously, she's going to do with so much. She's not a man. But I think I just take pride in that. Seeing the smiles on their faces, everything I do is for them. And it just, like I said, just give me new outlook on life and give me something more harder to work for. If you think back to three agency two years ago, the Eagles were. looking at edge rushes then. Is this a team that was on your radar?

Were there thoughts this could have happened before? It definitely was on my radar for sure. Like I said, God don't make the mistake. So I don't know what went happening. But we're here now. John, you obviously played Minnesota and Chris Cooper's now the offensive line coach here. So I wonder what it was like working against him

and what we can expect to see from here. Yeah, Coop is a very detailed guy. I think that's one of the things people miss. just the intention of details that he knows about individual rushers. I mean, I would go to him literally asking him, like, how did you block a guy like me in practice? And just asking little things and bouncing ideas off of him. And you can see it through the players and how they talk,

you know, when I was in Minnesota, just talking to the offensive line in there. And they all talk the same way. They talk with the same, you know, the same jargon. They always have a very, very detailed plan of every week they go into something. And I think that that's something he's going to bring to the table. And I love cool. I mean, he's been a good guy.

And usually I hate offensive line coaches. So, but he's a good guy. And I think when you can have that relationship to where we're going to go ahead and we're going to go at it. You may see us cussing each other out during practice and stuff like that. But we all are on the same goal and we all understand that, you know, when it's time to step between these white lines, we have a job to do. And I think he's definitely fit for the job. I can't wait to see what he does with this group. They already got some great guys already to start with it.

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US-only. Voidware prohibited. I'm telling you, the Fanatics app, that's where you're going to get all that Mackay Lemon swag. Welcome back. The P.HLY Eagles draft show. A little eaten. You're going to be here for a long time.

It's going to be a marathon. You got to load up. You know what I mean? No, that's right. Had to go over there. Good. We talked with Denver. They made two picks in the early fourth round.

They took Cage Casey, the tackle from Boise and Jonah Coleman. They're running back from Washington. And then Arizona taking Caden Proctor. Yeah. Or Caleb Proctor. So talking through that with them. It was good. Last few picks.

Let's talk about it. Yeah. Missed a bunch. After you left, we talked about Jalen Farmer and Devin Moore and Elijah Surrott. Yep. 116. Tampa Bay Bucks. Take Kiante Scott.

The corner slash safety from Miami. I gave them them in this my seven round mock. Ooh. In this round? Might have been. Do you know how many of you've gotten right? You have a calendar? I'll look after.

I'll look after and say. It's pretty good. I try. My goal, and it's hard to hit. My goal is to get one pick for every team. That's like, that's like the,

that's the ultimate. goal. Okay. But I unbelievable. Yeah, I mean that's that would be that's, but that's the lofty goal. Chargers. Travis Burke, the big fella from Memphis. That's what that makes sense to them. Absolutely a Harbaugh kind of guy.

Yeah. Michigan takes linebacker from Michigan Jimmy Rolder. Yeah. Really athletic, versatile player. One year starter. He's a Brad Holmes type. That one makes sense. The thing about these draft picks, man. He keeps getting Rolder. Everybody else stays the same age. Unfortunately, Wesley Williams,

which we were worried. It could be an owl you no hit for you. Yep. Goes to the Jacksonville Jaguars, the defensive lineman from Duke. And then the dentist finally goes off the board. Surprisingly, 120 overall to Green Bay, denied Dennis Sutton replaces Kingsley and Ingbari, I guess.

Yeah, I'm disappointed. He's not headed to Philadelphia. He's a fun player. Would have been good for me. I think I had him in the out, you know. You did, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

And then most recent pick, Pittsburgh Steelers. Caden Wetgin. Weigin. Weigin. Weigin. Weigin. Man. The explosive punt returner from Iowa.

So wait, did you look at his profile at all? I did. Man. So, like, where did you fall on that? I mean, he's going to be like, what bucket is in, you mean? Yeah, I guess so. I'll pull it up. The production is like unheard of poor.

It's like he would, he, a hundred and 97 career receiving yards. Crazy. Crazy. Lack of usage. Yes. and also tiny hands, tiny arms, but he is, he is, he is, he is just a returner. Do you think he could be?

I think he could be a slot receiver. Yeah. Why? I know. I know. That's the thing. I mean, you got Mark Rannowski. Right.

Written Covey. He's a working comp. Yeah. He, um, like, watching him work out at the Shrine Bowl. I'm like, I'm watching him go through and run receiver one-on-ones and watching him go through team drills.

And even the flashes of him as a pass catcher, like, at Iowa. Like, why was this guy not used more? It's a, it's a big mystery. grew up right there in Iowa, under-recruited, went Juko, played two years of Juko, then walked on at Iowa because he still didn't have scholarship offers,

didn't play the first year, became a returner the second year, was the all-American returner, you know, won the Big Ten Award for a returner of the year, all that. They didn't put him on scholarship until after Springball the next year. It's like, man, like,

what else did you need to see from the guy? Like, give him a free semester, at least. And then even this past year, just was not a featured part of the offense. You know, still a phenomenal returner, but they get their specialist there in the fourth round. Just watch some one of his shrine bowl route. And yeah, seems like a good player.

I like that. I like that. And then a very old school Raiders pick at 122 now. The Raiders taking Mike Washington Jr. Arkansas who tested very well, ran a blazing 40. Is it? Everything else about the profile is a bit wonky. Yeah.

A little bit of an older player. has had some injury stuff in the past. Height weight speed is phenomenal. Just not a natural runner. That's where I got held up with him. And that's why he goes in the fourth round and not like the second round. This Darren McFadden comp that I've baselessly given him,

well, not baselessly, but kind of whimsically given him. I mean, if he were hit, yeah, if he were to hit, that would be the hope. He's not kind of player running back. Yeah. So Whedon's in just fast because he, Weegean is not just fast. Yeah.

He's just fast. It's just fast. bucket. Oh, I got, I got, I guess. Right. Okay. Um, you want to do a little, uh, go around the NFC East, talk about their drafts so far? Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that. Let's do the, let's do the, Cowboys, since we talked about them earlier. Obviously, we know they go Caleb Downs, round one, adding him to Christian Parker. Yep. Malachi Lawrence. A little bit early for me. A little bit early. Yeah. You understand the point. Then they pair Malichael Lawrence with J. Sean Barham.

Yep. They are going to play him at linebacker and really? Yeah, they're going to play him at linebacker and they're comparing him to Zach Bond in that defense.

Get out of here. That's what they're selling. That's what they're selling. Yeah. Because he was a linebacker for three years, three years and change. They moved him to the edge

this past year. So the thought is that now the thing is, I liked him on the edge. He was extremely, where he hangs his hat on his, his physicality. He is tough and he is violent and he is just like,

a wrecking ball that way. As a linebacker, I was left wanting with like the instincts. And that to me is what, that's one of Zach Bonds like superpowers. Yeah. So that I don't think he's the athlete that Zach Bonn is. So I do think that's a little bit of a stretch personally.

Yeah. To kind of get him to that role. But I get it. I get it. And then Drew Shelton, the Penn State offensive lineman and Devin Moore in the fourth round. So interesting that they're really, I mean, heavy on defense.

Yep. Shelton grew up here in a Downingtown guy. Yeah, we love. mentioned. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I, I like Shelton more than most, I think. Um, this would have been right around where I expected, like, early fourth round. He's really athletic, but he's just not like a strength power guy at all. So I mean, like a potential swing tackle moving forward. Some people even thought maybe even a center, uh, down the line. Um, and then Devin Moore, it's just, it's a really good pick. It's a really good pick. Um, good draft. He could be, he could be a, he could be a starter, uh,

and like a good starter down the line. If he stays healthy, they're going to be comparing him to Coneyon Mitchell. He is like, I see what you're saying. I mean, I'm just like saying like it feels like every time the Cowboys had anybody now, it's like, oh,

this is there. He's Jalen Carter, yeah. Yeah. It's possible that they're, that they, you know, by the end of the season,

it's like, or, you know, we're talking next year, whatever. I mean, it's a fourth round, I want to go nuts. But like,

Devin Moore, to me was a first round talent. Yeah. And I most agreed. He only fell because of durability issues. So, like, Devin Moore on one side, Chavon Ravel,

who was a third round pick that they drafted him. Tornex, you know. Your guys. And then they've got Daron Blan who has got nickel flexibility and maybe he becomes that guy for Christian Parker. That's a nice story to tell

if you're Christian Parker. Yeah. New York Giants. Arvel Reese. Linebacker. Francis Maui Noah. Yep. Colton Hood and Malachi Fields.

And they traded up for fields, I believe. I think that's right. Yeah, I believe they traded up for him. You know, I think that, you know, when I'm looking at that overall, I get I get it they are moving it looks like they're sticking with Rval Reese as a linebacker and not as an edge rusher I would have just taken sunny styles if that's the case personally yeah um so we'll see what that ultimately looks like uh uh i liked Maui Noah it sounds like he's going to be a guard to start with the ability to to

kick out the tackle in a pinch if there's any injuries yep so um you know i think that that's fine uh hood early second round was where i was probably okay with um now i don't think that he's like an overwhelming, like, physical talent. But I think that that's fine. And then Malachi Fields, he's a solid player. Not a game breaker, big-bodied, tough and physical, good blocker, you know, kind of like upscale version of Johnny Wilson, like that archetype of player. Upscale Johnny.

Okay. And then Washington uses their first round pick on Sunny Styles. Yep. And then they had no second round pick. And they got Antonio Williams in the third. That's it. All right. So,

and again, because they don't have a fourth. Antonio Williams is a solid player. Like, you know, if you want to say, like, you know,

downsized version of Mackay Lemon, like that's the archetype of player, you know, can work inside outside, probably better on the inside. Solid hands, solid route runner, not a dynamic athlete,

but can work all three levels. You know, you're just a rock solid football player. So who got better than most? Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. I would say,

like, in terms of like, volume, and like value on some of the talent, I would say Dallas got better. I mean, it is a fair question, then how much is the gap closed

between the Cowboys and Eagles? I mean, we'll see, too, what happens with George Pickens because, you know, they're still, there's like a lot of drama circling around with that.

But yeah, those are, it's a good question. Yeah, I mean, if you're an Eagles fan, you're really hoping, and you're hoping against hope at this point

that that defense is not competent because I think that really was the only limiting factor for that team last year. So Christian Parker, not Nicobede, sorry, a lot of, you know, key additions on defense.

Right. If they're average. Who did they sign? Oh, they traded for, that's the other thing too. The Cowboys traded for De Winters from San Francisco.

Yeah. So that's another addition there that they were able to make. So, you know, they have got some real pieces on defense. Yeah, they can just be average on defense.

That team can be very good. So. I mean, I don't think the Eagles are shaking in their boots, I don't think they should be either. I'm just saying the gap is, it's closing.

Um, okay. Any more recent picks here? Yeah, we got three, three ones we haven't talked about. Okay. All right. So Houston takes Clemson linebacker,

Wade Woodaz. Oh. What a name. Great name. You remember what you're, yeah, he was, it was,

alternative name for Pinocchio. Very good. Yeah, so earlier than I would have taken him. But he is very, he's a very Texans player, like tough, you know,

physical, instinctive kind of guy. Malik Muhammad goes off the board. Oh, goes to Chicago, and that's a great scheme fit. Oh, that is nice. That's a good player for them, so I'll be going on with them.

Not until after the draft. They don't have to later. Skylar Bell, the wide receiver from Utah. Oh, you were hoping that he would go this right around here so that he would have a shot. Yeah, for him. This was a good outcome for him. Okay.

So Skylar Bell goes to Buffalo, and so it doesn't have to go far. They go back to back. Yeah, and then they take Caleb Elarms or the lineback from TCU. I kind of struggled with overall. Like he shows flashes of athleticism, shows flashes of this, flashes of that, but just it could not put it all together.

He had some moments at the Senior Bowl, not crazy. Speaking of which, we did not, you guys probably talked about this, but I missed it. Cade Clubnick going off the board to the Jets. Yes. The first quarterback, number one overall, right? He went, no, did not go number one. Did not go board.

old well yeah that was you know some big publications yeah you know number one um he goes number one 10 uh 10 but the first quarterback from an all-star game gets selected interesting for ahead of all the senior bowl guys okay he was a shrine bowl quarterback um so clubnik goes erin nest my i'm still on the board yeah yeah yeah it's to me it's got to be like the medical stuff would be like uh my gut uh EJ, do you have anybody who you're like, boy, you would love to see the Eagles make this pick? I mean, we still got a long way to go, but. Jalen Kilgwar still being out there.

I mean, we'll see if he makes it all the way to them, but I think he's someone that they, like if they could add someone that can at least compete for that starting safety spot, that would be huge on day three. Outside of that, I mean, Zaki Wheatley, I probably would lean Kilgore over to Kiwitli, but I think that that one is also interesting.

Justin Jolie, still on the board as well. I would not close the door in the Eagles adding another tight end. Neither would I. Especially if it is like if they do. Yeah, which is not Jilly. Yeah, I don't think Joe.

It's not Jolie's not they can't take. You know, I don't think they need to over index on that. Like, I don't think you have to know, but I can't take Jolie N Stowers, I don't think. Yeah. What, Julie is just a better player. He is a better player. But they get things two of the same archetype.

Well, if they had announced Stowers as something other than tight end, maybe we could. Yeah, but Howe was on the call talking about their history of second round tight ends. What did you think of that? He's a tight end for them. No, but what did you think of how he like? Throwing that comp on him.

It surprised me a little bit. I thought it was, it was tough that he like was quizzing him and put him on the spot. Like, can you name any of them? He's like, yeah, the guy you have right now. The guy you got in the, Ernst, Jordan Matthews. Jordan Matthews was his coach.

LJ. Smith. Coach, he was an assistant coach for them. Yes, LJ. Smith. That was my first. L.J. Smith. was my first. I can't believe the Eagles drafted him and not this guy.

Oh, and who did you want? Do you remember? Jason Whitten. Went the third round of the Cowboys. I was in high school. I was in high school. That was my first. Like,

I can't believe they took L.J. Smith over Jason Whitten. That's very funny. That's like when Jeffrey Lorry says, like, he only really wanted, push the scales on two picks, and it was Lane Johnson and Jordan Milit. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's like, but that's actually,

like, Fran is actually telling the truth here. As far as you know. I think they could go running back. Yeah, they could. Seikwan's on the final year of his guaranteed money. Tank Bigsby's on the final year of his rookie deal. They're not going to build the whole thing around Will Shepley. I think we've talked about Nick Singleton being kind of their guy, potentially.

Yeah. I think DeMont Claiborne could make some sense. Obviously, you know I love Emmett. Emmett Johnson. Emmett Johnson so much. You love him so much. Tighten's Joe. Royer still available.

Maybe Josh Quabas is your, is your blocker. Yeah. He's like a, um, he's age boy. Um, on the team, right. Uh, he's like, yeah, he's a, he is, he is very similar to Lattoe. Yeah. He's a similar body type and skill set, like usage, like all that. I'm rooting for Cody Hardy because I would enjoy the constant debate on if he's a

fullback or not. Specialist. Hardy, Hardy is, but he's not going to get drafted. And they would not draft him. Yeah, they're Grapped in the stars They just draft him now Caden Barnett

I kind of like I like Caden Barnett In Wyoming Guard Sure Connor Loo's still available I think that could be If he's there They're just like

This guy has real upside Yep Is there an injury thing with him Is that why he's He's towards ACL in October Just making sure that there was Something I caused him to slide here

I remain of the idea that LT Overton Could be an eagle Yeah Yep Robert Spears Jennings RSJG Yeah

they got they didn't get EMW but they could get RSJ I like EMW better yeah we know just going through to how are you guys mornings today um it's okay yeah slept in a little bit good for you 715 or so okay that's pretty good I'll take it yeah how about you EJ

I was up early I watched Asson Village is what's early for you seven is early for me okay yeah that's that's that's actually quite early for me yeah They were on at 7.30. I woke up. I would have slept in later if they weren't playing. And they just had a lifeless 1-0 loss before.

It was just pathetic. Meg went to the gym. I went up and I was like, Happy birthday Meg! Oh, happy birthday, Meg. Belated yesterday. Thank you. Thank you.

So she went into the, she was like, all right, if you're here for the morning, I'm going to run to the gym. So she ran to the gym and I'm like, all right, I'm going to start getting ready. I jump in the shower. And it was like one of those where I get out of shower. And I just hear Francis yelling my name.

It's like, Daddy, there's someone at the door. There's someone at the door. And I'm like, it's howl and I'm like, oh, that's like the worst. Like, yeah. I look out and there's no, there's no car. And it was just someone like, you know, political signatures. I kind of deal. And I was just like, yeah, like the dog's going.

The dog's going nuts. He's yelling and screaming. I'm like, there's a fire downstairs. There's one of those. But got him to baseball and came right over. That is like the worst. Like, it's one of the more annoying things is like if you're in the shower and then someone put like is at your door.

Right. What are you doing? what can you do? Can't do anything. Exactly. Yeah. Give a little surprise. I'm not doing that.

We had somebody lingering in our backyard tonight. Linger? Yeah, he was lingering. It was a delivery guy. I have a shared driveway. And he was supposed to deliver it to that house on the other side of the driveway. And the guy just walks in my backyard.

And like he's trying to drop it off at like, shoot him? No, I did not shoot him. I will be honest. Julia was the one who went out and was like Julia's the one with the gun She's the hunter She is the braver of the two of us

Yeah wait so you sent her out there I didn't send her anywhere she is on her own person She's walking, we're doing all right She saw him sprung into action Okay I was I was watching I was watching the game I didn't notice him as quickly Yeah honestly that would track for me It seems like he's in the closet

I would totally be in hiding. I mean, I do some of like the things that are not fun to do in our house, but dealing with like animals or dealing. How dare you? That is a human being. No. Dealing with animals or these animals like people who are like solicitors like, you know, we call them. Animals or solicitors. That's not what I meant. You know, that's not what I meant. You know, not what I meant. But, yeah, you know, the lowest of the low. That's a, that's a Julian job.

Julia will handle that stuff for me. How are the dogs with, like, people come to the door and stuff? Our oldest will scare you, at least. He's got a mean bark, and he will use it. Our younger dog, I've never heard him bark. I don't know if he knows how to bark. And if somebody broke into our house,

he would be like, oh, I have a new friend. So we have a we have a good mix I would say Do you have a do you have a pre-picked hiding spot If you hear somebody breaking in If one of the one of the solicitors Yeah How many breaks in Uh no I would I have a

Oh I can't give away my secrets I've got something that I could get To protect myself it is it's a golf club With literally the same breath Like I can't give away my secrets I'm not going to tell you where it is Run on set. I can't tell you where it is, but I've got a golf club.

Let me guess. Is it in the golf bag? See, that's why I can't give it away. Can't give away the secrets. You sleep with it under your pillow? I have a question for E.J. Do you make Julia call restaurant and make a reservation? Oh, you know what?

No, because Julia hates calling. She will text. She will order. Like, she will do stuff online. If it's a call, it's got to be me. You guys all know, I'm a call person. I like calling. I like.

That's true. That's true. I yatt. All day. Okay. Super chat. I believe you have a big one. Oh, yeah?

Oh my goodness. Teesy trays. A hundred. Wow. Thank you. Oh, my goodness. Thank you so much. That's so generous.

I love how we flooded this wide receiver room this off season. Feels like we massively increased our odds of any three combination of guys becoming the guys and still have experienced depth. gives Mannion and Hertz so many options to find the best fit to make this new system work. Good perspective. I think that is totally fair. Yep. And I think if you were Howie Roseman and you are at the point where you know that AJ Brown is going to get traded, how do we go about replacing him in the offense and, you know, avoiding entering the wide receiver

wilderness that we've been in a few times over the past few years, you know, doing it by numbers, by volume makes sense. the question is then how do you how do you make up for using so many resources there and addressing other parts of the roster but I think I think in terms of like filling out the wide receiver room and giving the receiving group a chance to be top 10 again yeah I think this is a way that makes a lot of sense this is something that howie roseman has talked about which is that the Eagles have had a really top heavy receiver room the last few years and they've been fortunate that injuries haven't derailed that but it's

is something that if you look across the league, a lot of times you are dipping into the depth at receiver. And I think that that's been a priority for them. And I think that it does make sense, especially if you are preparing for life after A.J. Brown, you can't rely on it being like Devante Smith and Dante and Wicks and then guys you don't feel confident about behind them. So, yeah, I think filling out the depth makes a lot of sense for them. It's just the one question I have still is like, if this team is what we've expected to be in terms of a run first, a Sequin Barclay-centered offense. Do they have the players to take advantage of the looks that that will afford them?

Yeah. To me, when I think of the offense on the whole, I agree with the point, the idea of diversifying bets, let's throw a bunch of potential solutions at the wider receiver position, knowing you're moving off from A.J. Brown. I think the biggest thing is, if this offensive line can return to form, I think that that is obviously huge for this offensive. as a whole, right?

Now you get the run game back. The run, if the run game's back, that widens the margin for error with the past game. And if the past game is taking out a whole new identity, where play action and, like, you know, melting into the run game and the effectiveness of the run game,

if that is even better than what we've seen in the past, like, there's a lot of hope for what this offense could look like. And to me, like, that is the realized version of this. But there's a, it's a lot of ifs.

So I'm excited to see how this all plans out. TZ, also curious. if we've already covered this, but is there any chance that Eli Stowers just becomes a full-time wide receiver? Is that feasible? Would it make sense?

Has Howie confirmed if he 100% will be a tight end? If you haven't seen the phone call that Howie Roseman made to Eli Stowers, which the Eagles put out, I mean, he's talking about their track record with second round tight ends

and Hertz and Dallas Goddard and he's talking to him as a tight end. There's no doubt that that's their plan for him. I think it's possible if this doesn't work out down the road that they just try to move him to the outside, but they want him to be a tight end. Yeah, I think they view him as the successor for Dallas Goddard in many fashions, and that's a projection.

It's going to take him improving in certain areas. But one thing I did want to mention on Stowers is he clearly, and Fran, you had this in the draft guide, he clearly has a willingness to block. It's not like he's the type of guy who's like, I'm just not interested in it. He said in his press conference, like his video conference with reporters last night, like, you know, he wants to stick his face in there. Like he wants to be, you know, physical. It's just a matter of he hasn't quite.

not in there yet. And then Bill Hilfordy, with a very generous donation as well, says, my guys, bravo for all the fantastic draft coverage and getting busy fans up to speed on all these prospects. Do passionate draft analysts like Fran have dreams of higher positions in an NFL front office one day? Maybe when I was younger, you know, that was something that I discussed with people. But yeah, I think that that ship has probably sailed. But I never rule anything. Never say never.

Yeah, never said never. I think Fran will be a GM one day. Never, I'm not going to be a GM. But thank you. I believe in you. Thanks. I mean, you get to the math, but. I think he could be, but.

I think he has a talent to be. Absolutely. Well, that's a different conversation. Good question, though. Yeah. Okay. Let's go over the last few picks. Yes.

Good ones in here. Interesting ones. San Francisco 49ers. Carver Willis. Yep. Do it. Willis. Carver.

Washington offensive tackle. Yeah, Washington offensive tackle, potential guard, athletic, play strength limitations. He really fits like the Shanahan model of offensive linemen, developmental player, maybe can turn into a starter down the line. Bad news for those of us rooting for this,

the Cincinnati Bengals. Connor, Lou over the cuckoo's nest. He's gone. He is gone. He goes to the Bengals, who their starting center is going into a contract year. So maybe he'll be a starter down the line. Carolina Panthers. The answer?

He won't. Willie. The third goes off the board. The Texas A&M corner. You bought him up last night as a player to watch the Eagles. I liked Willie. Tall and long. He's got,

really looks the part from a like a size standpoint. I didn't love him on tape, but thought he could be like a fourth corner. You know, like if you're kind of built in that Resul Douglas archetype, which is not quite the player that, that Rosulahs is. Miami Dolphins who some people think are having a great draft.

Take Texas Edge Tremor. Exactly. They got another good one. But here's the thing. You don't even like Tremor. I didn't like Tremor. That's me talking mostly about the helmet. Yeah.

As a Longhorns fan, but I mean, dolphins, they're cooking. Cooking. Cooking garbage. You got Chris Bell and they got old cashmere. And then Genesis Smith, the Arizona Safety, divisive prospect. Yeah.

you were not so high on him. Yeah, I mean, the physicality aspect of things was the concern for anyone that's down on Genesis Smith. That was the issue there. The tackling and,

you know, things of that nature. He's athletic. He's tall. He looks the part. The fluidity. Yeah, you can absolutely see it.

A little surprised he ended up with the chargers just because of like, you know, what some of the things they value. That said, in that scheme, which is like very,

you know, the very multiple and like a lot of disguises, things that like, he has a good fit in that way. So, you know, in that sense of it, I really do like it. And you know what? Day three is flying by because you blink and all of a sudden we are closing in on the Eagles pick just 55 selections away from the Eagles being on the clock at 178. What do you think they're doing in the room? Do you think they've got 55 guys on the board stacked right now?

Like they had on that one? Maybe that's what they're doing. Maybe they're like, oh, we got some time to pass. They're bored. They're like, how are they playing jenga? What do they pass on the time? They don't strike me as a jenga type of organization. Chirates?

Sharrates. What's like a thinking man's game, you know? Maybe they're playing quagatology or something. Maybe. Jeremiah Wright off the board to Northern Saints. The offensive lineman from Auburn. Converted defensive tackle. Love that.

I like Jeremiah Wright. Yeah, to me, he and he and Farmer are very similar. I like Farmer a little bit more. I'm surprised that farmer's still there. Oh no, Farmer did go. Yeah, yeah, I just saw that. But yeah, they are very similar players. Baltimore's up now.

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That's ROTHM-A-N-O-R-T-H-O-T-H-O-R-T-H-O-R-E-H-E. Back in the P-H-H-Y Eagles podcast, Bo, Fran, and E-J. Chili Wants on anybody? You guys good? Is that the spicy one? Not too spicy. Okay. I tried carefully over there.

A little hot mustard earlier that was sending me, but we're good here. You like spice. I do. Yeah. And you do not. Oh, I love spice. No. I'm a big spicy guy.

Okay. Very spicy over here. Big spicy. Although, I got hit with like, you ever. I'm having one more. You ever get hit with like the, because we use like the spicy taco seasoning. And I had what my wife would call boy kibble for lunch today, which is just ground beef and sweet potatoes all mixed up in a bowl. Right.

And like the ground beef is season You're a man A spicy yeah man kibble Right yeah much tougher yeah He hits his intruders with a five iron That's his life deal with the adage Back here But yeah I got hit with like the spicy taco season

In the back of my throat earlier I was talking to Lindsay and I was like Oh my God I'm all of a sudden I'm in the trenches over here Well we made it through the other Not a spicy of you're proud of you Thank you Okay Matthew Hibbner

him I don't know former receiver converted to Tide-end midway through college SMU started at I want to say Michigan State started a bigger school

than transferred to SMU but he's a fluid athlete some limitations as a blocker yeah I had him as this is a little bit earlier than I would have expected him to come off the board but yeah he's a movement like Tidenen goes to the ball

Baltimore Ravens, the Isaiah Likely replacement. Same round that Isaiah likely was drafted. Very happy to see everybody in the chat and watching the show. Would you please hit the like button? Would you just do it? Come on. Come on. I'll give you a one time.

Make it happen. Kevin Rowley with Super Chat, Fran. How many turkeys on Cam Williams becoming a low, at least a low end starting tackle? And then answer the same question. on Markel Bell, please. Feel better about Markel Bell than Williams. So if I would do turkeys.

Yeah. Yeah. All right, so how should I do the turkeys on which of the two are turkeys on each and definitely separate questions? Right. How many turkeys on Cam? Got it. Okay.

And how many questions on how many turkeys on Markel Bell becoming one? Markel Bell, at least a low end starter. Okay. So at least a low end starter. 52? Wow. On Cam? No, on Markle Bell.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm Marka Bell. If it was that, if it was, if it was high, if it was that for Cam, then you don't, you wouldn't draft Markle-Ill. I think that's, I think that's fair. Yeah. At least a low-end starter. I think that's for a third round pick.

Yeah. Top of the third round, that he better be, yeah. Yeah. With Williams, like, would you consider Fred Johnson hitting that plateau, even though he's not technically a starter? Uh, he'd like, he's probably be right on the border, I think. Like, he might be the 30 or, I guess, the 65th best tackling. in the NFL, Fred Johnson?

I think he's better than that. But I've thought that the past two years and he's had like no free agent. Yeah, but I think that's what you're saying, Franus. You might be the first, the best backup. Yeah, but to me,

if you were the 65th best tackle when you hit free agency, you're like you're being sought after. Okay, that's fair. I think you're being sought after. And then Cam Williams, what are you doing? I think we were all pleasantly surprised

at Cam Williams week 18 game. Yeah, I still would put it more in the like in the tops, tops in the 30s. Yeah, I think percent, very. Maybe even less than that. It's realistic. Yeah.

I liked Cam Williams when I watched him, you know, coming in. Yeah, this is the Longhorns bias. Yeah. Even in the Week 18 game, I know that they were impressed as well, but I think it's probably a good, uh, contextualizer there.

I do have, D-Fliers, never had a wonton or a dumpling. Oh, really? Oh, man. I had a great dumpling the other night. Yeah? Yeah, just one? Well, it was multiple dumplings, but it was a, they were, it had a little crunch to.

It was like pan fried. Oh, yeah, I like it. Phenomenal. It was so good. So good. I'm going to sound so unculture here. What are the, are they called soup dumplings? The ones you like pick up in their film of soup.

Those are so good. I love a soup dumpling. There's a place. It's like a fun, like, kitsy chain. I'm not going to give any free advertising, but. Yeah. No, it's, they do soup dumplings there. It's like their thing.

I've been there a couple of times and there's so much. It's like fun. They're awesome. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I love a soup dumpling. Yeah, absolutely. Love a wonton soup.

Maybe my favorite soup? Hmm. Favorite soup. Do you count chili as a soup? I think for this conversation, I would not. Yeah. And I think for this conversation, I would also not count fah or ramen. I was going to say fah is probably my favorite.

Yeah, I like both better. But for a true soup, obviously, fah is a soup. Ramen is a soup, but I think that's their own separate categories. I like a chicken tortilla soup. Should we do a soup draft really quick? Sure. Three rounds? Well, it's got to be four if we're doing.

Oh, true. Yeah, we got a snake and room soup. Lindsay, you want to get it on this draft? All right. Four round, impromptu, soup draft. Lindsay, you get to pick what pick you have. One.

One. All right, so we'll just go around this way. Then we'll go, Lindsay, me, Fran, E.J. What if I run out of soups? Am I allowed to look them up? What? It might run out of soups.

Now, are we going, are we exempting fa and ramen? Yeah, I think so, yes. Okay. All right, Lindsay. Give us some soup in the chat so I can. The first overall pick of the fourth round impromptu soup draft, Lindsay selects French onion soup. French onion soup.

Wasn't on my board. Not on my board, so I'm glad. I like a French. I thought that would be like a popular. So that's not my number one, but I was trying to get good value. Do you think you're going to be able to get your number one at the rate? Wow. Most people don't like mine.

Lindsay, I'm going to write this down. Okay. Can I have the second or the third pick? No, you've got the fourth pick. I have the fourth pick. We are always giving you. No, I don't want those. You can take the specialist soup.

I'm not the strategist here. So that's, you're hurting. Lindsay's going French onion. You already know my board. So I can't, I can't not take it at number two overall. I'm taking wanton soup. Okay. I am going to go

like a loaded potato soup Okay I like a potato potato I like a potato soup See I pegged you for a load I wanted to get it I like it I didn't know a four or five that I should read about it All right, I go ahead, what do you got? All right clam chowder

Okay Manhattan Manhattan or New England You only get one I prefer New England Okay you're taking that Yeah I'm going to drink chowder for What is the uh Can't believe it made it to me at four

What is the one that's the mix of the two? Is it like Rhode Island? Yeah. That's more of a clear. Yeah, there's one that's like the mix of the two and I had that.

That's excellent. Oh, I enjoyed the, I enjoyed the, I like a heavy clam chowder. Yeah. All right. Go ahead.

Here's five. Lobster Bisk. Yeah, no, that's a good one. That's a good one. That's a good. We're five right there.

Now, big variance in lobster Bisk, if you're just getting bisk and you know, you don't get actual real. Yeah. It's tough. What are we doing?

Yeah. You know? But I also have a, Give me a few good chunks in there. Yeah. Then we're, we're having a good time. I've got a lobster bisque take also.

Okay. I don't need you to pour it at the table. I don't, it doesn't do much for me. Like when they have fancy thing. I think that's fair. Just bring it out. Like,

we don't need the pageantry for the soup. That's like when they bring the salad out in one of those like clear things and they like, you know, pour it out. I'm like, what's the, you could have just done this back there. I don't mind.

I don't, if it like, like, like the Caesar, if it's like part, It's like an old school place and it's part of their charm. I can get into it. No,

you're adding this like... It's usually like places that are trying to be like... Yeah. Trendy. Yeah. Now, it is true. We once did a soup draft on Burns with Friends. So I'm curious to see how this board compares to that board.

But we'll see. I mean, let's go, uh, I'm gonna go old reliable. Chicken noodle? Chicken noodle. Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna go chicken noodle. Can't go wrong. Uh, the idea that like you're sick.

Yeah, chicken noodle soup and some dried toast is going to solve things. Some ginger ale. What ginger ale are you guys drinking when you're sick? I am anti-Ginderella. I don't like to drink. Really? Yeah, I don't. You're sick?

No. What about on the plane? I always get ginger ale on the plane. Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, it's like the sponsor drink of the plane. Yep, my group. Along with those cookies.

I don't have a brand allegiance. Allegiance here. I would probably go Canada dry or. Yeah, this is, I think this might be a two Americas thing. Okay. Canada dry is the only ginger ale. I like Canada. That would be the one that I would choose.

But one time my wife brought Seagrams home when I was sick. I was like, love my wife. Appreciate it. What is this? I feel like that's like opposite. That's like opposite of what you want when you're sick because it's like I associate that with alcohol. Like seagrams, right? So then I feel like that would be like not great when you're sick.

All right. Wait, what did Lindsay? What did you pick? He has to go. It's my turn. I was going to miss it actually I'm trying to think if there's one that Lindsay's going to take with a sniper. I know. I have a feeling that

that Lindsay might do the same one that Marissa did back in the day and that's still in my mind. Because I remember, I do not like this soup and she drafted it. Still. Impressive. No, I'm not going to do that. Give me... Just pick one. That's ridiculous.

Well, we're still like 45. I hate when I'm listening to a podcast and it gets quiet and I think my phone turned off. So three picks that have happened while Bo's thinking about it. Give me some time. Oklahoma linebacker, Kendall Daniels, former safety. Just moved to linebacker this year. He, it's like sunny styles last year,

but day three version, he's really long and athletic. He's an interesting player. He goes to the Atlanta Falcons, Ian Cunningham, bringing in Kendall Daniels. The Indianapolis Colts addressed their linebacker issue. selecting Oregon linebacker Bryce Becher, who was drafted by the Houston Astros in like the fifth round or sixth round.

It was solid film. You know, I saw more like high-end backup as opposed to starter, but if he became a starter, like, would not shock me. He bet you what they did. Yeah. I'll tell you, the Astro, Houston Astros, not a fan of Bryce Becher

because they drafted him, knowing football was a possibility, but he was like all in on baseball. And he walked on to the football team and asked them, He was like, hey, like, after he got drafted, he was like, I really want to play my final year at football. Like, it was okay if I see it through. And they were like, sure.

And then he gave them the deuceus and said, like, yeah, I'm going to stick here with football. And then last one. Bryce Lance, the wide receiver from North Dakota State. So the New Orleans Saints, there's a path to early playing time. Dynasty football people, fancy football. Bryce Lance, that might be an interesting one to file away. Okay. A fun one.

What's your suit? I'm going to go because this wouldn't be my second favorite suit, but I think I could get it. and maybe snipe Lindsey here. Okay. I'm going butternut squash. Oh, that's good stuff. We're going to fall.

Get out of here with that. I'm good with the butternut squash soup. Is it like the color that's throwing you there? Usually the consistency too. Yeah. There is one, there is one soup that I'm like out on all the way out on because of how it looks. I don't say it in case.

I don't say it because I'm. Okay. Over to you, Lindsay. You get two. Two. Um. My pick is minestrone. Okay.

Which I just thought like that's a basic. Yeah. You would pick it. And then I'm between two. Okay. That are both very specific. So I don't even know if you'll like pick them. I will go miso soup.

Uh, like miso soup. I mean, just. The place we ordered from didn't have it. Yep. So I was going to get it today. I have a question about minestrone, minestrone? Strone with an end on the end. Does that get called other things?

Is that referred to as a different name? Because it looks like a soup that's on my board. It's only as minestrone. Nothing else. Well, I guess we'll find out what you say. That's on your board. Also, do you guys say minstronie? My in-law is like, tell me I'm wrong that I say minestrone.

Yeah, minestrone. Minestrone, yeah. I've never said that word. Lindsay, we have to get to another break before the hour, don't we? Oh. Yeah, what time is it? 55. Yeah.

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Who's up in the draft, is it? I am. I was trying to shoot you some bail. The order has been French onion, Wontan, loaded potato, New England clam chratter, lobster bisco,

you double dipped on seafood. Chicken noodle, butternut squash, minestrone, miso, and off the board now, I'm going Tom Yum. A little Thai soup,

a little spice. It's good. Feeling good. Yep. I felt like I've diversified my roster pretty well. Yeah. Got some spice,

got some fall coziness, and I got the everyday winner of the wonton soup. Mm. now I will say wanton soup there's variability there you get a mediocre you get a pretty mediocre one ton soup but a good one

I'll tell you long all right go over you friend I'm trying to think of what I know I'm trying to think of what EJ is thinking here I've already taken like one like good like comfort soup with the chicken noodle

I think it's like I love like the cream of chicken and chicken wild rice Like, you know, to me, like, I've already done, I've already done those. I'm going to go, though. Pasta, usual. Oh, you jerk. He hasn't like a pasta. Why did you build it up just to take it for me?

You know, you know, you know, chat. Is that what you thought? You're telling me that I'm relying on the chat. I can't blame. No, the chat blew up my spot. That was my next pick. Okay, Andy Widal. Like, I got, I had pasta withdrawal on the phone.

I was already on the phone. The pasta of the wife's friend W. He's calling me. That's a more. Oh, man. My dad is a funny story. When I was young, my dad would take us to Olive Garden. Just like good old suburban life.

We'd go to Olive Garden. And he would do like the, they give you all you can eat on the soup or the salad. So he would have me order the salad so that he could do all you can eat for that. Okay. And he would eat like four bowls of that stuff at Albert. Nice. It's making a play. That's what that is.

Yeah. I like pasta visual. Really devastated that, you know, pasta visual. No, tell the insiders that Ehano was basically the guy you wanted anyway. You know what? You know what? So all along, tomato soup was higher on my board anyway. I hear what tomato soup.

I love a tomato soup with like a little bit of heavy cream and parmesan mix into it. I'm not a big grilled cheese guy myself. but like anti-girl cheese it's a lactose thing it's not a it's not it tastes great but yeah dipping some girl cheese in a tomato soup solid

very solid I'll also go chicken tortilla soup my mother-in-law makes a great chicken tortilla soup shout out Carla a little spice in there little you dip some tortillas in there or some tortilla chips very very strong good soup

I feel really really strongly about how I played the board here because this this soup that I'm ending my draft with. I was very, I was close to taking it with my first pick. Yeah.

And I was like, you know, I think I might be on an island here. No ball here. This is all evaluation versus valuation. And I thought I can wait and I can get broccoli cheddar later

and I'm going to take broccoli cheddar. We could have gone a hundred rounds. Yeah. And I still wasn't touching bribery. Really? Oh, I love it. I love a good broccoli cheddar.

Like, that's one of my favorites to make in the fall. I love a good broccoli. That is, that is, you just pulled an Eli Stowers if I'm a friend, Duffy.

Man. Broccoli cheddar barely even started five games this year. Yars per outrun with broccoli cheddar. Broccoli cheddar's 26-year-old prospect. A good block of cheese in that soup. Nate Borkature. The soup draft. I'll get a little, a little traditional.

I got some seafood in the Tom Young, potentially, but give me the she crab soup, a little, yeah. A little cream, a little, but I want real crab in there. I don't want a lobster bisque situation, but I'll take a sheep crab. My mom makes a good she crab.

We do the seven fish dinner around the holidays on Christmas Eve, and she crab is one of the go-toes. It's a good one. Got our cousin Grace. All right, Lindsay. She-crabbs, too. Miss soup irrelevant. Who's it going to be?

The final pick. Final pick. The final pick of the 2026 soup draft. Yeah. Mots of all soup. Moths of all soup. Good pick. Good pick. Oh, man. Where's Italian wedding going to sign? Priority free agent. I'm on the fall. I already got the guarantees.

We loved you in the 30. We love you in the 30. Check the guarantees. That's what matter. All right. Let's run these rosters down. And then maybe we'll do a poll and also comment on the video to let us know who you think wins here. Lindsay's roster. French onion soup. Miso soup.

Ministroni. And matzabal soup. I feel like you got a classic roster. Yeah. I don't know that there's enough diversity. How about Sam? There's a lot of sameness there. Yeah, I'm a very plain, like, person.

I just, how dare you. No, like food. I like, like, the same things. Like, my husband can guess when I'm ordering at every restaurant. I also don't eat meat, so I'm not going to pick chicken noodle. Got it. I'm not trying to, you know. Okay.

Just do it for the audience is my true. Sure. Okay. You stay true to your board. Bo. I mean, you want to talk about, I have filled out a roster with game changes at every spot.

Wanton soup, butternut squash, Tom Young and She Crabb soup. Tom Young was, actually the Shecrabb in the fourth round, I think it's a good. Good value. Good values, very good values.

Fran, loaded potato, chicken noodle, pasta fuzzool, and broccoli cheddar. Those are very comforting soups. This is like rainy, rainy day in October. None of these suits.

Every single one of those is available at Applebee's. Yeah, I'm about saying you have the Applebee's draft. You're not eating a single one of those soups and go and playing basketball with your friends or anything. You are done for the day. What's super a good thing? So you eat that soup. I'm saying, though, is that how you built your board? No.

Oh, I love a good lobster viz before I go run to run a marathon. But specifically with friends, those are some heavy soups, man. Yeah. Those are day. Enders right there. And no offense to Applebee's or any other chain restaurant. Obviously, we want everybody to be an advertiser. But the gall to say like, oh, yeah, that's what I order.

I make these soups at home. If I'm making any of these soups, I'm making these at home. I have a buddy whenever I make barbecue. Like, I work so hard 20 plus hours. Yeah. Like, oh, yeah, I got that stuff at Chili's too. It's like a classic Chili's rack of ribs right there that you just made. And then EJ, New England clam chatter, lobster bisque,

mm, double C, tomato soup. I feel like that was a big reach there. And the chicken tortilla. Chicken tortilla, that might be a specialist. That was a good one. Yeah, it's a good suit. I think your roster is not that bad. No, it's a good.

I think it's the best roster. One of your better drafts. It's wrong, yeah, but. You know, maybe, no, I'm not even going to say it. I don't want to jinx it. Never mind. Maybe you're getting better. At the games, maybe.

Okay. But got to stay humble. Now, Liz, cousin, Grace in the chat says that she voted for Fran, but she clicked it accidentally. She meant to vote for me. So let's make sure we keep that in mind. You're standing in the pole is pretty

Yeah, give me an extra 10% You just a slight pole ahead just now. You beat me in the who's best dressed. So I need some pole redemption. Yeah. I thought about Pazole. I feel like Pazole is like, there's too many different kinds.

I think you'd have to be more specific. I am all the way out on split P. I can't look at a split P. I can't eat that. I think if someone drafts split P they'd have to leave. Yeah, I can't eat a split P. Someone brought that up in the chat.

I am all the way out on split date. I'm sorry. I also don't like Italian wedding. Oh, I love it. Italian wedding is good, but it's just a normal. Yeah.

I don't want to offend anybody. It just, it doesn't, you don't like Italians? No. The way that it looks to me, I have a hard time getting past for some reason. Italian wedding?

It's just like chicken noodle looks. There's just some more noodle. I think it's like the green flex in it that bothered me. I can't explain it. It's not rational. This is just, just like a Campbell's. It's because they're shaped like rings.

That might be it. It's the pasta shaped like rings. It could, honestly. Yes, it could be that. Yeah. Although you can get the ones that are like, yeah, there's different. Although, like, there are unappetizing soups I like.

Like a white chicken chili, that doesn't look good, but it tastes good. Yeah, that's a good one. I like a white chicken chili. Yeah. Julian looks a great white chicken chili. Shout out, Julia. A couple more picks off the board.

Did we talk about LT Overton or was that during the break? L.T. Overton, the Alabama. tweener going to the Dallas Cowboys. They've got their Milton Williams. The edge group overall is getting picked over bad. There's a very clear tear break now that he's gone

that there's not much left there with that group. Your boy, Kyle Lewis. Kyle Lewis, the Dolphins. The Dolphins. I've had a lot of picks in this draft. Niners take Ephesians Prysock. He fits them. And then the Bengals taking Georgia wide receiver Colby Young to close out

fourth round. Colby Young, big-bodied receiver, similar to like a, kind of like a Rishi Rice skill set. Like, I want to get the ball in his hands and let him roll after the catch. Been like about a year and change away from the team due to like an off-field allegation that got cleared. So it was a little bit rough that, but he began. He's career in Miami had some early success there before transferring to Georgia.

Prysock is a huge corner. He's built in that, that mold of what we've seen a lot of, what we've seen a lot of the, uh, the, uh, Pete Carroll tree teams utilize. And so that he definitely fits,

uh, from that scheme standpoint. Kyle Lewis, uh, Jersey kid went to pit to your starter, undersized, rangey, like safety linebacker hybrid.

Uh, I actually remember being in the, uh, in the stands of the senior bowl watching. He was phenomenal down there in Mobile at senior bowl. And I was sitting with Dane, uh, Dane,

uh, Dane Brewer from the athletic and we're sitting and we're talking. He's like, when do you think he goes? Like, do you think he goes, like, do you think he goes,

into day two or is he more early day three i said you know if davion taylor went in the in the third round like i kind of think kyle louis he's a better football player with a similar skill set and question and he ended up falling i was a little surprised that he fell this far i thought i thought so uh yeah some good players there fifth round has started we got us u s safety camari rams he goes to the texans he's a he's a he's a he's a guy that i would have thought uh like he might be in the in the mix for the for the eagles a green dot guy for the last two years at USC as a sophomore and as a junior, started as a freshman at UCLA. A little bit limited athletically, but like toughness and instincts and ball skills and

physical health. I liked Kamari Ramsey. Okay. I just realized something. The Cowboys, the two picks that we liked for them in the fourth round were the picks that the Eagles traded them. Oh. So Devon Moore and L.T. Oberton.

Interesting. Those are the two picks. Oh, okay. So would you rather have had Maxi Hanachor? Maxi Honor plus Devin Moore and Delton and Elty Overton

or Mikhail Lemon I mean Deny Dennis Sutton was on the board at 114 and I mean Jalen Kilgore is still available so you have some if you

if you understand that they felt like they needed to get a wide receiver yeah maybe they didn't maybe that's not maybe that's not what it was

maybe instead of taking so maybe I think in that case they're probably still taking stowers and then maybe Markle Bell is

right You don't think Markle. Yeah. Chris Bell. Maybe Chris Bell. Is there an inside guy? Or what if, yeah, is there a receiver that went around 114 that you could make the case? I mean, Elijah Surrott went the next pick.

No receivers went right after Stowers the end of the second. I'm talking before. Yeah, I'm just, I'm looking to see. But if you felt like you needed to address it, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Antonio Williams won a few picks after Markell Bell. Julie Wants on anybody? Well, yeah, that would be, because.

I said earlier that Antonio Williams is kind of like the lowercase version of Mackay Lemon so if you So it's Markell Bell swapped out for

Antonio Williams and you know potentially theoretically Mackay Lemon swapped out for E. Honesthor and then you add in Devin Moore and LT. Overton

potentially. I mean I like that class more but it speaks to how I felt about the first two picks and the like the variance you get there. Yeah.

I don't know. Yeah, I could go either way. Those two fourth round picks, though. We like both of them. I think that that's going to be something that's fun to keep in mind over the next couple of years. Okay. Closing in on 100 votes on the poll. And I've just got 100.

In last place, oh, 17%. This is stupid. Third place, Lindsay. Lindsay's in third place, 20%. I'm in second place, 27. You uncultured food. Oh, these people have great taste. They understand the soup hierarchy that's a play here.

These people have been to an apple. I'm a man of the people. Get out of your house, people. See the world. Pathetic. I chose not because you went lobster bisque and what was your first one? Clam chowder. Clamp chowder.

I would have, I lean more towards the bisque end of it, but that is like summer, go to the beach, getting like a lobster ass or like so great. Oh, crap hits. So let's go to. How was I playing to the crowd? The goal of this draft is not to please the peons. It's to touch the palate.

No, these people have great palate. They've got great palettes. When the Eagles are having joint practices against the Patriots, you will see a lot of clam chowder, maybe some lobster bisque. I like a lobster bisque. I don't know if it's like the, you have to be in a good restaurant to trust the lobster bis. All right. time to take a break

you just going to go celebrate this non-victory by there's a long way to go people get the people in the in the chat to come in to keep pulling the poll is literally completed Lindsay

once he closed it you closed it it's over now I won accept it all right stay tuned maybe we can do another draft on the other side Ashley's biggest

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This Saturday during Ashley's 12 hour sale. Welcome back to the PHA Y Eagles podcast. I'm just testing, texting some trusted sources to see what they think about this soup draft. Oh my God. You know, just want to get opinions that I care about, you know, like you people. See what they think. Bo showing that he does no faith in elections. I was going to say, stop the steal.

Yeah. This is not a democracy. see i'm glad you're handling this well i'm glad you're taking this uh reggie virgil and fernando carmona by the cardinals and titans respectively carmona guard only big and physical but real athletic limitations i this is earlier than i would have expected him to go off the board um i kind of like a reggie virgil uh start his career at miami ohio did not play really for two years and then his third year had had some good success there Red Hawks and then transferred down to Texas Tech part of that big transfer portal class this past

year and was solid on the outside I liked him more than Caleb Douglas went last night good release package good flashes a route runner he's long he's springy he's got a little bit of juice he can play some special teams solid blocker little max hollans back hollinsish like that's kind of how I would view reggie virgil he goes to the cardinals so I'll be talking about him with the uh, PH and X guys here in a little bit. Okay. There's a bad draft for the Cardinals.

I like it. Go through your guys. Yeah. Yeah. Let's do it. Who wants to go first? E.J. My man.

Oh, you're going to put the new. You know what EJ. Let's do. This is your Rita's ice cold moment. Because you're going to be ice cold. You're going to be ice cold going through your guys in this draft, one in each position.

The Rita's ice cold moment. E.J.'s guys. Who you got? All right. We're going to start at quarterback and I'm going to borrow someone that's probably on Fran Duffy's list, Garrett Nussmeyer from LSU.

This is an evolution for me. I am growing as a person, as an evaluator of draft prospects. Usually I want a quarterback that looks like a superhero, right? With Garrett Nussmeyer. Yeah, Tailing Green would have been my guest. Yeah, Garrett Nussmeier,

the thing that I love about him is the arm talent. It's the different arm angles. It's the ability to throw on all three levels. I'm starting to value that more. with quarterbacks because I feel like that is a necessary thing to play in the modern game and to fit a lot of these different systems. So for that reason, really enjoyed watching the tape of him. I know that there are injury concerns, but I think that there is still a pathway for him

to be plus starter in the NFL because of his arm talent and his accuracy. And for that reason, he is my guy at quarterback. Gary Nuss. At running back, I'm going back to my old ways. Mike Washington from Arkansas. I wrote in my notes when I watched him, freak of all freaks. He is the freaky of the freaky six foot 223 pounds long arms a 10.0 r a s score ran a 43340 he did remind me of darren mcfadden in ways that i had to try and explain away in my mind but uh i couldn't do it i like him a lot i think he's going to be a fun player in the nflbara wide receiver sticking with the the superhero bit here ted hurst from georgia state Georgia state jose state 6 4206 pounds 4 42440 had great a great broad jump and although his

tape did look like it was filmed on an iPod shuffle that I used in my freshman year of high school, you could see that this is another guy who, again, it's a big jump in competition, but you're betting on the physical traits and the upside that that gives him. So I really like Ted Hurst out of that wide receiver class. Tight end? Cody Hardy. Really? I love the dirty work guys. When I watched him, I wrote hard eyes. This is where I fall in love with this tight end class. It was at Cody Hardy all the way at the bottom because he is, as Fran put it, the best pure blocking tight end in the class. If you told me that he ended up an eagle,

I'd be very excited to watch him in training camp, crack some skulls. I've been thinking about Johnny Munt, and you know those beams of like, it's like the pipe cleaner holding up the lock? And it's like, this is the only thing. Like, that's how it feels like Johnny Munt is the pipe cleaner on the tight end blocking in the room right now.

So Cody Hardy would help with that. This will not hold. Sean Syed texted me this morning. now I hope he knows we were on the record always on the record well not actually but with this I think it's fine he said that Johnny Munt's going to come into the tight end room they want to train in camp and be like the Joker from the dark night and be like we're going to have tryouts for blocking I like that

offensive tackle Maxi Hanachore from Arizona State senior ball stand out I understand that there's maybe a higher variance with him as a prospect but I thought his ceiling was as high as most of these other guys in the tackle class a former basketball player that again and Fran pointed out has that nasty edge, has that nasty side to him still. I see a player that could turn into a very, you know, an impact player at offensive tackle there. So I liked him a lot.

Interior offensive line, Jalen Farmer from Kentucky. I know we all love him. I just love how dramatic it is when he gets his hands on somebody. You know, that that play strength, that power really jumped out on tape. And for that reason, I just couldn't. And he was quick off the ball enough. He had enough movement skills where I felt like he was going to be, again, a plus on the interior offensive line.

Defensive tackle, I'm breaking from Fran. Tyler on Yetim, from Texas A&M. 22 years old, 6-3, 292 pounds with long arms. Got some of that natural leverage they talk about. He's explosive off the ball, good movement skills. I understand he's probably more of a past rush specialist, but I enjoyed his tape and I thought he was a good interior rusher.

Edge, you know where I'm going here. Deniz. The dentist. Sutton. I was surprised he fell in the draft. six five two hundred and sixty eight pounds had a he blew the doors off the combine as fran put it um and i liked when i watched him you saw a high floor player because of the play personality you also saw with the physical traits with the combine testing that he has some i guess more room

to grow as a player trying to translate those physical traits into uh his play linebacker i like taro perkins from lSU i didn't i didn't watch as many of the linebackers because i didn't expect them to be on the eagle's radar but i thought he was a a fun player and a player who was productive in college, positionless player, somebody that's going to have to find a home in the NFL, but I enjoyed him. Cornerback, Devin Moore, guy looks like a superhero. The second I saw the Caleb Farley comparison, I knew I was in trouble. That's my type of player.

I understand there's injury risk, but again, you're drafting a guy that has a chance to be a high-level starter if he stays healthy. And then at safety, a much-debated player out at this table, trade in Stoaks. I like the versatility. I like the pathway toward becoming maybe a Cooper to Gene type, somebody who can wear a lot of different hats on defense. And I understand that it's a projection for him at safety, but I'm betting on the high upside with a player like him.

Well done. My first, my guys. Rita's ice cold moment, E.J.'s guys. I thought I did a good job there. Thank you. I mean, it's been fun going through all these prospects. It's been, it feels like we finally made it where I can just wax poetic about my favorite player.

So appreciate that. Fran, we have a trade in the NFL. Oh, what we got? The New Orleans Saints have acquired. Receiver?

No. A former top five pick. J.C. Latham. Tyree Wilson. Mm. Mm. Oh, yeah.

So here's a good example. I think it was like my like 13th defensive end or something that year. Yeah. Like all the time. It happens all the time. What do you get traded for?

We don't know yet. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I feel like, I feel like I was screaming from the rooftops on that one. This guy is not worth it.

It wasn't a good football player. Like tested, outrageous. Outrageous, like athlete, like physical tester, just not a good football player. Played four years, not, I mean, what are we doing? Yep. A few more picks here. Sam Hecht, Kansas State Center,

goes to the Carolina Panthers. Nick Barrett? South Carolina defensive tackle goes to the Chargers. And the Cleveland Browns select the center as well. Parker Brailsford from Alabama. Parker Brailsford, you know, Cam Juergens-esque, like, he's a really, really, really small center from Alabama, has gotten dinged up here and there. But I kind of liked him on tape. He's just, he's going to have the size limitations, but he is athletic.

Nick Barrett from South Carolina, he goes to the Chargers, kind of a run stuffing, nose tackle type. Didn't start until this year, his fifth year in college. So late breakout missed most of last year due to injury on a loaded South Carolina defensive line, but played this year as a starter and he's just kind of like a run plugger workman like lineman. Sam Hecht grew on me the more I watched when I first watched him, I thought kind of like a fringe like back up, swing back up as a guard center, seeing him up close to the senior bowl. Like I started to like him a little bit more, but still couldn't quite get there as like an automatic starter.

This would be kind of like where I imagine where I valued him coming in was like after a lot of these other centers had gone off the board and he's square in the middle of round five. Hmm You think the Eagles are like watching Mackay Lemon highlights To kind of soften Not being on the board They're having their own little lemon party

Watching McKay Lemon What they're doing now is Now is when they So in the fourth round They were watching Lemon Yeah fifth round Now they're watching Duntaib and Wicks They're doing this is like

They gotta put it on the board Like these are the picks that we've made Yeah I don't know if I mentioned So the way you knew That the Eagles were going to have A small class Was How he's saying you know, Grinard and Wix,

you have to count them in this class. You have to. I mean, we use the picks on those guys, so you have to consider them as part of the class. That's always what they start to say. That means they're going to have a 5-year-old. A new pick here. Going to the NFC East,

we have Joshua Josephs from Tennessee, the pass rusher, going to Washington. Not to be confused with Tommy Thomas, who was in this clip drop class. Joseph Joshua's. When I'm looking at Joshua Joseph's, He is a like undersized pure speed rusher.

Development needed was a platoon player at Tennessee. I struggled to get there all the way on him. He needs a lot of work. So not surprised that he went this late. I expect him even going a little bit later. But yeah, I think when you get to this point, it makes some sense. I did not peg him as a as a Washington type.

So a little surprising he ended up there. Just for the accounting of it all, he goes on the clock at 178. 30 away. To lack last pick of this fifth round we're at 148 right now

so 30 picks away you guys good if I jump off for uh pH and X for quick pop off queen knock it off good to see you great to see you

check out those pants how about them I wanted to see if you were wearing pants oh maybe maybe we when am I not looking pants butt.

What's that? Yeah, tell Ben to clip me looking. Oh, that's good. I didn't go pants today. There's no way I was wearing pants. We're going to be here all day. You can wear pants all day long? I'm a comfort guy.

Okay. So what are you wearing? I'm wearing shorts and it's cold outside. Yeah. I was suffering getting over here. But of your own choice. But now I'm comfortable. I was all about comfort today.

Okay. Yeah. You think anybody took a nap at the facility in the last hour? Sure. Probably Vic? No, Vic's probably mad. He's probably like... No, Vic isn't mad about anything these days.

Vic is happy to be lucky. I think Vic is mad about things. I think Vic's fine. Vic's personality is... Vic's playing golf all day long. He's fine. I think Vic probably gets mad about stuff. I'm sure he does.

You said Vic's... probably doing a lot of golfing. Yeah. Have you been doing any golfing? Not once this year yet. Yeah, me neither. We both need to work on that. I mean...

Don't tell me how to live my life. No, I think... I want you to go enjoy your life. I agree. And I know you enjoy golf. Most of the time? So there you'd like to get out there. It's usually the ones the drafts is over.

Then we can maybe get out there. I need the audience to help me because I went the wrong path. I went down the wrong path in golf. Yeah, I got caught up in the wrong. I became like a range rat. Like a, I just was constantly trying to perfect my swing. I was playing like golf swing and now playing golf.

You know, and what you then, then... Track man golfer. Yeah, what you're doing at that point is you're just trying to hit a seven iron as far as you possibly can. Yeah. That's not golf. There is it. And I've learned that the hard way, especially like if you're doing it on mats all the time,

which is like, I'm not paying to, you know, go to a driving range, it's all grass. But then you get like the incorrect feedback. You know, like you think it's a good shot, but you would have chunked it. So I need someone to tell me how to get my life back together in golf. Qualified people only, though, I would say. Go play. And don't get mad. The shots, you know what I mean?

Do you have any super chats? Epion Zero. How's 2027 looking in terms of lane or even AJ replacement? Maybe the plan is using two ones to move up and get the guy next year. I mean, I think your AJ replacement is. McCoy Lemon and Eli Stowers and Duntaven-Wix as a trio. Yeah. That's how they're hoping to replace AJ Brown.

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I think the scenario where they're going to use two ones to move up, that might be for a tackle of the future. You know, if Lane Johnson retires this time next year, and they go into the draft without a clear replacement, I could see them moving up for that Lane Johnson successor because, I mean, Dana said it perfectly. Like, even if you were drafting top five,

you wouldn't want to call him a Lane Johnson. successor because that's such a lofty title. But that type of player usually is the type of player you move up for. You know, it's hard to find those guys even later in the first round. So I could see that. I'd be surprised if they use two ones to move up to get a receiver next year. No, but I wouldn't be surprised if they'd do that to find their tackle. Yeah, I agree.

That's what I'm saying. Jared H. This draft feels like Howie picking system over quarterback. I think that's an interesting friend. That is a very good framing. I agree. And I think you could read it that way. Yeah.

Now, I certainly don't think the Eagles or how we should be drafting or building the roster based on Sean Mannion. But this is a thing that we've talked about where part of the allure of hiring Sean Mannion is that even if he does leave, there are enough accolites of this system around the league, not to say just the people in the building as well. and Josh Grasard and whoever else, that you should be able to find someone who can run and implement a similar system? I don't think that's a crazy take. Yeah, no, they've definitely built up some depth on their staff where they do have some potential people in place

that could replace Sean Manning if he were to get a head coaching job in short order. But you're right. It's a system where you're going to constantly have people to pluck from. And I do think that's a good reading on what's happened. You know, you think about when you watch the highlights from McCoy Lemon and Eli Salman, and Eli Sowers, a lot of them are in the middle of the field.

A lot of them are, you know, with them being used in motion, in systems that don't really resemble what we've seen from the Eagles. So I think that this is a bet on Sean Mannion's creativity, his ability to scheme these guys into favorable situations and honestly to do things that will require Jalen Hertz to access parts of the field and attack certain types of coverages that they really didn't do much of last year. Well said. Cleveland Browns. selected not Jalen Rager,

but Alabama linebacker Justin Jefferson. Now was Jalen Rigger on the board. And Seattle is taking Bue Stevens, the Iowa Guard, B-E-A-U Stevens. Oh, and then a Fran favorite goes to the Raiders. Arizona Safety Dalton Johnson.

Part of that interestingly loaded Arizona secondary. Yeah, that's that Arizona secondary, I'm going to like make a note next year. I'm assuming that their coaching staff is the same. I want to watch them just to see like the weirdness that they have going on there because you hear a lot about that big nickel. Or maybe that big nickel defense that they run there in Arizona. All right.

We are now, since we're 28 picks away or so. Yeah. You're going to start throwing some darts. You want to start naming some names? I mean, Jalen Kilgore still being out there. Jalen Kilgore still out there. Surprising. Yeah.

They brought him in for a pre-jief visit. I could absolutely see if he's on the board. That being the pick. Harold Perkins. possible. He's starting to become more of a best player available out there. He's someone who would interest me. I mean, Garrett Nussmeyer.

I don't think Dussmeier is. I don't think it is. At some point, they're going to say, you know, he was best player on our board. Other safety possibilities, Robert Spears Jennings, I think. Could be their kind of guy. Hayden Barnett. They could go to Todd of, Joe Royer is still on the board. Yeah, it just feels like they can't go Joe Royer.

Why not? I already have Eli Sowers. I feel like Royer is in a similar mold to Stowers. He can do it. Enough of a two-way guy for you. Nick Singleton, Demon Claiborne, Josh Chuevas, John Nicole Lillenborg. Probably more of a trade-back scenario, but Zane Durant, Michael Taff,

those are guys who I would have expected to be available a little later, but maybe you're not going to get cute. I think like the likelihood of them trying to get some assets back and a move back from here, not for, you know, I know Eagles fans who have been waiting for a pick aren't going to want to hear this, but it wouldn't shock me

if they move back to try and get a few more picks. Not at all. But Jalen Kilgore might be a type of player. I think Kilgore is a guy that would be willing to stick and pick for. Yep, I think that might be exactly right. Nussmeyer.

And if they want Nussmeyer, then I think they would not move down if there was a quarterback. I would maybe throw Harold Perkins. Could you see how he's just loving Harold Perkins? Those three. I could see it. Yeah.

We talked a little bit about Billy Shroth. Oh, yeah. people in the chat who like Billy Strauss. We talked about him during the guard show. I did not love Billy Strauss. Really? Yeah. Was he old?

I don't think he's that old. Just, I didn't see any, I didn't see the power from Billy Strauss. Yeah, he seemed like a dirty work guy in college. He does have injury concerns. He got hurt each of the last two seasons of his college career.

So might be why he's lingering, lingering around. But I liked him when I watched him. I didn't feel like, you know, pound the table about him or anything. Okay. I thought he looked like the type of guy you, you won is like your sixth or seventh offensive linemen.

Billy, blah, blah. Okay. Demetrius Crownover, I mean, once you have Markell Bell. Yeah, I feel like that's... Especially those guys don't have guard flex. Like, they don't have any positional versatility. Okay. Let's take our next break here on the PHOI Eagles draft show.

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Bo and E-J, how are you doing? I'm doing great. This has been fun. You know, I was told going into this weekend that was going to be a lot of fun and it has lived up to those expectations. Even though you're going to have to stick around to the seventh round potentially.

Oh, my gosh. Poor God. You know, last night was great. great. Last night was like a full like hour earlier than I expected it to be. So I'm ready for the long haul. I will be honest though. Where do you rank day three in terms of your favorite days of the draft? I love day three. Is it your favorite? I don't know. I love all my children the same. No, just pick. Not asking you to pick your favorite children here. I don't know. They all have different vibes. I think day two is my favorite. Like there's a little bit

more volume, you know, there's a little bit, it's best of both worlds. You're finding like the diamonds in the rough, you're finding the players that you really were passionate about. I like day two. Yeah, but day three, I like, I like living in the long nastiness of this just morass. I mean, I don't know if I love living in the nastiness as much as you. Maybe that's it. I mean, day one, I see people in the chat saying day one, I think day one's, I think day one's

probably my least favorite. So as a viewer, I could see day one being your favorite because you get a real, like, it's a big production. Yeah. And it feels like you're watching the one that's going to actually move the needle in how these teams look next season. Yeah, you're watching these, these players, like their lives change in a way that can be very special and there's more storytelling that happens. Yeah. So I can appreciate that. But I don't know. It's like, there's not a, there's not as much that, like, moves you as day two and day three, in my opinion. You know, a pick that you really, you know, didn't expect. Like in day one, when teams make picks you don't expect,

it's like, oh, well, some teams are just really dumb. Yeah, you know? That's true. Yeah, day one is the time when I have the most fun, making fun of bad teams. Yeah, because there are always those bad decisions. Yeah, I think I go day two, day three, and then day one.

Jackie Wheatley. Oh, really? The Penn State Strong Safety with a little heft to him. Goes to the Carolina Panthers. Denver Broncos taking our guy, Justin Joe Lee, the tight end for NC State.

Like him a lot. Jager Burton, Yeager Burton, Kentucky Center, goes to the Green Bay Packers, and the San Francisco 49ers is taking Louisiana linebacker, Jaden Dugger. I like the Justin.

Was he in the name guy? No. I like the Justin Jolie fit for the Broncos. That feels like a good landing spot for him where he will be able to find himself in favorable situations. Like for Fran, that's good news.

He's going to be a product. I think he is a clear pathway to being a productive player in the NFL now. So Fran can take that victory lap. Okay. Lindsay, should I do my guys? Let's see if I can dig up on the list. I had more trouble with this exercise this year

than any past year just because there are several positions where there's nobody that I love. One of them is quarterback, but I'm thinking of just a guy to take a shot on late. I mean, in terms of Nussmeyer, I'm with you, if he was, if he's still there when they pick, I think that would be a good pick.

Yeah. I don't like him quite as much as you and Fran. I don't like any of the top guys very much. I mean, this is the least enthusiastic I've ever been about a quarterback guy myself, but I talked about him on the True Mark ad read Mark Kronowski from Iowa I think I see a little bit of this guy

could be an NFL backup and he's got enough pelts on the wall and just game started that there's a profile to believe in for guys of that background so Mark Rannowski not pounding the table for that one.

True Mark Grinowski. Yes. My favorite running back in the draft and we went through this exercise of watching the running backs and it was like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, and then all of us

sudden you put on the Emma Johnson tape from Nebraska and my eyes light up he's got the thing I care about most for running backs is the ability to make a guy miss in space and that's either making him miss or running through him right but you know to the ability to beat guys one-on-one he's got that his profile is really good he has a hot a one full better yards per carry and his teammates over the course of his college career. He's still on the board. I really like Emmett Johnson. I think he has upside to be a primary of a share

and be a very good running back. Jonah Coleman was my other guy, but I like Emmett Johnson a lot. Wide receiver, again, don't have a guy that I love. I'm with you on Ted Hurst. If I was taking a shot on a day two guy, it probably would have been Ted Hurst.

But the one that I'm calling for here is Elijah Surat vis-vis Omar Cooper and just the idea that Omar Cooper's going in round one Elijah Surratt was the guy who that offense ran through and I think

he has a natural ability to find space and zone he's kind of like he's a different body shape but I think he could have done for you what Mackayle Lemon is theoretically supposed to do for you went over the middle

knows exactly how to handle zone defenses so Elijah Surat for me a lot of tight ends I like Yeah. This is one where it would have been, there were a lot of guys where it could have been my guy.

And I would have gone Justin Jolie, but I felt like that was going to be a friend's guy. I like Sam Roush a lot. Yeah. Sam Rosh from Stanford. Pretty good testing results. Enough production. He's got these tiny little arms

that are interesting, but he can block. And I think there's real passing upside with Sam Roush. So there's my guy at tight end. Offensive line, or tackle rather. There's this one.

One guy, this tackle who is young, has incredible physical tools. And usually you're not going to find tackles with this kind of upside beyond round one. I think there's some real willingness and belief to dream on this guy. That's the number one overall pick in the L.A. No draft. That's Markell Bell, baby. Markell Bell. Eagles got my guy at tackle. Happy about Markle Bell. How he's got too. Caden Barnett from Wyoming is my interior offensive lineman.

Like that profile, we talked about how Guard is the kind of the oddity of where the best players come from relative to the other positions. It's the place where non-power five guys, older guys can have an easier path to success. Caden Barnett fits that. He's not that old. I think he's going to be 23 as a rookie. I think you see the fierceness that you. you want from a guard. He's got experience. I like Ken Barnett. I would be interested in him

potentially moving on here. We talked about Armason Thomas. He's my favorite edge guy relative to the values. Just the way that he's his feel as a pass rusher and where the weaknesses are and then the quickness with which he can get

to where those weaknesses are. I really liked watching Armazson Thomas like him. Defensive tackle. I like Darrell Jackson from Florida State. just the power that he has. I don't think there's a ton of pass rush upside, but he's not getting moved off his spot.

And again, maybe it is thinking back to the player Broderick Bunkley was at his best, which is just a force of nature in the run game. I like Daryl Jackson Jr. I have my linebacker as Josiah Trotter, but I would not have used a second round pick on Josiah Trotter. I was thinking more like late third, early fourth, but you see the instincts. He doesn't, he is undersized.

He doesn't play or look undersized to me. And even though he is undersized, he's got that Trotter family caboose. That's fun to watch. So I like Josiah Trotter. Cornerback? There are plenty of corners who I like. And now I did not want to take DeAngelo Pons from Fran because, boy, you cannot watch DeAngelo Pons and not fall in love with the guy.

So I went Malik Mohamed from Texas. Awesome zone instincts. Tested totally fine. I don't really understand why he fell to the fourth round. I like Malik Muhammad a lot. And then safety, this is the one that caught me by surprise, not a profile that I would love. But he's still on the board.

That's Cole Wisniewski. Yeah. From Texas Tech, he's going to be 24 as a rookie, played at North Dakota State, has missed a time with injury, missed the entire 2025-24 season. But, I mean, this is a guy who looks to me like he could play in the box today.

He has great run instincts, takes on blocks really impressively. I think he's probably a core special teams player over the course of his career, but I think there's a little bit of starting upside and Cole Wisniewski. Yeah, great list, excellent list. Can tell you did the work on these guys.

To me, Josiah Trotter, the argument I'd make for him going early, you just know you're getting a solid football player when you're drafting a Trotter, you know? Like Jeremiah Trotter Jr. showed you the, I would say like, I mean, it's not the low-range outcome, but you can feel good about the floor.

with those guys because they have that football instinct. So it's a fun family to follow. Tampa Bay Bucks draft Clemson defensive tackle Demonte Capehart, Florida Edge, George Gumbs Jr. Great name goes to the Indianapolis Colts. Oh. Detroit Lions take Keith Abney the second from Arizona State.

And then an interesting one that could have to the Eagles, Andrew McCuba's partner from last year, Michael Taff. the Texas safety goes to the dolphins. Yeah, I really like Taff. I think France comp for him was Marcus Hepps. And I saw that, you know, a guy who can contribute on special teams, but, you know, high-range outcome is that he could develop into a starter.

So I don't know, who, I guess it's Jalen Kilgore. Zaki Wheatley's gone. Is there a safety that it's like, if they draft him, he can compete for a starting spot? You still feel good about that. Yeah, I think compete for a starting spot is too much to ask for from a fifth rounder. agree. I think Spears Jennings could tempt them. Although I do think if, I mean, if they draft Jalen Kilgore, there will be, they will leave space for that possibility. Yeah. Yeah. I think

he makes sense. He is. I wonder if he has some kind of injury thing. Yeah, you do wonder. I mean, I guess maybe it's the type of thing where he's not going to be for everybody. Like he was used close to the line of scrimmage in a specific role in that star role for the, for South Carolina. Maybe that's a hang up. But I liked him. I thought he made sense as a, as a prospect. I would have, honestly, I would have probably projected him to go earlier than this to the Eagles. So I think he probably is the last one that jumps out to me as a potential competition player for that starting role. Otherwise, you are looking at Michael Carter and Marcus Epps as a two and with the inside track for that job. We're a veteran.

Yeah, if they trade for somebody. Jesse Bates, I think that's a good pool by you. Yeah, thank you. That's a thing. Oh, this is an interesting one. I know. This is up your alley, my friend. the Minnesota Vikings have drafted C.J. Ham's replacement.

Max Bredesen from Michigan. He's a fun player. Yeah, I, this is a, he is a maniac. The run is going to start now, isn't it? On these dirty work tight ends, he's going to get me all right up. He's a fullback.

He looks to him as a tight end. He is a fullback. He is C. These are my guys. Cody Hardy, him? I want one of these. I don't think the run is going to start, but. I'm paranoid.

This is like when Fran was, like wondering if the angel Hapons was going to make it to the Eagles and he's like no it's not going to happen it's not going to happen yeah yeah this is me like oh no the run starting on the dirty work guys that I was hoping to watch during training camp

ah man for the person in the chat rooting for Billy Shroth bad news he goes to the Tampa Bay Bucks a very bucks pick yeah these picks are coming in quick yeah a white guy with a weird face

does he have a weird face and a nice belly that's got bucks written all over it does have a weird face Oh, no. Look at his face. Baby face. He's got a baby face.

Yeah. That is very bucks. Lindsay, have we hit three breaks or just two? Oh, well, then we better go to break before the hour is over. Eagles closing in. They are. Let's call it 20, no, 19 picks away. It happened at any minute.

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back in the PHA Y Eagles podcast Fran EJ Lindsay Oh Good to see you Brian you want to talk about some of these late Yeah let's go through them

I'm gonna I'll read off Like three to last uh yeah I feel like we left you At Justin Jefferson The last one I talked No the last one I talked about was Joshua Joseph Oh okay we got a bunch here We got a bunch all right

I'll give you three at time Pick one Okay Bo Stevens to the Seahawks, Justin Jefferson, not that one, to the Browns, and Dalton Johnson to the Raiders. You're going to talk about Dalton Johnson. I'm going to talk about Dalton Johnson

because I might talk about Justin Jefferson later. Dalton Johnson, safety from Arizona. He's the one that, I believe I brought him up on the video for players to keep in mind for today, for the Eagles. Kind of reminded me of Kurt Coleman when I studied him. It was a potential late round pick, undersized, but he's he's athletic he tested a lot better than I thought he's really instinctive he's tough and competitive he's got good ball skills I liked Alton Johnson it would not shock me if he became a starter

down the line so I liked that pick for the for the Raiders those of us rooting for the guys who you have pounded the table for it to have good NFL careers yeah excited to see Justin Joe Lee going to the Denver Broncos yeah they traded up for him the fact that he goes to Sean Peyton I think he's a great fit for that scheme so I just got done talking with our friends out at DNVR and they're very excited about it. Yeah, that's, that is one that I think it's a perfect scheme fit. We'll see how that goes. Yeager Burton to the Packers, Jaden Dugger to the Niners,

Demante Capehart to the Bucks. Yeah, Jaden Dugger to the 49ers is really interesting. You know, they just traded D Winters to Dallas yesterday. When I'm looking at Dugger, this is the guy that I did not study before the Shrine Bowl. He was the guy walking away from the Shrine Ball. I'm on the flight to Mobile. I'm like, all, let me, you know, kind of like, letting everything percolate in my head from whatever.

everything I just watched that week. And he was the best player that I had not studied at all. And I was one of the best players I saw in the week of practice. He is like 6-4 with a freaky wingspan and was all over the field. Converted Ivy League safety who moved to linebacker. And watching the tape later, I'm like, all right, he's very developmental. There's a lot to work with there. Like, you know, he's not going to be able to play right away.

But man, the traits are phenomenal and the flashes are really impressive. He's a fun player. George Gumbs Jr. Yep. To the Indianapolis Colts. Heath Abney the second to the Detroit Lions and Michael Taff to the Miami Dolphins. I'm going to go quick,

three quick hitters there. You like all of them. Yeah, George Gumbs converted wide receiver. He was a walk-on wide receiver at Northern Illinois and then started playing defense his third year there, then transferred to Florida, played two years down in Florida. He's developmental pass rusher. That's a perfect Chris Ballard pick all day.

Keith Abney. Junior Declare from Arizona State undersized, solid athlete, but not great, not good enough to like overcome the lack of size and the tough, like the physicality end of it worried me a little bit. And then Michael Taff is a solid player.

We've talked about him a decent amount here on the show. Really high character, former walk-on. I think there's versatility. I like to more like a high-end backup as opposed to a starter, but yeah, he's got ability. CJ Ham, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Max Brettison.

Yeah, the fullback. There goes EJ's specialist shot for a fullback. Cody Hardy? No, he's a inline tight end. We'll stop that bridge. Yeah, Max Bradison is a foolback from Michigan. He ends up going to Minnesota. Okay, so yeah, he's a fun player.

Oh, no, another one. An exciting one, actually. This is one where I get to root for this one. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. Emmett Johnson, my guy. You missed it. I did my guys. I actually heard you in between hits.

And he goes to the Kansas City Chiefs. That's a good, I like that. That's exciting. Yeah, explosive runner. Great production this year. He was an All-American running back for Nebraska this year. I was left wanting a little bit. Like, he's fine, but I was hoping for a little bit more

when I did the tape considering the production. But he's a draft pick out of year. Like, if he was in last year's running back class, he's getting drafted. Billy Shrath, very bucks coated. Yeah, he's an interior lineman, you know, guard center, but probably more of a guard. I'm surprised they waited this long to address O-line, honestly,

based off some of the intel I got. But yeah, I thought he had a shot to be a starter. So that's a pretty good pick for them. Do you have a sense of why Jalen Kilgore has not been drafted yet? This is where I personally have him,

you know, like I had him as a low-end backup. Like, he was my safety, what? He was, I mean, he had to be like in the teens. I, I, I, he was in mock drafts in the summer. Like, coming in, like, he was, like, seen as, like, a top 30 player for a lot of people. I couldn't quite get there. I think a lot of people were excited about like the Imanwari and like oh like he's taking over for him and yeah

he was not that level of player for me. I think he is more of like a deep safety that was not playing there that much at South Carolina. So now it's going to be a little bit of a projection. But he is young, high character. This is, I think this is a perfect spot to take him. So if he's on the board, he's probably on my short list for the Eagles if he's still there. He was your safety 15. There we go.

Yeah. Well, let's talk about the other safety thing. There go. Another Duke player just went off the board. Chandler Rivers he's a slot corner he goes to the Ravens yeah it's a Ravens type player

undersized tough physical good ball skills but I question the athleticism I think he does have to play in the nickel and honestly they're just aren't there aren't a lot of nickel corners that are built that way anymore

a lot of the nickels now are bigger the Cooper de Gene ishish so he's a little bit of a throwback but he's a good player let's talk about the other safeties who are available Mr. Duffman let me get this this up here

On your rankings, best available is Cole Wisniewski, your safety 11. Yeah. I don't think Howie Roseman will take him. I know. In the draft, he's not one of the unique, unusual factor guy.

So yeah, my guess is he is not an Eagles pick. On draft of free agency, yes. Robert Spears Jennings does have possibility, yes. Traits. Yep. What kind of player are we talking about? This is the safety from Oklahoma, 6105.

tested out of the gym. Tall, great length. All the testing was like the straight line stuff. I believe he did not do shuttles at all. And tested really, he ran like four threes, had really good jumps.

In space on film, I have questions. You know, I think that he could be like a tight end matchup guy at times. I think he is more of like your traditional strong safety,

but because of the explosiveness and like the nature of his athleticism, I think he can play in today's league. Like I think he can play, but I have more of like a high-end backup. upgrade. Solid player. Solid player.

Okay. Deshawn Singleton? I like Singleton. I think Singleton and Kilgore are cut from the same cloth. I actually like his ability to be a tight end matchup player more than Kilgore. I've got a higher grade on him than Kilgore if memory serves. Just above. Yeah.

So they're the same archetype of player. This is the safety from Nebraska. Yeah. If you miss out on Trey Stukes on day two, like I think those got, he and Kilgore are kind of like your day three versions of that player. Okay. I mean, that's about it here. I don't think you're going to DJ Payne, right?

No, I don't like pain as much. Okay. How would you feel about any of these guys in a competition with Marcus Epps and Michael Carter's second? I think they can compete. Yeah? Yeah, I think can compete. Okay.

Interior Offensive line, if you're just thinking about other people who could compete for a spot. Right. again we're you're you're down to Brian Parker the second as your next guy your interior guy 10 converted tackle who I think he'll be fine for the for the interior

this is not a deep group he's not he's not an Eagles type honestly I'm not looking at this group there's nobody I'm not seeing one that I think maybe DJ Campbell I can see DJ I think I can see them like him DJ Campbell um I don't see anybody else that I can't think maybe Jaden Robert

Jaden Roberts is a physically imposing guy, like really good size, but developmental player. He was like a top five guy on the freaks list two straight years. Okay. So he's got traits. He's got traits. What about them just taking the Isaiah World Redshirt year? You can do that too.

Right. A lot of developmental tackles all of a sudden. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. But bet diversification. Yeah.

The value is definitely better at tackle right now than interior. Yeah. line from what it looks like. Another corner off the board. Charles Demings, the corner market's getting picked over bad. That corner group got really good. All of a sudden, like there is.

And it is kind of, that was the bummer of losing the fourths because like the second round, yep, left you wanting. Basically this draft from like, the top was, was not great.

Yep. And then there was kind of a fall off around like 25 through 65. Yep. Yeah. But then like the middle of the third through the end of the fourth were guys who were at that same level. And so that was a nice spot to get guys. Right.

Yep. I don't know. Sorry, I'm just going through. Edge guys. I'm not seeing a lot there either. That's super exciting. Zane Durant's still there. Zane Durant, I think, is interesting.

The defensive tackle from Penn State, who has that upfield ability. Yeah. Different kind of body type. I could see the Eagles liking him. I've got two green play, like, in terms of like the color coats of my, okay. I got two green players left. One is Garrett and Osmeier.

Yeah. And the other is the tackle Demetrius Crown over. But I think you're not taking him. That doesn't make a as well. Yeah, I had Bell as a higher grade. I had them in the same bucket. I don't know, man. To me, I feel like tight end might be the spot where there is still a guy worth taking.

There's a few there. Royer, Cosiel. Bentley is the one I would, because he's a boxer. Yeah. He, like, he's got some juice tested well. He's older. He's, like, 25, 26. They could go Michael Trigg and really get the duo.

They can't take charge. How weed Roseman move right there. What about Kogh. Is he enough of a blocker that you could say, okay, this is our in-line guy? He's a developmental. He's a developmental in-line guy. You know, like, he's got like the body type, but the film's not, like, great there yet. Yeah.

But I think he could potentially, Kogel just went. Oh, really? To the Jacksonville Jaguars. Yeah. I was just about to say I like Kojil. And the Jaguars are developing into a team that's like easy to peg too. Yeah. Let's be excited for next year's mock drafts.

Given all of that, I feel like Nussmeyer is a very real possibility. I think Nussmire's a real possibility. As long as he's got the green light medically. Yeah. Even if it's like a yellow light at this point. Lindsay, should we still do the TV break? Hey, if you're watching on TV, we'll be back in two minutes.

Goes the other way. That way. That way. Yeah. That was right. Always. Like always. Several of your soups.

Yeah, the soup. I was right with the soups. You guys are wrong. You were, okay. That's not my fault. All right. It's not the draft of the soups you can make it home. Did you get the validation in the text that you were hoping for?

No, but here's what they said. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what they said. They went with France. Well, there were two different, two different responders in the group. Mike went, goes with D, but he says that I was going for the ones that that would make it home. Okay. Bill goes, oh, Bill didn't give an answer.

Oh, you're telling me there's a chance. Silence is deafening. Yeah? Yeah, he's not going to be. He's not going with you. He's not going on. Okay. Tell it to me too.

I'll get some outside opinions. I don't need it. Frankly, I don't need validation I got that's going on He's texting GMs Yeah, here, let me get into you, Lindsay What about Joe Royer? I like Joe Royer

Is he? Singleton goes off the board to the Tennessee Titans I could see their eagles going running back here too Demand Claiborne Claiborne gives you some juice I like DeMond Claybourne

Yeah, that's running Outside of that though Eli Hydenrag? Oh, that would make us go crazy. That would be a lot of fun. That would be fun. That would be a lot of fun. It's probably a luxury.

Well, yeah, it seems duplicative with lemon, right? Yeah, luxury draft at this point. But, I mean, you want to talk about replacing AJ Brown. You get Eli High rank in that room. We are good to go. One for one, one for one. We are good to go. I like when there is a player that is like so not like what you would think you would like that you just fall in love with.

That always makes me smile. Hardwatch with the Hartwax? I actually See the Bears go I mean I think Hyderick I think that's possible The Bears group We're not going to be happy

Because this D-Line group Got completely picked over And they've been like begging For a defensive lineman I could see Durant for them maybe Which tight end of the Bears end up But I feel like They took Rausch

And they were upset about it They were upset Bears fans are upset about Because they have Colston Loveland and Cole come at. Long-term planning. I like Roush.

Levian Moss. Maybe this will just be a luxury draft for the Eagles. You know, it's a weak class. You just pick players. You feel like actually have a chance. You pick good players. At the end of the players.

Don't prioritize the premium positions. Yeah. I didn't write. I would love that. I didn't write. Oh, that would be so exciting. I mean, I think there's a real chance that they go luxury here,

whether it's Garrett Nussmeier or Eli Hydenreich, yeah, could happen. Should we do a draft of who they're going to draft? I mean, we can if you want. Let's do it. Let's do it. But Lindsay's got to play too. I got to pull them the best available.

I'll just go by like who's best looking. I'm going to take Garrett Nussmeier. I'll leave Haydn'Rike on the board for you guys. Give me Kilgore. Yeah, like to eat your vegetables pick. I mean, it's... Had it been on authority to visit. Whoever wins this draft,

gets five extra points in Turkey's to the draft kingdom. I don't think that's fair. Okay, I was trying to give you a third of a bone here. Oh, man, he guys took the two clear top picks. I will go... Chicago took Keishon Elliott linebacker from Arizona State. You like it?

Yeah. He's actually a T.J. Edwards comp and I brought them up on the show to them. So that's, uh... I'll go Spears Jennings. Okay. Lindsay, you're up. Oh, I almost deleted him from my board, uh, from the, like the draft

trash if he just went off the board. You got two, Lindsay. Are we doing Snake? She's like, awesome. Great. You got it was really torn. Lindsay, you could go, uh, you could go Demand Claiborne. You could go,

Ketron Allen. You could go, you could go, Hydenreich. You could go Joe Royer. I'm going to go, this is totally based on their pictures of best available right now on the website. VJ. Payne.

He's got a sharp jaw line. Sharp jaw. Very sharp jaw line. I think I might put that in the draft guide. This picture, very sharp. I mean, you describe lots about the guys. Oh, and then, yeah, I'll go. Daman Claiborne. He looks like so sweet. He's got a good smile.

I like that. That's the Wake Forest sweetness. Go Deeks. I'll go Zane Durant. I mean, let's do it. Eli Hydenry. I was hoping he made it. Just give me the rooting interest there. I got no dog in this fight now. Give me Dayclan right. Why not? All right. A fun tight end. Shout out to Eric Drew. Thighard. Yeah.

Old Miss, big Ole Miss fan. Shout out to Nick. Who just let me know that he gets. You have a big $100 donation to Big Brothers Big Sisters. Oh, thank you, Nick. Appreciate that. Now we're talking. If you see the donate button on there, you do see it, raising money for the big draft.

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That's great. That's awesome. That's fantastic. Thanks for everybody. Hide in Reich. Hide in Reich. It would be so exciting. How close are we getting?

That'd be fine. Do you think if they draft Hyden Reich, they can just flip Stowers? Get a one. Don't give me a hope. You can make sure it's draft. Don't give me a hoon. Just joking. I'm joking.

Good stuff. All right. You already mentioned Kishon Elliott? Yes, mentioned Kishon Elliott. He's a good player. Like he was pretty good at the senior ball. I thought he had a good week down there. Physical instinctive.

I mentioned like a T.J. Edwards comp. Like that's kind of how I saw Kishan Elliott. He's a good player. He could be a starter. Okay. All right. So we got Buffalo. We got Detroit, then Pittsburgh.

Buffalo Bill. Sounds like Stowers. We'll meet with the media soon. Are we done with this draft for the players? What? Are we done with that one? Yeah. More?

No, I just want to be repaired. I was going to go with Broison Eason, which like kind of fun name. But he also made the name draft as a lyrical name. He doesn't have a picture on here, so it's just a gray silhouette. So I would pick him just fell bad. And then I was going to ask, is there any Villanova guys? There was a guy that was like on the fringe, like potential priority for agent type. Because who's their, what's their quarterback's name?

He's a lefty, right? Yeah, I forget his name. Too many names in my... Yeah, there are a lot of names. Yeah. Shout out, Mark Ferranti, though. Ruger's got five Villanova guys here. Yeah.

Luke Colella, who is a wide receiver. No. No, no. Hold on. That's only one. And then Temi, Adiratutu.

Oh! Who's a guard. And Jordan Adderly. Oh, it's got to be in December. year out of lease who is a corner got to be a near idly right of three guys who could potentially get an invite to camp oh there goes jalen kilgore oh buffalo bills that's a good scheme fit yeah i think that i really do think that that probably would have been the pick if he was there yeah i don't if there's another another guy they're going to like there trade i think

it's a trade out scenario i think it's now i'm going to trade out scenario i think it's i think it's i think it's nuss my or a trade out i but say luxury pork pick or trade out. I'm moving up for. Well, yeah. Yeah, it's the other thing is like... We're not seeing a lot of trade up trade-ups right now for this reason.

That's true. And do you have like enough players that you like enough trade back and get? There's still a while away through. 11 picks now. All right. All right.

Let's see our next break here. The P.H.O.I. Draft show. We are three hours and 15 minutes into the show. And we are now about 10 picks away. from the first Eagles pick of the afternoon. Here we go.

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Kendrick Law. Wide receiver from Kentucky. Began his career at Alabama. Played there a couple years. Started with Nick Saban. And so was a starter on all four special teams as a freshman. And Nick Saban was like effusive in his praise of the freshman wide receiver at the time. he's gotten some like

I want you to show on camera what you're doing right now EJ wants to get water for us and he's really he's got a delicate balance going he's got multiple cups stacked on stacked on top of each other but law

has drawn some comparisons to like Debo Samuel Light like he's that kind of receiver where it's a lot of yards after catch he's got a you know he's got his butt that's that's sort of

I was just trying to figure out the best way to say it. So thank you for help me there. You're right? Oh, the bubble, yes. He got a good looking bubble. A lot of yards after catch stuff, like get him the ball quickly. He can be a return man. So he ends up with the Detroit Lions.

He's a lion's type. Steelers on the clock. McCoy Lemon on the phone. Could this be, could this be Hutton Reich? Payback. No, they go with the Indiana fullback. Oh, Riley, Noakowski. Man.

He said, that's an EJ type right there. You would have, like, Riley, nookowski. I told you the run starting. Yeah, you're right. You were right starting. Riley, Rely Yessikowski. Yeah, the thing is, there's not a lot of those guys left. Cody Hardy.

Jared. Jaron Kanek. Yeah, that'd be the last one. He's honestly the only one that I would say like, oh, yeah, like fullback. And even then, that's a little bit of a reach. On a scale of one to Jackson falls, where does Cody Hardy fall for you? I had a slight a higher grade on Jackson Haas But he's at the highest grade

He's been in the past couple years Haas? Yeah It's got to be up there. It's like, you know, him and Patrick Sturtan Jr. Okay. Such a funny combination of players. I know you said that honestly. That's made some funny.

Yeah. Let's talk about, let's talk about Garrett Nussmeyer. And let's do it because he's got this injury. Concern. Hmm. In the Rothman bounceback. The Bounceback presented by

Rothman, Rothman, Rothman. I don't know if that's their jingle. Garrett doesn't know. A player that you have been fond of for quite some time. What do you like about him?

If he were healthy, what's the upside? I mean, if he were healthy, if he had been healthy all year and then we're healthy now, he's probably, he'd go around the spot where Simpson went.

Right. Like I think he's in that mix, personally. That's how I evaluated him. I know there are others that evaluated him. I know there are others that evaluated him in the same way. But he wasn't healthy this year. And then there are questions about long-term durability. And you're stealing with a small sample size of starts.

And that's why he's here now. You know, we saw this. We saw this with Chidor Sanders last year. And we're seeing, because we're seeing, there's only so many teams that are looking for quarterback every year. And so if there's only so many teams that are looking to address quarterback, there's only so many, you know, there's only so many spots, you know,

that are up for grabs. If you limit then, like, oh, like, there's a medical risk. All right, well, let's say half the teams are out. And if a bunch of those teams that were in the running for you are out, there just aren't a lot of teams competing for your services. So the quarterback, there's always going to be guys that fall a little bit further down the board. Joe Royer off the board.

Yep. Yep. But I think that's kind of where we're at with, with Musmeyer. And what are the, what kind of comparisons do you put on Nussmeyer? What are his strengths? Full upside. I mean, a guy that I remember doing a segment with you last May, last June. The upside, like to me is like a Tony Romo type of player. You know, I think he could be a starter.

And Romo went undrafted out of Eastern Illinois and became the starter with the Cowboys, as we know. Tony Romo, but on the wagon. Yeah. Jesus. Baker Mayfield was named that's been thrown around. I mean, I personally liked his film more than Baker Mayfields at Oklahoma. Andy Dalton, actually a name that I have written down in the player com section. um undersized

gunslinger mentality willing to be willing to cut the caught the ball loose in the middle of the field uh sometimes to his detriment I think he's got a good arm not a great arm but I think he's got a good arm he's a fine athlete he's not a creator like uh in terms of like oh man like he's gonna consistently

make defenses pay and keep defensive coordinators up at night but uh like pain in the butt on third and eight and he runs for nine like that kind of he's like to me like that kind of player um the accuracy is good the touch is really good Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot to like with Nussmeyer, but the long-term durability was a big question,

especially at his size. At some point, though, like if you're evaluating him as a backup, now listen, I know you don't want an injury-prone backup either, but it's not like you're expecting him to play like a 17-game season. You're expecting him to be in spots for you.

Does that change the calculus at all? Yeah, I mean, the later you go in the draft, the easier of a pill that is to swallow. But at the end of the day, like, we talked about with the injury situations. It's so often it's like green light, yellow light, red light. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know how many teams were green light and I don't know how many teams were yellow and how many teams were red. But my guess is that there are a bunch that were red. If we're gotten to this point, he's still not on the boards or not off the board. So I wanted to pull up. So during the fall, no one really knew anything about like from an injury standpoint. Let me see if I can just find this really quick. Let me search for it.

I'll say while you're looking for it, that it's important to note that he's the cohab, the cohabitation matrix at the Eagles value. His father is Doug Nussmeyer, who's Eagles quarterback's coach in 2024, and is currently the quarterback's coach, or O.C. Offensive coordinator. For the New Orleans Saints. Followed Kellanmore there. So last summer during training camp, he missed a decent amount of time.

And Brian Kelly kind of like just kind of said it as an aside, but no one really knew anything about it. It was just like, yeah, he's got like this chronic knee thing. And everyone was like, huh? like no one knew about it but classic thing for a little bit oh yes um so the way it was described was dealing with

petteller tendonitis and that that's something that they've had to like manage and it was like you know even when he was a backup like over the course of his career it was like a practice time and things like that and that scares people away um you know and so to be like he missed a lot of time with what was uh i think it was dubbed like an oblique like abstrain early and kind of like he required i believe he required like

core muscle surgery right after the season. And ended up still going to the senior ball. And I thought he was the best quarterback down there in Mobile. But, yeah, like he dealt with the abstrain, that core muscle injury throughout the season. You could tell, like, could not step into throws. It was one of those where you're watching when he's like grimacing after. Like, you know, the arm didn't have the same level of juice this year. So, yeah, he tried gutting it out.

And then they ended up just sitting them. And then that was that by the end of it. So it just wasn't a good year. You know, if he had come out last. last year healthy, like who knows how high he would have gone. But yeah, this is, you were also high on Tanner McKee in the draft. Yeah. How does he compare as a prospect of Tanner McKee?

Different kinds of players. Slightly different kinds of players. Yeah, I had, yeah, I had McKee. He would have been like in this class. He probably would have been in like my 50s, um, in terms of like overall player. I liked Tanner McKee when he's coming out of Stanford. Definitely like a, they're different archetypes. But yeah, like similar, similar tier of player.

Okay. Close the book on the Rothman bounce back as Garrett Nussmeier looks to bounce back from an unexpected fall in the draft. Maintains the upside. I see some movement in the chat for the Eagles to draft a kicker. For me. Yeah, you started it. Oh, yeah, that's right. I would be absolutely shocked if the Eagles did that.

Now, keep in mind, they have guaranteed. He's not going to what? Jake Elliott's contract. for this season. His money is guaranteed. So I don't think he's losing that job. I don't think they're going to use a pick on that. I would be floored if that was the case.

I would be surprised, too, as much as I would love it for my own self-reason. Karan Pranti, go Deeks. Go to the Patriots. First one? Yeah. First one. I'm not happy about it.

And then Lorenzo Stiles Jr. Safety from Ohio State. The other safety from Ohio State. Yeah. Stiles, I mean, outstanding athletic workout at the Combine. Began his career as a receiver at Notre Dame and transferred to Ohio State, moved to the defensive side. It's kind of seen as like a nickel safety hybrid type of player.

New Orleans loves their Ohio State Buckeyes. They love the Buckeyes. So, yeah, not a surprising pick there. I used to coach do some weekend work with Stiles P's son in baseball. Oh. So there you go. Good player. He was like six years old at the time, but yeah, he knew what he was doing.

I mean, you did, we did these clinics. Yeah. Shout out to Stiles P. We're getting close. Harold Perkins Jr. is very much how we coded. I can definitely see that. Yeah. I wonder if he, how does Vic Fangio feel about Harold Perkins?

Yeah, well. Yeah. I don't even know if Vic is there today. Perkins does not strike me as a a fan geotype but a Howie type Yeah If this guy had gone in the draft after his freshman year

He would have been a top 20 if I No I actually don't think that that was the case Even back then As much as our former co-host would protest that Jamie No Oh CMAC Not Zemak either, no

Shout out to Eagles Beakley That's right Shout out CMAC Lindsay knows Well Lindsay's giving a shout out to CMAC All right Shout out CEMAC I feel like I

I feel like I gotta give CEMAC No you were the last one Let the record show But still a part of the shoutout Now CMA He's not included Okay One two, three, four, five

Six picks away Then we can go on the clock with Ashley Man We made it almost you know what it sounds like a joke but three and a half hours have kind of flown by

oh absolutely that soup draft was at least a half hour it was been fun rewind a little bit to go get to the soup draft should we do an app draft like that is a loaded draft

yeah yeah either one you would not suggest an app on your phone draft oh you can draft you can waste a pick

on an app but if I was doing an app a phone app draft. I think actually we should do that. Okay. I mean, I felt pretty good about that.

Yeah, it depends on what kind of, I'm trying to think of the lane I'd want to be in for this type of draft. There's really only one I want. I don't want to give it away, but there's a clear top one on my board. Alarm the clock. Nailed it.

You said alarm clock? The clock, yeah. The clock app. Easily S tier, the only one that matters. Yes. I mean, you don't wear a lot I'm not even putting any thought into it I mean, you want to take away every other half on my phone

I will write you a letter thanking you you have made my life so much better just leave me the clock How many alarm? Do you use the alarm function all the time? Yeah, yeah. I actually, I honestly, I should have more alarm set. I'm usually like, there's six of them.

And then I'll just change. I got your beat. Yeah, that's not bad. I've got more than that. I'm chaotic with my ears. You just keep them all and then you just hit the one you need. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

See, that's absurd. That's crazy. You change one that you have or start a new one. 59 p.m. I actually do have. So I have six, which is enough to not have to scroll. And then I will change one if I see something moving around a little bit. Something for midnight.

There's like four a.ms, two pms. The p.ms you need to sound. The a.m. it needs to be just vibrate. that's how you wake up your phone just vibrates and you wake up yeah I'd never wake up yeah are you a snooze on the phone if your spouse is in bed asleep no but but I've heard you if it's like an early flight then I'm suddenly I'll sit like three alarms you know three minutes apart or whatever it is don't do this I won't I just I just ask you've done this too many times I've heard you do it like two or three times I mean it's it's it's I'd say it on the show because it doesn't bother me hmm like you sell it

I'm used to. I mean, I Yeah, but you know what? Your words say it doesn't bother me, but the fact that you bring it up consistently means it bothers me. I would not bring it up on a child. My life is amazing. She works a much more important job than I do.

Keeping the house clear of burglars. While also saving babies. Yes, she's dealing with animals. Like those solicitors. Yeah, all that you know about me, if it bothered me, if you guys would not know about it. Josh Juvaas

goes up to board to the Baltimore Ravens Did you see Deontes in the chat and he asked a good question which pick would send France

furthest up the wall from the Eagles that's a good question Yeah who would make you the most It would make you the most It's tough to get upset But

there's got to be somebody All right Hold on Michael Trigg Up there Honestly no It'd be Like DJ Rogers

The Tid from TCU. But honestly, I don't want to say names because it's going to wish it into existence. But Michael Trigg, you could have taken anyone in the second round and still gotten Michael Trigg.

Yeah, I know. And the Dame Tucker. The 26-year-old pass rusher from Western Michigan. Yeah, well, that's me. It's going to... Right. I don't think that. I mean, he's very low for Ming.

Michael Trigg would be funny. Um, yeah. Uh, how about Taylin Green? How about Diego Pavia? I'm talking about dog mentality. Nick Syriani.

Oh, we have a super chat asking about a specific player, actually. Oh, we do? Eric Drew wants to know about Dayquan Wright. Yep. I mean, EJ brought him up a little bit ago. Yeah,

Wright is a, he's an interesting, he's a big body tight end. He's got some athleticism. I think developmental as a, not developmental as a blocker, but like still room to grow as a blocker. But he's got the,

there's a few guys left that I've got faith can turn into like good two-way threats. I would put him in there. I would put Dallan, Dallin Bentley in there. Maybe Luke McCree, but those guys aren't quite as dynamic, or they're more dynamic than McCree is.

That might be it. How would you feel about him as a complimentary? I thought it was Lake McCree. Yeah, I thought that's it. Yeah. Yes. You got a ponds and a lake in this draft. Woo.

And a Chandler Rivers. I mean, you need Danny Ocean making us pretty wet. How would you feel about us? Let's get to our last break before the Eagles pick. They're on the clock. At about three. We finally got there. All right.

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Adam Randall goes off to board. Oh, really? Former wide receiver turned running back from Clemson. To where? More ravens. I think that's a fine gamble. I mean, these are all long shots. I know you don't like him, but.

Tomon Claiborne's there. Yeah, I would rather have Demon Claiborne. Yeah, I like to Monclay. Five picks, four picks to go. Man. Raiders on the clock. This is a legitimate question. I don't know if running back's going to get the double digit drafted.

What are we at now? Seven? Or six. I think less than that. I think it's at six, yeah. I think it's at six. There was three after yesterday. I think it's been three since.

It's only been one. Randall? No, there have been two now. Emma Johnson and Randall. Oh, Emma Johnson. Yeah. Oh, and Singleton. So three in the fifth round.

Yeah. It was three yesterday. So how many went there? Were there none in the fourth? I do not see any in the fourth. the fourth uh jonah coleman went jonah call so seven and all right so we'll get so we'll get to yeah but the average is 21 so it's not going to get there they might i mean they won't get to 15 probably yeah right it's gonna it's gonna hinge on what they list ikeye hide and rack asked yeah right

when the eagles draft him in four picks baby we will get the eagles pick before anybody else oh shot fired I like that. I like that. The challenge has been issued. The gauntlet has been thrown down. You're only going to get it here. Nowhere on social media.

The P.H.O. Eagles show will break it. We're getting there. A reminder of the draft that we had. Who everybody's rooting for. E.J. has Garrett Nussmeier. I'll read this around. And Darwish?

What did I write down here? Who did you? What was your other pick? I have no idea based off of that. Hard wish. Darwish. I see a D. A W and an S.H.

A D? You have Gaeling Kilgore who no longer can go. No. And Hydenreich. I have Robert Spears Jennings and Zane Durant

and the great Lindsay has VJ Payne and Daman Claybourne. What did you take? You took Nussmeyer. And Darwish. No, I was tripling. John, dribbling.

The 33 second. I was just genuinely questioning. What we just did about, uh, running back quarterback. I'm like, oh, I took,

uh, the tight end from Ole Miss. What's his name? Oh, Dekwan Wright. Yeah, Deekwan Wright. Yeah,

Deacon Wright. So I thought we were talking about the original. That makes sense. The D, scribble, scribble, scribble, W.

Yeah. Uh, your father and all was happy. Uh, he's Akiah Massus. Yeah, he's his guy. Yeah, he liked,

he likes, of Chicaa Mastis and I was like, oh, then you like Ephesians Priceock for similar reasons. He didn't like him as much. Really? Yeah. What about Taco Davis? He did not like Taco Davis. My nephew, he likes Taco Davis.

Okay. Built the same way. We're getting there. So who do we really think it's going to be? I think Darwin. Darwish. I knew it the whole time. Harry Perkins.

Can I swap out Kilgore for somebody? Yeah. Let's go. Um, but it only counts as half a point right uh let's go with guys that fit their type how about gilly how about gillenborg i did think about him because he's a freakless tight end bigger body yeah yeah he'd be more like he's like honestly like he's too i think he's too similar to uh he's not an in line guy no he want one of my comps for him was gisicki

we go down and Bentley put me down for Bentley all right could be your boy Tony Lucas I think they can wait on Lucas I think we've been waiting only

once they'll trade out Ketron Allen to the Chiefs come on yeah let's say what's oh they were a shot right across Emma Johnson's out Emma Johnson's gonna kick Ketron Allen to the curb

not even gonna get off the plane he's going to get traded for Eli Stowers All right two picks to go Oh man we're getting there Will they pick I think they do pick actually I kind of think they do too Just because I mean we haven't seen a lot of trades

Yeah And I don't know I mean Is there enough talent in the street Where you want multiple lights at the apple Let us know who you want in the chat Yeah but say let us know Zavian Harris I see

Oh that's all right it was not K-Tron. Oh, Cyrus, Allen. Actually just got text, Alan to KC. Cyrus Allen, wide receiver. Okay. Cincinnati. K-Tron's still on the board.

So K-Tron Allen's still out there. Scroll up a little bit, Lindsay. Who does everybody want here? Perkins or tradeout? Brian Parker the second. V.J. Payne. That's your family. We found Lindsay's burner.

Not a lot of Nussmeyer in the chat. No. Not surprising. No. There aren't a lot of guys that like fit there. Yeah. Like Lander Barton, the lineback from Utah, you say he's pretty tratesy. I guess Perkins.

Perkins definitely does just fit them. They're a long staff. Ooh, the Nuss bus. I like that. Got a lot of value on the Nuss bus. Nussie. Could you see them go on edge rusher again? Like after after the trade?

Yeah. But who? Nigelie Kelly is like a former five star like four five star recruit at Miami and then transferred to UCF he was the other guy opposite Malachi Lawrence he's long he's kind of built like Josh Swet but not a great football player at the moment like you're kind of betting on the upside he's still a young senior

betting on the comments they say Max Luella not their type no I mean he tested decent but I would be shocked if he was their type tailing green is their type Green, that's fun. Yeah. See it?

Yeah. Over an Aspire, though. That would, I mean, it would have to be really, really, I would just mean the medical thing I would feel. Yeah, the court, I don't think the trait stuff applies to quarterback. I agree. I mean, think about it, they took him a key. Right.

Exactly. Detackle, there are some traits you guys left. Like Zane Durant. Yep. Cam Ball's got upfield ability. Jackie Marshall from Baylor is a player that I think, you know, could fit for them. Skyler Gil Howard from Texas Tech.

Those guys all, you know, have traits, things you can work with and mold. Isaiah World. I think about the kinds of guys who somebody would have pounded the table for in that passion meeting this morning. Yeah. Right.

I think it like Zane Durant could be one of those guys. Yeah. Eagles are on the clock. Eagles are on the clock. Also, I really feel like Darwish could be one. Kevin Coleman,

so there's here from Missouri into the dolphins here. All right. Stay tuned. Fran has called his shot here. And that is why we are Ashley on the clock. Three hours of

and 41 minutes after the draft starts on day three. The Eagles are finally on the clock in the fifth round. Number 178. Options on the board include Garrett Nussmeier, Robert Spears Jennings, Zane Durant, Darwish,

Dalen Bentley. Hugh Darwish. Demand Claiborne. Darius Cooper. Eli Heidenreich. Eli Heidenreich would be very fun. All right. Guess a position.

Go. Quarterback. engine. DB. D.B. Spears Jennings? Maybe? Oh, you're, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry.

I was just trying to guess. Oh, oh, come on. We're going to get it out first. I'm just, I think DB. Yeah. DB. It dried, it did dry up. Yeah, there we go.

Man. Does anybody want to trade up? Does anybody want to trade up? Anybody really really? want Darwish. If it's lingers, it's probably them seeing if they can get somebody. Anybody want to try it. The dolphins took all five minutes when they just picked.

Yeah. They went where they blood the clock all the way down. They want Darwish. Who wants Darwish? Let's see if you know. They're able to trade out. I didn't wreck. They'll spend the five minutes with like how are we trying to convince meick on Harold

Perkins. Nuss, Meyer, Nuss, Nuss, Mier. Maybe they want Nuss Meyer. They can't get him on the phone because Doug wants to draft him in the sixth round and he knows if you don't answer the phone, they won't draft them. Yeah. Yeah, Doug Nesmire is like,

just stay on the phone, son. Doug's got that great, gravelly. Oh, yeah. He does have that voice. He's got a deep answer the phone. Yeah, he's got a good one. Nice guy.

I have a very good stuff. That's nice guy. The voice of a man who has done a lot of yelling in his day. If they hadn't already taken Markell Bell, Demetrius crown over would really be jumping out right now.

Yeah. Zand Durant feels like their type. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I like Zand Duran. Damon Claiborne? Your guy. Vijay Payne and Demand Claiborne. I mean, Lindsay's got a real chance here.

I didn't rake. I didn't rake. I didn't rake. Darwish. Darwish. Darwish. Bah, buhap, bu,

bu, buhap, but bupah but bupah so waiting on it. Pick is in. It's a no trade. No trade.

The egos have made their pick. And with number 178, their first pick of day three. they're selecting. Peyton? Hold on. Peyton.

Cole Payton, I'm assuming. Quarterback from NDSU. Oh, the Tebow clone. They're going quarterback, but not Gary? Col Payton, yes. Cole Payton, the lefty quarterback from North, from North Dakota State. Who throws like Tebow.

Truly, you watch him throw. And it's a Tebow clone. Quarterback is where they go. They wait and wait and wait. And wait, and wait, wait, and wait. Cole Payton, tell us about it. One year starter at the actual level. Let me reset here.

Yeah, go ahead. Let's close the book on Ashley's on the clock. And let's get into this little Vod or short what it's going to be. Here we go. And the Eagles have finally selected on day three in the fifth round 178. They take North Dakota State left-handed quarterback Cole Payton, Fran Duff. Tell us about it. Really athletic player.

You know, he's a fifth year senior, but only a one-year starter. that said, he has seen the field over the course of his entire career. There were two seasons stretch there as the backup quarterback where he got to carry in every single game. He's a big body quarterback with great athleticism that North Dakota State consistently found ways

to get on the field. Get the ball in his hands as a runner, taste some hill packages, put tush pushes, like everything under the sun to try and get the ball into his hands. And then he became the starter this year for the first time. Big body. He's going to have the, he's a lefty,

so he's not going to be for everybody. But shows some good flashes this year. I think there's a lot there to work with. It's just a small sample size of starts at a lower level of competition and a bit of a watered down FCS. Because of the transfer portal, the FCS of today is not the FCS

when Carson Wentz was coming out in 2017 or 2016. So I think when you're looking at Colpaten, you're betting on the upside here. This is very much a developmental swing. But there were a lot of people that are really high on him down at the senior ball that thought that he was maybe the best quarterback there. I thought that Nussmeyer was a little bit more consistent there,

but there's a lot to work with. It's just, you know, you're going to need some time and some patience. And if not, you've got a guy that can develop and you can do some fun things with offensively. Do you think that he has starter upside, Fran? Because usually the Eagles talk about their day three picks being players who have starter upside. So I know it seems like a long shot, but is there at least a pathway for him. I think they would count backup quarterback as a starter. Yeah, that's fair.

In this framing. Yeah, I think that's right. I think the way that, and yeah, there is something that, like he's a big kid with a good arm. It's not great. It's not like, you know, I don't want to go overboard with the traits, but he definitely, it's like, it's like you, good athleticism, good, good size, good arm. The flashes are very, very good, but there's a, there's, look, it's a small sample size of starts.

It, it's an interesting one from everything we know about, like, a quarterback profiling in, like, the analytic models, because generally speaking, you want a guy who has played a lot of football. Now, this was not the case with Tanner McKee. No. So I wonder if that is a little bit related here, but we talked about how maybe, you know, traits are not the most important thing for them at quarterback. That's what he is. I mean, six two and a half, two 32,

huge hands above the threshold here. And then tested crazily, you know, just sub-tailing green, but a 40-inch vertical vert, 130-inch broad jump, those are like, it makes him the most completely athletic quarterback of this sample. And in terms of the numbers last year, I mean a 72% completion percentage,

11.3 yards per attempt. Those are both the best in this class, except for Mendoza on the completion percentage. 21 touchdowns, six interceptions. Like you said, the context matters here that the level was watered down. But if you watch the Bryce Lance highlights, see him getting open

and Col Payton's finding him the ball. It is an odd pick for like the fourth pick of this draft if they wanted guys to be able to potentially contribute this year. but we know how much it matters to them to have filled out that quarterback room. And in theory, this allows them to maybe find a Tanner McKee trade if somebody blows you over. Yeah. And this is if Dalton has your backup.

No question. I think that, you know, you mentioned the analytic models. There was a lot of really positive metrics with him. Now, again, grain of salt with a lot of this because it's a very small sample. And so, you know, those kind of things can throw off efficiency metrics. But 282 career attempts. that is yeah it's a really that's and again i would i would be surprised if that's not the fewest of any quarterback drafted in a long time it it might be lower than or uh it might be more than trey lance

let's say then yeah it's yeah i mean that's extremely extremely low um that's that these are some of the numbers that matter from the draft guide uh he had an adjusted completion rate so that's basically like uh take the incompletions and take out like spikes throwaways and clear drops That's kind of what those, the adjusted, so kind of removing those, he had an adjusted completion rate of 77.1% last year when he was under pressure. That's the second best number for any of the 118 charted quarterbacks drafted in the last decade from their final year. Likewise, again, small sample as a passer, he had some great career long numbers as well.

He had an 11% big time throw rate in his career. That's the highest rated for any charted quarterback in the last decade. When he was kept clean in the pocket, he had an average depth of target of 12, point one yards over the course of his career. So very aggressive down the field. That's the highest of any quarterback taken in the last 10 drafts. He averaged 11.3 yards per attempt in his career. That's the most for any quarterback drafted in the last decade. So there are a lot of like explosive and efficiency metrics that paint a really positive picture. And then again, with the traits, there's a lot to like there. In the fifth round, it makes some sense. And in a draft where there

is nobody else blowing you over as like, we need to take him, the upside of a backup quarterback Yep. You can understand talking yourself into this pick. Sure. Yeah. I see, I think that you can make the argument that this is a luxury pick, but we said it as we were leading up into this pick, that there weren't a lot of players at premium positions standing out on the board at that point. I think it is reflective of the way that this draft is viewed.

And honestly, I think the way that the Eagles have approached it further affirms the fact that this isn't a draft where you're getting, you know, premier positions in day three that you feel good about. How do you feel about a lefty? I love it. I mean, I'm left-handed, so I love it. Is Teba the last lefty the Eagles have had? Yeah, has to be, right?

Right. Lefty quarterback, yeah, I think so. Can't think of anyone else, yeah. Really, Vic. Post-Vick, yep. Yeah. You think we hear some of the same stuff we heard when they drafted Jalen Hertz.

You know, this is a guy we can incorporate into like a wildcat package or the Tays of Hill Roll because that was something that was floated when they drafted it. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like they don't. Listen, we also talked about it makes sense for them to draft a quarterback

given all of the quarterback theoretical developers they have in the building. You know, you start with Mannion at the top. Somebody has said something funny to Fran. You got Grisard, not necessarily a quarterback specialist, but, you know, having a guy like Gerard Johnson, special projects for the quarterback or for the head coach,

this could be that special project to say nothing for having Andy Dalton himself. Yeah, and I guess the, the uppercise. side with a player like this is higher than if you had gotten somebody who has a lot of experience that you feel like is maybe more of a conventional dropback passer. But yeah, there's a lot of, as France said, there's a lot of work to do to develop him into that, into that type of player. Wow. Cole Payton is an eagle. It's fun. That's fine. Yeah.

Was he my high? I think I would like, I think I would like Darwish a little more, but for hiding, right? But yeah. You Darvish. Darvish, not Darwish. Not Darwish. Yeah. Okay. That's exciting. Yeah.

All right. Another guy that'll be really fun to watch in training camp. Yes. They're just stockpiling those guys. Can he beat the Thorpen level? I hope so. I mean, you better, but he was a fifth round pick too. You never know.

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If you were just joining us, you missed the fireworks. The Eagles have drafted North Dakota State left-handed quarterback, Cole Darwish and we are excited about it. What an athlete. Cole Payton. Fun.

It's a fun pick. It's a fun pick. Yeah. Fits the Eagles MO as well. Another player, another quarterback to development. Enrique Cruz. Kansas tackle goes to the San Francisco 49ers. Very athletic player.

Yeah, tested really well. Actually gave him to the Eagles in my seven round mock last week. I thought he was a guy that had the unusual traits to try and develop. up there. I'm going to do a little history lesson on quarterbacks drafted in the fifth round to sort of set

expectations. Here, pulling up true media. Give me a minute. All right, so while he's doing that, would you guess that the guys that hit in the fifth round were the traitsy guys or the non-traitzy guys?

I'm actually going to guess it's the non-traitzy guy. You know, it's probably the Tanner McKee types where it's like, eh, like, you know, he's got a ceiling because of the fact that he doesn't have a great arm he's got he's got a fine arm I don't know if I would say that he's like it's not like

yeah okay but you know what I mean it's like he's not like it's not gonna wow you when you watch a guy like Tanner McKee but he's played a lot of football it feels like those are the guys that would hit at the time of the draft yeah right now this is there are 16 guys here but I think there are more because this is only the guys who have actually played in the NFL so they were actually probably won't include Claypen Thorpen no so I'm gonna see if I can do a different search.

Okay. Because I'd like to do a little better here. You don't want to ask AI, huh? Yeah. Some of the AI for your draft. You are so lucky I'm not just throwing this water in your face. I mean, how dare you? Every team's using it.

It's just a matter of, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that's how the Niners are able to use a third round pick on a undraftable running back again. You know, no, you're behind. All right. I'm just going to read you the guys who have, who have played in the NFL. Okay. I will then look for the guys who didn't. Got it.

Starting from the bottom. Sean Clifford. Non-traity guy. Yep. Jaron Hall. He was really small, but he was pretty athletic. He was also a lefty, if memory serves. Clayton Tune.

Not a tracy guy. Undersized from Houston. Jake Fromm. Undersized quarterback from Georgia. A.J. McCarran. Okay. Pocket passer from Alabama. T.J. Yates.

coaching now. But undersized from North Carolina. Kevin's a guy. Hogan. Stanford. Good looking kingdom of me. Yeah. Pocket pattern.

He was a terrible athlete. Oh, man. I liked him. Cement blocks for feet. Not nearly in the realm of the same way that you loved. Oh. Nathan Peterman. Yeah.

Peterman. I thought Peterman had a shot. I mean, he was a fine pick in the fifth round, but not what I was. I thought he'd be a starter. Easton Stick! I like the Easton Stick as a backup. She stuck for a little bit.

Sanders. Man, he went that slate. Wow. One of the best players E.J. Smith has ever laid eyes on. The player who you will go to your grave. Maybe your last thought will be, I'm so happy that in the summer of 2025,

I got to witness the greatness of Dorian Thompson. That was really my like, welcome to the P.H.I. Eagle show moment. It's like you say like one positive thing about the guy. Oh, please. No, you were taking it all the way and get out of here. That's not true.

You were absolutely. I liked him more than Kyle McCourt. That was all. Josh Johnson. Josh Johnson. Played in the league for like three decades. Mike White. Tom McCord with the pack.

Really? Yeah. Brett Hundley. Tracey. Spencer Rattler Tracey And then the guy who played the most on this list Also a former eagle

Sam Howell Nice All right That's not terrible That's actually That's actually not a terrible Well those are all the players that play I've played

Yeah yeah Find you the guys who didn't play Right While you do that In the chat And Fran and we can discuss this as well But I want to hear from the people Who is a prospect

that you would have rather had than the Eagles going quarterback here. What was it like Harold Perkins? Because I think that's an important part of the context here. There are people out there who will be upset about the fact that they used a pick on a quarterback. I just, it felt like no matter what they were going to do here, it was going to be a luxury pick.

It was going to be a player at a non-premian position that had a tough pathway to actually becoming a contributor for them. There's a reason why they have been unable to trade down. Yep. Yeah. I don't know if this is going to be permanent. I don't know if it's just going to be kind of catching up, but the depth of this draft is not good.

And when you get to this point, there are, like, Morrow Ojamo went significantly later in the draft than where the Eagles, where we are at right now. Right? Like, Mora Ojojojoa goes in like the third round in this draft. He went the seventh, seventh, seventh, seventh, Yeah, seven there just aren't a lot of profiles, there aren't a lot of physical talents

that you can get like super, super excited about right now. But that's just the nature of, you know, like NIL, guys going back to school, not a lot of early declares, not even just like the early, people have pointed to like, oh, the early declares of the, you know, like, oh, there's not as many. And that's true. But it's also like a lot of guys that went back for their fifth year.

And, you know, guys that have taken advantage of a red shirt year. Like, you know, things like, like a lot of guys are exhausting eligibility, and it's just decimating round four, round five, round six, round seven at specific positions. Yeah,

I think the fact that the Eagles have only made four picks and only have two more to make tells you what they think of this draft class. And also the fact that they have taken players that you would call luxury picks is another reason to think that they probably are just out

on a lot of these prospects at this point in the draft. And nobody wants to trade up. Yeah. Yeah. If you wanted like Heidenreich or, I mean, Demetrius Crownover, like he, they drafted Markle Bell yesterday. To me, it's, it's like, that's too much of a redundancy, especially when you have Cameron, I mean, not to say Cameron Williams,

like, blocking in the spot, but you have a lot of developmental tackles at this point. Yeah. If, like, Crown over or Bell had some, like, guard flex, maybe, but at some point, it's just like you have too many of those guys. There are only two fifth round quarterbacks from the last 10 drafts who did not play a snap. Okay. Gordon Travis.

Well, the injury. Yep. And then this, I don't remember this guy. Clayton Thupy? All right. Clayton Thorson. Okay. Bless you.

That's it. Jane Durant off the board to Buffalo. Oh. And Zendu Treyore. Yeah. I think Zane Durant would be a fair, like, should have gone defensive tackle over quarterback. If you disagree with the Eagles' philosophy

of prioritizing the quarterback position. Yeah, not saying I do. I don't think Durant is a scheme fit. Like he's not a, like he is really small, really short arms. That's not, that's not the way that this Fangio front works. I don't think he's a Clint Hurt type. I never saw him as an Eagles fit. We start the sixth round.

Round's on the clock. The sixth round is underway. Eagles have the 16th pick in this round. Number one, seven. of the guys you listed who would you say Cole Payton compares to most most favor

I mean maybe not most favorite in terms of like outcome or style style I mean honestly Easton Stick hmm

different body type stick had played a lot of football though can see the list again most of these guys played a lot of ball yeah But maybe physical traits, you guys.

I mean, you're hoping that he's Josh Johnson. That's for sure. Yeah, you would take that. Yeah, I feel like Jaron Hall didn't have a ton of starts. Hold on. This isn't going to be just fifth round picks. All right. Boy, I mean, the Nussmeyer medical must be.

It must be the matter. So I saw, there goes Tailing Green. Tailing Green goes to Cleveland Browns. Man, like, I'm surprised they drafts the quarterback. Quarterback factor. 3, 2.0. So you have Deshawn Watson, Tailing Green, Shador, Sanders, and the other could they drafted ahead of Shador last year.

Dan McKee? No. Dylan Gabriel. Thank you. That was one of my favorite moments from the show last year. Yeah, that was good. If the Eagles are the quarterback factory, then the Browns are like the quarterback warehouse, right?

Like knockoff. They're like the storage unit. Yeah. Quarterback Shantytown. Quarterback Shanty Town. So my comp for Cole Payton, because it was a struggle to like find a guy, do you remember Tommy Stevens at Mississippi State? Yeah.

He was the Penn State transfer. Yeah. And he only started. Tested at an awesome testing. Tested really well. Run around guy, only nine starts in college. He was at Mississippi State and Penn State, so he was not a small school guy. But that was my comp for him.

That was pre-senior ball. I think he's a better prospect. But that was one guy. I mean, Davis Mills didn't have a lot of starts, but they're a different player. much bigger neck true Chavisar Chirar

Shire Shire really? Yeah S-H-A-R-A-R Shire Shire Shire

Shire Yeah good for you Maybe he'll be like in an E-C-N situation where he corrects it a few years later

Yeah, Trey Lance 17 starts but only How many attempts did you say for What was Lance Tray Lance was

288 and so it's right there Yeah it was 270 something I think something we find it. Where did I have this? I've got the least amount of attempts. Oh, but wait, this was just in the final season. I keep track of attempts in final season.

Oh, yeah, that's his career. That's his career. Yeah. Which it's not going to be too many more because he didn't throw a lot of passes before that. Peyton or Lance? Lance. Lance.

I'm saying this is Lance's career attempts, 282. 282. That's Peyton's career. Yes. Right. Career attempts. Career attempts. That is.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Been at school. Is that the way? This is, this is final. That's final season. This is final season.

And where do you have Peyton there? Do you not have been there yet? He, actually, but I have the number here though. That one stuck. Yeah, so it's gonna be,

oh, two of is that low? Because he only had the one year? Because he was saying he always hurt. Yeah. And Justin Fields. That's interesting. Oh,

no, but that's final season. I see. He had two 24 in his final. It's last season, Col Payton. So that's fourth fewest. Okay. in the last decade.

So the only three below him would be Davis Mills, Tommy Stevens, and Graham Mertz. Drafted quarterbacks in the last decade. Okay. It's an interesting player. It is a real message that you don't believe in this draft.

I thought you're about to go this message that you don't believe Jalen Hurts. What does this mean for Jalen Hurts? Should we do a joke short? What's that? I mean, you should. I think, yeah, yeah, you've got that.

You have all. Here we go. I'm like, I don't even want to be in a picture. Here we go, ready? We're going to the bathroom. The Eagles have sent a message to Jalen Hertz, drafting a quarterback in the fifth round. Cole Payton is here to put pressure on the former franchise quarterback of the Eagles.

Super Bowl quarterback MVP? Maybe not for long. Let's take it again. I'm Fran Duffy and I do not endorse by myself. Let's take it again. Here we go. Howie Roseman makes a bold declaration on Saturday of the NFL draft that maybe A.J. Brown was on to something after all.

Jalen Hertz is the problem with the Philadelphia Eagles, and that's why the Eagles have used a fifth round pick on left-handed quarterback, Cole Payton. Don't count them out starting week one for your birds. You could, you would be really good as like a rage bait online personality. You'd be so good at that. That was excellent. Best house in the city.

Oh, man. Oh, God. Got a wonder. Would the Eagles take a third for Jalen Hertz? What are going to be the other, like, soap opera angles that come off of this? Like, did he text him yet? Have you talked to Jalen Hertz?

Yeah, right. Has Jailen Hertz posted on social media since the pick. Right, right. I see people in the chat like bringing up like, oh, like, why would you take him over Nussmeyer?

It's if, again, like with medical, if the medical's not clean, if the Eagles view it is like, it's a red light, he's not even on the board. Or it's like a yellow light and he's like far down the board.

Kind of what happens. Much bigger example, like a higher profile one was the D.K. Metcalfe, J.J. Arthega, a white side. Like, it's like, they didn't pass on D.K. Metcalfe for J. I think of white side.

D.K. McKaff wasn't even like available for them to pick on their board. You picked, you passed on, um, Terry McLaren. Mm-hmm. You passed on like, you know,

some of these other guys, but you didn't pass on Mike. I mean, it's like, it's like Trace Smith getting to the sixth round. Right. Right. Right.

Yes. Tray Smith is just off people's board. Right. Everybody knows he's a, uh, a first or second round caliber player. It was a top fight. He's got heart condition.

People are going to, you know, you know, maybe they're wrong about that, but, yep. This is speculation. but do you think it

you think it's fair to say that the medical must be like even worse than it normally would have to be because of the fact that Garrett Nussmeyer has like a dad who's a coach in the NFL like do you think the relationships would have like raised the floor for him or like you know kind of made it more likely

that a team was going to go you know what like I'm not saying that they would be like well honestly you know I will because this is the NFL like they're you'd expect that there'd be a team like you know we're just going to do this for Doug you know I don't think I would do it that in that way. But

I don't think it would be like we're going to do it for Doug it would be like oh we believe yes it's that yeah which is basically just dressing it up for like we like Doug we're going to make this happen. Yeah I think it's a

it's got to be the medical Bauer Sharp Bauer Sharp came in before every jet visits to the Eagles go to the Tampa Bay bucks and Jackie Marshall to the Titans I like that fit a lot for Jackie Marshall He was a high school linebacker

moved to defensive tackle. Pure, like up, and honestly, outside of, like, Durant, Cam Ball still there. Oh, Durant's gone, that's right. Yeah, this de-tackle group was really bad. And that's probably the last, like, pure, like, upfield three technique. I'd say Cameron Ball from Arkansas might be the last one.

Skylar Gil Howard, maybe late. That's it. It was a bad group. I got a question for you guys. Okay. If Cole Payton plays one snap at fullback,

no, no, does not count as a specialist. Get the hell out of here. I feel like, now let me ask you. You're going to hurt your sense reaching that hard.

Fran, I'm going to ask you this. Bo, I don't want you to answer this question. You are not permitted to answer this question. If Bo had drafted specialists, would he argue this?

No. Correct. I have scruples. No, you don't. I'll take the camera here. Here's why you need to be paying attention to the Eagles fifth round pick Cole Payton.

Does he pave the way for the Eagles to trade Tanner McKee? That's what most people are wondering, but I'm here to tell you, what if he actually paves the way to a Jalen Hertz trade and the Eagles make Tanner McKee the starter? Heardt here first. Jalen Hertz?

On the outs. Somebody to the clip one of these. I know. That's the thing. I'm not worried about like, Lindsay doing it or Ben doing it. I'm worried about, you know, Dove Clyman doing it.

We're going to get jobs. That one was good because I didn't know where you were going for a minute there. Bobby Jameson, Travis. Those are the Giants. Yeah, the Giants have really improved. His production profile is horrific. Run stuffing nose tackle type.

But he's got some athletic trait like, you watch him like, he's got pretty light feet for a bigger guy, but there's like no substance whatsoever to the player. Sounds like a Giants type. He's the Dexter Lawrence replacement.

There you go. They got their Dexter Lawrence replacement. And they've got two picks back to back coming up too. Ketron Allen off the board to the NFC. He's going to Washington. He? Good winner he starts.

I'm going to take him in fantasy drafts this here. I'm going to take him a fancy draft this here. The draft we did earlier, who's still available? V.J. Payne and DeMond Claiborne, Lindsay's two, are still available. Robert Spears Jennings is available

as Zane Durant is gone. Eli Haydnreich and Dylan Bentley are available. Nussmeier and Darwish are still available. So I get to add one. I'm going to go... I can help you with some names. If you give me a position you're thinking of Nah, I just want to look.

Nah, I got that. Uh, uh, why would I use the all city NFL draft? Uh, uh, let's go. That's,

you think Skyler Gil Howard could be that kind of guy? He's kind, he's like a pure upfield three technique. Yeah. Yeah. He's got juice, but he, he couldn't do anything during the pre-draft process

because of medical. Okay. and the interior offensive line, it's crazy how there's nobody. I'll go, man, they took the wrong North Dakota State kid. They should have just taken Colvis Nuski. I'll go,

Chris McClellan, is he still available? No, he's gone. He's gone? He went last night. Yeah. To the Rams. Oh, that's an old. Yeah.

Right. All right, then I will take waiting with baited breath here. Oh, this is going to be a, a pick I would hate but if you're just talking traits Seth McGowan

go I'm not gonna say I'm not gonna make a joke about it it's not funny I mean I think anything's fair game at this point we're right now or what

I like Robert Henry Jr. He's a little older but yeah he's got some juice yeah I could see running back did we say

did we run him oh yeah Lindsay's got Demon Claiborne right? Yeah. Okay. I was going to say.

You're not going to pick your guy. There are a couple backs here that interest me at this part of the draft. Blayborn's got juice. He's undersized. Desmond Reed, kind of the same bucket. Jamarie Taylor from Virginia. He is not, he's not their type at all. He's like workmanlike, good vision, balance, but not dynamic whatsoever.

It's like Levy on Moss is like it does a job for you. He's like a Jordan Howard type. Yeah. You know, like high cut, short yardage. Yeah. like bangor between the tackles yeah like he's I like Levy on Moss

you had Dallin Bentley right I do yeah yeah is he is he a combo guy inline guy so he's like an interesting body type he's he's 26 yeah he's he's older because he took an LDS mission after high school he barely played

he did not play a lot of high school football took the mission then was like oh like let me give football try again went to junior college then transferred to Utah, barely played, and then this year was his first year as a starter. But productive player. It was productive this year.

He's got juice. He's like, he's like short like six three and a half roundabout, six four off memory. But he's like north of 260. He cut weight for the combine, but like playing weight like north of 260. So he's a husky kid. But he's explosive.

He's got juice, yards after catch. And he's still rough around the edges as a blocker. But at that size, like when he gets a hold of guys, He can do some damage. Okay. So I think there's something there.

I just, I'm wondering as we get into the later rounds, is there a tight end that if they drafted them, you would feel better about Eli Stowers' projection of the NFL? I don't think anybody now, no, because at the end of the day, like the limitations with Stowers are the limitations with Stowers.

So like, unless you're going to completely, like we're just going to commit to the, he and Johnny Munt, like, Stowers are, they are our, we're playing base personnel all the time. Eli Stowers could like plant you a garden, cook you meals, and you'd still spit in his face. Spitting his face.

All right, I'm going on Pitchinax. He's really leaving too. He's like, you know, screw you guys. I can see, I mean, the answer to your question is different. I can still see them going on Tideend if that's just where. Oh, sure, sure. player like gillenborg i mean i i think that a long-term blocking tight end i'm saying not even that just another another tight end oh yeah to me if you you already made your bet on a receiving

tight end like i don't think i'm not necessarily i mean he's not going to take that guy's job but you're going to carry four probably you could take grand calcutera's roster spot yeah okay but honestly like to me eli stowers takes grand calcutera's roster spot and this is a thing i went back I reread Howie Roseman's comments about the tight end thing. And he was talking about having diversity in the room, like having enough blocking options in the room so that you don't have Grant Count Katera struggling as a blocker the entire season with no recourse.

Right, but he only has one guy in the room. Which is, yeah, Johnny Munt, correct. What I'm saying is I wouldn't shock me if they added another guy in the draft. I agree with that. Then they can say, listen, we have Eli Stowers. Oh, I totally agree with that. We have Cody.

Cody Hardy because he's my favorite and I mean I'll pound the table for him here like yeah we have Cody Hardy so we know that we at least have that that club in our in our bag you know from a roster building perspective so it would change my view on the Eli Sauer's pick a little bit maybe not in like his usage and like the the complications that you have finding a role for him but at least from a roster standpoint I still think that they should add a long-term player that has that Johnny Munt capability like can be your tight end three in an ideal world yeah dealing about the I guess. Yeah.

Like McCree. I think you got drafted. I have a super chat from Anthony, E.J., who says, how will you handle Cole Payton taking Cam Latu's roster spot at the fullback? Not well, obviously. Cam Latu's going to be fine, guys. He can wear many hats. I have thought, like, how long am I keeping the Cam Latu totem on my bookshelf?

Like, I, you know, not this is going to sound like a flex. Until you die. It's going to sound like a flex, but I do, like, hits with, like, other places, you know, I'm trying to look very official, professional. I do that all the time. Good morning America's having you on. Can't let them see. Can't want to.

I've been called Timu Michael Shrayham before. So good morning, America wants to call me up. You know where to find me. I'm not hard to find. We'll know if he has any calls because he puts it in a shared calendar. Do we talk about this on the show?

Yeah. No. I mean, I don't know if it's my story to tell. For the last month, I have been putting things in my calendar and not realizing that it's a shared calendar for work. Just with me and Lindsay. You guys are all in my business.

I thought it was just one time. No, there were multiple things. I only texted the one and I texted him separately. Like, did you also mean to put this in? That's very funny. None of them were like, like, I don't do many nefarious things. I'm an open book, but some of the things were like very personal. Like, I probably wouldn't want everyone to know what I had going on that day.

A lone time. No, not that type of person. If you're really doing anything like that crazy, like would you put it in your personal calendar? Like, you have to schedule how weird stuff. Yeah, like steal a candy bar. Like, nobody's scheduling a meeting during me time. Push an old lady in the street at it. Stop steering it during like the me time.

Do you need Julius lotion? Yeah, yeah. using Julia's lotion time Listen you got a moisture I'm staring lotion or sequin Yeah I'm not putting that in the calendar Okay

Yeah so then there was one the other day It was like draft call Yeah it was just I had a call Where they wanted me to talk about the draft And I put draft call and you guys thought like I had a Well I thought I In this office Not everybody always gets put on every call

So I was like Did I not get added to a call about the draft? Yeah So I got to be better about my calendar. I mean, honestly, this, I mean, this won't surprise you guys. This might surprise the chat. It was this year, my age year 31 that I actually kept the calendar. I never cared about a calendar until right.

I'll tell you, because I don't care if I lose. If we do the app draft, I was going to take my calendar app first. I have a special calendar app that I like. That's a good one. Yeah. That's a good one. No, I just use the Apple one. Yeah.

Yeah. I just put everything in there. I can get that on my laptop if I need it. What? The calendar. The Apple one. I use the Apple one. I use the Google one.

I use Google. No, no. I don't like how that formats. You can't like, you have to, like, touch the day and then, like, move. It doesn't. I don't like it. Okay. Calendar is important.

I mean, you guys have kids. That makes it especially important. I imagine you can't live your life without a calendar. Difficult. Yeah. Berrian Brown, LSU wide receiver, speedy guy, goes to the Saints. And then Brian. Parker the second who we talked about from Duke.

We both watched him in. Did not like him, but that's okay. Congratulations to the Parker family. Yeah, no, I was... Six picks away. You want to know what I wrote down for Brian Parker. 6-4, 310 pounds, and boy, this guy's tape is really bad. Really tough.

Yeah, I think I read something. I think I just wrote like pass. Yeah. Didn't take much to speak about. Park pass. Yeah. Is Hayd and Ryan? Drake still out there?

Yeah, baby. That would be fun. I wonder if teams are wondering if, like, what, if he's allowed to come play right away or not. Hmm. Yeah, that's a great point. It could be an availability thing. Hmm.

Because you know what they say. The best ability is. Availability. Predictability. You think so? No. I mean, you know what? The best ability is accountability.

Yeah. Listen, man. What if you never do anything wrong? exactly perfectability perfectability now you're just stretching it accountability I think is gullability

I am gullable I really struggle with people with dry humor I don't feel like you have dry humor do you think you have dry humor now I'm wondering I struggle with people with dry humor though because I just I believe I think I assume the best of all people

So if you're joking and you say it seriously, I don't pick up on it. I assume that you're telling me the truth. J.C. Davis, Illinois tackle, I'll go to the Giants. Good luck to anybody drafting tackles is late. Five picks away. Ply.

Maybe we should do an ability draft. That would be fun. I got a couple abilities that are coming. No, don't make this weird. You're giving me the weird. I got a couple abilities that I think are important. Okay. But I can't give them to you now.

X-ray vision? No. That's not it. It's also not really an ability. It's a superpower. It's a different thing. X-ray vision. Teleportation?

No. It's one of your abilities. Dependability. Kind of similar to accountability. It's important. Kind of more similar to predictability. Predictability is like a worse version of dependability. I think dependability is better than predictability.

Yeah. Like being predictability. I mean, consistency is important, but I'd wrap. No ability. What's that? There's no ability there. Yeah. But I mean, dependability is consistent.

Yeah. But dependability is like, I'm going to be there 20 minutes before your plane lands to make sure I get you at the airport. How about affordability? Hmm. Well, I disagree with that. No, it's not enough for a human being. I don't want anybody in this room to be affordable.

How about adaptability? That's a big one. So we've got five picks to go. We've got a thousand people watching right now. Hit the like button. Hit the like button. We appreciate all you here.

I'm going to guess there's like 60 people who play football manager, and they know adaptability is everything in that game. If you've got low adaptability, you're going to be inconsistent. You're going to be struggling when you try. transfer a player in. You sign a coach. They're looking at low adaptability.

No good. I agree. Adaptability is important. Flexibility. Depends on what job you have. I don't think you need. You need to be flexible. Depends on more. I'm surprised I didn't get a laugh at Lindsay.

I thought of that before and I just didn't say it. Sustainability. Eligibility. Eligibility. Eligibility is good. Important. Who do you think it's going to be? And who do you want it to be?

I feel. like Darwish is sticking out like a sore thumb on that board. There's going to be a tear A tear break after Darwish. Who do I think it's going to be? I could see, I could see Claiborne. I think that would be fun. Yeah.

I could see Spears Jennings. At some point his crown over is just like, good enough player. Maybe. Doesn't matter. I don't know. He's old. Yeah.

That stance, man. Oh, Josh Cameron went. the Baylor Wider's I actually didn't mind him Oh Vijay Payne Olivia's guy Or sorry Yeah Lindsay's guy

I like Spears Jennings Spears Jennings Michael Trigg He's still out there Yeah Maybe he'll trade it Or A Keeley Ringo somewhere else

Someone else is I don't have a better No no no Do you think they go defense For the first time in the draft Kind of but I don't know VJ Payne if you're going defense Vijay Payne I like Spears Jennings more than VJ Payne

Maybe there's a defensive tackle I mean Harold Perkins is still on the board too Yeah I'd like that You like that I don't actually I didn't like that when all that stuff was going on with Kirk Couss Wasn't a fan Generally not a fan of people berating journalists

Oh you didn't like when he was like We're in the chain No Yeah that was incredibly racist. It wasn't racist. Jack Kelly, the BYU linebacker.

It's like, like, I don't know. We don't need to get into this on the show. I didn't like it though. Didn't like, I don't like the chain stuff

that much. How about this one? Hmm? You say it. Shuckability? That made me laugh. That made you laugh. But I want to say

it. He sounded like I said, Kirstner. In the chat. Notability What's there, Fran? Are you going to break this one too? Are you going to make that declaration?

How about UR. Bernard? Are we in UR. Bernard range yet? Who are you? It's basically like, I mean, I think he is like a very fun story and I think it would be very fun if the Eagles ended up with him. But it would be funny if they took him at this point, like a player that doesn't count against the roster is the best case scenario for us right here.

know if they use a draft pick on him if he then counts against the 90 what you're saying if they use a draft pick he counts on the 90 I'm get I don't know no I think it's probably still international player pathway I mean I'm not certain about I don't know yeah we have officially reached a point where I think everybody's sick of me what's your has made me walk off the set 10 minutes ago no you what do you what do you think is your favorite ability I think your your your seat has done a little bit or the record friend I felt like that midway through night one that's the pushover millennial in me uh sorry what was the question favorite ability my favorite ability mm-hmm most important ability for me or the

what is the most important ability overall i missed the clear conversation overall i feel like we've been talking about anybody like what about like yeah he's trying to figure out who the eagles are picking it we're asking him this um reliability I said dependability. Yeah. Yeah. I said accountability as my number one though. Oh. Good one, right?

Yeah. A good one. I'd rather you be reliable than it accountable. Yeah, I could see that. Also depends on, like, what you're talking about. Sure. What your relationship is with this person in question. The Rose Bowl MVP off the board.

Pat Coogan. Pat Coogan. Kat Pugin. Made the name draft at first spoonerism. One of the best spoonerisms. Jack Kelly going to BYU, another kind of like a blitzing linebacker type. I guess you're going to be back up to Arvel Reese. They took J.C. Davis as well.

Big brawling offensive tackle from Illinois. The Raiders take Malik Benson, speed receiver from Oregon. I'm going to read you the top 22 spoonerisms in the draft. And I'll do them as the spoonerism. Oh, good. Not the name. Sage Gummers. Bam

Senjamin Mam Killer Hunter Heck I have a quick question Yeah Do you do it for every player In my mind, yes I mean I try to speed through it

Yeah yeah wow Man You know when it arrives up till 4 in the morning Frockbox Was it a one day Exercise The night before night before night Yeah was it a one day exercise

How long did it take? I took me a few nights of just going through all the names. Right. I put all those names in the Node app and the text edit. And then I go through that. There were more names on the cutting room floor

in this draft than I've ever had before. Hmm. I mean, some of the names that didn't make it. That didn't make it, yeah. Robert Schick. Alex Walshleger. Whoa. Paul Rubelt.

Cam Dewberry, Fenton Brose, Joseph Habanowski Greg Nunnery Aden Dauterman Junkuis Hardaway Ty Miles Demante K-Part talked about him

Adonix Adonis Frilew Fuchs Lewis Mahim McCargo Wylan Harich Chester Fierin Prince Green the 3rd I mean it's

it's unbelievable Ralph Rucker the 4th Darius Lorphus and Falagi Johnny Pascuzi Eagles are on the clock by the way Eagles are on the clock Just let him go

I was gonna say you got carried away I'll get back to the spoonerisms Damn Cooberry Wai Talker Hey Jardy Jason Moans Yeah he does I'm surprised you did not

There are gonna be people who tuned in Brent Tattle On the clock and they're like Ham Sabbard Cat Pugin Take Jim Take my wife please

Men ban trade eagles trading mm to LA rating Horry call puke let it bone ooh what the name Rami titan house hand dicks a sixth and two sevenths let's go we got more picks to sevens let's go now we're talking Lynn fappin dick knockins Lindsay's beside herself

I think Lindsay's crying and finally number one Karen jump how did that one make the cutting room floor that was number one no no that was the actual

oh okay okay I thought we were still doing cutting group floor half of the room brought to tears Karen all right trade back

two seven two sevens I'm not sure how far back. L.A. was, let's say. L.A.'s picks here. They had 251 and 252. Yep, so they're at 207 now. Eagles are a 207. Oh, they only move back 10 picks. 10 picks, and they picked up to sevens. Let's go. Right in that, right in that Eli Hyden, right range.

Dreams alive. I haven't seen Lindsay a laugh like that. That was good. I mean, the volume was impressive there. just had names for days. What do you think? Good trade. Great trade. I wonder who they're going to take. Another 10 picks away.

10 pixels away. 10 picks away and you got two more sevens? That's great. Yeah. Yep. It's great trade. I mean, if the Eagles were in the ramp spot, I would also say a good trade because I think in this draft,

I think it does make sense, yes, but I think the Eagles need some volume here. Yeah. Way to go, how wow. That's your howie-wawi. Why not? Was that you like making fun of like the draft room? Like how they all clap or everything?

No. Me just losing my mind. So Johnny Venerables with P.H.N.X. Is in the EJ camp of like the draft is too long? When is the thing over? I don't like that I've been passed. You cast yourself as this. No, I just like one like glancing comment.

And now I've been branded as like, you hate the draft. You want to just go home. I mean guy has to work one weekend day the entire off season you shouldn't question how hard I work

so yeah so I was like he's like oh I'll say I guess we'll talk to you in a little bit and I was like Johnny like come on be excited he was like get him off the screen get him off the screen

they kicked I was like well all right I guess I'm going back on you should hear the media house like the contrast because like what I said if I said that in the media house everyone like that's like the most tepid draft taking I know yeah The like a lot of reporters hate the draft.

They hate the like uncertainty of it all. So I think on that, as far as on the spectrum, I'm very pro draft. I love. Oh, please. I love the NFL draft. I should say. Don't. Don't say just because you are in the crankiest house in the world.

But usually I'm not succumbing to the group think where there's, oh my God, it's all unknowns. Nobody knows anything. Why would you, why would you enjoy this? This is all stupid. Nobody's right. I hate that. I hate that. It's very nihilistic.

It's very... Extremely. Yeah. Very... I know it's a very common belief. Sinical way to look at the... I think it's fun. You know, the romanticism of it is fun to me.

Lynn Fappen. In public, Lynn? I guess we're in overtime, right? I mean, we've been in overtime for a while. Three deep and a half hours deep into overtime. It's like the sign that we don't have one of these, but today is someone's first day watching PHOI. They tune in and it's Lynn.

happen. Lindsay, creepiest co-worker in the draft. Number two, Nate Glamps. Number one, Landin Ogles.

Oh my God. There's no like Tom, like peepin, Tom. Tom peepin. Tom be peepin. Women be shopping, Tom be peepin. This middle name's Bobby,

like Tom be peepin. Tom, baby. We lost Fran. I finally got him. Just watching four people lose their minds. Busiest Friday night. Number three, Billy Pullen.

To meet his crown over goes 196 overall to the Patriots. That's a guy. That's a, because he gets to learn from Morgan Moses. He can actually play tackle. Yeah, well, he can learn from Morgan Moses, and that's like a really good comp for him. That's a,

that's a good landing spot for him. Is he as opposite Will Campbell as you possibly can be? He's up there. Yeah. He's up there. Number two, Maximus Pully. Oof. Number one, Joseph Manjack the fourth.

Oh man. You will love that. So the Rams traded up. It's like, It's just fitting out of water. We lost Lindsay. Oh, gosh. Do you want to hear who the Rams traded up for?

Yes. You'll like this a lot. Oh, is he 25 years old? Sure is. So it's C.J. Daniels, the wide receiver from Miami. Yeah. So he began his career at Liberty, played there for four seasons, then went to LSU in 2024, then played at Miami this past year.

So six-year senior. He's had like this heel foot injury. He's a good player. But he kept him to, he played in just four games in 2022. and in last season, sorry I've ever heard this before. Brian Kelly talked about his foot injury a lot during the season and it was like,

yeah, he can't practice. He was like, he's like gutted through the year. You know, did not miss a lot of time. He played through the injury the entire season and missed a couple more games last year in 2025

in what the school called a lower leg injury. So this is a foot injury that has lasted for four years. He's a bigger receiver. He's a big, big receiver. He's a good blocker. He's like he's like he's a good player. Not a dynamic athlete, but like big physical receiver.

He fits them. But it's very funny that they traded up to go get him. Get an injury. Yeah. Oh, Damon Claiborne. Vikings. Yeah. When is the Colpaden presser?

Soon. That's what they said. Do you have another place you got to go or you're here for now? I am. I'm here. Yeah, I feel like you could go for Colpaden if you yeah go for it. Yeah, because I have some good insight on there's no also. I'll say so second now in Eagles.

All right back. Emmanuel Henderson Jr. Wide receiver from Kansas, yeah. He had some buzz. This is around the time when people thought he could go off the board. And I can't believe they traded up for St. J. Daniels. It's like I liked the player, but that's a tough. That's a tough.

That's a tough bet. Okay. Have they announced officially the terms of the deal yet? I got to think it's out there, let's say. Hold on. It should be in ESPN here, right? Pick 197 for 207, 251, and 252. Okay.

They moved down 10 spots and picked up 251. Which are the, oh, we're going to be here, baby. How late is it? Be here till the end. Those are the 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6th, and 7th to last picks of the same. Nice. Kiss how we all. on the mouth.

Yeah. They might, I bet they, I think there's a chance they use both to move up again in the seventh. I think so. They haven't had made,

they don't usually pick at the very end of the seventh round. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they haven't made a lot of picks. I could see them doing that though. If there's a guy that they feel,

uh, yeah, when's the last time they made a pick that late in the seventh round? Because a, Moro was like, uh, he was like early seventh. Mm-hmm.

Because I remember the draft was still going on. I was with the Eagles of the time and we were getting, it was our, that was our last Eagles. draft, like Eagles draft show. The old draft show. Yeah. And we only went live after Hicks and like Ardo. It was like at the end of

at the end of the seventh round we went live. And I remember I was like, oh like the draft still going on. Like what if they trade up? And then they drafted Ojima when I was on the desk getting ready to go. Yeah, but that was early. It was early. Yeah, I don't I can't remember the light. The last time they had somebody this late. Claiborne

Henderson. There goes DJ Campbell. He was the only like interior offensive linemen. And I was like, oh, like, he kind of seems to me as an Eagles type. Maybe Mike Amar is from Georgia, maybe. But the kid, they took from Michigan a couple years ago. Yeah, he was like that. Yeah. Too a name is bouncing in my head.

His name is gone from my head. Trevor Keegan. Trevor Keegan, thank you. Yeah, similar type of body type profile. Yep. Claybourne, Minnesota's fun. Tobon Claiborne. I think so.

Yeah, that's a good landing spot for him. Space player. You know, they move on from Aaron Jones. They need a guy that, you know, kind of a satellite back like that. A couple names, I'm surprised, are still out there. Dionne Burks sticks out. Me too. You would have thought speed knows.

That sticks out. And he's like tough, special teamer. Yeah. That one sticks out as a surprise for me. I wonder if there's something there like medical because he was he missed a lot of time last year in 2024 I would imagine

Logan Taylor maybe comes off the board pretty soon you know Isaiah World I think we're in Isaiah World territory Diego Pounds the left tackle from Ole Miss I think this is around the time where I expect to hear his name made the full sentence of all-stars that's a I mean that's an all-timer I would think great one

how do you feel about Eric Rivers the Georgia Techwriters yeah I like Eric Rivers he's really small, but he's, he's got juice. He's got juice. All right, there's another one. This was an Eagles, an Eagles potential one. Damani Jackson from Alabama Corner. Big time track athlete in high school.

He put up like crazy numbers, but he's been hurt a lot. And the film was bad from a speed standpoint because this is like a big time track athlete. And he ended up running well in the 40. But man, I had like major reservations off the tape and he got benched this year. So it wasn't a great. end of his career there with Alabama. Lake McCree, Gilling-Luhrig, Anthony Lucas, your boy.

Oh, man, it's going to be disappointing if you win on Anthony Lucas. Oh, that would be awesome. Oh, man, that's like prime territory for him, too. Oh, that would be awesome. Another one that's interesting. Like, I'm not totally surprised by it, but this is a name that stands out.

Tyreeks Sapp. E-A-K, right? Yes. defensive lineman from Florida played some defensive end could kick inside he was in first round mocks last year I actually watched him and Caleb Banks

at the same time and it was like not even I was like Caleb Banks is a top 30 player and this guy is a day three player but he's a fine player okay do you think that the relative lack of depth in the class

would make you more willing to do a little UR Bernard Yeah, I mean, depending on the, like how, you know, I have no intel on, on Bernard in terms of, you know, how committed is he to like trying to realize this potential. But yeah, honestly, my guess is he's going to get taken. Mm-hmm. My guess is he's going to take him. And I actually, honestly, I think that the Eagles having the marketing rights, not in, not in the same country, but in Africa. Yes.

I could see Jeffrey Larry putting a little bit of a, yeah, take that guy. Thumb on the scale a little bit. Yeah, maybe. Hmm. Could see that. Now what you know, guys, still available. Isaiah World.

Anthony Lucas. And I think that's it. So can Lucas win it for me? Yeah. Really? Lucas would win it. Come on, baby. Go.

Man, that would be amazing because I literally, like, I stumbled across that the day before we did that draft. Yeah. That'd be a fun one. BLG did to get on the board with quarterback and duck, duck, juice.

Okay, but what's that looking like? He's running away with that. I just said, Logan Taylor, I said, I expected you to come off the board. Came off the board just now. Chargers.

Versatile, like, tackle guard, uh, tackle guard flexibility. I thought he had a really rough senior bowl. He's a Canadian, began his career at Virginia, transferred up to BC to get a little closer to home.

Um, Yeah, solid, but I thought kind of this area, it would be flexible though, flexible, you know, guard tackle flex player. Okay. Eagles are closing in here. Yeah, we're getting close. Let's take a quick little break here to reset and get ready for the Eagles to be on the clock in just a few minutes. Eagles on the hunt for the perfect player to fit their needs this weekend. You can be on the hunt to find the perfect vehicle that fits your needs.

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it bothered me that i said swag because it's not swag true merch merch yeah sorry yeah you know what you live to fight it not live to read another ad not my best Yep. That's okay. CJ Williams, Stanford wide receiver off the board. Four picks to go for the Eagles. Texans, lions,

Chargers, Eagles. Darwish. Still there for you. Still there for you. Nussmeyer, Darwish, Heidenreich, Bentley, Spears Jennings, Seth McGowan,

VJ Payne. Lindsay, you get to draft somebody else. Good question. I think you should pick. Give her like three choices. Yep. All right.

Let's go, um, hmm. Let's go T.J. Hall, the defensive back from Iowa. Let's go with safety Deshawn Singleton from Nebraska. And let's go.

Tyreek Sapp, defensive lineman from Florida. That one. Tyreek sap. Tyreek sap. You got a big old sap. we're losing lindsay big old

Warren's son no Ricky's son I don't believe so no he's Florida I've been to a Florida Gators game so there you go me too

I have to one upper it's a cool place to see a game could you see who would they play I don't know Boston Collins receiver Louis Bond Mr. Lindsay going to Alabama

Alabama game this fall. In October, yeah. Talks about that. Do they know where they're playing? Did he say? I don't think he said, right? 10th. It was the best.

I mean, Alabama prospect. They're buying Georgia. Oh, Alabama, Georgia. Alabama, Georgia. That's a fun one. There was a lot of high hopes for the, they have a rising junior receiver, Ryan Williams,

who was like on the cover of Madden, or on the cover of VA sports. but he had a lot of bad drops this past year. So we'll see if he like rises to that level or not. Had a great freshman year though. Yeah, yeah, it was awesome. Who's there? They got a lineback.

They got a quarterback or they have a guy coming. No, they've got guys coming up. And apparently it's like a competition right now. I was just listening to a podcast yesterday during the day. It's arranged. I know. That the one kid was pulling ahead. That's probably the biggest name, I would say, in terms of next year.

I like someday he might develop into Tyreek syrup. That's good. That's our good one. Remember when Ricky Sapp just left training camp? Yeah. That was, MIA. That was our first,

that was our first? That was our first one. That was 2011, Dream Team year. Nine. Is that the same year? I think, when Sap did it?

Or was Sap the year before. No, Dream Team was 11 for sure. Okay. But was Sapp that year. Oh, there goes Skylar Gil Howard. I think Ricky Sapp was just find out. If you wanted 10, Ricky Sapp. 20, okay.

I missed that one. I do remember it happening. Remember he was a big family guy fan. I don't remember why I remember that. Hmm. I watched that show for the first time in a long time. Like, it was like a few weeks ago. I was like on TV and I was like up late working and I'm like, oh, let me throw this on.

It does. It is funny. That can usually draw a new episode. still do it. No, it was just like I hadn't watched it in forever. And so like, reruns were on and I was like, oh, let me throw this on. Okay. Yeah. You can get me.

I'm going to get, I'm going to. Wait, Lindsay, what happened with Megan the Stallion? Do we know what, is it, what's going on here? Oh, no. What? Is there something going on on the internet? Yeah. Can Clay Thompson cheat on her or something?

Is that what happened? No. Clay. Something, something smells. You can't be doing that. Wait. I didn't know she was with Clay Thompson. Let us know in the chat.

going on here? Did Clay Thompson fumble the bag? Wait, isn't he the one that... Oh no. I was thinking Tristan Thompson. What'd he do? Yeah. Breaks up with Clay Thompson accuses him

him cheating. Clay, man. What are we doing? Trust, fidelity, and respect are non-negotiable for me in a relationship. Cheating had me around... Fidelity. Oh, no, that's not a...

Ability. That's a terrible job. Terrible job by Clay. Yikes. Jaguars took the Stanford wide receiver, C.J. Williams, and Arefusson tweeted out number 678 on the consensus board. We're cutting close here. Two picks to go.

Yeah. Are you calling your shot here again? I'm waiting on my guy. Okay. Waiting with bated breath. Right. Thank. Two picks left.

Chargers. They just took an offensive lineman. What could the chargers be doing? What are they up to? Those wily chargers. Philadelphia native as their general manager, Joe Hortiz. That's right. Yeah.

Moved to Delaware later, but born in Philly. You can like, when you hear him talk, like he's, he hasn't lost like that Philly. Dayquan, I mean, Darwish. I want Robert Spears Jennings. Why? Great athlete. Yeah, so you're right. Well, yeah.

He's a, he's a fun play, like, just like. Walk out. He's first off the bus guy. Like that's like he's a good looking safety. Like he's big. He's long. And this explosive. Yeah.

But that probably takes you out of the, uh, Cole Wisniewski undrafted free agency race. Lion doesn't have to. Oh. It's true. All right. Eagles are on the clock.

Ashley's on the clock. Oregon took, uh, Alex Harky. The Chargers look, uh, Oregon offensive line and Alex Harky. Yeah. All right.

He was a right tackle who was a interior offensive. lineman. Eagles on the clock. Who do you want to see? Dionne Burks. Had another guy. Why not? Dionne Burks, speed receiver, special teams. Had some like injury and off-field top. I mean, who do we want? We want Hydenreich. That's what we want. That would be the, that would get the biggest star. That would be the biggest celebration in the studio would be if they took back. No got to be. If we could get hiding right here. That would be, that would be great. He's a, he's a really fun player.

I don't know that they would take him. I think he would probably leave the team in receiving. He did have like an elite Elite three cone Yes like the testing was There were some elite numbers that Devante too if you check party In reality if they took another receiver Well it's just

It's six round that guy's not a guarantee to make it Yeah I was going to say like the you know Numbers there's But Bentley They're running back I wish they could have done one earlier But here we go here we go EJ you're just in time

the Eagles are on the clock. Um, bum, bum, bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum Thoughts. Pick is in. The pick is in.

They're sticking and picking. Yeah. What do we think it is? Darwish. Dependability. Dependable. The pick is in. And with pick number 207.

Give me a long snap. In the sixth round, the Eagles are not. drafting. Micah Morris, the guard from Georgia. I called it. I said that's the only guy left

that I thought would be an Eagles type. Micah Morris from Georgia is the pick. Let's close the book on Ashley's on the clock. Let's reset here and get a little clip. Pick number 207 in the sixth round. The Eagles make their second pick of day three. Georgia guard, Micah Morris.

Fran, tell us about him. Yeah, I got a chance to see this guy live up close and personal at the Shrine Bowl. and I thought he was one of the best players down there at Frisco. Big interior offensive lineman. 6.5 and a quarter, 344 pounds, 33.5 inch arms, 83 inch wingspan. So this is a big, strong, powerful human being. Tested really well for that size, by the way, too.

Like at 344 to go 509 in the 40-yard dash, 173 in the 10-yard split is a phenomenal number. Then he jumps 112 inches in the broad and 29.5 inch in the vert. Those are like rare, unique, number. for a guy that big. And when you see him on film, like, this is a guy that does not get moved off his spot. He's got a really strong anchor. He's got explosiveness for a big man that does show up on film.

He's a little bit tight in his lower half, but looks the part. This is a big glutes, big bubble here. This is a good looking kid. Had games as a senior where he was kind of platooned, a little bit of a rotation there on the offensive line. I think that there's a lot that he's got to work on from a technique standpoint. If you go into the draft guide and you've got it broken up in all the categories,

all the physical traits, there's like a season amount of blue in there. And then you get into like past game and run game. And it's a lot of red. Yeah. So he's got a lot to work on. That's why he's available here at this point. But he absolutely fits from a like unusual physical specimen type. That was why when we talked about it earlier today, like,

all right, who's the interior alignment? I said, Michael Morris would be the guy that I would put in that spot. Only 19 starts. Yes. Fewer than 1,700 snaps played in his career. But honestly, like even looking at the efficiency metrics, like pressure, rates and sack rate and all that stuff, all pretty good. So this is a guy that you're going to try and mold.

Big powerful guy with some explosive traits. It's a developmental pick. E.J., what do you think? I think it's the type of pick the Eagles, again, are used to making, but there is that added question now. Can Chris Cooper develop a player like this? Because the physical tools are there. The technique is where he's going to have to improve.

But, no, I think it is the type of pick that you'd expect the Eagles to make, especially because we did expect them to address interior offensive lines. some point in the draft. Michael Morris. Welcome to Philadelphia. He joins Chris Cooper in the offensive line room. Yay!

Now is it Michael Morris or Mike Amores? Michael Morris. Okay. Amorous? That's a fun. Big guy? Honestly, you know who comes to mind? Big Garna.

I like it. I like it. Jonathan Gannon. You know who comes to mind to me with this pick? Brandon Washington. Oh, yeah, that's pretty good. That's really good. Yeah, out of Miami, 2012.

Six round pick for them. Yeah, 2012. Was it 2012? Or was he 2011? Or was he 2013? Who know? Who could tell? There's no way for us to find that out.

While you look it up, a note from the draft guide, Micah Morris had a 5.0 GPA in high school? 2012. Is that on a scale? a five or is he above the four? Not sure. Okay. Brandon Washington coaching.

Offensive line coach at Pithoon Cookman. Oh, nice. I got that from somewhere. No, I'm not questioning. Yeah, that I'm saying, like, I have no idea. I don't remember now. I got to be probably who's getting extra credit. Four-star recruit out of Camden County.

High school. So, makes sense. I mean, again, it checks a lot of the boxes that the Eagles like to check. Mamma, ma'amma, ma'amma, ma'amma, Maika Morris. Something? Maybe. He had a 5.025 in high school due to weighted advanced placement, okay, AP classes, and dual enrollment classes.

So he's probably taking classes in other school at the same time. That's very impressive. It's a little moro jo-o vibes there, maybe? Like, just very. All smart people are the same. Yeah, they're a monolith. All 330 pounds, smartness. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, listen, the reason that I think you, outlined it well. Great tools, not a technician. Yep. Not ideal that he played five years and wasn't a starter until his final year.

Yep. I'm looking to see, I think I've got some quotes in the draft guide. Let's see if I've got some stuff here. Yeah. Let me make sure I've got stuff. Okay.

All right, so these are all quotes that are in the draft guide. By the way, you can go, if you're diehard, you can go into the draft guide, look at these types of quotes for every single Eagles prospect. So,

or every single Eagles draft pick, I should say. This is from Kirby Smart last September. Okay, so he just started, he just began as a starter. He's asked like, oh, like, what is, you know, what does Micah bring into the table? This is from Kirby Smart. He's a good puller. He's powerful.

He's done it a lot from a, he's done a lot from a conditioning standpoint. He was a guy that played 95 snaps. I'm really proud of him for that. I'd like for him to play with more effort and cover down with, and covered down with more strain for longer, like some of the other down, other, some of our other line men have been able to do. So I always read between the lines on stuff like that. Like, all right, what does he want to see from this player?

He's done a great job of getting his weight down. He's been a rock for us and understands leverage and protections. He's experienced. I put this in blue. The biggest thing that he can do is to help these younger guys grow and get better with how he works, his work ethic, what kind of example he sets for them, and what kind of attitude he has with daily work. He went to, he wants to improve these young guys.

And that's as big a, that's, that's, that's a, that's, that's, as big of an that's a big ask for of micah for us sorry the blue font is making it hard for me to read um micah this is from uh the georgia tight end lost and lucky maca doesn't realize how much of a leader he is sometimes but uh but his word has so much pull uh he's earned that through the amount of years that he's been in that he's been here and that the hard work he's put into the program uh this is from gunner stockton the quarterback and this was in october he'll do anything for you uh he'll hold he'll fight and claw for every inch.

So it means the world for this team for him to push through because he was battling through injury. Drew Bobo, the starting center and also the offense coordinator's son. I think he's done a really good job teaching us and pulling us along. He's kind of showing the younger guys the ways to do it. That was in October. So a month after Kirby Smart mentioned the impact on younger players. So my read, this is, actually, I would have put it in there.

I don't have any, I didn't have any conversations with scouts about Michael Morris. My read on those public quotes, publicly available quotes, is that this is a player that is a great kid, that, you know, they, like the weight had been an issue, but did all the right things, was able to get himself conditioning. People questioned, like, you know, coach, like publicly questioning the toughness.

Hey, we wanted to sustain and strain those blocks longer. But, like, a kid with, obviously, with the physical traits, the physical tools, there's definitely something there to try and develop. That's something that the Eagles seem to have been, have been become, they've started targeting a lot more in recent years. Like the players with high level physical traits and then the thing you'll hear of them say constantly is, is whatever their ceiling is, they're going to hit it because of the person, you know,

because of the character. So I think it tracks for that reason as well. It kind of reminds me of the Michigan kids last year, tackle. Miles Hinton. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like personality, like, like, personality wise, like it kind of reminds me of that story.

Yeah. I think that's fair. Michael Morris. welcome to Philadelphia. You do have to wonder what this means for Jalen Hurts, though. You want to do another one? Maybe do a short on that? Yeah, let me think about it.

In the sixth round, the Eagles draft Georgia offensive lineman, Micah Morris, and you have to wonder how this plays into the internal civil war going on in the Eagles locker room. You got the Georgia guys against the Alabama guys, and this is now another warrior on the side of the Georgia guys. Maybe Alabama will be cast off. Jailen Hertz likely to be traded. You heard of here first. Not my best.

Internal divide on Jalen Hertz between the Georgia and Alabama guys. You had very little to work with. I was like, oh, that was not my best. I was about the fact that the horn beeped outside right before you started. That just sent me. I don't know why that made me laugh.

Check out Micah Morris's Wikipedia page. Always very fun to see an incredibly pixelated photo of the person. I wonder who took that one. I can think of someone who takes a very, very blurry photos from afar. Micah Morris. I'm trying to think about this.

Okay. Is there a path for the selection of Michael Morris in the sixth round leading to the departure of Jalen Hertz? Stay with me here. If Michael Morris can become a starting caliber guard, what the Eagles can do is they can move Tyler Steen to tackle. Jordan Milata kicks outside to tight end. You take advantage of that

explosive open field speed we saw as a rugby player, and then you move second round pick Eli Stowers to quarterback and get rid of Jalen Hertz. Galaxy Brain Howie has done it again. You should create like an alternate account with God help that account. That one was better. That was great. My dad chimes in about advanced placement credit courses weighted classes. Okay. He hasn't texted me about anything from the last two days, but now I know that he's been watching. That's so funny. Didn't even want to chime in about the pasta visual

earlier in the show, but he needed me needed me to know about this as a man who worked in education. Thanks, Dad. Pretty good. Appreciate that. Matt Goldman. That does not sound like a football player. Who? Matt Goldman. Michigan State. Yep. It was a combine guy.

Some people were really high on him. A little surprising he was still there because there were people that had pretty high grades on him. And then Terry O Thompson, the Washington, D. tackle off the board. If you are, like buzz on him. If you're really just tuning in,

you got the draft class so far of Mackay Lemon, Eli Stowers, Markell Bell, Cole Payton, Michael Morris, and Jonathan Granart. Yeah.

And Don Tavia and Wicks. Well, yeah, I got to get that. You got to add him in there. I got some notes from Cole Payton's press conference. Oh, yeah, let's hear it. All right. So, he says he, got to know Carson Wentz just a little bit.

Like they're not close or anything like that, but they worked out last summer. Do you think he's, was he defensive about that? No, I think he just didn't want to overstate his relationship with Carson Wentz. He said they're both rep by Chase Callahan, actually, so that they've worked out together.

That guy's got a monopoly on the bison. Yeah, the NDSU guys. Yeah. Yeah. I would say that. Yeah. Sorry. My brain went somewhere else.

He noted the importance of playing in a pro-style system at NDSU is something that he thinks will help ease his transition into the NFL. Big fan of Jalen Hertz. I'm like alternate bow over there today. I don't think Carson Wentz. Fair. Well, both. Jalen Hertz is a winner, a competitor, definitely a guy I look up to, so I'm excited to pick his brain,

learn from him and the rest of the guys in the room. Also noteworthy. He said he's open to any role that they offer him. Any opportunity gets to play on the field. So like the Taysom Hill role, something that he's open to, which I think, of course he's going to say that. also, you know, important thing to take note of. Go ahead.

You think the same thing I'm thinking? The push push, QB run, QB run element. Okay. If you're taking that out, if like Jalen doesn't want to do that stuff, and you still want to do that stuff. There's Dwayne Jalen's coming off the field.

It's like the inverse of what happened with, that he is willing to come off the field. Especially for the touch push. I mean, no way. Yeah. I'd be surprised. I was thinking, I feel like,

I feel like having been through the experience, my only piece of advice for Col Payton as he comes to Philadelphia is don't buy a huge bed. He doesn't know what you're talking about. I don't get it. I'm sorry. Normal king is going to be fine. You don't need the ocean-sized bed.

Short-term fun, long-term loss. Should I know this? I'll talk about it later. Okay. First punters off the board, DJ. Oh, man. It's going to start a run.

is it offensive to you that I don't have specialists in the draft guide no no okay I think more of you for it I've wondered if I should like I'm thinking like maybe next year I do it um would you like actually watch tape on them and no I think I would actually just do numbers like I would just do number because that's the thing is that I don't have I don't have like the buildup of it I used to do it I stopped doing kickers and punters yeah I mean there's too many other guys 2015 yeah that's the thing it's like I probably just take a day and just do the whole class. It's a different thing. You know, Dane having them.

Right. It's a different thing. Yeah. Dane is, it's like an encyclopedia of the people in the draft. Right. Whereas yours is the showing your work of all the guys that you have personally evaluated. I think it's a different thing. Yeah.

And I don't think, I don't think that you should waste your time on doing specialists. Yeah. We'll say. Not to say it's wasting. Yeah, we'll say. That's one of the things I've been pondering. Add another dish in the juggle, the red panda juggle. Another recipe on the menu.

Another shrimp on the bobby. Well, nobody's claim about that. Another ingredient of the broccoli cheddar soup. Should we do the app? My wife is making soup for dinner now. Nice. How many picks away are we from the Eagles pick? A long way.

Eagles pick. 40. 40 away? Yeah. I think we should do the app draft. Either the app draft or the ability draft. Let's do the app draft. I don't want to do an ability draft.

Now what apps? Can we just choose an app? Appetizers or applications? Which one are we doing? I think appetizers is more. I kind of like applications. What if we just did one of each? Or like both.

Two of each? Yeah. You got to fill your roster with two of each? I like that. Okay. So we can go in any order? A little game for it. Two phone apps and then two appetizers.

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I'll go fourth. Fourth. Because I haven't thought about it at all. I think that's a good pick. Okay. I think it's a good decision. You get the turn around. In that case, we'll go the opposite way we did last time.

E.J. gets the first pick. We'll go around this way. Where would you like to go with the app draft? I didn't expect to get the first pick. I'm probably going to go. Like, I could seal Bose pick, but I don't actually want the clock app. So I'm going, I'm going wings. Now, do we think he gets boneless and bone in, or is he just getting?

I was going to go wings, and I was going to. thinking if they're separate i think keep them is one all wings all wings i think so and all types of sauces definitely that's a pretty good pick i mean that's that's tough to beat that's a lot of like you know yeah what do we're gonna say i feel like you shouldn't get boneless wings okay i don't know if that's going to go anyway i think you should you get bone in wings but you do get all sauces okay all right i'll take it actually well it's a different conversation i actually think boneless wings are a better like app for like at a table like a group yes I could see that you can fork it yes correct it's a little bit more shareable yeah yeah I think uh bone in wings good for two

yeah yeah yeah are you a uh we call it in our house that's one one one are you a drums are flats we call one bone two bone in our house are you sing that yeah yeah drums are i prefer two bone i prefer i prefer one i'm a one bone i'm a drum guy yeah now is meg uh meg is two bone yes so we compliment each other well. I don't mind a, I don't mind a drum, but I do prefer a flat. Julia is the same way. Julia likes flats. I like drums. Francis has just now gotten into wings. And so we've started like three of the last, we go barbecue sauce for his. So I've been smoking wings now for the three of the last four weekends. I'm not doing it this weekend, obviously. And he is, he's on my side. He's,

he's more drums. Okay. Yeah. It's been fun. I got two quick wing takes. A good one one. before we proceed the draft. First off, boneless wings get such a bad wrap. Bowness wings are great, guys. I agree with you. I don't know why we need to pit boneless and bone in wings against one another. Appreciate both. This is like Jordan and Kobe.

Just appreciate both of them for their greatness and move on. I guess Jordan and LeBron, I better come. Second wing take. I don't like people who like take pride and get every piece of meat off of the bone when they eat a wing. Like, if you don't eat your wings like this, you're not even eating. the wings. Like, who are you trying to? Strongman argues. Like, yeah, that is the thing. If you, if I, like, if you post pictures of wings, people

be like, you're not getting the meat off the bone. Like, you're not even eating those wings. Who are you trying to impress? If you don't finish every more salon there, you can have more wings, more enjoyment. Like, flips not to that is, boy, can it be gross to watch someone.

Yeah, it is. Yes, it is. I really hung in that thing. Like, I mean. So my, so my strides, for the flats okay I used to be like what they're tongue in that thing all right but actually I think that what's actually better is taking it almost like uh finding like the hinge and like yeah yeah and then you get one really super long one I think that's but even that is that that's kind of barbaric too oh it is yeah that's why I'm saying I think the boneless is better version yeah yeah

yeah some people are good at like eating a the good the flat in just one motion yeah I couldn't learn how to do that so you couldn't learn how to do that I'm not going to Okay. Over to you. Mazzarella sticks. Yeah, mozzarella sticks. That's,

you could have convinced me to make that one-one, but Wings is the right one-one. So with mozzarella sticks. I'm gonna go ahead and take, I'm gonna take the camera app. Okay. Good one.

Feel like that's, I think that's the right app to go number one with. Yeah. Got a camera in your pocket. You know, you get to see. It's good.

If you've got kids, you're taking pictures moments to remember. I'm sticking with the camera at. Francis is obsessed with like, take a picture of this. Take a picture of this. Take a picture of this. Like all the constantly. Yeah, the camera. I probably would that, I would have that one as well. Okay. Lindsay, over to you. We just got my daughter a little like toy camera, but it really takes pictures for her birthday because she's the same. She like loves taking pictures. It's a little black and white prints out smart. No, no. It's like a digital camera, but it's like a

total, like it's not like a real one. Yeah, yeah. And I think I can like take the pictures and put I'm on my computer. My first pick is pretzels. Like either a big one or pretzel bites. Like cheese. Like the soft pretzel. Yeah, a soft pretzel. What do you prefer?

Do you prefer the nuggets or do you like the Bavarian pretzel? The nuggets, usually. Okay. No. Pretzel nuggets. That's my go-to movie snack. Dipping them in... Really?

Yeah, I got pretzels every time. A dark horse dipping sauce for a pretzel? Honey mustard. I like honey mustard on a pretzel. I put honey mustard on a pretzel. call that much of a dark horse. I would say that that's... Okay. You would expect that to be out there on a pretzel app. On a pretzel? If you, like, got a pretzel from like a fancy place.

I don't think so. I think you would expect a honey mustard, a hot mustard, and like a creamy or cheesy thing. Okay. I like honey mustard. I'm a fan. I love honey mustard. Yeah. Yeah, it's not on anything. Yeah. Oh, my God. Lindsay? You're up again. You get to go again. I'm going to go with the calendar app. Okay. Just like keeps my life together. You're a good practical choice. I don't know how people like make plans like, oh yeah, like in two weeks, do you want to go to dinner?

And then they should like don't have it written anywhere. Yep, that's me. And I have a good memory, but it's just like... Yeah, you can't be... You got to get that on there. Like, my life would fall apart without it. Um, I guess I'll stick to my board. I'll take the clock app.

And I'm good. I don't need any other apps. Um, just use a regular alarm clock. Yes, that's true, but this way I can set a few. I'm good. No, I don't need anything else for the phone. I disagree. I haven't thought about this well enough.

I am going to go. Chicken tenders is too close. I mean, I do love chicken tenders, but I am going to go. I'll tell you what. Good dumplings. Like, yoza? Yeah, yeah. Like a good, like, like, a good, like, like, a big shareable bowl of dumplings.

I'm in. Me dumplings. Strong. I like it. I don't know that I would call it an app. No? I think it's an app. It's just...

I don't know. Okay. Go ahead. All right. I'm going to go to... I get two, right? Yeah. I'm taking the phone app.

Just a call? Yeah. Okay. It's the fundamental thing that you do with a phone. At least for me, I'm a call guy. I like to talk to people on the phone. I call people I haven't seen. Talk to them for an hour on my way home.

Phone app's really important for connection. I'm a family guy, like to talk to my family on the phone. So phone first, family phone. Oh, shoot, what was my second one going to be? No. Is that me or you? No, that's me. I thought about going I message here.

I don't think I actually, like, couldn't live without texting. I think I'd be okay if I never had a text again. Mm-hmm. But then I don't have a better, what is another app? I'm sorry. I thought I was prepared. I have my other appetite. but I think it's a...

Doing the both together is tough. Yeah, it's down on the board. You know what? I'll take FaceTime, too. Wow, phone and FaceTime, huh? Yeah. Don't you think if you just took FaceTime, you couldn't, you wouldn't need phone?

No, because, I mean, you're driving. You could do the FaceTime audio. You've just wasted the picks. I don't know that counts. I'm fine wasting the pick. I'm in FaceTime. Rose a pick-o-Wet. Take both of them.

Messages for me texting, yeah. You had wings. You were in the pole position, and then you blundered It's specialists. The specialist app. You're taking the message? Yes.

Texting. There are different things. You FaceTime somebody for different things and you call them for. For my food apps, I think what I'm happy about here is I can do one that is the true one for the table. And then one that's more, I prefer, you know, one or two people getting that going. I'm going to get the party app here, group of people. I mean nachos

very happy about a nachos reliable crowd pleaser nachos love some nachos over to Lindsay I was going to take nachos next played the board well

I think I'll go shrimp cocktail shrimp cocktail okay good choice and then I have another one now you have to have your your last phone app my phone app.

Hmm. I'll go. I'll be a millennial. I'll go TikTok. Just great to like scroll. It's like my probably most used one. Just like people are funny.

People are really creative. Okay. TikTok it is. They can have my data in China. Whatever. Okay. I should. I realize now.

I won't say it until after the draft. My final food app, just a personal favorite. Give me like a Vietnamese summer roll. Love that. And I'm happy to have that on my board. Good for two. Feeling good. This was a late bloomer for me.

The last like several years. Spinach artichoke dip. Oh, man. A good spinach artichoke dip. Get some like pumpernickel. little pito chips very flemy flemy

flemy consistency I'm being generous sorry you haven't had a good in saying flemy oh she's why you just ruin spinach all of us and all of our listening I thought

I thought that would make it to me on the board I was a that was the one that you were hoping for yeah wow I had a backup though I really like and it is now I could go broad here

and try to just get the whole category. Let me try that. Egg rolls. You just did spring roll. I did summer roll. Summer roll. Egg rolls is fine. I want cheesecake egg rolls specifically.

Then I think you have to draft that. All right, I'll take cheesecake egg rolls. Oh, that's a good one. Okay. They're so good. They're so good. Cheese steak egg rolls really good. E.J. has wings,

cheese steak egg rolls, but then he double dips on phone and face. I should have just went YouTube. I've been a company man. Fran Monticella sticks Dumplings Eye message

and spinach Artichute Artichoke dip Wait a second You took three food Oh yeah I forgot the stupid rules You said

Baba Caduce And you threw yourself off I was trying to guess What Lindsay was going to do It was a vegetarian You gotta get rid of You got This is a gift to you

You get rid of the Artichoke dip I feel like we're missing A big one Really? You know This isn't like a restaurant One though

It's like a No, no, but he's done. Yeah, I need. Oh, and I could say, I was going to say, I feel like we skipped our buffalo chicken dip. Like, it's not like a, you wouldn't order at a restaurant, but that's a crowd pleaser. I mean, the one that I probably used the most would be the notes app.

Note app is a good one. Yeah, it's probably the notes app. That has completely changed the tenor of your board. To go from spinach, Arnotochuk dip to notes, you really plused up there. This went notes app instead of FaceTime. I think I had this. thing wrapped up. I think that might be right.

I felt good about that draft. Wings, phone, cheesecake egg roll, and FaceTime for EJ. Mozilla sticks, dumplings, message and notes for Fran. Camera clock, nachos and summer roll for me, Lindsay, pretzels, calendar, shrimp cocktail

and TikTok. TikTok is just sticking out like a sore thumb on that, on that draft board. Like, it's a very practical. I feel like nobody wanted to go social media, but like I don't use that as like I don't post on it. Or, like follow people I know. Just to laugh at other people's funny.

I like book author one. A dozen oysters would have been a good. That would have been a late one for me. You know what? I wish that I had gone oysters over summer roll. I also had calamari written down. Yeah. It's like a classic.

Gotta get it done right. For summer roll. But oysters would be good. You know, what's the worst? It's got to be like a good place though. A restaurant that I just like don't want to go back to. If they charge you for bread. Oh.

If you have to order bread, I'm not a guy. Yeah. for bread. Like love it as an appetizer, but like a free one. Get out of town charging for bread. Ridiculous. What's the go to? Like if you want, if they bring bread in this and, you know, sometimes it's like,

oh, like, it looks okay. And then sometimes like, oh, like, give me, give me some of that bread. What's like, I'm never turning down bread. I will, I don't turn down the bread, but like, obviously there are starting to get it's warm. Yes. Correct. What's the question? Do you have, like, what is like a, you know, the type of.

bread to have like a French baguette bread French baguette. Have you ever been to Carrabahs? The restaurant. I've been to Carrabba. I've been to Carrabba story. That's my favorite bread. Megan I's first date. Carabas. That's funny because that's my funny story is that my college girlfriend like, oh, I got to take her out for Valentine's Day.

Let me look up like a local Italian place. Never heard of Carrabas before. Took her to Carabas. The story with Meg and I was that we were so we were friends before we started dating. and we were supposed to, it was the two of us, like there was three of us supposed to go out. Megan, two and her and one of our friends, the third friend canceled.

It was like, oh, I can't go. I'm not feeling well. And I was like, oh, like, do you still want to go? And the other two of us went. Now, do you think that was a, like a plant, like a fake cancel? Mm-mm. No, no. Do you still talk to that other person?

What's that? Do you still talk to that other person who bailed? Yeah. So you could confirm. I'm pretty sure it was not, though. Mm, yeah. Okay. My first day was a, my first real date, like official with Julia was at Firebirds, but really,

it's like a chain, it's like a wood fire grill. But if we're being honest, the first place that we went when we started dating was Appleby's. Nice. Yeah. I mean, we were two for twenty. Two for twenty. Yeah. No, we used to do the like half price apps after nine o'clock after work.

Yeah. Oh my God. That's why I like bonus week. so much. Lindsay, you got somebody, you got Elizabeth Baylor in the chat, who's with you on the Rosemary Bread from Carabas. It's really good.

All right, Fran, since last we talked. Let's look at some. Namdi Obazior, linebacker from TCU goes to the Patriots. Yep, late addition to the Senior Bowl. He's got some athleticism, it's undersized. This is around the time where I thought

he'd come off the board. Jordan Vandenberg goes to the Bears and Caden Curry goes to the cults. Yeah, big body, Vandenberg, um, got some athleticism, got a little bit of juice.

Uh, didn't love him, uh, in the, the small exposures I've had to him. Harry Perkins finally goes. There you go. Atlanta Falcons.

Atlanta. Um, I'll be interested to see how they view him, uh, how Jeff Elbrick, uh, views him in that defense. So,

uh, yeah, that's good. So it's listed as LB right now. We'll see what they, uh, what they talk about him as. Kicker,

Trace smack off the board. Trace smack or Tray smack. Tray smack. Tray smack. Tray smack. Tray smack. Trey smack. Then you've got Jaden Williams, Anthony Smith, T.J. Hall,

and Toro Yonno Pride, Jr. Jaden Williams is a mammoth human being. He's another, like, really big offensive linemen. Linebacker for Harold Perkins, Atlanta announced. Linebacker, interesting. There you go. Eagle 221 is on the board right now, and Eagles' first of three seventh round picks will be 244.

So we've got a bit of a ways to go. I like Trace Mack as a name, especially for a kicker. Smack for a kicker, great name. Yeah. Yeah. I believe Trace Mack made the name guide. Number 10 in Best Chance Chance to win a Royal Rumble. Oh, that's good.

I like that. Who was number one in that again? Was it Sunny Stiles? Sunny Stiles. Yeah, good one. Cass Jones, good one. Justice Johnson, Matthew McDume. Justice Johnson is a great name.

Karate Branson. Biggest fan of Outback Steakhouse UCF kicker Noah Ruellis No rules That's sad I didn't understand it No rules

Lindsay juiciest rumor After the eighth grade dance Brian Felter Oh Brian do you want to feel old Eighth grade dance You know the song It was sweeping the nation

That was just like Awesome for an eighth grade me I probably like dreams and nightmares or something. I was like, so I'm working professionals. The soldier boy song, I think it's going to crank that. Yeah, I was in college, so yeah, it sounds right. Yeah, well. Eighth grade me.

Yeah, I bet you were crank. I mean, I was sitting right there. The second I said the name of the song, I was like, I'm not getting out of this one on the game. You try to do this to get rid of them. All right. Toriano Pride, Jr. I'm going to jump on a couple of these other spots real quick. Okay.

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Winning is everything at Bet365. And we are back on the P. You go podcast. You cucks me. I got it. I was trying to. cover for you. I would not have used that word as what I did to you there. It's, you know, trying to be a good teammate. I was here. But you were, I wanted you to settle, you know. Again,

I'm just trying to help. Everything you know about me, you know that I was not trying to step on your toes there. No, you did. I don't know. Step on toes. It's not my thing. Tyree West, Tennessee defensive tackle off the board. Oh, Jack Andre's, the Texas tight end we talked a little bit about. Yeah. I think this is where I would have expected. to go as someone who watches a lot of Texas football but friends with Zach Hertz who is going to be the hero to draft Eli Hydenrek the guy is a bar you're gonna be Howard Rosen I wonder if it's I wonder if it's a eligibility thing if people think that he's not gonna be able to go maybe we'll find out find out soon pick

223 um here's a question for you yeah who on the roster has this been a good draft weekend? That's a great question. It's a great question. I mean, like, the first thing I'm thinking of is what position group did they not address as early as we thought? There's not really a tackle where it's like, oh, yeah, like, you know, Cameron Williams is going to look at Markell Bell and be like, this jeopardizes my place. I think, yeah, let's do winners and losers on the roster from the way the weekend to play it out. I've got a winner for you.

Okay. Tyler Steen. I think that's right. For a second year in a row. I think that's a very good one. There's not a player that's, if they had drafted Caden Proctor. Yep. Tyler Steen is officially, you know, on the outside track.

Yep. To a starting job. So this isn't the first time that I've said, man, this draft is a real win for Tyler Steen, only for the Eagles to go out and trade for him or Cy McCabeckton. But I do think the drafts went favorably for him. I think Tyler Steen's a very good pick. Yeah.

I think if I told you the Eagles were using a first three-round pick on a an offensive lineman, the odds are that there was a good chance that person was going to compete with Tylerstein and Mark Abel is obviously not that person. Yep, I agree. I would say another loser. I mean, this is a lower level one. No doubt that Eli Stowers is bad news for Grand Calcutera. Yeah.

In particular. I think that's pretty clear, right? Yeah. I mean, with what Howie Rosen said about the position, they're going to need to fill it out with players who can counterbalance. what I Stowers is not capable of doing right now. So yeah, I think that Grant Calcutera, and honestly, one that we would have expected

would probably get pushed out. Yeah, that's because the... But still, that's a good one. But that is probably what you would have expected. And Cameron Williams, like we said, is probably a loser. Yeah. Can I get a two for one here?

Sure. Michael Carter and Marcus Epps. Yes. The fact that the Eagles did not target a safety on day one or two, really, especially passing over Emmanuel McNeil Warren to take Eli Stourer,

that is a very favorable outcome for those guys. Here's one for you. Yeah. Smile Mondin, winner. Yeah, I think there was a chance they drafted another linebacker in somewhere between the fourth and fifth round. Yeah. That was going to be competing with him to maybe be the second backup.

If you think Jeremiah Trado Jr. is the top backup there. And they did not do that. So I think Smile Mondin Jr., pretty assured of a roster spot at this point. Yeah, he's going to be an interesting one to watch in training camp because he had a good camp last summer. He's, and he's a good athlete. Vic Fangio seems to be a big fan of his. Like, yeah, I think he,

could he be in two, three years' time, like a player that is starting for the Eagles? I still think that that's in play for him. And I think, you're right. He needs to, as Fran would, friend always talks about, like, making the roster year over year and finding ways to get chances to become,

to reach your potential, really. I think he's going to get those chances, especially after the way that this weekend's gone. I've got one for you. Okay. Cam Juergens? Was there a world where they drafted Connor Liu or a center-only prospect

that just puts it a little bit more? I don't know. Yeah, okay. I think that's fine. I mean, you could say Drew Kendall's a winner because it's not like Michael Morris. The one guy that drafted is a threat to him.

Yeah. There are different types of players. I think Hollywood Brown is a loser. Yeah. Like I don't think that, I don't think that Hollywood Brown would have signed with the Eagles. Lindsay,

Wednesday enjoyed that. What? Just you calling him a loser. Just like that would be a good clip. I just like, I think he's a loser. Assuming the Eagles aren't paying him much more than whatever else he was offered elsewhere, I don't think he would have signed with the Eagles if he knew they were going to trade for Dantavian Wix, then draft Mackay Lemon and Eli Stowers.

Yeah, that's a really good point. He has gone from really the number three guy on the depth chart, if not the number two. Yeah. To now pretty low down. And I don't know if they're going to definitely carry him if he's not a special teams player and he's the fighter server four. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. If he had read the landscape differently, I think, you know, he may have signed elsewhere.

Okay. I've got maybe one that you're going to have to, like, hear me out on. Is Cooper to Gene a winner from this weekend? Just from the sheer fact, they did not draft a nickel cornerback. Okay. Changes. Presuming he wants to stay there, which is what he said. Well, and also the financial aspect of it.

Like, if he stays at nickel, I think he will be worth more money to the Eagles. And, you know, probably in line of, for a bigger contract. So again, I mean, you kind of have to squint to see it. But if they had drafted Trayton Stukes or a nickel, a real like nickel cornerback, it's all of a sudden like, okay, like we want to move you to safety, which might be great for the Eagles, but maybe not favorable for Cooper to Gene. I think you could say, given the expectation that they were going to draft a tight end,

this actually worked out pretty well for Dallas Goddard. Yeah. Because Eli Stowers is not necessarily taking Dallas Goddard off the field. Yeah. And there's a real chance that Dallas Goddard has to be here even beyond this year to sort of be Stowers caddy 12 personnel. Yeah, and he can also turn into like a Brent Selleck, late career Brent Selleck type for the Eagles now. Whereas if they drafted a true two-way tight end, then Dallas Carter's probably just gone next year. Yeah, yeah, you're right.

It gives Dallas Gowder a pathway. Like, would it be crazy. I mean, it would be unlikely, but would it be crazy if the Eagles were like trying to sign him to a multi-year extension worth less and where he's at right now. but again to be that like veteran presence next to Eli Stowers you're right the caddy in a multiple tight-end sets you think I'maqati is a loser with the granard trade I feel like he's exactly where you where they wanted him and where he probably expected to be Nolan Smith you could say I think the granard trade says more about Nolan Smith yeah um if you're Nolan Smith and you were hoping to sign an extension that you know bakes in your fifth year option yeah the Jonathan Grenard trade really makes

that less likely and makes it more of a likelihood that the Eagles are going to build that room without him as a long-term part of it. Okay. And what positions do you think that Howie will now look at veteran-free agency guys who are on the street to bring into camp? Safety stands out. Safety for sure, but I don't know that they need like a street guy. They might need to be looking at a real guy.

Yeah. But maybe it's a flyer. Linebacker. I think it will. Linebacker, they will sign somebody. defensive tackle they will sign somebody because right now you've got your clear top three but Ty Robinson was underwhelming last year

Gabe Hall Byron Young I think they're going to add somebody there and there and there will be guys available sure yeah outside of that I don't think that there's a lot of like I think they need another interior offensive linemen to some okay yeah

yeah that makes sense honestly you probably are going to sign someone that you hope like best case scenario is your eighth guy on game day. Yeah. Like, you know, as much as they are bullish on Drew Kendall, it's like you would like to have another chance here. And then I would think that they will, in undrafted free agency, prioritize adding an uninteresting

running back if possible. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You would almost expect them, or you're saying undrafted for agency. Yeah, I mean, it's possible that they've dropped here. It doesn't shock me if they draft somebody. Yeah.

My guy, Robert Spears Jennings, off the board. seven to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Also, as far as you know. Ethan Kaliak Manis, the Rutgers quarterback. It's an interesting name. Was he in the name guy?

I think he was. Or he might have been a cut. David Collins with a super chat says what QBs are on the roster week one. Good question. I mean, how many turkeys are you putting on a Tairdeme of McKee trade is really the question?

I don't know. I'd say like 37. I think I would go more than that. I would go close to 50. I started at 50 and talked myself down. Yeah. Yeah. I would go 48.

Yeah. Well, that's the question. Because, I mean, it's not like, to me, it's not like they need to roster Cole Payton. You know, they could get him through waivers. It's never what you want to do cutting a guy you just drafted. But they did it with Thorson. But yeah, exactly. That is a type of thing that you can do.

So for that reason, I would guess it would be Jalen Hertz, Tanner McKee, and Andy Dalton, unless they trade Tanner McKee, and then I think Cole Payton gets that spot kind of just because you want to carry three anyway. I think, yeah, I think they are not hoping for, but preparing for if there's a quarterback injury somewhere else around the league. Yeah. Then, and maybe they can pounds on a McKee deal. Yeah.

You see the other super chat. Max Aurelius. Paul Payton turned fullback, guaranteed duck. Duck, Duke's victory for E.J. I think we discussed this. Obviously, he will not count for you, but you're going to win Duck, Duck, Duke's anyway.

Yeah, because I got wide receiver, I got tight end. Yeah. It's pretty much impossible to beat that. Well, that was a lot of good Eagles talk. Too much, probably. No, not too much. I'm sure there are people who want to, I'm sure there are a lot of people who enjoyed that.

Oh, your boy. Jaron Kanak, another fullback type from Oklahoma. Those are the Titans. If it was a dolphins, I would have been legitimately upset. Because, you know, just like, it's, like, we've talked before about how, like, it's validating when, like, a team that has a good vision at the position drafts a player

you like. I feel like the Dolphins take on my guy. It's like the opposite of that. Let's look at the Dolphins draft class because I want to really hold you to the fire here. And let's, these are the guy. This is what you think is a really good draft class. No, I said they got a couple of players I really like. No, no, no, no, no, no.

Don't back off. Now, they've had a lot of picks. Yeah. That is true. Um, Caden Proctor in the first round. Great. I like it. Chris Johnson in the first round.

Yeah. Mid. Jacob Rodriguez in the second round. I don't like that one. An enormous reach for Caleb Douglas in the third round. Oh, maybe they just have had a lot of picks. Yeah, boy, Will Casmeric in the third round. They got a good one.

You like him. Still a bit of a reach. They got a good one. Chris Bell in the third round. Trey Moore, the Texas Edge. Yeah. Kyle Lewis. Michael Taff.

I like Michael Taff. Kevin. Coleman, Coleman Jr. Seidu Treore, Mississippi State Tight End, and DJ Campbell. Yeah,

they've just had a lot of picks. Yeah. All right. I take it back. 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 player class with one more pick to go. Yeah,

they were bound to have a couple guys I like. But they've got, I mean, they have like nobody on that roster. I take it back. I think with 12 picks,

that's not the best performance. I agree. But they do have a couple guys I like. That's what I would say. I'm changing my tune. I don't like the class. I like some of the guys

that they added. Clayton Tune. Do you want to just go through draft classes? That's what I was actually going to do. I was looking at the Giants. Cardinals. Oh, her nose. Jeremiah Love, Chase Basantis.

Let's decide each of our favorite team's class. Okay. I like the Cardinals start so far. Jeremiah Love at number three overall. I mean, I don't like the value, but I do like the player. First time following the NFL, my friend. Maybe. I like the player.

I've been adding him with Chase Besantis, at least you can get. And then Carp and the third, get out of town. All right, I'm out. Caleb Proctor, Reggie Virgil, Carson, Shire, and Jaden Williams. That's a big old pass for me. Especially they had high picks. You would have expected them to be a little better. Aviontele in round two.

Like it. Zachariah Branch in round three. Kendall Daniels, Ontario Thompson, and Harry Perkins. Good start. Yeah. I'm not going to be, I can't make that number one. It's also tough if you don't have a first round pick to really compete in this. Ravens.

Venga, Yawane. Zion Young, Jacoby Lane, Elijah Surratt, Matthew Hibner, Chandler Rivers, Josh Chuevas, Adam Randall, and Ryan Eckley, the Ravens love drafting punters. Bills, T.J. Parker in the second round, Davison Igbana Sung, Jude Bowery, Skylar Bell,

Hala Lange, Lai Lange, Lai Lange, Jalen Killigore, Zane Durant, Toriano Pride, Jr. I like some of the day three work they did there. Yeah, same. Carolina Monroe Freeling Lee Hunter

Chris Brazell Willie Sam Hecht and Zachie Wheatley Bears Dylan Theanman at 25 Logan Jones Sam Roush

Zavian Thomas Malik Muhammad in the fourth Kishon Elliott and Jordan Vandenberg I like it I don't he's moving me yet I don't know if that's like

that is like an early favorite for me but I hope that we're getting better ones than that. Bengals kick things off with Cassius Howell in the second round. Takario Davis. Very different. Connor Lou. Colby Young, Brian Parker and Jack Andries.

Browns. Spencer Fano. Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston. Emmanuel McNeill Warren in the second round. They're cooking. Austin Barber, Parker, Parker Brailsford, Justin Jefferson,

Joe Royer, and Talen Green. All right. That's my leader so far. Yep, same. I like that class. Dallas. Caleb Downs, Malachi Lawrence, Jishon Barham, Drew Shelton, Devin Moore,

L.T. Oberton and Anthony Smith. Oh, like some of those. I like that that probably would have been my leader until the Browns so far. Denver. Didn't pick until the third round. Tyler Anyedham. Jonah Coleman, Cage Casey, and Justin Jolie.

I like what they did. Honestly, given what they had, I think they did a pretty good job. Just really quick on the Cowboys, he had gone, just like basically any. Malachi Lawrence. Yeah, the Malachi Lawrence pick really lost the steam.

Especially like when you go Jashon Barham with the next pick you have. Yeah. I know Fran said they, they've been missing off ball linebacker, but if they just like, I mean, they don't need a receiver, but if they had just taken,

I'm just going to say Casey Concepcione, even though they don't need a receiver. Maybe with the George Pickens. I agree with you. If they had just taken Casey Concep, exception, that's my favorite draft. Yeah. All right.

Lions. Lions. Blake Miller at 17. Derek Moore in the second round. This is my least favorite so far. Yeah. Jimmy Rolder. Keith Abney,

Kendrick Law, Schuyler Gil Howard, and Tyree West. That is not a good class. As far as I'm concerned, who am I? Packers. Didn't pick until around.

Pick 20 in the second round. We lost Lindsay. She's officially leaving, going home for the day. I'm done with these guys. Brandon Cise. Chris McClellan, Deny Dennis Sutton, Yeager Burton, Domani Jackson, and Trace Mack.

They got one of my guys, but the rest of the class doesn't move me. Texans. Keelan Rutledge, 26, Caden MacDonald, Marlon Klein, which I felt like was a pretty big reach. Yeah. In the second round, give him the tight end class. Fibetchi Wee Woo. Like him.

Wade Woodaz. Love that one. Camari Ramsey and Lewis Bond. Do you remember what he was in the name? The quickest rejected nickname for Pinocchio. Colts. C.J. Allen, late in the second round. A.J. Halsey.

Jalen Farmer. Bryce Butcher, Betcher. George Gumbs Jr. and Caden Curry. I like what they did with that. Resources. Yeah, that's good use of resources right there. Jaguars. First pick of their draft.

In the second round, Nate Borkature. Then Albert Regis, Emmanuel Pregnan, Jalen Husky, Wesley Williams, Tanner Kosjil, Josh Cameron, and CJ Williams. That is one of the worst I've seen, yeah. I like Tanner Kosiel. I don't know what it was about him, but I just like the kid.

So I'll be rooting for him. Chiefs. Trade up for Mansour Delane. French ass name. Peter Woods. R. Mason Thomas in the second round. Jaden, Candidey, Emmett Johnson

the 5th, and Cyrus Allen. That's your favorite. I don't love the trade-up for Delane if that was someone else. Yeah. If that was one of the, if that was like,

Fano or Maui Noah, I think that would be my favorite. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good class. I like getting Peter Woods and R. Mason Thomas. Yeah.

I mean, Monster Delane, maybe. I like that one a lot. Yeah. Yeah. To move up to replace Trent Duffy. Trent McDuffie with him

is a little bit like, why didn't he just keep Trent McDuffie? Chargers. Akeem Mezzador, 22 overall. Old. Yeah, you hate it. Jake Slaughter, Brennan Thompson, Travis Burke, Genesis Smith, Nick Barrett, Logan Taylor, Alex Harkey.

Nope. Not my favorite. Rams, a bunch of olds. And Ty Simpson, 13, overall, that's going to be one of my worst. Ty Simpson, but they've been good with the olds. Max Clare, Kagan Trost, and C.J. Daniels. They're going to have a small class. Raiders.

Mendoza. Trade in Stukes. Iran Crawford, Trey Zune, Jermad McCoy, Mike Washington Jr., Dalton Johnson, Hezekian, Mazzis, and Malik Benson. There has not been class in the team that had a class that I really, really like. Yeah, you know, you would have expected them to do a little bit more

to, like, insulate Fernando Mendoza in that class. Yeah, I don't love it. Vikings. Caleb Banks at 18. Jake Golday in the second round. Dominique Orange. Caleb Tiernan in the third round. Jacobi Thomas, Max Bredesen, Charles Demings, and Daman Claybourne.

Nope. Two good late picks I like, that's it. Didn't move me. Patriots. Caleb Lomu. Gabe Accus. Eli Raritan. Karan Prunty.

Demetrius crown over and Namdi Obiasor. I'll actually like that with what they had to work with. Yeah. Saints. Jordan Tyson at 8. Kristen Miller in the second round. Oscar Delp. in the third. Jeremiah Wright, Bryce Lance.

Lorenzo Stiles Jr., Barion Brown, and T.J. Hall. Actually, I kind of like that. Yeah, you like Tyson and Delp? Yeah. Giants. Arville Reese. Francis Maui Noah. Colton Hood, Malachi Fields,

Bobby, James and Travis, J.C. Davis and Jack Kelly. Man, they were like a couple good day three picks away from really having me, but... Yeah, I don't love Colton Hood, but if that was someone different, I think that that's a pretty good... Reese and Maui Noah is, I mean, you have two top ten picks.

You should walk away with... unimpressive hall, but those are, it's a good way to start a class. Mr. Lindsay's Jets. David Bailey, Kenyon, Sadiq, Omar Cooper, DeAngelo, Pons, D'Angelo, Jackson, Jr., Kidd Clubbick, Adnaz, Cooper, and V.J. Payne. You know what?

I think that's my favorite so far. Yeah, you're going Sadeek. Yeah, I mean, Sadiq, Angela Pons, Omar Cooper, I mean, with David Bailey at the top. But yeah, that's pretty good. Even if you took David Bail out. What did they give up to get up to Omar Cooper? I don't remember, but that's pretty good.

I mean, they still have a good draft hall here, though. Your Philadelphia Eagles. McCoy Lemon, Eli Stowers, Markelle Bell, Cole Payton, and Michael Morris so far. Steelers. Max Ihanot chore. Max Ehanot chore. Max Ehanotaur. Jeremy Bernard.

Drew Aller, Dalyne Everett, Jennings Dunker, Caden Wetgen, Riley, Noakowsky, Gabriel Rubio, and Bobby Spears, James, James, Jennings. Seahawks. Judarian Price at 32. Bud Clarks, Julianneal, Bo Stevens, and Emmanuel Henderson,

Jr. Not moved. Niners. Dejohn, Stribling, kicks it off at the top of the second round. Ramello Height,

a third round pick on Kalon Black. They always do stuff like that, man. Grayson, Alton, who alike, Carver Willis, Ephesians,

Prisak, Jaden Dugger, and Rike Cruz. That team, it feels like every year they just light a third round pick on fire for some reason,

doesn't it? Yeah. And then they end up on the Eagles in two years. Shout out Camelot, too. Bucks, Ruben Bain at 15,

Josiah Trotter, Ted Hurst, Giante Scott, DeMonte Capehart, and Billy Shrouth, and Bauer Sharp. That's a finalist for me. I like that one.

Yeah. Titans, Carnal Tate, a bit of a reach, but then you get Caldrick Falk, Anthony Hill Jr., Fernando Carmona, Nicholas Singleton,

Jackie Marshall, Pat Coogan, and Jaron Kinnack. And then the final one. This is really, this is really painting a nasty picture. Yeah. Then the commanders,

Sonny Stiles, Antonio Williams, Joshua Josephs, Ketron Allen, Matt Gulbin, and Athin Calliak Manus. Well, we have an update on

the Steelers. Okay. They took him. They might win now. No, they took Eli Hydenreich. They took Eli Hydenreich. Oh,

and he's going to be fun there, too. It's going to be their best player. Yeah. He fits. So since Jaron Kana We have Navy defensive tackle Landon Robinson going to the Bengals. I liked him too. Miami of Ohio linebacker Jackson Qwatch going to the Panthers.

VJ Payne. Lindsay's favorite goes to the Jets. Oh, Lindsay. Mr. Lindsay gets VJ. Payne. Raiders take Brandon Cleland and then you missed it, Fran. Did you see? Oh, wait, let's get his reaction on camera then. We're hiding right go.

Want to take a guess? New England. No, but close. Buffalo? No. But you're on the right track. Giants? Places that like white people.

Giants? No. I don't know. Where? Pittsburgh. Ah. I, um, hold on. I got some juice there.

Some juice. Yeah, one sec. Nope, never mind. Oh. A coach from Navy. got hired by the NFL team this year and I couldn't remember which off the top of I had which team was not want to see if it was Pittsburgh

I have a question what's up EJ's alley Does the draft have to be this many rounds like numbers wise they need this many options for rosters because it feels like these guys in the sixth and seventh round like don't end up on rosters Jason Kelsey was sixth round pick I know it happens I know Tom Brady was also

like a late round pick but just like is that why they have to draft this money or? Very question. I mean, it's collectively bargained. I think the- I'm going to say, the NFLPA probably wishes there were fewer rounds, right? Do you think so?

I guess it's guaranteed salary slots. Yeah. But like the, if you're a seventh round pick, you probably, no, not probably, you would prefer to be an undrafted free agent and choose where you're going.

Well, I think not everybody. I think some people would. I think if I were... It's a declaration of some intent. Yeah, I'd rather have a choice on where I go. I'd rather choose my situation and give myself the best chance. So if I were in the NFLPA, that's what I would advocate for. You were around.

Pulling the ladder up behind you. Oh, no, I don't think that. No, I would want the optionality. I think you're going to say I'm just advocating for... I think it's just, I mean, there are 90 roster spots, I think. I don't know. It's a good question. Fair question.

One of the conversations we had in the auditorium earlier today is if you... Why are we still here? This is ridiculous. I could be doing so money. Oh, my God. I hit my job. No comment on any of that. I mean, I love all the people that I work around at the media house.

In the auditorium, we were talking about if the salary cap, and this is like a hard thing to like square here. But just stay with me. if the salary cap weren't a limiting factor on this, would you rather have, would you rather use your draft picks on rookies, or would you rather trade all of them for veteran players? I don't really understand the question. Like, yeah, it's, it's tough to, like, conceptualize, like,

are you saying that, like, rookies would get paid regular salaries, too? Yeah, let's go with that. Let's say that the rookie contracts are not the advantage that you get, like the cost control nature of it. Let's say that that's gone. you're just using your draft assets for either players in the draft or you can trade them for a veteran

which one would you do yeah I wouldn't want young players but they're unproven they might stink right but you're you're trying to build a team that can last yeah you're trying to not to build people with that side team yeah then you got to pay those guys I think I lean rookies too but I do think it's interesting okay I feel bad I was like, heard you guys like going through like teams and stuff. I was like, oh, you guys were talking football. Every single team.

Damn it's. And, you know, but it was actually a really interesting exercise because there was not one team that was like, ooh, I like that draft. Really? Wow. I mean, there were ones that I think, I think our favorite was Cleveland? Cleveland, do. Spencer Fano at 9. Yep.

Casey Concepcion and Denzel Boston. Yep. Emmanuel McNeill Warren. Yep. That's a good draft so far. And then Austin, Barber, Parker. Brailsford, Justin Jefferson, Joe Royer, tailing green.

It's a good draft. Yeah. There were a lot of teams that had like... I don't love Denzo Boston, but if he's the second receiver that you take. Yeah. Getting McNeil Warren in the second. That's a good draft. A lot of teams that just had like one pick where it's like,

if only if only not for that one, that I would have really liked it. Yeah. The, uh, I mean, what's funny about the Brown's draft, though, is that that is like, like the media had that dialed in. I shouldn't say the media. The Whispers had that dialed in. filed in.

Like, you go through like my notes on the Browns. Wanna trade down. It was like, Fano, one Kseption is

their target of 24, but if not, Denzel Boston is their follow up and they really love Emmanuel O'Bien Warren. No. Literally like, like that was,

yeah. Giants class, like you can almost get there. But again, they had two top 10 picks. I think that's, yeah. Yeah,

that's kind of weight it. I'm just like interested to see the Giants class though. Like, mm-hmm. Yeah. Like,

I'm very interested to see I like Dallas's usage. Dallas has a good class. Dallas is the one where Malachi Lawrence had been someone different. Yeah, I said Casey Concepts song. Yeah.

Oh, Keldrick Falk, yeah. If that'd be Keldrick Falk, that's my favorite class. Absolutely. But even, like even with Lawrence, it's like,

all right, like let's say he hits, you know, that's a good group. I like the Jets class. David Bailey, Kenyan Sadiq, Omar Cooper,

DeAngelo Pons, Darrell Jackson Jr., Kade Clubnick. I like that one. Anness Cooper and then Vijay Payne. it's a pretty good group yeah i like that class they're not all gonna be the hip but that's a good group yeah i think we're gonna make it this is gonna be a seven hour show and

hit the like button would you please you're at 233 and and you know what steal someone else's computer and hit the like button on theirs too or phone we should set a like goal what are we at 445 that's it yeah that's what i'm saying on my screen if we get to 650 we'll do something do something yeah could be anything could be a boat

what the Titans do people are saying they like the Titans draft I like the Titans draft they took carnell Tate yeah that's the

the problem Calder Tate at four yeah yeah is the color is it wrong that really sells it uh

hold on what's it 18 17 17 Fawk Anthony Hill in the second I didn't love Fernando Carmona oh then they don't have

to pick until the fifth so Jackson, Jackie Marshall, Pat Coogan, Jaron Kanek. Yeah. I don't love the group. Yeah.

It's fine. I could see, I could see the vision. Usually there's like a class or two where you're like, oh. Yeah. Nailed it.

Yeah. I mean, we've gone through a couple of the good ones. I usually like when I'm looking at like drafts, the drafts at the end, I usually am like half glass or glass half full. Like I'm usually looking at like, all right,

like what do they see? Like how do I? How do I? What's their vision for it? Um, then there are some where I'm just like, I don't know what, the thought is there.

Who's that for you this year? I got a look at them all. Yeah. Will the Eagles draft Uar Bernard? Hope so. Be fun. I kind of think they will know that they have three picks.

Yeah. I keep forgetting that they got that extra seven yesterday. Yeah, in the Grenard trade. All right, so we got three picks coming up here. Okay. There's still a ways right there. It was, yeah. There's no way this guy's.

Who's a guy who you think is, who you have thought is not going to get drafted? but you're kind of like, that would be fun. Wait, so this one more time. Like someone, you have,

you have no expectation they're actually going to get drafted, but you would be most excited to see get drafted. Okay. Tori and York linebacker from Texas A&M. Okay. Because he's like a 4-9 guy on tape. Like,

it's just like a linebacker. He's small and slow. Yeah, but Lampkin, Lampkin on film was athletic. This kid on film, I'm like, he's got speed deficiency and then tested that way.

So I'm like, all right, that's going to be a tough sell. but the intangibles are really good. And he's just a really good football player. My comparison for him was Jeremiah Trotter Jr. Okay. Like that's the archetype of flare.

I don't think, I mean, he wouldn't get drafted in a normal year. I'll put it that way. There's still what? How many picks we got left? 30? Mm-hmm. We're on pick 235. Yeah, it's just under 30.

Oh, the Broncos wrap it up. Two picks at the end. Gavin Gerhardt Baron Morton Baron Morton Barron is got a very Zach Durfey He's got the

like the snap like side three quarter release Like baseball player Yeah I don't like that 650 legs And Bo has to admit The chat has great taste in soups

That's a deal Gavin Gerhart is in the guide dodged one there Zach Durfey The pass rusher from Washington The Jaguars took not in the guide.

I thought you were celebrating a mock draft. No, I'm more like counting like how many guys didn't make it into the guide. Beat myself up on it. Don't beat yourself up. Yeah, I know. Lindsay, best compliment to a spider. Something long legs or...

Sterling Webb. I remember that one. That was a good one. That made me chuckle of like 7 a.m. that morning. That was a good one. I think my computer froze. Oh, no. Oh, no.

Oh, there is. We're good. We're back. Most likely to put raisins in the chicken salad. This is a good one too Ryan Whiteley This corner The end of the draft is really bad

Corners Yeah This kid that just got drafted He was brutal Up close Andre Fuller from Toledo Lute's response To the first line

of Moby Dick Nesmail Madi Best news about you And Dupree He was Texas State kid I liked them Best news about you and Dupree Janelan Dupree

No Most disappointing answer when you find out what Timo is bringing to the potluck. Kimo Maca Naoli. How is that a real name? I like Kimo Maca-N-A-L-Lay-Ly. How do they spell their first name? Kimo is K-I-M-O.

K-I-M-O. I wanted to see their last. Most embarrassing day for Canon. Canon Panfaloff. Most painful injury. Tori Cox. On that note. We got any picks that we want to talk about.

I know. I'm looking on Andre Fuller, the corner from Toledo. This is crawling in the seventh round. Yeah, you'd think these teams. Oh, this is where the, this is where, uh, is there. Six-fif of Tos. I can't help them still work. This is what tickles.

Is that supposed to be me? I'm with E.J. I'm team E. At this point. This is my team. That is the problem. They're going to make their pixels. They're going to have to do the hundred out of the fridge.

And we're not going to get to talk. these guys for two hours. He knows how right that is. That's why I don't know what I'm saying. He has nothing to say. I was in the media house. That's what I'd be hearing right now. I think they're doing this just to mess with us.

I think they got two seventh round fits. Just to have with us. Ridiculous. They're doing it on purpose. Oh, man. I have heard that before. Yeah. That's good.

I can like guess who you're thinking would say that. Yeah. still out there. Yeah, what's up with that? Yeah, I think there's stuff going on there. McGowan got drafted?

He must be coming up. Someone just texted me. Seth McGowan running back from Kentucky. Nice. There we go. Colts. Yep. One, two,

three, four, five, six, seven picks away. From the first of three seventh rounders. What a day this has been. It is kind of crazy that we've, We've had two picks so far.

Had a lot of good insight and analysis around that, though. And drafts. And drafts. We did biggest winners and losers of the draft weekend on the Eagles roster. Okay. Yeah, that was good. By the way, the one-year anniversary today, it happened on day two of the draft last year.

Any memories? Okay, hold on. Day two of the draft. In the chat, see if you can guess, what happened on day two of the draft last year. The mice. Yes. The mice made their debut. Oh, shrieked.

I did not shrieked. You popped up from the desk and you shrieks like E.J. would. I did not shriek. I did. I did call. I did call you. I was going to say, I did call EJ's wife to come and take care of it. Get the golf club.

Get my nine. Iron. It is an iron that you use as your weapon, not a driver. That's your weapon of choice? I mean, of choice? Yeah,

I guess. What else are you using? I'd rather have a baseball bat than a golf club. No, no, I think I'd rather have the iron because you got, that's got like an angle on it.

Yeah, you could inflict some damage. Think about it. Would you rather get hit by a baseball bat or a golf club? A golf club? No. You got to be more precise.

I mean, I can, I can rake somebody with a baseball bat. Yeah, but I think if you get hit with like the edge of the iron, yeah. It's more of a blunt object.

I think you can, you can, like, yeah, you can, like, do some piercing damage for that. I don't know. I mean, you're not swinging,

you don't have blades. Well, yeah, not walking around with, like, numchucks or, uh, no,

but I mean, like blade iron. Oh, like, yeah, like, really skinny, uh,

you've got blunt irons, probably, right? No, you don't know what, how good of golfer I am. Maybe I do have blades. Um,

I, I mean, it's, it would hurt more than a baseball bat. I'd rather get hit by a baseball bat than a golf club. Let us know in the chat. Would you rather get hit by a baseball bat or a nine iron? If the Eagles draft another quarterback,

would you rather get him? Another punter off the board. Tommy Domain. Come on, Eagles. Max Llewellyn. Off the board to Miami. People were talking about him as like a fourth rounder. I did not see it with him.

What's that? Give me the bat. I think you're wrong on this. I don't know. Yeah. If any issues of the kids throwing the bat in baseball? A couple kids, yeah. Working through it.

Mm-hmm. Like just throwing it after this game. Yeah, they can't like that. They have to, like, sorry. Remember, drop the bat, then run. Baseball is like, I mean, you guys are both coaches. So you already know this, but it is like a scary sport for kids to play. But it is also like a fun fundamental sport that kids can and should play.

The number one, I said this to my son earlier at the beginning of the season. The number one like sporting activity I miss most from being a kid was baseball practice. Really? Yes. Yeah. Like my favorite point like I played like basketball was my best sport growing up. Baseball was like going to baseball practice. Shag and fly ball.

I was third baseman. Like, like, I love, like, we, we didn't do like anything crazy, like organized in baseball practice. It was like,

all right, like, Sandlot, like, all right, like someone's up, someone's up hitting, and then the rest of us are playing the field

and we just kind of rotate, just out there, like field and ground balls, like shagging flies. Like, that's the best. Batting practice. Yeah.

Batting practice is the best. No, see, I preferred playing in the field. Really? Yeah. No, I love batting practice.

I was like, I turn on every pitch, just hit, like, you hit a couple home runs and yeah have a blast okay I don't think you have enough like the golf club yeah what's the chat sign it's too specific on our side is it I don't even see the I think it is 50 50 oh really wow man all right there's just a little bit uh I think I think there's your strike zone with the golf club is smaller and yes you need you need more space to be able to wield it

Whereas with the baseball bat, it's it's much more versatile. I don't know if you have, you need any more space to wield a golf club versus the baseball bat. Well, because the surface area of the strike level, what he said like this. Yeah. If you, the margin for error is much. Yeah, if you hit somebody. Yeah. If you hit somebody with the shack and you got to be holding it.

You got to be holding it right because you could also hit somebody with the back end of the iron as opposed to the head of it. And that's not, that's not as damaging. No. But if you hit it with the head of the iron, that's, yeah. That's more damaging than the baseball bat. Be an athlete. You got to trust your hand and eye coordination. Let us know in the chat.

What's your protection device of choices? D.S. Donagie with the super chat says The Warriors weren't chased through Central Park by a bunch of 900 wielding James Stewart's Bad Peace Club. D.S. Donaggie, thank you very much. I like that. Did you guys ever do like adult league baseball? 30 and over or whatever they are.

I did when I was a teenager. Yeah, I was a teenager I played. I wish I actually, I would love to still do that. That'd be great. I actually nearly lost. Is there winning or now? Playing,

I remember it was a beer league baseball league. No, it was a softball league. Okay, softball. Softball league, I was probably 17. I was like a junior high school maybe. This guy like hit mile high fly ball into that playing third base. And I just put my hand in the glove too soon.

I was trying. I went to go, like try and get a guy late and put the and oh lot everywhere it was a good one oh well there's the story of playing for the eagle softball team right uh i was at shortstop duke was in left field this was one of the first games we'd play together so we didn't we didn't have you know great chemistry yet fly ball in between i'm going back he's coming in he's got you know prodigious shoulders yeah i go for the ball and my face goes right into his shoulder.

Oh, no. Tooth goes through my lip. Oh, man. Finish the game. Warrior. I do it. Damn. Painful.

Yeah, it wasn't fun. Yeah. I didn't, once Francis was born, I didn't do much of the, like, I didn't play bubble ball as much with the Eagles of the need. I know, like Tuesday nights like playing football in the bubble. Didn't do as much of the softball. I went to one softball. They were like down numbers and Meg was going to be home.

So I was like, all right, like, I'm, like, I'm, going to play. So I had my glove in the car, I had it in the trunk. I go and I play, and it ended up getting like very, uh, intent. Very heated. Yeah, very contentious. It all started our, our developer at the time, he hit a pop up, pop up in foul territory. And the woman that was the catcher, she was like in her 60s. Oh my God. Okay. Like older. Maybe like 50s. Okay. She's an older woman. She goes to try and catch it. And he like, he's like, ah, like, like, So she drops it. I thought you were going to say he ran her over.

No, he goes like, oh, he's going to. So now there's yelling back and forth. And then I was literally the same inning. I was on second base. And someone hits it to the outfield. And I get the, I'm going home. I'm going to try and beat the throw and score. And no one yelled like, get down, get down.

And I trucked. It was not the one that was, they, it was. I didn't run him over. The guy was blocking the base. He was blocking the home plate. I just, I, so then it was like,

it was a whole big thing. Oh my gosh. But the, I'm not going to. I don't want to out him. It was very funny. Okay. I don't have my phone.

I'll bear it back. Hold on. Eagles are on the clock. Yeah. Okay. All right. We got to go to break. We'll be back in a minute.

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And it's an exciting one, Fran. The Eagles are drafting. Safety. Cole Wisniewski from Texas Tech. Yes. Former teammate of Paul Payton from North Dakota State. He started his career, North Dakota State, played there for four seasons, five seasons, actually. missed the entire 2024 year with a foot injury after having surgery. So missed that full season.

But if you go back to 2023, he had eight picks that year. And some of it's like, oh, like, you know, Johnny on the spot. Like he looked at some of them are like legit, like really good zone coverage instincts plays in coverage. And so I, this is a really interesting player that I have pretty highly rated. He was my 11th rank safety. I think this guy's got staying power in the NFL, good run defender. You don't want to play into the post. He's going to get attacked vertically.

the speed was the big question. Honestly, I did not have him pegged as a player that I thought that was moved track. But I think at the end of the day, this is a guy that has a good feel for playing in zone. He's a good run defender. I think he's got the ability to stick as a reliable backup. I compared him to Dan Sorensen

and that I think he could be like a nice sub-package piece. If you told me he became re-blanketship, like that's the type of player that we're looking at here. Yeah, I like this pick. He played Texas Tech last year in a different defense and was a really good glue guy there on the back end. didn't have production like on the ball the way you did at North Dakota State, but it's a good player.

Really comfortable in the box too. Like the way that he took on blocks at Texas Tech, really like a pro. Yep. I really like Colosniewski. Yeah, I mean, it's a seventh round pick. Keep your expectations in check, but I like him a lot. Credit to you.

I mean, he's one of your guys. He was one of my guys. And I think it is a testament to the player that he is. And really I think like good football player is like what comes up with him. It's a testament to the player that he is that you, he is one of your guys as an older prospect. But again, in the seventh round, this is the type of player that the Eagles typically like to target,

which is a player that you can squint and at least see a pathway toward this guy becoming maybe not a high end starter, but a starter in the NFL based off some of the traits. But I don't think that he's a traits guy. He's not like their general type. Unusual size is the big thing. Yeah, I'm not saying physical traits. I'm saying like some of the play personality stuff and the physicality.

Yeah. He's your number 101 player overall. Yeah. And again, the way I grade players in terms of how they get stacked is how I view them down the road four or five years from now. And I see him as a high end backup, the potentially low end starter. That's why he's just outside my top hundred. We should get Charles Davis on the line.

That's right. It's his favorite player in the draft. Yeah. Well, we'll get him. I'll get him this week. Let's get him this week. That's great. Cole is Nuski.

I love the note in the draft guide. He got married in 2023. Uh-oh. How big is his bed? don't know North Dakota State this could be a concern now no relation to Stefan

no I believe they looked at look into that this is exciting yeah he's he was a good player he led all of Division 1 interceptions back in that 2023 season was a first team FCS All-American

he's been productive basically since the jump he was a backup his first year in 2020 but finished fourth in the team in tackles as a star harder in 2021. Got heard. Only start came in the national championship game in 2022. But then after that,

was outstanding whenever he was on the field. He's a good player. I like that. That's great. That's surprising. Now, big question is, how is he as a podcaster? Can he be an exciting mic?

We'll have to find out. We'll see if he hits a podium. What kind of, what kind of communicator he is. Very interesting. He has been a starter on all four special teams units in his career which again I think that gives him staying

power, sticking power in the NFL. You know, I think he can contribute in that way. Yeah, I like the player. It's a fun one. That's an important thing, Randi, you always point to like if they have special teams value gives them more chance to hit their upside. Yes.

That's an important thing with him for sure. That's a fun one. Yeah, I like this one. It's not, I mean, real chance to make the roster. that's the yeah kind of makes up for the uh eli haydnreich pick i think that's okay yeah i mean it would be nice to get them both but yeah yeah i think that's yeah they've righted that wrong cole was newsky you and howie very exciting same eye for talent well let's not go that far

let us know in the chat what do you think cole was newski all right yeah yes i know he's saying that howie isn't quite as good as him that goes not saying we didn't that is not what i'm saying the joke we all knew where he was going with that one uh all right two picks left and we're there coming in soon yeah 251 and 252 already the eagles are coming up uh at 257 right now so when the eagles are like one pick away i promise we'll go to another 10 minute break okay guys sound good yeah you know uncourateful bastards uh all right cole wasnuski is this your favorite pick of the eagles draft so far No

No, I like Markle Bell I was excited by Markle Bell Okay You like Mikey Lemon I like the picks today Yeah, I like the other two Davey Fix

Right Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Cole is Nuski. All right.

He's going to be your camp crush. I can already tell. Well, I don't know that he can be. Because I already like him. That's got to be someone new. Yeah. It's got to be me following the eyes.

But no, there is a possible if he is, if he blows me away, even more than my expectations. It's possible. All right. A fun pick. Is there another coal they can draft?

Hamels. Let's say. Let's go to the draft guy. Yes. There's a couple. We got a longhorn, the nose tackle, the big boy,

6-2, 346 pounds. Cole Brevard. And at linebacker from Central Florida, 6-1, 234 pounds. Cole Kuzlowski. Couldn't help you there. That's it.

There's the goals I got. They're cornering the mark. Coleslaw. I hate a coleslaw. Yeah, I'm not a big fan of a coleslaw. Mayo-based coleslaw. I'm okay. Vinegar-based coleslaw, I'm out.

That on both. The only time is like if you're adding it to like really heavy barbecue, like a brisket sandwich, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's an okay, you can't guess, but yeah. Like, like, diner coleslaw aside. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. Make me vomit. Totally out. Yeah. Low ceiling with the coleslaw. You're not getting like great value there. Yeah. Very low floor as much.

Very low floor, yes. All right, four picks away. What's beyond players, what's a thing that you would like to see them get? Just a... A specialist. Yeah. A long snapper. I mean, is Cody Hardy still out there?

I know I'm not supposed to say players, but a blocking tight end. Even out, even not being on brand for myself, I do think it is something that they could add. that would make a lot of sense. Balance out the Eli Stourer selection. Isaiah World's still out there. Yeah, they can do that. I like that. Seventh round pick,

get to just be the one to be able to hold them on IRR for a year. I could see that. I liked Isaiah World, Fran. When I watched him, they brought him in for a pre-Jab visit too. It was one of those where like the first, like the first time you see him pull across the formation,

it's like, wow. Like, it just about jumps out to you. I don't know. I don't know if I ever felt that way. Yeah, I don't know. I like them more than I'd, he's like my Tanner Coziel it's like am I the only one

that thinks of this guy? No, Nate Tice loves Isaiah World. Yeah, I thought he moved incredibly well at that size. He had him as like a top 25 guy coming into the year. Yeah. He loved him.

Maybe I watched his 24 tape then. Did you watch Nevada? He was at, no, I'm saying like he was at Nevada before this year. He was at Oregon. Yeah, so he was only at Oregon this year. Okay, yeah. I wouldn't mind Gillenborg.

Oh, I liked Gillenborg. Yeah. You see the one I sent me? you? I think it was, yeah. When it was at the Combine? Yeah, Bentley. Yeah, Bentley's still there. Eric Rivers is kind of fun. Yep.

Man, sport got picked over. Just like looking at some of these names. Michael Trigg is still there. He had one of the best, like, individual reps of anyone in this class. He had the catch against, like, I don't remember who it was in. Like Houston, maybe. Down on left sideline, vertical route, outside the numbers. And it was like a back shoulder.

And he just like one hand stabbed, just like, snap. that like made it look easy. He's pretty athletic, phenomenal hands, former basketball player, but he's not a good blocker and there's like off-field stuff you gotta work through. Not surprising that he is not drafted yet

despite the ability. Chris Hilton is a receiver that I'm surprised hasn't gone yet from LSU, speed guy. He's the one that participated in every All-Star game. Really? six all-star games six of them first player ever to do that what he was at every single all-star game

football guy right there I'm shocked that he has not gone based totally off that yeah does the jaguars have a pick no the jaguars are done I gave him to the jaguars because I was like I could absolutely see their GM and coming up and saying like he's revolutionized the pre-draft process there's carson Ryan another tight end off the board Jeff Caldwell 6 5 yeah or 3 out of Cincinnati. Yeah, his tape just wasn't good. Yeah, but is he a, like a seventh round? Yeah, he is.

Yeah, right, he is. Real Danny Gray out there. Danny Gray was a third round pick. Yep. I'm saying, I know, but I'm saying like, yeah, the Danny Gray third round pick. Danny Gray is the one I don't know what I probably said this on the show before. He wore 41 for a while. And like, if you just like, you know, did that.

Oh, AJ Brown. He was AJ Brown. Yeah. I mean, he doesn't do anything else like AJ, but he kind of looked like AJ. Oh, Gary. No smire. No, smire went?

Oh, it's a Kansas city. Nice. Andy is someone that would just say like, our coach son. And also they did

Trey Smith, though. They will, yeah. They have shown that late they maybe will let,

pull the red flag off if there's a guy who's high enough. All right. So one pick away from the Eagles. Last guy on a tier that I had.

So you got me, Lindsay? Oh, geez. Okay, here we go. It's not my best. This is a straight fox.

Or straight face. Uh, okay. Three. Hold on, hold on. Okay, ready? Hard to believe that fifth round pick, Cole Payton has any chance of pushing Jalen Hertz

for the Eagles' starting quarterback job. Until you take this into account. Eagles use a seventh round pick on Cole Wisniewski going back-to-back Coles. Is that a sign that the team is four to five pushing their chips in behind Cole Payton? they just like the name that much? I don't know. Not my best. You've done better.

Winsniewski? Okay, hold on. Did Jalen Hertz play with Stefan Winsneux? They did not. No, I don't know. Sleep or sell? Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I definitely do want to go to break right now

just to piss people off, but... No, you would never do something like that. All right, here we go. Here we go. All right. Apparently the clock ran out on them But they have the back-to-back picks So they might just go

Uh-huh nice Give me Unless there's a trade That um yeah because they're on the clock right now Give me somebody fun So they might just go back to back or there would have been a trade So we'll see I didn't see who the Ravens picked yet

Levy on Moss I think Levy on Moss would be fun But I don't think they need to use a draft pick on them necessarily but actually is going on right now what is interesting is oh man it's bernard they're taking bernard they're taking bernard wow all right so let's pull up the numbers yeah uh good for them all right so Nigerian native he's a two wait is he no i got the wrong one here i'm sorry um sorry okay six four and a half 306 pounds 11 inch hands 36 inch arms 6% body fat at that weight

vertical jump 39 inches and broad jump 1010 his 40 yard dash time 4.6.3 and he is thought to be a defensive tackle defensive tackle is what they expect I want to put him in let me put him in here give me those numbers one more time okay six four and a half okay three hundred and six pounds with 11 inch hands and almost 36 inch arms. 36, so what is it, 35, 7, 8th or something? It's easy, yeah. Is he going to be in mock draftable?

There's an article, I'm going to retweet it now. Bruce Feldman from The Athletic, did a whole big piece on it, and it's really awesome. What's the 40? 463. Okay. Do we have his jumps? 10, 10, in the broad.

130, okay. And then, where's where to? 39 inches in the vertical. Okay. Let's see here. That's very fun. All right. 130 inch broad jump is 10 inches better than the best of any of the elite defensive tackles.

JJ Watt at 120 inches. That's insane. Clinton Hurt has quite the opportunity here. The vert was 37 and... And, I mean, it's ridiculous numbers. Like, yeah, those are the best. Yeah, ridiculous. I have to look.

I've got to put it. I'll put it in and I'll, those are by far the best of both jumps. And the 463 is also the best. And the arms, 35, 7, 8s. The arms are also the longest. Yeah, it's insane. He's insane.

He's an alien. Yeah, superhero. I say superhero. Let's do it. That's fine. That is like worth the price of admission at training camp. That is awesome. They really have built such a fun training camp.

Yeah. Draft class. Like all of the guys. Man. What a great story, too. Really great. Yeah. I'm waiting on the next pick.

Let's do a week in Nigeria. Good calling you, E.J., you wanted this one. Said that this felt like an Eagles type pick. Obviously, they have the success story. Surprise you didn't take him and all you know. Yeah. Wait, I thought I did. I think you talked about him.

You talked about it. Man. That would have been the win. Well, actually, this is huge right now. They're talking about how you know. Anthony Lucas still out there. This would win it for me if they took Anthony Lucas. Don't do it.

Oh, no. The ad dresser Anthony Lucas. Don't do it. What they are doing now is they are calling guys they want to sign. Yeah. And finding out if they want to go somewhere else. So they'll draft someone who's not going to sign with them. Yeah.

And this is where the traits you guys come into play because you don't want to have to try and get no competition with another team for this player. Man. I'm just excited about. Who are? That's great. That's very cool. It's a great story.

Oh Jordan my lotter is nailing this guy too Man get that kid next to Jalen Carter Jordan Davis That's fun That's your moor honestly That's your moro

Like that's the moro That's the moro That's the moro And you put an alleging Yeah Oh that's great That's the moro This is the moro Joe MoMA pick

That's fun That's really cool Who are Bernard Man Do I go and put him It's never played football before So I go and like put him into the, that's the thing, like putting him in the draft guide. Like, it's not like I can add like football notes or anything.

Right. Kishon James Newby is the pass rusher. James. Keyshon James Newby. Him I don't know. So he's a very small pass rusher. Was down to the, another shrine bowl guy. Was that the shrine bowl?

Kind of viewed, this is like a Kyron Johnson, Patrick Johnson type. Okay, because it's a small edge rusher. Some people feel like he might have to move to off ball. This is right in like how he. Roseman's wheelhouse. Obviously, we've seen a number of these guys in the past. Talked with a member of their coaching staff earlier in the offseason and said, like, yeah, this is a really good practice player.

He's going a million miles an hour constantly, always asking what he needs to do to be able to get better. He's athletic. I mentioned the versatility was really productive as a pass rusher this past season. So, yeah, I think you're kind of throwing him into the mix there. It's a rotational player. We'll see if he can kind of grow into kind of a little chess piece there on the back end. From New Mexico.

Yes, New Mexico. a six-year college player. Three years at Montana Tech, two years at Idaho, then the year at New Mexico will be 24 as a rookie. 6-2-238, like you said, undersized, but tested very well,

453, 33-5-inch, for 10-foot broad, so 120 inches. Okay. I mean, I'd be lying if I had an opinion about him, but yeah. Yeah, I mean,

makes sense. Take a flyer on day, in the final round. All right. I'm still excited about the Who Are Bernard thing. I mean, as a journalist, this gets me excited. What a story. We'll see if we get them on Zoom.

All right. Yeah. Let's do, let's wrap this up. Let's talk about the whole class. Give me your favorite pick. Okay. So the Eagles. They trade a third and a third next year for Jonathan Grenard.

And that is your big short-term edition. First round pick, Mackay Lemon. Second round pick, Eli Stowers. third round pick, Markell Bell. Then you wait. You draft Cole Payton, a North Dakota State quarterback, sort of Tim Tebowish, in the fifth round. In the sixth round, who did they draft again?

Micah Morris. Michael Morris. That's right. You know what? I knew that was the one I was going to be forgetting. And then the pick of the night, Cole Wisniewski comes in the second round, and who are Bernard, and now Kishon James Newby.

How do we feel about the class overall? It's a fun class. there's a lot to be excited about. I think that there's a lot of like applicable right now help. And then there's like fun players to dream on. It's a good mix, I think. Okay. I look at Wizniewski.

This is a guy that can chip in right away. I look at Markell Bell, a guy that can factor in the like as the, you know, six, seventh offensive lineman early on, develop into a starter down the line. I think you look at McKay, certainly Mackay Lemon. And then Eli Stowers, like how does he factor into the tight end rotation? There's a lot of guys that I think can help. And then you have these upside players as well. It's a fun group.

We know who your least favorite pick is. Go ahead. Yeah, I think this is a very eaglesy draft in a way that I can get behind. You know, Mackay Lemon is a tangible asset at the top here. But from there, it's a lot of home run swings. It's a lot of lottery tickets is how I will sometimes say. Starting with Eli Stowers, you know, betting on the physical traits and the upside that he has there, drafting an unusual offensive lineman of Markell Bell.

And then I like these day three picks. I like the idea. I like the philosophy of the Eagles take in into day three where they're looking for players that can at least have a shot at starting at some point in their career. And Ura Bernard, as a reporter, I think that is just such a fun story.

It's going to be really interesting to watch his development with the Eagles and see what the development staff there can do with one of the most freakish athletes probably that's ever declared for the draft. That's going to be really fun to watch. I mean, that's going to be really fun to watch. One of the most freakish athletes

to ever declare for the NFL. Yeah, yeah. I can't wait to put his numbers into the sheet. Should we wrap up the games or should we save that for Monday's show? Let's all take a favorite pick. We didn't do that. Okay. Yeah.

Favorite pick. I mean, my favorite pick is Cole Wisniewski. Yeah. That's how I feel about UR.R. It's silly. Yeah, O'R. Bernard's a lot of fun. Yeah. Those are great.

I think realistically, I mean, I guess Markell Bell, I'm excited about that. I mean, I think the lemon process is good. Yes, I agree. I'm not, I'm excited to see him. And also, obviously, this whole draft is wrapped up in, you're expecting some kind of windfall for next year's draft class for AJ Brown.

Yeah. Yeah. And you get the, you get the trade as well for, to bring a veteran pass rusher and a guy that's going to sit at the top of the depth chart. I mean, there's, it was a good weekend for the Eagles.

Eagles are significantly better today than they were three days ago. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. So I like the McKay-Lemond pick probably the most in terms of not necessarily the player, but the process that led them there, not forcing an offensive lineman in that spot. I think that that is good process. And moving up three spots ahead of the team that was going to take them. I think it's a warranted trade-up.

I think that that is reflective of the Eagles organization in a good way. Yep. Patterson with a good call out. Kishon James Newby is probably Antoine Powell Rylund all over again. I mean, just down to the, what a call. What a call. The hyphenation. That's great call. So I've got a quote from Jordan

Mylotta about O'R. Bernard. Jordan Milata? Yes, he says, I Fing him love it. And he said, just got off the phone with him. Really? Yeah. Already talking, which I think is very indicative of what the Eagles have in mind here. This is a guy

that is going to follow a similar path. We'll see if you can reach the ceiling. Obviously, it's a big, it's a big leap, but very fun that these guys are going to be in the same building. That is awesome. Clippable right there. Let's clip that.

What's that? Boom. Nice pole by EJ. F, I love it. All right. Good stuff. In the comments, leave your favorite pick from day three,

just from day three. Favorite day three pick and ask for the lemon party merch. Flip that. Oh, look at it. Great graphic, too. Look at that graphic. Lemming Stour.

Let's look for anything connecting here. They've done a nice job spreading it around. You know, it's not just, you know, SEC guys like they've done in the past. It's not there's, you know, it's not like they're over-indexing on just young guys or just old guys. I think that might reflect good process. yeah three shrine bowl guys two senior bowl guys

couple underclassmen a couple five star recruits yeah you got an international player you got an FCS player yeah this is it's very widespread in terms of like background and pedigree you're what they thought when they saw the workout ooh are so beautiful

to me I thought you were going to go ooh Arbernard Ooh, ooh, ooh. No. Oh, man, we're going to have some fun with O'R. It can be awesome. I feel like we should make it three more minutes just so we can get the seven hours black.

Yeah, let's do it. Then we'll head over to Howie and Nick. Who do you think? I mean, I don't know if I should say who is the biggest fan or a bigger fan of it, but I'm sure Morrow Ojojo Wobo loves us too. Other Nigerian native. Yeah, that's a good call out. Yes, that's a very good call.

Yeah. You're teach him Portuguese. based off of no help no help on the field yeah yeah give him some financial advice yeah lots of financial advice lots of uh oh all right so oh man what a story that could be oh my god sorry fran i get excited honestly i'm surprised that the the league let the eagles take the guy after they did it with my i would have been shot i would not have been shocked for that guy went in the sixth round yeah because uh this draft uh like jeff cavanaw d ls is going to be so pissed that the eagles i did up because he wanted him on the cowboy so mad at a day who's like oh of course the eagles are going to

going to take them and I was like ah we'll see we'll see I was downplaying it um that said let me ask you guys this question what do you expect what position do you expect the highest build udFA to be hmm we're sort of talking about that hi dad yeah we get that meaning like the highest ranking or highest like the highest guarantee um take it however you want either one works I mean, I would say running back if this wasn't such a bad running back class. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, I think they would like to bring in a guy. Yep. Here's Dionne Berks. Maybe. I think tight ends is a good guess. Tite ends a good guess. I could see them. If Isaiah World doesn't get drafted,

I could see them. Isaiah World is definitely a good one. Yeah, I think you could say corner maybe. Yep. There's not a lot of guys. And there's not a lot of guys at linebacker either.

No. linebacker, there's a few names that I think could fit what they typically hunt up. This is where the tough, the scrappy, instinctive, like my guy, Tori on York, like, he is, that is an Eagles type, free agent, UDFA. I would look at it for Tori on York for an eagle. All right. Cody Hardy. Cody Hardy.

Curtis crossed. That would get me excited. You're walking down the street. with Uar Bernard, but then there goes Cody Hardy. You got Megan the Stallion with you. That's topical.

All right. Well, thank you, everybody, for being with us all weekend. What a fun time it was. Three nights, three days, from Chickies and Pete's and Marlton to the Eli Stowers pick last night to the seven-hour marathon on this Saturday,

Eagles with Mackay Lemon, Eli Stowers, Markle Bell, Cole Payton, Michael Morris, Cole Wisniewski, UR. Bernard, Kishon, James Newby, and Jonathan Grenard. A lot of fun talking about it with you guys. Thanks for all the love in the chat. Comment below, please. Hit the like button. Yeah. Thank Lindsay.

In the comments, please. Because she was on fire this whole weekend. Did such an awesome job. Crush the soup draft. Thanks, AJ. I mean, I think we all know I won the soup draft. That's one thing we do.

We actually do all know. You cannot win the soup and the app draft. And last thing, I mean, listen, I've been gazing up a lot, but what a pleasure. Yeah. What a joy to be able to go through this whole thing with you, Fran.

I mean, you know so much about every single person who goes off the board. Not only do you know it, You can talk about it. You can do it entertainingly. You are a star. Thank you so much for spending the weekend with us. Thank you.

It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. It's always sad. I always feel sad at the end of the very end of a draft. But it's fun. Now it's like excitement because I get to start the next group. I'll start 2027 here in a couple weeks. All right.

Sicko, man. Sicko. And guess what? We'll be back on Monday at 2 o'clock. No rest for the weary. Thank you so much, everybody, for joining us all weekend long. Hit the comments, please.

We'll see you on Monday at 2 o'clock. And as always, we love you.