PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Draft: Kadyn Proctor, Monroe Freeling & Draft Tackles To Know | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 15, 2026

Howie Roseman’s likeliest first-round selection is probably an offensive tackle in a deep class that includes options like Alabama’s Kadyn Proctor, Georgia’s Monroe Freeling, Arizona State’s Max Iheanachor, Utah’s Caleb Lomu and Clemson’s Blake Miller. Will the Eagles look to find their right tackle of the future? Fran Duffy is in studio to break down the options with EJ Smith and Bo Wulf. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

A Francis commentator. Oh, good stuff. What did you count did the tweet come from? Hello, everybody, Lime from the Xfinity Studio, and presented by Ashley in Bet365. This is the P.H.O.Y. Eagles show. Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy, E.J. Smith, and a big one coming your way here as we roll on with our position previews ahead of the draft,

which begins eight nights from tonight. You can join us on night one of the NFL. at the Chickies and Peets in Marlton. Yeah. We're going to be live throughout the entire first round, the three of us, and the great Brandon Lee Gouton is going to join us. So we look forward to that. It should be a fun night.

Today, though, we talk about the tackles. And we're going to do this one a little bit differently. Instead of just buzzing through the top 10, we want to really spend some time on the five tackles who have a real chance to become Eagles on night one. this is a in a draft class where everybody's talking about you know this is not a great class

it falls off a cliff guys are going to go top five who might go 25 in a normal class this seems like an actually good class of tackles yeah I think that you know in an ideal world the Francis Maui Noah's

the Spencer Fano's they're not going fifth overall they're going 11th or 13th or 15th but they're still good players that in any draft you're talking about in the top 15 of a class. So I do think that the guys at the very top of this group,

yeah, this is on par with what you would expect from a typical. No, E.J. told us yesterday about your background as a big, strong, powerful man. So did you get a little throwback when you were watching these guys? I love watching tackle prospects, not just because I actually understand, like a very small percentage of what they're taught to do

and are trying to do, but also it's just fun. It's fun to watch these guys. You know, I will use a couple of cliches throughout the show, and one of them is like the dancing bear cliche. I love that about some of these guys. I would say the only thing about this tackle class, little nitpick, like a general takeaway,

is that a lot of these guys do have that, yeah, they might be able to play tackle, but you can let them fail at tackle and bump them into guard if that's worst case scenario. And that always scares me a little bit when you're talking about a tackle prospect that might be better suited inside. And I think that that does come up with some of these guys.

This is not an original take, but I do feel like that framing, you hear that so often. Yeah. I mean, there's 64 spots to be a starting tackle in the NFL. Like, you know, some guys who might be a better guard, as long as they can hang a tackle, that's going to be fine. But with the Eagles, they typically do one, guys who can hang on an island, guys who can hold up on their own. So I think I grade them on that Eagles curve a lot of times. And for some of the, I think that'll come up throughout the show as we talk about some of these prospects. All right. The other thing that I would say is just from a profile standpoint, a lot of the guys who are going to be like top 20 first round picks in this class, they do have some kind of wonky profiles at tackle. That's not really the case. I mean, these are some, there are some arm measurements going on that are minor red flags. But like these are guys who are going to be rookies at 21, 22, who have real starting experience who are big and athletic. These are guys who look the part. Yes. And like did it at a high level program. Yeah. Like, you know, Alabama, my.

Miami. Like, you feel good about where they're coming. All right. Let's go quickly through the top two guys, who I think we all agree, really no chance that the Eagles are going to be involved there. Your top tackle slash guard, which is how you do it, is sort of the consensus two. Although I think there is some public disagreement about that. That's Spencer Fano from Utah, six, five and a half, three 11. He does have short arms. Yeah. 32 and an eighth and nine inch hands.

32 and eighth is shorter than every other elite tackle in in the 30 player sample I have here. So that is something worth considering. But what is it about the kind of player he is, the kind of mover he is that you like so much about Fana? Really quickly on the arm length thing. This has been now two draft classes in a row where the arm length has come up and it's not just an offensive tackle.

Obviously, you know, had the conversation with Ruben Bain Jr. from Miami. You'd have the conversation, Mansour Delane, the corner from LSU. Arm lengths overall at the Combine have been significantly short. It's weird. The last two cycles. From what I gather, NFS, National Folsom.

football scouting, which is the organization that most teams subscribe to, that there are members of scouting staffs that are a part of NFS. They switched or they had turnover, like a scout moved out of doing the arm lengths, and it was a new younger scout that got put in last year. And so the measurements, like it is still like a person, you know, that is doing the, that is doing the measurement. And they came in really, really short last year. It was just because it's like about where you measure from like the edge of the shoulder blade, like an out. and so if there's some discrepancy there. The fact that it was a big story last year with Will Campbell,

who was a top five pick. There were others, and it was talked about, like, hey, like at the Senior Bowl, these guys were here, and then the arm length dropped like an inch and change for a lot of players, and then they go to the pro day, and it's back up. So it was very clear that they were very short at the combine.

I thought there would be, like, an adjustment, and there was not, because everybody came in short again at the combine. And so I will say, and this is how teams are doing it as well, you get measurements, in the spring going into the final season. You get measurements when you go in for campus visits.

You get measurements at the All-Star game. You get measurements at the Combine. You get measurements at Pro Day. You get measurements at 30 visits. You get measurements at Pro Day at private workouts. Whatever the best measurement is from all those touch points, that's the one that's on the final card. So to me, like, if you look around,

you see whatever the best measurement is, that's the sticking measurement for all these guys. Do you find there to be variability in your own arm length? Are you a show or a grower when it comes to your arm length, C.J. I don't measure my arm neck very often, is what I would say. Common misconception or maybe at least a misconception that I had that Fran cleared up for me is I always felt like the pro day results or like home cooking. You know, it's like, oh, like the team, the school wants you to have the best possible results. Fran clarified to me last week because we were talking about this with some of the de linemen that it is an NFL scout that does the measurements at the pro day.

So they are reliable numbers. They're just usually a little bit. No, specifically, Fonno is at the pro day. were 72 and 7 8th. So it was an improvement, but still below the threshold. Right. He does have generally shorter arms. Yes, he's got shorter.

It's all a matter of like, what is the final number? Does it show up on the tape, Fran? I think it does and it doesn't. I didn't see it as like a huge issue, but there are times watching him in the run game where I'm like, oh, okay, like he can be able to be able to be, but he is such a fast Twitch athlete. Yeah.

And he's so fast off the ball that it's not like he's late getting into other guys' pads. he's not late getting into the chest of defensive lineman in the run game. So the fact that he's got that aggressive nature with that first step quickness, that to me was not a big problem for him. And honestly, like I also thought that he had the ability to handle bull rushers well enough. Like I thought he had a strong enough anchor that because that's when you're talking about lack of arm length, that offensive line, offensive line is like man on man, like body on body position.

You want those guys to be able to latch on to defenders and stick, right? Whereas defensive line, it's man off man. Like you want to use your length to deter contact and keep yourself clean. And that's where length can impact both sides of the coin there. I never saw that as a huge, huge issue for Fano watching him the last year or this. Really quick. Shout out to my former colleague, Jeff McLean. He did a film review with Jeff Stoutland about Lane Johnson a few years ago.

And you probably heard Stoughtlin use this phrase before. He described Lane Johnson as like a hovercraft, like where it kind of feels like he's floating above the ground because he moves his feet so quickly. I felt like Fano had some, Fano had some of that to him. where his feet are moving so fast, it almost feels like he's, like, floating a little bit, you know? So the trick is for me that I've always liked with offensive linemen is, and I do it with DBs as well. We actually talked about that last week.

When we talked about the corners, like the similarities between defensive backplay and offensive line play, you're often playing in reverse, and it's unnatural movements. When you're trying to grade a guy's feet, you look at his helmet and his eyes as he's in reverse. If he's all over the place, the helmet's bouncing all over, this is a guy that's clearly, like, stressed moving in reverse.

With Lane Johnson, like when he's, he's in reverse, his helmet is rock steady. Like no movement whatsoever. He's in complete control of everything he's doing. I like that. Yeah. And Fano's got a little bit of that. Okay.

And lastly on Fano, move to right tackle. Yep. To make room for Caleb Loma, who we will talk about in a little bit. But started at left tackle. Can play both sides. That'd be fine. Was a left tackle as a freshman in the Pact 12. Starting left tackle there and then move over to right tackle to create room for Lomo.

What I understand, the staff only felt Lomo could play left, tackle left title was like left handed so they're like oh we're going to keep him at left tackle let's bump fano over he felt comfortable doing it um some people do think with the arm length that he will have to kick into guard a lot of people have made a big deal oh he took snaps at center uh and maybe some people think like oh that could be his best position because of how he moves there is so much more to playing center than just snapping the ball yeah so yeah a top 10 pick on yeah on that exactly um so the other guy here, Francis Maui Noah from Miami, six foot and a half, 329. So he's a little bit bigger than Fano. He's also got relatively short arms, 33 and a quarter, a little bit longer than Fano.

Didn't test in anything else. This is a, this is a mauler, a guy who's got that nasty play personality. But you have him just a tick below. Why is that? Yeah, to me, like, I think he's a really good player. I just don't see like the ceiling for like that, that, like consistent year-over-year pro bowl. I think he can get there. But to me, when I see Maui know, I just see like, Rock solid NFL starter, like long time. And one of the comparisons I have for him was Talisa Fulanga, who was coming out of Oregon State and ended up being, I believe it was the ninth pick or the 11th pick by the Saints.

And the same questions where it was like, oh, it doesn't have great length and his feet are just okay. So he'd probably be a better guard. And he has played nothing but tackles since entering the NFL. And I think that it's the same here with Maui Noah where the feet are solid. They're not special. He's not a dancing bear. But he is strong.

He is powerful. He's nasty. He's experienced. He's a technician. He's really good with his hands. I think that he is the most technically sound of this group. I feel really good. And to me,

like, I've been mocking him going number three to Arizona. Is that ideal? No. Like, you're not spending the number three pick on this, but at the end of the day, like, when we see the,

like, to get solid, serviceable tackle play, yeah. It's very, very hard. And you mentioned it earlier that there are 64 tackle spots in the NFL. If you,

to me, like, the margin for error is so wide. Francis Maui, no, it does not, if he's the seventh pick, if he's the eighth pick, he doesn't need to be a top five tackle to be worth to pay that spot off. He can be the 13th right tackle only and be worthy of that selection.

So I do think that this is just a really, really good player. He was like a very efficient player and that he gets to a spot and he's like, I know you're not going to move me. Like I know once I get to my spot, like I can handle the bull rush, I can handle power. He was fun to watch. To underscore the importance of getting those tackles early, relative to the other positions, this is not a surprise,

but tackle is second only. to quarterback in terms of how early the elite players come, the median pick or where the elite tackles in the NFL come from, the median pick is 13th overall. Wow. Which is later only than quarterback, which is at number seven. That's the sample as Pro Bowl? Or first team all pros. Got it.

So Maelada is on that list. My lot would be on that list. And that thing about how far that sets off the... Yes. Yeah. Then you've also got... You know what? Actually, I don't know that my lot is on the list.

I don't think he made an initial pro bowl. Got it. Okay. You're going to make the initial team. Yeah, yeah, right. And then also the percentage of guys who come in round one, also the second highest, 64 and a half percent of the elite tackles come in round one.

So if you want a guy, this is where they come. But it goes back to the conversation and the thing that Howie Roseman said yesterday, if you reach to fill a need, you haven't actually filled a need. So as much as they would like for there to be somebody here worth taking to be their right tackle of the future, it comes down to the evaluation. Yeah.

All right, let's take our first break here. And then on the other side, we're going to get deep into the five guys who we need to talk about. And that is Maxi Hanachor from Arizona State. Monroe Freeling from Georgia. Blake Miller, what did he do to Fran?

We'll see if we can get to the bottom of that. I mean, something's going on there, obviously. Shout out to the chat. But next, we're getting to Kaden Proctor, who I think is the guy who has been most consistently linked to the Eagles as their type of player. What is it about him that makes him friends?

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352. Big old guy was playing at like close to 400 pounds earlier in the season. Three-year starter at left tackle. But this is not, in terms of the athlete, this is not an Orlando Brown Jr. Situation? No. I mean, in a vertical of 32 and a half inches at 3.52?

That is insane. Real quick, I do a weight adjusted numbers on all these guys. It's got to be the best. It is, it is. So basically what I do for the jumps is I just kind of combine it, like the vert and broad together. Okay. You know, kind of add it up.

And then that is the best ever. and then, sorry, I mean, the best in my sample, which is a 10-year sample of all drafted tackle guards. Lane Johnson at 303, yep, had a 34-inch vert. Yep.

Which was towards the top of the sample. We're talking, he's 50 pounds heavier than that. 32 and a half. I mean, what an athlete. And so then when I go to who else was in that group,

like Tristan Wirfs was up there. Yeah, Tristan Wurps is the guy at the top. Yeah, Jordan Milada was up there, Darno Wright was up there, Armarius Mims was up there. You're talking like, first round talents, like special physical specimens. That's the company that you're talking about here when you look at this.

Okay, so he is an unbelievable force of explosiveness at that size. He is not yet a technician. Not yet, no. I think that that's kind of like what you would say is a little bit of the knock. And this is a three-year starter at Alabama, played for Nick Saban, his freshman year. And then when Nick Saban retired, transferred briefly, went home. home to Iowa was there for a few months, didn't participate in spring ball.

Apparently he got there and realized really quickly, like, yeah, I wanna go back to Alabama and then ended up transferring after the spring semester and went back to Bama. So played for the new staff for the last two years. He played last year, so in 2024, with a bum shoulder the entire season. He heard it in September early on in the season,

ended up getting surgery right after the regular season ended. Looked ridiculous. He was so, so good as a sophomore in the SEC with this bummed shoulder, blowing guys off the ball, just destroying people at the point of attack, looked fine in pass protection. Like,

I've said for a guy this size to move this well with one bad arm to look like this, he was, I think he was a top, he might have been my number two or number three player

coming into the season, just because I'm like, yeah, what's it going to look like with two healthy shoulders? Now he comes in this year and Florida State week one, didn't look good, gave up a bunch of pressures,

gave up a sack or two in the game. It was an ugly, showing and it wasn't great the first month. And I'm like, all right, like, you know, maybe I was just a little bit too high, you know, whatever. And then it starts to turn. It's like, you know, the middle October and you start to see like against Georgia and the film starts to turn again. And he was playing some of his best ball down the stretch. Then you come to find out, oh, well, he was, he was out. He wasn't in great playing shape when the season started. Obviously, that's a question.

So it's like, all right, is there like a work ethic thing, especially with like the transfer in and transfer out like what's going on here like you know is it just makes you ask questions so you know digging around over the last few months not a bad kid not a bad work ethic it's just kind it's similar to jordan davis yeah where it's like yeah like he's got to keep the weight under control and when his weight is down his play is phenomenal and when the plate is up he really struggles to get to his spot and when i think when you're looking we talked about the lelane johnson thing where it's like you're completely under control when you're when you're not stressed that way moving in reverse with him he would be so stressed early on in the season

trying to get to his spot and pass protection he would turn to the sideline which is Cardinal Sin that opens up the inside half the hand placement was really bad the timing was really bad he would duck his head into contact everything was all completely discombobulated when that was not the case

to me like he looked awesome and so I think if you're able to kind of tap into this kid and I get it there's like there's a little bit of boom bust there but if you're able to tap into it It's not a work ethic issue. Everyone loves the personality. Everyone really, and that's, again, like, kind of the Jordan Davis aspect of it as well.

That's why I do think he's going to end up going higher. Yeah. I think he's going to, I don't think he's making it to 23. I don't know that he's making it to 20. Like, he might be out of range for like a realistic trade-up unless you're willing to give up your second round pick and, you know, and change. So, yeah, Hayden Proctor, he's a really good player. If you are projecting him as in the best shape he possibly can be in, how do you feel about, because when I watched him, like, the explosiveness was there, like, out of the stance,

you know, kind of like vertically, he was very, very athletic, but laterally, it seemed like he struggles at times. Do you think that that is something that if he is in the best shape he possibly can be, he can be, you know, athletic enough to be able to move with some of these guys who are going to test him on the inside? I think so. Yeah, I think that when I look at, you know, you mentioned like Orlando Brown, you know, there are guys in the league that are built this way that have like this level of size where they're able to hang and be okay. Is it, like a strength, are they going to move as well as lane? No, but I think that he can certainly play at like a starter level from that pure like redirect

standpoint. And it's funny because like I've talked about like the guard transition with him. I wouldn't argue with anybody who said like, hey, like we just want to put him in a guard. Yeah, he'd be an awesome guard. Yeah, I think he would be awesome there and I get it. A lot of the issues I talked about where like he would get to the corner to, uh, to the top of the rush and would get beat inside. You're not asked to do that as a guard, rather.

You're playing much more at a phone booth. And so if you're saying like, oh, he doesn't have to do that at all. and he could just kind of come off the ball, you know, and just work within a phone booth. Yeah, he'll be awesome there. So obviously, there's just more value. You're getting more out of it if he's playing a tackle. And if you're taking him in the top 10, I think that's where you want him at. He really reminds me of Jordan Davis.

And if the Eagles were to take him, it's a very similar story on the other side of the ball. Because to me, I do have questions as to whether he'd be a tackle in an Eagles universe where they want their tackles top rate on an island, right? And from there, it's like, okay, did the Eagles just use a first round pick on a guard? and the ceiling is informed by the character, can he get himself into good enough shape to unlock the skill set that he needs to play at the premium position? So it's not just like the weight that's a part of this.

It's kind of like the whole story from like, are you going to use a premium asset on a player at a non-premian position? I think he makes a lot of sense for the Eagles because of the same reasons that Jordan Davis made sense for the Eagles. Honestly, kind of the same reasons that Jalen Carter made sense for the Eagles

because of their player development, something we talked to Howie about. But I think if you draft him, if you're the Eagles especially, you have to be okay with the low range outcome being that he is like not your Lane Johnson successor, probably your Landon Dickerson successor, actually. Or he's just your Tyler Steen successor. Yeah, but you know what I mean? Like you're, I think he has a pathway to be like a difference making interior

offensive lineman. And that's why I like use the Landon Dickerson. And it is part of this whole conversation, I think especially with Procter and Freeling. The Eagles and Howie was asked about yesterday will tell you that, that, you know, the absence of Jeff Statland does not affect the way they feel about this position and their confidence and their ability to develop guys. And I think that is true. I think they are approaching things the same way.

Yep. But the proof is going to be in the pudding. And if they draft a developmental type guy and he doesn't deliver, everybody is going to be thinking that. Yeah. I will say in terms of like, you know, spending a high pick on a guard, It goes just like all these other Some of these other spots

But I do think that the NFL We are starting to see some of these guards Like get paid at that Like where you would expect You know if we're talking top 12 Let's say Caden Proctor's the 11th pick Or the 12th pick We have four

There are four guards right now That are paid north of 22 million Which is right around I would say like players that are in that bucket That's where you're talking about Top 10 typically type of selections Four players in that bucket There are 11 tackles

So much more tackle than it goes back to like margin for error in terms of the projection and the evaluation. But there are guards there. Trey Smith's there, Tyler Smith's there, Chris Lindstrom's there. You know, Tyler, I mentioned that, yeah, Tyler Smith. Tyler Smith, Trey Smith, Chris Lindstrom, Titus Howard. There are the four guards that are all in that spot and there are 11 tackles in there. So yeah, to me, like, if you want to take-

importantly, at least two of those guys were drafted as tackles. Yes, right. And that's the thing is like Titus Howard is kind of bounced back and forth. Tyler Smith has shown he can bounce back and forth. They like him more guard, but when their tackle spot is, and when their tackles hurt, he bumps out. So, yeah, the flexibility difference.

So do you think that given the other people who are likely to be available at 23, it would be worth it for the Eagles to move up to get Kid and Proctor? Let's say it costs you both thirds. You keep your two, but you trade both thirds to move up. Would you rather have a first and two-thirds on kid and Proctor

or you stay and you take Ihanature. I know. I went through this in the mock when I actually wrote that exact line. Essentially, like in the mock draft and I'm working on the seven-rounder right now and I had them trading up to take a player that we're going to talk about

and it's like you could make the argument that it's worthwhile just staying put if you think you're going to get Ihanotaur 23 like would you rather have Ihanotaur and this day two pick or the player that you would trade up for. It does come down to like how you just feel about the player and how likely you think it is that he's going to hit. From what I gather, I think I would do it.

I mean, he's my... Yeah, he's your two. And I think he's my 11th overall player. And I'm definitely higher on Proctor, I think, than the consensus. I believe in him. I believe him. Okay. Let's close the book on On the Clock,

presented by Ashley for Caden Proctor. I think let's save Freeling for After the break because I think that's another in-depth discussion. Let's talk about Lomu. Because I think we can sort of, you know, read a little bit the way you feel about it. You're not down on Caleb Lomu. No. It's going to be 21 years old, 6-6 and a quarter.

313 passes the threshold at every testing metric. It was just a left tackle. Two years of starting experience. Not the most fluid mover. Is that fair to say? I think he's a good athlete. Yeah, I think he's a good athlete.

I think the athleticism isn't a question for me with him. All right. And so why is he a little bit further down your list? as your number seven tackle slash guard. My two hangups, one, the anchor strength. I think people can go right through them. And so I kind of have, that's like, it's like big bodied receivers that can't separate.

It's like, you know, I'm trying to think of other, like, player archetypes like this. I have a blind spot. The tackles that struggle to anchor, and some of them have worked out. I get it, you know, like Garrett Bowles was an old guy that couldn't anchor. Colton Miller coming out of UCLA,

couldn't anchor. Those guys have hit and have become good starting tackles. But there are a lot of ways or it goes the other way as well. We talked about Andre Diller yesterday. I think when you're looking at Lomo, like he's in that archetype of he's got great feet. He's light. He's long. He's like he looks good, but Bullruster can get the best of him. So that's all. Yeah. Push notification. We're looking at the same thing about Caleb Lomo and Rapaport was reporting that he went to visit the Niners, but also that he did spend time with the Eagles as well. Yeah. I mean, to me, like, he fits, like, the idea,

if you think you're going to be at, like, a wide zone scheme, I think that he definitely fits. And he just, he also, like, he fits the profile, right? Like, he's young. Yep. He's got upside. He's long. Like, I get it.

I would get it if they stuck at 23 and they took him. I would get it. Okay. All right. Let's take our quick break. On the other side, we'll get deep into Monroe Freeling. The big fella from Georgia, one year of a starter, but the arrow could be pointing up.

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Good to hear. All right. Monroe Freeling. from Georgia. Yeah, six, seven and a half. 315, big old hands, long arms. Ran a 493, jumped very well. This is an explosive athlete.

Not a ton of experience. One and change years, starting at left tackle. It's going to be 22 as a rookie. Tell us about Monroe Freeling. How much work is there to be done and how high is the upside? The upside is very high. Upside is like enough where,

if you said four years from now, He's the best tackle of the group. I believe it. And that's why I actually do have him in the same tier as Fano, Crocter, and Maui Noah. Like, if you're going on the horizontal board, he's in that same bucket. Right. There's a, yeah, there's a top four.

Yep. And I think the Eagles would love to get, really realistically, one of the two other guys in the top four. And then there's a bit of a drop. Yeah. With Freeling, I actually think that the combine is a perfect encapsulation. And really the big thing was he went to the combine. athletic testing was first, and he crushed the athletic testing,

and he was amazing, like the physical profile, phenomenal, as you mentioned. Then he went through the field workout, and I'm watching every single snap of the field workout. The field workout was a mess. He was, you know, he stumbled a couple times. He got tossed from a drill for not doing it right and had to go back in line and do it again. Like, there was just, you know, a couple like non-finishes through the, so it's like, all right, ugly position workout, which, you know, that's not like a red flag, like,

oh, don't draft the guy, but it's just like, all right, like, this is what we're dealing with. Great physical specimen, high upside, but still needs, you know, refinement is required. So it's, yeah, I think that he needs, you need a little bit of patience. To me, like, I did not, I was late in the process to him because since he did not start last year, I didn't do him over the summer. And the first half of the season, like, wasn't anything to write home about. So I wasn't, like, he wasn't a priority watch for me in like October, November. By the time I get to that stage of the calendar, now I'm focused on senior bowl guys. He declares late. So I didn't get to him until after the senior ball.

I watch him and I'm like, yep, he's in this bucket. He is absolutely like top 15, top 20 player in this class. And in any class, he's a first round pick. Now, how high does he go? Like, there's been buzz about him going like six to Cleveland. I tend to think that the other profiles are enough that, like, a team like Cleveland that does, you know, focus on that kind of thing.

Like, they would prioritize some of these other guys, but not a non-zero chance or not a 0% chance that he could end up going that high. but also if you told me like he got into the 20s, that also wouldn't surprise me either. And so I do think that he could get within striking distance for the eagle. Yeah, he just like, he checks every box physically that you'd want in a tackle prospect in the first round.

Like, and for that reason in a pre, like when Jeff Soutland was part of the organization, it's like, yeah, get this guy in Jeff Soutland's room. Like not maybe as much as Proctor, maybe like the variance isn't as high, but it does feel like he needs to land in the right system and the right ecosystem to like kind of help him with the technique side because the little tape I watched on him he has some like low plays like where it's like man

he was like not only was he not like a difference maker he was like a true liability for them at times but again you look at the profile like I sent Lindsay his spider chart earlier today and two of the three players just as sort of like a yeah yeah just talking ball with Lindsey yeah and the two two of the three comps that are most closely closely aligned with his

testing were Broderick Jones and Tyler Guyton um you know to me it's a good one Tyler didn't make sense to me yeah it's a good one I mean so he's he's my type of player like the physical traits went out for me but Lake Miller's also your type of player for the record he's my type of player because the physical traits jump out but uh yeah watching him you didn't really see that quite yet yeah give us the background on who was playing over him in the beginning of his career like is that is that a minor good one flag to yeah yeah um The freshman, it was Amarius Mims.

Okay. Who ended up being a top 20 pick by the Bengals? Who was the left tackle? He played some right tackle as well. Give me one second. I'll tell you. Amarius Mims, my type of guy. Yeah, though.

Not one I get it. Let's see. Here go. I got you. All right. October 24, Georgia's depth chart on the offensive line. Stay with me. All right.

So left tackle was Ernest Green, who was a red shirt sophomore. He still went. He went back in Ernest. Shout out Ernest. At Wright tackle, it was Xavier Truss. It was a fifth year senior. So Freeling was a true sophomore. So they had the established guy playing ahead of him.

Okay. Yeah, I just said to me, I look at the film and he's all the abilities there to be a really, really good player. And for some people, he has some people's favorite, like, number one tackle in this class. So when you were thinking about tackles and projecting them, what are the things that you feel like are easily correctable, easily developed versus the things that are difficult, more difficult to do

and kind of non-starters. Yeah, I mean, all the physical qualities are the stuff that's hard to, you can't coach a guy up to be able to bend, you can't coach a guy up to be fast out of a stance. Like, to me, everything starts with the guy's ability to get off the ball and that's run game and pass game.

So getting off the ball, explosiveness, fast twitch muscles, like that whole deal. do you have that initial quickness to get off the ball? So starts there, the ability to play with proper leverage, which also gets into like natural bend and things like that. If you see a guy that does consistently play high, which that is an issue for Freeling,

is it a like discipline and technique kind of deal? Or is it a physical limitation? And if it's a physical limitation, that's going to continue to be a physical limitation. You know, and it goes back to like it's not a problem until it's a problem. So to me, like all the physical stuff, that's what that's what i'm hoping to see um but the other aspect of that and it's one of my like one of the things that uh that i look for is like the competitiveness aspect of it so like if you have

the physical tools with the competitiveness sign me up like i'm all full systems go which is why like i'm a big proctor guy like all right he's got all those physical tools he's got power he's got strength uh he's fast off the ball and he's nasty and we'll get after guys love it all right so then if you if you don't have the nasty but you do you do have the physical, but you do have the hit the initial quickness. Okay, I can, I can work with it. And same the other way. Like, all right, this guy's a bulldog, but he's got some athletic limitations.

I can work with that too. If you don't have either, then that can be a little bit of a concern. So to me, yeah, I think you're getting what you want out of Freeland. Fran just described why I've got such of like, why I like both ends of the spectrum there. Thank you. Well, here's the thing is good contact. I want the nasty, but I don't want you to only have the nasty. I agree. That's like the Trevor Penning thing.

Like, oh, this guy, he's beating people up. Yeah. Yeah, he doesn't know what else he's doing. Right. He's getting run, like, Hyron Johnson's running around. Yeah. Like, you need, the nasty can't be your number one thing. Right.

It's like saying a linebacker is great because he's a great blitzer. It's like, all right, well, if that's the number one thing, like, you know, there's something, you know, you're missing some things there. All right. Let's talk about another player who I think we have spent a good amount of time on over the course of the past couple months. And that's Max I Hanachor from Arizona State, 22 years old, 6-6-321, long arms, good athlete, new to the game. Yep. Didn't start playing football until junior college.

Yep. And he's got two years as a starter at Arizona State, not even? Two years plus, actually. He started five games in 2023. Okay. This is as how he said yesterday about Dantean Wicks, an arrow-up player potentially. But, you know, at 23 overall, is that, is that a, again? gamble worth taking. You tell me.

I think in this class at 23, I'm okay with it. I think in any class, he's a first round. He's a little bit low down on your, a little bit. Only because, like, he is in that developmental stock. I don't know if I feel good enough to say, like, oh, yeah, he's definitely going to hit. Like, that's where, so, like, I mean, like, I have it with, he's in the same bucket as Lomo. I have a higher grade on I Hontachar than Lomo, but he's in the same bucket as Lomo because I do have quite, like, it's, it's not a foregone conclusion that he's definitely going to hit. Now, I love the physical. traits. You talk about like the size, check. Athleticism, fast twitch, explosiveness, check.

Strength, check. Power, check. Like, competitiveness, check. All that's there. Technique can still improve. I think, like, in terms of like the, all the mental stuff, like recognizing things, all that can definitely improve, which is understandable. Guys is like new to the game. Position versatility, question mark. He's only played right tackle. So, like, can he play any other spot. Like that's a question. But outside of that, like, you know, I feel really, really good about the player. And again, in like any draft, I could see him going 28, 31.

Yeah. But in this class, yeah, like if he went 22, wouldn't shock. Okay. You can, more so than the rest of the guys, you can watch a cut up of him that makes him look like a top 15 pick or a top 10 pick, in my opinion. Like, he looks awesome in the right usage. If you pluck the right plays. I watched him against Bailey against Texas Tech

and I thought he looked like a work in progress He didn't look like chaotic or you know It wasn't as bad as um who were I mentioned earlier Was it Freeling? That was really struggled Lomo that really struggled against him He seemed better than Lomu Yep

In that very specific matchup But I liked him I really again like you can see the upside The one thing I wanted to ask you Fran Is like he's got like the former basketball player Like is he nasty enough? Yes I guess where do you fall on that

That is a valid question where he sold me was at the senior bowl where that group, that O-line D-line group, it was like fist to cuffs every day and he was in the thick of it. Okay, amazing. I was down there on the field for the last day. Yeah.

And he was, he was getting after it. So, like, didn't back down. Like, we've seen some offensive linemen, you know, in practice where, like, maybe things get a little, you know, there's some, there's some tussling going on. And then some guys want that smoke and some guys don't. Yeah. he was off for it.

So yeah, he won me over in that area. He checked the bucks. And this is why we ask you this question. Is he for you, EJ, would he be your number five guy after the top four? Would you prefer him to Lomu and the dastardly Blake Miller? Yeah, I would say he's my number five guy. Yeah. I, listen, I defer to Fran for most of this stuff.

But yeah, I like the traits, you guys. I like, especially in this class, I like guys that are like, he can play tackle. Like I don't have the worry about having to bump him inside after he struggles in his first couple seasons. Okay. All right. Let's take our last break on the other side. We will get to the bottom of whatever it is that Blake Miller did, if Fran Duffy, his family, the Temple Owls, whatever it is, we're going to find out.

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6-6, 3 quarters, almost 6.7, 317. This is a four-year starter at the prestigious Clemson University. Most people have him as a first-round prospect, top six, top seven tackle in the class. For Fran, he's tackled. guard number 93. That's right. Undraftable grade. That's not true.

But he is very far down there. He's outside of your top 150, I believe. Yes. I have a backup. What did he do? I have a backup grade on him. You have a backup grade on him. I can only, and I am on board with you here.

Right. If he has ever at any point in his life, thought fondly, talked to. No. No, no, don't do this. Looked at Steve Adazio? Oh, he's off my board too. Okay. Is that what's going on here? No. Oh, okay. No. I actually don't think so. Let me check.

No, there's only one guy, I believe, who has an Adazio connection. Yeah, it was... Sontas, who I like. Yeah. Good player. Okay. Tell us about Blake Miller and why you think he's UGLI ain't got no alibi. He's looking at Blake Miller's recruiting. His recruiting pace to see if he got me nefariously. offers.

That is where I go to, like, check all that stuff out. All right. Four year starter has played a ton of football. Never missed a game. Never missed a practice. So it's like the Ironman stuff. E.J. loves that. Quintessential, like, exactly.

This is right up E.J.'s alley. Quintessential, like, tough guy. Like, all those aspects. Like, everyone loves the intangible aspect with Blake Miller. You know what you're getting, like all that stuff. Where I just struggled is, I didn't. We didn't see, you know, we talk about it with Proctor and with all these other guys, there was like some elite physical trait that got me excited.

Whether it's power, whether it's size, whether it's athleticism, you know, the anchor strength, the whole deal. I thought that, and again, this is based off the film, I thought the athleticism was solid. The strength I thought was okay. He's not a power guy. So he's like not skiing, you know, he's not a guy that's going to move people off the ball. I thought even like technically like technique wise

it was like just okay run game I thought was worse than pass protection I thought his finishing was like okay he's only played right tackle just like yeah to me like there was there was nothing

there was nothing there for me to get super excited about and the way I view a player like this is like yeah he he could become a starter like it's possible that he becomes like a a low end like starting right tackle in the NFL but I can get that I don't want to spend the 28th

pick on that. I have one, go ahead. I've got a rebuttal here. Okay. Because he is, I, I liked his tape.

When I watched him, I enjoyed it. Is he, is he not Monroe Freeling with more of that, like that shaky tape? He's played more than Monroe Freeling. But like to me,

they seem similar in that they have the physical traits that say, okay, this guy can be a difference making tackle the NFL. No, I think his, I think his traits are so much better

on film, Monroe Freeling. Yeah, to me, like, I did not see next level athlete on film. And even like, Here's the thing.

Like everyone uses RAS right now. Yeah. It's not that I don't, it's not that I dislike it. I think that there are things about, I think that there are RAS where I'm looking at right now because I do weight adjusted for every single number and he's above average across the board,

but somehow he has a 994 RAS. And it's like, why? Why? I don't understand like how that. Literally every number is above average across the board from a way. The only thing that was like was good was the jumps. Yeah, I would say it was a good jumps or the jumps were good. The jumps were good.

Not great. They were good. Everything else was like solid. Again, he's played a ton of football. There's a lot to like. But that said, like, for a guy who has started 54 games, that was like one of the things. Someone asked me this was like, oh, like, yeah, I see. You don't really like Miller, huh?

Did you watch the bowl game against Penn State against Denny Dennis Sutton? And I'm like, yeah, he has started 54 games. You're telling me that his 54th start is the one that's supposed to swing me? Like, for a guy that has played as much as he has, the technique is not where I want it to be. Like so I'm like, if it's not going to get better. I think that's a fair criticism. I'm curious about the process here because you know that you're out on a limb. Yeah.

On Blake Miller relative to everybody. So I imagine you have revisited Blake Miller. I have several times to be like, okay, let's see if I'm missing. Like how many times do you think you've watched Blake Miller? Three separate occasions. I can tell you, three separate occasions. And so I see a backup tackle. You know, but this is what Fran said at the beginning of the show.

This is the type of player that Fran would be lower on because he does not have exceptional power. doesn't seem like he's got a great anchor. I think the reason why, like, somebody like me would be like, you know what, I could see it with a guy like him is because you see the upside through the traits. But I think, to your point, Fran, if he can't anchor ever, then he's not going to stick in the NFL.

So I think it's fair. And, you know, this is why we love the diehard draft guide. You're not getting consensus takes on this. You're going to get Fran's real opinion. And I appreciate that. Look, if he goes, let's say he goes 26th, right? He goes 19th, whatever. If he goes somewhere late first round,

he's going to get a runway, right? It's like, all right, like, he gets a little bit stronger. I don't want to hear like, oh, like, he gets in an NFL weight room. He's at Clemson. Like, they're not,

like, yeah, he's a starter at Clemson. He has played plenty. He's been in an NFL quality weight program. Like, you know, now next time a Clemson offensive lineman hits the NFL will probably be the first. Like, are the only guy,

the only time one has really stuck has been John Simpson at guard in the last few years. You know, so this is not a program that is known for turning out NFL talent. Now, that's not a reason to dislike him, but to me, like, I'm looking at Blake Miller. I just don't, I don't see any special physical quality to get me excited about. And yet, there is a real possibility that he becomes a Philadelphia Eagle.

I would be, I would be really surprised if, if the Eagles thought that. It doesn't seem like a Howie type of guy. No, it does not. Yeah. It definitely does not. Depends on who's there, I guess. Like, but the other guys we've talked about feel more like Eagles type picks. Okay.

To me, like, he's an Eagles pick because of like, hashtag dog mentality and that he tested well enough. This is a Nixiriani pick. That would be it. It is not, you know, this is a guy who Howard could draft in the second round. He's not going to be there. But the type of player he could draft on the second round, this is not the kind of athlete. No.

That Howie Roseman uses a first round pick. I would be really, really, really surprised if he was the, if he was the Eagles first round pick. Okay. I agree with that. All right, let me ask you, let's do a quick little exercise. I'm going to ask everybody to name one other. tackle who you think screams Howie screams Eagle. Okay.

And then we'll all say it at the same time. I want to see if we have any overlap. Okay. Do you have a guy in mind? I've got, I've got somebody who like, I don't know if I think like, oh man,

the profile screams Eagles, but I've got my reason to say it. I'm good. Okay. Ready? On the count of three. Three, two, one. Mark Hill Bell.

That's very funny. You went to? You went to? Yeah, good. Mark El Bell. All three of us. 22 years old. Nine and a quarter.

3.46. 36 and 5 eighth inch arms. That's longer than any other tackle in the sample of league players. And yet he's got only nine inch hands, which I find. Which is kind of funny. Fronts of 536. So this is a guy very developmental. But the planet theory, there's not a lot of guys built like this.

who can move like this from Miami, I should say. Tell us about Markell Bell and why he could make sense in who's going to be either in the third round. I think he's probably third round. If you told me he went that third round pick, if you told me he went in the late second round because of position scarcity, I would believe it because doing this mock draft exercise.

Like, yeah, it dries up pretty quick a tackle. We should mention Eagles pre-jraft visit guy. Yes. So the Eagles have had him in, which is usually a good indicator. Junior college, first couple years. So played there in 2020. 22 at Holmes Community College and then moved on to, yeah, still was at home.

So he said Holmes in 2022 and 2023 went to Miami in 2024 and was a backup to Jalen Rivers, who was a draft picked by the by the Dolphins last year. And by the Eagles pre-draft visit back then. Right. So he backed up Jalen Rivers while you had Maui Noah on the other side. So this was his first year starting at left tackle. So you got one year starting experience at the college level. I actually thought that he was more refined than I expected going.

I expected it to be a little more up and down, a little bit more volatile. And I thought that he was, at the end of the day, it is kind of like Orlando Brownish, where it's like, he is so big and so long, and he's not a bad athlete.

It's like, guys can't get around. Yeah, guys can't get around them. It should usually give you two and a half seconds. Yeah. Did you see what my comp is? No. It's the same comp as Brandon Thorne. I mean, we had it separately,

and I was so happy that it's actually a former eagle. So that that should narrow it down, I give you a big hint like King Dunlap in a big way. It's King Dunlap. Who became a starting tackle. And he's heavier than King was, at least in the beginning of him.

King filled out by like year six. Right. And he was with the Chargers. Yep. Real sick. As well, no, I did not like King Dunlap.

Watching the Eagles as a kid. Just out on him. You're a hater. I mean, it was a seventh round pick was an unbelievable. It was like it was like 13 years old. I didn't care about the process that they got him.

I cared that he couldn't hold on the edge. Yeah. A podcast. That's right That's right I don't know Yeah I like Markill Bell

Yeah I tell me like Traits He had so Plays in the National Championship game Days later You know I guess it was like

In the eight days Nine days later Is in Mobile The Senior Bowl So you know It was one of two hurricanes To go through The Allstar game process

A lot of those guys said No Indiana Same thing A lot of those guys Didn't go through it So shows up at the senior ball And gets posterized First Fleigh

One on Ones Oh yeah Derek Moore Yeah So Derek Moore puts his foot in the ground, bull rush, and just, like, flattened. Yeah, it was bad, went viral, whole thing. So you would think, like, all right, like, bounce back. It was awesome the rest of the week.

So everyone would be like, oh, yeah, Markell Bell was brutal in the senior ball. He had that one rep. And honestly, there was like, I know he was, like, changed, like, trainers throughout the process. There was, like, consternation about, like, if you are the person, like, if you are his agent, you are his reps, like, why would you let him go to the senior ball days out? after playing in the national championship game, all these other guys have been training for it for weeks. But I think that speaks to the kid too.

I think that speaks to like competitiveness. And I think that other, I think NFL teams are like on the lookout for like markers like that. Yeah. That kind of speak to like the work ethic and love for the game and all that. That's how he was talking about it yesterday. When he was when he said the thing about that for the first time ever in the NFL, we're asking players to take a pay cut.

Yep. You got to find guys who you really love ball. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's a marker. that could send a message. Yep. Tiny to pick with him,

just tiny. Didn't, like, play with a lot of, like, power. There wasn't, like, a lot of pop, you know, with a guy that big,

you're expecting, like, him to just mall people. It didn't seem like he quite had that yet. I think that, so, like, the way, I think of power is,

like, the classic, like, high school science, like force equals mass times acceleration. Yeah. So it's like,

he is not a, like, explosive athlete. So, like, explosiveness with mass, with size, that equals power. So the guys that are big

and run well. I'm like, yep, there's raw power there. That jump well, there's raw power there. He did not test great. He tested more like the Orlando Brown, like Trent Brown types. Like Trent Brown's another good example of like just a huge body. That's not a great athlete and is like sloppy technique and like, but has started in the NFL for years and years and years just because he can.

And that's kind of how I view Markle Bell. E.J., how do you think someone's asking about Cameron Williams? How do you think that Cameron Williams factors in here? Cameron Williams is not stopping them from using a first time. Yeah, that was what I was going to say. But in terms of, okay, we didn't get a guy in the first round, how much do we need another tackle in the development rotation? You know, do you think that factors?

Do you think the Eagles are definitely going to draft a tackle in the first four rounds? Yeah, I think the first four rounds probably don't have much. Cameron Williams won't have much impact on that. I think once you get into like the day three flyers, like, oh, could we develop this guy? You might feel like we already have a guy in Cameron Williams that we feel good about. But I think in terms of like trying to find potential impact players,

potential Lane Johnson successors, even though I like to separate the two, I don't think the Cameron Williams factors in too much with that, even though they are bullish on them. A few more players to discuss, which I believe, Lindsay, we can do in overtime. Next up is Demetrius Crownover, who longtime listeners will remember from yesterday's show.

Demetrius crown over 6-7-319 and he's off me and eJ's board yeah that's uh eJ hates the stance and i hate the age he's going to be 25 years old as a rookie but he's your uh is your tackle eight yep what try to convince us on mr crown over it's this to me it's the same conversation as markel bell where he is just he's big he's long i think you want to say like he could be fred johnson like uh that's what i thought of fred johnson like i think that's kind of what you're talking about here. Now, I compared to an upside case, I think he could be like a Patrick Paul, who ended up being a second round pick out of Houston. It was a two-year starter down there for the Cougars. And it turned actually had a solid year this year. His second year I'd left tackle for the

Miami Dolphins. So that would be the upside case. But I do think that it's, I would say it's probably more likely that he's more in that swing tackle range. And that's kind of where I have him. I have him graded. Actually, he's in the same bucket as I honature and Lomu, where like I could see him becoming a starter. But I think his stuff is more like technique related, which if he can get it fixed, like I think he could be a serviceable player. But obviously those guys have higher grades. Now he's an older prospect, so you have to take it with a grain of salt.

But he does have like real power to me. Yes. He's got actual play strength that shows up. Are there any other guys? I've got a couple of want to ask you about Fran, but when you watched guys E.J. Who looked good to your eye? The outside of the guys we talked about? Not too much.

Honestly, I spent a lot of time working on the guys. I knew we were going to spend a lot of time talking about. Two players in particular who we know the Eagles have brought in for pre-draft visits, aside from Mark Elbelle, Jude Bowery from Boston College. Yep. And Isaiah World from Oregon, both of them 23 years old. Jude Bowery, six and a half, 318, long arms, Isaiah World, 6,8, 320. He's coming up an injury, right?

Yes. So Bowery, he, you know, he started for, he was the starter at left tackle for the last two seasons missed some time in each of those years. A little bit of a slow burn for me where I didn't love him on film the first time I saw him. And then I didn't love him at the senior ball. I thought he was okay in Mobile, but like didn't like blow me away. Watch him again on film.

And I was like, ah, the first time where I watched him, I'm like, okay, I get it. Because there are some people that really like them was watching him go through the workout at the combine. I was like, okay, like, this guy is well put together and he moves well. Like that was one where I'm like, okay, I could see it. I do think that he's probably more like round three, round four. He has only really played left eye. He played a little bit of right tackle as a freshman in 2022.

But yeah, I think that he's a guy that, like, potential starting upside. Needs a lot of work, needs some patience, probably better suited as a long-term swing. Okay, and how about Isaiah World? Isaiah World, like, so like, you know, like Nate Tice was a fun amusement park. Yeah, right. Isaiah World was, like, Nate Tice was really high on him. There were others in the media space that were very high on him. I didn't see it, like at Nevada.

So he was three years at Nevada. and then transferred to Oregon last offseason. Now, this is the case with a lot of the guys that have played a lot of ball, is that the numbers on them are kind of warped because it's like, oh, like when they played early, they got beat up. So like pressure rate stuff, like sacks allowed,

like all that stuff is going to look really, really bad. And that's the case with World. A ton of penalties, especially early on. Problem is that the penalties have kind of followed him through. He's been flagged a ton. I don't see a high-level athlete. He's another one where I kind of struggle with like, I don't know, like, where it is that, like, you win.

I think he was probably more of a backup player. I have him just slightly higher graded than Blake Miller, where, like, okay, like, he's only really played left tackle. Or no, actually, he played a little bit of right tackle very early on in his career. But, you know, it's mostly been a left tackle over the course of the last few seasons. He's a big kid. He's got better size than Miller. So that's why he gave him the edge for me.

But he tore his ACL in January. He tore his ACL in the title game against Indiana. So this is a whole red shirt. year for him for Isaiah World. You got two more for you. Yep. There's one guy we're missing that there's not up the top. It's like in my top eight.

Caleb Tiernan? Oh, Caleb Tiernan. We haven't talked about. Yeah. Northwestern. Yeah. Let's talk about him. Six, seven, three, 29, short arms.

Really short arms. Good jumps. For his size. Yep. To me, this is the profile of a guy who I could see in the second round if he's still there. I think he lasts that late in the second round, given how early the other guys are going to go. But you are quite a big fan of Caleb Tiern. Yeah, I like Caleb Tiernan.

His played left tackle and right tackle. So there's some flexibility. Some people think that he would be a better guard. You know, I think a lot of that has to do with the arm length issue. He did, like, as I was watching on, like, this looks like a guy that the Packers take in, like, the second or third round. He becomes a starter for eight years, which, you know, Sean Mannion and, you know, some former Packers coaches on the staff.

So, you know, it's possible they could see him that way. I just, to me, like, in the Big Ten, you kind of get put through the ringer from a past rusher standpoint. And so watching him against some of the better rushers on the schedule, I thought he fared pretty well. I thought that he was a, he was really calm and confident. To me, like, he is what, like, everyone wants Blake Miller big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's kind of how I view Tiernan. Like, I don't view Tiernan as a pro ball player, but I think he's like an adequate starter. And I think that to me, like, he, he fits, he checks a lot of boxes where I'm like, yeah, he's not, he's not going to be a top 10 tackle in football. But, uh, I liked him. I thought that he had starting potential. Those arm, that arm, like, really does show up, though. Like, you can, I mean, it's just, it's hard to miss, but I thought he moved really well.

I enjoyed watching him. a guy who if they draft him probably competes with Steen right away. Like I'm curious about what they would do with the development plan. Yeah. If they use the first two-round pick on a player, are they going to just let them focus on tackle and get that right and be ready in case somebody goes down? Or are they going to give them a chance to play right away

and compete at right guard? It's a tough decision. It's tough too because a lot of the guy, you know, if it was Maui Noah, like, oh, yeah, you could probably kick him into guard. Like that's kind of the thought there is that he could be really good there. Proctor, I think a lot of people feel like, yeah, you can put him into, you can kick him into guard. But like, I don't think Monroe Freeling's a guard.

I think he's called to play guard. I don't think I honature is a guard. And the reason I would worry about that is that when the closer you move to the ball, like when you slide inside, things happen faster for a guy that hasn't played a ton of ball. Like that would concern me as like kind of thrown him into the fire that way, especially since he hasn't done it at all. I don't think Lomu's a guard, you know, especially not early. So that's where a lot of these guys, I'm like, yeah, I kind of view them as tackle only. prospects and so that would be that would make it a little bit of a cloud projection okay uh i wanted to quickly hit you on austin barber yep from florida and chris adams from memphis who i know

brandon thorne is a big fan of he got some bad advice in the uh in the run up to the combine somebody should have told them to not run the shuttles and the three cones because that's some of the worst times they've ever seen right just don't run it dude but well they got to fix the they got to fix that whole deal with the the shuttles and the three cones like moving them earlier in the workout because that this has been now the last like six, seven year. It being after the whole TV workout. Yeah. Basically they do the 40.

They do the jumps. Yeah. Then they do the 40. Then they do the field workout. And then they drill. So all the shuttles, like, that's why you see running backs like don't do the shuttles anymore. The one year they just said like none of us are doing it. We are all sitting out. They got to fix it. It's crazy that it's taking this long.

But Chris Adams was solid. I didn't love him on tape. I saw more of a backup player. actually, yeah, he's lower on the stack than Blake Miller for me. I thought that he was like a developmental swing. You like the Blake Miller line. Yeah. I thought he was a developmental swing tackle. It was kind of how I viewed Chris Adams personally.

And then who do we say? Austin Barber. Austin Barber is just kind of like your, because he was in first round mock drafts in the summer. And I did not see that at all. It reminded me of Jack Driscoll. Hmm. I could see that.

Yeah. Because like I thought he was a solid athlete, not a special athlete, not a power player. but he's strong and tough and we'll mix it up. Has played left tackle but I think probably he probably better suited to play guard

but I think I have him listed as like a swing tackle I just didn't see I liked him more than Miller but similar to Miller didn't see like an A physical trait to get excited about. Okay, I mean that makes sense

we're talking about a third fourth round Yeah, yep okay reminder if you miss it at the beginning of the show you can join us on night one of the NFL draft and just say, they will hopefully start a cheer at Chickies and Peets in Marlton.

That's, it's just not Blake Miller, not Blake Miller. I hope Blake Miller has a great career. Miller for the record. Well, yeah, for me wrong. You hope he has a great career that is still somehow the 165th best career of everybody in this class. No, because it's not, you know, like, I hope there's been plenty of guys that I was wrong on. It's like, oh, it's cool to watch that player. And it's, I hope it's a good learning experience for me.

Okay. never root against a guy well I need that for me yeah yeah I'll root against him for your sake EJ anything else no I this has been a good a good exercise for me I would say because I'll be honest

I came into the studio a little bit cooler on some of these guys and you maybe maybe you talked me in on a couple of these guys so did I move the needle for you most on I've really struggled with Proctor I don't know why well I do know why I've struggled so much with him. I struggled with Freeling. Yeah, Freeling to me, he is what he is.

You know, he's like, you're betting on all the traits. Yeah. So, did you like him or Ehanitor more? I struggled a little bit with Ehaniator too. Yeah. I think it's a projection with both. I think it's, I'm more, I just, I don't trust myself. And so I trust you and you can give me Freeling instead. But I am in on Proctor. That experience would be very fun to me. Yeah. I think I, I think Proctor is like long gone by 23. I think that's right. You know, I think him making it past 15 is probably,

like to me like that's the floor is 15, the box at 15. I am just, you know, big picture thinking about who's going to be there at 23. If it's, if it's Ihanachore,

one of the receivers who we will talk about on Friday or like, I don't know if it's exciting. Like I don't think they're taking a safety. Mm-hmm. And if Falk is gone and the top four tackles are gone and Sadiq is gone, I don't know, it's going to feel, it's going to feel a little bit like the wind is out of the sales, I think.

I think they move up. Who they move up for, I think is the more interesting debate. I think it would be about who would fall. I had Freeling falling within striking distance. I don't think he would make it to them, but I had Freeling falling within striking distance. So I had them going up from 23 to 20 to take Freeling. Moving up for Freeling. I think you'd have to.

I don't think he makes it to 23. So if you're going to take him, I think you had to move up for him. Pittsburgh's going to take a tackle. That's kind of what I'm hearing is like that it's either tackle or wide receiver. So you're going to have to get ahead. I think you got to get ahead. So if unless there are two of those guys on the board, like if Proctor and Freeling are there, then it's like, all right, we'll take whoever they don't take.

But then you're hoping the Chargers don't take. So like if Proctor falls to the Chargers, the Chargers could view them as a guard. that we're going to take him and then you're out of luck. I'd move up for, I'd move up for Proctor. I would move up a few spots for I Hanna-Chore. I like him, I like his profile. Yeah, I like his profile more. Freeling makes me nervous.

I mean, he's a fun player, but yeah, it's just, yeah. It would make me, it would make me a little bit nervous in like this post-Jep Stoughtlin world developing a player like that. See, I think the further we've gotten removed from the Stoughtlin move, like the more I'm like, I don't think it's going to, change. I don't think it changes their process. I don't think it changes who they target.

It makes me, it changes how I feel about it. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a move point. I think it's a move point. Interesting. I think they should move up for Sadiq still. After watching the tackles, I still think Sadiq would be, you know, I might do it. How high would you move up? You would take Sadiq over Proctor? I would take Sadee over Proctor. Really? That would take Sadeeke over Proctor. Really? That would take Proctor all day long. Yeah. I think there's enough of a scenario where Proctor's playing guard for you anyway that you take a sure thing, an sure impact player at a non-premium. I don't agree that he's a sure.

Yeah, we disagree on that. The downside for Procter is he's a starting guard. The downside for Sadiq is, he's fine. He's a mediocre starting tightout. I think mediocre might be too low of a floor for him. If he's Isaiah likely. What if he's Isaiah likely? He's souped up?

He's souped up, Isaiah. Yeah, but what if he's, well, what if he's less than he's not souped up, Isaiah likely? What if he's Isaiah likely? I can live with him being like. If he's Chigacanquil, he's better than Chigua. Yeah, what are we talking about really? You're like, like, tight end 13 in the NFL or something like that.

Right. In their, they will do the exercise of how much those downside positions make, right? Isaiah likely made $14 million, right? And if Proctor is a starting guard, that guy goes for more money? Yeah. I'm still, I still lean Sadiq. I mean, the worst case scenario, like, yes, you might be getting a league average starting guard that's worth a little bit more than a league average starting tight end.

I still think, the other thing with Sadiq is that he is a, he is still like, as Fram would put it like a combo tight end. Like you can still, it affords you more schematic versatility, which I think is added value there. But how high would you move up for it?

Like how many picks would you give up for him? Would you give up two thirds? I think I would. I think I would. In this class? I don't think so. But that's the thing about this class is like, you want to make sure you get an impact player.

This is a team that's trying to win next season. This is a team that has a lot of work to do still. I'm saying like in this class as in like, would you rather have, you know, insert tackle and then the third round tight end? Right. Versus in this deep tight end. Would I rather have like Nate Borkature and Kate and Craig Brown?

Yeah. Or would I rather have Kenyon, Sadiq and then, I mean, who would are, like, are we talking Markell Bell? I'd rather have Sadiq and Bell. Yeah. I do have in my mind that that first of the two third round picks, if they don't move around, that is like they're taking the tight end from that second group that they like. Right.

That's kind of how I haven't pegged in my mind right now. Have you gotten there yet, your seven-rounder? No, no. I'm very close to it, but not quite there. I'm going to save mine. I think I want to do like the best case scenarios for the Eagles in the first round or something like that. Yeah. I'm pretty fullback you're going to put in there.

They trade their first round pick for like Charlie Kohler. Would a dream come true for you? All right. I think we're good, right? I think so. Okay. That's all we got. It's a good group of tackles.

Right? Do we have a super chat? There's one. Cash squash. What range do you expect these tackles to go? Is there a world where an early tackle run pushes an excellent prospect down the board like with Quinyon? Yes.

We sort of talked about this yesterday. Yep. I mean, I do think that, like, Caleb Downs is the one where... Yeah. The draft room would be hooting and hollering. Yep. If he came within range. Wait, are we doing just tackles?

Are we talking about that? No, no, no. He's saying if the tackles go early. Oh, okay. Sorry, I thought I was listening to... Who is it that could go? Okay. I don't think Caleb Downs makes it past the Cowboys of 12.

Now, there's been a lot of buzz. I know like, I'm pretty sure. I know Mel Kuiper had the Cowboys trading up. I know I think McShay had the Cowboys trading up, two mock drafts that dropped today. I haven't looked through them, but saw the reaction on social media. Since Will McLeigh has taken over

or is like leading the draft room in Dallas, he has traded up in the first three rounds one time. And it was for Demarcus Lawrence in his second, in his first draft in 2014. They have not traded up on the first three rounds at all since that point. The only time they've traded up in the first round, period, in the last like 15, 20 years was for Mo Claiborne in 2012.

Like they just don't do it. So it would be very against their nature when they're already down like premium picks. I would be surprised if they made a big move up. I'm sure they explored it, but I think I'd be shocked if they ended up doing it. So I do think it's more likely that they stay there at that spot and end up taking a player.

And I actually think there's a decent chance that Caleb Downs does fall. Okay. So is there anybody else who you think would be? That could fall from that range down. that would interest them. Yeah, that's a thing. So non-tackle?

Not tackle. They've one you're hoping for a Sadiq, but again, like, I think the Sadiq range is as early as 13, but I think it's probably more likely like 14, which is Baltimore. I could see potentially Tampa, but I don't think it'll be Tampa.

So it's 14. It's 18, Minnesota, 19 Carolina. Those are the three spots, I think, that you're most worried about. What about Bain? I think Bain is, I'm just going through real quick. I think Bain starts at number nine to Kansas City. I think it could be Cincinnati at 10.

I think it could be Miami at 11. I think he could be Baltimore at 14, and I think that's the floor. Yeah. I think that is a classic, like, oh, like, DeCosta does it again. Like another great player falls to the Ravens. Like I could see that being the Ruben Bain falling spot.

Okay. Somebody's got it. If the four tackles go, in the top 15, somebody gets pushed down. Four tackles go. So you're talking Freeling in that group.

Yes. Right. Yeah. If all four tackles go in the 15, then the one that actually I would have my aisle would be mansort delayed falling out of there.

But again, I don't think that would interesting. Yeah, that's the thing. If he's the fault guy. And maybe, you know, maybe someone takes a corner but they take McCoy over him.

Here's the one. Actually, no, this is the answer. It's Jordan Tyson. So here's what you would need for Jordan Tyson to fall is you need Carnell Tate to fall to New Orleans. Because I think New Orleans is taking a receiver. So if it's Carnal Tate goes to the Browns, then they're going to take Jordan Tyson. If they don't, then I think that Tyson could fall.

I had him going to Baltimore last week at 14. It's possible that he could end up with the Jets. Because of the injury stuff, like some people are going to be okay with it and some people aren't. So that would be the guy that maybe you've gotten. and we will do wide receivers on Friday. Yep. Yep. I think you'll join us remotely for that, hopefully.

But early book is you would be very happy with that, Tyson? It's boom bust. Yeah. I like the player. I struggled to love him. Yeah. Do you actually, do you want to know who my comp was for him over the summer? Hmm.

So off of 2024 film, yeah, off of 2024 film coming into this year. here. Nelson Aguilar. That reminds me, by the way. I need to apologize to the audience. One of the biggest mistakes of my entire career. Oh, oh wow. I really, really am ashamed of this. I'm so sorry. Yesterday, when we were ranking Howie Roseman's draft picks, we included Nelson Aguilor. Howie was not the GM. Chip Kelly was the GM. From me to you, I will do better. I will try to make sure that that doesn't happen again. That is an abdication of my responsibility. I'm sorry. And I should apologize as well. Even though I didn't cover the team back then, I should have

owned that. Yeah, but that's on me. It's on us. Okay, go ahead. Who is your comp? Don Tavian Wicks. Oh, that's interesting. He had a lot of drops in 2024, Tyson did, but you saw like the route running, the play strength, like, but it was like, I don't know if he's a true like three level threat. You know, yards after catch was just okay. So he kind of reminded me a wicks The more I watched this year So he erased the drops this year He was catching like everything

He plays through contact really well And so like if you squint you're like Oh like I could see him being like Jackson Smith And jigba and I'm watching it And it's like oh you're all right I can kind of get there And he gets hurt again It's like oh

I'm a little I'd be a little concerned to take Jordan Tyson That's a that's a boom bust pick He could hit He's kind of he has the profile Of the guys that are hitting In that like in that position right now whereas he's not like a burner,

but good route runner. I'm a little worried about the profiles of this wide receiver class. That's a little preview. Give me a fun discussion. They are all, to me, like they are all

wide receiver like twos, like one B types. Like Cardinal Tate, which is fine. Like that's all he's been in college and I think like that's kind of what I view for him in the NFL. But those guys,

it's kind of like tackle. Like those guys get paid. Get paid for sure. They get paid. So I think they're just going to, they're going to go. Okay. I don't love lemon, but yeah, we know.

I like Concepciona a lot. But if they draft him and you're at the draft party, we can have an old-fashioned lemon party. You're too young even for that. I mean, I was giving him like a pity laugh. Oh, yeah, you don't, you know. Look at up when I know. Just look it up.

Oh, no. Is it inappropriate? No, no. I'm not one of the great. Things that's ever existed on the internet. You know what? It's an awkward transition. But we should talk about it because everybody's been asking us to,

and we said that we would wait until there were actual tangible development. So let's talk about the Diana thing for a sec. Here's how I will start. I do feel like an idiot. Shame on me. I'm serious, E.J. Don't look at me like that. Shame on me in the year 2026

to still be surprised and caught off guard by the level of anger on the internet. That is a bad job by me. And it makes me feel very dumb. As to what happened. Two things. First of all, if it is what it looks like, which we still don't know,

but if that's what it is, it is obviously, crossing a line that merits significant repercussions that are being felt. And it's a thing that makes me sad because it's not just the personal ramifications, but also the unintended consequences for every woman in sports journalism and the way that they are being treated by the very vocal cohort of gleeful misogynists who are like very grossly reveling in this story. Love this.

The combination of anger and, like, revelry about it, it makes me feel very uncomfortable. And that sucks. It's not good. We can have a conversation about, like, insiderdom another day. This is not that, but that is a separate thing. Secondly, as it pertains to the Eagles, as we talked about the other day, I do not believe that this is an Eagle story. and it is possible that I am wrong about this, but I don't think that any of this

means that Diana's reporting about AJ Brown was pulled from thin air. It is reporting that has been echoed by all of the other insiders in slightly more couched language if you've been paying attention and no one invented the notion that the Rams were this close to trading for him,

which they discussed openly at the owner's meeting. Yes. Howie Roseman, Jeffrey Lurie, Nick Siriani, A.J. Brown himself have had all kinds of opportunities to publicly, you know, say that that stuff is incorrect or call it to account. Also, the Eagles are very, very good at using those same insider channels to message their message to the public if they felt like this was being, was it was a huge. mischaracterization of what is going on, they would have done so. Yep.

So I don't feel like this is a thing that is, should make Eagles fans feel some kind of way. I think we are all annoyed by the AJ Brown thing still being in the zeitgeist and waiting for it to play out. I would love to, I would love to have a resolution there. You know, how many times can you and I bet turkeys on what's going to happen? Yeah. It feels like we've been doing it like four times a week for three months. Unfortunately, we have to keep waiting.

Aside from that, it's just a bummer. It sucks. Yep. I think that's incredibly well said. I don't have much to add other than just trying to address both our audience and also like the clip that was recirculated from the Super Bowl. And I think it really boils down to we are always, we always try to be very respectful of everyone, you know, especially in this industry.

and also our audience. And we've been trying to navigate that. And if we didn't know the information that we know now when we when that clip, when we talked in that clip, obviously, that changes things. This was an obvious ethical breach. We wanted to wait until there was more information out. And I don't, I just, I don't want to be, I want to make it clear because there have been people who have reached out to me that like said that we were like dismissive of them.

And I don't, I hate that. Like, I don't want them to feel. like we were dismissive of them. And the last thing I want to say about it is like, if you think that the things that we have said about AJ Brown on the show were solely based off of one person's reporting, like, honestly,

like I just want to make it clear that like we do our own reporting here. Like we talk to people and, you know, I would like to say like, I almost want to be like, forceful about like, you shouldn't watch the show if you think we're basing it all off of one person. Truly. I mean, yeah.

But I'm, you know, again, not trying not to be accusatory here. So I would say like, you know, we are always trying to be respectful of everyone. I also, I don't, I don't have any problem with that clip. I stand by everything I said in that clip. Yeah, I think it's, because it, this is, you know, very, very, very far down on the list of things to be sad about here.

You know, number 1,000 is just as a consumer of NFL media, I, I, you know, I believe that Diana is providing a different service than the other insiders where she is giving information that is not just. being part of league-approved communication. She is willing to report things. Yes. That is not exactly what every team wants her to report. So as a consumer, it sucks. And we were also addressing the vitriol that she was getting online, which is kind of a different thing than people who were just tired of the AJ Brown story.

I think, too, the part that gets lost, and even like there's people in the chat now talking about it, is that there are so many factions that are angry and are vocal about this, right? And so much as you talk about like the vocal, like, and it is a vocal minority of like the misogynistic area of it where it's like, you know, that are just reveling in this because of the dynamic of the situation of a female reporter and a male like, you know, subject source, like however you want to phrase that. But then there's also like, oh, well, this is what that means that the AJ Brown thing is perfectly fine. And to me, like, that's the part where, I'm sorry. Like, we all have eyes. We all

have ears. E.J. just said, like, I have your own reporting on it. Like, yeah, it's not all hunky-dory. There's, it's, it's very clear that this, this situation is coming to a head post-June 1st. And, you know, it's, it's, I lean that way. Everyone's kind of lean that, but he's probably going to get traded. And, you know, all these people, like asking for, like, apologies. It's like, all right, well, after that, like, is that going to, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, obviously, it's not a good look, like Bo said earlier. And like you just said, there was an ethical breach. If we all think, what it looks like it is,

then that's obviously inappropriate. Friend, Diego Pounds, 23 years old, 6.6.325. What can tell me about Diego Pounds. What I would say about Diego Pounds is watching him against some of the best SEC rushers. I like him in Passport. I didn't love him in the run game. All right, that'll do it for our breakdown of the tackles in the draft.

on the PHA of My Eagles podcast. Let us know which tackle you actually want in round one and whether you'd be willing to trade up for Proctor or Freeling. We've got linebackers and safeties coming on tomorrow's show. Can we say who where our guest is? Yeah, we got a Devin Jackson from the Philadelphia Inquirer. Joining us talk about those positions where you need to know how much the guys actually know ball.

Good linebacker class. You like this linebacker class. It's a pretty good group. Yeah. A good group. We got to get out of here. Flyers are coming in. Yes.

What? I'm laughing at you. Got to get moving. I got to get going here. You're right. Thank you for watching the P.H.O.E.E.O. Eagle Show today. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, Fran.

Thank you, E.J. We'll talk to tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And as always, we love you.