PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Draft: Why KC Concepcion Is PERFECT FIT For Sean Mannion’s Offense | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 17, 2026

The Eagles could walk away with an ideal A.J. Brown replacement in the first round of the NFL Draft, but there might be a catch. Bo Wulf, EJ Smith and All-City draft expert Fran Duffy go through a talented class of wide receivers who could tempt the Eagles in the early rounds, including detailed discussions on KC Concepcion, Chris Bell, Jordyn Tyson, and Omar Cooper. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome. P.H.I. Eagles podcast on a beautiful Friday afternoon. We are headed into the weekend six days away from the NFL draft. We're live from the Xfinity Studio and we're presented by Ashley and Bet365. And today is wide receiver day. We're not talking about A.J. Brown. No, no, no. We are talking about the wide receivers in the draft. Will the Eagles make a pick on somebody in the first three rounds or so?

we'll talk about that. Well, of course, bring in the buckets. We also have to tell you that you can join us as we experience everything that happens on night one of the NFL draft next Thursday night at the Chickies and Pete's in Marlton, New Jersey. It's going to be a lot of fun. Me, E.J., Fran, Brandon Lee Gowden, all going to be there, breaking it down, reacting to what the Eagles do.

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All right, E. Jay. How'd you feel going through these wide receivers? Feel good. I enjoyed it. Wide receiver is a tough one sometimes because I feel like there is a higher variance sometimes with the guys you get in the first couple of rounds. Like you do, especially as a person who's covered the Eagles for as long as I have now, there are some scars, you know, the thing that Howard Rosen was talking about where he thinks about, you know, the missed first round picks every day.

You watch some of these guys and you do have Jalen Rager or J.J. Arthago-Wideside. the back of your mind. So it can be a little bit of a minefield, but it's a fun position to watch. And I mean, people, our listeners will know, I get romantic about a couple of these prospects. Oh, my God, the ceiling. I just buy it on some of these guys. So I'm excited to talk through it. If you want to sell traits, this is a time when you can try to do that. Yeah, but you got to be careful selling traits at receiver because there's more that goes into it than that. I agree with you. Now, long time listeners will know that I do like to do the bucket exercise. What is the bucket exercise?

Bobbie buckets. There are three categories that I look at with these wide receivers as we're evaluating where they, what kind of player they are, what kind of prospect they are, what kind of profile they have. Number one, are they fast? Straight up. And to use that, you know, how they tested in the 40-yard dash, did they break 4-5? I have a quick question for you.

And I can see, Fran, so I'm going to ask for a nod or a wave here. do you think that 4-5 flat should count as fast? Should it be 4-5 and under? Thumbs up, or should it be, you got to break 4-5 to be considered fast as a wide receiver? I feel like, yeah, I was going to say. I feel like 4-5 is, it's a little bit of a steeper grading curve than I expected. I think 4-5-5 is still, depending on the body type,

I think 4-5 is still plenty fast in the NFL. So, Fran, you are saying no. You're saying you've got to be better than 4-5, right? Thumbs up? We can't hear you. No, I think Fran agrees with me. This is... Yeah.

Fran is saying you have to break four or five to be fast. Yes. Okay. All right. Okay. That's correct. All right. So we will use that.

Okay. There are a couple players who are going to exact four or five. Number two, are you young? Now, and this is not about age. This is more about the self-selection of, are you good enough to leave early? Okay. Because there are a lot of guys who have these late breakouts. You know, they have their good.

season, but it's their fifth year senior year. So this, historically, this is actually probably a better marker than most other things, about like, are you good enough to believe in yourself? It's evident that you belong in the NFL. Yeah. You declare for the draft. And then the last one is, are you productive? And this is a, you know, we're using round numbers, and I know that that can be a little

bit silly. I have a question about this? Thousand yards. Have you ever had a thousand yard season? That's it. Does the current landscape of college football change your production? creating a little bit because I think there are really good receivers

in this class that are in the 800s and the 800s and as receiver rooms start to like you know the top receiver rooms across college football will be more congested than ever

with the other rules allowing players to transfer and kind of congregate at these big schools does an 800 yard does an 800 yard season mean something different than it did 15 years ago

no I mean I understand I understand the nuance okay that there is something to that. I also think you can make an argument that the current shape, the landscape of the of college football means maybe you should be a little bit more lenient on declaring

early or not. Like, you know, because if you're getting paid to stay for an extra year, a handsome amount of money, and maybe that is a mitigating factor. But no, I am not moved by an 820-yard season from a guy who's supposed to go in the top two rounds of the draft. I think that's fair. I just do think, I wonder, especially a man like yourself who uses analytics, why not yards per route run? Well, I think yards per game would be better. Okay. Yards per route run is, because I want them to accumulate too.

You want them to have volume. Yeah, I want them to have volume. I have yards per route run for some of the guys I'm going to pound the table for, and I hope that that maybe can give me a little bit of wiggle room with that thousand yard receiving. All right. So that means we have eight different buckets. Okay.

How many do you got right there? Let's break them out. We've got, you hit them all, all three buckets. You're young, you're fast, and you're productive. We've got young and fast. We've got fast and productive. We've got just fast. You want me to take that one?

Sure. It's fitting that it's on my side of the table since I am fast. We've got productive and young. That one's a popcorn tin. Man, we got a clear out space. We've got just productive. We've got just young. We're going to run out of room here.

And then, of course, we've got nothing. You don't hate anything. So here's my question for you. I pick up a couple ones here that are supposed to go with the tin. This one goes with the tin. I didn't put it inside the tin because there's old popcorn in there. Oh, okay. Amazing.

question for you, E.J. And let's make this a big takeaway presented by our friends at Xfinity. In this draft class, there are 12 players who Fran and if you go to the Die Hard draft guide, there's the round projection. This is not, these are not Fran's

rankings. These are 12 players who all have either from round one to round two slash three. Okay. Okay. So 12 players that Fran believes are likely to go probably late second round. Of those, 12 players, how many of them check all three boxes? I'm going to guess five. Five. Take a second to think

about it in the chat. How many of the 12 players projected to go in the top two rounds, check all three boxes? Was that being too generous? And this is why I asked you the Mackay Lemon, the 4540 question. Because McCoy Lemon ran a four, five, 40. And if we are not counting him as fast, then the answer is zero. Zero. There is not a single guy. There's only one guy in the whole draft class who checks all three boxes. And that's Chris Brazel.

Yeah, we'll talk about it. Yeah. And we will get to the specific breakdowns of these players. But that is a hint about how I feel generally speaking about this wide receiver draft class. Okay. I think there are a lot of guys here. who have second round profiles who are getting pushed up,

third round profiles who are getting pushed up to the second round, I am pretty underwhelmed with this class of wide receivers. Yeah, I agree with your framing here. There are a few players who, like, I've seen them either projected

to go to the Eagles at 23 or projected to go or even before the Eagles pick, you know, like a player like Omar Cooper. And like, I really liked Omar Cooper when there was like at least an idea, that he might make it to the second round, there's a lot of that. You know, like Jordan Tyson, we can talk about him as a player,

but it's like that injury history, like in the first round, early in the first round. So I see where you're coming from. Man, I'm like kicking myself for guessing that high on that number. Like, how many normally would there be in a normal class? Normally, the guys who are going in the first round, there would be a few. Okay. For instance, I have the numbers on just, you know, how many guys have gone in the first two rounds.

Okay. Over the past few years, this is, I think, the last 12 draft classes. The guys who check all three boxes who've gone in the first two rounds, there are 32 of them. And that is the most of any single bucket. And this year's class is missing those guys who are like prime profiles in every year. You know, these are your Jerry Judes, your Jamison Williams, Malik neighbors, Christian Kirk. But plenty of misses as well. It doesn't mean that these guys are going to hit.

It's only a 53% hit rate. of 32, Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, Skymore, lots of Moors, Marvin Mims, Marvin Harrison Jr., like, all of these guys, they check a lot of boxes. And the guys we're going to talk about as potential first-round picks here, the profiles are a little wonky to me. Yeah, I agree with that. I completely agree that there are, especially when you think about like the top guys that we probably won't even spend that much time on, Carnell Tate, Mackay Lemon, especially, like, I don't love their profiles as like top 10 potential top 10 picks here like I like there's a lot yeah there's a lot of um I'm not gonna like break from fran's rankings a lot today I think he did a really good job with the

white outs I mean I think he did it's a great job with all the positions but um like the mckeye lemon eval like to me is like I just didn't see like a top 12 prospect in the draft when I watched him um and then like if my favorite thing is this has happened a couple of times when I text frayn about prospects. I'll be like, yeah, like, I watched tape and like, I just didn't, like, didn't love what I saw. And then I realized that they didn't test. And I'm like, beside myself. I'm like, and he didn't test. Like, what are people talking about here? So, um, yeah, I agree with you. It's a weird class. Let's close the book on the big takeaway presented by Xfinity, not loving the top of this wide receiver class. And I do think that this is, this has been a

clarifying exercise for me in what I think the Eagles might and should do in round one. Okay. We will get to that when we get to some of the specific players. Let's start at the top. Carnell Tate, guy who's going to go top 10, top 12 from Ohio State. And again, as a guy who's going to go that early, looks like a really good player.

Yeah. I know why he never topped 1,000 yards, because he's playing next to a better wide receiver, right? But that also means that he's getting more single coverage than most of these other guys would get. He is kind of slow. I mean, slow was relative. He ran a 4-5-3.

His GPS tracking was good. Is that for anything for you? He's a power wide receiver. He's going to be a good player. He's fine, yeah. But if I'm drafting a wide receiver in the top 10, man, he better have been the best player on his team. Yeah, or at least like...

I guess I know that that's a little unfair because Jeremiah Smith is that good, but like... A good player receiver too. I'm about to say you think about that Alabama receiver room a few years ago. Those guys still had great production, even though they were all fighting for production. Now, because... Carnal Tate does not have the speed and does not have the production and is just young.

I'm going to let you pick from the just young bucket if we can find it. Here we go. And let's throw up the just young graphic here, Lindsay, on the kinds of players who have gone in the first two rounds with this kind of profile. And you're going to get somebody here. Who do you got? I have Keon Coleman. Keon Coleman. And that's because there have only been two wide.

receivers drafted in the last 12 years in the first two rounds who have been relatively slow and relatively unproductive and that's Michael Thomas and Keon Coleman. There have also not been any late round hits and that is defined by any player drafted in the third round or later who had more than a thousand yards in any NFL season and this goes for not just Carnell Tate but also Denzel Boston. Oh, big reveal right there. Denzel Boston we can talk about him later if you want or do you want to talk about them now but we can talk about them later but there you go

there's your carnal thing whenever i break whenever kean coleman comes up on the show the cam newton clip just populates my brain you do a good job with that one you're supposed to be our number one but you're playing like a bomb so is that the future for one carnal date all right now there's a super chat from yonis

who says in the interest of fairness bow QB play matters and and I understand that And I think that is fair in a micro sense. But all of these wide receivers are mostly playing with mid-quarterbacks. And you also have to take into account that they're playing mostly against not very good corners. Yeah. So I think across the larger scope of the whole sample, quarterback play doesn't matter that much.

Their guys are going to get them the ball. And you look at the best wide receivers in the NFL. they have also played for bad quarterbacks in college, and they were able to produce. So I get that on like a, it's how we fell into the Jalen Rager, throwing Max Duggan under the bus trap. Like, I think that you can probably overvalue that.

Yeah, it's important context, especially if you're talking about one specific area of like somebody's game. I think this will come up with Casey Concepcion, in my opinion. But yeah, you can't explain away production in the entire profile just by looking at the, entire profile just by looking at the quarterback play, in my opinion. All right, it is time for us to take our first break.

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Let's talk about the next two guys in conjunction here, both expected to go in the top 20. Let's talk about Mikhail Lemon from USC, 511, 194, a three-year junior, will be 22 in June, young and productive, right on the line of fast, as we said, four or five. And I agree with you that for a guy who's going to go top 20, I'm a little bit under,

I don't see a ton of juice. Now, he's a versatile player, can be used in a bunch of different ways. He does remind me a little bit. Maybe it's Jersey scouting of Amen Ross and Brown in terms of the kind of way that he wins. But, like, I'm just, eh? Yeah, so. I'm a little bit, I'm a little bit underwhelmed. I knew that everyone loved the production, love the player in college.

I watched him against Leonard Moore, who is not in this year's class. I imagine he will be a high pick. at some point in the future, based off of the tape I watched. McIllivan really struggled against him, and that's always a big red flag for me is when these guys struggle against, you know, the top corners in the country. Anyhow, compounding that with the fact that he didn't test.

Fran, do you have the stat from the draft guide that Fran had here? I don't. A list of receivers with both three career yards per outrun or higher and measurements under 6 foot 200 pounds. Because a lot of people will say, look, he was productive. The list is Hollywood Brown, Jalen Waddle, okay. Richie James, John Ross, Dwayne Eskridge, Tylin Wallace, and Carlos Henderson.

Interesting. So as Fran said in the draft guide, which you shall become a diehard, we got a great sale going on right now. Become a diehard, you can get access to the draft guide just in time for the draft. It's a tough needle of thread. I am willing, it is a good profile.

And I'm willing to believe in the profile a little bit more than my eyes. But I agree with that. I'm a little bit underwhelmed. Let's talk about the, bucket here because he is young and productive, not fast. Let's see if we can find that one. Now this is just fast.

Young and productive. I think it's this one. There you go. Yep. All right. So you've got three on top there. All right. Who are you going to get?

You're drafting McCoy Lemon and you've got C.D. Lamb. Cidie Lamb. Okay. The high range outcome right there. This is what's interesting. Young and productive, but not fast, is actually for a top two round pick, the best bet. And you can sort of understand that because it's like these guys are winning in other ways in such demonstrative ways that it makes sense. But if you're thinking about the type of player you're talking about, most of these guys are big.

Yeah, but to say, Ted McMillan, Drake London, Tee Higgins, C.D. Lamb, not quite as big. Jackson Smith and Jigba not quite as big. And so maybe you think McCoy Lemon can be a little bit like. Those guys are like twitchy though. I agree with you. They're not fast, but they're more quick than fast as a football guy would say. And there also haven't been a lot of guys even who missed who were this small. You know, it's...

Cairland Berks is a bigger player. Quentin Johnson is a bigger player. Libiska Chanel, like, a little bit smaller. It's not a... It's an odd profile for Michael Lennon to have as a shorter player. Yes. But it is also the bucket that Jordan Tyson is in. And Jordan Tyson, 6-2-203 from Arizona State, a four-year junior had one year at Colorado.

before transferring. There's an extensive injury history here. And he's also below the arm length threshold for the position. He's got these short arms. I will say, I think he's, I liked watching him. He's got some juice.

And if it weren't for the injuries, I think this is a first round profile to me. Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, of course. Without the injuries, I do think that he would be a surefire first rounder

and like one you can feel good about. The injuries are a big thing for me. And, you know, shout out to the underdog guys. I was watching them talk about some receiver prospects this morning. They compared him to Jerry Judy. And I kind of, like, I can see that in his game. He's got these big, dramatic, you know, route. Like, the way he breaks out of his routes is, like, really exaggerated.

And it's fun. And it works in college. But I do wonder how that translates in the league. So if you told me he, like, got healthy and was the best receiver out of the class, like, it wouldn't shock me. He's really fun to watch. He's, he has, like, theoretical juice in the open field. as a, you know, after the catch threat.

I don't know if he always showed it in college. I think it was kind of, you know, hit or miss. But I also liked Fran's comparison for him, Dantavian Wicks. Like, he seems like someone that like the people who love the route running are like, this guy, you know,

has some really, does some really special stuff. But I don't know. It's, it was kind of. Yeah, but what are we talking? We're talking about a top 20 pick on Dantavian.

That's what I'm saying. I wasn't like, wowed. I don't know. I'm not trying to be overly negative on them. But don't you think it wasn't a complete profile. Made you understand better why the Eagles traded for Don't and wicks. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, they probably don't love the top of this receiver class.

Right. And especially the types of guys that I do like at the top of this receiver class, they check a very different boxing or basketball. You know, if you want a basketball team in your receiver room, you're not really looking for the big body guy in the first round of me. Yeah, I like, I like Tyson, but. Yeah, like him, don't love him. It's a, that's a scary. I mean, the injury history alone, like, you think about like AJ Brown and D.K. Metcalfe following a few years ago, like the injury stuff usually makes you a second round prospect. The fact that that hasn't, well, we'll see. Maybe this will happen to Jordan Tyson. He will be available in the second round because of it, but it's scary. Like, I think I heard Devin Jackson say this. So shout out to

Devin who was on the show yesterday. He missed 48% of his games in college apparently. That's a big number. So I don't know. It was an imperfect profile again at the top of the draft here. All right. Let's get to Franz Wynderceiver 4 who was a player who has been linked plenty. The Eagles, and that is Omar Cooper Jr. from Indiana. Omar Cooper Jr. 6 foot, 199, a four-year junior will be 23 in December. Had 13 touchdowns last season, ran a 4-4-2-40. He crept up to 937 receiving yards.

But that was also in 15 games. It was an awesome quarterback. With an awesome quarterback. And truth be told, he was not the top guy in that offense. Yeah. Right? I mean, Elijah Surat got more balls than him. Yeah.

And so, Omar Cooper is in the young and fast, not so productive. Yeah, it's a little unfair to him, but okay, I think. I don't think it's that unfair. I agree. If we're going to say, oh, you have to, you know, got to keep in mind that the quarterback wasn't good there, then this is the inverse. Young and fast, not so productive is not a great bucket to begin for a top two-round pick.

This is D.K. Metcalf, Jailen, Waddle George Pickens. Those are your hits. Your misses. Nicole Hardman, K. J. Hamler, Terrace Marshall Jr., A.D. Mitchell. Matthew Golden, still early for him. Zachariah Branch is also in this bucket for this year's class, but I want you to find young and fast, not so productive. I think that's this one.

Okay. Let's spin it around. What are you're going to get? Do you even have anything? There's other, there are, I was going to say, is it a trick? A trick prompt here? KJ. Hamler. K.J. Hamler.

All right. Congratulations. You've used a first-run pick on KJ. Hamler. Like KJ. Hamler when he's coming out. No surprise. That explains why. What did you think of Omar Cooper? That explains why I like Omar Cooper. He wasn't my favorite of this genre of receiver projected to go in this round, which is a little bit of a tease here. But no, I thought he was good. He does, you know, it brought me back to the thing how he talked about. About like, and I know Fran has Jalen Rager is one of like the range of outcomes, player comparisons.

It's not his primary comp for him. I want to make that clear. because I don't want to get in trouble with Fran as he watches this here. But there is a little Jalen Rager there. You know, it's an undersized receiver, and you're really, like, you have to fall in love with the combination of, like, things you really only pick up on when you're watching the tape,

like, you know, the flexibility he has, run after the catchability with the physical traits that he has. And he's fast, and he's good after the catch. But I just a little bit worried about, like, his use case, especially with the Eagles. And it's hypocritical, because the next guy I'm going to talk about, I'm going to be pounded on the table for.

But yeah, he wasn't my favorite of the two guys we're going to talk about here. To me, this is a second round player all day long. Yeah. I do not see a first round pick. Yeah. I need more production. I just, he's not super big.

He's a part of a winning wide receiver room. I'm not using the 23rd overall pick on Omar Cooper. the case I'll make for him that will become even more prevalent in a second is that he is a good yards after catch threat. You put him in an offense where you're putting him on crossing routes, you're putting him in situations

where he gets opportunities to run after the catch. You think about the receivers at work in the McVeigh, Shanahan, Matt LaFleur, offenses. He at least, like, from a profile standpoint, fits that. I just, if you were making me choose, I would rather have the next guy. Okay, and so you're going to tell me

that you love. Casey Concepcion. Casey Concepcion from Texas A&M, a three-year junior, will be 22 as a rookie, six foot 196. Now he didn't run, but I think we can expect that he would have run faster than a four or five. Played at NC State for two years before Texas A&M. Punt return chops, what do you like so much about Casey Concepcion? The thing about him is he's a little bit younger than Omar Cooper,

and he's got like a toughness about him that makes me even more confident that if you put him in Sean Mannion's system as a, you know, a Z or a slot receiver that you're going to put on crossing routes and you want to get the ball in their hands in space and have them run through secondary members, I think that he can do that. I have a little bit more confidence that he'll do it than Omar Cooper. Omar Cooper wins with like, you know, like his, you know, contact balance and being able to kind of stay on his feet. I feel like Casey Concepcion, he just, like, gets like right at guys in a way that I really like. And honestly, like the concerns that are making him more of a late first round, early second round prospect, like the drop rate is what people

will point to. I trust Fran's eyes on that. He's, I was texting about it this morning. I think like if you look at the context on the drops, it's probably not as big of an issue as you would expect. And then on the flip side, if you watch him, he's got really strong hands. Like, he can make some really impressive catches. So I don't think it's, it doesn't seem like something that will be too much of a limiting factor there. And the rest of the profile is really awesome. So for me, If you're telling me to like pick a, not an ex-receiver in a Sean Mannion system, but, you know, the type of receiver that you do see featured in these offenses, I could see Casey Concepcion getting there.

The last thing I wanted to say is that his mock draftable compares very favorably to Jaden Reads. So, you know, again, there's like a theoretical Packers angle there. I think you could overstate that. But as an after-the-catch guy with real juice, I really liked Casey Concepcion. Now, he also did not cross a thousand-yard threshold ever. He did have an 840-yard receiving season for NC State as a true freshman, which I think is a, you know, that's a pretty sterling marker for a player that young, and then got up to 919 this year for Texas A&M and 13 games.

You want to tell me if they went further, he would have crossed it, that's okay. It's a better profile, but he's still in the same bucket with Omar Cooper, and young and fast, not productive, who are you going to get? So hopefully I get somebody good out of the bucket this time to make. make my point for me. I feel so validated right now. Jalen Waddle. Yeah, but I don't think he's got

Jalen Waddle's speed. Look, look, look, look, look, look, my notes. Jalen Waddle, question mark, question mark, question mark. Really? I mean, listen, he doesn't have like the game breaking, angle breaking speed that Jalen Waddle has, but if you squint, you can kind of see it. I really liked it. It's funny because him and Omar Cooper are very similar,

but like with Omar Cooper, there were a couple of little things or I was like, ah, I'm just gonna pump the brakes a little bit. And with Casey Concepcion I went the inverse. It's like he just pushed it over the edge enough for me to really talk myself into him.

I think I wanted to like him more than I did. Yeah. I like him. And of the expected spots where these guys are going to go, I would probably rather have him where he's going to go than Lemon, you know, where he's going to go or something like that

or even Omar Cooper. But even still, I would rather have tackle five yeah edge three I don't disagree I don't disagree at all if offensive line goes off the board early

and you're sitting at 23 and Casey Concepcion is there I think you can feel good about that pick you bring him in he's a good fit for Sean Mannyin's system I think you can use him interchangeably with Devante Smith in the system and then you have to figure out who your like real X is going to be in that system

but yeah I really like Casey Concepcion as a fit for what they're going to do before we get to break and then and then bring in Fran as we go through a bunch of these other guys, you don't like Denzel Boston? Yeah, I mean, I know that like it's important to have an extra receiver. You know, and I'll tease this because I want to ask Fran about this. My thing with these bigger guys, except for one, which we'll get to, is I don't think a lot of them separate very well. And that concerns me, like a big guy who can't separate, like what is this all going to be?

Is like the increased usage of zone coverage in the NFL, does it make, give these guys a home? as like the backside dig, they're just going to find the soft spot in the zone, and that's what their strength is, is that they, you know, they don't need to separate as much as they used to. Yeah, I'm a huge no on Boston in the first round. Oh, yeah.

Which is, you know, where he's been linked to the end. Yeah, I've seen that. I don't love that. You know, and it's easy to make the Drake London comparison because he's this big guy. He doesn't have the juice that Drake London had. He doesn't have the juice and Drake London was, I'm a broken record here, way more productive.

Yeah. Yeah. You know. I like Drake. I mean, I like Drake, Lenin now. I mean, you're 6-4-212 going up against college, guys. Go have a thousand-yard season. Yeah.

That's all. I agree. All right, let's take a quick break. On the other side, we're going to get to Fran Duffy. We'll talk about Chris Bell. What does he think about him? And then some of the other potential A2 guys like Malachi Fields, Elijah Sarat, and Chris Brasel the second.

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He's here. Just-line receivers. What's that? Just sneezed. Just sneezed. I think you're muted, Fran. Man, we're like cursed this week. I know.

Yeah, it's us. They'll muted. You're muted. It's like I've never done that before. Yeah, it's been a long week, but we only got one week left. So I'm very happy to be on the bucket show. I've been looking forward to this for, And you can attest to this.

I've been asking you, like, oh, when's the one of the bucket? I can't wait for the bucket. So I'm excited for this. Well, how do you feel about what we've learned so far? You know, it's good because this kind of validates how I have felt about this class. Just in general, because we've had these conversations. I think you guys are kind of seeing like now what I've seen for the last few months where it's like, yeah, there are some players. There's some players in this class.

But the first round, it's just, it's kind of tough sledding. And I think when you're looking at this receiver class, I agree with you where you look at Cardnell Tate and you look at Jordan Tyson and you look at McKay Lemon, like that trio in particular. And you're saying like, we're taking that guy at six overall. This guy's going to go number eight.

But I think where I've kind of landed at receiver is that this is a position where, yeah, like typically, you know, you're seeing Malik neighbors go that high. You're seeing J.R. Chase go that high. We don't have that. Obviously, that profile does not exist. in this class, but because of how receivers get paid on the market, like, you know, no, no offense, E.J., but your guy, Romeo Dobbs is getting paid, but Romeo Dobbs is getting paid. I think that's a

very fair point. That's what it is, is that, like, you know, that allows a Cardnell Tate to go in the top 10. And even though it's not ideal, I think you can justify it, but you, again, you just have to know what you're buying. Like, you have to know what you're investing in. I think that's, I think that's a very good way to frame it, because those are the conversations that are probably happening in these front offices is the surplus value of this guy's going to be a wide receiver two for us. That's a starting wide receiver that is going to get $16 million on the open market. We can get them, you know, whatever. But it's not like, man, we got a first round wide receiver. This guy's going to change the shape of our passing game. And you've got to sort of change your

framing. But it makes me more willing to invite risk with a guy like Monroe Freeling or something. like that when when when you go through these wide receivers but that's what to me like that receiver it is a similar discussion to the tackles for that point where it's like the the guy doesn't need to be Trent Williams or jord my lota for for it to make sense because of what they get paid now I think I'd rather have the solid tackle as opposed to the solid yeah but um you know I think at the end of the day uh you know just in terms of scarcity I think over over the course of time we have seen a lot of, you know, round two receivers. Like, AJ Brown went in the second round.

Like, where does AJ Brown go in this class? You know, I think that's a very valid question to ask. But, you know, I think this receiver class, and it's funny, like, Bo, I was like nodding and agreement. I wasn't sure, like, if you saw as you were saying it about Casey Concepcion, I'd rather have him, like, where he's going as opposed to, like, where McCoy Lemon and Jordan Tyson Tyson and the O'Haw Cooper Jr. going, like, agree wholeheartedly. I have nearly identical grades on Concepcioni, McCoy Lemon, and

Omar Cooper Jr. Like basically the same exact grade. And truth be told, I, if you say like, all three are on the board, who do you want? I think I would go with Concepcion. Like he's the guy I just feel best about. But because of the size, like, you know, it's certain like there, I think there are parts of his game that are a little bit, you know, where it's like, all right, like, you kind of, you know, what the limitations are.

But I just feel best about him hitting where, you know, some of the other guys I've got questions on. But it's a, it's a weird class. And here's the other thing, too. And I, did I talk to with you guys about this? When you get to day two, I don't love the day two options. Like, it's a lot of, I'm having the same conversations when I get to day two where I'm like, this guy is usually like a, you know, fourth or fifth round profile that I think is getting

fluffed up a little bit into the second and the third round. Yeah, well, talk about some of these guys, but. I got two guys I like on day two. Yeah. They're players. Yeah. I'm going to be a broken record here. Chris Bell, coming off an ACL.

Okay. If I can get the. discount here. This guy, if he was healthy, would be, would be first-on-caliburate player. Yeah. I don't know. He doesn't pass the production threshold either. He never topped a thousand yards. 9-17 last year. Okay. And he got hurt. Malacai Fields, 64-218. Go beat some people up. Yeah. Four years at Virginia before going to Notre Dame, then goes to Notre Dame. Doesn't top a thousand yards. Yeah. No thanks, really. I would one guy who I like I would rather have Elijah Surat in the third round

than anybody on day two or on in the second round who's going to go in the second round I disagree I worry I worry that Surat is and he's not like my direct comp but there's a lot of change there I think a white side there with Sarat put that in my nose that's fine I I'm not expecting him right a number one wide receiver but if you're looking if you're talking about I'm going to use a first round picking a guy just so the He can fill out a wide receiver room and be my wide receiver too. I think Elijah Serrat could probably be a top three receiver in the third round. That's fine.

I'd rather have Ted Hurst than some of these guys. I like Ted Hurst, but Surat to me was, I mean, that was screaming JJ Arthageliteside when you were watching. It's like big guy can't separate his strength is that he is good on with contested catches. I think he's a pretty good route runner.

I think he's a pretty developed player. And listen, more yards per game than almost super. He's a good route runner, but he didn't separate very often. I don't know. I had a hard time seeing it. Nobody's moving the needle here for me.

Where would Chris Bell be ranked for you, Fran, if he were fully healthy? To me, he would have probably been in that same bucket as Cooper and Concepcion and those guys. You know, I did in the newsletter back in the fall when it was announced that he tore his ACL. I went back and tried to find like some comparables with receivers who tore their ACL, specifically torn ACL like from November on, you know, because like Jameson William, was in January during the national title game. There were like three or four examples. And most of those guys did not hit the field

until November of the rookie season. So, you know, it's going to essentially be a red shirt year for Chris Bell. Chris Bell, for those of you who don't know, from Louisville, 6-2-22, was a four-year senior, tour that ACL, never topped 1,000 yards. You know what bucket Chris Bell is in? He's in the fast and young. Well, do you think that he's definitely fast?

Yeah, I think he would raise. The GPS number, there were some good GPS numbers, but I, because look, the GPS numbers are tough because there are GPS numbers from the school, and then there are websites out there that are doing it and companies that are doing GPS stuff on their own. And some of it is just like, it's literally like frame stuff, like capturing it on, you know, on the computer. Like they're literally like, it's not necessarily like, oh, yeah, and a chip in the guy's pads, right? So it can be, you've got to take some of that with a grain of salt.

He has drawn, you know, some of the comparisons with him are A.J. Brown. I would say, I saw A.J. Really? Yeah, now maybe not quite as like freakish of an athlete. But, oh, absolutely. Physicality after the catch, physicality at the catch point. A big, a big receiver who is very fluid and very strong in how he operates. I definitely saw a lot of AJ when I watched him.

I didn't see that at all. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the comps that gets thrown around. Um, that's tough. I don't know if I go. I don't know if I can quite get there. Um, but I think I do like, I have like guys like Rishy Rice written down. Like the, the problem is is that he's not like a super like crafty route runner, uh, not a vertical threat.

So it's like you kind of have to use them a certain kind of way right now. Uh, and you hope that you can grow more and there's the injury on top of it. Um, so it's, it's a tough projection. Yeah, I think you have just fast. If you want to count, if you want to count, count him as fast. I want to count him as young and fast. Or he's not young? Not young. Not young. Is this just fast? That's just fast. I feel like I'm going to pull out a lemon here. I also like in terms

of like fast, I think he would be like weight adjusted fast. I don't think if he doesn't break four five, then he's in the nothing bucket with Malachi. We're not putting him in the nothing bucket with Malachi Fields. And you know who you get in the Malachi Fields bucket? Van Jefferson, the only player drafted in the first two rounds who didn't hit any of those three things. I don't know. That was such. I couldn't believe he went that high. I don't hate who I got out of the JustFast because it could have been probably a lot worse.

I got Christian Watson. Sure. And that's, again, that's certainly not the kind of player that he is. Just Fast, by the way, 14 players drafted in the first two rounds who were just past. Six of them hit, eight of them missed. Also a place where you can find some late. round yeah sleepers uh yeah terry mccloren we're talking third round darnel mooney nico collins no not super late but that's that's and and like i don't you feel like nico collins

that same profile then would have gone at the top of a second round this year yeah yep yeah he would have yeah that's kind of what i'm saying like you know there in this draft i mean we're we're going to be talking about some guys like they're in day two you know a guy that i mocked to the eagles in my seven round mock draft would not have expected that I would have been mocking that player to the Eagles in the third round. I'm a rat. So tell us about Chris Brazel, the second from Tennessee, who is the only guy in the whole draft class, who was both young, productive, and fast.

6-4-198, a four-year junior. So even that is stretching the young because he did have a redshirt year, ran a 4-37-40, two lane for two years before going to Tennessee and had 1,017 yards last season for Tennessee with nine touchdowns. Yeah, NFL bloodlines. Dad played in the NFL, also played in the CFL for a bit. Look, he, when I first watched him in the fall, I thought top 40. Like, this is a guy that, you know, when you see the size, you see the speed.

I'm like, all right, like the very least we're talking like a Christian Watson type player. Speaking of Christian Watson, like big body vertical thread outside the numbers, limited route tree, you're going to work down the field. But then I'm watching more. And I'm like, oh, he's got a little bit more like quickness and fluidity out of breaks than I would have expected. There's a little bit more of a diverse route tree than what I've expected

because I think a lot of people still kind of correlate Tennessee to like this, you know, rinky dink offense and they don't ask that. They have changed offensive coordinators in the last couple years. So it's not quite that. But he has mostly played on the inside,

mostly from one side of the field. The route running is there are flashes, but it's not always there. The consistency is an issue. I think there's some development required both on and off the field with Brazle. If you told me that he went 38 in the draft, wouldn't shock me.

If you told me he went 1 38 in the draft, it wouldn't. Okay, interesting. I think there was a wide range with this player just because of the wide discrepancy and how people feel about him. And rightfully so, I think he is a,

he's a tough player to project, but the talent is, it's a top 40 talent in the draft. It's just a matter what, you know, what exactly you're getting, is he ever going to hit that ceiling? And I think you also wrote the widest variability

of outcomes for him, a guy who could be the best receiver in the draft and could be in the league in three years. When I watched him, like, Nico Collins came right to mind for us. Like, he looks a lot like him to me. I mean, just a big guy who moves well, good route runner and good speed. And a skinny wasted, I felt compared to Nico Collins. Yeah, I mean, he's definitely a little bit skinnier than Nico Collins at this point. Maybe a younger Nico Collins. No special teams was a little bit. Huge red flag. Like huge, huge, bright red flag. Like not one special team snap in his entire career. And that's at like Tulane and Tennessee.

You know, I'll just go through the list of wide receivers. To me, this is like a, Vic Fangio kind of alluded to this about like linebackers, but honestly, I view this like across the board. The list of wide receivers who have played fewer than like 10 special team snaps.

There's not that many. Actually, Nico Collins is on that list. Oh, that's funny. Interesting. Funny enough. So Nigo Connth is on there. But so fewer than 10 in their entire career. J.J. Erthigel White Side.

Andre Yoshavos. All right. There's a slight hit there. Kelvin Harmon, Jermaine Burton, Quentin Johnson, Johnny Wilson. That's funny. Jalen Hyatt, Luke McCaffrey, David Bell. DeVontes Walker, Isaiah Coulter, Adi D.D. Mitchell. George Pickens has won.

Joanne Winfrey is one. Here's what I'll say. That, when I look at like lack of special teams production, there's two explanations there, right? Some teams don't want to put starters in special teams, right? So just kind of like, you're trying to figure out answers there. Some guys don't, they don't play

starters there. And then others, it's like a marker for like, work ethic and like things like that. Like, oh, you doesn't want to put in the title like go and play. So whenever that pops up, it's like, all right, why? So yeah, like I said, there are some things with with Brazell, the teams are going to have to work through and be okay with it.

They're going to take them high. All right. Let's take our last break here. On the other side, we'll talk about several more players, including Ted Hurst, from Georgia State, who EJ likes. And Ted Hurst is from the productive and fast, but not so young bucket, which we have not pulled from yet, find out who's there on the other side. At Bet365, they know that the only thing better than winning bets with your money is winning

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and a 442 and had a 30, 135-inch bra jump. In the whole list of elite wide receivers, only Calvin Johnson had a better broad jump. Ted Hurst tied with Julio Jones, a monster jump. Just give him the gold jacket already. Fast and productive, but not young. Do I get to do it? is in the first two rounds,

generally speaking, a terrible bucket. Draft from Devante Smith and Zay Flowers are the only two out of 18 guys to hit. The rest of them have been pretty putrid. Who did you get?

I got Chase Claypool. Chase Claypool. Yeah. Not bad. Now, it is also not a bad bucket for later guys. So it's, you know, Ted Hurst goes in the third round. Maybe that's fine. However, I will tell you,

if I'm going to if I'm going to squint and bet on a guy among this group yeah I can sort of see the path with him more than I can with some of these other players and you got to squint because when you watch that guy's tape it looks like it was filmed on my iPod shuffle that I had in high school what did you like yeah

yeah he's a good good friend no I was gonna say he's an intriguing talent I mean when you look at the look at the size that I thought the film certainly piqued my interest and you see the skill set with the ability to win outside the numbers. He was used down the field. He can get in and out of breaks. I thought he needed some refinements, certainly.

But the flashes are pretty impressive. You know, when I first watched him, I thought, like, third, fourth round was kind of how I had him pegged, you know, watching the film back in the fall. Go to the senior ball. I thought he was solid down there. I thought he had a solid week. I'll tell you what, though. Like, he put on some weight before the combine, like, you know, got bigger and looked good. The position workout in Indianapolis really, really kind of, you know, you know,

increased my interest and I think that's why we're now talking about him in round two. I think a lot of people feel that the arrow is pointing up with this player, began his career at Valdasta State, played there for a couple years, then transferred up to Georgia State, putrid team, like just, I think they won like three games in the last two seasons. So, you know, played on a bad team,

but was very productive and everyone knew that that was the guy and they still couldn't, they still couldn't stop even when they went up against some better competition. So, yeah, I do think there's a lot to like. to me like when I thought of I thought of some players like you know like Jalen Tolbert

I think Michael Gallup was one of my like that player like that and those guys typically it's like third fourth round but I think I had him going to like Washington and early round two in the seven rounder like again you're talking like early two that's probably a little rich

for me but I think at the end of the day like you know that that is a player that I'd be willing to bet on I think that's right I think yeah I you can see the path and the explanation with him more than with some other guys. But yes, like with everybody else. Sounds like a good pick in the third round.

Which means somebody's going to reach for him. Maybe not so great in the second round. Fran, would you like to react to the breaking NFL trade news that we have? Yeah. We've got a challenge trade. The Falcons are trading Rook Aurora Roro. Roro. Nice.

To the Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for Mason Smith. Oh, 2022. 24 de-tackle, same class, trade it for each other. Yeah, Aurora is a pure like three technique. That's interesting because I know like Jacksonville was kind of sniffing around. So the defensive tackles, they've got, they don't have a first round pick, but they've been, they've been rumored to go to want some extra detackle depth there. And Mason Smith, I think there was like questions about him falling out of favor anyway in Jacksonville.

So that makes it. That makes some sense. It's interesting though, because Atlanta, while they changed coached, like Kevin Stavanski came in, they kept Jeff Ulbrick, the defensive coordinator. So, yeah, I guess they clearly saw like, all right, not a fit for our defense. All right, let's talk about a player who the Eagles brought in for a pre-draft visit.

And that is DeJohn Stribling. Yep. 6-2-207 from Ole Miss, a five-year senior. We'll be 23 as a rookie, played two years at Washington State and two years at Oklahoma State before last season at Ole Miss. His best season was two years ago

when he had 882 yards, but was over 800 yards last. last year. Ran a blazing, 436, 40. And I do think he looks fast on the field. Yeah. Willie Blocker, right?

Very much so. I think his best stuff, like his real highlight plays, he looks better than some of these other. Like, I think his highs are higher than some of the other highs. He looks like a true number one.

But again, why didn't he ever put it all together? So here's my thing. I actually didn't think that he was fast on film when I, I had questions about the speed and I had questions about the athletic upside

but I liked the film a lot and so I thought that he would be like a high end backup or like a like a a Mac Hollins level of player that was kind of how I viewed him before the combine and then he went and he ran four three and I was like all right

like if you're telling me that he's got this upside because I really liked him as a blocker he catches everything the route running was solid wasn't spectacular, but solid route runner, and he's got size. So I'm like, all right, like, there's a lot to like here, like dirty work player. I thought he'd be like a Nick Sieriani type. But like I said, then he goes to the combine and he runs the way he did, and I didn't expect

that. I do think this might fall into the category of the high character. Good kid tested well. Okay. Yep. Mm-hmm. I think so. Um, that said, like I had, so spoiler, I have the Eagles taking stribling, but I was listening

to, uh, to our friend Dan, Brunner at the athletic. and he said it on a recent show. I forget which one. I saw the clip on social media. He doesn't think he's getting out of the second round. Really? Yeah, I'm like, foof. Well, these guys can't all go to the second round, right?

Well, they might. Yeah. Oh, no, it's, it's this, this class. It's going to be fun next week. Because I think there's going to be a lot of like, oh, wow, moments, at least for me. So I'm excited for that. Yeah, I had someone, I had someone tell me they think that it's, it's going to be like, you know, someone's, someone's third round pick is,

is everybody else's fifth. Like it's going to be truly like there's going to be lots of surprises in war rooms about like when guys are going because it's pretty flat, you know, after the top 50 or not. I think lots of trades on night one and in the second round as well. And then I think,

I think some surprises. So it'll be fun. All right. I am with you in being relatively lower than consensus on another player who's supposed to go in the second round. That's for me? Jeremy Bernard from Alabama. 6-1-2006.

We are unanimous on this one. Yeah. Wow. Can I just get something off my chest? Go ahead. Debo Samuel? GtFO. What are we talking about here?

Who gave him a Debo Samuel? I've seen like some Debo Samuel buzz. I don't, and now I can't remember where it was and now maybe I'm making a strong man. I saw this comparison. I promised you on my way and I was listening to something and they said Debo Samuel as a comp.

I'm like, where do you see that? Like he does not have nearly as much as Debo Samuel did. Like body style? He doesn't have anywhere near the badonka don't. I didn't really see it with Jeremy Bernard. I didn't understand it. Yeah. Now, good note in the draft guide.

His drop rate is 3.2% entering the season, one of the lowest, you know, he's got great hands. I mean, to me, he is, I am once again jersey scouting, but he's what's his name? The Eagles in the Harrison Bryan trade. And then they- John Mechie? Yeah, he's John Mechie. He's fine. he's good at everything

they're different players but yeah but I get it though because that's kind of how I view Bernard where I'm like all right like I don't see like major weaknesses with this game but there's nothing to get excited about it there outside of like he catches everything but that's okay you know that's that's good

but also I did not see like a high level physical talent yeah I struggled there three style I believe he was Michigan State to start then went to Washington then Washington and then with it With the program, they all move over. All right, time to send you to bucket time.

CDP says current Debo, Samuel. That's good. That's good. Yeah, I like that. It's like your, what was it from the other day? Me? Yeah. Lesser Charles Smith Wade.

Well, Charles Smith Wade. I did. Was it the comp from yesterday? No, it was Kevin Byard. You were like, well, Eagles, fly. I was like, which version of Kevin Byer do you get? getting here. If it was Eagles Kevin Byard, I would have written Eagles Kevin Byard in the

Yeah, that's a fair point. So we can go through a bunch of these other guys if you want. There's a bunch of little fast guys like Zachariah Branch. Yeah. Brennan Thompson, Dion Burks. Do you like any of those guys? I mean, we know your rankings, but is there one who you see as a better fit for the Eagles? And I guess do you think that if you would,

are building out a basketball team like the Eagles might want to do in a post a j brown world and you've got to untavian wicks and you've got to vante smith is there room for a little guy like that or would you want to fill it out with with some other different kind of player sans hollywood brown i would say yeah yeah i guess depends on how married they are to hollywood brown being on the 53 um or look at the end of day if they get one year round yeah and they say like oh dion burkes is our best player zachari branch is our first player on the board they will go that direction. I happen to like Berks the most of that group.

You know, I know like Zacharii Branch was getting like first round buzz. Like there were mock drafts out there with him, you know, with him in it. Like we're talking like February. Really? Like can't get that. Everything is underneath, you know,

not a not a vertical like downfield weapon in that offense. But even going back to USC wasn't really that guy either. You know, and so I always kind of struggle with that profile. It's a lot of like this schemeed up gadgety touches. So I struggled more with Branch. There's some toughness there, NFL bloodlines, the whole deal. But I just like Dionne Burks a little bit more.

He's strong through contact, pound for pound strong, contract the deep ball, special teams background, not just as a return man, but also on cover teams as well. I liked Dionne Burks, who began his career at Purdue and then transferred down to Oklahoma. 5-9, 3-quarters, 180. We'll be 23 years of rookie. He ran a 4-4-4-9, 10-yard split. He's got that. Deshawn thing in the open field

in terms of like the running style where like his shoulders are out in front being very patient ahead of the rest of his body but his legs are also moving really fast and he just has that extra gear just the way that he runs reminded me of Deshaun

he's not the same kind of player I can if you want to talk about just adding speed to the offense there are lots of guys in this class who could give that to you but I did I did like Dionne Burks. Yeah, I liked Berks. You know, Brandon Thompson, like he was the fastest guy at the combine and that speed does show up. He has got

real, real deals. He would have been if you know, stop me if you heard this poor. He would have been more productive. That Mississippi State quarterback was brutal last year. Yeah, he still topped a thousand yards. Yeah, left a lot of yards on the field. Like he could have been ultra productive. There were a bunch of like underthrown deep balls like stuff like that. So, you know, Brenton, Tom, now,

you know it took until this point to get produced and he didn't really have much of production and much production at all before that right uh let me ask uh e j on this because this is a former longhorn began his career there as a freshman transferred to oklahoma as a sophomore there's a few of these there's a you know there's a u sc ucla one how are we doing that's the ben van sumer in the michigan state to michigan yeah yeah i cannot i cannot get on board with that i mean it what are we doing here i mean if there's a certain pathway where you can get me on board with that where like if the coach is that much of an a hole too. Oh,

I thought you were going to be like a, this team doesn't define me type of thing, but like, come on. No, no, just from a purely vengeance standpoint. Okay.

You know what? Yeah, I could see that. Like, you know, that's, that program, yeah,

I feel like I was, yeah, they did wrong by me. I'm going to go get my revenge. Okay. All right. I've got a, I've got a good vengeance storyline for a player we've talked about.

Okay. So Casey Concepcion. grew up in the Charlotte area and was a huge UNC fan and NC State got in and offered him early and UNC was very late to the party so he ended up going with NC State and but he still harbored like

some bad feelings towards UNC they played North Carolina the first year and like the coach like has gone on the record talked about this like after the fact he was like completely he went like five for 180 and two touchdown and that first guy as a true freshman against against North Carolina

and so like yeah he was and he's like talking about after the game he was like yeah like I was man on a mission today I love that that's incredible I like that from Concepcion. A bunch of superchats to get through Jonas he was talking about the bad quarterbacks and he said watch the Concepcion tape

Reed cost him over 400 yards got him killed a couple times too Marcel Marie was bad and then he also says shout out to Fran love your work greetings from Norway And he asked about Brazil, who we talked about, Brazil, 6-3 and moves so well, but that Tennessee offense is strange. Shout out to Norway.

Name a Norwegian soccer player. I want to try to give you a good one. Same. When you say good, like a deep cut? Yeah, like a deep cut. So you won't just say Erlinghouse. John Honorisa. Oh, I like that.

I'll go Martin Ota. Rocket left. I'll go. I'll go chalk here. here, Martin Odegaard. Okay. I'm a quarter of Norwegian. Shout out to the Norwegians.

Mm. Cash, watch. Where does Bell fall on the Mingo to Brown scale? The Mingo, Jonathan Mingo to A.J. Yeah. I would lean more towards A.J., but I don't think he's, I, I think A.J. That's a, that's a, that's a lofty comparison. Yeah.

I don't care. I'm making it. I'm making it. Mingo was like, do, you can't compare him to A.J. Brown. Let me just remind you what age. I don't need to be lectured on it. I'm talking about his ceiling. I'm talking about what he could be, if healthy.

I don't think he's quite as, I don't think he's quite as like freakishly athletic as AJ. But I see, I see the comparison. Here's the deal. And this, this is underscoring this whole conversation as I keep on, as I keep bringing it up.

AJ Brown as a true sophomore at Ole Miss had 1250 yards. And then the next year as a true junior, he had 1,300 yards playing in an offense with D.K. Metcalfe and he ran a really good he tested really well and he only went in the second round. Because of injury stuff, which Chris Bell also has.

So if you can get Chris Bell in the second round. For four or five years and never even came close to that. I'm talking about what it's going to be tough though. E.J. brought it up earlier like the with the college football landscape and it seems like keeping these guys in house and like guys

going back to school more often. there's a lot of mouths to feed often and so it does it does water things down a little bit like LSU had they had a tight end and like four receivers at the combine this year obviously that the Nussmeyer was hurt all year and that you know kind of hampered their past game

but it's like you know there's oftentimes there's a lot of mouths to feed if you're trying to keep all the cause you're also trying to feed the underclassman too so they don't transfer you're keeping everybody happen June with the super chat who says does the weak wide receiver class make Kenyon Sadiq more appealing

particularly with Dante and Wix are already added to the room can I add to this I had a question for you yeah would you rather trade up let's call it five spots so let's say you're given up let's say you're giving up both threes to get Keny on Sadiq in the first round would you rather do that or draft case or draft case C conception on a 23 I would rather just draft DeHonitor I think no you have to choose one of the two of the two of the two of the two I would rather have those two threes could also get you one of the probably be able to get you

of the tackles too like proctor or freeling potentially yeah i'd go sadica yeah i mean this this does this change your mind we have now finished every position yeah okay just in time before the draft starts next week and it really does clarify for me like go get a tackle go get one of the top four tackles if you if you have any chance to do it plan a Barring that, you know, maybe Keldrick Falk falls and we just, you know, we build along the line of scrimmage, we stay true to ourselves. And then after that, I get, I mean, I don't think you want to move down necessarily too much. Deek, I am, I am now more, a little bit more in on Sadiq than I was before in just evaluating him and the value prop of him with an imperfect profile. Yeah.

but he is a better player than a lot of these receivers yes he's a better player than a lot of these receivers yes as a pass catcher as a funk uh featured member in your offense so yeah yeah i was talking my neighbors about kenyan and saddique the other day i'm i'm uh you're talking everybody about i'm about to say they're like who you like i was like go up and get sedique and they're like yeah i love it so he is not a he is not a good wide receiver but brys lance as your fourth round, Quays Watkins, go play that role. He's got, I think that, I mean, he's a little bit older. This is, Charlie Lentz, his brother from North Dakota State, 6,3, 204, around a 4-3-440.

The speed is, I mean, the speed is real. Speed is good, yep, good speed. Yeah, I mean, it's very similar to Christian Watson, same school, you know, same body type. I think when you're looking at, at Lance, like, very easy to say, like, even if he doesn't, like, hit, he is going to be in the least. Like he is going to be on the field. Yeah, he's going to stick and play. Yeah, I thought so too. Anybody else who you really like, let's say,

fourth, fifth round could play a role for you on offense. Just go through here real quick. Or EJ, did you have any other day three guys? Antonio Williams? I kind of like Antonio Williams. Yeah. Low round the player, kind of sliding through the cracks a little bit. I wrote METCHI for him too.

Yeah, like not dynamic, but. you know, I think there are some like good intangible markers with him, but that I think the ability is just a well-rounded player. He's below the threshold on yards per catch. 11 yards per catch is very low for, for, but again, this is, this is for elite wide receivers. If you're just looking for a guy to play a role, that's a different story.

Can I pull a name out of one of the buckets just for fun? Sure. Let's see what we got. You worked so hard on it. You know what, screw it. I'm pulling all of them out. You worked hard on this? So did you count the buckets in the studio yesterday and then knew like this is how many buckets I have to bring in from home?

That's exactly what I did. Yeah. Yeah. So which bucket was this? That's just productive. Josh Doxton. Hmm. Very exciting.

Michael Pittman. And Rishi Rice. Are there any buckets that we haven't pulled from yet? I think not. I think we've got them all. I had one more question. Can I give you a day three very? very late guy who I got one question like kind of liked okay the guy McAllister from TCU yeah

there's some there's some stuff in the in the hard draft kind of that one oh okay well then never mind some things to work through okay two quick things Fran I agreed with you that makes me wholeheartedly on Skyler Bell we didn't talk about him he's an older prospect just like you know he was the late breakout thing I've been spending a lot of time with you was not was not a huge fan of the profile but in this class I'm I like him a little more than both of you guys really productive and fast enough that yeah I could take I could take a gamble late breakout guy like really late break out I'm not talking about a first two days but well he's probably gonna go there so some people have talked

about it as a day too I still would be I mean even in this class and even with how he'd like tested he definitely he tested a little bit than I thought. Here's what I'll say. He, you know, I had this low, I had a low grade on him

going into the Shrine Bowl, and he was like being touted as like, oh, one of the best players down at Shrine and potential day two pick. I was on the sideline, talking to a scout about, you know,

we were kind of exchanging notes on, on Bell. And I went first and said, like, yeah, like, I don't know. I kind of think he's like a fringe roster player because he's, he's not big.

He's not a dynamic. He doesn't block. He's not a great route runner. They had schemed up a lot. of stuff for him. He doesn't play special teams. So like, what are you doing to make a roster? He's like, frantman, he was like, we had three guys in the last decade plus that came to our team with the same deal. And it was like, they were productive college players. But what are you doing to make the team? Yeah. To me, like the draft slot is really, really important for this kid.

Because if he goes in the third or fourth round, then it's like, okay, he's got runway, right? Like he's got, you know, they're not going to cut him. But if he goes in the fifth or sixth round and doesn't do any of those little things i i don't know he's not he's not going to make the team uh and so to me like it's uh it's very important for him to get drafted so it was really good that he did test the way he did because that's going to give him a shot. Jeff Caldwell from Cincinnati you like him at all he's got a he's got some production around a four three one at six five it must mean he's not a very good player he's not a good player I wanted to like i wanted to like him because the profile he was a freaksless guy from

Bruce Feldman uh you know so i was i was really excited to watch him. Like, oh, like, big kid, runs fast. And he was their second leading receiver at Cincinnati this year over a non-combine invite, Cyrus Allen. Yeah, he's just, he's not a great player. But he's probably going to get drafted because he's, you know, the height weight speed. All right.

So, so if you could have any of the top 12 receivers, top 15 receivers. At price. At price. Let's say, I tell you right now, you get them where they're, wherever they're going to be drafted. Who would you want? All right. Last caveat. Is this knowing like,

all right, like if I take Casey Concepcion, that means obviously like I'm not getting one. I'm choosing him over the tackles. Like I'm going to. Yes, yes, yes. Probably Chris Bell.

Really? I think so. Chris Bell in the second round. I don't feel, but I don't feel great about that answer. Yeah. To me on Bell, like if I'm,

if I'm inviting the injury risk and giving all that up, he better, he better, I better know he's good. And I don't know that he's that good. Yeah. I think you're too low on him. I'd take Bell in the second round.

I think you'd probably have to move up to get him. I mean, I guess they would, because I think he's got, I think he's going to go before their second round pick. But I don't know. I want to take one of the later guys, but now what if those guys and actually,

actually do go in the second round? Like I would, yeah, I think I would rather just have my pick of guys in the third round. I know. Go tackle, edge, wide receiver, tight end, and I feel good. That's,

that's, That's kind of what I would like to see on the first two days of the draft. If you told me it was Ted Hurst in the third round, yeah. Yeah, I'd be fine. I don't think he's making it there. Yeah. Like, honestly, it's probably like Dionne Burke's, Eli Hydenreich in like the fourth round, fifth round.

It's like one of those guys. And we do, I do, I'm with you on Hydenreich. Yeah, he's fun. Yeah. I think he's like, like, my initial grade on Hydenreich was like, was really high. And I was like, I got like, I. Stribling, I think stribling. If he, if he makes it to.

the third round and not the second round I think I would be fine with that. Yeah, that's where I ended up putting it because honestly, because you know, like, I'm doing the seven round mock for all 32 teams and his name kept coming up as I'm going through and I'm like, I don't, I don't think this team could do this with the 60th pick with the 58 pick.

Like, I just can't get there with a 60th year senior who hasn't been like insanely productive. So, yeah, that was that's a tough one. Tackle, edge, wide receiver, tight end. That's second. That's what the order you want. No, in that first round tackle, second round edge, both third round picks on wide receiver and tight end,

and I feel pretty good. Okay. I think that's, I think that's how I've settled. Now having done this exercise. Tight end, wide receiver, edge, interior offensive line. Okay. We're in overtime.

How'd you guys think I did in the 7-round mock? Oh, your side was like, what is overtime? What do you think we're going to like curse you out or something? Yeah. let me double check well i mean i did i did read every word you right yeah you read every word yeah right um let's see can i we can i can are we i mean to say what we did what you did yeah i think we're late enough in the show we can reward you know look go if you're not a diehard by now take advantage of the diehard sale and it's not just the mock draft you can get the diehard draft guide

but here's the other thing too and i've been trying to express this and the other market so when you if you subscribe right now become a diehard right now if you want the draft stuff uh you're covered for the full year so like for next year's 2027 draft that everybody in the NFL is excited for and that's why no one's trading picks for next year you're covered through that as well so you know jump ahead and you uh you're set until next next year's draft uh so let's go pick by pick yeah yeah a trade up three spots right up for freeland row freeling great yeah sounds good i like it i don't love it Deny Dennis Sutton in the second round. Love it. Oh my God. A plus. A plus plus.

Stripling in the third after having done this exercise. Yeah. At 68. Totally fine. Good value. And you've addressed that position. Camarie Ramsey in the fourth. I didn't love Kamari Ramsey, but I think that's a fine. That's fine value. Yeah. E.J. Beau had me try and guess who was his favorite, like, later round safety.

And I said Ramsey and he like said, like, how dare you? As if it was like, insulting. No, it was someone else to us. It was someone else who was how dare you, I think. No, I thought it was Ramsey. You said Ramsey, but I thought that there was someone else first that was how dare you. Got it. Let me see.

Oh, no, it was. It was. Yes. E.J.'s boy, Will Casmeric. Yeah. In the second round, second fourth round. Are you doing this draft just for me, Fran? Were you trying to make sure I was happy with it?

No. Drew Aller. Another one of my guys here. Bauer Sharp, another tight end. Yep, double did. And then a little high upside. Enrique Cruz the tackle from Kansas. I think this would be a home run.

I think the Eagles would love to come away from the draft with this hall. I think that would be, I was happy with it sitting back and looking at it. Yeah, no doubt about it. All right. Thank you, Fran. Thank you, Lindsay.

Thank you, E.J. Thank you, eight different buckets. That's it. That's it for the week. That's it for the positions. Man, what a ride. Now we get into the. real fun stuff.

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