PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Draft: Would Peter Woods Make Howie Roseman Fire Up A DT FACTORY? | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 9, 2026

Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis and Moro Ojomo are already here, so defensive tackle is not a need for Howie Roseman and Vic Fangio, but that doesn’t mean they won’t have someone at the top of their board when they’re on the clock. From Peter Woods in round one to mid-round prospects abound, EJ Smith and Bo Wulf preview the DT class as our NFL Draft prep rolls on. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the B.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a really beautiful Thursday afternoon. Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith, live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Bent 365 and Ashley, our position previews ahead of the draft, which is just two weeks away. Rolls on. We talk about the defensive tackles today, E.J. No. Did you feel like the event last night where we got to watch Fran do some guys with the diehards? went through several important first round possibilities. Did you feel like doing that with Fran made you a bit more of a ball knower as you watched the defensive tackles? I mean, how could you not?

The way he watches film, the way that he breaks things down, you know, just feels like, you know, you're getting like a 400 level course on tape study. So no,

it's a fun event. It's always great to see the sickos and then cousin grace. Shout out cousin grace. Oh, yes. It was a very fun event. And yeah, I mean,

I'm making everybody else who's not cousin grace. who was there and feel bad. Well, no, I met a lot of great people. Shout out to Richard, because I finally learned my name. I met a lot of great sickos. I just like, it was fun because they don't usually come up to you and tell you what their name is in the chat.

Well, I like when you meet a normal person who then tells you that they have a ridiculous chat name that they've just had to keep up with the soul time. Yes, yes, yes. But that was fun. And, yeah, I mean, how could you not learn something watching Fran do a bunch of guys on the dark? Yeah, absolutely.

All right. How are you feeling just like big picture-wise, draft-wise? Hang on me, we don't need to get into, uh, how am I feeling so mad at us. Oh my God. We'll talk about that at some. Yeah, let's do that later. Let's do that later. Oh my God.

No, no, no, no. That's not going to help. Stop. I mean, how am I feeling big picture wise? Lots of stinky diapers out there. How am I feeling big picture wise about the draft? Is that? Yeah, equals wise.

Like, do you feel like you have a, you have, now that we are really diving into the players themselves, do you have a better sense of, you have a better sense of, of like how you feel like it's all going to play out for the Eagles? Yeah, I would say so. I mean, it's incomplete. And that was why I wanted to go through the exercise with Fran last week, where I did a mock draft before I watched all of the prospects from all the different positions and got a better idea of where the strengths are

at some positions and where the weaknesses might be. I would say, I, you know, again, as at an incomplete spot right now, I would say I'm probably, I feel better about them addressing defensive line in the middle rounds because I've watched a lot of those guys and I can see theoretical upside swings in those rounds. I can see guys who could still have a pathway toward being starters, which is something Howie Roseman really values. And yeah, I mean, I want to watch CO Alibin before I say this, you know, with conviction, but I could see them going with a non-premium position in the first round to try and get a true, you know, potential difference-making player. So, you know, next, I think

the next couple of shows and really through next week will finish that picture. But yeah, watching the defensive lineman, like, I mean, the whole group at this point, I do feel okay about whether it's like denied Dennis Sutton in the second round or, you know, I think I've seen like R Mason Thomas, like lingering in like some third round round mock drafts. I think that they will have options on day two in the draft to address defensive line where I don't think they'd have to force it earlier than that. So Fran has his mock, his two round mock draft out today. You can check out on all p.gloi.com if you are a diehard. And it is,

it is not a great situation when the Eagles are on the clock at 23 in this situation. So all of the second tier offensive tackles who we will get to more in depth next week are available. Caden Proctor is available. Monroe Freeling is available.

Gila Blomu is available. You've got Maxi Hanachor who's available. Blake Miller too. Some people like, I know Fran does not love him. And then, you know, McNeil Warren from Toledo the safety. And that's about it. And Omar Cooper, the wide receiver is available, and Denzel Boston is available.

And I don't think that the Eagles would love to be sitting there at that standpoint. So, you know, as how he always is, I think he will have an itchy finger to try to trade up. But I don't know. I mean, like the idea of like trading out for Kenan Sadiq, man, is that sexy, that's splashy. Yeah, it's a very Eagles move. I actually don't know that I think that that's true, though. I think it is. It's an Eagles move to move up, secure a play.

that you feel as an impact player. And honestly, you're going to say it's not at a premium position, but they've done it for players at non-premium positions before. I mean, Jordan Davis plays a premium position, but he was a nose tackle. And he had to have a very specific pathway toward being the premium type nose tackle that you pay a bunch of money to. You know, Jahad Campbell last year, they tried to trade up.

So I do think if they feel like a guy like Kenyon Sadiq is top 10 on their board, and he's lingering there at 18 or 19, I could see them moving up together. I think that this is kind of an inflection point for Howie draft wise. Yeah. After the Jahan Campbell pick last year, where if Howie Roseman is going to stay true

to who he has been over the course of his career, you got to build through the line of scrimmage. Yeah. You know, they freaking nailed the Quinyan Cooper double dip the before, right? Then you go to Jahad Campbell, that's two years in a row where they haven't addressed the line of scrimmage.

The offensive line, needs to turn over. I know that you can't, you can only deal with the guys who are actually on the board. Yeah, I was about to say, I mean, if there's not a player at those, at those spots that they grade highly. And I think you got to find a way to get there. Either get up or move down and take your medicine. I, I think if the Eagles, if Howie starts chasing the splashy thing, I love, I love Kayantzadee. I think that would be, it would be so much fun. Yeah, watching Fran break his tape down specifically last night, he's awesome. Like, every, he, I know what you were talking about his, his production. but when you just watch like the way that he blocks

in space on down blocks where he's able to you know just like clear out a defensive end like you know watch him like go up and get one on a jump ball he's got a really complete game so the more I've the more tape study we've done the more convinced I am that he is a type of player that would make sense to move up for I know and it it is a way where you can sort of have your cake and eat it too and it's it's helping you this year while also giving you hopefully a long-term 10th pole. It is probably the best possible way to split that difference.

Yeah. But I just, something tells me that Howie is going to get up there on night one of the draft and be like, listen, we had to stay true to who we are. And we know that long-term we need to build to the line of scrimmage. Yeah, so if that's them drafting, Caden Proctor. Sorry, I was watching Caleb Proctor earlier. Oh, wow.

I really like catch myself there. If that is them drafting Caden Proctor and they view him as a guard only, I guess that would be an Eaglesy pick, but I don't know. I have like mild reservations about that. You know what I mean? I think that Caden Proctor will be like if he does bump into guard, he's going to be a Landon Dickerson type guard. You know, we were talking about it before the show.

Like I think that if you drafted Cade and Proctor, you might hope that he's your Lane Johnson successor. And then has made a good point. I think we probably need to reframe that as like the right tackled. I think that's a very good point. You know, you can't, you're not going to find Lane, you know. Shout to the professor. You went Jason Peters to Lane Johnson to Jordan my lot.

Yeah. Let's not hold them to that standard. And I've, I've had conversations. You need to find a future starting caliber right tackle. And I've had conversations with Jason Kelsey and Cam Juergens about being the Jason Kelsey. And all that comes with that and the pressure that comes with it. And, you know, I remember Cam kind of shied away from that title the year before he became the actual successor for Jason Kelsey.

He was, you know, noncommittal about like, well, maybe I'll play. guard. You know, I think he didn't want to think about it. It's a real thing for these guys. It's a human thing. So with that said, I think if you're drafting Kaden Proctor, you're hoping he is a right tackle maybe in the future, but I think you're also maybe guarding for a Landon Dickerson successor, you know, a left guard of the future as well. So if you're talking about the difference between a guard and a tight end and those are the two that you're looking at, I still lean Sadiq at this point. And I didn't a week ago, which again, shows you the importance of actually watching these guys for yourself.

All right, let's get to the defensive tackles. One guy who is like consensus going to go around that pick at 23. And I think we would both be pretty blown away. Yeah. If Peter Woods of Clemson found his way to Philadelphia, just given the fact that the Eagles already have three very good defensive tackles. Yeah. I can, you know, there's a, if you want to say we've really held true to best player available,

this is a guy that we just couldn't pass up. He spent a little bit of time on the edge when he was a true sophomore. He means he's a he's he's huge six four or six two three hundred and two pounds Yeah shorter arms than you'd expect though 30 does 31 and a quarter let me tell you about those 31 and a quarter inch arms here Oh, you got some data it is that is those are red flag arms I'll buy you some time while you look this up Those are those are shorter arms sorry sorry Any of the 35 defensive tackles who are late in my in my sample size you know everybody talks about Aaron Donald is where 32 and five eighths Peter Woods, 31 and a quarter.

Reminds me a lot, though, of Mason Graham from last year. And Mason Graham's a top five pick. I don't see a huge difference between him and Peter Woods. I mean, I thought Peter Woods and what I saw was pretty awesome. Yeah. But I would, it is for that reason. The arms, maybe he falls. There's a world where he's just standing out like a sore thumb to the Eagles

and they say we can't afford to pass it up. I don't know. I think it's, I would put one turkey on it. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, I probably put less than five turkeys on it. I mean, I think at that point you probably do just take your medicine and trade out, hope that somebody's desperate to get him. He's a fun player to watch. I think most first round prospects probably are at this point. To me, he wasn't like popped off the tape so much that it's like, oh my God, like, you know, you would have, like, I feel that way about Keltrick Falk.

If Keltrick Falk is there at 23, you draft him and you figure it out. Even if he is like, you know what? Like I, you know, even if they want, even if the eval for him is, you know what, he's a four-eye guy for us. He's somebody who we want to bump inside. You know, we want him to keep, you know, putting on weight and become a true defensive tackle. If he was there at 23, it's still like draft that guy. I think I agree with you. Get a blue chip player.

I wouldn't say Peter Woods was quite that for me when I watched him. So I'd have a hard time seeing it. I think I probably agree with you. Yeah. A couple notes from Brand's draft guide. And here, my favorite thing, well, that's, that's, I don't know if that's true because there are a lot of great things about the diehard draft guide. One of my favorite things is the

numbers that matter section. Yeah, that is a great section. It's a great little, you know, it just tells you all of the hard work that Fran is putting in. A couple here. Recorded a run stop rate, which is a tackle on an unsuccessful run play by the offense, on 11.2 of his career run defense snaps, which would be the seventh highest career runstop rate of any charted defensive tackle drafted in the last decade.

And then the other one is just 12, and this is the flip side of it, and this is the short arms. Just 12 of the 252 defensive tackles drafted in the last decade came in with arms under 31.5 inches and inches with just three in the first three rounds. Coliza Cansey, still early. Braden Fiskey, who's been pretty good. And Kobe Turner, who's been very good. So, you know, it's not disqualifying.

But it's like if you, it's one of those things where if you're good enough to overcome it, you go early. Yeah, true. It's kind of more like lop you off if you're not good enough to be in the first or second round conversation. Which of those three players do you think I just loved coming out of school? And it's definitely like... Can't see. Yeah, it's one of those where it's like, why did you love him? I mean, he was Tradesy.

He's athletic. Yeah, you can move. Yeah. I love an interior. You'll learn this today. My thing with interior alignment is I just love guys who can move, like, they shouldn't be able to move. That's my thing. I agree with that.

Well, no. A lot of things that it's just like, I like guys who look like they're going to be really good. Well, no, I was talking to one of the sicker. about this yesterday. I was like, you know, Bo and I, I feel like we have complimentary, like,

approaches with the prospects because you do a really good job with data and kind of being able to, you know, as you just said, lop guys off if they don't fit into a certain category, a statistical category.

But for me, it's more about the feels. It's more about, do I feel something to watch the guy? And listen, I think yours is probably more grounded in like getting it right,

but I don't know. It's all context. I enjoy like the feeling you get when, you know, it's funny. This is a ride with me on this analogy. I texted you yesterday and I was like, or I think I said it to you on the phone. Yeah, when you asked me this question, I thought you were talking about a prospect.

Well, yeah, it's very similar. So I think I asked you on the phone. I said, do you ever, do you know what it's like when you find a great band that you'd never heard before? Like that special feeling where it's like, I discovered this. I can't believe I didn't know about this before. Like, that's how I felt about a band

I listened to while I was watching. these guys. And, you know, some of these prospects you feel that way. It's like, oh my God, like denied Dennis Sutton. I'm like, why is nobody talking about this guy? He's amazing. So, you know, it's been fun watching these guys. Okay. Romantic about drafts prospects, scouting. Shocker. It's important to be romantic. Let's take our first break here. On the other side, we'll get into, we will give you our favorite day two possible prospects. And just have more of a discussion about, like,

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Let's bring in the right people presented by our friends at TrueMark and talk about our favorite potential D, not D2, round two, or day two defensive tackle prospects for the Eagles. Let's get to the conversation we were teasing before. Yeah. How do you think the Eagles feel about their defensive tackle depth? Yeah. Do you think the pipeline is fine?

That's the right question to ask because they are obviously top heavy at the position. You know, you have Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis. you'd expect them to eventually be both on long-term contracts and really the featured part of that room. But we've learned from the Eagles over many years at this point, and especially even going back with Letcher Cox, you're really only as good as like your second interior rusher a lot of times because, you know, the primary guy is going to get a lot of attention and a lot of double teams. Now, maybe Jordan Davis can continue to grow into a pass rusher that, you know, can take advantage of those one-on-ones and can really punish teams that want to slide the protection toward Jalen Carter. But the Moro-A-Jomo, Milton Williams, Javon Hargrave role has been important for this team.

And, you know, just looking at it, like Moro Jomo played 66% of the Eagles' defensive snaps last year. So I don't think they're going to be able to afford to pay him. And I think that they are going to have to continue to rotate through a player on a rookie contract to counterbalance that top-heavy room. So for that reason, like the time I spent the most on in this exercise was guys who I think are in that Moro-A-Jomo fold. You're not going to find more Hojomo in the seventh round like they did. So like very consistently, I think you probably are starting to look on day two and early day three. And I'll be honest, there are some guys that I do like in that range because the benefit that the Eagles have is that they can be really, really selective in they're not looking for an all rounder. You know, they're not looking for a defense tackle that.

They're not looking for a three down defensive tackle. This is like if you have your two-way tight end and you have your receiving threat and all you're looking for is a blocking tight end, right? It's kind of similar on the interior line for them here. They, you know, there will be teams that go, oh, you know, this guy is really just a pass rush specialist. He's just an undersized quickness, you know, merchant, if you will. The Eagles can really, you know, go all in on a player like that. So I think that they'll have opportunities to. And yeah, I think there are guys who fit that description.

Okay. Let's hear your first one. Who do you like? Who is the right person? person we're looking for. Really like a DT. Tyler O'Neadam from Texas A&M. Oh, really?

I really like him. Interesting. 22 years old. Well, the people should know this is, you're going against Fran. He doesn't like this guy. He is Fran's defensive tackle 15. Five year senior after four years at Ohio State out of Texas A&M,

light, long arms, good jumps. Yeah, 632. Some way I like him. He is the type of player I was just describing. He is not going to be for everybody. Because he's an undersized interior rusher who is really based off a quickness, I feel like he needs a year or two to develop, but for that reason, I feel like he's perfect for the Eagles.

You know, he can be a moro-o-o-jomo understudy for a year and step into a pass-rush specialist-type role. He didn't have as much power as I would have wanted at that size. Like, you know, he's, like we talked about it on yesterday's show at the edge rushers. you can be undersized but still have like real pop in your hands. You can still, you know, have a really, really strong bull rush. He doesn't quite have that, but he's got great lateral quickness and he can win really quickly, which I think is important if you're going to be in the specialized role where you're in a one-on-one situation.

So I see a pathway for him to be an impact player, and I think the Eagles are well situated for a player like him to figure out how to reach his potential. Okay. You're not a fan of Odeem. No, but I think I am probably a little bit clouded by when I see a guy who Fran is clearly lower on then consensus I am watching him through that prism yeah but I did not I was not I was not blown away okay that's fair by T.O. here I like there are a lot of these guys too that are really quick off the ball and I don't know for you're

you were correct Fran is a lot lower on him and I'll be honest he's projected as like as a third round pick this is this is not going to be the first time that I go against Fran which is probably interesting I mean but listen it's good for the show you know it's a it's a marketplace of ideas on these guys it was more ball and Fran. I just did not say that. I would give you mine. And you asked me before the show. Oh, no. What do you think of Grayson Hilton? You like this guy. Oklahoma.

And I don't, I don't love Grayson Hilton. He's a very specific kind of player, but he's a four-year senior from Oklahoma. He's Fran's defensive tackle six. He goes six, two, and five-eighths, two-nine three. So he's not a big guy and he's got short arms, 31 and a half. But he's a very weird

athlete and I have their defensive tackle DK Metcalf because he's got these great jumps an elite 36 and a half inch vertical jump which is better than every single defensive tackle in this sample except for JJ Watt

but he gets really bad advice I think and runs the you know the agility stuff and he has a three cone and a short shuttle that are terrible below the bar 20 percentile on the shuttle, the 20 yard shuttle. And worse than anybody in the sample on either one,

except for, I think, one guy on, except Akeem Hicks's short shuttle. Can I show the spider chart? I don't know if they can see it. It's a weird spider chart. And it's fun. You know, Fran has talked about, like, you want to, sometimes these great testers, you know, they don't look like the athlete that they are.

Yeah. Grayson Halton looks exactly like, this athlete that he tests like. He is explosive off the ball. Yes. Flying upfield. Yeah. And anytime he's got to change direction, it's like a, you know, it's like a huge ship and

being asked to do it. And he takes forever. And so it was really fun to want to have that information and then watch him play exactly that way. But I can squint and see that guy as as a Morojojoa replacement coming on the field on third down, flying upfield. And you know what else I was thinking to myself? Get this guy under Jim Schwartz and now you're cooking.

straight line. This is like this guy was meant to play for Jim Schwartz. I feel like that was in Fran Scouting Report for him. Oh really? Yeah, was that not Jim Schwartz, but that he would be very well suited for a one gapping system. Um, yeah. And I, okay, maybe not. It's actually, it's slightly similar to the testing from Javan Hargrave. Um, so, uh, Javan was a little bit, a little bit squottier and a little bit heavier and had had a slightly better, uh, agility stuff, but it's a similar profile. Yeah. I didn't hate him. I kind of liked him. I just, I just, I, just, I, just, I, but that's the kind of play. I just, I, I, I, I, But that's the kind of player you're talking about.

He's not going to hold up on first and second down. He is there to just penetrate upfield. I viewed him through the prism of him being Fran's favorite day three guy, and I was a little bit underwhelmed. So I'll be honest. Yeah, I'll be the one who zags here. I would take Tyler O'Needem over Grace and Helen. Oh, interesting.

Now, I don't think, I think that's a zag against Franz look at it. And he's watched way more tape on these guys for them. I will always concede that. But I don't think it's probably not a zag against the consensus big board if I had to guess. No, I think that, they're about similar on the consensus big boards, but I think I think Anya Adam is slightly higher.

Yep. So. All right, let's close the book on the the right people presented by True Mark. Those are our two favorite day two guys. Do you have another one who you like? Yeah, I've got two guys. They might be more, at least one of them is probably more day three. Let's, how about I quickly go through like the two through five?

Sure. And you tell me if there's anything on them. So the Franz defensive tackle two is Caleb Banks, big fella, 6,6, 327. I mean, you're talking about a nose tackle here. Yeah. Enormous arms, 35 and a quarter inch, which is longer than the longest I have in the sample,

or ties him with Muhammad Wilkerson. Solid vert as well. Had a foot injury that cost him all but three games this season after he had kind of a breakout four and a half sack junior year. I do think that he's the kind of player who, like if the injury pushes him all the way down to round three, that Howie would be like, we got to just take the guy.

Possibly. I was pretty tepid on like anybody who would infringe on Jordan Davis's role. Yeah. It's hard to imagine them using real draft capital to add another, you know, like nose tackle. But he does have to come off the field at some point. And so like it's like you already gave, you already, you've already invested so heavily. Yeah. At the nose tackle position, it's like bring in another Linval Joseph to be the guy that feels behind that.

Yeah. But if it's, if it's just. Yeah, just value. This guy is way better on our board. It's not unlike Nikobie Dean. Yeah. I don't think that's crazy. Caded McDonald, the Ohio State defensive tackle is Fran's defensive tackle.

Three year junior. No flags in terms of the testing or anything like that. I'm starting to wonder about the more Ohio State guys on the defense. So you're starting to remember the conversations about the Georgia defense from a few years ago. Like how much can you, how much credit can you give to one guy if everybody on the defense is really good? is that a positive or is it a negative? And I think Fran sort of summed it up with Cade McDonald in his bottom line, which is pretty clear cut evaluation.

He's not going to offer a ton of pass rush juice, but he's capable of being one of the league's better run defenders who can play as a starter and then come off the field on obvious passing downs. The biggest question is the overall athletic upside to consistently impact the quarterback. Each team will decide what that means for them. To me, that means this is even more of, you're not pairing this guy with Jordanians. Right, you can't have that many nose-taps. who don't offer you anything as pass rushers, yeah.

I think the same goes for the guy with the best nickname in the draft, the Big Citrus. Big Citrus. Dominique Orange, four years at Iowa State, 6-2-5, 322. Another guy who's fun to watch, but it just doesn't really make sense here, I think. Yeah, agreed. I didn't spend a lot of time watching him for that reason. All right, I will take you now to DT5 because this is a guy I like.

Really? Who I actually think has some potential Eagles. possibility. That's Daryl Jackson Jr. Okay. Who is a fifth year senior, so he's a tick old, but not, he's not 24, he's at 23. One year at Maryland, one year at Miami, then three years at Florida State. Really long arms, 35 and a half inch again. But he is not, like he's a little bit lighter.

And these are the guys I really like watching this. It reminds me a lot, and I don't think it's just the Florida State thing, reminds me a lot of Broderick-Bunk where he is built like that guy doesn't look like a defensive tackle he just looks like a big like a huge linebacker there's no there's no gut it's just like yeah

this guy is strong and he doesn't get moved off the ball really stout and he like he when he extends his arms he is just it is awesome he's moving people he is not a polished pass rusher I don't know that he really has

a lot of third down upside so it's not an ideal fit but he's just a good football player yeah and if You know, if it's late third round, if it's fourth round, I like the player a lot. I'm surprised that you went for an old here, but he is fun. It's not too old. Yeah.

I mean, this is a difference between 20. This is a fun intersection of like, I like the traitsy guys. So I see 6.5 with 35 and a half inch arms, although you know, I love the short guys with the long arms. Oh, yeah. There's one guy who we got to. He was like a tiny little bowling ball. I'm talking. I wonder if I have them.

Yeah. How do you feel about the, how do you feel about the phrase, country strong. I like it. Nothing wrong with that. It's pretty it's very like it you know what it means right. This guy's not he doesn't look like a it's got that natural strength. Yeah just I think of Fletcher Cox when I think of that. I think of Hank Aaron. Yeah like how you just have to carry the dice yeah. Yeah. He's the big forearms. Yeah like that's yeah that is like you um my dad would probably say you should think about your grandfather as country strong country strong on that one um but yeah it's like you you earned your strength through hard work not

in the gym, but, you know, actually doing real work. Okay. So who is your other guy? Oh, so I've got two day three guys. Oh, okay. Well, then we'll take a break. Okay. We'll come back. I think Fran's going to join us pretty soon. We'll talk about our favorite day three guys. Stay with us on the pH, My Eagles podcast. Everybody loves us. At Bet 365, they know that the only thing better than winning bets with your money is winning bets with theirs. And that's why there's never been a better time. to do just that than right now thanks to bet three six five's bet ten dollars get three hundred and sixty five promo available to every single new bet three six five user all you have to do is sign up

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Beautiful Thursday. How are you doing EJ? I'm doing pretty well. It's not actually that beautiful. It's like it looks nice, but it's cold out. It's not that cold. It's pretty cold today. I mean, we're wearing long sleeves.

I mean, it's like 60 degrees, right? It's 55. And it was, it's been cold. Come on. It's been cold all day. It's 57. I woke up this morning. I looked out my window.

I looked, that's not a thing. It's 41. It's 57. I looked out my window and I saw that the front yard was frosted. Like, my heart dropped. Like I've been cutting my grass It's really bad for the grass Oh really?

Frosts yeah This always happens here too It's like all the plants They start developing buds They're like all right it's time Let's grow And then we hit with the frost And then everything dies

Here's my only thing that compares to that Is we have a We have a on the street we live And we have a tree in front of our house Yeah Beautiful cherry tree And we I get I get two weeks a year

Where that thing is in bloom And it makes me so happy When that thing is in bloom Yeah But there's a few other trees the neighborhood. So I'm always walking around comparing who's, you know, the best tree. Yeah.

I'm partial to mine, of course. There are bigger ones. There are ones that bloom earlier, but then, you know, early showers they're, you know, it's, you know. Okay. Slow and steady. When's the race? Yeah. So right now we're at the point

where like it's almost full, but the top has not fully, fully popped yet. And this weather might mess it up. This weather might mess it up. I hope not. It's always, It's always going to bounce back. I hope so. I hope so, too.

Yeah. All right. We want to talk to evens. You want to do this thing. Yeah, let's just do this. Yeah, let's just do it. All right. I mean, we talked about it a little bit yesterday. Yes.

Everybody's so mad. I'm so angry. Like, we'll give it a minute here. I understand the perspective of these guys talk about all different kinds of. of things and yet they don't have time for this. I will give you a little bit of time. I think that's a fair point. It is only tangentially related to the Eagles.

If you need me to tell you that this doesn't look good, it looks bad. Now you know you can go on with your life. I don't know why you needed me to tell you that. If you need a lesson in media literacy about like what an insider is and what that job entails. E.J. has a class. You can sign up for the journalism class.

Maybe that's a good place to do it. But here's the other thing. Aside from not really wanting to get into the personal lives of people, the idea that this is somehow part of some grand anti-Eagles conspiracy as if A.J. Brown's discontentment has been fabricated is one of the dumbest things I've ever I cannot imagine how dumb people have to be

to think that is the case as if you in your own with your own eyes and ears have not followed AJ Brown as an eagle over the past year like the how deep how deep does this

does this Q&on level conspiracy go like did the Rams almost trade for AJ Brown because they were part of it too and how is Genki Rondo involved somehow Like, who got to Janky? Like, are you kidding me?

And the athletic reported that the Eagles and Rams are close to a trade. So the Rams talked about it at the owners meetings. They almost traded for AJ Brown. So this hasn't just been a Patriots. It does not aid the Patriots for the Rams to be involved in that trade. So the only thing I want to add is the clip that's circulating of us defending Diana's reporting. Like, we, how were we to know the information that has come out in the last week? we did not know the information obviously and we also aren't in the business of speculating about

somebody's personal life we know what's out there you guys all know what's out there we really don't have anything to add to what's out there other than what we did yesterday which is addressing how it affects the eagles which we do not think is very much so other than that like i said yesterday i like to mind my business with stuff like this i don't like to talk about these types of things on the show and that's consistent with players and with coaches as well. I don't talk about players or coaches relationships. And there have been rumors about both, and we don't discuss them on the show.

So that's really all we have to say about it. I know that you guys really want us to say more, but honestly, like, I'm okay with that conversation living where it lives and us not being a part of it. I have one other thing that I think is actually even dumber than that. We go about this very differently. The idea that you would expect someone who got to

to comment on their co-worker in this way? Yes. I mean, how dumb could you be? Get a life. Who did get to Janky? I didn't get involved. Who knows?

All right. Defensive tackles. Who do you like in day three? Who are your day three guys? You're thinking of five guys. Yeah, I've gone through Oh, you've gone through a couple of them. I've got two day three guys in particular, who I like.

The first one, Caleb Proctor. I like Caleb Proctor. From South East Louisiana. This is what the draft is all about, man. Six one. South East Louisiana, he's blowing up. He's running through people. Six one, two hundred ninety-nine pounds, 33-inch arms, natural leverage.

Yeah. He's blowing to the ground. He's got them longer. He's going to lift those all. This is what a day three pick is all about. man. I love watching this guy. 9.51 RAS score and the thing that just gets your heart pumping when you're watching

because you're watching them, you're like, all right, this guy's doing it against Lester competition. Two sacks against LSU. Heighten competition, it's like Harold Fanon against Penn State. It's like you've got to see that. When the competition level raises, he raises game, he was still a problem. I love that guy.

I like him a lot, too. Very fun. Fran has not, Fran watched him at the Shrine game. I can see him there. He's going to nod. So he's got you've got you there's partial notes on him. He didn't fully write him up. So you have some insight.

But I like him a lot. Yeah, he's a fun player. Yeah, he's fun. He's got, I guess I would say he's got some eaglesy, like you could see the Eagles taking a guy like him. It's like a Jalick. Jalick Hunt. Yeah.

It's just like the two small school guys on the defensive line. Right. The other one that I didn't like him quite as much as Caleb Proctor, but I did find him interesting. And I know Eagles fans will have interest in him. I've seen him like circulated as Zane Durant, 6-1, 290 pounds, short arms, but very athletic to kind of compensate

for the fact that he's a smaller defensive tackle. He's really quick off the ball. But yeah, I just, I mentioned with him as well that like, he doesn't have like that pop in his hands that you want to see. He's got a decent bull rush, but it's, I think Fran might have written that he wins with his feet more than his hands, which I thought was a really good way of describing it. So, and not be on the field on first and second down.

Oh, absolutely not. But this is, again, a more, a Jomo, you know, type role that you're, envisioning for him. He has, you know, upside, but I like some of the other guys better. Yeah. And it's very hard for me to get past the biggest red flag here when you're watching his film. Twenty-eight for a defensive tackle? That's a terrible number. Yeah. What are we doing? It's strange. I can't be. I can't abide that. I don't know, like, I mean, maybe he's got a meeting. Maybe there's like a reason for it, but yeah. Yeah, I just, I can't be doing that. Yeah. Not great aesthetic. That's tough. All right. Who's your,

your next one. Those are my guys. Oh, those are all of them. Yeah, those are my guys. Oh, okay. This is, this is undrafted for agency. I just want to see him in camp.

I just want to see this guy's body in camp. Landon Robinson from Navy. 5-Eleven. For a defensive tackle, oh, there is nothing. I like watching more on the football field. That is 5-11 defensive tackle. That is so good.

Of course, he's a captain. He's, you know, he's got all the, overachiever traits you would expect of a guy who's able to exist at 511 as a defensive tackle. Did you look at his picture? No. Why? I mean, your picture in something that is not, I thought he, I didn't think he'd be one of us is what I would say about Landon.

Oh, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I know. I don't know that. Oh, I wouldn't like him as much. I mean, but we had many, many Landon's. Oh, no, I wouldn't have liked him as much if he was what you thought he was. That's not as fun for a 511 defensive tackle. Landon.

That guy just, that guy just needs to get a real man's job. I don't think I've ever met a person of color named Landon. I'm not saying they're not out there, but I don't think I've met one. Okay. Good for him. It's a good name. Here's to you, Landon Robinson. All right, we are about to take a break, and then on the other side, we're going to bring in

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Back on the PHY Eagles podcast, Bo and EJ, and look who's here. Rand Duffy, the Duffman. The Duffman. The All-City NFL draft expert. By the way, I love seeing the enthusiasm for the flyers in the chat. game tonight. Pre-game show starts here at 6.30. Don't miss that. Fran, how are you? Oh, we can't hear you. He's muted. You can mute myself. I mean, what are we doing here? Great, guys. It's, it's been great to

listen to you guys talking through these defensive tackles. I've got some thoughts. Okay. Do you want anything you want to lead with? It's funny because the Tyler O'Neidem, I kind of like Tyler O'Neum. you know i i see him as more like a role player type yeah i i like the player i thought he was one of the best workouts i saw up close at the at the combine it's not a great detackle group um yeah he's he's a little bit of a tough one uh just because the the film is a little bit up and down but the the flashes are really good you think he'd be higher on the eagles board because him being a role player type might not be as much of a detracting factor considering what they already

have in the room i think that he's an eagle's type because of he's a guy that like ojamo i think he's got like front multiplicity like he's got the ability to win from multiple techniques and you know stuff like that where some of these other guys that we're talking through um i think are like pure like this is kind of where they win uh you know like zane durant you kind of know like this is what he is Caleb proctor who ironically enough i have been watching since lunchtime um so i've been oh that report actually will be up there uh you know as you as you guys were talking through them i'm like putting the finishing touches on the on the report.

Oh, so what do we think? Yeah, he's really fun. I mean, I really liked him at Shrine, and I really liked him at Combine where he put on another like 15,

20 pounds, you know, from Trine to there. And I was like, man, he still moves really well at that size. He actually, one of the things I put in just now

in the report for like the numbers that matter. He played 90, it was like 93.9% of his career snaps have come in the B gap, like as a three technique. That's the highest rate. Like, that's the highest rate of any defensive tackle charted

in the last. decade he is a pure that's what I am I am a three technique gap shooting defensive tackle so you know the scheme versatility you know here in Philly probably not not quite there unless you get into a Jim Short scheme but I think that he's a he's a really fun watch really quick front multiplicity oh so love that that's a football guy term right there I'm gonna just I'm gonna just ask you for your thoughts on that my two takes that Grayson Hilton is the perfect shorts guy hmm yeah I I would put him in, he is more of a, like, upfield gap shooter, one gap guy for sure. And then do you like, what do you think about my Daryl Jackson Broderick Bunkley Comp?

I can get there. I like that. What's funny is, is that, so with Darrell Jackson, who, you know, I mean, just tall, long, huge hands, like, just a great looking body, was on the same team down at the Shrine Bowl as Landon Robinson and watch those guys, like, go through, like, one month. Literally, like, standing next to each. other and Landon Robinson looks like you know like like like make a wish kid like oh hello this what a great story this kid's out here uh he he's both guys are really fun in their own ways uh Jackson I just he was like a top 25 player for me coming into the year because just kind of like saying like all right like if the if the upward trajectory continues I'm really excited about Darrell Jackson

and he just always kind of like left me wanting and even like seeing him up close I'm like man that the ability is really really high level stuff it's just like can you like that fire? And even if I understand, like talking with some of the coaches down there, it's like, you know, he's got, he's a good kid, like hard work or all that. You just kind of like need someone to,

you know, kind of like that fire. And if he can get with the right mentor, and that could be like a coach or a teammate, like a vet in the room, then he can really take off. So, Darrell Jackson, he's an interesting player, certainly. We have like a couple of guys in your top 10 who you can buzz through if you want.

There's Lee Hunter from Texas Tech after three years at UCF, some terrible explosive testing results. Like 24 and a half inch vert. It's like the worst vertical in the sample. I think Chris Jones was the bottom one there. Really bad broad as well. But they call him the fridge.

So I like that. And what I really like is this tweet he put out when he transferred from Auburn. Do you see this? No, I'm just laughing. I don't know where this is going. So he commits to Auburn. Okay.

to play for Gus Malzon and they fire Gus Malzahn, but he still plays the first year under whatever that guy's name was. And then he transfers out and he tweets or, I don't know, it could have been Instagram. He says, he's leaving because we got treated like we wasn't good enough and like dogs. That's right. I do remember that actually.

Yeah, I remember saying that. Then he goes to play for Malzano at UCF. Yes. Yeah. I mean, speaking truth. I'm definitely, I think I'm lower on Hunter than consensus. you know, there were some people that kind of, like second round buzz to me, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, he was getting like some first round buzz like in like December, January, you know, Texas Tech they go to the playoff and everybody's excited. And Hunter will have some splash plays that can get you excited, but I just, I didn't see the, the ability to consistently hold up at that size. And then, you know, like the pass rush stuff, like the gap shooting stuff was just okay.

Yeah, I kind of struggled. I saw more of like a backup rotational piece. I didn't think it's not like they can't play, but I saw more of like third defensive tackle in the rotation as opposed to a true starter. And, you know, I'm not taking that until day three. And then the last guy is your defensive tackle 10. Great name, Bryson Eason, and flows beautifully.

Sixth year senior, 323 pounds. We're talking about a nose tackle. It doesn't make sense. But I do love when we get a numbers that matter from you. So I'm going to read those for you. 18 defensive tackles drafted in the last decade have posted a pass rush win rate of 6.3% or less in their final season before being drafted. None of them have turned into consistent starters in the league.

That's the case for Bryson. No sacks in 500 snaps as a senior. Yeah. Yeah. It's tough because when I saw him up close, I was like, oh, I think there's something here. And then, you know, just kind of going through the film, again, just kind of left me wanting. So he's an older player, like you mentioned, Tennessee. You know, they play those guys in waves.

they have. It's just a deep defensive line with young players still in the pipeline still coming. We know that last year they had a few drafted. So I think just looking at Tennessee, those guys can be tough to figure out. But yeah, I wanted to like Easton more than I did based off the tape. I would say one guy that's outside of my top 10 that I would say he's piqued my interest a bit. Okay. Be Baylor's Jackie Marshall. Yeah, you like a Jackie Marshall. Yeah. I think there's something there with that kid too. You know, he's like Proctor, converted line. played linebacker, like Landon Robinson, played linebacker in high school, then moved to

defensive line, eventually defensive tackle. And you could see that on tape, and you can see that up close, like you see the level of movement. He's gotten dinged up with injuries, talk to some coaches down there this offseason. And they speak highly of him as well. It's like, you know what? Like he was one too, because I wanted to talk with some coaches down there about him, because you read through the lines on some like public quotes about him. And it's like, all right, like you can kind see that there's like maturity things or like you know can he put it all together like you know that kind of thing um but it was like the coaches all kind of like spoke highly it was like yeah like worked through it and came out better for it on the other side uh and so i'm excited to see what jacky marshall could do

i was disappointed you know the injuries kind of i think kind of put a hamper a little bit on his senior tape but uh seeing him at try i was impressed he he's got some juice and seeing him at the combine i thought that showed up as well pretty good testing results six two and a half two ninety three at four eight eight 40 with a 169 10 that's some some explosiveness there yeah he's a there's to me there's something there's something there it's a it's not a great detackle group overall you know i think that the the the true like impact like upfield guys there's not there's not a ton of them and then with a lot of the players that i think we're you know that are in that top 10 range are mostly like the run stuffers that don't offer a ton of juice right and so it's a if you need the run stuffer which

the Eagles don't really need that. Yeah. And okay, there's options. But if you don't really need that, this group's not going to give you a ton. Let me ask a friend, a non-defendant tackle question, or just a general question.

The two guys who are coming through the pathway program from Africa. Yeah. With these like amazing testing results. Yeah. Are you doing work on those guys? Can you find out anything about them? I can.

I know the guy who actually like has, you know, kind of heads the scouting for the, for the international pathway program. And he, it's, yeah, I mean, the one guy is extremely gifted, you know, in terms of like the physical tools, the activism. And this is,

this is very similar to, obviously, this is Jordan Milata, right? Right. I think when you're looking at it, uh, what happens now is we'll see like how many visits these guys end up going on.

And that's what happened with Jordan, Jordan went on a late visit to Philadelphia. Jeff Stalyn fell in love with him at the workout. Then in terms of the pre-draft visit, I remember when Myelada was in the building at NovaCare for the visit. And you just kind of say, I'm like, who is that guy? Because there's not a lot of guys that look like Jordan, right? And so, you know, it'll be interesting to see if those guys end up getting drafted.

I can't imagine it's anything later than the seventh. But like Maelada, it's a situation where you are drafting them because you don't want to have to try and get into a bidding war and free agency for them. Yeah, especially in this class, I think it would be worthwhile. Yeah, the one guy's name is UR. Bernard. He went viral probably a week or two ago. I mean, he just looks like... Is that right?

I think he's a detackle. I think they're listed him as an interior rusher. Yeah, I thought, because I think he was like $290 plus, if I remember. Yeah, he's six, four and a half, three hundred and six pounds with 11 inch hands and almost 36 inch arms. What was the 40 time on that? Ooh. Four, six, three. Yeah, four, six, three and three hundred pounds.

I mean, that's silly. I mean, let's go. Six percent body fat. And vertical jump of 39 inches. Well, this is interesting. friend because Connor Barwin was there last night just saying hi to everybody

because the event was raising money for the Make the World Better Foundation and if you think about okay they don't have stout anymore but where do they really have I mean we know that they have the player development program in place

led by Connor Barwin but where is there a spot where they could have like a specialist really work with them feels like defensive line is probably the one absolutely I gotta go to all pH.com to read about Connor Barron's work with the young defensive lineman as a standing quarterback.

Right. Yeah, it's an area where the Eagles definitely feel like they have an edge, you know, compared to the other teams in the NFL. It is that player development team. And I think the proof is there with the work that they've done with a lot of their young players. Okay. I don't know what else we have on defensive tackle for you, Fran. How good do you think Peter Woods is?

Like, where is he in the Mason Graham stack ranking? Yeah, he was, I mean, he was like my number one player, if not by number two player coming in a year. Yeah. And so I haven't fallen too far off on that. Here's what I will say about it though is that, you know, he was like 315, 320 last year and cut like 15 plus pounds to, you know, to play closer to 300 this year. And I do think that that showed up. I think he struggled, you know, holding the point to the level that he did a year ago. Obviously the production wasn't there, but that was the case with all the Clemson guys. What disappointed me, especially as the season, went on like getting into like you know week eight and out from for clemson you know watching tj parker watching avionteau like i didn't see the level of play like the play personality suffer for those guys those guys were still going hard to me like and this was a thing i loved about peter woods watching interesting was the motor and the intensity and like i thought that waned as the season went on this year now you know hey you're you're playing you maybe he you lose confidence you're playing at a lower weight and you're getting bullied to the level of, you know, to the rate that you weren't expecting

and you're not used to. This is a guy that has always been the best, you know, physical, specimen on the field, you know, showed up at Clemson as a true freshman and everyone knew, like, this guy is going to be a top 10 guy, you know, in the future in the NFL, three and done. And, you know, this was the first time where he looked this bad. And so I would imagine that kind of wears on you, especially the team, the team's not doing well. So I'm willing to give him a little bit the grace there. But that, I will say that is like what was most disappointing for me. And it just feels like despite the ability and we know what the upside is, it is similar to the Keldrick Falk where I'm like, yeah, like, all right, this is still a good profile.

There's still a guy that I would want to bet on like he's young, he's athletic, he's all. I do it does feel like people are kind of down on him, you know, around the league. And so I'll be interested to see where he ends up going. I still think he ends up in the teens. You know, I think that Baltimore, you know, Minnesota. So some of these teams, like I do think that that's probably the range. I just, to me, with his talent, like, I don't think, I don't think the character, there's been, like, so, like, oh, like, you know, work out there. Maybe it needs a fire lit under him, like, that kind of thing.

But nothing that would be prohibitive that he would fall, you know, into the deep 20s, into the 30s. I would be surprised if he fell that far. Okay. Good take. He's a good player. He's a good player. I honestly liked his film, like, if we're including 2024, like, you know, saying, like, the total body of work like i like it more than mason graham uh you know and mason graham went uh well that's what i

praise here we go all right friend thank you so much thanks for joining us we're going to do running backs tomorrow or do you think we will be excited about having watched these running backs um no okay yeah it's not it's not a good group of running backs but you germ i love is love is awesome he's honestly like one of my favorite running backs like from a pure profile standpoint that i've ever done. Really? Yeah. I love Jeremy.

I love. Just like literally like everything about him. I really, really like. How would he compare to Bijan for you? Well, that's the thing is my take from the outside is it's like, oh,

we got a generational running back. It's like, okay, well, we had what last year in the year before that. Like, okay. Yeah. I mean,

I don't know about like the generational stuff, but to me, like, I just, the overall profile, right? And it gets, if you get into like the,

like some of the background and like some of the notes I've got on the player and it's like he he hurts his knee and we don't want to do the show before the show but like hurts his knee last year 24 as Notre Dame's going on the title run and uh so he he's he's not the runner he's not the same level of player that that he wants to be right he's their leading rusher and he can't he can't carry that load but he's like no like keep me out there use me as a lead blocker for riley on the goal line right lane it's like yeah he's a starting gunner on their punt coverage team as the lead ball character you're like it's like stuff like that where i'm just freaking love this guy like

He's good and pass pro. He catches the ball, explosive. I really, really like the player. Well, we really, really, really like the analyst. Brand Duffy, thank you so much for joining us and stay with us in EJ time. I was so surprised. Super Chad. That it was EJ time.

I have you from CDP who says EJ. Who is the biggest band you discovered early? The biggest band I discovered early. I don't think. Or maybe he means your favorite one that you discovered early. Yeah, I'm not, I don't know if I've been on the. ground floor of many like bands I love. Certainly not the Beatles.

Yeah, I can't think of any. I just, it's not about finding them early. It's about finding them like a band that you didn't know. I mean, no, I can't think of anybody. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, CDP. Wow. Poor CDP wasted his 199. Got no answer out of you.

All right. I mean, I did not discover these guys early. But Lake Street died. the one who was this week? Well, Lake Street Dive, I've been listening to them for a long time, and I feel like they are becoming more popular. I discovered The Sacred Souls, and you want to talk about some Marvin Gay-ass songs. Those are, they are very, very, like, influenced by Marvin Gay.

And, you know, just that era of music. I was worried when you sent me big Marvin Gay vibes, and it was not dissimilar to the Landon conversation where the picture I could see, like two white guys no they're they're Latinos yeah Latino guys yeah but then you get a clearer picture

okay I'm yeah the lead the front man is uh yeah yeah he's he's another Landon he's a he's a real brother yeah scary pockets also they're like a YouTube

they're like YouTube based band like they put a lot of stuff out on YouTube really Yeah, they're awesome. They are awesome. YouTube band. I mean, just like they make really good content on YouTube. They do like covers of popular songs, and they're like jazzy, funky covers, and they have like special guests in.

And yeah, it's like a, it's very well produced. So. Okay. Here you go, E.J.'s Music Corner. You want to do E.J.'s soccer corner for a minute? Don't you want to get going? Well, yeah, but let me just say, a year ago today, I was at the Park de Prants in Pauie. And I was singing with a bunch of Aston Villa fans.

Champions of Europe, you'll never sing that to the PSG fans. And they beat Aston Villa 3-1 that night. Beat that ass. And then a month later, they became Champions of Europe for the first time. Tough. Oh, Zootal. You'll never sing lottery winner in 2026, Lindsay. Okay.

What a day. Thanks, everybody. for joining us on the Ph.L.Y. Eagles podcast. Back tomorrow, two o'clock talking running backs. And the next week, we'll have offensive line. We'll have safety. We'll have quarterback, I guess. Linebacker. And then. No, right. Yeah, I totally agree. It was like, are you two. You got to get the bucket. My wife didn't know the RU1, RU2 thing either. Really? Yeah, I don't know. This is nuts to me. Maybe comment in the comment below.

EJ had never heard before. And I guess Julia neither. Yeah. The birthday song, Oh, yeah one. Oh, you two.

I mean. I'm impressed that you stopped it too. That feels like, it's like not learning how to tie your shoes. No, I don't think that that is a terrible analogy. To me, I never,

it never even crossed my mind that that was not something that everybody knew. Never heard it. Neither did my wife. So comment below if you've heard that before or if you haven't heard of it. And tell us what you're angry about these days. What's the most important thing going on in the world that you can really get angry about? Yeah.

What can you yell about? Anyway, thanks for joining us. We'll talk to tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And as always, we love you.