PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Draft Wrap: Makai Lemon, Eli Stowers & Howie Roseman’s MASTER PLAN | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 27, 2026

The 2026 NFL Draft is in the books, with Howie Roseman delivering Makai Lemon, Eli Stowers, Markel Bell, Cole Payton, Micah Morris, Cole Wisniewski, Uar Bernard, Keyshawn James-Newby and, of course, Jonathan Greenard. As the dust settles, what did we learn about the Eagles and Howie Roseman’s thoughts on the roster based on the moves he made? EJ Smith and Bo Wulf break it down, with help from Fran Duffy. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody and welcome. The P.HM.I. Eagles podcast on a beautiful Monday from the Xfinity studio. Bo Wolf and E.J. Smith, and we are presented by Ashley and Bet365. E.J., the draft is over. Now, we've just got nothing. That's not true. We got a lot to talk about. We have a lot to get to in today's show. I'm excited for it. I feel refreshed. You know, I got a Sunday. I walk the dogs. I think twice in that time, which is important. You know, you got to stay active, got to make sure you're drinking your water.

I'm ready for today's show. I'm excited to talk about some of these topics. Looking forward to it. We've got a lot coming this week. We'll do a shadow draft. Some guests. We're going to talk about everybody's favorite UR. Bernard. Tomorrow, we're going to dive deep into the undrafted class.

So stay tuned for that. We'll go through all of those guys. Tell you what you need to know. But today, some big picture takeaways from Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianney's press conference. Just the things that they did over the course of the weekend. We're also going to talk to Alec Lewis from the other. athletic to give us his perspective, the Vikings perspective on Jonathan Grenard. The great friend Duffy will join us.

We'll look back on the draft games and whatever else we got going on. How are you? I'm doing great. I see a question in the chat from NEPA there. Did I have time to mow my lawn? Of course I had time to mow my lawn. Let's get a real here. The second the sun came out, I was on that mower, taking care of the grass.

Because my grass is growing at an alarming rate right now. I got my mower deck all the way up, but had a good time. I think the biggest news of the day, I mean, Lindsay just rocked this kick-ass leather jacket. I mean, what a badass. I know. I mean, Lizzie's a badass every day. I know. Now she looks how she generally comes across.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, brass knuckles in her pocket. This is very impressive to see. Crack some skulls. All right. Let's start with the post-draft presser. Yeah.

From Howie and Nick. Obviously a long day on Saturday. hope you were there for all seven hours of coverage what were your big takeaways from those two guys you know I hate to start with the seventh round pick but that was your number one takeaway it actually was there was a lofty comparison in there for one Cole Wisniewski so honestly that was my biggest takeaway

was how he was talking he was very quick to say that Cole Wisniewski reminds him of Reed Blankenship and I listen it's a late round safety addition there is some parallels there I mean the the way that they both look, I would say, is maybe another reason. Yes, the pigment. Thank you. I was trying to figure out the right way to phrase that one.

But yeah, he mentioned read Blankenship very quickly when talking about Cole Wuzziwski. In a way that surprised me. I mean, Cole Wazuski is like, if he could be half of what read Blankenship is, that's a great seventh round pick. Howie Rosen said there's some reminders of a guy. I'm not going there. There's some reminders of a guy that we want a Super Bowl with. Those are tough shoes to fill.

But when you watch him, you saw some of the things. that you liked on Reed. That would be an unbelievable outcome, an unbelievable career that Reed had. Missed that guy for sure, but those are some of the things that we saw. I mean, the Eagles have a safety spot in the starting lineup up for grabs.

I think Colozusky is going to compete for that job. I would not go that far. I would. I love Colesniewski. That's my guy from the draft at safety. I think putting, competing for a starting job. I mean, he will start, he will start training camp. He read Blankenship didn't do that.

He will start in training camp on the third team. Like all the rookies do, but they are clearly bullish on him based off of what how... I thought that was a lofty comparison. And how he, I guess how he can sometimes throw out those lofty comparisons. Yeah, he compared to Jamaica Parsons. Yeah, that one was quite lofty. But I think you, I think you were a little bit too much into that. It surprised me on day three of the draft.

That's all, sir. I think there are a couple of things about it that are interesting, though. One is, if they're evaluating him like Reed Blankenship, remember that Reed Blankenship wasn't undrafted signing for them, who didn't get a lot of guaranteed money. And that tells you the quality of this class in the seven-three. they're using a pick on a player who is not quite read Blankenship. Howie said something interesting about they've done research on what seventh round picks have hit.

And so you'll notice that their seventh round picks come from generally one of two buckets, either guys with unbelievable physical tools or guys who are just good football players and might be like missing some kind of outsized tool, but boy, are they productive. And that's the kind of player that Cole Wisniewski is. and that sounds interesting until you really think about it every player falls in that bucket every player being drafted in the seventh round

is one of those two things yep right like it would be hard to thread the needle of just being okay but also a bad tester so it makes sense but I think that he's what he's saying is it's a continuum and they're basically

they're looking at the street yeah you want to be superlative on one side of that spectrum or the other yeah I think that that is fair and yeah I mean if you look at I think Cole Wizzuski is like good football player Like you check that box. He's far on that side of the spectrum.

And then Uar Bernard is quite literally all the way on the other side of it. Where I mean, just unbelievable physical traits. I think it was NFL Network flashed up his testing next to Miles Garrett. It's like, man, that is jarring. Now listen, he's got to learn how to play football. But test results are insane. Yeah, even, I don't know if you watched him run the 40. He didn't look like he practiced running the 40.

It looked like he just ran as fast as he could without, you know, without too much there. So to me, like, he's going to be a fun player to watch, a fun player to keep an eye on over the next few years. But I got where he was saying, like, it is. Like, you have to be superlative somewhere for them to be, for them to take you on day 30. 6.4.5.306. 35 and 7th inch arms with 11 inch hands. Like all of those are the biggest. Actually, no, DeForest Buckner. And J.J. Watt had bigger hands.

but the vertical and the broad at his size 39 inches and 130 inches It's close the best And the second best is JJ 1 120 inches His broad is 10 inches longer This outrageous, it's crazy Right a projection That'll be one of the most fun things to follow

Probably over the course of like the next three training camps Yeah absolutely Because yeah it took Jordan Mallat up a long time By the way I get there This is for the real sickos how the exemption works for these guys

because the Eagles also signed another international player pathway person Thomas Weiru Yes You get the exemption for 90 on the training camp roster

from 90 to 91 and then you get the exemption on the practice squad from 16 to 17 UR does count is eligible even though he's a draft pick He is eligible for that exemption, but you only get one exemption.

So if they wanted to, if they wanted to have UR and Thomas Weiru in the building, only one of them could take that spot. Yeah, so, I mean, not to say that they would cancel each other out from that perspective, but yeah, you'd have to carry one of them on the roster theoretically. Or the practice squad. Right. Well, I mean, that's the one thing I was thinking about with UR. Bernard.

Like, it's hard to envision him making the 53, but if they put him on practice squad. That's what they, that's the dance the Eagles had with George Milata. Yeah, it's like, kept him on the roster. You think, yeah, it's, I mean, you have the extra spot. So I guess maybe next one of us. We'll do a 53 man. Yeah, you know, early 53 projection. Honestly, thinking about it, it's like, why would you risk it?

I think I would have him on the roster yet. Yeah, like if he has one, if he has one flash play in preseason, one. If he literally does one impressive thing, you're going to be worried about losing him for a year. You got my other big takeaway? Sure. So, Howard Roseman, talking, it was a question that you asked about the coach's vision for players. and whether or not they're drafting for the scheme. Because he danced around it a little bit, but go ahead.

I mean, the quote doesn't like jump out to you. He said he can like a player, but if they have a conversation with the coaches and they don't have a vision for the player, it's not going to work out very well. To me, it's not necessarily a takeaway from the press conference, but just a takeaway, the more I thought about it, the more, like, reinforced I felt about.

Like, this draft, to me, really pushes a lot of chips in the table on Sean Mannion as a schemer, a play caller, as a coach that has a vision for each of the first two picks in this draft. Like both McCoy Lemon and Eli Stowers are not the types of players where it's like they just fit into whatever offense. They're not they're not scheme agnostic, you know, which is a phrase I like to use with players.

Like you have to have a clear vision. If they had drafted Casey Concepcion and let's call it Max Claire, like you don't have to say, Max Claire's probably not the best there. But you know what I mean? You don't have to scheme around Oscar Delp and Casey Concepcion, right? those are two players you can put them into the offense that you had last year and you can expect them to play reasonably well now maybe if you feature them they play better but to me mckeye lemon and eli sowers are both players that require a creative offensive coach that equals clearly think they have that in sean manion but to me it invites almost more variance like there's a high ceiling with those players in this system there's also a lower floor because of some of the things that they can't do i know howie roseman doesn't like to focus on what players can't do but again i do think that informs like how much they are relying on Sean Manning and how much faith they have that he can get this right. Yeah, I think from a

process standpoint, if this had been Shane Steichen offense, I don't know that these would have been the first two picks. Yeah. I actually feel, I would say I feel more confident that they still would have drafted Stowers. Yeah, I agree with that. Then Levin. And maybe they would have been willing to sit back for Casey Concepcion. I think they see a specific vision for McCoylellan. But your larger point is probably my biggest takeaway as well, which is just that man is Sean Mannion, the most important person for the 2026 season. Now, like, Jalen Hertz is in that.

It's a sentence you wouldn't have expected to say two months ago. Yeah, it's crazy, but so much depends on Sean Mannion turning this offense into what they think it can be. And piggybacking off of that, another thing that has, I think it was my fifth takeaway on day three on all p.h.O.com, and I wrote my takeaways on Saturday night. I wanted to find parallels between the run on defensive players the Eagles front office has accumulated over the last few years.

And I'm thinking about the Jordan Davises, the Jalen Carter's, the Nicopi Deans, the Nolan Smiths. And I'm wondering, like, are there any parallels that you can draw from this shift, this transition to the offensive side?

And I don't know if there's a lot of clean ones. I mean, it's like, productive players from big programs, but not necessarily all SEC, obviously, with McCoy Lemon coming from USC there. So for me, it wasn't as like same same to what they did on defense.

It wasn't like they went out and draft like Oscar Delp would have been an example. Now he wasn't quite productive, but a player with great physical traits from a program that they know well from a big school in the SEC. I think Eli Stowers, I guess you could kind of squint and see it with him there as a parallel. I would say so, yeah. Yeah, but Mackay Lemon, like, I think your parallel is probably actually Devante Smith. Like if you were trying to find somebody in the Eagles draft history, recent history, you're saying like a Bolitnikoff winner.

Like, I mean, no, play style-wise, I totally agree. I'm talking about like the type of evaluation that you're going for, like a highly productive receiver from college who is undersized and that's a big question mark. But there aren't a lot of clear parallels. And then the thing I defaulted to is like they really like had a lot of faith in Vic Fangio bringing this group together, bringing this young nucleus together. And really Vic Fangio and the staff underneath Vic.

And now that I think that is the biggest parallel is like you're putting a lot of faith in the coaching staff to bring these guys along. Yeah. I think that's fair. Yeah. Are you surprised that there wasn't more like this, it didn't, like, you know, it would have, it wouldn't have surprised me going into the draft if they drafted a couple of players and it was like, I can totally see, like, I can trace this back to a Jordan Davis,

Cam Juergens, Milton Williams type, type picks in that, you know, that early foundation forming for the defense. I don't feel like there were as many, like, it wasn't easy to go like, oh, yeah, like I can see the thinking now being applied to the offensive side? I feel like you could you could think that, Mikea let me, I mean, as how he said in his pre-draft press conference, this is a player they expect to be here for two contracts and have Pro Bowl upside. One thing I want to get into later in a D-block is like the sliding doors of what could

have been if it had been one of the other top 15 players on their board who had fallen, you know, if it had been Monroe Freeling, if it had been. Kenyon Sadiq and what the draft might have looked like and how you think the Eagles would have pivoted from there. We'll do that later in the show. Yeah. But I think it is fair to read, they entered this draft

making, reshaping the receiving core a priority. Yeah, past catchers. I think they went into this draft. I still think their plan A was to get a blue chip tackle prospect. With the way the board fell, I think plan B is exactly what you said, finding past catchers.

Yeah, but I, But I think, and I'm just guessing here, I don't think they viewed Monroe Freeling as, like, I think they had Lemon higher on their board than Freeling. I agree. Yeah, when you said Freeling, I kind of winced. I was like, I think Proctor is the guy. Now, I think Sadiq was probably higher on their board than Lemon. I don't know about that. I think he was.

I don't know about that. Yeah. I wish that we could ask how you need to actually give us an answer on that one. All right. Let's take our first break here on the P. H.I. Eagles podcast. On the other side, the great Alec Lewis joins us to talk about Jonathan Grenard, why he was available and what he brings to Philadelphia.

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I mean, I think I'll have more to say on the edge rusher who had 12 and a half sacks in 2024 than the offensive line coach I talked to and roasted me for showing him clips. So yeah. All right. Let's do it. First question. Why is he available? Why are, the Vikings willing to get rid of Jonathan Grinardt. Yeah, I mean, it's a combination of two things. The Vikings entered the offseason, believe there were $46 million over the cap. And so they had a lot of work to do. And we're not, you know, really willing to go down the road of the new contract as far as

Jonathan Gernard and Drew Rosenhouse wanted him to go, wanted to go down. And so it's, it was where the Vikings were from a financial perspective. and it was as committed and convinced as John O'Gernard and Drew Rosenhouse were that he was deserving of the contract that Philadelphia ultimately paid them. I mean, I've written this and I wrote it back in March, like when it was first public that Jonathan Gernard was going to seek a new deal from another team, there was an NFC team who I talked to,

who was like, we'd love the player, but that contract is just nowhere close to something we're willing to do. And so it was always a question of who would be willing to go that far, and Philadelphia ultimately was. And I think it's fair to say, and maybe you can give us more context here, but it's a little bit bold to demand a new contract coming off a three-sac season.

So what went into that and the drop in productivity from the 12 sacks the year before? Yeah, so I mean, the production with Jonathan Gardnerd in 2025, it's really like a, what is your perspective and you can spin it whichever way you want to spend it? Like all of his advanced metrics are really, really good, whether you're talking pressure rate, pass rush win rate, run stop,

win rate. I mean, all of that stuff is really phenomenal. But you guys know that sacks do matter in the National Football League. And when you have as few as he did, it becomes a part of the calculus from the team's perspective. And I'd also say this, he's a guy who had a ton of injury history before he got to Minnesota in the 2024 season. They really bet on him before that 24th season through free agency. He made them look really good that year.

And then last year had to, you know, he ended the season early with shoulder surgery. So that was another element of the calculus from Minnesota side is not only did they want to rip up a deal with two years remaining on it and pay him $50 million guaranteed, but he's also about to turn 29 years old. And so if you're guaranteeing 50 million by the time he's 31 years old, with where they were from a team building cycle, it just didn't make any, it didn't make sense for them. And so that's why, you know,

people here have been like, that's all you got as two third round picks. I think, you know, part of it is because there were very few teams willing to step up and pay the money that Philadelphia was, was able to somehow pay, given the cap commitments that they already have.

Yeah, I was going to ask you, Alec, like when we talked to you about Chris Cooooke, or it seemed like Vikings fans were really happy with that with that series of events they were happy to see him. Praise Allah. Heading to Philadelphia.

So it sounds like there is maybe a mixed feeling from fans about Jonathan Granard heading to to the Eagles. Yeah, I'd say, I mean, it's probably more people are upset than mixed. I'd say just because of, I mean, he was a pretty electric player at times. He can win as a one-on-one pass rusher in a way that, I mean, probably not going to find 20 to 25 guys better than him in that regard. I think part of the, you know, consternation for the Vikings in particular is like,

well, you want to be paid as a 10 to 15 level guy and it's probably more in that 15 range. And so ultimately that's why they were willing to do it. But Rob Rizzynski, the interim GM set Friday night, like this deal makes us worse. We're not jumping excitedly about this. and I think that was in many ways to placate fans who were, you know, who reacted pretty rashly to it. But they have a former first round pick in Dallas Turner entering his third year,

able to step into that exact role. And so they had a little bit of a runway as well from a roster perspective to make this kind of move. Tell us a little bit about the kind of player, Jonathan Granard, is beyond as a passhatcher. How is he on early downs? Is this a guy who can, you know, who can play 75% of the snaps? Yeah, I mean, he is phenomenal against the run. Brian Flores used to always say, I mean, I think it was early in the 2025 season when the sack production wasn't there. Brian Flores would say, well, you see 10 sacks, but a guy plays a thousand snaps.

So what does he do on the other 990 snaps? That was his comment that he often used in relation to Jonathan Gernard, great against the run. I'm not going to see him drop into coverage a ton, but as a one-on-one pass rusher, I mean, he's got a spin move. He can beat guys around the edge. He's pretty violent and active. And he does, I mean, he plays, you know, the cliche would be plays to the whistle. Like he is, he does not stop.

And that is for certain a part of his game. The Vikings are also, their defense is very team oriented. So there are times where you're not going to be the guy that's going to get that sack. You've got to play your part. And he was willing to do that more often than not. Really, vocal guy in the locker room. Was the guy playing music in the locker room? Was the guy who wanted to mess reporter with reporters in the locker room?

So big personality type of guy for sure. And so that's kind of what you guys are probably going to get on a daily basis. Yeah, my initial impression of him, I don't know if you guys do like a media appreciation award out there in Minnesota or the Good Guy Award, whatever you might call it. But I say he's an early favorite for us based off of our first interaction with him. So it's good to hear that that's not like a, you know, That's not, that wasn't a facade for an introductory press conference there.

No, he's, I mean, he is after games, he had quotes. He, he was not afraid to take stabs. I mean, he's very online. So he knew all the time what was being said about the team. He wasn't afraid to bring that up post game, before games. So if you doubt the team and then he goes out and has three sacks, you're probably going to hear about it directly right in your face. That's just kind of the type of guy he is, the type of guy to hang with.

Big Dom, apparently. Big Dom. It was great to see him with him out at the Sixers game the other night. So, yeah, he. I'm going to let you keep that taking the holster, Alec. Yeah, I'm not going to say much more on Big Dom. But it was great to see that he was with Jonathan Gernard the other night. And so, yeah, I think, look, he will be a guy that Eagles fans love, just absolutely love

because he will be everything about, you know, what that city and what that team represents, I think. Like if we drop your name, will that matter to him? I'm not sure if I do that. I mean, we had some, it was a tough 20, 25 season in many respects with the Minnesota Vikings. So there were some, there were some, you know, he and I had some good conversations. I'll say this, like, in every interaction we had, there was a maturity to it. He understood it. We, you know, he would laugh probably if he brought up my name.

But I respect the heck out of him as a player. And he can be really, really impactful. So, you know, I will say this too. It's been interesting, and you guys know this probably, but over the course of the last few years, it feels like Vic Fangio and Brian Flores had their eyes on similar guys all the time. Like Zach Bonn was one of those guys who Brian Flores wanted.

Interesting. Vic Fangio had his eyes on Andrew Van Ginkle. So it feels like there's a lot of similar Isaiah Rogers, another guy who's bounced between the two. So it seems like there's a lot of crossover there. It's funny because those are such, completely different scheme. Yeah, but they both have the same play personality.

Yeah. I think it's a play personality thing to a certain extent, right? Like you have to be, you know, through the whistle, as Alec put it, if you're going to play in either of those systems. I have a draft question for you, Alec, which is the Vikings stay at 18 and take kind of a reach there, I think on consensus boards and Caleb Banks. Do you have any insight as to whether they were fielding calls? Because Howie Roseman has talked about, he sort of expected more movement there.

And that could have been a spot where. where they also would have moved up. Yeah, I definitely think, I mean, as teams always do pre-draft and during the draft, as things are leading up to the pick, like the Vikings were absolutely on the phones, talking to teams about the idea of moving back. I think ultimately they just decided with some information about some of the teams in the 20s, that it, you know, for their, for the purposes of the guy they wanted at that spot, that they just felt like they wanted to stay there and pick their guy.

Now, that will be, this pick in particular will be in two years, and much maligned, or it will be celebrated, you know, by leaps and bounds, by both fans here and the entire draft ether. And so I will be, I will have fun watching people analyze this thing to the bitter end of what Caleb Banks becomes. But there's no question, like, it surprised everybody in the industry that they did that at 18, including me. I thought if they were going to do it,

it was going to be via a trade down. They just decided to do it at 18. Well, they didn't have a GM, so, yeah, tough to. Well, I guess, consummate those deals. Here's what I'd say about that. And I'm not, you know, people are going to be like, oh, a team guy here.

But like, they have an interim GM and he's been in the NFL for 30 years, and he's been in every draft meeting, and he's been their cap guy negotiating for, 25 years. It's not like Rob Brzezinski. Oh, so he's not a football guy. Yeah, he's not a football guy. So he knows nothing about the NFL. But it's not like they just brought in Joe Blow from the street to just, you know, be on the phones. And I will also say Kevin O'Connell and Brian Flores have a lot of experience. So again, it's an easy one in 20 years or whatever, three years of

if Caleb Banks is a disaster, be like, they didn't have a football guy. They just got Rob prison. But in three years of it's great, you could also spin it, you know, finally he got his opportunity to be in that role. So, you know, it's, this is a silly league guy. And he took DeMaun Clayboard, so he knew he was doing. That's your guy. No comment. No comment. No comment on Deeks. Come on. So you like, so you liked them on Clayboard.

Well, in the sixth round, I'm fine with it. It's just a college. Yeah, he's being, he's got the hat. He is, he is an electric player. He really is. But he's got a lot of stuff. And I will leave it at that. Oh, well, I'm not familiar. well you're awake for i mean come on you got to type your sources from from local i guess i do um all right any other any other thoughts alec any anything else that we should keep an eye on for for mr green darts um no i don't believe so i mean again you guys are going to like him the

locker room he'll be he'll be entertaining um and if you call out the team and he's probably going to come up to you and talk about it so uh look he's he is he really is a dang good player i i mean I cannot say that enough. I've told him that directly. Like he is a really impressive player and productive player when he's healthy. So it could, I mean, you know, if the Eagles make a deep run and the defense, a major part of it, you're going to probably look back at this move and say it's another one of those Howie swings that paid really big dividends.

Fantastic. Alec Lewis. Thank you so much. We look forward to the next reason that we have to talk. Thanks, Alex. Anytime. Anytime. Thanks, guys.

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Back in PHA, YGO, Eagles podcast. And it's time to go back to the Xfinity Mobile call-in line now and bring in our friend the great-all-city NFL draft analyst. Fran Duffy. Hi, Fran. What's up, Fran?

What up, guys? How's it going? Good, how are you? You got me? Yeah, we got you. You got us? Can you not hear us? we're talking we hear you i think it's a now you can hear us it's a fran issue

lindsay it's a fran issue you got me now yeah we can hear you the whole time yeah i uh realized while we were in break that i didn't have my mic plugged in yet it was still that i had in my bag from the draft um by to run down grab the mic plug it in and then i realized oh it's not it's not set as the mic so i went to go switch it to the mic but i switched the speaker to the mic, not the mic to the mic. Classic. Classic error. You corrected it just like any good player.

Don't make the same thing. Adaptability. They say. Yeah. That's right. How is, what are you doing right now? What is your, now you've got your grades posted on all p.chly.com for Eagles fans, but, you know, you've, you've, you've, you've crested this mountain. What next?

So I've watched Capina Gushikin. Nice. Yeah. Kepenegucichen. Yep, I went through Tucker Large. Sounds a little boring to me, but And then I'm getting ready to start Maximus Polly. Yeah, a lot of horny signings from just say really.

Yeah. Good for you. I guess we're gonna, we'll break those guys down tomorrow. Yeah, so I'm hoping to have that done, certainly by it'll be done by the show tomorrow for sure. So I did the draft grades. That's up for diehards now on all p.hoi.com. I did that for every market this morning. So that's done for all the markets now.

So now I'm starting the undrafted free agent pieces. It'll be my week, I think, doing all the undrafted free agents for all the city teams. That's fun. You are here so that we can go over the games, the results from the weekend. Now we start with the game that you were not a part of, and that was the Duck Duck, Duck, Duce Draft. Most people say it's the longest running game. It's the most prestigious. But it has sort of drops down the list.

It has become the least. prestigious because it's so open to luck of the draw. No, it's not. You literally said before the game that it was the most prestigious game. No, I never said that. Yes, you did. I'm on the tape. And,

and friend, you are here because you did stack the deck for EJ and it worked out correctly. I had the first pick and I took tackle. I got five points for that for a third round pick. BLG then, and this was, you know,

this was his error. Shout out to BLG. he took edge. So it gets one point there for the final pick of the draft. And then EJ goes wide receiver tight end. It gets seven and six points respectively. 13, tough to overcome. BLG goes interior offensive line, gets two points for Michael Morris.

I get one point at safety for Cole Wisniewski. BLG then gets three points for Cole Payton. And EJ gets a late one point for UR. Bernard. EJ takes this one home 14 to 6 to 6. Good job by him. Great job by me. I appreciate the recognition. This is my first time winning a game, I believe, on the show.

Maybe the last time, too. So I will take the win where I can get it. All right. By the way. You did do the crown thing on the soup draft the other day, and instead of you putting a crown in your head, it looked like you were just putting a bowl of soup on your head. Well, that works too.

I got some good feedback from the soup draft. That was a fun exercise. But I just want to point out, you guys, Fran, I should have run the tape on all this. Fran said I flushed the draft down the toilet because I took specialist last. Who's the victory now? Who's the champ now?

You could have lost on that. You could have lost. Yeah, he could have lost because of that move process of results. Yeah, absolutely. I have no regrets. I was reading for it the whole time. I still maintain victory as far as I'm concerned.

But the app draft, I really do think I nailed that one. No. That was a fun one. I think I won both. No. You, that's the one where you really flushed it down the toilet. The app draft.

If I. It took phone and FaceTime. Yeah, but I still think. What a waste of resources. People were on my side with that one. And the soup draft, I won that. Nobody was on your side. I won the soup draft running away.

Not true. Yeah. And then you're going to go play basketball after having your four suits. Honestly, the probably the whole, like a top five, one of the weirdest thing that they've ever been said on the show was that. I mean, it was more just like the, as if there is any soup. that would be good for before a basketball game. You can eat some chicken tortilla soup

and go play basketball? No, that is not true. I'm not sure how you play basketball. That's not fly. What has become the most prestigious, the game that people remember the most is the Al-you-know draft where we draft 10 players and try to really specifically nail

who the Eagles are going to draft, who really knows ball. Fran, you had some close calls. Monroe Freeling. Maxi Hanachor could have been the pick on either side if they had moved up more if they had stuck at 23 Deny Dennis Sutton

Oscar Delp Chelin Kilgore Travis Burke Wesley Williams maybe if they had stayed in the fourth Nate Borkature Jalen Farmer and Anthony Lucas We thought maybe you'd get Anthony Lucas at the end I know

Unfortunately you go over 10 EJ Kaden Proctor Chris Bell Kenyon Sadiq Isaiah World A.J. Halsey Keldrick Falk

Eli Stowers a big hit in round two, a five-pointer for you, then Gabe Accus, Jude Bowery, and with your last pick, you were talking about you were talking about. Throw it away. You could have gone with him,

but instead you go Spencer Fanon and you miss. So five points for you, good start. But nobody knew ball like your boy who used the number one overall pick on truly knowing Howie Roseman better than anybody else. Not going to get a tackle in the first round, but he's going to want a guy with upside.

Marky Mark, Mark. Kell Bell, number one overall, six points for getting that in the third round. And then Justin Jolie, Ted Hurst, Sam Roush, LT. Overton, Max, Claire, Casey Concepcion, Taco Davis, Drew Aller, Caleb Douglas, I take home the win. Finally, Turkey's to the Draft Kingdom. Not the most prestigious, but the one that does best reflect who knows the most. Can you just say that two minutes ago? No, that's the most memorable.

Al, you know, it's the most memorable. This is the one who has the most breadth of knowledge about what's going on inside the building. Eagles first pick of the draft will be before 23. We all thought that that was the most likely, but I had the most turkeys on it. 70, 43, 55. The Eagles' second pick will be at 54. Once again, friend, we went a little bit on before,

but EJ had the most there, 60 for you, 50 for me, 36 for Fran. How many total picks will the Eagles make in the draft, despite all that moving around? It was exactly eight. And Fran had the most there. 38. I had 35. E.J. had 15. Will the Eagles make a trade involving a veteran coming or going? We all thought that this was likely.

But I put the most turkeys on it. 83. 63. 61 for Fran. 70 for E.J. The Eagles first pick will be from which position? Wide receiver. I had 20. Fran had 18. E.J. had 10.

Second pick will be tight end. E.J. had the most turkeys on that with 15. Fran had 12. I had eight. The highest 2027 pick, which is traded away by the Eagles will be. Rounds 3 and 4. E.J. had the most turkeys at 40. I had 35.

Fran had 17. On which side of the ball will the Eagles make more picks? Offense, defense, or push? I pushed it all in. Got 100 turkeys here. Fran had 74. E.J. had 80. Will the Eagles draft multiple players from the same position before the end of the fourth round?

I had no. And I was the only one who thought that that was most likely. I had 60. Fran had 44. E.J. had 25. Will the Eagles draft a quarterback? Both of you guys thought that was more likely. EJ 55, Fran 52.

I only had 39. The first Tident will be drafted in rounds one and two. EJ came out on top there. 50, 37 for Fran, 25 for me. And then will somebody report the likely A.J. Brown compensation over the course of the weekend. We all thought that was no. Although E.J. actually thought it was yes. So I had 72.

Brann had 67. and EJ had 40. Fran, you come up with 499 turkeys. That's a lot of turkeys. Not enough. E.J. 515 turkeys and running away. Oh, my God.

Just sprinting away. You thought the pen relays were impressive this weekend. Me, pulling away. 597 turkeys. Oh, baby. That's not that many more turkeys than me. 597 versus 15? No, my biggest lesson in this is I needed to go all in like you did on a couple of things.

I was confident about because I feel like if I did that, probably come away with this one. I beat you by 82 turkeys, dude. Yeah, but like you have 100 on things and I was like hedging like 65, 70. No. I got to be more, I got to be more committed to the ones I feel good about next year. I think that's a good lesson for you. If you're listening, future E.J. All right, E.J., friend, I don't want to completely waste your time here and just read things while you sit there.

So we should ask you a question. as you have let this draft sit what are your big takeaways from what the Eagles did yeah to me it was a really good mix especially when you factor in Jonathan Grenard a really good mix of

like right now like immediate help with high upside swings for 2027 and beyond you know I think when you have Markell Bell who are Bernard like you have some high upside swings for players that you know that have the traits

I had the same takeaway that you did bow and hearing Howie Roseman talked about Cole Wisniewski, like that is not a player that they typically try and target on day three of the draft. And the fact that he made that comparison to re-planketship, I think does speak to the quality of the draft, especially by the time we got to that point. But then also the fact that they needed somebody to come in and try and compete for a roster spot right away.

I would be surprised if Cole Wisniewski is the starter by the time we get to, by the time we get to September. But, you know, the fact that he, like, pointed to that, I thought was really interesting. Yeah, I think and look, I said this about Mackay Lemon too. Like I had reservations about Mackay Lemon. I was probably lower on him than most like in the media. But to me, the the reservations I had were not, it was like I think he's kind of like scheme

dependent. He's situation dependent. And I think this is a great situation for him where he does not have to be the guy. He's going to me like if we expect the Sean Manning offense to look the way, you know, that other offenses that he has been with have worked in the past. I think this is a really good fit. So to me, no, I thought it was a good draft. Let's talk about Stowers, because that, you know, that is the one where you are on a bit of an island.

But is it fair to say that you see their vision for him as a player and what he could bring as a receiving first tightette? Yeah, like, I see the allure. Like I get the allure with the player, right? When you have a player that tests the way that he did from an athletic standpoint, that produced the efficiency that he'd did into the volume that he did over the course of his career. Like that's that that can be someone that you want to try and bring into your building. I just feel like there's so many of these guys that have this type of profile, they very rarely meet expectation. And so when I'm doing these projections for for these players, and again, it's scheme agnostic, right? Like I'm projecting for all 32 teams.

And I see a player like Eli Stowers. He's all right, well, the most likely outcome is that he is more of like a role player as opposed to like the guy in an offense when I see the issues that he's had as a blocker. I guess my big concern is that you mentioned like pass first option, right? I'm worried that he becomes a pass only option. And if that's the case, that's something Nick Siriani I know talked about earlier this off season. You don't want to be predictable as an offense when one guy is out on the field. That's my concern with a player like Eli Stowers. And so to me personally, like I always knew like, all right, he's going to be a second or third round pick. He's going to be a day two pick. That's how I had him valued in the draft guide. I always had him further down the pecking

order because I worry about whether or not he's going to reach that upside. And I think the most likely outcome is that he won't. Now, that's it. Like, he very well could. He's a great kid. He's a phenomenal athlete. I absolutely like, he can get there. I just said there are too many other examples of guys that have not reached that ceiling. And so that's why I would be a little bit lower on the pick compared to consensus. Okay. That's fair. Good stuff. Well, we will let you get back to crushing the tape on these UDFAs. Fran will be with us tomorrow as we break down the Eagles undrafted for agent class,

but for now we'll let you go. On the other side, we're going to talk about some of the other outcomes that could have been for the Eagles in the first three rounds of the draft. Thank you so much, Fran. Thank you, Fran. Yep, you got out. See, guys. All right. Upgrade your home for less during Ashley's Memorial Day event.

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presented by our friends at True Mark Credit Union the right people and here's my question for you J if we think about the way that how we talked about how this draft played out

yeah they had 15 guys that they would have been willing to trade up for and Mikhail Levin was the last guy among those 15 so what if a different player had been the one to fall and they had still moved up I'm going to give you a couple choices

tell me which outcome you think is best for the Eagles. Okay, I like it. So you've got Mackay Lemon, Eli Stowers, Mark Elbelle. If it had been Kenyan Sadiq who fell instead. You're really speaking my language here. And instead, that trio is Kenyon Sadiq. I think we read it as the Eagles did want to draft another wide receiver. Yeah.

And also the way that the board looked at that spot, there's not really someone else who's super tempting to you. It could have even been a small move down. Yeah, Chris Bell went 94. That's why I would have had up taken before. Well, I'm going Clemson wide receiver Antonio Williams. Okay. As the likely one there because he's a similar role.

Michael Lemon, not quite the same player, but does his best work inside. And then we'll say Mark Ebell again. So Lemon Stowers Bell or Sadiq, Antonio Williams, Bill. I mean, you know how I'm going to answer it because I am high on Kenyon-Sadik. I think that the two-way aspect of his game makes him an easier. projection and then also informs like a player like Antonio Williams is easier to envision a specialized role because you do have a tight end that is theoretically plug and play. So for me, I would rather that draft hall. But again, like, I think Kenyon Sadiq's range was like

affirming for the player that I thought he was or the prospect, like how much I liked his profile, I think it made sense that he went earlier. So really, you're probably talking about do you want the Eagles to give up more draft capital to get a player like that? I would rather have what the Eagles did get in that in that framing because I think the wide receiver matters more and if you're willing to take a wide receiver that early

I think I think Lemon is a better player than Antonio Williams and I think if Eli Stowers is who the Eagles think he is he's basically Kenyon Sadiq but not as good of a blocker But that's a big if Of course it is but like I think there's a chance that Antonio Williams just has nothing for you Yeah I would I would rather have Lemon Stowers Now, what if Monroe Freeling had been the player to fall?

And instead, they move up for Monroe Freeling. And so now you get Monroe Freeling, Eli Stowers still, and Antonio Williams in the third round. I'd rather have the Eagles draft hall. I was lower on Monroe Freeling. And, yeah, I get the sense, again, like, if he were somebody the Eagles really wanted, if they were convicted or convinced that he could be a right tackle of the future for them, I think they would have moved up to get him. So I'm going to trust the Eagles evaluation there and stick with their draft holder.

I think I like the Eagles one better too. Yep. And this is the only one where I feel like might be better. But even then I'm not convinced. I'm just laughing at the chat. The most two recent chats, one person saying like, E.J. just loves Kenyantadik so much. I'm so like, you can't even ask him a question about Kenyansadik. And then the next one's like, all right, Bo, we get it.

You hate Kenyansidi. The duality of the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. What if they had just. stayed Pat at 23 and taken Casey Concepcion, one pick later, and it's the same draft hall, but you have two fourth round picks. So instead of Mackay Lemon, Eli Stowers, Markell Bell, you get Casey Concepcion, Eli Stowers, Markle Bell,

and Devin Moore, a cornerback from Florida, and L.T. Overton, the time. Oh, man. Yeah, I knew those are the players, but hearing you say it, it really is like, I'd rather have that. I said it You know we put out a thing like bold prediction from the draft I said Casey Concepcion could be the best receiver from this class

Now again that's a bold prediction I'm not saying I think it's a high likelihood But I'd rather have Casey Concepcion and the fourth round picks Looking back at it I think I think I probably would too Go ahead sorry Now it also that also means they have more leeway They keep those fourth round picks to move up in other rounds

But I don't know No, the fact that they were smitten enough with Eli Stowers to take him where they did, I don't think they would have moved up for anybody else because almost everybody who goes ahead of him is on the defensive side of the ball. And I don't think they would have done that. I don't think they're moving up for Avion Terrell. The next offensive player who goes is Jeremy Bernard. And I don't think he was the kind of player that they were looking forward to getting.

And then before that, it's like 39 overall. It's 20 picks away is when Denzel Boston goes. Yeah. And I also don't really think they would go there, especially if they had taken Concepcion in the first round. I think just keep the first. So I think they're keeping those picks. And yeah, I mean, you know,

Devin Moore and L.T. Overton or if it's not Devin Moore, it's Keontay Scott, something like that. Yeah. It's funny that the Cowboys ended up with very eagerly prospects. I think we can overvalue. You know, I like those fourth round picks. And in this draft in particular, that was a nice sweet spot. Yeah.

But I don't know that I think they are happy with the way it worked out because I think they view Mackay Lemon as that much better of a player than Casey Concepcion. Yeah, I was going to say their board informs that Mackay Lemon was leaps and bounds above Casey Concepcion. I mean, Halle Rosen said there was a tear break and Casey Concepcion would have been on the other side of that tier break. From like an outside perspective, watching the two of them, I feel like they were closer. The other thing about Casey Concepcion and I said this on Anthony's show this morning, I know he's smaller. I feel better about him being like, if they revert back to the Nick Siriani,

Shane Steichen, you know, we're going to have our players win one-on-one matchups, I feel better about Casey Concepcion doing that on the outside compared to Mackay Lemon. So I think he's a little bit more scheme versatile than McKay-11. McCalleman's a great player. I'm not trying to say that he's not.

I'm just saying in this exercise, I probably would have rather had Casey Concepcion at 23. And then the other exercise that we were trying to figure out is who were the four guys who were not in their top 15? who went in the top 19. And I think Blake Miller you can count as one. I think Caleb Banks you can count as one.

Ty Simpson. I think Ty Simpson you can count as one. And I don't know. I kind of think it might be Monroe Freeling. I think that's fair. The other player that I was wondering is, was there a chance Jordan Tyson was like a medical red flag and not in that?

Possible. Although I would not have been surprised if they would try to move up for him either. given. I think Monroe Freeling is more likely in Jordan Tyson. I agree with you. I think other than that, it would have to be somebody who has some kind of medical flag. Yeah. No, I think Monterey Freeling is more free-forward. They just didn't like, but he strikes me as there.

It's hard to envision them not loving Ruben Bay. Yeah. That kid's going to be awesome. I'm rooting for him. Let's close the book on The Right People, presented by True Mark Credit Union. Yeah, I mean, we talked about this on, I don't remember which draft. show, but it is, it's easy to look at the way the draft plays out and ascribe intentionality to it. Like, these are the players that they definitely wanted to draft. And I don't think that we can just sit here and say, like, Mackay Levin was the guy that they wanted. Definitely, I think

you can probably say that about Stowers. Yes, they started the run. Yeah. They really did want. But I do think that we can say all things equal. They were absolutely trying to build an offensive foundation of cost control players. Oh, absolutely. Yeah, they're trying to get a young nucleus established there. And it's interesting that both of the players that started are very specific use case players. But if they get it right, they are both very clearly talented players.

I think that's why the Grenardt trade was not agreed to ahead of time. If it had been that Rubin Bain was the guy who fell, something like that. Yeah, they were leaving space. They were holding space. I mean, that's good business. They should do that. Yeah. Makes sense.

You know, we can't, we can't discount the. possibility that, you know, what if David Bailey had fallen, right? And then we've made the Jonathan Grenard trade. I think that is, yeah, right. If there was one of the top edge rushers that fell, I think that was probably the number one reason. And then, you know, also not to overstate it, but what if you feel like you really need that pick at 98 because you haven't addressed something that you feel like you need to address? Maybe a small element there too. I think it was probably based on the first run. Because I agree. By all accounts, we know, I mean, he flew in that day. Right. So, yeah. They weren't really near at that point.

No, I agree. I think it's probably in the off chance that somebody fell to them. It also could have been like if it was that or it was if we want to use 98 to move up, we will work with you on figuring out different compensation that works. But, you know, we were holding that just in case. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I had a question for you. So based off of the draft, mostly the draft, let's set free agency.

Well, I mean, you can evaluate it as a whole. confidence rating on two things so I'm going to give you a which one do you think is more likely here do you think that the Eagles offense finishes top what did I say was it top 10 or top 12 hold on

top 15 or no sorry yeah no this is also a bad start let's reset all right Bill I'm going to give you a this or that you're going to choose one or the other what's more likely the Cowboys finish top 15 in the NFL and defensive EPA per drive

They were dead last last year, so this would be a huge, a huge jump for that defense. Okay. Or the Eagles finished top 12 in offensive EPA per drive. They finished 15th last year. So a small improvement off of what was it a pretty bad year for the Eagles offense. I think I would bet on both things happening. Really? But I would say it's more likely that the Eagles finish top 12. I mean, it's more likely they have a three-spot improvement than the Cowboys improving that much.

I don't want to overreact to like the fourth round picks you just mentioned like Devin Moore and L.T. Overton. That's not the reason you're doing it. Confident in the Cowboys? I think there's way more variance with the Eagles offense. Sure. Yeah, I think that they're, I mean, if you had to tell me to put turkeys on them finishing like top 10 versus top or finishing outside the top 20, I think those turkeys are more spread out than the Cowboys defense improving a good amount. And the reason why it's an interesting exercise is because like the Eagles and Cowboys were kind of built in like the inverse of each other last year. where they had an elite unit on one side of the ball, and then the other one was kind of holding things back. And I think it just the work that Dallas did in the draft, the work that they've had, that they've done this offseason, I do think that this division is going to be a lot more competitive. So I'm not saying, I think the Cowboys are going to win the division or anything.

You know, I'm not you. I'm not a huge Cowboys apologist, but I do think that those two teams are closer than they were at the start of the offseason. I think that's fair. I mean, listen, there's a lot of work to do to see how they can go about replacing AJ Brown. Yeah. Let's check out the super chats.

A few of them in for today's episode. Starting with Pat Fennis, who says, my mother-in-law's favorite super chat. Standing next to Lane on the preseason sideline is a given. But what are some other funny wordplays we could see with the Jersey name Large? That is Tucker Large,

Washington State Safety, who we will discuss tomorrow. Well, yeah, Lane is definitely one. Large lemon Is Large lemon is Kind of funny Yeah Large bell

Large brown I mean Just him standing next to Britain Covey is kind of funny Large Covey would be funny Davis large That'd be a fun sentence

It's not a sentence is it No Close I'll give you one other answer In Overtide Braden man Large man

Large man there you go next up casquatch despite the rivalry it seems Dallas and Philly organizations have a lot

of mutual respect whereas the Giants seem to really hate the Eagles does this track I kind of like that that there's like a mutual respect to see the Eagles and the Cowboys

from the organizations I think that's right so you don't think the Giants would like like you know facilitate a trade up for the Eagles. I think they might be less likely to do that.

Now, they have poached the Eagles front office in Brandon Brown. Yes. But I do, I do think they are little brothery about the Eagles in a way. Yes. I agree with that. And because the Cowboys care less about winning as the bottom line, I think they don't feel quite as some kind of way. Yeah.

About the Eagles? And they are very, I think the Cowboys are more secure in who they are. Yes, I totally agree. I think that's where it goes around. Yeah. Then the Giants are. Yep. Yeah, it is funny that there's this like, Eagles fans hate the Cowboys the most.

But I feel like, yeah, Giants fans hate the Eagles the most. Hmm. Although Michael Parsons. Mike Parsons was a, do you see the Epstein files the most? I don't know if commanders fans hate them the most. I think commanders' organization. Probably does. Rob Milner.

Did you wait really quick? Did you see the Micah Parsons thing with McKay-Levin? People were upset about that. He said, why do people think, why do Eagles fans think AJ is the problem or something?

No, that was a separate thing. Micahe-Len's been talking a lot about the Eagles. He, I think Mikea Levin said, like, oh, it's the best organization

in all sports or something on the show with Micah Parsons. And Michael Parsons Parsons was like laughing at him for saying that. Okay. Yeah. It was Michael Parsons now.

Rob Milner. Am I the only one excited about tight end, Dayquan Wright. I don't think you are. And I'm sorry to push this off, but we will discuss Dayquan, right? He's Darwish. That was Darwish.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. So we are very excited about Dayquan. Darwin. They got Darwish. If you don't know what we're talking about, you have should have just watched hours of the day three draft coverage until you find out. There's a lot of good stuff in there, Supercraft, App Draft.

We had a good time. So many people are like, Oh my God, you were live for seven hours? And I was like, yeah, it was kind of fun. I'm happy to do it again. Yeah. Lindsay, you want to do it tomorrow? Matthew Greenwood, very generous, super chat.

Thank you very much, Matthew Greenwood. Oh, thank you. Somehow my donation this weekend got refunded. Loved the hard work you guys put in. Thank you so much. Question. Didn't Dallas Goddard have a lot of questions on his blocking ability and physicality? Can Eli Stowers improve as well?

Eli can certainly improve. I think we're talking about degrees here. I think the Dallas thing was more about usage. But this is, I mean, this is a, has been a pet narrative of mine. And friend and I disagree about that, about this. I generally don't care about a tight end's blocking ability in college.

Because to me, it is, it can be a learned trait. To a certain extent. talking about, like, do they have a willingness to do it? And then, and then you can coach them up. I think the stour stuff is so far on one end of the spectrum that he's never really been asked to do it. And when he has, it's, it's both a mix of like no form and little want to. Yeah. Now, he did say he's got the willingness when we talk to him. But to me, it's, I actually do think it's important to see them do it in college. And if they don't do it in college, I at least really want to see them have the physical traits to do it.

And I don't think that Eli Stowers checks that box either. He's on the smaller side for a tight end. So, yeah, I think it's a legitimate and fair concern. I cannot load Dallas Goddard's prospect profile. The wheel has just been spinning. I feel like Dallas was almost certainly bigger than Eli Stowers coming out. He's bigger than Eli Stowers now. That's the other thing.

If the player is physical enough, you feel like it's something they can do. Yeah. So we'll see with Eli Stowers. He's a fun player. and he has a really high upside, but I do think that Fran's questions, I think, are very fair. Chase Daniel Plainview, drafting lemon and stowers for Hertz is like giving exercise equipment to your partner as a gift. That's really good. That is really good.

These guys are great in the middle of the field. And that's the only place they're going to be. That's really good. I like that a lot. That's funny, man. Rivera wants to know your favorite pick of the draft any team. That's a tough one. The first, literally the first thing that came in my head,

DeAngelo Pons to the Jets. That's a fun pick. That's a fun pick. I could see him being really good there. I won't say Kenyon Sadeek. Ruben Bain to the Bucks. I would say my favorite first round pick might be Ruben Bain to the Bucks. Yeah.

Yeah, that's a really good one. Celtric Falk to the Titans. I like that. Yeah, I like that one a lot. for Fran. I kind of like Thinnaman to the Bears as well

in the first round. Venga Yolane to the Ravens is a fun one. Like it's not a great value or anything, but it's like, yeah, that just, that works,

you know? Like, that guy belongs in an organization like that. I like Armason Thomas to the chiefs in round two.

Hmm. Who else? Weird. Like the exercises like this really are clarifying and kind of how mid the draft was.

Yeah. Like Max Claire to the Rams in the second. round I think they will get he will get the most out of him Oscar Delp to the Saints is fun I like that okay third round

AJ Halsey to the Colts I'll be honest I'm going back to the first round here Eagles fans might not want to hear this maxi Honachore to the Steelers I like that okay I thought you're gonna go downs to the Cowboys which is which is a fun one that is fun yeah he's gonna he's going to you would expect him to be good in that defense

but I like Grayson Halton to the Niners as a as a mix of player and scheme. Same with Jonah Coleman to the Broncos. Those are good ones. One of my biggest concerns coming out of this draft weekend was how few of the players I love ended up in places where I'm like, oh man, I could really see them thriving there. Maybe that says more about the players that I love than anything else. But yeah.

Like even like Harold Perkins to the Falcons. Justin Gilles, the Broncos, that's a good one. Yeah, that's great for frame. That's the opposite of what I'm talking about. where it's like, that's a validating thing for Fran there. I'm going to give you one from every round. Ooh, deny Dennis Sutton to the Packers. That one feels good.

I like that one. My favorite sixth round pick? I mean, complete the exercise. Ooh, this is tough. You know what? Micah Morris to the Eagles. Really? That might be my favorite one.

Okay. Maybe Ketron Allen to the commanders. I think Fran called that out as well. And then, I mean, seventh round, you got to go. It's got to be UR-R-Barr. Or Bobby Spears Jennings or Cole Wisniewski. Who are-O-R-Bernard. Oh, Hyden-R-Nrike.

Hyden-R-R-N-R-R-Bernard. O'R-Bernard's press conference, the Zoom press conference we had with him. As someone who covers the league, that is like, I need those moments, you know, like to listen to players talk about the very human side of the weekend of this sport. You know, he talked about how he met Jordan Milata during the international player pathway, like the lead-up to the draft. and he said that Milata told him, use your blessings to bless,

use your blessings, use your talents to bless your family. Was the quote. And that is just, you know, he talked about how he lost his father. He wants to take care of his mother and his family. And it's just like,

it's important perspective, probably for everyone about like the human element of this game and what this means to not just a player like UR. Bernard. Like obviously there is a, you know, uniqueness to his story, but every single player drafted, like that's what this represents.

It's something bigger than, just, you know, playing football. So it's really special. Again, as somebody who tries to keep... Soke up those phone calls. Yeah, I try to keep that stuff in mind as I cover the league. And again, I feel like that's that, that press conference in particular really hit home for me. Everyone in the draft except for, of course, Monroe Freeling.

Well, I mean, his, he, his family is already very blessed. I'm kidding. Yeah, he does his talents will bless his family in different ways. You know, it's not, not similar. Different stakes, maybe. All right, good stuff on the PHAIGO podcast. Thank you to Alec and Fran for joining us. Thank you to the badass producer Lindsay.

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