PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Film Review: Fran Duffy breaks down what Jalen Hurts & Eagles need to FIX on offense

Episode Date: December 1, 2025

As Jalen Hurts, Kevin Patullo and Nick Sirianni are in the crosshairs of Eagles fans, Fran Duffy goes to the tape to break down how the Eagles can get things right before next Monday’s matchup with the Los Angeles Chargers. How much of a concern is the run defense following the Bears’ 281 rushing yard performance? Is Sydney Brown a lost cause? Can the O-line get their stuff together. Fran breaks it all down with EJ Smith and Bo Wulf. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody Live from the Expendity Studio This is the P-H-L-Y Eagles show On a Monday Bo-Wolf, E.J. Smith, Fran Duffy presented by Bet365 and Ashley And we are in studio for a film review Monday

A First. Fran, how you doing? doing great it's uh look we're a few days removed from that game on friday so it's a little bit easier to talk about it so we'll uh we'll give our best here we will do our best j how was your weekend uh my weekend was good you finally got some p hl y merch that you're rocked the phtel y stuff just came in i'm excited i got some good stuff comfortable stuff yes like i'm not wearing the tie-dye hoodie that i got because i wore it all weekend so if you're out there we got the cyber monday deal going it is time to get this stuff well let's get to that because this is the last day of the merch deal

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We did not quite think through cable length. And so we're going to get a little walk and stand from you here on a stanchion. We're going to start with the Eagles passing offense. Yeah, we're going to take a look at the past game and some of the good and some of the bad. So I will let you walk over there and I will talk to E.J. I think the conceit of this is we're going to try to break this down into the four quadrants. Eagles passing game, Eagles running game, Eagles pass defense, Eagles run defense. What was the most concerning thing that Fran saw on film in the loss to the Bears?

and what is a sense of optimism, a source of optimism, rather, something that we can expect eagles to potentially be able to fix moving forward. I thought it was good conceit. I thought it was a good framing on your part. Okay. And look, we're doing something a little different.

Look at this. Look at this shot. The live breakdowns with the Telestrator standing here just off camera. And so the big thing, I wanted to start with the mist of Devante Smith. I wanted to start with that first because obviously it's been one of the most talked about plays

since the end of the game. It's been talked about a lot on social media. We talked about it on the post game show on Friday night and dove into a little bit what I saw, what Jalen saw, how he missed Dallas Goddard, like all of that. And so I felt, you know, now that we have the All-22, we can really kind of dig into it a little bit. This is very exciting. Well, we'll take a look.

And, Lindsay, if you want to go up to the All-22, we've got it here. So we're still working with screen grabs here, obviously, people. So we can go show full video, send an email to Roger Goodell, if you got an issue with that. But we can do live drawing. Yeah, we get a little live drawing. So look, at the snap of the ball, or before the snap of the ball, Jalen sees that he's got seven guys on the line of scrimmage. And when you've got that kind of look,

what have we seen from opposing defenses all season long? Is that so often they are dropping multiple guys out into short windows. It's going to be a four-man rush, those sim pressures that we've seen so often from opposing defenses. And the big thing with Jalen is he has to diagnose, is this actually going to be a cover zero pressure with man-to-man coverage? or is it going to be one of these sim pressures where it's going to be zone coverage

and that is going to determine where he's going to go with this football. And because of the fact that it ends up being a cover zero pressure, which we're going to take a look now at the next shot here is you're going to see that they're going to send six guys. He's going to drop off the linebacker is going to drop in short zone coverage.

But if you look at the numbers here, he's got two over two over on the right. He's got three over two, or two over three, I should say, in the Eagles favor over to his right-hand side. Now, Jalen, he smartly diagnosed, he correctly diagnosed that it is going to be a cover zero blitz. This is the right move from Jalen. He is going to start over on the right side.

He shouldn't be looking at Dallas Goddard if he knew there was going to be a cover zero pressure. So he is right in missing, and, you know, quote unquote, missing Dallas Goddard on this point. The thing is, okay, is that the bears bust this coverage. So that's why, and that's where it gets a little bit messy. If you're looking pre-snap, now I asked Dane is to take a look at this. for me. Well, what is the, well, what does he know about ball?

He likes football. He just likes football. I heard he likes football. So I was like, oh, let's go to a guy that likes football. I mean, talk about someone who definitely doesn't put in the time. Didn't spend 19 hours watching through the tape this past weekend. But I asked me, I said, how much time was on the clock when the Eagles broke the huddle?

Okay. It was 18 seconds. Plenty of time to weed through this. This was not an instance. Oh, they got to the, they got to the line with. five seconds left and Jalen didn't have the ability. To me, if Jalen walks to the line of scrimmage and he sees all of this, he's got time to kind of figure it out because, again, they're in an empty set here and you've got Sequan Barclay at the bottom of the screen.

You've got Jalen Johnson, the number one corner, across from him. That should have been a zone tell. Right. So, all right, so now I should be looking at Dallas Sky. It's going to be some kind of zone coverage. Now, again, he correctly weeded through that, that it's actually going to be a cover zero blitz. They're sending a bunch of these guys. But again, like the number are working in their favor where no one is over Dallas Goddard. And so as long as you've got, you know, if you've got C.J. Gardner Johnson blitzing off this edge, yeah, like this could have gone to Dallas Goddard. So it's not as cut and dry to me as, oh, this ball should have gone to Dallas.

Jalen really messed this up. Okay. I think that when you look at it, I understand why he's looking at Devante Smith here on this play. I think it's more line of like, you got to make this throw man. That's, to me, it's more that he's got to make sure that he's got to make sure that he gets this ball to Devante. Now, what has been talked about since then. Right. I feel like it's hard to fault a guy for finding or for correctly finding an open receiver. A wide open receiver. Right. Just make the throw. Now, Dan Arlowski has timed in with this from ESPN. Kurt

Warner from NFL network has chimed in on this and given his, given their thoughts on what is Jayland seeing? How did he mess this up? What they're saying is that this is a choice route from Devante Smith. So he's got the ability here, Devante, where he can break this outside. He can break this inside, which we know what he does, or he could turn this back to the quarterback and he could sit down. Jalen said afterwards that those guys weren't on the same page. The timing was off. Now, you could say like, all right, well, these guys have worked together so often. How is the timing off between all of them? I think at the end of the day, Jalen probably felt that DeVante was going to sit this down against the coverage look. It's possible that maybe he thought that he

was going to sit it down and DeVante worked inside. It could just be that he just missed it and that he's saying there was a miscommunication as well. But at the end of the day, he throws this behind Devante Smith. There have been, I know Orlovsky said at some point over the weekend, if you're going to have a choice route, it should be an automatic, like if it's zero pressure, you're always doing this. Like the opposite element is gone. So that kind of erases the doubt there.

And again, it's possible that that is the case here with this Eagles offense and it just wasn't executed correctly. But I did want to come back to this play because it's been such a hot button play over the course last year. Is it fair to say, though, that like, whether it is, whether you laid at the feet of Devante or Jalen for the miscommunication? Is it coaching no matter what in this instance? Is it a matter of like this should have been drilled during the week?

This should be something ironed out before the game or do you think this is just one of those that it just happens? And that's the thing is that we don't know, since we don't know how it was coached, it's tough to say with certainty, oh, like this should have been ironed out. At the end of the day, he just flat out missed him. And so it's if this was something where, yeah, like he knew he was supposed to work inside, then it's easy. It's a flat out miss.

if those guys should have been on the same page it's just another like throw it on the stack of all these examples where the details weren't great you guys tripping over each other you have receivers running to the same area of the field like all those things where the details just don't add up the other concerning part about that play beyond the schematics is

the way that Dallas got it reacts afterwards you know I mean he's holding his hand up and he is obviously like pissed that he didn't get that ball it's a wide open touchdown and it's just part of a larger picture of it doesn't seem like a happy place to be on offense right now. No, I mean,

when we said that, I think it was after the Detroit game, like the guys don't, are they having fun? Yeah. And we've talked about that a lot over the last month that has been one of the worst stretches

of offensive football we've seen in the city for two decades. Are we having fun yet? I do have one more play at past game offense. Okay. So this one just, this is the one that's like grinds my gears.

Okay. This is one. So that's execution. Yes, that one is execution. And you know what? Like, it's schemed up fine. Yeah,

schemed up fine. That one, it's like, all right, like, those guys either have to get on the same page or it's just a miss from the quarterback. This is one where I'm like, it could be a details thing. It also could just be like bones of the structure doesn't make sense.

It's early on in the game. First quarter, they're going to go under center, play action, a dagger concept. You know, bread and butter staple. Everybody around the NFL uses it, especially if you're an under center run action team.

So let's go to the film here, Lindsay, and take a look at exactly what I mean when I say dagger. What they're going to do, here on this play is that they are going to bring Devante Smith to, here's Devante, he started over here. And just before the snap of the ball, he came across in motion, and now at full speed, he's able to release up to the second level, and he's going to run the dig route. You've got a clear route from the number two receiver, and then basically

off play action, Jalen Hertz is going to turn around and he's going to cut this loose as a dig route over the middle of the field to Devonte Smith. That is the purpose of the play. You also are always going to have some kind of route underneath. Maybe it's a running back going under the flat. Maybe it's a shallow cross coming from the other side. And that's exactly what that is here from AJ Brown. We're going to go to the next shot and you're going to see that Jalen, as soon as the run fake happens, Jalen gets his eyes back around immediately. And you can see like Devonze Smith is nowhere near ready to run this. Like he is nowhere close to being able to run out of this break. Jalen's already looking that way and he takes a few more steps.

This is him at the top of the drop. I literally froze our at top of the drop. Here's the Devante Smith. He starts a few more yards ago before the break. So when Jalen turns his head and now he's ready to throw the ball, the time, and I talk about this all the time with like the timing of the feet and the, and with the quarterback's eyes, with the rhythm of the drop and the concept, they're not married together here. And so he's not ready to deliver this ball to Devante. Devante's not ready to catch this dig route. So where does Jalen go with the ball? It's first and 10. He throws a shallow cross to A.J. Brown. He gets tackled for one yard. That's a largely unsuccessful play. It should be.

a chunk game over the middle of the field. And for example, I was like, all right, well, I could show this team like and just talk about this, or let me go hunt up some good examples of what it should look like. And it was a few weeks ago, the L.A. Rams in a very similar formation. You've got Pooka Nakua coming in motion. He does the same exact thing that Devante did. He comes in motion before the snap. He's going to release up to the second level.

He's going to run the dig route. You've got Devante Adams. He's going to run the clear-out route from the number two spot. And you've got a running back running to the flat. Just look at the difference here. on these plays. You're going to get outside run action from Matthew Stafford. He's going to sell run and then he's going to boot out to his right. And again, look at Stafford's eyes. He immediately is rolling out and he's looking this way. Not the direction of the route. He's looking the

opposite side of the field. He hits the top of his drop. Look at the path that he took. It's going to be almost like a full boot where he is rolling back over to his right. You're buying time for this route to open up. Right? So it's not that he hits. gets the top of his drop, and now it's time to get rid of the football. He's now delivering that he's got his arm off. You can see he's mid-delivery. Where is Pukkahua? He's got his eyes over, and this is not a clear throw because Devante Adams, he got rerouted here by this number two defender, so it's not a clear picture. You can see those two got the spacing's not even great here, but Stafford lets this rip. He puts this right on the hash mark, and Pooka Nakua comes up

with the catch. A couple of weeks ago, Jared Gauphin, Alliance, same deal. They bring Amman-Rossain Brown in motion. It's not going to be as as clean here, but you're going to get the receiver coming in motion. You're going to get the receiver running the in cut here, and it's a little bit different here on this one, because you're going to watch, Jared Gough, off the run action. After this play, he's ready to deliver. Look at the receiver. There's the in cut. He's our, it's married up. So the action here with Gough, you can see that he's not taking the same kind of long boot on this play. It's a short kind of bang play action play. Jalen again, just going back to this play,

Jalen immediately after the run fake is turning his eyes towards where this ball's going to go. I don't know the answer to this. I don't know if this is this just Jalen not practicing good technique? Is this how it's being coached? I don't know the answer to it. But when you say like, oh, they're getting under center or how come they're not getting these same chunk gains,

the timing does not match up, it does not add up. Hmm. Well, first of all, great job. I'm about to say this was incredible. I mean, this is clearly a home run. But unlike that play, before the Eagles, what? I agree, it was the home run.

What are you laughing at? It just, it was nothing. It was the way you said it, like, I... I mean, the guy's putting on an absolute dominating performance right now. It just sounded, I don't know, just the way you said it made me laugh. Guys, jacking him out of the park. You're laughing just because I'm saying jacking,

but anyway, to you, is that indicative of this is not who they are. And so if this is like picking and choosing something from a different playbook, let's add this to our, to our playbook, even though it's not our identity. They always use the identity word.

But like, to me, there's a lot of things about this offense that feel like people playing at something that they don't do. Yeah, and that's, but it gets back into the identity part of it. What do you do? What do you do?

And so some of the plays that I pulled, it's like, all right, well, they had the RPO to Devante Smith for 30, That was their longest, the longest play of the first half. It's like, all right, like, what else he got? All right, they had the out and up, double move, A.J. Brown, outside the numbers. It's like, all right, like, are these, is that sustainable offense?

Like, this is, that's what they wrote, that's what they rode their way to the Super Bowl in 2020 on. Because we're going to build the whole boat out of RPO's and vertical shots. Can you do that and have sustainable offense in 2025? It's a tough question to answer. And what's your feeling? It's not, like, like, right now. Look, at the end of the day, yeah. you probably say like that's that's suitable back when jalen hurts was on a rookie contract that's

an easier pill to swallow uh because that's what he was in 2022 i think at this point you probably want a little bit more out of the past game from that stand like to say like all right we're going to just build the build the entire ship out of this it's also a reflection of we spent a lot of time this season talking about is the offensive line as good as it once was and is a j brown quite the same player that he was and you hear a lot from the coaching staff about how the the scheme is basically a reflection of the talent that they have so keep it simple and let the players make plays it seems like with the way

the offense is playing right now like they have to find the answers for it and it's not something maybe that they're well equipped to do right it's like just just go out and play backyard football right I mean out and see what happens yeah I don't know and that's to me like

if you because even back then back in 2022 all right well you have the run game you had the QB run game yeah you had these other layers but since we're stripping away those layers. And if the run game's not as dependable, then you need to lean more on the past game. And if Pat, like, it all compounds.

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How was your weekend, friend? It was good. We had, you know, obviously, look, they were great college games. We had some good NFL games, but we had a baptism. My niece got baptized on Saturday. We had a friend's birthday party on Sunday.

We did the Christmas tree and got that stuff up this weekend. Good food. Thanksgiving was great. Great. I didn't do the Christmas tree yet. And, like, it's getting to that point where it's like, not getting to that point, but you're looking at the calendar. It's like, I don't know when we're getting this tree.

It's the first of the month. I know, but, you know, the Eagles on the rest of the month. Here we go again. Do you want to tell the audience what you told us about your college years? When I went to a bone thugs concert. You bought a bandana? I did. And my immediate question was, how many times did you wear that bandana?

You know. It wasn't a sober decision. Do you still own the bandana? I don't think so. But I'm not going to rule out the possibility that it's at the bottom of a barrel somewhere. Sure. Yeah. Bottom of a barrel?

A bin? A proverbial barrel. A bin. Not a real barrel. Yeah, but like, nobody says that. I'm sorry. Like, you just put your clothes in barrels. You just got a bunch of barrels downstairs.

I'm sorry, I used a wrong word. I'm just saying, should I leave? You can wear my jacket. You can find myself in a bottom of a barrel after this episode. Again, why would you be in a barrel? I don't know. It's not even Tuesday yet. I was about to say.

No, it's a loopie. It is a loopy Monday. Yeah, it's a loopy Monday. Unblocked with VG this morning. So. Loopy. How was your weekend? It was good.

Jane learned how to ride a bike. Nice. Got a new bike. So Jane went for a bike ride on Saturday morning, and then we went, we went bowling in the afternoon. Fun. And then on Sunday, Jane went for a bike ride in the morning, and then we went bowling in the afternoon. We have falls off the bike. Huh?

Any falls off the bike? No, nothing big. No, she was game, ready to go. Nice. Yeah. It's impressive. Yeah. She's, what I'm going to say?

Doesn't Bo strike you as somebody who be, like, really good at bowling? Oh, yeah, for sure. But, like, I don't mean that, like, complimentary either. Yeah, annoyingly good. Yeah, right. Yeah, exactly. Like, he'd be like, why are you good at this? Yeah.

Yeah. I think annoyingly good is probably apt for most things. For you. Yes. Yeah, right. Except remembering what you put your clothes in. Well, I'm not so sure I would call that a close. so you've got like a junk barrel

well it's like you're going to get on me for barrel over bin I'm going to get on you for clothes I mean a bandana's clothes yeah yeah accessories I don't know would you call like a scrunchy clothes no but the scrunchy's different than a bandana we've got all these film clips that we need to go get to with Fran and here we are talking about

bandanas v scrunchies Shame on us All right Before we get to the Snapies for the run game Yep I mean let's just like Big picture

The state of the passing game Do you think Do you think they're going to Significantly change their processes Over the next week Like I don't know What do you think's coming I honestly don't know man

Because they've done so many different things Over the course that We've seen them try and shift the identity And like try new things do they go back to trying to be more of doing more under center? Do they start leaning heavily more often into the RPO's? I would say one other thing that, and Lindsay, we have that graph the one I said earlier.

Yeah, so the one thing that did stand out watching the film, the Bears played a ton of man coverage. And in the past, that has always been, oh, yeah, right, man, this should be great for the Eagles office. This should be great for the past game. And obviously, we know it was not great. So, Lindsay, if we have that graphic, these are all the games since the Eagles acquired AJ Brown.

so, you know, 20-22 and on, where the opposing team plays at least 45% man coverage, a high amount. And we see that's not a huge sample of games. The Eagles have won every single one of those games during this stretch, except for this one. And when you look at the numbers, basically I looked, expected completion percentage. This is off from next-gen stats. Scramble run rate, which this was the first time the opposing team ran the reason. You like you welcome in because it means that Jalen can scramble.

Yeah, I wanted to look at that. So this was the, he did not scramble once. or did not scramble once in the game. He had a bottom three quarterback rating. He had a bottom three yards per attempt. He had a bottom three EPA per dropback and the bottom three dropback success rate and the expected completion rate.

It was the worst of all the games when the teams have played a heavy amount of man-to-man coverage. So I did think that that was notable was that the amount that the bears and Dennis Allen were saying, all right, yeah, we're going to man up. We've got Jalen Johnson back

and we've got Tyler Gordon back. We dare you to beat us and they were unable to do so. And did they do anything defensively to play a man but also ward against a scramble or was it there for him to scramble if he wanted to? No, they had a whole player underneath, but like

DeMarco Jackson, you know, like he should be able to win the those are matchups that Jalen typically would take advantage of. Man, I just remember like in 2022 hearing coaches talk about like the Eagles being this like you can't play this offense

because if you play a man against him, they got A.J. Brown they got Jalen Hertz who can scramble. And if you play zone, they have the RPO game and it's expansive and they have answers for everything. Like, how did we get here, Fran? Like, how did we get to a point where, like, it feels like they've got answers for nothing at this point? Yeah, I mean, and that's the big part of it.

And that's when I did the Sequan Barkley piece last week and I was looking, I'm like, all right, like, just let's dive into the numbers a little bit. All right, well, teams are loading the box more often against the Eagles than they were last year by like 12 percentage points. Like, more often teams are making sure that they've got plus one in the box.

And because you're not doing the quarterback run game, like the design QB run game, you're not equating those. So that's going to bring the run game down and we'll talk about it with the Eagles defense like when you've got the ability to run the ball at will that just that opens up so much and I do think that that's a big part of the reason why we're seeing some of these struggles of the past game. Yeah. So you want to get in the run game? Let's do it. Let's get to the Eagles run game. Let's get Fran up there. Do you have? Yeah, I do. Yep. Seiguan Barclay continues to be pretty unproductive in this game. 13 carries for 56 yards and it seemed like early on there was a there was a little bit of success and that was it early on by the way two games in a row no carries for tank Bigsby I don't know he had one carry the week before so two weeks in a row he had one combined carry he was on the field for one snap and it was yeah the the right so yes yes which by the way another trend that has popped up first half a bunch of like

different personnel groupings and match and then you come out in the second half and it's all just straight 11 personnel or straight 12 personnel like with the same personnel group like weird just weird like yeah first half second half I think it's like a like a new year's

resolution type thing where it's like you come out in the first half it's like yeah we're gonna do this you have to try this and then in the second half it's like I don't want to go to the gym it's yeah let's just go back to be in the way we always yeah I think that's right

it's weird but I do agree like when I'm so basically how I went through I did the offense first this weekend I broke it up in a couple chunks because we had a bunch of stuff going on so I went through the first like three drives early on on Saturday morning and one of the things I saw was like all right well first and 10

run for five first and 10 run for five first and 10 run for nine like a bunch of successful runs the ones that we didn't see or the ones that didn't hit gets back to like the same conversation we've had the tight end is just not holding up their end of the bargain in the run game and so that's the first one

Lindsay I want to take a look at you can pull this up here is this is an early run this is first quarter and basically what you're going to get is just straight inside zone where you've got Jalen Hertz under center, you got Sequin Barkley, he's running the zone to the left, and you've got a double team here between Dallas Goddard and Jordan Milata. And the big thing, I talk all the time about block surfacing. And basically what that means is how those guys work the double team together. And you can see right here, Dallas Goddard, when he takes on

the defensive end, Austin Booker, he is head up, right? So they are like helmet to helmet, they are looking each other directly in the eye. There is no space here for Jordan Milata who's looking to help here, there's no space for him to able to hit on this inside pad because Dallas Goddard is taking up the entirety of that space. There is nowhere for Jordan to be able to help. And so now Jordan, he just basically kind of like gives Dallas a little bit of a shove in the back and now he's going to work up to the second level. He's got from a timing standpoint, he's got to sift up to the linebacker. Well, what happens now is that Booker, he uses his length and just locks out Goddard. He takes complete control of the point of attack here. You can

see, Jordan tries to help, but because the surfacing was so bad with Dallas, he's not able to make an impact here. Dickerson is losing at the point of attack to Grady Jarrett, but really the big part of this is that Booker ends up just beating Dallas Scotter here. So he beats him inside, and this ends up going for a very short game. Actually, this goes for a two-yard loss. Very next drive, they come out, and this time it's going to be a shotgun run. If you had an undercenter zone run, now it's going to be a shotgun gap scheme run, where you're going to get pullers. You're going to get pin, you know, down blocks and double teams. Basically, this is going to be a sweep. Same side. We've talked about how I don't love the same side runs, where you've got

the running back on the one side, and it's going to be a run in that direction. We've talked about how that can be slow developing, but as long as your blockers do their jobs, then you're able to go. Now, when you have a pin pool sweep play, the most important part is the pin block, is the down block. The running back is not going to be able to get out the gate unless you were able to create an inside seal. And it's either going to be on this defensive task. or it's going to be on this defensive end. And we talk about how there's always the double teams, typically when you have these gap scheme runs.

Well, the double team is between the two tight ends here and the defensive end, Montez Sweat. You've got Goddard on the outside, and you've got Calcutara on the inside. It's going to be four hands on one defensive end. Now, we're going to go to the next shot, and you can see the blocks start to establish themselves. You've got the tight end pulling at the point of attack,

or you've got the tight ends doubling the defensive end at the point of attack. You're going to have Tyler Steen. He's going to be the kickout block. here comes Cam Juergens pulling around as a lead blocker. Fred Johnson is one-on-one with Jervon Dexter. Now, Fred Johnson is going to lose as well. He doesn't do a great job on this play,

but the most important part, it's going to be this double team just does not happen well enough here against the defensive end. You could see, Swet's got his left arm on the outside tight end. He's got his right arm on the right side tight end, and he's not giving up any ground.

Those guys get no movement at the point of attack. And what that means for Saquan Barclay is there is no inside lane. so instead of him having a wide area think of it like traffic in rush hour getting congested from four lanes down to one there's just no room for him to work you get Tyler Steen out

here comes Jurgens those guys do their job even Jordan Milada Jordan Milata I'll let me pull this back real quick Jordan Milada he is coming from the left tackle spot he's got to block this backside linebacker that's a difficult block Milata does his job he gets a piece of this blocker and washes him out. So the outside

edge is created. There's Myelotta. There's Juergens. Steens on the corner on the outside. But because these guys at the tight end spot didn't do their job, Montes-Swett splits the double, and he gets hands on Sequin Barkley, and ends up going for like a three-yard game. And in this game, again,

like I felt like early on you had these successful runs with Seekwon, but they didn't hit for explosives. The very first play of the game, five-yard successful run. Honestly, those guys blew Chicago off the ball. Mylotta bumped, Dickerson, like,

wipes out a linebacker and hits him a gap over. And Milata, as he's working up to the second level, just accidentally bumps the linebacker, and the guy he bumped that Dickerson wiped out, happens to basically fall into Seekwan. So it's like, this one should have gone for 10 plus. It could have gone for, like, 15 plus. It reminded me of the, it was a different run concept,

but, like, first play against the Giants, he goes off for, you know, 7th or touchdown. Because that didn't happen, it's like, oh, run game's not working again, guys. You know, like, to me, like, this should have been a bigger Saquan-Barkley game by volume. Now, a lot of this, you know, you get under three-and-outs and the flow of the game and stuff like that.

But it was a one-score game in the third quarter. This should have been a bigger Saquan-Barkley game in my mind. Interesting. My question is, what is to you more frustrating a situation in the passing game where new problems are popping up every week versus a situation in the running game, like with the tight ends, for instance, where it's the same problem continuously and there's just no way for them to fix it. Well, I think

Honestly, the way I look at it is the run game stuff I think is mostly fixable. Yeah. I think the big part of it is that they... If only the people in the chat knew what was going on right now. I think it's more a thing about coming to terms with

okay, like the offensive line is not elite this year. It's solid. The tight ends are not blocking at a high level right now. So you're going to expect some volatility there You're not going to hit 65 yarders At the rate that you did a year ago Sure

So it's going to be a like gradual stick with it You know and you hope you're you're able to crack a big one But until then like staying on schedule Is a good thing for this offense Because right now the past game is not staying on schedule That's where the volatility is It's a tough pull to swallow Are you ready to join the Cam Latu appreciation

For what reason I mean, at some point, like, you aren't tired of watching Grant Calcutera just lose at the point of attack? They're all, they're all, like, none of them are good. Like, Dallas has not been a good blocker this year. Yeah, I agree with that. I, yeah, and I do you think that it's just. Stole. Jack, stole, Jack.

Do you think with Goddard, like, what do you attribute it to? Because it's like, it feels like, I felt like last year he looked smaller. And it seemed like he, he went from being like a weapon in the run game, like, you know, a guy who he really could count. on, you know, being reliable and 11 personnel you could run out of those looks because of him to being just, I mean, obviously better than, like, league average, but I don't know. It feels like there has just been a decline

over the last couple years with him. Yeah, I mean, to me, like, he got hurt early in the year and, you know, had to stand on IR. I don't know if he's still banged up. We know it's a contract year, so I don't know if it's like, you know, if that's weighing on him at all, but clearly, like, the film shows a guy

that's not as good of a blocker as what he has been over the course of his entire deal. Yeah, it's true. I don't know. I feel like, I feel like Cam Lato appreciation needs to ramp up here, guys. I feel like at the very least he's a guy who's going to give you effort. And he's like, at least I know, at least I know what I'm getting from the other guys. I think he could be effective in that.

I, to me, I made this comparison to you a few weeks ago. This is like getting excited about Paul Turner to fix your receiver was. Yeah, but that's, I don't think they got this. But it shows how bad things are right now. Yeah. Can't be worse. Listen, I do think that it would at least be worse. worth seeing him in the Calcutera role

for a couple of plays just to see if you get anything different. Yeah, that's all I'm asking for. I'm not asking for too much. I'm not so sure he's fixing anything, but I think you're not, I think you're not yet. We have enough of a sample size to think that it's worth it. Let's not DTR.

I'm not saying that like Camelotu fixes the Eagle Grand game. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. That is exactly not only what you're saying today, but what you've been saying for months. The sharks are circling. You guys are like, oh, we can pin him on this one. No, I'm just saying I think he would be better.

You pin yourself on this one. ridiculous. I think he would be... This is your whole personality. I think he would be much better. I think you'd be much better as the blocking tight end than Grant Calcutara.

And it's not a slight at Grant Calcutera. Like, I think it's unfair that they keep asking him to do this job that he's not equipped to do. I agree with that. Yeah, I agree with that. This is one where, listen, I agree with you

that it is, you know, not Grant Calcutera's fault. Of all the problems with the offense, this is the one very small one that I will put at Halley-Rosman's feet. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.

He didn't give them any real options here. I agree. I think if Dallas had been the level of blocker this year that he has been in the past, I would say that solves everything, but they'd be better than what they are, certainly right now. And then you could at least say, like, all right, we can be an 11 personnel run team.

But it's such a margins of the roster thing that is not hard. I mean, I think it's fair to say it's not hard to, like, sign an undrafted free agent tight end that can do some of the dirty work. Like, I think, especially with, like, the expectation on how they wanted to play, this does feel like an oversight. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

It's not the biggest reason that they're eight and four in the world is on fire. But I think it is a bit of an omission. It's contributing. Yeah, for sure. All right. Time to take a break. Come back with more on the other side with this very special. edition of the in-person

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so broke he's doing it twice three times today says e.J deserves his ojimo and lot two flowers i appreciate that none yeah see i shout him out them out they shout me out i'll give you a dandelion for the lot too love what are you going to give me for the ojum call what's the like the most what what call is it i i bow was outraged that i set the over under on what i think it was six sacks you said it was going to break the sack record i mean listen you said

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Wow. And the last time No, don't say the last time Maybe the last time. We are going to do a mailbag episode but you got to send

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like bathroom etiquette and airplane etiquette social like get-togethers so this would be fun so email ej at all p hl y.com send him your questions and we will put together a nice rundown of mailbag questions one time only this is it get in or get out it's exciting this is all you got discord works too yes yeah so thank you very much tag tag e j tag i yeah you can tag me on discord i don't want the emails though yeah no i mean welcome all the mailbag emails. We, you did say, you did say, we could do one every Friday. I did say that. We need some bathroom etiquette emails. That's my, it's my wheelhouse.

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All right. Anything else in the offense? Are you holding space for hope? Not much. Maybe the bottom of the barrel. No, I mean, the thing is, is that could the offense get out of the funk from a pure talent standpoint could the talent just take over yeah it's possible that just like you know jalen like uh you know gets into a heater where everything is pinpoint accurate

uh and you know a j and devante paid off on the other side of it and i feel like by my eyes a j has looked better the last two weeks like and not just because the numbers are there like he feels like he's moving better the last two weeks i don't know that's something he did have one instance i think it was last game where he kind of did like the old man slowdown. You guys know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I just did it like three minutes ago. Do it. I can't know what you're talking about. That's my life. Yeah, well, for the younger listeners who don't know what the old man slowdown is like. I'm still sore from bowling twice this weekend. Ice skating yesterday? I feel, I'm feeling. And the calves? Where do you feel

it? The, yes, the calves, lower, lower, lower like ankles. Yeah, yeah. My knees, my knees from bowling. Not to walk myself into any, you know, regurgitating inappropriate phrases and labels that I've walked into before, but trained legs yesterday. So I'm right there with you guys. Like getting in and out chairs, it's tough. What a flex. I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get my legs more powerful. Powerful?

Yeah. I'm trying to be more powerful. I see. In my bottom half. Gotcha. But yeah, he did. AJ did have like one instance where I was like, ooh, that was the old man slowdown. Like he's just like jumping and just like trying to like slow himself down without using

his knees to actually, you know, slow his momentum there. I did think that the touchdown. the first one, you know, where in the back, it was a nice play, was also a counterbalance to the one from earlier this season when it was like, oh, well, he just does light hands. Like he did, like, oh, he doesn't have to.

He could make an adjustment on the ball. Yeah, I was at crazy play. But that's, you know, on that play, like, all right, like design, double move, man-to-man coverage, Jay did a good job holding the safety in the middle of the field, so the safety couldn't make a play on the ball,

so it's one-on-one, and AJ made a great play. Yeah. It's like, all right, like, could they do that? two, three times a game and score 24 points and then the, like, yeah, they could. But then does that make everybody feel better big picture-wise? Like, I don't think so.

Well, behind the scenes, I mean. The defense is going to have to play better or play at the level they were playing at because I remember it wasn't long ago that we were talking like, is this defense good enough to just carry the offense? So I am curious how you felt about the Bears game from the defensive side, Fran.

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Not good, yeah. On the ground, getting beat up. What did you see? A good mix of the Chicago, if I'm Chicago, scheme and talent winning out. If I'm Chicago, it's like, oh yeah, like this is what it,

as now as someone who looks at the Eagles, I'm like, oh yeah, this is what it looks like. Yeah. That's what it's supposed to look like. BG said this morning that it was very similar game plan-wise to the Falcons game. from last year, where it was a lot of running inside and sort of getting the tackles trapped and it was very successful, obviously.

Jay Carter mentioned that after the game as well. Yeah, they ran a handful of like whams and traps. But honestly, a lot of it, to me, like the bigger thing that stood out, number one, the interior guys got moved off the ball by double teams, which Chicago's done a good job of all season long, so this is not like unique. Now, obviously they did it at a very high level in this game because they had a legendary performance, you know, nearly 300 yards in the ground. But the other aspect of it was what they did

to take care of the guys at the second level, to the linebackers, to the safeties, and kind of removing them from the picture. So I pulled a couple plays for that. Okay. Well, let's get to that in a minute here on the big deal presented by Jerry Hill Jeep. I guess let's take a break.

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This is first quarter. And right off the bat, you can see, all right, this is a standard kind of formation. You've got the quarterback under center. You've got the tight end over to the defensive left. And you kind of see from a run game standpoint, like how the, the run fit is kind of displaying out. You've got the defense tackle Jalen Carter. He's responsible for this A gap.

Zach Bond responsible for the B gap. Jalen Phillips, he's got C gap responsibilities. Everybody is kind of, this is nice and clean. Now, one thing that happens here, late in the pre-snap phase, you've got DJ Moore coming in motion.

He's going to settle in, kind of like as a little H-back kind of alignment here for the offense. And what that does is that's going to get a little bit of movement here from the Eagles. And also what you have is, you have the tight end that was lined up on this side, he's going to come very late before the snap,

come across the formation. So if you are Zach Bonn, if you are Nicobi Dean, if you are Cooper DeGine, read Blanketship, all of this is kind of compute in your head. Very late, you had DJ Moore settle into a spot

that he's normally not lined up at, and then you've also got the tight end going across the formation. Now, when this tight end goes across the formation, you could see the bump that happens. And again, Bon initially was here, he now comes in and he becomes an agap basically everybody slides over and that changes the run fit so now who is responsible for this for that gap in the in the run scheme is that that is going to be

that is going to be uh read blanket chip but what happens here on this play is that so again blanket ship is now going to insert and replace zach bonn here on this play you've got dj more he comes across the formation this is going to be a run play to the defensive right. If you're Reed Blankett chip, you've got eyes. This is your run responsibility. You're responsible for this backside gap.

But again, you've got DJ Moore lined up here and he's coming across the formation. You've got to be aware of under center play action boot hitting DJ Moore in the flat. So defensive flow, the run game flow is going opposite to the other way, but read Blanketships in a little bit of a bind. And so what does he do?

He runs with DJ Moore. you pair that with Jalen Carter getting blown off the ball by this double team so Jalen Carter should be about here he's over here he's a gap over read blanket ship he should be filling here instead he's over there DJ Moore just gets a little piece of Jalen Phillips but now you've got this wide lane and again it goes juxtapose this with what we talked about earlier with Sequin Barclay, where, and it gets a different run scheme told that, but the idea of, all right, well, you're going from three lanes to one lane highway. This goes from what should be one lane highway to now it's open road. And so now you go to the next level and it turns

into an explosive play. Later on, similar kind of situation where you've got Caleb Williams under center and you've got the running back in the backfield. You've got a basic 11 personnel set. Everybody, all 11 defenders, in the frame here, because it's a condensed set. The Eagles in a standard base defense look. Now you've got the tight end who was over here. He motions late into the full back spot. Then you got another motion. And you're saying all of this stuff is now just changing the picture for the defense and

you're computing it all quickly. This is all happening within a few seconds. So now everything's got to change. You got linebackers changing alignments. Everybody's kind of moving spots. You've got the safety. This is actually a really big one here because this is going to be a run that's going to come back the other way.

So who are the defenders that are going to be affected by this? Well, you've got Nicobi Dean on the backside, and you've got Sidney Brown on the backside. Well, after this receiver comes in motion here, the linebackers all bump over, so now Nicoby Dean's removed. But then look at the safeties. The safety's rock and roll against this motion. So Sidney Brown, he's going to drop to the post. Blanket ship's going to come down because you're changing to the strength of the offensive

formation. So basically, Ben Johnson saw it like, all right, well, when we do this, how do the safety's response? So now they roll out. So now you've got the tight end that wasn't the backfield, initially it was over here, then lined up here, and now he's running back over this way. Look at Kobe Dean.

Kobe Dean's like, oh, what's happening here? Jalen Phillips, he's kind of had to slow up. No safety here, because the safety is Sidney Brown. He rotated away. You're the running back. All right, here's the wall. Everybody's doing their job here. This all looks good.

But where's the backside pursuit? Nicopi Dean's running with the tight end that was in the backfield, he's gone. Jalen Phillips, he's trying to attack the quarterback on the boot. Just look at all this space. It's a huge, it's a huge cutback lane. And now you've got a Dori Jackson one-on-one with a ton of space for the back,

and Swift's able to make him miss. We saw something I broke him to play down similar on the post-game show where it was Sidney Brown, one-on-one in the hole. And Sidney Brown missed the tackle. Here, Dory Jackson missed the tackle. So across the board, you just saw a number, it was probably like four chunk plays in the run game where this exact thing happened

where they motioned out they were able to get the the eagles to remove defenders from the box where there was linebackers nickel corners safeties either guys rotating to depth or guys rolling with a play action fake to the to the outside and they were able to create a lot of space for those those cutback lanes for the backs so is that on vick for not making an adjustment honestly this is a this is to me one of those things where when when a run game gets rolling this is what they can do to you if they're well coached and that's all those guys are putting binds it's like when when the eagles would do this to people it's like all right well what do you do you know when this office is rolling like what do you do it's kind it's kind of it's

similar kind of situation you have to be able to stop the run you get in the second and nine that's different than when it's second and four or second and second and three and now all this stuff becomes on table so often it was because it goes the other way too i didn't have another play too where it's like, the guys are hyper-focused on the run. Yeah. And then it's a quick little dump off to the flat, and it's seven yards. And too many of those played, like, I didn't look at the success rate number. My guess is that success rate extremely high for Chicago in a game where they, guys,

they had 85 plays in four quarters. Like, that is nuts. Chicago had 40, the Eagles defense was out there for 47 plays in the first half, I believe, and it's the most that a defense has had to play in a first half all season. it ties the most defense has had in the last two seasons. Coming off playing a lot of snaps in the Cowboys game too on a short week. And you saw like the attrition of the Cowboys game kind of like lead in to the Bears game as well.

I'll tell you what, that's part of the reason why I am a little bit baffled at Jihad Campbell, not playing a single snap in the game. And I know that Nekobi's been awesome and is better against the run than Jihad Campbell is. But like, get him on the, find a way to get him on the field when you're playing 85 snaps. Yeah. And I actually do think that if you're,

if you are wondering about like what Harry Roseman thinks about everything that's going on right now and the team maybe not making the most of his roster, I feel like Johan Campbell not playing a snap is like the thing that could be his breaking point. Like what are you doing not getting my guy on the field? And again, like what's good for the 2025 Eagles versus what's good for 2026 and beyond? I mean,

going to be one of the big storylines is what are they able to what are they going to do with nikobi dean here this spring are they able to keep them do they want to keep them what does that mean for jihad campbell what does that mean for zach bond uh that's going to be something fascinating to follow and you like yeah you can make the argument that is better for this year's team to have nicoby dean out there but i mean they rotated a couple like byron young played a bunch of snaps um because yeah yeah they played 85 snaps you need to rotate those guys in and out um but they didn't have that same rotation at linebacker certainly two really quick things Jalen Carter did say after the game that he's dealing

he said he wouldn't say what he's dealing with but he intimated that he's dealing with something because it did stand out to me like the one grab you had there it's like he's getting blown off the ball it was not a great and happened numerous times he got moved a handful of times yeah it almost felt like the bears put a circle on him which is crazy to think but it did seem that way during the game and then the other really quick thing I wanted to say because I know we've got

something coming up here but I like the bears use motion not for motion's sake they Use motion to put a defense into a line. Yep. I mean, it's watching those two offenses operate back to back. It's very different. Yeah. Okay.

And so given the framing, how confident are you that the Eagles defense will turn things around? I think the defense, to me, I feel I stand by my initial feeling on it where it was, this is a unit that felt like they were carrying the load and then the dam cracked. I stand by that assertion. It was a great assertion by you. Thank you. We'll find out. no i mean i think it was i think it's the proper read of the game okay well a little bit more to get to here uh on the p h a eagle's show in overtime

not my best do you think lindsay was like does she have like the she wants to the sign she's thinking she's thinking about it was it like ready to go yeah she knows she's learning no no listen you are learning Lindsay's right when she does it at least I'm At least there's somebody up here will stand up for the production staff. Please. You know. Nobody has their back more than me.

What does that even mean? Says the guy who sends in swooper graphics 37 minutes before short time. That was one time. The Cam Lottu Totum was the egregious just like lack of respect for the production.

I still have to own that one. I don't want to I don't want to kick a guy when he's down and it's really like punching down. How bad is Sidney Brown? Yeah, I mean, he's... How much of a complication is that

in the weekly game printing process for Vic Fangio to have to account for that? Yeah, I mean, honestly, it was very much a Dennis Green like who we thought they were kind of moment, like watching him. It's like, yeah, like he came in hot a couple times, but it's a couple tackles, got routed up a couple times in coverage one-on-one.

I know that he played in the slot in some of their nickel packages back in 2023, but that's not his game. Not ideal. Not ideal. Yeah. They're going to have to work around it. Do you think it's just a scheme thing? Like you think he would fit into a defense that was maybe like lets him be a little

bit more aggressive or do you think it is just the state of where he's at in his career right now? I think that he could find a role like especially kind of role for like a blind Brian Flores like blitz heavy like all right like we're just going to kind of cut you loose but it would be a sub package role I think he's better served as like special teams backup yeah I think you can make a case is how his worst third round pick of all time can't be the worst of all time I mean like you're talking about actual production it would be davion Taylor but david and Taylor was taking like 40 picks after where they took sitting

Brown. Now, Curtis Marsh, his first third round pick. Looking through his third round picks there, actually. They're pretty good. Yeah, yeah, good. Milton Williams. Well, he thinks he's terrible. Nicopi Dean. Yeah, that's true. Nick Foles is in here. Yeah, Curtis Marsh, I think, is a Daniel Tio Nishin.

Teona's on a sign. Sorry. That was like back when I was in college. That's okay. As an encyclopedic of my name pronunciations Brian Smith that's not him no yeah it was before how I took over oh fair okay all right you convinced me I mean I don't just what could they could they use of being Taylor I always like give him like the COVID excuse like I know that like you know they internally they pretended that they were the only organization that had to deal with COVID at times but Daveon Taylor was a very specifically like he needed the reps that he

couldn't get because of the pandemic I don't even know that I would that I would fall back on COVID it's just that Davey on Taylor was at the point you took him you knew that it was a very low ceiling yeah you were embracing the risk but the risk was exacerbated by the fact that like he didn't get to practice

all summer like the I think he needed the offseason program more than most players would have needed the off season probably and I think they would probably say internally that there wasn't buy in from the coaching staff on developing him but it was also like it was

much later pick. Yeah. And it was like, you knew that you were rolling the dice, that this was unlikely to work out, but it was worth the risk in your,

in your view. Yeah, Sydney was more of like a high floor. You're expecting him to come in and play. Yeah, they're excited about him. They might have to retire the Red Star program.

Him and Will Shipley? Yeah. The guy's competitive on his grade point average. I think the Red Star program like makes sense. I think it's like, I know. I know.

I really. I really don't We gotta talk about it Because he's playing But it is it's not fun to just Say that a guy is not playing very well Yeah You know who was playing well though

Jordan Davis had a good game the other day Yeah And it's crazy to say that about a nose tackle After the team gives up 280 yards in the ground I mean I've got shots of it But like He's beaten He beat like four of the five

Starting offensive linemen for the Bears straight up one-on-one in the game. I think it's just a matter of expectation and, like, what is he? He's not going to be like a rusher, a dynamic presence there, getting after the quarterback, but in terms of being like a really stout,

like take on double teams, be a really good run defender. I think he has reached that plateau. And so in that, like I think he's going to play for a long time. He has also already been more impactful as a rusher this season than really anybody had any right to expect. Yeah. And again, like with what he's doing in the run,

like he is he is helping other guys with what he's doing in the run game he's he's been a force positive or a net positive yeah I missed mixed force multiplier and net positive he's been a net positive in the wrong he's been an impactful player there okay that's good I think that's good yeah reason to be

now it's like I will do you pay that guy exactly can I have the flip side to that yeah a couple weeks in a row now Chilean carters like not only not being impactful but maybe being a net negative well that's to me it's going to be what do they know about like the injury stuff and like how does that color the the internal dialogue about him yeah he was he was basically a zero against dallas

like non-factor against a rookie one-on-one they were good leaving tyler booker one-on-one with jalen carter for the majority of that game and booker won a lot of those matchups and then in this game he's getting double-teamed a lot and got washed out all the time yeah yep that's not great yeah there were a couple plays there was the one play he's also i mean he's playing 95% of the snaps and i you know maybe this is another thing where harry roseman behind the scenes is like you know vick i love you thanks for the ring but this is why i've been wanting to rotate guys my whole life like you're you're running my best player into the ground somebody we talked about being like one of the best players in football going into the year yeah sorry go ahead no it's right but that's why i actually had somebody

texted me today asking about tie robinson like oh like is he playing like and it's like no he's he has been a non-factor like not like healthy scratch right healthy scratch for the guy who was supposed to be well this guy's going to come in and play right away he can contribute as a role player right away hmm I mean you're allowed to you're allowed to miss on picks

yes of course but and it's early but yeah that's that's a disappointment yeah I that to me like the the blocking tight end one is the issue like from a personnel standpoint like the you know making sure that that part of it was handled. But if you're going through like the reasons why the 2024 eagles are disappointment,

I would say like personnel moves. Like the Howie Roseman angle of it is pretty far down the road. I agree with that. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. There are things on the margins and some other decisions you could point to. But I agree.

This is this is, of all the things, this is not the one to point to Howie for. Let's say this one goes the path of 2023. Okay. okay where uh let's say they you know essentially split down the down the road down the stretch here you know they go two and three you know three and two whatever they limped to the playoffs they're the four seed you know whatever uh and then they go one and done in the playoffs yeah what happens i feel like that's a whole show we've got to stretch it this week i think that's a wednesday or Thursday show, but

I mean, there's absolutely nothing in the history of Jeffrey Lurie to point to there being no change after that, right? Yeah. And I posted it this weekend, but the offense in particular, in the last 20 years, there have only been three years in which the Eagles have had an objectively bad offense.

So below average, success rate, any paper drive. and those are the three seasons that led to a guy getting fired I don't think that they would move on from Nick Siriani a year after he won the Super Bowl that seems crazy seems insane

but I think they're gonna they're gonna do something if it goes that way the question that I like I don't and let me also say no I'm sorry

I'm sorry to cut you off but I mean throwing rocks oh yeah at Kevin Petulow's house. Oh, I didn't even see that. Go to jail. I didn't see this.

You are an absolute scumbag. Leave the family alone. That is absolutely way over the line. I didn't even see that. I mean, it goes without saying. I think that's ridiculous. Of course. But like, you know, we can, we can bag on the offensive design.

I really, again, I do not put it on. It's not like he's the only guy involved in what's going on right now. I think he's way too easy of a scapegoat. That aside, it's a human being. Yes. come on well this is a good segue that's that's why you got to get this in here because it's a good segue into the question that i have been asking myself that i really don't know the answer to and don't feel great even asking is like if this season goes the way of 2023 like can you

bet on the partnership of nixiriani and jalen hearts moving forward i think that's a like a real question they're going to have to answer it's crazy to say like they were just standing up But, you know, with the Super Bowl trophy, not that long ago, but it is, it's just, it's a fair question to ask, especially, like, the last season, Sequin kind of papered over some of the stuff, but the past game was not great last year either. Obviously, 2023 went the way that it went. We have a long sample size of this not really working. Yeah.

I don't know. It's a crazy question, but it's one that I can't quite shake. All right. You got to go to Nick Siriani's. Speaking of. breast conference we'll let you go I mean I don't know anything else who runs

and what do you think I think that the to me like the uncomfortable conversations happen with that dynamic it's hard to run it back with both yeah which is nuts like we're all like so uncomfortable

but it's like because it goes back to like the even like I don't want to go we don't need to go too far because EGS to jump but like go ahead you can walk out. I've been walking off the set I'll all show. I'm going to get it I'll get it up and then I'll walk out

when a no, don't, no. You better not stand up. You better stay seated. Loopy Monday. It would be Monday. I'll have it open. That's even worse. You know what I mean? The power bomb is going to get it up.

Oh, I'm going to leave it open. Oh, all right, go ahead. I don't even know where I was at. But yeah, I mean, it's crazy to be saying that, and the thing of that, considering where this team was, but much like the Jalen Hertz, A.J. Brown dynamic, how this is not new for 2025. He didn't start from scratch here.

This is multiple years where the past game has had issues, and there's been, like, questions about who's doing what, of why are you doing this? At some point, that comes to a head. So if you're not having the success that you were having, to me, that pours gasoline on the fire. So, yeah. We could do a whole show.

And I also, I mean, listen, I also think there is a dynamic of, in 2023, Nick Siriani has no choice, but to accept a slap on the wrist, we're going to make your staff for you. Yeah. You are going to be the CEO. Right. You know, sort of the, I don't know the word, I'm going for it, but like, you know, like the game manager.

No, the castration to some degree of like his power. Like he's accepting. Like there's no choice but to accept it. Right. When you won a Super Bowl year before. Yeah. And this is what it was like with Doug. It's like, I don't know, all of a sudden I'm, I'm prideful enough to not be willing to take that feedback.

but if not, then maybe it does lead to divorce. I was on with Couser earlier and he brought up the point with like the past game and with Jalen. He's like, Jalen, he's probably in a spot where he could benefit from just like taking a step back and like watching it from the side. I was like, yeah, but that's not going to happen unless he gets hurt. So when you are a quarterback with that just one Super Bowl MVP nine months ago, like that's not happening. So it's it works that way as well. very strange position if they find themselves in.

Crazy stuff. All right. Reminder. Send your mailbag questions to E.J. at all p.hly.com. And we're going to get to him tomorrow. Mailbag show.

Doesn't have to be Eagles related. E.J. wants all your bathroom questions. Apparently. It's not my wheelhouse. Totally. Right up my alley, baby. And we got a long week. We're going to hear from Lesbo, and he's going to join us on Wednesday.

We will give you some Malcolm Jenkins discussion. Brandon Graham's going to join us. So all kinds of good stuff coming up this week. And then on Friday, we get a forehander with Fran and the professor with our charges preview. So lots of good stuff coming. We will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Thanks for watching and listening, everybody. Thank you, Lindsay and Julia, for getting together in studio.

Unbelievable. I mean, that was awesome. You did a great job. Yeah. No, it was an outstanding job from Julianne. I mean, literally like in the last 20 minutes got it all tightened up. Just outstanding.

Hats off to all of you. But you are such a pro. It's calm down. I mean, I had to stand up. The guy's a star. No. Genius. Unbelievable.

And check out the shows that we have coming up tonight on the PHY channels. We have super chats. Oh, we have more super chats. All right. Go ahead. A couple of super chats to get to. Oh, wow.

A bunch came in. Zach says, who is luckier to have won a Super Bowl? Nick Siriani or Mark McCarthy? I mean, Mike McCarthy. There you go. Ross, watching Fran today was like watching 2013 Serena, masterful performance. I didn't watch 2013 Serena.

With a watchful eye. I'm assuming that's compliment. Yeah. Thank you. Did a great job. Thank you. Nanya, again. Wow.

Bo, I know I am broke, but E.J. needs to simp limbiscuit. Oh, geez. Thank you again for the super chat. And then Shea says, can you bring Zeebe back for the meeting if we go the way of 2023? I know you're not going to answer that. What does Zach Bonn have to do with? This?

Yeah, we have to. Zach Bonn will play a role. Okay. I mean, E.J. is going to be involved in the show, too. I mean, not going to take the guy out. No. I don't need to be there for that. Okay. All right.

Oh, now we're on this camera. That's exciting. There you go. I see you. That's all we got. Thanks for watching, listening, everybody. Thank you, Julia and Lindsay. We will talk to tomorrow 2 o'clock for Fran and E.J. I'm Bo.

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