PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Film Review: Fran Duffy explains new IDENTITY for Jalen Hurts, Nick Sirianni & Eagles O

Episode Date: December 15, 2025

After a dominant 31-0 victory over the Las Vegas Raiders, have the Eagles found their identity on offense with Jalen Hurts under center? Fran Duffy breaks down productive days from the quarterback as well as Dallas Goedert, A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith, and Co. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast on a freezing Monday live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley, a wolf, the great Fran Duffy in the middle, the great E.J. Smith over there, finally delivering on the promise of wearing a sweet hat on the show. It comes full circle. It comes full circle. We appreciate that. We've got a lot to get to on the show today. We're going to talk about the offense potentially finding a little bit of a new identity, some of the structural changes that they made, why the run game may be improved, and an anatomy of a shutout on the defensive side of the ball.

As we review the Eagles dominating 31 to nothing win over the hapless Las Vegas Raiders. Fran, how are you? I think hapless is the exact word I use texting. our friend Sean Syed this morning about the Raiders. Literally like that that was worse on film that it was on TV yesterday. That was a

terrible performance from the Raiders. Are you going to be upset about the fact that he was texting Sean Syed and not us? I am upset about it, yeah, are you? I like a group chat with Sean Syed. I enjoy that. You act like you don't have a group text and Sean Syed. I do, but I mean a group chat. Giving us an insight

into your back and forth would help us prep for the show as well. That's what the show is for Don't do the show before the show As our friend says I'm not buying that I think that's a convenient excuse Did you guys let me know

Every bit that you got From conversations with BG today I think I'll let you know most of them You didn't let me know any of them It's too early We haven't even All right Let's get to the breakdown

We got a lot to get to Big Day here Let's start with the caveats Let's sort of get them out Okay Good point This is a very bad team. Bad team.

Maybe the worst team in football. Yeah. And they're playing with their backup quarterback. Yep. And as you're going to tell us, they didn't really play with a ton of effort. So, no. This was a Raiders team that was not coming in to win the game. We know that.

Yep. That's true. Let's try to evaluate the Eagles performance on its merits. Yeah. I mean, they weren't going against air. Like, you know, they were players out in the field, NFL players, NFL talent. The Raiders do have some, you know, there are some talented players on that side of the ball. So I think at the end of the day,

this was definitely a net positive and you definitely would rather see them dominate and shut out a bad team than have a nail biter against a bad team so to me yeah this was definitely a positive whether it was watching it live yesterday or watching the film back this morning and we will get into the game plan

they put together on offense and obviously the defense was amazing 75 yards of offense allowed the fewest in an NFL game since the 2023 season really good we'll get to that at the end we know the defense was awesome they were playing a terrible team. We were much more interested in sort of the structure of the offense,

what they did game plan-wise against the team that they probably knew that they had a good chance to beat. But how do they approach this game in terms of trying to break the three-game Schneid? And what you saw from that, did it make you feel better about the three weeks to come? I think so because I think the way we structured it, our conversations the last couple of weeks was, all right, well, we don't need the Eagles to even be as good offensively

as what they were in the first half of the year. They don't need to be top 10 in EPA. They don't need to be, but if they can get to be like average and the defense continues to play at this level, in the NFC, they're going to make some noise. And honestly, after what happened yesterday, especially more so, I think when you look at what the bones of this offense have looked like the last couple of weeks and some of the tweaks that they've made, yeah, I do have some confidence that they can get to like sustainable mediocrity in certain areas and necessary areas.

and then if you still factor in like, oh yeah, like A.J. Brown can have an explosive play. Saquan Barclay can have an explosive play. Even though they're not doing it at the legendary clip that they were a year ago, if you say like, all right, we can be,

our success rate can be solid and we won't have all the three outs that we had in the first half. And then you have those explosive plays. I think that's the recipe for success with this team. And if you want to get beyond the analytics of it and just like the locker room of it, I think it does matter

for them to have a little bit of swagger on offense. No question. And, you know, just a little belief in themselves. And so if that comes at the expense of the worst team of football, so be it. This is like with as much talent as they have on offense, I think it is a very fair point to say that, like, this is a confidence thing as much as anything else. Obviously, there's a lot of schematic elements to this, but at some point it is just like earlier in the season, like that Rams game, like where AJ Brown is throwing people off and running for explosive plays off the hit trouts.

Like we spent a lot of time talking about the hit trouts, but like at some point, if these guys have a confidence and a swagger, as you put it, like I think that does make a big difference. Was there anything from the locker room, E.J., I know this is, you know, you're covering a game, you try to unpack everything you heard,

but then afterwards you go back and listen and maybe think of something else different. Was there anything that came to you after the fact when you were sort of reviewing the tape, as it were? Yeah, to me, the significant thing that on the drive home, the more I thought about it, I'm not saying this is like a profound takeaway, uh, it was just like refil and her

said a good EPA. You know, did you, did you know that actually? His EPA per dropback was the best of his career. I don't know if you, I don't know if you know that. Did you hear about this friend? No. I'm on the phone with Bo this morning and we're just like, oh, wait, you guys had a conversation that's fair, too shay.

Well, it's about schedules for episodes you're not on. Yeah. So I, and I, at the end of the conversation, I was mentioning, I was like, I don't know if you know that uh jalen had the best EPA per dropback of his career uh yesterday and he and he's on speakerphone and he's so offended like it's like awkward silence e j i said that to you on the show yesterday and i got i get so defensive i'm like no no you know there's the way you mentioned that and julia's looking at me like yeah she listened um but yeah really quickly just reflecting on the week that Jalen Hertz had, you know, and I think it took a little bit,

it took me like stepping back and kind of thinking about he went from, you know, some calls for him to get benched and one of the worst games of his career to one of the most efficient games of his career. And he seemed to make it, one to make it like business as usual after the game. You know, it didn't seem like he wanted to make it more than what it was, but I do think that there was some significance there. And I think, honestly, his reaction on the touchdown pass to AJ, you could kind of see that illustrated i agree with that uh and in terms of how the eagles went about helping him out in terms of

uh making that happen it's time to talk about the big deal presented by cherry hill jeep and fran it started with his hands under cam dragon's butt under center getting those under center reps get those grundle reps in baby well as you said uh yesterday on the show in different terms uh this was the most under center we've seen in the nick syriani era Yes, and it ended up being a little bit lower than it was initially, but still the most of the Syriana era. So under the under, the under center was under 50%. After the game, we thought it was over, but yes.

Got it. Well, either way, I mean, we see the numbers now flash on the screen. Thank you, Lindsay. The numbers from under center definitely stood out. And I think that when you look at it, yes, like the, this is something that we have talked about often with this Eagles offense. And to me, when you're talking about some of the pitfalls that we've seen, seen from this scheme in recent weeks and over the large chunks of the season, a lot of it has

been predictability and the static nature of the offense and the pretty, you know, just the defense is always kind of having a bead on what you're going to do. And one of the things that you can do to keep them on their toes is you get under center. And one of the, the reason why is that it opens more things up for what you can do. You can run different run schemes out of under center than you do from the shotgun. And it basically can hide your intentions a little bit. If the running back is not off to the right now you're not getting into like same side inside zone just to try and throw defenses off your trail right like you've got that ability to be able to do uh different run schemes in any direction you want and you can you could stay balanced but then you get into the play action element

of it and the eagles were very effective off of play action that's where i want to start uh here on this three receptions for dallas goddard where he's wide open in all three of these situations and they're all three different kinds of concepts to get him open and we'll start uh very early on in the football game and this is again that this is we're looking at like your your basic like under center principle and think about like uh as well i'll go to the next shot here this is going to be outside zone action where you got tank bigsby working hard to the out to the right side how many times have we seen dallas goddard line up as a wing or as an inline player and come across the formation to run those slide routes he dropped one on an rPO earlier in the game uh he ran one he's run this

Trout a million times with Hertz and the shotgun and it being an RPO. Well, off of inside, off of outside zone action, he's going to run the slide route as if he's going to block this defensive end and he's going to run right by him and run to the flat. Well, now the defense, they're all playing run, run, run, got it, runs right, runs right by him and he is wide open. I mean, there is nobody within 15 yards of him and he runs for a first down, nice and easy. Later in the game, you have multiple tight end sets, heavily, you know, this is a condensed formation everybody in between the numbers different run action you're running duo here where you've got

the running back attacking straight downhill so you're really threatening these linebacks and getting them to attack the line of scrimmage that's not the the same lateral action so it's a different kind of run a run that the eagles ran multiple times in the game yesterday and this time you're going to get dallas goddard who started here on the slot he's going to work towards the middle of the field and break back this is just going to be a nice little sail route it's a three level stretch you've got devante working down the field. What I like here is that the Eagles were in a multi, multi tight end set out 12 personnel. And so you had the Raiders matching with their base defense. What that means is that you now have a defensive end, essentially in Charles Snowden, he's dropping into the flat. He's not going to

get underneath this route. He's not going to get this depth to try and take away this route from Dallas Goddard. He's instead going to stay low and try and get Grant Calcutera in the flat. So you know you're going to get Dallas Goddard, wide the hell open. I mean, there's just so much space here there's again nobody within 10 yards when he catches the ball there's nobody close right and so again that's a aggressive three-level stretch call you're you're putting stress on the defense and a lot of different ways and then you go a little bit later in the game bow you love this play when it happened and again you have jalen hertz under center this time you're going to pull land and digerson so you're going to sell maybe it's counter maybe it's power if you're linebacker

devon white you're thinking oh this is this is going to be another counter run i've got to attack down downhill Atlanta Roberts are going to attack downhill and then you get a read oh you know what maybe this is actually going to be a play action fake you've got bigsby attacking downhill oh wait is it run or is it pass once you realize it's passed you got to get on your horse and get back to your landmark they're trying to attack down the field it's going to be some kind of deep crosser let me make sure I well now you you've softened this up and look at Dallas gotter he's wide open this was a slow kind of a release here for Dallas Goddard so you're putting so much stress on all these defenders in a lot of different ways. Sometimes it's Dallas got to go into the flat. He's

attacking the intermediate area of the field. Sometimes you get them worried that it's going to be something vertical and then he's sneaking underneath. This is essentially a screen, essentially at the end of the day. It's not a screen, but these kind of delayed routes. But this all starts. Quarterback under center. You have the wide, you know, voluminous playbook from a run game standpoint. And the Eagles pushed all those buttons yesterday. You saw inside zone. You saw outside zone. You saw split zone. You saw duo. You saw counter. You saw a different variety of out of run. So all these different run plays mixed in with lots of play actions and Eagles had a lot of success. So a few things here. Yeah. Under center. If you look at Jalen's

three best games of the season by EPA per dropback. Okay. It is this game, the Vikings game, and the Giants win. Also the three highest games this season in under center percentage. I think that's fair to say that there is some correlation there. And I and I wonder how you feel about, like, I think if we think about quarterbacks, and if it's a quarterback's offense, he's just back there in shotgun, he's directing traffic, he's the boss, he knows

everything that's going on, and he can survey the scene. And it makes it then feel like going under center is it's like too easy for the quarterback. The training wheels. Right? It's like training wheels for the quarterback. But I don't think that that's fair, obviously.

And it's not it's not a bad thing to make things easier. Yep, you know what I mean? It doesn't need to be as hard as this. Yeah, I mean, this is the battle that Matt LaFleurre and Aaron Rogers had. Yeah. This is the battle that Zach Taylor and Joe Burrow have had. This is the battle that Peyton Manning had

with coaches. And when you look, you say, all right, well, yeah, those guys, they wanted to live in the shotgun and be completely static with no motion and just let me be the sheriff. Let me be the point guy. Can see everything. Yep, see everything. And I'm going to pick and choose where I want to go. Not everybody's that guy. And that's okay. And if you

even if you are that guy, and there was that shaky first year with Matt LaFloran Rogers where it wasn't great and then he played two MVP quality years of football. One of them was an actual MVP year. Yeah, like there's a reason why this works. And here's the thing about it.

If you're going to live in the gun and you're not doing the quarterback run stuff, which a lot of those guys aren't bringing the quarterback. So if you're not doing, that means you really need to be Joe Burrow, Peyton Manning, you know, Philip Rivers. You need to be that guy. And so that's the ultimate sign of it is that, all right, well, if they're not leaning into the quarterback run stuff and they're still want to live in the shotgun, it's just that you're not putting stress on those defenders enough.

And here you saw examples of them being able to put that stress on those second and third level defenders. Now, the stuff that we're talking about in terms of EPA pro-dropping and success, right, these are efficiency metrics. They're not, they're not volume metrics. And so it's fair to say that if they're leaning on under center stuff and those are his three most efficient games, they're also games in which he's not. having to throw quite as much, and you understand that in a game against the Raiders where they're up 31-0. But again, I don't think, even if the running game is not as good as it was last year, and if it's even like just okay, I still think that there are reasons to do this that are beneficial to the passing game. Yep, I agree. And that's, to me, like, you start getting into like the

complimentary nature of it where it's, the run game can help the pass game and vice versa. and you know just getting the quarterback under center it can make the defense more predictable at times you can dictate to the defense a little bit better again keeping them honest both from a personnel standpoint but then also like individually like if you are devon white or lannon roberts like i mentioned if you're jemal adams if you're jeremy chin like those guys at the second level that are you know five yards off the ball at the mesh point like you're not quite sure if it's going to be run past and so uh you're you're helping everybody uh and so yeah I think that absolutely has a big reason why.

To me, like, you want to play this way. This is sustainable. This is like, you know, it raises the floor of this offense, no question. Now, I want to just note that Nick Siriani was sort of wishy-washy when asked about the under-center approach in this game, basically said every game calls for something a little bit different. And I think this brings about like a bigger conversation about whether this is going to be something we see from them moving forward.

Yes. Yeah. And I think one of my biggest. takeaways like for all the reasons you guys just laid out we haven't really seen the eagles like commit to something offensively yeah this is the thing to commit to in my opinion i think like being around being around guys players and coaches i think there's like almost like a confusion as to why there's a fascination with the under center stuff from an outside perspective and i'm hoping that this game is like eye opening for them and like this is what people have been pointing to i'm sure that

they're aware of the numbers uh that you know how much better they've been under center the last couple of weeks but to me like like we're going to talk about if they found the identity to me this is the identity this is something that you can lean on especially on early downs they've harped so much on being ahead of the sticks being on schedule i think this really is the the the key for those those areas right now to be fair in this game in particular they were also pretty efficient even when they weren't under center like the difference in success rate between under center and uh not under center in this game was pretty marginal they were still very good under center

and the other thing they did in this game which goes into being in under center Fran is they were 13 personnel heavy yesterday another one where it was the highest percentage of the Nick Siriani era like 28% there it is 27%

and again they were actually a little bit more successful in under and not in 13 personnel but 50% success rate on I think it was 18 plays yeah and 13 13 says a lot too yeah and that's the thing is that to me what was fascinating going back through the film that I didn't quite appreciate watching it live you got to see this the the the poop-eating smile on his face what is it because a lot too is that you know season high 19

offensive snaps saying best game of the year for the offense and but truly we've been talking for so long about how bad these tight ends are at blocking yeah so why was why is 13 personnel effective despite that two reasons um i think that you had some success throwing out of 13 yeah you i want to say the rate the fact that it was the raiders does help there does help that this is one where i did maybe cool our jets a little bit on this yeah right um but what i will say is that when you lined up in 13 you knew you knew for sure you were getting base yeah and what you saw from the eagles as well is they were they were and this is good this is good football like this is good coaching this is good game planning is like okay we're going to get into

this personnel grouping that we know that the raiders are going to match with this personnel grouping and then we're going to come out in this formation from this grouping and we know that when when we line up this way this is how this is a coverage are going to play and then we're going to call a play to attack that coverage like just good ex and oh chess match like really really good stuff from the eagles coaching staff and there were good examples of it kind of like strewn throughout and to me like that was one of my big takeaways is this is like the second week in a row where I'm watching, I'm like, okay, I get what the idea is here with this past game concept. They're trying to attack this guy.

This isn't just, hey, you three run hit trouts, you know, over and over and over again. If you were to watch this team, this offense, the last two weeks and compare that to, you know, the Packers game, the Lions game. You wouldn't think it was the same offensive staff on like the same game plan. Did the first and second down versus the third down game plans feel as disjointed as it did last week? in my text in my text to shantz i had this morning i said if i were a fantasy football league commissioner the league punishment would be you have to watch all the third down dropbacks to the the third down past game drop the like the drop back past game offense on third down is tough watch like that is like that's those are some of the most frustrating like schematic like

i'm not sure what they're doing here uh type i don't understand that do you think that maybe there's like an element this is i'm not married to this i just am curious what you might think. Is there an element of like the give up plays in halftime? Like it's similar there where it's like third down. The coward's drawn. You're not going to bite off more than we can chew here. We're just going to take our medicine and, you know, get to the next drive.

But what is confounding to me about it is you would think that third down is when you would have your designer stuff in because you know those are the times when you're going to need a big play. Like you're going to need to design something in the passing game. And, you know, there's a couple ways you can look at. And in theory on third down. is when you feel like, hey, we're probably going to get man coverage here or we're going to get their best

coverage. Obviously, you're going to get some disguises. You're going to get some pressures and things like that. But I just don't like a lot of the things they do conceptually on third down. And I don't think it's necessarily like a, it's not like a, I wouldn't call it disjointed. I would just say that it's like that's where a lot of like the more the ISO stuff still remains. Again, small sample last two weeks.

Like I really like some of the stuff they're doing in the first and second down drop back pass game. And I'm not seeing that yet on third down. Okay. We're going to take a little quick break. to hear from some sponsors that continue, the discussion continues on the other side as Fran tells us about the sequencing

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promo code P-H-L-Y, terms and conditions apply. Back on the P-H-O-Y-Eagles podcast, E.J. Smith, Bo-Wolf. Fran Duffy with the snappy snaps. Tell us what jumped out to you about the sequencing, Fran, that you wanted to discuss. Yeah, we hit on it a little bit in postgame yesterday. I really liked the way that they were able to compliment some of the things that they were doing the run game with some of the things they did in the past game

and marrying that up a little bit better. You know, we saw that in the opening drive. You know, they ran all these different versions of a play that was one of their bread and butter run concepts a year ago, and that's counter run. And they ran, again, different versions of it. Very early. Third and long, a third medium here.

You want to talk about seeing a guy get excited. When they run quarterback counter, Fran was like running around the studio doing laps. Well, there were different aspects of why it was, even going back and watching the film, why I got even more excited by it. But what we'll see here on this play, and this is again, opening drive,

you've got Jalen Hertz in the shotgun. It's an empty set. You've got Devante Smith coming in motion. And what you say, when you're talking about linebackers, how they're going to key and diagnose and what they're reading before the play, it's often about,

we ought to read the triangle. So if you're the linebacker here, you're reading this triangle where you've got the offensive line is involved in the triangle, you've got the quarterback, you've got potentially the running back here, but you're reading the initial movements of everybody within that triangle. And what you're going to get here, if you are Jamal Adams in this case,

if you're Jamal Adams on this case, you've got a couple of different things playing out in front of you. Number one, you've got a pulling guard in Tyler Steen is going to come around, he's going to kick out the defensive end, and then you've got a tight end wrapping around as the lead blocker, and that's who's going to come around to try and block Adams. You've got a double team at the point of attack. So you've got down blocks here. You've got two pullers coming across.

And this is just basically a one man, one back run where you've got Jalen Hertz following his blocks. And he's going to come, and this is going to come right into the teeth of the defense here. Goddard's going to come around and he's going to get a hat onto Adams. And Jalen Hertz is off and running. You get down into the low red zone. They come out in a heavy set. You've got 13 personnel on the field. Here's E.J's boy, Latu.

He's going to come around. And what you're going to get here again, same idea is you've got. Latu as the kickout, you've got Landon Dickerson pulling around. He's the rapper here in this instance. And again, if you're these linebackers, you're reading the triangle. You're getting the down blocks. You're getting the two rappers coming around. And here comes Sequin Barkley out the front door.

So you're seeing that it looks exactly the same, right? You've got the down blocks. You've got the rappers coming around. So now you're going to see Devin White. He kind of gets lost in the trash here. And Sequin is going out through the teeth of the defense. Fast forward to the very next play. and you've got inside the five yard line you've got a couple tight ends here on the field hand in

the dirt you've got a receiver coming across in motion that's jehan dodson so if you're the linebackers if you're a landin roberts same idea here we go we've got tyler steen on the move he's going to come he's probably going to kick out you've got the tight end coming across he looks like he's going to block the first guy in the hole this looks like this is a play the eagles used to run all the time last year the last few years is qb counter read where uh jalen hurts is going to read a second level defender, and he can either hand this off to Saquan Barclay, and he's going to take off on the perimeter, or he's going to keep it himself, and he's going to run the QB counter aspect of it, where he can follow his blocks inside. So now if you're, if you're Roberts, who is number

52 right here, you've got to get on your horse, you've got to, you got to scrape over here because the ball's going to be hitting on that in that gap. So you could see right here, he's got the ability, yeah, like there's the run through lane, but no, I've got to make sure I get outside and attack this one, because that's exactly where the kickout block's going. That's where the rapper's going to go. That's where the ball is going to go. I'm following my eyes to the football. I'm trusting what I've seen on film, but that's where the Okie Doak happens.

Now you've got Dallas Goddard. He's not wrapping around. He instead is taking the shovel pass and he's going to cut right through where where Alandon Roberts was and he's taking himself completely out of the play. So it's just a really good visual here of being able to see why the shovel pass is such a good compliment off of off of all those different versions of counter run everything working together it's really working together it's beautiful we are gathered here today to celebrate the marriage of the run game and the past game not though

there I like that unfortunately now now I'm getting sad I'm getting wistful didn't even need Skangarello to do it want to go I want to go a little Princess bride reference but we got you know sad day for all of us yeah no question mm tarry to bring us too screeching home yeah terrible stuff you Google it Okay. Yeah, sorry. Should I know? Yeah, it's fine.

Yeah, sorry. What are you going to do? Oh, the world we live in. Yeah, what do you get next? That was great. I mean, that's great stuff. Yeah, more sequencing stuff. It's good examples of it.

And honestly, even going back to something from last week, remember one of the big nitpicks I had from one of those early third down plays last week? Yeah, was Tank Biggsby out there and empty as a primary read. And I'm like, yeah, like third down. you go an empty don't have tank bigs be out there if you don't think jail's going to yeah because you don't think he's going to throw yeah if he's not going to throw like don't make him the first or don't make him the potentially the first read on a given play so it's again it's one of the the first plays in empty down in the low red zone and what i like here from this one

is that you've got a j brown devante smith jehan dotson there's goddard and there is darius cooper you've got zero one personnel here no backs on the field so they go empty they say we're going to go empty but we're going to go with the zero one personnel so no backs one tight end four receivers on the field so i like that i like saying like okay yeah if we're definitely going to throw from this look let's make sure that we've got four receivers and honestly someone that jalen feels comfortable throwing to and so i like the fact that you had cooper out there now on this play this was the completion to Devante Smith where he's lined up in the slot he's going to run the quick out there's been a cheat code for them for for years if you think you're getting zone coverage

you're basically what you're doing here with the Eagles is that you were going to lift coverage with the outside receiver that's AJ Brown you're going to lift coverage create some some space here underneath and then just basically run Devante into that space and he you're going to count on him beating that defender in coverage more often than not in a great great catch so he dies gets the first down and the Eagles are off and running what that does is that sets up, hey, you know what, if we're going to have Devante, whether it's in the slot, or if it's from a condensed split, like we see here, yeah, we're going to run the out and up. And so they hit this on the very next round, first play of the next drive.

They didn't wait, they didn't wait long. They said, let's, let's get this going. So very next drive, very first play, they come out, they run out and up and it goes for 44 yards. Now, one thing to note here on this one is that let's just take a look, a quick note of the personnel. You've got two backs on the field here. This is a pony personnel set where you've got Will Shipley, there with, with Sequin Barclay. So this is 21 personnel.

You got two backs. You got Goddard. That's Devante at the top. And then you have AJ here. So this is going to be the out and up. It's designed all the way to be the out and up. But what do you get from the Raiders is. And again, you're, you're doing all this stuff early to kind of chronicle.

All right. How is the defense responding? What buttons when we push this button? What do they do in response? They come out. They match 21 personnel as if it's like 1995 with their base defense. So you've got base defense on the field where you got four defensive linemen, I guess five defensive linemen, depending on how you categorize Charles Snowden.

So you got five defensive linemen, two linebackers, four dbs on the field, and they're going to just play straight cover three off of this. So it's just straight spot drop cover three. And yeah, like Devante is going to win here. He's going to win the out and up route. You have a nice clean pocket here for Jalen Hertz. You've got a defensive end out in space. You feel great about all of this for the Eagles.

So Jalen drops back and he delivers a beautiful ball. Couldn't have thrown this. better. This is one of the best things that Jalen does. And again, you're lining up Devante in the slots. Now he's got more room to work outside. If he's static outside, the numbers running a fade route, that's more of a low percentage play. But running it out and up from a reduced

split, that makes a little bit of an easier throw for the quarterback. So now we come back a little bit later. And this is the AJ Brown touchdown. And I didn't notice this watching this live yesterday. But the Eagles again came out in pony personnel, where you've got

Sequin on the field. This is Will Shipley up here. This one now is a you've got two tight ends on the field. This is a 22 personnel pony sets. So you got two tight ends with the two backs with A.J. Brown. How do the Raiders? How do the Raiders respond? Again, with their base defense on the field,

playing a form of spot drop cover three. So you have made the defense predictable. Now, is every defense could be as predictable as the Raiders? No. But you're playing the team that's lined up from you on that given day. That said, as I'm watching this back, you know, we're going off of the broadcast yesterday.

Greg Olson tried to break this down. He felt that this was like an invert Tampa 2 where the corner was trying to get over top of this and he was going to be a split safety. I'm going to be honest. I watched this play like a dozen times this morning. I'm like, I don't know if this cover two. I don't know if this cover three.

I don't know if this cover four. And if that if that's the case, like you know this was a poorly played coverage here from the Raiders. Regardless where I ended up, I ended up, I actually do think this was going to be cover three, especially because that seemed to be. be what their empty check was whenever the Eagles were in empty and they were in their base defense they were playing cover three but either way jalen starts he's looking over to the right

side he wants to make sure this safety stays on this side of the field uh jay does a great job with the route like we broke down in the post game show you can go back to to watch me struggle through that breakdown yesterday uh to to get more of that but he he does a nice job attacking the leverage of this defender he works outside just to widen that throwing lane and then jaylon the last throw the day makes a beautiful throw over the top and puts it right on a j brown for a touchdown but again the eagles were able to dictate to the defense hey last time we came out with the pony personnel so that they matched in base last time we came out and empty out of heavy personnel when they had their base defense in the field they're playing cover three what's our cover three beat or

out of this concept like it's that's good coaching that's good play design so a couple of players in the locker room after the game talked about the fact that the offense dictated terms to the defense you know this land of dickerson's like is a very like um terse would be maybe be a good word to describe how he was i would say that is a nice that is a very good conference and so it's a short quote but i think it is still telling you said we just kind of called our plays and ran them today and i know that sounds simple but i feel like so often from the single's offense we've seen that they haven't been willing to just be the aggressor uh in in games the way that they were in some of the clips here so uh yeah i do i think it was um maybe like the base like the

100 level of being that against a defense like the Raiders, but still an encouraging sign. So here's my, I have a few thoughts listening to the thing about that quote too, is last week, and Dana is brought up this point. It felt like in the last

couple of weeks we've seen instances where it's like, oh, you know what, we want to put Devante in this spot because this is usually an AJ spot or we want to make sure that this guy's here because we don't want to be too predictable. So when you hear Land and say, like we just came out and ran our play. It's like, yeah, we don't want to be too cute. We're just going to go out and

and we're going to run. It's doing to do it. Sequin said the same thing. He said he felt like this was a week where they dictated to the defense. That said, I am curious. I just said, like, the last two weeks have been very, like, to me, it's a good sign. I do wonder how much of it, like, it is sustainable. They can sustain it.

Will they try to? Will they say, like, yeah, this is a identity that works for us. We need to stick to this? Or was this like, yeah, against these two teams, we felt like this would work. But when we play Washington, when we play more importantly, when we play, you know, Green Bay in round one or whoever in round one, that that's something that we're going to stick to.

And I think there are a lot of things in life as you go through it where you go through the evolution of, okay, this is very simple. Oh, actually this is very complicated. Oh, man, this is way more complicated than I thought. And then you get to the 400 level course where it's like, oh, it's actually pretty simple.

Yeah, all of it. Like, oh, all right, we just got to run our plays. Oh, no, actually, we got to worry about what they're going to do if we run our plays. We've got to not be too predictable. well oh oh you know what we gotta do we gotta study everything that they do on defense and what has worked against them how can we do what they do and then you get to the gradual level it's like you know what just run what we run well it's like that meme where it's like the i the iq thing right

and it's like on the the people who have the low IQ are in the weeds about it and then or sorry the people who have the low IQ are like this is simple middle IQ is like in the weeds and then the high IQ guys like no it actually is that simple yeah so it's like yeah you're enlightened i think to your point though fran the next couple weeks are going to be like conflicting no matter what happens because like no matter how it looks over the next couple weeks you're still not going to be certain about what it's going to look like against one of the best defenses in the NFL like in the playoffs it is and it you would expect it to look different you're not going to get that answer and I think even though like

we will evaluate the next few weeks and we'll learn things and I'm sure like there will be encouraging signs or discouraging signs you're just always going to have that in the back your head the way that it looked against the chargers, against the lines. Yeah, but I kind of reject the idea that it doesn't matter because I know that you're not saying that. I think it's just that's what they missed the opportunity to slam the door on it, is what I was sure, but let's let's see what they tried to do. And I think that I think that matters. Yeah, I think it, it probably sets it up where the wild card game is going to be either the, like,

the game that gets them kick, kick them off into like these high leverage games. You feel good about the offense or it comes fresh. I mean, if they go into Buffalo and beat the bills, and if they were to win four in a row, I think you're feeling very good. Okay. I would think so. I would think if they go into the playoffs on a four-game win streak,

I think you'll feel better good about it. Yeah. I don't know if I feel good about that outcome, but I agree with you. If they've got to the table, then yeah, absolutely. All right, let's take a quick break here from some sponsors, back with more on the other side.

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We love that. She's got a new game for us. Very simple. Were they teammates? Look at that graphic. Were they teammates? I'm going to be good at this game. I'm manifesting.

Bo-wolf and Zach Bourbon. I never heard of him. No. Lawrence Taylor and Michael Strayan. No. I'm going to say, I mean, I'm going to say no, but the fact that it's even being asked.

Whoa. Oh, wow. 1993. He was drafted that early. I would have thought there would have been a wider gap between the two of them. That was like, that was Strayhan's first year, rookie year, and he only played like six games or something.

So that's a good one. All right. You know, hold on, I got to tell you something. Somebody at this table. Maybe somebody said that your boy has a resemblance to Michael Strayhan. Now, he might have said Michael Strayhan from team. he might have been trying to insult me but who said that who said it some guy who doesn't like me on social media he said Michael Strayhan from Timu and I was like honestly I'll

take that okay he's his own I mean Michael Strayan's a handsome guy Hassan Reddick and Zach Ertz uh yeah yeah one year his arts got traded in 20 well hold no no no they were not teammates it's got traded in 21 20 no they weren't teammates or it's gets traded in 21 red or signs and 22 yeah yeah finally answers but were they answers and uh teammates also oh in Arizona no but he's in Carolina before the Eagles he was in California he was in 20 he was in Carolina 21 the answers I'm gonna say I'm gonna say no oh he was in Carolina the year before between Arizona Philly. Yeah.

You got one more. Last one. Larry Fitzgerald and Emmett Smith. Yes. I'm going to say yes. Yeah. Just to go to Zach, I'm going to go, no. There you go.

2004. Wow. E.J. was just four years old. I knew. You were, you were 10. You were born in 94. Matt, Matt. Oh, man.

Get the abacist. Orangey. Once again, coming up and clutch. knowing how old you are. Me and E.J. have the same birth year, so I was like, oh, I was 10. All right, back to the snappies.

Can I just say before you go back to the snappies here, Fran, like, when I was a kid, like, you know, a guitar player who was, like, playing with, like, a broken string or, you know, whatever, overcoming the adversity to be a great guitar player was, like, what I would just relish. I would watch the video over and over again. That's you right now with, like,

you're drawn the routes perfectly. Like, you have a mess. I mean, single route. Let's, let's, you got the, you got the voice. It's on, it's on, it's on, you know, it was questionable coming in. Trying to keep, trying to keep it, you know, a little tempered. Just shout out to you. I appreciate it.

Thank you. That's off. Well, not. The routes aren't perfect, but no, you drew, you drew the out and up and you did it with, like, with effortless. I mean, this is my, this is not my first rodeo on a tell us traitors. And I'm just saying. It's impressive.

Thank you. Uh, I don't have any more snaps for offense. So if we want to talk, if there's anything else offensively, I have an offensive question for you. Okay. I saw wannabee GMs in the chat and I know one of his pet peeves this season has been how bad they've been on outside zone right why

I think it was especially evident in this game but it's probably I would say safe to say that's the case most of the year they have been not good at blocking the second level like getting up to the second level whether it's a timing or execution standpoint sometimes it's timing with the offensive line

like uh you know there was there was a play where like they were trying to work up and landin's eyes were looking at the backside linebacker instead of the play side linebacker and so he just missed his guy and then there's another and that could be also like that could be on the center's fault because they didn't set the mic point right like you know there's there's a lot of cases where it's like i don't know what what this guy was looking at here on this one and now that allowed a free run through um then we know about the issues the tight ends have had blocking up at the second level so there there have been lots of issues um sometimes it's been like oh like you know Cam Jorgon's not quite as athletic

because maybe he's banged up and he doesn't get out there. So yeah, those outside zone runs that require you to get up to the second level. Yeah, those have not been as successful this year. And the second level stuff is showing up elsewhere

where you could probably point to that as being a reason for the lack of explosives in the running game. Definitely. Even when they do have it blocked up up front, they're not climbing. Yes. And so that's like,

and said yesterday how I felt like they had some of their best movement at the point of attack. in this game and actually the film showed that there were a number of players where I'm like yeah like the double teams

between Landon and Jordan were great or Cam and Steam like oh look at the double team there but then the linebacker was missed and then he makes the run through and it's like all right well that one went for four and it could have gone for 40 right

like so those plays showed up more in this game than in others I was considering dipping my toe into a really spicy take okay wanted to watch I wanted to watch the no not Bigsby an even spicier take.

Wow. I was thinking, I want to get a look at the backup offensive line. How does Drew Kendall look his first time on the field? Like, is there a case to be made

for like, let Cam Jergans go get healthy? I thought it was fine. Yeah, I wasn't. I would know. I was then underwhelmed. Yeah,

why wouldn't Brett Toast just be the like Cam Jorgans get out? Well, because I haven't gotten to see Drew Kendall yet. I want to see there are to the tools pop off or something like that. And it was just fine.

Yeah, I wasn't moved. Yeah. It wasn't, It wasn't, like, terrible, but... No, no, but, yeah. Okay. Let's take our last break.

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you're just like allowed to be yeah is very first of all barring in lead second of all how dare you what are they're right um yeah i wanted to talk about kuba jean he's he's he's he's just really really good i mean look the defense at the end of the day like first thing like top down they just like just out executed this was like a land Dickerson like like oh we just ran our plays like yeah that's what the defense so did against this one against as you would I mean this is one where as you know we all know that the most important thing the most important marker for good teams is beating up bad teams yeah so it's good that they went out and won this game you know probably

should have it should have been 38 to nothing they get stopped on the on the goal line that's great but this offense really I mean had nothing going for it they the the guards just got beat to hell like i mean like uh no matter who was lined up across from them uh i was watching bg's second sack when we were doing uh unblock i mean earlier today just like it's like a strange it worked that Nolan smith runs over that right tackle i mean yeah guys are just getting railroaded now they i mean they the the guards had no shot you know jordan davis was ragdolling guys left and right um you know the the stunts all worked like oh yeah it was they they dominated those guys what you're smiling at a ragdoll for no i just

I like, I love how much Fran loves Jordan Davis. I mean, like, he, because he, he consistently shows up now. Like, it's just, it's awesome to see. It's really, the man, trust the tape. I'm not saying if there's anything wrong with that. I appreciate it. And you were, you were on this. You were an early adopter.

We won on Jordan Davis's breakout season. Yeah, he's, uh, you could tell like he just had a little, little bit extra oof this year. And he, he has sustained it. It's been, uh, it's been really awesome to see. Okay, but let's talk, let's talk, let's talk, Kubernetes. What is it? there was one yeah there was one play in particular like look uh i posted one play um i didn't i didn't grab it here but i posted on social media of like him tackling ashton genty one on the

whole it was like a duo run that he he cut back uh gentie did and it was one-on-one and he makes stop maybe not as like uh as impressive as the stop he made against derrick henry last year that boopooed at the time um you know didn't think it was that impressive uh yes it was that play um but really an awesome stop one-on-one but there was this this was the one play uh that i was like yeah like this is all the different things that are going to your mind when you're playing a nickel corner and when i'm watching guys in college and say like oh this guy he's probably transitions to the slot like these are this is like a great example of everything's got to go through your mind here on this play so it starts off and you've he's lined up as an overhang defender here so

here's de jean there's a receiver lined up just off frame who's coming in motion before the snap and so he's got to communicate the change in formation and you can see that he's already communicating that you can see that the linebackers are already starting to shift over so you've got to have all right i've got to have the ability to be able to communicate with the linebackers the safeties the corners maybe resetting the front from a defensive line standpoint so having that communication all right well now what are my responsibilities well now it looks like this is going to be a run it looks like it's going to be a duo run where you've got double team here but this is really clean from my run fit standpoint well this is a great picture you can see what the run fit looks like jelux hunt is responsible for

this gap nicobie dean has this gap ojmo's got this gap zack bond's got this a gap you've got byron here on this A gap. Cooper DeGine's got the B gap. And then you've got Jalen Phillips here in the C gap. D. Gap. Very clean. All right. So again, spotlighting on Cooper DeGine. He had to communicate really quickly the motion. And now he's all right. Now I've got a new responsibility. I got tighter to the formations. Now I've got the B gap. All right. So now is this going to be a run? Oh, by the way, this receiver that was lined up over here, he's now trying to crack me. So I got to fight through this contact, maintain eyes on the ball. And now, all right, this is, it's actually not a run it's a pass play so i've got a buzz outside here keeping in mind that i don't want the

quarterback to get outside i just dealt with the receiver trying to crack block me you've got the another receiver coming from the from the other side can you keep it together keeping composure good keep composure here uh so now you've got the the receiver coming back i've got to make sure i get stay inside that throwing lane window all right so you want to make sure i'm maintaining my gap my discipline and zone coverage here. Jalen Phillips is going to get is going to close. So now I'm going to abandon my spot here in zone coverage. I have to rally and make the tackle.

And then I make a form perfect like perfect form tackle high through the thigh outside in beautiful. Like it's just like to me like I watch that play and it's this, this is everything that's going through a corner, a slot corner's mind. Everything he's got to deal with. He's got to play through contact the mental aspect of it. The physical coverage run, run play. Awesome.

like just a beautiful play from cooper to jean what did i say the word i miss you said the wide receiver was trying to crack me and and i wasn't j and i both just looked at each other it's okay no lingo evolves if this wasn't a thing five years ago it's okay it's like my dad have ever told you the thing my dad says honestly maybe i should save it for overtime no no no your dad is a is a a media a superstar right now we gotta get this in the main show um my dad will a lot of times when he's saying like he's like joking with somebody he'll say i'm just busting on you i mean that's a normal thing that people say yeah but i'm like you can't keep saying that like the kids have to have taken that word and made it something else i mean you don't know what he's doing oh jeez we should have saved him for

over time oh man no wonder jalen takes after him oh you know what that means it took 53 minutes it's a loopy monday uh okay kuberd is gene yeah he's awesome do you think

i mean all of that stuff that that he's doing to sip through it all that that's part of like why people think okay you could just be an pro safety but why is it more beneficial to have him also being an awesome nickel like you know what I mean like yeah because you can do all of those things well still yeah yeah because he's closer to the ball and so if you're playing as a safety you're you know again like here you're 12 to 15 yards off the ball as opposed to where there he's down closer the line of scrimmage and has to sort through that he's not getting cracked locked blocked by the by the slot receiver on that situation uh so just again having someone that has that

ability by the way a week removed from the the plays that we saw him make down the field and slad mconkey one-on-one in coverage like having that guy that can do everything to me like he is an all pro nickel corner um i don't think i don't think it's uh that's a question what do you think i know i know we are a while away from it actually coming to fruition but what do you think the number is like average annual value for for him like Kyle Hamilton and by 25 if you were that's the thing I do you guys think the the corner safety thing's gonna go like with him by the time we get to contract time I feel like I feel like from an eagle standpoint I feel like they don't want to overcomplicate it I think it's like he's a

great neck yeah I think I think they but I think they can pay him like if they paid him like the best safety in the league I think I would so that's that's 25 million but I mean the best outside corners are at 30 a year right that's that second tier of outside corners at 25 I don't I don't know like who is the highest paid nickel in the league right now I got sure hold on hold on okay oh look at this you got it in the draft rankings well here's here's here's the question is there any reason to believe that he would be a little bit less valuable in a non-vig Fangio defense because Vic is not going to be here forever right um probably keep that that style of defense i mean they're

doing a thing where you got you think but doesn't make it equal yeah um i think if that was the case that he would probably just move to safety he's yeah that's he's he's such a valuable versatile football player right he does seem pretty scheme yeah if they hired yeah i'm trying to think of who would be a good jim shorts right yeah he would be malcolm yeah yep still that's still probably worth 25 a year yeah in today's NFL and then the follow-up question is they're not going to have to make this choice they will be able to pay both but if you theoretically had to start a defense tomorrow would you start with cooper as unit queen on mitchell are they're going to say jalen carter

with this defense i think it's harder to find i think it's harder to find queen yon yeah it's hard to find cooper djean but i think it's harder to find quignon same question jalen Carter. I think there's a case you could make, a case you can make, probably a more of an office is in conversation, that Cooper de Gene ages better than Quinyan. Yeah, I think that's, yeah, I think so. I think that's probably right.

If Quigianian loses half a step, yeah, at some point, you know, Cooper de Gene will be valuable somewhere. Yep, I think that's a good take. It's a good zag. I still don't, I don't agree. Like, I think I'd still wrap. have Quignan. What about Jalen Carter?

You guys are, are you guys, do you think that's that one's not? No, that's a fair question. I think I would take Jalen Carter, but from like a scheme standpoint, like what they allow you to do. Yeah. I feel like Quinyan or Cooper de Gene both offer you just like a little bit more. I think I would probably take Jalen Carter. I would too.

But I actually do think that maybe the secondary guys. are harder to find? I don't know. I think that might be right. Plus if you have Jordan Davis and he's, yeah, I don't know. I think it's a, I agree that they might be harder to find, but what I would say is that the reason you're saying that is like assuming that the Eagles would draft high. Yeah.

Because you don't find Jalen Carter's at the back end of the first round. Probably not. You feel like it's easier to find like a game, Chris Jones got drafted in the second round. Dexter Lawrence got drafted the back end of the first round like I can go we can pull down yeah and like like and what is you know what is the difference between is the difference between Jalen Carter and a good defensive tackle more important than the difference between

Quinnion and an average corner I don't know these are good conversations for the office these are off I think we could spend an hour talk we have a little bit more to talk about in this game in particular which we will get to in overtime I love this from Friday show by the way my favorite part of Friday show I have a least favorite part but my favorite part was the was was that Friday show you guys I don't remember anything revert yes yeah yeah where you guys were arguing about overtime and then Lindsay ended up being the one that when

Lindsay did it that yeah that was Friday show okay what was your least favorite part we'll save it for for actual overtime okay we'll save it for over time okay the insinuation that I would cherry pick plays that was from Dan is Dan is that I that oh yeah it's really easy for a friend to cherry pick plays to

essentially make Jaila Hertz look bad I was shoveling listening to this yesterday and I literally like I was like mid shovel I was like mid shovel I'm like boom like on his shoulder that's awesome

I was like what the hell yeah that is a shot man wow thought you knew a guy looking to the camera call him out

I mean unbelievable I'm taking Fran in the fight between him and Dainess I mean absolutely he doesn't want That smoke?

Last time he gets motion stats from me, I know that. Yeah. Do you want me to have solidarity? He asks me for the media schedule so you can watch the press conferences. Who, should we ice him out all week? Yeah, should I like, boycott and like, you'll be on the show on Friday, but I feel like we can ice them out. Okay. Until then.

All right. I like that idea. Are we going full radio silence? Maybe we should do like half radio silence just to like make him even more angry, like to make it like less like make it like more. confusing you know what I mean well it's hard I mean he's probably listening to this right now yeah but like inconsistent how about how about nothing more than a reaction yeah that's good I like that I like that super chat from Shay who says given that black don't crack Q should age better and argue with that I know that's right all right last thing on the defense

BG's first sack. Turned into unblocked this week. Wednesday, we're pushing it up a day since the Eagles play on Saturday. A lot of stuff to talk about, but let's talk about his first sack, which was a fun play. Yeah, I broke down his second sack

in the post game show. And honestly, it was a similar kind of route concept with a similar kind of outcome, like obviously the same outcome, but a similar kind of situation on the back end that helped lead to the sack. He has some very funny color on the second sack in particular.

Okay. That'll be my first. I'm excited for that. Okay, so tune in for that for Wednesday. Basically, the guys to watch here, Quinyan Mitchell and Zach Bonn. And a similar kind of pass-off situation. It's third down and the Eagles are in a coverage

that they always play on third down, not they always, but they play often on third down, which is cover six, where you're going to have quarters coverage to the top and you've got essentially cover two to the bottom. It's not necessarily cover. Essentially what you've got is Quinyon locked up on this receiver

and then you've got Reed Blankenship who's going to have his eyes over on the other side to the most dangerous receiver that comes from the three receiver side. They've left to run this to three receiver sets. So you've got three receivers opposite. Reed Blanketship's going to get eyes over there to get whoever the most dangerous person is coming in his direction. So he's got eyes to pick up this number three receiver.

You can see Quignan Mitchell right away. He's pointing out, hey, my guy is coming into your area. So Bonn is going to pick him up. So now Quinyon falls off. and he becomes essentially a middle of field zone defender so that bond can pay this is just great pattern matching here from the Eagles so picket drops back he's got nowhere to go with the football BG is working the guard as we mentioned earlier and he's able to get home for the sack you see there's just there's nowhere to go here for for Kenny Pickett on this play and then we end up getting the celebration I love that Jane Phillips broke it out yes before he's he's coaxing him into doing it I love it was that was outstanding so and it's that play from Dijian to get the second penalty so BG keeps the sec absolutely yeah it's a great teamer you know what there was actually one other aspect of this so I want to do I'm glad you I'm glad you said that because I have a theory I'm not going to be able to do it all right so here's what I'm going to do

so I thought that take the the holding penalty on Dejean I thought was yeah tickey tack yeah kind of like so you know borderline my theory is the Raiders submitted this to the officiating crew before the game watch out for 33 holding at the top of because the play is like nowhere near done. There's a coach over on the sideline pointing at Dijim, literally like pointing it out and yelling right right over here. And literally he is on the field screaming for a flag to be thrown. Wow, that's a great call.

Literally scream for the flag to be thrown. And then the flag gets thrown out. So I'm like, why is this guy on the opening drive? This is in fact, and he's staring at the you are absolutely right. So they absolutely were like, oh, yeah, we submitted this league. How did you, how could you guys not throw this? and so they throw the flag in the hole so I'm glad you brought that up

that spark my memory there that reminds me of my favorite play from the game which I don't know if you ended up catching on film is when Jordan Davis just like tries to close line the ball carrier whiffs yeah yeah yeah that was awesome

so next time I've been asked by lying through it's great you send like the missed thing and we said yesterday in the post game show and I shared a clip the Cooper Eugene tackle next chance stats says that the Eagles did not miss tackle all see through the entire game yesterday first team first defense in the NFL to not do it I'm not saying I do that I'm not saying they didn't miss any tackles I'm just saying that next gen stats said they didn't miss tackle I was watching a couple

like you could say jihad Campbell maybe missed a tackle on a QB zone read there were a couple play like you have the Jordan Davis like miss clothes line yeah there was one run play where ashton gente I think he picked up like 11 yards and he like ran through a pile I'm like all right well there's got to be a mistackle in there somewhere I have no idea how they do mistackles with next gen usually it's like GPS like a lot of their stuff is very like yes no like it's like GPS like did you hit a certain kind of metric what was the probability like it's very like numbers focused and not somebody grading like whether or not it was a mistackle or not so I'm sure there's something scientific there but but yeah just wanted to get that out there

as well because a lot of people were like how could they have not missed it they didn't miss a tackle what about this play what about that play but I wanted to make sure about that up too on a scale of pressures for bow and like something unimpeachable like uh interceptions where are we putting mistackles on that scale pressures would be zero yeah yeah um so i guess we should go with a scale of one to ten like so i don't have run in the same issue yesterday uh for the post case show um all right with uh the with pressures being a 10 uh wait pressures was a zero pressure pressure oh pressures the zero and interception of the 10 um like a four hmm okay yeah definitely

more on the side because again so next gen for a lot of their metrics they have like a glossary then you could like go in and say and it'll tell you like this is what this is by just going to go i'll go see if i can find it and i'll see actually i can do that right now if it's a next gen stat or if it's just like an NFL pro like i see it on NFL pro stops i like a stop i like a stop i actually i like stop that's a that's a good one maybe like a drop um i don't i mean i i think it's a helpful stat but i don't put two much stock into it because I'll be honest with you I think I'm usually pretty pro receiver with drops it's got to be egregious for me to be like like in the press box we'll all turn

to each other was at a drop and I'm always the one that goes well I mean the defensive back was in good coverage it was you know it was kind of a contested catch I'm usually given the receivers a little bit of credit there and how do you like a shut him down open up job so disappointed I didn't know what long payoff that was perfect I was going to say how to stop drop and roll well I was going a little bit nice come on I was more of a pop lock and drop it guy let's see it I like the pop lock and drop it when I was growing up I think that's on the midnight club soundtrack I'm not mistaken you guys aren't midnight club people we're familiar you're too you're too young for us okay good

game read soundtrack okay I have a question for you okay um because he we know he hates animals do you ever know that's true like pets yeah well it was a pet was a pet question um do you ever do you ever have moments with your dogs where you like are looking at them and you're like we let wild animals live in our house um yes usually when my youngest one rolls and poop and comes in the house it's like why do you live in in this space with me so our dog will eat anything like if it sees poop it's eating poop yep so it's good like and so we have a cat so we have a dog we have a cat we have several fish now okay and the dog wants to get into the cat's litter box the cat wants to eat the fish the dog wants to eat the cat's food the cat wants to eat the dog's food

anytime we go outside of the dog the dog tries to eat other eat other animals poop so we go out back yesterday or no it was two days a Saturday we go out back on Saturday the dog gets into what I think his coyote poop. Ooh. Big like the Awashika? Yeah. He was upset by how the week four game went.

Or no, that was he's on Tampa. Who am I thinking of was in Tampa? Sue Pada. So he used to be in Tampa. When soon he got back, he was so good to see him. Yeah, I agree.

But it comes it running around. I'm chasing the dog trying to get the, and flings it gets all over Francis. Oh, no. And I'm like, why don't we let these wild animals into our lives? Yeah. Yeah.

I haven't, I mean, I've never had my. dog fling poop on me but yeah sometimes you ask yourself those questions your dog get really cooped up in the snow um she doesn't realize how cold the snow makes her yet so she will go like jumping frolicing through the snow and it's like oh look how cute and then she jumps out and she's like her she's like limping and stuff and I got to like pick her up and like clean her paws off and then she can go walk again my dogs don't well my youngest dog likes to sprint around in the snow but

they don't like being out in it and they are just looking at me 24-7 inside right now like what What next? What are we doing? Yeah. Like, you need to entertain me, human. I do feel bad that the walks aren't as long as they normally are. Yeah. It's a tough time of year for the dog walking.

Yeah. Yeah. Duff. I could see you with like a doxen. I could see you enjoying having a dachshund. No, you don't even. Yeah, that doesn't mean anything to me. It's a wiener dog.

Weener dog. No, thanks. I like a dachshund. Don't make that weird. I can see you trying to make it weird. you're going to get this back to the pre-show conversation exactly right you're going to put a top hat and bow tie on that bad boy here's what i'm going to tease if you want to know what that's in reference to we will explain it in the supporters club video that's going to go up for the supporters on the youtube page that's how you get to

find out what that inside joke is in reference to can we do that yeah why not there's no rule saying we can't maybe it'll help the algorithm you never know all right any final thoughts on i'm just putting that film to bed raiders are terrible but that doesn't mean that this win is not important i think this was a really good win for this team and something that they really needed you how many turkeys would you have put a week ago on the eagles i'm just going advancing to the divisional round and how many would you put today because I think that's a I think that is a reasonable barometer for how we feel the team right now I think a week ago even a week and half ago I was pretty

convinced this team is one and done yeah they go to the playoffs they're one and done like 15 turkeys back then yeah yeah maybe 20 okay something right now I don't know like I'm at like 35 maybe maybe even 50 they're gonna have a home game I think I need to see this offense look like it did structurally the last two weeks I'd like to see them repeat that before I feel good about even getting to like 55-60 turkeys before I get that high

And I do think Even though we've all got our eyes on the Bills game I think the commanders First of all it's a division game Yep And this is a it's a professional outfit They're gonna play hard They're gonna be well coached

Yep They're not good Right but it's a little bit It's a little bit different I agree with that Yeah yeah Okay how about you What's your turkey count

I probably wasn't quite as low as you guys um now if we're talking conference championship super bowl yeah that's a different conversation but i would say i was probably at like 40 and now maybe at like 50 maybe okay that's a sizable sizeable jump i just i don't i don't i don't i really for me it was like is this team going to make a run less so than can they just make it to the division round yeah okay good stuff uh slightly different schedule this week with the eagles everything moves forward today because they play on saturday's wednesday's wednesday's thursday all that stuff jamie and rich will be in the saddle tomorrow for the p h a eagle show at two o'clock we're back on wednesday swooper on thursday

that professor on friday if he you know decides to show up unless he's worried about frank kicking his ass oh oh that was a good crack how do you are you like a big cracker oh like a big cracker oh like all the time. Did you ask him that generally? But I heard it when I said it. Yeah. I do cry. And Meg will say like,

oh, you stop doing it. Now Francis does it all the time because I do it all the time. So yeah. In my prime, I could probably get, I would get at least 15 on the,

on the hands. And then you can get, you know, big toes so you can get. Yeah. Yeah. I can't crack my toes as well. One thing I can do is push forward,

you get to push back, and then you get the front, you get the top knuckle. I'm doing them right now top knuckle push it i can put if i put my finger like on my ACL and just literally just hold it there and then just go my put my knee i can click my knee and crack my knee you know it's really good what it feels really good is an ankle crack yes that ankle crack in the morning oh yeah i can just like infinite crack my shoulder i don't know why oh yeah oh i can just do it all that go a little closer to the mic no okay fine

Winsie, can you hear that? Whoa, oh, that's gnarly. Yeah, I don't know what it is. There's no, like, injury that it dates back to him? No, my shoulders were, like, the only thing I didn't injure when I was a kid. My dad dislocated his shoulder and, like, whenever he, like, whenever he has to, like, I just remember growing up, he would, like, go like that sometimes, and he's, oh!

They would, like, really mess it up. So, yeah, maybe it's hereditary. Oh, there you go. I'm glad we got that in. That was a good discussion. All right, that'll do it for this episode of the PHAY Eagles podcast. Check out the Sixers guys who are on right now. And of course, everything coming your way tomorrow.

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