PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles free agency: Is Howie Roseman buying time to re-sign Dallas Goedert? | PHLY EAGLES PODCAST

Episode Date: March 12, 2026

Dallas Goedert’s potential return to the Eagles looms large on the second day of NFL free agency after Howie Roseman pushed back the void date on his contract to Friday. Was it an effort to buy the Eagles some time to agree to terms on a contract extension? Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss all the latest news, rumors, and signings of free agency, Jihaad Campbell’s injury, and much more. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome to the H.O.I. Eagles show. Live from the Xfinity studio. Good thumbnail today, Lindsay. They're presented by Ashley, Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith. And what a little cohesion situation with the clock ticking, a TikTok, Howie. We're both wearing blue. Lindsay's wearing blue, too. And so can you. So can you. How are you doing?

Segi, a Giratutu. whatever that means I do it no I'm flipping the script today how are you doing I'm here I'm fine yeah I'm breathing

that's great yeah I'm glad to hear it I don't ask you how you're doing enough on the show you know what you're goddamn right but you know what outside of the show I ask you how you're doing

probably too much that is also true that is like Jordan like are you okay that is true I hope everybody checked out today's episode of unblock

with Graham good episode of great the group chat and so it was so good and you have to watch to show to find out what it is. But like, yeah, it's like very relatable and very, very good content. So funny.

You got to check that out. Yeah. And there's also new exciting mics with Cooper DeGine and Reed Blankettcher. Now that Reed has kicked us all to the curb. That was a reeds like a, oh, voice crack, Wolf of Wall Street moment. Like, I'm not Blankin leaving. They're still doing the show. Yeah, they weren't blue in that episode.

Speaking of Blue. It was a good episode. Yeah. You guys got to check it out. All right. Lots of talk about. Rick Wollin will be meeting the Philadelphia media in about a half an hour. Hopefully he says something really bombastic and we can tell you about it.

Yeah. But otherwise, we've got a lot of other things to talk about. Let's start with this little nugget about Landon Dickerson, EJ. What do you make of this? Yeah, so this is according to Jeremy Fowler over at ESPN, Landon Dickerson restructured his contract. So he's no longer under contract through 2028. His contract now runs through 2027 and he took a pay cut of about 3.3.3.

million dollars as a result or as well. I think this points to Landon Dickerson's probably in the final stretch of his career. You know, it's something that we talked a lot about earlier in the off season, that the injuries may have taken their toll. Obviously, like, if the fact that, I mean, how old is Landon? 28 years old, I want to say, 27, he'll be 28 next season. The fact that a 27-year-old is making like a, I'm not retiring post on Instagram speaks to the fact that this might be his final year or at least the final stretch of his career. So, yeah, it's a It indicates what we already expected, but still a good move for the Eagles to clear up some cap space. Right.

They open up a little bit of room. And it feels like it's now season to season. Yeah. And it probably also makes it less daunting the idea of him retiring because of the fact that he doesn't have so much money in future years that they would have to account for. So, yeah, again, it points to something that we've talked before about and something that I think Eagles fans are probably coming to grips with. It is going to be interesting when he, when he takes. does retire, how we view his short, like the length of his career relative to the investment. He's been an incredible player for them.

And I remember when they drafted him, this was part of the equation. You know, he was a first round talent who slid into the second round because of injury concerns. I think you probably are always knew that this was going to be a possibility with him. I don't know that, I don't know that they baked in the idea that he might have to retire. It was just more that he might be so banged up that his body would start breaking down and he wouldn't be at that same level. Yeah.

I wonder, do you think it is at the point where this is such a real thing that they are going to be thinking about drafting his replacement this year? I certainly wouldn't rule it out. Yeah, I think the Eagles history would suggest that they would want to find a Landon Dickerson successor this year or, I mean, really, this year you would expect. Because whenever they have impact players at these premium positions, and I think for the Eagles, guard is a premium position. All five spots on the offensive line, you could make an argument that they view them as premium positions. I think that they probably will want to have a successor in place. At least, you know, maybe not, maybe not like a surefire successor.

You're not drafted somebody, you know, in the top. I mean, you could draft somebody in the first round, but I think it's probably more likely you see them use a day two pick on a player that could eventually take over for Landon Dickerson. Yeah, but, I mean, think about it. That's Lane who you want to replace long term. Tyler Steen's going to be a free agent after this year. So you probably want to replace him, and that's Landon.

So that's three spots. you have to be at least three spots. You have to be planning on finding a replacement for it. Yeah, I mean, I've said it before. It wouldn't shock me at all if the Eagles double up on offensive line in the first three rounds of the draft. I mean, it's not only something that we've seen them do before. It's not only something that aligns with what they are typically known for,

prioritizing those positions early in the draft. It's also just something that if you look at the landscape of their roster, it would make sense for them to do it because of how many question marks they have on the interior line. If you told me they had three new starters there next year, It wouldn't shock me, you know, with the way that Cam Juergens played last year. I know that they are bullish on Drew Kendall, but, like, I don't know if we're really penciling Drew Kendall into a starting spot in the next two years.

I think there's a chance for it, but, yeah, I could see them drafting in the first and the second round, offensive lineman. I could see him doing it in the first and the third, for sure. And remember, we did talk about the little theory that some people in the building have that it could be replacing Lennon Dickerson by moving Jurgens to guard and letting Kendall Play Center. Right. In this system, I think that would make some sense.

I think Cam Jurgens would be a little, the fact that Cam Jurgens isn't the biggest guard in a Jeff Stoutland universe where you're running a lot of inside zone, a lot of gap scheme stuff. You feel like he's probably not well equipped to do the Brandon Brooks or, you know, Landon Dickerson-type job, you know, those types of things. But with a wide zone system, you know,

Sean Manny is going to prioritize movement skills. Howie Roseman alluded to as much. I think Cam Jorgans can fit at guard. and yeah, I think that Drew Kendall, you know, being the NFL pedigree, being a career center, can handle the calls a little bit better as well. So, yeah, I think there's going to be movement along the interior line. It's crazy to think because they had like a historic run game. You know, we were talking about this historic run game a year ago today, probably.

Well, we weren't, but you know, you guys probably were. And yeah, I think that there's going to have to be a lot of turnover there in the next 12 to 20 moments. And a year later, everybody in the Eagles is blaming that run game coordinator for every. that went wrong with the team last year. I think there's more to it than that, but yes. It's a fast-moving league. Okay. The other little bit of contract minutiae that's going on is the Dallas-Goddard window that I believe

Jeff McLean first reported was moved. What, is that right? No, it was definitely Zach Berman? Oh, was it? Yes. Oh, that is right. That's right. He didn't show up on the waiver wire.

I thought you did that on purpose. That's why I laughed. No, though I was going to say. Shout out to Zach. I was going to say the Lyndon Dickerson stem cell thing has first reported on PHOI. Yes.

Yes. Shout out to Zach Berman for that scoop. Yeah, but shout out to Zach for the for the Dow scattered scoop. That was good work by Zach. Yes. That's a great Zach's scoop. All jokes decide about Zach on the show. We have to respect.

I don't know who you're talking about, but that scoop is very good. Yes, he's a very good report. Yes, move the window. Well, what has, what is interesting is that this has happened at least twice this week. You saw Zach report that? and then you see the national reporters report the window thing.

You also saw Jimmy Kemski do the thing about the Jair Alexander trade. And then today Adam Schafter reports. So it's like, okay, you guys don't have enough? You got to take our crumbs too? I mean, Jimmy and Zach are very late stage capitalism. It's like, you know, these billionaires can't let the local reporters have anything. I mean, and it's good hustle from those guys. So I agree with you.

You got to give proper credit where it's still. Anyway. Yeah. What do you think is going on with this Goddard situation? Yeah, so they pushed the void date to his contract two days back. So it's on Friday now. It was originally supposed to be at the start of the new league year on Wednesday. What that does is it gives them more time to work out an extension with Dallas Goddard without having to incur.

What is this significant dead cap hit? I know that they can offset some of it with the post June 1, but it's $20 million, no matter how you square it. It's either going to be over two years or one year. and signing Dallas got her to an extension would help them well they would avoid that cap hit if they were able to to extend him so there's financial repercussions on either side of it if you're losing him or if you're extending him I think it's just going to come down to the number we have breaking news about the eagles oh man it's brayden man Raiden Man is signing a four-year, $14 million extension, according to Adam Schaefter, including $7 million guaranteed.

Wow. All right, let me pull up the punter. The punter numbers here. I'm surprised at how he... That's a lot. I'm surprised how he spent a punter. I wonder if that comes with the corresponding Jake Elliott pay cut since they have the same agent.

Maybe. How much guaranteed? Seven million guaranteed. Seven million guaranteed. And what's his average price? per year again? I mean, it's three and a half per year. Okay. I mean, that puts him, you know, the top, right outside of the top five or tied

for the top five in terms of average annual value at punter. Really? Yeah. Ryan Wright is at, oh no, you said three and a half, right? Yeah. Ryan Wright is at three and a half, and he is the fifth highest paid punter, according to over the guy. I'm surprised by that a little bit. I mean, he was, he was very good last year, as our friends at Puntailletics told us. He was good.

Yeah. Not very good. I mean, no, I think Puntailletics would say he was above average. I can read you the scouting report from puntilletics if you'd like. Please. Although, hold on,

hold on, let me find it. Braden Man. Friends of the show. Wow. Braiden Man started the year super strong, but fell off midway through.

A league average punter, but I imagine for Howie, that's plenty good enough. All right. I mean, it was going to cost to bring him back. I'm sure he had options. Did he?

I mean, lots of other guys already got paid. I'm sure he had options. Okay. I'm a little surprised by that. I think it's fair to be surprised. I'm more surprised that they invested in punter. I could have seen them saying, you know, with how much cap in flexibility they have,

I could have seen them say it's time to turn over at that position and keep it low cost. But no, I mean, if you were going to invest in punter, I think Bradenman made sense. You keep the operation together. You keep an above league average punter. I think it makes sense. Okay, interesting. It means how he's put the roach down. You think so?

Or maybe he didn't, maybe. I was going to sign a guy, but then I got high. I was going to trade for John Grenard, but then I got high. I got a miss call from Braden Man, and I know why. Ooh, because I got high Because I got high And because I got high I was disappointed that you didn't know

If I knew that song Well, you're so young I can't confirm That the Eagles of Reissigned Braden Man It's semantics, but I can confirm Semantics I mean, listen, I'm not Man, semantics

Okay, I thought you're getting after me For saying semantics, I was like, yeah I'm just pointing out the pun Just trying to do some reporting here Braden Man, what a scoop! It wasn't a scoop. I'm just, you know, confirming the reports that are out there. Wow.

All right. Breaking news. Fantastic. Right in the middle of the show, we love that. Get the Braden Man bomb. Do you think we would have done an emergency pod for Braden Man? Yeah, we would have. I guess we would have had to.

The emergency pods are fun. I mean, I think the chat, the chat loves them. We love them. I don't know if our families are always a huge fan of them, but it's, yeah, it's energy. I enjoy it. I enjoy it. So, yeah, we would have done one. All right, we're going to take a quick break, settle down.

Yeah, we got to, we got to collect our thoughts here. People batting down the hatches to want to talk about Braden Man. We'll continue discussing the Dallas Goddard tight end situation and everything else that's going on here with the Philadelphia Eagles. Stay with us. Do you have people in your life who, like, any time you hear about something, anything it is, they're thinking that's an opportunity to go make some money. Well, in your life, Air DNA is here to help you take advantage of the world.

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I do not know who Olivia Dina's What? Olivia Dene is having such a moment right now She's the Come Be the Man I Need guy Or girl She's the singer that you've heard Come Be the Man I Need That's like a song

No he definitely has not heard that song It's like the song of the year so far I would say It's a very popular song Olivia Dine's great You would actually like her music I think I believe you Like, man I need, like, I've heard it a lot. I don't need to listen to it like in the car, but she's got some really good songs.

Can I play like five seconds of it? Yeah, sure. We don't get. Although you don't want to get copyright struck. Yeah. Five seconds. You've heard the song. There's no way he hasn't heard this song.

100% he's not heard of the song. I like would bet my life on it. Wow. That he says she was bet her life that I haven't heard this song. Never heard it. Now that's not the part that you heard. Sing the song. Sing the part for him that he would know.

No, we can't sing it. We'll get copyright struck. Well, where should I? Don't give yourself that much credit. No, that's not the right. Wow. No, I'm not saying it. I'm not saying it.

Jamie wants me to sing it. I'm just, I said to you guys before the show. I'm not a performer like that. He thinks he's got a good British accent. I do. But he's scared to whip it out. I don't just have a good British accent.

I have, yeah, I have, whoa. I don't just have a good British accent. I can like do the different parts of England. Like, I can do like the Jordy accent.

Which one is which? Yeah. I mean, different, I got different clubs in my back too. Yeah, no, but I can pick it out. Like, I know how the Birmingham people, the good people of Birmingham speak. Shout out of the Aspenvilla. Peaky blinders, right?

Yeah, yeah. They like, that's the ones you like can't understand what they're saying at all. They like have a little bit more like they like really emphasize the vowels. You have some example. There's some that they talk like pirates almost like the Newcastle area. Yeah. What's the pirate's favorite letter? Ar.

That's what you think, but it's actually the sea. That was good. That was pretty good. Among the dad jokes you've told, that's probably one of my favorite ones. Every good way it hits every time. I'm annoyed at how funny I found that now. We got Braden Mann news to discuss. What more do we need to say about Braden Man?

I mean, he was a good punter last year, I thought. Yeah, I think it's fine. The Eagles were in the punter wilderness for a few years. I think it's nice that they can settle this. Although I don't know that there is necessarily... a surety that you will continue to be this good. I was going to say four years is a long-term deal. I'm sure that it's not guaranteed for it.

It sounds like it's a two-year guarantee. Two year with an offer. Yeah, seven million guaranteed. Totally fine. I'm not going to ask you what this means for Dallas got a contract. Let's talk to that. But I do think that, you know, the fact that the Dickerson contract restructuring frees up some space, I think they have, I think the equals have a couple more moves.

And I think the one that is the most on my radar right now is at tight end. because now they have a deadline for this Dallas Goddard extension if they are going to do it. And, you know, I would say, I would probably go so far as saying that Goddard's market hasn't quite materialized the way that some would have expected. And I think that it's fair to read this. Well, he's not technically a free agent yet. Well, no, but, okay, so what I would say is that it's fair to read this, the timing of them extending the void years as optimism that they're closer to an extension.

Sure. Yeah. You're right. Yeah, so, but I do think if he, like, we can be real here. He probably has a good sense of what his market is if they weren't extending this. Because I think it's important to know that them extending this voidier thing past the new, the new league year means that they won't get a compic if he assigned somewhere else. So they're taking that risk to buy more time to negotiate this extension, which I think speaks to the idea that they weren't going to get a con pick anyway. Sure.

Yeah, because of the June 1 thing, right? Right. Yeah. I think that this is probably the Eagles have told him what their number is. Yeah. And they're giving him time to see if he can beat it. Right.

Yeah. And I think the only way you do that is if you feel at least okay about the chances. And this is the next thing I wanted to get to here is, I mean, David and Joku would be a good off ramp if Dallas got her signs elsewhere. Outside of him.

Yeah. The options are, the options have really dried up at tight end, at least in free agency. You can make a trade. but look at the list here. I mean, Dallas got it is at the top of it for me. David and Joku's number two.

After that, it's Jonu Smith, Derek Waller. I can't believe you find a picture of David and Jokke with his shirt on. I thought about using one, but I don't want to get flagged for nudity, like a shirtless one. We get flagged for that? I don't know.

Don't want to risk it. You never know. I got to be careful. It's not. Should I put like, Joku on unblock today? Maybe I should have put like little emojis over. Smart.

You know, that's good. Next time. Yeah. If we sign him, I'll have to be doing it all the time. Sean's right. People like the video, please. Come on. What are we doing?

Okay. We appreciate it when you like the video. But yeah, I mean, you're absolutely right. There are two starting tight ends left. Right. That's it. And the Eagles need a starting tight end. And it's not the type of draft.

It's a good tight end draft, but not the type of draft you want to go into needing a starter. It's like you can find twos and threes. You can find combo guys, but you're not going to find, I mean, it's like, it's silly to even say you're not going to find a Dallas Goddard. You're not going to find like a top half of the league starter if you will, unless you get Kenyon, Kenyon Saddik is probably the only one that you could say, okay, that guy is going to step in day one and be a competent, solid number one tight end in the room. Do you think, like a Michael Mayer trade is the thing? Yeah, I think that there's like, that's, you know, the plan B or plan C is a Michael Mayer trade. And I like Michael Mayer.

I don't know if I would say I'd feel amazing about him as the top of my tight end room. You know what I mean? Like, as an option, I think he makes more sense. I agree with you. I think what I would say is... I mean, it doesn't matter if it's Goddart, Njoku, may, or anybody else. They still need to draft a tight end.

How many turkeys would you put on it being one of Goddard or Injoku as their tight end won by the end of next week, let's say? Let's say by the draft. I'll give you as much time as you need. 80 turkeys. Yeah. I was going to say like 85. Yeah.

I just don't know what other lever you pull there if you don't get it. I think if you don't sign either one, then you're basically bailing. And then at that point, I'd rather have Dallas Goddard. I know in Jokou, like, is a fun player. I would rather have Dallas Goddard. Yeah, I think Dallas Goddard has a higher ceiling. I don't know if I would say ceiling. I would rather have Dallas Goddard.

It's less projection. And, I mean, he's been a good player for them. And especially with the uncertainty around A.J. Brown, I'd rather have a player that I know Jalen Hertz trusts. A player that Jalen Hertz often leans on, like during, like, hockey parts of games and seasons. Yeah, I just, I think it's starting to make more sense for both of them that he would come back. I mean, of course, we've got the Michael Mayer and John Mayer connections going on. Yeah, somebody reached out to me about how they don't like how you talk about John Mayer.

I wish I remember who it was. And shout out to them. I apologize for not remembering. Yeah, just because I only just recite his one quote. Yeah, they were like, you know, oh, you know what they said about you? They said you sound like the deadheads that like hate John Mayer because he like doesn't belong in the Grateful Dead. Who was it? What were you talking about?

No. I actually thought it was a good point. Oh, you thought that was a good point. Now the problem is if I look up Mayer in my in my Instagram chat, like look how many people I've talked about John Mayer with. I mean, we're talking like 25. Why? Because like I'm in the guitar community and we talk about like mayor. tone or this mayor pedal or this mayor guitar community yeah wow guitar community on instagram's great

there's a but honestly the sicko community on instagram nothing like it i mean every time i post a story i know like i'm going to get a couple sickos asking me questions we're going to start chatting and my wife is like why are you on instagram chat so much like we're supposed to be watching love is blind so shout to you guys i appreciate it you you listening okay david and joku is tight-end napalm. This is what I mean. This is what they don't appreciate. This is outrageous.

I'm not denigrating him as a musician. I'm just bringing up a funny thing he said. The Flyer says Jack White over John there. At a point in my life, I would have agreed with that, but I'm not there anymore. Yeah, I mean, it's a good guitar player. I like Jack White. What's the poll here?

Should the Eagles keep Dallas got it or sign a free agent tight end? Ooh. So far. Is that 100%? Yeah. Early, it's early, uh, results, but so far overwhelming. I just think it's making, it's starting to make too much sense. I mean, I don't know what his number is.

28 votes. That's 28 people. That's not nothing. It's not nothing. It's not nothing. Okay. How many turkeys are you putting on Dallas got it alone being the Eagles tight end next season? Being back with the Eagles, let's just say.

68. I'll go 70. I'll be the high man here. All right. We'll split the difference in college 69. No. We're not going to do that. I stayed away from it on purpose.

Yeah, so did I. You went and then you went the other way. No, I also stayed away from it on purpose. Wow. Bass over guitar. You know what? A great bass player. Like Matt Wong.

A great bass player. Like Matt Wong. Yeah, okay. Great bass player, I think, could exceed a great guitar player. Ooh. I actually might be on board with that take. you ever dance with the bass. Yeah, but the thing about bass is like,

please don't make this weird. I feel like you're going to find a way to make this weird. The thing about like... Here's the thing. You always say that and then you say something incredibly weird. No, I don't think I'm going to say anything weird. The thing about bass is like the barrier of entry is a lot easier. Like you could just play root notes.

Root notes the whole time. And it's like you're helping. But it's, yeah, you can learn that in like probably a month or two. like to play like really high level bass it takes years to perfect but when you hear a really high level bass player it really is the foundation of the song and it makes the song so much more interesting

now guitar players can also do that but you kind of it's like you're it's expected you know like if you're playing lead guitar like that takes skill but it doesn't take like you know years like it doesn't take like a lifetime of practice to be a good lead guitar player because I would consider myself a good lead guitar player but like I don't think

I could play bass to find a way to like serve the song as a creative bass player. Yeah, there's, there's some real technique there. I used to have a similar take about like baseball players versus hockey players where like much more difficult to get to competent in hockey. But the difference between a great hockey player and a medium hockey player is smaller than the difference between a great baseball player and a medium baseball player. I think that's, yeah. I don't know if I still believe that, but I think I agree.

to have that strongly held opinion. Yeah. Speaking of the different sports, did you see the thing? You probably didn't. That was going around social media yesterday where it was like pick one. It was like the different post seasons.

And one was like the Masters and like the NHL playoffs. Right. You saw this? No. MLB playoffs and there was, I think it was, yeah, the Masters and whatever,

it's bad podcasting for me to try to recount them. It was Masters, NHL playoffs and MLB playoffs for sure on one side. And then it was like NBA playoffs, NFL playoffs and the World Cup on the right side. And there were two, there were other ones on both sides,

but like, it was like really controversial. And like, it was like very much like, I mean, the event diagram definitely knew what it was doing talking to like different sides of the country.

That sounds like bot feed. Yeah, it was. Like, yeah. It's like once you put the World Cup in it, it's like, what are we doing? Okay. These people won't know what I'm talking about.

Oh yeah, college football. Playoff was on the other side. I didn't engage with it. I just mentioned it. You know, it was very controversial. It was. It was controversial.

Obviously, it was. Imaginary people. No, no, no, no. It was controversial to like actual people, too. It made it into the group chat. My group chat. That doesn't involve any NFL coaches that I wouldn't, I would be afraid of seeing my text.

All right. Anything else on tight end? No, I just think. Are you surprised they've let it sit this long? I'm not surprised they've, let it sit this long because I think Dallas Goddard coming back was always going to be one of the

more favorable outcomes because of the cap hit. So therefore I'm not surprised that they have they've used all the time that they have available to them. But at this point, I think their options would lead me to thinking that he's back.

And if he's gone, I think Injoku is like clear number two. I think that's right. Yeah. All right. Let's take a break. On the other side, we want to talk about this Jihad Campbell News. Very interesting nugget from Vic Fangio. We're going to talk about the edge options. Bradley Chub is off the board,

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situation with the Vikings and have engaged his agent and talks about a potential extension. Bradley Chubb, who we talked about as an easy option for the Eagles given his Vic Fangio background and the fact that he won't count against the compact formula. He is off the board after signing a big deal with the bills that went for, I think, more

than we were expecting. Yeah, I'm looking up the terms out. It was three years, 43.5 million with 29 guaranteed, so you can do the math on that or what do you think here? On Grenard? Is that, do you think that is Howie's top option? There's also an unverified report out there

that Josh Schwett has requested a trade from the Cardinals. Joshua would be fun. I do kind of feel like Josh Schwett's time in Philadelphia kind of ran its course, like in a way where maybe you don't want to revisit it. I think it's like leave it on a happy note. Yeah, and I've also, speaking of another former Eagles past rusher,

Hassan Reddick is also somebody that I've discussed with Anthony a couple of times. I'm not sure Hassan is like a scheme fit for Vic Fanchu anymore. I agree with that. I like Jonathan Grenard, though. I'm not sure what the cost is on the trade and then the extension. I think that that is, that's going to be the determining factor on it. Because to me, it's a no-brainer in terms of fit. He feels like the Eagles would be like buying the dip on Jonathan Grenard.

He had double-digit sacks each of the last two seasons going into last year. And I think for that reason, I could see him really fit. getting well into Vic Fangio system and being a productive pass rusher for them. But if you're telling me it's like a second round pick or a third round pick, I have a little bit of hesitation with that. A third. Thinking a third. A third and then you have to pay him.

I'd be okay with it. If I were the Eagles, I would try to make it a future third and basically just look at it like the Jalen Phillips comp pick is going to cancel out the third that you trade to pay Jonathan Gernard. It's tricky, but I like him as a player enough where I think it makes. make sense. I think I would I think I would be okay with Gernard. Yeah for a third. Yeah, I think this year's third. I think I would probably be okay with that. I would rather do next year's. Yeah,

yeah, I hope it's the yeah. I think it's the compic cancellation that you go for there. And if it's not that and if it's not a really cheap price for Max Crosby, I think I'm fine with Eponessa or Ebiketti. You've signed one of those guys. Yeah. And then you and then you see where the draft lands you. Bring BG back. Then if not, you do the same thing you did last year and you're back in the market for Grenard or whoever else

and you're willing to trade a mid-round pick. Yeah, I think that's the right reading on this. If you're not going to get a premier, a guy that you feel like is 1A with Nolan Smith or Jalix Hunt in an ideal world, then I think at that point you probably do just try and fill out the room.

And I think under previous defensive courts, that would be more of a red flag. Like if Jim Schwartz were still here, it'd be like, yikes. Like you really would have liked to have more, you would have liked to have had more firepower at that position. With Vic Fangio, he's like so edge rusher apathetic that I'm like, I think they could probably get by. I think they need more than what they have right now.

But if they didn't get a one, you know, true top of the depth depth chart edge rusher, I'd feel okay about it because of the fact that Vic doesn't rotate those guys as much and doesn't seem as reliance on pass rush productivity from those guys. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. I don't know. But I think Grenard might just be the type of player where it's like you can get them for a third, you pay him and you feel like you just got a difference-making player in a deal that you can stomach.

Yeah, and how you think you think it's a good deal. You are paying undermarket value for a player of that quality. Yeah. Really enjoyed the P.H.O.I. Eagles accounts commentary on the Grimms. The Grinard speculation yesterday. It wasn't me, though. I need everyone to know. That wasn't a...

If you're going to trade for a guy, he's got green in his name, that it does make sense. That wasn't what the post said. Oh, is that why you're wearing blue? No. I have no idea what you're talking about. Okay. I know what I'm talking about.

Lindsay knows what I'm talking about. Lindsay knows what time it is. She doesn't... doesn't get that joke. So by the way, there's a funny chat message, but we do got to give a shout out to the breaking news that occurred in the chat yesterday with. Yeah, the riot.

Yeah, that was awesome. The Nick Cross matching with someone in Raya in D.C. And then like 10 minutes later, it's announced that he's going to the commander. That's why you have to watch. That's why you got our ears on the ear to the ground. We got that. We got who was it who sat next to?

someone's mom at a game. Oh, right. Oh, man. Jonah Williams? Yeah, no, it was Epinessa. Oh, it was Epinessa? Okay. He sat next to Epinessa.

And then there was another one. All kinds of great connections going on. Yeah. I'm in the sick out community right now. Love that. We have not discussed Jahad Campbell yet. Let's talk about it. So Vic Fangio talked to NBC Sports Philadelphia yesterday.

I think it was at a Dick Vermil Hall of Fame banquet ceremony. Something, it's something honor in Dick Vermil. And Vic Fangio said that Jehad Campbell's going to miss. most of the off-season program with a shoulder injury. I mean. Should be backed by training camp, but it's going to be out for a few months. The Jahad Campbell News is very interesting. Yeah.

Definitely the funniest part about this is that the first time Vicks on a hot mic, he's just giving out information. That's what he does. It's so funny. Like, hey, Vic, what do you remember about Dick Vermil? Jihad Campbell's going to be out until September. And that's, you know, it's a lot of time. That's a lot of time. He said he should be back by camp.

Practice is important. Yeah. So he's going to miss a lot of reps in the in OTAs, which is significant. But I think as long as he's backed by training camp, you feel okay about it. But that is like a Vic thing. I mean,

and rightfully so. He's earned the benefit of the doubt with that. He really values every rep you can get for these guys because he doesn't think that they spend enough time out on the field as it is. And what do you remember about, you know, going up against Dick Vermeel for all those years?

Well, Howie should have been messed up with Jill and Phillips. He really screwed that. No, he didn't say that. He said that he, Jaylon Phillips is a good player and he said, you know, you could tell by how much money Carolina just paid him. He said, we tried to get him back, but it was too expensive,

which is what we have been saying on the show. I know. It's just funny, Vic. So this Camo thing, do you think that the Eagles will approach this as, let's just give Jeremiah Trado Jr. and Smile Mondin those offseason reps, or do you think they're going to sign somebody of a

two, three million dollar level in free agency who can potentially start if need be? I would probably, feel comfortable giving those reps to Jeremiah Trotter Jr. and Smile Mondin. Maybe you feel like you need a veteran player to be the backup behind Jihad Campbell if he's injured or if he starts to struggle. But I think that Jeremiah Trotter Jr. especially is kind of turning into that player already. He obviously doesn't have a lot of experience playing, but he's been around the team for a while, has played okay when he's been, you know, called upon. So to me, I'd rather

give those guys the reps if you feel confident that one of them is going to be your backup. at either position. I wouldn't shock me to see them sign someone that's like, I mean, Nicholas Marrow's not the right example. Oh, I mean,

Orrin Berks is your example. That's right. You know, your competent veteran linebacker that can just fill, fill a spot behind one of your starters. I think that the kind of level of player that you would sign to fill that role

is the kind of player who will still be available in the summer. Right. Yeah. Yep. Agree. So they may add, they may add somebody just because They've got a good grade on him

and he's still available in a week or whatever But I don't think that this is going to be a priority for them Yeah I've seen CDP say Devin White you're ringing in the chat Just made me laugh about how often CDP puts in funny chats And so like shout out So this is a tangent I apologize Dean Davis Gather

There's a name for you Okay Where did he play last year? Arizona Okay He's released so it doesn't count I'm trying to think like Who would have connections to the staff

In a way that would be meaningful Anyway, go ahead. Anyway, tangent. Shout out to CDP and shout out to Pat Fienis. My wife was telling me that she was talking to my mother-in-law and she said something about like the chat. Because like shout to my in-laws. They watch every show. I'm like self-conscious about the fact they watch every show.

I'm like, they're probably sick of hearing me talk by the time I come over and hang out with them. I know. That's true. Makes three of us, you know. But my wife was like, My wife was saying that my mother-in-law is like shouting out, like mentioning like the sickos in the chat that she like notices a lot and she mentioned Pat Fienis.

So shout out to Pat Fieness and CDP. My mother-in-law's a big fan of your work. Wow. I mean, that's cool, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's very funny. That's my tangent.

Okay. Shout out Carla. Shout out Don. We got to keep. keep them under wraps. They can't know who he is. Got an alias. Ooh. Oh, does he have a, like a different name he uses in the chat? He does, I think. Yeah. Oh. Well, now the chat's got to get on it and try to suss out who it is.

Yeah. I mean, but he's, he's a clever guy. You're not going to just, you're not just going to suss him out. Going to take some work. I'm sure that they're going to be all over it. Cousin Grace is going to figure it out in like six minutes. Okay. Let's take our last break. We'll come back. We've got much more to discuss what's going on with Rick Wullen as he's at the podium. He's got his introductory.

How's he looking? What kind of fits he got? He didn't go full suit like Jordan Davis. A little bit more casual, you know, like a collared shirt over a white t-shirt. Honestly, this is like my kind of, my thing, like a collared jacket with the white t-shirt. He's got some chains on, though. So, I mean, he looks, he looks presentable. I have two specific fit memories of new free agent signings.

AJ is one of them, isn't it? AJ is not one of them. Wow, okay. One of them was Malik Jackson wore his high school letterman's jacket. Oh, that's very nice. Which I liked. Yeah. The other was, I believe it was when they re-signed Deshawn, when they got Deshaun back.

He put on a button-down shirt that was clearly just unfolded brand new. And they saw all the lines. Like the big square lines and across. Yeah. Those are my two Eagles fit. I mean, AJ had on a very nice suit when he was unveiled. I was not a free agent sign, but still introductory press conference. That's the only one that stands out.

I mean, Jordan Davis' suit yesterday is going to be at the top of the list for like, you know, big offseason moment press conferences. I feel like Landon Dickerson probably wore like whatever he was wearing in the facility that day for his extension press conference. I can't remember what my lot of wore. so it's probably something similar. Milata. Jordan Milata. That's pretty good. I got one.

I told you. He only did British, but it'll do that. It'll happen eventually. Stay with us to find out if it happens after this. Callie Ho. As you guys know, I have a long commute, and I cannot tell you how many times I'll be on my way home and I'll realize I haven't eaten.

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wins, you win too. It's live TV your way. Learn more at sling.com slash underdog. No purchase required. To learn more and see full rules again, visit sling.com slash underdog. Welcome back to the P.HL. Y Eagles podcast. Well, Wolf and E.J. Smith. Lindsay just told us it's snowing outside. My wife is texting me like furious about the weather right now. Like we had the windows open. The old ball and chain. No, not like, no. That's not what I said. But yeah, just very unhappy that we thought about having a bonfire last night. We had the windows open and now it's snowing. What the hell?

That's why I didn't buy it. Full spring. Yeah, yeah. I'll give me credit. It's going to be cold for like another month. I think we need to, let's get serious. We've all lived here for a while. We know how it is.

What a bummer. That's snowing? Yes. It was freezing rain when I walked in. I think that's worse. Anything you're seeing on the wreak woolen front. I haven't seen many quotes yet. Just the pictures.

Okay, we got, he says sometimes on the, he said he wants to improve the mental part of his game. This is according to Brandon Lee Gowton. He says, sometimes I can get out of control a little bit. But I think your read on this is correct. I think Nick Siriani is going to love that. Yeah, but they're going to need to, they're going to need to just squeeze it in a little bit.

Ben, our social media man, sends this quote along. Shout out Ben. About what stood out about the Eagles defense. Just the players on it. You got Q. Ya'a Kup. And with me being able to join those guys, I know we'll be able to play different types of looks. And I feel like that was kind of the same way in Seattle.

I'm very excited to talk to the professor about how he thinks Vig Fangio will deploy Rik and Quignan. Is it going to be Quinyan field side, Quinean Boundary side? I genuinely don't even want to guess because I feel like I have a 50% chance. I still think I'm going to get it wrong. I have less than a 50% chance I mean it could be they switch matchup dependent sure yeah

what would you like to see them do I feel like recholin would probably be better on the boundary side right I think I would rather just look you follow I feel like if you're getting requal and do you really want cue to follow like you feel okay about both of those guys

yeah but you feel better about the other guy I don't know I can be wrong. Yeah, I think if the professor is out there, he's not watching right now. He's probably busy. And he's on vacation. Oh, right.

Yucatan. We're never, we're never going to find out. I think my... He will listen to this eventually. Yeah, eventually, but not in this moment. I'm going to guess Rieke Will and on the boundary side. I'm making... It's March 12th, 248.

That's my guess. Okay. Congratulations. What's your guess? I think they're both on the field. high percentage chance on that one. The other position that we haven't talked about today, we've talked about plenty this week, is safety.

And this is one where there are, unlike tight end, there are still some options out there. Yeah. Do you think they will continue to play the waiting game, or do you think how he is hoping to pounce on somebody here? Or is he going to just punt until, you know, a month from now? Yeah, I mean, I could definitely see them going low cost at that position, especially because they spent so heavily,

but they spent more than we would have expected at corner with Rieke Wollen. I think Jaquan Brisker is an interesting name though. I mean, I could see Jaquan Brisker getting similar money to Reed Blankenship and I could see the Eagles saying we weren't willing to pay that for Reed, but Jaquan Bristker gives us something different

in the secondary and we think that there's value there in that player. So I could see it. I think he's a good compliment to Andrew McCuba. I think the fact that Maccuba is a little bit smaller, still physical, but a smaller player. I think, you know, obviously a little bit more inexperienced and more of a risk taker.

I think pairing him with a veteran like Jaquan Brisker, I would feel good about that pairing. So for that reason, he's somebody that I keep an eye on. But again, I also wouldn't be shocked if they just went cheap at that position with like Marcus Epps and Michael Carter and maybe somebody you draft being like the rotation that you have in training camp and you hope somebody runs away with the job. I know that doesn't sound confidence inspiring, but they're going to have to find low-cost options somewhere.

You know, it's like find your Adori Jackson version at safety next to Dremakuba. And they've also, I mean, they've only signed two guys outside the organization, but they've both been clear connection points. Yeah. Jalen Hawkins from the Patriots, it's not a great player, but that's an easy connection with Mike Pellegrino. You could sort of see that one as a, you know, baseline option and hope that somebody beats him out. I'm like I think I actually honestly I think the the reek woolen personality means you can't do C.J. Probably not going to do C.J. Did you see the thing he commented?

No. I mean, we're not. We're not in Bovertime. I mean, listen, this is what I do. I keep up with the Eagles, you know? You may not know that about me. Just giving me a chance to do a J. Leno voice. That's all.

Oh, I thought you were teasing me for knowing all the things that are happening. Hey, you see, Lisa, about this? And this time, this week especially, I spend more time on social media than I would like, just from the nature of trying to see what's happening. I can't say because we're not in Bovertime, but CJGJ said that he's the side piece for the Eagles, let's say. He used a different word, but we'll keep a PG. Is it a gardening tool? Yes. Oh, okay.

I mean, it's a funny analogy. Yeah. He's not wrong. He's not. No. But, I mean, you could argue for like Nick Siriani, man, I am like so like brainrotted today. I'm going to just keep making social media references. You haven't seen this either.

So I don't know why I'm even bringing it up. There's like this Drusky skit where it's like his work wife and he's like so happy. Like he's just like he's so in love with the work wife and then he gets in the car with his real wife and his kids and he's like so miserable. That's like Nick Siriani with CJ Gardner Johnson. It's like he just loves CJ so much. Every time he's back, it's like, oh, I just miss him. you so much. That's funny.

Lindsay, do we have those photos? Oh, yeah. These are good. This is a treat for the viewers and a reason that you should click over to YouTube if you're going on audio. There's DeJohn. That's exactly as I remember it. That's perfect.

Wait, what year was that? That's fantastic. 20, 2020? 2020. 2020. I was there. Because he caught a touchdown pass from Jalen. It was there.

I should remember that. out. Oh, and there's Malik Jackson with the letterman's jacket. That's very, very cool. I like a letterman jacket. Yeah. Got a letterman jacket. You know, no big deal.

It's no big deal to me. How many years did you play varsity? Like one and a half. It wasn't that great. I was not an amazing football player. I've told you before. My best sport was baseball, but I quit baseball to play football. Did you play any other varsity sports?

No. I could have thrown shot, but I just, to throw a shot, but you had to like run a mile before every practice. Yeah, I ain't doing that. GTFO. I mean, come on. Like, that's not what I'm here for. A mile.

I was literally like, not running. 10 minutes, 10 whole minutes. Like, I'm not doing that. I mean, you got to know your audience. Oh, that one. That's a bad job by the coach. You're going to lose the interest of any good shot putter. Exactly. That's totally right. Like if you're going to be a good shotboarder, you're not going to run a mile every day before practice. Like what are we doing? So now I was out on, I was out on track. And the wrestling coaches wouldn't leave me alone, man. They would not leave me alone. And I'd be like, I'm not doing that either. I'm a germaphobe. No offense to the wrestles out there. But yeah, I couldn't do that. Okay.

It sounds like you played a lot of varsity sports. I did. How many? I had 11 letters Really That's why you're a good athlete I'm gonna what I'm to say I mean you are here you're good So what So baseball?

Basketball did you play basketball? I mean I can play basketball But I did not play basketball in high school Then what did you like play like the preppy sports I did play one very preppy sport Like the most preppy sport you could possibly play Which is what water polo? No

That's a good one now What's more preppy than water polo Golf No Badman Somehow prep beer Squash Squash

Oh How many letters Did you get in squash Four All right So we take those out That's the best I was ever in

Playing squash Yeah Water Polo seems like It's really tough To play too And then soccer Okay Wait

Have we talked about this What position Did you play in soccer It was Utility man Yeah But like Right mid

Mid was probably My Water boy Left bench Right mid stopper. So you were like a defensive right mid? Yeah.

Okay. I'm about to say like you're good at. That was a great goalie. You were a good athlete, but I would. The best goalie in the county as a kid. Yeah. Were you just like an early bloomer? You just dropped up.

Yeah. Yeah. Then it becomes more about size. So that was my problem. I sprouted up and I was a good center and I was a good like playmaking power forward. But then I'm like, I'm not that tall. Like by the time I got to high school, It's like, can you dribble or shoot?

I'm like, no. Like, I can get them rebounds. I can run the high post, but that's about it. But baseballs. Yeah. Being a good baseball player, especially like as like a teenager, is a real testament to athleticism, in my opinion. And hand-eye coordination.

Yeah, and you pitched, which the best players pitch. We got, we got busted shoulders. Yeah, I, I, I, now, do you agree with, I said this on Anthony's show? I think it was clear that just, was dealing with something late in the season last year. Like, I don't know if it's the exact injury, but I think it was pretty clear he had it something.

Well, and they said there's part of the reason he fell in the draft. Well, yeah, absolutely. Right. But I feel like late in the year, I do remember Jahad clearly having some injury he was managing. That's a bummer for him. Yeah. But, like, he'll be ready for camp, you know? Yeah.

I think he'll be, I think he'll probably be fine. Yeah, I just think that's... Vic's not going to be happy about it. I think the reason that Vic says these things is because, like, to him, it's not the end of the world. It's just, it's important to him. But it's like, if it was a huge deal, he probably wouldn't have said it. You know, if it's like, yeah, I mean, he might be out. Actually, you know, Vic probably would have said it.

Like, he might be out until October. He probably would have said that. Okay. That's a good point. I do think that crew is actually prepier. Yeah. I think Squash is more prepared. Shout out to Glenn Oh, Hal.

our resident Olympian sicko. Big pop for the California Eagles crew today. We got a Glenn O'Hall and a Mount Wong. Croquet, is Croquet more preppy than Squash? I feel like squash. There's no such thing as varsity croquet. Squash is preppy because it's like, like you don't even really know what it is if you're not preppy.

Yeah, it's only played by very preppy people. Some of us, man. Yeah, just. But it's a never-man life. Very good workout. Played the regular sports. had cross-sport rivalries with the football team and the cross-country team like hated each other in my high school football and cross-country yeah we hated each other why I don't know just like immature it's like that's an

unfair fight well no like we would always I guess they would just run away from you yeah exactly it always be like you're or no we would say to them your sports are sports warm up like why do you even do this and then they'd be like you guys are all idiots well it sounds like you both got fair points yeah it's like The worst person you know made a good point. Okay. I'm keeping an eye out for reek woolen quotes here. La Crosse is awesome. I mean,

I think lacrosse is... Oh, I think that's transcended preppy. I don't think so. It's just a sport now. No, that's preppy. Yeah. I used to hate lacrosse. Because I was a baseball guy.

Like, the idea that you would choose to play lacrosse over baseball. It's like hated it. I never hated it. Some of my best friends were lacrosse players. Actually, like, one of the friend groups I'm closest with now, They became friends through lacrosse. So I got no, I got no animosity. Ping pong, though.

Now, there's a sport. You're good at ping pong. I'm not. Shout out to Ryan. I saw Rita's Kim is in the chat today. Had a chance to play some ping pong with Ryan. What a good guy. Yeah, he's awesome.

Good kid. Fantastic. Yeah. Soccer player. Probably better than you. Football player. Yeah, both. plays wide receiver and cornerback.

I mean, he's got to have some wheels. He's going to be a striker one day. Something tells me. Why? I just, something tells me. He's got the makeup. Got the right mentality. Why, was he, like, scoring goals in the office?

No, but you can tell, you know, you can get the energy. It's a striker. Goal score. Natural born. Weird take. What do you mean? It's a weird take. I don't think it is.

I think it's fine. I think it's, yeah. All right. I don't know what meat is left on this bone, but whatever it is is going to be clawed at in overtime. How many turkeys on the Eagles make another transaction before midnight tonight? Ooh, I'd put a decent amount on it because we didn't get anything last night. I'd say 65.

Yeah, that's pretty good. Pretty good line. Yeah. I have to go 66. Okay. Yeah. surprised nothing happened last night. Made me wonder if you were back channeling to the Eagles.

I was very grateful to Howie for letting that happen. Yeah, we'll get something. Okay. I mean, the Dallas Gowder thing has to happen in the next 24 hours, 25 hours probably. Otherwise, he's a free agent. And then at that point, yeah, so I guess it could happen tomorrow. Soon is my official answer. There you have it.

What else is on your list? Biggest free agent needs outside of tight end. But we kind of talked about safeties. We talked about Edge. Is there a sneaky one that you have? I would like them to add an offensive lineman. I think a Brandon Cook's type receiver is also one that we've talked about. Yeah, she's out of receiver too.

Yeah. I think you need to draft-proof receiver. If the board falls like it did for them on the offensive line last year, where you're not able to address it as early as you think, yeah. I think receiver is one of them. Rashad White, the Xbox running back. Good chance he's going to be hitting the Raya scene in D.C. Because he's a new commander as well.

And shout out to his agent, somebody. Colin. No, this is, you know, we got to get this right. Sonny Shah. Shout out Sunny. Sunny. Wish Sonny Shah was outside. I just watched the F1 movie

Okay Hearing Sunny made me think Sunny Hayes And then I'm such a like loser Like I watched the F1 movie And I was like okay Like you know I haven't played I haven't turned my PlayStation or I'm like six months I'm gonna try the F1 video game

It's kind of fun Okay sure It's good It's yeah it's fun It's like not like It's not taking over my life The way the football manager has in the past But I've enjoyed it

Slow as smooth smooth as fast What did you think of the move Movie movie movie movie It was a good movie It was a fine movie Like if you like Yeah that's right

Fast Cars You know You like Brad Pitt It was a Sean Siyadh recommendation Shout out to Sean Ooh he does not think highly of you Yeah

I was a little bit disappointed If that's his recommendation to you He does not think much I was a little bit disappointed That that was his recommendation I was like come on You can give me something a little bit Like you know

More out there and he was like I mean it's fast cars and Brad Pitt I mean that's like you asked for a dinner recommendation and he handed you A sleeve of Oreos He told me to go to Applebee's I like Applebyes No free advertising

Yeah We're gonna get to the bottom of that That's great It is what it is I mean the toothpaste is out of the tube on that one Yeah All right well Happy Braden Man Day

To everybody out there I'll never forget where you are When Braden Man re-signed I would like to say that I'll never forget But I mean these shows they are gone so

I'll probably remember that brain and man signed during the show but I remember these shows I'm enjoying these shows they're fun I love doing the shows of course I enjoy it

I just who's got space in their brain for it yeah it's fair what did we do yesterday your your your hard drive is full yeah Lindsay you want to save us

there's nothing to save take me from what I don't know I'm watching Assonville on my laptop at this point. So we should probably get out of here. Okay. Thanks everybody for watching, listening. Comment below.

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