PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Mailbag: With Dallas Goedert back, who’s behind him at tight end?

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

On the day Dallas Goedert agrees to a restructured contract with the Eagles, the PHLY Eagles show opens the mailbag to answer all your questions about the Eagles. Zach Berman and Rich Hofmann will discuss the depth chart behind Dallas Goedert at tight end, the future of the fullback position, Jihaad Campbell’s health, and so much more. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

It's Wednesday. Dallas Goddard's back. Rich Hoffman is here. Welcome to the PHLY Eagles show. I'm Zach Berman. That's Rich Hoffman. We're brought to you by True Mark Financial Credit Union. We thought we were going to have just a typical midweek mailbag, although a mailbag is not typical here on the Ph.L.Y. Eagles show.

We were going to celebrate. It is when we're both here, Zach. Exactly. We were celebrating the final day of Boal Wolf's fraternity leave. And then, and then the Dallas Goddard News happens. So we'll start with that at the top. You can see on our feed, Fran Duffy and I spoke about that on an emergency show. But that was like 10 to 12 minutes.

And we have more time to get into it here. We also have so many questions from the audience that we put together. Some got it related, some roster-related questions, some Jihad Campbell questions, a few Cowboys questions, and some non-football fun that we'll get into. But I'm curious your thoughts. At the start, when this, when this news came down, Dallas got her back for the 2025 season, brought his his salary down from 14.25 million to 10 million. What were your thoughts?

I think my first thought, Zach, is that was this just an offseason story that was meant to get Eagles fans like myself all worked up that was going to be okay at the end of the day, right? because we have no football to talk about, even though we have a loaded roster on this team and really some first world problems, I would term them as, you know, this was just going to turn out this way. But as you've said,

like the Eagles, they made him like roughly available. And they said to Dallas Goddert, like Josh Sweat last year, go see what your market is. And I was a little bit worried that they were going to follow through with that. But ultimately, after all of the hand-wringing from from yours truly in particular,

they settled on the outcome that I wanted, which is Dallas Goddard is back in Philadelphia, and I want him to be the tight end until either he proves that he's not this level of player anymore, or he can't physically do it, or they have like an actual succession plan in place for him. So for the 2025 Philadelphia Eagles, I am pretty happy right now that Dallas Goddard is back on the Josh Sweat plan, taken a little bit of a pay cut for the last year of his contract.

Yeah, Goddard was very much available, and it did not appear that he was coming back. I see in the chat, Peter McCarthy says, Zach, very wrong on Goddard. Peter, I'm going to tell you, like, the prevailing sentiment was that he wasn't going to return, and this was a very real thing. As I outlined, you know, going in the free agency, I said the best, you know, what Howie Roseman should do is float Goddard out there. and see if they can find a trade because I knew the Eagles didn't want to pay him the 14.25 million. And then if they couldn't find a deal to bring him back on the Josh Sweat plan, that's actually documented in that 25-step guide that I did.

And that's essentially what happened here. Now, a few things. The market was not what they thought it was going to be. I don't think this was bluff calling. I see that in the chat. I don't think this was Bluff calling. When Bowes back tomorrow, he might disagree. I think there was motivation to move him,

but there wasn't necessarily the contract offer elsewhere that I think would entice Goddard to go somewhere else. There wasn't the compensation that really compelled the Eagles to push through on it. And the scenario in place here is what you said, the Josh Sweat playing. Now, the difference, of course, is Josh Sweat was going to be 28. Dallas Goddard's going to be 31, right? And so you're less desirable on the market at 31 than at 28. But Dallas Goddard had to take a pay cut to stay. Like that's the reality of this situation.

If this was just an offseason story, Dallas Goddard would be back at the $14.25 million. And so this this was both sides exploring it. But it became pretty clear post-draft because, you know, for instance, Indianapolis was a team that was interested. Denver was a team that was interested. Well, the Colts got Tyler Warren. The Broncos signed Evan Ingram on the open market, right? So it becomes a game of musical chairs, and there wasn't really a seat left that made sense for Goddard

and the best football situation was staying here with the Eagles. I just think, like, however the Eagles were posturing, and however this was working behind the scenes, to me, I care less about that than just the result of bringing him back. And once there was not a high draft pick spent on the tight end position, I just felt like this had to happen. And look, I am sure Dallas Goddard in October is going to go on the four week I are. You know, like I'm sure Grant Calcutera is going to get a bunch of snaps at some point.

And he probably, this meaning Goddard, he's probably going to deal with an injury later in the year as well. But I just go back to Nick Siriani. He always says that the passing game on this team runs through three guys. And he is one of them. He is a good blocker, especially because it felt like their non-stool tight ends last year. We're just not very good at that. That second Washington game is sticking out in my mind. And he just like, Zach, he still has the ability to hit the big play.

And I know these are only two plays, but the Saints play where they ran mesh and they sprung them open. that was like a sneaky huge play in the season and turning it turning it around i know they stunk the next week in tampa but got them a win when they really weren't at their best at the beginning of the year and then the the stiff arm against green bay and what was very much a struggle of a game where he stiff arms valentine 85 times and scores the touchdown like sure i i will take four catches for 49 yards or whatever but i just want that guy on the team until there is a suitable replacement for him. And that is what happened here.

So good for the 2025 Eagles. I also think, too, Zach, it makes a difference, like the team context from the difference between last year and this year where last year, Josh Swett, he struggled down the stretch of the 2023 season. And really, it wasn't just him. It was the entire defensive line. But we didn't think this was an automatic slam dunk Super Bowl contender last year. Whereas I feel really good about this roster right now.

I want to try and maximize this next season because I feel like they have the pieces to compete for another Super Bowl. So that also probably has colored my opinion as well. But yeah, like as far as I am concerned, getting Dallas Gotter back is the best possible solution. He might get hurt. That's fine. But I am feeling much better about this season with Dallas Goddard on the team. Yeah. And to follow up on something you said there.

And that's actually going to lead to our first mailbag question. So Andrew, and we have Andrew producing today. Awesome. Awesome. Have Andrew here. The roster question number five will be the first mailback question. This has to do with Goddard. But I was going to say the delta between Goddard and the number two option, which is Calcutera,

is probably a greater delta in my opinion than any spot on the roster. We'll get to that here. So assuming we keep Godder, this is from Ben K. Ben. Okay, so he saw this coming. Credit to Ben K. Ben. Assuming we keep Goddard, is there a competition for tight end two, or does Calcutera have that locked? Okay. So just to kind of lay this out when you look at the Eagles' depth chart, Calcutera is back as the tight end two, but he has competition here.

The Eagles signed Harrison Bryant. They sign Kyle and Granson. They bring back E.J. Jenkins. They had Cameron Lattu on a futures deal. They have Nick Nuse on a futures deal. They did not add a tight end in the draft. They did not sign an undrafted rookie tight end. So I'll jump in first, and I'm curious your opinion.

Yes, there is competition for that tight end two spot, in particular, from my opinion, from Harrison Bryant. Harrison Bryant, who the Eagles think he's really developed as a blocker since he came in the NFL. That wasn't something that he did much at Florida Atlantic. So he'll kind of push Calcutera, but the Eagles do like Calcutera. Internally, they like the way he's developed. He's going in the year four here.

So I do think he's a frontrunner to be tight end too. But I'm curious your thoughts of this question and also the idea that of all the spots on the roster, maybe left to Acmeo because the Eagles are still trying to figure out their offensive tackle situation. But like the Delta between the starter and the backup might not be greater at any spot. than at tight end. No, I think that's definitely true, Zach, and that's been, that's part of the reason I really wanted Goddard back. Talking about Calcutera in a competition for tight end two feels a lot better because, number one, I mean, we've seen him do it on a really good team last year.

Yeah, I think it'll be Calcutera against Brian. I don't mind Calcutera as the second tight end. You know, he had the play that stands out to me for some reason is that awesome fumble recovery against Washington's Goddard, who actually fumbled the ball. or whatever, Calcutera, Johnny on the spot, hustling to make the play. That's the type of thing I want to remember Calcatera for, right? I know he made some catches during the season. The Eagles won some games when he was the primary tight end.

So, yeah, I think he has the inside track on the job, but it's not like he has it locked down. Yeah, good point there. So the future of the tight end position, though, is very much in play here. or is very much a topic that is worth exploring. This is a 2025 move. This bolsters the Eagles for 2025, no doubt about it. The Eagles don't have a tight end under contract, I believe, beyond this season. I need to check E.J. Jenkins's deal.

Well, you know, the future contracts players might be different. But like, you know, Calcutera is going into a contract year. Obviously, Harrison Bryant, Kylin Granson signed the one-year deals. One-year deals. You have got her going into the final year of his deal. So there isn't a succession plan at tight end. And they need to get on that at some point. Yeah.

And so if they're checking out, Fran Duffy's mock draft, which is on his way too early, though it's never too early, for a 2026 mock draft on all phty.com, be a die hard to read it. You see the, he has the Eagles going tight.

I'm curious to, you know, Kyle Pitts is going to be a, is going to be a free agent next year. At some point, if I keep bringing it up, how he might be tuning in on YouTube. You're like, ah, that's an interesting idea, bring Kyle Pitts home. But we'll see what happens with the future of the tight end spot.

But we don't need to worry about 2026 right now. For 2025, what's clear is the Eagles are a better football team with Dallas God or than without. Real quick, your Pitts love aside, I do think that's a good point, though, because as you and Bo have talked about a lot, there has normally been a succession plan through the draft, right? Where you draft the guy a year or too early. He gets to play with the other tight end for a couple of years. And then he eventually takes over when you know he can handle that responsibility.

That has not happened yet. So they might have to go the free agency route and do something different for that reason. And like you said, nobody's under contract for next year. I mean, they could take a tight end maybe in the first round and hand that over. that position over to that guy next year, but that would be on Eagles like, I would say. So, yeah, they might have to do this differently. It's definitely going to be something to watch here.

I think they were interested in some of the tight ends in this draft, Harold Fannin Jr. in particular, but there was a drop off after that, after Fannie was picked in the third round. It just didn't make sense for the Eagles to go in that direction. Let's stay with kind of the big-bodied offensive players here and go to roster question number one. And this is talk fullback to me.

Do you see it being a role where someone is truly dedicated or half a position like we saw with a practice squad player or Ben Van Sumeran, HBahn style, also powerful football, did it contribute to our team's health last season? And this is from Philly Dan in media. So thank you, Philly Dan, for that contribution. We have a number of questions. I want to say priority on the questions came from the district. Discord. And if you're diehard, you can join our Discord. Also took some questions from Twitter and Blue Sky and the YouTube comments yesterday. So your thoughts here on fullback.

So I know Jeffrey Lurie made some comments recently about resurrecting the fullback position, resurrecting it. First off, Zach, I didn't hear that interview. I believe it was with WIP. didn't the 49ers just make two Super Bowls and two conference championship games while playing Kyle Eustach like a lot of the game with the 21 personnel? So I don't know, resurrecting the fullback position. I don't really know if the Eagles can take credit for that.

As far as what they did last year, I will say, I like the Van Sumer in package because it was different, right? It was something new to look at, but it felt, I don't know, kind of, I don't know the exact right word. word here, maybe gadgety, like inorganic compared to the rest of the offense. It was like, try him out for a few plays on a specific series because we just want to see how this looks instead

of reacting to the defense or really hammering at home. So I don't really think it was a huge part of the offense last year. Maybe that changes, right? As you have mentioned a few times when we've been on, they are listing Van Sumeran as a fullback this year, even though we know he comes from the defensive side of the ball and can play special teams as well. I know Ty Robinson got a couple of fridge type snaps at the goal line at Nebraska as well. So I don't really know. I don't really think the Eagles have shown a ton yet in terms of like resurrecting the fullback position, but maybe that changes this year.

Yeah. So some context here. It was on WIP. It was a good interview. It was with John Ritchie and Joe to camera. But so John Ritchie, a former fullback. And I think, I think Jeffrey was, I don't want to say pandering. I think he was being personable with John Ritchie there.

The Eagles are going to have fullback featured more than they have in the past. I don't think it's, I think it's going to be time to time. I don't think it's going to be a base part of their offense. It is true. They listed Van Sumeran as a fullback. Van Sumeran changed his number for the purpose of, you know, now he doesn't have to report it's eligible. Every time he's out there, he's in the 40s.

But I don't think Jeffrey Lory was giving away grand plans for the Eagles offense at fullback. But Van Sumeran is the player who will be the fullback in the offense, assuming that he makes the 53-man roster. I know there's people excited from the Ty Robinson film. He did it a few times at Nebraska. I would pay attention to Van Sumeran in that. role. As we roll on here, let's knock out. I'm going to make it difficult for Andrew here. You don't have to post all the questions. Let's put all the Jahad Campbell questions into one. So if you want to

put number two on the screen, Andrew, that is the number two question. This is from Patrick T.F. Why does everyone feel that Campbell will be more effective playing Edge instead of stack linebacker? I feel like having Bonn and Campbell as multiple threats to rush or cover will make Fangio's defense a nightmare to scheme against pre-snap. But there were multiple questions here, including from Dr. Dingus, can you provide your understanding of Campbell's potential knee and other shoulder issues that it's been reported? Some teams had concern with. And then also from Jeff Gamber will Campbell's primary role be rushing the passer by mid-season? And there was also a comment there that thought Jihad's weakness on tape was a lack of physical. of Cali taking blocks near the line of scrimmage.

He was clearly, he was, you know, he said perhaps viction to alter the scheme. So Jihad is chasing outside instead of clogging up the middle. So we'll kind of combine all of these into one. I'm curious, first off, your thought about Jihad Campbell's role. And then I'll get into some of the health stuff. Thank you to Doc D. and co. For the questions as well. Yeah, I think.

I don't have the exact number in my head, but it's not like Zach Bonn never lined up on the line of scrimmage last year. It was at least a few times per game. And the Eagles, it gave them a different look with him on the outside, on outside of the edge rusher. And I think Fran from his notes on Campbell, I believe he said Campbell did that 10% of the time at Alabama as well.

So that seems like it's roughly in the same ballpark if you wanted to just, transfer over what his role was at Alabama. I feel like he'd be pretty comfortable doing that as well. I'm completely like I completely understand that where Vic Fangio he loves especially with the the safeties, right, showing the same picture before the snap and then rotating afterwards, right? And and confusing things for the quarterback with what looks like a pretty simple defense at the beginning. That is the general idea of the Fangio defense. But I think he can do that with linebackers as well. If you have two players in Jahad Campbell and Zach Bonn who have interchangeable skill sets where both of those guys, they can play good zone coverage on the backside, which was the best part about

Zach Bonn last year because nobody knew that he could do that as well as he did all the way to the Super Bowl when he got an interception. Jihad Campbell is supposedly pretty good at that as well. That was also in France notes. But he also can rush the passer as well. So the idea that maybe that would be the best spot for him. I understand that. Like in terms of Vic Fangio being able to tinker with different looks and confuse the quarterback. I get that. I think people are just excited about the idea of being an edge rusher because that's a more premium position, right? If you have somebody who can sack the quarterback 12 to 15 times a year, that is somebody who can just wreck games for you in a way that I guess Zach Bonn was a little bit of a game wrecker in his own way. But in the more traditional way that

we know in Philadelphia. And it just provides an element of versatility to Jihad Campbell as well. So that's where I think that excitement comes from. But the idea that he's playing with Zach Bond most of this year like Micah Parsons was at the beginning of his career in Dallas and just confusing the hell out of quarterbacks, that's exciting too. And the idea that that might be the best way to use him, at least initially, I think that very well could be the case. Yeah, I mean, I do think you're going to see him on the edge a decent amount. Now, I don't think that's going to be his primary role, as I've said with you on previous shows, I said with Fran, and I said with Jamie, that to me, like the indicator is what's

he doing on third and eight, right? Is he running backwards or is he running forwards? And I think on third and eight, he'll be going toward the quarterback more than a typical off off ball linebacker would be. I also think the Eagles wouldn't have been as aggressive trying to trade. up if they didn't see the past rushing upside. Now, I think that too often, and how we said, don't put them in the box. And I think, you know, for those who've made fun of me about the positionless label in the past,

I think it's, it's, or the positionless craze that I had. The premise of it is this is, like, I think too often we try to fit players within the confines of, of, of, like, I don't want to say antiquated positions, but, but with, you know, within like the confines of a position. Whereas if you think about it, and we talk about the Miami Heat, like, you know, put the 11 best defensive players you have on the field

and they can do different things. So Cooper the Gene can do different things in the secondary. Zach Bond, Jahad Campbell can do different things, you know, at linebacker. And so if you don't need to sub in a specialist, if you have a player who can cover, a tight end, who can stuff the run, who can rush around the edge, not just as a blitzer,

but rush around the edge, that is appealing. And that, to me, is what you had, is what a hot Campbell allows you to do. The pass rushing ability creates a different dimension to his game. As far as the injury questions, and Fran put up there, I appreciate Fran watching. I appreciate Fran watching. Fran thanked everyone for coming last night. It was awesome. And I've watched a lot of these players, but just hearing Fran contextualize it was really cool. Thanks for everyone who came out. You know, Fran had had the audience's attention for three plus hours. That is an accomplishment, right?

That is huge. But as Fran said last night, that the questions about the injury were real. And there were teams that either took them off the board or that kind of had them red flagged because of the, shoulder questions. As Albert Breer reported, there were knee questions there. The Eagles feel comfortable. This isn't a long-term thing. So the Eagles are willing to be patient because of that.

And I think, yeah, it is value. I'm similar. Now, Cooper the Gene, the injury was, the injury that affected him in training camp last year was different than the pre-draft one. But part of why Cooper the Gene fell was because he was injured during the pre-draft process. And that affects your pre-draft process.

Landed Dickerson is an example of a player who fell because there were injury questions. It doesn't always work this way. Sydney Jones, it did not work out. But I think the Eagles saw this as a risk being willing to take. And so, yeah, so Dr. D, thank you very much for that question. We answered Jeff Gambers' question. And then as far as Greg Hart, PA, the assistant GM's question, perhaps Vick should alter the scheme so Jihad is chasing outside instead of clogging up the middle.

I think it's important to note Jihad Campbell is a developing player. And he's relatively unrefined. But I think that you see the tools there, you see the competitive toughness there, you know, the intelligence from everything I understand too. I think instincts are going to develop. But I don't think Vic Fangio needs to adjust to Jihad Campbell. I think with just more pass rush snaps, more snaps off ball. Jahad didn't play off ball until he got to Alabama. With more of that, you're going to see,

you're going to see Jehad Campbell become a better player two years from now, four years from now than he is day one. I feel like Vic always tells you guys during training camp and even during the season as well, where when they get a new player, he usually just matter-effectly says, we'll see what he can do and then we'll try and put him in the best position to succeed. and obviously that makes it sound easier than it probably is. But Vic Fangio just had one of the best seasons from a defensive coordinator that I've ever seen

to cap off an amazing career. So I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Also, man, he looked very excited walking into that draft room after the Eagles made that pick on the behind the scenes. Yeah, I would be too if I didn't have to, you know, pay. Oh, I'm sorry, I meant Vic Van Gogh. I was thinking Jehad Campbell. Yeah, Vic Vanjo, you can tell he clearly liked Campbell. And I get it.

You know, he scouts linebackers better than almost anyone, you know, in the NFL. And what he did with Bond is a testament to his eye for the position. He clearly saw something in Jahad Campbell. Speaking about a player who's thrived under Vic Fangio, we are going to discuss after this break, whether Jalen Carter could become the highest paid defensive player. in the NFL. Stay with us. I want to tell everyone about a fun show we have coming up next week. HLY will be hosting a special NFL schedule release, extra show presented by our friends at Philly Sports Trips on Wednesday, May 14th. Coverage kicks off at 7.30 p.m. Eastern Time to discuss the

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So if you want to check out Art of Words, check it out at artofwords.com. That's artof words.com and use code PHLY at checkout for 15% off your purchase. So before we dive into some of these eagles questions, quick non-football question for you. This is non-football question one. This is from Chonk. What are your food recommendations for a visiting tourist at Reading Terminal Market, best cheese steak in the city can be found where. So this is one that I enjoy these types of questions.

You always love talking about your days going to the Reading Terminal Market, like 10 years ago, right, when you work near there. Yeah. So, yeah, when I worked at 8th and Market for seven years at the Equirer, I'll let you go first because I can jump in for quite a bit here. But you first. I'm pretty boring and it's not just because of the fact that they usually hook us up when we have shows at the Reading Terminal Market. But the Knicks, roast pork, pretty simple. Just order the roast pork. That's what I'm getting at Reading Terminal Market every single time. They got a nice line right around the counter. They keep it moving. Nice efficient operation, even if they have, you know, 15 people waiting for for their food at all times. but the people at the Nix, they're the ones I go to right in the middle of Redding Terminal Market.

Yeah, that's a good one there. You can't go wrong with the Nix. I mean, there are so many things. You know, the great thing about the Redding Terminal market is that anything you could want, you will have there, right? So, you know, Uncle Gus's stakes. They're from the Nix. That's a good place to go for cheese stakes in there. You know, I like L. Mercury for some central American food that you can go with.

You know, if you want Peking Duck, you can go with San Key there. There's so many fun places to go, you know, anything that you're interested in. I like the Amish markets as well, obviously, Beeler's Donuts. You know, you got to wash it down with ice cream. And so he got Bassett's right there. But then for my favorite cheese steak in Philly, look, I got to go Angelo's. Angelo does an awesome job. Danny Ed Angelos does an awesome job.

But I'm in the burbs now, so if I can stretch it out, Johnny's Pizza on Lancaster Avenue, that's a good spot. I highly recommend that. So, you know, you can work out across the street at F-45 and then waste that whole workout by going to Johnny's and it'll be well worth it. Tell us more about your life, CB. Yeah, it's something, you know, I've literally done that before. And Emily says to me, like, like, what was the point of F-45, right? When you just get that cheese steak. But sometimes, you know, there's no line that cheese steak's calling.

You've got to roll with it. No pun intended. So two more things. I'd also like to give a shout out at Reading Terminal to Sweet Ninas, who has given us the banana pudding before. Oh, yeah. Absolutely delicious. Yeah, it's great.

And then as far as favorite cheese steak, I think I've told this story before, but my high school basketball coach, he's old school, you know, in a lot of ways. So he didn't necessarily, huh? Speedy Morris? Yeah. And he didn't always believe in the sports.

sports science in in every single way. So before games sometimes, before big games, he was kind of like the mayor of Roxborough and Manny Young type area. He would get Del Sandoz Delgado's delivery for the entire team to eat before a game. So did that actually help the team like during the game? I'm not sure, but I always look forward to it. And yeah. Yeah, yeah.

I got out I got to add Del Sandros chubbies across the street. You get good food in our in, in Rocksboro for sure. Let's roll back with the Eagles here. And this is General Eagles questions number one for you, Andrew. This is from Dave Hindent. On a one to 100 scale, what are the chances the Eagles make Jalen Carter, the highest paid non-quarterback in football after this season? Your thoughts on that, Rich?

My thoughts are I'd like your thoughts on that because I don't really have this encyclopedia of NFL contracts in my head. So yeah, all right, yeah. Yeah, sorry to put you on the spot. there. So, yeah, so when you look at it, the highest paid non-quarterbacks, obviously the wide receiver market has really gone up when you see, you know, the Jamar Chase deal. Edge rushers typically are up there, you know, if you just, if you go just based on per year, you know, Daniel Hunter's at 27 million per year, but it obviously doesn't have the same

length as some other teams do. If you go based on like the total guaranteed, Miles Garrett is at 88 a million guaranteed. Or I'm sorry, no, so average per year. He's the highest at, he's 40 million average per year. Then Jamar Chase 40.25 million. So just edges him out in terms of the highest paid non-quarterbacks. Yeah, I think Jalen Carter has a shot to push that.

I don't think, I'm going to go with 75. Obviously, the numbers keep going up. But Miles Garrett's going to be hard to beat Jamar Chase is going to be hard to beat. I was thinking it's going to have a three in front of it, more than a four in front of it, for the average per year. So I'm thinking if you're saying the highest paid defensive tackle in the NFL, I can definitely see that being the case. Let me pull that up here.

and that would be Chris Jones right now is 31.75. So he's the highest. He can beat that. Yeah. So I think he can beat that. I think he'll be the highest paid defensive lineman. But to be the highest paid non-quarterback, you're Miles Garrett, Jamar Chase, territory.

That has a four in front of it. I don't know if he's going to quite have the four in front of it. But he'll be in that conversation, which certainly says something about Jalen Carter. So as we all know, the Eagles are very proactive with these things, especially when they have a core player, the caliber of Jalen Carter. When do you expect that extension to get done? Sometime between March 15th, 2026, and May 15th, 2026. You think it gets done quickly, right, when they're allowed to do it?

Yes. I do too. I think they're going to act quickly on it. I think it's going to be similar to, you know, John Carter and Landon Dickerson and Cam Juergens and Devante Smith. Oh, I'm sorry, not Jayon Carter, Devonte Smith, Jayhont Hertz, Landon, you know, as soon as they're able to do it, I think they act quickly on that one. So, so let's go to roster questions number four. This is from Eric D. As of today, if you had to make a prediction, way running back or a wide receiver that's not currently on the roster,

Beyond the Eagles 53. So I'm going to spend this to you, too. The player I'm thinking of is receiver, right? I think that's the position where I feel like, look, they're fine at receiver right now, right? Because they only throw to A.J. Brown and Devante Smith and John Dotson really just runs routes, although maybe we get a little bit of a Dotson breakout this year

after a couple of catches in the postseason. But after that, it's pretty, unproven players. It's Johnny Wilson, Anaya Smith, Terrace Marshall. So do you think that's the position that they might target of the two, or would they go with another running back? You know, do they think Shipley is, is not quite enough as the backup and A.J. Dillon and what they have there. Yeah, it's good question. I think as it's currently constructed, as the roster is currently constructed, I will lean more toward wide receiver here because, you know, now, now they, they, did add some undrafted receivers.

They have Johnny Wilson developing. They have Anaya Smith going in the year two. They added Terrace Marshall. I can see if, you know, this is a spot that the Eagles look to address just because, you know, you can carry six. I think there's only three that I know for certain, that I think that I know for certain will be on the roster right now. So I think there's more room to add than running back. That said, if there's an injury to show. to Shipley. Obviously, there's an injury to Barclay. I think that's a position they

could address. A.J. Dillon is intriguing, but AJ Dillon hasn't played football in over a year. You know, there are some undrafted players in there. But of these two, I think they're more likely to add a wide receiver than a running back. Let's knock out here. The roster question number three. This is from Asher Levy. Lewis Seen is being talked about as an afterthought. He was really good in college and a high draft pick. As a pro got little play as a rookie than the injury. Do you think he has untapped potential to make the team and contribute, especially under Christian Parker? So, yeah, he's not being discussed often.

He is someone who was intriguing coming out of Georgia, number 32 overall pick. And it's a position where there isn't clear, like, you know, the roster is unclear right now. You know Makuba's going to be on the team. You know Blankenship's going to be on the team. You're expecting Sidney Brown to be on the team. Beyond those three, it's wide open. So I can certainly see Lewesine pushing for a roster spot. The Eagles signed him to the 53 before the playoffs last year to have him on the roster for the season.

It was not to use him last year. So that shows that they're intrigued by the upside. The flip side to this is that Lewis Seen was on a practice squad for, what 15 weeks last year and and you know no one signed him off that bill's practice squad um so he he does need to prove it but this is part of the eagle strategy in signing these former first round picks and second round picks is they're going to see if they can get the potential that that's that someone else didn't tap into uh so i i do think there is untapped potential to answer the question literally i do think that he has a chance to push for spot on the 53 um but i think this is a flyer

more than anything else. Look, you know about, you know more about Mr. Seen than I do. I would say I would love to see it just to see one of those seven and eight man Georgia defensive units. If he could get on the field, that would be, that would be pretty cool. But yeah, because of like the part of the year that they were able to acquire him, I do wonder a little bit like what Buffalo is telling you, keeping him on the practice squad for that entire time, like coming in with probably lower expectations.

And if he hits, then it'll be a pleasant surprise. Let's sneak in one question before we go to our sponsors. And that is a Cowboys question number one. And this is topical today. For those who missed it, the Cowboys traded for George Pickens from the Pittsburgh Steelers. A talented wide receiver. They gave up a third round pick in the deal. And this question is from Zig, Cowboys question number one.

More likely, Pickens Pro Bowl or Pickens suspended at least one game for conjuring. for conduct detrimental to the team in a contract year behind a guy who leads the league in targets. Why can't it be both? Yeah. So what do you think of the deal? I mean, Pickens is a guy who's played in a lot of offenses that aren't very dynamic. Really, he's been he's been called upon to make a lot of the big plays. Doesn't get a ton of separation, but obviously has hit a bunch of those big plays,

especially last year at the beginning of the year. and when Russell Wilson came aboard. But he's a lot, I would say, Zach. And that's what Zig is referring to, where, you know, is an emotional guy. There are questions of, you know, did Pittsburgh just not want the potential headache going into that contract year? I am going to say that it's more likely that Pickens, I mean, it's pretty easy to make the Pro Bowl now with all the players who end up declining that spot. So what do you think about it? I love this trade for Dallas.

Yeah. I like gambling on talent. You're looking at a 24-year-old who's 6-3, 200 pounds. Year 2 in the NFL, he led the league in yards per reception. He had 63 catches, nearly 1,200 yards, five touchdowns. He even last year in a relative down year, playing only 14 games, 59 catches, 900 yards. okay uh you know his his yards um he's he's he's a threat when he's on the field he's a big play guy uh i i like the the body control at that size uh yeah i mean this is if you're if if you're

if you're dallas this is absolutely the type of risk worth taking i think it makes them a better football team and i understand there's some volatility and you can you can talk to me all you all you want about culture uh and i i do believe in culture seriani if you're watching i i i agree with everything you're saying about culture, but I also believe in talent, right? And I think that the the talent is too appealing here, you know, going into a contract year. I know C.D. Lamb gets the ball a lot. CDLAM's not the only one who's going to get the ball. I think if I think the Cowboys are a legitimate threat in the NFC East. I think this makes them a better football team. Yeah. And I also think that there is going to be.

two times next year where I'm complaining that George Pickens commits offensive pass interference on like a 30 yard catch because he's not open and he pushes off against one of the Eagles quarterbacks. It feels like an old school Dallas move where they bring in some guy who has a ton of talent, but there are questions about how he fits into a locker room. But yeah, I mean, if you made me guess, like I think he's going to have a productive year. Like, I don't think he's going to be a complete bus playing with Dak Prescott and C.D. Lamb, who takes up a lot of attention. So I'm surprised that the Steelers would move on from him, honestly, just because that's a team that needs to get more dynamic offensively.

They bring in D.K. Metcalfe this offseason, but for whatever reason, they said, you know, we're going to get out of the George Pickens business. But for a third round pick, I kind of think it's a good trade for Dallas as well. I agree with you on that. If you want to know who is most responsible for the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, you're going to want to watch the last 17 minutes of this show. Before we get there, though, we need to tell you about some of our friends. Let's talk about Empire today, because I look at the floor below me right now, and I say that you want quality floors from people who know flooring.

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What's a piece of sports journalism from when you were young? Okay, so just a piece of sports journalism, not advice from when you are younger. They impacted your career path. Alternatively, if nothing comes to mind, what's your go-to diner breakfast order? This is from Souter Risto. So I'm sorry, this is non-football question number three. So two questions. Both those questions.

Yeah. So, yeah, let's hear from you first. Piece of sports journalism. So what do you think? You're thinking like a book or an article or? Yes. I would say, I mean, there are so many sports illustrated articles I used to read. That was my favorite part of the week.

You know, this thing called a magazine would get delivered to your home every, what was it like every Wednesday, every Thursday. And I would usually devour that from cover to cover. As far as like books are concerned, I'm trying to think. I'm looking at my bookshelf right now at some of my favorite ones. Jordan Rules was a pretty good one by Sam Smith. Yeah, that was one of the first ones that I would say I read when I was deciding, okay, I think I'd like to do this.

But, you know, I would say outside of just one, one piece of journalism. I read the Philadelphia Daily News every single day. I just thought their sports coverage was excellent from cover to cover. I know you are an inquire guy, but that is the family business. Yeah, yeah, you are. I enjoyed his work. Yes.

They were combined. So, yeah, it was really just reading those articles just every single day, whether my dad, it was less writing about the Eagles and Damo writing about the Eagles. It was Phil Jasner. chronicling the Alan Iverson era of the Sixers, flyers, Paul Hagan on the Phillies, David Murphy later on the Phillies. So yeah,

it was more than just one piece, I would say. It was more just kind of like reading the daily news pretty much every day and Sports Illustrated every week. And my go-to diner order is very boring, just scrambled eggs, toast, home fries, or maybe some bacon as well. That's generally what I'm going.

with at a diner. Okay. Yeah. So sports journalism, I mean, we have 11 minutes in the show. I can give you 11 hours on this. Rick Riley, in Sports Illustrated, was such an influence. Like his writing style, his columns, they came to, you know, they, those were huge influences for me.

The morning anchor was a story he did. on Brian Gumble, that really jumps to mind. That when I read that, I was like, oh, my God, you can do this with words. And then he actually got me into Jim Murray, who was a columnist of Los Angeles Times. And then I read all Jim Murray's work. I have other Jim Murray books here. There's one up there I couldn't reach in the shot. I devoured all the Jim Murray's columns.

So that was huge. And yeah, the Inquirer of Daily News, you know, I used to go to say, Sixers games and I would just watch, I would look at Press Row and I would be like, oh my goodness, you know, there Stephen. What age are you? From, you know, probably seven, eight years old on, you know, I used to watch the sports reporters on Sunday morning, right? Sure.

And so, and then, you know, Daily News Live was such a big part of my life when I would, when I, when I would get home from school. And, but I would look at the press row behind the basket. And I'm like, sure. There's St. Renee Smith, and there's Ashley McGee-Fox, and there's Phil Jasner, and there's Peter Vessi. It's a national game, and Peter Vessi's there, right? And, like, it was, it was incredible. And so I, you know, and, you know, the inquire, I used to read The Inquirer over breakfast, the dayway news over lunch, then Sports Alistrate when I got home from school.

So I would have to say that. And diner, so, look, I'll ask the waitress, what she recommends. And then Bo and Sheel will roll their eyes at me. You know, one of my things at restaurants is I don't like to go with things that I'll make at home, right? And diner, like, you know, I can make scrambled eggs and toast at home, right? So I would probably go, you know, I can make an omelette at home too, so I suppose I'm being hypocritical. But I would probably go with an omelet if I have to say something there. But I'm more of, I'm not a huge breakfast eater.

I don't like to go out to eat for breakfast per se. Like if I'm going out to a diner, make it, you know, make it over dinner or lunch or late night. And I prefer that than the breakfast food. But let's, man. Do you have a specific diner that you used to go to? Yeah, Penrose, Melrose. Those are the two that come around. Yeah, the Melrose diner and the Penrose diner.

What about you? The Penrose diner is the one that I was thinking of. There is one, my girlfriend and I, her family, they have a house, like an old cabin in the Catskills. We've been going to the Phoenicia Diner a couple times a year, though. Good little spot. Nice. When I was in D.C., there was a place, and I was Martin called the diner. And I used to go there, and I used to go there after I would get home from work around 1 a.m.

I would go to the diner, and I would get a, it was like a bourbon bread pudding. with vanilla ice cream on it. And I would sit at the bar at the diner and like I would reward myself. If I had a good story, I would reward myself with that bread pudding with vanilla ice cream on it. It was the diner in Adams Morgan. I would do that. Everyone else and Adams Morgan was like going to the bars. I'm pulling up to the diner.

I'm sitting there. Everyone there is, you know, drunk or whatever. And I'm like, I just wrote about Emilio Bonifacio on the Washington National. Okay. and, you know, Maniacta said this, Jim Wrigalman said that, and I liked my lead tonight. You know, I just saw Garrett Mock throw five innings. I worked that into the story, and so I'm going to reward myself here with bourbon bread pudding. So, yeah, I got guilty as charged with that.

So I'm, no, wait, I'm laughing at you, but that's nice. That's nice. It's the simple pleasures in life. Like you felt rewarded from the story you wrote. So I am laughing because it is kind of funny with all of the, I have been in that Adams Morgan area, which is kind of crazy at night. Yeah, for sure.

But I'm laughing, but I also think that's nice. I just want to say that. I'm not, Emilio Bonapacio, writing a good game story about him, that there's something to be celebrated about that, for sure.

I think authenticity is important and like lean into who you are, man. You know, and that's so I'm, I don't try to pretend. that I'm someone I'm not. I love dessert at diners. I'm not typically someone who you see stumbling around drunk at 1 a.m., but I am someone looking for a good dessert as a night cat.

All right. This is General Eagles question number three. Everywhere you turn, you see people saying that the Eagles, players, coaches aren't top five, eight in the league. And yet somehow this mediocre team won the Super Bowl. So if you had to rank which 5, 10 players or coaches are most responsible for the Super Bowl winning season, in order, what's that list? This is from it's from Darren Noia. I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly.

So you don't have to give me five or over 10, but maybe the three people you think are most responsible here. It's hard because it was such a loaded team, right? Who do you give the most credit to? If we're just limiting it to players and coaches, obviously, like if you maybe pick Hallie Roseman is the most responsible for the Super Bowl, it's hard to weigh whether the players or coaches are making more of an impact. I definitely think the two coaches that made the most impact are the defensive coordinator and the offensive line coach.

And that's no disrespect to Nick Siriani. It's just kind of the way I look at it. in terms of players i mean i don't want to set day niz off and and give saquan all of the credit i think jalen carter is is definitely one of those first few names right and it's not just because of uh it's not just because of the super bowl because the super bowl everybody else had a great game because the chief said we're not going to let you beat us but it's also because of all the snaps you played during the season it's because of the biggest play of the playoffs in my opinion that third down play against the Rams where he gets to the quarterback

and it looks like they're going to score. So he would be number one. Let's go Vic Fangio, number two. And I'll say Sequin Barclay number three. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I guess I have to put Howie in here. And I don't want to disrespect, Nick. It's, you know, I feel like Jason Kelsey

in his, in his Super Bowl speech, like, it's, you know, it's not one guy, right? Like, it's, it's, you know, and he's like, it's all of us, right? Right? It is. Jayhurtz, too. Like, if you want to put him first, I get that too. You, you, but I'm a player's person here, so I'm going to go with three players.

And I'm going to go with, you know, J.O.N. Hertz, Sequin Barclay, I guess, I mean, I would say A.J. Brown, but I need to go with the line of scrimmage. I guess I'll go Lane Johnson. But then, you know, but Zach Bonn was a defensive player of the year candidate. It was unbelievable. Yeah. It tied everything together. Yeah, exactly. So, but I'm going to go Lane Johnson.

I'm going to go Lane Johnson, Joan Hertz, Sequin Barclay. How about that? But, man, this is a tough on here. This is, this is real tough. And then, yeah, I mean, look, look, Siriani's the head coach of the team. I see Big Dom in the chat. Sure.

I've literally spoken to people in there who say that they don't win that without Big Dom. A.J. Brown said, that they're not in the Super Bowl without Howie Roseman. Jeffrey Lurie is so important to the organization. I don't think fans fully appreciate the importance of like competent ownership in professional sports. So there are so many options here. It is a good question. And if I can shamelessly say, there's a book coming out on September 23rd called Leap Year,

which delves into a lot of these characters that made the team special. So let's get one here. Let's go General Eagles question three. I'm sorry, General Eagle's question five before the break here. And it's from S-H-A-R-T gallery. Okay. I don't want to drop. And this is, if you could guarantee an honest and direct answer from Howie or Nick,

what question would you ask? Well, let's hear it. I'm curious your thought first. genuine question if you could guarantee an honest and direct answer from howie or nick what question would you ask well when i think about howie and nick i would love to know yeah yeah i would love to know the order of events from last off season like was what was that week and a half in between the eagles losing in Tampa and then finally announcing that nick seriani is coming back. What was it like? And I'm sure maybe the answer was we were pretty sure Nick was going

to come back the whole time, but we had to get all of our ducks in order. But I would love like a day by day breakdown of how that went. And maybe what was the was there any interest in looking outside? I remember there was a little Bill Belichick talk at the time, which is kind of interesting in retrospect. But basically for both of those guys, what was that week like? You know, what was your confidence that you were going to be back that that's basically what i would go with if you want to find out my answer to this you're going to have to tune in to overtime uh yeah so i'm going to go with um you know look i i guess related to last year i want to know from how we the nature of the call to bill bellichick uh you know after after after the season um you know with with nick

I guess I would want him to give like a real specific explanation for what he thought happened in 2023. I've spoken to him generally, but and he gets to a point and then he stops, right? And like he'll say, like, he doesn't need to get into all of that. I want to know what specifically deteriorated there, why it deteriorated, what he saw that led to it that led to it. But honestly, I've got to say, like, you know, if I have an audience with Howie Roseman and Nixiriani and they have Truth Serum, like, I'm not at, you know, I'm, I'm really trying to get, like, I'm, I'm trying to get perspective that they're not going to give in, in any other situation. So, uh, I would want, like, Howie, I would want Howie to give the tell all about, you know, the end of the chip carry, the end of the chip carrier that 2000 and, and, and. and, you know, 15 year, like, like, just, just give me everything about 2015. Like, and I've spoken about what he's learned.

I spoke about what he's on. But I want, like, the truth, like, you know, how did that fall apart with Chip Kelly? You know, that probably that. So, you know, I know that's a bygone question. But, yeah, this is interesting. And, yeah, I would love, I would love of truth serum was a part of journalism. And, like, you can just get the unvarnished truth. let's knock out a few more in overtime.

One more now that I think about it, just if you're talking to Nick Siriani, just saying, Jalen Hertz, discuss. Like, what do you actually think of Jalen Hertz? What's this relationship been like behind the scenes?

I would love to know that. Yeah. That is a good one. Let's go with, just is a real quick one. I can answer it in three words. in three words. We have to get to this.

Speaking of Bill Belichick here, this is General Eagle's question. Number six, Stork rank, who you think is the youngest out of Quinion, Mitchell, Keighly Ringo, and Jordan Hudson.

So the youngest in that group is Keelie Ringo. Did you know Keelrygo is younger than Quinion Mitchell? Okay? He's also younger than Jordan Hudson. Quinion Mitchell is number two on this list. Quignon Mitchell is in the middle.

And Jordan Hudson narrowly is the oldest one on this list. on this list, she narrowly beats out Keeley Ringo. Well, when you put it that way. Yeah. I read yesterday morning, I read a good chunk of Bill Belichick's book. And I got to say, there is, there's only, you know, among Eagles references there, only the Super Bowl that he beat the Eagles in, not the Super Bowl that he lost the Eagles in. You would think in a book, you'd get into the loss, the game that he lost, but no.

That did not come up in Bill Belchek's book, maybe the sequel, but there were some good lessons in that book. You know what? There's so many good questions here. I'm going to take some, and we know Bo's not going to create all a mailbag episode. So I'm going to take some of these questions, and I'm going to turn them into a mailbag on all p.l.com. Let's knock out two more quickly. here. This is one from Gary. This is general football question number three.

And I picked this one because this was actually in a YouTube comment. So please leave comments on YouTube for all the shows. I read every single one of them. Criticism, I take it. I learn from it. Praise. I appreciate it. Feedback, always interested in it.

This is from Gary Wulenski in the lead up to the 2025 drafted. teams reach out to Fran for his analysis of a certain player. This is what I can say. Fran Duffy's extraordinarily respected by scouts in the NFL. And Fran's work is red, is consumed. And I'll say this. Like I can't speak for Fran, but I can speak as a reporter. A big part of, you know, source building and source maintaining is not just the taking, but the giving. And what I mean by that is like if you have something you can offer them,

like they're more interested in speaking to you, right? And so in my case, that's that's information. Like if there's information, a source is more apt to want to talk to me. And like, in Fran's case, a big part of that is like his analysis. So like I got to imagine that that teams aren't saying, you know, like Fran help us put our draft board together. But in conversations Fran might be having, it's like, hey, what do you think of this player? And then they'll have Fran, what do you think of this player, right? Because this is, this is what scouts do. And Fran's a scout. You know, he's our draft analyst, but he's a scout and a reporter. And he does a fantastic job of that. Is there a, is there a question you wanted to knock out here, you know, before we close out?

Let's look at the non-football questions. Yeah, those are, you know, I mean, Bo would probably be upset that I haven't gone as much into the non-football questions here. There's so many good football questions, but yeah, the non-football questions are always fun. Let's do number four in the non-football questions. Peckness migrate. Your typing skills, your observation skills, or your listening skills. So I'm going to go with my listening skills. going to nest, okay?

Because I think it's so important to be a good listener. There are times on the show when I'm preparing for an ad read, I might not be listening intently enough. But I think one of my skills as a reporter is like I genuinely listen to the answers to questions, right? And so like I'm not just there saying, I want to ask this and this. Like I'm synthesizing what they say. And I, and you know, the same thing. when I, in conversations with people, like I, I think I'm a good listener.

So that, that number one, I'll go observation skills. I will peck that. And then typing skills, you know, if I can't type, I suppose I can speak into the phone. So I guess I would migrate that, but those are important for me. So I'll flip it around. I would definitely nest my listening skills. my typing skills, I'm going to peck and I'm going to migrate my observation skills. I am not the body language doctor, you know, people always tell me.

No, I'm not. I'm not. And I do not always pick up on facial cues and all of those things. So I will migrate that one. Yeah. And then Mike Wye also said, water gun to your toe, how many more years could you realistically see Fangio coaching before he retires? how old is he right now right now he's i think 68

yes they were 66 sorry vic i aged you a bit 66 uh you know i think like the round number would be like five more years but the thing is he could really bolster his resume over this stretch where you never know when you're going to get this super talented defense uh and i think it also helps that he's doing it close to home, close to his family, and also for the team that he grew up rooting for as well. I'm going to say five years is probably the most he would go.

But, you know, like let's say they win a couple more Super Bowls. And it's because in large part they have a dominant defense. Could he keep going? Yeah, yeah, I could see that. I mean, the guy loves coaching football. Yeah. Yeah, let's get him the 70 and then go from there. Right. So let's let's say conservatively four more years. Maybe that's aggressively,

but that's a good, that's a good question. And it's one of the Eagles have to be thinking about as well. There were many good questions here today. I'm sorry we did not get to all of them. I promise you at some point the next, let's say four to six or three to five days. I will round out these questions with a mailbag. I just got it writing to do tonight after a Ph. YLY responsibility this afternoon I have to tend to. But great news for our audience tomorrow. The best host in the city. Bow Wolf returns.

I imagine he's got things on his mind other than changing diapers that he is ready to discuss. So I can't wait. Rich, it's been awesome doing the show with you. It's been awesome doing the shows with Fran. It's been awesome doing the show. So Jamie, but. We need Bo back. Yeah.

Look, Bo is the best host in the city. Let's get him back. I think the shows are too organized as they are right now. We need some nonsense thrown in just for the audience. So, yeah. So let's let's get rolling there with Bo. I will be in studio with Bo tomorrow at 2 p.m. catching up. Make sure that you are rating, subscribing,

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means everyone starts at the same time in case you were curious. That is important. And then I got to give a shout out to our P.S. H-I-Sixers crew, Monday is the lottery. So, so, Rich, what do you guys have planned for Monday's coverage? Well, we're going to have a show live.

Did you see the NHL lottery the other night? I was listening. I was watching the show. I was watching the show. Yeah, I was watching. I was watching Charlie and Bill. Yeah, I was watching Charlie and Bill or listening to Charlie and Bill and Kelly. Yeah.

Well, they did it live. Yeah. Obviously, Charlie Bill and Kelly did the show live. but they did the actual drawing of the lottery balls live. That was the NBA should absolutely do that, although the NBA does draw four different combos. So we might be there for a little while because if you know sometimes in the behind the scenes room,

the same team gets picked over and over again. I could see how that could get a little tedious. That was electric television, though, the NHL. Like the Flyers, they drew four balls. And I believe there were 11 remaining. And the Flyers had. two balls that would have given them the first overall pick. So you're waiting to see if they would get a four or a six.

Alas, they did not get a four or six. But man, it was a lot of fun to watch. So, you know, we will have a show at the same time. And we also will have an event like the Flyers crew did at the PHLY Studios. So for any diehard Sixers fans, come on, hang out. We're going to have a bunch of a bunch of food and drink as well. we'll either celebrate or commiserate at the at the sixers and what happens in the lottery, 64% chance they keep the pick.

So that's basically what we got going on next Monday. And if you want to do that, it's on the events page on all-PHLY.com. Also, one of my favorite things every morning is when Rich Hoffman's newsletter comes into the mailbox and make sure you're subscribed to Rich's newsletter. So much good stuff going on here at PHLY. We will be back tomorrow. Thank you to Andrew for producing the show. Thank you to Rich, as always, for being a terrific part of our Eagles coverage.

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