PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Minicamp Report: Jalen Hurts, DeVonta Smith Break Camp With A BANG | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: June 10, 2026

That’s a wrap for the Eagles’ spring work as the final minicamp practice is over and we’re here to tell you everything you need to know, from Jalen Hurts’ progression in Sean Mannion’s offense to DeVonta Smith’s new role, Saquon Barkley’s involvement in the passing game and whether Andy Dalton or Tanner McKee took the second-team reps. Join EJ Smith and Bo Wulf, who had eyes on everything at the Eagles’ facility.    Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome the P HLY Eagles podcast, my beautiful Wednesday afternoon, live from the Xfinity Lounge and presented by our friends and Ashley, Bo Wolf, and nobody else. Once again, here alone at the start of the show, E.J. Smith on his way over after talking to several Eagles, Cam J. Jirgens among them, UR. Bernard among them, which is very exciting, Tay Wicks as well, and Jalen Hertz is going to speak momentarily.

So we'll tell you what you need to know from that. Until then, I'm here to tell you a little bit about practice. Not just today, but over the course of the spring. And I do want to start with Jalen Hertz, because I think someone made a comment yesterday, most of the comments, who cares? But maybe we didn't spend enough time talking about how Jalen has looked this spring. And I think that that's probably fair.

I think we were saving that for a bigger picture conversation, which we will now have. And obviously, so much of this spring has been about Jalen adjusting to this new offense. You know, we have seen him under center 80% of the time, roughly, something like that. Most of the stuff that we have seen from the ones against the ones has been Jailen under center, a lot of play action. And for the most part, the defense has looked better. That's what you would and should expect, given not only that the defense is loaded and has more continuity,

So that's generally how things go in the NFL early in the spring and early in the summer because offense there are more moving parts. It takes a little bit more cohesion to make that stuff happen, especially when you've got a brand new offense. For today, keep in mind that Devante Smith was not at practice today, excused by the team for personal reasons. So Jillin today is without Devante Smith and Mikhail Leibman, who continues to be hampered by a hamstring injury. So he's without his presumably top two. receivers. Don Tavian Wix was a participant in team drills today and actually had a pretty good day. Jalen a couple times on time getting the ball to Don Tavian Wix. He was also intercepted

by Rik Wollin. And I think you would notice that Jailen Hertz was probably intercepted more this spring than we've probably ever seen in a spring from him, usually pretty protective of the ball in these settings. And yet, I don't think that's a bad thing. No, Nick Siriani was asked about that today, whether he cares less about turnovers from the quarterback when you are installing a new offense. And Nick made the point to distinguish between fumbles and interceptions saying fumbles will never be okay. It's such a core tenant of our fundamental focus here that, you know, that will never be okay, which I think is probably the right answer. And yet he still sort of walked back the idea that interceptions would ever be okay. And that's when he uttered the phrase

that I think lots of Eagles fans, you know, sent to show. shiver down your spine and maybe made you a little bit nauseous, which is that we want to make sure that we end every drive in a kick, meaning, you know, a punt, a field goal, or an extra point, and not give the ball away. I think that has been sort of a phrase that we have made fun of in the past, rightfully so, because it's probably not the kind of thing that Jeffrey Lurie would want to hear. You want a team to be aggressive, go for it on fourth down, not be thinking so risk averse, but that's a conversation for a different day. As for you, for Jalen Hertz. I don't think that the interceptions are a bad thing, but I think I would tell you

that most of what we have seen from Jalen and the offense this spring has been lots of passes to the running backs, whether those are by like a first read design or Gilling just sort of has to get to his third or fourth read, or quick passes either over the middle or to like the first six to eight yards of the field. There has not been a lot of downfield passing. from the offense this spring. There were a couple deep shots today. One of them was just sort of a, you know, a heave on the fourth read.

One was one down the right sideline that was incomplete. So right now, it doesn't look like they're working on like this becoming an explosive offense, but I think that that's by intention. I think the things that they are working on right now are building the like foundational tenants of the offense, the core things that they need to do

that rely so much, on everybody moving in concert with each other. And it hasn't looked perfect, and you probably shouldn't expect it to look perfect this early. I think Jalen has embraced it all. I think it's been probably a generally, if I had to say, like, good or bad, pick one or the other. I would say it's been a generally good look for Jalen,

even though he has turned up all over, and there hasn't been a ton of explosive plays, just because it's all new to him. And he's not necessarily working with the best cast of characters right now all at the same time. The flip side to that is I was also say that there were a couple run plays today that seemed like they popped and, you know, we can poke fun at the emphasis on the marriage of the past game and the run game.

And Cam Juergens was actually going along on that today about just how the way that the offense is set up now. It is more about dictating to the defense. There's a little bit less reading and relying on knowing what the defense is going to do pre-snap. if you are the one dictating terms and you can make everything look the same. It's what we've heard from the coaches all spring

about making the complex things look simple and the simple things look complex. And so sometimes you will see, probably more than I can remember in a spring practice, runs seem like they really pop because there's just a huge hole for Saquan Berkeley to sprint through. And so, you know, you think that maybe the passing game

is going to take a step back from the past couple of times. seasons because there's no AJ Brown, but maybe the running game is going to take a step forward, and then those two things work in concert. Maybe that's a good thing. The other part of it is, it's probably a good thing if you're an Eagles fan that the defense looks as good as it does right now. In the spring, when they're not wearing pads, you're probably not quite as worried about how the front seven looks, but on the outside, where you already know you have Quinion Mitchell and Cooper DeGine playing at an all-pro level. E.J. has been a lot of

spent a lot of time patting himself on the back for gassing up Rick Wollin. But Rick Wollin has had a very good spring. And there was another play today, not even the play where he intercepted Jalen Hertz. And I think this was actually against a backup quarterback where the ball was thrown deep down the right sideline. And Rick Wullen was like so already over the receiver that it turned into a situation where the receiver was the one hoping that he could break up an interception. And he did eventually do that.

Speaking of the backup quarterbacks, I should tell you. that after so much of yesterday's show and the spring has been focused on Andy Dalton being the number two. Today it was Tanner McKee. And Nick Siriano was asked about that before practice and said they're going to continue rotating, essentially saying that he's telling us they've been rotating all along. Good to see that Tanner McKee was out there.

I thought he had a pretty good day, not a great day. Sometimes the ball was being held a little bit too long. I think that that's probably a common, thing from the spring is that there have been a lot of times where in seven on seven, you really want us to the ball come out and thrown into a tight window if there's nobody open. There's been a little bit too much holding onto the ball from Jalen and Tanner McKee and Andy Dalton in those seven on seven settings. But I thought McKee looked all right.

Meanwhile, Tanner McKee, I mean Andy Dalton rather, not a surprise, intercepted again. This one by Ambry Thomas, I believe. a nice cut, a nice read on an outside breaker and the ball just floating for Mandy Dalton. It has not been a great chap. Now, E.J. is on his way up. He's in the chat. He says he's in the elevator. And that is a dangerous thing for the people in the building. Because since he is nine minutes later, I'm going to tell you a story about E.J. Yesterday, on his way up, he's rushing to get to the show. And he's got to change. Because we're out at the practice.

field. We're wearing shorts. And I stay outside. You want to feel comfortable. You don't want to be too sweaty. We're wearing shorts. But we come into Studio A, as I told you, the government has decided that we need to wear pants here, too sexy otherwise. And so in the elevator, on the way up, that's where E.J. makes the switch from shorts to pants. disrobes in the elevator risking the possibility

that somebody in the building could come on and catch him mid-change. Can you believe the gall from E.J. Smith to do such a thing, we will hear from him shortly about that decision and find out if he did it again today. E.J. come on in.

Nice to see you. There he is. He's wearing pants. and the question posed to you, E.J., is did you do today, the same thing you did yesterday, did you change in the elevator? No, I did not change in the elevator because I was in the elevator with somebody. Definitely was not trying to get arrested. You did a great job.

I'm so sorry. Holding it down without me. I appreciate it. Fresh off of an UR. Bernard press conference. I'm excited to hear about that. Yeah. It was very enlightening. He was very good up there.

Obviously, like there is a language barrier that he has to deal with. But I thought he did a really nice job. Was anybody overselling the language barrier? Like, O-R? Oh, no. What has it been, you know, is it? Nobody did that. That's good.

I think the reporters did a good job. Okay, I'm glad to hear that. Speaking, we didn't have a lot of face-offs. That's good. It was like a recognition of the moment. Yes, yes. But the thing that stood out to me is him talking about, he says, Philly is like home. You know, Philly, I think he said Philly is my home now.

You know, the defensive line room, they're my brothers. And I think some of that you expect him to sort of want to manifest that. But the one that, I mean, maybe it's just because you want the story to unfold this way. The one that, like, actually, like, hits is like Clint Hurt is my father. You know? Oh, my gosh. He's not like my father. And, like, again, language barrier.

Maybe he means he's like my father, but Clinton Hurd is like my father. And this is not a Pedro Martinez and the Yankees calling them my daddy kind of deal. No, I don't think it's that. But I think that there's something really beautiful about that. You know, who are Bernard, like starting this new journey and the connection that him and Clint Hurt have already formed, hearing him talk about that, hearing him talk about how Clint Hurt checks on him every single day, like goes out of his way to make sure that he's doing okay.

I think that they are, it's the beginning of a really special relationship. and it was cool to hear from O'R. Bernard talking about, you know, the foundation of that relationship being through, like pushing him to be better but caring about him as a person outside of the football field. That's fun.

Yeah, it was really good to hear from him. He says the thing he misses most about home, do you want to guess? The food? The food. What a good guess. I figured everybody was going to start... I figured it was going to start with an F,

whether it was family or food. Yeah, more. What's that? Or? Faith. Sure. Keeping it PG. Yeah.

But yeah, he said the food. He said he's gotten to a couple of West African restaurants in the area, but I'm sure it doesn't compare. Yeah, I'm sure it doesn't compare. So, yeah, he talked about how tired he was during the first few practices. Okay. And how Jordan Davis, of all people, was the one to tell him, like, listen, it's going to get easier, you know? Okay, that's so. That's good.

Yeah. But honestly, like, lived experience. Yeah. You know, he said that Joshua Wieroo is like a brother to him as well. You know, how it's been really special to have him there. So, yeah, it was cool to hear from Muar. You know, I appreciate him doing that. You know, it's like, I imagine it wasn't easy.

So, again, I appreciated him coming up there and, you know, sharing his experience. That's great. Yeah, it was great. To listening to that. All right, let's take our first break. We'll resettle here. We'll let E.J. catch his breath. And on the other side, we'll talk about, you want to do practice notes first?

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Back on the PHA Y Eagles podcast, Bo and E.J. Now, before you got here, E.J. Yeah, I was sort of talking about my big picture thoughts on Jalen from the spring and the way that he has looked. I'm curious what your thoughts are. Thumbs up or thumbs down on what you've seen from Jalen? In terms of his on-field performance, it's hard to not give it a thumbs down, but I think the context that you were spelling out is very important there. I think overall, the overall spring experience, I actually would give a thumbs up.

I think, you know, it's funny, I was talking about this on Anthony's show this morning. It's something he brought up, which is, I think sometimes when you look at, and listen, I love our friend Elliot Short Park, so this isn't a shot across his bow. I think when you look at the stats of a day at practice, you can like overweight the success that the offense had against the defense for a lot of reasons, but one being like, you're not really sure what the offenses are trying to accomplish during OTAs. I think, you know, we heard from TAY Wicks today, and TAY Wicks, what a nickname. We heard from TAY Wicks, I like that nickname.

It's a good nickname. It's not really a nickname. Yeah, but just like TAY Wicks, it sounds cool. But it's not a nickname. It is a shortening of his name Yeah that that's a nickname No you know what I'm gonna put my foot down here

What else is a nickname I feel like a nickname When I think of a nickname Lindsay That's a little bit There's no way A nickname is something that's not your name That people call you

I agree with EJ Yeah Because I make it total sense It's a sliding scale I feel I don't feel like Tay Don Tavian That's not tempo. If it's a pause in there, it's not tempo.

Technically it is, if we want to be potent. But I feel like that's not like, what a nickname. Oh, man. Something that is just taken from the name. That I feel like is this bridge too far. It's a good nickname, Taywix. He was talking today about how, like, he doesn't have a good feel for what the offense is going to look like yet

because they're still in the early process of installing things. And I think when you're looking at, you know, Jalen's body of work over the last couple of weeks, something you mentioned. It's a lot of underneath routes. It's a lot of like shallow crossers. It's a lot of, you know, checkdowns to the running back. This is, like, there is every possibility that they've spent the spring installing like the on time, keep you on time in rhythm, passing game that, you know, honestly, it's funny because a year ago we would have been saying they need more of this. They need more in rhythm, you know, passing plays and concepts where

it's not necessarily about hunting explosives. It's about staying on schedule. So I'm not saying that that's what they were doing, but I think that again, that's like, keep that type of stuff in mind when, like, I go through my notes and it's just like, you know, Hertz check down to 26. I know. It is a, there is a part of my brain that is spiraling a little bit in conjunction with Nick saying, we want to end every drive in a kick today where it's like, it has felt like, it has felt like the spring offense has been based around making that happen. It's been a lot of like short completion. I think we've got to be,

I think we have to be a little bit more patient than that and not go overboard. But it has been, I mean, it has not been an explosive offense. It has not. And they have taken a few deep shots. They haven't been successful.

I would say certainly the ball has been thrown downfield less often. Yes. Than most past springs. And as for whether the ball has been thrown over the middle of the field more, which we are going to be so focused on all season long, in my memory,

it has been, but it has mostly been within 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. There have not been a lot of balls thrown over the middle of the field in sort of the intermediate area. Yeah, I would agree with that. There's been a lot of shallow crossers and then like the shallow crosser where like you sit in the middle against the zone, you settle.

Like there's been a lot of those. But honestly, I'll be curious to hear what Fran thinks about this. Maybe I'll text him about it. To me, like maybe this is part. part of like the overall concept of like marrying the run in the past together where you have to have some of these shorter passing concepts that tie to the run game. So I just I don't know if that's exactly the argument for why you shouldn't over react to the stats. But overall, I think you shouldn't overreact to the stats from Jaylon. Oh yeah. I mean I I would the stats in any practice. I'm never going to even just the on-field performance. I think honestly

and listen you can say oh go ahead. I would say like if you know we're we're waiting to hear from Jalen. I still believe we're still waiting to hear from Jalen. I feel like if Jalen comes out today and is like, you know, man, this transition, like kind of like alluding to this transition not going well, that's more of a red flag for me than even like the on-field performance. I know that that might sound crazy, but. Yeah, because I think you're,

I think you are, you are building the first floor of this building. And in order to layer off of other things, you have to start from here. I think that that's a, I think that that's totally fine. Yeah. So.

But it's also why to circle back on a different contentious conversation. Okay. I don't think you can expect this offense to be at its best the first month of the season. Yeah, I have no quibble with that. I never said that the offense needs to be at its best in the first month. You said it's more important. You said the first four games are more important than December. I did not say that.

I guess you did. I said that the, what did I say? Rams game was probably more important than the Texans game. And I stand by that. I think it was more about a stretch. But yeah, that's okay. The stretch, the first, no, not the, yeah, if they lose three straight in the first four weeks, I do think that that is more important than losing.

Three straight in December? Yeah, no, I guess I, I don't, I wouldn't say that. Okay. I wouldn't say that. Shout out Fran, he's been coaching me up on how to, that's good. You've been a head of defeat. That's good. No, I think that early stretch is important.

Tough man to make a tender forecast. I don't think the offense has to look perfect early. What I think will be more interesting is if the offense doesn't look perfect early, are they committed to this play? Well, I think that is right. And I don't think we have an answer to that. I thought it's very funny that when Nick was talking about the turnover version thing, it seemed like he tried to, like, answer it the way that he thought people would want him to answer it.

Well, I thought it was good that he made the early distinction between fumbles and interceptions, because he's right. You shouldn't fumble the ball, and that is part of what they focus on. That's true. Yeah. He's never, you should never, you shouldn't be okay

with fumbles. Right, that makes sense. But the interception, he was trying to sort of get there and then he just couldn't, he couldn't give, but I'm never going to be okay with the reception.

Yeah, and every driving a kick. You're right. Yeah, like, I was driving in, I was driving the speed limit, promise.

And yeah, I just like, I was like snapping in the car. Like, Jeffrey Lurie doesn't want to hear. Yeah. And I imagine Jeffrey was like, all right,

we're getting ready for the spring. I'm going to go somewhere very fancy. Get on my yacht. and going to have a great summer. Who knows what I'm going to get into, feeling good. What does he get me into? I don't know. Who knows?

He's feeling good. And then all of a sudden he gets the quote sheet that Nick said that, and all of a sudden his summer is ruined. The whole six weeks? Are the trips canceled? Definitely not. Yeah, I was going to say. I think he'll be doing plenty of gallivanting.

So I did have a question for you about Jalen. Okay. I posted a video of Jalen yesterday during individual drills. And people are saying that his throwing motion looks different. So Lindsay, Ace producer Lindsay, pulls it up for me. Do you think his throwing motion looks different? No. Neither do I.

Also, that's, you know. This is funny, though. You see him pretending to be the running back? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was funny. I enjoyed that. But that's not. It's like a fadeaway throw.

Yeah. People, there were a lot of people saying, like, that's the Aaron Rogers, like play fake throw motion. I don't know. Sorry to the audio listeners. You've got to tune over to YouTube and see Jalen Hertz's throwing motion this spring. I think it looks the same.

I could see how if you were looking for Aaron Rogers there, you can sort of see it. It doesn't look different to me than what he's done. Maybe this is how he's always looked under center play action. We just have never seen it. That's right. He's been emitting Aaron Rogers. He's just never done it before.

That's fair. All right. What other notes from today's practice if you want to get into the weeds? I mean, come on. I already talked about the Will Interception. Yeah, but you rushed right by it. I want to tell, don't want to tell the story.

The requal and rises up. Well, if you're going to tell the story, you're going to start at the beginning. Where was he born? No, I'm not doing that. You probably have better notes on the play, because I'll be honest with you, I didn't do a great job taking notes on it because I was so excited. We were next to each other, but I don't always watch practice near each other, but we were standing right next to each other.

And the second that requal and rises up, it was a good interception. Like he got up in the air for it, gets the interception. I just turned directly and look you right in the face. Bow hits me in one of these. He just goes, please. Fine. You were so done with me. I'm not done with you.

I'm just getting started. You know, I'm not, I hold, excuse me. I don't know what that means. I, I don't, I'm not going to take a victory lap on the fact that, before OTAs. I said I'm buying a reekwill in stock, but listen, it's had a great spring. One of the standout performers in the thing is, is it too soon

for a requal and to be included in the top 26 sequels of the 2000s? You know? I actually think I think he has a case. Interception in the spring. I don't know. It's a good case to be made. You know, more natural catcher of the football than Cunningham Mitchell.

That's all I'll say. Yeah, there was a very funny at the end of practice. For whatever reason, they go back to individual drills, and they're doing, like, Jalen and Cole Payton are just, like, tossing up these balls on the sideline. Yeah. And first the wide receivers come through,

but then, like, everybody on defense comes through. They're just, like, getting a rep, catching a ball down the field. And at first I was really, like, when the defensive lineman got there, I was like, what are we doing? This is a waste of time. Yeah. But then it became fun. It was, like, fun to watch each guy.

It did become fun. Yeah. And then, you know, so Quignan, puts on a really nice release. at the line, a little shuffle, but then you can really, like, you can just see him fight. He caught it, but he was really, like, fighting the ball.

And Rick Gwlin was a receiver, so, yeah, he got, and Rick Wulin had the nice, like, toe tap. Quinion, catching that football. Cooper's being, obviously, looks very natural. Cooper looked so fluid catching the football, and then Quinnion, it's just, like, it's so funny that, like, I mean, Quinion's a great athlete,

but most of his athleticism, almost all of his athleticism, has been funneled into being a cornerback, like, All of the most difficult position to play, most people will tell you. Yes. Quinion is excellent at it. So it's funny to watch him, like, try to catch a football over his shoulder.

He just doesn't know how to do it. So I enjoyed that. It's like, you know, it was like, honestly, it's kind of like when you watch. Felix looks great doing it. Yeah, go ahead. It's like when you watch, like, a professional athlete play golf when they haven't played golf before. Yeah. That's kind of like watching Quinnian catch a football, which is crazy to say.

But, yeah, he's just not a natural catcher of the football. All right. What are other notes from today? Let's see here I'll say there was a period where Requelin was not in with the first in defense and I thought it was a little bit notable that Jonathan Jones was the guy who got that rep

Yeah I did not make note of that did you go through the offensive line depth chart yet Not from today Okay Did you have it? I believe so Okay So the starters as you would expect Then with a two is Drew Kendall did practice today

So that was notable and he was at left guard, not at center. So we talked about that, I think, the first day of OTAs. That's where he was, and notable that, you know, they're taking a look at him there. And you go, also, Markell Bell was not practicing today. Yeah. And he is injured. So you go, Fred Johnson at left tackle, after he's been at right tackle for most of the

spring, then Kendall, then Jake Majors, then Micah Morris, and then Jonojuquu at right tackle. And then went to threes, you have Holland Pierce at left tackle, Miles Hinton at left guard, Willie Lampkin at center, Michael Morris at right guard again, and John O'Juku at right tackle again. There you go. Yeah. A little thing, Michael Morris potentially ahead of Miles Hinton? Maybe not. It's because he was playing right and Hinton's just been playing left, I think.

Yeah. Candle at guard was interesting to me. I mean, not to say like... Just that they're doing it again. Yeah. Yeah, it'd be interesting to the monitor going into the training camp. Now, we haven't seen a lot of him this spring. Yeah. Reps relatively low.

But there was a period of practice today where Colt Payton was cooking. I must have not taken notes on that period. It was the last team drill. Okay. Back to back, nice completions down the middle of the field. One of them was two. the tryout player Davis, the wide receiver.

Oh, yeah. The other trial player, Ford Wheaton, had a very nice catch in traffic. So good close to the spring for Colpayton. You know what? I do have nice throw on a dagger out. Like right through traffic in the middle of the field. I did not. I didn't do a good job.

Yeah, you know, I do. Now that I'm looking at my notes, nice tight window throw. Or no, that was Tanner McKee toward the end of practice. He had a tight window throw. I think you and I disagreed on if we liked that throw. I think you were saying yes, he was too far in the progression. Yeah, I like the thread of it in there, though. Okay.

All right, what else you got? Anything else? That was most of my... Geeling Carter, just to check the box, continued to not take part in team drills. Was I too dismissive of that yesterday? Nick was asked about it. Said he doesn't have to answer that.

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Never heard of him. It looks like... Let me guess. A lot of money. His average annual value... New money average is how they're presenting it. 64 million a year. Okay. So it's basically a new extension that's predicted.

A lot of money. Pay him $500 million over the next eight seasons. It's a two-year extension. Nice. Okay. Jaylen's probably looking at that. All right. Anything else on practice before we get to everybody else?

I think that was pretty much all my notes. It was a relative. This was a lighter practice. Family day. Family day. about all of the scares we had. No, but there were a lot of good looking little tiny babies. Oh, I wanted to hold those babies.

I was on Stroller Watch today. That was on Baby Watch. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Give me those babies. Great families. I saw Eli Sauer's family, I believe. I mean, I saw a lot of people's families, but Eli Sauer's family is new to the group.

So I saw them. Yeah. I mean, it's funny, like with the, they played there, they had team on the closer field to us. and close to the families, the speed of the game when it comes at you, like unexpectedly. Especially on an incomplete pass when that ball bounces.

There were a couple close calls. You realize how hard those guys throw in a way that, like, you know, you don't always get that feel for that. It looks like we have some Jalen Hertz quotes trickling in now. Well, let's gather them and bring them to you on the other side

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What's Brewing? Presented by Wawa! Tell me what have you heard from Jalen Hertz? All right. So this is from... Let's start with the one from our friend, Zach Berman. Never heard him.

Jalen hurts on how OTAs went. I thought it was a really good spring to be able to onboard another new system. Ooh, I don't know that I've ever heard, Jalen say the word on board. On board a new system. I'm getting into corporate speak? Could be a red flag.

You think he's going to, no, I shouldn't make my corporate speak. I don't think we're going to leverage this. Tell us your favorite corporate speak. Let us know your least favorite bit of corporate jargon in the chat, please. To be able to onboard another new system, put it all together, lay a foundation, I'm encouraged by that.

I'm encouraged by what we were able to put in. Shout out to our friend, Zach Berman. You know what? I am going to do this now while we're talking about Zach. While we were waiting in the auditorium. Dangerous final sentence, but go ahead. We were talking about, you know, a player potentially like retiring early

or retiring after their playing career, just not working and you I mean everybody here knows that Zach is like I just couldn't imagine doing that I couldn't imagine like what are you going to do with all your time if you're not working and we were saying like listen like if you've got generational wealth you find new things find new interest and you don't have to work and he I don't even remember how I finished the sentence because I started laughing so hard he was just like you know I spoke to Steve Kerr about this how are you feeling right now I don't have anything I wasn't a part of the conversation I don't have anything to add to the conversation I spoke to Steve Kerr about this I spoke to

Steve Kerr about this and everybody's just like, oh, nice, Zach, flex. Good flex. Then you're flexing about having a talk with him. You think I'm flexing? He's not here to defend it. This is what are we doing? I mean, it's fine. It's fine.

I'm not, we love Zach, which is why we. I don't even know who you're talking about. Shout out to Zach. Who spoke to Steve Kerr. Shout out Ed. Shout out, yes, but shout out to Zach. He's no Ed. I've never seen a meat pick from him. They're different people.

They both have their... I mean, honestly, Zach is way more impactful my life than Ed. No offense to Ed. Anyway. I mean, I'll take the offense from Ed on Ed's behalf. Jalen hurts on A.J. Brown's perspective that, you know, on how their relationship changed. Okay. Jalen says,

I'm not in the place to challenge anyone's perspective on anything. Seemingly so, it was A.J.'s perspective that things changed. Jaylen says that's where I am I've always been focused on the collective I've always put my energy toward that as a leader I've always put an onus on giving maximum effort

to achieve the shared mission we have on the team so didn't really want to get into it he also said about he was asked about the ESPN story that characterized him as like uncoachable yeah he said I've never really asked for an opportunity to respond

to anything so just let it live and go do my job yeah he also said he did not change the play uh the final play against the 29ers interesting so i think those are all financers and i think those are i think those are those are good signs you know like i remember the remember what was it before the 24 season when tim also had an article right during training camp right and it was you know it was about galen calling uh wink Martin Dale and all that stuff. And Jalen was much more

combative about that. And brisk about it. He was like, why are we asking? Why is this relevant, essentially? And, you know, Tim did a very good job holding up his end of the bargain there. But I thought that was, now, listen, I'm saying that I did like that as much and then they won the Super Bowl, so it doesn't really matter.

Right. But I kind of like, I think this is fine. This is who Jailen is. And I asked Nick today about, you know, he's been around. Jalen for so long. He's seen him when he is the reigning Super Bowl MVP and people are gassing him up. And he's seeing him now when people are doubting

what he can do in this offense and without A.J. Brown and what is he as a leader? Like, do you think that Jalen relishes that more? And, you know, he's a Michael Jordan guy. Does he take the slights and use the slites? And what Nick said is actually the opposite is that he's just, what he appreciates is that he doesn't change. He is consistent the whole time.

I think there are probably some peaks and valleys within that. That it's not exactly the same thing. But Jalen is not going to change who he is or the way that he approaches his job truly based on what anybody else says. I don't really, I don't believe that he is completely divorced from hearing the stuff. I think he is very aware of what is being said. but I do believe that it doesn't really affect the way he goes about his business. Yeah, I think he is aware of the conversation and I think he does use it. I mean, he acknowledges that he uses it as motivation and as fuel.

I think that Nick's answer makes sense, especially he's like speaking publicly about it, but I think it's clear if you've seen Jalen Hertz's career play out, he does respond well to being doubted. And it seems like he, honestly, I would say like he thrives when there's adversity. And I think like, I think he smiles more when he's been like, you know, I think he's had more fun this spring than he did last spring when it's like he feels like he has to be the one tamponing down on or having such a good time because the mission is the mission. And I got to make sure everybody's taking it seriously and not just celebrating the fact that we won the Super Bowl.

Yeah, it's almost like he enjoys like dragging the group. up to the middle. Yeah. Instead of being the one that has to, yeah, like weigh it down when things are going well. Yeah, I think what's interesting as, you know, we've obviously covered Jalen a long time now. And you mentioning like that he's unwavering in the way he, he's unwavering in his approach. I think that comes from like just a real intentionality about what that approach is and what that approach looks like.

Like, of course he's not going to change how he approaches things. Sure. because of one thing because like he he's spent so much time considering who he has become. You know what I mean? Like he's like he's got a real conviction in the way that he does it because of the work that he's put in to be that person. I think that that's cool. Interesting.

And then I'll close the book on what's brewing presented by Wawa. Shout out to Wawa. Shout out to Wawa. Tell me about TAYWix, what he had to say. Yeah. So TAYWix said that him and Devante Smith will compliment each other well because they are both smooth route runners. He said that can be really tough on a defense.

You know, he's obviously said he was very familiar with Devante. They're both from Louisiana. So they had a connection that way before even. I guess he said that right when he joined the Eagles is when they touch base. But, you know, there's a mutual respect there. He talked about the versatility that the receiving core has and how that should be an asset. But I did find it interesting and I appreciated him being honest about the fact that like, I don't think he has a great feel

for what the scheme is going to look like quite yet. Interesting. Yeah. Given that he's coming over with him. But yeah. Yeah. But that's the thing is that he, the question was like how are you the one that's like helping translate

because this is like a scheme you've been in? And he was like, I'm asking just as many questions as anyone else. So. Okay. Yeah, I think that, you know, probably pushes back on the idea.

We've talked before like you can't just use Packers' stats as like and all be all for what the Eagles offense will look like. It seems like Tay Wicks is kind of saying the same thing where it's like, this isn't just the Packers offense brought to Philadelphia. I forgot to mention something with UR. Bernard. Okay. He did say something that elicited laughter from, I'd say, 35% of the room.

Okay. He did mention that he wants to keep the main thing, the main thing. Really? Yes. So. Like with a smile? No. He was being serious, but I mean, it just goes to show you how long.

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the time, a Cam Juergens press conference or a Cam Juergens media scrum is not the most electric thing in the world. I don't know about that. That's neither here or there. I think he's, you know, and I think that there is, you know, we have learned about a lot of what he was playing through last season over the course of the last couple months in some of his media interviews. And I think it's probably a very human thing to be a little bit cranky when you're,

that banged up? For sure. I know I am. And I don't know if it was just, you know, the last day of school mentality today, just a general exhaustion, or if he was just far in all cylinders. Yeah. But boy, did I enjoy Cam Juergens' press conference today. I thought, oh, my, I was, there were like three or four times where I almost started busting out laughing.

Very funny stuff. Yeah. my favorite was everybody wants to know about his trip to Columbia and he follows suit of Lennon Dickerson and he gets the experimental treatments

and I believe we have a quote graphic for this he said stem cells has been going on for a long time now fantastic stuff yeah he was very funny just about it like he's like I'm not a doctor

but they're like I feel better and you can tell he feels better I'm going to say his energy was different. I think, you're right, it could have been the, I mean, it is kind of like schools out. You know, he's got the ice cream up there, right? At the end of the press conference,

desperate to try and get a bite of the ice cream. Well, it's family day, so they had an ice cream truck come. Yeah. He was eating his ice cream. And I'll tell you what. I would have been wrong if I had to guess what his favorite flavor was.

He seemed happy. He seemed like a lot happier. Um, I, so he said that he feels a lot better. Although, never mind. Yeah, let's just, let's just focus on how it's feeling. He said he feels a lot better. Um, but then he also mentioned that like the stem cell, he's like the thing about the stem cell treatment is like, you don't know if it's, if you're feeling better because of that or just from the time off. But I think in general, I mean, we've talked about it a lot.

Like he spent all of last offseason rehabbing. And then this year, he's been able to. able to train, you know, just strength and conditioning and, you know, focus on his body. You know, Chris Cooper mentioned it a couple of days ago, too. Like, offensive linemen need the offseason to work on their body and improve their strength. So, yeah, I think it's encouraging. If for no other reason, then he does seem like a weight is lifted off. And I mean, again, like, you can only imagine, like, we all know, well, most of us who

have had back pain, though, like, it's stabilitating it. It affects everything you do from the minute you wake up before you have to, like, roll over and get out of bed, you're already in pain, and you have to figure out, like, how am I going to navigate this? So, yeah, I think that if you're hoping to see a healthier version of Cam Juergens, I think today was an encouraging day. He was also probably even more so than any of the other offensive linemen we talked to, really excited about the scheme. Yeah.

It felt. You're talking about how he's, like Lane, they've sort of envied this offense for a while, but in addition to the idea of them getting better angles and being a little bit less predictable and using in theory his athleticism more and getting him in the open field, the thing that it sounded like he was most excited about is just that in the past,

maybe they've been a little bit dependent on figuring out what the defense is in and responding to that. whereas now he feels like they can be the one actually dictating terms to the defense and you would think for a center that's nice because it means you have to be a little bit less worried about what's coming necessarily if you are the one who they have to react to.

Yeah, I mean, I guess if you think about it from like a very fundamental point of view, A, we've talked about like how on the inside zone runs a lot of times it's Cam Juergens and the guard working up to the linebacker and how that can be complicated, especially because it is something where you're making contact with the defense to tackle,

you're working up, and then you have to read and react, and you have to get those right. You know, at the outside zone, it seems like it's a little more straightforward for those guys. But then also, like, if you're running more play action, like, as an offensive lineman, that's great news for you, you know, because that is, like, just be aggressive,

get downhill and, you know, make contact with somebody instead of backtracking all the time. So I do think it's an easier scheme for an interior offensive lineman overall. And he described it in a way that made it feel like, it gives you a bit of a peek into the way that the offensive line feels like I think they've been portrayed, which is that he says in this offense,

it's really much more about all 11 players being a part of the play and working and doing the same way, which makes sense. If everybody is involved in the misdirection, that takes a little bit of the weight off of the offensive line, as opposed to in the past where it was sort of like, you five guys do the blocking, we'll figure out the other stuff, and we're putting a lot of onus on you.

We'll see if that is actually how it turns out to look. Yeah. But it's something, it explains part of why I think that group is excited. Yeah, absolutely. One thing, as we're talking about why these guys are excited

that I don't think we hit on from yesterday, and you talking about this made me think about it. Like, Lane Johnson mentioning that the best versions of the system, it's like you start the game with a lot of wide zone, but then you get to like the gap scheme, like overpowering stuff later in the game as you wear a team down. Oh, interesting.

I thought that was a really interesting note from him. Like, you know, because we've heard from Fran talk about like how, you know, the Rams will run more duo and the Rams obviously like have really leaned into like heavy personnel packages. Kind of like that idea. Yeah. You know, and it really, especially if you are like Jeffrey Lorry and, you know, I as someone, you know, now I'm going to be like Zach and be like someone who spoke like I, I remember

I did the Q&A with Joe Banner at the Inquirer. And like I heard so many times from him about like you throw to get the lead and you run to win the game. And I know like Jeffrey Lurie and Joe Banner and see the game similarly in a lot of ways. So I know that that's something that Jeffrey Lurie will care about. I could see that being like a real selling point for him. Right. It's like you're going to start the game with like a wide zone system where it's a lot of play action, a lot of misdirection. You're going to tire out the defense.

And then you're going to just tee off in the fourth quarter when you have a lead. I think that aligns with the way the Eagles like to play football. I think that's right. I think that's a good one. Lindsay has a picture of Cam Jergens that she might want to share. He also had a very funny moment where he was talking about the way

you can see his ice cream there. The way the terminology is different. Actually, was it about the terminology or about the blocking schemes? He said the terminology. The apple thing? Yeah, asparagus. No, he was talking about the...

He was clearly very hungry. The asparagus thing was about the terminology. Yeah. The word of spares. Asparagus could mean 20 different things. Based on a different offense. Like, okay. But the apple thing was about, I think, the blocking techniques.

Yeah, you can cut an apple. You've been cut an apple so many different ways. And then all of a sudden, someone shows you a new way to cut an apple. You're like, ugh. You didn't do that, but more or less. I thought Olivia. Olivia Reiner asked him, our friend, Olivia Ryan, a friend of the pod, my personal friend. Now, her I do know, yeah.

I feel bad. The award-winning journalist. The writer that has emerged, but it's still emerging. She asked Cam a great question about... He said yes. About the like the trade-off of becoming a Super Bowl champion, but causing what we can honestly say is irreparable damage to your back in the process. Like Cam mentioned today, like, you know, for all of... for as good as he seems to feel now,

he did mention that like, every football player is going to deal with chronic pain. That was his answer to like, are you going to deal with chronic pain for the rest of your career, basically? So I think that he will still have to deal with some of that stuff. And Olivia asked him, like, is that tradeoff worth it in hindsight?

You know, the fact that, like, you made that sacrifice, but now you live with it two years later. Yeah. Obviously, like Cam Juergens probably would take it because of the fact that he wins a Super Bowl. but honestly, like, and Elliot, not to, you know, just air out all of the conversations we had in the auditorium, but Elliot made a good point. Like, they won those two games in blowouts. Like, is there an inkling of, like, could they have won the game without me?

Yeah. If I prioritize part of it, you know. Yeah. I think he probably would make the trade again. He just talked about his perspective is, do I feel better than I did a week ago? Didn't really want to get into the big picture of it, which is understandable. You know, he's still in his career, and I'm sure he's hoping that this year he feels. great and it's behind him but it is an interesting trade-off it's like you know you celebrate these guys

when they when in the moment when they play through something that that rigorous and that difficult to play through but there's a real cost a long-term cost and you're seeing that for camp jerkins well said yeah all right what else you got today um hated the music today uh yeah it was it started off fun and then it just got bad well maybe it was a family day thing maybe they played full Florida Georgia line. And like, I mean, maybe in like 2015, some Florida Georgia line was like, okay, like I'll listen to that even though.

I mean, I don't just like country music, but it's 2026. We're still playing crews by Florida Georgia Line at practice? Eh, I'm out on that. Okay. And ACDC. I like ACDC. I played, I played music.

I played ACDC songs in a band in high school. There's nothing wrong with ACDC. I like them. But every practice, we have to get like the same two or three ACDC songs. And you know it's Nick Siriani. You just know it's him. It has to be. It's always at the start of team. Because Thunderstruck is played every single practice.

Yes. It must be a demand. I just... It must be. Again, I like ACDC. I just... I never want to hear that song at Eagles practice. Put a different ACDC song on.

Yeah, mix it up. I can't put Thunderstruck every single day. If you're Jalen Hertz, like, what is your reaction to this? Like, I guess he's probably always so focused. No, he's got to turn out the noise. He's so focused on everything else. I just, I don't want to hear.

Maybe that's why AJ does man of the trade. Maybe that's the reason. He's just tired of ACDC. Yeah. What do you make of the AJ signing whatever it was, best to ever do it thing? Um, it's definitely like, it's a lot. Yeah.

It's a lot. That's a lot. But it's on brand for AJ. And come on. I like, I think the thing about it that's tough is he had to have like met. No, not had to. He has met Mike Quick. He's friendly with Mark.

Like he. Best to ever do it. He should like you would like. You had one who left. You would like to have some deference to those guys. That's crazy talk. They are great guys. Not even if they were bad guys, but still.

And you would think that you would be more like, you know, go take my shoes, Devante. Like, you know, like. Yeah. How about like, keep it up guys? Give the always open sign to Devante. I think that would have been like a nice, like, gesture, like, this is your room now or something like that. Or just, uh, closed. Well, they're now closed.

I think if he had given the sign to Devante, that would have been nice. But yeah, to write the best to ever do it. Best to ever do it. And then on your way out? Very bizarre. I think he should have done the like, don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happens. Absolutely.

That would have been fine. He would have done the opposite. Like, that's a Sabrina Carpenter song. Don't cry because, what is it? You cry because it's over, basically. That's what Sabrina Carpenter's song is. Yeah. I've butchered that. Don't smile because it happened, cry because it's over.

That's what AJ would have written. Right, it's something. Just write, Jalen sucks. Whatever you want to write, but best to ever do it. Is that what you're going to write? Come on. When you go on vacation? I'll tell you what I'm going to write in overtime.

I don't know. Most mid to ever do it. Most mid to ever do it? No. Middest. Best host in the city. Middest to ever do it. You should have said, Thunderstruck ruined it for me.

Thunderstrike, yeah, exactly. Yeah, at least now I don't have to listen to Thunderstruck. I just need a little break from it. I like ACDC again. I'm not, this isn't about ACDC. I just need a break from the same three songs at every practice. Yeah, they're, the ACDC has a lot of good songs. Yeah, they do.

Play any other one one time, please. Yeah, we don't get, we don't get back in black as much as we used to. Yeah, we still get back in black. It's those two. Those are the only two we get. I remember. I mean, I'll take a shook me all that long. I'll take a shoot to thrill or whatever.

Like, yeah. When I, I, one day, you know how sometimes you gotta walk past like the wall of speakers to get somewhere on the practice field. Yeah.

One day I was walking by them when I was in the danger zone. And back in black started immediately as I got in like the worst spot. Yeah. I jumped. Like I legitimately thought something terrible was happening to me. Um, good song. We,

do we get, I guess we do get hell's bells every now and then. Yeah, that one's not as, it's just understruck at the start. It's not as, a beat. Yeah.

Just give us a little break. I mean, it's got to be a thing. It's got to be Nick's favorite song or something. Who else has enough juice to get the same song played every day? It's not Jalen. I know it's not Jalen. Jalen. Jalen has that juice, but it's not Jalen.

It's definitely not Jailin. Oh, speaking of juice. Damien Pierce. A little giddy-up today. A little giddy-up today. Yeah, a little giddy-up. Lane. Lane hasn't been there.

We haven't even talked about the most important thing that happened in practice today 61 minutes in we're finally getting to the most important thing of practice This is one oh is this BJ? No, the brand jonesi You guys man you always have your heads in the gutter I'm over here absolutely giggling you know you say the three Fs you're saying food family and what and I didn't say anything I didn't I didn't I didn't say anything inappropriate.

Yeah, but it was implied. Ladies and gentlemen, oh, yeah. He's back. He's back. He's back. That's right. Marlon Tuwi Poloto

was at practice today. Big Mar. In Jersey. Number 78. 78. I'm imagining as a practice player, a tri-out player today, but I think they actually

could use some defensive tackle depth. They could. I would not be surprised. to see Marlin on the training camp roster, and boy, was it good to see that square-shaped body on the defensive line again. No, our friend Olivia Ryan said rectangle. That's right.

Because she, there was a good pedantic correction by Olivia. By a rectangle. By the award-winning Olivia. That's what makes her emerging is that she's... She could be more patantic than you. Pay attention to that stuff. But the upper body is really a square. I mean, the degree to which his shoulders really are sort of right angle.

fantastic stuff. I like Marlon too, man. Squatty. Yeah, they could use Marlon. I really, I mean, I like him as a player, which defies my type of guy. But I like him as a guy, too. No, it doesn't. Because your type of guy is a human being.

I mean, listen, you know what it is? I don't have one type. You just love all people. I do. I love everybody. Except, who don't I love? I better say it soon. I can pick a one.

Because, yeah, you're going to fill in the blank. Max Claire. I didn't like Max Claire. Yeah, the blinds. Everybody involved in the blindside. I didn't like Max Claire. Wasn't a fan. That's not my guy.

Honestly, you know, Olivia was teasing me about E.J. Jenkins. I like E.J. Jenkins. Obviously, we share a name, but I'm pulling, you know what? I'm not pulling for anybody. But we all know. You're pulling on him. I'm keeping an eye on Cam Latu. He's got a lot of first team reps this spring.

Sure. there was one day too where he was open on a deep crosser and jalen didn't throw out to him i saw i noticed yeah probably not even in the progression that was that was what jimmy and i were watching the play together and he's like watching where like the where jalen's actually looking and where the ball's going and i'm just over here like oh latu's open i remember that yeah so big training camp coming for tam latu big marl big marl i like big marr big mar Mar? Yeah,

Big Mar. Now that's, now that's a great nickname. But that's still a nickname, right? Well, you get the big in there, so that's a nickname. Big Mar.

Tay Wicks. Tay Wicks. Tewicks a good name. Good nickname. That's a sentence. Tate Wicks? Yeah. I think Wick is a verb.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Boister wicking. Yeah. Lindsay, man. I've been spending too much time with Bo. She's become such, like, a sicko.

I mean, I literally have to watch our show every day. Queen of the sickos. Give us six months. And we will turn you. What happened to you? Like, you're over there. Like, oh, his name was a full sentence. Six months working here.

You said it so many times today. And I was trying to be like, oh, like, how could I turn that into like, he said, if you say big moral, then it's the nickname. So I was like, how do we move that around? It's crazy. It's crazy. It was the name guide. I think the name guide is what made her a true sicko. I think we can all be happy for that.

Especially Maximus Pully. Big day tomorrow. The Eagle's own gooner. Big day tomorrow. Another day. No, it's not. It's your birthday. Everybody needs to wish Bo a happy birthday tomorrow.

But let's gear up. Let's get ready. No, right at midnight. Yeah, at him. Yeah, at him. Yeah. Tweet it up. Yeah, well, if you tweet at him, he's not going to see it.

We got to figure out how are how can people blow up your your Instagram? Do you have Instagram? We'll give out his number. I won't do that post an all just post your number. There was that guy who wanted your number. Um, no thanks. Do you have your email? Your emails just I'll put your email out there.

What? Just don't do that post on his Instagram messages Instagram. Wish him happy birthday right at midnight. No. Yes. Don't do that. Just comment on the video at midnight. Well, yeah, that would help us out more.

But no, I want you to be annoyed. I want you to be inconvenienced. I'm not going to, I'm going to be asleep. By the love of everybody, all the sickos out there. I'm an old man. You're not old. You're young at heart. We had a...

You also just not old. I'm old. You're not. I'm washed, man. You are washed, but you're not old. It's actually the opposite. I'm old, but I'm not washed. Oh, you're definitely washed.

Come on, man. We had a, there was a, uh, we had a, uh, we had a, kind of a coaches game as we returned the equipment for Little League last night fun to get out there get some swings

you know feel a little bit of something like he used to feel but boy was my back oh man so my back's finally good and now yours is hurting what kind of back pain do you get like is it like one side

is it the full lower back right now it's more of just a general like stiffness oh a tightness yeah yeah so it's more like I can't stretch that out Ben, just bend over. Yeah, and I don't stretch, and I need to stretch. Yeah, that's dangerous game.

You're playing there, buddy. I've never stretched. I mean, I've made it 40 years, you know. Time to start stretching. Yeah, I guess. Some 90-90s, do the, do the one way you're on your back. You pull your knees up to your chest, and you, like, stretch out, like, your lower back. And then if you really are feeling dangerous, you could, like, kind of go side to side and, like, massage your lower back that way.

You, you, me and Sheel will text about back stuff. Lindsay again well thanks about back stretches are those are there picks included there are no picks in that chat no picks listen I've known she a long time

he's always been a back guy not touching that one at all staying away from that comment all right that'll do it for the PHY Eagles podcast for EJ and Lindsay thank you for watching

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