PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles moves: BREAKING DOWN Fred Johnson’s re-signing, Elijah Moore’s addition | PHLY EAGLES PODCAST

Episode Date: March 25, 2026

Does Elijah Moore’s signing make it more likely the Eagles keep A.J. Brown? Does Fred Johnson re-signing change the team’s plans in the draft? EJ Smith and Bo Wulf are joined by special guest Miles Johnson to discuss the latest Eagles news, Jalen Hurts’ opportunity next year, and much more. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome the PHLY Eagles podcast on a Wednesday afternoon live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley Bull Wolf, E.J. Smith. We got a special guest today, E.J., it's kind of like, you know, we've got to like put our folded, clean laundry that hasn't been put away, like away. Oh, you're like straight up the house. You know, straighten things up because we got a guest here. Real talk with MJ's MJ. MJ. How you doing? How you doing, Bo, E.J. So pleasure to be on here. Let's get it. Talk some birds. We got to be good hosts here. I was going to say, you're being a lot like my mom was when I was a kid.

To me, my rebuttal would be like, MJ is already like family. Okay, we didn't need to straighten up. We didn't need to, you know, get everything situated. The speakers are a little loud today. I can't put out a little charcutory board, you know. No, no. This is real talk with MJ. We got to be real. We got to be real. We got to be real. Keep it on the J there, MJ. Well, it's going to be a lot of a little bit of a. a bit of a beef here between EJMJ. No, you're already starting to stir the pie. Here we go.

No, vote in the chat. What letter do you like better? E or M. And tell us that. How about you decide? Let's do a poll. Let's do a poll. E versus M who you got.

Or do you like B.O. Come on. Bo. Yeah. All right. MJ, let's, for the sickos of this show, who may be unfamiliar. Tell us a little bit about real talk with MJ where they can find you. Yeah.

So I started real talk. July 2020 and missed a COVID got sent back home early from school. I was at Morehouse College and just thought, you know, let me just start my own thing, my own platform and kind of like not wait for an internship or another opportunity. Kind of just started for my myself. So it's been amazing and learned post-production and how to edit, quickly learned, hey, start a podcast, you got to, you know, it doesn't this happen with just a snap of a finger. has a whole production that does the editing and graphics and all of that. So you can find me at Real Talk with MJ on TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and again, I'm blessed to be here.

And I've definitely saw a lot of your pieces and your articles for years on the Eagles. And Bo, your work with BG, that's my guy. So, no, it's a pleasure to be here. Appreciate that. Yeah, we're excited to have you. Very nice to have you. And listen, I mean, as a journalism professor over here, I think the thing that...

Well, I think the thing that you would tell people, right, is you want to get in the business, start doing the job that you want. Absolutely. And you're a testament to that. Thank you. Okay. Well, we have some Eagles news to talk about.

So we're going to lean into you here, MJ, we're going to talk about as we go on, the players who are under the most pressure this season, maybe a little bit of why Jalen Hertz is so polarizing and some other things. But we do have some Eagles news to discuss. So let's start E.J. with the return of Fred John.

What did you make of this and tell us the details? Yeah, so the Eagles are signing Fred Johnson to a one-year contract. They are bringing back an important piece of their offensive line depth. You know, I don't, maybe you wouldn't call it a big signing, but it's an important signing because of the value that they place on that swing tackle position, the first tackle off the bench. And honestly, it's a signing. I didn't know if they were going to be able to pull off going into free agency.

You know, I talked to Fred Johnson at the end of the year, and he made it clear that he didn't plan on coming back to the Eagles if Lane Johnson didn't retire. He felt like his play was strong enough last season filling in for Lane Johnson at right tackle that he felt like he'd get a starting opportunity elsewhere. Obviously that didn't really materialize for him. And last year he learned the hard way that the grass isn't always greener, right? You know, he signs with the Jacksonville Jaguars thinking he would get an opportunity to start. And he obviously wound up on the trade block going into the cut down day there.

So I think for that reason, it makes sense for him to come back if his market didn't materialize the way expected. and for the Eagles it is, it's a significant signing as they try to rebuild their offensive line depth. It's an interesting one, and I think your read is probably exactly right. My guess here is the Eagles told Fred Johnson go figure out what your market is and then come back to us if you want and we'll be here.

But just from A, and I discuss this on the video that's up on our YouTube page, from like an expectation standpoint of there's going to be some kind of scheme change on the offensive line that they're going to want some more athletic guys as opposed to just the big guys, It's an interesting return for Fred Johnson, but it is also like a priced in level of play.

You know that he's incompetently. Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like you're just, you're not as confident in. I know there's still guys out there on the market that would have made sense for them, but he's a known commodity in the Eagles building. And for that reason, I think it makes sense.

Honestly, I'll be curious what you guys think, but I felt like Fred Johnson did play well enough to earn a starting opportunity somewhere else. So I think the fact that Eagles were able to bring him back and make him, again, the first tackle off the bench. If you're the Eagles, even though I take we're point. Like his movement skills, his ability to kind of, you know, seal the edge on an outside zone run might not be one of his strong suits. He's still, again, probably better than what you'd

expect from most backup tackles. How do you feel about a Fred Johnson? I'm a big fan, a big Fred, I think like, when you talk about guys that are just beloved in the locker room, you just see it when Jordan Maylada got the call or, you know, heard that Fred Johnson's coming back. He was super hype and I think that continuity in the offensive line is huge because Jeff Stoughtlin and he's gone so you would love to just have some continuity of all the players Lane Johnson coming back Land Dickerson his question is he going to retire he's coming back got Cam Juergens Jordan Maylotta and Big Fred I mean in 2024 he started six games and a big part of that was Jordan Maylata on IR yeah and then in 2025 Lane Johnson

and he's missed a bunch of time and then Fred started eight games there. And I felt like he did a pretty good job in place for a hall of faith. He's done it on both sides, which is the important thing as the swing guy for sure. And last thing, over the past two seasons, he has over a thousand snaps with the Eagles.

So he has a bunch of experience. You can rely on him, you know, in a big game, he's going to deliver, in my opinion. I look at that Rams game when Matt Pryor was in for a couple, A couple of snaps. Yes.

And the Eagles were struggling, struggling to get a first down. Like, it was like pulling hair just to get a first down. That's right. Yeah. They put in Fred Johnson and immediately the offense just gets better. So he's a guy, I'm a big fan. Yeah, and he's done it against some of the top edge rushers too. Fair point.

Obviously, Trey Hendrickson in 2024 against the Bengals is the big one. But, I mean, just off the top of my head, like Aidan Hutchinson, I feel like he was he like Aidan Hutchinson's in that game against the Lions. So he's had some high-level competition as well, and he's managed himself quite well. He's also one of the guys who like talks up, stouts, influence on him more than almost anybody else. Like he was sort of lost to the wind as an NFL journeyman. But he still, I mean, he's only 29 years old. I am surprised that he didn't get. So you do this. Like he's, he turns 29 in June. Yeah, he's 29 years old. It's going to be a 29-year-old player. I think we've covered that extensively now, but just wanted to note, turns 29 in June.

We're talking about the 2026 season. He's a 29-year-old. Okay, that's fair. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Just factually, he's not a 29-year-old. Well, factually, as a football player, he's a 29-year-old. I see, I see. But I also think that last off-season was instructive here, too. The league just doesn't seem to feel the same way about Fred Johnson that people who follow the Eagles feel. It will be interesting to see if this, if this trend continues, right? Because I think that some of it with Fred Johnson is the fact that he is part of the Jeff Stoutland ecosystem. You know, I think that there is a healthy skepticism with players that have excelled under Jeff Stoutland,

not necessarily translating to other systems. It'll be interesting to see if that's an Eagles thing or if that's a Jeff Stoughtland thing over the next couple of years. So does the return of Fred Johnson, EJ, change the way you feel about how the Eagles may address the position in the draft? Yeah, I'm glad you asked. It doesn't change anything for me in terms of how they should. approach the draft. You know, Fred Johnson's on a one-year contract. I think you feel good about the fact that now you don't need to force drafting a tackle prospect in the first round if you don't feel like the board falls that way for you. But I think the tackle that you're drafting in the first round of the draft,

that's succession planning more than it is trying to make sure you have a ready-made prospect. So I think it was good because it allows them some more flexibility. But yeah, I would be surprised if this changes the draft board for them as far as the offensive line in there evaluating. MJ, what are your what are your early expectations for position-wise what the Eagles will do in the draft. Really, I'm looking at offensive line. I think you have to go offense in the first round and the second round. And you're looking at offensive line. Like, a bunch of guys were banged up last season.

And so you got to get younger. I'm looking for the guy to be Lane Johnson's new successor. Yeah. I'm a big fan of Caden Proctor. Y'all talked about that athleticism. He is a freak athlete. I mean, it's a reason why Alabama. had him, you know, catching passes out the backfield.

I mean, he's a freak of nature. And so if you have a situation where maybe you draft a tackle that can also play guard, and if Land Dickson's maybe banged up or you want more from Tyler Steen, and you can have that rookie in there and then maybe a year or two when Lane, you know, hangs it up, then you have, you know, his succession plan. Yeah, absolutely. All right. So Fred Johnson is back, a familiar face.

And now we have a new face joining the Eagles, EJ. what was the other sign in the Eagles made? Yeah, so the Eagles also signed Elijah Moore, former second round pick, wide receiver. It was out of Ole Miss, has bounced around the NFL a little bit, started with the Jets, was like a high volume guy

for the Cleveland Browns for a couple of years, but spent last year primarily or partially, partially with the Buffalo Bills, finished the year on the Denver Broncos practice squad. So there's definitely some interesting connections with this one. Elijah Moore is very close with A.J. Brown has been very open about his struggles with mental health, and Elijah Moore is a main character in that story,

someone who really helped him through that difficult time. And on the flip side, like, AJ was there when Elijah Moore got drafted. AJ was in tears when Elijah Moore got drafted. This is his former roommate at Ole Miss. So there's a strong connection there. I would probably caution against viewing the signing as like an AJ Brown only thing. I don't think this is only about AJ Brown. You look like you disagree.

I think the player is also an intriguing one. I think, you know, him in Hollywood Brown are each. the types of players that, you know, the jet motion stuff, the horizontal stretch stuff, they're good fits for that. I think theoretically they should be good fits for the vertical stretch stuff too. You'd like to think of them as field stretchers. They haven't quite been that in their career, but I do think you're kind of seeing a vision for what that third receiver wants, what should look like in a Sean Manion offense. All right, here's me pouring cold water on the vision of the player. He was with the bills last year. Yeah. A team that desperately needed

wide receiver help and they cut him. Goes on the Broncos practice. squad and couldn't get on the field. Sure. Of the 66 wide receivers in the NFL, who have run 1,500 routes since 2021 when Elijah Moore entered the league, 66. A.J. Brown's number two in yards per route run. Devante's 19. Dead last at 66th is Jahan Dotson.

But 60th is Elijah Moore. And he's run more routes than anybody below him. If you do 2,000 routes, Elijah Moore is dead last. Wide receiver is a position where we sort of know who a guy is. And if you want to make excuses for, okay, he had Zach Wilson throwing to him. I was going to say, I mean, you're using last year as the barometer. But last year is a blip in that argument. That's a five, six year sample, a five-year sample size when he has not been productive.

Last year he had Josh Allen and couldn't be productive. So I think the expectations here for what Elijah Moore will bring to the team need to be pretty low. And that's why I think this signing is way more fascinating because of the A.J. Brown connection. And to me, I actually do read this. as it makes me think it's more likely that AJ Brown will be back. How many turkeys are you increasing on AJ Brown being back based off of Elijah Moore signing? I think that's an important...

I think it's a 20 turkey swing. Oh, you're kidding. You're joking. To me, this signing is about AJ Brown. I think 20 turkeys. So you were at what, like 45 before the 45% chance of miles. Turkeys is a, you know, our translation. It's just percentage. Yeah.

So you were probably at 45 before. You're at 65 because they signed Elijah Moore. Yes. I think that is an overreaction, to say the least. It certainly doesn't hurt that they signed Elijah. It is. It is how he's type. He loves a guy.

He loves a wider receiver who's drafted high. And he's been productive. You know, I use Terrace Marshall and John. Well, I mean, he's been more productive than the types of receivers they usually sign. Like Terrace Marshall and John Ross were the examples that came to mind when they signed him. But he's been more productive than those guys. He has caught 40, 50 passes in the NFL. I know you will say it's because he was a high volume guy in Cleveland.

That's fair. But I think, like, it's, you can overthink this. They're taking a flyer on a guy who had draft pedigree, who was drafted by somebody who works in the front office. It's the type of player that they always add for training camp. I don't think that this is all man. Like, this means AJ staying. I think that that's an overreaction.

It's interesting because I see your point where on the field, do you expect much from Elijah Moore, right? But it's like, all right, but why are you bringing this guy? It's got to be for AJ. I think I'm like in between. There are other guys out there like Elijah Moore. Yeah. I think to choose specifically him.

I think I do read it as an AJ thing. A hundred percent I think how he was looking in. No, I'm sure that the connection to AJ was part of the equation. Like I said, it doesn't hurt. Like if, you know, I was probably at, I mean, I was higher than you want him staying anyway. I was like at 55 that he stays. Maybe I'm at 58 right now.

Like a 3% swing. 20%? I think you're just doing this for fun. I'm not. 20% is a huge swing for us. signing, like, the guy could get cut in training camp. And then... I think he probably will be.

And then what happens? Do you swing 20 turkeys the other way? No. Then how does it make a difference? Because it's, it is indicative of the team being on the same page with AJ, them working together. I don't think that, I don't think, maybe you're a good reporter, so you might know something. But outside of that, I think, I think you can overreact and you can, you could read too far into

this type of signing. Okay. I think so. All right. Like you said, you're a good reporter. You talk to people. So I'll leave space for that. It's not just...

I've followed the team for a long time. I think you can read into these things. Yeah, I just 20 turkeys. I'm not disagreeing that it might change the AJ Brown situation slightly. Having not only one... I mean, it's one of his best friends. And it's not just on the team. It's in the room with him.

I think it could change things, but not significantly. Now, MJ, I think fair to say... AJ's history of working with guys who are his best friends has not always meant that it was going to be kumbaya. Because he wasn't somebody else's draft party. Yeah, that's a percent. So you look at him, it hurts. I like the idea of him just going to traveling draft parties one every year. Like he just like you likes to.

Listen, what better event to be at than a draft party of a guy like seeing his entire life dream come true? Yeah. Like I kind of respect that. I will say like the college roommate thing. That's real. I mean, I have some college. roommates that we're still super tight to this day. Yeah, same.

But it's also what does A.J. value, does he value, you know, getting high percentage of targets and, you know, being in a past happy offense or do you want to be with his homeboy? And it's like, he is going to value the being in like an offense that's more past happy that can get him to Amman Ross, St. Brown type of numbers and Jamar Chase, all of that. I think that's definitely top of mind. But I 100% agree that Howard Roseman made this mood thinking, if there is a chance, I can just see what this looks like with A.J. and Sean Manning.

As I know Sean Manning, he got me thinking to himself, I at least want to try. I at least want to see what this looks like. And on paper, you look at the wide receiver room. You got A.J. right now, Devante. Then you got Elijah Moore and the other brother that they got. Howard Brown. Howard Brown. Darius Cooper as well.

Like, you know. Now you're speaking my language. I mean, come on. I like Darius Cooper. He was cooking during training camp. Now he got to battle with Elijah Moore

and those boys. So yeah, there's multiple layers to it. The last thing I would say is like, the only, again, because I think it changes a little bit, but 20% is what we are arguing about here. AJ has friends on the team already.

Like he's close with Devante Smith. He's close with Cooper to Jean. He was close with Reed Blanketship. There are a lot of people. people in that locker room that he's already close with. He was still willing to and happy to be traded a week ago. I don't think, like, I think Elijah more helps. I don't think it hurts, but like, I don't think AJ woke up this morning to use your, your outline here. I don't think AJ woke up this morning and is like, all right, I'm staying put. We're running this thing back

because they got Elijah Moore. No, I think that's, I think that's right. I think you, your suggestion that this might have been a calculated move from Howie, I agree with that. I do. I just don't think it's a 20% thing. Yeah, well, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not saying. They didn't tell AJ they were signing Elijah Moore and then he finds out they're signing Elijah Moore and he's like, oh yeah, now I want to stay. I'm saying I would imagine that this is the result of a conversation with AJ Moore or AJ Brown.

Yeah, but if you're Elijah Moore and you call AJ Brown, it's not like he probably had tons of options. If he calls AJ and is like, are you staying? I don't think AJ's staying is like, if AJ says no, there's still a chance they're going to trade me. You think Elijah Moore's like, all right, I'm not coming to Philadelphia then. It's probably a win-win for him.

I'm saying I don't think the Eagles sign Elijah more if they aren't trying to mollify AJ to some degree. Okay. We have found the common ground because I would agree with that. I think the Eagles would love to keep AJ Brown. And I think it is more likely that he stays at this point. Welcome to the right side of the 50% turkey. Well, yeah. You're still lower than me now I got my 20 turkey.

Yeah, now you are higher than me. I mean, but that's a big swing, man. All right. Let's take a little break here on the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. On the other side, which three Eagles do we think are under. to the most pressure in 2026. Tell us who you think in the chat. And stay with us.

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possibilities with Xfinity. Learn more at Xfinity.com. Xfinity. Imagine that. Select plans only restrictions apply. Back on the P. H.O. White Eagles podcast, Bo Wolf, E.J. Smith and M.J. of talk with MJ is with us today. MJ, you had a great idea. This is all, this is all you. So let's give the credit where it is due. The three players who we think are the most under pressure

in the 2026 season. And let's do this through the prism of the wah-wah big deal on a Wawa Wednesday. Should we do this as a draft, DJ? I like the idea of a draft. You know, it's always fun to play a game in the off-season. Do you agree that as the hosts, the guests

should go first? Yeah, I agree. I think MJ deserves the first pick. We should clear it out. We should ISO for MJ here. All right, MJ. Which Eagle do you think is under the most pressure in 2026? See, there's a bunch of guys you can go. But I think for the first one, the quarterback is the most important position. You got to go, Jalen Hurts. And it does hurt me a little bit because I feel like he always has to prove something every year. It's always, well, what's next? Well, you got a great season, 2020. You went to the Super Bowl, but you didn't win it.

So you didn't get the job done. Then you win it. And it's like, well, you only had, you know, 2,900-some passing yards. You got to have a great season, you know, passing-wise. And now it's, well, last season, the offense definitely had trouble moving from, like, their own 20-yard line to the opponent's red zone,

new OC, who's super inexperienced. But at the day, the quarterback gets most of the credit, most of the blame. So Hertz, he definitely has to have a comeback year, a monster year. I think he will. Yeah, I think that the money side of it is also something that, you know, really kind of, I guess, informs how much is at stake for Jalen next season. He's at $51 million annual right now.

That press cuts at $60 million. That number just keeps going up and up. And, you know, I know that there's going to be some talk, some speculation about whether or not Jalen will, you know, I guess, go back to the negotiating table. offseason. By next off season, I would expect him to be back at that negotiating table. And his play's going to be a big, you know, a big determining factor on whether or not he's resetting that quarterback market or, honestly, if the Eagles are starting to get at an impasse with him when it comes to that number. So there's a lot at stake. I always like, you know, I'm

always thinking about the money side of things when we do these exercises. And, you know, I think he does have about as much at stake as almost anybody on the roster because of that. I think that's right. I mean, it's probably the correct first pick. And I think you're also right, E.J., that next off-season feels like the decision point. They will either extend him or, frankly, consider trading him. And that's only in a very downside, which I don't expect. But this does feel like the season that they have set up to be able to answer that question internally. Because if A.J. Brown is back.

They're bringing back the same group of characters, right? They're banking on this offense getting better because of coaching, not because of an infusion of talent, right? The offensive line is back. They bring back Dallas Goddard. Even guys like, you know, Fred Johnson are back. It's kind of like the last ride with this group. So let's see if a new scheme is the answer here. With a bunch of quarterback whispers on the coaching staff too.

Right. And if Jalen can do some of the things that he has been criticized for not doing, like throwing over the middle and stuff like that. But I also, I would also say that I think that Jalen hurts, if anybody we're going to talk about, is probably the least affected by perceived pressure. Facts. I 100% agree.

I think he's the perfect quarterback for Philly because he is so even killed. And some folks in me, they don't like it because they're like, all right, you just won the Super Bowl. Can we get some like cheers and like, you know, be happy? But I think that's great for this city because if you ride off, you know, the mountains and the valleys, then, you know, you might kind of end up like a Carson-West type of situation, right?

So I think that he has shown more times than not. I think every time he's answered the bell that he's going to, is frankly not be deterred and, you know, he's going to show up in those big games. I think we should, oh, go ahead. I was just going to say we should also talk about the upside, right? Which is something that I do think affects Jalen Hertz, which is the legacy. if he gets it right.

You know, when I think about the upside, I think about a second Super Bowl, which would be huge for him. And also, even if it's not, even if it doesn't end in a championship, how much he's talked about a home base, trying to find a system that he can call his own. And with the staff that the Eagles put together this offseason,

I do think if he excels in this system, they have succession planning in place to be able to keep the system in-house for years to come. So I think that that's also an important thing and something he has at stake is, you know, kind of ushering in the next wave of offensive football for this team. Let's take a step back here, and I want to ask you, M.J., why do you think that Jalen is so polarizing,

both within the fan base and nationally? It's really because when you look at him in big games, there's no denying his talent. There's no denying what he's done. You can't say, well, he didn't throw that dagger to Devonze Smith in the Super Bowl. He didn't break the rushing record in multiple Super Bowls. But I think the issue is folks want that consistency game by game, the high passing yards. And when you look at the box score and then you see maybe against the Panthers in 2024, you see a buck 10. You're like,

all right, you have AJ, you have Smitty. And I get from somebody who maybe doesn't watch the Eagles as much or just is not a not a fan of the Eagles. And they see this guy keep. winning. Oh, he's undefeated against Stafford. Oh, he beat Josh Allen and might have folks like me, you know, pumping my chest and saying that. But he doesn't have like the stats, maybe every game to, you know, just show how great he is. So I think the stats, people want those like 250 passing yards, two way the DAC Prescott type of numbers. So that's why. But I know it frustrates them when regardless of what the media is. says regardless of what the fans say the trolls whatever he continues to win and do it his own way and

as long as he keep winning and he doesn't really care how it look if you're a fan of a team like you shouldn't care at all and i think the patriots i always go back to them because in the postseason Drake may wasn't very good yeah yeah that's true but the Patriots fans they're not like oh well Drake may isn't that they're still saying he's that guy he's that guy he's he's an MVP and the defense was carrying. And it's kind of funny because when it's not somebody's team, now it's, oh, well, he's getting carried, all this stuff. When it's your guy, now you have a different tune with this.

So I think all of those play in factor. Yeah, one thing you mentioned there that he does it his own way, I think is a big reason why there is such a, I would call it, a polarizing discourse around him where it feels like sometimes you can't say certain things because like you're going to upset one side or the other at all times. And it's because you can't really put him in a box. You know, there's, he's not like, he's not a quarterback and he takes pride in like doing it his way. But because of that, he doesn't fit into the conventional molds we expect for different brackets of quarterbacks.

He's not, you know, he doesn't have the prolific stats of a top five guy. He doesn't have, he's got, but he's got the winning accolades that kind of separate him from, you know, maybe like the group that's top six to top 12. he's won more than most of those guys. So you don't want to put him in with those guys either. And we've talked about it before. Like as a player, there are things that you have to kind of build your offense around. You don't want to build it out of a bunch of middlefield throws or timing and anticipation throws.

But he's a high-level player. He's a quarterback you can win a Super Bowl with. So because he doesn't fit in any of those buckets, it can be hard sometimes because you want to group him with somebody. He doesn't fit with any of those guys. If this was like the early 1990s media landscape, Do you think he would be thought of as, you know, like a top three quarterback? I would say so.

I would say so. Winning percentage and all of that stuff. Like, do you think it's the evolution of the discourse? It's a good question. I think that people do like scheme agnostic quarterbacks a little bit more nowadays and they probably did 20 years ago. You know, so for that reason, yes. And I think it is less defined about winning than it used to be.

I mean, Justin Herbert is considered a top five quarterback. And like, you know, I'll be honest, I would probably put Justin Herbert either in the top five or on the fringes of the top five because of how talented he is, I think we probably overweight that, we'll wait that more than we used to. Do you think that his media personality is a factor? For sure. He doesn't play the game. He doesn't back channel. He doesn't try to get his argument out there, at least not as prolifically as other quarterbacks and other camps do. And I think that, especially in Philadelphia,

I think that does affect him. And then how much do you think that his race is a part of it? I think it's definitely a part of it because it's it's hard to have these conversations but like you know it's it is the type of thing where he some of the things that like you would say about him are true about like the timing and anticipation throws right but he's clearly an elite processor he's clearly you know a high level quarterback in the NFL so you have to kind of parse those things and it does make the conversation difficult at times because you you you have people in the camp saying he's not a good process or saying you can't do these things who have bad faith and bad intentions.

I think the, you know, there is a long history of undervaluing the running ability of a quarterback and what that brings to the team, right? But when that dwindles like it did last year, then it puts more focus on just him in the pocket, then all of a sudden it becomes a different conversation. Yeah, yeah. And I appreciate about Jalen that he has always embraced that part of his game. He says he calls himself a triple threat. You know, someone who has, you know, who's as comfortable and happy running, throwing,

beating teams with his mind. Obviously, he didn't run quite as much last year, but I don't think we ever truly got to the bottom of why that was. Do you have a theory on that, MJ? It's interesting because that 49ers game, playoffs, like, I expected her to say, all right. It kept being like, okay, this is the game. This is the game that never came. During the regular season, all the Russian numbers were down.

I'm like, maybe he's just saving himself for playoff time because there have been seasons where at the end of the season is concussion or ankle, whatever case is. So he was 100% healthy, at least close to 100% as you could be. I thought that played a role, but I think the scheme and not having as many QB draws, I think also him not wanting to put himself in harm's way if he knows, I don't know how far I can go, you know,

with this coaching staff. my last point with it, it felt a little bit during the playoff game that he was just doing exactly what he was told. Versus calling an audible and say, you know what, I'm just going to put my Superman cape on

and just do it myself. And in the past, he's done that, you know, when you kind of lose faith in the coaching staff from the outside point of view, you kind of look at him, be like, okay, maybe he was just like, all right, y'all telling me do this? Deep ball, deep ball, AJ Brown, whatever, like, all right, I'll do that.

do that. Yeah. Yeah. It did seem like there was an exacerbation by the other season with those guys. But doesn't that go against everything we know about Jalen as the myth-making of a guy who in the playoffs is going to rise and all he cares about is winning? Don't you feel like, you know, he did have the ball with a chance to go lead a game-winning drive at the end? I don't know. Yeah, no, I think that's definitely a fair point and a fair criticism that I had of hers too. I'm like, you are a phenomenal. I know. If you are the guy who always plays his best in the biggest games. I want you to deliver it now. I want that. I want that.

And like you said earlier with if he's not running as much, then there's going to be more focused on his, you know, pocket presence and, you know, passing from the pocket. So hopefully he can not only improve as a pocket passer next season, but also still,

you know, be that running quarterback that we fell in love with in 2020. All right. Good conversation. We've gotten through one pick. I chuckled in the big deal presented by Wala. Well, let's get out of that. We'll take a quick break. We'll come back with more players who are under big pressure in 2026 on the other side here on the PHY Eagles show.

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Back in the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast, Bo, E.J. and MJ. We have any results on E versus M. I don't think Lindsay did the poll, which was, thank you, Lindsay. Like, what are we doing? But put them together. You know what you spell. Me. And you love that. All right, AJ, you're up.

Pick number two. All right. Can I get pick number three? Let's do the steak draft. Let me have three and four. I didn't volunteer to take two. I wasn't even going to do a snake. I was just going to go one, two, three, four, five to six.

Let's go snake. Okay. I'd rather have two bites at the apple. Well, I would rather keep MJ involved in the conversation instead of having him out for five picks in a row. That's okay. Can tell us what he thinks of our picks? Yeah.

Fine. I will save you. What do you mean saying? if I wanted the third pick. That's fine. All right, I will go, if you want to talk about money on the line, I'm going Nolan Smith. Okay.

And I think we will see what the Eagles want to do. I'm guessing that they will pick up his fifth year option. But right now they don't have that ace guy. And if Nolan Smith is the guy who we saw at the end of the 24 season, they don't need another ace guy. He can be that guy. But he's got to prove he can play at that level. and he's got to prove he can stay healthy,

which he has not been able to do, and I think was a reasonable concern about him coming in because of the size he plays with and the violence that he plays with. I still, I am higher on Jailix Hunt than Nolan Smith. I don't know how you feel about that, MJ. But if Nolan Smith is the guy who he was two years ago,

then all of a sudden we don't have to worry about, you know, how he trolling for, you know, using a third round pick on another guy. I compare this off season for Nolan Smith to what, but Jordan Davis went through last season to where it's okay, you got some of your buddies getting paid all this, yes, they're all pro is cool. But like, what are you going to do?

You're a first round guy. We expect you to play like a first round pick. And so similar to Jordan Davis, I think like you're looking at Nolan Smith. You know, some fans and some people like, all right, like we need more from him. Some folks are saying, hey, he was injured. Like just you saw what he. did in the playoffs, 24, broke a franchise record in sacks, like in a postseason, like, like this guy, he has all the, all the tools. But like you said, I, Jay Lucas Hunt has been better.

And he's a third round guy. And you ultimately, you want Nolan to be the ace. You don't want to have to just trade for Jonathan Grenard or try to trade for Max Crosby. These guys, you really want to keep those assets and have Nolan as your main guy. But I think this is the season for him and if he can just stay healthy and like you said the way that he plays it has it caused him to have injuries and be out but

if he's able to stay healthy this year he could be in for a huge payday just like Jordan Davis guy. I'll give you another comparison Jalen Phillips I mean he could especially because the injury history is part of the equation for both guys obviously he's a little bit

further away from a payday but he just saw what Jalen Phillips was able to do with you know, an opportunistic season. So I definitely think he's got a lot of finances on the stage. Do you think the Eagles' interest in retaining Jalen Phillips and potentially trading for Jonathan Gannard is instructive in telling us how they feel about Nolan Smith? I think that's a fair assessment. And I think the injury history comes up there too, because especially it's like a big part

of the way that he plays, you know? It's his play personality is part of it. So it's like you hate that for him because, you know, I know Eagles fans love to see him play with that level of intensity, but it has been hard for him to stay on the field. Yeah, I think it's fair. I mean, if they re-signed Jalen Phillips, I think it would have been fair to wonder if they would be open to trading, Nolan Smith. So, you know, if they do trade for a Jonathan Gernard, I do wonder how that affects him as well. All right, EJ, give us pick number three, the first of your two.

Okay, so the way I went actually wasn't finances for once, you know, a little bit of personal growth. Thinking about the success of this next year's Eagles team, and it's hard to envision a scenario where the Eagles made. make, you know, real progress and are able to make the run that they want to make, make if they don't get the interior offensive line right in this offseason, health-wise, first and foremost. So to me, Cam Juergens comes to mind as one of the players under the most pressure. If you told me that Cam Jurgens was his 20-24 self, I'd feel a lot better about the Eagles prospects of, again, being the team that they want to be.

If you told me that he looks like he did last year, the question that starts to come to mind for me is how long, how much leashed does he have to play, to struggle with injuries and play at a level that's much below what we've seen him play in the past. And, you know, again, we've talked about on the show. There are people in that building very high on Drew Kendall. I don't think he's a week one starter. I think you can have a great training camp and he'll be, you know, game day backup. If he struggle, if Cam Durgan's struggling in week eight, week nine, it does feel like more of a possibility that Cam Durant's could lose his job to somebody like Drew Kendall. What do you think about that? I'm looking at Camp Dring. As you guys,

step up because you were a pro bowler last season. Ed. That's right. Hey, congratulations. You know, congrats on being a pro bowler. We've seen the low lights. We saw the low lights and, you know, Cam Durgans, he was phenomenal in 2024 and, you know, that's why he got paid. But, you know, you definitely want him to return back to that 2024 form. Some could say it's just because of injuries. but if he can get healthy, Land Dickerson as well, like that's how this run game returns back to what we know it can be for Saquan and, you know,

Tank Bigsby and even Jalen as a runner, like so many holding calls where Jalen would run for 10, 15 yards, they get pulled back. And then now you're in second and long, you're in third and long, and now you got three and out. So all of that playing the part, I think, in order for the Eagles to have,

a successful season, Cam Jordan is he has to play better. MJ, I'm sure you're a young guy. You probably don't need to go to Columbia for any stem cell stuff, right? Yeah, I'm good. You're good. Bonnie's feeling good. What about you, E.J.? I'm good.

I'm good. Yeah, I got the one knee, you know, it acts up when it rains, but, you know, it's all good. Is it really when it rains? Yeah, no, it'll swell up on me. Oh, interesting. Yeah. All right. I mean, I'm not like playing pickup basketball every day of the week like I used to.

but you know it's those concrete courts in college playing on the concrete courts really messed my knees up now I really sound old that's okay uh yeah I think I think Juergens is a very good pick I think there's a lot of a lot of pressure on him and then we'll see what they do in the offseason who I'm up again now this is a risky pick because it could all be a moot point in an honestly in the next week in the next month but I feel like Jalen Carter belongs somewhere on this list okay um in the just in the pot for the possibility that he might not get this extension done going in the next season and if he does play, you know, without that extension next year, there's a lot of money on the table for him if he has a big season.

You know, I think all the conversations we had last summer were not about Jalen Carter resetting the defensive tackle market. It was about Jalen Carter resetting like the non-quarterback market. I think that's a lofty goal, but I don't think it's totally off the table if he had, you know, it's weird to call it a breakout season. But a breakout season in the sense that right now I think he's viewed as one of the best young defensive tackles in the NFL. He has the potential to be one of the most productive pass rushers in the NFL.

I think this is the last year that he gets credit for being young. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I mean. Like, I think it's funny. Like you talk to guys in the Eagles locker room. You just see the reverence they have for Jalen Carter. And I think there's an understanding of all the players in that locker. There's some really talented guys.

He is at the top of the list in terms of talent. And he has the rare ability to completely turn a game on its head in a way. that Tequan Barkley, A.J. Brown, like, there are a few guys who have that, but Jalen Carter could make himself a lot of money with an emphatic season, especially, and I don't think it's likely, but especially if he went into next year betting on himself. Yes, and I think about that Rams game in the playoffs, the divisional rounds. Talk about a game record. Talk about a guy that saved the seasons. Matthew Staff was about to throw a touchdown, and it was Jalen Carter that saved the day. And it's funny how these conversations drastically turn after one year

because last season it was no one's getting paid. Jalen Carr is getting paid. And I still believe Jailen Carr is going to get his extension. But now it's like, okay, kind of like a down year for both because of injuries and stuff. Are they able to bounce back? But when you have Jordan Davis playing the way he played in 2025, and then you have a healthy Jailen Carter, a motivated Jailen Carter, you know, if they have Jalen Carter bet on himself,

yes, you might pay more money, but also you're going to have a highly, highly motivated Jailen Carter. That is like an aspect of it that I don't think we should just overlook. Like is him having to prove something this season versus like already getting the bag. But if you have both of those guys in the interior, you don't need as much from the edge rushers that we did, you know, last season. Do you think there's any chance than how he let's? Carter go into the season without an extension?

I'd be surprised. There's some chance, obviously. Yeah, I think they'd like to get a deal done. I think they will. But it's a big number. And it's not as straightforward as it's not a straightforwarded decision as usually it would be for the Eagles. Usually, play like Jalen Carter, Eagles,

get that extension done the first day they can because the price only goes up. I think the fact that it's taken a little bit longer speaks to this being a little bit more of a complicated deal to get done. So it wouldn't shock me. But at this point, I do think they probably get it done before training camp. All right. Let's take our last break here on the P.HLY Eagles podcast.

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Got you some iced tea. Yeah. Feel good? I'm feeling great. Feeling at home. Feeling at home. Like, got the Cooper Dejean jersey. Yeah.

Where you blanket ship jersey? I mean, hey, we got everybody. Yeah. I used to hate that, like, cleaning up for the guests. You know what's worse? And I don't want to, we weren't boozy people. I don't want to get the wrong impression here. But, like, cleaning up for the cleaning lady.

I used to hate that when I was a kid, man. Not to say, like, I wasn't a slob. You guys should know me well enough to know. I keep a tidy, a tidy space. But, like, oh, we have to. clean up the house because the cleaning lady's coming. It's like... My kids hate that.

So you do it too. Yeah, but frankly, I'm the one cleaning up for the cleaning lady. So are you straightening up or are you cleaning? Oh, I'm... Yeah, I'm like putting toys away. We would like clean. It'd be like, you need to clean your bathroom.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's tough. Yeah, my mom did not play that. She was like, your room better be cleaned up. I don't want no clothes, you know, on the floor, make up that bed. It's like one thing if it's like gross. Yes, totally. Not saying you should leave it gross. Just clutter.

It's like, it's like putting clothes. together. I guess that's probably what that we don't have a cleaning lady or cleaning people. But if we did... We're cleaning robot. Yeah, right. Well, definitely. We don't have a cleaning robot either. I guess if we did, it would be like a good ritual to straighten up the house every week.

Kind of like forces you to do it. I guess that makes sense. As an adult now that I look back at it. Speaking of feeling at home, we got to welcome to the roster, the Philly Show, which did you today at noon. Corey Seidman, Jamie Lynch and Cuzz. We're all there. Check out that debut episode ahead of the opener on opening day tomorrow.

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All proceeds going to the Make the World Better Foundation. So, join us for that. All right. I'm up, pick number five. I'll be quick here because this is someone that we've already discussed quite a bit this week, E.J. And that is the way that they have not filled the safety position without read Blankenship. I think there's a lot of pressure on Drew McCuba to be a guy as a second-year second-round pick at safety. I thought he was pretty good last year,

but not good enough to be the best safety on the best defense in football, which is I think what they are hoping he can be next year. So let's see if he can put that together. Yep. Yeah, he's a playmaker who'll take risk. And with that, it might come, like the Buccaneers game, you take a risk and you got Emeka, Bucca that go,

you know, for like a 60-70-yard touchdown, right? Marcus Epps, he's more like a safer bet. He's not going to go for those risky, you know, type of moves. But I like Marcus Epps a lot because it's like you really never hear about him on the broadcast. And honestly, if you're not being talked about that, you don't want to hear about it. I don't want to hear about you. So, you know, but Drew McCuba, he's a playmaker for sure.

Yeah, I agree. I think what was my analogy? I think Marcus Epps is like a singles hitter, singles and doubles. And then Drew McCupe is a home run hitter. So it'd be good. It's a decent pairing. But yeah, they're making a big bet on Drew McCuba taking them the next step. All right, MJ, you get two picks.

Give us your first one. Cool. I got to go with Jahad Campbell. Yeah, good one. And you think about this, a second year guy that, you know, didn't play as much. Yes, he started. And then Nekobi came in, you know, took his spot. But you don't really think a guy was like in his second year.

You have a all pro next to him, you know, has pressure. But let's be honest, Nekobi Dean was beloved in Philly. Yeah. Like, one of my favorite players to. covered to watch and his violence and being like one of the best blitzing linebackers. And when he came to the team, the run game drastically improved. So now he goes to the Raiders and all of us like, man, all these free agents going away and all that stuff.

The Philadelphia, Georgia Bulldogs will now it's going to be pressure on Jahad Campbell to replicate what Nacobie Dean did. And I think first game of Jahad Campbell's career, his past breakup on. and Dag Prescott in the middle of the field. I was like, was that Drew McCuber or something? And that's like his first game as a rookie.

It's fantastic. So I think his instincts are there. You know, get his body right. I think defending the run is something he has to improve on. But he has all the skills. But I think there will be pressure on him to,

at the very least, replicate what Nekobi did. But when Jahad got his chances, even that Bill's game. Yeah. You know, he made the most of it. So I have high expectations. I feel like he will deliver.

But I think you are right that, you know, if there is, if there is any little comeback, people are going to be talking about, ah, they should have just brought back to Kobe Dean, right? Yeah. And the upside is the best lineback in the NFL. Yeah. They have the physical capability to be that.

And they're already basically halfway there with Zach Long. Right. I think it's a very good pick. Who's your last one? Who's your last one? Sequin Barkley, 26. I did not have Shaqa on my list. Two six.

And I'll be fair, like a bunch of his production is tied to the offensive lines. Tied to Cam Jergens, Land Dickerson, you know, Tyler Steen. And ultimately, he's the highest paid running back in football. The casual fans not looking at how great of a run blocker is Tyler Steen compared to Mackay Beckner or something. You're looking at, okay, Sequin, you had 2K rush and you. yards. It went down to like 11, 1,200. We need to see you, you know, go back to the, I don't, nobody's expecting, I think, 2K, but yeah, 1500, like, you know, he was given that, you know, big payday after the Super Bowl, rightfully so. But I think if you start to see games where,

you know, Tank Bigsby is averaging, what, five to seven yards per carry and Sequin is averaging like three, be like, all right, Sequin, like, you got paid, do you still have, that hunger that you had when you left the giant. So I think it's some pressure there. Do we still see those big plays, right? Like if those don't come back again, then it's like, man, maybe his legs really are gone. Yeah, and he's a legacy-driven guy,

just like Jalen. He will care about the discourse around him and the season that he has. So I think that's a good pick. Okay, that's a good one. Nice job. Yeah. My last one. I'm on the fence between two, but I'm going to go with Rick Wullen.

I was hoping you didn't take him. Just because, I mean, listen, there are nobody who has put the pressure on themselves more. than Rick Woolen by, you know, way of the contract that he signed. A one-year prove a deal. Okay, go out and prove it when you're playing opposite Quinnian-Mitchell and with Cooper to June. You know you're going to get the ball a lot thrown at you and you make some plays.

And there's even a chance with Big Fangio that, like, he yanks you at some point. So the downside is there. And the upside is he enters the market, very young still, and gets one of the highest-paid contracts for a cornerback in the NFL. So I think a huge swing for Rick Willen and a lot of pressure on him. Yeah, yeah, I completely agree. Okay. All right, I got two.

Okay. My first pick's going to be Jake Elliott. Now, not pressure. Hold on, you only get one pick. Wait, I thought I got two. We're doing three each. Oh, I'm taking two. I'm a co-host.

I get to make up the rules too. Yeah, I think Jake Elliott, obviously he's not in short-term pressure. You know, his contract is guaranteed. It's not like he's going to get cut mid-season, but could he get bench? Could he get moved aside midseason for a younger kicker? I think that would, it would surprise me, but I wouldn't discount it. And then moving forward, like, you know, if he has another season where he struggles, what do the Eagles do long-term a kicker?

So I wanted to put him on the board. And then I'm sneaking Morrow Adjomo in there. I mean, he could make nine figures potentially with a good season. And, you know, I think that this is going to be a year where he really is putting himself, like, on display in the way that Milton Williams did. So I think he's another worthy inclusion. MJ, do you have one extra guy and we didn't draft on your list or did we get all five of yours?

I think that Jake Gellier was a great one because if he makes all his kicks in that playoff game instead of having a go for a touchdown, I believe you could like hit a field goal on that last drive. So I think that's a good one there and at the top of my head, like offensively,

this is if AJ gets traded. Yeah. Devonte Smith is going to be a whole lot of pressure. And I think that if he becomes the wide receiver one, I believe in him. I think he has the talent to do it. I think similar to JSM, maybe he might not lead the league in receiving yards, but nobody can tell me he can put up 1600 yards, having an all-pro type of year.

And so the caveat is if AJ gets traded, there would be a whole lot of pressure on Devonce Smith to essentially be what, you know, AJ was, is that number one guy, you know, in 22, you know, 23. Okay, I think that's good. My last one I would throw out is just Tyler Steen, because he's trying to hold on to a long-term starting job. I think our expectation right now is that he's got this year and then they'll replace him as he enters free agency.

But if he has a good year, they'll just bring him back. Yeah, or they could draft over him. Yeah. Okay, so there you go. 12 guys with a lot of pressure on them as they enter 2026 for the Eagles. If you want to hear the rest of this conversation, go over to all PHL. or join us in MJ

Da. That was fun MJ. That was super cool. One thing I really like about you, MJ, is that you have like a really good recall for Eagles games. I agree with that. I was at those games and I mean, I remember them, but only when you're like, you're like, oh yeah,

Chad Campbell's PBU against the Cowley's like, oh yeah, that did. Yeah, that was pretty. I agree with that. There's like a couple of them. Yeah, I was like, a little, like, even like his recovered the fumble from Josh Allen that game.

Yeah, see, I forgot about that. Yeah, that ball is bouncing all weird. I remember Cooper to Gene had the, the fumble recovery against the bucks because he kind of had to, like, box somebody out for it. Yeah, that was good. But, yeah, good recall. Very good recall. I like that.

How was your time with Anthony this morning? You know, it was pretty cool. We talked, yeah, like former, or just, like, the best athletes from Philly. Okay. Like, they're, like, from the city, all of that. Okay. I talked about how I was on JV and DeAndre Hunter. I think he's with the Kings now, the Cavs, all that, Hawks.

Wait, so you played against DeAndre Hunter? I didn't play against him, but he was, you know, you got Varsie on one side of the court on the other side is like JV. So I'm like a freshman. He's a senior. He's doing like windmills and all this stuff. I just know how young MJ is. I'm like, oh, this is crazy.

This is crazy. So Monet Davis, of course. Yeah. Deandre Swift, you know, South St. Joe's Prep. He was older. He's older than you, right? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

DeAndre, I think he's probably like two or three years. Yeah. What about Monet? We were the same class. That's like a good friend of mine. Because one of my friends, yeah, one of my friends was on that team with her. Really? So I was like an eighth grade, eighth seventh grade.

Yeah, so it was pretty cool. Yeah. I like that. Such a baby, man. She's getting into like the women's professional baseball league. I believe, right? Yeah, yes. And for her.

I know whether it was, like, you know, baseball or, like, basketball, she's real passionate about both. So I think she was, like, involved with, like... You played college basketball. Yeah, college basketball at Hampton. You know, she's pretty cool. Pretty cool. I like that.

Lomona Davis, time. Yeah. All right, good stuff today on the P. H.H.Y. Eagles podcast. We are back tomorrow. E.J.'s got a special guest. I do. I'm excited.

Looking forward to a, I believe, a former coworker of yours. So hopefully we'll get some good stories. Enemy of the pod until tomorrow. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. I'm looking forward to that. Hatchets to Barry.

And then we've got the professor joining me on Friday. So good stuff. Everybody. MJ, thank you so much for coming in. It was a pleasure. Thank you, Bo. Thank you, E.J. No, got the EJMJ.

All right. Check out. Check out Real Talk with MJ on all the social platforms. Yes, sir. Thank you. And thank you everybody for listening to the podcast today. I'm not done yet. You said thank you, everybody.

You were moving on. I just wanted to make sure. Thank you, Lindsay. Goodbye. I'm not saying it. And as always, we love you.