PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Moves: Stone Smartt, Dameon Pierce Added, Jake Elliott Takes Paycut | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

What’s Howie Roseman’s plan in the Eagles quarterback room? Andy Dalton is in but where does this leave Tanner McKee? Will Jalen Hurts finish next season an All-Pro? Will DeVonta Smith and A.J. Brown clear the way for a breakout season for Darius Cooper? Bo Wulf and EJ Smith bring eight bold Eagles predictions each for a March Madness style bracket to find out who has the best chance at a Cinderella story in 2026 while also discussing the latest free agency news and rumors surrounding the team. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome. The P.HO. My Eagles podcast on a Thursday afternoon, a big bracket day. Live from the Xfinity Studio, Bowulf, E.J. Smith, we are presented by our friends at Ashley and Bet365, where winning is everything. And that's what we're going to try to do on the show today. We're going to try to win this episode. E.J., how you doing? Oh, man, I could run through a brick wall right now. Let's win the episode. Got to have urgency. Attack every day with an energy. the unknown to mankind.

So bring back memories? That'll do it for me on this episode. I'm good. All right. Eagles making some moves. Now, after the show yesterday, we did an emergency podcast on the Andy Dalton signing.

And there's some interesting information we have learned since then that we will talk about in a little bit. We will also talk about what you learn from Jonathan Jones and Marquise Hollywood Brown earlier today. We're going to get to the Jake Elliott News,

which is a little bit interesting. But let's start the show today talking about the two new additions the Eagles have made today. And let's start with the right people presented by our friends at TrueMark Financial. And let's begin here, E.J. with the idea that Howie Roseman is up to his old tricks. How dare you? And it really reminds me of like the idea of, you know, like a middle schooler coming home and he's in trouble for something.

and he really sells. He's like, you know what, I'm, I learned my lesson. I'm going to turn, I'm going to turn my life around, I promise. And he does like the bare minimum check box. I mean, the idea that the Eagles are, we really need to change the way we think about the tight ends. And we're bringing back Dallas Goddard. We're bringing Bracken, Grant Cotterra.

We'll sign Johnny Mund for you. And then let's bring in another receiving upside project at Tide End. I would like to push back a little bit. Okay. And I think that this is going to be a theme throughout the show today, which is I think we have moved into, at least with these last few signings, this is more about, let's give this guy a good runway into training camp, see what happens. I think if you're overreacting to these signings, which you are, for the record. I'm not overreacting. Then you can tell the people who we're talking about.

We are talking about Stone Smart. So I can give you a couple notes on Stone Smart. He's 27 years old, converted quarterback from one Old Dominion. He had a couple of stops in college, but he ended his career at Old Dominion. Do you know who he overlapped with at Old Dominion? Former Eagle. One of my favorite Eagles that I've covered, actually. In terms of like, yeah, just like in terms of like having like the Lensanity run.

That was very fun. Overlapped with Travis Fulgum at Old Dominion. His best season as a tight end came in 2024, 16 catches for 208 yards. I would say that this guy has big Tyree Jackson vibes which is to say a flyer on a converted quarterback with tight end,

you know, a tight end build in the NFL hasn't really put it together yet but yeah, maybe he's interesting. It's a worthwhile season two years ago with Chargers before he was with the Jets last year.

And listen, he is an actual tight end. I think there are more blocking chops than you would have expected from a player of his background. This is an absolutely, totally reasonable, smart thing for them to do. It's a smart thing. It is just very funny from a Howie narrative.

Like, this guy could not be more of a Howie project at tight end. Yeah, I know that you know this, but I just, for the sake of the conversation, I need to say, that they can get a combo tight end in the draft. They get a dirty work tight end. They can get a baby Johnny Munt in the draft. And also, don't erase my boy Camlazzi right now. They've got some blocking tight ends in the winks. You know, it's not all receiving threats out there. We'll move on from that.

No, listen, I think, as you said, all the moves they're making right now are reasonable moves to fill out a roster for training camp. Stone Smart is here to push Grant Calcutera. Yeah, probably. I think that is a perfect framing. He is competing for probably the third tight end spot, maybe the fourth tight end spot on the roster. And he has a nice runway to do it now.

he's going to be able to do the spring program, you know, be there throughout OTAs, learn the system so that when training camp is here, there won't be any excuses for him to not give that competition his best effort. Okay. It's fine. Yeah, I like it.

It's just, it is funny, given the cell from Howie on like a... And here's the other thing. I don't think that's what they should be doing. They shouldn't just be bringing in a bunch of blocking tight ends. Like, that's the only thing we care about now. the receiving part of playing tight end is more important I don't know if I agree with that

because of who I am as a person it is it is it is harder to find tight ends who can actually contribute in that phase of the game than it is to find tight ends who can block it is harder to find someone who can make a difference as a receiver I guess I don't know I it's easier to find somebody who's like league average as a blocker maybe

I yeah I'll concede I'll concede that. But like finding a guy who's like a dude in that area. Like, yeah, there's not, there's not that many of those guys. Yeah. Okay. Don't don't, don't besmirch the dirty work tight ends. You know that like you're talking to me here.

Well, yeah, but the market bears it out too. I mean, those guys get paid more than you get paid more than you expect, but they don't don't get paid as much as the guys who catch the ball. That's, yeah, that's fair. Yes. And so the Eagles maybe have the right person. Oh, yeah, we've erased E.J. Jenkins from us too. I have not erased E.J. Jenkins for many.

While we're still in the right people, E.J. Jenkins is also part of this competition. I agree with that. Yeah. All right. So that'll do it for the right people presented by our friends at TrueMark Financial. Stone Smart happens. And then we get, what are you laughing at? It's been a good day for the chat so far.

I'm sorry. The baby Johnny Munt thing in the chat was funny. We might need like an e-moat or something in the chat for that. And yeah, there's a funny super chat. I can't help it. I'm sorry. Well, let's get to it now because otherwise

you're just going to be distracted the whole time. Cash Squatch says all time boat quote yesterday. I will attack them when I want to attack them. Referring

to the show's most of you devoted to viewers and fans. It's objectively. It's very funny. You know what? I stand by it. And I think those of you

who are devoted agree with me. You know when you deserve it. Now you know I was laughing. Now that people are coming. Now we got to make sure everybody's liking the videos. Yeah. Now that I know what the chat is capable of love.

Yeah. Now when the chat mobilizes what they can do, we got to keep that same energy. Yeah. Just like before the show, I was arguing with you about who was going to make the point about the Tyree Jackson comparison. And I was thinking if the chat mobilized.

That's my lane. I came up with that. I had a good tweet about it. You didn't have a good tweet. You just posted a picture of him. It was a good tweet. No, that's like, I don't want to get too much into this, but that's what good tweets are these days.

That's not true because there's vague. There is no such thing as a good tweet. That's true. But like vague posting has become a real thing. Are you familiar with like vague posting? Oh, sounds so interesting. It's better than like looks maxing. Vague posting is like you post something and like you have to go check the replies

to figure out what the guy's talking about. This is very, very stupid. It is. I didn't say it was. My good friend, Jeff Nyberg, would say it's all vapor. I'm getting ready to attack you all again. Okay, ready? Every single one of you, get off Twitter.

Enough. In the A block. Nice. You saved it from overtime. No. There's nothing there for you. Okay? All right.

Now, after Stone Smart, the Eagles bring in an announcement of their own. Damien Pierce. Hmm. The kind of signing that moves the needle so little that the team announces it themselves. It is very interesting that the team announced it themselves. I'm not sure that that's like a reflection of it moving the needle very, not enough. I would say it's probably, I don't know who Damien Pierce's agent is, but maybe it's a smaller agent. Maybe there was, and this will be part of what we talk about with him.

And this is a guess. This is a genuine guest, not informed at all, not an educated guest. made me wonder if like the medical was like let's see what the met like let's make sure that like this is on the actually over the goal line before we announce it i think that's a good read because there's supposedly he is talking to the media today which means that he's already in there and they announced it when he was they announced it when he signed his contract yeah um which again i don't think the team would i mean listen the teams aren't usually the ones that um i mean if they agree to terms i mean you might hear it from either side right but i almost wonder if it's like

the player's side was like, let's wait until the physical's done. Yeah, so that makes sense. So what do you think about Damien Pierce, who had that really good rookie season with the Texans when he was just under 1,000 yards, was breaking a lot of tackles, running heavy, and then has basically done nothing since then. He's got like 700 yards combined over the past three years, had a little cameo with the Chiefs this year, and seems to just not have it in his legs anymore. Yeah, it's a shame.

He was a really fun player. Really fun to college and his rookie season. Yeah. He got waved midway through last season, landed with the Chiefs. To me, this is another Howie Roseman archetype of a player. You know, I think the best case scenario was like a tag Bigsby, especially... No chance. You don't think so?

I don't even think he can bring you that. I think absolute best case. I think worst case scenario, you're looking at another Rashad Penny or AJ Dillon, you know, running back with injury history. Those guys made the team. Yeah. But like they, this is carry on. But they shouldn't have. Okay.

Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. You say it is worse for him to make the team. To actually make the team. Yeah. Nah, I think it's a reasonable flyer to take.

It's funny because I was looking through his injury history before the show. And this is like off of injury sharks, you know, which is like a fantasy tracking site. So not to say I wouldn't have missed something here. But it seems like it's just ankle sprains mostly. He had a hamstring in 2024. But he had a really bad ankle sprain at the end of the 2022 season. And then he had another one. 23. You know, like Lane Johnson's talked before, if you have a lot of ankle sprains in a short

succession, sometimes like it leaves scar tissue and you really can't use your your ankle like you would like you'd want without even like the tightrope surgery that repairs that. Yeah, it takes for a running back. Yeah, it takes time to recover from that. So I'll be curious to hear what, you know, what the last few years have been like for him from a recovery standpoint because yeah, he is a, he's a fun player. Yeah, I mean, he was a fun player. Yeah, I mean, he was a fun player. That is the problem. Right. Again, I'm sure he's getting no guaranteed money.

Yes. Totally reasonable bet to take. If you can, you know, bring back the spark that he had once upon a time, that's great. And it adds to the room. I think he's there to fill out the group. There are some people who are pointing to hit like some upside as a kickoff return. Yeah, I have seen that. He's never done it. I mean, if he could still do that at this point in his career, he would have been used in that capacity. Yeah. 20 kickoff returns in his career, including four last season and nine the year before. I mean, it's just, it's not how he's been used.

And I would be surprised if he gets that job now. I'll say it again. The new kickoff, you do typically prefer to have running backs and your stable of returners rather than, you know, wide receiver types or other positions. So maybe they feel his like physical profile fits the description of what they're looking for. But yeah, I think you shouldn't overstate what the signing. means. It's a training camp competition signing. It's more about, you know, getting these guys in the building early rather than, you know, really significant investment in what they're going to turn

out to be. Should also say not a ton of upside as a receiver over the course of his career. He had 30 catches that rookie season, but not a lot since then. So how do you feel about Fred Johnson's chances of returning now that they have a Florida gator on the roster? Yeah. Well, this is there anything wrong with having multiple? You think how he doesn't like? to leap too far into it. To chomp whoever wants to come. Don't like how that sounded, but the gator chomp is, I mean,

there's only, the greatest, like, college football gesture. This one right here. You see how my pinkies all messed up? It kind of messes up my, my, Lindsay's doing the V. The V. What's that? I just, oh, she's piecing.

But the gator chomp, it's pretty good too. Okay. Yeah. So Stone Smart Damien Pierce, who has a better chance to make the roster. Oh, man. That really puts in perspective how little a chance both of them have. Like, it's hard. I think Stone Smart.

I agree with that. Yeah. But like, he'd have to hope that they don't draft the tight end early. And then he'd have to beat Grant Calcutterra out in training camp. Yeah. That's his past. Yeah, that is the problem, I guess, is that they're still more likely to draft a tight end. Yeah, for sure.

And that really squeezes the room, whereas I don't think... They could carry four running back? I get a rat draft a running back, and if, if, you know, Tank Bigsby gets hurt, then maybe Damien Pierce makes the team. Yeah, maybe, uh,

there, I mean, they're gonna trade Tank Bigsby. I don't know. I think I would go a slight edge to Stone Smart. Yeah, I'll take Damien Pierce just because I think it's close, and it'd be fun to be on the other side of it. By the way, we did have a super chat yesterday that we forgot to mention,

which when we were talking about the drafts that we did, where I had directed Quinn Miners and took you down, there was a good point made in the Super Chat. It's been quite an A block. That, unfortunately, the Washington commanders

are not going to be able to, I know, they are interested in trading for that player because the owner is into minors. And with that, we will head to break on the PHA

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Yeah, so this is according to our friend Mike Garifolo. The Eagles restructured Jake Elliott, well, they agreed to a contract restructuring with Jake Elliot that will save them about $250,000 on the cap in exchange for having his 2026 salary guaranteed, which signals Jake Elliott's going to be the Eagles kicker next season. I know some fans had questions about whether or not they would provide competition for him in training camp and you know open the door to moving on this closes that door he is going to be the eagle's kicker in 2026 what do you make of this deal the eagles are making to to save a little bit of room and really not that much cap room yeah right like what is it it's only it's a quarter million dollars

yeah exactly yeah but to say okay jake you're our kicker with no out it surprises me a little bit i mean it brings me back to something you've said on the show which is that him and brayden man have the same agent and maybe trying to lower the cap hit for the special teams unit was part of the equation here. You just have a good amount of cap space like currently. For this upcoming season, they have a decent amount of cap space. So it does make me wonder what they're accounting for, you know, what they're planning to do with that space. But it surprised me a little bit. I didn't think they'd move on from Jake Elliott. I think, you know, I actually take Nick Siriani at his word there, generally that they have a lot of confidence in him.

I think they didn't have a lot of confidence in him by the time the season ended, but like long-term view, I think they do feel like he is, you know, someone to have confidence in. So yeah, I wouldn't have been shocked if they brought in competition in training camp, but it also doesn't surprise me

that they've guaranteed a salary for next season. Yeah, I actually, I think it's interesting because, now listen, even if you brought in competition and that person beat out Jake Elliott, you're going to be taken on dead cap and cutting Jake Elliott, right? So that's not ideal.

That's the sin of this contract is the contract they had signed before. Yep. Yeah, that's a good point. I also think it is probably the right thing to have Jake Elliott be a kicker. I mean, I think that the mountain of evidence is overwhelmingly positive for him.

He has some down seasons, but I think the leg strength is still there. That's what matters most. I think he's going to be fine. Watching the shot, didn't go in. TCU wins. Oh, that's bad for me. Why did you have Ohio State going to the finals?

I mean, I think I had them going a couple rounds. Okay. I think this is probably good business. Yeah. At this stage. At the same time, this is a team that is complaining about how tight they are against the cap. Yeah.

And they are committing a pretty relatively significant portion of the cap to the kicker and the punter. Right. And that's why I am a little bit curious, like what they, they are complaining about how tight they are to the cap. I'm curious, like, what is, what are they trying to accomplish? You know, you know what I mean?

Like, I actually don't have a good answer. Is it a Jalen Carter extension? Is that really going to affect this year's cap so much that you're worried about that? You know, the proration affecting this year's cap. I'm worried. I'm not worried. I'm wondering what the next year to drop is with some of these contract restructuring. By the way, just a quick aside.

Did you see, like, Dallas Goddard's cap hit this year? It's like minuscule. he's got four void years on the one-year deal yeah yeah yeah yeah I'm special I think the cap hit is more than that

it's just that the salary yes yeah yeah but still his cap hit is also like right they are they're doing the thing yeah yeah yeah

but I think the big thing is that next year it won't be such an onerous cap cut right which is that can be important right out yeah right yeah

and they can just keep pushing it on down the line we'll take their medicine one of these years to what degree do you think the Eagles salary cap philosophy is a bet on the end of the world coming. I don't think it's somewhat, but I think it's more a bet on, I don't, and some of Eagles fans aren't going to want to hear this, but like, it's a bet on like the, the acknowledgement that

at some point, they're going to have a disaster of a season. Like, it is going to be like, accelerate all this, all these void years, all this dead money onto this team where we have like high schoolers playing for us basically. I think that that is kind of what the acknowledgement is. You know, 2020 was kind of a snapshot on it where they did take their medicine as how you Rosemannis said. And I think that's when you, when you maneuver the salary cap like this, you're setting yourself up for those like, I mean, aggressive rebuilds where you were going to only use a small

percentage of the cap, which I think most Eagles fans can understand the tradeoff there. And I think it actually does make sense. But yeah, I think that's more what it is than like the actual world. That's baked in. Yeah, I mean, somebody's going to have to deal with that eventually. It's a big deal. It's very existential. I mean, you know, they'll take the Browns up on this offer to trade.

Yeah, the second I saw that, I was like, oh, what could go wrong? That is, they have to protect the teams themselves and not allow them to do that. They have to vote that down. Yeah, but at the same time, it's, I think it would create interesting, like, different philosophical strategies for different teams. The incentives that are so bad for bad GMs. Yeah, but. I really think they have to protect the team from themselves on that front. I don't know if I, I don't know if I agree.

I understand what you're saying. It's probably bad for the league if like the Cleveland Browns trade their next five first round picks for a quarterback that probably won't play that many games for them. But at the same time, like, I think it would be fun to see like what teams could do pushing all their chips into one or two seasons. You'd get more super teams. I don't think that that's really true.

I think you, I mean, I think the Eagles would be really aggressive if they could do it. I don't know that. I do. I think they'd be aggressive if they could do it. They'd also value future picks, but they'd be aggressive. I mean, what they would do is that their pick, like their pick outlook would be a total mess. Like they wouldn't, they'd never have their own first rounder. They'd have two other teams first rounders.

It would be that type of situation. Our friend Jimmy Kempski. Maybe. Have a field day with that. Well, built in content. Yeah. All about team content. Speaking of dumb things related to the league.

The Tracy Treader thing. Which we haven't talked about yet. What are the players doing? I mean, I'm just going to get railroaded. It's unbelievable. Yeah. I thought,

you listen to the latest Pablo Torre episode? The latest one? Yeah. So it came out, what, yesterday? Or something like that? I didn't listen to that one, but, like,

director of security at the NFLPA. Yeah, it was awesome. I have to listen to it because I was going to say, I commend Pablo Torre's work on this because it really was eye-opening for me. How the NFLPA is, is so much. it's just like, it's made up of like independent contractors.

Everybody always looking out for their own best interests, and that is why they so often can't push in the same direction against an organization that is always pushing in the same direction against them. It's sad. So, I mean, yeah. Like, total fraud, that guy. So they're going to get, they're going to get railroaded. Yeah.

The idea behind, the idea of I'm pushing for a business-friendly, leadership structure. Yeah. In a labor union. What the hell? I completely agree. Losing my pen. Through your pen, you're so outright.

All right. That's, speaking of cap stuff. Dandy Andy. Dandy Andy. Now, we talked about the move yesterday. Yeah. And the initial read was

maybe not necessarily a precursor to a Tanner McKee trade. But the cap number I think changes that a little bit. What do you think? I don't like how you do. Well, I lost my pen, so I got to do it.

I don't like the wiggly fingees. That's something. Yeah, so he's due $4 million next season, which is significant, especially for your third quarterback. I would still caution against the notion that this trade means that much for Tanner McKee. Because the more I thought about it, are you really, like what we said on the emergency pod was that this at least makes it easier to trade Tanner McKee. You could draft somebody in the sixth or the seventh round and you don't have to worry about them being your number two quarterback in week one.

But that means Andy Dalton's your number two quarterback. Are you really comfortable with Andy Dalton being your backup quarterback? And do you think the Eagles would be? Because the Eagles really value that position and I'm not sure that Andy Dalton at 38 years old is actually like Eagles level backup quarterback. Oh, I think he is. I'm not sure. I mean, we're just talking about them crying poor about the cap.

They're going to pay $4 million. You're going to use that for the number three quarterback? To me, I actually, this does make me think that Tanner McKee is going to get traded. Yeah, I disagree. I don't. I'm not saying that they won't trade Tanner McKee. I think it's entirely possible. The way that Hallie Roseman answered the question a month ago didn't discount it,

I think it's going to take a good offer. I saw our sister station PHNX has Tanner McKee in the thumbnail today I think there's going to be interest around him I think it's a matter of what the cost is but no I don't I think you trade for Andy Dalton because you feel like

he brings experience to the room and he gives you some optionality in the room but no I wouldn't go so far as saying that like if they went into next season with Jalen Hertz is the starter Andy Dalton is their number two and like an undrafted rookie or, you know, a late day three pick as a number three,

that doesn't feel as good of a quarterback room. They had Sam Hall as their third quarterback last year. It doesn't feel as good of a quarterback room as they've had in years past. Well, it depends what they are able to get back from a key. Like there's a... Annie Dalton is absolutely a top half of the league backup quarterback. Maybe.

I mean, he was Carolina's backup last year. Yeah, and he was there... He beat out Bryce Young's the year before that. Yeah, that was the year before. He's old. Well, I know. 38. I understand that.

But they're, yeah, he's going to be, he's going to turn 39 in the middle of next season. I'm not sure that. That much money for a, for a number three quarterback is absurd to me when they're crying poor about the cap. I,

that part I can understand. I was surprised when I saw the cap hit. I don't think that makes me feel more strongly that they're trading Tanner McKee. I, and I, I see like, I understand Dalton is like a fine backup. He is like,

most teams would be okay with him as their backup. I think you're underselling him. Yeah, I just, I mean, he's 39 years old and he wasn't great last year. Yeah. I mean, I'm not telling you he's ready to go win a playoff game tomorrow. But yeah, I, again, if it's Dalton as a number two and like an anonymous, but, you know, a late day three pick, I don't think that that's, that is not what we've seen the Eagles do in years past.

Okay. Then, then it's a crazy trade. It's seventh rounder. That's probably, if you're Hallie Rose. If you're Howard Roseman, that's what you're saying. It's, you know, the cap hit is something you take because it only costs you a seventh rounder to get him. Yeah, I don't know about that.

I agree with you that the cap hit surprised me. That is, that much we agree on. I just think, like, what does it mean? I'm not positive that that leads me to say, oh, man, Tanner McKee's gone. What do you think the market is for Tanner McKee? You think a team will trade a two for Tanner McKee? I think it's probably a third.

You think the Eagles do that? I don't know. If I'm the Eagles, I think they would like it to be like a, I think they would like it to be like a fourth that turns into a third if he starts X number of games and a second if that team makes a playoff. I think if you're the Eagles, you're hoping for a conditional third that turns into a two if he starts a number of games. Yeah, I think they would take that.

And do you think a team will pay that? I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. Well, that's the question. All right. Time to take a break here on the PHA by Eagles podcast. on the other side. Jonathan Jones flew into Philadelphia.

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I mean, what a flex. Big flex. What kind of plane was it? He said it was a TM. And I did Google TM. T.N. McKee. Not a T.R. McKee. Todd Martin.

Oh, now I'm worried. T. Mark. I got it wrong because I can't find it now. Tri-motor plane? I should have had this. I'm sorry. I didn't write down the note. The plane.

You don't care at all. Trent Mcduffey. I like a Trem McDuffie. Okay. He's a fun player. It's all I have to say about it. I bet that's going to mean that they have to write some stuff into his, in the language of his contract that they're worried about. Maybe.

Maybe that's, maybe that's why he flew the plane to sign the contract. Maybe it's like, my last chance to fly it in a while. But yeah, seem like a nice guy. Yeah. What was his, what was his comportment? What do you mean? Like, was he excited? Joyous or, you know.

I would say that he, he seems like, I mean, like selfishly, I'm going to describe him as like a reporter. Seems like a good talker, you know, like warm personality. Even through Zoom, you could kind of sense that. So I think he's going to be good. Usually the Eagles, I mean, the Adori Jackson role, the Darius Slay role, that is like, they usually have a, you know, a good presence about those guys. So I think he fits that description. And was he asked about Pellegrini?

He was. What did he say? Good things to say. I don't remember exactly what he said. But, you know, positive things about Mike Pellegrini. Talked about being impressed from afar about Quinnion and Cooper to Gene. Yeah. Generally.

There is Cooper Mawson. He did not. He was not asked about that. I mean, you weren't on the Zoom. Hey, Jonathan. I remember when Darius Cooper caught that ball over you? Man, that was awesome. I don't think he would agree that that was awesome.

I mean, he recognizes it's kind of an honor to be the first one of obviously many over the course of the next decade. I'm sure he was honest like that. He's had some tough Eagles memories because he was on the Patriots when the Eagles beat them in the Super Bowl. He said he remembers the green confetti following him. He was injured for the game. He was on a scooter. So he's like scooting across the field and he's got the green confetti following. That would be the key to us finally getting to the bottom of the Malcolm Butler decision.

Hmm. You should do that. That should be, that sounds like a great wolfston. Foken like a man doesn't know anything about the wolfstead. What do you mean? Why wouldn't that be a great wolfston? It's too, it's too, football. It's not like nonsensical enough.

Oh, I mean, you're a good reporter. You can, you got different ways. I'm okay. You're a good reporter. I disagree with you. I disagree with you disagreement. Hollywood Brown. That's some very nice things to say about Jalen Hurth.

He did, yeah. So he has played with some great quarterbacks, obviously, in his career. So he was asked about how Jalen Hurts stacks up with those guys. And Hollywood Brown said, seeing how he's able to make stuff happen, how composed he is, his deep ball, and just about just how he's able to lead was all attracted to me. I knew you were going to laugh at that. For me, for me, he's a Super Bowl MVP. I feel like he stacks up as a top quarterback in this league.

I'm fortunate enough to be here with him and the rest of the team. I'm excited to come in and help. And what was his comportment? He seems honestly, yeah, he has a good personality too. They've signed some, like, good, like, guys who I know are going to be nice in the locker room to walk up to and bother. But yeah, he talked about how him and Jalen Hertz had conversations when Marquis Brown was headed to the NFL draft.

You know, he was considering coming back to school. So him and Jalen did cross paths there, said that him and Grant Calcutera came into Oklahoma together. So he said G-Calc is my guy, my man. Really? Yeah. Well, that's interesting. They were like recruits together. Sure. G-Calc is my man. G-Calc. Yeah, I think he either called him G-Calc or Calc, one of the two. Love that. Yeah. Ultimate Vibes guy. I was the one who asked him that question. I said, like, do you have any relationships with anybody else in the building? And I think he was like, taken aback by me using the word relationships. Yeah. He's like, what do you mean? What are we talking about?

here. He said, I found this very interesting. He said he, he, he, I feel like I haven't played my best ball. I feel like all that, I feel like all that is still in front of me. So here in Philly, I'm ready to introduce Hollywood to the city of Philadelphia. It's a good quote. It's a good quote. Yeah. Said that he feels more explosive than he used to. I think, you know, he's, he really is, he had an interesting perspective on the injuries that he's dealt with and how he wouldn't change anything about how he found himself in Philadelphia. He's got a very like positive outlook for what's to come. I would say not to pour water on the idea of Hollywood here.

Yeah, absolutely. I don't think you're being like like the opposite of Polyanish by saying like, you know. I don't think there is a single position. Yeah. In the NFL that has less team to team variability. in terms of performance, then wide receiver. I mean, we've seen it, right? Change of scenery for a wide receiver.

Wide receivers are who they are, and they are usually who they are by at least the second year of their career. Yeah. Whereas, you know, even quarterbacks can develop over time, and offensive linemen can find the right system. I think tight ends,

maybe it's just a longer development curve, but maybe once they are who they are. Yeah, although the top guys would take a lot of time, corner is a little bit like that but there's more variability in the level of performance. Linebacker, you know, you saw it with Zach Bonn, like that can really change.

I think safety is probably like that as well. I think wide receiver, I mean, Hollywood Brown's numbers are very consistent over the course of his career across three schemes. I think that's the level of performance you should expect from the Eagles, which is not bad. Sure, yeah. I did find it interesting

that he, I know you laughed when I said it, but he specifically talked about Jalen Hertz's ability to throw the deep ball. Yeah. It's something that he hasn't been quite as effective, Hollywood Brown that is. You would expect him to be that effective in those areas. He hasn't quite been. And I think, you know, in tandem with what Fran said a few days ago about him being, you know,

an option on jet sweeps and on underneath routes where you can get the ball in his hands and get him running after the catch, I do want to see what it looks like with him as a field stretcher because, you know, that's a strength of Jalen Hertz's, obviously. And it should be, at least theoretically, a strength of his as well. It also reminds me, I mean, it does, the way that we were talking about the Stone Smart edition. Yeah. Howie has kind of hit a bunch of his little kinks this offseason that are just very, a lot of typical Howie moves. Yeah.

You got a former first round pick wide receiver. You got a tight end who used to play quarterback who could develop. There was one more in my head. but like there are a couple like very howie moves that they've made you got your Florida guy Florida guy another guy who you know I remember when he was good yeah

I wonder if Hollywood Brown came on a pre-jave visit to the Eagles you while I find this out um no no never mind I am so stoned dude stoned there's a tight end name stone dude Oh, we should totally sign it, man.

It wasn't my favorite of the ones, but that was good. I think it was a layup. Yeah, it was a layup. Yeah. But I do think the operating philosophy of the offseason is coming into focus. I'm trying to think of which one is my favorite. I was going to sign a tight end, but then I got high. It was really good. That was good.

What do you think Howie thinks when he watches these? Like, how does he know? I mean, certainly, I mean, to call it not. is probably being a little bit even not giving it enough credit of him seeing these. I'd say it's like maybe 25%. 99. Yeah, I was going to say, like, it might be sandbagging this. Yeah.

So what do you think he's, what do you think he's thinking when he watches that? How does he know? Okay. He's thinking, does he have a camera in here, man? He's paranoid. I don't think Hollywood Brown took a pre-jave visit with the Eagles. Okay. But yes, they were linked together as a real possibility of that pick.

Okay, Superchat. I'm going to let you think about this one, E.J. Okay, we're going to go to break. And on the other side, you can answer this question. The super chat question is dream blunt rotation from the current roster. How many are in a blunt rotation? That's my first question. It's up to you.

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slash underdog Back in the PHA and Y Eagles podcast Bo Wolf and EJ Smith we had a whole bracket we were going to do today do tomorrow of unlikely things

that could happen next season we're gonna work our way through that bracket you know what we could do oh man YouTube boy over here is really about to set this thing on fire he's going to pour some gasoline on it

so we have our regions we've done eight each what if we ask the chat comment after the video is one after the show comment some unlikely things that could happen next season and maybe we can have like a field

of what would that be math another 16 32 or you can take we could take away some of our own we could take 16 from them and we could do a feel of 32 okay we know what they're capable of now we there's no more babying the audience things like Johnny Munt catches a touchdown pass

Nick Siriani gets fired well you probably have that one in yours well I know but I'm the idea of things you know, Sequin Barclay rushes for 1,800 yards. You know, one of mine. Things like that. So comment below the video. Things like that.

It's got to be a comment so we can like save it though. It's got to be a comment. Toss us some suggestions. And then we'll put it all together in a big bracket for tomorrow's episode. And if you don't, if we don't get enough comments, then we won't do it and it'll be your fault. And we won't even do a show tomorrow. Oh, now we're talking.

I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. All right. Are you ready for your dream blunt rotation? Yeah. So let me just, we're going to keep it PG. It's creep over time.

And I'm not smoking with these guys. I don't, I don't, I don't do that. And I wouldn't want to make them do that either. So we're going to, we're going to, we're going to make it a little bit cleaner. This is just like a dream like hang out. Yeah, we're going to hang out. We're going to, yeah, maybe, I mean, we're all adults. We can have a beer.

So that's what we're going to do. We're going to do the beer rotation. We're all going to be sitting around in a start. Not the same beer. We're going to all each have a beer. So I'm going to, I saw in the chat that your rotation usually needs to be five people. I think I've got, I've got six. And I'm going to stick with my six, but one is a former player at this point.

So I think that's fine. I'm going with the three obvious ones. As a reporter, I want to hear from these guys in a natural setting. Sequin Barkley, Jalen Hurte, J.J. Brown. Let's hear from these guys. Let's get some unfiltered thoughts from these guys. Take on talking to your off about crypto. And then from there, I do have some vibes, guys.

Some guys who I think would be good for comedic effect. Devante Smith is the obvious one. Some of our listeners, real listeners will know. Jahad Campbell is on that list too. He's got a big personality. He's going to be bringing the vibes. And he really is kind of like, especially with Sequin.

He feels like the little brother a lot of the time in a way that I think would be fun. And then you got to have Nikovie Dean in there. I know he's not a current Eagle anymore, but... This is just a hang. This is... Yeah, that's what I said. We're just hanging.

Yeah. I'll give you my answer. As it was intended. I think I've got four people here. Okay. Now, I do have Jalen Hertz because I think you'd get a different side of Jalen Hertz in this... Well, yeah. In this capacity.

But I also want guys who are, you know, it's got to be... it's going to be good vibes. We can't have Jalen and AJ together. It's going to throw everybody off. No, maybe that's what they need. Jalen. Jordan Davis, who you know is going to keep the vibes high.

Bring some cookies. Make us laugh. That'll be good. Jordan Milata. Jordan Milata. Maybe it's... It felt so bad. So bad.

Not very good. Maybe at some point the two of them harmonize. We get that going. That's fun. And then my other one, who I feel very good about here, Zach Baum. Because if we're ever trying to have some deeper intellectual conversations,

Zach Bonn is the one who I think can bring that to the table. Also, Zach Bonn and Jordan Davis, they can talk Pokemon. Everybody here has little touch points with each other. I feel like I have nailed this. And I look forward to making it happen for a video, which you can only watch on PHOI. I don't think you're going to be able to get that to happen. Yeah, I don't know about Zach Bonn.

He's a very thoughtful guy. I don't know. I could see that going either way with him in that group. I feel very good about that, I have no qualms about that at all. I think the nature of the conversations that I have with Zach Bond versus the ones that you have with him are very different.

So that's probably why we feel differently about it. I feel great about that group. Yeah, I don't know. I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have, I mean, we could have done this all day and I wouldn't have gotten to Zach Bond. If you had to include two coaches, who would you include?

Oh, I know my two. Well, Vic, for sure. It's Vic and it's Bobby King. Bobby King would be really strong in there. He's got a great. personality. He's too scary. I don't know. I don't agree with that. No, I don't think he's scary. I'm going Vic and...

What about? Wash? Wash should be fun. Probably Joe Pee. Joe Pee is a good one. That's a really good one. Joe Penanzio. Yeah, he's a vibes guy for sure. Yeah. I'm going Bobby King and Joe Penanzio. I mean, sure, like Vic in theory would be fun, but if he's actually there, he might not be fun. You think Bobby King is scary and yells at people. Well, Vic is scarier and yells at people

probably more than Bobby King. I think you're like miscasting Bobby King is like a yeller. He's definitely a yeller. No, he seems more nuanced than that to me.

His players love him. I'm not, he's a very good coach. Connor Barwin. He's not a coach. It's a good one. Yeah. Front office guy.

I feel very good about my group. Let's do it. do a poll, Lindsay, who had a better blunt rotation? You're desperate. You've lost like four polls in a row. No, please. This is not even close. I don't even think I would win this poll. I went chalk. I went with the reporter answer.

Week. Yeah, have fun winning the poll. All right. Super chat. Another one to get to. Sorry to give you extra work, Lindsay. You just got Lindsay doing everything. Dinkleberg. Howweed Roseman, best bit on the show. That is very funny. Hangman sticks.

Good question. Is it possible? that the team acquired Andy Dalton so that they could add Tanner McKee into an AJ Brown trade to someone like the Rams needed a backup before they would commit it's a fun idea you guys can clip this

if it happens I have a hard time seeing the Eagles trade AJ Brown to the Rams I just have a hard time seeing that if it were to an AFC team that needed a backup yeah maybe maybe I think you're right. I think that you were right about that.

It feels very un-Hally Roseman to trade A.J. Brown to one of the most... They would have to really... They would have to really overpay relative to the Patriots. Yeah, it'd have to be like two future ones or something crazy. Now that... That's actually a fun one. I know that people are so sick of the A.J. talk. Would you trade A.J. Brown and Tanner McGee for two ones, two future ones.

The Rams 27 and 28 first round picks. knowing that Matthew Stafford's only playing one more year and Sean McVeigh might retire after the season. Yes. I probably do too. It'd be such like a sad thing for the fans because you're kind of punting on this season. Like you're creating a super team in your own conference.

You're creating a super team in your own conference and you're giving away one of your best players to do it. T is that making them a super team. Yeah, but you know what I mean? Like you're trading away. Although I mean your argument would be that you're prolonging the super team by giving them Tanner McKee.

Well, I agree with that. I agree with my argument. Two future ones from that team, though, in a potential post-John McVeigh-Row? I think you've got to take that too. That is one of the more fun, fake trades that I've seen around A.J. Brown. Because I think the Eagles might do it. But again, it's be such a depressing thing for the 2026 season. I don't think that trading AJ necessarily means you're punting on the season.

Yeah, but it's trading AJ to the Rams. Yeah, but, you know, there's no guarantees for them either. Sure. I mean, it's the NFL. There's no guarantees with anything. Not for long. You know what I mean? No Fun League. I think No Fun League is more fun than not for long. But I also don't need to be lectured about like the fact that it's a business and, you know, all the things that the players do need to keep in more. Yeah. New freaking lips. Never heard that one before.

Nelly for Tato's legs. Weird one to think of. I'm surprised you. You came up with that so quickly. I do like a Nelly Fretado. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That surprises you.

It doesn't surprise me. I don't really have an opinion either way. I am like, I feel like at least I am the perfect age for promiscuous. Like that song came out at like the perfect time for me. Way better. I mean, what year do you think promiscuous came out?

This is a game my wife and I put out. Two thousand. I'm going to guess five. I'm going to go like 07 2006 Right in the middle That's a fun game Have you played that game?

Just did just now It was fun wasn't it? Okay You did it? There's an ice box where my heart used to be I'm thinking of Timberland songs now I'm gonna guess I don't know that song

Yeah you do Lindsay you know that song don't you There's an ice box where my heart used to be I mean I basically just did You don't know that song? No. I'm so cold. I'm so cold. You don't know that song. Oh man. Um, I don't even know where to go from here. It's a good song from a Marion. All right, you pick a song now. It's got to be one I know, though. Sean Paul temperature. Oh, that's a good song. Um, wait, which is that Shardy fireburn on

the dance floor? No, that's, I got the right temperature. Japh, Shata, you, okay. Yeah, that's a good talk to. I'm going to guess 2005. I'm going to take the under there. I think it's 03 or 04. Really? Nice job.

You finally want something. I win a lot of things. You did win the poll, though. Yeah, that wasn't even close. So you like the chat today. They were right. Yeah, sometimes they're right. Oh, it changed.

I was I thought it would have been 69 and that's why she was telling you to look at it yeah 69 are okay boomer speaking of like feeling very old did I tell you guys that um I asked my class about TikTok did I tell you about this I was like show this is like so professorial I was like show of hands how many of you are in TikTok they all raise our hands and I'm like, oh man, my wife told me to delete TikTok off of my phone for security reasons. And I thought that was like a reasonable thing to say. They all laughed at me. They laughed like hysterically about like look at this old guy worried about his data security.

Okay, boomer. I think you, I think your wife was right. I mean, I think she was too, but they, they couldn't believe it laughing at me. Okay. It's the Eagles make. Are you a little bit surprised that the Eagles continue to make these little think of signings and we haven't had an offensive lineman yet? It's a good question.

I am surprised that they haven't addressed offensive line yet. And that might be reflective of the fact that they are waiting to see what happens with Fred Johnson, who's still out there. But yes, I mean, it would be unlike them to leave that for the draft. although they did do it last year so you know there is precedent like they the two Fala Lalei hasn't signed yet huh

hmm what would you have expected him to get I don't know he would make some sense oh cushionberry for the pushingberry is still out there and he's a street free agent I didn't give you your flowers on that that was good I mean I've been calling that for years so it's not like I just came up with it

so that shows that I'm not a true sicko um Joanne Taylor. I mean, Bechtin's still out there. Kelvin Beecham. So rudely campaigned against by J.C. Treter and Julian Reeves Maven. Jonah Williams who we talked about,

I think it would make some sense. Yeah. Yeah, I'm surprised he's still out there. Will Hernandez, dear to your heart. I don't know. Oh, you know who Will Hernandez is. Why am I struggling here? Put me a...

Oh, they guard, huh? I like it. Yeah. I don't know why. I was like trying to think of like a nefarious reason you would be bringing him up. Shots, explosives. It's literally like straight out of succession. I like it.

I like it. Who else is out there? Coyote. Oh. Coyote. I think that would make sense. Yeah. You think.

in a post-outland world, it's still makes sense? I don't know enough about what they want to do. Okay. I am less surprised now than I was before you read through the names that are still out there. Well, we can talk about it more in overtime. I am a little bit surprised. They haven't signed an offensive lineman

from the standpoint of this is a new scheme. It's a new coach. I would have thought that there was a template-type player who they wanted to bring in as like, this is the guy who can show them how to do what we want to do. like an athletic interior alignment it's like this is a Johnny Lutz type you know yeah this guy has been with the scheme yeah or a while or translator not not that Chris

Cooper is necessarily moving the needle in terms of who they should sign but somebody to be you know the example for the younger guys at least yeah no I agree with you um and also you know maybe there's four guys who fit that bill in there waiting to find out whose price is gonna I was going to say, I think that my guess after you reading through those names, it wouldn't shock me if they're waiting on one of those guys to finally accept that their market isn't what they thought. Yeah. Okay. But they did go into last training camp with a lack of depth at offensive tackle and at edge rusher.

And I said on Anthony's show this morning, I think they probably will go into this training. And now, listen, there's a lot of time between now and then. But it wouldn't shock me if they go into this year's training camp with a similar hole at edge. rusher, you know, like a bunch of dart throws on one-year deals, but no clear like number one, it would surprise me if they don't have a swing tackle going in the training camp. I think that's fair. Yeah. All right.

Good stuff, everybody. This is a fun show. Fun show. Made it happen. Aston Villa, on in an hour. I'm going to have like four different screens on when I get home. Big flex. I mean, it's going to be my laptop and like a picture and picture.

It's not going to be that much of a flex. It's okay. But lots of watch. If you want to watch, E.J. Watch. I don't know. About a $100 super chat. No. Again, we, I don't, I don't think somebody would do that, but that's not a promise.

We're not doing that, so don't do it. But please do comment below the video with your possibilities for outlandish or unlikely things that could happen to the Eagles next season. We can use it for a bracket tomorrow. we will join you then at 2 o'clock for Lindsay and E.J. I'm Bo. We thank you very much. We will talk to you tomorrow. And as always, we love you.