PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles NFL Draft NIGHT TWO: Howie Roseman ready to POUNCE with three picks | PHLY Eagles

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

After stealing Makai Lemon from the Steelers on Thursday night, Howie Roseman is ready to attack the Eagles’ needs with three picks on day two as he sets his sights on help at tight end, along the offensive line, at edge and in the secondary. Does Jonathan Greenard play a supporting role in tonight’s proceedings? Fran Duffy, EJ Smith and Bo Wulf take you through all the action on one of the most fun nights of the year. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome tonight to the PHY Eagles draft show presented by Fanatics app. And there it is. Fantastic. We got a lot to do. We're live at the Xfinity Studio, Bo Wolf, Fran Duffy, and E.J. Smith, very exciting. After Mackay Lemon became the newest Eagle last night, the Eagles now set with three picks on day two, including one in the second, two in the third. we're going to hear from Mikhail Lemon. You were there, E.J. How's everybody feeling about night two?

I'm excited. Night two is one of my favorite. I mean, look. It's at least one of the three favorite days. All three days have their specific charm. And I think that teams that have the most amount of day, like the most amount of day two picks, it's usually the teams that you say like win the draft for more often than not. And so the fact that the Eagles right now have three selections, it's exciting.

We'll see what they do. Well, how do you feel about day two, EJ? I enjoy all days. of the draft. I enjoy, I do, I do. I enjoy all days of the draft. I enjoy day two, uh, from a reporter's perspective because you get to hear from the first round pick more often than that. We heard from McCoy Lemon, which I enjoyed. Uh, it was good to see him, good to meet him and see his family and kind of hear from him. Uh, I enjoy that aspect. And then that gives you some momentum going into the second round and the third round of the draft. So I enjoy day two. All right. We are going to get

into all the players that we think could be possibilities here, uh, for the Eagles on day two, the positions, but also just is there. somebody who could fall all of that stuff, how we expect the early part of round two to break down. But let's let's start with Mackay Lemon here because in a little bit we're going to hear from him. Having had a chance to digest it all, Fran, where do you stand on the Eagles moving up three spots, trading two fourth round picks for Mikai Levin to add to this offense? Yeah, the way that I've kind of after sleeping on it and kind of, you know, letting it stir over the course of the morning, I think where I've landed is that this was a player

that throughout the course of the process was a little bit of a slow burn for me, an easy player to like, but a little bit of a hard one for me to fall in love with. But the reservations I had, it was more by the where I landed on it, I would say like post combine, was okay, if he goes to a system where he is going to often be put in motion, he's going to be protected off the line of scrimmage, lots of stacks and bunches, and he doesn't have to be the guy in the offense. You know, if he goes to the Miami Dolphins and he's the immediate wide receiver one and, you know, maybe it's a little more static with how they use him, that scares me, right?

But if he comes to this offense where you already have Devante Smith and you're going to be able to run the football and you're going to keep him in motion, you're going to do all these things that we expect Sean Mannion to bring to the offense, I feel really good about it. And I would have felt that way if he went to the Rams. I would have felt that way if he went to the Niners. You go down the list. If he went to the Vikings, I would have liked that. So the fact that he landed in this situation, I'm good with it. And to me, I think that's how you can maximize his ultimate upside. How about you, E.J? Yeah, the thing that started to come front of mine for me as I drove home from the Jefferson Health. complex last night. Are you getting paid by them? Because you're really hitting that one hard. I'm trying to like burn it. Yeah. I'm trying to like have the repetition so I don't say no. The Eagles Complex.

It's fine. Yeah, okay. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I don't know. You know what? I think it's fine to say what it is. Whatever you want.

Whatever you want. Get it committed to memory. As I was driving home from the Eagles complex last night, the thing that's became front of mine for me is the, the strengths of Mackay Lemon don't necessarily align with the way the Eagles played offense last. season. Yeah. But they align with the way that we expect the Eagles offense to look next year.

And I think, you know, this is another step toward what the Eagles offense has to do in terms of evolution. And frankly, what Jalen Hertz has to do in terms of evolution. You know, Mackay Lemon is a player that finds a soft spot in zone. Soft spots in zones. He works well over the middle of the field. He works well. It seems on the outside of numbers as well, but he is not the type of player that you want to

line up and say, go win your matchup. Yeah. He is the type of player that you want to be creative with. and his strengths really do, if you can be creative with him, compliment what you can do with a player like that. You know, he is reliable with his hands. He's good after the catch. He's got a physicality.

I think all of the things that the Eagles like about him are valid. I think that they are just going to have to use him differently than we've seen them use a receiver. So it is a projection for that reason. He is a player who you need to have a plan for. Yeah, right? It's not just, as you have said, just go line up and win. He has to be a part of the way that you are designing the offense.

and getting him in, you know, advantageous situations. And we said it last night, it is now, like, fully on board. There better be a lot of motion in this offense. And I think it's a good indication that this offense is going to look a lot different than we have seen this Eagles offense look in the past. And by the way, like, he is not a, hey, go line up outside the numbers and run a fade and go win down the field. That is not his game.

His game is work in the middle of the field, working traffic, finding soft spots in zone coverage. So, you know, I think there was a. stat from Dane Bruegler, like 70% of his, of his catches came between the hashes. And it's like, all right, Jaylen, like, Tyneau attack the middle of the field, right? To me, like, this is not a good or bad thing. No. It is just the numbers tell you that he is towards the very bottom of the league and throwing the ball over the middle of the field.

And that needs to change in this offense. If you are swapping out AJ Brown for Mikhail, I know that that is like reductive, but it is honestly the way that it's going to look on the depth chart by the time the season comes around, you don't, you no longer have like the man beating, that you had in AJ Brown. You don't have the player that, yeah, it's like AJ's down there somewhere. You don't have that player anymore.

Honestly, Eagles are doubling down on zone beating receivers now with Devante Smith and Mikhail Lemon. Obviously, Devante can win against Mann as well. Devante is a very good receiver, but it is interesting, like a stylistic, building this offense in the vision of Sean Man. I don't know if you saw the clip of how he making the call and announcing it to the room,

but the look that him and Sean Mannion had for a moment there. I don't know if you noticed that, but it does seem like this is a Sean Mannion inspired pick, just in the sense of what the offense will look like next year, and it is a step toward the evolution that I think is needed for them. Now, I think it is easy to get caught up when analyzing draft picks in ascribing like full intentionality to the selection as if the Eagles entered this draft and were like, McCoy Lemon is the guy we want to pair with Devante and Don Tavian Wicks, and that's how we want them all to look. That's the guy that they could get.

You know what I mean? Like it is possible that they would have preferred Jordan Tyson, who went much earlier or or it's possible they would have preferred cadden proctor whatever it is this is a guy who you know as they stacked the board was the last best player available yeah they have a plan for him but it's not as simple as saying you know they they were drawing you know Sean manion was drawing up the concepts and he all he had mckeye lemon in mind all along right yeah i think i should note from howie rosen's press conference so they said they had 15 players yeah and there was basically a tear break after those 15 and those 15 players were the players they were willing to move up in order to in the draft.

He said that he didn't, he expected there to be more action in that range of the draft, but it kind of, like, that range ended up being a little bit later than they expected. And McKay Lemon was the final player in that top 15 that they had on their board that they were willing to move up for, which is why they made the move.

Could be a fun exercise to try and, us trying to figure out who were the 15. I think I could do it right. I think we could, I bet we could do it right now. Take that, take the four, so it would be five names that wouldn't be, right.

Who were the names who were not on that list? Right. Caleb Banks. Yeah. Ty Simpson. Probably. Maybe. Maybe.

Yeah. Malachi Lawrence? Oh, wait. He went after. Sorry, sorry. Yeah, yeah. I would say. Let's say.

Blake Miller? I think I would say Blake Miller. I would say Blake Miller. I think that's correct. Honestly? Oh, no. Sorry, we're doing 15. Never mind.

I was going to say Monroe Freeling. I think that's a conversation we can say for later. Yeah. I don't believe the Eagles were in love with Monroe Failing. I think if they were, they would have traded up. Yeah, I mean, he went a pick before they could. A pick before they moved up.

Yeah. So I think I would, I would feel pretty strongly about saying that they had lemon higher on their board than Frieling. I would agree with that. Delane? Did you've seen the trade up for Delane? I think, I think they would have had him in the top 15. Right.

I don't know. I could see him being off. I think so. Could Tyson have been a medical red flag and not on their board for that reason? I doubt that I think it's possible like they wouldn't have used to pick on Yawane or Sadiq just for a position

Yeah, trade up for one of those guys Yeah Do you not even include Mendoza Because you already know like that one one Yeah, that's what's done Like I so remember that's a good plan Yeah But I don't think that's how they do it

I think yeah Yeah I mean I think they have everybody on the board Yeah but I'm saying like if you have this is my list You know the list of 15 yeah Well they said they had 23 players who they would have been willing to take at 23. So I'm sure that that includes Mendoza. But I think that thought process goes all the way back to 2014

and the Marcus Smith draft. Like that I mean like the whole thought process of we are going in. If we are picking at 31, then we have to have a list of 31. If we're picking 19, we better have a list of 19. And this is our order. And if we get stuck at 19, this is who we're taking. I think it all stems from that draft. Howie did say that they had a few picks past 23 as well,

that if they were willing to have an idea of what they would be to do in a trade pack, how far they would be willing to trade down. And then I just says we're talking about the aftermath, stuff that we didn't cover on the show. Obviously, Mackay Lemon was on the phone with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, let's talk about this. Yeah, on the phone with the Pittsburgh Steelers, when the Eagles traded up to get him. You know, I said it earlier last night. Like, you know, Howie Rosen's trade was obviously very warranted because the Steelers were kind of already taking their victory lap that they had gotten him.

And then, yeah, how he swooped in to get over them. And, yeah, I think that, you know, we've talked. talked before about the Eagles, they go through all these different scenarios. They play out all these scenarios and simulations for how the draft might play out. And my guess is that they viewed the Rams and the Jets as the two potential landing spots for Mikhail Leman. And once he got past the Jets, they were aggressive and they knew that the Steelers are going to be that next team. That could be a landing spot for them. Yeah, I mean, it's a good process. Yeah. You can argue about you're probably overpaying a little bit based on the trade value charts. I think we can give Howie some

time to see if he recoups that as the weekend goes on. This is him, this is his MO. The player himself, you know, might not be considered a number one caliber wide receiver and might not be a guy who goes 20 in every draft. But the process of moving up for a player who is the consensus top player on the board at a position of value, that is good process. And we'll see how it works out. I think it's an interesting one to follow. The clip was funny. I mean, when Mikey, I mean, when, Michael, like he's on the phone with the Steelers. Like, why is Philly calling me? He's asking the Steelers and they're probably like, we don't know.

I'm mad. I'm mad. I'm mad. Andy We must have been so mad. Well, I was listening to our good friends, Shippapapati and Zach Berman this morning. And the shield brought out the idea, like, does Andy Wilde, the Steelers know that the Eagles have a rule that like,

they're not making a, they're not drafting a guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's like, no, don't pick that up. Don't answer that call. I think it's the other way. I think, yeah, there's some. reporting in Dallas that like Pittsburgh thought Dallas was picking and then they found out who they were picking and then Dallas calls the Eagles and it's like hey you guys you guys want to come

get lemon from what I gather uh they changed from 10 minute to 8 minute clock um some teams were were like we were it was a little thrown off last night uh by the yeah how he was very into that in the beginning of the press conference last night he's like hey what how much earlier did we finish yeah he was very curious about that yeah and was happy with the with the change i don't know everybody will be happy but he's happy i mean the writer's That's a skill issue, right? It's like, if you feel like, if you feel like, if you're cocaine, Howie,

you want to be on a playing field where everybody has to move as quickly as you're thinking. I was disappointed you didn't do Jerry Weed Rosemith or Jerry Reed Jones there where like, Hey, Howie, you want to come up and get Mackey Lemon, man? All right, let's take our first break here on the PHAI Egos Draft Show. On the other side, we're going to bring you

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What was today like for you? Yeah, I flew in from Pittsburgh from the draft. Yeah, so it was about an hour flight. just getting over here, you know, me and all the coaches, you know, just having, you know, conversation torn the facility, you know, just getting a note my future home. Can you describe how, like, what it was like, you know, you get the call from the Cilers and then, you know, all of a sudden the Eagles were calling me, like what that whole experience was like? It was a shocker, really, you know, getting the call and then having the Eagles, you know,

call me at the same time. But, you know, I feel like it was just all a blessing. I landed, you know, where I needed to be. And I couldn't, you know, ask for, you know, a better team, you know, to be here. So, you know, I'm super excited. Have you heard from any of the players, you know, some of your new teammates yet? I definitely, you know, Jalen Hurts, you know, texting me, you know, is reaching out, you know, just congratulating me and just letting them know, like, yeah, I'm ready to get the work. For you the kind of receiver who wants to spend as much time with the quarterback you can?

Yeah, 100%. You know, just, if me and him are on the same connection, you know, just, you know, helps the team. So, you know, anyways, you know, I can get a better connection with you. with him, you know, just learn from him, you know, such a great person on and off the field. So, you know, I'm willing to do that. What makes you excited about playing in this office? Yeah, definitely. You know, it's a winning program.

So I'm excited for that. And there's had the mentality that I have, you know, to this whole team, you know, just the type of mentality that they have, just playing for one another, just going to be selflessness. And then, you know, if I add that to the offense, it's only going to make the team better. Mackay, the physical element to your game, where does that mentality come from? And can you talk a little bit about that? Yeah, I feel like I just had it in me

before I even realized it. And then just growing up, older and older, just grew even stronger. And then just playing the game with so much heart and passion, just taking it so serious. And then when I step onto the field, just try to dominate. This is the game I love.

So, you know, I don't cherish any time that I step on the field. Was there anything that in your youth that made you tough? That was something that's with how you make emphasized yesterday. I don't think there's one specific moment. I feel like there was all the moments, you know, combined together, just working hard for everything that I have, you know, nothing given to me. So just keep my head down, working hard, had to push through, you know, all the child tribulations.

Just made me with a person and the player I am today. What did you have a receiver who might be a little undersized but not play like it? I think it's just a mentality and the heart that you play with. You know, the body type, you know, you can get full by that. But, you know, your heart and your mentality that you approach to the game could take you a lot farther than, you know, just your height and your size. Because starting your NFL career, I'm asking about the start of your college career. You know, you had some patience at the beginning,

the receiver playing a little, trying to a little corner. What was the patience like and working through, you know, that journey for you? Made me who the man I am today. not just, you know, the player, but a man, you know, just working hard, having to, like I said, just having to fight through, you know, all the trials that are going to come up in the road. And then, you know, just perseverance and then just waiting for the opportunity. And then that just made me, you know, ready for anything that comes my way. On the call, how we discussed the walk you guys took on your visit.

What's your memory of that walk in the conversation you guys had? Yeah, it was a great walk, definitely, you know, just to get to know him more, you know, for him to get to know me. just type of player that I am, the type of person that I am, you know, just knowing that, you know, I would love, you know, to be a part of this organization. So I'm glad that I ended up here. Do you have some baseball, obviously, right, in a couple of locals that played at a high level? Yes, sir. Playing baseball, did you ever consider playing baseball?

Yeah, I played one year, you know, just try it out. But I never really fell in love with baseball, really. It was just football, a little bit of basketball. But I did try out baseball, but that wasn't really my thing. difficult, you like that. Just how you can compete at a high level. Then just how you can just, like a team game. I feel like there's no other sport, you know,

that you got to play as a team, play for your brother right next to you. So I think just to competitiveness and just togetherness, I think those are the two main things, really. Do you anticipate being part of a return game in the NFL? Really, whatever, you know, the coaches and the team, you know, needs me to do, but there's special teams, you know, receiver or whatever, you know, they want me to do.

Just doing that my best ability, doing at a high level, you know, each and every day. What receivers do you? Yeah, there was a couple. I feel like I gravitated more towards receivers like my body size, the tie that they bring with. So I think, you know, whoever, you know, kind of plays with that, you know, that greediness, that toughness, that selfishness, I think that's where I'm gravitating towards too. Can you fit that?

I definitely say, you know, like a Jamar Chase type of guy, but, you know, just, you know, be on the egos and then just hearing about, you know, the type of receivers that they have in the room. You know, all the guys in the street room, you know, that's what they play with. That's the type of mentality that, you know, head coach preaches on to the guy. So really, everybody, really. As a problem to that, you mentioned last night, learning from Tompente Smith, how do you guys compliment each other? I feel like to compliment each other well. He could do a little bit of everything. So, you know, I didn't, you know, my game, my versatility.

playing, you know, inside, outside, where everything they needed me to do, you know, block in, you know, whatever they need to be do. I feel like it's going to fit with. Where do you feel like that's getting at the game? Yeah, I feel like, you know, that kind of graduate, you know, moved into, you know, me just having a love for the game and then say, like, I got hurt one time and then just knowing, you know, me,

I feel like you don't really realize, like, what you got until it's taken away from you. So just knowing that and then just creating that love in that seriousness for the game. Just taking it serious. I feel like going through those trials definitely helped me realize that. The Iowa game is discussed often with you. What about that game in particular showcase who you are?

I think just me being ready for the opportunities and then just being, you know, ready and capitalizing for the team when they need me to, you know, just being patient and whatever presents itself, you know, just being ready so I can help the team in any way. You know, I can't. Going back to your first year, Southern Cal, how did you end up playing quarterback? You know, there was guys down at cornerback.

A lot of guys getting hurt. They're real slim. And then there was many receivers in front of me. So I took it upon myself. You know, they asked me if I would like, you know, to play, you know, corner. I took it without no hesitation. You know, any way I can, you know, to step on the field, impact the team in a positive way. You know, I'm doing that.

And now I'm doing a smile on my face. and you know I feel like it helped me as a as a person as a player you know going to the defense you know having to you know switch my mind you know learning new techniques so I feel like it was only for the better had you put on corner in high school or any time before that yeah I did play a corner in high school you know they seemed I was an athlete knew I seen I was real fluent so I feel like it was a smooth transition for me I definitely I feel like that's one game that they definitely um you know, bring up when I'm talking to them. But I feel like, you know, really any game, you know, showcases my talent for sure. But that was one game that definitely, you know,

rings bells. On that visit, what else did you learn about Philly, about the organization that you meet anyone here, like future teammates, coaches, and whatnot, or see the city at all? I feel like one thing that stood out, just talking to the head coach, just the type of, you know, mentality

that he preaches, you know, to the whole team, just having that together. this, the selfishness. I feel like those are two main things that are going to take a team far. And when you're preaching that, you know, from, you know, one of the guys like him, that's going to definitely take you far in the season and get you with every team, you know, desires to get. There you have it.

Michael Lemon, the newest Eagle. That was fine. From him. Yeah, yeah. I was going to say, honestly, he's a little bit bigger than I was expecting him to be. Okay. You know, based off of just the measurables. Yeah.

No, he looked a little bit bigger. than I would have thought. You got a good spot there. Shout out to Brina. Yeah, I got a good spot, but Brina did a good job cropping it. Because, I mean, I shot it wide, you know, but it's like, you know,

blank canvas for a good producer. And thankfully, we've got a couple of those here. Better to be too wide than too tight. You can't push out. These are all things I'm learning now. Yeah. Great job by you. Yeah.

Good stuff. What is the, we're five minutes away from the start of the second round here, but there's another Mackay-11 conversation you'd like to have here, you know? Yeah. So I think that. that Mackay Lemon as a prospect was a good exercise for me to let or good, it was good for me to

think through like the way that I felt about him before the, before the draft and kind of talking to Fran, talking through this with Fran, I thought was really interesting. I thought it'd be good for the show. A lot of times you'll hear with especially first round receiver prospects, well, he can't beat press. He can't beat press coverage. It's a big projection in the NFL's can you beat press. And to me, I've always used that as a benchmark. Like if he can't be press and I'm always going to be a little bit lower on him. But I think with the popularization of the McVe-Shannahan offenses, there's a little bit more wiggle room with a player that has attributes that really work in that system.

You don't need them to beat Pressman as much as you maybe would have 10 years ago. Especially the fact that not only the popularization of like the Shanahan, but also the fact that just teams are playing less press man than we've ever seen. I think the fact that it's mostly zone heavy, like, you know, that allows a player like Mackay Lemon to be able to thrive a little bit at a higher rate. And I think at the end of the day, you know, like I remember a year ago at this time, everybody was looking at Seattle and saying, all right, you have Jackson Smith and Jigba, who's a slot receiver, and you just go and sign Cooper Cup, who's also a slot receiver.

How are both these guys going to coexist? They must not like JSN, you know, that kind of thing. And then JSN goes on to lead the league in receiving. I think the fact that that offense reduced splits, motion, stacks, bunches, all those different things. There's lots of tools in a coach's bag now that allow you to be able to hide. a player like that and allow him to thrive and do what he does best. Yeah, like if you watch him, if you watch McKay Lemon against Notre Dame,

it's a little bit concerning because of how much he faced press man coverage. But on the flip side, like you watch him against Iowa and it's like this guy's one of the best players on the draft. So it's a use case thing for him. And I think the Eagles are confident that they have the right use case with this new system. The degree to which it sounds like this offense is going to be different. Yeah. The ones we've seen in the past couple years.

It just, I mean, it underscores the importance of. Sean Mannion as just a main character in this new Eagle season. Yeah. And also just the importance of how good is he as a teacher? Because there's a lot of stuff that they're trying to be throwing out there right now. And it's going to be incumbent upon him to get everybody not just on board, but like explain the wise, the hows, and actually implement it all. Can they afford a slow start? Yeah, I think they can afford a slow start.

Billy style. Can everybody afford a slow start? I mean, depends how much defines start. Right. Well, asking me again after the schedule

released. Eight games? Half of the season? Yeah. It's a big task. Big task. All right. Let's pivot a little bit here

and talk about what is to come tonight, round two. The Eagles. Three picks, one in the second round, two in the third.

How many turkeys you're putting on on how he trades down at least once tonight? Oh, like 80? I don't say 85. I'll take 81. Because right now they only have two picks on day three.

That was something he mentioned in the press conference too early was that trading those two fourth rounders was not easy for them, especially because he always talks about the scouts. And like the disappointment from the scouting team, those were early picks on day three. Those are. Scouts day. Yeah, exactly.

Like you get to sleep on this and like you have their big meeting where they pound the table for some prospects. so I do think it'll be a priority for him to get some of those fourth rounders back. There's also a thought about this draft class, which, you know, as you have said, Fran, you've been going throughout this process at different stages being like, oh, man, this really is not a good class. Does that mean that you don't need as many day three picks as you might want?

Does it mean that there's less of a difference between round three and round five? And so you could parachute down from one of these third round picks. There's an interesting, like, philosophical question there. I think you can talk yourself into both angles of it. I think that there's part of me that says, yeah, like trade up when you can to try if you have players that you are higher on than anybody else, you know, be convicted in that. But obviously, if you have a situation where all these guys are leveled out, then you want more bites of the apple to say, all right, we want to make sure and just take as many steps as we can.

So I think there's a lot of ways to look at it. And it's not going to be the same in the fourth round as it is in the sixth round as it is in the second round tonight. Like it's going to change and evolve over the course of the weekend. But yeah, every step along the way, obviously as I'm going through and, you know, you know, stacking my first board back in the fall. The first time I do a mock draft, you know, I feel that one. I'm like, man, like this, this, I'm putting Cardinal Tate at number four.

You know, then you're doing the two-round mock draft. And I get the second round, I'm like, oh, like, I don't know, doing all the positions with you guys over the last few weeks. So at the end of the day, yeah, not a great draft. That said, there's talent every single year. And if you were to take, you know, insert your insert, you know, Jason Kelsey coming out of Cincinnati. Sure.

and plug him into this draft class. That's not moving the needle, but you find a future Hall of Famer in the sixth round, right? So it's up to the Eagles. And it's up to all 32 teams to say like, all right, who are the guys that have that ability to reach that ultimate upside

and become a quality player for us? Just a piece of context on the volume here. Like right now they've got six picks. The last time that they made six or fewer picks was 22 when they had a five, actually, yeah, yeah, five player class in 2022. That was the Jordan Davis here. But generally, I do think the Eagles

like to have. more volume than that. Yes, they've got the 22nd pick of the second round tonight and then the fourth pick of the third round and the third to last pick of the third round as well. If I had to guess, I would guess that first third round pick is the one that maybe gets them enough

to be willing to move down. Because the second round pick, to me, there are, we can get to the positions we'd like to see them attack where there are short and long-term needs, but given the way that the board has sort of plotted out, I just

want to see them take a player who's worth a second round pick. Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't necessarily have to be, you know, a guy who could compete to be a right tackle of the future or the guy who's going to be your starting tight end or a guy who could compete to start at safety. If it is a corner, that's fine. And there actually seems to be some depth at corner.

I just want to be a guy who's like, yeah, that's the guy who deserves to be a second round pick. Honestly, as I was looking through the list, I'm like, all right, who are the players that I think the Eagles could take in the second round at positions of need? I'm looking. I'm like, I don't know that I'm all that. excited about a lot of these names, right? If I'm looking at offensive line, which, as we talked about, especially the tackle group, that that dries up when you get to round two. Yeah. You know, I'm looking

at tight end. I'm like, all right, Oscar Delp, start the run on tight ends. He'd be the guy I'd probably started on. All right, you tell me on him with the 22nd pick in the second round. I get excited by that. Okay. I don't think that, I don't think an ideal world is them taking a corner here at the spot. Safety, I think you dried up at that point. There could be a guy at corner who's really truly the best guy there. No question. Like, you know, my favorite corner of the draft is still here, You know, Avion Terrell, you know, and who knows who he makes it that far. But at the end of the day, they, yeah. I'd rather take a good player than a...

Right, you would rather have DeAngelo Pons. Right. Than force Jude Belton. Right. You know what I mean? Yep. We're speaking his language with DeAngelo Pons. Sure.

I was going to say that at 54, it does feel like it's a tricky spot. I think like best case scenario, one of these guys that we are maybe surprised a little bit, into day two. Because I've seen people, I've seen Eagles fans saying, like, they should move up and get like a Chase Bassantis or, you know, one of these guys who again slipped into day two. I just don't see them moving up because of the number of picks that they have.

I think, like, a best case scenario is probably like Trade and Stoaks. Makes it to them at 54. Oh, you don't like Trading Stooges? He's a 60th. He's a 60th. You're right. Yeah, I got to know my audience on that one. He's going to be 25 and he's a projection. He doesn't even, he's never even played safety. Yeah, I like Trading Stux.

like the physical traits. I like the, I like the, I like the projection, I guess what I would say. We're going to have to have an interesting conversation if that's the pick. It's a,

I don't think it makes it on there anyway. Because, woof, as far as I'm concerned. But yeah, I mean, like the best case scenario would be Emmanuel McMill Warren falls for some reason,

right? That's a plug-in-pat guy you would think. Asantis would make some sense as well. Yeah. I think the offensive line guys, it's not great. No, I tried it up quickly.

And let's actually, let's take a look at the history, the recent history, last six drafts or so, of the offensive linemen who have gone. Okay. From the second half of the second round, Lindsay, let's pull up the tackles first because we talked about,

the best tackles come in the first round. That's not a surprise. Right. But, you know, it's the best guy here is Sam Cosmi. So Sam Cosmi, Luke Geddiki, Dylan Radens,

Roger Rosengarten, Patrick Paul, Kingsley Suamataea, Blake Fisher, Ozzie Trapilo, Anthony Belton. That's not the worst group of players.

No. But that's a good sample of like the likelihood of the player you're likely to get, you're likely to get, which is at best, a starter.

Yeah, a couple of the guys here have had to kick into guard. You know, one of the players that's on the board, Caleb Tiernan, one of my comparisons for him was Luke Gedicki. But that's the thing

is that a lot of these guys, even looking at this list, they're not players that the Eagles would have taken, right? Because at the end of the day, you know, if you're looking for like those unique traits, those unusual traits, by the time you get to this point, yeah,

it's honestly like if you were good enough to go in the second round with an unusual trait, you would have gone in the first. Yeah. So the guys that are going to have the unusual traits, they are much more raw, are much more unrefined and they're going like third, fourth, fifth round. I think that's how Bell is not impossible in the same round,

but. Well, I know, it seems rich. Yeah, it'll be a little rich. Maybe that's a trade down a little bit I could make a half-hearted case for Tiernan Yeah as a like they're moving

They're shifting to a different offense Which doesn't probably because really I think He is a like It seems like as a prospect If you can get past the arm length with him There's a lot to like now again Like the Eagles might be a hang up for the Eagles But maybe in this system you prioritize

The movement skills enough where you do Talk yourself into a player like him Now the flip side to that is guard where Honestly the track record in recent years is not that much better, but it is better, and there's more upside there. And you can see why that has been historically the case. So you got Creed Humphrey, who's an all pro, Cam Juergens, who's a pro bowler, Ezra Cleveland, Josh Myers, Osiris, well, he was a good pro.

He was a two years ago. It was funny. The way you said it was. Zach Frazier, some people like Tate Ratlach had a good rookie year. Fraser is a good player. And then Ed Ingram, who did not work out well with this offensive line coach, John Michael Schmitz and Juice Scruggs. which is a great name.

Yes. Great name. Mix bag here. Another mixed bag. Yeah, mixed bag. But some higher players in there. Yeah. Honestly, it's the centers that we're good.

Like, Humphrey, Jorgans, Frazier, all were hits. You know, Josh Myers, he kind of fell out, but everybody else from a center standpoint. Like even John Michael Schmitz is a solid player. Maybe maybe Connor Lew night. Connor Lewis is a good player towards ACL back in, in October. So he was the top 30 player for me. over the summer. But he's like, he's a center only.

Like that is a straight, like we don't think Cam Jergens can come back kind of deal, in my opinion. Or you're moving to guard. Or you're moving to guard. I mean, because when you look at that list, it is like the guys who fell because they are centers only are the ones that really pan out there more often than not. Yeah, we just don't see centers go in the first round. Yeah.

Yeah. Let's talk to Edge then. And let's start by addressing the rumors that are out there about Jonathan Grenard and the possibility there. We talked about it a little bit last night. But, you know, would you, would you, would you, rather have Jonathan Grenard and paying him a new deal than the second round pick second? Second.

I'd rather have the second. I think I'd rather have the second. I think I would too. I think this team would rather have the second. Keep going. Okay. The first third. Which is number 68.

Yeah. Fourth pick is the third round. It's tough. I'd probably rather have 68. Would you rather have deny Dennis Sutton or Jonathan Granard is the question? It's a tough question. Would you rather have denied Dennis Sutton under cost control for four seasons? Right.

Or Jonathan Gernard at $29 million a year? I don't think it's going to be that much. They're not going to pay that close to Gillian Phillips. Yeah. I think it's going to be like, yeah, I think it will be south of Jalen Phillips. Yeah. But not a ton south. I think that's, once you trade for him, I think that's the hangup is what's that number going to be.

Yeah. I would think it's more. 25. 25. 26. This is getting me PTSD from the Jalen Phillips conversation we had. Every day we're like, is he going to make 27? There's no way.

And then he got 30. I would probably rather have denied Dennis Sutton, but that's hard. That's where there, especially for this team. You can't pay him that much? No, they can't. That's what like, I get, like, O.A. got 25. Yeah. He's not a free agent, though.

It's different. Yeah, but I mean, if you're trading for him, again, that's why. You're only trading for him if you can come to a term on an inevitable deal. that's why it's taken as long as it has. Yeah, I wonder if that'll happen tonight. If it doesn't happen, this is a spot where somebody good could fall to that. Somebody, you know, real. T.J. Parker, like, that would be awesome.

Yeah. He probably won't get quite that far. Deny Dennis Sutton's out there. Gabe Accus feels like a bit of a Vic, Vic guy. He could potentially get there. How do you feel about Cassius Howell? No. He's not an Eagles type.

Yeah. I think the Eagles type set off the edge. I think you're looking at T.J. Parker. I think you're looking at Denison Sutton. I don't think Ar Mason Thomas fits them necessarily. It's too bad I like Armason. Yeah, I mean, he's explosive. I think he can be a designated pass rusher type,

but I really worried about him against the run. I worry about Cassius Howell against the run. So to me for tonight, I think you're looking at T.J. Parker from Clemson. You're looking at Denis Sutton from Penn State. You're looking at Gabe Accus from Illinois. You get into the third round, Derek Moore from Michigan. I think he run Crawford from Auburn is interesting. And I think that that could work.

Jayshon Barham from Michigan. I think that there's something there with him as well. Some people like Zion Young. How do you feel about, you know, you're a little bit lower on him? Yeah. In terms of an Eagles fit.

He's tough because I don't think that you're dropping him at all. He's like a Josh sweat body type. Yeah, I don't, I think he's like a pure like four three end. I don't love him in an odd front. So I struggle a little bit with Zion Young. And then also, like,

I worry about like the athletic, the athleticism and the overall pass rush upside there with him. Those were probably the ones for a day two. I know that they did they have, did they have Ramello Heighton? They might have. A 30 visit. Yeah,

that one would surprise me too. This is a 60-year senior. He was a late breakout. The three different schools would be on it. I believe it was USC to Georgia Tech to Texas Tech if memory serves. He's lean. That's that, Yeah, I don't know about that one.

So I'll give you two, because listen, he talked a lot about who the Eagles are going to take in the first round, and they ended up taking somebody we didn't really spend a lot of time talking about because it surprised us so much. Can I give you two names that would be like the Howie-Wowie-Wally? Sure. Garrett Nussmeier, I think is one. The second one, I have to look again because I'm missing him. Shoot. I think on Nussmire. I think on Nussmeier.

Oh, wait, is the Niners have picked, start the round. And it sounds like DeJohn Stripling, the pick, which is interesting. Eagles brought him in for a pre-draft visit. Interesting. Big and fast from Ole Miss, but I think not the consensus top wide receiver. Yeah, that's surprising. But they need speed. That San Francisco team has needed speed for a while.

So that makes a little bit of sense. Yeah. He's their type. On Nussmeyer, I feel like using the first round pick on. on a wide receiver who's replacing a departed, a player who's to be departed, like you're not filling another hole, makes it less likely for them to use

kind of a luxury pick, yeah, quarterback in this draft when they're, yeah, I don't think that they need to draft for need, they have draft proofed the roster to some degree, but I think if the first one was a tackle, you could afford to take the quarterback. I remember when I did my first mark draft when I had the movie out to come out to be,

I felt the same way. Yeah. You know, where it's like, that is a little bit of a luxury pick on day two, you can't just keep taking luxury picks as a result. All right, two questions along that topic then. Let's say they took Nussmeyer. What is the lowest you would accept for Tanner McKee in a trade?

The lowest? Yes. I have my answer. I'll let you go first. And Deshawn's dribbling is the pick. I think the lowest I would accept is a 2027 fourth that has conditions where it could turn into a third. I was thinking it was a day three picks for tomorrow.

Yeah. It's got a, I mean, two fourths. two fourths so get what you got back from at least yep and i don't even think i would take that i think i would i was going to say a conditional third for next year that could turn into it yeah yeah i think you can take a third this year potentially all right so then the second question is is there anybody else on this roster that you would that you could see them trading for day three picks yeah yeah you're talking like a seventh right or a swap of you know fourth for a fifth type deal which is not might be able to You're going to be able to get more than a seven, I think.

I don't think you're getting more than a six. I don't pick a few years ago. Yeah, I think that he's played. Yeah. I think I do. I think that's a swap situation. Maybe. Yep.

I was thinking about this on the drive-in, and I couldn't get anyone else that I felt good about. Give you a spicy one. I don't think they'd do it, but I was throwing in for the sake of conversation. Okay. Moro Jima? Yeah, I thought about that. Get something for him? I think.

I don't, I think they're too, there's two positioned now. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I just, he is like so aggressively not going to be back past this year. Well, you know, here's the one I would, I think if you want to get crazy. We're going back to the Jalen Carter one. No, I don't think they're going to do that.

I think if you wanted to get crazy, if in conjunction with an unexpected Grenard trade, if you had a Nolan Smith bitter. Yeah. Yeah, but I think I think another at night. for tonight though right not for tomorrow yeah that's true that's true yeah that's true yeah that's what i think tomorrow i think it's ringo i mean is someone giving you something for trotter or mondan yeah same thing with shippley i thought about him but i just what are you getting for him yeah say it in the chat if you got more uh yeah jeffs jeffs jacquerian bennett i mean what the eagles just traded

yeah but for bennett was a it was a it was Thomas booker yeah that's right yeah so pretty valuable. I mean, I think they would take they would take a swap of seventh round picks for decorium. It doesn't even need to be. Yeah. Yeah. So my other surprise pick. Yeah. Again, not saying I don't think it's going to happen,

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as the Arizona Cardinals have made the second pick of the second round Chase Bassantis. The good guard from Texas A&M helps them out. You like that one, Fran?

Yeah, I mean, they need offensive line help. Obviously, they did not take the tackle last night. Basantis does not help them a tackle, but maybe they can shift some things around and see who they can get in there to try and get the best five on the field.

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It's a great time at P.H.O.I. So it's a lot of energy. A lot of energy. Good time to become a diehard. Great time. The Texans are moving up to 36 with the Raiders. And at 35, the bills have made a pick. Drafting.

T.J. Parker. Clems and Edge. He's like, that's, that's got that's got them all. Yeah. It's got them all over them. Yeah. Honestly, my comp for him was Bradley Chubb, and Bradley Chubb just signed there.

That is absolutely their type. I'm going to guess Houston is moving up for Caden McDonald. That'd be my guess. The nose tackle from Ohio State. Okay. That's my guess. Good guess. So we'll see.

How do you guys feel about the tight ends? Now, he's talked about Oscar Delft. He thinks that could be potentially worth a second round pick, where are you at on, you know, you're going to pound the table for Eli Stowers? No, I'm not going to pat on the table for you last hours. I think that that would make sense if it were maybe a round from now, maybe two rounds from now. I think that at some point the value might stand out.

I like it more than you guys, but I think that a combo tight end is going to be important for them. And for that reason, I have kind of come around on Oscar Delp. When we did our show where we went through the tight end prospects, I just, I was hung up on the lack of production and like really like the lack of like a real like, I mean, he's got. the physical, like, attributes that you'd want, but maybe not quite, like, quite as explosive as you would have wanted to see. But as I watched the rest of the guys and kind of went back to Delp and listening to Fram, who knows more about this than I do, I have come more around on him. And I think that he might be an Eagles type here in the second round. See, like he is the perfect Venn diagram of who your types of me. Yeah. Yeah. He is great.

Yeah. Yeah. Which is why I came around on him, I would say. He's not like, um, do you agree, He's not like a freakish athlete. No, I think he's pretty, I think he is? Okay. Like, you know, he's not. I don't know if it showed when you watched him. He didn't test. That's the problem.

Oh, that's what it is. I mean, he, the yards have to catch the ball with the ball in his hands, like the surge that he would have at the second and third level is, that's pretty unique. You got that big. For the record, I like him a lot more than I like Max Claire. I remember just not loving Max Claire when I watched him. Yeah. I liked Cash Merrick more when I watched those guys, which is not surprising.

That is not surprising. Like a Sam Rosh, you and I like him a little bit more than Fran does. Fine. If they're going to start the run, I don't know. Doesn't it make you feel silly when you like someone more than Fran? That's how I feel. No, as long as it's in like my principles, you know, as long as it aligns with the things that I like in prospects,

and, you know, I can acknowledge. It's not always going to be right. When eventually we will do my guys, maybe tonight or tomorrow, you'll see that I'm evolving a little bit. There's some more nuance to some of. over this positional evaluation. You say so. All right.

So the Texans on the clock at 36 overall. Eagles up in quite some time now. 54 overall. I'll have some waiting to do. It's going to be a long ride tonight. It's going to be a lot of fun. I'll be sticking with us. You had any news on Houston?

No, I'm waiting. I got to. Nailed it. Cade McDonald. Wow. Man. The guy is unbelievable. Nailed it.

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Tell them, P.HLY sent you and have a flying Hawaiian on Frayhan. Back on the P.HL.I. Eagles draft show, Night 2. O'W.J. Smith. the great Fran Duffy, the Giants on the clock. Now you have a bit of a spicy take on Kavon Tibido, Mr. Duffman. I do.

So it looks like they're going to be trying to trade the former first round pick after the selection of Arvel Reese. Do you think that's why Harbaugh is calling Arvel Reese an offball linebacker to maintain leverage there? Maybe. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

So he's calling Arvel Reese an off ball linebacker. Hey, we want to build up the spine of the defense and all that. really sold it. So there go. It is a corner for the Giants. They're taking Tennessee corner. No, not McCoy. Colton Hood.

Yes. Colton Hood. I'm okay with that. It's okay. I wasn't the biggest. Nobody needs to be too worried about that. Yeah, I wasn't the biggest Colton Hood guy.

I would rather, and now we don't know what the price is yet. Right. For, are we going with a soft Thibido? Or is it? I forget what it was. I think he might be right.

You know what? I would have said Tibido, but I think it might be Thibodeau. Anyway. Kavon Tibido, I think it is Thibodeau. I'm like trying to revert back to like four years ago. I would,

okay, I would rather pay the price on him and pay him the contract that I think he would get as opposed to Grenard and the contract he would get and the price he would get. So? I think the arrow might still be pointing up

on Tibido a bit here. It's an equalsy type move. Tibido, only 25 will be 26 in December. Yep. You know, two and a half sacks last season. Yeah. Five and a half the year before that, and he's missed a combined 12 games over the past two seasons.

His second year in 2023 had 11.5 sacks, played the whole season. So there's a history of production. Yeah. You compare that to Grenard, who had the back-to-back two seasons where he had 24 and a half sacks. But last year dropped down to three. and missed five games, and he is four years older. Yeah, like, I'm not, I'm not disputing the fact

that Gernard's a better player right now, but I think if I'm saying, like, all right, I've got to, I've got to, because honestly, the way I feel about it, if I'm going to pay that price on the trade market for Gronard and pay him that level of contract that we're talking about, just trade for Crosby. Like, that's kind of how I feel. Like, it's like, I feel like he is like right in the middle there

where it's like, all right, I either want to bring this down a tier or I want to just go up a tier. give me the great player that I know is going to produce for a couple of years at a high, high rate. Yeah, I struggle with the Grenard compensation. Okay. Maybe it'll be lower than we expect if it happens.

I like the, I like the Tibado idea, though. I think that makes a lot of sense. I don't know if the Giants would trade to the Eagles. Kavon Tibado and Nick Siriani got some beef. You don't remember this? Tell me about it again.

This is like only something in the Indian. I don't remember. I don't remember that one. Tibido did no angels. Next to who was it? Who is the Colts quarterback that broke their ribs? And Kvon Tibido was the one who hit him. Was it?

Was it Nick Foles? It was one of them. It was an Indianapolis Colts quarterback. They did Snow Angels and Cave or Tebowto did Snow Angels while they were like writhing in pain after they broke their ribs. I remember Nick Seriani didn't like that. And that Kvon Tibido, I think after the game was like, I don't even know who he is. Like who is this guy?

I think he was talking about Jeff Sariari. Saturday at the time, for the record. He was talking about Jeff Saturday being like, I don't even know who you are. And yeah, I remember thinking like, Nick's not a fan of that. It was Foles, by the way. It was Nick Foles who broke his ribs.

Yeah. Okay. I don't think they actually... You have another player from a draft pick last night you think is interesting. Your Jets drafted a tight end? You got that in the chat, yeah. Could Mason Taylor be a trade target for the Eagles at tight end?

To me, if they're already moving on from him, it's like the... Who's the kid from the Raiders? everybody's been talking about for years after they drafted bow yeah michael mayor yeah michael mayor it's like i agree with you yeah i mean if they're already moving on i'll give you a sixth yeah right exactly there's no way the price is going to make sense uh for the team acquiring them yeah agree with that all right uh back to the action at hand the giants drafting your boy colton hood bigger corner some physicality to him is have you learned anything about the kind of team that john harbaugh wants

to put together with the three picks they've made so far. Well, Joe Banner went on social media today and said, you know, hey, this is the Eagles philosophy through and through. Now, I think that Joe Banner might have been operating under the idea that Ravardt recent edge rusher and not an off ball linebacker, but because he was responding to someone

who had said that, that was surprised that they didn't take Caleb Downs at five overall. And it's like, oh, they would never spend that high level of asset on the safety position, ignoring the fact that they took us, you know, Kyle Hamilton with the top 15 pick and selected another safety in the first round last year as well

in Malachi Stark when he was in Baltimore. But I think that if I'm looking at Colton Hood, I mean, red flag for me, three schools and three years. Yeah. Only a one year starter. Transfer to Colorado in 2024, didn't play. Came over to Tennessee this year.

And his film is solid, but he was being billed as like a first round player. And going down to the senior bowl, it's like, all right, like, this is a first round guy. The senior bowl now, like, it's, you might have a handful of first round picks. I wasn't blown away by him, you know, up close. I thought the film was just okay. So if he was going to go anywhere, sure, they end up in New York. End up with the Giants.

They had too much momentum from last night. They had to trip up somewhere, right? I have bad news for you. Oh, no. Your boy just went off the board. Who is my boy in this scenario? I've got a couple. We know that.

The Raiders? Yeah, to the Raiders. Um, it's Chris Bois. Is it Stoakes? It is Stoeks. Oh, thank God. So Stooges goes to the Raiders. I mean, that just validates my point. Does it?

Oh, yeah, because the Raiders have such a sterling record. I mean, he just went earlier than I. I said that it would be a best case scenario because I figured he'd go early. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is the best case scenario. Saving the Eagles from themselves if he was on their board.

So we've got some. Duke's over. Emmanuel McNeil Warren. That's interesting. Yeah, I think that's who goes next here. I think I think Emmanuel McNeil Warren goes to the Browns.

Chiefs, that could be Chris Bell. That could be Chris Bell. Validating again. Or you actually, I kind of, oh, no, they took Elaine. I was going to say,

Germad McCoy actually is, not validating. It is validating. If the players I like go before the Eagles pick, I would have been good value where they were picking. Not necessarily.

Not necessarily. That's very funny. Tell us about Trident Stooks, the 145-year-old. So basically, this is a player that has risen through the process. He's a 60-year senior. He was very lightly recruited coming out of high school. He was like 150-pound track athlete, like all-state triple jump. I set all kinds of records out west and walks on to the football team at Arizona as a corner.

Plays his first couple years, there's a backup, works his way into the starting lineup, becomes a captain as a junior and it's just known for like sterling intangibles outstanding kid kicks into the slot gets hurt as a season season ending injury in 2024 doesn't play so comes back this season plays in the nickel he's a big he's a bigger corner and i'm watching him like i don't at this size i don't think he can play on the outside i don't think he runs all that well i know that there were other scouts that kind of shared that opinion that was the thought on him coming into the combine. So that's why he was listed with the safeties going to the combine, even though he's played fewer than 40 snaps at safety in his career. It's like a deep safety. He's only really

been an outside corner and then a nickel. Then he goes, he runs 4-3. And so, you know, everyone's like, oh, well, I guess he can run, but he's still being viewed as a safety. Phenomenal kid, really smart, hard work, or all the intangels. But six-year senior, come with the season-ending injury. And if you're playing him at safety, it's developmental. Like he's never played the position before. That's a tough bet. A not tough bet is for those of you watching on Fast to take a quick two minute TV break

on YouTube, stay with us. And we're back. Yeah, I just... A developmental 25-year-old. Yeah. Yes. That's not a top of the second round pick to me. They did list him at corner.

Should be noted, they did list him at corner. That is interesting. Yeah. Maybe they view him as a slot. Yep. I mean, he was on a pre-jraft visit with the Eagles, Yeah. I know he had fans. Some degree of interest for sure.

Yeah. Receiver off the board to Cleveland. And not Chris Bell. Not Chris Bell. And you're about to leave. I'm going to guess. Denzel Boston? Yep, the Cleveland Brown.

I was just going to say, I was going to give you the clues. The Cleveland Brown's love underclassmen from Power 5 schools. They go Denzel Boston. A player that, for everything I have heard was that in the first round, they loved Casey Concepcion. That's who they wanted to take at 24, but would have been happy with Denzel. up Austin as the backup plan. Okay.

Yeah, they are very different players. So they end up getting good guys. Okay. All right back. Good luck, Fran. Yeah. Fran is going to join the good folks at P.HNX. Talk about the Basantis pick.

There you go. How are you doing? I'm doing great. I enjoy this weekend so much. I know that there's been some speculation that day three I'm trying to get home early. I mean, I like to sleep as well, but I enjoy this weekend. Yeah, this is what I was putting together. We got a 9 a.m. Little League game.

Oh, I forgot you had a little league game. I'm going to be an interesting morning tomorrow. Oh, man. So it's tomorrow morning. You've got 9 a. Tomorrow and Sunday, yeah. Man. Okay.

I mean, listen, it seems like your team's trending in the right direction. I feel good about this for you. Looking forward to the games. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I love these kids. Yeah, it was, uh, I'm trying to think if I had any other takeaways from Mikai Lemon's presser for you.

Jalen Hertz reached out to him. Okay. which is like very customary for Jalen Hertz. Sure. And I saw Lincoln Raleigh did an interview. I think it was with the fanatic where he said that Jailor, you know what? This is a credit to Olivia Reiner at the Inquirer.

Okay. Spoke to her to her. Yeah, she's great. Yeah. USC's wide receiver coach who was also at Oklahoma when Jalen was there and said they are wired very similarly. Interesting. Yeah.

That's good. See if we can get that guy on the show. We should. Yeah. I mean, this is a good time. Like the peek behind the curtain as a report. order like getting the college coaches when one of their like star pupils gets drafted it's a good time to get them yeah there something let there gets their name out there yep exactly yeah absolutely

all right we have the kansas city chiefs on the clock after the denzil boston selection by the cleveland browns think that they wanted boston brand said that they might go wide out here it's possible who would be your now that now that your dream of drafting a cloud is I love Rodney McLeod. I'm saying Rodney McLeod now. Mid-career, Rodney McLeod now. Who was like your dream pick here? It's a good question.

I mean, Oscar Delper, I mean, right now available, Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Yeah. That has to be like the, that is the, OMG, how he did it again, player on the board. Outside of that, I think it probably is. I think, I think the dream is that there's. is just a really good player. Yeah. Like a McNeill Warren,

an Avion Terrell. That's a tough, it's a tough fit, though. I think Terrell is actually a pretty good fit. Long term, yeah, you're basically saying he's Rieke Wollen for us next year. Yeah. But I don't know. I mean, you are correct that, like,

they have to look at it long term there. But I think if you're an Eagles fan and, like, they drafted an A.J. Brown replacement and Rick Wollins replacement a year early, and they haven't dressed off the line. Now, I don't think that there's an offensive lineman that jumps out to me as a perfect fit here. I mean, I gave him Caleb Tiernan at 54

because I didn't love the options. And again, not necessarily the elite tools in his body. Yeah, and not like, we can stick this guy on an island and feel great about him. Oh, I see the pick is in for the chiefs. It's a guy that I like. Arm Mason Thomas. I like him a lot.

The edge rusher from Oklahoma, a little bit undersized. probably wasn't the ideal fit for the egos. But boy, does he have some really fun pass rush moves? Yeah. The way that he's able to sort of change gaps mid-rush is really fun to watch. Yeah. Yeah.

No, I enjoyed his tape. Obviously, I had some guys I like more. You know, I'm a big denied-dun-sutton guy. For me, Gabe Backus and is it J-Shon Barham? Yeah, J-Shon Barham, yeah. Both of those guys are like clones of each other to me, man. Like, I think... Really?

I think they're much different. They, I mean, I feel like their play styles very similar. They're both like... I feel like Accus is all power, whereas Barham is... Barham is mostly power too. Barham's smaller, but he is just like, I just want to run through... I like him. I like both of them a lot.

I'm trying to... Now I'm trying to actually go through, so I'll ask you. Who would like the worst case scenario be for you at 54? Who's the player that if they took, you'd just be like, I cannot believe that they made that selection. I know who it is for you. realistically yeah probably a manual pregnon

oh really okay I thought you're gonna say Eli Stowers yeah I mean I would I would be curious about that but

pregnon's gonna be 25 yeah yeah and honestly like he did not have as much power on tape as you would expect for a 25 year old yeah

like I don't know that's always one of those things like Markell Bell had some of that too I like Markle Bell but it's always like a little bit of a red flag to me when it's like, this guy's a mammoth, tackle prospect,

and he's not pushing people around. Star Wars, I would not love. Cassius Howell? I guess I could get on board with that in the second round. Yeah. Jeremy Bernard. I don't think it's realistic, but I wouldn't like that. No.

Even, they could take a receiver that I wouldn't be totally out on, but he is one that I would not be in on. No, no, no, I'm out on that. I mean, what about, like, Jacob Rodriguez? guess. It would stun me. That would be a shocking one. But, you know, I think it's important to say, you know, it's an important point about the

Mackay Lemon pick. Nate Borkature? Now, that would be, I would enjoy that for content. Oh, man. Any of the sickos who aren't already here would be rushing to the stream to see what you, see what your reaction to that would be. I was going to say that the Mackay Lemon pick is further evidence that the Eagles really have been, I wouldn't say like aligned with the consensus board

but I think they value the consensus board I think it's an influence. Yeah, but they have been willing to be aggressive to get players that are higher on the consensus board. Usually if you see where they're picking relative to the prospects that they select, they're usually higher on the consensus board than where their selections are.

Yeah, I think there can be a little bit of a misunderstanding on that front where it's like, the eagles are going by the consensus board. Yeah, I don't think that's it. And it's more that the consensus board reflects that the Eagles are plugged into what is the sort of the national wisdom in the league on the prospects. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

It's that I think it's more about the consensus board reflecting the Eagles trying to walk with in general consensus, as opposed to them being like, okay, who's next on the consensus board. Right. And I think it's also just a reflection of like value. Yeah. When you're moving up three spots to get a guy who's 12 on the consensus board, I think that's, That is good process. And it's honestly, like their draft record, they need to do whatever they can to keep that up. I mean, that is the difference.

That's been the difference for them. It is, I wonder if you're, maybe this is a good question for the chat here. I'm curious, like, if they're, because it feels like there's always a natural ebb and flow to draft success. Like, how worried are Eagles fans about like the natural ebb and flow that might be coming here? Especially because there's an urgency to get it right on the offensive side of the play. Yeah, yeah. I believe that the Bengals are taking Cassius Howl.

Okay. It's probably a relief for, at least for Fran, who was a little bit lower on Cassius Howl. He's a little bit lower on him. Some real questions about whether he can hold up against the run. Yeah. Which is a fair question. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. All right, let's take our next break here on the PHOI Eagles draft show. Are Mason Thomas off the board and Cassius Howell as well, so an edge, a run. on edge guys going. The Eagles are about 13 picks away. Getting close. What are they going to do? Some good players still available. Emmanuel McNeil

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when it matters, you know what I mean? What would Maddie P. say about that? I don't know. Probably something that sounds smart to someone not smart. There's a soccer coach that just got fired that people make that claim about.

A jealousy guy? Yeah, Liam Rissina. Like he sounds smart to a dumb person. Yeah. The man age. Aging men. You didn't hear about this? No, he manages to age men is what he said.

Really? Yeah, he said that. Sorry, that is not NFL draft talk. That's very funny. All right. Good stuff. Who do you want in the chat? Who are you hoping for?

Yeah. Let us know. Like, what's your, what's your dream? Emmanuel McNeil Warren's still on the board is an interesting one. Yeah. If the Eagles hadn't already traded their two-fourths to get, or two fourth-round picks to get McKay-Lammon, would they already have moved up to get McNeil Warren? I don't think so.

It would be. very reminiscent of Cooper to Gene type of situation. Yeah. Not the injury, but just moving up on day two to get a player that you had a first round grade on. I think McNeil Warren is probably like if he gets to us, we could take him. I don't know that they would trade a lot.

I think they would have maybe moved one of the fourths. Maybe that'll meet you in the middle on that. But I don't think it will happen at this point. I think that they'll have to stick and pick. I could see them moving back. I could see them. Yeah. I'm like I don't want to overweight

my experience going through the mock draft simulator this morning. But it was like a tricky spot where it felt like a lot of the best players on the board were corners or were defensive tackles. And I was just like, you know what, if they could move out of 54, move back and recoup some picks on day three, I wouldn't hate that outcome for them. I don't think that's bad. I still think they could like start the run at tight end or at least get one of their, you know, one of the tight ends that's high on their board if they do move back 10 or 12

spots, let's say. You're probably right. I think the corner of the positions where we don't think they're going to pick is the one where they could stick and still take a guy, just because it's a valuable position. Yeah. The Saints at 42, the 10th pick in the round, are taking Georgia defensive tackle.

Kristen Miller, probably a good result for the Eagles, not someone they would have been interested in. Yeah, I think if you're an Eagles fan right now, you're rooting for defensive tackles and corners to go off the board for the reason we just stated, linebackers, you're loving every linebacker that goes off the board. I don't think that there are many running backs in play at this point, which is unfortunate for the Eagles,

but yeah, you're hoping that somebody, honestly you're just hoping that Emmanuel McNeil Warren makes it to you. Yeah, I think already, I don't know that there's an offensive lineman they would take. It's just Tiernan. I mean, if you think they would take Tiernan. Yeah. It's like this isn't a good range for the offensive linemen we expect them to take, or we expect them to have interest in Jude Bowery, Isaiah World,

Markell Bell, Travis Burke, all those guys. Their range really starts in about 20-30 picks. Yeah. Now, you don't want to get too cute, but again, especially when you only have six picks, moving back would make a lot of sense in that scenario. How about Germad McCoy? You think they would, given the, he's obviously falling because of an injury. Yeah.

Missed all of last season for the torn ACL. There's more reports about how difficult it might be for him to come back. But the tape from two years ago was a top 20 pick on the outside, young. Yeah. I could see that. My pushback for you here is we heard from Howley Rose. was one before the draft that his, I guess he was speaking specifically about first round things.

Yeah, you're right. That didn't pan out. But I'm sure it extends to day two picks, especially today. Is there too much Sydney Jones in the Jermad McCoy evaluation? You know, a guy who tore his ACL in January 2025. And it was while he was training at home too, which is like a scary.

It's especially scary. I mean, I guess a non-contact injury can happen anywhere. But yeah, I think there might be a little bit too much baggage or scarring from the Sydney Jones experience there. But I mean, from a team building perspective, like a guy that needs a redshirt year, you have Rick Wollin for one season, you feel good about that succession planning. I could see it. I just, I don't know.

With the way the board's falling, I do think it's more likely, I would say. I think that's right. Kristen Miller, off the board. The Cowboys making a trade. acquiring 49ers linebacker D. Winters. One of the good full sentences out there in the least. league. D. Winters. Mm-hmm.

How is that a full sentence? Winter, winter is a verb. Okay. Yeah. D. Winters in Colorado. Okay. I, you know, I'm not fancy enough to be wintering anywhere, so I don't think of it like that. Neither am I, but D. D. D. does. D. Winters.

Oh, dolphins are taking Texas Tech linebacker, Jacob Rodriguez. Okay. There's a good one for the Eagles, too. Any linebacker who goes, C.J. Allen when he goes, that'll be good news for the Eagles. So 54 is on the clock now. Emmanuel McNeil Warren's still on the board. All right. Now we have some interesting reporting from around all city. So we're going to bring Fran in and we're going to tell you about some very interesting news to those sickos of you in the Roth.

Or no, the Rita's ice cold moment because this to me is ice cold. Sounds to me, Fran, like you were on with the PHNX guys. I was. You were talking about Chase Passantis. Yes. and you ice cold drop the name of somebody who should not be named? Well, here's the reason. So the offensive line coach for the Arizona Cardinals is Justin Fry,

who was previously at Ohio State, but before that was at Boston College and was the offensive line coach at Temple under Steve Adazia. It was a protege for him. Played for him in Indiana, followed him to Georgia, or to Florida, rather, and was his GA down at Florida and then followed him to Temple.

So as soon as I sat down and I was thinking about, I was like, oh, wait a minute. Like, yeah, that's the connection there as to why Basantis, why they like Basantis so much. Because Basantis originally recruited by, two Texas A&M, Biodasio was in, coach for him by the first of the man. I mean, you could not have a redder flag.

Well, I'm not, I think I would rather draft a 29-year-old. That is really saying something. Lions trade up. Lions trade up. 44. The lines just trade up for Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Well, let's get your quick thoughts here before we find out who this is, Frang,

on the last few picks, Cassius Howell, the Bengals, Kristen Miller to the Saints. Miller to the Saints, okay. And then the Dolphins taking, who do they take? Jacob Rodriguez, right? Diophins took Rodriguez, nice pick. Yeah, those are some good picks. Oh, there are some good picks.

Oh, here you go. Lions pick. It's an edge rusher. Hmm. One of the names I bought up is an eagles fit. No, is it an identity. No, not an identity. It's not an idea of it.

It's actually a guy that I felt would be a little bit lower on the board. So I think this is a... It's not barram, is it? It's not barring. It's the other Michigan Edge. Oh, Derek Moore. Yep.

Treated up for him. Yeah, traded up for him. Interesting. And they took Blake Miller yesterday. The lines always have weird drafts, I feels like. They always do things. They're taking friends guys.

Sometimes they've had. My gosh, yes, correct. Weird drafts. Yeah, everyone's no while. Yeah, they don't have as much regard for positional value. They do have that, like, we're drafting good football players, baby. This could be the turning of the tide for the lions, really going in the other direction. And that's why that has been your ice cold moment presented by Rita's.

The Lions had been on a drafting hot streak, not so much anymore. We got nine picks until the Eagles are on, well, would be on the clock at 54. Yeah, we're getting close. Nine picks, yeah. All right, we're moving. Nine picks. McNeil Warren's still on the board. How about to say?

I might try. That's an interesting dream to hold on to. Wait until they get closer, and then we should start listing the six or seven players that we think would make a lot of sense for it. I want to ask you about, do you think that they would take a chance on Jermad McCoy? He's going to process that one.

About them in his track. They could. Yeah, they definitely could. Here's the concern on McCoy is not his health now. It's not his health tomorrow. It's his health four or five years from now. It's like the Jayaheae, like degenerative knee like issue.

That's the concern. So at some point, five years from now or so, like it might just completely go. That's kind of the concern. Just disappear? Is he's going to just fly away? Yeah, gone. That knee's arms are going to be tired. I used to Sydney Jones comparison, especially how he talked about players that kind of fit

the description of the picks that they've made that haven't worked out. Yeah, that was tired. different deal though. He missed his whole, he missed the whole rookie year. Like that, I think this, this is,

it's not the opposite, but he's going to, he's fine. Like he just ran four three a few weeks ago. It's that five years from now, what's it going to look like? That's fair. McNeil Warren.

Yeah, let me, honestly, I would, the corners who are on the board are good enough that it would be worth it for me. Yeah? Whether that's Terrell,

yeah, but say France, what's still in the book, right? man d'angelo panz in the secondary would be so fun how do you think vick feels about it vick must love him oh yeah i would think that he loves him yeah how could he not he hasn't you cannot watch de angelo ponds and not fall in love with him yeah uh that would be awesome you can have everybody come in like i mean listen

there's a bunch of teams ahead of them though i think that might the numbers on his measurable and stuff are nuts If you are unfamiliar from Indiana, under 5-9, 5-8-and-a-half, 182, with 29 and 3-8-inch arms. All of those would be the lowest measures of any elite corner in the sample. Yep.

But he had a very convert. Yeah. And he is. He's awesome. Tough and has nails, man. Watch him against Denzel Boston. If you have concerns about his height, watch him against Denzel Boston.

He's awesome. He's a great player. Vic Vic does love him You're right Vic is probably Doing what you're doing He's probably trying

Not to get his hopes up right now Oh That would be so fun It's strange We're talking so much About secondary here Like going to That's what the value is right

Right It just speaks to Yeah where they're at And kind of what What presents itself on the board You know Other options here So how many picks away

Atkinson Dennis Sutton Both there Yep. They could take any of the tight ends. Any of the tight ends, Justin Jolie, Oscar Delt, people like Max Blair, he's there. Sell me on, sell me on Pregnon? Pregnon. Okay.

So Emmanuel Pregnon, 60-year senior at Garg. Congratulations. I think he would be, you would be expecting that he'd be able to compete at right guard right away. He's been about, it'd take about nine months for him to get ready. yeah i think that when you're looking at uh at pregnon he's he's a phone booth player he's big he's strong he's not the most explosive athlete um but honestly like brandon brooks style like that's kind of what you're looking at here like that's he's he's big and

he's tall and he's powerful uh he's not like brooks was a better athlete especially like at his peak like he was a better athlete than pregnon um but i i remember watching him for the first time and i was like he's a good football player. He is a good player. He's going to go at some point here in the second round just because I think he's kind of viewed

as plug and play. Give him a bump. Must have been quite a showing that Fran saw. I've tried. It's pretty good. I think Zion Young is going to be a Raven,

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Back on the P.H.O.I. Eagles draft show, Bo, Wolf, E.J. Smith, Fran Duffy. Keep sending us, please send us those setups that you got tonight. What is that a reaction for? An Eagles tie-in goes to the bucks. Philadelphia native Joseph Joseph

Trotter in the second round Over C.J. Allen Over C.J. Allen That's interesting. Yeah. People were talking about C.J. I like, I like, he was one of my highest grade linebackers, but everybody was like, oh, yeah, he's a first round pick.

And it's like, no, like, he's a nice player, but he's not that level of physical specimen. But I like C.J. Allen. I would have taken him over Trotter personally. But, but yeah, Josiah Trotter, going to, I want to Tampa. It's interesting. A couple pieces of YouTube business to discuss.

First of all, a lot of people watch it live. Please hit that like button. Please. I'm not asking for much. Just hit the button. Please. Do it. Number two, I really appreciate what seems to be a nice organic groundswell for some

Lemon Party merch. I think we could put some heat behind that if the powers that be or if they see enough of an organic uprising here. So you've got to comment below the video. We want Lemon Party merch. It can't be the chat. It can't be the chat. It's going to be a comment underneath the video. I think if we hit critical mass there,

if there's enough, if there's enough behind it, who are we to turn it down and not listen to the people? I don't, I still don't know what it is. So I just feel like I got to steer very much away from this without knowing what it is. I think we can, I think if you're all really interested in it, I think we can make it happen. Is it okay for me to say I'm steering away from it?

Like, is that an acceptable thing to say? Everything's acceptable. There's no judgment here. No. What are you saying? I think we can make it happen. Yeah. It's destined.

Okay. I'm not looking it up. I'm too scared. Colts. Now on the board, which is the 15th pick of the round. He goes the 22nd pick of the round. So we are getting close. Caleb Tiernan.

Markle Bell. Emmanuel Pregnan Those are really the I think Tiren and Pregnan are the only possibilities Is there anybody else who could surprise us there in the second round?

Bowery? They wouldn't do that right. Is there an interior guy or another guard? I had been taking Bowery in the fourth round. Now listen, I'm not the orator on where these guys

are going to go, but that does feel very... I like Jalen Farmer, but that seems... I love Jalen Farmer, but yeah, that seems to a little early round. Yeah, yep. And then, you know, none of the centers. No, I don't think there's anybody that makes sense. I think that's a two horse race for the offensive line.

Yep. I think the Cowboys made a trade for a linebacker. They did D. Winters. One of the great full sentences. Of course. We talked about this while you were gone, that winters is a verb. Like D. Winters in Aspen. Now I don't winter anywhere, so I never really crossed my mind.

I mean, I winter in Philadelphia. I went to at the P.H.O.I. Studios. I don't change it for anything. The dentist. Did I, Dennis Sutton, Gabacus? You see the chat? What?

I don't know, man. If it's not, I think if Emmanuel McNeil Warren lasts, I kind of think that is the pick. Mike Garifello reporting the Steelers just traded up to 47. I bet they're drafting Mackay Lemon.

They're on the phone with Mackay Lemon again. They're like, they call him. It could be. They're just, they're just, yeah. It could be Bell. They're drafting AJ Brown.

It could be Chris Bell. Yeah. It could be Chris Bell. I don't think they're anything in a quarterback. I'd like a, Chris Bell and Aaron Rogers sounds like a really fun pairing to watch combust. He's their type, though.

They like the bigger body, yards after catch. You think about a lot of the guys that they had success with in Green Bay. He definitely fits them. To me, if EMW is gone and they stay, right, it's either one of those edges, DDS or ACUS, or I think they just take a corner because there's really good corners. Or do they start the run on tight ends? I would rather them just take a really good corner than start the run on tight ends

when there are so many tight ends they can get. I mean, or they move down. If you feel convicted that a guy like Oscar Delp is the second best tight end in this class, yeah. I could see that. Yeah, this is going to be interesting.

I'd rather have maybe on Terrell. I'm looking to see where are the, where are the potholes here for McNeil Warren. I think I'd rather have Pons as a fan of the story. Carolina. Pons is probably. Carolina at 51. Pons would be fun.

Carolina, yeah. They were a Thenaman team. The team. Yep. Oh, actually, but I think they're a Halsey team. I think that I had heard that they really liked Halsey, the safety from LSU. So I could see him going to Carolina at 51.

That's going to be interesting. I don't want to get my hope. It's not as well. I want to get like inside five picks and then we can, you think it's a real possibility. Who? EMW. Yeah, I think looking at this, yes.

Let's talk about the player. Minnesota too because they didn't take a safety Oh man He's actually a great fit for Flores McNeil Warren would make a lot of sense in Minnesota Okay tell us about the player All right so

Emmanuel McNeil Warren Tall long safety Multidimensional skill set This is a guy that can come downhill And defend the run I think he does a really good job running the alley Making tackles one-on-one in space He got better as his career went on

He had some missed tackles as a junior And then early on last year but I think he really rounded into form there. Really stands out the ball skills. This guy that can finish on the football. He reads things well as a post-safety. Like if he's lined up in center field, reading on the football and making plays,

I think at the end of the day, one of the things I also liked about it was that he also had tight-end match-up ability because of his length and his movement skills. He's not like an elite athlete. People worried about what the speed was going to look like. He ran well enough, but, you know, not a big-time mover there. Jeremy Bernard to the Steelers. Yeah, that's a receiver.

So to me, when I'm looking at McNeil Warren, the lone thing that gives me pause for this scheme. Okay. Split safety coverages, reading things out, like all that. I think that for me personally, and that's one of the reasons why I compared him to Grant Delpit, Grant Delpit is like modern day, strong safety, roll him down to the box, you know, play close to the line of scrimmage, match up on tight ends. It's kind of a defined role. Whereas with the Eagles defense, we know it's like kind of kaleis go. right? It's like, all right, they're going to play. You're playing from that split safety shell,

and it's cover four, it's cover six, it's cover two, it's all the different coverages and all the different permutations of the coverages and being able to read that out and pattern match and read what the offense is doing and anticipating. Like, there's a lot of thinking involved. I don't know that that's necessarily a strength in that role for McNeil Warren. So that would be the one thing that would give me pause about him, you know, fitting in this guy. And him and McCuba together. How do you, how would you like that pairing? I think they would complement each other well from a skill set standpoint

yeah because I think Maccuba I look at as like your new age free safety that can match up at times and you know against smaller guys and then I think with McNeil Warren he's more of like New Age strong safety that can match up against bigger bodies because of his length.

If you had to guess why do you think McNeil Warren has fallen as far as he has? I think probably one of the reasons that one of the what I talked about in terms of like the defensive fit I don't think he's a fit for every single defense. Yes. Yeah.

It'd be interesting. We have another like eaglesy tie in here. The Atlanta Falcons on the clock. Former Eagles executive Ian Cunningham making his first first hit, our manager. Yeah. And great guy. I like Ian.

And some of the Bears picks over the years since he was there. Yep. We're kind of not eaglesy. So I'm curious to see if there's a diversion here from the way Ryan Poles ran things with, with Ian. You know me? This is very exciting for me. me because I love trying to be

to follow. Yes, exactly right. So my guess is that it will be very Ravensey and he's off to a great start. Because he took my number one corner on the board. So Avion Terrell. So Avion Terrell joins his brother

in Atlanta. Oh, that's what a story line. A.J. Terrell, a corner with the Falcons. Very cool. The story I can get behind right there. Yeah, that's a cool story. That's a, yeah, that's like a no-brainer for them. Yeah, that's great. That's, man. What's the example of, I guess the Watts just did in Pittsburgh?

I'm missing anything else recently? Oh, yeah. They had the Herbigs. Yeah. Yeah. And the Haywards. And the Haywards. Oh, wow.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes. Who was that? Oh, my gosh. Shack and Shahim. Yeah. Yeah.

Thomas? Thompson? No. Griffin. Griffin. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.

Jack and. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell you what, I had been looking at the Falcons in thinking about trade possibilities. Okay. Because of how deep they are in the secondary now. So with both Terrells, Xavier Watts, Billy Bowman, I'm wondering if Jesse Bates is a possible trade candidate. Okay.

Post June 1. Let's talk about it in a couple of picks. Let's see if Emmanuel McNeil Warren's coming through the door. That's true. Yeah. All right. Avian Terrell off the board. I think he could have tempted Howie

just in terms of the grade sticking out. Okay. I think we should take our last break here because now we're getting really close. Yeah. So let's do now. Yesterday we did that and they traded right up into the spot.

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and Ashley and we're closing in Vikings are up now. This is, I would just keep on McNeil Warren. That's why I was distracted is because the Panthers are apparently on the clock at 49. Oh, now maybe they're moving up to get McNeil for it. That makes sense.

Yep. This could be Halsey. It could be either one. If you're the Eagles, who are you rooting for in that spot? Who would you rather go off the board, Halsey or McNeil Warren? I mean, I think Halsey is probably a better scheme fit. You can go, I can go either way. Yeah.

I mean, I really, I have a higher grade on McNeil Warren. I had a higher grade on, then on McNeil Warren than I had on Thinemann last night. I really like the player. So, yeah, I feel like it's McNeil Warren. I feel like,

or you're hoping McNeil Warren makes it to you. I think it's a, more of a value play. And, you know, I like the traits with a player like McNeil Warren. Now, obviously there's, there's the, when you know, Mitchell connection.

Yeah, he was a McNeil Warren with a sophomore. When McNeill Warren was a sophomore when, when Quignon was a senior. That was the year he finally began to be a starter. Correct. So there's a little, it's not quite the Terrell brothers,

but. It's a little something. Nick Siriani will have good intel on him because he has a good relationship with former Toledo head coach, Jason Candle. So, they will have a lot of information

on the player and the prospect. Okay. If he makes it there. What do you guys want? Let us know in the chat. I think the chat. There's some, there's some,

some helium for Caleb Tiernan, I see. For Tiernan? Yeah. I like Tiernan. Yeah. I don't think he's a Howie Roseman. Yeah. I think he's in the second round, right?

Because he kind of reminded me of Jack Driscoll. There's a little bit Jack Driscoll there. Yeah, but yeah, I think that's a day three guy. All right. So the Vikings are taking another defense, or no, it's Panthers that's traded up. That's right with the Vikings. So the Panthers are taking Lee Hunter,

the defense tackle from Texas Tech. Oh, that's great news for the Eagles. Great news for the Eagles. Yeah. No pass rush. upside just straight run defender he i think he's got a little bit more rush upside but i actually it's similar to the kid from uh kentucky last year that that that zach uh yeah dion walker uh where he's supposed to be like this big stout run defender but he gets moved off the ball he's kind of

some of the worst testing results in the uh in the jumps that i've ever seen in my life yeah 21 a half inch and and and a hundred inches in the broad yeah i mean just don't test my man how about to say, like, what are we doing at that point? But it didn't seem to be very... I'm surprised the Panthers took him. And trade it up for him. He'll strike me as a Panthers type. Yeah, let's...

I love the setups. Oh, man. What a flex that is. This is like the... That's ultimate... What a flex. Five TVs. This is it.

That's the one that makes the laugh. Got to get the laptop and then an extra. monitor of Steve Adazio. Terrible boss. And then this is a five screen or two. We've got three laptops. And then a nice,

a nice two TV situation. Is this like borrowing the kids' iPads? Good looking fireplace there. That is a nice fireplace. Yeah, that five screen setup was awesome though. Yeah. Keep sending those. Those are fun.

In the middle. I mean, to take the middle screen. I don't appreciate that. Yeah, this guy emailed it to me too. Which of respect. Well, yeah, he's got, he doesn't, man, look at that.

He's got a free laptop because he's got five screens. He doesn't have swoop. Yeah, maybe he's a big swooper fan. Now, what is that underneath there? Is that like a soundproof thing? Oh, it is. Yeah.

Impressive. Basement goals right there. Zach Frane, send your, send your picture either to P.H.O.I. Eagles or E.J. on Twitter. Yeah. Keep taking a look. I'm honestly, a little bit surprised.

Nobody included a lemon party in there, but that's... We wouldn't have been able to show it if that's it. All right. Closing it. What are we? Free picks? No, not quite there yet. No,

I'm still moving, yeah. Eagles are at 22, and with Lee Hunter off the board, we're at 18. Jets are up. This could be a Danangelo. Five spots to go. This is a team,

I think, could take. I actually gave them ponds last night. Right, the Aaron Glenn of it all. I see, Aaron Glenn. Actually, honestly,

might see himself in Pons. Yeah. They could be, I was going to say, they could be a McCoy team too. They typically have been keeping it in the fairway from an injury standpoint they did last year.

So I think that Pons might be more that guy. But I would look for a third year player, probably from a power five. That's what I would look at here for the Jets. That was their MO a year ago. That was, they stuck to that last night. Omar Cooper was a fourth year junior,

but no. Yeah. Still an underclassman. So I would look. McCoy, Pons, Csay, Muhammad, they all fit. Although I don't think Csays would be their type.

So I would look at those the other three corners. I would look at C.J. Allen. I think that makes sense. Anthony Hill Jr. makes sense. Connor Lou makes some sense. That's my short list for the Jets here at 50. Okay.

So five spots. McNeil Warren McCoy Dennis Sutton Akis Yeah this is good Maybe Oscar Delp Oscar Delp

Max Claire exciting list Yeah Yeah Okay Good Yeah I think this round

has turned out better than maybe we expect it Yeah I mean just the fact that McNeil Warren is still on the board I think surprises most people Definitely surprises me Yeah

And I think if If the egos are committed to taking like an offensive lineman, I think they should move down. Yes, for sure. I don't like the offensive line value for them here. For guys that are, you know,

they're kind of player. There we go. Pons gone. Nice, good call. And you know that in the mock today? Very impressive. That's a lot of fun. I'm glad that you like protected your heart there a little bit.

You didn't want to get your hopes of you. You're like, yeah, I can't. Too many teams. Yeah. Yeah, that could be a Pond's team. All right. So Pons off the board. So Tarell and Pons.

All right, so Vikings here. Again, I would look for EMW here. To me, so Kevin O'Connell and this coaching staff, they're running the show. And so I think this is like straight needs. They could double dip at detackle. They took banks last night. That would be a little surprising, but they could.

I'd look receiver. Mm-hmm. They could take Bell. I could take Bell. I would look secondary, but especially, he would be a really good fit for them. EMW would be a really good fit. I think that's my, that's who I predict.

That's who I, that's my prediction. How do people feel about taking Germain McCoy? Player with top 20 upside. I am curious how fans are you're embracing, you're embracing the potential long-term downside of a degenerative knee. It's funny that we're sitting here because if you had told us going into this draft

that the Eagles were going to make two picks and they weren't going to address a line of scrimmage, Yeah. We would have been surprised by that. Yeah. But I think it's a very realistic outcome right now. It is, I mean, it's not funny for the kid, but it's funny. Like, as the buzz was building that Jeremiah McCoy was going to fall,

and everyone compared it to Will Johnson for last year, the Cardinals took early in the second round. And it was like, oh, yeah, but he's not going to, he won't fall that far. Like, it'll be a little bit of fall. He's falling further. Yeah, because Johnson went early second round. We're getting, yeah, we're getting to the back end of it. I think that could. I could see how I do that.

I mean, that would be hard to argue with and that would also be the consensus board pick. Yeah, I could definitely see how he's saying stuck out on the board. As long as their medical team gave the good night, right, right, right. Which they've been willing to take those risks

in the past. Yeah. Why don't we make this a Rothman situation since we're talking about injuries and bring in the bounce back presented by our friends at Rothman? Tell us about the player, Chibon McCoy,

and what the upside would be in him if he's healthy. Yeah, big body corner with really good ball skills. The finishing ability was what really stood out from the 2024 film. Now, I want to say he had four picks that that year and three of them were like goal line fades. Like he was just, you know, he was just beat the guy up at the line of scrimmage, play in a phone booth, go up and attack the football.

So it's not, you know, those aren't like necessarily what I would say is the most translatable plays. But at the end of the day, I did see a starting corner in the NFL. I didn't see like a high level player. Like, you know, in this class, I would have been fine with him in the top 20. if he was healthy. But I did see a starting corner. I compared him.

You know, you go into like the, the Dron Blan was my final comp. But, you know, you get into like those kinds of players where bigger body, went at the line of scrimmage and attack the ball in the air and finish.

That's really the skill set here for Jermad McCoy. The question is going, and to me, a rightful question that teams had for him throughout the course of the process. He tore his ACL

immediately after the 2024 season. It was like, They lost in the playoffs on the road to Ohio State in early January, and the following week or, you know, 10, 10, 14 days later, he's working out at home tears the ACL. So he's, all right, so that's January. You get to training camp. He's on the field practicing a training camp, starting to do a little bit.

From what I understand was cleared to go midway through the season to play. Tennessee was kind of having an up and down season. So didn't play, which, okay, like that's, you know, decision that a lot of guys make, was invited to the senior bowl from what I understand and said no. Was that the combine? Had the ability to work out? Was good. Told everybody he's going to work out.

Didn't work out. And then we said, we're going to wait for the pro day. Now, blew the doors off the pro day workout from a testing standpoint. I heard mixed results on the position workout. But like from a testing standpoint was really good. But I think the question will be asked like, hey, like, you know, how come you didn't go?

And for a team, and we talked about this, like that prioritizes like the whole like dog mentality of it all. Yeah. I think that will be a big question. question. It's a fair. And to point to the Eagles priorities is a fair, it's a fair thing to bring up. No, I think that would be that would be a hang up potentially, you know, depending on how he answers it, would be a hang up. And yet they have, they have taken players, especially in the second round, to have that, that upside paired with the potential downside of an injury. Yeah. I would not personally compare this to sit. This is a different thing to Sidney Jones.

So the second round corner injury questions, I would say this is very different. I actually think there is something to be said for any player that misses a lot of time in their rookie year due to injury where you are separated from the team. Like that is that is hard to overcome. That would not be the case here with McCoy. The Eagles get a break here at 51. It's not McNeil Warren. It's not McNeil Warren. It's a linebacker. So that's good because I don't think the Eagles were going to take a linebacker. Jake Golda from Cincinnati. Well, also that's a good fit for the Brian Flores scheme. Versatile play. began his career as a pass rusher at central Arkansas,

was productive, transferred up, ended up going to Cincinnati, and he played all over the field in that defense, was like playing over the slot and playing down the line. Not as much off ball, and that's why I have a lower grade on him just because I, at that position,

like the mental part of it, like seeing things from that level is very, very important and he just wasn't asked to do that all that often. But very physically gifted player, and I think it's a good scheme fit. All right, let's close the book on the raw.

Hoffman, bounce back. As you got your Jamad McCoy. Breakdown? Packers up now. Packers up. Three picks to go. Yeah. Could you imagine McNeil Warren? I can.

I think it would be really fun. I think it would be a fun... But how, and how disappointed will Eagles fans be if he's on the board and they don't take him? Depends on who they take. I mean, if it's denied Dennis Sutton, I think... I think most Eagles fans be okay with that. I think that I speak for most...

Seagos fans with the, with the excitement about the nine and a sudden? I think maybe it's an echo chamber. Well, I, I have heard, I have heard, you know, people, there were some people who wanted McNeil Warren in round one, which yeah, I think it's too, I thought was too spicy and not what they would prioritize there, but I don't know. It's an athletic secondary. You got one? Yeah, I got the, I nailed the Packers picking my seven round mock.

Brandon Cise, the corner from South Carolina. Nice. I'm getting that late around pit, later on pitch. He's so excited. I love that. We're very close. On the clock, two away now. No.

Brandon Cisei. We talked about this when the Colts were up originally and then they traded out. Colts, I think you have to look at pass rusher here. And I think that denied Dennis Sutton potentially. Kieran Crawford, I think, potentially. J. Sean Barham potentially. Ramello Height. But if you want denied Dennis Sutton, this would be a team that you would watch out for.

height that does feel like a little bit of a of a fit there that would be able to watch and then in terms of McNeil Warren you know they've got the Kenny Moore trade request just in terms of moving pieces

in the secondary they made the move for sauce gardener that's why they didn't have a first round pick Wanié Thomas and Cam Bynum their rejected starting safeties possible and Ballard is not bashful about taking small school players

so that's, yeah, that would, he could make sense for them. He can make sense. I think it's probably most likely a front seven, and I had been giving them linebacker early in the offseason, but I kind of, I think this might be an edge rusher, was my intel coming in. Okay. That could intel.

I mean, the guys been all over the whole thing. Here we go. Man. You like a Brandon Cesey? Who's going to the green baby? Yeah, he, uh, man coverage corner he honestly the reason why i liked him so much to uh to green bay he reminded me a lot of eric stokes and uh you know stokes was the first round pick of the packers um i think

he's he's he fits a lot of what green bay's front office like typically goes for uh and i thought the value was really right there uh so i put him there i think i put him there last night and i put them there in the uh in the mock i did uh last week as well okay just feels like a very favorable eagle situation for Emmanuel McNeill Warren to still be sticking out on the board here I just I mean maybe there's information that we don't know that's causing him to slide but it feels like the type of situation that Hallie Rosebin dreams of advantage yeah I think it's McNeil Warren McCoy DDS ACUS I think it's one of those four I don't I don't

think they would pull the Delp move yeah with those guys on the board right But the only wild card that I'd throw in there is, like, is there another safety? Yeah. They just like more. Jaylon Kilgore was the name. Yeah. They had them in for a pre-draft visit. Could this be a, we trust our evaluation on a player more?

Yeah. But I just think Emmanuel McNeil Warren is going to stick out for them. I mean, we talked about it earlier, like the consensus big board being something that they will take into account. Seems like the chat is tilted EMW as well. Yeah. Yeah. Let's see with the Colts here. The people want EMW.

It's a good nickname. EMW. Would you call it a nickname? I mean, it can be a nickname. Okay. Yeah, I like it as a nickname. You like a BMW? I do, yeah.

Nice cars. I mean, if they advertise, free advertisers. You know, not going to give it to them for free. I like an EMW. I think he was probably my favorite safety I watched. I mean, he's my type of safety, physical traits. My early intel, when McColt was right, is C.J. Allen.

C.J. Allen. That's a good pick for them. All right. Well, you know what that means. Oh. And honestly, that's a great outcome for the Eagles. So it's not a pass rusher. So, yeah, there we go.

This round has gone very well for these. This round has gone well for the Eagles, which you could say, all right, like, if you have the opportunity to deal back and pick up some extra ammo, maybe you do. Yeah, they could move back. They could move back four spots. Yeah. get, you know, a fourth round pick or a fifth round pick and make that work there while. I think that's very possible.

I had heard some buzz about Jacksonville trying to move up, but now they're only two picks away now, so they might not try and, uh, they may not try and move up there. Okay. Well, you know what we're going to do now? The Eagles are basically on the clock. So let's do on the clock presented by Ashley.

Here we go. It wouldn't shock me if it were pregnon. I know you wouldn't like that. It wouldn't shock me for a pregnon. Yeah, I would not like that. looking at some of the other players. You got the two safeties with EMW and Halsey. Yeah.

All these. That's my board. Nussmeyer is lurking. If you're watching on TV, you're going to have to go away for a couple minutes. Stay with us. TV reset. Okay. Like a race to see who can get it first.

Yeah. Very exciting. What do you guys think? I think it's going to be McNeil Warren. I feel like this is just a very favorable outcome. for him to be available for the Eagles. I would have considered him as a player that if they had more ammunition,

they would have traded up for. So for that reason, I think he would be a good fit if they are willing and willing to go safety here instead of a more premium position. I think if a Jonathan Grenard trade is not inevitable,

they could go edging. I think they would just take Accus. I think they would take Accus over Dennis Sutton. Really? That's just a guess. but if Grenard is definitely coming, I am not ruling out the McCoy possibility. I think they could have McCoy over.

Jeremiah McCoy, yeah. Those would be two value plays, and I think this is a spot. Because I don't think that they would have, I don't know that they would have even thought that McNeil Warren was a possibility. But, I mean, I'm sure that they... I'm sure, yeah.

They trust their reward there. There is a chance. Daddy Taco. says if it's Emmanuel McNeil Warren, he's going to run around the block naked. So hopefully we get a video of that too. Do it safely. Do it safely.

Oh, man. The pick is Eli Stowers. Oh. Eli Stowers. Over Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Wow. That's going to close the book on On the Clock presented by Ashley.

Oh, my goodness. Ladies and gentlemen, with their second round pick, the Eagles. are drafting the super athletic Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt. Fran, what do you think? So this is a converted quarterback.

This is very much how he Roseman coded, right? This is a guy that came into college as a four-star quarterback recruit at Texas A&M, spent a couple years there as a backup in a crowded quarterback room, transferred to New Mexico State

where he started making the transition to the tight end position. And when he did that, they used him kind of like in a Taseham Hill role. They're going to give him some carries underneath. and try and work him in. He was playing there with Diego Pavia, the quarterback who eventually transferred to Vanderbilt.

The Stowers followed him to Vanderbilt was extremely productive in 2024, went back to school, said no to the NFL, let me go back in another year of development. This is a guy that's got a lot of athletic upside. He tested through the roof, outstanding physical specimen, but he was a near zero as a blocker.

Like, he is not a good blocker. So this is a, you know, goes a little bit against what how he said earlier in the offseason about learning, you know, some of the changes and evolution at the position he lied he is a he is an athletic mismatched player uh now he needs to get better as a route runner there's some still some development needed there's still some some seasoning required here with this player but uh he is an athletic tight end they're gonna move around the formation developmental player though and he's a little bit older as a fifth or 60 year senior

will be 233 as a rookie yeah six four 239 uh the testing results were insane of 45 and a half inch vertical jump, 135 inch broad jump. Both of those are the best of the tight ends in the sample. He's an unbelievable athlete. Is he a tight end? Is a big question? Yeah. And E.J., the question here, I think, for Eagles fans is, obviously they are rebuilding the group of pass catchers for Jalen Hertz. How much are they using their first and second round picks now just to replace A.J. Brown leaving. Yeah, I think that they needed to add dynamism on offense. You know, I said yesterday I think that their plan A, B, and C was going to be to add blue chip players to this offense.

And I think that Eli Stowers, I was a little bit higher on him than you guys. I didn't expect him to be a second round pick for them here. I'll be honest. But, you know, I thought maybe there was a chance if he lingered that they would see the value and adding him later. But again, you're buying the upside here. You're buying the physical traits informing this guy being one of the tight ends that is a top five, top eight tight end.

And the only argument I'll make is when you look at those top five, top eight tight ends in the NFL, they look like this guy. They look like superheroes. And I think if that is the pathway for him, if that's what you're selling yourself on, I can squint and see it. The fact that he is a zero as a blocker, some teams viewed him as a wide receiver. That is, you know, that contrasts with a lot of what we talked about with the tight end position for this offense. A combo tight end, a two-way tight end, they did not add that in Eli Stower. Yeah, the looks like a superhero thing, the only thing I would push back on is he's at 239 pounds.

That's lighter than everybody here. But he moves exceptionally well at that size. He looks like a receiver. He's a, he is a like, he's a bigger Trey Burton is like what I think you're like hoping for. Right? Like he's a bigger Trey Burton. But if you think about the basketball team analogy. Yeah.

Right? For this receiving core. Now that you have Mackay Lemon, who is sort of your dominate over the middle of the of the field dirty work guy. Eli Stowers is now your ball winner on the outside in theory. In theory, yeah. I know. But Mackay Lemon is flat out, full stop, a better blocker than Sowers.

I'm not even kidding. And he's like 30 pounds left. He's a better blocker than Sowers is. I believe you. Maybe that's why they had to draft him. Yeah. Oh, man. E.J., the idea of

this is how he's sitting there. February and telling us that he's got to reevaluate how he builds the tight end position and then using a second round pick on Eli Stowers. I mean, come on. Yeah, I mean, it's a hard thing to square. I guess the argument would be they added Johnny Munt. There's still time for them to add more, you know, future long-term planning where you have a blocking tight end in the room. And that is what he was alluding to is that they didn't have that option in the room. You know, they didn't have that club in the bag from a roster from a roster building perspective last year. You know, they didn't like when Grant Calcutera was struggling as a blocker, there was no one to turn to.

So I can understand that, but not really what he was saying. I actually think the comments that Nick Siriani had at the owner's meetings are harder to square with this because he talked about you have a tight end that only as good as a past catcher having up on the field in obvious run situations or, you know, at times where you're trying to be unpredictable. It goes, it makes you predictable. It does go against it. It goes against the lemon pick.

Like, like, the idea with guys like lemon is like, how many guys are going to be moving around? Yeah. And you, and Michael. Lemon, in theory, needs to be on the field and 11 personnel. It doesn't have to be, but that's how he's best used. And so that would mean if Eli Stowers is on the field, who's going to block? Yeah, it is like a boy, Sean Mannion better be as good as you guys think he's going to be

because there's a lot of creativity needed for both of these guys. Neither of these guys are like, line them up, go win, you know? It is also, I mean, it is the money ball thing. You know, we've got to recreate him in the aggregate. it. So the Eagles are going to trade AJ Brown for what better be a windfall now because the resources that they are using to replace AJ Brown, not saying any of these guys is a one for one replacement, but what they are doing in terms of trying to replicate his production is using a first round pick on McKinie Lemon, a second round pick on Eli Stowers, trading for

Dantavian Wicks and signing him to a deal. Hollywood Brown. Signing Hollywood Brown. Yeah. Like that's a lot of stuff that is coming at the expense. of being able to address other things on the roster. Yeah. I mean, two past catchers at the top of the draft form now.

It's bold. Yeah. On the other hand, they'll probably draft your boy Casmaric now. Because they got to count balance. They got to get like a dominant blocker. Yeah, they're going to have to get a dirty work day three tight end. I think that they will, I think this pick makes it even more likely that they will double up a titan.

If they had drafted a Justin Jolie or an Oster Delp, I don't know if I would have been as a few or as emphatic on they need to address this position. position further. But if they're trying to usher in a new nucleus on offense, Eli Stowers is the type of player that you have to account for, you know, the liabilities that he will have in the blocking game. Questions in the chat about why he's down. So he's tight end 12 for me. Yeah. He is a one dimensional player. He's a one dimensional tight end and he's still in that one dimension. He's only been playing the position for a couple years. He's not a fully finished product as a route runner yet.

Like that he is not at the most realized version of him is like Evan Ingram, right? Like in my mind, like to me like he's not Travis Kelsey. Like he's not, you think of like these dominant like he's not Kyle Pitts. You know, I, to me he's not that level of player. And he's all like he's still got to get there. Right. And to me it's a, this is a, it's not a bet I would have made personally. It's a bold pick.

Let's go to Superchats to find out what the reaction from you guys is. Neppa says EJ is killing it in Duck, Duck, Chuse. That's correct. He did dress, We're out receiver tight end one, too. Rivera, problem last year was not the skill group. That's a fair point. That is a very fair point. David Collins. It's actually a really good point.

Just joining, how happy is EJ? EMW heartbroken. I feel... You like a stowers, but... Yeah, I feel, I like stowers. I remember bringing it up. I think it was my initial mock. Now, I'm not taking credit for this. I'm just stating a fact.

I understand. It was my initial mowers. that I did with Fran where I had stowers. And I will be honest, once I watched all the prospects, I didn't have stowers anymore. And then some earlier ones, Max Aurelius says, what's more likely the Eagles taking orange on day two now that they already have Lemon or any team trading us anything

or Jacorian Bennett from a Trucicco from Santa Monica. Max Aurelius, who also wants to know if the Eagles trade for Kavon Dibodeau now that he looks like the oddman out in New York. We talked about that earlier. Orange and lemon would be fun. That would be very fun. Not the kind of player they need, unfortunately. No, he'd be the, he's behind Jordan Davis, right?

Ooh, yeah. We have a trade. Okay. Adam Schafter reports. I have to get it, I'm sorry. The Eagles are trading for Jonathan Grenard. Wow. I have to get the compensation.

Wow. Third round pick. Tonight. Which third? A third tonight? 98. And a three next year. Ooh.

The two threes. Two threes for Jonathan Gardner. Tonight and a third round pick next year. And they're extending him. four-year $100 million extension that includes $50 million fully guaranteed. So you got $25 a year. Let's reset here. Okay.

Yeah. You ready, Lindsay? The Eagles are trading for Jonathan Grenard. Sending a third this year, number 98 overall, and a third next year, to the Minnesota Vikings for Grenard, who had 24 and a half sacks in the two seasons prior to this year when he dropped back down to just three sacks and signing him to a four-year. $100 million deal. Fran, what do you think?

Look, he's a good player with a track record of being a good productive player in the league. He is a two-dimensional player and that he can both defend the run and get after the quarterback. He can win with power and speed. Got technique. He's a little bit older.

I think you're giving him a big contract here a little bit on past performance. My guess is by the time you get to the end of this deal, he's going to be on the downward slope. But again, this is a guy with a proven track record. To me, like instantly becomes their most reliable pass rusher. Yeah, I think this is the,

the number one edge rusher that you felt like that room needed. And, you know, because this has been something that's been on our radar for, honestly, a little bit, a little bit over a month, the thing that you kept, that I kept hearing about him is that he is a good fit for a Vic Fangio defense, a playing style, the versatility that he has, make him an ideal fit. You know, that play personality is a big thing for, for this Eagles defense. And I think he fits what they want at that position. He will be 29 this year, to your point, Fran.

now joins Nolan Smith and Jailix Hunt and the top three on the edge. You've got Arnold DeBicati there to mix in. It's interesting to follow how this started with the Jalen Phillips trade, right? You send a third for Jalen Phillips. He leaves, signs that monster deal with the Carolina Panthers.

You're expecting that will lead to a third round pick next year. Yeah. But now you're trading another third in conjunction with whatever that other third is. So you've basically traded two third round picks for half a year of Jalen Phillips. and now Jonathan Grinard.

Right. Yeah, that is the correct framing. Yeah, because that future third will cancel out with the compic. And you're getting some compensation back in terms of A.J. Brown in a few weeks. 98 was also a compic for the record. That's true.

These are all compics. That's the Milton Williams pick. Right, so it's kind of. In terms of, who knows how long. Vic is going to be here, but in terms of a fit for Vic, how does Grenard look? I think because of the versatility and the ability to win in multiple ways, you know,

this is not a designated pass. He's got a rugged play personality. He's gonna be able to hold up on all three downs. And so I do think it's a good scheme fit. Now, again, because he's a little bit older, we talked about it earlier in the show. I don't wanna be disingenuous about it. To me, you were like kind of caught in the middle

where it's like, if you're gonna pay that much, you're gonna get into $100 million range, like you have Max Crosby there that's a little bit above that, and I think that the tier of player is separate there. Or you go a little bit lower and you're getting like pennies on the dollar and you get Tibodeau and maybe like the hour still point

up there. So, you know, but look, like I said, proven track record. This is something that was clearly done. This is something that has been in the works. And that means that they have done a lot of homework on the player and the person. That's all done. Yeah. Yeah, I think the contract was the hang up. Um, 100 over four years for me. I mean, I would have expected it to be a little bit higher for Jonathan Grenard. So I think it's a, it's a decent extension for them, even though as France stated, you are kind of paying for the past performance there. It's, I mean, it's, it's been a tough market for edge rushers. I mean, that's why Jalen Phillips is in Carolina. It's also, obviously the Eagles wanted to resign Jalen Phillips.

So they were prioritizing having another ace guy on the edge. Right. They weren't going to do that in round one. So that's probably the argument against the pennies on the dollar, you know, Kvon-Tibodeau type. Right. And also drafting somebody on day two. And then with Max Crosby, even if he were available,

I don't think the Eagles would have wanted to trade a more premium pick than a compensated or a third round pick that can be canceled out by a compensatory pick, especially with how much volatility they'll have next year, which is something you've talked about, Fran. you're not trading your first or your second round pick in 2027 for that type of player, I feel like. Interesting. Now they still have 68 tonight.

So it's not like they're done. I honestly would expect them to trade out of 68. I would think so. To try and recoup some picks. I would think so because otherwise they're not picking until round five. Yeah. Which, yeah, I think you move out of 68 to recoup some picks. I still like the trade for them.

I do. I feel like I feel like I've been spending this whole offseason talking that they need that top of the depth chart, edge rusher. Yeah. And Jonathan Grenard represents that to me. All right. So the Eagles acquiring Jonathan Grenard from the Minnesota Vikings just minutes after drafting Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt.

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of the NFL draft. We can clean up on some of the picks that have come after. Yeah. But let's stick on the Eagles for a little bit. Yeah. Draft 9 is all about being excited. Eagles fans should be excited.

There's upside with these players. I'm just thinking about this is reductive. And this is not how football works. All of these young players have a chance to get better. But the resources that have been spent now replacing Jalen Phillips with Jonathan Grenard, and replacing A.J. Brown with Michael Lemon and Eli Stowers, like the on-paper way that the roster has gotten better this offseason

is Rieke Wullen and the offensive line getting healthy. Right. Which the latter is very important. And the latter could dictate a lot. And then obviously the coaching staff. And the coaching changes. Once again, it all comes back to. Yes.

So much seems to hinge now on this offensive scheme. and that being a real difference maker. Yep. I mean, John Mannion is the most important person in the building. But isn't it fair to say that in the draft, you're not necessarily trying to boost your chance, your championship window.

You're not trying to open it further this year. I think that this is kind of a natural transition that Hallie Roseman talked about, which is they need to usher in a new nucleus on the offensive side of the ball that they can start to build around as the defensive side gets more expensive. I think that they, I mean, it's not out of think. Mackay Lemon,

and Eli Stowers represent the beginning of that building process. And whether those picks pan out is really going to determine if the Eagles can continue the success. It's something we talked about earlier in the show. You know, having a run like this in the draft, it's rare and it often does come to an end. But they have to flip it to the other side of the ball. And they have to get these picks right, again, to kind of keep this team, you know, as much of a contender as they are right now. Okay. It's a long term.

Yeah. We'll see how works. Do you think there's a chance that they announced Stowers as a receiver? That would be fun? How would you feel about that? AJ Brown replacement. Honestly, you could probably swing me on it more.

But, yeah, they should just announce the Johnny Wilson replacement. Offensive weapon. Quick note on the Jonathan Grenard trade. Yeah. The Vikings announced it as a third round pick. The Eagles announced it as a fourth round pick. My reading between the lines here.

For 2027. Yeah, for 2027. So my reading between the lines here is that it's a conditional. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, maybe there's a SAC incentive there or some, yeah, maybe snaps played. I don't know what it will be.

But that would be my guess there. That's interesting. Yeah. Pressure incentive. A playoff incentive. A good segue. To one of the picks made, maybe. Things that Bo hates.

Yeah, let's talk about the picks that have been made since the Eagles drafted. Eli Stowers. Patriots trading up. Got to get rid of those day three picks for tomorrow. Yeah, it can't be. can't be having him there.

So, no, Gabe Backus. They take Gabe Backus right after the Eagles go. So Gabe Backus, physical pass rusher fits Mike Vrable, like that, the whole mind. That does not shock me whatsoever.

And then the Jaguars make their first pick of the 2026th draft. And they take the 60th year senior tight end, Nate Borkature from Texas A&M. My tight end three or four. Yeah. Something like that. Four.

Yeah, tight end four. Yeah, like to me, he's an every down tight end. He's got the ability to be in every down tight end. For as long as he lasts. And then Logan Jones, the center from Iowa. It goes to the Chicago Bears who lost Drew Dalman this year in surprise retirement. So they get their center of the future here in the second round. All right.

So the Eagles. Then Cleveland traded up actually. Cleveland's here at 58. And this could be McNeil Warren. And it is. It's McNeil Warren. It is? Yes.

Okay. There you go. The Eagles now 10 picks away from what would be their last pick in a long time if they stay there. We'll see if they are able to move down. I got an Eli Stowers note for you from the draft guide if you want it. Please. Only 10 players have pretty, this is France work. So he's going to know this.

Only 10 players have had a better yards per route run than Eli Stowers in college football. Harold fans. and Jr. This is in there over the career or the final season. Career, yes.

Harold Fanon Jr., Dallas Goddard, Adam Troutman, Brock Bowers, Harrison Brian, Caleb Wilson, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely,

Gerald Everett, and Kyle Pitts. Good company. Pretty good company. Yeah. Yeah. Good company. So,

he checks your box. There's a real upside here. Productivity standpoint. I think there, I actually think that he and Lemon the theory of both of them, I think they pair well together. Saving the

like formation giveaway aspect. And there's just, it's a lot to, it's a lot of work. Where they win is in different places. Yeah, I think that's fair. I just, it's a lot of work for Mannion to feature these guys.

And they have to prove that they're worthy of preaching. Hey, you're right. They're worthy of featuring. They have to be the types of players that you want to spend all week figuring out how are we going to get these guys into space. But I think that I like it.

I like the Sowers pick because of the physical traits. It's like if you're going to get a guy in space, he should be explosive and fast and bigger than the people that have to tackle him. Mackay Lemon is more of the intangible stuff. But I think that they are complimentary in that way. You're right. The Howie tight end of it all is very funny.

It's very funny. And I generally, I agree with Howie Roseman, the way that he has always approached it. I would rather chase the guys who are difference makers in the past game than overvaluing blocking because I think it can be taught. No, not always. But, you know, the idea of him coming out of last season and being like, hey, guys, like I got to go to tight end rehab.

Like this is, I got to find blockers. And then he comes back and he's just like he's snorting tight ends who can't block just in front of everybody. I mean, it's Johnny Munsoning. The Johnny Munts signing is covering for everybody. You know? Like the bandaid holding together. Yeah.

Everything. Johnny Mon, behind Sean Marion is now the second most important person in the building. He's holding everything together. Just got a great tester. The yards per run production stuff. There are reasons that he would be high on an analytical model. Yeah. Who knows how they can factor in blocking there?

Important distinction. Eagles reported the trade wrong. So it is a third round pick, future third, that they are sending to the Vikings, not conditional. Got it wanted to clear that up. Oh, they, they, uh, I can't reveal how I found out, but yes, it is a third round pick. Got it. Yeah.

Okay. Two thirds and a big contract. That's, yeah. That's spicy. Yep. Not nothing. Do you think it is reflective of like the running, the, the cost for that type of edge rusher right now?

That's, that's my read on it. It's that it's, do you think that, like, they got priced out of, Jalen Phillips for a reason. It's just hard to find these types of guys. 25 mil. I mean, do you think that they would have made this move? If they really loved Nolan Smith. Oh, that's a fair question. I don't think so.

No. Yeah, if you feel like Nolan Smith is your number one edge rusher, then the Kvon-Tibodeo scenario makes a lot more sense. Like, we can find another, you know, we can hope that Arnold Evickady gives us enough. And all of a sudden, you're trying to build out the bottom of that depth chart. I think the fact that they were aggressive to build out the top of it does tell you where they think Nolan Smith falls on that. I also think it's totally fair to be like, holy smokes, are they stacked on defense?

Yeah? Just personnel-wise. I mean, Bernard Hunt Smith, very good top three. Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, and Morrow Ogimo. Zach Bond, Jehont Campbell. Quinion Mitchell, Cooper, Dijin, and Rick Wullen. And get to safety. and there's some hope there.

It makes me feel like, man, I really wish they just drafted McNeil Warren. That would have made their defense. Yeah, we'd be talking about the best defense in the NFL. You got to go and talk about it. Yeah, I'm going to go do CHGO. Talk a little center. And another tight end goes off the board.

Marlon Klein from Michigan. Man. Very surprising. The second round pick to the Texans. We're probably going to see. Tight end run has started. The Eagles did start the tight end run. With Eli Sowers.

Right. Man. That, I mean, listen, they've been trying to address this for a few years now. It always gives me some pause, though, when the Eagles start a run at a position with a player that is not the consensus tight end to or safety to whoever it may be. I mean, it's very consistent. This is big board wise, Stowers was the number two tight end? It's a good point. We were expecting them to care a little bit more about the blocking.

Yeah, no, you were correct. Stowers was tight end two. Max, Claire, was three. It's different than Maccuba from last year. Yeah. But still, it's. It's such a, it is a specialist type of situation. And I'm the one that's actually more into this than you are.

So I am kind of talking out of both sides of my mouth here. But yeah, it always gives me pause when you start the run at a position. Oh, I mean, I like to start a run. I think that's, you know, it means you've timed it well and you're getting your choice of the group. I mean, it's a crowded tight end class. You know, here's what I would say, though. If they like Eli Stowers, there's no one else like Eli Stowers. You know what?

You know what? It would have been worse to start the run and it's Orkature or Oscar Delp or guys who you could like but there are other guys like that. There's no one else like Eli Stowers. And so if they like him, this is your only chance to get a guy like that.

So that was my, when we did the tight end scouting series, I said, give me Eli Stowers over Max Clare. Because if you're talking to me about a tight end that has like a 15, 20% chance of being serviceable as a block. Totally fair.

I think then you want to push your chips into the receiving threat that a tight end can offer you. And I do think Eli Sowers is that player. I just, you have to be creative with a guy like him. Like the first two picks that the Eagles have made make it almost a foregone conclusion. They cannot run Nick Siriani's offense next year. Oh, yeah. They can't run. And that's not to say that Nick Seriani doesn't have value in the building, but just the philosophy that he has on offense, which is line them up and let your players win their one-on-one matchups.

They have to create advantages for these types of players. But Kyle Lemon and Eli Stowers are not the AJ Brown type where it's like against man coverage. If it's single high, easy. You know, we have the answers to the test. We make you wrong every time. They're going to have to create favorable situations for these guys. Eli Stowers, though, is an archetype that J.

that Jalen Hurts is comfortable with. Throw it up. He's going to go get the ball. Like that's, that will be less of an adjustment. I think. Yeah, but he's not, I mean, are they going to play him outside the numbers? I don't know. Where that really is?

Because, again, I think if you're trying to, like, envision, like, how does the Eagles offense return to that 2024 form? It is the offensive line getting healthier and the run game becoming dominant enough that you are seeing more single high safety looks. And then it is Jalen Hertz taking advantage. He throws one of the best seatballs in the NFL, taking advantage of the space outside the numbers. They don't necessarily have the guys to, like, really, like, double down on that.

it's going to have to be creating leverage for your athletes. You know, you're like, you're Devante Smith, your Don Tavian Wix, and I think McKay-Lemann in certain situations, you're going to have to create space for them in other areas of the field. You're not just throwing it to them down field. I get what you're saying about Stowers, but that's like, I think he's going to be good for like those seam shots that Jalen will take to like Dallas Goddard.

I don't know if they're going to line him up outside the numbers all that much. I think they will, I don't think they will try to get him outside sometime. You think so? I do. I mean, that's where he won a lot in college. some of his best plays are coming down the sideline. Could they, let me see if, have they listed him yet? Have they called him a tight end?

Fair question. Yeah, let me see. Anthony Hill Jr. goes off the board to the Tennessee Titans, the linebacker from Texas. You know what? You know what? I don't see a position on the graphic that they put out with Eli Stauer. Oh, really?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Let me see what they did with Mackay Lemon. Let's see. Brand just bringing the energy. No, you know what they did. They listed him as a tight end. Okay. Yep, they did.

The Eagles listed him as a title as Vanderbilt. It didn't list him as a position. Let's see if I can find my Kyle Lemon just for... Eli Stowers, man. And Jonathan Gernard. They just can't be normal. They can't just take the pick you expect. But honestly, sometimes...

You know what? I actually, I regret... We should have considered this as a possibility more. I think that's on us. In the lead-up, yeah, we were... We had Emmanuel McNeil Warren in our eye, but... Yeah, no, but I know. I think I had Stowers in...

Did you have him? To the kingdom, is it? No, that's no. An hour you know? Did you? Oh, I went over two on that one. I think I had Stowers, yeah, because I said there's a chance that he'd fall and that they would say, you know what? We're taking this guy.

That's a good pick if you had him. Yeah. You did take him? I had him. Nice job, E.J. Thank you. And that was a, I mean, I was terrified for all the games. Good for you.

Max Clare goes off the board. The Rams took him. Okay. Yeah. To me? To me? This tight end run. Give me Eli Stowers over, Max.

X Claire. I don't think that that's a bad take. Yeah. This is like the inverse of like he's got a chance to stick a tackle. Like this is like if he has a chance, a slim chance at being able to be a combo tight end, I'd rather just have the guy I know is going to be dynamic as a pass catcher. Hmm. Okay.

It's interesting. It's fun. It's going to be fun to watch this guy in training camp. I was just thinking that as well. It's going to be a training camp. It's going to be more interesting to watch him in training camp than Lemon almost. Yeah. Yeah, receivers can be tricky in training camp.

And honestly, I mean, JJ Arthago Whiteside and, like, you know, Tyree Jackson, like, these are the guys that are supposed to dominate training camp. Like, they should be awesome in training camp. So, yeah, he should have a, he should have a. And you know what, even beyond that, like, in the spring, when we see these guys in a month. Yeah, it's going to be a goal. Eli Sowers better look awesome. Yeah. Because this is like, he better win now in this situation, you know, in shorts.

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Like rookie camp, OTAs. Even I'm just, now I'm just like, I want to see him tomorrow. I want to see how he's built, you know, because some teams worked him out as a receiver, you know, and if he is not, if he's never going to have a pathway to being a two-way tight end,

which honestly, with Fran Scouting report, he probably won't, I am curious how he looks, you know, if he can at least, because I think that he was probably going to sell that he can eventually be a two-way tight end. He's going to work on it, yeah. Yeah. Not the finish. We're here to develop him, yeah.

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Breaks wise Lindsay I've lost track. We have two more. Well, then let's hit one now. Stay with us. The Eagles pick at 68 is approaching. Oh, it's fast approach. Not very far off at all.

We are only at 62 right now. So what is happening? I better get this break in because Eagles could be on the clock again. Stay tuned. I got a little birdie in the Chargers draft room. And he told me that they were on the clock. And they were getting ready to pick Keldrick Falk.

And then this guy, sort of waddles over. Jim Harbaugh is like, Hey Jim, you gotta take Mesa door. He's ready to go. He's 25 years old. We'll make it happen. And Jim's like,

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phton y eagles podcast a wolf and eJ smith friend duffy will join us in just a moment Eagles six picks away from being back on the board. You think they will definitely try to move down? I mean, definitely, no, but I mean, they're, they are low on picks now. What are they? Four or five picks? Because they moved one. Right.

So, no, they're five picks. Like, they have three picks left. Yeah, I think they have to move out. If they, if they keep this pick 68, they would not pick again until 178. in the fifth round. So that would be over, that would be 110 picks away. And then after that.

They picked up a seventh in the Grenard trade. So they have six picks. Oh, this year? Yeah, this year. This year, Granite. Yeah, 224, I believe. Well, now we're cooking.

And move up. Let's go. That's how you'd Rosen again. 224. Oh, yeah, I like this trade now. That's good. This changes every time. I wanted to make sure we had a pick in the seventh round,

unlike you, trying to just. Race ahead. No, I want that seventh. Okay. Changes the whole. Home. I don't have to put down now. Changes the whole. I do think about this is their, aside from veteran trades, which are certainly possible.

Yeah. You know, I think safety, if they don't draft the safety here is something to keep an eye on. But if they don't, this is their last chance to really, you know, address the roster in a non-dice rolling way.

Yeah, I agree. And that, for that reason, if they do stay, I feel like it's probably for an offensive lineman. I think if they stay, it has to be either offensive line or safety, if there's a safety that they like. Even if it's safety to me. I went through this. Yeah. When I did my final mock draft for all p.hoi.com, I didn't have them addressing the offensive line until the fourth round. Yeah.

And I had them addressing it on day three pretty heavily. Still just didn't feel good about it. Like I slept on it. woke up the next morning after I published that mock draft and said, if they don't address the offensive line until like Jude Bowery in the fourth round, I don't feel great about that for them. Based off of what they, what their needs were at the end of the season and the way that the offensive line looked,

they've got legitimate question marks. And I think this is probably their last chance to really address it, as you said. Yeah. Now, Pregnon is still on the board if they wanted to go interior. And then I still, I'm holding some space for Germant McCoy. There's a little bit of, a little bit of Nicobie Dean. Yeah, there is. Yeah.

But different types of, for the reason this friend was talking about, Nicobi Dean was a dog. Everybody knew that guy, loved ball, lived ball. There is that question now about McCoy in addition to the knee concern. Yeah, I think with Nicoby Dean, the personality is hard to separate from it.

But to your point, the Eagles have been willing to make those value ads on day two and day three when a player slides because of injury. So I wouldn't rule it out, but again, And it just feels like if you're going to go past catchering your first two picks, offensive line is just sticking out like a sore thumb.

I mean, like there's always a scenario, like you said, where you can add a Mackay Beckton a few days after the draft. But even just like long-term planning, you'd think that they'd want to address that spot, especially even, I think in the interior even more so at this point, like you're not going to find a tackle that's replacing Lane Johnson two years at this point. No. It's a long shot.

No, you can replace Fred Johnson. Yeah, exactly. You're probably looking for a Fred Johnson. and replacement. I think you could probably find an interior alignment that has a pathway to playing earlier. So if you like that guy more. Davidson-Igbana son, right name.

The Ohio State Corner goes off the board to the Buffalo Bills at 62, only two picks left in the second round. I can't believe that the Eagles are almost back on the clock. So much has happened. I know. And if they pick there, we're going to be off for a while. We have a lot to talk about. We got a lot to unpack.

I know, that's right. Yeah. I don't know what that means. We got a lot to talk about. I thought you meant personal stuff. You tell me. No, I'm all draft. You got anything to say?

Sixers only down four. That's what I would talk about. How deep in the game are we? We're in the fourth quarter. No. Yeah. Wow, already? A lot's happening.

It's flying by. Lindsay, I sent you a couple of setups. Mm. I have a couple too. Okay. Yeah, maybe buy us a little time on seven of it. Yeah, this is very exciting. Oh, baby.

Chargers on the clock. They took a 37-year-old last night. I wonder if there's someone older they can take. There are, I mean, Emmanuel Pregnan. Yeah. They're old. Geriatric. That's what they call it when someone that old is pregnant.

Annal Pregnon is like, you know, maybe I'll get drafted by the Eagles. I'll turn on the PHA Eagle show. He's got it on for, like, his whole family. And you're just making jokes about his last name. And now he's old. Cereatic Pregnon. see. Yeah, now he turned the show off.

Some confusion in the chat about the Jonathan Grenard compensation. The Eagles tweeted it incorrectly. It is, yes. It is a third this year, number 98 overall, and a third next year. Correct. Not a fourth. With the seventh coming back to the... With the seven coming back. Ho! Ho! Ho! Ho! Maybe that's UR. Bernard. Maybe that's what they'll use. No, U.R.

be good for uh be good for for me in yeah how you know how you know yeah fantastic oh let's check out these uh these set up from from sickos this is awesome uh that's a good one oh phillies too they got fillies on the laptop us on the big old screen and then six is on the lower screen what is that comfy looking piece of furniture on the left is we think that's a couch or we think that's like on the left i think that's a love seat okay type deal couch on the right Now, I don't know where if the person is sitting in another part of the couch or if they're just standing. I like to look at that lamp, too. Yeah, it's a nice room.

Good vibes in that room. Good vibes in that room, I agree. Absolutely. Okay, it's a good one. Yeah. Three screens across the side. Now, what is on the board there? Is that like draft board?

Oh, that's got to be his draft board. Who said that one, Lindsay? Was that me? Oh, nice. Oh, that's awesome. Looks great. I like that. And now I wonder if that's their personal board or if they're following the picks.

and writing. Maybe it's France board. Could be France board. Possible. Oh, interesting. Real psychedelic. Is this person in bed? It does look like he's in bed.

It looks like they're in bed, right? But two TVs in the room. There are going to be people in the chat that say TV too high. You know, guys, it's 20. No, but they're tilted down too. So that's, yeah. I like, I like the bed set up, although I, risky to send us a picture from your bed.

It was a little risky, but I love it. Risque. Risque. I appreciate all you sending these in. That's a, we appreciate you spending your night with us, and I am going to humbly ask you. I like the video. Help us out a little bit as we go through all the picks

and give you an Eagles perspective on all this stuff. The Chargers grafting an offensive lineman. Is it pregnant? It is not. They're not expecting. It's Jake's laughter. Jake Slaughter. Center from Florida.

I was about saying, I don't remember watching. I didn't watch a lot of the centers. That's my, that's hand up on me. Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do. Got to compartmentalize. How many picks away? Or five picks away. 64, Seahawks on the board.

Not to give you too many Sixers updates. Okay. They are leading. 85, 84 with nine minutes left. Ooh. Man, what a moment in Philadelphia sports happening right now. Bernard. These things happening all at once.

What's going on? Should I, should I peep the, the box score? Like, is it a Maxy night? Is it a Maxy night? I have a group chat text that says Maxi, I love you. So I'm sure Maxi just did something. Did something Maxi like, yeah, this is a big multiple screen night.

Big multiple screen night. Appreciate you guys spend it with P.H.O.I. Maxi's got 29. 29. 29 points, yeah. I love that guy, man. I love Young Nucleus that the Sixers have in place here. That's what the Eagles are trying to build on offense.

Edgecombe, five for 16, 0 for six from three. And he's due. Yeah, I'd say he was hot the last game. So he gets, he can, he can have one of those. It's all good. Very exciting. What a night. Man.

It's like Bud Clark just went off the board of the Seahawks. Oh. I'm surprised by that. He wouldn't have struck me as a, as a Mike McDonald type. Yeah. I mean, they just keep adding to that secondary. Yeah. I do think if the egos do,

use a high pick on a safety. Even at this point, I can get behind the argument, like, you have to have one of the best secondaries in the NFL to compete in the playoffs at this point. You know, what the way offenses are, how much motion there is, how much they're trying to put you in disadvantageous positions. You need versatile and physical players all across the secondary.

You can't have weaklings. So I like that. Okay. Four picks away. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Who are we hoping? Who are? Let us know in the chat.

Yeah. Who you're hoping for. Who's still out there that you have your eye on? Deny Dennis Sutton's still out there. I think probably not going to happen given the Gernard Trayor. Yeah, it's just a lot of resources to put into the address your position. But AJ Halsey if you want a safety. Yeah.

Germant McCoy, if you just want value. Malik Mohamed is a good fit for Vic, I think. No, do they just go with another tight end, another one who can block? And you've just completely remade. I don't know. room. You've got the whole draft to go get yourself Cody Hardy or Will Casmaric.

Yeah, I'm not going to get draft Cody Cardi in the third round, but yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, you do that on day three? That would be great for me because he's kind of a specialist. I like Jalen Farmer. I'd be okay with Jalen Farmer here. I like Jalen Farmer a lot.

I like Markell Bell. You could probably get too cute trading back and trying to get perfect value for a player like him. Now, Caleb Tieran still hasn't gone. Caleb Tiernan still has not gone. So that's a, that's a possible one. If they draft Jalen Farmer, I would pencil him in as a starting right guard next year.

I really like him. I like a lot. And I think he is a fit for what they want to be. I feel like he's maybe the player in the draft that you and I agree about the most. Yeah, I mean, there was a lot to like with him. Yeah. He's explosive.

Again, I loved how dramatic it is when he gets his hands on somebody. There's real pop in his hands. And for that reason, like a team that wants to run the ball as much as the Eagles do, sign me up for a player like him. Other guys available along the offensive line. Demetrius Crownover? I don't think that's going to be them. I mean, he's got like a little bit of that, like Cameron Williams-B vibe, you know? Just like a developmental tackle.

I think pregnon's a possibility. Could they go Bowery this? Honor Lou? Could they go Garrett Nussmeyer? Could they go Jalen Kilgore? Jalen Kilgore is an interesting one. Yeah, Broadman for a pre-draft visit.

Ooh. Zach E. Wheatley? Taking Carson Beck. Really? Yeah. So Fran's going to be busy. Fran is going to be busy. Does that, that hurts the case for a Tanner McKee trade?

I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Jackie Wheatley Nah CJ Allen still hasn't gone No I thought he did Did he go?

I think he did no no I thought We thought he was going But instead they took Jake Gold day Okay CJ Allen has not been picked yet Man Eagles could just go back to the Georgia defense well Or a linebacker

What would Jehad Campbell do If they did that like I don't know Yeah A couple players that they've had it on visit who are still available. Okay. See how I can go through.

Jude Bowery. Some of the offensive are Mark Elbelle, Jude Bowery. Isaiah World. Isaiah World and the Memphis guy. Travis Burke. Travis Burke. Yes. Deni Dennis Sutton still out there.

Jalen Kilgore. Yeah. Still out there. Caleb Douglas. I don't know if he's really a third round guy. Yeah. But yep, those are the guys who stand out as players they've had it on visits. Jayley Kilgoy.

See J.J. Allen was drafted. He was the pick right before Stowers. Yeah. Jail and Kilgore. I could see that. Yeah, I don't. He's not my favorite, but I don't necessarily trust myself.

I mean, friend is just okay on him, but... Really leading into like the Nikki Manwari comparisons. If you're drafting a guy like Jalen Kilgore. Carson Beck, what do you think about that? I don't love Carson Beck. He's not my guy at the quarterback position. So, I don't know. If you're the Cardinals and that's what you're hitching your wagon to, I don't love it.

Maybe it's a type of move where a year from now, you're drafting over him and you feel fine about it because it's only a third round pick you're using. But if I were them, I would have probably been aggressive trying to get Tanner McKee. Yeah. Hard to argue. Carson Beck, I mean, what are we doing? I like Carson Beck as a backup. I think, like, I don't, this is straw man, but there were like some faint Jalen Hertz comps. Yeah.

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Live from the Xfinity studio, well, Finney, Jay Smith, France talking to the other all-city people. Don't worry about it. He'll be back. Never you bother. Celtics have taken the lead. Yeah. Might be pulling away. That's too bad. That's all right. It's our fault. Once we've started paying.

attention to it. Yeah, we gave them too much juice them a little bit, yeah. But Eagles are closing in. One pick away. Carson Beck off the board. Has the Broncos pick been made yet at 66? We're three picks away, but it's possible we've missed the Broncos thing. Yeah, I think they're getting close. Well, we're definitely getting close. 66 is on the board. Eagles are at 68. I think they would love to move down. Let's see. Yeah, I think the Browns have two picks coming up in this little cluster. It's going to be that anti-climactic, like trade right as they get on the clock. I mean, I would love for them to make like three trade downs this round so that we can continue

having them on the clock talking about it and then having them move down. Good for content. Yeah. Absolutely. Good for content. Yeah, Browns, you can move down to 74. That's a team that'll probably want to be aggressive for somebody, you'd think. I feel like I made trades with the Packers and my mock draft simulators because

they had a good amount of fourth round picks. Okay, okay. For whatever that's worth, the novice mock draft simulation. Looks to me like, yeah, 84 and 120 might get it done with maybe that seventh flipping back to them. Yeah, yeah. I think that's what I did. I think that might have been exactly what I did.

Okay. Vikings have 97 and 98. Could they want to move up from one of those spots? Eagles could, Eagles probably would want 97. Your boy, Tyler on Yeddem. The defensive tackle goes to the Denver Broncos. I really liked them. Two picks away.

Good news for the Eagles, but I really liked him. All right. So what is the pick that would make people the angriest? Nussmeier. Nussmeier, probably the one that makes them the angriest. Yeah, I mean, looking through the best available, I mean, Ted Hurst would probably upset Eagles fans. That would be funny, man.

They just go three straight. I like Ted Hurst. Chris Bell's still out there. Bill. That would probably upset Eagles fans. I would like it. No, the Eagles fans love Chris Bell. Yeah, but now that they've drafted two past. And they finally got the AJ replacement. Yeah. All right. Third times a charm. We finally got it.

Dana Jeremiah mentioning that Eli Stowers does some of the AJ Brown stuff on NFL Network, by the way. I saw that on my feed. I think that's a plant. I mean, DJ's really plugged in. So I think that is no worthy. But, yeah, I don't know about, I don't know if I'd make that leap. What you got? I got nothing. I'm excited.

We got A.J. Halsey, Jermad McCoy, Malik Mohamed. Jalen Farmer, Emmanuel Pregnan, Kiddlib Tehrin, and Markhal Bell

or something crazy. Something crazy, man. Cocaine Howie. If they stick and pick, who are they picking? I think it's Jalen Kilgore if they stick and pick. I think if they stick and pick,

it's, uh, Kilgore is a good, is a good guess. I think if I, I think if I had to guess someone else, I would say Markell Bell. I would say if they need to address offensive line, but I just, I don't know if anybody would be high enough on their board for them to take them here.

All right. Sounds like the Raiders have made a pick, which would put the Eagles on the clock. On the clock presented by? The fanatics app? No. Ashley. You looked at me like on the clock presented by Ashley. That's all right.

That's all right. We've trained you well. You've worked on it. You've done a good job here. You've picked up on the pause. Okay. Who's it going to be? I think it's straight out.

I think it's, I think number one pick is trade out. Keerun Crawford is the player who went off the board to the Raiders, the Auburn Edge. I think, I think if they're sticking pick, I remain holding some space for Jamad McCoy. Yeah.

as just we could not pass up this opportunity sticking out like a store thumb a store thumb how he did those thumbs they sell in stores for the record oh her Zach Berman yeah the eagles are taking Mark Hell Bell mark hell overall pick in the owl you know draft who nailed it Markle Bell is an eagle. The massive tackle from the U. Mark Hill Bell, he goes six, nine and a quarter, 346 pounds with 36th and 5 eighth inch arms. We're at a 536, no big deal.

This is a monster, a guy for the Eagles to develop who relatively inexperienced, but not a Jordan Milata inexperience. Yeah. Right? Or even a Maxi Hanachor inexperience. Looks good. I like this pick.

Yeah, I like it as well. He was somebody that we all felt was a very eaglesy type player. He is unusual because of the size. Not as much power at that size as you would expect, but a developmental tackle, somebody that you don't expect to play in year one, But again, gives you another pathway toward at least having a Fred Johnson replacement overtime or the high range outcome would be your right tackle of the future.

But I like the thing about drafting a tackle at this point in the draft that I like is it doesn't preclude you from going back next year and finding your Lane Johnson success or your right tackle of the future. But again, it gives you another bite at the apple. And an interesting one because he is unusual, as Jeff Stalman would put it. He's scattered report from the diehard draft guide. according to our man, Fran Duffy. One year starter at left tackle for the hurricanes

is a big brawling, blind side protector who wins with sheer mass and length. He won't wow you with his pure explosiveness, but he's got light feet and better change of direction than most his size. At the end of the day, he's just tough to get around in past protection, and he knows it. He plays to his strengths well in that phase.

In the run game, he can struggle winning the leverage battle at times and can certainly improve with his hands. Overall, I see a functional NFL player with eventual starting upside after further development. He's a big, reliable pass protector. And while not, the rangiest athlete is very capable of turning edge defenders out

and winning his gap more often than not. I see a solid swing back up by year two with the ability to be more by the end of his rookie deal. Yeah, sounds like an ideal Fred Johnson's successor in the short term. And again, a player that could develop into a starter. I should note that he has only played left tackle in his career, or he's basically only played left tackle in his career.

And another fun note from France draft guide would be the tallest offensive tackle drafted in the last decade. Oh, man. Lindsay, we got to get social to clip the first pick from the All You Know draft. Oh. Because who knows ball? I mean, what? We also have a great clip of you saying,

who is the most Eagles pick in this draft. That's right. On count. That's right. We already have that clip, right? We already have that clip, right? Yeah. Oh.

So I was rolling my eyes. Like, you could be, you know, you could be about the team here. That's true. No, you're right. You're right. Obviously, we should do both. Yeah. But we coined this guy.

coined it. The most Eagles player in the draft. I think we said we were talking about tackle. Okay. Most things tackle in the draft. Unusual. We got to find that. That's very good.

One thing I really like about the Markell Bell pick is like, oh, it's a new system. You can have a tackle with, you know, more movement. skills. That might be the tiebreaker. And it's like, we could tell just from the pre-draft visit guys they brought in. It's like no, they still want massive mammoth offensive tackles. And they got one in Markell Bell. And I think it's going to be fun

to watch him. He's going to be another one that's really fun to watch in camp. Yeah. They're getting some guys that just are going to pop out the second you walk down to the field. Markle Bell, baby. Said it on the show last night that since what's his

face is the one who broke the pick, He used to talk about Zach the, you know, calling the Morgan Moses Eugene Monroe Virginia tackles. Eugene Monroe goes top 10.

Morgan Moses goes later and he thought that Morgan Moses was going to have a longer career. I like Francis Maui Noah. I think it's possible. I think it's possible that we have a Markle Bell Francis Maui Noah situation

with Eugene Monroe. Okay. Throw it out there. I like Maui Noah. I think maybe Markle Bell will have more career starts at tackle than Francis Maui Noah. I think that one, I can get behind that take.

What a call. It's a fun pick. Now, another ripple effect we should discuss. We thought they were going to trade out of this pick. Yeah. Now, as a result of not trading out of this pick, it's going to be hard for them to recoup assets on day three. Like, you're probably trading out of what, the fifth round?

So right now, they have three picks remaining, number 178, 197, and 244. which brings me to a question that I have for you. Okay. Do you make that draft pick? You decide not to trade out, knowing that you have a player that's going to get you some draft compensation

between now and let's say, let's say the start of day three. Is there an Eagles trade that we are expecting to help them flush out their day-free company? You mean a player? Yeah, I think that, you know, Keeley Ringo is probably the one that we'd point to. I don't think it's possible.

Are you planning on getting a fifth round pick for Kili Ringo that can, to help you, again, have some... Because how he always talks about, he doesn't like sitting around a waiting during the draft. He doesn't like a long stretch going without a pick.

And the Eagles currently have a 110 pick gap between the pick they just made and the pick they have to. He's going to have to go for a walk. A long walk. He's going to be going for walks around the field with Mackay Lemon. You're right.

But the problem is, I don't think there's anybody they could trade that would give them a fourth round pick. Yeah, I don't think they can get a four. Could you get... could you do like stout could you sorry could you do a wringo and a six to move up and then try to move back from there yeah i'm sure these are the conversations are really really antsy it's more likely that they would do what

they did with wringo and that is knowing that you're going to be getting a j brown picks trade next year's fourth or fourth this year or something like that next year's third yeah i think that yeah but that's one of two uh i just i think if they were going to do that i think that's more likely Yeah, I would have a hard time giving up future picks to get back into this year's draft, given the strength of the class. But again, a 110 pick gap, it's literally 110 picks. I don't, I think Halle Rosen is going to get antsy. Three, two. Mark Elbelle, by the way, will only be 22 as a return.

He's 21 now. It turns 22 in July. Part of the reason that I also believe in the upside is the tools in his body. The runway here. Oh yeah, here he is the Duffman. Who called it? Woo! I think that's the first overall pick.

But do you remember when Bo said, who's the most Eagles tackling? We all said it. Count of three, one, two, three, Mark Hill. We all did. Yeah, that's a great clip. So you got to listen to the show. Oh, we got it. Flash that bad boy up.

three, two, one. Mark Hill Bell. That's really funny. That's very funny. We've got to get that out there. That's a YouTube clip. That is, yeah,

that's phenomenal. Fantastic. Oh, man. What a flurry of action here. Yeah, you've been all over the place. A lot going on. Well,

let's get your thoughts. I'm going to have to get it because Eli Stauer is going to have a video conference soon. Okay. So, I'm going to concede the Florida France soon. Okay. Do you have another one you got to hop out for soon?

I'm okay right now. Okay. I'm okay. Chicago just took Sam Rouse. But I can wait a little bit. Yeah. Is he going? They said soon.

Okay. Why don't you wait until it's actually going and then pop out that? Let's get your thoughts, Fran. Yeah, I mean, look, there's a reason why we all thought that he was a very Eagles type of pick. I'm going to be honest, watching Markell Bell going. So I had not studied him before the Senior Bowl. He was a late ad to the Senior Bowl. So I knew of him.

It was a first year starter, so I didn't watch him over the summer. I knew it was a really big tackle. He's playing on the left side opposite Francis Maui Noah. They go to the national championship game. He's a late addition to the Senior Bowl. My first exposure to him was the first day of senior bowl practice, very first rep of pass rush one-on-ones, and it won't take you long to find.

If you search Markell Bell Senior Bowl, he gets embarrassed on the first play of the one-on-one drill. Derek Moore, who the Lions traded up for, in the second round. He goes straight like speed to power, puts his foot in the ground, and just goes right through Bell's chest, caught him off guard and put him on the ground.

And I'm like, oh, that's an ugly rep. And you've seen big tackles like that before, right? Where it's like, oh, like, you know, doesn't have great balance and body control. Like maybe he's stressed getting to the corner.

From that point on, he was awesome. The rest of the week, okay? And that was, by the way, like days after the national championship game, like 10 days after the national title game. All these other guys had weeks in terms of prep time. Markell Bell began two years of junior college, goes to Miami.

So back up in 2024, starts last year, goes to the Senior Bowl, was good down there. I watch him on film after. And I'm expecting, like, because of his size, a little bit of a sloppy athlete, liability and pass protection. This guy's got really good body control. He's really well coordinated. The length he maximizes to the endth degree. He's able to get on top of guys and drive him off the ball in the run game.

He just hasn't played a lot of ball. at the end of the day. Like that's why he goes in the third round, but this is a player that you can get excited about. You can definitely dream on a player like Markell Bell. You talked about my, my Eagles, my player comp for him.

Yeah, we haven't brought that up yet. It's King Dunlap. King Dunlap. King Dunlap. King Dunlap. King Dunlap. heavier though.

Yeah, but I mean, thicker. These guys now are just like, just specimens. They're just in terms of like how guys are built. But he is, he's a phenomenal upside swing. And I think honestly,

like third row, When I was watching, when I studied him, I was like, yeah, like third round, fourth round. That's where this guy's going to go. I like Mark Lowe. I like it too. I really like the mental toughness required to have that ugly rep at the beginning of Senior Bowl Week and to bounce back. I think that is a great story.

Now, how do you feel, Fran, about the Eagles now staring at 110 picks without a pick? 110. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because they didn't move back. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, kind of knew this was a pop.

possibility. We thought it was more likely that they would trade out. But if that's what it took to get Markell Bell. Oh, do you need to leave? Yeah, I was just about to tell you. You got to go. Yeah. All right. They're going to do Nick and Howey soon. Ah, right. Go out of here. E.J. is going to bounce. I mean, that's what you want to do or do you want to stay for the show? Yeah. Go for it. All right. See you guys. All right. See you, Jay.

I just see you. Do you think the absence of Jeff Stelland makes you feel differently? about this? No. I think I'm in the same boat. Yeah, you'd feel better about it. Sure. But at the end of the day, you put faith in your player development team,

that group that's led by Connor Barwin, it's not just Barwin, it's a handful of people working with him alongside him. Get this kid into the building, let him develop. Now, can he play right tackle? Is he a left tackle only?

If Lane Johnson retires next year, does my lot of move over to the right? side you know I think that's that's something that obviously that they probably had these conversations already and trying to see what the long-term plan would be for a guy like Markle Bell. Hmm. In the subsequent picks, Farris taking Sam Rausch who said. Yep, Niners taking Ramello height. Niners took height. Okay. Any interest in those picks? Um, I mean, height makes sense. He's definitely is, he's a 49ers light pick in terms of the profile. Which way am I coming to you? Okay. Okay. Okay. Um, okay. Um,

Um, the Carson Beck pick, go in Arizona, for that one. Yeah. Yeah. Um, how do they feel about that?

I actually didn't get a chance because I, oh. So I, I was able to break that pick. Uh, I got, I got wind to that one ahead of time. Uh,

I was trying to jump on right away, but those guys were, and then, well, you know, you know what happened? So I finished with, uh,

where was I talked with right? Was the Chicago I jumped on with? Yeah, I think it was Logan Jones. So I did Chicago hit with Logan Jones. And then I was like, oh, there's a bunch of these teams coming up. I'll just hang out. Rather than like pop in, pop out, pop out, pop out, let me hang out.

Pizza? Got some more, yeah. Got a couple slices of pizza. And then, uh, must be nice. Well, sorry. Um, you asked. Um, but, uh, but yeah, it was, it was a flurry of action there. And then I was on with Denver talking through some Tyler on Yetam.

Yeah. When, uh, I hear the screaming. And I was like, oh, my gosh, what happened? And I saw Markle, the text of Markle Bell go across the screen. good stuff good pick I like the mark out of

whatever happens after this it's gonna be dice rolls yeah it's fair to say like you can you can evaluate

the draft class now right lemon stowers bell how do you feel I would grade so if I'm going

like off purely off process and like likelihood of outcomes and all that stuff I would grade I would grade lemon and A

I just I just yeah I start with the Stowers one. Are we including the trade for Gernard in there? I think we should because it is a pick from this year. Right.

I'd give that like a B. Hmm. Just because I mean, it's, you know, a lot of money for an aging player. And then, I mean, Markell Bell swing. I'd put that like B plus A. Okay. Stowers like a D. Yeah, I'm not as high on that as others.

Yeah. But yeah, it's kind of where I'm at. I think that's like a solid B, B minus. I think if you get an A in the first round, you got to wait it up a little bit. Like a D in the second round. Yeah, that's true. Okay.

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Be cool. Go to Rita's. Back in the PHAI Eagles podcast, what a night. Eli Stowers, Mark Elbelle, and Jonathan Grenard. And maybe we haven't spent enough time on Grenard, given the fact that he's the one who's likely to make the biggest impact. Sure. This season. You want to talk about the value first or the player?

I mean, we've talked about it a little bit, but we should spend some more time. Let's talk about the value a little bit. Okay. process-wise rebounding from not being able to sign Jalen Phillips because he signs this monster deal

then trading two-thirds for Gernard and giving him what's a little bit less money and only two years of guarantees which is a factor how do you feel about the way they went about that?

I mean it comes to because what was the final APY on Phillips 30? It was 30 so you're talking $10 million dollars less, well, five million per year. Five per year.

Yeah, yeah, sorry. I mean, you're still, like, while he's been a productive player, you know, Adafay O'Owe just got 25 mil, so you're right in line there with what Owe got on the free agent market. But like Nick Benito, who was like a defensive player of the year candidate, like

just south of that, right? Like, and so that's, that's the territory that we're in right now. A lot of money for a player. Again, he's a good player. Yeah. But that's kind of the going rate. And that's kind of what I was saying where, all right, well, if Crosby is at, where's Crosby?

Crosby is, I mean, I guess significantly more. He's at 35 and a half. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But still, to me, I look at it and I say like, all right, you're writing that in that in between of not quite that upper echelon, like upper crust of pass rusher. He's a really good player, really good player. But giving up that with the two picks with that money.

It's a big investment. And it's interesting considering all the guys that they're going to have to pay on defense. Yeah. Howie has talked about juggling that in the past of importing guys versus paying guys. What are those dynamics like in the locker room? It's different when it is a fully guy from the outside.

And it sounds like it's only, I mean, it's two years of guarantee. If it's two-year guarantee, because that would mean that when Jalen Carter's extension were to kick in, it wouldn't be until even after that would end. But now is when he goes up to decide on Nolan Smith's fifth year option. Yes. I would imagine they'll pick that up. I would think so.

And then next year, you're talking about extending Jericho's Hunt. Right. It's a lot of mouths to feed. Yeah. They also have Cooper. The defensive line is stacked. Yeah. It's a good group.

It's a good defense. Yeah. Look, it's a good player. You know, there is good as anybody in terms of balancing the checkbook and just making sure that they can get it all done. but and we know how they how they feel big picture about making sure that the trenches are right. So yeah, I think at the end of the day, like that's why I'm not like over the moon on it, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's a bad move by any stretch. Yeah.

Make sure you're hitting the like button in the chat, please. A couple more picks to get your thoughts on. Yeah. The commanders taking Antonio Williams, the wide receiver from Clemson, Washington's Taco Davis, the long, fast corner goes to Cincinnati. And then Oscar Delp finally goes to the New Orleans Saints. Yeah, this is honestly the whole thing about the Eagles not having a pick for 100 plus now. I know.

There's going to be a lot of good players coming off the board. And so like, all right, Delp goes. Well, it's like when we talk about every throughout the process, this is not a good draft. Yeah. This is where it's kind of fun. Yeah. This is where there's a plateau and there's a bunch of guys. You know, it's too bad.

Yeah. Antonio Williams fitting in Washington. You know, he's like a, he's not flashy. he's not a 4-3 guy he's not the biggest and strongest he's kind of like a lowercase McKay Lemon you know I think it's just like

he's just a solid all-around player he's not dynamic but good catcher of the football pretty good route runner can do a little bit of everything but just not going to blow you away as a physical specimen okay yeah

fine a fine addition to that receiving room and then Malachi Fields goes off the board to the Giants yeah Fields. I've been hearing about this kid since his freshman year at Virginia. Really tall, really big.

You know, things like Johnny Wilson type of size and physical profile. At Virginia, he was a high school quarterback, so made the move to wide receiver when he got to college and played right away and produced right away. All his teammates saw like this guy is going to be an NFL player in a few years.

He ends up transferred to Notre Dame this past year where he was all outside the numbers, vertical threat, which he's not really that. Like he's not really that. Like he's not really like deep speed down the field. You know, they use him that way at Notre Dame. But he is more your big body. Let him win like underneath shallow crosses, quick slants.

Let him throw him back shoulders. He's not like a vertical threat. But I like him as a blocker. I think that he would be like a Nick Siriani type. You know, if you like Johnny Wilson in the fifth round, you're going to like Malachi Fields in the third. So, you know, I think he's an upscale version of that player. Okay

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The Fanatics sports app Nice good job And Ashley as well Oh here's a good trip that's a nice one that's a good one right choice on the big monitor there

yeah absolutely and oh and the NFL network there okay I like that good stuff were you a like pre-working in the business and we'll say in your year off

were you ESPN or NFL network for the draft NFL network I mean growing up ESPN well you have to be yeah I think one far surpassed the other eventually I will say

like it was nice to like dive into the ESPN broadcast because I began, you know, it was more NFL network. I miss the jingle. I like the ESPN jingle. The nostalgia of it. Yeah. Yeah, but they're not.

No. Night one, you could do it. Right. But once it gets after that, they're not covering the draft anymore. Right. You know, they're doing nonsense. Yeah. So the reason that E.J. jaded out is because the Eagles are done with picks.

Howie and Nick are going to be talking to the media pretty soon. Which I think means, I think we should probably end the show. and if you like what do you think Lindsay I think I think that's probably the move because you're going to have to hop off anyway

I'm going to be jumping off yeah pretty soon yep this way we can all sit and watch Nick and Howie yep stay tuned though we're going to have more content

coming your way when we wrap here Fray and I will do another video like we did last night talking about the players to potentially watch on day three and we'll have to start

the fifth round but some guys who could potentially make sense. We'll recap everything we saw tonight. Big night for the Eagles. Huge a biggest night of the off season. Yeah, this is it. Big one.

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Deonti, good to see in the chat. Oh. Fantastic. Just got off the practice field, I believe. That's right. All right. That'll do it. For night two of the P.H.O.I. Eagles draft show, we are live tomorrow.

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watch you work this week. I'll stop it. Okay. We're going to be live tomorrow at noon the whole time. Stay with us. By the way, did you know you are gone when we learned this? The Grinardt trade. Eagles got a seventh back this year.

For this year? For this year. Oh man, that ruined DJ's night. Yay! So we've got three picks on the board. Beautiful. Oh, man. I wish I could have been there for you, Jay, to see that. I know.

Very exciting stuff. There's plenty of picks left here. So, you know, maybe Frayne will like tweet about it or something if there's something that you really like. Yeah. You know, good to see. Thanks to everybody for being with us throughout the show so far. We're going to close it.

We'll talk to you tomorrow at noon for all of us here. Also, you can check out the P.H.O.I. Sixers show right now. Right now. Yeah. Check out that post-game show if you want. We will talk to you tomorrow at noon. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, E.

Thank you, everybody in the chat. And as always, thank you, Fran. And we love you.