PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles NFL Draft Superlatives: Favorite pick, best/worst value, the scouting staff’s favorite & more

Episode Date: April 29, 2025

The Eagles drafted 10 players. Which player had the best value: Jihaad Campbell? Cameron Williams? Who was the biggest reach? We’re ready to give superlatives for this class. ALLCITY NFL Draft expert Fran Duffy and Zach Berman will break down Howie Roseman’s draft haul Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Good afternoon and welcome to a Tuesday edition of the PHLY Eagle Show. I'm Zach Berman. That's Fran Duffy, the All-City NFL draft expert. We're brought to you by True Mark Financial Credit Union. And even though we are still, well, we're still in the aftermath, the afterglow of the draft, it's still ripe to discuss. And Fran, who literally was probably seeing prospects in his sleep. finally had a chance to sleep, Fran. This is the audience's first time seeing you since Saturday night.

Good to see you on here. It's great to see you as well. I know you've been well traveled the last couple of days, but yeah, it's been a crazy couple days since the draft ended. Everyone's like, oh, like drafts over. Like now it's time to relax. You write up all the grades on everybody. I watched some film on some players that got drafted

in some of the other all-city markets that I hadn't done yet. Got grades done for all the five teams and all the five markets. and then now I'm going to start watching undrafted free agents across all the five markets. So we're still turning along with the draft content, at least for the next few days. Yeah, you mentioned the undrafted free agents. I see in the chat people want a Holland Pierce discussion. I promise you we are getting to the undrafted free agents. Thursday, Fran and I will be together then and we're going to be breaking down the list of reported

and the free agents, the undrafted free agents that we know about. That's not today, though. What today is we're going to look at the 10 draft picks. There are more than enough to discuss. And look, we had 16 hours of live programming over the weekend plus additional videos on demand where we broke down every pick, broke down the class overall, the days overall. So we're not going to do player by player here. What we're going to do is superlatives. So it's like, you know, when you're in your senior year, it's coming down to an end.

and the yearbook comes out and it's it's you know the most likely to be the p hl y producer joia off right uh so uh the the the superlatives today are going to be you know we have a list of of categories from this draft and we will be uh breaking those down i do want to say though if you go to all p hly dot com right now. You can read France entire pick by pick breakdown. I thought it was a creative way to explain the grades as opposed to A, B, C, D, like how they fit kind of within the value. I have 10 thoughts on this free, on this draft class that you can find on all p.hly.com and we're going to continue to have ongoing coverage, especially here is the Eagles transition to rookie minicamp and then OTAs. So let's let's get started here with the obvious one. And that is Fran Duffy's favorite pick.

Yeah, I think for me, it has to start at the top. And that's with Alabama linebacker Jihad Campbell. This was a guy that was ranked just outside my top 20. Obviously, the Eagles get him at 31 overall with a short trade up with the Kansas City Chiefs. You don't make a trade up like that unless another team is in talks to move into that slot. So the Eagles making sure that they can secure the rights to the versatile linebacker. And that first is going to be big. I know that, you know, there's a lot of thought of what, what is his, his role going to be in this Vig Fangio defense? Is he going to be primarily an offball backer? Is he going to line up off the edge and rush the quarterback? I tend to think that he were going to get plenty of him rushing off the edge as well.

But my gut tells me, it sounds like he's going to be a linebacker first and then edge rush second. I'm fascinated to see how that plays out over the course of not just the spring, but as we get into the summer and then certainly in the fall. So the line. backer first, edge rush or second, is that based on the Eagles depth chart where, you know, it's the quickest way to get on the field? Is it based on his skill set? Or, you know, because I do think based on the way Hallie Roseman was describing it the other night and really his emphasis on the fact that their position priorities have not changed, right? And he, more than anything, emphasized the edge rushing component of it. Like, is that just a feature of what he does or is that

me a prominent part of what he does. You know, we'll see if it develops into the prominent part of what he does. Just my understanding from conversations I've had in the last few days is that it's going to be linebacker first and then we'll see what happens from there. So I'm fascinated to see how this plays out. You know, how quickly does a transition like that happen, right? We saw that with Micah Parsons down in Dallas, not that Campbell is the athlete that Parsons is, but, you know, when he first got there, he was an offball backer that, hey, on third down,

on past situations. We're going to put down onto the line of scrimmage and cut him loose against the quarterback. And then it was year two when it became a full-time thing. How quickly would a transition like that happen? Is a transition like that going to happen? That's something that's certainly a way fun to track.

So then let's go to the other end of this year, which is your least favorite pick. And you can take this however direction you want. Yeah, you know, I struggled with it. And I think at the end of the day, it's going to be Andrew McCuba. and it was tough because I like the player. Like I do like Andrew McCuba.

You know, when we, when we announced the pick, when you broke the pick on the draft show on Friday night, I was like, yeah, like, all right, like Andrew McCuba, I'm excited about this. But just kind of sitting back and thinking about like, all right, like this is where I had him graded personally, you know, he was in the bottom end of a cluster of, you know, five or six safeties when you look at the Jonas Sankers and the Kevin Winstons

and the, you know, the Xavier Watts from Notre Dame. Like, you got a cluster of four or five, six safeties, you know, in that grouping after the top two of Malachi Starx and Nickemanwari. The Eagles, obviously, you target Andrew McCuba, so you feel convicted in your evaluation from that standpoint. I'm sure he got the stamp of approval from Vic Fangio. I'm excited to hear from Vic Fangio and from the coaching staff in the coming weeks and months on these rookies.

But you target this player specifically because you know how he fits in your scheme. And honestly, when I'm looking at this cluster, like I get how they landed there. So I see the fit. I don't hate the pick, but of the group, I would say it's probably my least favorite from the 10 selections. Yeah, one thing we spoke about over the weekend was his size or, you know, lack thereof. And the history of, you know, sub 190 pounds safeties is not especially, you know, well, I was about to say especially fruitful, but there's not a large sample size of it either. Now, there are reports that he's added weight, added muscle since the combine.

Would that change the way you view him? Or is this more based on the play evaluation? More on the play evaluation. You know, obviously, like, you know, the weight is the weight. And that was a thing. I mean, he has missed plenty of tackles over the course of his time in college. And some of that will be him falling off contact. But it's more about him just being a little bit overzealous, you know, coming down.

You know, he'll take pretty good angles to the ball, but he just comes in a little bit hot. similar to Sidney Brown in that way, where Sydney just comes in, he's a little bit out of control. But you see a little bit of that with Makuba. But I think that the size does play a little bit of a factor there. But I would just say overall, you know, because it's like this, right? When you're comparing clusters of players that way, like I liked Xavier Watts ball skills more than I liked, than I liked Makuba's ball skills, but I like Macuba's toughness a little bit more. Kevin Winston had Makuba's toughness was bigger, but it was not as athletic, not as rangy, right? And so there's a lot of like, all right, can we find like that, that, that Venn diagram,

who's the guy that has the most of those top end, those top end qualities, those critical factors at the position? I felt that Jonas Sanker was the most well-rounded where maybe it wasn't like a trait anywhere, but everything was B-plus. To me, like at safety, that's something I value was that consistency. So that's why I always kind of had him great as he would always grade out the best for me. But again, I don't argue with how they got there. not my personal favorite in terms of how I stack it. Yeah, it's interesting we discussed the first and second round picks here because we haven't spoken on the show

since before Howie Roseman's press conference on Saturday. I thought how he gave an interesting answer at the end. I asked him what he was hoping to accomplish from this class, right? There's sometimes a big picture takeaway. And it's not that he answered the question specifically, but he kind of gave philosophy in terms of how they they view their picks, which I think is is instructive for how we should evaluate them and kind of the process that went into this.

So we said the first round, what they're looking for is a blue chip player, like a pro bowl player. That's your best chance of landing that type of player is in the first round. Okay, he said the second round, what they want is a good starter, someone who can be a good starter and make a difference. Okay. So we need to view up the career of Mukuba within that context because all of this should be grading on a curve. You're not judging Jahad Campbell the same way you're judging Cameron Williams, right?

It's a different type. You're not judging Andrew McCubah the way you're judging Mack McWilliams and in the secondary. It's a different type of investment. So that's why I think the framing here is especially important. The third round pick, which the Eagles didn't have this year, but he says you're trying to get a minimum of solid start. and same really for the fourth round and in the middle rounds. And he says what he tells his scouting staff is on day three, I thought this was interesting. Shoot for starters.

Okay. And this is different than some other teams do it. Some other teams are trying to find specific roles like, can this guy do X? Plug them into X. How he says his view is they can find backups or these role players in August. They can find them on other spots of the roster. what they're looking for during day three of the draft is they're gambling on traits,

he says, players who have traits, who they think can make a difference. And he's not so worried about the hit rate of them. Like he's not trying to say nine out of ten players made the roster. What he's trying to think of is if three of these guys can become starters, that's a really good outcome. So as we go through this exercise, I think that's a good way for, you know, viewers and listeners to think about this. and I should also say to the viewers and the listeners live in the chat, answer these questions with us. Put it in the chat.

And then as you watch it back or you listen back, put it in the YouTube comments, your answers, put it in the Apple podcast comments, the Spotify comments. I will check them all out. I promise you that. So let's go on to the next one here, which is best value. Yeah, and this one was an interesting one just because obviously there's some context required, right? And I think for me, I landed with Cameron Williams, the tackle from Texas, just because, look, I know that no one was expecting him to go round one, the way that he was being talked about late in the fall.

I would say, you know, even my, my understanding going in was that we're probably talking early day three. At best, you know, he sneaks into the back end of the top hundred. You know, he goes late in the third round. But the way I anticipated coming into the week that he was going to be like a fourth or fifth round choice to get him in the sixth round, I think was fine value for a player. plus traits. And as I said on the show on Saturday, Cameron Williams was a player that as these two early mock drafts are coming out, we are, I know our friend Dane Brugler already posted his at the athletic. I'm sure I'll be doing one here in the coming weeks after I'm done all the UDFA reports.

But when you're when you do those two early mock drafts, if Cameron Williams had gone back to Texas for another season, my gut tells me that he would have been in a lot of these two early mock drafts. Hey, you know what? This is a guy that started off well. He was only a one year starter. kind of fell apart down the end. It was a lot of penalties. If he can clean that up, he's going to be in the first round mix in 2027, or 2026, rather.

And so I think, look, the Eagles, they take a big swing here with a talented player, a big tackle who's only got one year starting experience, a lot of things to clean up. I thought this was good value for the Eagles at the end of the day. I agree with you there. I was in the camp that I, in pre-combine, I had him as a day two pick for the Eagles. Obviously, that wasn't the valuation as draft approached. But for a sixth round, I like the pick. Let me ask you, because I know this is something we discussed.

I can see him bouncing inside the guard just based on what Jeff Stoutland has looked for in that spot. You know, you obviously see what they did with Brandon Brooks. You saw what they did with Mackay Beckton. Am I being ambitious there? Or do you think guard could be part of his profile? I think it's definitely possible. It would not shock me if we get out there the first time we watch them practice and Cameron Williams is out there working inside.

I do think at the end of the day, when you're dealing with a sixth round pick, especially any kind of developmental player, you typically want to say like, right, where do we feel most, where does he feel most comfortable right now? If he's just trying to get up to speed, don't put him in a new position where he's got to get like doubly up to speed,

right? Like Larry, if he feels comfortable a tackle, let's put him a tackle right now, let him catch up to, at least like a baseline, and then we could try and move him that way. Some people feel differently about that and say, like, all right, well, if he's going to be swimming, let's have him swim at the position that we, you know, fully anticipate him competing at by the time we get into training camp. So I think that will be interesting.

My gut tells me it'll be tackled, but, you know, I think it could go the other way as well. And then the other thing about him that I found interesting is, is we're not typically seeing the early entry who slides too far down because players are incentivized to return to college now. based on NIL and not even NIL, just based on the fact that they can get paid by the school, right? And typically, linemen are getting paid decently at some of these big schools. So are you surprised that he came out? Oh, yeah.

I was very surprised. I honestly, so I did a couple games. I want to say it was like October, early November. And, you know, I see the pluses. I see the minus. I gave him kind of like a developmental grade, you know, for a potential good starter down the road. So, you know, that's not to get into the nitty gritty. That's like kind of like middle of the middle of the road on my board. And I was like, all right, like when I watch him again, it could go the

other way, it could go either way. Obviously, he declared, or as I'm watching, you know, the college football playoff play out. I see the SEC championship game. I'm like, yeah, like this guy really struggled in this game. My gut tells me he's going to go back to school. So when he declared, I was pretty surprised, especially given the fact that we had all this talent at the top of this tackle draft. You know, clearly he thought he would be a part of that, at least that second wave, you know, where the Arante, Ariante Ersaries went, you know, middle of the second round. He fell significantly further than those guys. So, yeah, but my guess is he would probably regret that decision, but, you know, obviously, you know, we'll see how that plays out.

Yeah, and the shame in that, too, is he would have been blocking for Archmanning, potential number one. Yeah. If Archmanning comes out, Texas is going to be as prominent of a team as there is in the country next year. So you're right. I mean, if he had good film next year, he would have been in that mix. And that's why I agree, real strong value for the Eagles. And so the opposite side of that is, what's the worst value? Or where do you think they might have reached on a player?

Yeah, this one's tough, especially because Campbell, we establishes good value, right? And then when you get into day three, like to say a guy's bad value once we get it, and they had eight of their 10 picks run day three. So I just kind of landed on McCuba by default. Um, you know, just because this is a guy that I ranked like inside my top 100, but not, not closer to a hundred than 64. I forget what the final number is. It's in the, uh, it's in my draft grades. Uh, they're up now on all p.h.O.com. But, uh, I think when you're looking at McCuba, that was a little bit earlier than where I thought it was a little bit earlier than where

Daniel Jeremiah had him in his top hundred, a little bit earlier where Dave Bruegler had him in his top hundred. So I would say that he was probably the one where they felt the, the, the strongest about his evaluation and his projection moving forward. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And that's where I fell on this too. Like, I mean, clearly if you're watching now, I imagine you've watched our show quite a bit the past few weeks on draft weekend. And I liked Mukuba leading into the draft.

I did not think he was the third best safety in the draft. And when I say that, because I'm thinking not just like solid starter now, I'm thinking of the upside component of it. And I thought Kevin Winston's upside just based on the frame, based on the way he played two years ago in particular, that I like Kevin Winston more than Macupe. I frankly thought MacCuba was going to be more in that like seventh, eighth safety taking, and I liked him there.

So the fact that he was the third safety taken didn't love that value. But again, and I've echoed this point, and I'm probably like a broken record here, where the Eagles were drafted, it was where the Eagles were drafting was this odd spot where it was clearly a player that they liked. you're too far down for that top, you know, 30 player to fall off to you, right? If they were able to trade up, that would have been ideal. But 64, you're not, the board wasn't that great there. And I don't know what their trade opportunities were.

You know, how he said they were looking at trading back there. I don't know what was materializing. It was clearly a player that they targeted. But, yeah, I don't think that was like the, There's some picks, you know, like, we might get to it, Smile Mondin. And I saw, I saw Al Cali's comments on Felodafegals.com, Al Cali, the assistant GM, said, like, they were surprised Smile Mondin was on the board, right? And so there's some picks where like, you're looking at your draft board and you're like,

how is that guy still there? I don't know if Andrew McCaubert was like that, right? Andrew McCuble was probably one of those where they had, you know, the player targeted. And they're like, all right, we don't want to miss out on him. let's take him here, but it's not like he was this, this glaring exception on their board. Yeah, and we will talk in a different sprotive later about how, you know, different realities of how this could have played out. But when you were on the board in that situation, from what I understand,

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Welcome back here to the PHLY Eagle Show. Typically, we would go to some super chats here. You guys haven't paid for these chats today. Please, let's put that in there. But you know what? We're appreciative of the live audience. Cousin Grace is in here often. And Cousin Grace asks the question here that I will answer regardless.

And she says this was at two. Can someone please ask ZB what the deal was when Howie said he was going to drink whatever brand mescal after the presser directly at ZB when I said it. Cousin Grace, I will answer that question for you. Howie Roseman is an investor and owner in a Ms. Cal company called Phosphoro. And so Howie was going to have a celebratory drink after the draft. and he used the press conference as a way to, you know, give some pub to his mescal company. So I have had Foscour, I have had Fosporo, Misscal, for reporting purposes, that is. I got to tell you, like, I'm not a Ms. Cal expert.

It was good. I liked it. But, you know, there's a lot of things where I would say, or there's some things where I would say, like, I'm pounding the table, take my word on this. I've conviction in it. Mescal is is not my specialty. But yeah, Howie Roseman has a Ms. Cal company called Fosforo. Jim Kramer from Mad Money is a partner of his. So a little background there as far as why Howie brought that up. Speaking about Howie and his staff, Howie oversees everything, the scouting staff, the analytic staff. He doesn't oversee the coaching staff, but no one's being drafted without how he, you know, putting his finger on

the button. So these next three categories, I'm curious. Everyone has different favorites, right? And so I'm asking you to speculate here. First off, who do you think is the scouting staff's favorite pick, the one who, when the scouts are having a drink, whether it's Ms. Cal or Papp's Light, after the draft, they are discussing this player. Yeah, I went back and forth with this one. And it's funny, you mentioned the article on Philadelphia Eagles.com with, with assistant GM, Al Calby. I didn't know. I didn't read through that yet because I was going to just incorporate that into my whole, you know, I do the thing where I take in all the teams post draft coverage.

I was going to loop that in, you know, with that with that day, that few hours that I spend on the Eagles. But I actually picked Smile Mundin, the linebacker from Georgia. I think when you're looking at Mundin, he's got that like combination of our, he's got starting experience. He's got versatility. He's got trades. He can chip in on special teams. You can do a lot of different things on defense. There were a number of players that I thought about in this area, but Mondin was the guy that I landed on. I could see him being the more resounding, like, scout favorite, everybody in the room kind of getting on board, especially at that point in the draft. Yeah. And I thought with Mondin, too, it was now if if Jihad Campbell's playing the edge more, it's obviously a need. But

typically you're not probably looking at taking two linebackers, two off-fall linebackers, but I do think the value there jumps off. Your comp was right on in terms of Warren Berks because that's, you know, that's the role they're going to need here is a special teams contributor who can step in on defense and if there's an injury. It wouldn't surprise me if Smile Monzen pushes past Jeremiah Trotter Jr. on the depth chart at some point here, but certainly, you know, at least going into the season, he's someone who is going to have a day one special team's role for the Eagles just because

of his play style, his athleticism. And then, yeah, if he can develop as a weak side linebacker, that's obviously going to be beneficial there. Day one training camp, who's running with Zach Bond with the ones? Is it going to be Jihad Campbell, the rookie, or is it going to be Jeremiah Trader Jr. The incumbent? Yeah, good question. I'm guessing Jihad Campbell, the rookie.

Yeah. Yeah, what do you have? I mean, that would be my guess too. That would be my guess. I mean, we saw last year, obviously, they, you know, slow played it with Quinyan Mitchell, and we saw them kind of bounce inside outside. But, you know, my gut would say that Jihad Campbell would have the leg up there. But, yeah, that will be something fun to watch.

That will be fun to watch. So then let's go to the next one here. And that's the coaching staff's favorite. And because the coaching staff is often looking for something different than the scouting staff might be, that might be looking for the terms that I always use, like the way I, always frame it, is that long-term to the coaching staff is this Sunday's game, right? So, like, you know, if you're an assistant coach or you're a coordinator, you're not so focused on what this guy's going to be like three years from now.

You know, the coordinator or the position coaches might not be planning on coaching this guy three years from now, right? They're hoping to be a coordinator somewhere else in a year. So what they're looking for is someone who, if they need a solution this week, this guy can help them. So who do you think is the coaching staff's favorite player here? Yeah, here I landed with Ty Robinson, the defensive tackle from Nebraska. I just think this is a guy that can play from multiple techniques and win. He can affect the quarterback. He can affect the run game. He's everything you hear about him is like a plus off the field, very workman like player on the field. Just, you know,

again, consistency. I think that stood out well watching him. So for me, I could see, especially the fact they spent that first pick on day three on tie robinson i could see that being a situation where it's like all right you know you you finish up with day two uh howie and nick speak to the media press conference they go back upstairs they have their final meetings and conversations and just before everyone like turns the lights out you know vicangio clint hurt uh they kind of grab howie before they leave and like hey like tomorrow tie tony robinson like we we got we need we need somebody to come in uh and take some of these snaps and be a part of this rotation uh this is the guy that we want to make sure we target. You hit it on the head, Fran. And I think that's precisely what happened. A little background

here to how he said that he was in discussion for their third round pick before they traded back. So that was 96. Then they trade back. They trade back again. And he said they had opportunities at the top of the fourth round there that trade back. And they weren't going to do it because they didn't want to lose the chance to draft him. Right. And so look, it's an easy thing to say. And they did trade back twice in the third round, but I don't think they were, I do think this is a player, like you said, that they targeted for that very reason. He checks a lot of boxes, but you look at it from a coaching staff's perspective. One thing that coaches really value is versatility, right, is someone who can play multiple spots. So if, you know, if you're Clinton hurt and I heard

the phone call with Clint hurt and you need something, you know, if player X goes down in the middle of a game. Can Ty Robinson do that? The answer is probably yes. Because Ty Robinson can play multiple spots along the line. You know, when you see him, and I saw him at the combine, he is, he's big.

Like, he's a, he's a strong, like, he's strong, he's broad. You know, there are some of these guys where you're like, I wonder what it looks like when he fills out. You're not having that conversation with Ty Robinson. Ty Robinson,

Ty Robinson is filled out. And then the athleticism is also there. But, like, the, you know, this also stood out to me is Anthony Gargano. And make sure you're checking out Anthony's show every day Monday to Friday, 9 to 11. He gave the anecdote that, you know, as, as you know, Anthony knows Matt Ruhle well. Matt Ruhl wanted to come on his show right away and talk about Ty Robinson. Like, this guy is a coach's favorite. And I would expect that he's not just someone who is going to be like on the 15th,

man roster, he's going to be active on game days because of that versatility. Yeah, I think that with that skill set, I would agree that he's going to be in line to be a key part of the rotation sooner rather than later. So let's go to the next one here. And this one's interesting, too, because it's the analytics staff's favorite. And this can sometimes be different than the scouting staff, sometimes different than the coaching staff. Not to say that the analytic staff of staffers aren't watching film because they are, you know, they're not just like looking at the numbers. But what they're often doing is looking at data points. And like you're making their, the analytics staff is making their bets based on, all right, what's the precedent for players

who have, you know, this profile or that profile? So who do you think is the analytics staff favorite? Yeah. If you are, if you were someone that watched and listened to, to Bo and I do the, the draft show over the course of this off season, you know, we did several episodes where it was, all right, you know, what are the profiles there were some? What are the profiles that have a positive light and it was a lot harder in this draft to find like oh this is a really sound profile where it's young productive athletic like you just kind of check all the boxes and certainly when you get to this point in the draft they can be hard to find like one of the reasons why i loved the moro jama pick a couple years ago was that this was a young player who tested extremely well where all the efficiency

metrics were outstanding on a per snap basis he was productive and i was like man like all right check check check right you feel really really good when i'm looking at at uh antoine Powell Rylund, the pass researcher for Virginia Tech, not everything is super clean, but there's enough here that I think that you can be excited about. And there are models that would point to say, like, all right, like, yeah, there's a lot of reasons to get excited about this player, especially when you get into the sixth round of the draft. And so for me that the one knock is he's got really short arms, 31 and a quarter inch arms at the combine, just over six, two and a half.

So he's shorter and he's squattyer. That's a little bit concerning. Athletically, it was a solid profile from an athletic testing standpoint, didn't do any of the shuttles, but did do the jumps. And it was solid. It was above average 40 time for a guy who's just shy of 260 pounds. So athletically, it was solid, but not overwhelming. But when you look at the production, especially the last two years, there's a lot to get excited about it with this player with what he did in the ACC. He started 25 games over the last two seasons for the Hokies in those 25 games, 34 TFLs, 25 and a half sacks.

So over a sack of game, 34 TFLs and 25 starts. This is a guy that was living in the backfield, was very, very productive. And he's just got a feel for winning at the top of the rush. Honestly, we talked about, you know, there's a room in interest in Mike Green, you know, the pass rusher from Marshall,

potential first round pick. He ended up falling to the early stages of the second round. Honestly, he is like the Diet Coke version of Mike Green. I think when you're looking at the the body type, the play personality, the, you know, the skill set, the production, there's a lot there. Obviously, he doesn't have any of the off-field questions that Mike Green had. He's not quite the run defender that Mike Green was. And then Mike Green was a little bit more violent, a little bit more stout and consistent at the point of attack in that way. I think Rylan can get moved around a little bit bit, but it's not for a lack of want to.

He's just got to, you know, just get a little bit better from a technique standpoint and afford to get a little bit stronger in that area. I think if you're looking at them, especially purely as a pass rusher and like body type wise, very, very similar to Mike Green. And the profile speaks that way. You got him in the sixth round. I think that this is a fair bet to make at this point in the draft. Yeah. And it begs the question, the Diet Coke version like you said there. And that's probably a better reference to like than the poor man's version or the homeless man's version like you hear sometimes.

But typically you can see like a two round spread or a three round spread there. not a five or sixth round spread. You know, why do you think he's sitting on the board in round six? Yeah, I think, you know, it was a deep class.

You know, I couldn't tell you exactly why he felt it was a deeper class at edge rusher. Maybe the short arms kind of scared people off. Like I said, the run game wasn't always great. But stuff like this happens, man. Like,

you know, like it's like when Moro Jumma was the team's seventh round pick a few years ago. I was like, how is a guy with this profile still here on the board, right? And sometimes sometimes you can't necessarily explain it. You know, a player slips through the cracks here, he slips through the cracks there. Someone, hey, they want to take a developmental player here in this spot, but they go with the offensive lineman over the defensive lineman or, hey, this is a team that wants to draft an edge rusher, but they want guys with length or they want guys that, you know, they tested out of the gym. And so I think when you look at there was enough there that caused them to fall. But I think the production profile is definitely something that would be attractive for a team drafting at that point. in the draft.

I'm curious, too, we're going to pit off script here, but it ties into these last three questions is that, you know, Howie's job is to combine

these different, I don't want to say different constituencies because that makes it sound as if they're siloed, but, you know, I've spoken to Howie about this, that he needs to filter

all the information, right? So he's getting the feedback from the coaching staff. He's getting the feedback from the scouting staff. He's getting the data, the analysis, the quote-unquote analytics staff here, right? So in Howie's role or in any GM's role,

how do you weigh these different constituencies when you're on the clock or setting your board? Yeah, it's a really, it's a good question. And I would let these, these are the kinds of things where like owners meetings, like where he can like expand for a long time and just really kind of just go off. I would love to hear an answer to this question, you know,

from Howie, because number one, you know, and I've never been in these rooms during these conversations, But from what I understand, like talking with people, this is like one of his superpowers, his ability to kind of say like, all right, maybe not everybody's going to be on the right page. But, you know, being able to keep everybody happy, keep all invested partners happy, where, you know, coaches, analytics, scouting staff, you know, think about like the, it's not just like, oh, yeah, scouting staff. It's area scouts. It's your, your scouting directors. You have like all the executives that you have at the top of that list, at the top of the food chain there as well.

So just being able to get, let everybody feel that they're voice. is heard, still like make sure, hey, you know what? Like, maybe we couldn't get this guy for you, but I got this guy instead. You know, just allowing everybody to kind of share a piece of the pie. And, you know, that's, that's hard. You know, it's the same way as, you know, what Nick Siriani and Kevin Petullo and Aaron Morehead have to do when you're splitting up past targets between AJ Brown and Devante Smith, you know, everybody wants to feel valued.

And so I would say, uh, the big thing is just allowing those guys, you know, everybody in that room to be able to voice their opinion in the least. up and then just make sure that even if things don't go for a person's way that you follow up with them and are able to kind of give them support and show like hey this is why we went this direction over that direction as long as there's clarity and everybody's on the same page that way feeling shouldn't be too hurt yeah that's a good answer the one thing I'll say is that I don't think in any situation I I don't think everyone's ever on the same page right because like like These are human dynamics here.

This is not like, you know, a fantasy football auction when you're just drafting from, you know, the rankings, right? I mean, this people spend months, years, just their livelihoods and good scouts passionate about it. And we're just passionate about it. And, you know, someone who's working with the data is passionate about this. And so that's, you're absolutely right. This is something that Howie does well is that he does draw from the, from the, I'm from these different groups because frankly, they all present value, right? And like I always, I'm dismissive of anyone who's like dismissive of the data side or anyone who's dismissive of the scouting side.

Because what you're doing is, all it is is just accumulating different information that try to make the most informed decision. And if you belittle or devalue any one piece of information, then really, it's going to hurt your overall process. And so, yeah, you're absolutely right. When I talk to people about Howie and they ask me, like based on being around him for 13, 14 years, what jumps out to me? I say that same thing, is that he's able to draw from these different constituencies to make a decision. So that was a fun conversation. After that, we will look at the day three players that are most likely to earn a second contract.

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Appreciate everyone contributing here. First from Polar Jam, Polar Jam, spent all my money on mousetraps. Brand Duffy was so excited to see the mice that he went in to the studio today. Someone asked that friend didn't get the work from home, M.O. I got to say the working home memo came from Fran, I thought, right? I mean, I was, I was, I was ready to come to the studio today. I texted Fran because by the way, we, we've gotten 44 minutes. I should say this.

We miss Bo right now. We're excited for Bo to rejoin us when the time's right. But, you know, Fran, I said Tuesday, Thursday. I know you're, you know, if you want to go remote at school, he said, yeah, remote. So I thought that's what we were doing. going. But so, friend, I said remote, I said remote Thursday. I figured that we were definitely in today. And then when I saw the beginning part of your text in the group text, and it was like, oh, like, remote today and tomorrow, meaning like Monday and Tuesday. And I just completely missed the boat on that.

So I drove in, I get here and I'm like, Julie is not here yet. Zach's usually here. He's not here. I'm like, up, this is, this is going to be a problem. So thankfully, Brina was here as my life preserver to, to set me up. So we were good to do this remotely, since I don't have my microphone or anything with me from home. Well, you know what, what France truly doing is getting prepared for next Tuesday in studio. And you can join us too. Because we are doing, uh, this is, this is going to be awesome.

Uh, we're, we're near sold out capacity for, there you go. Oh, joy is incredible. Franz, girl session live from the pH, L.S. The one on March 25th. I missed that on, on, on, unfortunately. I'm eager for the May 6th one, uh, 530 to 8 p.m. Fran's going to break down film of the Eagles draftics live from the PHILI studio. You can see where the mouch traps are, the mice traps are.

So make sure you check that out. It's a die-hard only event. There's only a few tickets remaining. And it's also going to a good cause as well, cause that's dear to France, that's dear to France heart. Yeah, the Huntington's Disease Society of America. So appreciate everybody that has contributed.

I know last, when we did the free agency one, people donated super chats like specifically to go to go to hd so i definitely appreciate that but it's gonna be a lot of fun uh next to next tuesday night i think there's like three or four tickets left uh so we like expanded it to to allow for more people so uh take advantage while while you can jump in try and see if you can uh you can get one of those last remaining tickets and uh join us we're going to be right over there uh that way uh and we're going to uh be breaking down film uh of all 10 draft picks i i guess we'll try and figure out how we're going to allocate time uh to try and get through all 10, but it definitely should be fun.

Hang with Julia, Fran, Mickey, and Minnie. Who do you, from Mikey Fazed? Who do you predict will have more career passing yards for the Cleveland Browns? Shador or Johnny Mansell? Johnny Mansell was 1,675. Hmm. I would think that they are motivated, Cleveland, to get the rookies, whichever rookie stands out, get the rookie into the lineup fast this year,

to see if they've got anything, right? like to see if there's anything there before they go into next off season where they're armed with that extra the extra first round pick. So my guess is that they're going to have the chance and that being Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders to try and see the field this year. That said, I mean, fifth round pick, I would have to take the under. Like I would have to think that it would be that Mansell has the inside track to have the over there. Yeah.

I like Shador Sanders more than Dylan Gabriel. So if they do in fact go with the rookies this year, then I would go with Shador Sanders. I'm fascinated to see what happens with that job between Flacco, picket, you know, Shador Sanders, Dillon Gabriel. Yeah, it's going to be a fun one to monitor. Let's roll on with the superlatives here. The day three player most likely to earn a second contract with the Eagles.

Yeah, this was a good one. To me, where I kind of landed here was Ty Robinson. And it's low-hanging fruit just because he was the, earliest of the day three selections but uh and he's a little bit older so all right by the time of that contract had he'll be 28 uh you know 29 so I think when you're looking at it um I just feel like he's since he's got the highest floor a guy that's going to play right away he felt the most certain to me that he would get a second contract with the team yeah um I I hear you there 28 though it's a little older to sign someone to a second contract um you know even mac McWilliams uh I was I was thinking of him

here. I was considering going with, with Mondin and say typical for the Eagles to pay someone for a second contract. If I had to bet, I would bet on one of the offensive linemen, you know, either Miles or Cameron Williams. I just didn't know which one to go with here. And that's why I couldn't pick it because I'm like, all right, like, I don't know which one, you know, both of them are risky bets. And so it's possible that both hit. It's possible that neither hit. So, you know,

that's why I couldn't land on one of those two. And so that brings it to the next one here, which is the day, player at least likely to make the team. It would surprise me if the Eagles kept all 10 rookies on the 53 man roster, especially when they have a history of taking practice squad, or I'm sorry, undrafted players. They already have a deep roster as it is. And the other thing, too, is they haven't been afraid to cut, you know, sixth round picks. And this is not a class where it's deeper on, you know, guys on day one, day two.

This is a day three class with four sixth round picks. So who's least likely to make the 53 man roster? Yeah, to me, the guys that felt safe was like everybody up through Smile Mundin, right? Like I felt like, all right, Mundin and everybody that was drafted before him felt safe for the 53, you know, quote unquote. So then I get to the remaining few guys and it's our who's competing. You mentioned both tackles. It's possible that Hinton or Williams plays their way onto the 53. It's possible that one of the two or both of them fall flat on their face and just don't, you know, don't look like they're ready for the NFL.

and don't make it through the 53-man cut down at the end of August, early September. The other player would be Kyle McCord, you know, because you know, you have Dorian Thompson as, you know, the other third quarterback right now. Those two are going to be vying for that role. You know, are they, you know, it's not a guarantee that McCord's going to come in and win that job. And so I think at the end of the day, I landed on one of those three. I'd to pick like least likely.

maybe maybe Hinton but I don't feel great about that. Yeah, this is one of those tackles is not going to make the team. I wouldn't have. And we saw that last year, by the way. You know, Trevor Creek with both Kagan and Don McMahon, one didn't make the team, right? And so it's easy to project roles right now. Yeah, I think Hinton and Williams could be competing for one spot. Hinton, you know, the athletic profile, the size that jumps out, he is older.

Now, that's not as much a concern on the offensive line. I'm curious to see that. Someone here in the chat, Mike Y, thanks for watching, says, Drew Kendall. I think Drew Kendall's going to be their backup center this year. Yeah. I should be wrong, but, you know, he was a top five center in this drag class. It wasn't an especially deep draft class at center. No.

But I think Drew Kendall is, I think he's going to be on the 53. is that how you look at this situation? Yeah, I think that, you know, we know that they've got other options there. You know, clearly they moved on from Delovin Man last year. So they're, you know, they're comfortable, you know, with what that picture would look like without a true backup center. But Kendall's just, it's a different profile where, you know, McMahon, it was more about like his athleticism and what the upside could be.

And then with Kendall, I think you kind of know what you're getting here. You know, I don't think there's a lot of mystery to it to what he's going to bring. So, you know, this is an experienced, you know, veteran college center that, you know, it's got NFL bloodlines, the athletic upside isn't like stupendous, it's fine. I think you got, again, you kind of know what you're getting here with Drew Kendall. So let's go to the next one here, which is the player bound to be a training camp slash preseason standout. And this could either be a camp crush or a fan crush. So Bowulf's camp crush, which is a much more nuanced football guy criteria than the fan stand at,

you know, the fan camp crush. And far be it for me to try and predict who Bo's camp crush is going to be, although I feel like I did a pretty good job of predicting that last year. Basically, he said, I remember standing on the sidelines at Nocare Complex, watching practice early on in training camp and saying, I already wrote three names down for who I think your crush is going to be. And I'm pretty sure there was his three, his three top names. So I feel good at my ability to do that.

I'm not going to do it publicly because I know if I pick somebody publicly, he's going to say that he's going to hate that player by the time we get to camp. So that all that said, I would say a fan favorite, it's probably going to be MacMac Williams. I think when you look at, yeah, I think when you look at his play personality, the way that he's going to perform, like this is a hyper competitive, you know, really feisty corner. I think that he's got a good shot to be working with the second team, you know, as we get into the summer, you know, just especially with that, that versatility. He can play up, you know, you can play inside or in the slot.

So he's going to back up Cooper de Jean, probably, right? I'm interested to see what that looks like from a rotation standpoint by the time we get into the summer. But with the way that he plays, where I would imagine, like, I mean, if he looks anything in one-on-ones this summer, the way that he looked at the senior ball in one-on-ones, like here, that was, some guys just have a knack for being in what, you know, doing one-on-ones and some guys don't. He was really, really good in one-on-ones down in Mobile. So if that carries over, you know, as he projects into the league, I think that will play well for fans and certainly for media as we're tracking the performance in these one-on-one drills. every day during the dog days of summer.

Yeah, you know, I've been deferring to you in any interview I've done since the draft on Mac Mac Williams because I read away, admit, I did not do work on MacMac Williams other than read the profiles on him, right? So I'm trusting your judgment here. The profile doesn't jump out to me in terms of, like, he wasn't a decorated college player, you know, he wasn't, you know, first-team all conference, like, multiple years, anything like that. UAB, he didn't really distinguish

himself there, kind of jumped on the scene more at UCF, doesn't have long arms, so you're thinking more of a slot guy. I know Al Calbi said, some people view them on the outside, some people view them on the inside. You're not really looking at sub 30-inch arms on the outside as, you know,

if you're, you know, so yes, you're probably looking at a backup slot, but I'm taking your word on Mac McMilliams. I think Smile Mondin or Kyle McCord here. I can see Kyle McCord, you know, having like an impressive second or third preseason game and just passing the ball better than Thompson Robinson and fans getting excited about that. Now, I don't know if it's like as pure, let's say, as Tanner McKee,

but there are, you know, Kyle McCord, he's, he'll, he'll be aggressive with the ball, right? Like it's not just going to be like checkdowns, you know, which there have been quarterbacks in the past who it's, it's like, is this guy ever going to take a shot down field, right? That won't be Kyle McCourt. Kyle McCord will be aggressive with the ball. And the thing I keep saying about Kyle McCourt is I was on the phone the other night with a player from the Eagles past who, you know, we were going over a few things. Lex. And this person was like really talking up J. Allen Hertz being like, you know, you. you guys, meaning the media, don't make a big enough deal about, like, the fact that he always wins.

And, you know, I think that that is kind of like the narrative on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, but it is something that that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I'm sorry, Frank Brown, I'm sorry, friend brown. is, he had 26 starts in college. He won 22 of those games. And you can say, all right, well, he played with a loaded Ohio State team. Syracuse wasn't just him. Fran Brand, I'm sorry, Fran Brown did an outstanding job. but he was a program changer there. When he was in high school, he was a program changer, or not program changers. He just perhaps always good.

But he was a, he was like that that team won with him. And so there's something we said about a guy who wins everywhere he goes. And Kyle McCourt has had that effect. So it wouldn't surprise me if he has a good summer for the Eagles. I would like it if everyone that's watching in the chat, we've got hundreds of people watching right now on a Tuesday afternoon. If we were live for like 18 hours this weekend, more than that, 20 hours this weekend.

Leave your guesses in the chat as to which former Eagle Zach was talking to the other night about the Eagles draft class. I'm not going to say what was. I'm going to say you're not going to get the correct answer. Wow, no faith in the chat to come up with his name. There's more of a reason for everybody to just turn through. Leave your comments, not even in the chat. Leave it below the video after the video is posted.

Here you go. The next one here, the pick that most frustrated a team one to three picks after. the Eagles. So someone who, when the Eagles pick this guy in a different draft room, they're not pounding the table with excitement. They're throwing. They're saying, damn, how he got it again, right?

So who is that? This was a tough one. Part of me thought about Jahad Campbell because the Cleveland Brown selected linebacker Carson Sweshinger from UCLA with the 33rd pick, the first pick of the second round.

I wondered, because he would fit their profile, Jehad Campbell. So part of me did wonder about that. I could see that being the case. They have not been afraid of medical red flags in the past either, Cleveland. But I did go to a day three pick. And this was, this was tough because it's like, all right, let me find, like, what would make sense here?

Did this team address this position in the draft? I went with Mack and McWilliams. The Eagles selected him 145th overall. The Rams picked three selections later at 148. They picked nose tackle Ty Hamilton from Ohio State. Now, they did have a need of defensive tackle. but they also have a need of corner and he kind of fits their profile of the undersized, versatile, scrappy, line him up and off coverage and let him read to read stuff out.

McWilliams was a player that I kind of pegged during the process as being a good fit for that defense out in L.A. So that was one where I'm like, all right, if I'm looking at the pick and where he went, I could see the Rams saying like, ah, we would have loved to have Mac McWilliams in that spot. Well, if the Rams were interested in him and the Jaguars probably were interested in him too, because James Gladstone and Les Need are like kindred spirits apparently. James Gladstone predicted that Terrence Ferguson pick, according to Michael Silver's article today,

great article on The Athletic. You should check that out inside the draft room. Always like the inside the draft room pieces. But yeah, I was surprised by Terrence Ferguson in the second round, not James Gladstone. So if the Rams are interested in him, then I imagine the Jags were as well. Those were good answers.

And if you want to know the answer to the next question here, which is the player the Eagles missed from one to three picks before them, then make sure you tune in. And the reason I am being slow here is because we're getting within 10 seconds. Make sure you tune in to overtime here on the P.S.O.I. Eagles show. Not as good at that as Bo is still working on my timing. I didn't want to be too early. Didn't want to be too late.

but we appreciate all the all those who are who did watch on fast and I say that because my grandfather is now an ardent viewer on fast he has a Xfinity cable not a big YouTube guy but now that he knows that he can get it on fast he's watching it all the time there so here and overtime we timed this well this is the last question from the superlatives which is the player the Eagles missed from one to three picks before that in the draft after him how he was steaming about. Yeah, this is a tough one. I mean, I think we got to go back to day two, right?

And we talked about this in the moment, you know, it was just how this was playing out. We talked about the, the Andrew McCuba selection, you know, taking him at 64. And you don't know how this is going to play out, right? You just kind of have to look back. But just kind of reading the board, reading team needs, how is this going to play?

You know, you take Mukuba at 64 and you waited on a position like, you know, say tight end or, you know, if you were going to go defensive line later or whatever that was. But you have McCuba at 64. And instead of taking a player like Harold Fanon, a player from Bowling Green that we thought maybe they were interested in, maybe you trade down a little bit again. And you try and pick up some extra assets there and you take a fan.

And then you had Xavier Watts, the safety from Notre Dame, available in that spot with your original third round pick at number 96 overall. If the Eagles knew that was going to play out that way, would they have swapped it? That's, we obviously, we don't know the answer to that. But the other one that just kind of stands out to me, you know, was the trade down when they've traded from 96 down to 101 and then they trade out again. And we thought it right away. I'm like, all right, does that mean that they always wanted to trade out of that spot?

Or was there someone that they had their eye on when they made that slight trade down? And then that person was scooped up ahead of it. The person that we kind of anticipated would be that player was William and Mary tackle Charles Grant just because they had him in on a 30 visit. He went off the board two picks earlier to the Las Vegas Raiders. And then as soon as that happened, the Eagles trade out of the third round altogether. So those are the only two situations that kind of came to mind. Was there, was there anything that stuck out to your mind? Yeah.

So I spent a lot of time looking at the second round. I'm curious if you think at 64, if Shamar Turner had fallen two spots, if he would have been the pickets before. Just because that is, you know, that's the defensive line. He came in for the visit. And, yeah, that was kind of the player I was targeting. at that point. I'm fascinated when Bo gets back to hear what his shadow draft was for at 64. But I absolutely agree with what you just said.

I wrote this on on all-PHLY.com yesterday in my 10 thoughts. If you have the benefit of hindsight and you know how the board's going to fall, I do think Eagles would have taken Harold Fennon at 64 and then seeing what the safety situation was going to be. I don't want to suggest that because what a consensus board is or what you or Dane might rank the safety, that's how the safeties were going to go off. But the fact that someone like Xavier Watts was on the board at 96, the fact that Jonas Sanker went off the board at 93. Like there wasn't that run on safeties after MacCuba. In fact, there wasn't the only safety taken between MacCuba at 64 and Sankey. at 93 was was was was Kevin Winston Jr.

And it wasn't like macuba was the clear like number three. You know, this was in the eye of beholder. Do you there's any chance macuba falls to 96 number one or within that like, you know, 85 to 96 range that, all right, this is a guy, the Eagles targeted. They got Fanon at 64. You have some fifth round picks at your disposal. You move up and you try to get, uh, McCuba at like 85 or something like that. Yeah, clearly they value, they targeted, obviously, Andrew McCuba, right?

And so the question now becomes is, were they dead set on getting one of those, you know, we'll say if it's, you know, for them, maybe we're saying it's five or six, but it's unlikely that it was five or six safeties for them. I would say, like maybe it was two or three safeties that were in that cluster, right? Or is it, hey, you know what? Like, we grade McCuba ahead of those guys for certain. And it's McCuba versus Fanon versus, you know, insert offensive tackle here, right?

Whatever positions you want to kind of plug in there. And hey, there's only a couple of those guys left on the board in this tier. We don't have any trade offers that, you know, put us in range to definitely get one of them. So we have to stay put. Right. Maybe it was just him and Fanon at that point. But the only trade offer they had was 10 picks away and they didn't want to risk missing out on both. So, you know, those are the things obviously we're not privy to.

It does come down to their ultimate evaluation of the player of McCuba. Anytime you jump back. out ahead. And, you know, when you have that kind of cluster and say, all right, yeah, this is our guy. You have to feel convicted on it. And I think you kind of have to have the coaches buy in as well to feel convicted on it as well if you're going to pick a guy that early. Yeah.

It's a great point. And it's the, it's the reality of the draft first draft analysis is that like they're making decisions in real time. We're making analysis with all the information. You know, I say like the, you know, a little flex here. When you write a book about a season, all right? The biggest benefit you have. is that you know how the story ends.

So it's like you can connect all the dots after the fact. Oh, all right. This makes sense that this happened in week three. And now you can connect it to something that happened in the third week of the postseason. And so after the fact, you can say they should have done that. They should have done that. When you're on the clock at 64, you don't know when Fannin's going to go. You don't know if there's going to be this run on safety.

So you're, yeah, you're sticking to your board, but you're also making a projection on the valuation of the player. That's that's the great part of this. And just answer a question that I got a few times since last week, as far as like how I do my mock drafts, like I'm able to be selective in that. What I'll do is I'll simulate an entire mock draft. Like I won't do the ones where I pick on the clock.

I will simulate the entire mock draft multiple times. And then I'll go plus or minus like 20 picks to see, all right, so they kind of get a sense of what the range is. and then you can kind of put it together based on all right if they target this position this round this position that round um so that's uh it's easy to do that after the fact when you're in real time you can't do that no i think it's a it's a valid point it's a i think when you're uh when we're looking at it from the outside as well they're there's so there's so much information uh and you know that's exactly what you were saying too where you know you're if you want to look at my rankings and

Dan Jeremiah's rankings and Dane Bruger's rankings and Mel Kuiper's rankings. Well, imagine that, but like exponential to that, right? Because you've got grades from area scouts, scouting directors, assistant coaches, uh, the, the coordinators, the head coach, the GM, all the executives that you so you have all these rankings for everybody in the organization that has gotten eyes on this player. So there's a lot of opinions. Uh, as you mentioned, that's something that's how he, how he's been is so good at over the course of his career is just kind of juggling that taking in everything and just trying to find that that happy medium to kind of thread the needle and find consensus well said and then just uh one last big picture thought for me here

uh before we get to the final super chat and wrap up and this is something that i've put thought into the last like 48 hours and it's actually something i have my conviction on i feel strongly about and it differs from some of the analysis that i've seen not necessarily from us but like elsewhere after the draft and it's it's that uh you know the eagles the eagles didn't address tight end and that's a problem. All right? And I actually think, um, like this isn't, you might think that I'm, well, either pandering or in the bag. It's, it's not even that. I think it's a great thing. I think it's a, it's a sign of good process that the Eagles didn't address tight end in this draft. And let me explain because I think it's problematic when you're sitting there day three and you say,

like, we need this position. Let's, let's just pick from this position. If, if the, if the pool of players is not attracted to you. Don't just pick it just to fill the depth chart there. Now, you can fault them more for, all right, they should have gone fan in day two. But you're, you know, I've heard this argument. They had all these day three picks and they didn't take a tight end. But you don't just take a position because you don't need it. And I've heard how we say it that if you address all your needs on draft weekend, it probably wasn't a good draft because it means you probably forced picks. And I, and so I, uh, I think that's, that's, that's, that's, that's good process for the Eagles. It doesn't necessarily leave them in a great spot right now,

especially pending a God or decision. But I wrote before the draft. I don't think the Eagles are hell-bent on taking a tight end if the board doesn't fall their way. The board didn't fall their way. And so I think it's a good process that you don't just force a position because it's a perceived need. No. And I, I a thousand percent agree with that. You know, and it's funny too. And look, like Dallas is a great player. you know people have talked about well they could they could they could still move on uh from dallas god i tend to think that we're probably heading more towards a solution than not um but i think at the end of the day like even if they did decide that they're going to move on from dallas scotter well they don't have a suitable replacement they did spend like half the regular season without dallas got it last year and the offense was still producing at a high high level now uh you know there are there are definitely uh drawbacks to that plan that being the number one option going into the season but uh to say like oh that the offense is going to be able to operate like i don't necessarily feel that strongly about it. It's less than ideal, but I do think they'd be able to get by.

But as we sit here now on April 29th, I do feel like it feels, you know, it feels like they're going to probably get to some kind of like Josh sweat, similar solution as they did last year with the defense event. Well, if that's going to happen, I think seeing what Trey McBride and George Kittle were able to do with the tight end market, so it's battered more than it helps the Eagles. What would a PHLY Eagle show be if we didn't have a Chase Daniel, on plain view contribution here. And you know, Chase, he likes to be edgy,

which Eagles coach is most likely to have their kid a hack into their laptop, steal a phone number and do a prank call. Doug Nuss Myers is in New Orleans, so he's not eligible. Chase, I appreciate it. It's spirit of this question, not that I don't want to make light of this because it's not like, you know, I feel bad this occurred. So I don't have a good answer for you on this, but yeah, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's a tough spot because like, you know, these phone numbers, obviously teams have them and

it's not meant to be used this way. You don't say. Yeah, I don't have a good answer for which Eagles coach is most like that. Honestly, I suppose the answer is whichever coach has teenagers because that's something that, you know, you're more apt to do when you're between like, you know, 15 and 24. than, I don't know, 24th, maybe a little old, 15 and 12 and 20, let's say, then, or 12 and 19, I don't know. Yeah, the 21-year-old son of Jeff Ulbric should know better than, than the same of this. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

But nonetheless, Chase Daniel Plainview, I appreciate the contribution, and I especially appreciate you guys watching every day. And if you want to watch tomorrow, unfortunately, Fran won't be on with us tomorrow. he'll be driving back from the studio. But we will have, it's going to be Rich Hoffman. Rich Hoffman's back in town. And Rich and I are either going to, Rich, if you're watching right now, and I'll text you, if you want to do studio, we'll do studio.

Actually, Vince, Vince left that up to you. So on my schedule, I'm in studio tomorrow. But Vince said, if you prefer remote, we'll do remote. But Rich Hoffman and I are tomorrow. We're breaking down the Eagles offensive depth chart. Okay. So just to give you a map out of the week here, Fran and I are back together on Thursday, and we will be doing the Vince special, which is breaking down the undrafted free agents.

Vince gave me a call the other day saying, I know, you know, we ask a lot of you guys. The one thing I ask is that you do an undrafted show. And I'm like, Vince, I promise you that will happen. Undrafted show, undrafted article, whatever it is. But yeah, we will be breaking down the undrafted players on Thursday. Friday, Jamie Lynch and I are on Stream Yard, or are remote, and I need to see what the Eagles rookie minicamp schedule is because there's a chance we might need to make some staffing adjustments there.

But in any event, we will be doing the Eagles defensive Jeff chart. And I bring that up because we will have some news by then. The deadline for the Jordan Davis fifth year extension is Thursday of this week. by Friday show when we do the defensive debt chart, we'll know if Jordan Davis is on an expiring deal this year or if he has two years remaining on his deal. So that's, that's, that's why we're holding off on the defense until then. What's your gut tell you? My gut tells me they pick it up. They pick it up or they work out an extension. And the reason I say that is because, uh, I think the Eagles would much rather bet on, you know, 12.5 million

dollars or thereabouts for a player who has traits, who has. has a, you know, who they, they like and just needs to scratch the upside, then not exercising the option. And he has a big year. Then he, if he's a big year, he's a $20 million a year free agent next year. Right. And I think they, what they would rather bet on having the player on, you know, I guess paying him a little more than missing out on the possibility of having.

But I do think, though, the best solution is work out a three-year deal with him right now. Three years, $30 million, you know, $20 guaranteed, and you are paying him less than what that fifth-year option is, and he gets the security for the next two, three years of the deal. That's what I would do. But Howie's not asking me my advice on this one. Yeah, I think you're probably right on that. I'm interested to see. I'm sure we'll get news on that.

Obviously, we're going to get it by Friday. So we appreciate Fran coming in this. studio today. And I'm in the mice. I've been saying it, Franz, the best in the business at this. And always, you know, his draft season on 20, 25 is wrapping up the next few days. And then he'll quickly turn the 2026. We're fortunate that you can find all that coverage here at PHLY on all phtly.com

and throughout the All-City Network. We appreciate everyone watching. Bo would tell you, as always, we love you. Thank you to Julia, by the way. And Bo would say, as always, we love you. I will say, we'll do better tomorrow. Thanks for watching.