PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles NFL mock draft roundup: Could Jeff Stoutland’s departure change the Eagles’ big board at offensive line?

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

The Eagles’ tendencies in the NFL draft may be due for some significant changes in light of Jeff Stoutland’s departure and a sea change on the offensive coaching staff. After a couple weeks evaluating prospects up close, draft expert Fran Duffy and EJ Smith break down the players most often projected to the Eagles and how they might fit with Sean Mannion’s vision for an offense in transition. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome in everybody. We are live from the Infinity Mobile Studio. This is the P.H.O.I. Eagles show presented by Bet365 and Ashley. I know everybody's got their favorite heart tea. The E.J. Smith, the hostess with the mostest, let's say. And I am joined. Don't make it inappropriate. I am joined by draft savant, Fran Duffy. I'm very excited for the show. We have a lot to get to. We've got consensus mock drafts. We've got big board talk to get through. We've got an Eagles coaching hire.

And we have a trade rumor. So we've got a lot to get into. But first and foremost, Fran, how are we doing today? Happy Friday, right? Francis is at home today because they are in-service day at his school. So it's the start of a four-day weekend for him. I told him, just because you're off doesn't mean I'm off. So it's been a fun back and forth all day.

Nice, nice, very nice. Yeah, I'm always like, I don't have a good sense of like the in-service schedule. So like I was on the phone with my sister earlier and I'm like, why are your kids in the car? It's like noon and she's like, it's an intervis day. So I'm sure it's tough to keep track of for you. But no, like I said, we've got a lot to get into here. I wanted to start with what we are going to call the big takeaway, which is presented by Xfinity, which is life after Jeff Stoutland for the Eagles here in terms of,

evaluating draft prospects, especially along the offensive line with Stoutland, being such a player developer. I wanted to get your idea, or a sense from you, Fran, how much do you think the big board changes for them on the offensive line, now that they don't necessarily have the player developer that Stoutland is at offensive line coach there? Yeah, I think the big thing for me, when I think about this process, I'm sure it's how some people internally are probably viewing it as well, is you're still going to have a lot of the same, you know,

the same factors that you're looking at, right? Now, the things that do change, the fact that it's a new offensive system, it's a new offensive line coach, there might be more tendencies that you're looking at and say, hey, we're going to lean more into this type of style, athletically, hey, we don't want big, powerful guards, right? Maybe we want smaller, leaner, more athletic, you know, quote-unquote,

offensive linemen. The thing is, is that the Eagles have done a really good job of collecting guys that have what Jeff Stalwood would always call those unusual traits. Unusual traits. Yeah. So you would see, you know, Cam Jargon is obviously a great athlete. You know, they've incorporated all those guys in Milata Lane. Those guys have been great athletes where they've always gone a little bit more like

bigger and burly has been at guard. And so do you still, is that still the archetype that you're looking for? You know, I think to me, what I think is the way I'm going to approach this now is because I'm looking at who could the Eagles be targeting in certain positions? I think about this for all 30. two teams. I look at it as, okay, well, what are Howie Roseman, Nick Siriani, like that, that pairing? What are the types of players, the type of profiles that they typically target? And we've seen them target. And now, instead of just applying that to edge rush or corner or this

position or that position, I think you basically just say, like, all right, we're going to put that along the offensive line. I think the big thing, though, is with every talent acquisition, with every player acquisition in the last 12 years or, you know, 13 years, you always kind of said, like, all right, it's got the benefit of the doubt because Jeff Stalind has his stamp of approval. Now maybe there's a little bit of a suspension in that until the, you know, the proof was in the Yeah, no. And I think that it's a really good point that Hallie Roseman's voice, especially, I think is probably going to be more pronounced when they evaluate offensive line prospects, this draft cycle. I guess it's probably hard to separate the two, you know, because of the fact

that, you know, Howie Rosen and Jeff Statlin have been working in tandem for a while here evaluating these prospects. But what would you expect, howie, Roseman offensive line prospect to look like that maybe would differ from what we've seen in the past. Well, and to that point really quickly, because I do want to answer that part of it too, you know, there are a lot of analysts that are in the media, right, obviously. And, you know, whether it's former players, former coaches, former scouts, you know, you go down the list. And what you'll often find is that as they talk about players that they like and they talk about, you know, they release their rankings and their big boards and things like that, they will often

mirror the, there are GMs and decision makers and coaches that are in the league that they came up with. Because it's like, hey, like, we learned together. We were like, you know, in the foxhole together. We were grinding through the tape at, you know, 3 a.m. on a on a Tuesday in April. Like, you know, those kinds of things are formative in terms of how you put together your evaluations and what you believe are your priorities at every position. So a lot of those same critical factors that, you know, Jeff Stalind would talk about, I would imagine, yeah, there is going to be crossover now.

with what, you know, especially because like, Harvey Roseman, other coaches, other scouts, like you have seen this combination of skills work for this position. So you see, all right, like, this is what Jordan Mila looked like. This is what Lane Johnson looked like. This is what all these Atlanta Dickerson or what they all looked like. All right, we can kind of replicate that moving forward.

I think that's what the hope is moving forward. Now, in terms of like what I would be looking for, the thing is, like, and I've talked about this with you, like, I track all 32 general managers teams, and I kind of look at like, all right, what types of players are they looking at at certain positions? When you have a general manager that has been in place for a long period of time over multiple coaching staffs, what you typically see is like those things tend to fluctuate. And, you know, because a GM, you're always trying to make sure that you deliver players to your coaches that they like, right?

And so, you know, you want to play right to their scheme. So I think the big thing is that what I have noticed over the last, you know, since 2021, since Nick Siriani first arrived, What do we hear next year on? We talk about all the time. It's like the dog mentality, right? Yeah. Competitive. Yeah.

But that's the thing is that when you look at just the first round pick, second round pick, third round pick. So like primary, you know, the prime selections there, they, you know, in terms of draft capital. Every draft since 2021. In one way, shape, or form, these guys all kind of represent like, you know, dog mentality, right? They, hey, like, they're really tough and violent and physical.

They were like alpha dogs in the locker room. They were, you know, they're sort of hyper competitive. the work ethic, whatever it is, you can look at every single one of those guys and say, yeah, that fits this player, that fits that player. And so I don't, my guess is you're not going to see an offensive lineman brought in that doesn't check that box. Now, we can start getting into like other parts of the profile and things like that. Like, you know, I don't think that Howie Rosen is going to be drafting like an offensive lineman who dominated in his age 24 season as a 60 year senior, like just because I think that there are certain things like, you know,

there's certain sandboxes that they're going to play in. But I do think that open. the door in terms of the types of players that they're going to be looking at. Yeah, you know, you're describing like that Nick Siriani type of player reminds me of when Nick and Howie talked about Will Shipley and how this guy was even competitive with his grade point average. And it's like always something that stood out to me. It was an interesting scouting note there. So that's going to do it for the big takeaway presented by Xfinity.

I did want to ask you, Fran, about a couple of these offensive line prospects and maybe whether they move up your your big board here for the eagle specific or whether they stay put. The first one is Caden Proctor, the offensive lineman from Alabama. I know his range starts probably well before the Eagles will be on the clock at 23, but I do think when I looked at his profile, and you know, you guys should 100% check out Fran's draft guide because, I mean, the information that you're going to get on these guys is unbelievable. And as a, you know, preparing for the show even using it as a resource was incredible for me. So you're going to see a lot of notes from Fran's draft guide throughout the show.

So be sure to go to all p.hly.com and become a diehard so that you can get access to all of these write-ups on all these different players. A quick glance at him in your draft guide, Fran, he seems like a very eaglesy type of prospect. You know, a former five-star recruit, three-year starter at Alabama, unusual at 67, 360 pounds. do you think that, you know, a player with a high variance like that, I guess how much does Stalton's departure impact, how you would view that fit for the Eagles? Yeah, I think that the where I'm kind of circle good, because this is also still so fresh, right? We're still only like days since this announcement. The way I'm kind of looking at this now is that I don't think the type of player changes in terms of who they're searching for.

I think it's now, it's just, again, it's the suspending that, you know, like, oh, yeah, like, get the benefit of the doubt or, like, the confidence that this player is going to hit, right? Like, it doesn't mean it's not going to, but, you know, there's not that track record there with Chris Cooper here in Philadelphia or anywhere of saying, like, oh, yeah, like, he can get this really raw, moldable ball of clay and turn him into a super refined product, right? And so, you know, I remember last week when you had Alec Lewis on and talking about, you know, like, you know, Christian Dyrshaw, like, yeah, he's a little bit. He should be given some credit for that,

but he was, like, established in, like, a pro-caliber tackle when he arrived, right? And so I think when you're looking at, you know, getting a guy like Caden Proctor who, yeah, absolutely checks a lot of the boxes, like unusual physical talent, underclassman, performed well at an early age, he is, I mean, when you talk about some of the blocks that this guy delivers in the run game, like finishing guys, you know, at first level, second level, even third level. I'm like, yeah, like, okay, there's dog mentality. there are some weird things about the background he's got some medical stuff there were times where he was

extremely heavy so like the weights so there was like some comparisons to macapectin he has been a three-year starter at left tackle for alabama and he's had issues especially the last like two years in pass protection just like giving up the soft corner a lot of people do think he'd probably be better served sliding into guard for that reason and i do think that yeah that might be in his future i i typically lend you know trend towards let him fail at tackle and kick him inside. But we did just go through this with the kid that the Giants just drafted a few years ago in Evan Neal where it did not work a tackle. And they're like, oh, moving to guard. He's become a backup guard. He's not even a starting guard. So, you know,

I do think there's a little bit of boom bust there. But Proctor, I mean, from a physical talent standpoint, it's tough to argue. So let me give you my vantage point on draft stuff, especially this early, it's not early in the process for you, but for me as like a beat reporter being early in the process, getting to know some of these guys. The first thing that I always ask myself is like, is this player realistic for the Eagles? You know, I don't, I don't want to come on here and, you know, tell you that they should be drafting somebody who's actually going to go top eight in the draft.

Because I, you know, that's always like the first question I ask myself. And then what you just did there, where you're explaining some of the potential reservations teams will have, that to me is like, oh, man, like this might be a value buy for the Eagles in the latter half of the second round because of some of those things. I mean, obviously they just drafted Jihad Campbell who had similar stuff in terms of medical concerns coming out of school, coming out of a big school at Alabama there. So he's definitely an interesting one. Do you think that it is unrealistic or do you think that there is a chance that he could make it there to 23 for the Eagles? Oh, it's absolutely realistic.

You know, one of the, so I had the consensus mock draft exercise that I posted earlier this week. It's up now on all p.hloi.com. And one of the thing, there are lots of different pieces of information that you can get from that piece. from that exercise. And, you know, I share a few of them. I did, I shared one on the newsletter that went out this morning. But one thing you can do is if you have a player like Proctor, and I haven't done this like for content, but you can do this,

is you can say, okay, like, I want to get a sense of his range in the first round. So you just go with her, you just do like a, you know, Command F, like, all right, we're just going to search Caden Proctor. The earliest he shows up in these mock drafts. And again, I canvass just the mock drafts from like the most notable draft analysts out there. Like, so it's a sample of 13 of basically everybody's like mock drafts. draft 1.0 from the end of the regular season until last week, first week of February. So you're talking Daniel, Jeremiah, Dane Brewer, mine, you go do you write down the list,

Mel Kuiper, everybody. And the earliest he shows up, two of the analysts had him at 14 to Baltimore. Then you had two, had him at 17 to Detroit. Then you go, one had him at 22 to the Chargers, two had him at 23 to the Eagles. So you kind of go down, you're like, all right, like, middle of the teens, into the latter stages of round one. I had in my in my newsletter today, I did a thing where it's like, okay, who are the guys that of those 13 mock drafts are like the lock first round? They appeared in every single mock. Then they appeared in most of them. Then they appeared in half of them. Then they appeared in less than

half. Caden Proctor appeared in. Let me just go in. It was every, he was so it was in every single mock. So everyone says like, okay, he is a first round pick. And it happens. He goes off as early as pick 14 and between 14 and 32 he's off the board. Yeah, that Ravens scenario is one. I always feel like Eagles and Ravens, you know, anytime they're around each other, they're going to be fishing in the same pond there. I quit really quick. I wanted to ask you also about Max I honichore. I hope I got that right. You're pretty much there. They got me. Yeah, the draft guy gets me right on these things. Arizona State offensive tackle. He was a one and a half year starter at Arizona State, senior ball standout. I know we've talked about him on, on the show before.

for another big guy like 6-5, 325. And I know that, again, you've been bullish on him in the early draft process here from the All-Star Games. So I know, like, again, reading your scouting report here, great athlete, easy, efficient, explosive traits show up consistently on film, able to govern his speed and accelerate into blocks never on the ground. Do you feel like he is a variance play that made more sense pre, you know, Jeff Stalind's departure? Do you still think he makes a lot of sense for the Eagles, especially because it seems like, at least now, He is like within the Eagles range, maybe a little bit more realistically. Yeah, I think that, you know, he's only, I think he showed up in two of the 13 mock drafts. My guess is, is that when I do the next version of this exercise in March,

so I'll do it again in like, you know, mid to late March, he will appear in more, like at a higher percentage of mock drafts because my guess is he's going to combine. And if he does testing, he's going to test really, really well at that size. And then now you're building momentum off of what was everyone perceived to be a really good senior bowl week. week. I'd be in that camp. I thought he had a good week down there. You pair that with, all right, well, he's a junior college transfer who's only been playing football for four years, didn't play in high school, never played before junior college. So it's like, all right, like Arrow is pointing up. And he, you know, you got better as the senior season went on. He went to the senior bowl. It was good. Went to the combine. It was good.

Like, we're talking like stock up at that position. So my guess is, yeah, he's going to be right in that range. Now, 23 might be on the earlier end of that range, if I had to guess. But again, like, those guys with those traits at that position tend to go. Yeah, that new to football thing is another thing that the Eagles have coveted in the past with success and failure. So definitely want to watch. All right, we're going to take our first break here.

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actually secondary coach. You know, I, that's, so let's go through the background and then we'll talk about some of the machinations of that defensive staff. But he was most recently the Bills Nichols coach. He spent last year last season on the Buffalo staff. Before that, he was the Patriots cornerbacks coach from 2019 to 2024. You know, obviously some good cornerbacks that came through that room during that time. Christian Gonzalez and Stefan Gilmore, to name a few. He has a background in the cross. He played lacrosse at Johns Hopkins.

You mentioned before the show. Now, where was he drafted in the, the, what is it? He was a second round pick. Yeah, he was a second round pick in the like, you know, the national lacrosse draft. You know, I don't have that in a draft guide, unfortunately. but it's it's you know we don't have to like think too hard about how he ended up into England because he's a lacrosse player at Johns Hopkins. You know, he might as well be.

I'm sure Bill Belichick had him on speed dial when he first got there. So now he ended up trying to get into coaching. I learned I guess he was into football. But yeah, I mean, he coached for Sean McDermott. That defense outperformed, I would say, their talent level last year. So he's learned under some good, under some good defensive mind, certainly. Yeah, my guess based off his experience. and based off what the Eagles already have on staff is that Joe Casper will be the past game coordinator and the defensive backs coach, which is a little bit of a departure from what Christian Parker's title was. But I think the past game coordinator title is really what matters there. And then I think that Roy Anderson will stay as the cornerbacks coach. But because he already has that title, my guess is Pellegrino works with the corners, but is again, the secondary coach might be his title there. So again, it's mostly like, you know, title like, you know, whatever. It's it's kind of window dressing. But. But.

But yeah, I think that he'll have a hand in developing the quarterbacks, which is important because, you know, that was a big thing. That was a big part of Christian Parker's role with the organization. So, you know, Joe Casper kind of takes some of the administrative stuff, but, you know, hands-on work. I'd still imagine that Joe Casper's with the safeties and that Pellegrino kind of fills that void in the quarterback. So definitely an interesting hire, you know, it seems like, again, it seems like he was well thought of before this stop here.

So if, you know, we go to training camp, obviously, you know, mini camps in the spring, but we go to training camp and they split off corners and safeties. You think Joe Casper is working with the safety group. Is Roy leading the cornerback drills, or do you think, you know, Seltzerwater, Pellegrino is leading it? I think Seltzer Water Pellegrino is probably the one leading. I mean, secondary coach is slightly higher than cornerbacks coach, I would imagine the pecking

order. So, but that'll be something to watch for sure. And I do. I think Casper will stick with the safeties. I think it's, I mean, that's where most of his experience. has been even with Miami when he went when he filed Vic down there. So yeah, definitely wanted to keep an eye on there. And then, yeah, I wanted to talk to you, Fran, about a clip that I saw watching a Cousin's show this morning.

So Anthony had on Mike Garifolo, and they talked about the possibility of a Max Crosby train. I think we have the clip. We're going to play it for you guys now. Which chances do you think the Eagles are a destination? Big time. Big time. If this thing opens up, if this thing opens up, And everybody's a player.

I mean, listen, they tried to trade for Michael Parsons in the division, right? Why would they not trade for, or let me rephrase, why wouldn't they then be considered a strong contender for a team that would be like, yeah, get them out of the conference. Right. Get them out of the team. And I would certainly put the Eagles top three, five, whatever for Max Crosby, if and when this thing opens up.

And I do believe it's going to open up. Yeah. So it's interesting to me. It kind of surprised me. I think, well, I guess I shouldn't say it surprised me because covering the Eagles as long as I have, whenever there is a premier player that is, you know, expected to hit the trade market, it's almost, it can, and Mike's reporting is solid. I'm not trying to say that it's, yeah, he is, I mean, if he's saying it,

he definitely has a great handle on these things, but they are always the team that is sniffing around, like top players when they hit the trade market. I'm sure that the Eagles will, you know, figure out what the price is for Max Crosby. I would still be surprised if the move actually happened, both from a financial standpoint and a resource management standpoint. But it is an interesting thing to consider. Like, you know, I know, again, like the Michael Parsons interest earlier in the season, the fact that they traded for Jalen Phillips midseason. To me, it's probably too expensive for the Eagles to get really serious in a bidding war for Max Crosby. But again, I'm sure that they will investigate to figure out what the price is and if they can stomach that price.

Yeah, I mean, look, we went through an exercise earlier this week where it was the inverse, right? We're talking to the going through the role-playing exercise of the Eagles trading some of their own players away. And there's a couple of things about that, right? Number one, just like Howie Roseby and the Eagles are going to explore every trade opportunity with other teams. You also are going to have those same internal conversations about your own players. And sometimes it's like we played that up. I was trying to explain to somebody on social media. We played that up.

That's like a terrible experience. official meeting. What's that? It sounds like a terrible experience. I was trying to explain. Oh, it was a futile. Yeah, right. I mean, dumb on my part. But, yeah, like, we played that up. We dramatized it from a, like, oh, we're going to have this big meeting and have this conversation. Yeah, like, sometimes those kind of conversations might happen in that setting. But other times it might just be two people, like, you know, it starts as a conversation, like walking back from lunch. And then it's like, hey, let's keep talking about this in the office. Or it's like walking out to the cars at night. like, hey, like, let's think about this and let's check back in tomorrow, like that kind of day. But you always have those kinds of conversations.

And some of them, it's like, we didn't talk about the other day because his contract is basically like, you're not touching that. It just got done 10 months ago, right? And so there are some where it's like, yeah, you're barking up the wrong tree. And then there's others where it's like, yeah, that's tough. But like, what would the value be? So looking at, bring this back to Max Crosby, in that episode, we talked about like, by letting Dallas Goddard go where it looks like Dallas Goddard's, you know, I felt the most

strong about it based off yesterday show, but if Dallas Goddard is not going to be here next year, that number, that's a lot of dead cap they are taking on because of all the void years on his contract. If you trade AJ Brown this spring, which that is absolutely within the realm of possibility, that is more dead money that you're taking on. They do have wiggle room and they are accustomed to taking on that dead cap, but it doesn't give you a ton to be like, oh yeah, like let's go trade for Max Crosby also while we're going to extend Quignan Mitchell and you know all the other guys that are going to happen in the next like you know 15 months so um it's my guess is it would not happen I wouldn't I wouldn't say like I completely rule it out but like they also just gave up a

pick a third round picks for Jalen Phillips like if you're so you're letting him go I would have you're not bringing him back if you're going to trade for Crosby so that's you add that is like that's that's a lot of assets to give up for veteran defensive players when you're kind of like turning it over there, it's tough. Yeah, just for context here, Max Crosby has $30 million guaranteed next season. I signed a deal a couple of years ago with the Raiders. I think he's restructured that deal a couple of times for a few extensions as well. You know, I wanted to address like the argument, well, they were in for Michael Parsons,

so why wouldn't they do this? A, what you just said about the fact that they had already, that was before they spent a pick, a premium pick, to get Jalen Phillips for half a season. And the other part of that is I don't think we should view Michael Parsons and Max Crosby as quite the same type of opportunity on the market here. I mean, Michael Parsons is a lot younger. And, you know, I think they're both, obviously, elite edge rushers, you know, probably top five. Great part. Right.

But just like I feel like Micah like hit that, that, he reaches the barrier where it's like, if you can ever get a player like that in a trade, you have to investigate it. I would say because Max Crosby is a little bit older, I would probably not feel quite that strongly about him in that, in that tier of player compared to somebody like Micah. And not only is he like a little bit older, he also like plays, what is it, like 95% snaps every single season. Like he never comes off the field.

So he's like, his body is even a little bit worn down that even what his age would tell you as well. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, we had the conversation during that exercise, not saying that we were, you know, advocating for it, but we talked through, like, would a Jalen Carter trade make sense? If you had told me, like, you could trade Jalen Carter straight up

for Michael Parsons, I don't think that's actually a deal you could do. Jalen Carter and a first for Michael Parsons, yeah, I would talk, I think that that is a reasonable thing that you could talk yourself into there. Jalen Carter for Max Crosby, straight up, I feel a little bit less, I feel less confident about that one. So I think that that subtle distinction there is important to keep in mind in addition to what you said about the fact that they've already spent a premium pick in exchange for Jalen Phillips. And I just, they're a little bit closer now even to this defense getting really expensive. It's, it's a risky thing. You know, I think it would have to be the type of deal where Max Crosby really wants to come here. And, you know, the price therefore isn't

as prohibitive as we'd expect it to be. I want to ask you really quick, friend, about this like team building philosophy. It does seem like maybe it's just, right now, recency bias, like with Miles Garrett and Max Crosby, it does seem like teams are struggling more to, like, build it around,

like a high-priced rusher than in the past where it usually feels like you kind of need one of those guys to be a contender. I think that, I mean, the albatross around Cleveland's deck

isn't the big number for Miles Garrett. It's the big number on Deshaunne that they couldn't move. And that continues to be the case. Like, they're talking like he could be the starter this year in Cleveland.

So I mean, yeah, yeah, I think to me, and the Raiders had all kinds of issues. Sure. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Yeah. Steelers, but Steelers have been able to manage that a lot better. Yeah. So, no, it just like for once, it's like, man, like usually if you have one of those guys,

you feel like you'd be a contender every year. But you're right. There's definitely other, other context there. All right. We're going to throw it to our next break. And then we are going to talk consensus mock drafts. We're going to talk about some of the players most often projected to go to the Eagles early in the draft process.

And I'll be honest, there are some surprising names on this one for me, Fran. I'm excited to talk through it. But we also, we've also got a special message from Bo. You know, Bo's missing today.

Obviously, he's taking some time off, so much deserved time off. But yeah, you're still going to hear his voice. Let's just put it that way. So you'll, you have to stay tuned to figure out

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I will hunt you down. I adore you. Can I interest you in three Johnsons? Call me a soldier. Because I'll ride that tank anytime. There's a lot to love about you. Will you be my man? You are the McKee to my heart.

You make me smile. Hey, come on over here. I'll give you more O's. You pierced my heart. And if you like it, then you should have put a ringgo on it. Let's tie the knot. Bonds of steel.

Turn on the lampkin and show me your willie. Ship me out of town. Why'd you keep A.J. Dillon? Let's play gay ball. I mean, I understood I would say like 94% of them. The more owes, I don't know if I want to know.

Oh, come on. I mean, I'm not going to explain it. Yeah, please don't. But yeah, I'm glad that we had Bo's presence on the show. And, you know, yeah, Mark in Valentine's Day. Some of us, me, we don't do Valentine's Day on Valentine's Day. You know, it's too hard to get a reservation crowd. We went out last night.

We had a Valentine's Day dinner. I did a couple things. You know, I had, I can't, I'm not going to be vague. I scheduled a massage for my wife while I was at work to, you know, try and show her that I appreciate her. You know, so shout out to my wife first and foremost. But yeah, you know, Valentine's Day, I feel like you got to figure, you got to have Valentine's Day every day so that when you have Valentine's Day, you can, you can just stay at home. Have a nice, have a nice day in. Well, wait.

So you guys did dinner last night. We did dinner last night. Yeah. So I have to ask. Was that before or after you guys took care of your new desk? Yeah. So the eagle eyed among you may realize I needed to get to this on the show. So I appreciated it.

The eagle eyeed among you may have realized that I did the ads and I looked like a giant. I looked taller than my bookshelf. And it is because I have a standing desk now. And the only reason I have, yeah, it is, well, it was a free standing desk, although it did come at some personal cost. It's what I would say. Your bride. Yeah. Yes.

Um, so, uh, the, the, the bottom line is that the standing desk being here is really a testament to the familial nature of the pH. Oh, I staff. Um, because, uh, it was somebody in our building was giving it away, uh, the pH. OI building. Um, and Jamie said, I could take it home. I'm like, that's amazing. Shout out to Jamie for that. And then you and Bo helped me take it down to my truck and we put it in the truck and we realized there's no way this thing is fitting in the truck. I thought I had straps, like, you know, ratchet straps to secure it. I didn't bring them. And I had to put my tail between my legs and tell you guys, I think we're going to have to take this thing back upstairs. And then the next day, like, let the record show that when we were upstairs before we brought it down,

I was like, hey, like, do you want to measure it? Do you want to do this? Do you want to do that? And you're like, nah, like, it looks right. What about me would make you think? I'd be like, yeah, let's measure it. So we get it down there, doesn't fit. We have to take it back upstairs.

I come back the next day. I've got ratchet straps. That was really all I brought. I didn't have anything else. I wanted to bring a drill. And we get this thing. Here's what I would say. It looked terrible.

Like it was just going to fly right out of the bed of my pickup truck because we had to lay the tailgate down to get it to fit. But credit to your ratchet strapping ability and your not tying ability. It didn't move at all on the way home. It was very safe. I was even on Kelly Drive. And I'm sitting here driving like,

terrified staring at the whole time, doesn't move the whole time on the way home. And yeah, when I get home, I was like, you're either going to like look at like look at the secured, like how it's secured and you're going to go, oh, I don't know why you were ever worried about that. Or be like, I can't believe you made it home like with this thing still in the bed at your truck. And it was a ladder. She was shocked. And the part of the story you don't know, Fran is I pulled in our parking lot get kind of tight as you know. And I pulled into a spot because there was a spot open behind. me. But by the time I actually came in,

I went up to grab my stuff, we had a meeting, I come back down. The parking lot had really, like, gotten congested. So the spot behind me wasn't open. The only reason I got out of the parking lot is because Devon was kind enough to, like, give me, like, you know,

keep coming, keep coming. You got this much, you got this much. Devon. He did not expect anything less from Devon. He is like the glue guy of all glue guy. Like, he is like, when you were at your worst, you needed Devon in your life. really just shout out to the entire PHOI staff. If it weren't for all

of you guys, I don't think I would be using this desk and I wouldn't look like giant in front of my bookshelf. So credit to all of you. I want to get into the consensus mock draft, but I mean, after listening to Bo's clip, I feel like I got to ask you about a freak, Fran. Speaking of freaks.

So, we're going to talk about Kenyon Sadiq. Didn't know where you were going there. he is a player that I hear a lot of Eagles fans talking about and for good reason when you watch his tape it's unbelievable this guy is I mean he's 6 3 245 pounds he moves unbelievable for that size and I would say like if you are hoping that the Eagles can find a dynamic tight end this off season he is high up he is high on the list of potential fits if he can make it to the Eagles in the latter latter half of that first round so I want to

to hear your thoughts on him as a prospect and then also how unrealistic is it for those Eagles fans who are dreaming of Kenyon Sadeek being the successor to Dallas Goddard? You know, I don't think that he is a one-for-one replacement for peak Dallas Goddard. Like when we think of Dallas, you know, at the peak of his powers, he is not like the same archetype of player because he's a little bit smaller. He's, you know, 6-3. We'll get the official measurements in a week and a half. but when you're looking at Sadiq, he is, you know, one of the things that I wrote out,

he's like he's built like the Aaron Hernandez. I think the way I have it on the draft guide is like he's a souped up Isaiah likely. Like he's shorter, dynamic, freaky athlete. Like that, there's no question about that. Now when we hear that, we often pair that with, yeah, but he's not like a great blocker. He is an awesome blocker. The thing is, is that at that size, he is not the, a like awesome blocker that like Jackson Hawes or peak Dallas Goddard is where you're going to

put him at the next to the tackle and he's going to block a defensive end one on one time after time again. That's not the way you're using him. But if you are going to use him the way that like the Eagles used Grand Calcuttaire last year where it's like oh like the movement blocks like coming across the formation he's going to block a linebacker in the hole like he is awesome at that. He is so, so good. Like clip just go you literally go into the draft guide and you go through especially from like the fall like middle parts of the fall and it felt like every week i was just adding clips into that end of the draft guide into that page of the draft guide of people including me just like going like go go go gaga over him as a blocker out in space second level third level it's uh he's awesome it's funny

you say that friend because that's exactly what i did last night so i this is another shout out to the draft guide here because i don't know where you've come down on like youtube highlight scouting um But, you know, if I like, want to get a good, just a general idea of what a player looks like. The first place I'll go is like four minutes to see like, all right, what were their best plays last year? Try to download a season worth of, you know, highlights into a very short amount of time. But yeah, I'm not going to come on the show and tell you that I've, you know, I've done the homework on this guy. The draft guide lets you like, you can pull up the film clips that are shared on social media throughout the year. So, no, I did watch tape on this guy blocking it.

And I was like, yeah, no, he looks pretty good in this. in this role. I think you're right. He's smaller. But if you can get him, you know, have in advantageous situations, he can definitely hold the point of attack. Zach Kurtz was in every down tight end for the Eagles for years. Yeah. He is a better blocker than Zach Hertz, right? But he's just a different kind of blocker than Dallas Goddard. So you would still have to get creative with his usage and things like that. You know, I see a lot of my drafts have him falling into the late teens, into the 20s. I just find it hard to believe. personally. I was going to say how many turkeys are you putting on that? I would be surprised,

and especially like what we've seen the last couple years, like where, you know, Colston Loveland goes in the top 10, Tyler Warren goes 14. Dynamic than both those guys, athletically. I think he's a better blocker than Colston Loveland right now. So when I'm looking, I'm like, I find it hard to believe that he would go, especially in this draft where you don't have like that wealth of blue chip talent at the very top. And so to me, I would find it hard to believe that Sadiq would fall that far. But, I mean, I guess crazier things have happened. And I also don't view him as like, you know,

I don't think the Eagles are in position to be like giving up picks to move up to take a tight end either. Sure, yeah. It's also a really good tight end class. And that's part of the calculus there as well. The thing is is that, you know, last year, I mentioned there were two tight ends that went the top 15. There were three that went in the top 40, right?

Because the LSU kid went to the Jets in the early part of the second round. I don't think that many are going to go that high, but if I had to guess, it's going to be like, you know, this is the most tight ends drafted in X amount of years. Like, it's going to be one of those.

There are a lot of tight ends that get taken from round three to six that profile is like a tight end two, tight end three. So to me, like the eagle can fill out the room with this one. I don't know that you can go into the draft, not knowing who your starter is, though. That would be my feeling on it.

Okay. That is a good content. I'll save most of the tight-end stuff for when we do the position breakdowns a little in a little while here. Let's really quick look through some of I've got one quick point with the consensus mock drafts. So let's really quick look through some of the players that are most projected to the Eagles. But alluded to this yesterday, I was very surprised that that two cornerbacks. Yeah. Took up five of the top.

I mean, it was Avion Terrell. And then Colton Hood from Tennessee, five of the five of the spots are at the cornerback position. I think that is the type of thing, especially like with some of the guys who do a lot of reporting to add to their mock drafts. I think as time goes on, you'll probably see much fewer cornerbacks being projected to the Eagles. Some of the alignment on this list, some of the edge rushers make a lot more sense. But just from a team building perspective, it's hard to imagine the Eagles going corner that early in the draft with all the needs they have on offense. Yeah, I mean, you know, we've talked about it. I imagine that it will change as we

we go through the combine, because here's what happens. Go to the combine and a little inside baseball, a lot of media types catch up with a lot of league personnel types. And you start talking about positions with teams and what makes sense. And then also, we're going to see free agency happen. And you're going to see those things start to kind of circulate. And that's where the word of mouth information starts passing from one person or the next. I think it will turn.

And then obviously, like, if there is an AJ Brown trade, then all of a sudden now wide receiver will be the number one target for the Eagles in mock drafts. And for the Eagles in mock draft. So, yeah, I would imagine that we're going to see this turned. Yeah. I was curious, like, as you went through the exercise, I know you sort of, you alluded to earlier in the show, like the process that goes into this for you. I guess what stands out at, like, what do you take away from the exercise? How would you say, like, this type of stuff informs the way. the way that you evaluate the draft.

Yeah, I think that, you know, the way that I look at mock drafts is that it is a predictive exercise, right? Like, it is like, all right, we're trying, like, some people do mock draft, and they'll say like, oh, here's my mock draft 1.0. This is what I would do if I were all 32 GMs. Me personally, like, as a fan, as a, like, when I, you know,

I don't give a crap what so-and-so do. I want to, you know, like, what do you think's going to happen? Like, how is this going to play out? You know, so I look at it as a predictive thing. So when I look at mocks and I look at this kind of exercise, like, okay, like how do, what do people think is going to happen here? And like I said, there are other pieces that it can be instructive in a lot of other ways as well where, you know, maybe it's the range of a specific player. Maybe it's, hey, this position is what a lot of people feel like this individual team is going to address. Maybe the player is not right for a lot of them, but the, you know, we think it's going to be a secondary.

it's going to be a DB or it's going to be an offensive lineman or it's going to be a playmaker on offense. So you just kind of get that the wisdom of the crowd's idea. And I think that there's something to be said for that. And honestly, this all comes from the idea in conversations I've had with people about the exercises the teams go through every spring. And it's usually why you get it's like late March into April where it's they have all the modeling and all their mock draft projections. And it's like, oh yeah, we can run. We can push a button and run 200 versions of a mock draft. A lot of it is built off of this kind of idea.

There's a lot of other data points that go into it. But pulling in mock drafts from like the notable, you know, notable analysts is a big part of it as well. Yeah, I think a lot of fans would find that surprising, right? Yeah, believe it or not. Yes, exactly right. I mean, I guess the aggregate of all the mock drafts can oftentimes be a helpful tool. What is, what is, when it comes to building out your big board, though,

I know this was a topic in the newsletter today. How would you describe the process of going about doing that? You know, because I don't know if people know this. You know, if you're not a diehard, like I said, you should become a diehard. But your big board always jumps out to me because you're really not trying to go for consensus. You're trying to, you know, really rely on your own film study, which I respect. You know, it's like you've stuck your neck out for a lot of players over the last few years. And honestly, I'll say it.

You're usually right when you do stick your neck out for these guys. You know, I don't want to say I'm usually right. But there because here's the way I look at it. if I'm going to be wrong, I want to be wrong because I'm wrong, right? Like, I don't want to be wrong because, you know, it's like, oh, like, I really liked this guy, but not everybody else liked him. So I'm just going to keep him low. And then he turns right.

And then he ends up being good. I'm like, oh, like, why didn't I do that? That's the worst feeling. So to me, the way that I go about my big board, I'm not going to go through like the entire process. If you want, I was as detailed as it could possibly get about this whole thing in the newsletter. So if you go check out, like, social media, but just go.

go search for like the all NFL draft newsletter. Search my name on it and you'll find a subscription link. I put it out on all forms of social media as well over the last few days. So you can go and subscribe to the newsletter. It's a free email. You do not need to be a die hard to get acts to this one. And it's just anything I've got from an NFL draft standpoint. And today's email went through like step by step.

All right. I'm watching a player for the first time. Doing a guy for the first time. What is my process? Step one, step two, step three. And in part of that was putting it, where does a guy get slops? on a big board. And a lot of it does have to do with positional value. And we talked about, like, I've been referencing this pro board for the last couple of shows, because we'll talk about

as we're talking about free agency, like, oh, like how many tight ends make X amount? All right, I can quickly pull that number because I've got that all in my spreadsheet and I've got that all on the board. And so that does inform a lot of my ability to slot a guy on a board from a, from a college standpoint, a draft projection standpoint, because to me, like the NFL is telling us what the value should be, right? Like, that's, that's the best way they can do it is with their checkbook. And so I think that that's informative. Yeah, absolutely.

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No need to overthink breakfast. Just grab, go, and get on with your day. Gotta have a wawa. It's good to see Bo, you know, on the show. Make sure he has a little bit of a presence there. We heard it once. Yeah, but it was good to see the face. He's probably living it up.

You think he's watching the show? I mean, zero chance. You will never hear this conversation. So maybe we should say like really mean things about him so we can get a I mean, I don't have anything mean to say about Bo is the problem. No, we love Bo. We love Bo. I have a couple of more questions.

But first let's start with Super Chat from Zach Perkins, 2185. Fran, if you are Howie, who is your dream pick at number 23? Is it somebody we've talked about? Is it somebody maybe we haven't discussed? Who do you think Hallie Roseman is when he's about to go to sleep? He's just thinking, man, if that guy can make it to 23, you know, it'd make me feel a lot better about this offseason. I mean, Sadiq is probably, you know, that would be,

if you could know for sure that you'd have a shot at Sadiq on draft weekend, I think I would make things easier for them in the offseason just because you're turning over that entire tight end room, like we said. I think when you look at the past catchers, Carl Tate is definitely not going to be there from Ohio State. Jordan Tyson probably not going to be there based off of what people are saying right now. That's tough, man. It's a weird draft because since there's a lack of the blue chip talent at the very top,

the various combinations of how it's honestly, it's like yes, it's like our exercise yesterday where I'm like, Yeah, like anyone from four to 26, like mix it all up and it could be in any order, that's kind of how this draft is going to go. We'll get more clarity as we go. And there's going to be guys. We're like, oh, like we're starting to hear that this guy's going to go top 10. This guy's going to go top 15.

And it's unlikely this guy will fall. But I do think that there's a lot of ambiguity this year that we typically are not accustomed to. Yeah, that answers one of the questions I had for you too, because, you know, sometimes you'll hear how we talk about, oh, there's only so many players that we had first round grades on. move and you know, then you start to wonder if they move up to make sure they get one of those guys. Maybe this isn't one of those years where you're moving up to make sure you get a first round talent. I don't think so.

And, you know, I think the other one, it's the idea of like trading future picks. Like, you know, you're not doing that this year because you want to keep as many picks as you can for next year, next year for the record. Like it looks like it's going to be a really good draft, like not just like quarterbacks, but also, you know, you look at pass rushers and receivers and corners. It looks like it looks to be a very, very special group. So that will be a lot of fun next year for the very top of the draft. I will say, though, like even like this year, like, you know, I did the Combine article that went out earlier this week.

You don't need to be a diehard to get access to that one. You go and read it my takeaways in terms of like position by position, like, you know, what the group looks like. And there are fewer players going to the Combine this year. And at some positions, it's like severe. This is the fewest number of running backs in the last 20 years going to the conference. combine. The cornerback depth this year is not good when you get to let, you know, we'll say like round five, round six, like it really falls off. So it's a weird year. It's a weird year for the draft, certainly. Gotcha. Gotcha. Another super chat from CDP. Fran was right about Shamar Stewart.

Sorry, Dane. Dane and I had it had a, not had it out, but we, we had a good debate last year on one of the shows. It might have been on an athletic football show about, about Shamar Stewart. Yeah, I mean, just go off the face. film for me. I mean, for everybody, but, you know, that's why that's why the draft is great. The projection business is great because, you know, there have been playing at times where I go where I feel a certain way about a player and I'm the one that's wrong. So it's, it happens.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, you are our favorite draft analyst. It's also one year. So, you know, I won't, I'm not like taking a victory lap on that. I respect it. We'll take the victory lap forward you, okay? I also wanted to ask you, just generally, like, when you went through the consensus mock, exercise. Did anything surprise you in terms of kind of where people are on some of these prospects?

I would say, let me just go through the one note because there are in the newsletter today, the email that went out. I did the thing where I'm like, okay, like who were the ones that went in every single mock that went most mocks? There were some, I'm like, oh, like, I'm surprised. There were two players that I was shocked went in every single mock. Sorry, there were two players that went in almost every single mock that I was a little surprised by. Georgia linebacked C.J. Allen, Ohio State, nose tackle, Caden MacDonald. I'm not really going to get, I don't need to, like, go super deep here just because I don't think it's applicable overall. The Eagles fans, they're not taking a nose tackle or a linebacker

in the first round. But I don't know if I necessarily see either as a first round talent. There are a few guys. I'll tell you what, like this is one, I could never see the Eagles making this pick, but I do think that like there are other teams around them. The Dallas Cowboys could select this player. Akeem Mesedor, the pass rusher from Miami. turns 25 before the draft, a tree of foot injuries. He was awesome this year for Miami. Super fun player,

like technically refined. There is something to say for the fact that he was like 24 and was dominating this year. Now, he was productive early in his career. It's not like he didn't do anything and then was productive this year. But it's just,

that's a tough bet to make. And people are like, oh, he's definitely a first rounder. Like, I would not say that he is definitely a first rounder with that profile. But, yeah, We'll see. Yeah, the cautionary tale of the old, as Bo Wolf would put it if he were here.

Yes. The other thing I wanted to talk about is, you know, ESPN's Jeremy Fowler reported that, you know, he wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles draft a quarterback on day two of the draft. You know, as partly a reflection on Jalen Hertz or partly a reflection on, honestly, the way the Eagles organization has operated for the better part of a decade at this point, prioritizing that position. Is it, before we talk about the merits of doing that, is it, a good year for the day to backup quarterback.

Honestly, the Jalen Hertz type of prospect. I think that it depends on the player, but I think that there are a couple of like second, third, fourth round types that would make some sense. It would just depend on situation. Like this guy falls to you and it's like, oh, like too good to pass up. Like if Garrett Nussmeyer fell to you at the end of the second round,

and if they have the same grade, on him that I have. Like he's a top 30 player for me where I'm like, yeah, like he could be a, I still am opening the door or keeping the door open for him being like a solid NFL starter. Yeah. And if that's the case, like that guy goes top 10, he goes top five.

Obviously with his injury this year and the worries about like the knee long term and things like that, that's what's going to cause him to fall. I still think he'll end up on day two. And so if the Eagles are sitting there at the end of the second round, it's like, yeah, this is our grade on this player. If it's similar to the one that I've got, then yeah, Like that's that's too good to pass up. The thing is is that that I would imagine would also go with the Tanner McKee trade, right?

Like that's, I don't know that. Yeah. Yes, exactly. So I think you would have to do both. Yeah. No, I mean, do you really think Nussmeyer are making it all the way to the end of the second? I think he could. Yeah.

I think he could. He's only been a two-year starter. And, you know, he's throwing a lot of picks. The knee is like viewed as like a potential like, chronic thing like chronic like tendonitis in his one knee that he was like had to like manage through practice and stuff like that and depending on like the truth and severity of that which we'll find you know the teams will find out of the combine that absolutely could could dictate whether he makes it that far. I wonder if the saints would be like clamoring for him. You know, Doug Doug Nussmeyer

trying to get a son. I mean he would make a lot of sense and the only thing I want to say about that is I know because I've seen the discourse from Eagles fans about like how dare they draft a quarterback. You know, why would they do this? It is the exact process that got them Jalen Hertz. It is an organizational philosophy that has actually proven to be correct, you know, that the backup quarterback position is a valuable one. It is one that,

you know, they should like, again, like the Tanner McKee example is the template that you follow where you want to have a backup quarterback on a rookie contract that is ready to start important games if you need them to. So for that reason, it wouldn't surprise me if they did it.

I mean, just like, I mean, even less so than when it was Jalen Hertz, you know, coming in as a backup quarterback behind Carson Wentz. I'm not sure it's a direct reflection of the way that Jalen played. I think it is just, again, and the nature of the way that this organization views backup quarterback and the value that you can find if you can keep that player on a rookie contract. So it wouldn't surprise me. And I don't think that Jalen Hertz would need to have some big reaction in reflection to that. So that's what I would say about it.

Yeah, I mean, Jalen is a different, has done more than what Carson Wentz did, certainly to that point. Like, you know, Super Bowl MVP, you know, playing to the level that he's played. But, you know, in terms of like durability and Tanner McKee's going into a contract year, so you need to replenish that spot. And so if you have a guy that you believe, like has that kind of value, yeah, like, you're going to take that stab. Now, they took Tanner McKee, what was the fifth round?

So it's not the same. But to me, like, If the value's right, you take that player. Yeah. And with that, we are going to Lindsay time. I got to be honest. I thought about throwing out my first EJ time there, but I'm going to save it.

I'm going to save it for when I feel like I earned it, you know? What I have noticed over the course of the last few days is that you kind of poo-poohed the value of a Friday show. You were like, oh, it's a Friday afternoon show, like in the off-season. So I think you're like, oh, well, I'm just going to use a Lindsay time here. Like, I'm not going to wait a time. I'm not going to waste the first DJ time. We're not doing that.

I'm not going to waste the first DJ time for a Friday. Like maybe next week. No, that's not. That's not what this is at all. It's Lindsay time because I appreciate Lindsay. You know, she does a lot for the show. She gave me some like good encouragement yesterday because I think I freaked her out. I did a like I filled out all the stuff for the show last night.

You know, I had my desk. I was having a good time. I was like, let me just get this out of the way. So I don't have to, I don't have to think about it. Like when I, when I, when I, you know, when how I, you know, when how I Rosen's laying his head on the pillow thinking about if Kenyon Sadek's going to make it to 23. I'm usually like laying my head on the pillow like, what are we going to talk about tomorrow? And what's the, what's the right SEO combination for that?

So I was like, let me just get out of the way. But Lindsay gave me some encouragement and I appreciated that. So yeah, shout out to Lindsay. Shout out to Lindsay. Hopefully there's no power rankings today though, because I don't know. I feel like the power rankings. I feel like both still going to come out on top on those. It's by the week, right?

Lindsay, so it's not like by the day? I'm not sure. Is it by the day or is it? I've never won, so I wouldn't know. What did you eat last night? We went to a place in town called the Social. It's one of our favorite spots. They have this truffle cheese.

It's like a, it's kind of like a gourmet American type place. And they have like a truffle cheesecake. They make gumbo that's really good. So it's a type of. a place you want to get like a good appetizer and then only eat half of your entree and then save the other half for for dinner the next night so that's what we did um yeah we had a good time and i mean we did we got back and it's like all right let's put on some comfortable clothes and get this desk inside so you did that you did do the desk afterwards guys um it was like like a four out of 10

pain to get it in um but it wasn't as bad as driving at home i mean i could tell you because like i don't being that guy, let me just say for the record, like, I don't like being the guy who has like the dodgily secured thing in the back of the truck. You know, like, that's, that's not who I want to be as a person. I will say, if that's the case, then you probably could have prepared a little bit better to get yourself ready for the situation. That is fair. That is very fair. And like, when the GPS is taking me on Kelly Drive, I'm like, please, no. I didn't tell you to stay on the highway, like, stay on the highway where you're going to be in track. and you're going to be in bumper to bumper and then you'll be fine.

The one time I just wanted to get right on 76. But no, I mean, again, it worked out fine. It didn't move once. Like, I don't know. So again, testament to you. So I don't know if you want to share your Valentine's Day. It plans here, but I would love to hear it. We thought about, I found it like babysitter and everything.

And we thought about going to go out. But I think we're just going to, we're going to, the three of us are going to lay low. We'll hang out. We're going to a movie tonight. So the three of us, we're going to go, we're seeing. I actually, they're like insinuating that or insisting that I've seen the preview for this movie. It's like goats letter like the one that's like playing basketball. Hold on. Goat movie. It's literally called goat, I think.

Goat. Yeah, there you go. Oh, they got the they got the kid from stranger things. Yeah, I have not seen the yeah, I have not seen the previews for this. But so yes, we're seeing that tonight. So the third is going to go see that tonight. And I see Lindsay just said that she wants to say it and that it looks so good. I don't think I've seen a preview or commercial for it. But so we're seeing that tonight.

We got kind of a busy day tomorrow. Francis has basketball in the morning, like stuff like that. And then we'll hang out. We're going to do something in the afternoon. There you go. There you go. Yeah, we're just going to do like at home. I think I'm going to go get like a nice cut of steak.

You know, I'm going to go get like, I'm thinking like Picagna again. I mean, anytime you can make one of those, I take a take of the opportunity. So it should be fun. So yeah. Anyway, any other draft takes you want to get off your chest frame? No, just every. everybody go check out the obviously the draft guide

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I did an episode last week or this past week with Jordan Reed from ESPN I'll be back next week starting to bring a combine preview and you know everything I'm expected to see out in Indianapolis all my stuff is set dinner reservations for the first couple nights all that stuff is kind of ironed out um so yeah i'm excited to get out to indy love that yeah now i'm excited to excited to i hope i'm i hope i'm a dinner dinner schedule there friend um you know maybe uh maybe when are you guys

leaving we leave yeah so maybe maybe it's saint almos are you do you are you are you in or out and i'm very much in okay good yeah very much in uh so yeah we'll we'll talk about it yeah we'll We'll coordinate. All right. That's going to do it for the P.H.O.I. Eagle Show. Thank you guys for watching. We will be back. I will be back on Monday with a couple of surprise guests.

Maybe an author. Maybe not on Monday, but maybe we've got some familiar faces coming early in the week next week. So, yeah, you'll be, you have to stay tuned to find out for me, for Fran. Is David Baker, David Baker, David Baker, Appreciator might be on on Tuesday. Okay. Well, yeah, we'll have to see. You'll have to see. So for me, for Fran, for Lindsay, we thank you guys for watching. And as always, we love you.