PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles-Niners Postgame Show: Offense lets team down again as season ENDS in disappointment

Episode Date: January 12, 2026

There will be no Super Bowl repeat in Philadelphia after a disappointing wildcard round loss to the San Francisco 49ers despite two interceptions by Quinyon Mitchell. Jalen Hurts and Kevin Patullo’s offense let the team down as it has all season long, failing to top 23 points and not converting on their opportunity to put together a game-winning drive. Unpack the end of the season with Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry, Jamie Lynch, Bo Wulf, Fran Duffy and EJ Smith. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the PHY Eagles postgame show. Live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley, the Eagles season is over. And it ended in an appropriate way. They lost this game pretty much the way that they played all season long. We're going to talk about all of it. And we're going to give you a chance to sound off on the things that you are angry about, the things that you are sad about, maybe somewhere underneath the things that you're hopeful about. But maybe not tonight.

We're going to hear from E.J. Smith live at the link after he talks to the players, in the postgame locker room. Fran Duffy is going to join us to break it all down from a film perspective. But we start with Vinnie Curry Super Bowl champion and Jamie Lynch. I'm Bowulf, by the way. We start with our initial takeaways,

presented by First Trust, the official bank of the Philadelphia Eagles. Vinny, I know it hurts. What's your big takeaway? We can't, we've been saying this all year, and it came back to Biders. You can't let good football teams stick around. Well, you got the chance to stick a fork in them. You got to stick a fork in them.

We, go ahead, Jamie. It's going to take a lot for me not to curse this postgame show, but I am absolutely disgusted with this offense. That's the most expensive offense in the entire NFL. You have elite skill position players all over the place, and you coached that game. Like, you thought 13 points was going to be good enough to win you a game. That was absolutely pathetic. Kevin Petulah, if I was the owner of the team, wouldn't last two hours

to remain as offensive coordinator of the Philadelphia Eagles. Changes needed because that can never happen again. That was cowardice football. That was scared football. That was unimaginative football. That was absolutely disgusting offensive performance

by your Philadelphia Eagles today. And I want to puke. I want to absolutely vomit on our set right now. That was disgusting. That might be go viral, at least, if you vomit. That's true. I haven't pulled the trigger in a while. Maybe I'm due for one.

Listen, I get the anger. To me, a loss like this is more sad. And you know the feeling at the end of a season, Vinnie, because you're coming off a Super Bowl, you get a chance to maybe give it a fighting shot to repeat. You have a Super Bowl caliber defense. and this team lost in exactly the same way we saw them play all season long. On that point, there's something kind of reassuring

that, like, you stop pretending that you can just flip a switch. All of the things that plagued them all season long, plagued them in this game. They scored six points in the second half, just like they've sucked in the second half all season long. The season ends on a final play that becomes the final play because they're too late getting to the line of scrimmage and they have to call a timeout, waste a timeout,

that ensures that they don't get the ball back. They are too insistent on running the ball all season long. How many times in this game did they run the ball on second and ten and drive you absolutely insane? And so, yes, I think change is coming. I think Jeffrey Lurie is going to be appropriately angry about the underperformance of the offense. But to me, this is like you had this Super Bowl caliber roster together

and you wasted away this opportunity. And who knows what comes next? because there is going to be change, maybe in the coaching staff, certainly in the locker room to some degree. And now you wonder, like, is this window when the Eagles were the best team in football for two seasons in a row,

is this window shut? And that is the moment that will follow Eagles fans forever about this team and how underperformed they were all season long on offense. It was really set up for us. You know, you win this game, you go to Chicago. We beat Chicago.

I was set up for it. bro. It's brutal. Well, that'll do it for the initial takeaways presented by First Trust Bank. Let's unpack that very final possession, guys. Oh, disgusting. Listen, the entire game, they are pounding their head into the concrete wall trying to run the ball. Finally, they move the ball because they have to throw the ball. They get it into the shadow of the red zone. And again, probably something that's kind of apropos that the season ends just on the shadow of the red zone, because if they're in the red zone, they're good. if they're out of the red zone they suck and they're at the 21 they're at they're at yeah exactly yeah they're at they're at they're at

they get to first and 10 from the 20 so technically I guess they did get to the end zone but first and 10 jalen hurts takes that that little one yard sack okay fine they let the clock run and you know what I know that you want to not leave the nineers with time but I did feel like they were being a little bit lazy there and worrying about that too much which is again a thing that Nick Siriani has done all season long, worry too much about giving the ball back. Then Jalen on second and 11, this looked like a bad play. He bailed the pocket. It felt like he had a pocket. And even in that scenario, taking a sack is not the worst thing in the world.

It's almost worse to just throw the ball away, which he does. Third and 11, Devante, like, I guess you call that a drop, but it was not a perfect throw from Jalen. There's also the drop from AJ Brown earlier in the drive. And then fourth and 11, you have to waste a time out, which is awful, awful, awful. awful process. And then I don't know what that play was on 4th and 11 and it has no chance.

And it's bad. Yeah, I mean, this offense just sucks. There's nothing. Like, you watch the Niners all game long and they're down. George Kittles out. Christian McCaffrey's the only one that they got left. They got no pierce all. And guess what?

Guys are getting schemed open regularly. Schemed open. These are, Kyle, you check. A fullback is. burning people and getting open. And you see what a real offense looks like in today's NFL. And then you see the Eagles offense. And every single guy that caught the ball was either in traffic or somebody was hanging

over their back. And if they are led properly, there's no opportunities for yak on a lot of these plays unless it's thrown behind the line of scrimmage. Just an absolutely dog bleep offense that I can, I can't wait to never watch that iteration of the Eagles offense ever again. that might be my least favorite Eagles offense I've ever seen. And I live through Ney Brown and Todd Pinkston. Think about that.

I do agree that it is hard. It is hard to look at this game and the result of this game and not think that the difference was coaching. Absolutely. Because the talent disparity of the players on the field in this game was significant. Yeah. And, you know, they, as you say, they scheme open. they pull the, you know,

Joanne Jennings' wide receiver pass to Christian McCann. What is Reed Blankenship doing on that play? Great. Like, this offense against the worst defense in the playoffs, a Niners defense that has been terrible all season long ever since Nick Bosa and Fred Warner went down,

that is dead last in the league in Sack rate. They're just running the ball right into them, and they're taking those losses. I know it was windy. You got to worry about that. That's fine. And you do wonder if some of, the repercussion of this will knock down the hubris of the way that they coach on offense,

because it's all about as long as we protect the ball, we will win the game. Guess what? You won the turnover battle two nothing, and you're going home. The season is over because all you wanted to do was run the ball on second and ten, not throw the ball downfield, not take advantage of the fact that you have Devante Smith and A.J. Brown and Dallas Goddard against linebackers who were on the street a month ago, mediocre secondary, it's really bad. And it is overall, like bottom line, it is, it is sad.

It is sad for Eagles fans that you are now staring down the very long offseason because the offense, I cannot remember a unit that underperformed more than this one. And that will be the epitaph on our season. There's a small sliver of hope, Vinnie, and I don't have to talk myself into next weekend. This is the weekend that the offense figures it out. Exactly. I'm not to do that anymore. I'm free.

You're saying something crazy, though. But we were talking during the watch along. Every time the Eagles had to score, we were getting to the Redsville. Exactly. That's exactly right. That's the frustrating part. Yeah, right. Every time they tried to score, they were able to move the ball.

Yes. Every time they tried to dominate time of possession. Can we have a fake scoreboard that Kevin Petulow and Nick Siriani look at where they're just down 10 points all game? Like, can we trick this? AI is everywhere. Can you get an AI fake scoreboard in front of them so they think they're losing?

Let's not go that far. Pathetic. All right. Well, we need to give everybody here a chance. Don't even get me started on Jake Elliott. We need to give everybody here a chance to sound off. So let's get to the Super Chats because I know that there are plenty. Super Chach!

Reverma! Why didn't Lurie let Nick hire a first-year play caller to lead a defending suit? Why did he let Nick hire a first-year play caller? To lead the defending Super Bowl. Because with success comes hand, right? Like, it's kind of that simple. It's also late in the hiring process. There's fewer options, all of that.

We will see, we will see what happens here. Mike McDaniel, hi. How are you? Are you out doing the interview tour right now? You want to swing by for an O.C. position? Yeah, you know, it's just, for me, you know, it's just, you know. This is the kind of game. Now, listen, the defense giving up 23 points.

That shocks me a little bit. That does. Despite also getting two turnovers. They did a little tired, bro. But you were right. They were gas in the fourth quarter. It is funny that we got an answer to the theoretical question we spent all week doing, which is how many points would you take to guarantee?

19 did not get it done. It turns out needed to be 24. I was always saying if you can just score 24 or more, 24 points. 24 will do it. This could go a lot of different ways with the coaching staff. Now, my thought heading into the playoffs was that if they lost in the first round and the offense was bad, they probably would make a change at offensive coordinator.

And if they got to the NFC championship game, they probably wouldn't, and anything in between, who knows? After that game, you wonder, like, how much goes into Nick wanting to protect Petulow, how contentious those discussions get. I think there's a chance that we don't have an answer on this front for, you know, 72 hours or something like that. Real quick, I agree with you, that's probably the proper way to go about things. But right now with the current state of the NFL and nearly 30% of the teams not having a head coach

and the trickle-down effect of the presumed head coaches, you better not drag your feet. This is a pretty easy decision to make. And I know people's jobs are on the line and it's not something, you know, great to yell and scream about. But, like, you can't, you can't waste a lot of time now. Because if there's good candidates out there, they're going to be gobbled up real quick. It's, I mean, the Eagles played the game that Nick Siriani wants to play. They played exactly his kind of game.

They controlled the time of possession. They won the turnover battle, and they're going home and the season's over. SRG, Super Chat. Eagles lose both games after PHLY changes the show intro. Oh, interesting. We're on the high. I think this means no more watchalongs. Oh.

I do think that. Actually, our watchalong record is not great. I mean, the triple header night with the Flyers and Eagles was like one of the worst all-time nights ever. That's true. Zane Petney. I will get into character here. Fire Nick and K.P. Nick picked K.

And his decision to play conservative. And K.P. is just a bum. You're allowed, everybody's allowed to feel how they feel. Idiot Sandwich. When you play not to lose, you will never win. FKP, he said. That's basically, if you want to surmise it. Yeah, get money, don't make money.

Yep. Like, they played not to win the game. I don't remember who said this. I saw it on social media, but it feels very true, which is, even if the Eagles weren't the worst offense in football this year, it felt like they tried their hardest to go out of their way to be bad. It did feel like that in the second half. a lot of effort for them to be as bad on offense

as they were. Patrick Higgins. We won the turnover battle. Isn't that what really matters, according to Nick? There you go. I mean, yeah, he shows slides during the team meetings. Devella. Nick either fires Petullo immediately or leave with him. Damn. Justin, like, just like Doug had pressed Taylor,

Siriani has Petulow. I think, I think lots of people are drawing those comparisons. Just Giroux. Nick equals Doug P2.0. Please let him go and get Harb. Ooh. Ooh. I don't think he's an OC type.

Or are they saying his head coach? Is he firing? Replacing Nick. Yeah, that's it. I think Harbaugh is a great coach to hire if you're trying to establish a culture and build something from the scraps. I don't think where the Eagles currently are, maybe it makes the most sense. But a team out there that's in shambles, Harbaugh is a good hire.

Yeah, like the Raiders or the Raiders or the Giants or maybe not the Giants because they're kind of ascending. But Jets, yeah, the jet was... Listen, if you want to really, if you really want to be squint for a silver lining, I do think that the big picture good thing about this loss for the Eagles is that they can no longer pretend who they're. They can't deny. They can't, like, if they had lost next week in Chicago, like, okay, tough loss, tough place to play, you squint and think, okay, like, we were probably as good as we thought we were.

We just, you know, any given Sunday. this game, they cannot lie to themselves about how just like above average this team was all year long. This team was never good. They didn't put together one complete game against a good opponent all season long. They had a very difficult schedule. They beat good teams, but it was not some magic elixir that they had. They had a really good defense and an offense that absolutely underperformed. And as we talked about earlier this season, the only other times under Jeffrey Lurie's ownership that they have.

had an offense this bad that was below average in every category, they fired all the coaches. So I don't think that's what's going to happen with Nick Siriani, but it tells you how Jeffrey is going to feel about it, especially given the investment that he's had with this group. Well, Vinny, you know Jeffrey better than any of us, but I know the one thing he hates is his team being talked about in the national media landscape as bad. And when you have the most expensive offense on paper, Vinny, and you put up that performance Guess what? The chatter's not going to be pleasant about your Philadelphia Eagles. He's competitive. He's one competitive as owner. He's super competitive. And all the guys know he's

competitive. The guys out there was competitive. You could even see a little bit of body language of what was being called. What did you think about the AJ Nick thing? That's all passion, bro. But you know, it's one of those like just the game of inches. You sort of like to say you catch that ball. I don't even think we talk on anything. You know, because that was crazy. I'm interested to see what comes out of that this offseason, but

I mean, listen, there's a real chance that you just watched AJ Brown's last game as an eagle. I would, I'd be shocked if I see AJ Brown next year. I mean, that's just my gut. I just thought he brought that spark to the team that. I love AJ Brown.

That eagle receiver fireness. But, um... It's probably the best Eagles wide receiver I've seen in my life. Yeah. I don't want to see A.J. Brown gone, but it feels like this is headed for a very bad path this offseason. All right, back to the Super Chas.

Unless that changes getting rid of Kevin Petula, then that's a positive. We've got Steve Clef, who says, thanks to everyone at PHOI, hosts, guests, and sickos for making a frustrating season bearable. See you for free agency season. Thank you, Steve. And thank you to the sickos for spending your anger and misery with us. I feel like the Cicros is like Hulk of Maniacs. That's pretty cool.

You didn't you to get hulked up right now. Pat Fienis, thank God Nick opted to kick that PAT up 12-7. This was a big one for you, Jamie, instead of going for two in what ultimately ended up being a four-point game. Anyway, thanks for everything this year, fellas. I asked you during the watch-along, do you go for two here? Because my gut was absolutely go for two. Now, I know the thinking bow counter me is you don't chase points that early, because it was like right around the end of the first quarter,

start of the second quarter. Yeah. So I know like the real thought out there is don't chase points this early, just take the extra point. But to me, as soon as you miss an extra point, you're always playing the numbers game for the rest of the game. At some point, it's going to come into play. Now you can't project ahead and predict what the Niners are going to do

and you don't know it's going to be a three-point game. But as soon as you miss the point, that thought has to enter your head that this can eventually be a three-point game and be decided. And that fourth and 11 to end the game, you could have kicked the field goal to send it to overtime. I don't agree. I think there were a lot of different points in this game

where it would have mattered to have the extra point than the one that they didn't have. Like if the Niners don't miss that extra point at the end of the game, it doesn't matter. It wouldn't have mattered. And if the Eagles were able to score a touchdown at the end of this game and then give the ball back to the Niners, if they had gone for two and not gotten it,

they would have lost on a field goal instead of going over. the, you know, if my aunt was my uncle. Yeah. But to me, like, I, I just go for two there because I don't know. I think, I think there are a million things to get on Nick about, including in the game management of this game. I'm more pissed at Jake than I am Nick. Like, I think that decision you can debate all day until you're blue in the face.

Jake Elliott missing his sixth career point after touchdown in the playoffs. Crazy. That, that's an absolute backbreaker. Because we could be watching overtime football right now. if he makes a point after. That's just brutal. Junk drawer says, scared money don't make money. We agree.

Cori Sito, Red Zone Petulow didn't even work in the end. Although they did, although I guess they, because they got two to the 20. At this time it didn't work. Howie and Lurie says Ed Wright have now wasted three seasons since 2018 on first-time OC friends of head coaches. They can't keep doing this.

That's tough. I mean, there are times when you don't really have other options and you do owe it like the head coach has earned some equity. But I think you are probably right that at this point now, if they are lucky enough to get in a position like that again, they will probably not do the same thing. All right, Vinnie, you speak locker room very well. Oh, you speak locker room in media very well. AJ Brown just went around the locker room, hugged a bunch of his teammates and bounced,

declined to speak to the media. And it's possible that's the last we've heard of him. He did not talk this week, has not talked over the past month and a half. He's gone. The Eos will have a locker room clear out. Usually that's tomorrow. Usually it's the day after the season is over. We'll see if he talks then.

Vinnie, what does your gut say about that? Yo, oh, man, die-hards. I'm almost ready to go down in front of the Nova Cue with my 7-Eleven sign. Please don't go. Yeah. That feels bad. Hey, yo. Yeah, I, I...

Thank you, Kim Chappelle, for sending that over to me. That, that hurt. That one hurts. That's what's, it's, it is sad. It should, why can't we just ever have nice things for prolonged periods of time? Even because, let me tell you, you didn't win the Super Bowl. Well, no, but I'm saying, like, AJ Brown should finish his career, his prime as an eagle.

Even what K.P. call it an offense. Who is better than the AJ Brown and receiver? Still, wait. Junk drawer. Oh, we already got that one. Alex Schlesinger is Nick on the hot seat. Love y'all. I don't think so.

I don't think Nick himself is on the hot seat unless he chooses to put himself on the hot seat, if that makes sense. If he chooses the Doug Peterson path. Yeah, I'm about to say, I've seen this episode before, though. Yes, exactly. I've seen his episode before. If, if Howie and Jeffrey come to him with specific plans

that he disagrees with, and he's willing to step in front of the sword. I think that is a possibility. So I would assume, Bo, and you know the inner workings better than I, that, I mean, Kevin Petulow, like, I don't think that's even on the table, him returning. But I would assume it is, hey, new O.C.'s coming. We get to pick it, not you.

Do you think that's true? I think that would probably be the message, yes. That's a hard That's a hard sell, dude He's the CEO coach Nick is very proud He's very proud of the fact that he's got the best record Of like any head coach

It's crazy His resume is nasty But he's not going to have say over who his next OC is But think about this, okay And if you let him go He'd be the hottest thing smoking since Oh I'm not so sure I'm actually very You think if if Nick Siriani

Is it chooses to leave that he would be a more attractive head coach candidate than John Harbaugh? Yes, we just saw that. When Doug left here, so the big three... They do everything at them besides that big-ass yacht.

You keep seeing on Instagram. I think he would get a job. I do. I do think he would get a job, but the big three would be Stefansky, Harbaugh, and Siriani. Right? No, sure.

I definitely... Huh? I mean, Staphansky's a two-time coach of the year. What's that? Harbaugh's a winner. He's won once in 18. years in Baltimore. We talked about

went to the desk two times in five years. But the problem with being the CEO coach and having an all-star roster is I think some of that credit doesn't always find its way to you. You have to fight for that credit.

Jamie just dropped the mic on me, y'all, when you say, yeah, that roster is crazy. Yeah, the roster is insanely talented. Yeah, and I think if you're another, now, there are so many teams desperate that I think you would find a place, but the question you would ask yourself is why would the Eagles move on from this guy?

Right? Like that is a well-run organization. Why would they be willing to move on? If you just want to move on from the CEO coach, I don't think this is a real scenario. I think it's only if Nick says, no, we're not moving. I'm not moving on from KP.

We're a joint package. You fire us together. Philly Raj. Not happy with saying this, but it's a relief. I haven't enjoyed the coaching, the strategy, the scheme, the lack of innovation all year.

is today enough to make serious changes to the offense. It's what we've been talking about. I don't think the offense, I mean, the offense underperformed to such a ridiculous degree that they cannot pretend like they have a lot of work to do. My question to you guys, though, is the flip side. How disappointed are you in the performance of the defense? It's hard to say because I feel like every time you blinked

or sat down or ate a wing, there was on the field. Yeah. I'm floored, honestly. Think about it. They reversed the passenger. I thought they did well, a rest of the passenger. They got two of the senses. He wiggled out a lot from the,

crazy. A lot of close. I thought Nikobe had like an okay game. Zach Bonn, I felt pretty quiet. Pretty quiet. Like, Zach Bonn, I don't feel like we heard from much. I thought Reed Blanketship had maybe his worst game we've seen in a long time. I agree.

Cooper. I thought I did, I thought that the penalty on the final drive, I thought that was a fair call. That was fair. I wasn't upset about that one. Cooper played okay. Quineon got toasted on the first drive and then. Really impressive bounce back. Yeah, and then locked down after that.

But I'm pretty floored that the defense allowed 23 points to the Niners, especially after losing George Kittle and like CMC had a good game, but not like a, you know. Yeah, we will remember their final three drives. were a five-play 67-yard touchdown drive, which included the trick play, then Quinyon getting an interception, and then a 10-play-61-yard touchdown drive. And you know the one that's probably going to,

like I'm going to wake up tomorrow on the first thought I'm going to have is that Cam Juergens penalty? On the second and 10, Jalen Hertz, finally, finally, they finally call the quarterback draw. That's a bad, that's a bad job. That was a tiki-tack one. I thought it was tick-tack one.

but I also... By definition, he shouldn't have been doing that. He had a bad game. Yes. He had a bad season. Yes. And he's a pro bowler. Yes.

Yeah. Mustang CB20. Just a nice donation. Go birds. Dear Jamie, your opening monologue was on point. Nothing more to say. It's awful. That said, love the entire all PHLY staff.

Thanks for an awesome season. Fire Petul. no other choice. If not, we riot. You don't see any scenario where they try to not fire him, right? I could see it. I don't see fire. Yeah, I can absolutely

see it. I see demoting. I can, well, it's not a demotion. It's a bringing somebody else above him. Like a, does it, like I think that it's remain entitled? I think that is absolutely possible, that he remains as offensive coordinator, but

a Frank Reich type. I'm not using him. Frank Reich comes in a senior offensive consultant or whatever it is. That's definitely possible. Jeffrey, Howie, I know you care about PR and how the town will react to things. If you do that, it will be a disaster. I honestly, I think that that would be unkind to Kevin Petulow. Same. I think it would be putting him in a no-win situation.

Absolutely. Setting him up to fail. Because if the offense is successful next year, they go, oh, what's the difference? This is Frank Reich or whoever it was his offense anyway. So all he is is keeping a job title. I don't think I've been consistent in saying, I do not think that Kevin Petullo is the only person responsible for this. Of course not.

Terrible offense. But I do think that this, as currently structured, is it's untenable. Nick Siriani has plenty of blame in this offense. yeah he picked Kevin Petulow he influenced Kevin Patulow they came up together this is their offensive brain baby Andrew Rourke with a very funny super chat says Nick getting fired is my Super Bowl and we're still in the mix maybe Matthew Greenwood game on the line what was that fourth down call truly to have to waste that timeout, thereby guaranteeing you will not get the ball back if you don't convert on

fourth down, and then to come out of the timeout and call that is really bad. Matthew then says, get A.J. and Devante out of the way. If A.J. wanted to crash out, why not over that? Peasoidus took 57 minutes to attack the middle against the team

that is missing four linebackers. Amen. Multiple second, third, and long runs. Shame, Lurie, and Howie allowed another Nick Neppo hire to tank a talented team they built. Uh-huh. Jabelle, did Big Dom and AJ have the same number of catches? No, AJ actually out-caught them by two, I think.

Can't scream with the head coach when you drop three catches in the playoffs. Dan Baxter, in hindsight, those kids were right to egg his house. Kenneth Bush, any competent offense wins the game with two interceptions in the bag, simply terrible offensive scheming. Darwood, fire KP, kick Jake Elliott, trade AJ. draft offensive line. I mean, that's another big elephant in the room here is,

Lane's probably going to need surgery. Yeah. And does he... He needs half the season next year, huh? Really? Right? I'm asking you. I think he could be ready for the season.

Yeah, I think so. But I'm just hoping we didn't see the last game Lane Johnson ever played. Yeah, I hope so too. He's a warrior. I don't think he's back one more. I would be surprised if he goes. out like that. It's the same.

He's coming back for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, for the, but yeah, I mean, they have to, they need it to draft offensive line this year. Yeah. And then, absolutely. They didn't, for the, for example, I mean, I mean, I had to play a back up at right tackle. They could have used a first round draft pick on the offense. Man, Ben, our social media director just sent me a tweet that's, that's painful. Philip Rivers, cook. this defense like three weeks ago. That is his Super Bowl. It certainly is. But a 44-year-old man off the street cook that same defense. And the defense actually got worse by the time the Eagles played it.

This passing attack for the Eagles offense makes me just like literally sick to my stomach how bad it is. There's no timing. There's no throwing guys open. There's no good play calls. good times. Everything about it is I can't wait to see a new Eagles

offense. It was like what both was saying. Every time they drop back to throw the ball, though, it was good things happening. It was good things happening. If they came out in attack mode, shame on us all week long for being like, okay, this is the week they're going to do something different. I'm so happy on it.

I believe that they've been waiting for the playoffs to unveil who they really are. Shannon's going to run. They're going to be aggressive against this really bad defense, this is it. Shame, what a moron I was. They did one thing that was different. One thing.

A tight-in rush. They did. Dallas got a very, yeah. Let's hang our hat on that. First tight end ever with a rushing touchdown. Hang the banner. Two pieces of history were made today. Scott Galupo doubles down with us.

He says they lost in exactly the way they needed to. They left no doubt about why I'm actually relieved. It's over. I don't think that that is, I don't think that that is a. a unique sentiment. I think that there are lots of people who feel that way. All right. More super chats to get to.

We're going to hear from me, Jay Smith, after he talks to all of the guys in the locker room and, you know, gathers the sadness. Vinny, I do want to ask you about that because there is always something so, like, surprisingly finite about a playoff loss where, like, you are expecting to go on and all of a sudden, just

like that, like, this is the last time you're ever going to be with these guys again. We'll unpack that. But on the other side, we're going to talk to Fran Duffy about what he saw in this game. And I think that he is actually very happy that he doesn't have to watch this offense every. Bet 365 has 90 million users worldwide and they live stream over 780,000 events each year

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What do we do now? Well, we bring in our friend Fran Duffy on the Ashley Fan Cave, France film room. Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the show the franimal fran i guess their draft position improved well everyone was upset with me and i had them picking 23rd uh in my mock draft this week and they're picking a 23rd take a lift baby i i also had them taking a wide receiver uh in the draft

so yes a great name too all right we're going to get to we're going to get to some of the snaps um but let's let's let's just start your your your your your job you're you're your general thoughts, your takeaways from watching that game. I know that you're excited that you don't have to watch this offense ever again. You know, the only thing that was popping in my head as watching and we're, you know, me and my family were watching the game and it's, they get the ball back and it's just under three minutes left and they've got all their timeouts plus the two-minute warning. And I'm like, man, it's a good thing that they've got all of that experience running a two-minute drill at the end of the half. They can fall back on from the season. All those opportunities they had

that, you know, it was like, oh, yeah, we don't, we don't need to run the two minute drill. We're good. We do it in practice. Oh, we don't need to do this. And you had the, this was the opportunity. You had the chance to do it. And you get down in the strike zone. You're in the fringe area.

You're inside the 35 yard line. And you take that sack and they're just sitting on their timeouts. And it's like, yeah, maybe call time out. You don't need, it's not just for stopping the clock. Regroup. There are other reasons you can call time out just to catch your breath, take a breathe. Hey, let's get to the sideline. Let's have a quick powwow before we go back out.

let's take a breather. The offense was completely unsettled the moment the opening script was over. They got out of that opening script and everything, and you could hear it in Brady's voice throughout the course of the broadcast where he's like, yeah, like a lot of pointing around pre-snap, a lot of discussion pre-snap. It's completely out of sorts. And it continued into the, obviously, into the two-minute trail.

And they didn't go out and they didn't go out and execute. And the second half was terrible. You had four three-out and five drops and five drops. You had 33 yards rushing from Saquan Barkley in the second night. It was just over three yards of carry. You had nine for 19 passing from Jalen Hertz. I mean, but more of the same is what we've seen all season long from that side of the ball. You're so right about the what happened after that sack.

It's first and 10 at the 20. And they take that sack. And it was it was so pitch perfect to the hubris that they play with. it was just oh we got this no big deal we'll just do that no you won't be a grown up take a time out like figure yourself out that's why you that's why you saved them and then if you're not going to take it there you certainly can't be wasting it on fourth down when you when you all of a sudden are now in a true do-or-die situation and i thought we said it on the watch along when they give up the touchdown to go down 2319 fine good go win the game this is what it's all about

You want to be the myth-making team that you know how to win when it matters most. We're the big bad guys. It's $2.50 left. You got three timeouts. That is nothing. Did you watch the other games this weekend? Every other offense that played this weekend would have gone down the field and scored a touchdown. Every single one.

The offense did go out and do it. Yes. So go do it. Yeah. Every single offense that had the ball and we're talking a couple games. But going into this one, the team that was down and had the ball at the two-minute drill, at two-minute warning, won the game. The Eagles, I had it in front of them and couldn't get it done.

I mean, we talked about at the beginning. It's the same stuff that hampered them all season long was the exact same stuff that happened tonight, except that they got to win the turnover battle and still lose. How excited. I mean, that's the thing is that, you know, and I'm going through it and look, I'll go to the film tomorrow. They didn't show great replays of the past game.

And, you know, again, like, it was more of the same. But what, I'm looking at the box scores, It was like end of the third quarter. And obviously, you're right in the midst of like that offensive futility where they couldn't get anything going. And I see like, oh, okay, Sequant Barkley has the longest reception. And it was for 20 yards. It was on that double screen that they ran early in the second quarter. The long, you had, A.J. Brown had, I believe it was a 10-yarder.

And Devante Smith had like a 15-yarder. They don't have an intermediate passing game. They didn't have. They did not have all season long an intermediate passing game. not just like middle of the field, but it was either deep ball or a quick game. Yes. And so, oh, well, the win took the deep ball out. And the quick game has been uninspired and inconsistent all season long.

So it shouldn't have been a shock that this is where we arrived. Fran, the only time they gave any receiver a chance for actual yak was when the ball was thrown behind the line of scrimmage. And it was some sort of screen. Otherwise, there's no creativity to get guys open in their routes. Yeah, and look, yards after catch, it's multifaceted, right? Yards after catch is talent driven, which not a problem. Nope. You have plenty of talent offensively.

So then you get to two other aspects. It's timing and rhythm in the past game. So you look at the quarterback and then it's schematic. And, you know, you look at it, it's funny. Like now that this was the only game on TV, there were a lot of like national like analysts and X and O types that were chiming in. They're like, oh, like all of the, I think was Brett Coleman, who does. you know, does some work covering the NFL. It's like, oh, like so much of the Eagles offense is like hitches and flats.

And EJ. Quote, me was like, yeah, welcome to the 2020. And it's like, yeah, those two routes are not conducive to yards after catch. Yeah. Right. Like, they can be, you know, you can create yards after catch on a hitch route or on a flat route. But you are you running to the sideline or you're running backwards to the quarterback, right? Like, you're face up to the quarterback. So if you're going to get yards after catch on those plays, you either, you know, the timing needs

to be perfect or you need something or to go wrong with the defense. So when you have so much of the offense built that way, yeah, like yards after catch is not going to be. Kyle Ucheck was schemed more open than I saw any receiver on the Eagles team this entire season. A fullback. Yeah, well, and that's why I get why we're upset about the defense in this game. But guys, it was more the same with this defense where they're on the field, not stop. Four out of five drives in the second half in a row consecutively go for three and out. And we'll get into it with the breakdowns.

but like, yeah, they're at some point, like physically or emotionally, like it's going to break. Like the dam's going to break. And it broke in the foot late in the fourth quarter. They're pulling out all the stops. Like Kyle Shannon's calm like, you know, reverse passes for Juan Jennings to throw a deep ball in the wind to Christian McCaffrey. Like they're just throwing stuff at the wall. And obviously that one stuck, but that's what they needed in order to put points on the board. This was a race to 20.

I said it with with because earlier this week. This is going to be a race to 23 and ended up being a race to 24. and this team was just not up to the challenge. Framination just looked like one empty the clip and the other one didn't. And I'll tell you the play that I will remember. And it's not the biggest reason they lost the game, but it is so perfect. They're down 17-16. They're finally moving the ball.

It's 845 left or so. Second and one. Second and one from the 27. You are in striking distance. second and one. Take a shot. Go score a touchdown here. And instead, it's Sequin Barkley up the middle for six yards.

Great. Throw a parade. Another first down. And then what? Run on first and ten. Stuffed. Incomplete. And then you get a nice, a great six yard into Will Shipley on the angle route.

Perfect to set up a shorter field goal for the kicker. You're terrified to let kick the ball. Take a shot. It's the playoffs. Let them hang. What happened to that? No. to me like the the aggressiveness with this offense and that's why that's why and that week 16 show

in that post game when we sat here and we were talking about like oh you know they go for two when they're up by three scores they're like yeah talking about like the aggressiveness and what it means to be aggressive and what it means to be like that's not that they're not that not this team and clearly not this offense again failed to score 20 points against that defense with the highest paid offense in football yeah just a bad showing and a bad season on offense. Fran, apropos and nothing, just out of curiosity. What kind of the trade value do you think A.J. Brown has in the NFL?

I think a lot of it's going to have to do with the contract stuff. I mean, my guess is you probably are, it's at least a two, but we'll see what the market shows. Just thinking out loud. No real reason. I asked that. He just hugged a couple people

and just bounce. Yeah. Again, there was a reason why I gave them a wide receiver in that mock draft this week. I did not see I assumed that whenever this playoff run ended however this playoff run ended this was probably it for a day What did you make of Syria

before we get into the breakdown? What did you make of Siriani and Nick or Siriani and AJ there going nose to nose? What is going on out there? Sixers must be doing something good. I mean, yeah, like AJ era Siriani like took off

because they were both together but to see like Oh, it was actually Nick that initiated and sprinted over like 30 yards away. I want to see the next gen stats on that. Like grounds covered. But yeah, it's, it was a little bit of, I was trying to like do some some lip reading, but nothing I felt going about. He got his Italian up on that one. All right.

Let's talk a little bit about the defense. And the run game, the run defense was for the most part, awesome in this game. Christian McCaffrey finishes with 48, 48 yards or 48 yards on 15 carries, 3.2 yards. but at halftime it was something like eight for 13 or something like that. And so they did start to bend a little bit. What did you see on the final touchdown drive? Yeah, I mean, again, it was kind of going back to what I was saying earlier where you're on the field so much. And, you know, Vinnie, I don't know if you ever felt like this way, but I know I've talked with guys in the past.

And on either side, offensively or defensively, when, you know, one unit is like carrying it for as long. At some point, like, that damn can break. It doesn't always break, but at some point it can happen. Sometimes it's not like it's not a malicious thing. It's just like it's kind of the, it's kind of the war of attrition kind of deal. And late in the game, crunch time. We know how Vic is. Vic wants his guys out there.

Like he wants Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Ojamo. He wants all he wants the guys up front. He wants the he wants the big dogs in there. And if we go to the first clip here, uh, Lindsay, this is run. Um, it's the fourth quarter. And you see the right of just, but just about in the red zone here. And it's going to be a simple inside zone run. And you got Jordan Davis in the game, got Jalen Phillips, you got Nolan Smith, but the fourth

defensive lineman is Byron Young. And if you go to the next shot, Byron Young gets completely unearthed here on this play, uprooted off his spot in the run game. The double team puts him about six yards into the linebacker level. Now the offensive line is able to get up to Noghue Deans' lap. And if we go to the next shot, it's a first down. So the first down, the most explosive run they gave up all day to McCaffrey happens here on this play. And then they score, you know, three plays later. And to me, like this was, and it's funny, because I have two, two plays here on this breakdown, two plays from the defense and one from the offense. But honestly, tangentially, this is all about the offense. Yeah. This is a go out, sustain drives, give your defense a blow

a little bit, control the football, and maybe don't have Byron Young on the field in crunch time. You know, you have those guys available to you. And obviously, in that situation, and San Francisco was able to get and take advantage of it. I mean, they were so, they were so good, so dominant up front for most of this game, for the first three quarters of this game. Jordan Davis was awesome. You know, Jalen Phillips had a really good game.

The linebackers were good coming forward. But they did leak a couple big plays. I know we're not going to break those down specifically. Is there anything you saw on those two big plays that DeMarcus Robinson won on the first possession and then the Joanne Jennings one later on? Yeah, the Robinson one. you know, we saw the sky cam view of it.

And to me, just from seeing the sky cam angle one time, because couldn't find it on social anywhere, so by seeing that one time, it looked to me like Quinyan guessed on the route. Like he thought it was going to be a slant, like a quick inbreaker, and ended up being a skinny post vertical. And so that's why it looked like he undercut that route and then got beat over the top.

So I don't think he was expecting that was the route. He tried to guess it. He had two picks in the game. So I think some of the guessing was right. It made some good educated guesses on. some of those plays but um on that one obviously he's wrong robinson ends up going for the long one and then uh we had the obviously there was the trick play to mcalfrey um and then there was the one long catching run with juan jennings uh right yes um yeah i mean look it's a it's a really well

offense like they're going to get theirs like i said and that was the thing was i didn't think that they were going to hold them to you know three points or seven points or nine points like i figured all right like san francisco they're going to dial a few things up they That's why you need to get to like 20 points, at least in this game. All right. What did you see on the, what turned out to be the game winning touchdown? Yeah, really well designed here from San Francisco. Shocking.

Yeah, right. Let's just go to, because the Eagles take the first read away here. Because honestly, I shouldn't even say like, oh, yeah, like this was brilliant from Kyle Shannon. This is just normal stuff. It's like, this is like table stakes like it to me in the NFL, like table stakes like just good sound peer progression football from Kyle Shanhan on the, this play. Lindsay, it's CMC, the first shot, so CMC won. And here on this play, you're going to get the, obviously, they're in the low red zone. It's third and goal. And you've got two receivers, Jennings and Robinson, two Purdy's right. That's the way he's going to start here on this play. So he's going to drop back. It's double slants. And Zach Bonn jumps this. He gets, he reads Purdy the whole way. He's going to get in front of it. There are D.Bs on that side are squatting on those slant routes, taking that away. So the first read is taken away from Brock Bertie here on this play. I think he wants to go to Joanne Jennings on the backside. So that that's gone. So now he's got to get his eyes back around. But by the way, and again, like tangentially, Eagles, Eagles offense related topic here. How often in the quick

game do we see the Eagles and Jalen Hertz, he drops back, oh, the slant got taken away to A.J. Brown or, oh, the stick route got taken away. The quick out route to DeVante Smith got taken away. Now it's Scramble Drew. Well, the reason why is because by the time he gets back over to the other side, those routes got taken away. They've timed out. So now those guys are in Scramble, So the timing is completely off. This is now, bring her back here to this one. Here's why the timing is not off. Christian McCaffrey runs out of the backfield,

and he releases up through the formation, and he runs to the flat. It's a longer developing route. So now when Purdy, if that first read is taken away, if we go to the next shot here, Lindsay, and go one more. So on the next shot, what you see here is when Purdy gets his eyes back to the field,

he's working, he's, McCaffrey hasn't even come out of his break yet to work back towards the middle. And so now he's working one-on-one against Nicobi Dean, which that's a match-up they love. They love getting McCaffrey one-on-one with a linebacker. And McCaffery is able to just, he's able to beat Nicoby Dean at the top of the route. Again, by the time Purdy gets his eyes back there, he's still within rhythm. The timing is still there. We go to the last shot and it's just a CMC catching the touchdown in front of N'C.

Like, yeah, like, yeah, like, no, Kobe's going to lose one-on-one to Christian McCaffrey. Like that's not like a crime here. That's, to me, that's just representative of good sound, again, pure progression football where Purdy's like, all right, first read's taken away. I can get back to the backside of this route and trust that I'm still within good time. We don't need to get into Scramble drill yet, and they were able to capitalize for a touchdown. So this is not a direct follow up to that, but it is a question related to it. I know that you will watch the film, but from first blush, how did you feel about Jalen

timing tonight because it did feel like there were there were a few times especially where he he fled the pocket a little bit too quickly especially late it definitely felt that way and that's what you know I want to I'll reserve judgment a lot of those because they didn't show a lot of great replays tonight of the past game it's only the playoffs I mean yeah and like you know you've got Tom Brady in the booth so why do that but I think that you've got yeah it's one of those where I'm kind of kind of reserve judgment. Yes, I agree that the timing did not look great throughout the course of the night. But there have been times where that has felt that way leaving a game. And I'm like,

oh, like, yeah, that was a really bad Jalen game. Maybe we could have gone a little harder on him in postgame. And then there were somewhere, it's like, oh, like actually, there was just nobody open. And we can get into a glaring example of that with the final play. Well, let's do it. Let's get right to it. Yeah, let's go to the, Lindsay, let's go final play here. So on this play, and again, recurring themes throughout the course of the season. And this is something we've talked about. Honestly, since like week one, week two this year, where one of the ways you can get after this past game and get after Jalen Hertz, when it's these high leverage spots, third and long, fourth and long, we're going to bring a bunch of guys up on the line of scrimmage. And here they show a double mug front. You got both linebackers up on the A gap.

So you have six defenders down the line of scrimmage. And you're making the quarterback think that he's potentially hot. Like he's going to have it. They're going to have to keep everybody in for protection or he's just going to speed up his process. But they don't actually blitz. They're actually going to drop a couple of these guys out. what the 49ers are playing here on fourth and long is they're playing cover four they're playing quarters if you go to the last the next shot here they're dropping four deep with three underneath defenders the eagles call fourverts on this play so all four receivers are running directly into four uh into four vertical defenders this has happened numerous times over the last just like the last like five six weeks third and long fourth and long where it's typically a third long where uh jaylon hurts drops back and it's you're running four vertical routes right into quarters,

and it's just like, yeah, there's nowhere for him to go here on this play. Now, if you think that it's going to be cover two, if you think that it's going to be cover three, which that's the thing is that the Eagles, they've had success running play like this, running these vertical routes in this area of the field against different coverages, against cover three, against cover two, where you can kind of play the post safety and kind of read off him.

But essentially, if you go to the next shot here, Lindsay, essentially it's which of these middle receivers am I going to go to? If it's going to be cover three, and it's just one safety deep, he can't cover both routes, right? If it's going to be Tampa 2, all right, well, those safeties are going to be a little bit wider. And so now those guys that are running the middle, Jahad Dotson or Dallas Dodd, you can kind of mess with your route stem a little bit to get those safeties to expand towards the sideline and then create more room for Jaylen to loft this over the top. But because it's cover four, because it's quarters, those guys are tighter to the middle of the field. So those passing lanes are now squeezed down. you have a veteran linebacker like Eric Kendricks patrolling the the underneath middle of the

field because by the way like this is a coverage that they major in this is Robert Salas bread and butter like this is this is exactly what they want to play this is their identity is that they want to play cover four and we're going to play it better than you better than you can attack it and even when you have so when you have a veteran linebacker in there like Kendricks even though he's still relatively new he's played out you know countless snaps of cover four in his career and so he's going to drop back and he gets underneath this route if you just go to the last shot here Like, there's no prayer of this getting open. And now you can get into the idea.

Like, oh, well, you have AJ Brown number one-on-one on the outside. You have Devante Smith 101 on the outside. You're calling a play that it's going to come down to either Goddard or Jahan Dotson. He chose Jahan Dotson on one-on-one matchup earlier in the drive on that fade to the left side line. And obviously, it was completely smothered. A lot to break down from that. But clearly, like, Jalen drops back. There's nowhere for him to go.

Like, that plays D-O-A. That had no shot. Cool. Love hearing that. that it's very depressing yeah yeah I mean it's it is it's a wasted opportunity this is a team that you know and look we know the offensive line was not the offensive line we expected due to injury right you know you know all the injuries not just due to injury yeah yeah right but yeah right in terms of like a lot of those guys like banged up throughout the course of the season

so all right that's going to lower the ceiling of the offense a little bit but it's still like a j brown devonte smith sequan barclay dallas god or jaylan hurts like it was one of the worst offenses in football with extremely high price tags attached to a number of these guys' names. They are better than what this offense looked like over the course of this season. And I would expect that there's going to be turnover

not just like on the sidelines, but I would imagine there's going to be turnover on the field as well. Yeah, I think you're right. All right, well, how's the tight end class for Ann in the draft? How are we looking? It's a good tight end class.

Okay, how's the wide receiver class, how's the offensive line class? Yeah, you know. I think we all know what the draft picks need to be. Well, look, for all of our viewers, you can go and check out the diehard draft guide right now. And it's, uh, is there, I think you get, I think you can get that $36 a year deal.

I was going on, a good sale going on right now, perhaps, where I could get that. Well, I don't know how much longer it lasts. Do we get it? I'll extend it another 24 hours just so the sickos can dive into the big board of Fran. Because your life and, this is your life's work, Fran. Something crazy is happening in the Sixers game. Yeah, $3 a month.

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Well, I'm here hopefully to answer the call. I know I'll be on tomorrow to break down film of this game. And then I'll be watching college guys nonstop for the next. Doing guys. I mean, good for you. you good for you to be freed up you know i can't say that uh you know if i had my choice on watching this offense or watching you know a a tight end from missouri you know for the for the first time uh that i would definitely have chosen this offense uh if i had my druthers but all right friend

we love you very much we will talk to you tomorrow at two o'clock to get a much more in-depth picture at uh the snapies from this game and maybe be reacting to some news as well so uh thank you very much. I would sure hope so. We will take a quick break to hear from some sponsors back with much more on the other side, including some video from the locker room before we even make it to E.J. Five years ago, what happened five years ago? Five years ago, the Eagles fired Doug Peterson after an ugly 2020 season goes to show you that a lot can change in five years. So what if you could lock in a great price on great Wi-Fi and intelligent Wi-Fi? And intelligent Wi-Fi for the next five years.

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our mission. Don't miss out on it. Back on the P-H-O-Y Eagles post-game show presented by Bet365 and Ashley. We're in the Xfinity Lounge, lamenting the end of the 2025 Eagles season.

If you're just joining us for the first time, it's going to be a long off-season. We're going to have shows every single day. Monday and a Friday, 2 o'clock, talking birds. Who knows what's going to happen? You don't want to miss it.

Maybe you want to miss it for like a couple days to be sad. But after that, you should join us. In the meantime, let's send it to the link because we've got audio, Rich Hoffman and video of Dallas Goddard after what could be his final game as a Philadelphia Eagle. What did he think about everything that happened on the field? Yeah, you know, I think Kevin did a good job putting us in situations. We can always execute. We put ourselves behind the sticks more often than.

we should have. You know, we got enough playmakers on this team that we should be able to battle through anything, you know, looking at the end of the day, being able to win the division, being able to, you know, be in an opportunity to go and win a playoff game at the end of the game. It's kind of what you want in the season. You know, you can never say you were good enough. There's always things that we could be better at. But, you know, just looking back at the year, it was a great year. And how was your year and your mind? You had all those touchdowns. You made history today as a, you know, rushing and receiving touchdown.

What did you expect coming into the season and how did it play out for you personally? Yeah, it was like high expectations for myself for this team. You know, really proud of the way we handled diversity as a team. Didn't get it done today, which sucks. But, you know, I thought it's a good year with the tough ending. Good look at E.J. doing his job there. Yeah. That probably is Dallas Goddard's last game.

Well, let me listen. part of the sadness and I want to ask you about this for any because you know you go to work with these guys every single day right and you know when the playoff game is over a lot of them you may never get to work with again how like what is that feeling like

it sucks it sucks you grow a brotherly bond you know with some guys you go to battle with and you know potentially you know contracts uh disputes

you know what I mean, leads you to a different team and, you know, you just kind of miss that that culture you created, especially when you win the championship, you know what I'm saying? Right. It even hurts even more. So I only can imagine what those guys feel like right now

coming up short when, especially when the game they should have won, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, that's what hurts even more. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I'm just going to go very quickly down the roster and tell you guys who very well could not be an eagle after this season. Not the sexiest guy to start with, but just going alphabetically. Jacorian Bennett, likely gone.

Reed Blankenship is a free agent. Could have been his last time with the Eagles. AJ Brown, absolutely, could be his last time with the Eagles. Sidney Brown, Grand Concatera, Michael Carter, I mean, okay. Britton Covey. Nicopi Dean is a free agent. Like what an unbelievable season he had, and he is probably not going to be back. AJ Dylan

Jahan Dotson Jake Elliott Is he going to be back Marcus Epps Dallas Goddard Brandon Graham you know Kylean Granson

okay uh adori Jackson Lane Johnson Fred Johnson Cam Latu Tanner McKee Jalen Phillips

is a free agent Matt Pryor Keely Ringo Will Shipley Tyler Steen Brett Tooth Jeremiah Troutor junior like Byron Young. These are not

all of those guys are the sexiest names, but these are the guys who have been in your daily life as an Eagles fan for, you know, at least the past nine months. And it's sad that this is the end of the road for a lot of those guys. And that's

what makes a playoff loss so frustrating, especially as you said, in a time when you had a chance to really do something extra special. Yeah, but Those are some Pieces though

You know It might not be like the wow But there were some key pieces in there You know Just rush that We're going to miss And you know Hopefully they get something figured out

And Yeah You know Get some more Yeah All right Back to the super chats We have

Jebel Who just has a nice generous donation Joe Sandoval, Sia Petulow get Gruden or McDaniel. I don't know about Gruden, but McDaniel could be interesting. Matt B.

Weirdly content with this loss, it felt very deserved. Thank you, P.H.L.Y. Crew, special thanks to Julia and Lindsay. Amen to that. For great coverage all season long. Thank you for entertaining us during an unbelievably frustrating season.

Unfortunately, it did feel deserved. Absolutely. That's just the way that they deserve to lose. And again, shame on all of us for thinking it was going to be anything different. Next week's going to be different though, Bo. But also, extra shout-out to Ben, our social media maven,

Ethan, who's working behind the scenes today. More people today for the playoffs. Todd picked up some pizza and wings and chicken salad for Vinny, who's locking in. New Year, New Vinny. Yes, it. So thanks everybody for behind the scenes, who has helped us out with this season.

Brian Backer, P. Patulow scoring. needs to be gone too low. Get it? Got his ass. And right. For Vinnie, if you had the level of talent on defense that the Eagles have on offense, how disappointing is it as a player to know what you have in the hands of someone who's

never done it at a pro level? He's saying, would you feel like if you were someone on the offense extra mad at Kevin Petulow in this standpoint to have wasted your talent? I don't think that's how you guys are wired, right? Yeah, no, yeah. I mean, it's a team sport, you know, it's one of those bams. You know what I mean? That's for Gibronies like media.

You look inward, right? We've been part of a tight-ass loss like this before in the playoffs. Yes. I think for you, I think 19 for you, because you weren't here in 18, right? And 19 and it were when. That's the Seahawks one. Oh, the Saints one. Now that's brutal.

That's because that one was a game where it really felt like, it felt like if you won that game, you could go to the Super Bowl. Correct. Yeah. M4C20. I agree with Philly Raj. A part of me was thinking as the game was still in the balance,

I was thinking, I don't know if I can watch this again. Yeah. Fresh Prince. I guess we have to wait until next year for the QB inclusive run game. Can we get an overrunner on how many days

until we get an O.C. decision? I think you got to move quick with the state of the NFL right now. I don't think you need, I don't think you need to be rushed to do it. it like tomorrow if you but if you know it's the decision like what are you doing yeah i think it could i mean you could have something tomorrow it could also be something that drags on

several days it has to be an external right yeah i don't think there's an internal replacement yeah they need an outside voice nicky loves music we see how fast things can turn around with good coaching with vick nick and k p got to go too many good coaches in the league to accept this on office offense. Brendan, I'm not sure I've ever seen a team refused to make any changes to obvious flaws all season, and those same flaws came back to burn them.

That's exactly right. No lies to tech the way they play. Go birds. Dear Bo, please give us 30 seconds of internal Jeffrey Lurie monologue once that ball to Dallas hit the ground. You are best equipped to handle this request. Is he a cursor, Vinny? Mm-hmm. Okay. I think, I think, um, it's a Gloria a cursor.

No, no, no. When he speaks, though, you listen, but it's, he's very competitive. He's not, he's not in it to embarrass anybody. You know, so you don't really see him ticked off. You know, he ain't going to be ticked off in front of everybody. Yeah. I think there are a few lines that come to my head, depending on how it all plays out. I mean, one of them is, like, okay, at least, you know, let me get a tea time in

Boca, in Florida next weekend. Yeah. You know, where can I go on vacation? I think there's a part of him that is maybe like, all right, maybe now I can fire the morons. I don't know. He's thinking, he's thinking, God damn it. Like, because he knows, as he, as he said publicly, which he rarely speaks during the season, said publicly, we have a Super Bowl level defense.

And for him to choose his words, that. carefully that he knows he has put together a Super Bowl level defense and the offense is what is letting this team down. It tells you exactly how he feels about what he saw this season. And I promise you that he is not going to be okay with it. Good. Shouldn't be. Whoa, both.

Allen Eck, Williamsport Native, doing all he can to make sure KP is fired. That's home field advantage at work Great team effort all around Julia did you know that the ref for this game was from Williamsport She's got headphones She's wired in she's locked in on something else Alec Williams so AJ Brown is clearly done right

Would release him he didn't care all year Smith is a wide receiver one and there's better use of caps based on a diva obviously you do not release him Go out now but I How many Turkey is Probably, I would put... 75?

I would put 85. 85 on him being gone. That's it. Yeah. Oh, I would have thought higher from you. 60, maybe? I don't think he's gone. Yeah, I don't think it's a done deal.

In my mind, it's like 92 turkeys. Well, there are other places they could make a change that would make him happier. There are... That would be spicy. There are also other paths to... Listen, I think they deserve credit. frankly, for weathering the storm with AJ in the middle of the season, right? Like it felt like in the middle of the season that this was going to be a dam that broke then.

When he was on the stream, that was the breaking point. And I think they deserve some credit. And if you want to talk about the strengths of Nick Siriani, that's one of them. If AJ had his choice and Jeffrey said, you know, I want you here, we'll do whatever. Is that decision in the coaching staff or the guy that receives the hut hike? if AJ had his choice I don't know I can't speak for him if you had to guess

I don't know I really don't I don't think that he has a particular disdain for Nick but I think he saw the same things on general offense that we all saw that it was a bad offense Zane Penny

you got something yeah I was going to say when last week I think a lot of people seen it was like kind of the same thing that you saw today the same as that type of game play. Yeah. It's crazy. And it was good enough to win last year, so. This was not the same as last year.

No, I know. But I'm just saying that like if he's deciding the coaching. Last year, they took more off the top. The running game was different. The offensive line was better. The offensive line was the biggest issue this year. Do Dickerson and Juergens bounce back? Does my lot of bounce back or is this a regression point? that's the million dollar question i mean i think there are reasons and you know this better than anyone

viny that you know the toll it takes on your body to go to the super bowl and then you are defending champs and you're every week as a grind every team is giving you their best shot like that wears you down right and so i think there is a case to be made that those guys will will look fresher and and benefit from if you assume we're not going to win the super bowl you might as well lose you now and get the coolest thing about the Eagles front office you ain't got no choice but the bounce back if not you're going to bounce out I won't be surprised yeah I don't I won't be surprised if and and the 23rd pick they don't pick pick office a line yes that would be that would be that would be that would be there's no knock on I've been on body

screaming it for three years but you know you can you can learn from a lane Johnson and learn for majority, you know, and, you know, just how they was learned in today's positions like like that. That's one cool thing about the org that actually grooms you up to become a good tackle in this league. All right. Before we get to E.J., we do have to do Vinnie's Beef of the Week. Presented by our good friends at Righteous Felon. A tough way to go out, Vinnie, but where are you going to give your beef?

this week. I'm going to give my beef to the week to the most consistent defensive player on the Eagles and that is you, my friend, Jordan Davis. I agree. Beavious of the beef. Man, you know, what a season for me. Yes, yes. Where to leave it all out there. You know, you would stubble to the Pro Bowl.

You would snuff from being an all-pro. But you has been so consistent on your approach this off-season and it showed in-season, my man, you are my beef of the week. Thank God they For the season

What a season for Jordan Davis Thank God they picked up his option, huh? Yes Sheesh. Yeah Yeah I mean They would probably just They would probably franchise him

If not sign him to a long-term deal anyway But yeah So certainly the right decision Which I was critical of at the time And they were absolutely right Kudos to Jordan Davis Who had been a fantastic season All right

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You love to win. you bet with bet parks. Gambling problem call 1-800 gambler. All right, we're back on the P.H.O.Y. Eagles post-game show. Bo Wolf, Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry, Jamie Lynch. And now we head to the Xfinity Mobile call in line and speak to the man who just spoke to the Eagles in the losing locker room for the final time this season.

E.J. Smith, let's hear from your notebook. Uh-oh, you're muted again. I'm not muted. I'm not muted. It was Lindsay. Go ahead. You're not muted. It was not you. So first and foremost, I figured I should set the scene for the Eagles locker room. We get into the locker room, and Jalen Hertz,

dejected Jalen Hertz is walking around the locker with his hands on his hip, shaking his head. As A.J. Brown greets a handful of receivers and tight ends, saying his goodbyes as he walks out of the locker room. He did not speak with reporters. He was dressed by the time that we got in there, made a very quick exit. Yeah, just a really despondent locker room. And it felt like it was still setting in really honestly. that a lot of the things that had plagued them throughout the season really came back to bite them in this game.

Next, I think it's important to update our listeners and viewers that Nick Siriani said after the game that there will be time to evaluate everything when asked about Kevin Petullo's future as the Eagles offensive coordinator. He did not want to answer anything definitively when it comes to Petulow. A lot of players gave Kevin Petulow a vote of confidence after this game. But yeah, no, nothing definitive from Nick Siriani. And then finally, I thought that this quote from Joe, Jordan Milato was really a good encapsulation of what's gone on with the Eagles offense over the course of the season.

He just said that it finally just dawned on them that they weren't a good team this year. And I think specifically on offense, I think that it rings true that a lot of the issues that, you know, they were maybe a little bit more willing to explain away or say they were close to fixing. You know, he said that they just never really were able to figure those things out. So, yeah, those are the things that stood out from the locker room. I definitely have a lot more that we can get into. But, yeah, those three things really stood out to me in the, in my.

notebook here. All right. Well, let's let's start with Nick and you have been in a lot of these press conferences. What, what is your read on, you know, what is what is coming after the way that he answered that question about Kevin Petullo? Yeah, I mean, I'd be surprised if Kevin Pasillo's back his offensive coordinator at this point. I don't know if it'll happen quickly, if it will be the type of thing that drags out. But honestly, they're going to need to be active in finding a replacement if they do decide to move on from him. And I think it's hard to envision a scenario in which you could talk yourself into him coming back. I mean, I think that argument probably starts with continuity and the value that that might have Jalen Hertz.

But I do think that when you look at the way the Eagles offense performed, I think it's, I think the one thing I want to say is that it doesn't seem like it's going to be quite that simple. You know, if it's a different offensive coordinator next season, I think there's still a lot of components and, you know, a lot of the main characters on this offense that will make it a tough needle to thread. But I do think when you look at it, this is the easiest lever to pull. And I think it makes sense that they would do that. Does anybody in the organization have ties to Brian Daible? Yes, Nick Siriani does. Jalen Hertz does. So they definitely have those touch points if they

if they want them. Yeah. Okay. Tell us a little bit more about the locker room, E.J. What was what was the mood from guys? And when you hear someone say, we weren't a very good team, what do you take from that? Yeah, I mean, it was an emotional locker room. I think that, This is what stood out most. Dallas Goddard was very clearly emotional after the game, as was Devante Smith. Dallas gotter said when he caught that pass on that fourth down late in the game, he was convinced that they were going to win the game.

So he was a little shell-shocked afterward. Didn't want to talk too much about his future. You know, I think we'll get that later, or, you know, honestly, early next week. But, yeah, Devante Smith, you could just kind of see it in his face, like the pain of losing. This is a guy who's obviously incredibly competitive, has won a lot in his career. And you could really see it, like I said,

kind of written all over his face. as he answered questions, the frustration that was kind of readily apparent there. So, you know, an emotional locker room, we heard from Landon Dickerson. I thought what he said was one of the more eyebrow-raising things, you know, talking about his health. You know, he said he played through a lot this season. And, you know, I asked him, like, you know, Landon is a guy who has played through a lot of injuries in his career. You know, he's played through torn ACLs, you know, come back from torn ACLs, serious ankle injuries. You obviously, you know, he's had the meniscus all this year, played through injury last year as well.

I asked him how this season compared and he said, I mean, are we in overtime? Can I curse? Yeah. Okay, he said it was shitty, you know, and he was very terse about it. The thing that was concerning to me was, you know, him saying he's not sure if he's going to make a full recovery in this off season, you know, ask about if he was confident

that he'd be able to return to that level of play. He said, if I knew that at him, I'd feel a whole lot better. So definitely, you know, some long-term concern there. This is a guy who's dealt with a lot of injury. And I just, I don't know, maybe it's like him being a realist, but it did stand out to me that he, because he's been somebody who's played through and made it back from some serious injuries in the past.

Did, was he asked whether he feels like in retrospect, time off would have done him good? No, he wasn't. I think that would be a good question for locker room clean out. He was pretty short on everything today, though. So, you know, he said that he felt like he really let his team down this season with the way that he played. But I think, again, it's pretty understandable from an outsider's perspective,

what he had to go through to play this season. What did you make of the AJ situation? Yeah, no, I mean, listen, AJ not talking after the game. He's not doing himself any favors in this, you know, with the way that the game went, obviously had the costly drop on third down. I thought there was some, sorry Vinny to bring this up, but there was some irony and Alshon Jeffrey being in attendance for that drop, but obviously Dallas Goder kind of bails him out the next play there.

But no, he didn't hear from AJ. Nick said that they're, you know, these, they're both emotional. It was just an emotional moment on the sideline. Nick said that they've been through every emotion possible together, right? You know, happiness, sadness, screaming at each other. But, I mean, it's definitely, you know, depending on how this offseason goes, that exchange could be part of the lasting image of, you know,

what could be AJ's last season with the Eagles. It's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, no, I mean, it's just crazy that we, it's crazy and not crazy that we found ourselves here. Because in one vein, it's obviously the most expensive offense in the NFL. You look at the talent that they have.

It shouldn't have been this hard for this group. You know, we said it all season. It never needed, it never should have been this difficult for them to string together drives and put up points, you know. But at the same time, you know, Jordan Milotta said afterward, like he's tired of saying the same thing. He felt like he said the same thing every week because the issues that plagued them in this game were the issues that plagued them in week nine and week 11 and week 14 and week 18 or not week 18, week 17. Yeah. So these have been issues. You know, Jalen Hertz said in October,

but some things don't get you until they get you, and they got the Eagles offense tonight. You know, the issues that we saw all season really caught up to them. And I think that, you know, you saw them coming to grips with that after the game. One of those issues, which played them all season, was an inability to get plays in on time. They had to waste the time out on fourth down before the final offensive play of the game. E.J., what did Nick say about that?

Yeah, so he said that that was about setting up a good play. wasn't, you know, trying to avoid a delay of game penalty. It was it was about getting a look against that 49ers defense. And I do, I mean, I guess I would say, you know, the heat of coming out of the locker room hearing from people, I'll be curious to hear what you guys say. I sort of understand the logic of, you know, this is probably your best chance to win the game.

But at the same time, it obviously costs them a chance to get the ball back. I think in the context of what the Eagles' offenses look like, the getting the ball back with potentially 20 seconds, whatever it would have been, Yeah. Probably not a high percentage chance, but yeah, that was his explanation. It wasn't to avoid a penalty. It was because they wanted to get a look and see what the 49ers were in defensively.

Yeah, I think it was a bad move, but I think it was not the worst move they made on that drive. I thought it was just. And as Fran pointed out, like a season of wasting chances to run a two-minute drill came back to vital. They didn't know what they were doing. Absolutely. Absolutely. No, you know, Nick said after the game, just piggybacking off of like things that we've seen from them all year.

Nixon after the game and he didn't feel like they were conservative in the second half. I mean, maybe you don't, maybe the word isn't conservative, but you see some of these decisions to run on second and long. So many second down runs. Unbelievable. And first down runs. You know, Jordan Milata said after just a few minutes ago, like the 49ers started to really key in on the Eagles run game.

They started loading a safety end of the box, making committing bodies into the run game. And it's like, I understand that these guys say it's an ex-executive. issue. But at the same time, at some point, the predictability on early downs, you know, the obsession with being on schedule that we've heard from Kevin but still all season, that caught up to them today, you know, because of the fact that teams can key in, you know, on what the Eagles do, especially in those first down runs and some of those second and long situations where they're just

not aggressive. So, again, it's a philosophical thing. And I think that something will unpack in the coming weeks is whether or not, like, a change in offensive coordinator changes the fact that you've got a head coach and a quarterback who are wired that way. But I do think, again, like these are things we talked about all season. It is confounding that they weren't able to fix them. Here's a quick little stat for you on that front. On first and second down in this game, in the first three quarters, so before, you know, they had a chance, they really had to pass.

First three quarters, first and second down, they ran the ball 60% of the time. That's the second highest rate of the season for them, besides the Raiders game, which they won 31-0. That's how they approached this game. It's funny because in the first quarter, when they got the run game going, I thought, is this going to be a curse at the end of the game or in the second half of the game if they start to struggle because of the fact that it felt like they were really committed

to what they got going in the first half? And, you know, I mean, it's stuff we talked about all year. It's feel for a game. It's kind of reading a situation out. They didn't do a good enough job with that. So, no, I think that they need to make change. just go on the coaching staff, but I also think, honestly, I think they need to look hard at the offensive line

and probably have to make some tough decisions on guys because I think that if you're going to move forward with Nick Siriani and Jaylen, which I think you do, you have to have a dominant offensive line to make it work. Philosophically, we saw what it looks like when you don't have that high-level play up front. Any other plays in particular from this game, E.J., that will live with you as the season heads to the off-season.

It's a good question. None jump out to me. I'm sure if I look through my notes, I've got plays in bold. I guess really the thing that stood out to me the most is after Quineon Mitchell's first interception, the fact that they weren't able to capitalize on that. Unbelievable. Next time. Yeah.

Yeah, three and out after that. And then the second one to only get three points out of it. What was it, like a 10 play, 23-yard drive or something like that? Yeah. To get in the field goal range. Yeah. So I think those two, you know, because especially Nick Siriani, Harps so much on winning the turnover battle and you know how that determined how the

eagle what the Eagles record is in those games but you saw that that only works if you're capitalizing on those turnovers if you're aggressive off of those turnovers and the Eagles clearly weren't so you know it's it's like though to me that stands out the most I know there will be other plays but for me like I think that the fact that they weren't an opportunistic offense they really weren't like you know go back to what Jordan Mila said they weren't a good offense this year they weren't a good brute and it's just confounding when you look at the amount of talent that they had. The one that's going to kill me, E.J.,

was the Cam Juergens penalty after the Big Jalen Hertz run because it just seemed like they were about to walk into the end zone there. Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely. You know, I didn't get a great look or I didn't get a good replay on the Jumbo Tron of that holding call, but yeah, no, I mean, they had the, and like, I just, a lot of players talked about penalties after the game, but I just, a lot of offenses go through penalties. It feels like there's just something about this group that when they do,

get behind the sticks, they just put their heads down or they tuck tail and they just like, you know, they wave the white flag in a way that just does, it defies what they, the players that they have. And when you pound your chest about attention to detail as one of your, you know, carrying factors, I'm sorry. They've, they've been, they've been bad at attention to detail all season long. They've had terrible penalties that have waylaid them. They've had, like, you know, bad decision making. They've been really bad in game management stuff. Like, I'm sorry, just because you say it doesn't make it true.

Yeah, no, I mean, there are definitely a handful of instances tonight where I'm thinking, like, I wonder what Jeffrey Lurie must be thinking watching this unfold of some of the decision making. And that's another part of like players will say it's execution. Because again, players are really defensive of Kevin Bethulow tonight. And I understand why. But, you know, at some point, like a lack of execution could be on the coaching staff as well. You know, at some point, it's like, were you drilling this during the week?

Because we've seen these guys play at a high level. I don't know if it's as easy to say. Like, they just stop playing at a high level. I think it's bigger than that. And again, I don't, I said this before, E.J., but I, I, to not, this, I don't believe that this is all Kevin Petulow's fault, obviously. But I do think at this point, it would be, it would be cruel to Kevin Petulow to keep him here in the same position. Yeah, no, I think that that's fair.

I mean, you know, he has been the antagonist. for a lot of fans and been under a lot of scrutiny. You know, and I, like, I want to make it clear for, like, our viewers. Like, you know, I cover the guy every week and I, he's not a bad guy, you know. He's a, you know, nice guy. I like him. So, yeah, exactly. Yeah.

So it's, I agree with you. I think that, you know, some of the criticism this season has been out of hand. But, you know, obviously the thing that happened with his house, you know, people throwing eggs in his house. Like, that stuff is obviously, you know, it's obviously terrible right and it's uh but i do think at the end of a season like this it's it's about accountability and it's about figuring out how they fix it and i do think that he's part of how they fix it all right a j uh before i ask you what you're going to write about how will

you what what is your sort of epitaph on the 2025 eagle season how will you remember this group i'm going to remember this group for a lot of what we just spent 10 minutes talking about you know it's like sometimes i feel bad when i come on with you guys because it's like man i really talked to most of the offensive guys that in the year from the defensive guys quite as much, but it's like we spent months trying to make sense of what was going on with that side of the ball. And I think that, you know, when I look back at this season, it's going to be a wasted year because of that group. You know, the Eagles defense played at such a high level, even tonight. Like, you know, obviously they had some shaky moments, but they really tried to will this team

over the finish line in the same way that they did for most of the second half of the year. But at some point that Eagles offense, the issues that plagued them, the issues that they could not figure out. I think that's really what's going to stand out for me looking back on this year. So, you know, again, they got to figure they got to get it fixed because I still think they're going to have a lot of talent in the in the short to medium term here. But I don't know. It's going to be a difficult fix, in my opinion, to get this offense back on track. E.J. I asked Bo, how many turkeys are you putting on A.J. Brown wearing a different uniform next year? Yeah, honestly, probably like, I think I said 65 before we went in the locker rooms.

I think I'd keep it around 65. You know, I don't want to overreact to, like, AJ saying his goodbyes and leaving hastily out of the locker room, but I just think that, you know, the way that this season has gone for him, you know, I remember having a conversation with a midseason where he said it's, you know, I'm starting out to care anymore. I think it, I don't know,

it might be a natural time for both sides to benefit from, you know, a divorce here. And it's crazy to say that, you know, he's a great player. And the Eagles are not usually in the business of trading a great player like that. you know, with the way that this year went, I wouldn't be surprised if he wanted to leave. And, you know, I think the Eagles might need to reimagine what they are offensively anyway. All right.

If you are with us this deep into the PHLI Eagles postgame show, a reminder that we are live every weekday at 2 o'clock talking birds. There's obviously going to be a lot to talk about over the next week, over the next coming months. But you should also become a diehard. And now is the best chance to do it. You can get a deal for $36 for the whole year to read E.J. Smith's coverage of the Eagles, the coverage from the guys on the Sixers and the Flyers. You also get access to Fran Duffy's draft guide, which is unbelievable, detailed reports on everybody in the draft as we turn our attention there.

But tomorrow morning, you'll be able to read E.J. Smith writing about this game, what will we, what will we be able to read? Trying to make sense of how the Eagles season ended here. You know, I think that it happened fast. Like you talking about draft season, just like I can't believe that we are officially in draft season, you know, and I obviously, we've got. got probably some news to sort out over the next couple of days. But no, I think it's just going to be about, you know, how the Eagles got here and where

do they go from here. All right. E.J., thank you so much for joining us on the Xfinity mobile call in line. See on the show tomorrow at 2 o'clock. All right, guys. Talk to it. It's a great job this year, E.J. Okay.

We've got a bunch more super chance to get to. Dan Arlofski just tweeted, man, this Eagles, offensive game tape is bad, but it's not all on the coaching. Okay. There you go. Just an observation from a film grinder. We've also got more sound from the locker room to bring you guys. So let's do Jordan Milata.

Let's start with that. And then we'll get to some superchance. We've also got Jordan Davis and Reed Blankenship coming your way. But let's hear from the left tackle first. I think right now, just as a playout, same story. Early penalties, shooting itself in the foot. then execution down the guys

whether it'd be me or someone else just one block away same story every week but it's pretty much I'll sign up just from the gatego just the same thing super frustrating. There's no other way to play

so all right we're going to take a quick break here our last break the bulldog in there getting the good good up front spot there with Jordan. He's doing a great job. Handsome Rich. PHO Eagles Postgame Show.

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It is disappointing that they were able to come in and get the win. Ugh. Yeah. The fake toughness pregame. Yeah. Now you've got to hear Kyle Shanahan offensive genius. Robert Salah of any. I mean, who?

Kyle Shanahan. I think it stinks a little bit, guys, because we actually had that shit. I mean, we actually had that game one. Yeah. Like. I thought they were the better team for the majority of the game. Are you kidding?

Yeah. now you know it's like one of those bad breakups that you don't want to happen come on man you want some defensive snap counts oh boy favorite part of the show yeah only 58 plays according to true media for the defense all of them by zach bonn reblankenship nickeby dean and cooper de jean and quinine mitchell 57 from marcus epps and jaylon carter so Jalen Carter played all but one snap of this game. Jalen Phillips 51. Morrow Ojima 38.

Adory Jackson, 36, because they were in base a good amount. Jordan Davis, 29, 28 for Nolan Smith and Jalick's Hunt, 11 for Byron Young, 7 for BG, three for Michael Carter, who had a specialized role of being like the man-coverage guy on third down a couple times, and then one each for Sidney Brown, Keely Ringo, and Jihad Campbell. Must have been at the end of the game. It felt like a whole lot more than 58.

Yeah, I think most of them were in the second half. Man, what a crap game. Some superchats. And again, we have Reed Blankenship and Jordan Davis video coming your way here. Zane Penny is back. He says, if we get a new head coach and new OC, would AJ not stay? He also says, with the team that we have, anyone would have the best record, Nick isn't anything special.

I think that is a little unfair to Nick. I think Nick should be proud of his accomplishments. But the question is not, did Nick do a good job over the past four years? The question is, is Nick the best guy for the team now? And that's the thing that Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman have to answer.

I'm going to be fascinated by this OC search. I mean, it's a definite. Like, I don't... I think it would be hard. I don't see any scenario where Kevin Fitzhullo is back. Human dialogue. They were in perfect position to repeat. Elite defense, healthy team,

and unproven competition in the playoffs will never forgive Nick for that hire. Cori Sito, AJ pulled an Alshan with Alshan in the building. Yeah. I think that's unfair to Alshan. Yeah, it is unfair to Alshan. You don't know if you were definitely going to win that game.

Sam G., does Jalen get off easy due to the poor coaching and play calling? He didn't look good tonight, most of the season. I mean, I agree that this was probably Jalen's worst season since 2021. I did see a stat, though. It's funny that if you're saying

that it's probably his worst season, but he's not really throwing the ball that much. That's true. And I think those things go hand in hand. Yeah. Because when he start cooking, he start cooking. Yeah. There's a stack going around about the drops. I think he'd more. I think they had four

or three third down drops today, more than they had all season on third down. Yeah, I think some of those are. I mean, they're counting the AJ 1 down the sideline, which is, I guess, technically, a drop. It's a play he kind of makes more often than not, I would say. There's the Devante one, which I don't know if I would count that as a drop either.

I have the AJ 1. The A.J. one was definitely a drop. That was the one over the middle. That was definitely a drop. Seque had a drop, remember, on a little swing pass. Yeah. Yeah. Ugh.

All right. We have more super chats, but let's go back to the locker room. Let's do read Blankenship, our compatriot here at PHOI, who may have played his last game as an eagle because he is scheduled to be a free agent. Yeah, I mean, it's tough going out like this. Yeah, I mean, like I said, I love these dudes. No, we're doing the best.

And so abruptly, how hard is that? When you look around this year and see you guys, having everyone all your teammates, knowing this for the most likely whole state the same. Yeah. This is one of the toughest things about football and about life. You go through the challenges throughout the year, training, you know, whatever. You know, create these relationships, these bonds.

And, you know, it's getting so fast. You're not really prepared for it. It's tough. It sucks. But, you know, that's football and it's life. You know, it's going to learn from this. What happened? What was your interpretation of holding penalty? Yeah, I should never help help them.

I thought it was really late. But I think that I just got to be better at doing that and be better at the job. Yes, all year long have been very successful in limiting sports and red zone defense. So what do you see there? Yeah, they just made more plays than we did. You know, we knew it was no good challenge coming in here. you know, congrats them for making the plays and taking the opportunities.

Did you take me through the reverse touchdown? Yeah, we knew that, I mean, it would like to do some sort of trickery down in the red zone. And we're just in a different call that, you know, that a lot of them just to sneak through, you know, and things started going, whatever, which way in front of you and stuff. You've got to find your man.

trying to be better, try to play with our eyes, and just take that playing away. All right, back on the P.H.L.Y. Eagles post-game show, and I would say one thing that we hope you get out of us here is the community, and it's nice to be able to go through the loss like this with other people feeling the same way.

So I want to shout out a very generous super chat from our friend Grace, Grace Min. who says, this year felt like the thing sports movies are made of. Maybe I'm clouded by the fact that you guys put such a human voice and narrative into this thing. We all love called football. Love all the PHLY crew. We all we got. We all we need.

Vinny, your haircut is fly. Ah, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you, Grace. Thank you, Grace. Yeah, that's awesome, Grace. We were happy to watch such a devastating loss alongside many of you today. and to be here to react with you, it's why we do it. You know, we're in this together.

And sometimes it's great, and sometimes you want to puke on set. And today's one of those days, I just want to vomit everywhere because of the Eagles offense. But a community like this helps us get through it together. Vinny, how did you feel about jailing going with We All We Got We All We Need? I loved it, man. I was hoping to bring some luck, man. It would have been even going on it. I'm not a lie.

I already had what I was going on. to open it up. What a waste. Oh, man. Super chat from Go Phillies, who says Jalen stunk this year. Joseph Lynch says, let's eulogize this season like a samurai would in haiku.

Kevin Petulow will not last long with the birds. Eagles offense stunk. You know, I have to say this could be a cousin Joe because I've been recently diving into some family history and the family tree. I've been going deep. Turns out there's some Joseph Lynch's in the family tree that we have not met or like in the Philadelphia area. Cozen Joe.

So it could be cousin Joe. Cousin Joe has another generous. Cousin Joe. Cousin Joe. Thanks P. H.O. White crew for a great season of coverage. Cousin Joe. Cousin Joe. Cousin Joe.

Cousin Joe. The Flyers Man says if Howie and Lurie hired Siriani to be a puppet for them, Siriani followed their example in hiring someone to be his puppet. Funny how that works out. Slophead go birds. Let me be frank. Slop-ed go-birds. This O was a whack and a stank, was a whack and a stank.

Stank-thank. This is some doughboys terminology there. Slop-ed-go-birds. E-American. Can we stop calling it Siri on his record and start saying it's the player's record? Can't wait to be told about the intricacies I cannot understand. Well, here's a thing you need to know, E. American. There's more to be a coach than just the players.

It's about the culture you create. All that stuff. Okay. Flowers and watering. Beer drinker 92. Rumpelmans isn't helping me with this pain. Send AJ to the Pats. He's a bum, cries till he gets his 1,000,

and then doesn't catch a ball. I hope Atulow leaves football off together. He's a crumbum. Crumbum's a great Philadelphia slang. Brendan Martin, do you think AJ will be here next year? It does feel like the Pats is likely. He wants to be there. I don't think good guy

Stefan Diggs is going to stick around? Definitely sticking around there. Better football player than guy. Cori Sito. Scored 16 and a half points per game in the last two games against Sala. Robert Sala. If any no comment.

I mean, tonight I think it's a similar to fire that Tala would be a head coach who will be a head coach who then. You think so? Yeah. Yeah. Dude Man, Dude Man. Turkeys, we lose AJ and Dallas. us.

45. Dude man, dude man. I'm up at like 90%, 90% for that one. Oh, both? Well, that's the combination of both of them is putting it down to 45. I think it's, I think, yeah, it's close. Dylan, this is the problem

of the just win mentality of Siriani. We had obvious problems all season long, but couldn't make changes because we were winning. Amen. This is why you harp on process over results. It is why a lot of the season was spent with disconnect between the people who are talking about the team

and the insularity inside because, yeah, we're winning. We don't have to fix anything. No, when it's on the line and you're doing the same things you've been doing all season long, it's going to bite you. And it bit them.

I mean, the run-first mentality, the lack of aggression, the not leaning into the strengths of your players, the focus on just being conservative, all of that stuff came back to bite them today. You want another Dan Orlovsky tweet that speaks to that? Sure. Philly ran 10 plays on its final offensive series.

They ran the same exact play slash copied a previous play from that drive on four different occasions. So four of the 10 plays were just completely, that had already been called. Unoriginal, just sloc. With the game and the season on the line. Yeah. You just repeat yourself four out of ten plays.

Disgusting. You should be embarrassed. Mike Pachione with a nice generous generation. Hey, that's my friend Mike from Oregon. What up, Mike? Dinkleberg. It breaks my heart that this was likely A.J. Brown's last game as an eagle and his time in Philly will be remembered by many fans

by his relationship with Hertz, a live stream with Janky Rondo, and drops against the charge. charges and nineers. I do think that this is a case where with a little bit of distance, we'll feel better and appreciate that this is the team that won the Super Bowl last year. But right now it's okay to. I mean, last year certainly helps.

I'd be in a much worse place if February didn't happen. So like that is a nice pillow to go lay down on it night. But yeah, this one sucks. Dude Man wants to know how Lindsay is spelled. it is with an A-Y. Yes. She is A-Y. I need a graphic for Lindsay time regardless.

Also, Julia is a boss. Damn right. L.B. Nick can't play call scheme, implement an overall offensive philosophy, game-manage, higher, or control his emotions. What does he bring to the table?

Tommy, can that catch the ball himself too? All right, let's go to Jordan Davis in the locker room with some perspective on his breakout season and a great year for the defense. We'll come back with some more super chats. Any final thoughts we've got, and then we'll let you wallow away. Yeah, coming in here, we're just seeing the guys, you know, obviously nobody can't yourself like this,

but I think it was important for everybody to know how much that I love them, how much that we love, program, organization, to bond and we built this year. And, you know, we had our best amount with family's life. And, you know, we came better because of it. And not only just knowing that the guy is in this one, just not the same going forward to make sure. I think that's what hurts the most is that, you know,

it's going to be some faces that we want to see. And that's just a unfortunate way that we had to end up. You know, we always want to make sure that we reach the highest highs and we reach the highest peak. But, you know, when you fall short like this, it's important to know that, you know, no matter where we want to go, the things that we learned this year, the lessons that we know this year, the love that we shared, it's a, it's invaluable. So, you know, emotionally wise, you know, everybody's feeling it.

I'm not sure, you know, we watched a film. Everybody's going to have a different emotion, you know, just a feeling of regret. Unfortunately, you know, it's just the way it's chance. It seems like every game, you see those defense gave this team a chance to win. How much are you proud of this unit? So proud. So proud. I think that's one thing that, you know, I choose the focus on.

Just the guys, the mentality, the way that we work, the love the way, the joy that we share, making practice, meetings, everything. It was a joy to be in feeling. It was a joy to be a part of the season. I'm just glad that I had just the opportunity to just wait this and be a part of it. And I think this is just something that we have to keep the torch going into the next year. Everybody who's part of it understands, you know, especially as I wanted last year, understands how much and what it takes.

And I think that's just motivated us to go into next year. and getting the ground running, starting high, finish a hotter area. All right. Back on P.HL. Yago's podcast, great year for Jordan Davis. He should be proud of the defense that they had this season. Unfortunately, not enough. Sharp glasses. Yeah, it looks good.

Alec Williams. I think T.O. will be thought of more highly than A.J. Brown in 20 years. Maybe just an emotional take, but he delivered in the Super Bowl, and A.J. never really had a playoff moment and was awful today. I think I disappear with that AJ's got jewelry Yeah Two Super Bowl appearances

Yeah Yeah I think I think I think I think I think AJ can be very proud of the Eagles career Four seasons that he had here Yeah Yeah

It's a shame it's probably not gonna last longer Brandon Extra That four years went by five It did didn't it I just remember I was in Vegas Because it was the draft out in Vegas When the trade went down And

I mean talk about a state of shock and euphoria yeah. Wow. Nobody really saw that one coming. Brandon Extra. Nick getting an AJ's face is the last straw for me. After a mistake, sure, chew him out, but trying hard on a difficult play and doesn't get it,

go talk him up, type of dude to join ice. I'm all out until he's fired. I, that was too far. He ran. Like, that was not very coach-like. Yeah, I don't know what happened. hoping he went to go yell at the refs.

That's what I would have thought. But like if he ran to go get in AJ's face about something, that's a horrible look. Yeah, I mean, if that's what it is, my thought is it would be something like Nick has talked to AJ about not calling for PI more. Like, we've talked about this. He does not fight for it.

he doesn't ask for a flag, which I think is to his credit. But there are times when he could probably lean into that more and probably would earn a call. And so if that's something that they have, he has tried to coach him up on and he didn't do it on that play. And he's like, he's all fired up about it. It's not the way that he should handle it. No. But that's possible. Sure.

That would make sense. I mean, AJ's so good. The only way to stop him, Vinny, as you said, it's kind of like PI him sometimes. And he's so good that he feels. Like the hackishack. Remember the hackish? Yeah. Yeah.

I think it's more likely that it was at first a misunderstanding, and then they're both just two dogs going at each other. But they were nose to nose. Yeah. Like, that was not a good look. Yeah, and they... Try on the big dog for getting in between that. A couple catches, too.

Brendan Ekstrom, Howie works so hard creating an amazing roster, then hands it over to a rookie play caller. Blew my mind when it happened and blew the whole season. Kyle Rem, how can Howie and Jeff be one of the most aggressive duos, and Nick is one of the most conservative coaches? That doesn't mesh at all. I think that is a real conversation.

He is regress in his aggression, right? Yes, no doubt. Like, he used to be more aggressive. No doubt. That change needs to be studied. Brendan Martin, do you all think Juergens should be cut? He's been awful this year. He's had a bad year, but cut,

contract makes that impossible. Big A.D. Snapping the ball with less than five seconds on the clock, terrible. It's funny because I thought in the first like three quarters of this game, they were doing a better job of getting to the line. And sometimes it was still clicking down, but it was like they were actually able to be at the line and let all the moving parts happen.

And then, you know, push come to shove, they were doing the exact same thing again. I felt like in the first half, it was a lot of audible going on. Second half, it was not too much communication. And that's what I got back to the, two seconds, two seconds. To France point about they just, like, after the opening script, they were lost. Yes.

Yeah. And Shelton with a nice, generous super chat. Shelton. I appreciate that. All right, guys. We're at the end of the road. Is this the end of the road? Girl, I can't let go.

I know one thing. They better make a splash in that draft, but the draft being the Pennsylvania. 23rd in Pittsburgh You need the Frant Duffy draft guide Now we turn our attention To the end of Uh-oh

You queued up Bo to sing, Vinny You didn't even know what you were doing Yeah, you know what it is AJ, please don't go Something unpredictable But in the end is right And I hope you have the time

of your life I don't know. Oh, Finney, what a year. What a year. What a year. So much change is coming. That's for sure. What a bummer.

I mean, make a move quick. Getting this OC hunt. Go get somebody qualified. Don't waste any time. We all know what the move is. Who are we kidding? It's happening. Just do it quick and go get somebody good and competent.

What are your final thoughts, Finney? Final thoughts is Game of Inches We was there And now it's time to regroup Take a deep breath And we got to You know

The front office is going to make Splashes all season A couple splashes I ain't going to say a splash A couple splashes is off season And then you know This time Next year we're going to be high-fiving

That's my That's the way it is You know What was it I missed Got a wild card We lost Super Bowl. Yeah.

Got a little pattering going on here. That means Super Bowl around next year. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, that's right. Every other year. Yeah, you know, so. I can live with that agreement. All right, everybody.

Thank you very much. What a season. The Eagles, a fun year at times. At times. A very enjoyable defense to watch. A very frustrating offense to watch all season long. We thank you for, being with us at any point over the course of the season. Make sure that you join us for the long

off season. We'll have you covered from every angle. Thank you to everybody for joining us tonight. Thank you, Lindsay. Thank you, Julia. Thank you, Ethan. Also known as intern. Thank you, Ben. Thanks, everybody else. Yeah, he finally got his own slack. It's a big deal. You guys don't understand. I think he's got an email, too. He's got his own name. It's so good. Thank you, Vinny. Thank you, Jamie. Thank everybody else who helped us out all season long. We will talk to you tomorrow at 2 o'clock.

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