PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles OC Search Continues: Josh Grizzard in the mix & and Joe Brady a new possibility?

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

The Eagles’ search for a Kevin Patullo replacement continues as Howie Roseman and Nick Sirianni look to find the right person to lead Jalen Hurts, Saquon Barkley, DeVonta Smith and (maybe) A.J. Brown. Ex-Bucs OC Josh Grizzard is new to the list, as is Bobby Slowik, adding to the list including Brian Daboll, Mike Kafka and more. Plus, Michael Clay is back as Eagles special teams coordinator after a flirtation with the Bucs. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast on a Monday afternoon, live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley Bo Wolf Eagles Insider, E.J. Smith, here to talk ball. E.J., how you doing? I'm doing well. Is there a lore with this shirt that I'm missing? I said I like the shirt. There is some lore with this shirt. Oh, no. What's the lore? It's not worth getting into just yet. Okay. All right. Fair enough. I think it looks nice for the record. Thank you very much. And yeah, I'm excited for this week of shows. I had fun last week. And, yeah, I'm excited to talk through some offensive coordinators.

All right. Much to come on the show today. We're going to talk through some of the developments in the offensive coordinator search. Another opening has occurred, which is complicating matters for the Eagles potentially. We'll talk about the return of Michael Clay. And you are going to unveil the worst take than anybody has ever had. We'll get to that, save it. But let's talk first about the playoffs.

As you, I don't know how you are, but I feel like when I'm watching these games, games over the weekend. Usually there are some things that occur to me that I have not really thought about and it puts Eagles things in different perspective. Was there anything like that for you? There were two things that stood out to me. The first thing is just how much of a missed opportunity this season was for the Eagles. Because the way the NFC has fallen, the best version of this year's Eagles team wins almost

all of these matchups more often than not, I would say. Well, what best version? A version that we've seen? A version where the offense is playing up to its potential. I mean, just to say, well, obviously, yes, no, let me be clear. Let me be clear. The actual Eagles this year don't win these matches. You saw what happened with the 49ers.

Of course, yeah. The way that the Eagles played, especially in the second half of the season, you can't make an argument that they should be at this stage of the postseason. But a version where the offense is functional, they should absolutely have been able to make a run this year. Just in terms of talent, like the games aren't played on paper. on paper the Eagles should be still in the playoffs and this really does feel like a field

that they could have navigated if, again, we're living in a hypothetical scenario here if the offense was functional. Yeah, I don't think that's crazy. I think that, I don't know, it's just like, last year I guess they didn't have a hardest path. I think it's a little disrespectful to, I think the Seahawks are a very good team.

Like I don't know that the Eagles would necessarily beat the Seahawks even if they had their, you know, mediocre offense instead of a bad offense. I think if this Eagles offense was average. I'm not so sure that they beat the Rams, but the Rams did not play particularly well in that game of spares. The Rams aren't quite the juggernaut through the postseason that I expected to be.

I'm less impressed with the AFC teams, but yeah. I'm talking more about getting to the superlety. You're absolutely right that the general prevailing sentiment for the Eagles internally should be we really missed a big opportunity. Yeah. Again, ever since Dana has talked about the urgency to repeat and what that means in historical. significance. It felt like it was right there for the Eagles, but yeah, they just never got out of

their own way. So that was my first big takeaway. The second big takeaway was the quarterback play was terrible. Oh my God. CJ Stroud is such an enemy to me right now. Really? Oh, is it because of the game? Well, you know, I made it through the whole year of Survivor. I made it through the whole season of Survivor. Then it turns into pick a game against the spread. Week one, took the Texans and felt felt very good about that against the Steelers. This week, all week long, I'm taking the Seahawks. I know the Seahawks are going to blow out the Niners. This is an easy seven-point spread, feeling good about it.

And then they got spooked. I got spooked by the darnald stuff. And I couldn't pull a trigger. I took the Texans over the Patriots instead. And if CJ Strategist those two picks, they probably win that game. Yeah. And some of the worst decision-making in the pocket I've ever seen anybody make. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those games where the protection up front clearly has a real impact on the quarterback and then they just go absolute bozo moment for the rest of the game.

Awful stuff. You see it happen at times. But to me, I just, especially like with the context of the way that last week ended with conversations around Jalen Hertz's internal frustration, it's scary out there, guys. Not having a quarterback that you are confident you can win with. it is a more treacherous landscape than I think people give it credit for and I think that sometimes in Philadelphia like we've talked about how even internally this organization can build these guys up just to tear them back down it's hard to find quarterbacks that you're confident going into a playoff game you can win with them

and obviously Jalen Hertz did not have a great season last year or this last season he did not play in a way where you can feel convicted about that in the short term but having a quarterback that you know it's proven you can win a Super Bowl with, it's hard to find those guys. Don't take it for granted. I don't think that the quarterback played this weekend was, it's not that the quarterbacks themselves are not that bad, but I think it's good context for Josh Allen misses a bunch of throws. And if Jalen Hertz had missed those same throws, it would be a referendum on his entire career.

Yeah, I think, well, that is the nature of like, there are a lot of good quarterbacks in the NFL that have not won Super Bowls. and then the question down becomes like, yes, you can win with them, but why haven't they won? The fact that Jalen Hertz has been unburdened by that, I do think is something that should not be taken for granted. Again, as we talk about the Eagles trying to find the right offensive coordinator, the right fit, to maximize Jalen Hertz. And listen, I've been on, I've been on his podcast talking about how he does have limitations. You have to build things around some of those limitations. But again, you watch the playoffs, that's most quarterbacks.

And it's just, it is a harder thing. like people sometimes when they have like the franchise quarterback they're in they're in like the warm house right like and then sometimes they go oh like you know there's some nitpicks I have here maybe I'll step back out in the cold it's like you don't know the next time you're going to be in that warm house so enjoy it while you're in there all right i like that my take from this weekend is actually less about this weekend but i i remember to bring it up because i think we've talked about this i think all of the talk you hear about oh like you know jalen it's it's going to be hard to find offensive coordinator to work with jailin because

Jalen's hard to work with or all of these things. Do you remember the conversations about Caleb Williams last year? Yeah. At this time. You know, getting thrown under the bus by whoever was a party to the, you know, the Shane Waldron party like this guy can't do anything. You know, he doesn't study. You know, it's a little different when you're talking about a rookie to a second year. There's probably more likely to be a natural bump. Sure. But you saw what a difference good coaching made to him. And I think the same, you know, we talked last week, about like the finger pointing at Jalen, but like the same nitpicking of things about his personality

or his play style. He doesn't want to run this or run that. If the right coach is able to work around those strengths, it can flip very quickly. Yes, absolutely. No, it's well said. I think struggling organizations are often quick to say, oh, this guy's hard to work with.

It's like, I don't know, I think winning absolves a lot of that stuff. Okay. No, it's a really good point. I'd forgotten that Caleb kind of went through the smear campaign. Yeah, just like this, you know, this guy doesn't even want to be a professional football player. I mean, come on. I will, I think I should preface this by saying, like, I have consistently been a huge fan of Caleb Williams. You know, maybe there's something in the tank of the P.H.O.I, you know, archives that never meets all the light of day where I sung the praises.

He was my guy in the draft. Okay. Well, more recently than that, I was. I was right first. That's exactly right. More recently that I sung the praises of Caleb. So I want to say this like as a, I want to make it clear that I'm a big fan of him before I say this. But like he is like the first Gen Z quarterback.

And like I'm rooting for him because of that in a way. You know what I mean? It's like I want. Lindsay, what is going on over there? You didn't have to put her on blast like that. I was going to roll through it. What was that? It sounded like you.

It was you. It was you. It was a clip from the show. It was you going like, oh, yeah. Would you like me to play it again? I don't want to hear it ever again. What even is that from? I don't remember.

It was from like a week ago. I don't know what you were talking about. We need clips from the shows. But no, I'm rooting for him because I want that to work. You know, I want him to succeed. All right, let's get into... Unless he's playing the Eagles. The interesting development that happened today.

And we're going to do it in What's Brewing, presented by our friends at Wawa. So I take a sip here. Maybe we'll do a dual sip here. This will be a great clip for what I'm doing. At Wawa, any sizzly, any hot or iced coffee, and a hash brown for $5 from 5 a.m. to 11 a.m. What's brewing is the bills making a very interesting change, E.J. Sean McDermott out as head coach. And that means potentially that Joe Brady could be available.

as an offensive coordinator candidate. Now, possible that he gets that head coaching job. Yes. Possible he gets a different head coaching job. But if he doesn't get a head coaching job, you know, where would he rank on your, on your stork rank, as it were, of potential candidates? He's right up there.

I mean, he's either one or two for me. I do think, like, you know, he's got a proven. He's no Kingsbury as far as you're concerned. I mean, that's who I am thinking about at the top there. Did you, so, no, what I would say about Joe Brady is that, I mean, he has all of the, he checks the boxes that we kind of laid out a week ago. Bill's offensive coordinator for the last three seasons. Yeah, yeah.

So he's got. Two years in Carolina has won in different ways with that offense. And of course, one shared a plane with me. What plane ride was that? This was back from the senior bowl, I believe, right after, right when he was leaving LSU for Carolina. Okay. Some kind of Penn State connection, I think there was. Did you talk to him?

Didn't talk to him? Are you? Someone else went up to him. and said, are you Joe Brady? Oh, really? Yes. Are you the type of guy that likes to come up and go up and talk to a guy? Absolutely not.

Well, I mean, you know, what if they're sitting like across from you? Maybe. I sat across from... I am almost always going to not bother the person. I sat next to a high-ranking Eagles front office executive one year on the way to the combine. Yeah? Like, he was high-ranking enough that I was surprised that he wasn't on the team charter to the combine. Okay.

Maybe he had a different schedule. It's actually like, it's nice because, you know, you get some face time with the person, but it's also like, do you want to sit next to somebody like that for like a three-hour flight? You know what I mean? Like, because you don't want to talk to them. You don't want to talk to them more than they want to talk to you. Right. But then you also kind of being next to somebody that is like, you know, kind of by extension is hard on a plane

because you feel like you have to be like on the whole time. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe. I would be wary of falling asleep because you like don't want to snow. Oh, I wouldn't fall asleep. Yeah, no, absolutely not. That's what I'm talking about. Like, I would, I just, like, you're more mindful, like, what am I about to do on my phone?

What am I about to watch on my iPad? You have to be more mindful. You don't want to do anything on professional. That's true. I guess that's what is. You're trying to be more professional than you normally would be on a flight. You're going to keep your contacts hidden and who you're texting? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So. This is downstream. Well, I wouldn't bother the person as downstream. stream of my, my biggest failing as a reporter is I just don't like to bother people. Yeah, I'm aware that I'm being a nuisance and it makes me not want to reach out to the people. Have we talked about this on the show before that it's like there's like a scatter chart or, you know, the bar chart, whatever chart, Dana's and those charts aren't my game here. True.

It's like, one on one side you have to be imposing to be a good reporter and on the other side you have to be like determined, right? And you have to find the right balance between I know I'm bothering. this person, but I'm so determined that I'm just going to do it anyway, or you're, like, oblivious to how imposing you are. And, like, that's actually sometimes a superpower. You have to not really care about social niceties. Yeah, unless you're someone, and I'll give, let me, who am I going to give this shout out to? Jordan Rodriguez, unless you just got, like, a super personality, like, where you could talk to

anybody, and, like, they would never be tired of talking to you because you're so nice. I don't have a funny Jordan story that maybe I'll say for a Super Bowl weekend. And we'll have her on and I'll tell you why I continue to be very embarrassed about a conversation that we had. I'm excited to hear that now. There's a tease for you. Jordan's great. But yeah, Joe Brady, he checks a lot of the boxes that we talked about in terms of scheme versatility, has coached elite offenses with consistency at this point. He's play action heavy, under center heavy.

They've done it different ways. Yeah. They've been past heavy. They've been run heavy. I am curious. I'm pulling up right here. Yeah, they're high in middle field target rate. But again, I'm not, I'm less worried about that with him than I'm.

am even with somebody like McDaniel because I know that they've won it in a lot of different ways. So, I mean, he'd be a home run. I think they interviewed him in 2021. Am I correct? I believe that's, I think you interviewed him for the head coaching job. Yeah, yeah. So I think, you know, obviously he is like, I mean, can we just be real? Like, he is exactly what Howie Roseman would want in that job.

Like, because Howie likes to kind of like, like Charlie Weiss, Jr. Like, that's like a Howie, like, oh, like let me find like the hot coaching candidate from the college ranks, like the Nate Sheel house, like, let's find, like, the up-and-comer that they would already have a relationship with this guy? I like the, I like the, I've talked about it many times, but the characterization from the ESPN story a few years ago about how Jeffrey and Howey are kind of like art collectors of the world. Yeah, yes. And they want to have owned a little piece of everybody. Yeah. To add Joe Brady to their collection is something that they would very much like. And hiring Joe Brady after identifying him in 2020.

21 or I don't know the first time they interviewed him but after identifying him early that would be like you could hear him on the podium like yeah this is somebody we built a relationship with early on we've had you know we've stated you know we've known about him for a long time and we're excited at him yeah you could hear that so he'd make a lot of sense yeah I think the eagles are in potentially a tough spot just given the volume of of openings oh absolutely we talked about the game theory of it all with with janez on Friday about like the eagles will presumably have their top choices but they're going to have to wait on finding out if those guys are even available, and then where do they rank in the pecking order of just the offensive coordinator jobs that are open? I mean, you know, there's a real chance to end up with like the 10th guy on their list. Yeah, I think, I said this on Cuzz's show earlier. I think that their candidate, the candidates that they've been linked to, I know we'll get to it later, but it is underwhelming, I would say. There's just not quite the, it's not quite the big names we expected.

And there's at least half of them where you go like, I don't know about that one. And I think because of that, I'm starting to wonder if we overstated the attractiveness of the job. So, yeah, and that's just, like, I think it's important to qualify it with, like, that could change quickly. You know, they could be linked to Mike McDaniel, Joe Brady, and Cliff Kingsbury in the next couple of days, and all of a sudden that list looks a lot different. All right. Let's put a cap on What's Brewing, presented by Wawa, once again, any sizzly hot or iced coffee.

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there. Jim Bob Cooter, Brian Dable, Josh Grizzard, Mike Kafka, Zach Robinson, Bobby Slovak, and Charlie Wise Jr. That one has not officially been an interview yet, but poking around, as it were. Let's start with the Gris fired by the Bucks after this season, replacing Liam Kahn, Dave Canales before that, 35 years old. It has an interesting background where he's worked with a bunch of different guys. It was there initially with Adam Gase, then it was, you know, Jane Galey with Brian Flores, then it was Chad O'Shea, and he worked with Mike McDaniel, a 35-year-old from Yale. Does it necessarily mean he's smart,

despite what some people might think? What do you make of the Gris Man? I'm, like, mildly intrigued. I don't, at first blush, I thought, like, if this guy just got fired by the Bucks, like, he's probably not the best option. But I do think, again, you mentioned, like, the Shane Steichen. Like, you don't always have to get somebody whose career trajectory has been like that. You know, you can, how Jalen Hertz put it,

success isn't linear, right? I heard you say sex. I did, I did say sex. Success isn't linear is how Jalen would say it. Let's clip down for the show at the end of the week. Thank you. Thank you. I hope you guys saw Lindsay's highlights of the week.

That was so fun. Great new thing. It makes me, like, it made me reflective on how much fun we have on the show. It got me all fuzzy. Yeah, it was nice. It was really nice. Shout out to Lindsay. Look forward to sex making an appearance this week.

Lindsay had. just quite a week last week. I... Win of the week? At PHOI. Well deserved. I told everyone about Lindsay flipping through those graphics

with they niz. That was like, pros, pro right there. Pros pro. But no, I think... I didn't feel any need to tell people I think people already knew that Lindsay's good.

You got to talk her up. You got to make sure that everyone knows. Got a great producer. Got a great production team here. Yeah, good save. I mean, I'm not the one who throws Julie under the bus. That's you.

Fran finally spelled my name right. It's not the only thing Fran's been wrong about recently. Okay, what else would go? What else you got on Grizzar? I think that, again, the production, you probably view it outside of the production. I think, I don't know, I think that the bucks have done some interesting things offensively the last few years. And for that reason, it's not necessarily like a slam dunk. It's not like, oh, man, I can't believe that they got, you know, Mike, yeah, now I can't even remember. Josh Grizzard, I mean, but I do think it's, I don't hate it as much as I did when I first saw it.

It was the best way I could put it. I was just looking into comparing it to the previous two buck seasons, those one and done guys. And it's interesting. It's like in the middle of Liam Cohen and Dave Canales in terms of, you know, design run rate and play action rate and under center rate. Even, you know, the success rate, they were 26 in success rate this year, 20th and EPA per drive. The Canalis season, they weren't that good. 27th in success rate that year and 17th in APA per drive.

So it's not like it was far and away the worst offense they've had the past three years. Obviously they were affected by injuries. I think it would be fair to be underwhelmed given what like the expectations might have been at the beginning of this search, but I don't think it's necessarily the worst option. Yeah, I think he's probably like,

I think he's one of those where he's respected in coaching circles and that's probably why they're interested in him. Okay. And from like an outsider's perspective, the only thing, and this is like a very small thing, and you shouldn't overstate it. But whenever you watch the Bucks offense, like one of the things that always, like,

stood out to me is the conviction that Baker throws with. You know, like, it seems like it's just a very on-schedule offense, not like stay on the, you know, stay on schedule, just like it seems like there is, there are concepts that get the ball out of the quarterback's hand that would intrigue me for Jalen Hertz. Like the quick game element that the Eagles really lacked this year. And I think you would think that if it were Grizzard,

this would be more stability for the rest of the offensive coaching staff. Yeah, it doesn't have like carte blanche to bring in his entire staff, which whether it depends on how you look at it, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. All right, let's move to... Great name, by the way. Grizzard. Well, I think that's a great name. Well, that's like a good football coach name.

This one that I don't know what to... I don't know what it's good for. Jim Bob Cooter, you tell me what it's good for, E.J. Colts Offensive Coordinator under Shane Studgeon. was also with the Eagles in 2021 and was it was this was never like announced by the team but he was the guy in Nick's headset during games that first season um to me nothing against the guy and certainly we would have a lot of fun with his name you would I think the signal of hiring someone who has already worked for Nick would be almost worst case scenario

I would agree that it would be, it would not be a departure from the way the Eagles' offenses look the last few seasons. I think a lot of these candidates, they offer something new that could merge into what the Eagles already do or just change completely overhaul what the Eagles do. And I think the way that the past game looked this season, the fact that it looked like that for most of last season, I think a lot of us have talked ourselves into an overhaul being needed. Um, I think, the flip side is, if you can't bring Shane Steichen back, this is the closest you can get. Sure. I mean, I'm actually, I'm trying a little bit to play the other side just for the sake of, you know, the discussion here. Are we maybe overconfident that bringing in somebody like Mike McDaniel or bringing a Shanahan McVe tree guy into this job? Are we overconfident that that is just going to inherently work?

Like, you know, could this be not, I think Sankarello is like a bad analogy. No, but it's, it's true. But is there an element there? You can't just say, all right, we're going to get this guy and we're going to do this. Yeah. It means a structural overhaul. Yeah. It's a lot of work.

And it means, you know, from the guy who is all about attention to detail, it means a lot of work on different details. Yeah. At every position. Yes. And it requires that, that kind of overhaul. And another thing that I think with the Shanahan. and the McVray guys. I think it's not like, you know, Mike McDaniel is one thing.

Yes. But, you know. McDaniel, yeah, separate McDaniel for a second with this. Clay Cubiac or Clint, whichever one is the Niners guy. That's a different, I'm not so sure that that's what you want. The thing that you don't know, there's a real, like, unknown, what's the word I'm looking for? It's, it's, I guess there is a boudoir.

There's a real, no. There is a real projection and uncertainty when you bring in one of the, or Shanahan guys, they've never had to install that system on their own. That's very true. And like that is where it's almost like when you hire a head coach, you don't know how they are building out of staff. Like you don't know how somebody like Nate Sheelhaus, how is he installing a McVeigh system? Like how is he being in front of the entire room and saying these are the things we need

to know? Like I think that that is probably the biggest cautionary like the biggest red flag when you bring somebody in like that. McDaniel has obviously done, you know, he went, he obviously has already had to install his system with the Dolphins. So it's less of an unknown with him, but when you talk about some of these assistants, I do think it's a legitimate concern. Honest question for you.

Yeah, I'm always honest on this show. Most, I'm not always honest on the show. Would Jim Bob Cooter have had the same career arc and the same job that he has if his name was Frank Smith? It's a good question. Are you saying he would have been further along or not as far along? I think not as far along. I don't know.

I think he would be less memorable as a candidate if his name were not Jim Bob Cooter in almost every place. Where was his first coaching job? Because if he got a job in like the South and... He also has some weird drunk arrest. Yeah, he does. He was a grad assistant at Tennessee, but he played quarterback at Tennessee. Maybe. Maybe you're out of something there.

I won't say I disagree. Okay. Next up, Mike Kafka. How do you feel about Mike Kafka? Well, let me, my last thing on Jim Bob Cooter, that ties into Mike Kafka. Like, you are rooting against the Kafka thing. Yeah. I'm rooting against a Jim Bob Cooter thing because I just, I can't, I don't think I can come to work every day.

Needing to say that name. But think about the merch, because the merch that we could put together for a... Can we, though? Yeah. Mike Kafka, I don't feel. strongly about him as a strong candidate. I mean, I wouldn't... It would be kind of in that same tier

of just like, hmm, okay. Like maybe the job wasn't as attractive as we thought. I mean, it's like a West Coast philosophy. I don't know. It doesn't do a whole lot for me. I don't know if I'm like... It's just because you hate it so much

that I'm being, like, influenced, though. If Fran's out there, I want to hear what France is. Yeah, I think it would be... I think it would be overwhelming. We could do like... George O'Keefe painting. as P.H.L.I. merch, Jim Bob Gooder stuff. That'd be fun.

So would you Google. No? There was a Georgia O'Keefe was a break. There was a Georgia O'Keefe reference in Breaking Bad. I don't know if you remember that. Are you breaking bad guy? I'm not a Breaking Bad guy, actually. Wow. That really surprises me.

I tell you, here's my Breaking Bad problem. I tried the first season. Mm-hmm. And it just kept, every episode was like, oh man there's no way Walter Wright's gonna wriggle his way out of this jam oh here we goes again it's just I don't know

I love Breaking Bad I do have my first hot take of the day I think Better Call Saul is better I think it's a better show I've heard people say that it benefits from the lure of Breaking Bad absolutely and they're both great shows but and if you'd

I don't think you'd like Better Call Saul no I think well here's what I'd say you wouldn't like the first you wouldn't like how long it takes to really pick up but I think you'd love Better Call Saul because, you know, you can, you like to think of yourself as like an intellectual. And I feel like that show, the storytelling is a little bit more for a little bit more like.

I am more interested in the, in Better Call Saul than Breaking Bad. Yeah, it's a, I think of that show as like a thinking man. I'm thinking man show might be too far. But no, I've, Better Call Saul is one of my favorite shows ever, like top five. Okay. Now, otherwise reports that they're going to interview Daibold. Yeah. We've already talked about him, I think, at length, the Charlie Wies Jr.

possibility. He's like the art collection, I think. I mean, it's too early on the art. It's good. Well, no, I think that's what they do. I think it's good process to bring these guys in. I actually am not, I'm not one to say, like, that they shouldn't take so long or that they shouldn't, you know, that they should already have this whittled down to a few names.

I think it makes sense to bring in, you know, what's at the marketplace of ideas. I think it makes sense. to have these guys in, have a wide range of visions for how to build this offensively before you make the decision. So they're in the early stages here, obviously from how many people they brought in and how many people they still could,

I think it makes sense to do it that way. And then the last one is Bobby Sloick, who we talked about last week, is less specifically about Bobby Sloick in particular and more about somebody with that career arc as potentially being interesting. You know, had two years, a play caller.

I would say that it's fair to say that like, you know, the Texans playoff performance offensively maybe puts him in a slightly better light. Yeah, slightly. Yeah. But then gets to one year with McDaniel and gets an opportunity to step back. I could,

I think I probably need to do a little bit more work on Bobby Sloick. Yeah. But if you're telling me that you, you are out of the running on the top of the list guys, you know, the McDaniel, Brady, you can say Kingsbury if you want. Absent those guys, I would be more interested in the upside of a Sloic getting a second chance than I would, you know, a Cooter or Zach Robinson or Mike Kafka, any of those guys.

Yeah, I think he is the most Shane Steikeney of the group in terms of, again, like success isn't always linear. But I don't know. I think we should probably, like you said, do the work on like what that Texans year looked like. I do think it's... Two years. Yeah, right. Well, I think, but really if you're hiring him, you're hiring him off of the first year. I think he gets a little bit of a point for what I mentioned earlier.

Like he has installed this system with a rookie quarterback. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if it's like play calling bona fides enough where you feel really good about it, though. Yeah. Okay. There you go. Let's go to break. Come back with more on the other side.

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news. I think that's good news for the Eagles. Yeah, I would agree. Because I think you could, you could have made a case that of the openings that are just OC openings, you might prefer the Lions job. Yeah. And so I think petting off the board is, I think that's a good thing for the Eagles. I agree. I mean, we mentioned it earlier in the show. Is the Eagles job a little less like high on the totem pole than we thought? You want me to read you some of them? Sure. Well, let's start with offensive coordinator vacancy. So the Lions just got knocked off the board. Yeah. Chargers? You could convince me that Chargers is a better job.

It's close. I think it's close. Chiefs? That's a good one. You don't get to call plays. So it depends on how vain you are. It depends on what you take the job for. Do you take it for Vanity?

Or do you take it for I want to win a championship? Yeah, I think... If you're taking it for Vanity... I think it's strictly a career ladder, Eagles is probably better. You think. Yeah, okay. Because you get to go place. And you get to take, I mean, you get to be the one who's taking credit.

Whereas, even in Kansas City, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's going to keep coaching. Well, that's true. Could be, yeah, potentially. I think, I think I'm going chiefs on that one. Okay. I could be convinced of that. Bucks is the one.

So, I don't understand the Bucks being a more attractive. So Albert Brewer at Sports Illustrated reported that Mike McDaniel might end up with the bucks because he views it as a clearer path to. being a head coach. Obviously, the Bucks famously fired Lovie Smith to elevate Dirk Cutter as a head coach. And maybe he thinks that he could do something similar with Todd Bowles.

I mean, listen. Are you going to go where? I think you're going to go with this. No, but you can't be Todd Bowles, and the reporting is already that the guy you might hire as your offensive coordinator wants the job because he thinks he can replace you and sign off on that hire.

Yeah. I mean, I would agree with that, but I don't know. I mean, Albert wouldn't report it if it wasn't something that could happen, so. Yeah, I mean, we can't be here on MLK Day. I was wondering if you were going to go. Advocating for. Mike McDaniel is also. Well, that's true.

Careful. Careful. That's true. Taking a job just to unseat the black man in charge. Once they see my smart. White presenting face They'll hire me on the spot I mean, come on.

I'm out on this one. No comment. That's a good, that's a good clip for you once they see my white presenting face. White presenting face. My dad claimed, let me say, first and foremost, happy birthday to my dad. Today?

Today. Happy birthday. 68. All right. You won't care if I put his age out there. Who cares? Happy birthday, Big Earn. I'm going to celebrate.

He would not like you call him that. Coach. Yeah, but say, Cus called him Coach Smith on the show. Like Coach Smith? Coach Smith, that's what he is. Okay. So, Big E.J. Big E.

He is smaller than me, but Big E.J. J. Jalen's Orica. Yeah, yeah. Classic cool. Yeah. Mr. Classic cool. So, yeah.

Anyway, my dad claims he always knew that Mike McDaniel was a brother. Okay. It's like, yeah, you could see him in his hair. You could see in the way that he dresses. Yeah, I always knew. Real brother. A real brother. I'm off track completely.

We're talking about OC jobs here. O.C. jobs, yes. Racking. Yeah, go ahead. I think we got through them all. So would you take the... What about Baltimore? Or you're talking about...

Oh, so yeah, we're just talking just O.C. Vacancies. I mean, yeah, there's like 10 more with head coaching jobs. So let's do those. Cardinals? No, under no circumstances. Dolphins, no. No.

Bills? Depending on who the head coach is, yes. I think they probably... Almost regardless of the head coaches, yes. I think they probably hire an offensive coach. Yeah. So maybe the Bill's O.C. job isn't quite as desirable. By the way, if they hire Dayball, what are they doing?

That's the room. That would be insane to me. Yeah. Brown's obvious. Steelers? I don't think so. I'd lean that way to you. I don't have an answer a quarterback.

If you want to be there for three years. The Steelers head coaching job over the Eagles' offensive coordinator job, but not the offensive coordinator job. I agree. Ravens. I think depends on the higher. If it's a defensive coach, yes. I think I lean Eagles.

Yeah, I don't agree. Titans? No. Under no circumstances. I'm surprised how quickly you said no, but I agree. Hard no. I mean, you're developing a quarterback. You think you have a chance to do that.

Raiders. Raiders? No. I was going to say no, but you have the first pick. You may be, maybe. No. Giants, no. Oh, these are already filled.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Here's my where the Eagles stand with regard to the rest of the league, Tick. The idea that, I don't want to, I don't want to just repeat myself defending Jalen, but the idea that this is a tough job because you don't know what it's going to be like to work with Jalen. Yeah. I think it's.

is nonsense. I think the idea that, I think the reason that people around the league are wary of this job is because of the perception of what it's like to work in the building. That it can be a toxic workplace. And they like to put that on the fans.

They like to say, oh, this is like, this is a pressure cooker, this is really tough. The perception around the league, which I do not think is unfair, is that this is a very tense place to work in the building. and that it is not fun to go to the office every day. And that doesn't have to be the most important thing.

If you want to chase a Super Bowl with a bunch of people who are wired to care about every little thing, maybe it's for you. It's a good place to go for one year and maybe supercharge yourself to a head coaching job. It is not a place to go if you want to be somewhere for a long time and have fun. Yes, I would agree with everything you just said there. I think the personality dynamics at play make it intense. It's a big reason why they're successful, but it's also a big reason why maybe there is skepticism about being there long term for some people. There you go.

All right. We promised the cake take or we promised the bad EJ take. We're going to make you wait one more commercial break. Okay? We're going to talk Michael Clay when we get back, but we will start. I promise we will open up out of the break with EJ's take. I'm ready. That you have to hear to believe.

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Yeah, it does look like a bun cake, though. Like, expands your horizons a little bit. For the audio listeners, this is a yellow cake underneath with chocolate frosting on top. E.J., what do you think that is? Can you cut to my camera, Lindsay? It's a chocolate cake! It is a chocolate cake! You don't...

When's the last time you ate yellow cake on your own, on its own? You always put something on it. I saw Fran on social media claiming that yellow cake and vanilla ice cream are equivalents. They're not. Vanilla ice cream, delicious. You can eat vanilla ice cream by itself. Totally. All the time.

Whatever. Yellow cake? Nobody eats yellow cake on its own. They don't call the good people. a tasty cake when I go to Wawa, if I'm feeling like a little indulgent, you get a chocolate junior. It's not called a yellow cake

chocolate frosting Jr. It is a chocolate cake. Now, I will say, I know I'm in the minority on this one. I put up the poll last night. I saw like 80% of the people don't agree with me. I don't care. This is a Smith tradition.

This is every year on my dad's birthday. We break out the chocolate cake. It's hard. to indulge you seriously here. You're fighting against definitions of words. That is yellow cake with chocolate frosting. You got to catch your breath after you say that. Do you call toasted bread with butter on top?

Chocolate cake is already a thing. No, double chocolate. Chocolate cake exists. The cake. I'm sorry, you do not get to change how cake is described. Cake is described by the, what is the cake underneath, not the frosting. I'm sorry, so why do they call it double chocolate cake when it's chocolate cake and chocolate icing on top of chocolate cake? You could say, I want chocolate cake with

vanilla frosting. Uh, you know, a red velvet cake is not... See, we talked about red velvet cake. The red velvet cake is different. Red velvet cake is different. It is different. It is different. All cake description is describing the kind of cake. You don't call it yellow cake with chocolate frosting. This is, I mean, it's truly... What flavor? has ever argued for something dumber, and I say that with all self-awareness. Go ahead, Lindsay. I feel like my argument for why me and Boer, right, is at, like, the donut shop, it's a chocolate frosted donut, but it's a vanilla donut.

Yeah. So they're saying chocolate frosted. It's not a vanilla donut, though. There are vanilla cake. Or a yellow donut. You don't even need specifics. This is, like, you don't need to back up why. Why do you call it a vanilla cake?

Why is two plus two? Why do you call it a vanilla cake? because it tastes like vanilla. No, because that's the kind of cake it is. On a chocolate cake, on a yellow cake, it is a chocolate cake. It's not. What does it taste like?

What does it taste like? What does it taste like? It's not. Like, whatever argument you make, it doesn't matter. You're wrong. It's not even a thing to be argued. To the small percentage of people out there

that voted in favor of the correct definition, I see you, And we, we get it. We know. Never wrong, just early. This is like, you know. What do you call a chocolate? What is a chocolate jinger to you?

If somebody said, hey, what's a chocolate junior? What would you say? I don't know. It's a chocolate pastry. It is the frosting defines the otherwise. Nobody, have you ever eaten yellow cake on its own? Lindsay, please go back to the picture. Now, zoom in on the photo if it's possible.

I don't think she can zoom in on the photo. You're asking too much. All right. I will find it on Twitter or whatever, wherever it is posted. Now... Looks delicious, by the way. Shout out to Julia. And then what does Julia think, by the way?

What does Julia know? Julia is respectful of the family tradition. So she has given up the argument. So you have in here, this is very interesting, you have posted this photo with the box behind it. Yeah, the box for scale. The box for scale. scale is the same thing. It is chocolate icing on top of the cake and the box says

classic yellow. The box is telling you the answer, E.J. You have the answer to the text. No, the box is telling you what's inside the box, which is yellow cake. The, the, the frosting. It's a picture of the same thing. You don't, they don't have the frosting in the cake or in the box. You got to buy the frosting separate. And that is the defining characteristic of the the cake. Again, I got like... Truly done. No, this isn't your

cotton 4K moment that you think it is. It's not. It is. It's not. It's the exact thing that you're talking about. Look at those unripe bananas. Described as classic yellow. My wife isn't going to be happy

putting our bananas on blast like that. You don't get to just... The defining trade of that cake. If that cake was half and half, if you had a, if there was vanilla frosty on the other side, and you're at a birthday party and somebody says, what kind of cake would you like? Are you going to go, I'll take the yellow cake with the chocolate frosting, please?

You'll say, chocolate. Jamie, come in. Come here. I mean. He can't have my mic. He's got to take yours. It's the worst take anyone's ever have. It's a vanilla cake with chocolate frosting.

It's not vanilla cake. There is vanilla cake. It's white cake. Yellow cake. Yellow. Which is like the most bland food item you could ever have. We don't need to define the cake by the yellow cake. It's not a chocolate cake.

It's a chocolate cake. Uh, That's a support for you. Chat says, uh, yeah, love. There are people out there and we see it my way. This is a safe space. You're incorrect. No, not incorrect.

Everybody else is wrong about this. It looks delicious. Yeah, I'm excited. We haven't, we haven't, you haven't eaten. Well, no, today's my dad's birthday. I'm bringing it, I'm bringing it to dinner. Nice. It's a chocolate cake.

Yeah, happy birthday, Mr. Smith. Yeah, happy birthday. All right. It's a chocolate cake. It's a chocolate. All right. I don't care. If I'm the only,

person in the world that calls that chocolate cake, I'll still be right. Oh, Zach Berman's with me. He gets it. Super chat. I pray E.J. students don't see the cake. I agree. Zach being on my side here is so vindicating. Great judgment. A man of integrity and good sense, as I have always said. It's a chocolate cake. I mean

they're just wrong I love it he waited into the chat to support me on this argument it's chocolate cake it's not anyway she'll

voted no and then I messes him to tell him how much it crushed me that he said it wasn't a chocolate cake yeah you also you also texted me because I saw the picture

and just kept scrolling on my phone that was lame that was very lame he both saw in the middle of Doing stuff. Bo saw the post. I hope everything is okay.

Bo saw the post and then he didn't vote. And he thought I was just going to like that spot. You're keeping track of everyone who sees, who looks at your stuff? I was invested in maintaining a 20% approval rating on my chocolate cake pick. I mean, one of the worst ticks anyone's ever had. No, me and ZB. Average. I see things the same way.

Sheel said that he thought it was a donut. It looks like a donut. How do people not know what like a bun cake is? Well, the way that it, the way that you framed the shot, it looks like a donut. This shot, I didn't take this one. This was Julia. So you're throwing Julia under the bus. I'm not throwing under the bus.

You are. I think the photo is great. I don't think there's anything to throw under the bus for it. All right. What did you make of the return of Michael Clay? Fran sent this in. I don't care what tasty cake defines it as.

What's it called? It's not called a yellow cake junior. It's called a chocolate junior. They're great, by the way. Shout out to Wawa. They always got those things. My dad, speaking of my dad and Wawa, very topical for today.

My dad will like only go to, he'll go and only get the chocolate junior if like the tasty cake truck was just outside. Like he wants like the freshest chocolate junior. I like that. That's a good, yeah. It's also a good guard against getting it every time.

Yeah. It's like, okay, if it's fresh, then I'll indulge. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. But, I mean, I think he's probably, he probably is timing up the tasting cake truck every once in a while there. All right.

Tell me your take on the return of Michael Clay. Yeah. So he signed an extension with the Eagles over the weekend. I think, like, it's safe to say, like, he interviewed for the Bucks job last week, and it was the special teams coordinator job. So it's clear that the Eagles, you know, were exploring options as he, as was he, he was obviously in demand. I think, like, going through. Go ahead. Go ahead.

What's up? No, no, no. Yeah, go ahead. Going through the numbers for the special teams, like, they were dead last in kickoff return efficiency last year. They were 23rd and overall EPA. I think that missed field goals are probably going to really swing that. Yes. That's a heavy EPA winner.

Yeah, exactly. I think that when you think about Michael Clay's performance this year, it's really defined by moments. Jordan Davis's block kick against the Rams, Jalen Carter's multiple block kicks throughout the season. Led the league with four blocked kicks, the only team in the league that had a block extra point, fulagoland punt.

Yeah. And no blocked kicks of their own. Yeah, and snuffed out the fake punt against the lines. I think that's as big of a moment as any, because that's like, are you actually paying attention to the game? Yeah. You know? Yep.

So I think they will want more efficient play from their special teams moving forward, but I don't think that we've seen anything to suggest Michael Clay can't produce that. They had a really good year in 2023. And you made this point to me, so I guess I'll let you make the point. Go ahead. About like the kickoff unit and the kickoff return unit in particular, he doesn't have a lot of the starters available to him in those situations. That's true.

I think you would have wanted better kickoff return performance. even acknowledging that Tank Bigsby wasn't good at it. Will Shipley wasn't good at it, and Britt and Covey is not the most explosive guy. You're just hoping to get to like the 35. Yeah. But I'm sure that it could have been blocked up better. I think overall, I think he's a good coach worth keeping around.

Very impressive, like gambit by him to take these interviews and sort of call the Eagles bluff. I'm sure. Yeah. My deal is expiring. Pay me more money. I'm like, okay, see what you can get. Good for him for going to get it. Absolutely.

Yeah. Yeah. I think there's something to, when there's not going to be continuity elsewhere, you know, he's the guy who's been there the whole time. And I think, you know, he's,

he's a young guy. He's working with mostly young players. I think it's a good, I think it's a good fit. Yeah, I did forget to mention Cam Latte, who's black punt against Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I mean,

that's good scouting. They had, he almost got one in the week before, right? How could I not? How could I forget that? How could you? He's got the game ball in his locker. I saw that when we were still in the locker.

you don't want to take it take it it's his he earned it he deserves it okay yeah I think this is I think this is probably good process from both Clay and the team yeah I agree

okay I want to hear about the shirt there's not much to say maybe the chat will tell me about the shirt the shirt is the shirt haven't worn it in a while somebody didn't like it is that what I'm surmising here none of your business

I'll read about it in the chat I feel great about the cake argument by the way I feel so good about it it's fine you should be happy with yourself but you're just digging deeper and deeper into self-delusion I nailed it I just got a text from somebody actually Jeffrey Lurie

maybe I'll send this to Lindsay anyway as the Eagles prepare for the draft a little bit of interesting news that Clint Hurt will be the head coach of one of the two teams at the Senior Bowl in a week plus. Jamal Singleton is going to be the offensive coordinator.

I think you can probably overstate how important it is to have these extra touch points on these prospects. But it's not nothing. But it's not nothing. Yeah. Also, Cole Peterson will be involved.

And I think there's one other. Oh, and Holly Roddinghouse will be involved as well. So the Eagles sort of being the team to kind of run the national side on the coaching staff. So at some point here, we'll talk to Fran and figure out if there are any sort of first, second round, offensive prospects who might be worth keeping an extra eye on

on that team since they'll be talking to Eagles guys the whole time. Yeah, no. And I mean, it's always good to have an Eagles presence there. You know, I'm sure Fran will be pounding the pavement, talking to these guys, getting good intel. I love a senior ball. I do like the senior ball. I mean, the access wasn't as good last year, but I generally really enjoy it.

It's fun because there's really only like two or three places that you'll find people, so it's good for networking. Like, you know, it's not hard to find people there. Love the food down there. It's like a really good, like sneaky good food down there. So, yeah, no, I like it. Cookout. Have I ever told the cookout story on here?

You have a, I think, yes. Well, I like to cook out. My inquire colleagues who are, they're restaurant people. Yeah, but the approach was not like, this is a place you need to go. Let me quick retell the story. I'll keep an eye out for Bovertime here. So, Bo told me, I think it was two years ago, to go to cookout. And I'm with my inquired colleagues.

They are all, they're restaurant people, they're foodies. Like, they know the owners of these restaurants, kind of like you, Bo. I'm not a restaurant guy. I'm easy. It's, you know, whatever. I'm easily, easily happy at a restaurant like that. So they're like, oh, we're so hungry. We only have a little bit of time.

I'm like, well, Bo told me about cookout, like, let's go there. We get there, and they're so unimpressed by cookout. Like, they are like, like, almost brought to tears. The sale of cookout is a lot for a little. They were like, good milkshakes. They're like, well, the, it's not great food. Shout out to Jeff McLean, one of my, the, I mean, an incredible colleague. But I feel misrepresented.

You, you told them I was, I was recommending this place as a gourmand. I didn't know. You just told me, oh, you got to go to cookout. You didn't tell me anything about cookout. We get there and Jeff has a milkshake. Again, shout out to Jeff. I love Jeff. He has a milkshake.

And he is so unimpressed by the fact that the milkshake is just soft served ice cream. It's not something you drink with a straw. And he's furious. I don't know if anybody said it, but it was clear. You made me look bad. No, you made me look bad. You made me look bad. I'm like, Beau said, oh, Beau said cookout would be really good.

And they're like, Olivia's like, I can't even eat anything here. Like, because she doesn't eat red meat. She's just like, I guess I'll get this chicken wrap that looks like... Yeah, then you get a side like... It's like a breaded piece of chicken with a tortilla. Césidia as part of the side. I mean, it's a great, yeah. It was not...

2 a.m. college move. Cook out milkshy. I'm not telling you you need to do it. It's just soft service. Yeah, we missed it. I apologize. You said you were on top of it. I mean, I trusted you once.

As Lindsay and Ben can attest if you tell me that a video needs to be 45 seconds, it's going to be a minute and 10. By the way, do not let me forget. We have to do a supporters club video before we leave today. I'm saying it out loud. Accountability partner. Do not let us leave without doing that. Become a supporter. Yeah.

So what are we going to do? We're going to relitigate the cake argument? Lindsay, I've got, I submitted some evidence to the P.H.O.I. Studio. It doesn't matter. It does matter. And I got this text from somebody in my corner. a respected figure of the PHOI family. I don't think you know what that word means.

He's respected by at least one of us up here. He's respected by both of us. I know he is. I mean, there's nothing to show. Somebody says I'm on a heater. I hope that that's a supporter of the chocolate cake brigade. I don't care. Look at this.

What's this? That does nothing for your argument. It is chocolate cake. No. A chocolate cake with chocolate frosting is a double chocolate cake. A chocolate cake with chocolate frosting, like chocolate sprinkles, if you're into that type of thing, triple chocolate. Death by chocolate. They don't call these things that because there's not room for a basic chocolate cake with a yellow cake base.

You're wrong. It's not a chocolate cake. If you told me, I'm going to get you some yellow cake. I would say I would prefer a chocolate cake actually If I asked you to bring me a piece of chocolate cake And you brought me that Yeah I would say this is not what I asked for

But maybe it's not what you asked for Because of your wrong definition But oh by the way You're gonna be pretty happy with that piece of cake You're not gonna be like Well no one's arguing it's not delicious You're just wrong The fact that 20% of people agree with me is enough

I mean, that is shockingly high. They know. But I think we know. I mean, you can get 20% of people, you get 50% of people to believe anything. I'm right about this. You're wrong, but you're allowed to be wrong. All right.

Any other final thoughts? Do you want to get on here? Julia says 19%. That's all I need. Yeah. and probably 17% of that pool is just bots. No, because it was on Instagram. I can give you some of the names.

Most of the people at PHOI disagreed with me, though. I was disappointed. Like, the PHOI sports account voted against it. Like, what are we doing? Like, we're supposed to be on the same team. Not when you're peddling misinformation. It's not misinformation. It's just the right take.

Whatever you want to do in the comfort of your own home is fine. But don't try to push your views on the rest of us. Okay. You make it sound like it's such a bad thing to know the truth about what a chocolate cake is and what it's not. Really embarrassing. The real violation is that you didn't vote on the poll when you looked at the poll. We didn't give me time.

I gave you time. I did. I was like, maybe it just takes a minute to populate. And it's like, no, other people have voted on it in this time. And then I was like, I got to call you out. In the middle of bedtime. I mean, come on. You just got to hit one button.

You already looked at it. No. If it was an actually interesting debate, I might wait in. If I see that, I don't need to, I don't need to, you know, you're embarrassing yourself on a platform. I don't need to be a part of that. I don't need to be part of whatever this shame kink you have is. I am not embarrassed. Vindicated.

All right. That'll do it for the episode of the PHY Eagles podcast. Back tomorrow, two o'clock. Continue tracking. What's going on with the Eagles offensive coordinator search? We get into some other stuff as the week goes on, maybe some off-season predictions. We are going to do that no bad ideas show,

but we're going to wait for a friend to return from his gallivanting. So we're going to be working hard. I didn't say he's not working. Galivanting has a negative connotation. Go around from one place to another. in pursuit of pleasure or entertainment. Yeah. No, he's there for work.

He's doing guys. What's more pleasurable than that? Oh, man. Lindsay, you just teed up Lindsay perfectly, because she's going to take that and then she's going to take what I said earlier in the show. Look at her. She's typing off here.

She's like, got it. Most interested she's been in the show all month. He's not gallivant and he's grinding. Working hard down there. He's grinding all right. All right. See it. All right. Thanks for watching, everybody. We will talk to you tomorrow 2 o'clock for Lindsay and E.J.

And Fran, wherever he is. As always. And Julia, we love you. You're all silly like the mayor.