PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles offseason checklist: 10 moves Howie Roseman MUST make this offseason | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: February 16, 2026

Should the Eagles pass on Maxx Crosby? What about looming contract decisions for key pass rushers like Jordan Davis, Jalen Carter, Nolan Smith, and Jaelan Phillips? EJ Smith is joined by Philadelphia Inquirer Eagles beat reporter Jeff Neiburg to discuss the weeks leading into free agency and the moves they expect the team to make between and now then. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome in everybody to the P.H.O.I. Eagles podcast. We are live from the Infinity Studio, and we are presented by Bet365 and Ashley. I am your host today. E.J. Smith, and I am joined by none other than Jeff Nyberg, Philadelphia Inquirer Eagles beat reporter, roller hockey. Really, just I would say like a glue guy, right? Like roller hockey blue guy. And, you know, a personal friend. Former colleague. colleague current friend of mine. I'm very excited to be joined by Jeff Nyberg today, if you can't tell. So yeah, welcome to the show, Jeff, how you doing? Thanks for having me. Glug guy. You might, basketball players don't like that term. They think it's like the derogatory.

I think they're better than that. I'm a proud glue guy. I mean, yeah, you need someone who does, I always, when I am a glue guy in basketball, rebounding, like boxing people out. That's really all I offer is rebound. I can pass. But yeah, no, you need those guys.

You need those guys who are going to kind of, you know, bring up the floor. of the teams. Rebounding and passing are important parts of basketball. Fundamental of the game. So we have a lot to get to today. I'm very excited to talk through really what I would call Howie Roseman's to-do list over the next couple of weeks. I think some of these probably will stretch into probably later in the offseason, but I do think there are some things that have urgency here. So, you know, the format for today's show, Jeff and I are going to kind of go back and forth on some of these. You know, some of the things we think will be

at the top of Howie Roseman's to-do lists. And I think we disagree on a couple of these. So I I think it'll be good. You know, I want us to keep it civil. As our listeners know, our viewers know, sometimes Bo and I, we can get a little, a little testy. So, yeah, I think that it'll be a good conversation and, you know, be good to get some fresh perspective on some of these things. I think disagreement might be strong. We have different philosophies.

I don't disagree with you on some things. I think we think things might play out differently, but our opinions aren't terribly dissimilar. Well, I think that's probably why we're friends. We see a lot the same way. But I think it'll be a good discussion on some. of these. So we fake fight? We shouldn't fake fight. You know, there have been instances where I have been pitted against people at this desk. Oh, wow. I would never want to do that. Not going to let it happen today. So I'm going to kick us off mostly because it's, it's, you know, I'm the host. I get to

do what I want. Big job. I get to do what I want to do here. The first thing that I would say is on a Howie-Rosman to-do list. Might surprise you. I think it's talk to Jordan Davis about an extension and get an extension done with Jordan Davis. It's not the most heralded defensive tackle free agency class. It's not like the market is necessarily going to go up, but I think it's more about the fact that the market's, in my opinion, already been set for a player like Jordan Davis. Obviously, we all know he had an incredible season, really expanded his game from being just an early down run stuffer to being somebody who was an impact player on early downs, could be on the field for more of those early downs and also I still think maybe has some past rush upside.

Now, I don't think he's top of the market. I don't think he's going to be, you know, at the top of that defensive tackle market in terms of annual salary. But I do think I have an interesting comp I want to show you, which is Travis Jones with the Ravens, who signed an extension a few months ago. If you look at Jordan Davis' stats pitted with Travis Jones' stats here, you know, this is since 2023, Travis Jones is at 1,700. 96 snaps played.

Jordan Davis at 1,593. You can see here that Travis Jones played a little bit more as a pass rusher. They've been equally as impactful in the run game. And Jordan Davis, while he has more sacks, you know, he's got 10 compared to 7.5 for Travis Jones. Travis Jones is around the quarterback a little bit more in terms of pass rush win rate there. But Travis Jones is at 13.5 million a year.

I think if that is the going rate for Jordan Davis, entering this free agency, period. I think you do that deal to secure his future. He's under contract obviously through next season, but I think it would make sense to sign him this offseason rather than see how next year plays out. Yeah, and as the court jester notes in the chat, you're all on those fancy stats up there.

I didn't see any kick blocking. Jordan Davis, elite kick blocker. How's Travis Jones in that department? No, all kidding is tired. He's a glue guy, right? The glue guy. And it's like, you know, we talk about something.

We're joking. but like a serious level, like the leadership, the maturity that Jordan Davis, these are things that don't factor in when we talk about snap counts and his past rush win rate and his run stuffing. Those other things, the leadership qualities, his, I mean, this is like a selfish thing for us, but the way he deals with the media, there's like so much professionalism in Jordan Davis that he's, and imagine like, think about this, like this conversation we're having about this specific player.

Four months ago. Yeah. What would you like this is a, it's a pretty remarkable that we're saying all these things about this player and that he is like, we're, we're kicking off an offseason segment that Jordan Davis should be Howie Roseman's top priority of the offseason. Like that's a remarkable thing that's happened. And I think it speaks to a lot of what makes Jordan Davis so important to the Eagles. It's he's this all encompassing player. Yeah. He's this all encompassing player on this defensive front that, you know, they probably envisioned that when they drafted him a couple years ago and it's kind of all come to fruition. Yeah. And he's only 26. I think that there is still a path. I say this, you know, I'm not bullish on this. I wouldn't say, you know, that you signed Jordan Davis to an extension expecting him to be an impact pass rusher. But I still think there's a path to him improving in that area because we have seen the growth that he's had in other areas of his game. The thing I wanted to mention, too, is that I don't know how much longer you're going to have Vic Fangio here for. But as long as you have Vic Fangio as your defensive coordinator,

Jordan Davis is one of the most fundamental pieces of a Vic Fangio defense. And honestly, I would venture as far as saying, I mean, Jim Schwartz, as a name, would actually probably be against this, but most modern defensive coordinators, most of the modern defensive systems you see, they do rely on light boxes. And Jordan Davis is exactly the type of player that you would want to build that around because he offers you so much in terms of stealing back gaps is the way that you'll hear coaches describe it, where he can be responsible for more than one gap because of how good he is in the run game.

So, no, I think he's an important player in tangible, like from the way. the intangible standpoint that you pointed out. I think from a schematic standpoint, he's really important for the way that they've built this defense. And yeah, I still think that there is a reason to believe that his arrow is still pointing up in terms of what he's able to do on the field. Yeah, I mean, it's like you talk about Vic might not be here beyond this year, beyond this year, being next year.

This shouldn't factor into, like, you have this player now, you have this coordinator now, you have this window right now. I'm not worried about if I'm the Eagles, who might be the defensive coordinator in three years when Jordan Davis is playing out, you know, the same. second to last year of whatever extension this looks like. Yeah. And I don't think he's, he's not as important in the way that we've seen Jim Schwartz play defense, but, or, you know, deploy his defenses. But I would say that he's kind of getting to a point now where he isn't as scheme dependent as he was early in his career. So, no, I really do. I think that it's a, like you said,

it's a testament to the work, like the progress he's made. And by the way, shout out to Fran for helping me with the comp there in the market. has as good a handle on like free agency or just really the contract market in the NFL as anybody I've been around because he does like tier these players like you know our listeners know I love a tier list I love tear breaks tier skips and you know Jordan Davis like if you look at the top of that defensive tackle market right you've got guys like I mean honestly a Lee McNeil was a player that I thought about and he's at 24.3 million a year which is a huge jump up but a lot of those guys at the top obviously Milton Williams at 26 million and then Chris Jones

kind of is like even in a tier by himself at 31 million those guys are like every down impact players I think that Travis Jones is the ideal comp there because they both are really more early down contributors very good against the run structural to the defenses they play in but maybe not really like the pass rush impact player that you would expect to be again at the top of that market so if if that's the deal that they're looking for if that's like where Jordan Davis sees himself I I think an extension shouldn't be hard. And again, you probably would benefit from getting it done before free agency, before you, I mean, again, it's not like a heralded market, but you never know. You never know where the defensive tackle market might look or how it will go and how it will look in a few months.

Let me ask you a question. Excuse me. I'm used to being asked questions on this show. I'm not the host. what would be what would hold davis back from wanting to sign a deal in the travis jones range what would make him not sit what would make him feel maybe i'm not in milton way like why wouldn't he want to push for that type of i think if you're jordan davis you probably i mean i think a realistic outcome would be Travis jones i don't i think that that's why i think it could be

like an early offseason plan is because it makes sense for both sides if you were like if you if you were Jordan Davis and you had Jordan Davis colored glasses on, right? You might look at Vita Vaya at $17.8 million a year. You might look at Kenny Clark at 21 million. Those are both guys that still have proven, at least, especially with Vita Vaya, like they have at least have some, like, game wrecker can still impact the quarterback, even though they don't have necessarily like a pass rush repertoire. Like, they're just going to run through the defensive, or they're going to run through the offensive line and get sack production that way. So I don't think that that should be like prohibitive. I don't think that Jordan Davis is going to be like entrenched in the stance that he

is in that conversation. But I mean, I guess maybe playing devil's advocate. If you're Jordan Davis, maybe you think I come back for another year, maybe I will be part of that conversation. Look at all the progress I just made. Yeah. I still am playing. I can play under the fifth year option. I could earn myself more money. The cap's going to go up again. But you know he also is like he values being with the Eagles. So I could see it. I could see a deal getting done. This is a thing the Eagles do pretty consistently is they try to extend guys a year early. They try to extend guys basically as soon as they're eligible because history usually indicates the price only goes up for these players. So usually you can find a deal that's mutually beneficial early for players like this because they want the security and the Eagles want to get in before the price goes up.

So I think Jordan Davis makes a lot of sense this offseason. I actually think he makes more sense than a different defensive tackle that will. talk about later in the show. But just moving on really quick to Max Crosby, Fran and I talked about it on Friday. You know, Mike Garifolo was on Anthony Gargano's show on Friday and said that the Eagles would be maybe top three, top five in the mix if Max Crosby does end up getting traded from the Raiders.

I guess where do you stand on Max Crosby? Probably going to be too expensive and you're going to probably upgrade that position in different ways than trading the capital you'd need to acquire Mac Crosby. I think it's a pretty fair. fast process for the Eagles. I think it's not going to be something that they're going to kick the tires on too long because the asking price is probably going to be too high or should be, I think.

I think if asset management wise, I think they're better off going in a different direction. Yeah. I'm with you. I think Fray made a really good point about they had already, they already used a semi-premium picked on Jalen Phillips at that position. Max Crosby is somebody who is like the type of player you put into a championship roster and feel like it gives you that boost, you know, gives you the push over the edge to really be a contender. But I just, I don't know, I have a hard time believing that the Eagles would use a premium asset on a defensive player,

at edge rusher, a position they've already used a lot of resources at, especially considering how much work they're going to have to do on the offensive side of the ball. So it's an interesting one because, you know, it's a type of thing where it's like, you know, Hallie Rosen's going to make the call. You know, he's going to figure out what the asking price is, and he's going to think of, about if, you know, that asking price is feasible because the Eagles are in the business of stockpiling difference makers like a Max Crosby. But I think just reading the terrain of like what they've done roster building already and what they have to do in the coming months and the fact that Max Crosby's do 30 million a year for the next couple of seasons.

I think it's only guaranteed this season. But still, it is a big contract to take on for a defense that's about to get expensive. And it's a premium pick to use for an offense or for a team that has a lot of work to do in the draft offensively. And Howie Rosen alluded to as much when we talked to him, that's probably a month ago. A month ago, yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong.

I'm not saying that they don't need to spend resources on the edge. They absolutely need to be signing a top flight edge rusher, if not spending a very early pick on one, if not both. Right. But there's a difference between signing a veteran like Bradley Chubb or Khalil Mack. Yeah, Bradley Chubb then parting with assets to get Max Crosby. Those are very different conversations for me. Yeah, the Bradley Chubb thing is interesting.

I'm glad you brought them up. Obviously, the Miami Dolphins released Bradley Chub earlier today. It was from what the reporting would indicate, a salary cap casualty. The Miami also released Tyree Kill. So it seems like they're just trying to clear their books here. Bradley Chub was somebody I linked to the Eagles during the trade deadline. I thought he would have made a lot of sense, you know, in an either-or situation with Jalen Phillips. I actually thought Chub would have made more sense because he was, you know, he had multiple stops with Vic Fangio.

it's a player that Vic Fangio is really familiar with. So that's definitely one that I would keep an eye on. I mean, and he's like, because he was released, he doesn't have to wait till free agency also, which will be interesting. He is, I think he's, what, 30 years old? He's 29.6, according to. 29.6. So he'll turn 30 next season.

He's been a productive player throughout his career. You know, he had the torn ACL in 2024, but he came back with 8.5 sacks last season. Honestly, yeah, that is a name that would make a lot of sense for the Eagles, you know, because of the familiar. with Vic Fangio. You know, those, those like later career edge rushers,

a lot of times do like to find contenders, and you know, play on one or two year deals with contenders. He's somebody who would make a lot of sense for them. And that term is perfect for the Eagles. Yep. Like Jaylickson. That window.

Yeah. Still in his rookie deal. We're going to talk about another edge rusher whose options probably going to get picked up who might not be here much longer beyond that. Yeah. But there's, and they got a draft again.

So this is this two-year window right now when we're talking about this Super Bowl window of sorts. Yeah. This is the perfect type of play. a two-year guy, something like that would make a ton of sense. Yeah, awesome. All right, well, that's going to do it for our, we're going to take it to break, and then we're going to come back, and we're going to talk about little Cam Juergens news,

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It is the greatest television series in the history of television series. Oh, we're talking about the Sopranos? My dad would appreciate that. No, Game of Thrones, it's the best. Okay. I mean, Night of the Seven Kingdoms, also very good. you would enjoy it. That's my dad would say.

That's why they make Chalking Invinella. Enjoy yours. That's like my predecessor would say. That's why Baskin Robbins has 32 flavor. Speaking of my predecessor, maybe he's coming up this week. Oh, a tease. Maybe we're going to do a mailback.

Oh, Fran says we can talk Night of the Seven Kingdoms tomorrow. All right, we'll table this. Thank you, thank you, Fran. Because I have no knowledge and no interest. Fran, man. Fran, it's been, Fran's been having like a real moment in my life. where like everything every contribution he makes in my life I'm like this guy is just

unbelievable man unbelievable wait for back did did Jeff ever weigh in on the cake oh I texted him about the cake thing and so he agrees the chocolate cake I mean it's the way you said it I could just tell he was on our side it's like objectively not chocolate cake but thank you Jeff yep just another one in the column for the good guys it's a chocolate cake I'll die on that hill I will die on the chocolate cake. Anyway, we're going to get into What's Brewing, presented by Wawa, and what's brewing today is some Cam Juergens news.

He released on his social media. I think it was his Instagram that he went through a stem cell treatment. Where was it, Jeff? Medellin. So it was in Columbia. Shout to Sicario. Great movie. Shout to Entrash. That's what I was going to say. Entrage. Yeah, so I'm going to defer to you on this one. It seems like You did a little bit more legwork on Cam Juergens's procedure, but it does seem like this is the beginning of an offseason in which he is going to try to recover from something I think was pretty

obvious affected him throughout the year. Yeah, I mean, it seems like this is a procedure people get done when they're looking for answers to heal some pain. Yeah. If you go on this company's website, they've dealt with multiple celebrity type people, Chuck Liddell. Hmm, Chuck Lidale Some former NFLers Former and so

So current NFLers too Toronto Armstead Yeah Yeah current NFL I was like wait Does he see current NFL He's still in the league WWE superstar

Bobby Ashley I think Toronto Armstead is no longer In the league Former NFLers yeah UFC people have gone there Yeah he got some stem cell Who among us hasn't gotten a stem cell treatment But you know

Millions of stem cells In a baggie And he wrote He did write go birds On his little stem cell baggie I did see that. That was a nice little touch, a little local touch. Yeah.

Why Columbia one person might ask? Because that would be the logical question. It does not appear as if this type of procedure is completely board certified in the United States. The FDA approved, things of that nature. It's a treatment that can get done, I believe here, but maybe not to the type of levels that you're able to do it in Columbia. Yeah. And it would appear as if Cam is someone who's in a lot of pain and he's looking for ways to alleviate himself for that pain. There's a you know the company's not going to put any bad testimonials on their website

But these testimonials yeah are from people who this is you know done a lot of a lot of good in their lives and yeah You know people get various things treated their meniscus tears degenerative disc disease Arthritis yeah I know this this type of procedure in the States is done on some older folks To alleviate arthritic pain okay that would make sense to this level of not to this level of not million steps I think the hold up in the FDA is how many millions of stem cells. Yeah, you know, the thing about it for me, the thing that was interesting from a vantage point of someone who's covered Cam all season is I didn't, and you can tell me if you had a different experience. I didn't think Cam really had much time to, he wasn't very like forthcoming about what he was going through. You could tell by the way that he was playing that he wasn't the same player that he was two seasons ago and you knew that he.

had injuries at the end of that 2024 postseason run. So you could put two and two together, but he was pretty guarded about what exactly he was experiencing. So for me, I thought the video was actually, A, surprising, and B, actually refreshing because I think he's someone who has taken a lot of criticism for the way that he played. And listen, I mean, fairly so. He did not play well last year, despite being named in the Pro Bowl, which was funny. Yeah. Yeah. But I do think, like, there's nothing wrong with like acknowledging that you know um i thought landin obviously jordan my lotta and i had a conversation about it early in the season a lot of those guys talked about the injuries that they dealt with it was clear that cam was dealing with something he wasn't quite as

open about it and that's his prerogative obviously yeah um but i do think like the him releasing this video i think is a signal that this is going to be an offseason where he's hopefully going to return looking more like the cam jerkins we saw early in his career um i'm not saying i don't know enough this procedure to know if it's the type of thing where he's going to come back and look the same. But it at least shows that there's a step being taken toward trying to get back to the level that he played at before. And I think that that is, again, I was glad to see that he was like a little bit more open about it. Yeah. And I would say you said he was not quite forthcoming, but I think that's even being generous to him. I think I'm generous a lot. I just, I just think like

he downright didn't want to talk about it and would and like to the point where it was not so much guarded as it was dismissive and like I'm fine. It was sort of like the the vibes you were getting from Cam when like we all have eyes. It doesn't doesn't take Fran Duffy level of football exes and those knowledge to know that Sam Juergens was not himself this year. So I mean on a human level, I hope Cam has alleviated some of the some of the pain in his back and that he's been dealing with. And obviously for the Eagles, it's a you know, while we've discussed and the futures of Lane Johnson and Landon Dickerson have come up over recent weeks. I mean, imagine now that if your cornerstone or your, you know, your Kelsey replacement type center is not healthy.

Like imagine if that's now a long-term, and maybe it is. Maybe it is a long-term concern. No, there's absolutely a chance that I said this on the show last week. There's a chance that the Eagles will have three new starters on the interior offensive line by the end of next season. Totally. You know, I mean, especially if you account for injuries. I've used the comparison when they drafted Landon Dickerson. There was not a clear path to him starting any games, his rookie season.

I think he started 14 games as rookie season because of injuries, mostly to Brandon Brooks that year. So I think that they need to run that back. I think there needs to be a premium draft pick used on a player that can play multiple spots across the offensive line, and they probably will play. They'll start double-digit games just because of the nature of how banged up that offensive line has been. So, no, definitely an interesting one to watch.

I'm curious to see what Cam Juergens looks like when he comes back. It's interesting too, real quick, like how much this has calculated into how the egos are going to approach the draft. Yeah. Like it's like you go into the draft thing. Well, we'll talk about this. Like what happens with AJ and there's other things that will determine what and lanes replacement. But like now you have now you've got interior line problems. And like there's just there's a lot of things going on.

The eagles are like, yeah, it happens so fast. He went from not that many concerns in the starting on the depth chart on all. offense to like, wow, there's a lot going on here. Yeah, yeah. All right, that's going to do it for what's brewing, presented by Wawa. Wawa's got a great offer, any sizzly, any hot or iced coffee, and a hash brown for $5 from 5 a.m. to 11 a.m. So it's a good deal. I love the Wawa app. Dude, Wawa saves me so much. I, like, Bo usually does the Wawa ad reads, but I've got some personal testimonials saved up for this week that you guys are going to hear about. I wanted to talk to about Jalen Carter. You know, you and I were texting before the show. And I think we may see this

differently, whether or not a Jalen Carter extension is on the, and I apologize, I should have let you you present it because it was your list. So what was one of the top things on your list regarding Jalen Carter? One of the top things on my list regarding Jalen Carter was do your best to try to get an extension done this offseason rather than next off season. Obviously, the Eagles are going to pick up the fifth year option that they are due to do that this off season. But I think, It's a hefty fifth year option as well. I'm going to pull it up while you talking. Well, it's a weird, it's an interesting time to be the Eagles and to be Jalen Carter and to be

pursuing an extension right now. And you might say it's a little too early if you're an Eagles fan. Yeah, we don't have to do this right now. But like this is sort of like a strike when the iron's hot type of situation. It's like he's coming off his worst season, I would say. I would say even his rookie season was better than. Yeah, his sack production at the very least. has been progressively going down.

Right. And even like his, he ran out of gas at the end of that, at the end of that rookie year. He just wasn't that good this year. And he was hurt. Yeah. And he had to get multiple injections in his shoulders

to get through the rest of the season. A problem that he said would probably need to get revisited this offseason. Yeah. So, so there's two sides to this, right? It takes two to tango in any sort of negotiation.

If you're Jalen Carter, why would you do a deal right now? Because you're coming off your worst season. Well, If you're Jalen Carter and Drew Rosenhouse, I mean, is there a guarantee that Jalen Carter gets back to 95% of the level he played in 2024, which would put him at and above the contract Milton Williams guy? It would reset the market for interior alignment, right? Does he get back to that? I'm sure if you're Jalen Carter and you're confident in yourself, you believe that.

But there's also, you might know something more than we do about your shoulders and the future of those shoulders. And if you're the Eagles, it's like, okay, well, we might not be able to, quote, unquote, afford this player. They will, you know, they'll make it work to sign them. But you could get Jailen Carter at sort of a discount. Yeah. Right now. It's interesting you say that because when we went into the season, I said, I felt like Jalen Carter wasn't really playing to reset the defensive tackle market, but reset. Maybe not reset, but sit atop the non-quarterback market.

And the difference is about $10 million, which is significant, especially with how high of a number we're talking about. The defensive tackle market, we mentioned it earlier. Chris Jones is at $31 million. I feel like if you were doing a Jalen Carter extension right now, you're probably still around that number. And if you, if Jalen Carter had played exceptionally well this season, now you're talking high 30s, low 40s, where Michael Parsons and Miles Garrett are. Obviously, there's not a defensive tackle in that conversation, but I do think that he is. is a young enough player with enough upside and really enough of a track record already in his career, not maybe not having the elite production, but being the game record, being the

player that the whole game plan has to be built around if you're the opposing offense. I think he has enough of a track record of that where you would have been in those conversations. I think if you... Are you talking yourself into... No, I'm talking. And so here's what I would say. The way that this season went for him, I actually... Because the last thing I'll say to talk myself into what you're saying here is the Eagles history, every indication of what the Eagles do would suggest that they would want to sign Jalen Carter to an extension this offseason.

He's due $26.3 million on the fifth year option, not if the Eagles pick it up, when the Eagles pick it up. And sometimes what they do with those fifth year options is they restructure or they basically use it. They prorate it over the course of the entire contract with an extension. They did that with Devante Smith. So there's even like a financial incentive to extending him this offseason. And the Eagles, again, they always treat it like the price is only going to go up for players like Jalen Carter. The reason why I don't know if an extension gets done this offseason is if I'm the Eagles, I am maybe a little bit alarmed by the fact that the production has pretty steadily gone down.

I think last season was his best season. But again, he went from six-ax in 2023 to four and a half last season, or in 2024 and three last season. His TFL's were a career low. Obviously, again, he was hurt. He missed games. He missed games, but I still think even watching him, his impact was wayward. And I think the injuries had a big part of that. But for that reason, if I'm the Eagles, I wouldn't mind seeing it another year before confirming

that you want to sign this guy to a long-term contract that's at the top of the market anyway. Again, I don't think he gets a, I don't think Milton Williams's contract. Like, that's probably the floor for Jalen Carter. He's a younger player with more upside. So if you're signing the guy to $0.30 million, I think I'd want to see it for another year. And I think Drew Rosenhouse, I think Jalen Carter, well, the fact that his agent is Drew Rosenhaus immediately tells you it's not going to be a team friendly deal. Like it might be team friendly in like, you know, let's let's pull everybody behind the beat reporter curtain, right? Whenever these contracts get reported, it's always a win for the player first.

It's always highest average annual value of any defensive tackle or most money in the deal, most guaranteed, whatever. it is, right? And then a few days later, it comes out, oh, they all said this. You know, all of a sudden, you know, there's four void years and it's more team friendly than we first thought. That's always how these things get reported. So at the very least, if Drew Rosenhouse is your agent, you were going to win that first day by a lot. It's going to be something that grabs a headline and says, this is going to be a great deal or, you know, this is a great deal because of whatever number it was, right? So I think that that's the first thing is I don't think we're talking about like some home cooking or a great deal that you're going to get.

And if I'm Jalen Carter, I probably also think, like, the Micah Parsons deal is probably not actually attainable for an interior rusher, but I mean, you could get a lot closer with the great season. So I think that there's a way for both sides

to talk themselves into revisiting this next year, especially because they have the fifth year option where there's not this urgency to do it right away. Yeah, just like there's a risk there for the Eagles. There's a risk that Jalen Carter looks like 2024 Jalen Carter next year. and you even if it's like you're I still agree if they have to if they if this happens and he signs an

extension this off season it is going to cost a lot of money but like if you can save six million dollars on an annual basis that's like not that's not nothing that's like that's that's another free agent you can sign now like now this is another thing we brought up on the show last week we did we had a no bad ideas podcast and beau was howie roseman and we I was a low level staff where they got fired like 10 times I turned I'd actually tuned into some of that show I appreciate you watching. It was a tough show for me. And one of those no bad ideas was,

do you actually trade Jalen Carter? Do you actually use... Because in this scenario where maybe it is the fifth year option is all... Like maybe he has a great season next year and he's about to come back on the fifth year option. You don't want to extend him. You still have some options there. You still have trade value.

I don't think that it is actually a good idea. I think, you know, again, everything Hallie Rosen has said about AJ Brown, right? It's hard to find players that good. I think for those reasons, you probably wouldn't want to do that. But I still think you have enough options. And I think with how expensive the contract, the baseline of the contract is going to be, I still think, I don't know, I'm still leaning toward that not being at the top of the to do list. Yeah.

And what you're saying here, like, if John Carter returns to form and you get it like, and you have to sign him, I don't, you don't worry about the cost of it. That is a player you signed to whatever he wants. and maybe sorry Cooper to Gene or whoever else. No, I don't say that. I'm just saying. If Jalen Carter is the Jalen Carter that we know he's capable of playing, he's the most important player on the defense. Right.

Yeah. So that means someone else in the defense will eventually be expendable. Sorry, sorry Jalek's Hunt, we're going to draft an edge rusher and we're not going to resign you. The Eagles will figure that out. If he returns to form, Jalen Carter, it should be in no question. He is the one that you're right about these things. That's the player he built around.

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That's 50% off 50% off 50, your first year at Monarch. com with the code P-H-L-Y. All right, we are back on the P-H-L-Eagle show. I wanted to, you know, our audience doesn't know you, like I know you. I wanted to give you an opportunity to give our audience at least one restaurant recommendation in the city because you are like a top, I'd say your top three foodie that I know. Wow. I wasn't prepared for this.

I mean, but you have a place you love. See, I'm not going to go like, I'm not going like, Philly Mag top 50 type place. Okay. I'm not doing that. I can't believe I just shouted out Philly Mag when I'm an Inquirer employee. Well, Craig, I'm so sorry.

But you guys have a great food record. Yeah, I mean, yeah, the 76 is great. Check it out, Inquirer.com slash food. I think that's what it is. It might not even be that. So I'm not even going to go to a place that's on to 76. And I'm not going to go high end. I'm just going to give you my local favorite pizza shop near me.

I mean, that's what we eat. I'm a big pizza guy. La Rosa pizza, Broad Street, Broad and Snyder. Just unbelievable. Great bang for your buck. And that's my restaurant recommendation. I could go, Alice, if I'm being Jordan Milada.

I'm going to steal a couple here. I'm going to steal a couple. Yeah. Jordan Milata loves himself from Alice. I've been to Royal Izakaya. I did one time at the Omikaze. I'll never go back because you can't get in. Jesse Edo, I know you're watching right now.

Please make your Omikaze more accessible. Is he actually watching? He's definitely not watching. Okay. I mean, I think it's 2.30 and he's probably, actually, he's probably close today. I would say he's probably cutting some fish and getting ready for the night. Okay. I mean, when I cut my fatty tuna, I also watch the PHLY show.

So that's my recommendation for the day. Nice, nice. Yeah, I would get into conversations. One of the things I miss the most about working at the Inquirer is just being in the huddle with you guys. You, Jeff, Jeff, and Olivia. But the one thing I don't miss is when you guys would get talking about restaurants, I had to unsubscribe from the conversation because I'm not as much of a Philly foodie as you guys. I don't live in the city.

Yeah, but I do appreciate. I'll text you guys out of the blue and say, I need good food. Where to get it. So I always appreciate you for that. I feel like I've been going through my list a little bit more quickly than you. So I'm going to give you another chance here to tell me one of the things on your to-do list. It's when we disagree on. Let's fight.

The Eagles should keep A.J. Brown. They should make the decision to keep A.J. Brown very soon and move on with their off season. See, you and I don't disagree on this. What do you know? We solve world peace. The Eagles should keep AJ Brown the way that the Eagles should have kept Jeff Stalyn. I don't think it's that binary. I don't think it's as easy as saying like, oh, AJ Brown's a really good receiver.

He shouldn't go anywhere. I think that what AJ wants is a real question here. We didn't hear from AJ. Obviously, AJ's done, he did, I would say small media tour around the Super Bowl. But he hasn't really made it clear what he wants out of this. And I do think that the version. of AJ that you got last year, I don't know if I'd sign up for that for another year.

I would. You would. The checked out AJ that you lost games in part because of missed opportunities with him. I'm not sure I subscribed fully to that belief. Did the Eagles lose against the 49ers because of AJ? They lost to the Broncos because of AJ. I don't think they lost to the 49ers because of him, no.

They lost to the Broncos because of AJ. I mean, in the sense that the one, the one play that would have resolved than a touchdown did not result in a touchdown. Yeah. And did he stop running? Do we know why he stopped running? Do we know what happened? I've consistently on this show set, I don't think that AJ has lost a step.

Maybe like I actually, our former colleague Jeff McLean put it well when he said an eighth of a step maybe, maybe a, you know, 16th of a step. But I think he is physically still the same player. I think what we saw last year is a frustrated AJ Brown. And again, I'm not sure I'd sign up for that for another year, especially. We just talked about all the needs that they're going to have on the offensive line. The needs that they're going to have, even if they keep AJ at receiver. You know, they have Devante.

And if they had AJ, you still need to kind of like inject some youth in that position and inject, honestly, just some different styles into that position, in my opinion. Darius Cooper or racer? I mean, I like Darius Cooper. I am not the biggest Darius Cooper fan on this show, usually, today maybe. You definitely are today. But I do think that, no, I think they should address it in the. the draft and then tight end is a humongous question mark for this team. So I think that there is a path where it will be mutually beneficial for the Eagles to move AJ Brown. I think that AJ, again,

my guess is he would welcome that based off the way that the last season went. So yeah, I agree with you. They should keep him. It would be great if they could have one of the best receivers in football, but I just don't think it's that simple. I think there's more of a path to keeping him than there was, let's say, Kevin Batula remained the offense coordinator. I don't know if I agree. Well, I know he likes Kevin Batulo. I just mean you can sell that changes are coming to the offense to him right now. You couldn't have done that a couple weeks ago. We now have witnessed the Eagles hire multiple new coaches on offense.

There's a strong argument to be made that they are going to run an entirely new scheme next year. And that one that should fit AJ Brown well. One that should fit AJ Brown well. Yeah. There's an art like and we talk about do you want disgruntled AJ? How happy was AJ in 2024 and they won the Super Bowl? Oh, he wasn't. I think the version of AJ last year was different.

It was definitely worse and it was different. But like we're acting like A.J. Brown was like a like didn't have incidents in 2024 when they won the Super Bowl. Yeah. The nature of them was different though. Yeah. He would be frustrated after one specific game. And I think that honestly, I think that that built up into last season. You know, because from talking to AJ, I know that like he tries to push buttons or pull levers,

whatever you want to say. Intentionally. Intentionally to get the offense to look a way that he wants it to look and get the main characters behind the Eagles offense to kind of come to his side of the argument, which is that what is he always said? We're takers. We should take what we want.

Go out there and let your killers do the work. He wants the Eagles Offence to look like that. And I think he always believed that the only way that he could make it look that way is by doing the things that he did. I think that at some point last year, like the damn broke. He was like, this isn't working. and now I am just, now there is like a perpetual frustration.

I don't know if there's a way back for that reason. And if there's not, maybe you do. Maybe you sign up for a frustrated AJ. I think it's a little bit like reductive to just say like, oh, it doesn't matter. Like if the Eagles want him back, he's got to be back. I think that there are like layers here that you have to account for. And for that reason, I mean, I've consistently said like 60, 40,

I think 60% chance he's traded. So there's a 40% chance. 40% chance he's back. And there's also every chance that, you know, November rolls around next year and he's leading the NFL and receiving yards. And we're like, man, can you believe they almost traded him? Like, case in point, Dallas Goddard lasts the offseason. Like, we talked all offseason about how we didn't think he'd be back.

He was back and he put up a career high in touchdowns. So there are definitely like ways for this to resolve itself that are with AJ as a part of it. I would just not predict that that's going to happen. Yeah, I just think now, if you're the Eagles, there are too many repercussions from what happens when AJ's not here. Yeah. That get in the way of things you need to address that are more important than wide receiver right now. Because obviously, the Eagles need to fix wide receiver three for assuming AJ's back. There's no way there is Cooper.

Rashid with the Seahawks. Yeah. The Eagles, like there's. You remember they had Romeo Dob. There's only one guy like that. Well, there's, you know, it's not just like snap your fingers and find a guy like that. But, like, that Quez Watkins mold, it's almost like they learn the wrong lesson from Quez Watkins.

It's like, no, you need a better version. You don't need to go away from, like, the guy who can, because really, like, if the, the best version of that third wide receiver behind two juggernauts like AJ and Devante, to me, is someone who can only, who only needs one touch to change the entire game. Not easy to find those guys, sure, but, I mean, Rashid Shaheed was traded for, I think it was a day three pick. So you can find those guys. Yeah, but just the trickle down that's going to happen. Like, yeah.

I fully, and you fully. believe this. Devante Smith is very capable of leading an entire offense as being wise. Especially in this offense, the system that they are envisioning here. Yeah. I think he would be, I think he's the biggest winner with Sean Manion being hired at this point.

So you trade A.J. Brown for whatever it is. Pick 32. Pick whatever. 31 or 20, whatever the bills are Patriots. 23, 26. Yeah. Who's lining up a receiver next year, Devante Smith and who? We talked about Brian Thomas Jr. As somebody that you could trade for, you trade a day two pick

for him and you use that first rounder to honestly like reinforce the offensive line. I think that that version of the Eagles offense, I'm pretty excited about that one. I think you could, I think you could make an argument. All right, I'm sold. I changed my line. Yeah, Brian Thomas Jr. with like some young offensive lineman to like probably somebody at left guard and, you know, somebody like an insurance plan at center or right guard.

So, yeah. No, I think that that, I think there are ways that you could trade agent. Brown and make the Eagles offense look like a dynamic offense that Sean Mannion has a lot to work with. But I do, I agree that trading a player that good invites a lot of variance and invites a lot of just like, you know, it could go terribly wrong for you trading a player as good as AJ Brown. I get it. Totally. All right.

You want one from my list? Yes. Now, we talked, I mean, listen, we gave you guys like 46 minutes of Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, A.J. Brown. I know where this is going. I want to sweat the small stuff. I'm not even going to call the small stuff. It's not. This stuff is important.

Resign Braden, man. Have to. Has to happen. Non-starter. Yeah. And there's not even that much to say about that. Just resign him. He was a, well, I would say slightly above league average punter last year.

He's solid holder. I think he was more than slightly above league as a punter next year. All right. So, this is where I need to show my work. So are you in the DMs right now? I am because I'm going to show this. I'm not going to show this. but I'm going to cite it for the audience.

This guy gets DMed punter stats. So puntillytics came up on the show. Okay. The other day. And Bo tried to make me sound like a hater of puntillytics. I love puntalytics. I love the work that they do for beat writers like us. This is me learning about it for the first one.

We don't. Oh, my. Get out. Get out. Hand up. How do you not know puntylytics? As a beat reporter, we watch punters. We like to think we know something.

A thing or two. We watch about punters. But yeah, you know, the old newspaper. paper guy over here. He's typing away. He's on deadline when the, when the punting units out there. So the good people at PuntaLytics tell me what I need to know about punters. And Bo made it sound like I didn't like them because I kind of deviated a little bit. So I have heard from the people at Puntax, the good people. And they said that he, Bradman started the year strong, but fell off midway through. He's a league average punter and I imagine how he thinks that's plenty

good. So shout out to the people at Punta Litton. That wasn't numbers. That was kind of a, that was an opinion by the punta lytics. No, no, they're puntillinics. Is it missed his puntiles? I don't know. It's rooted in data and film study though. You don't have the data for us? We went through it on the other, I'll show the other day. I didn't watch that one. Find punta politics on social media. Give him a follow. Shout out to those guys. We are going to take our our fine take our find take our fine take our fine take our fine take our fine take our fine take our for Jeff Nevers. So stay tuned. We'll be right back. My first loan out of college for my first car, my first real car, was through True Mark Financial, which is why I'm excited to tell you guys about their home equity line of credit.

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Must be 21 or order and physically located in PA. If you were someone you know has a gambling problem and wants help, call 1-800 gambler. On the PHY Eagle show. I agree. Who put that in there? Machiavel said that Bo saw that I was killing the host role and decided to be a saboteur. I mean, I don't want to say I was killing the host role,

but I do think that there's a chance that Bo. You're doing okay. Yeah, Beau, Bo wanted to make sure that he threw a monkey wrench into things here. We have some breaking news, actually. Some Eagles news to talk about. According to Matt Zenitz, Parks Frazier is going to be the Eagles quarterbacks coach next season. Obviously, Parks Frazier was the past game.

coordinator last year and is staying on staff and working closely with Jalen Hertz next season I guess what do you think about that Jeff what's your reaction my first reaction is obviously Jalen Hertz likes Parks Frazier that's that is answer number one yeah and the Eagles don't think that Parks Frazier as past game coordinator was part of the problems was part of the main problem with the offense last year so my first reaction is Jalen Hertz definitely approved this Jalen Hertz likes working with Parks Frazier the Eagles think Parkeshaer is a bright offensive mind and they wanted to keep them in the building and obviously Sean Mannion must like him too. So while we've seen some turnover at some of these other offensive positions,

this one is going to be a holdover, although in a much different role. Yeah, to me, it is surprising that they didn't go with somebody who has a background in more of a Mannion influence, at least that shared the influences that Sean Mannion had, whether that is Matt LaFleur, Sean McVeigh. He had the one year in Miami with Mike McDaniel, and the year before that, he was with the Carolina of Panther staff. So, but before that, it was the Indianapolis Colt Staff, which with Nick Sierraani. Right. So that surprises me that they didn't go with somebody, especially you hear so much about how much Sean Mannion is going to emphasize footwork. And, you know, the importance of timing up your drops with the, with the, with the, with the, with the,

the, um, the timing of the routes and making sure that you are pointed in the where you need to be, again, to get the ball with timing and anticipation into tight windows. I am a little surprised. You know, I know that the name Greg Olson, Greg Olson, not Greg Olson, was floated as a potential quarterbacks coach there for the Eagles. And I thought that one made sense because he has a lot of experience coaching in these systems where they harp on those things. I think you're right. It probably does speak to the fact that him and Jalen formed the strong relationship last

year. But yeah, no, it does surprise me to a certain extent that they went with somebody with more of a background in the Nick Siriani side of this offense than necessarily somebody who had worked with some of the same people as Sean Mannion. Yeah, I mean, maybe they view it as a little bit of a blending of both worlds. I think that year in Miami is like, okay, we've got some of this McDaniel influence, some of this McVeigh or whatever, kind of assimilation of sorts, blending of the languages, blending of the-

I think that that has been an understated part of this. Now, I'm not saying that this offense is going to look like a meshing between these two. We don't know what the offense is going to look like, but I do think that the idea that this is all, going to be a Sean Manion production that Nick Siriani won't have say and that there won't be elements of this offense that trace back to past iterations of the Eagles offense. I do think that that has maybe been an underrepresented argument here. You know, we talked with Nate Tice last week, I think it was last week at the Super Bowl, are on Radio Row. And he mentioned that

Sean Mannion's roots in college do actually have some connection to what Nick Siriani likes in the past game. So I think that that's probably, you know, when we hear from Nick Serriani next, I wonder if that is something he talks about. The fact that Sean Mannion has the McVe, Shanahan, LaFleur influence, but he also has an understanding of kind of the same fundamental concepts and philosophies that help shape what Nick likes to do on offense. And I wonder if this Parks-Frasier move is kind of an indication. Again, there's something that we talked about last week where it's like, it is more of like a meshing of last year's staff trying to move forward rather than a complete overhaul like it kind of did seem like when they hired

Sean Mania in the first place. Sounds like something you might want to ask next week at the combine. It's a perfect segue. I mean, I guess it's not a perfect segue for what we ended up doing. We did we batted around talking about combine questions, but that's like old reporter inside baseball. I didn't know if the audience would love it as much. But yeah, no, this one, this one's surprising to me.

The other thing I wanted to say is that Parks Frazier spent two years as an assistant quarterback's coach with the Indianapolis. Colts. He's never led a quarterback room before. And I do think that that's significant and it's important to keep in mind because- The offensive coordinator is a quarterback. Keep that in mind. Well, but I just think the guy in the room with Jalen Hertz every day matters. It's a very important thing. Now, again, I think that the relationship side of it is probably just as important as like, you know, running the room and understanding some of the intricate details of the system. But no, I would have expected them to go with an experience head there.

Yeah, I'm not terribly surprised, honestly. I don't know. I don't know what the quarterback coach market looks like this time of year. Well, I mean, Greg Olson was the name we were expecting. So, but it is interesting. Again, I think that Parks Frazier is somebody who is well thought of in the building, despite the way that last year went. So, yeah, no, it's a, I guess is that, that's pretty much everything on the staff, right? I mean.

Yes, why receivers coach is staying. Yeah, running back. Running back is staying. Yeah. I mean, quarterback's coach was the last big one left. So, yeah, no, they're, they're pretty much. much got the staff assembled, which is ironic because of the fact that, I mean, we are really late in the cycle. Yeah. It's, it was a weird year for coaching turnover in general. All right.

Let's get back to the list. The lists. Lesticles. Do you have some left? Uh, I've got one we've got the same. We've got one left that are the same, I think. I've got two. I've got one big one and one small one. You can pick. You want the big one or the small one? Let's do the edge rusher. Okay. There's two of them, right? Actually. I think you pick up Nolan Smith's fifth, fifth year option. You do because you have to. Yeah. But it's not cheap.

I mean, it's 15 million. It's like 15.4 million dollars for his fifth year option. Shout out to Jimmy Kemsky, by the way. Yeah. I mean, and if you do, it's probably the last year Nolan Smith is an eagle. I'm not bullish on his long-term feature with the Eagles. It's funny because a year ago this time, you would have expected that Nolan Smith was really had a lot of momentum going into getting an extension this time in this offseason.

Hello, Jaylix Hunt. Yeah, but it has been a very up and down experience for Nolan Smith. And he kind of does, I mean, we're what, two years away from it? He does kind of have that gets highly paid in free agency, but not with the Eagles vibe to me. Yeah, totally. I just don't see it here. I think they're going to end up committing to Jellix Hunt. I don't think you need to pay both of them.

I think it's a position where, let's say, Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis, Quinnian Mitchell and Cooper to Jean, are long-term people. pieces for the defense. You're not going to add on it. You tried to let Cooper de Gene walk in free agency earlier in the show. You have had an excellent show, but that one I should have given you more flack for it in the moment. Cooper to Gene is an important part of that. He is. He is. Him and Quinyan feel like the types of players that aren't going on. So let's talk about other players that could be casualties of these. Of the expensive defense. It's no one's before. I mean, there's just no way. It's a position. Ed is going to be a position,

I think, where the Eagles are not going to have like long-term cogs. Maybe Jalx hunt. But I think it's going to be a pretty rotational position for this stretch of defense right now. Let me, the next couple of years. Let me play devil's advocate. Because when we were talking about Jordan Davis being like a schematic game changer for a Vic Fangio system, if you are thinking that Jim Schwartz,

I think that Jim Schwartz's like succession plan is probably a little bit overstated at this point. It would be a humongous departure from the way that they operate defensively. And I want to give that caveat. But playing devil's advocate, if you do think that there's a chance, Jim Schwartz is in your future. You will want an edge rusher rotation

more than you would actually want like, you know, this different like stylistic group of defensive tackles where you've got nose tackles and three techniques. So in that world, maybe this time next year, Nolan Smith's conversation flips again. But I do think, I don't know, I'm a little bit like,

I could go either way on the edge rusher roster building. Because Howie Rosman's philosophy would be to prioritize that dressers, you know, to make sure that, like a player like Nolan Smith is in that, like, oh, it's a homegrown player at a premium position. But no, I just, I'm with you, but I think that there's still a chapter left to be told in this story. And we will continue that story in EJ time. I love the reactions of people who aren't familiar with the overtime thing.

I was like, what is this? Because I have something I want to say. I'm like, you just cut it me off. I was vamping to make sure that you didn't start talking before I had to throw it to overtime. I was like, is he like, I'm not just not going to be allowed to talk. I hope that that was a natural enough vamp. I was like, let me just, you know, run the clock out.

Because, yeah, I mean, I didn't want to have to interrupt you. That would be rude. So can I say it now? You can, yeah. I think it's. I'm going to clear the floor. I'm going to give you the ISO. I think it's like patently absurd to operate.

to operate under the assumption that we're going to hire this defensive coordinator next year. You might not have the same head coach. The organization, you might not have the same quarterback. I think the defensive coordinator is probably isolated from that whole thing. But go on.

What if you hire a defensive-minded coach who wants to, like, there's so many unknown things. It's like, well, if Vic's gone, we're just going to hire Jim Schwartz and we have a succession plan of place. It's a crazy way to operate a franchise. Like, oh, let's set up our roster this way because we might hire this guy in one year.

What if he's not available? What if he gets a head coaching job somewhere else? He's not going to be the head coach here. Yeah, I agree. I mean, you're not building your roster thinking, oh, well, Vic might only be here for one year, and then we might hire Jim Schwartz. You're not doing that.

Absolutely not. I just, I think that a lot can change in 12 months for Nolan Smith, which is why you pick up the fifth year option, but you don't extend him this offseason. You see what it looks like over the next 12 months. So that was the big one I have left. Do you have any other left on your list? I think it was the last one on my list was,

decide that you're probably not going to be in the market for Jalen Phillips? Yeah, I think Jalen Phillips is the type, if we're talking like three weeks, like, you know, before free agency this to-do list, yeah, you're probably not resigning Jalen Phillips. I think he will want to test the market. And I don't know what his market's going to look like. You know, we talked about it last week, you know, Chase Young at $17 million a year. It's probably the floor for Jalen Phillips. They're very similar players with similar profiles and similar injury.

histories. And for that reason, I think you probably get priced out if you're the Eagles. The scenario where he's back is one where his market doesn't materialize. And at that point, I do think the Eagles would love to have him. And I think he'd like to be back. I just think it's one of those. I think Jalen Phillips, I think I said it last week, I think Jalen Phillips is like the one of the most likely like, you know, the moratorium period opens on, I think it's a Monday, right? Moratorium period opens on a Monday. All the beat reporters are sitting at home watching NFL network, trying to figure out what's about to happen. And within the first eight minutes, Jalen Phillips signs a three-year deal worth 60 million

with, you know, however much guaranteed, like a decent guarantee. And, you know, all the beat reporters will tweet, Jalen Phillips signs elsewhere, you know, and we all just send the same thing out. You know, I could see that. There's always one player like that. You know, last year it was ironically DeAndre Swift, like just got snatched up fast. But yeah, no, I do think, or no, sorry, it was two years ago that happened. Time flies.

But yeah, I think that there's a chance that that's Jalen Phillips. If that's not the case with him, then I start to think, okay, will he come back on a prove it year with the Eagles, try to play for a contender and try and get paid next year. Yeah. Shout out to Steve Whitaker real quick. I love Steve. I thought about playing Robert Duvall when RIP. The news broke that he died before the show started.

And I tried to get Lindsay to print me out Robert Duvall. Yeah, I don't know how I feel about you trying to get Lindsay to do things for you. I was, have some respect to the P.H.I. If you didn't, if you didn't, you know, cut me off on EJ time, sorry. I was going to say it felt a little weird to be asking a producer that I just met for the first time an hour and 20 minutes ago to do something for me that was so absurd and so copying the real host of the show. So I decided against it. We were going to do it. We were really considered it.

We did not consider it at all. I was going to say I'm used to, you know, just coming up with crazy ideas. So that was just run of the mill. Well, the problem with that, too, is like, like, what, I don't know the voice. It's like, there's no, it would just be spitball. Yeah, Bo doesn't have to practice. He just can do any. I don't have that ability.

So Lindsay will do power rankings and Bo is always number one, which like. We did like three times. Yeah, but he was number one every time. I mean, three for three. That's a pattern. I was supposed to, no, no, he was last one time. But that day, Lindsay included her husband in the power rankings just so I wouldn't be number one. Power ranking of what?

The hosts? My, this is my favorite. Does your husband host the show? No. No, it was just because he did all the shoveling for the snowstorms. I mean, that's a... I'm not saying it was incorrect. What did you do?

I showed respect to the production staff at P.H.O.I. I think I'm very nice to Lindsay. Shulling the home front is like, it's a whole different thing. But, you know, one day I want to be at the top of these power rankings. We should bring the power rankings. Well, then will you be nice to the guests and you'll just have them, number one? I feel like it'd be unfair to do it with a guest. Exactly.

Oh. How would you power rank today's show? One. I don't know what two and three and four are, but great show. No, me versus me and E.J. Oh, I think he said the show. Yeah. He can take it.

He's got thick skin. No, I would give E.J. one because he's been doing really good. I think we bonded over campus corner earlier. Yeah, that's true. All right. You're out. Number one. I'm number one today.

It makes me feel good. I have one more on my list for you here. It's another, I mean, it's an important movement. but maybe less relatively smaller. I think you release Michael Carter and restructure his deal. Or at the very least you release him and you leave the door open for him to return on a much smaller contract. I think he's due something like, I should have had it up. I apologize.

I didn't think we could get anything less consequential than Braden Man, but here we are in overtime. E.J. time. The Eagles can save $8.7 million on the cap by releasing Michael Carter. They definitely should do it. I just like I'm not worried about bringing him back is my point. Oh, I think he has some positional versatility. Vic obviously saw something in him for them to trade for him. He played a little bit down the stretch as well.

So I think it would make sense to bring him back. But I mean, this is more like we can clip this when it happens because it's going to happen. They will save money on the cap by cutting him. So it will happen at some point. That's like it's almost like a, it'd be like roster malpractice, cat malpractice to do that. Michael Carter. Yeah, totally against the cap. So, but I do think bringing him back would make.

sense? Yeah, I mean, for the reasons you described, for sure. I just, you know, I'm not anticipating going into the season that Michael Carter is going to be seeing the field very often. So in that regard, I find him to be an inconsequential type of player, but you are right. In a world where like read signs elsewhere, I think you probably want to have a more solid option of safety. Isn't that, isn't that probably the world that exists? More read signs elsewhere? I think he's more likely to come back than sign elsewhere. I think also they're like, I think people think Philadelphia, overrate how good he's. We're all just guessing on what his market will. Yeah, totally. He's like a fine safety. I think he's better than fine. I think he's important for what the

Eagles do, which is why we overrate him. I think the players value him because of the amount of traffic that he directs in the secondary. So I think he'll be back. But yeah, I think if a team overpay, if a team pays more than what the Eagles want to pay, I mean, it's common sense. I'll sign out there. I think that's really the conversation with Reed is like, will another team just like reset what you would expect his market to look like. Yeah. So, all right. I had some other fun things I wanted to ask you about, but I think we hit on most of them.

I said funny things you can ask Jeff about restaurants, his nihilism. One of the most nihilistic people I've ever met, which makes you very similar to Bell, honestly. Yeah. So it's good to trim that chair. Are you asking me a question? I don't have a question about your nihilism. I mean, this show is just vapor. It's going to exist on the internet and like no one's going to care about it.

And at the end of the day, like, it doesn't mean anything. So there you go. There's your, there's nihilist corner with nihilist Nyberg over here. There we go. I just patented a new segment on the show. I hope that Lindsay's clipping that this show is just vapor for the blueboard. Well, that's how I'm stealing that quote from, from Woj. This show is just.

Well, that when Woj left, reported. Yeah, he's like, it's all just vapor. Yeah. I mean, he also like had like a health scared, like made him like things. like none of this matters anymore. So he was like, yeah, so he was like all of this reporting, breaking news on the NBA. It's all just vapor. And it is.

Who cares? No one's going to remember in like three years who announced that Kevin Durant signed with Houston. Like no one cares. I don't know if I agree with that, but I do think. Only a dork journalist. I'm like, oh, but just you remember when Woj had that scoop? Perspective is important.

I think that is, sure. We can agree on that. And I did want you to, I wanted to give you a minute to talk about Jihad Campbell's love for you and your love for Jihad Campbell. Oh, okay. I mean, I just like, I would say, uh, we get along very well. He loves you. Yeah, I mean, we have a good working relationship and also like friendly relationship.

Yeah, I'm not trying to make it sound like you're unprofessional. You're very professional. Yeah, he appreciates you. We get along very well. Um, someone hates me. So, wow, I hate this guy. A lethal in face. Um, hates nihilism.

Uh, uh, um, jihad Campbell, I think, uh, you know, I don't, I don't want to say that he got like a raw deal this year. They did a better player that was playing it, that played over him in the second half of the season. And I thought he handled it very well. He did. He was open with us about how he felt about it. He's young, right? Like people, people like forget about that. That dude is young.

I've said on the show before, like he's like a great Dane puppy. Yeah. Like he is like kind of like goofy and silly, which is not what you expect from an Alabama player. Yeah. But he has this like huge personality. Yeah. And I do think like the respect that players like Seekuan Barkley and Zach Bonn, Jalen Carter, the way that these guys like look at jihad they look at him like you are going to be one of the

best players in the league one day not to say that you know that he's actually going to do that but it's been very interesting to watch him integrate in the eagle's locker yeah and he just the the story from him and i is like the toward the end of the year he like wasn't playing i mean i wasn't playing obviously but like he made fun of me two days in a row for like silly things and i was like i play i was like that's like that's like kind of mean dude and he was like he stopped me and he was like dude, you're one of the coolest reporters in here, bro, and gave me a fist bump right in front of me. Right in front of me. I mean, geez. I'm just saying.

So maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, you know, when I break big stories in a couple of years and quoted the sources, maybe you'll know the sources, jihad can. Maybe. A pre-revealing of the source. Not supposed to do that. That's a pre-reveal. That's not what they taught us in time. That's right. All right.

Where can the people find your work, Jeff? Inquirer.com. Do you have the slash Jeff Nyberg? Can you do that with yours? He's going to try it live on the great podcasting here. I mean, mine still works. I'm pretty sure. No.

No. All right. So just Inquirer. com. You can check out. Enquirer. Eagles coverage, college basketball, coverage Villeneva basketball.

Lindsay loves Villeneva basketball. This is an every man right here. One of my favorite blue guy and my class loves you, by the way. So be sure to check out. Oh, go ahead. As you say, Jeff, who's your favorite Villanova basketball player? ever ever ever wow ever who's my favorite favorite basketball player I mean favorite one to watch I mean Colin Gillespie was so

fun to watch because it all just came out of nowhere he was like a senior without any scholarship offers so I'm a shot at the inquire again Matt Breen were a great story a couple of weeks ago about Matt Breen's about Colin Gillespie's rise from like nothing to to this NBA player who's going to make a ton of money on his next contract he was a lot of fun to watch back in the day I when I was going to games when when my dad on campus corner was like a Brooke sales like there's like these that's like a throwback man they're talking like mid 90s yeah um yeah I mean like they've all been fun to watch the archie deacchano ready I was gonna say I'm taking Ryan Archie Diocono shout out to the Archie

Diocono family yeah um wrote a story about them probably like seven years ago now and they are just incredibly nice people yeah so Kyle Lowry thanks for that one Joe Rock good call very good call sixers coach Kyle Lauer's I love a player coach A player coach is great. Yeah, you need those. Oh, I'm going to flip this back on you before we have the show. Who would be the Eagles player coach? It means the obvious answer to bring to him.

That's obvious answer. Oh, yeah, that's sorry. That is the obvious answer. Because he literally is. Brett Toh is an assistant offensive line coach. When you see him on the sideline, it's like he's in his full uniform, but he's like, he's like not actually. Obviously, he's not preparing to play, but he's like iPad headset. Yeah, he plays.

Yeah, BG plays. Yeah, BG play. Yeah, BG for sure. Sorry, BG for Phaugh. I mean, I like a Brett Toh. I like a Brett Toh is a nice guy. He's just probably not going to be here much longer. Yeah.

All right. Well, I mean, this is good stuff. I appreciate you joining us. That's going to do it for the P.H.O.Y. Eagles podcast. Thank you to Jeff for joining us. Thank you to Lindsay for being on the once and twos. What does Bo even say with these things? Yeah.

So I will be back tomorrow with the Duff Man. Me and Fran talking ball. It's going to be fun. And yeah, like I said, we might have a special guest on Wednesday. Maybe somebody whose name has the same initials as Zach Bonn. Maybe. Rhyms to Richard German. I mean, the last name rhymes

Richard German. Bjorn, some people may call him the man, the myth, the legend. So it's going to be a fun week. But yeah, thank you guys for tuning in. What? I'm not even going to read it. I got to get out of the show.

Okay, sorry. So, yeah, we'll be back tomorrow. And as always, we love you. You're all silly like the mayor.