PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles-Packers Preview: Can Jalen Hurts, Eagles BEAT UP Jordan Love & co. once again?

Episode Date: November 7, 2025

A.J. Brown and Saquon Barkley are healthy, DeVonta Smith and Jalen Hurts are coming off huge games, Jaelan Phillips, Brandon Graham and Nolan Smith are ready to reinforce the Eagles’ pass rush and everyone on the team is rested after the bye week. Bad news for Jordan Love and a Packers team that was railroaded by the Eagles twice last season. It’s time for our in-depth preview of Monday Night’s big game with Fran Duffy, Deniz Selman and Bo Wulf, plus EJ Smith zooming in from a distance for Swooper. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to the PHY Eagles podcast live from the Expedity Studio and presented by Bet365 and Ashley, Julia's on a heater. And I'm your host, Bo Wolf, joined by Fran Duffy and the professor, Danes, the dynamic. duo that brought you last Friday's episode, which explained how coconut gets into chocolate. How you guys doing? I thought it was a good explanation. I thought you did a great job. Thank you. Yeah, I wanted to know, like, what is chocolate's favorite position. Evren is at the age now where I'm looking for parenting tips on how to talk about some of this stuff. So, you know, I was taking notes. Just be honest. Just tell the truth. We don't need, like, the metaphors aren't going to suffice.

Just, you know, say with what the deal is. Well, yeah. I mean, I thought that's what Fran did. Yeah. Okay. You'll notice that we promised a forehander, and we've got a three-hander. E.J. quit. It was a matter of time.

It was a matter of time. He found out that everybody here likes Thanksgiving and the turkey's got E. Even I like Thanksgiving, E. which is a surprise. I will say, like, Bravo to E.J. For pointing out correctly your hatred of animals and pets.

It's not hatred, it's ambivalence. And then only topping it, literally the only thing he could have done to usurp that as the biggest takeaway from yesterday's episode was his hatred for no reason whatsoever

of Thanksgiving. Literally nobody. It's like the meme. Like, no one. Literally no one. And then E.J. saying, like, by the way, I hate Thanksgiving.

And by the way, by the way, I'm a food expert because I think stale food's better. That was, that wasn't a good, that wasn't a good moment for the dry cereal team, you know? Like, this is one of our best players. He's just like, I like, I like stale food. Not, not good. So when I'm watching the show from home,

usually it's like I'm working on my watch, I'm doing guys and then I've got it on like on my like third screen. Getting it done inside and outside of the studio. So I'm, I've got it on as like the third screen. So something. Sometimes the video's up, sometimes it's not, sometimes I'm in the chat, sometimes I'm not. When you pet him under the chin, I'm so glad I happened to be looking at the monitor and I literally almost fell out of my chair. By the way, a big day here, and listen, we're going to get really into the weeds of Eagles Packers, all that good stuff.

We've got Swupert to come. I believe we will have an appearance by E.J. or some proxy, whatever it will be. but a big day at at All-City, all-P-H-O-I for Fran Duffy, the debut, the re-debue of an NFL draft podcast. That's right. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, so it's the all-N-F draft

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Dane Bruegler from the Athletic. So Dane and I go. through the entire 2026 draft class. And yeah, big plans for the show in the horizon. So I'm looking forward to doing that every single. And kudos to you. I was impressed that you were able to go 21 minutes or so without mentioning Jackson Haas.

Did I go that long? Yeah. Oh, so I would have taken the under. Yeah. It was great stuff. And by the way, becoming diehard. You get the diehard draft guide. We talk about it ad nauseum,

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The Green Bay Packers, a team for whom Eagles fans are with whom Eagles fans are quite familiar. Took it to them in the playoffs, beat him in Brazil. We had a proxy war over the tush push in the offseason. I think Fran and I agree Jordan Love is the best quarterback in the NFL. How do you feel about this match? EJ agrees with you guys. I thought it was going to be three on one today. You know, you guys lost DJ two on one.

I think I can handle this, but we'll see how it goes. You know what, actually, before we get into this, we've got to do the big takeaway. So forget about all this. The big takeaway presented by Xfinity, and I have something to talk about here. Okay. I had the pleasure of being in the locker room yesterday. And I heard one of the most eye-opening quotes I've ever heard. There's the big scrum around the new guy, Jalen Phillips, and you can put it up here, Julia.

Jalen Phillips says, in regard to the trade, to the Philadelphia Eagles, this is literally the greatest thing that's happened to me in my whole life, probably. So, I mean, I am blown away, obviously. This is a 26-year-old man who has made it to the NFL. You know, he got drafted in the first round after having medically retired. You know, that's up there. You know, being born, you would think, pretty good. Presumably.

Not on most people's list, to be fair. I mean, like, yeah. Sure. That's true. Usually people stick to things they remember. Presumably no longer virgin. All of these cool things that have happened in his life. I did then follow up.

Good thing he was never teammates with Carson Went. I did then follow up to him exclusively and P.H.O. I can report that he is engaged and has a child on the way to be born in March. So that takes care of that. That's good evidence. That takes care of one of those things. Now, to be fair, listen, you want to say like, well, that's that, you know, the baby hasn't been born yet. I haven't been married yet. Maybe those things. But, you know, and he said, okay, maybe I was thinking a little bit more about. about just my professional life. But, you know, that's not what he said. He said his whole life.

So to me, there are, there are a couple explanations here. One, he's lying. He's just, you know, he's pandering. Okay, that's fine. That's one option. Two, he's telling the truth. And it's an interesting follow-up to, you know, examine the rest of his life.

But, you know, I'm glad he's telling the truth. three, he's got like the memory of a goldfish thing and that would be a red flag to me because that's what you want from a corner. You want a corner to have a short memory but you need your edge rusher to be able to study tendencies and remember what moves they've got

so I don't know. I'm a little bit worried about Jalen Phillips but that's more of a short term thing right like so it might be good that he doesn't he's not like filling his brain with things that happened a really long time ago if he remember the film study from this week, that's all you need. So if he's like the film study this week is like the best thing

in my life, like that can be a good thing. Or yeah, maybe he's just like, you know, just always happy. Maybe he has the, he has the perspective that every, every day is the best day of my life, right? Every, every new day is even better than the day before. This might be as good a time as any for me to ask Fran something I wanted to ask him during the show today about Jaylon Phillips. Fran, Fran had Jaylon Phillips way lower on his big board coming out. And we know Fran is a top two, top two draft analyst in the world, if not top one, depends on who you ask. As far as I consider it, top one. Yeah, me too. But, you know, there have been people who have been on the show before, who have, you know, said it's

stain. But that's fine. Way below consensus and way below where he was drafted. And I'm curious, now that he's on the Eagles, how you would describe how he's looked to you in the NFL relative to those expectations and concerns you obviously had for him at the time. And I'm also curious, what is it that made him so low on the board for you? Yeah. For those who don't remember. Sure. It's one of those things where the, uh,

that's why like I don't get too wrapped up in like rankings and board and things like that because, uh, to me he is exactly the player I thought he was capable of being. The only reason he was as low on the board as he was was due to non like film reasons. You know, I think that in terms of like the physical ability, uh, the tools, what he showed in his final year at Miami in college.

Uh, I think that all of that has, is he's turned into exactly the kind of player I anticipated he could become. It was more a guy that had to briefly medically retired due to multiple concussions, the history of medical issues. There were some, you know, there were some like maturity questions as well.

So like, I think just wrapping all of that up, I was like, yeah, like there are questions on this player. And so he dropped into like a developmental, like questionable tier for me, which is fine. But that's, it was a risk that Miami took and he obviously paid off on that. Those kinds of flags are things that I feel like starting in the third round, maybe you roll the dice. But at the time,

I would have thought it was nuts to use a first round pick on him, given that history. Yeah, to me, that's a, it was definitely a big risk for Miami. And Chris Greer has shown in the past, had shown in the past. We've had that discussion. We've had that discussion

when any time a GM gets fired, a small piece of me dies because of all the work I put into GM tendencies. Yeah, no, don't do that, please. But, yeah, he has been a risk taker in the past. And look, Jalen Phillips is a guy that certainly paid off on that risk. Here's my other Jalen Phillips Nugget. We know I've talked about.

He's robbed of the by week. Right. Right. And B.G. had said on Unblock this week, which you can check out, that, you know, he said the same thing to Jalen Phillips. And Jailen Phillips told him, oh, man, I had this. We're going to go to Cabo. So I asked him, you know, about the trip. And especially considering he's got a pregnant fiancé.

I was like, oh, so is she going to just go to Cabo? He's like, oh, no, are you kidding me? You think she gets a free vacation? I got to work. So, I mean, it's not that strange that she's not going, but like, that might not be the best way to describe it. But I thought the reaction, the incredulity was kind of funny. Where would Cabo have ranked on the events in his life, do you think? I mean, I'm in number one since he doesn't remember beyond like what just happened the day before.

All right, that'll do it for the big takeaway presented by Xfinity. And by the way, I will tell you, just, you know, keeping your ear to the grindstone, listening to things around the locker room, I can tell you that in that practice, Jalen Phillips was taking some reps inside. So it's the thing that's going to be a part of things. Good time

to talk about where he's lined up this year, right? I mean, you guys talked about a little earlier in the week, but under Vic... Yeah, who's going to go to the right side? 96% on the left. One snap out of that entire year, 350. He won snaps that year under Vic.

He had one snap on the right and then 14 snaps elsewhere, which is typically in the middle. This year, only 28 snaps not lined up as an edge, but he's had a lot of pressures on those snaps. And that's why, you know, everyone's been talking about those. 80% on the left, 14% on the right. Nolan Smith last year and this year combined, 83% on the left, 10% on the right.

And we did see him and spend some time on the right in training camp, like dedicated days there. And he did play on the right. He didn't play very much, but he played more on the right than on the left as a rookie, Nolan Smith, so for what that's worth. Now, Jalen Phillips has played on the right earlier in his career. First couple of years, he played more on the right. Brandon Graham played more on the right than on the left last year, mainly to accommodate Nolan Smith.

He was 62% on the right, 35 on the left. I don't know how much that matters. I don't know how much he's going to play total, so I don't know how much that matters. But BG is certainly capable, and I know he told you on the podcast that he's willing to play on whichever side. So yeah, it'll be interesting All those snaps in the middle are like third And third and past situation By the way, like he's not lining up there on early days

When you think about let's let's call it Two weeks from now when when Nolan Smith is more fully healthy And Jalen Phillips is fully integrated How do you think the the playing time stack rank goes Of those four of those four guys on the edge Because you would think you want to match one and four In terms of sides right Like let's let's say Jalen Phillips is saying the most snaps

and Brandon Graham's getting the second. And Jalick has shown a lot of versatility left right, right? Yeah. Because I feel like it would be weird if it was, say, Nolan and Jalick's on the right and Jalyn Phillips and Brandon and Graham on the left. And I'm sure, and obviously there's more shuffling than that,

but if you're just thinking about the pairings. Yeah. My guess is that it's Jalen starting on the right, Nolan starting on the left. probably Jalick's back up on the right BG's back on the left and you kind of rank it that way in terms of snap volume as well and Jalen Phillips gets some third down inside rushes I honestly don't think there'll be too much of that

because I think that'll pop up but I think that goes hand in hand with like bumping Ojamo or Jalen Carter outside as opposed to to the bench like I don't think you want to take those guys off the field That's why I'll be fascinated to see what that rotation does look like inside. What about, how do you, how would you feel about like a, let's say third and five and you go with kind of that five, two, but Jalen Phillips is one of the defensive tackles? Well, so it's like, yeah, you know, it's Carter, Ojamo, Phillips, and then, you know, Hunt and Nolan Smith on the other. Like a Rush penny package sort of.

Yeah. So Vic's never done that, not here. Yeah, not a single snap. That's the thing. That was a big like the side thing. We've talked about this before, but there are so many things you can sort of dream about with the variety of people they have on defense.

It's just not really what Vic wants to do. Yeah. I mean, also, like, in his time here, Vic has had a total of seven snaps of having three edges on the field and one defensive tackle in just a regular nickel rush package. And all seven of those snaps

came in the first six games last year. So he hasn't done it a single time, not for a single snap, since week six last year. So it's not something he does. At the same time, he's suddenly, like, eighth in man coverage in the NFL. Like, he's willing to change. Like, so we could see something different. I don't see any reason why on, given this personnel.

Like, definite, like, third and 10 plus, why you would need to have OJMO instead of Jalen Phillips or, you know. I think it would be you're taking Hunt off the field for Jalen Phillips and you're keeping OJMO and Carter on. But why? why does it have to I think that it would some of it will be matchup based we'll talk about like what this looks like against Green Bay's offensive line

this week and you know what are some of the buttons you can push there but I think it does come down to like all right like how do you like your matchups this week do you want to throw more fastballs at the opposing offensive line do you want to try and win with more power against the opposing offensive line I think having the versatility of those guys because it's not just that I mean

like BG obviously we know like lines up inside outside like a lot of these guys have that versatile skill set it'll be interesting if they have such a strong belief in structure. You know, you guys had the one to be GM segment earlier this week. Please check that out. He's talking about it as well. Like, he wants the two safeties to start, you know, high. He doesn't like starting with one on the box. He doesn't want to put the corners

over to one side. And he really wants that defensive line to look like a normal defensive line, like when the snap starts. Like, I mean, he'll have like an overloaded front sometimes and things like that. One snap every three weeks where Jalen Carter will line up as the defensive end. But like, I mean, for the most part, he kind of wants to keep that, you know, He's not like Jim Schwartz, where it's like, it's slurred down. It's a totally new ball game right now. So for whatever reason. I mean, that's just his philosophy.

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Let's get to this matchup. And we start with the Packers' offense against the Eagles defense. Packers' offense, fourth in EPA per drive, sixth and offensive DVOA, up against an Eagles defense that has some reinforcements. But on the season, 14th in EPA per drive, 17th or 18th in DVOA. And I do think this matchup in particular is, I was talking about this with Anthony this morning. this is where you know sometimes in the NFL

there feels like there's an imbalance of motivation and not that the Eagles lack motivation here but boy those two matchups last year especially the playoffs the Packers were beat up physically and we saw this like with the Eagles in the Giants game this year like that they got beat up on Thursday night

come out and you know blow the doors out of the Giants it's a bit of a mismatch talent wise but I feel like Matt LaFleure has been showing these guys clips all week you know, questioning their manhood. Like, these guys beat you up last year. How are they going to respond? And I'm curious just to see what that's like,

especially on the line of scrimmage. Elkton Jenkins, who was the left guard for the Packers last year, he's now moved to center. Yep. Had, in my opinion, the roughest per snap game in the history of the NFL last year against the Eagles of the Link. He played four total snaps.

He was bowled into the quarterback by Jordan Davis on the first snap. He had a somewhat normal second snap. On the third snap, he got just beaten clean by Milton Williams, who forced to throw away. And then on the fourth snap, he got violently knocked out of the game by Nolan Smith while trying to pull on a counter run,

which you probably all remember. Just physically, just devastating. And that was the end of his end of his season. How does he look to you at center, by the way? He's their best offensive lineman in terms of the hardest to get a clean win on. I think the rest of that group, very getable. I actually really like this matchup for the Eagles defensive line in that way.

From a power standpoint. I think that the Eagles have the ability to push the pocket consistently on this group. Zach Tom, right tackle. Yep, he's got good feet. He's technically sound, but he struggles to really drop his anchor. That's the main way you can get to him. Rashid Walker, the left tackle, same way. I think you look at the right guard, Jordan Morgan.

in last year's first round pick. This guy gets tossed around out. Yeah, I mean, he was absolutely got manhandled by that Carolina front last week. To Sean Wharton just tossed him aside and very easily was able to get home to Jordan Love. I think when you look at this group, you know, Sean Ryan, the other way, the other guard, the starting left guard, he was not good last week. You can get after that offensive. I mean, Aaron Banks, who they, you know, picked up in free agency from San Francisco, seems to be a guy who's on and off the field due to injury. but also, like, they seem to be very disappointed in him so far as far as a movement.

It's not like they made very many offseason moves. Right. He was, like, kind of the big free agent signing they had, right? Before they picked up Michael Parsons via trade, obviously. Yeah. And he's been disappointing, too. Yeah, he's a guy that's, like, known for his, like, play strength and how stout he is. I think that he got hurt early, and I think that's kind of affected his play,

and he's been in and out of the lineup since that point. Now, the key is, we're talking a lot of details here, but they did pick up Dary and Kinnard, which guarantees they win the Super Bowl this year. But that's just a, you know, that's just a detail. Despite all of those things on the offensive line, this has been one of the best offenses in football. Yep. So why is that?

Oh, because of Jordan Love. Yeah, he's the best quarterback in the history of the NFL. I don't think he's ever lost a game. I'm pretty sure he's never lost to the Eagles. And I just, I don't even know why they're playing this game, really. I mean, you know, you may as well, let's just cue up like all of the little clips of, you know, the beautiful throw he made to the sideline that no one else

has ever made. I mean, you know, I normally like JTO Sullivan, QB school, and, you know, he seems to have a Jordan Love thing like every week. So I watched his week seven Jordan Love breakdown and his week eight Jordan Love breakdown. And there are throws on there where it's like a very simple comeback like on the sideline that a lot of quarterbacks can make. And he's just like, just watch this, you know, like, and I don't know what it is that Jordan Love did. I don't know if he, like, through, like, a wild sex party for the media or what he did. Well, that, I am curious about that, because if you just think about the lineage here, I mean, you go, what scandal is he going to have?

Yeah, exactly. Like, you go from Brett Far, sex pest, then the fraudulence, the felony frauds, okay, like, pretty nasty stuff. Then you get to Aaron Rogers, conspiracy theorist, absolute egomaniac, misinformation, misinformation peddler. what I mean what can Joy and Love do to continue on there I don't know yeah I don't want to

I don't want to know yeah I mean could be sex parties it could be like a ditty type thing I mean I think he's already throwing the sex parties it could be gambling like leading an NFL ring of guys throwing games could be something even more on toward

animal torture not that you would be upset about that I said something bad I'm playing today Jeez The dig he threw Last week against Carolina Was one of the best throws of the year That touch dig

Over the lineback I like this throw into triple coverage better But you know Whatever he was rolling through The fourth and eight He was chucking that up There was a prayer No I get it

He's a good player He's a good quarterback The issue right now is that this is I think you asked the question what is what is it that makes them a good offense and what is the kind of left us all wanting because they also have let I mean you mentioned they had the lost last week to Carolina they lost to Cleveland earlier this year they had to claw from behind to beat Arizona like it hasn't been the prettiest start to the season for Green Bay they are kind of the the anti Eagles in that they have been really good on third down they've been able to consistently move the ball and then they get to the red zone and then they just kind of they putter out of out. They have not been very good in the red zone this year. And it's one of those like, you go back and you watch and I didn't, I didn't study every single red zone drop back or every single red zone drive for them. But it's always, you know, it's this one play. This guy misses a block here. That guy missed a block there. You get a drop here. They've been losing

weapons left and right. Obviously, they lose Tucker Kraft. That's a huge loss for them. He was the go-to weapon in that passing game and responsible for so much of their production. But to me, it was kind of like a, I don't want to say that this. This is an offense to me. I expect them to be more productive in the second half, even with losing craft because they've got that ability. They've got weapons. They get some of these guys healthy.

If the offensive line can play a little bit better, I think that's still a good group. Does being first an EPA per dropback, but 17th in EPA per rush tell an accurate story as far as you're concerned? Yeah, I think so. I mean, when you look at Josh Jacobs, he is not an explosive ball carrier. Honestly, like you look at Emmanuel Wilson, Chris Brooks,

like all those guys, they are more, you know, we're built for playing through contact. We're going to hit singles and doubles and keep us rolling. It's more like success rate over, and I don't know what the success rate numbers are. I don't have the fancy numbers that Danes does. I mean, I send them to you. You could just look at them.

I got to look it up. I got to look it up. I got to pull it all the fly. I got to pulled up right here. Yeah, they're fourth in dropback success and 14th in rushing success. 14th in rushing. Okay, yeah. So I think when you look at that group,

it's they're not based solely on explosives. It's much more like our let's keep us, you know, on schedule from that standpoint. Yeah, they did not have a good game against the Eagles last year at the link. Like, I mean, if you look back at that game, Fangio went with his most vanilla game plan of the season. More than the Super Bowl.

There were 41 dropbacks. There was one blitz. Now, I know in the Super Bowl, there were zero blitz. There actually was a blitz in the Super Bowl. There was just a penalty on the place within account, but whatever. There was one blitz, zero exchange. You must have been carrying that. I mean, I don't even.

I try not to mention that because it's so cool that there were no blitzes, but there were a handful of exchange pressures in the Super Bowl. Yep. There were zero exchange pressures in this game against Green Bay last year. There was one blitz. It was Cooper to Jeet on a blitz, and he actually got burned on that because CJGJ like didn't cover the guy in that area, and then he just never blitzed again.

A lot of quarters. And in particular, Green Bay had 11 snaps of empty, and Fangio answered that with quarters on eight of the 11 snaps, and Green Bay was only three of 11 in terms of success rate on those snaps. they're not doing empty at that higher rate this season but they are but they are still that is still a thing that they do

you talked about like how they'll motion into four by one some of the things that have given the Eagles trouble this year but in that game I mean Love threw three interceptions I was there I saw them all I swear he threw the ball

it was the Eagles caught the ball tied for the most interceptions now something that the that this like Lefleur you know the McVeigh Shanahan Lafleur like this school is known for as under center play action last year they were doing it about four times game. This year, it's up to six times a game. Interestingly, in the playoff game last year,

they did it just once on 41 dropbacks where they had under center play action. This year, it seems like a lot of their successful plays have come from play action and under center play action in particular, especially, you've probably noticed this, like the last couple of weeks they've had like deep shots on under center play action post cross in particular, where he's hitting the post and he's hitting the cross against different coverages. And so that's something that we'll probably, I'm assuming we'll see. Yeah. Wow. It's weird about it is that he has not been like a high volume passer to the intermediate middle of the field this year. And that's been one of the curious things about it is that, you know, he traditionally, I mean, I referenced the dig earlier.

You just talked about, you know, some of the post cross routes. Typically for under center play action teams, that is an area that you usually see them hit. It feels like a lot of the under center play action stuff. It's either been a lot of it has been over the top. Right. We've also done a lot of like the play action screens. You know, they've been, all right, let's go play action. A lot of screens.

Stretch it out, then let's hit Tucker Kraft underneath. So that's been a lot of the identity. Yeah, I think they lead the league in passes of negative air yards. Yeah. Like, you know, 30% of their passes have been negative air yards, which, of course, like, a lot of that is screens, a heavy screen team, and a lot of variety on screens. Yeah, it's a good screen.

And actually, Lafleur was asked earlier this week about some of the screens that didn't work last week against Carolina. And he said that, you know, a lot of those are run calls. Like, and he's referring to RPO's where it might not even really be an RPO as much as like a screen a lot. And he didn't seem happy with some of the decisions that Love made throwing some of those screens. He didn't think like they had the numbers on some of those.

So, you know, they ran a variety of screens against the Eagles in the playoff game, not with much success. There was like a TFL on one of them. Like Kobe Dean had like a TFL on one of them just before he got injured. I feel like Dijin had one down in the flat. Yeah, like a nice tackle in the flight, yeah, exactly.

So, yeah, the Eagles were just all over it. They were matching the routes. They were just beating them up. I mean, it was just a beautiful, beautiful game to re-watch this week. And of course, Lafleur, French, for the flower. We couldn't get through the show

without mentioning that. I will say that... What's the Raven up to, by the way? He's probably still on his... I think he came in on pop. I would say, like, schematically, you know, again, and Dana's reference that he comes from the, you know,

the Shanahan-McVey type of school, they are really, really good at putting stress on zone coverage defender. So there are things that they do. There are plays that they have run for explosives where I'm like, yeah, I've seen teams run this against the Eagles and with success here this year. That said, like I still, I don't know.

Like, I feel good about this matchup. So tell me, do you think that we will have in this game, Vic approach it like he did in the playoffs or like he has the first eight games this season? Yeah, I think, I mean, part of the reason he was able to play that way last year and we talked about, you know, not switching sides with the corners,

is just trusting everybody in their place is the personnel that he had. And this year we haven't seen him as comfortable with the personnel. This doesn't seem like a game where there's an obvious wide receiver to follow, so I'm not sure how he's going to use Quinyan. And we don't even know who the corner is going to be

on the other side. What's your guess? I don't know. I was trying to read between the lines in Howie's presser, not that Howie's the one making that call. Yeah. But I wasn't sure what to think about the fact that first he said,

in referring to the Jeyer Alexander and Michael Carter, Carter trades. He said the first couple of games showed us how important corner depth is. We didn't have our full complement of guys. So that makes it sound like these are depth pieces. Let's make sure in case they're injuries.

But then he said, we're trying to be able to match up with all kinds of shapes and sizes of wide receivers with our secondary, playing different teams, different tight ends, running backs out of the backfield. And then he said Michael Carter can play inside and he can play safety. Now, all of this is like, there's just like a lot of stuff,

a lot of words there. I don't know if like he's saying that he expects Vic to like use guys in different spots on different weeks depending on the opponent. If he's saying that they brought Michael Carter in to be the backup safety because Marcus Eps is injured. I have no idea what that means.

I think probably. You know, like yeah, I just don't know. I would be surprised. I'm sure passing Sidney Brown on the left chart at safety will not be difficult. No, but seriously. But I mean, yeah. I would be pretty surprised

if either of them gets shotguned into the lineup the first week. week. I think it's, I think it's down to the same three guys it was in the first place. I like, I don't, I don't know that Vic likes Jacori and Bennett that much, even though it feels like he would be the one. Yeah. I don't know. Is it good? I didn't be a Dorian again. I can't tell if he doesn't record show. I did not say that. I love, by the way, Fran has erased Jacori and Bennett from his mind so much that the other, the other week, I forgot to mention this last week when we were on together. We did a supporters club video out there, which you guys can watch later. We played

a game of Tush, and even just in the middle of the game, Fran just smack talking Jacori and Bennett. It's unbelievable. Become a supporter. You can see that video and see that that did not happen. Jacori and Bennett has been on IR for like five weeks. He just, his practice window just got opened.

And when we were talking about how to handle the roster crunch, Fran was like, maybe they can put Jacori and Bennett on IR. Like, I don't think he's even like noticed that he's on IR. Like, it just like doesn't exist for Fran. Like, he's, he's coming back from my art. He exists for friends or back the bus over him. Well, I think that, you know, how he talked about not having the corner depth.

He is the corner depth. He is the fourth coin. He's the fourth or fifth quarter. I mean, I think it's a shot across Mack McWilliams bow. Right. I just, I, I think a little bit too much has been made of how Keeley Ringo had a decent game last week. I don't think, I mean, he didn't get mossed by a little Jordan Humphrey.

I want to see like either Jacori and Bennett or Jeyer Alexander play and look good. I don't know if that's possible at this point. It would be fun.

But I'm kind of done with Keely Ringo. Storyline wise, what would be better than it would be Jolary Jackson than Keeley Ringo? But like I really hope that neither one of them is the solution. And I really don't want to see Cooper de Gene

moved out of the nickel. But if it comes down to like if Michael Carter can be like an above average nickel and Cooper DeGine can be an awesome outside corner, that's probably your best look. But it's just the shame because like the defense has so many more buttons and can push and so many more ways

in which it's threatening when Cooper DeGine is on the inside. I would be shocked if DeGine got plucked from the inside full time. I would be shocked if that was a solution. But I do think that this is a game where if you were going to mess around with that, it would make sense

because there is not a definite guy who's, scares you on the inside, right? It's more, the Packers passing advantage is that they just have a bunch of guys who are like good number two receivers, right? Yeah, but they're a team that will play 12 and throw out of 12?

Will they still? You're happy to have him on the field, that's fine. But in Nickel, I feel like you could live with him on the outside in this kind of game. Fourth most 12 personnel in the league coming into this game, I mean, 44% of their snaps have come from some sort of heavy personnel, and Vic has been matching that heavy personnel with base more, which would take away the question

of like what to do with the corners like you just have Cooper DeGine and Quinnion Mitchell play sides and you're good yeah but will they play that way now that Tucker Kraft is out they they had snaps

I know Musgrave has like the athletic traits but they don't really have the second guy to play well Fitzpatrick I was just to say they had snaps I mean just early on I want to say like opening drive

last week where Kraft was on the sideline and you had Musgrave and Fitzpatrick the other tight end out there Fitzpatrick sort of as a fullback he's a he's like No, he's more like he's tall and lean, like wide, pure like why tight end, like inline, inline presence only. All right, we've got to take a quick break to hear from some sponsors.

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But guess what? Who cares? I'm wearing it anyway. Looks good. It looks like it is. It looks like it's on purpose. Yeah, it does. But now that I see, flaking. Yeah, it kind of looks like a QR code. Oh. Yeah, scan this. Yeah, try. For some free butt crack. I was going to say, don't scan that if you see bow on the street.

God knows where you're getting on the other ID. Did Josh sweats people approve his appearance in that ad by the other? What do you think is going to have? happen at linebacker. Yeah, I was just going to ask you guys, now that the edge room is actually full of guys, like, it doesn't seem, like, oh, we needed. There's no, like, obvious reason to use Jehad Campbell as an edge in base. Like before, at least when Nikobe was on the field in base, Jahad Campbell was also on the field, literally every single snap of base the last two weeks. They've both been on the field. The only time it was an issue who was playing was, was a nickel.

And, you know, last week, Nogh, Nogh, played more than Jihad Campbell, which was a surprise. Now that you have actual. edge guys who are comfortable playing in the base package. It's not Zadaria. It's not the Darius Smith who never learned it. It's like guys who actually can play. It's not like, I don't see any real reason to play Jihad Campbell there, which means

there's only room for one of them on the field, and so you have to kind of split up the snap. So I'm just at this point I think they're just going to keep they're going to do the drive by drive thing. They're just going to have like two drives of one, two drives of the other. Oh, you don't think it will be like package based. You think it'll just be. It hasn't been. I mean, it's been purely drive based

so far. It's looked package based because they go back and forth between base and nickel, but there hasn't been any, there haven't been any drives where they went back and forth between the two in nickel. So, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's so interesting. We talked about, like, I'm fascinated by this now, but like, like, we're not, yeah. It's just, it's so interesting because Jehad Campbell has been really good. He's been good, yeah.

And you want to invest that time, but they really, really like Nikobie Dean. And they want him on the field. They like what he brings to the defense when he's on the field. Not just, like, him specifically, but, like, running the thing. And to be fair, and Kobe Dean is also very good. I mean, like, like, you know, it's not, it's not one of these things where it's like, oh, they like him, but, like, why do they like him? Like, it's like, you can see why they like him.

And by the way, the other guy's like an all pro. So. Right. Right. Right. Of course. Yeah, you're not going to take Zach Bonn off the field just to get those guys snaps. That would be crazy. Yeah, I don't know. It's a weird, it's a weird thing.

If only you could turn one of them into a comparably good outside corner. Yeah. This defense would be awesome. Yeah, it's a weird case of, you know, like it seems like misallocated resources in hindsight, right? Like, not saying that drafting Jihad Campbell was a bad idea, but like if your goal is to maximize the team this year. And if you really don't need like three really good inside linebackers. And if you knew that Nikobe Dean, I mean, there was no way to know. That was a, I mean, it's a devastating injury.

Yeah. You're basically pricing in that he's not ever going to be good again. Yeah. So it made, it made sense. But yes, if you could do it again, I think you probably wouldn't. This is another one. This is another one of those things where it's like the Fangio structure is limiting. It's fine.

I mean, like he should be himself. But like you look across the ball, like the Packers, like they play 4-3 base, right? Like you look at Spags. Like he plays 4-3 base. Like there are teams that play when they go to base instead of bringing on a defensive tackle, they bring on a third linebacker. Yeah. But that's not something Fangio is like going to do now.

You know what I mean? Like he might have done it like 40 years ago or something. But like it's not something that he's going to suddenly switch to. So yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's just it's just one of those things. like, and you know, you hope against injury, but obviously this is one place where the Eagles could afford an injury because they do have the extra guy right now.

So, yeah. I kind of think that it'll be a package thing and it'll go hand in hand with what they do in the secondary. That's my read on it, but they very well could just decide they're going to go series by series. All right. Anything else on this side of the matchup? Tucker Kraft is a big, you know, like he was averaging six targets a game.

They used them on screens. The quick outs to him was like an easy button for love a lot of the time including against the Eagles vertical routes and he could do it all almost 500 yards

six touchdowns he had a 15 plus yard catch in every single game like this season except for the last one where he left early so I mean it's hurting their offense more than a normal

than normal injury would Dana has mentioned the lack of blitzing in that playoff game in January Carolina had a lot of success timing up blitzes from the second level right at the snap of the ball and getting home to Jordan Love,

like getting free runners at those guys inside. And so obviously we've seen that with Zach Vaughn, with Chahad Campbell. Obviously, you could do it with Nicoby Dean as well. I do wonder if that's a button that they will try and push in this game, given the success that Carolina had with it a week ago. You mentioned the loss of craft. What could that mean for the rest of this offense?

Matthew Golden, his status, still kind of up in the air, the rookie first round pick out of Texas. So they'd be down another weapon going into this game. Now they did get Christian Watson back. He is very much like vertical, downfield, you know, get him working, you know, on those deep post routes, on those deep go balls. He's had success against the Eagles in the past. Romeo Dobbs has been the leading receiver for them aside from Kraft.

And he is your classic like outside the numbers, possession. Can attack all three levels, but he's better like short and intermediate area. So I would imagine that they're going to try and spread the ball around. They did a lot of creative, like, creative kind of like, we're going to fake the defense out, misdirection type of things. last year, I wonder if they leaned more into that this year with Kraft now out. So you might see more of that misdirection, triple option type of stuff

in the backfield. And that'll lead in like run game, pass game, quick pass screen game as well. So we'll see if they lean into that. A lot of eye candy with Savian Williams too, right? The rookie third round. Who did not practice yesterday and was injured in the last game. So I don't know if he's going to play.

But they listed like 10 guys as limited, which is annoying. Because you don't really get a good read on who's going to play. and who's not. And Lafleur has been very kind of, you know, he's been like, it's not long-term, and then it doesn't say anything else. So the one quick thing, too, that I had written down in my notes from the pressure stuff with Carolina is that loves average, love right now averages 4.8 yards per attempt against pressure. That's the third lowest in the NFL. Now, when you look at him, when he's not pressured, uh, did you just say pressure twice next to Bo? Because you're about

to, he's looking at you. It is what it is. If I said, if I said, if I said puppies, he would have been, he would have been more angry. Not true. When you're looking at when he is pressured versus when he is not, the disparity there is one of the greatest in the NFL. And so if the Eagles are trying to find ways

to be able to get pressure, I think that that would be advantageous, certainly in this game. The thing about Romeo Dobbs is all the way going back to... What? I just know where you're going here because you're talking about a player

that I brought up like 18 minutes ago, so it can only be bad. It's been brewing for 18th. Where do you think I'm going? I have no idea. That's why we started laughing. Go ahead. Right between the eyes. Just tetarites.

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struggled historically with players who look like Marvin the Martian when they're on the field. Wow. First off. Brewing for 18 minutes. First off, that was Carson Palmer, not Kevin Cobb. Relevant.

Did not pay off whatsoever. All right. Packers' defense, 17th in EPA per drive, but 8th in DVOA. So they played a tough schedule of opposing offenses. That DVOA is weird to me. Okay. They've played a somewhat tough schedule.

I don't understand why the DVOA is so different than the EPA per drive for them. I usually do understand DVOA. this one I just don't get like just the thing they're in shats you're being called out I mean I call Aaron Shats out a lot but like in this case it's well because because anytime he says anything other than just posting the DVOA it's outrageous but in this case the DVOA is weird too okay good what's your best like what's your best feeling on it though like why do you how could how could there be that

disparity I think there's just a cluster of teams and they're probably very close to being got it or something you know is my guess okay as opposed to when he goes offense, that is ninth in APA for drive and seventh in DVOA. How do you see your boy, Jeff Halfley, evolving this defense in year two? It's a little, I really liked what they did in the second half last year. And we talked before that wildcard game about how they do a lot of things schematically that are weak points for Jalen Hertz and Hadwin struggle points for Jalen last year. And honestly, like Jalen did not have a great game in that game last year.

When you go back and you watch that one, I think that when you look at how, Affley. Perfect world. It's Rush with Four, play a wide rolodex of different zone coverages behind it. And right now, they are playing like some of the, I think it's, what is in my notes? It's like football. Thank you. They're in the top 10 and three different cover two. Yeah, top 10 in cover three, top 10 in cover two, top 10 and cover six. That's from, that's from Dana's notes. So numbers you claim you didn't have. I mean, I did not say I didn't have them. I just say that you provide them in the way that I do not.

You did say you didn't have them. the thing about Romeo Dobbs is no but I think that when you're looking at that's the way that they want to play they don't want to be heavy blitz show me Juliette's you know what I mean? They will blitz every once in a while I think that when you look at this group one of the things I loved about them last year

is that they would get they did a really good job with their sim pressures you know where they'd get five six guys up in the line of scrimmage and they would drop out a bunch of them they don't do as much of that this year they do it at times but the big pressure look for them now it's like, hey, we've got Michael Parsons. Let's line up with three guys in the line of scrimmage

and we're going to put a nose tackle right on top of the center, and we're going to put Michael Parsons right behind that guy standing up, and then he's going to have a free run at an interior offensive lineman, and you don't know if he's going left or right. So left guard and right guard, you don't know which way he's going to go and we're just going to let number one kind of wreck shop. That's their

go-to pressure look. I'm not saying that that's bad. He's been productive as a rusher, but I kind of liked the overall plan more last year. Now, that said, Roshan Gary's having some of the best some of the best production that we've seen from him. He's obviously seeing a lot less attention from production scheme. I think he's getting

chipped at the lowest rate of his career. He's getting doubled at the lowest rate of his career. He wins with power. He wins with leverage and explosiveness for a bigger guy. Parsons lines up primarily over left tackle when they just don't line them up against the interior guys. They're just going to cut those guys loose and let

them win. The interior players, Devante White's okay. Solid player. Carl Brooks has been a rotational player from them in the past. It was really good in that role. Now he's a full-time player. He's a solid player, good on stunts and twist.

They do stunt and twist a lot. I believe they're third in the league in stunts coming into this one. So that is something I would expect that the Eagles will see plenty of in this matchup. But yeah, it's a good front, a lot of speed at linebacker, Quay Walker, and, and Edron Cooper. So when you look at those two guys, those guys can run. They can cover a lot of ground. And then they play a ton of zone behind it.

So we're expecting this will be Brett Tooth, starting at center. With Cam Jergens down, you think, like, they're going to try to attack him, or they just, because Lane, I mean, Micah has gotten him a few times, but Lane has historically done pretty well there. You would think the second person they're going to attack is Tyler Steen. So how do you think they'll go about, you know, getting Micah Parsons on different matchups? My guess is that you're, that pressure look that I described, you're going to get that and they're going to run just like different stunts and twists

over those guys. And honestly, probably involve Landon too, because one of Landon's, even when Landon is healthy, he is not like the fleet is to foot. He doesn't have great range in pass protection. And so if you're going to try and run different stunts and twists, you can overextend him. You can get him stressed from an athleticism standpoint. And so to me, like that would be my game plan if I were going into this as someone that has Micah Parsons to kind of cut him loose, Edron Cooper, like all those guys, I'd be running different stunts and twist with those backers and with Michael Parsons on the interior three. That's my thing.

Yeah, it was a slightly different situation, but in 2023, Tyler Steen started that game due to injury against Dallas. And winning and Parsons. That's right. Yeah, that's right. He got knocked back so early that he was on the ground already. All right, that's right. He, in that game, Parsons did line up over him and beat him quickly on a couple of snaps. Oh, I remember one in particular.

Yeah, it was like moving in. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Now, the Eagles have in the past done a really good job with RPO's to Parsons side. and running those own reads. Exactly. Now they're doing less of the zone read stuff now with the quarterback run game, which we've discussed. But the RPO seemed to be coming back a little bit. So this could be a game where they try to do that at least a few times to slow him down

and make him think a little bit about whether he should be attacking or not. That's one approach they've taken in the past. So what's your expectation, Professor, for what we're going to see game plan-wise from the Eagles coming out of the buy? Do we see the variance we saw? This is a tough one to kind of predict how it's going to look, especially because the playoff game was a disaster last year against this defense. I mean, it was the lowest success rate for the Eagles offense

out of any of the games last year or this year, out of those 29 games. It was the lowest success rate on dropbacks last season as well. It was not a good game for the offense. I mean, the defense totally carried the team. I remember comparing it during the game to the the Falcons playoff game from 2017 where like the defense needed to it was it was like that game but around earlier basically in a way now we talked in the pregame show leading up to that game as you just

mentioned Fran about how Halfley had all these disguised cover two two versions yep exotic rotations into invert to and things like that and they and he didn't even need to do any of that it was it was a very vanilla approach from Halfley he blitzed six times on 26 dropbacks all six blitzes were man and all 20 non-blitz dropbacks were zone. And this is something that they are typically, typically the way they are. I mean, this year as well, they're second in man coverage rate on blitzes, but they are 26th in man coverage rate overall. So it's like, it's like, you know, like they don't do those, um, those kind of fire zone blitzes ever. Like it's going to typically going to be either

zero or one when they blitz, but they essentially never play man when they don't blitz. Like it's pretty much always some sort of zone. And we know that Jalen Hertz has struggled against zone throughout his career and that's the same this year. He's much better at EPA per drop back against man than against zone. So in terms of the approach for the Eagles, like, I don't know, man, like that 16 yard sack in under center play action last week, like makes me wonder if they're ever going to run one again, you know, like they're so anecdotal about things. But we were talking with Fran last week, like, now that they don't do the QB run game, you need those other things to add some color to this offense. Like, so you need the RPO's, you need the, you know, the under center

run game combined with like three or four of those under center play action I think we'll see those I just don't know how this is gonna look I mean like going forward I'm gonna be honest

like after watching that defense go up against Carolina Carolina manhandled them up front and so that's why like to me going into this one and I felt this way about the Eagles defensive line going up against this offensive line I like the Eagles ability

to win the line of scrimmage offensively in this game I think you come out and you play the way that you did the last two weeks against New York against Minnesota and you try and play smash mouth and you try and get vertical displacement and just try and get those guys off the ball and then sell the under center play action the fact that we've seen the Eagles like push that button a little bit in the last couple of weeks now you've had the buy week on top of it I think that they can continue to

we might see even more of that moving forward if you to me like if that's the version of this eagle's offense I feel really good about them in this match but I think they win this game and I think they could win it like comfortably all right before you talked in is I got to tell the people We got more to come here in Bovertime. Can you think of a worse potential Shakespeare performance than Lou Dobbs as Romeo? Who plays Juliet in that scenario? I got nothing.

Janine Piro? Julia, help. Cut his mic. Yeah. I mean, I might watch that. I think this could be a big moneymaker. All right. Maria Bartaromo, I don't know.

Oh, that said, the secondary for Green Bay, too, I think is another area where, yeah, there were big questions about that group coming into the season. Kishon Nixon is their number one corner. He had a really strong finish to last year, and I actually don't blame them for saying, hey, we want to kind of build it around him this year. He has been a really fight. He's undersized. He came in as a nickel corner only, and now he's proven that he could play outside. But to me, like, all right, like, I like that physical matchup for AJ Brown. you know, if those guys are going one-on-one, I feel okay about that.

And then you have Devante working against Valentine. You have Devante working against Javon Bullard, who's their starting nickel. I know he's been banged up a little bit over the last few weeks. But I like some of the matches. He's been playing less safety in base, like they've been leaving Evan Williams in, which they didn't do last year. Yes, Williams, they feel more comfortable leaving him in there. And then you have Xavier McKinney, who did have that.

He had the interception in that week one game down in Brazil against Jalen Hertz. he's got outstanding ball skills, the ability to make plays on the football, but I feel good about the Eagles. If they decide that they're going to play the way that they did the last two weeks, or the last two games, I should say, I feel good about them in this matchup.

You surprised at Packers are favorite? Jordan Love, I mean, you can't bet against him. No, I'm not surprised by that. Kishon Nixon. I believe, last check. Two and a half points, I believe, last check. Kishon Nixon and Karrington Valentine both had very memorable plays in a bad way

in the playoff game. Kishon Nixon fumbled the game's opening kickoff and the Orrinx-Berrington Valentine I believe is still being stiff-armed by Dallas Goddard as he runs into the end zone on that bubble screen. Do you remember those plays that like stick in your or did you just remember them when you went back

and watched the game this week? Those two I remember, yeah. I think if it was a regular season game I might have to re-watch to remember, but because it was a playoff game those are like two I mean the first play of the whole playoffs you know it's impressive

yeah yeah yeah big picture of things for the offense not specific to this matchup this offense has the worst rate this is the Eagles offense has the worst I don't know if we have some of these graphics this is the worst three and out rate of any offense since 2014

right now so any offense in the NFL any offense in the NFL since 2014 36% of the drive have been three and out. Who was that offense? Do you remember? The 2014 Raiders, I think, was worse.

Now, this chart that you can see if you are watching on YouTube has drive percentage of waiting three and outs on one axis and on the other axis you've got drive percentage

scoring touchdowns. This offense, despite being the worst at avoiding three and outs in the league and the worst since 2014 is scoring touchdowns The third highest rate of any team in the NFL.

Look at that graph. That's crazy. This year is such an outlier. There are 160 teams on this graph from the last five seasons. So what's the outlier? And the 2025 Eagles are just like insanely, like weirdly, either going three and out or scoring touchdowns on like over 70% of the drive. So what are the reasons?

First, we have ladies and gentlemen, Brenna. We got a little. We have a hockey. I have a shift line change, yeah, yeah, during play. This is good. Now, there are two questions, right? Like, why are the three and outs happening? And then how are they scoring touchdowns

despite the three and outs? Let's talk about the three and outs first because that's the thing that we want to see change. There is a huge correlation between going three and out and starting field position on drives. Now, the Eagles have the absolute worst average starting field position in the NFL.

They're starting inside their own 28, which is worst in the league. They've started inside their 20, or worse, more times than any other team in the league, 26 times, they've started in their 20 or worse, that's in eight games, that's too many times. Why do you think of that? 12 of those 26 were three in outs.

Now, no, no, no. What is the correlation? Oh, well, I mean, I don't like, oh, the correlation? Yeah, so I'm going to ask you guys about this, but I have a guess as to like what it's, so, you know, I talk about series conversion rate all the time, the rate of getting a first down when you have a first down.

They're 54% series conversion rate, which is awful, just awful, when they're inside their own 20. There's 76% series conversion rate everywhere else. I looked at the rest of the league. There is no pattern of people being worse when they're backed up. In fact, average teams are a little bit better

when they're backed up at converting than when they're further down the field. So this is just weird. Like how bad they've been. Now, every time the Eagles have a bad game and they ask Kevin Petulow or they ask Nick Siriani, like, what went wrong? They will bring up, well, we started backed up

a lot, we were backed up, you know, backed up. They keep on making that an excuse, which makes me think, this is like one of those things where it's like a different chapter of the playbook. There are only certain plays they call when they're backed up. Thank you, Brina. You might want to maybe not tell, like, just don't pretend you're not backed up. I don't know, like, what it is, but like the plays that they're calling. Now, I think this is, it's like, in large part because of early down failed runs.

They're more likely to call run plays in those situations than the running game has not been good. But, I mean, it's just wild. I mean, it's just wild, like, how bad they've been. They're minus 0.15 EPA per drive when starting inside their own 20 and plus 0.71 when starting outside their 20. Average NFL EPA per drive is actually better when you start backed up because you have, like, a longer way to go and on a higher upside of EPA. So, like, it's just, they're just terrible when they're backed up.

So what do you make of the correlation between three and outs and starting field position? Well, that's the thing. It's like the plays they're calling in those back-up situations. Is that just for the Eagles or that's league-wide? No, no, no, that's just for the Eagles. No, no, no, it doesn't exist league-wide. It doesn't exist. So it's the opposite league-wide.

Like, most teams go three-and-out less when they're backed up. And so, like, the Eagles backed-up plays, like whatever those are, which they've had to call a lot because they've started backed up 26 times, have been awful. And, like, that's something that has to change, and hopefully that they looked at in the bi-week. Now, the other thing is now that Tank Bigsby and A.J. Dillon aren't returning kickoffs. Like, you hope maybe you're not going to start backed up quite as much,

because a lot of those were off of horrendous. horrendous kickoff returns. So that's one piece. The other piece is how is it that they're scoring touchdowns every time they get a first down? And that's because of, Julia, there are two other graphics. One is a turnover one and one's a red zone one.

The Eagles have been historically good at avoiding turnovers, just three turnovers on the whole season. They have the lowest turnover avoidance of any team in the last five years in the NFL. Obviously, we're only halfway through the season, so they're likely not

to stay there, but as of now, they're on pace for this. And they've also lost the least EPA per game from turnover. So that's one of it. One of the reasons that they're able to convert all these drives to touchdowns is because the drives continue. There are no turnovers. And then the other one is they're number one by a mile in red zone and goal to go rate. So 85% of the time this year that they've gotten into the red zone, they've scored a touchdown. That's on pace to be the best of any team in the last 20 years or something like that. I don't know. The graph only has the last five years, but it's just outrageously, like, off the chart's good. And they're also perfect in goal-to-go situations, as E.J. will know from his swooper item, which may keep

scoring a point for him week after week here. I mean, it certainly feels like both things will regress. Yeah, that's the thing. These are not things you want to rely on. Like, you don't want to rely on never turning it over and scoring every time you're in the red zone. Like, they're just not sustainable fans. But that's the part you have to fix, though. Like, I'm saying, I know, but it certainly feels like both things will come towards the middle a little bit. Although I would imagine, I guess I think it's like the touchdown

rate is probably even more likely to revert than the three out is. Right? Because the three out is more like the bones of how they call plays. Indicative of like overall health of an offense. And it's a larger sample. I mean because you're only in the red zone so often. So like yeah, I don't know.

It is, it goes to it feels like the coaching staff sometimes specifically Nick and Kevin it's like they feel like they have to be given permission to be aggressive aggressive yeah exactly you know what I mean they have to earn it first which feels a little bit backwards but and I haven't gone back into turnover

it plays into turnover avoidance a little bit I guess like sure and that's part of the reason you're avoiding turnovers you could argue but like we've talked before about how there are ways to be aggressive without increasing the risk of turnovers too much especially when you have really good wide receivers who can catch balls outside the numbers, which are not typically where turnovers happen. And the other thing is just the run game has been so bad.

And I think last year they relied on the run game to get them out of backed up situations. And this year they continued to try to rely on the run game in those situations. And I've been frustrated at times with how often they run the ball on second and long, for example. A lot of those three in outs are run, run, run pass. Like run, run, pass punt,

which is like an analytics nerds, like, biggest nightmare. Like, it's like at least the last thing you want to see. hopefully last week was a good sign that the run game is going to get fixed and we saw a lot of run game variety last week which was nice to see I talked with Fran last week about this

there were five pinpole runs that were all successful with Brett Tooth pulling hopefully Cam Juergens at some point returns healthy and they can run those plays with him as well but they hadn't called a single one of those plays with Cam Jurgens and so Brett Toh gave them something strangely that Cam Jurgens

didn't at center we'll see if we see more of that this week I've just been looking at like the backed up numbers and I can't find any kind of like through line as far as like oh like they do this a lot I'd have to go through the film and kind of see if I can find some kind of a theme there I was just thinking the same thing for the defense too because if you're predictable backed up the defense may be calling defenses that where they're not worried about certain plays you know like and that could be a pattern as well they're blitzed at the highest rate

when they're backed up but they're blitzed the highest rate on high straight everywhere yeah yeah it's yeah eagles are getting blitzed more than any other offense and they're also getting sim pressured more than any other offense yeah so when you add the two together they face the most kind of exotic packages of pressure looks of any team and they haven't been bad against them so I'm curious if it continues like it's not like they're failing against it

and it's not completely obvious to me like why that's the case maybe it's just because like the offensive line like the two tackles are so good that you're not going to get pressure with your normal edge guys things like that are probably the main reason thinking of it now I do feel like I got it wrong

because the whole conceit of Romeo and Juliet is that they're opposite sides, right? So it should actually be Lou Dobbs and like Nancy Pelosi. I mean, that's the whole conceit, right? You're right, yes. Fran has resigned to smiling and nodding. Yeah.

I don't think he's going to stop if you're telling me. No, no. All right, anything else to talk? about on this matchup before we get to Swooper? I loved something Jalen said yesterday. He said, you live life forward, but you learn it backwards. And I thought that was awesome. Because in game theory, we always learn.

We teach backwards induction. Like the way you solve a game is you start at the end, and you solve it backwards to see what the best strategy is. So I think I might play a clip of Jalen saying that in class now. It has nothing to do with the game. Just, yeah, that's it. Sweet. Okay, a couple super chats, Rich Bobby.

The Romeo Dobbs guy, didn't like my comment. Rich Bobby says, Danes and friend, thoughts on dogs. I love dogs. Love all animals. I got a funny animal story. All right. So bedtime every night for Francis, okay? So it's like routine.

I read one book, sometimes maybe two. Turn the light off. I usually, I've been leaning now where I'll set an alarm for myself for like 20 minutes and I'll just close my, go to sleep. Because if I go to sleep, he's going to go to sleep. Absolutely. So, all right, I'm setting an alarm. So I set the alarm.

I'm laying there. Vibrate alarm. Yeah, yeah. So we're quiet for like six, seven minutes. And I'm like, all right. He's got to be asleep. Yeah, right. So he's got to be asleep at this point.

Clear as day. He just goes, daddy. I'm like, yeah. He was like, can I ask a question? I'm like, yeah. Can I tell you something about flamingos? I was dying, laughing, and he started crying. We laughed for like 15 minutes.

And then he eventually was like, you know how you said they're pink because of the shirt? They eat shrimp? And I was like, yeah, he was like, you never told me about the algae. I was like, yeah, the shrimp eat the algae, the flamingos eat the algae. It makes them all turn pink.

Love animals, though. Thank you, Rich. I like, I like dogs too. Yeah. Definitely more of a dog person than a cat person. I'm allergic to cats, which creates a problem when we go to Turkey because there are just so many stray cats in Turkey, especially in Istanbul. If you're a cat lover, Istanbul is the city you want to go vacation in because you sit at a cafe and like six cats, like sit on your lap, like, you know, uninvited. But does that make, if you're a cat lover, would that make you sad that there are these, all these cats without homes?

These cats own the city. They own the city. Like they are fed by everybody. They're all like fat. Like, yeah, they're all very happy. Like, it is not a situation where it's like a bunch of, like, thin cats running around and people, no. Like, it's the opposite. Like, if you treat a cat badly, like, you will get, like, you know, like, shunned by the community.

So maybe you shouldn't, maybe you shouldn't visit, but, like the, like, the cats are the priority. You just said you don't like cats. When you, as I said, I'm allergic to cats, so it creates a problem for me. And I like dogs more just because they're friendlier. If you treat a cat badly in Istanbul, then it now becomes Istanbul. Not bad. Yeah, that's pretty good. I couldn't believe that E.J. thought that you were more of a cat person.

I mean, that was, that was a shocking take. Is he a few times where E.J. has made, has made guesses that just could not be more well. Is E.J. zooming in for Swoober? He is. Okay, good. No, that's all. We have one more Super chat before we get to Super. Matthew Greenwood says,

do you guys remember much of Caden Stearns with Denver? Could Michael Carter take on a role like that? What was Caden Stearn's role in Denver? He was a deep safety. I mean, he was a deep safety for Vic. Yeah. No, because I think Carter, I mean, Carter's proven to be a nickel in the NFL. I did think Howie going out of his way to mention him as a safety possibility was interesting.

I think that when you look at some of the things that they did with him in New York, and I think some of the things also, if I remember right from the profile at Duke, was that he would line up at nickel and then rotate to deep safety, you know, when they would disguise coverages and run different invert looks. Like, you know, so that's something that may be they try and utilize that. There is a lot of crossover. We talked about this. Funny, there's a lot of crossover between nickel and safety.

But I don't think that's necessarily the comp I would make schematically is Stearns and Michael Carter. Okay. All right. Why don't we bring in on the Xfinity mobile call-in line? Big E.J. Smith.

The leper. How are we doing, E.J.? Oh, look at that. The leper. I'm doing well. I'm hoping that this is like my Jordan flu game for Swooper. You know, I don't know

if the, if the analogy really works, but we're going to try to keep the momentum them rolling here. Yeah, a big win for you last week. Big win for you last week. Yeah, exactly. Let's review it quickly here. E.J. had six items if Devante Smith surpasses at least one of 10 catches, 125 yards and 14 targets, did not hit. Sake 1 Barkley finishes with more rushing yards than Cam Scataboo. You bet your bottom. Jalen Hertz has at least three non-scramble rushes for first downs. Did not happen. This is the big one. The Eagles remain 100% on the season and touchdown rate in goal-to-go situations. Winner keeps the item.

for future weeks until it fails to hit. It hit, and that means you have that in your coffer this week as an extra item. You also hit on at least two Eagles record their first touchdown or sack, and then the Eagles win by more points in the lowest bid. You did not hit. You had three. I was two for two. Eagles out again the Giants, and the ball touches the logo at some point.

Fran was two for four. A tight end scores a touchdown. The Eagles' longest play from scrimmage comes from under center. He did not get an Eagles defender, has two or more sacks for the Eagles. Gain 55 yards on under center play action plays. And so on the season, E.J. You weren't that close on that one. Yeah, the Lane Johnson penalty.

E.J., three and a half wins on the season. I am in second with two and a half. Fran has two. And not a ton of leftover turkey action this week. E.J. will start with 24. I will start with 25. Fran will start with 29. And E.J., you get to go first.

Sign of hope for you guys. this week is that the Packers defense is third in the NFL at goal-to-go defense. So this might be your guy's best chance of getting that one off of EJs. And we didn't get into... I did notice that. We didn't get into the too much the Packers defense being very good at stopping explosives versus best, yeah, number one in the league at percentage of plays that they've allowed that are 20 plus plays, only 3% of plays that they've faced have gone for 20 yards.

And they're also number one in the league at EPA lost from 20-plus yard plays. I did notice how the Green Bay defense was good in the red zone because we do have access to DeNez's numbers, Fran. I just, you know, I don't want to pile on here. I feel like I got to point that out. Get over yourself. Go have some cranberries and stuffing. You don't have to worry about that.

You guys are right. It was a little bit like nobody. It's sweet potatoes and marshmallows that he likes. All right. I mean, who doesn't like that? You get to go first. All right. So my first entry.

Jalen Hertz finishes the game with net zero turnover differential. So a forced fumble from Jalen Hertz. I mean, I suppose he could have an interception. All right. So he throws a pick and then forces a fumble that the Eagles recover. It's net zero. Okay. Yes.

I'm going to start the bidding. I'll start the bidding at two. Wait, if a teammate recovers it doesn't count or does he have to? No, if he for, no, yeah, if he were to force. to fumble that a teammate recovers, that would count. Okay, okay. Yeah. How many times an NFL history

as a quarterback ever forced to fumble? Yeah, I don't know. I'll say three. Four. Five. Six. Six. Seven.

Eight. I'm out. 8. 8 going once. 8 going twice. You know what? 9. For that, 10.

Oh, man. 10. 10 going once. 10 going twice. Sold to Fran. We already talked about how the Eagles are best at avoiding turnovers. The Packers are 31st at forcing them. And Hertz has just two giveaways on the season tied for first in the NFL.

All right. I am up next. And I don't know. I figure there may be a few other tush push ones here given the story with the Eagles and the Packers. But I'm going to go one here. And this is either the Packers or the Eagles run a tush push on their opening drive. So at any point during their opening drive, we get a tush push early on in this game, and now we'll start the bidding at three.

This is a good time to remind people that there were two tush push pushes in the playoff game last year, both run by Tucker Kraft for the Packers. They were the ones who ran the tush push in that game. Could have led to injury last week. Yeah. Might have been, yeah. It hasn't been talked about it. effects.

Right. One of them went for eight yards. The pile just kept moving. Did you see some of the social media discussion that the Eagles should run the tush push on the first play of the game? I mean, I said that back in March. The first play of the game?

You said that? He did, yes. The whole, I apologize. Drive off it. Yep. I said that instead of taking a knee at the end, they should just run the tush push. Three going once.

Three going twice. sold how big a fight would that start if you ran the tush bush instead of taking a knee it would be fantastic all right my first one this one I actually came up with while watching games last week the record for the longest field goal in NFL history

is broken this week and by any not in just the Eagles game any game the winner of this item keeps it until it hits and we'll get a point in whichever week that it does hit. Okay. So obviously Camm Little, yep, hit the 68R of the kicker for the Jaguars, kicked that

last week in week nine. Three for a field goal. And you can only get it once? You can only get it once. Once it hits, that's it's it. Yep. Oh, okay. Yeah, you don't get it every time that it gets broken. Yep, so it's just a one-time hitter. A one hitter.

One hitter. But you keep it until it hits. Julia. You'd betray yourself. What did you start the bidding at? Three. It's a fun one. Three going once. Does this extend beyond this season?

I did not think that it would go beyond the season. Sure, let's go with the old carrie to next year. Really? Yeah, why not? Four. Wow. Five. It's like how he rose me.

He's got a balance next year with this year. That's how good I feel that I'm not going to abandon you like every other host. Using this year's resources. Five. E.J. is a different story there. Right. I can't speak for E.J. I'm going to go six.

Wow. You can happen for six. Six going one. six going twice sold to EJ whenever someone sets a new record EJ will get a point all right over to you professor the Eagles play all four teams that they beat

in the playoffs last year and as I did with the Chiefs and the Rams I have a pooh-boo platter of things that happened in the game in the playoffs last year only one of them needs to happen for this item to hit so the item is the Eagles do at least least one of the following. Force a turnover

on special teams. Get a three and out on Green Bay's first possession. Intercept Jordan Love three times. Get two Nolan Smith sacks and get two Nekobie Dean non-sac TFLs.

Hmm. Any one of these happening and this item hints. Two. three why i guys don't have much confidence here i mean the three and out on the first possession that's the one yeah right three going one four do you have four four going for going twice sold to EJ

right wow there's a lot on the line on that opening possession yeah Jordan Love will never throw interceptions again so all right over to you Mr. Smith

all right my second entry the broadcast shows a picture of Jalen Hertz and or Carson Wentz at Lambeau Field in 2020 What are you starting to bidding at? I'm going to go one.

I mean, I don't feel amazing about it, but figured it'd be a fun callback. Obviously, it was a big moment in Jalen Hertz's career as well as just kind of Eagle's lore at this point. You know what? This allows me to get something off my chest. Oh, no.

No. This is a Romeo Dobbs show. No, no, it's not. That was 2020. That game happened, and I wrote the day after the next day, you know, I called time of death on Carson Wentz's career as a starting quarterback for the Eagles. Oh, and people disagreed? People disagreed. I'm getting, I'm getting yelled at.

You know, we've got, we've got the people who have worked for the Packers and the Eagles saying, uh, there's no way they're going to move off of Carson Wentz's contract. It's too much dead money. There's no way they can do that. And it was so clear. And you know, I was goddamn right. So screw you. maybe the broadcast is going to show that

I don't think so we'll start to bidding at one you can have it I just I don't think they're going to show that yeah well it says

I could show Jalen I thought it was an interesting insight into Jalen's just the way he's wired that when he was asked about that game yesterday he said we should have won that game but we got that holding call and I went back no but this makes it even weirder yeah the holding call was on his first possession so it was 20 to three Packers there was a second in 12 there's a 28

yard run by Boston Scott that got called back for holding on Isaac Samaller that was the only holding call while he was playing that drive resulted in a punt it was 20 to three at the time they then came back and cut it to 2316 and got the ball back again and had a chance to tie it on offense and weren't able to and ended up losing 3016. That's really funny. But like that holding call being the first thing in his mind, it's because it was his first, his first

right? And like it's just like, because he recently saw that game. Maybe, but I mean, it's just one of the, and it wasn't a run play. Like it wasn't, you know, but it's just like a very interesting like way for him to remember that game is that like we got that holding call so that's why we lost when. That's very funny. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it was interesting guy. I mean two no I thought I already got it no no it hasn't been called yet yeah I just interrupted sorry that's okay three

okay that's what it should go for three going once three going twice sold to EJ to be clear it's a picture of Jalen and Carson no no no he said or it was and or it was Jalen or Carson but it has to be a picture it can't be video

can't be video that's fair yeah all right so oh so it's fair or Carson Wentz that's fair

at Lambe in 2020 okay uh all right I got to represent my my podcast

co-host here uh oh Brandon Graham in this game does something so he something real records a

no okay Trash thoughts records a quarterback hit, a tackle for loss, forced fumble, fumble recovery, or draws a holding penalty by an offensive lineman,

obviously sacks or a half-sack count within quarterback hit. So Brandon Graham does something significant in this game. What if it's an illegal block in the back? And that doesn't count. Okay.

Just all I'm going to start. He did draw a holding penalty in his last game, the Super Bowl. I'm going to start the bidding at four. Good opening bid. Give me five. I want to root for that. Five going once.

Notice no pressures on there. Five going twice, six. We all knew you were. going to get to six on that. I had no doubt in my mind. For what it's worth, Brandon Graham in the game in Brazil last year, 32 snaps, did not do any of those things. Six going once. Six going twice. More than I want. Sold. All right, friend. All right. My next item. The Eagles outscore the Packers in the second

half. Packers average 15.9 points per game in the second half. That's the highest in the NFL. Just 9.5 in the first half, 26th in the NFL. They have been a second half team throughout the majority of this season. We will start the bidding at three. This is Eagles outscore. Eagles outscore the Packers.

The Philadelphia Eagles, not the band. Four. Five. Give me six. Seven. I'll talk eight. Eight going once. Nine.

10 10 going once 10 going twice sold that's a good one Eagles shut out the packers in the first half in the playoff game last year all right over to you professor just so everybody knows EJ has 11 left

I have 16 left friend has nine left okay and this is going to be a reverse Dutch auction so I'm going to count up and you guys are going to have to yell swooper out to get out of this. Whoever yells swooper out last gets the item for the number of turkeys that I just said and the item is

Jalen Hertz and A.J. Brown celebrate a touchdown together on the field. Now, it can just be a high five or a handshake. It doesn't have to be like a whole kid and play dance. On the field? But it has to be on the field before they've reached the bench area. Okay.

Okay, so kind of an intentional type of thing. And it doesn't have to be, it can be anyone's touchdown. It can be any touchdown. It can be a Packers touchdown. Yeah, they can throw a pick six and celebrate it on them.

Well, wait a minute. That would probably be controversial, but this is dead serious. Yeah, it doesn't have to be an AJ Brown. But if they score a touchdown and it's just like, you know, even if they just slap hands. So even if they do it has to be physical contact.

Yeah, right. It has to either be physical contact or an obvious, if they do like a choreograph dance together and they don't touch each other, that still counts. Okay. Like, so they did the kid and play dance after the touchdown against the Steelers last year.

like that would count whether they touch each other right but it must be celebratory it has to be celebratory okay yeah it can't be like AJ can't be like AJ punching getting into the face

yeah that's not celebration so let me ask you this what if what if it's a tush push touchdown okay or let's say it's a Sequin Barkley three yard touchdown run right and they're they're like going off the field and Jalen just you know gives AJ a pat on the ass no they both have to be

not looking yeah they both have to be like intentionally celebrating with the other one okay yeah yeah yeah that's a good question Okay, you guys ready? Yes. All right, you have to yell swooper out to get out of this one. So I'm going to start with, I'm going to say one, two, three, and I'm going to go that way.

Okay, you guys ready? Yeah. Swooper out. Swoop her out. Swoop her out. So you get it for two? Listen, I think the vibe, no, I said it at the same time as you. I'm just on a delay.

That's not fair. When I heard E.J. wasn't going to be here today. I was like, oh, no, he's going to have a disadvantage on this one. No, I think, I think this is good value for one. he gets it for one or two he gets it for one I never said to okay yeah all right all right all right so what is it at AJ Brown and Dalen celebrated touchdown on the field okay all right over to you E.J that one's gonna watch that watch that one hit yeah I'm telling you by week there's some chance they'd be working on messaging yeah Jalen seemed very

glowing about the fact that AJ was back and how about AJ her I liked AJ talking about how Jaya Alexander was a son that was funny Yeah, you're welcome, everybody. It was a good question, Bo. Yeah. My third item is the Eagles gain more than 191 yards from plays under center. That would be the most that they've had all season. I know Dana is mentioned earlier that includes runs.

Yeah, yes. Yep, includes total offense from under center. I know Dana is mentioned that the sack from under center play action maybe will dissuade them. But I don't know. I still want to leave that the open. And that would count is minus 16 in this case. Yes, yes, we're going net yards Yeah, so I'll open the bidding at two

Eagles have completely abandoned the pistol No pistol at all the last two games They used a lot of pistol in that playoff came against the Packers last year So much for the Second Amendment Not touching that one It was 190 last one in the last game Yep This would be a season high, okay

Two going one Once. Three. Three going once. Three going twice. Sold to Fran. All right. I've got a poo-poo platter of my own.

Item number 10. At least one, but not all of the following things occurs. Jalen Phillips has at least a half a sack from the inside wait what's the inside mean not on the edge if he's on the edge

that doesn't count three snap alignment okay snap alignment true media has it as not an edge now for him how's that because like you can make arguments about what counts right so they have a they have an inside

versus not inside yeah yeah okay yeah so they have him at they have him at 20 We can call this one on our eyes Based on pre-snap alignment And it's not who he's over It's like if he's if he's on the edge But he's actually over a guard that won't count You know what I mean?

Like if they're if they're tight So at least to have I think He has two sacks That's okay That hits if they're from the inside At least a half second Yeah at least yeah A kickoff goes out of bounds

There is a red zone turnover By either team Darius Cooper records a cat and there's a past attempt in the game by anyone other than Jordan Love or Jalen Hertz and now we'll start the bidding at three four five

I'm really worried with this like interpretation that you will be able to have with Jalen Phillips rushing from the inside That's why it should just be what true media says. Yeah, I don't like it that we're leaving it. Like, oh, we'll know it when we see it. I alone in the arbiter. Yeah, see, I don't trust that.

Five going once. Neither team has had anyone else throw a pass this year. Five going twice. Sold. All right. Sold about five. Yes. Okay.

So 10, 11, 6. Correct. The target count's cut. My last one? Yes. Brin is going to kill us. we got you got out jalen hertz accounts for more total touchdowns and for fewer turnovers than jordan love both must hit more total touchdowns and fewer turnovers than jordan love okay we'll

start the bidding at six both must hit both must hit no ties no ties you started at what we started at we started at six six wow seven six uh six oh eight eight going once nine uh do I do I close you out do I want this

love has two fewer passing touchdowns and five fewer rushing touchdowns than Jalen hurts which is strange for best quarterback of all time nine going once nine going twice sold to you j okay all right what do we got professor all right this is the last item this is going to be an all pay auction uh sealed bid where everyone pays their own bid and the highest bidder wins the item. Now, the item is

and the tie breaker, if there's a tie will be the people involved in the tie continue in a normal auction. Everyone pays though. Everyone pays rules continue for that part as well. The item is the Eagles win the game by more points

than the total number of turkeys bid on this item. Total number, so not just... If you lose the auction. You want the total number of turkey's bid to be higher. And so you're you'll be paying for something. You'll be paying

to make the item worse for the winner. If you're the winner, yeah, yeah, got to be a little careful because the more you bid, the harder the item becomes to actually hit. So, playing with different versions of this one for random 12. This is a fun one. Yeah, it's an interesting one.

Do you understand, E. I do. Did I just get really blurry? E.J., do you have your abacus with you? Are you doing okay? I will be honest. I didn't know how many turkeys I had midway through, but I figured it out. You're at one.

You're at one. But you can borrow. Obviously, yeah, for this one, you can borrow. For next week, yeah. All right. E.J., why don't you show us first? Oh, I messaged Julia. Oh. I can just tell you

yeah four okay Fran five oh I have two okay so the Eagles have to win by more than 11

for this to hit for Fran Brand pays five I'll take that yeah I'll like that won the playoff game by 12 there you go more than 11 so they got to win right so that would we have

the playoff game would just barely work. I'll take that. EJ's negative three for next week. I have nine left over. Okay. I have one leftover. Fran has one left over. He has Jalen Hertz has zero turnovers in the game.

He has the Eagles outscore the Packers in the second half. The Eagles have at least 191 yards under center and the Eagles win by 12 points or more. I have either team does a tush push on the opening drive. Brandon Graham does something cool, the poopoo platter. And that's it. E.J. has the carryover for the Eagles stay perfect in the red zone. He has the longest field goal ever happens

this week or any other week. He has Danes' poop platter. He has the broadcast shows a picture of Jalen Hertz or Carson Wentz from 2020. AJ and Jalen have a celebration after a touchdown and Jalen Hertz has both more touchdowns and fewer turnovers than Jordan Levin the game. I really wanted that one.

I saved that one at the end because I wanted it. I've been thinking all week about one for when I go first next week. I'm excited for that. I know we have to go Eagles wearing the Brazil combo with the black helmets, white uniform,

black pants, and white socks for this game. What do you think? A little Brazil throwback. I don't know. I don't love it, but it's kind of cool that it's like a throwback

to the Brazil thing. Quick super chats. Joe Rockhead says, is E.J. in a meatpacking plant? Fresh prints. With big Willie Lampkin back in practice, should they just cut Cam Juergens?

What happened to the halfback screens? We used to run with DeAndre's. Swift. Maybe we'll see Willie Lampkin pretty soon. Dr. Prince Blue. Bonus item. Bo pulling a Nancy Kerrigan on Ojamo. To stop to stop BJ from looking good.

I met Tanya Donnelly. You know how I said Tanya Donnelly instead of Tanya Harding on the show? You know how like three? No, I don't remember that. Okay, well, I met actual Tanya Donnelly last week. Who is that? Pretty awesome. She's the lead singer of Belly, band Belly from the 90s. Yeah. I'm sorry. Cool.

Laneview. Should the Eagles be worried about Nathaniel Hackett? Last time they went up against one of his squads, Jalen threw three picks. And OK Max Legroom with a super chat at the end. Shout out to the PHLY production staff. Julia, Julia, Brenna, Brenna, Lindsay, Lindsay,

Brie, Brie, Bree, Bree, Brie, Brie, Andrew, Andrew, Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, Ethan, Ethan. That's a big, I think it's a big number. What's that, uh, I can't see what that's for. It's yen. I don't know.

I don't remember the exchange rate. We were just in Japan. 28, I think. $3. Nice. Sick. All right. Awesome stuff, everybody.

For Julia, for Brenna, for E.J. For the professor, for Fran. For Istanbul. And of course, for Lou Dobbs, we thank you for. watching and listening. We will talk to you. We got you covered on Monday, pregame show, halftime show, post game show. If EJ's alive, he might even join us. We'll talk to you then. And as always, we love you.