PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Post-Draft Defensive Depth Chart: Jordan Davis’ 5th-year option, Jihaad Campbell in lineup

Episode Date: April 30, 2025

The Eagles have a few key questions on their depth chart on defense. On the day Howie Roseman exercised Jordan Davis’ fifth-year option, Zach Berman and Rich Hofmann will discuss the Davis news and what it means for the starting defensive line, whether Jalyx Hunt is ahead of Bryce Huff at edge rusher, if Jihaad Campbell is a starter at linebacker, and how the secondary could look. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Welcome to a Wednesday edition of the PHLY Eagles show. I'm Zach Berman here with Rich Hoffman, Julia Hoff, producing us, and we have a few dozen mice as a live studio audience today as we are in studio here in Studio B discussing the Eagles' defensive depth chart, a defensive depth chart that you know will include Jordan Davis. Now, we knew that was going to be the case before, but Jordan Davis is in the news today because the Eagles exercised his fifth-year option.

and we will discuss that and the entire depth chart around. But first, Rich, I haven't seen you in some time, man. You were traveling. Welcome back. Good to have you back. And as nice as it is to be in studio with you, what felt best was waking up. Well, I was already up this morning, but opening up my inbox this morning and seeing your newsletter arriving. I missed it.

So it's great to have you back. Man, I missed. Thank you, Zach, first off. And I missed you guys, too. It's funny. I was in Europe for a wedding. I guess I can say the country. I don't know why I'm being coy about that.

You're being like me here. I was in Spain for a wedding. And following along with the draft coverage, you know, when it's kind of in the middle of the night there was pretty interesting. I did not stay up for the whole first round. But, you know, I was a little groggy at 8 a.m. I believe on Friday morning.

And I was like, oh, I should see who the Eagles picked. They either traded out of the first round. And to my surprise, they took the linebacker, Jihad Campbell. What a different way to it. experience the draft. I mean, I missed being up with the sickos because I did the show with you guys last year. Yes. Those late night shows where Howie was trading back and back into the second and third rounds. Anyway, it was a, it was a different way to experience the draft, but I had fun in Spain

and I am happy to be back now. If you missed any of our 16 hours of live coverage, you can find that on, on YouTube. You can find many videos on demand from Friend Duffy and Bo Wolf and Bo. We can't wait to have you back when the time is right here. And then also make sure you're subscribed in all-PHLY.com. Fran Duffy has a piece up today on Eagles undrafted rookies. And those undrafted rookies are not included in the Dept chart review we'll discuss today because they'll officially sign their contracts later this week. The Eagles rookie minicamp will be Friday and Saturday this week.

And so you can read all about that on all-PHLY.com and Rich's newsletter. But the way we started the show today at the news at the top, if you will, was Jordan Davis. And we, to kind of take the viewers, listeners behind the scenes, we originally planned on doing the offense today in the defense on Friday. But when the news came out today, we said, all right, we're going to switch it up. Change it up. It's a vehicle to discuss Jordan Davis. So Jordan Davis, who I'm curious your thoughts on this decision. It wasn't a no-brainer.

why it kind of came down to the wire here, the deadlines tomorrow. He's entering year four here. He's been good. He's been productive, but he hasn't been necessarily what the Eagles might have thought when they drafted him 14th overall. He played 37% of the defensive snaps last year, has not played over 50% of the snaps in a season. I know the Eagles are especially optimistic about him.

They think he's going to grow into more of a player, but we've heard that before. and so he enters year four here. And by doing this, the Eagles have him under contract in 2006 for 12.9 million. I'll give my thoughts on it, but I'm curious. Were you surprised by it? What did you think of the Eagles exercising that fifth year option?

I was a little bit surprised by it, just considering what we have seen the rest of this offseason in terms of the whole Dallas Goddard situation and not wanting to spend money and how we're talking about how there are going to be some expensive contracts in the next few years because the Eagles have drafted some very good players over the past few years that are about to get second contracts. I think their bet here, Zach, is that they believe Jordan Davis is going to take a step forward once here, right?

I think that's the only way you can look at it. And there is some, I'm not sure I agree with that, but there is some logic to it, right? Isn't it generally considered defensive tackle a position where players don't always hit right away, right? I know this is year four, so this is maybe not the same type of rope that you would give him in years one and two and even two and three. But it does seem like they believe he has more in him. I will give him credit. He made some big plays in the playoffs. I think like most championship teams, I was feeling pretty good about Jordan Davis in late January and early February.

I would say, I know this is just one play, but the sack he had against Washington and the NFC championship. That was a big play, man. So, you know, obviously he still is this very talented guy. He is excellent at stopping the run. But to get to my general point, he doesn't play a ton of snaps, man. Yeah. And I don't think he, what he has shown so far does not scream a $12.9 million player in a few years. But it seems like the Eagles are banking on him taking a step forward with a little more opportunity,

a little more experience under his belt. And we'll see if they're right. Yeah, I think you put it well there in that he's been productive, especially in those snaps, but that is a good sum of money, a decent sum of money for, well, for anybody, but especially for somebody who is playing 37% of the snaps. And if he doesn't have kind of that role affecting the quarterback on a consistent basis on third downs, it's probably not, you can find a player with 70% of the, value at probably 30% of the cost, right?

If I can frame it like that. But this is the thing. If he does take on a bigger role, more workload, as I expect him to do. And I think, you know, you lose Milton Williams. All those snaps aren't going to Moro Ojima, right? All those snaps aren't going to Ty Robinson. Jordan Davis, I'm expecting,

we'll see closer to 40% and maybe more of that this year. and I think what will keep the Eagles up at night, this is always kind of the way I frame it, is not if they exercise this option and Jordan Davis doesn't quite meet it. What would keep the Eagles up at night is if they don't exercise the option. Jordan Davis has a standout season,

and then he hits the open market next year, and he's a $20 million year player because that's what it would be for a defense. Look, look, Milton Williams just got $25 million a year. He's a different type of play. player, but I go back to, you know, something you heard when Needles drafted Jordan Davis, and it's the absolute truth. There are only so many people on this earth who are that big and that athletic. And he's also been fairly durable as well. So the conditioning is something that they

talk about behind the scenes. They want to see it improved, but I'm not surprised that they did this. I did think the best courts of action was to give him a contract extension, not necessarily pick up that fifth year. I kept saying maybe a three-year, $35 million deal with $20 million guaranteed, and then you don't necessarily have that, you know, it brings down that number in 2026. Maybe they still go in that direction, but that's not the, that's, I don't fault them for exercising that fifth year option. So what I am worried about, and look, I think Howe-Rosman has proven to be one of the best executives in sports, not just the NFL. I am a little worried that, because I think this criticism will be leveled at them, are they just trying to justify the initial move, right?

Trading multiple picks, what was it, fourth round pick and a couple fifth round picks to move up to initially select Jordan Davis in the first round of the NFL draft. I just, I wonder a little bit if they're trying to justify that. We'll see. That's a good conversation to be had throughout this summer. If Jordan Davis wanted a good financial credit union, by the way, for that $12.9 million coming in this bank in 2026, the place to go is True Mark Financial Credit Union. They are a presenting sponsor for the show. We're fortunate that they're presenting sponsor for the show.

I pass by their headquarters often in Fort Washington. I'm sorry that it took me 10 minutes to mention them here, but A, better late than and never. And B, I need to continue proving why Bo is the best host in the city because he's able to get to that within the first 60 seconds as opposed to. 600 seconds into the show. How are those headquarters, by the way? How are the, they're looking building? Yeah, very nice. You get right off of the turnpike in 309 as you know, as you get that Fort Washington exit.

I assume this is their headquarters. I know they're headquartered in Fort Washington. I see on the right hand side this big True Mark financial credit building. It's beautiful. So yeah, make sure. But the great thing about True Mark is you don't just have to go to Fort Washington. They're all throughout the Philly area. It's a filialia financial credit union. Anytime I'm driving in the city, in the suburbs, I see a True Mark. So I appreciate True Mark for that.

So you independently know that their headquarters are in Fort Washington, but you don't know that the building that you see is their headquarters? Well, I know from our ad reads over the past year that they're, because one of the things that says is headquartered in Fort Washington, where Julia goes to high school or I'm sorry, not where she goes. Joey is in high school? Or Julia went to high school. Julia, get the class.

You've been cutting a lot recently, huh? She keeps young. What can I say, right? So, yeah. So, but yeah, so I imagine that is their headquarters because that would be, that'd be a really big, just financial credit union. But that's a good. So it's a great location, by the way.

You know, you got a wah-wah out right down the street. Anyways, let's roll on to the defensive defense. And we'll start with the defense tackles because we've been talking about them throughout the show, throughout the first 10 minutes before we talked about Tramark Financial Credit Union. And that is the top of the depth chart. I'm fairly confident we know what it's going to be. So if we want to flash that on the screen with the defense tackles, you know Jordan Davis is going to be in the middle in odd man fronts and he'll be on the field regardless.

You have Gailen Carter and you have Morrow Ojima. okay um but beyond them here it becomes a little bit more of a question here you go thank you julia uh so the reserves were we're talking about tie robinson their their fourth round pick thomas booker who was uh promising last year uh in a you know reserve nose tackle role he could take on a bigger role byron young who the eagles acquired and kept him on the roster is on i r for most of the year before i believe third round pick with the raiders then gave hall and on Gabe Hall, I want to make sure in case Bo is watching, Gabe Hall, an undrafted rookie last year who developed behind the scenes.

Let's start at the top because the Eagles lost Milton Williams, like we said. We're expecting Moro Ojojo to be the starter. Is that a fair assumption? Yes. Yeah. So you got Morrow, you got Jordan Davis, you got J. Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter is, from my view, ready to be in that defensive player of the year.

conversation. You're talking about the next step for him. It's elite, elite, elite. He showed it last year and now he should be in that tier of like top defensive players in the NFL. Yeah. And I think the key thing when I look at the depth chart there, that was a position that we thought could have been addressed. Yes. At the top of the draft. And really wasn't. You know, they went with Jahad Campbell and Andrew McCuba. Is that I say the name? Yes. He prefers Drew from for him from one to understand. Call me Drew. Okay, yeah, that's fine.

I like that. Yeah. Drew McCuba. Okay. But they did not address defensive tackle until the fourth round with Ty Robinson. So I think one of the key things there

because we just talked about, you know, Jordan Davis, hopefully he gets the snap count up to around 50%. He's going to need to because there's not as much depth last year, right? They had both Carter and Davis, but they also had Milton and Ujamo behind them. So I do think Jalen Carter being able to play as many snaps as he showed last year is critical, right?

Because they don't have as much depth as they had at that spot last year, Zach. No, and it depends too on Ty Robinson. When you're drafting a 24-year-old in the fourth round, what you're hoping for is this guy's a rotational player. And I do think he's not going to be someone who's inactive. He's someone who's going to be playing, who's going to be part of that rotation. And to me, they're not been there if Ty Robinson is the player who I think he can be, which is a high floor type of player.

The big question there is Moro Wojima. You know, and I know there is that there might be a school thought. Jordan Davis is the big question. Can Jordan Davis play more? I've seen Jordan Davis is his high watermark, and I think he can hit that a little bit more frequently. The question with Morrow is that throughout the playoffs, he was starting to impede on Milton Williams'

his playing time. It wasn't so blatant. It wasn't like Kenny Gainwell with Miles Sanders two years ago or three years ago, rather, in the postseason run. But you could see the confidence that they have in Morrow.

He's going to be someone who's a key piece to this defense. And I think the success of that defense of tackle group, a lot of it's going to depend is, is there a next step to his game? What's 2025 look like for Morrow Ojima?

Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at it. I mean, Jalen Carter playing 79% of the snaps is just, it's so critical because, you know, as we saw in the Super Bowl, he is the guy that gets doubled, right? And he is the guy who makes everyone else's life easier. And that's the hope that Aajima has shown enough, I think, that he can play off Jalen Carter. And I feel confident that there is at least a mini leap that he can make this year. There's a chapter in a book coming out in September on Jalen Carter's playing time. You can see that wherever books are sold.

It's called Leapier. So as far as down the depth chart there, Thomas Booker, someone who you can pay attention to. But I really think the key is going to be the top four. What role does Ty Robinson have? How does Morojaima take that step this year? Now let's look at the players on the edges. Okay. So this is a group where if you say where can the Eagles get some work or have some work to do, have some questions,

I think edge rusher is a key spot to look. And as we look at this edge rusher group, you have Nolan Smith, and I put Jell X-Ox Hunt as a starter when I sent this over to Julia. Great job, but Julia getting these up. I put him as the starter over Bryce Huff. So we can have that conversation. Then Azizzo Jollari, Bryce Huff, Josh Uche, as reserves, Antoine Powell Riland, their sixth-round pick,

Patrick Johnson, O'Shaun, Mattis, and KJ Henry Philwell, the depth on the roster. So first off, big picture. What do you think of this edge rushing group? Not as much proven talent because there's not the Jalen Carter level player. Right. And look, Nolan Smith, who's going to be dealing with an injury for most of this offseason, I would say, Zach. But he is your standout guy there.

Jalick's Hunt, you know, I think when you guys were talking about what position do the Eagles need to address before the draft, like where are they weakest? Yep. Jalix Hunt, I felt better about him as a player than a lot of the guys you're talking about, but the position is so critical. And really, he has only shown basically a quarter of a year. You know, he started to get more snaps at the end of the year. I like Jailix Hunt, but I don't know what he's going to look like as an every down player. Now, I think I'm happy you're on the show and I'm happy that Bo is with the family right now because I want to talk about a little positionless football. Oh, I love this. Okay. Because are we going to see our guy, I'm feeling, feeling good now.

Are we going to see our guy Jahad Campbell there? Well, I think so. And if, if, for those who watched a show yesterday, you saw Fran say that, that Eagles are going to start Jahad Campbell off, off ball and go from there. And I do expect during OTAs, it's essentially a passing camp, right? And so it behooves them to play Jehad Campbell off, off ball. You're not actually rushing the quarterback during OTAs. To me, the big question here isn't what you're doing first or second down.

It's where is he on third down. Okay, if you're rushing the quarterback on third down, that says a lot to me. If you're off ball on third down, then that speaks to me that you're an offball linebacker. So I'm real curious to see what they do as on those third downs. That to me is particularly critical. And I've been informed by my wonderful colleagues to say multipositional as opposed to position list. What's your view on that semantical? change. Is semantical a word? I don't like it. Semantics change or semantic?

Is, like, am I able to say semantical? Is there a way to make it an adjective? To be honest with you, even though I've been a writer for a long time. I don't know if you can use that as an adjective. Yeah, so all right. What's that? Oh, AI says it. I'm good, right? Bo absolutely hates this show right now. Oh, no. Bo's throwing tomatoes at the house. It's like the worst four-minute segment ever for now. Yes. Oh. Yeah, so. No, I say stick with positionless. Okay.

That's your thing. Go for it. I appreciate it. And I can give you the origin from the Eric Spolster of Miami Heat. Come on. But you've all heard that stick already. So anyways, Nolan Smith, clear top of the Jetarch guy, came on last year. Really think he showed a lot.

Yeah. But obviously that was in, really as your second and third edge rusher, not as your primary guy. The Eagles lost Josh Sweat this spot. They lost Brandon Graham at this spot. Major questions. Vic Vanjave showed he doesn't need to go deep here. With J.OX Hunt, there's a lot of questions about, like, can he step into a major role? The Eagles are really optimistic about him, showed signs last year, has a sat, you know, comes through in the playoffs multiple times.

There's a lot of expectations there. I put him over Bryce Huff because Bryce Huff did not show me anything last year. Right, like Bryce Huff, for $17 million a year, Bryce Huff, for $17 million a year, Bryce Huff, That was problematic, and I don't know yet what Bryce Huff's role is going to be on the team. I want to continue this conversation because EdgeRuscher is a key piece of this step chart. But before we do, let's take a quick break because the Edge Rush conversation could go a little long, and I want to make sure that these wonderful people here or you hear from some of the wonderful people who support our show. Let me tell you about Hello Fresh, okay, because there are times when,

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I mean, this is exciting conversation here. your assessment, you know, it's hard to say at this point, but are you expecting Bryce Huff to be a part of the team this year? How would you navigate that situation? I don't know, man. You know, I think just Vic Fangio spoke with this playing time and, you know, making him inactive, right? I think that was a big deal.

Inactive in the Super Bowl of all games. I know. So to me, I actually think the most underrated signing that the Eagles made this offseason is Aziziozioziorari. Yes. I just, I feel good about him at least playing a role, right? And the Eagles, for a long time, have been a team that's the old Jim Schwartz thing, right? You know, fastballs, right?

Get guys, rotate the pass rushers, don't tire any of them out. I think you do need depth at that position. I feel pretty good about him playing at least a role on this group. And I know that's somebody you thought that the Eagles would sign before free agency. It was a name you thought, at least that they'd be interested in. You did have it in your predictions, aren't? Yes. I appreciate that.

Yeah, of course, man. It's, I feel, it feels abnormal getting like a nice plugs on the show, so I appreciate that. Yeah, well, I'm a good mood. Yeah, so Azizzo Jalari's a, I like his game a lot. And I think that he can frankly push for meaningful playing time for the Eagles. I like the profile a little bit more, actually, than Bryce Huff a year ago when the Eagles gave Bryce Huff, $17 million. Bryce Huff was coming off a better year.

You come off a double-digit saxie. season that certainly helps. But the athletic traits for Aziz Ojolari jumped out when he was coming out. I'm expecting him to be the third edge rusher here, but I would like to see him get more work. Josh Uche is kind of the wild card. He's been a double-digit sack producer in the NFL. Just once.

Yeah, and these past, you know, two, three years have not necessarily been fruitful for him. But he's, he is the wild card in that group. You heard Fran talking about Antoine Powell Rylund yesterday. And Antoine Powell Rylind, I mean, prolific, prolific production. Great production. Yeah. At Virginia Tech. I think it was 25 and a half sacks in 24 games.

That's hard to beat. Hard to beat. And it's not like he's small. He doesn't have explosive athletic traits, but he could push to have like a designated pass rush or role. That's why, if I had to guess, I still think the Eagles are going to try to find some type of post-June 1st trade for Bryce. tough. But at this point, I just think the Eagles have more intriguing options. I know publicly

they'll say that they haven't closed the book on them. This is one where, I'm sorry, closed the book on him. But they showed you through their actions. You put it well. You're inactive for the Super Bowl. That speaks to me right there. And so the big question with this group is what's the next step for Nolan Smith? What's the next step for Jalick's Hunt? as you ask does Jihad Campbell mix in? I'm expecting Jihad Campbell to mix in on some third downs. And then can Aziz O'Jalari be that, I don't want to say what Zach Bonn was last year,

but take that one-year deal and really parlay it into something bigger. Candidly, I'm surprised the Eagles didn't do more in the draft at this spot unless you view Jihad Campbell as that player. You mentioned the trade with Bryce Huff. I want to ask about another trade, because you have mentioned a bunch that they have, all of these picks next year, right? And you expect that the Eagles are going to be trying, they're going to be aggressive to try and get a veteran at a spot and use some of those

mid-day or, sorry, mid-round picks in trying to acquire that player. Where do you think the position that they might target would be? Great question. I mean, tight end and, you know, Jamie and I, or depending on the rookie camp, it might be you and Jamie. I'm breaking news to you here, by the way. I don't know what your schedule is Friday, but there's a chance. I'm playing. I'm in Rican camp. What do you mean? But yeah, so the tight-end depth chart if Dallas Goddard's not there is a concern.

And so that stands out. But I think that edge-rusher, I would always pay attention to edge-rusher. And especially if like, if O-W-W-Rab from the Ravens is, in fact, available, I can see the Eagles trying to get him that he's the profile player that they should look at. But yeah, I think edge-rusher and tight-end

or the two spots I'm watching. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yeah. So let's get the linebacker here because this is interesting. And when you see this, I didn't know where to put Nacobi Dean. I'm not expecting Nicopi Dean back by week one. Nkobi, if you're watching this right now, first off, thanks for watching. And second, prove me wrong if that's the case.

But for the projected starters, I put Zach Bond and Jihad Campbell. For the reserves, Jeremiah Trotter, Smile Monde, Jr., Ben Van Suman, the Dowskant. There's also actually, there's going to be some undrafted players you can read about on Fran's list on all-P-H-L-Y.com. So my question here,

a few of them. First off, your view of what will happen with Nikobie Dean. Am I right putting Jehad Campbell with the first team? And what do you make of your fellow prep alum Jeremiah Trotter Jr. on this list? So I think Nicobi in the injured category,

I mean, first off, it's correct. He is injured, right? Yeah, I mean, I think being paid with him is important, right? That was a pretty gnarly knee injury. You know, he's a guy who's been injured before. I expect that we will see him at some point during the season, but to expect him right away, I'm not expecting that, right? And if he does get back faster, like you said, that would be awesome. And I love Nikovi. I was really bummed that he got hurt earlier in the playoffs. I mean, I was kind of bummed that the Eagles did not bring back Oren Burks for that small price and

free agency. Now I feel a little bit better about it because they have Jihad Campbell here. So I think that's smile. Smile Mondin is the Oren Berks replacement. Oh, yeah? Yeah, yeah. We'll get to that in a bit. But yeah. Why?

Are you going to have a good relationship with them? Oh, I hope so. No, I just think the claims, I hope to have a good relationship with all 90 guys on this roster. Yeah, but you and Oren, I mean, you were, you were a sympathetic on. Orrin, hey, if you're looking for someone to drive down to Florida with, well, I think, I think that was the question. Come on. Warren, Brooks. I mean, I'm sorry if I don't pick the traditional options.

You have me on the show here because I have these relationships on the team. Orrin Berks, nice guy, well-read, Vanderbilt University, always good having conversations with him. Saw him at the car wash, a lot of, you know. So shout out to Warren Birch. A lot of pressure, smile. Yes, a lot of pressure, smile. But you know, you have a name like Smile. That puts you up.

You know how he got his name, by the way? No. So his father was Ismail. And when he immigrated to the United States, I think if I have the story correct, that they misspelled the name. And so went from Miss Mal to smile. Love it.

Yeah. But smile is a great name. Great name. Better than frown, right? I'm not going to laugh at that. Yeah. Yeah, Bo would be proud of you. So let me ask you.

Zach Bond. How does he follow up year one? I think well. Obviously, you're a little worried. because he's an older player. He's not an old player at the position. He just figured out what position he should be playing at 28 years old. I think he's going to be really good.

And I was a little curious, before listening to you guys on the pod when I was in Spain, I was thinking like, well. What a flex that is, by the way. Absolutely. When I was in Spain and I did not have access to your pod right away because I was asleep, I did wonder, yeah, like isn't the point of Zach Bond

to go light at the, the other linebacker position, right? And not put too many resources because he and Vic Fangio will make it work. I mean, I think what Vic Fangio could do with Zach Bonn and if they do start John Campbell at off ball linebacker, I mean, think of all the fun stuff that Vic did with those overhang looks and you kind of never knew where the pressure was coming. And Zach Bonn, sometimes he was rushing the passer, sometimes he was dropping back in the coverage. I just feel like Vic Fangio is going to be a kid in the candy store, right?

He's just going to be drawn up all these funky sim pressure looks. It'll be a lot of fun. So I think Zach Bonn is still going to be very good next year. Like a, you know, am I a little worried what he looks like at the end of his contract? Yeah, sure, just because of the age. But I think he follows it up with, if not like, a transformational season because, Zach, he was one of the very few best linebackers in the sport last year. Defensive player of the year, Kennedy.

I don't see a major drop off from Zach Bonn. Yeah, no, I think that as, as, long as he stays healthy, there's another step to his game here, right? Because like you said, it was, and he's referenced this. That was his first year playing off-off-ball linebacker. I think Jahad Campbell's the starter, and I think Jahad Campbell's an impact player. But I'm in the camp that I'm still expecting Jahad Campbell to see more and more work on the edge as the year goes on, and especially on third downs. I don't think Howie Roseman brought that up unless that was something that they were going to do. I don't think Hallie Roseman mentioned the Penn State linebackers,

like Micah Parsons, like Abdul-Carter, who switched from, you know, off-ball to edge. By the way, gave Penn State a little too much credit with the Micah Parsons. Didn't the Micah Parsons thing happen in the pros? Yeah, no, he was talking about that template of player, right? Not that Penn State did it. He was, he said, and so I think the fact that he referenced that because he's pretty smooth this way, Hallie. I don't know, he'll probably appreciate that I called him smooth, that he didn't mention them by name. So it's not like he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,

He's making the Micah Parsons comp, but by doing it the way he did, it was, I think that was intentional. And so I know this is like a big debate on Eagles Twitter right now. I think that's what Elliot calls it, Eagles Twitter. And so I think Jehad Campbell, like I'm not labeling him one or the other, but I don't think he's exclusively an off-ball linebacker. I think he's going to get more and more work on the edge. and I'm fascinated to see what this looks like when Nicobie Dean gets back. But Jeremiah Trotter Jr. I'm expecting Trott Jr.

and Smile Mauden to be the two depth players in this group. And then Ben Van Sumer, and I'm actually expecting to see him more at fullback than at linebacker. Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, again, like crediting Penn State, like James Franklin almost cost the Eagles a pick last year for tampering for no reason just because he couldn't, he was not smooth in front of him like. No.

Yeah, it was ridiculous. this. Yeah, I think I agree with that. So you mentioned Trott, who went to my high school along with Kyle McCourt. Now we got two guys on the team. It feels like this is not a huge sign of confidence in him. I understand that Campbell, they just felt that the value was too good, right? They were trying to trade up to get him anyway. They were confident in the medical and the opportunity to get a player that talented at Pick 31, as it turns out. But towards the very end of the first round was too much. But, you know, he didn't play over Warren Berks in the playoffs last year. Seems like that was the right move because Warren Berks, your guy was very rock solid during that

playoff run. But do you think I'm reading too much into that? Yeah. Well, it depends what the expectations were for, Trot. If you thought Trot was going to be a starter this year, then, I mean, then you're not reading too much into it. I don't think it was, but I don't think Trotter had the standing on the team where you're not going to, going to draft over him, right? And I agree. Jihad Campbell's value was too much to pass up, but I don't think they went into that draft saying

they need to get an off-ball linebacker in the first round or first three rounds. I think that I actually know going into the week, or I'm sorry, going into the month, let's say, coming out of the combine, they weren't expecting Jihad Campbell to be there in their range. And I think as the draft got closer and they were going through scenarios and some of the medical red flags were coming up with Jahad Campbell. That's where they started to do a little more work on him or start to do a little more work on the possibility that he could slip there.

I just think, so to go to the positionless conversation that we've had for years between Beau and me and Sheel is that just put Jehad Hamel on the field and where you need him to play that specific role, if you need him to play a role on that down, he'll do it. And I think the great thing about positionless or multi-positional, however you want to frame it, is that they are adaptable, right? And it's like if you go back to those Miami heat teams, the whole thing was guard, was guard one through five, right? You want guys who can guard one through five.

Did you see that he played the other night? Yeah. They did not guard one through five. No, no, no, no, no, no, they did not. There's some playoff matchups this year where there's just such a disparity between the teams that you just, yeah, that first, that's under grizzly game. That was, yeah, brutal. It's funny because I'd say,

five of the series are awesome. But the other three are just disasters. Yeah. Yeah. So from football terms, Campbell can guard one through five. And that's rare to have. And so I am expecting him to play more on the edge.

But I think Trott Jr. That happens, right? That opens up a spot for another linebacker. And that's Nicobi Dean eventually. Yeah, you're right. But Trot Jr. And pay attention. Please pay attention.

I'm telling you right now on April. 30th at 2.37 p.m. Eastern time. Pay attention to Smile, Mondin Jr. because the Eagles were surprised that he was on the board when he was. And I think, I think Smile can make some people smile when he's out there this year. Great athlete. Yes. Yeah, really good athlete. I mean, look, if you start... The issue is that at that position,

if you don't actually, like, read the play well, then being a great athlete doesn't matter quite as much. Look, if you're on the field for Kirby Smart, that's jumps out to me. And, you know, there were people who had them as the second best linebacker in this draft. I think that's a bit of a stretch. But I think, you know, after taking Campbell, it's not as if the Eagles were like, they need to take a linebacker in the fifth round, right? It was just, he was, he stood out, he stood out absolutely on their board. What's the max number of Georgia players that the Eagles can get on the field defensively this year? Well, at one time, 11, but. Yeah.

Sorry. Well, all right. Are there actually 11, are there actually 11 guys? No, no, no. Okay. I thought you meant like hypothetically. Sorry. There's position list, but it stops at 11, though.

Don't. The answer then would be Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis, Nolan Smith, O'Sullery, Kobe Dean, Aziz Ojalari. You get smile on there? Smile Mondin and Luisine and Keeley Ringo. So eight. Wow. Eight.

Yes. Yeah. Just do it for the for the screenshot tweet. Fran would love that. Oh man. Just Fran narrating all the Georgia guys on the field. The great recruiting pitch down there for for Glenn Schumann and co.

Yeah. My jokes are not landing today even though I, so. I didn't mind that. That last one was. I got to say this. Last night was the first night since July 19th. When I had, since July 19th,

when I had nothing on my to-do list. Nice. Yeah. It was like, I, you know, Emily was like, do you have to go at work? And I'm like, no, she's like, you don't have like writing or transcribing? I'm like, no, no. We watched the show together. It was like, yeah, I went to bed at 1030.

I mean, Jim, you know, I was, I was waiting for Jim Salisbury was writing over at the Phillies. I posted that this morning. But yeah, I was like, I looked around and I'm like, like, what do I do? kids just went to sleep kids just went to sleep you know I have a few books that I want to you're wandering around the neighborhood aimlessly yeah I mean it's late April

yeah all of the key off season moves have been made 7 30 kids went to sleep you know usually you know and look I'm not trying to be Johnny Trihard here there have been times when like I haven't worked at night this year but there's always been something where it's like all right I have to do this I have to you know I have to write this story

I was my I was doing my show prep this morning but yeah it was uh i i i honestly felt like uh like i had a blank check of time it was incredible let me ask is there a physical to do list uh like like on to the gym you mean oh oh oh oh do you mean like an actual like like writing to do are you writing this down either on oh yeah yes yeah i have a checklist of things i need to accomplish each day yeah is it physical or is it on your phone oh my phone yeah i'd love like a no yeah no i i i enjoy you seen me hold a pen before. I try not to write manually. I try to type

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Don't miss the chance to set up your kids for financial success. Let's check in on some of these super chats. My eyes are not very good. So I'm going to pull that up here on my computer. Oh, here you go. Thank you, Julia. Zach, name three guards that you try to emulate when you take the court. All right. Rich is going to like this question.

Great question, Steve. Yeah. Yeah. So I would go Eric Snow. Oh, my God. Setting the bar low. There's always room for Eric Snow. Man, Eric Snow was my favorite player. Or I was a huge Eric Snow guy. I had one of my good friends in high school, you know, his dad was involved in the Sixers and got me an Eric Snow autograph.

And it was like the coolest thing in the world. So, yeah, Eric Snow, because he's smart, plays defense, passes the ball, and you're not expecting in the shoot. And so that's, that's probably similar to me. So I would go Eric Snow. I would go with, probably Eric Snow, Eric Snow, Eric Snow, and Eric Snow. Yeah, I'm happy you said that, because if you would have said any other guard, I would have said you're not being consistent there, man. Yeah, yeah. No, Mario Chalmers, how about that?

But he shoots a little bit more, but you try to. Does the rest of your team yell at you? like the heat used to yell. You know, but I'm good at taking that, right? Because like, yeah, yeah, it's not for lighter burden, that's for broader shoulders. So a combination of those two, and then Mugsy Boggs.

Sure. Because of the height, how about that? Here, here, give me one for you. Because you can play and you can shoot. I've seen you. One guy that I try to emulate, I would say like a less offensively talented James Harden. I just don't play defense.

Okay, yeah, yeah. Like I do one Euro step, and I'm like, I'm like James Hardin. and on left-handed too. Yeah. I like that. And then you change teams every few years.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. 100%. From Chase Daniel Plainview. Oh, wow. Okay. All right. So you're going to this direction.

Pete, first off, we appreciate your contribution, as always, Chase. Pete Hankseth has been criticized for involving his wife and his work. How can you be professional while making sure your spouse knows they were loved? How can you be professional while making sure your spouse is love? I think, look, I think, um, you know, you show with your actions every day. And, you know, I would say who you are some of the time is who you are all of the time. So if you, you know, you love your wife and you treat her well and, you know, you treat her with respect, that's the best you could do.

I hope that appropriately answers that question. But I appreciate it. Let me quick change the subject here before we get to the secondary. Best thing you ate in Spain, because I hear Madrid, I know Madrid's a good food city. food city. Great paella. Great paella. Just a lot of like we went a couple times to just these topas restaurants and they just they put a bunch of fish in front of you. They put a bunch of different meat dishes in front of you. And I can't even tell you what I ate that because they're just these little small dishes that you just keep ordering and ordering. There was a there was like an

octopus that I ate that was actually pretty good. Yeah. That I was like surprised how much I liked. But yeah, definitely a great food city. I would say. Not a fan of the other. siesta's. I got to say that. Oh, you don't like how little they work over there? Not a fan of just like interrupting your dad to go take a nap. Like, I mean, seems so inefficient. Right? You know, I'm

looking for the... You would just be disgusted driving down the street, seeing all the people drinking beers on the in their suits, just taking three hours off from work. When I was in high school, or no, college, I was in college, Benegans. Do you remember Benegans? They had a 30 minute or less food.

I'm sorry, 30 minute or less lunch special. Like, if they didn't get your food out to you and you, in 30 minutes, it was free. And so at Eagle's training camp sometimes, you know, I was interning for the Inquirer back then. And I'm driving up on 309. There's a Benegins up there on the way to Lehigh. So much stuff on 309. Yeah. And.

True Mark. Benegins. Yeah. You can knock that. Like, to me, let's get in and out of lunch in 30 minutes. You got the long lunch. You got the long lunch. you're drinking the wine at the table and then you get

and then you're taking a nap and then what it's like 4 o'clock you just burn three hours your day man it doesn't strike me as efficient but hey people love spain so so when I was when I was flying back home Zach I think you'll probably blame this

on the siesta's but literally we got to the terminal in the airport and I realized like oh yeah like the lights aren't on in this terminal right now. Like the lights weren't on in the bathrooms. I tried to buy water at the terminal for the plane and they were like the card readers do not work

so you cannot buy this. So I was thinking, that's weird. Like what's going on over here? The whole country lost power. The whole country. Yes. Jeez. Because of those siestas too.

Now I was lucky. I got out of there. But I guess the airport had some generators that got us out of there. But yeah, when I got home, him, I saw that there was just, there was chaos. There was traffic in the streets. There were people were stranded on trains. You know, people were going to the ATM to try and get cash.

So, I mean, I think a lot of people were taking siestas that day. Yeah, they should do that during the sestas. They wouldn't even notice. Polar Jam mentioned the ham as well. Homoen, Iberico. Ah, yes. It's good. Good.

Okay. All right. Had a bunch of that. Hopefully the NFL plays in Madrid at some point. And I get over there. So anyways, I don't have a natural transition here. If you're taking a nap, don't take a nap on Keely Ringo, because let's get to the Eagles cornerbacks here.

And I wrote on all p.shly.com the day that I don't think anyone helped himself more in the draft on the Eagles than Keely Ringo. I didn't think the Eagles were going to take a corner high, but there was that possibility of a Maxwell Harrison or something like that. I think Keely Ringo is solidified here as a top three corner. So among the starters, I have Quignan Mitchell, Keely, Ringo, Cooper, the Gene, and I personally think the Gene could play on the outside in, you know, quote-unquote base, but they're going to be in nickel or die most of the time anyways,

and I still think the Gene's on the inside there. And then reserves, Doree Jackson, Eli Ricks, Mack, McWilliams, a friend Duffy favorite, Perry Nickerson, Taree Castro Fields, and A.J. Woods. So we'll start here with Quignon Mitchell, Keeley Ringo and Cooper the Gene. What do you think of that as your top three corners? Feeling pretty good about that.

Yeah. Yeah. I completely agree with your take that Kili Ringo is probably the biggest winner. Maybe Ajima is the other one from the draft weekend because they really did not bring in anybody. Mack McWilliams, by the way, that's a great name. Yes. To go Mac McWilliams and smile back to back, I think, were they back to back? I don't know if they're back to back picks, but around each other.

On the same day in the draft, just really upgrading. I believe they were. I think it was Macdon's smile. I think you're right. In the name department. But yeah, Kili Ringo feels like this is his job, right? Because Adori Jackson, that feels like the type of veteran you bring in and say to Kili Ringo, yeah, you have some competition here, but we want you to win this job, right? You would need to mess up to win this job.

You put it a much more succinct way than I could. That's a perfect way to put it. Is that Adore Jackson, it gives you a veteran in the room that if you need someone to step in, he can. But I think Keeley, who by the way is younger than Quinnian Mitchell, he's also younger than Jadae Barron, first round pick. So like this is, I mean,

I know it's a it's like a running bit on this show, but think about this. If Keeley Ringo was coming out in this draft, who do you think would be more appealing? Kili Ringo or Jaday Barron? It wouldn't surprise me if it was Keeley Ringo, who started for

two years at Georgia, goes into the draft, has, has developed. You know, I know people talk about the tight hips. I've, I think, I think healy's been tough downfield, frankly, during the practices that I've watched in the times that he's played. I would like to see him be more aggressive on the ball. That's something to watch out for. But this is going to be a big spring and summer for Kiley Ringo. Changed his jersey number, by the way. He's now number seven. So Ringo seven, if you're looking for a jersey. I feel like he'll be a little faster up with that seven. You think so? That extra number was

weighing him down. Yeah, like Kenny Pickett fast, right? I think of Michael Vick, though, of course, or Sam Bradford, either one. But yeah, no, that's, yeah, Keely Ringo. And then where do you stand on Cooper to Gene? Do you just keep him in the slot? Do you think he should get a look on the outside? I think you need to have a better succession plan for the slot. You know, we know that he's going to play pretty much every snap. I think he frankly deserves a chance to play on the outside at some point. I wonder, do you think that's something that he's going to push for at some point? Well, yes. I mean, just because of the pay, right?

Exactly. So look at the Houston Texans this offseason, okay? The Houston Texan signed Derek Stingley to the highest contract for a corner on the outside. They signed, they signed jail and Petrie to the highest corner or the highest contract in the slot when they signed them. And you're looking at like a delta of like $10, $15 million a year. So it behooves Cooper to Jean and those to represent them To want him to play on the outside But I think the comparison to use is Marlon Humphrey

Marlon Humphrey plays on the outside In like base downs, but it moves inside I think I think Cooper can move around and you'll see that from him Yeah So that's my general take on it Is that until you find another slot player I would rather have Kili Ringo on the outside and Cooper Inside I feel like that mix works best

For this team Here's a question because is we haven't gotten to the safeties yet. But do you think Macuba could figure in its slot? It's a good question. It's a really good question. I can see MacCuba. Let's say like Sydney Brown is actually good.

Yeah, if Sydney Brown starts, I can see MacCuba playing in the slot in dime situations, right? Because you know, you look at him from a size perspective, certainly makes sense there. I think MacMac Williams is going to factor into it. But McCuba, who's going to start off with the safeties, it wouldn't surprise me if he gets in those dime packs. packages. Yeah. I mean, Mac McWilliams, a little bit of an Avanti replacement, I think, as well. So they

have some dark throws there in different ways at the spot. But I would certainly start Cooper at slot because they were the best defense in the league. The second he moved there. Yeah, it's an interesting position, probably not one that Eagles fans are totally familiar with, to go with the, to have confidence in a young group of corners going into the season. I really don't have a lot of question marks. I know some fans might. I mean, obviously, Mitchell and the gene, I'm expecting them to be better. I'm bullish on Ringo. I think Adori Jackson's good insurance. If Mack McWilliams is what Fran says he is, and I haven't done a lot of MacMick Williams work, other than watching some highlights, then I think he's your backup slot, and you can figure

it out from there. That gives you four players right there. And I know they lost Isaiah Rogers. They lost Darius Slay, but you add Mick Williams, you add James. You add James. Jackson and then you have guys developing. I really like that. Let me ask you a question because, you know, one of the things that I have learned over the past few years and listening to you guys is that defense year over year does not always transit. Yeah, there's variance.

Right? There's variance. Sometimes you're the second best defense in the league and then you're in the bottom third the next year. Where do you think this team will stack up now? People are just going to be guessing, right? You know, people did not know that the Eagles were going to be this dominant of a defense last year because they frankly went from at the end of the 2023 season, which is the tape that I am banking on from Kili Ringo to translate a year and a half later to this team

to one of the best defenses in the league last year. Where do you think they will slot in after making all of the moves that they made in the offseason heading into this year? Yeah, it's a really good question. You know, I hate to elude the question or evade the question. I need to see them out there. Like I do have some questions about this group. I think they have a high baseline with Vic Fangio and with the secondary that they have.

I think it's a high baseline too. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not saying they're going to be the first ranked defense again. But considering that they basically brought back the most important people at every level of their defense. I'm feeling pretty good about that with Vic, who, by the way, Vic Fangio throughout his career, usually it's the second year when the defense gets any better. That would be hard to pull off this year.

But, you know, I think there's something to be said for knowing a scheme, knowing how he operates and all of those things. Yeah, I think the edge rushers are going to be key there. But I think an expectation of a top 10 defense is absolutely fair. Yep. Absolutely. Let's get the safeties before we get to overtime. So with at safety, a good place to start is reblankenship. But then the question is the spot that was occupied by CJ Gardner Johnson.

I put Drew McCuba based on what they spent in the draft with him. He's going to be in competition. So this is a competition. I could just have a slash here, which is what the Eagles would do, which is McCuba or Sydney Brown, and then behind him, Tristan, McCollin, Louis, C, and Andre Sam, you know, see undrafted rookies there. We don't need to kind of get into the re-blanketship discussion.

I like re-blanked Jim Moore's your second safety as opposed to your first. But the big question here is, who wins the job? I'm asking you right now on April 30th at 257. Cuba or Sydney Brown? I think the Cuba's going to win the job. Just because I don't know. I don't, there's something about Sydney Brown.

I just don't trust. I mean, that guy watching him play on special teams this year, I mean, he was like a stunt man, man. He was throwing his body all over the place. So that was enjoyable to watch. But playing safety is a different thing, right? And I know now he's a year off the injury, so he should be better this season.

But spending a second round pick on Drew McCuba, even if it was at the very end of the second round. And especially because the Eagles, they've reached compared to the consensus board, right? I think most people had him as a third round pick. And they said, we like this guy enough that we think everybody else is wrong. We actually think more highly. Fifth round pick. I was way off.

Yeah. Yeah. So I would give him the nod, but I'll ask you, do you think this is just a 50-50 competition where nobody really starts ahead of each other at the beginning? Yeah, I mean, well, I think day one, it's going to be Sydney Brown out there because he's returning. I think too much was right into the fact that Sydney Brown didn't get a lot of playing time last year. And Trist McCollum played over him. I think a big reason for that is Sydney Brown missed training camp.

And so Vic Fangio really didn't get a good look at him there. But now he's healthy during the offseason. That's going to factor into it. But the Eagles took Drew McCuba for a reason to Drew McCuba is a good fit in this defense. So I'm expecting Sydney Brown early on, but I'm expecting McCuba to ultimately win the job. I did, look, I had McCuba as to my guy. Now, I thought he was going to be, I would have taken Kevin Winston over Drew McCuba because I think Kevin Winston is more upside.

But I think Drew McCuba is a real good fit in this defense. And it's going to be a good player in the NFL. Before we finish this conversation and before we get the overtime, I just want to tell everyone real quick that if you want to see some of us who know how to golf, I don't know how to golf. But if you want to see some of us who know how to golf and if you want to golf with us, make sure you go to the P-H-L-Y Liberty Open, second annual Liberty Open on Saturday, June 14th,

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One of the golfers gets killed. Bo Wolf is a fantastic golfer. You can golf with Bo Wolf, the P-H-L-Y, Liberty Open, and find out what I think and what Rich thinks about the rest of the safeties and more in overtime. Welcome back from overtime here, where we are going to have more... Shotgun start to a shotgun finish there.

We're going to have more success in overtime than the Milwaukee Bucks had in the overtime. I was thinking about that. Wasn't Doc Rivers fault. I was thinking, no, never it is. when I saw that last night, I'm like, I'm going to incorporate that into overtime, try to find an overtime every night, something that I can try to put my own spin on the hosting duties until the best host in the city returns. So as we round out the safeties here, this huge year, huge year for Sidney Brown.

And even though Drew McCuba was the second round pick, I mean, if you just look at it, he was the 64th overall pick, right? Sydney Brown, that was a year when there were fewer people. picks overall because of some suspensions or I'm sorry some penalties he was the 66th overall pick so he's the same spot exactly now

he's also year three so it's almost a sunk cost at this point but I always liked Sidney Brown's game I think Sidney Brown though if there's any time for him to show it it's going to be this year and he has an opportunity I didn't think the Eagles were going to take a safety in the second round I thought Sidney Brown was going to have a little

bit more of a clear path to that job but he can still win absolutely. It also, if I were him, it would worry me a little bit too that it wasn't a Jihad Campbell situation, right, where the best player and the consensus top talent just continued to drop for the reason the Campbell did, which was the injury. No, the Eagles like went out of their way to take Drew McCuba. So we'll see how that goes. I mean, some of that just boils down to the safety position, you know, beauties in the eye of the beholder there, right? Because you don't always know what everybody's position or what everybody's responsibility is on every single play how he

is on record talking about that but yeah a second round pick wouldn't feel great if i was sidney brown that the eagles went in that direction yeah and then as far as the other reserves i think eagles fans are eager to see uh lewis seen because of the draft pedigree former 32nd overall pick uh dealt with injury bount was on a practice squad in buffalo last year to eagles bring them in to the 53 man roster and they've carried him on the 53 for a reason in the playoffs. That was how they can get him onto the team. And so he's still, look, he's still young. He still has opportunity in front of him here.

I mean, Lewis seems 25 years old, right? He turns 26 in October. And so curious to see him, Tristan McComb, back for another year. He's pushing for a roster spot. He's not guaranteed to make the team. Andre Sam was someone behind the scenes, who I think impressed the Eagles last year, elevated a few times there.

So watch out for Andre Sam. This is always a position they can add. If you're looking for a veteran, Justin Simmons, continues to linger on the open market. The Eagles can see what they have here during these next few weeks. OTAs are next month. So they'll be on the grass, as the coaches like to say, and they'll have a better evaluation of the safeties then.

Well, Justin Simmons, I think he would definitely like to be part of the mix in Philadelphia. Yeah, he's openly campaigning for it. I mean, I would probably do the same thing, right? I mean, you float that out there, you get your name in there. You get a chance to go on Kay Adams' show talking about it. It's a good marketing tool on his end. Loves to play for Vic Fangio, too. Can't argue with that.

Any super chats we have here. Frank Barber asking about, okay. I'll take this one. Yeah. ZB. Question mark. More like Zaddy B with that 5 o'clock shadow. Yeah. I'm sorry you noticed, Frank, because I was, I was,

honestly, I was planning on shaving this morning. And we said, well, don't you keep it? And, uh, and I'm like,

I, it's unprofessional. And, um, but no, I, uh, so,

yeah, if the chat likes it, I'll keep it rolling here. Um, it's a 2 p.m. shadow. But yeah, I,

I did not shave this morning. I typically, uh, you know, she can't shave before every show. But look, I'm been, my off season started,

uh, yesterday. Okay? I mean, like that's, so the draft was the weekend. After the draft

is when my off season begins. Monday, I went to Washington to report. And then I got home at 1130. I wrote a story

for all pHly.com. I woke up yesterday morning. It was the first day of my off season. And so I have, I have a whole to do list for the next few weeks of things that I want to accomplish.

I want, I need to go back and, you know, watch some recent shows to find some things I want to improve on. I have some reading I want to do. I have a few features that are in the chamber. But honestly, shaving was not on the agenda this morning. It's not on the to-do-this. It actually was.

And then I'm always like, well, you don't need to shave. So I'm like, all right. So if the chat likes it, I will also say, this is the first time I'm wearing shorts in the office outside of training camp, right? So I did that because we're in Studio B. Not just Fran showing a little thigh. Yeah. So I knew it was waste up, but I'm trying to be a little more of the people here, of the people on the show. Before we wrap up here, because people are tuning in for overtime, a few more questions about Spain.

Okay. First off, in your in-flight entertainment, were you reading, were you watching something? How did you? What is it? eight hours over there, eight hours back, or nine hours back? Yeah. Is that right? Yeah.

I watched, so on the way over, watch a couple movies that I had not seen. I watched the, which movie? The new Saturday Night Live movie. Oh, is that good? Yeah, it's like chaotic, right? It's basically it takes place in the 90 minutes before the opening episode of, uh, of, uh, of SNL. And, you know, there's a Lauren Michael's character.

There's Chevy Chase and the whole cast, uh, as well, the people behind the scenes, pretty interesting. So that was... Fast-paced? Yeah. So that was a good one. And I also just watched the Dark Night for the 100th time, probably, because I saw that. They have a bunch of franchises on there.

So I watched that. And then on the way home... You like the bank scene at the beginning? Of course. Yes. Come on. Do you? Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, great bank scene. Great bank robbery scene. Do you watch it for the bank or the Joker, you know? No, it's just so well executed, right? It really is. Yeah. So yeah, that's what I watched on the way there.

And then on the way home, I was sitting next to my, my girlfriend for that leg. Yeah. No problem. And we watched only murders in the building, the four seasons. Like together? Yeah. How do you do that? Just had it on my phone.

Kind of put it. You put one AirPods in yours and one iPod? Really? Yeah. And had it. Is that tough? Get enough audio that way? Yeah, we got enough audio.

Okay. Yeah. You're right. It was a little bit hard, but we had fun watching. You know, it's, look, man, it's an eight-hour flight. You go phone instead of laptop? Yeah, I went phone for that one. Got on the Wi-Fi, yeah.

Okay. Interesting. Yeah, I probably would have gone a laptop, bigger screen. Did you bring a laptop with you? I did. Yeah. We just went phone. Yeah, it's a good point.

Yeah, no, we put it up. Only murders in the building. That's the Steve Martin. Steve Martin, Martin, Martin Short, who's hilarious and Selena Gomez. This season was, eh. Okay. This was the fourth season. the first season and the third season were my favorites.

But I enjoyed it. It's even though it's like a whodunit show, it's, it's mostly a comedy, I would say. Which you would like here, family. Yeah, I'll put that on the list. I started watching friends and neighbors. Is that what it's called on Apple TV? Your friends and neighbors, our friends and neighbors?

Yeah, with John Hand and, well, and Olivia Munn, among others. And so, yeah, good, it's pretty entertaining. We're four episodes in. I enjoyed it. I would recommend it. Sure to see where it goes. So, interesting factoid, not really that interesting, but my POV life asks, who did I sit by on the way over?

And it was funny. There were, I wanted, my girlfriend was sitting in the row in front of me, and we tried to sit together and we asked the two sets of people who were in those rows. And they both said no. and the funny part was the two guys that were sitting next to we actually went to the wedding that we were going to. Oh, really? Yeah. They were great guys.

Yeah. So, so when you sit next. I was not liking them on the way over, but they actually were great guys. So at what point that you rise they were in the wedding or they were going to the wedding, the whole way through? When we were there. So you're like, hey, I remember you weren't giving up your seat. Welcome dinner later that night. No, we didn't do that.

We didn't do that. Okay. So, you know, when my wife and I travel, we go aisle, aisle. See, I like that. Yeah. Yeah. But we don't watch the same things. So she watches.

Can't put the laptop in the middle of the aisle. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be something. Yeah. So she's more of like, she watches stuff on the plane. And I'd like to do work on the plane typically.

So like, you know, I'll safe writing to do. but for an international flight, you do have to watch movies or TV shows. Sure. It's a good call there. Okay. I think we gave you 10 minutes of free material here. Tomorrow, virtual, or I should say remote,

with Fran, we are going to be going over undrafted rookies. Okay. So Fran, if you're watching now, we're remote because of you. You don't need to come into the studio, okay? But eager, look, I say this in earnest, I'm not just pumping up my colleague. France breakdown on all phty.com right now of the undirected rookies is the best breakdown you will find anywhere. Absolutely anywhere.

You'll find it. And he watched the film on them. He discusses like the trait that makes them exciting to the team. And then he even goes far as to as to kind of rank like the ones most likely to make the roster. So we'll discuss that. I will also break down the types of undrafted rookies who make the Eagles. And so that will be that that will be tomorrow's show. Who have been the best undrafted free agents since you've covered the team?

Good question. So I mean, read blanket ships going into, you know, year four here. You start, you know, he's been a starter for the past two seasons going to year three as a starter. So that jumps out as one, bless you. Corey Clement. Yeah, that's the other one. the Eagles in receiving yards in the Super Bowl. So obviously that's one you have to look at.

So those are... Those would be the big two. Those are the ones I thought. Yeah, those are the big two that would jump to my mind as well. And then T.J. Edwards is a really productive linebacker. Big three. For the Eagles. So those three.

Then Fridays, the Eagles Rookies mini camp. I will be at NovaCare and I will either join Jamie or Rich will join Jamie. Depending on the timing of it. I'm going to nail that down tomorrow. And then next week we have some fun things ahead of us. And I also want to just put on everyone's schedule so you know the schedule release Wednesday, May 14th. The schedule is coming out. We have a special schedule release show.

And we'll have some fun activities in that show for everyone to participate in. So make sure you're watching that. Until then, well, really until tomorrow. Thank you, Rich. It's great to have you back stateside. Thank you, Julia, as always, who is really the key to this whole show. And thank you to everyone watching at home or in the car or while you're exercising. We will be back tomorrow.

Until then, Bob will say, as always, we love you. I will say we'll be better tomorrow. Thank you for watching.