PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Postgame: Awful Philly sports weekend extends as A.J. Brown, Eagles blow 14-point lead

Episode Date: October 5, 2025

A.J. Brown and DeVonta Smith both had their hands on the ball on the final play from scrimmage but it fell incomplete as Jalen Hurts and the Eagles blew a 17-3 point fourth-quarter lead to lose their first game of the 2025 season while Zack Baun and Quinyon Mitchell both made uncharacteristic mistakes late. Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf unpack it all with insight from Fran Duffy and EJ Smith at the LINC. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, live from the Xfinity Lounge and presented by Bet365. And actually, this is the P.H.L.Y. Eagles post-game show. And for the first time, in a very long time, we are talking about a loss as the Philadelphia Eagles blow a 17 to 3 lead and fall 21 to 17. We have a lot to talk about. We're going to hear from Fran Duffy. We're going to hear from E.J. Smith, who's going to talk to what I imagine is a bewildered locker room at the link. We're going to hear from you, the fans, and a terrible weekend in Philly Sports continues. Let's send it around the horn.

Jamie Lynch, Super Bowl champion, Vinnie Curry. Vinnie, what is your big takeaway from this blown lead loss? I'm pissed. I mean, we put the game in the rough hands. The refiated a terrible game. I'm straight, pissed. Jamie, how about you? Throw these refs in jail.

I mean, I hate to come on and immediately go to the refs, Because look, there was the Eagles offense after the Sequin touchdown. I think they did three, three and outs in a row. If I'm not mistaken, for negative yardage. So that's where the game was lost. And the Eagles do deserve some blame in this. But I thought the way that game was officiated down the stretch in the crucial nature of the plays. Like that's Sequin Barkley, a legal motion play.

Like, go to hell. Like, that had no effect on the play. It was a beautiful fade to Devante Smith. They come up with it. They robbed Devante. And it's a ticky tack, like just gross call. Because sometimes situationally, you just have to eat it. Right.

Like you can technically call a play, an illegal play on almost every play in the NFL. Sometimes when the game is on the line, to decide something on a tiki tack is just so lame. It's just such a bad taste in your mouth. I think the Eagles have themselves to blame for this game. Sure, absolutely. But if we're going to talk about the refs, what you want is consistency, right? And if that is a tickey tack call, you then should also make the tiki tack like the penalty,

the PI on Dallas guy on the second to last play of the game. That's a very obvious pass interference. Picking up that. Ridiculous. Intentional grounding, to me was insane. And they didn't even explain it. It was like they wanted to avoid getting booed to not announce it to the crowd. I think the,

I think the refs did not have a very good game, but the Eagles have themselves to blame for this. And I think what is interesting about the way that this game shaked out for the Eagles is it was very much, okay, this is how you wanted us to play, right? And look what happened, right? This Eagles offense, this was the most pass heavy they've been

since Sequin Barclay got here. And, you know, there were a lot of first down passes, a higher rate than they've ever had since Sequin Berkeley got here. Jalen Hertz attempts, 38 passes. Sequin Berkeley has six rushing attempts. Now, you know, a couple of them were called back for penalty, but that disparity is obviously wide.

And still, I think, out the offense looked good in this game. You know, Devante Smith, eight for 114, not even including the big fourth down catch that was called back. A.J. Brown, five for 43. And to me, Vinnie, like the poetry of the final play of the game

falling incomplete because Devante Smith and A.J. Brown are fighting over the ball and both have their hands on it is like a little bit too on the nose. Man, that last play was crazy. But then when, if you come back a couple of plays, I don't know if it was overthrown no AJ stops running.

He stopped running. That was the dagger. That would have been the dagger at the whole game. That was the momentum swing. Like, that was the game changer. And that's one where like, like I'm saying,

this is what you wanted, right? And, you know, if, if AJ has been mad at Jalen for some things that have gone on and ball's not coming his way, when you watch that one on film this week, Jalen is going to have a right to be mad at AJ. Like, you wanted the ball.

this would have been a touchdown if you didn't slow up. Yeah, you can't really go around bitching and moaning about not getting targets and then give up on a route. Like there was a clear stall in that route. And that ball's probably on the money to him if he finishes the route. AJ finishes five catches for 43 yards matched up with Patrick's Sertan all day, did draw a pass interference that set up a touchdown for him. So he was not ineffective in this game. And also the attention that he drew from Sartan meant that.

that Devante was able to have his biggest game. But, yeah, I mean, listen, you can't be blowing a 17-point, you know, a 14-point, fourth-quarter lead to bonus. The injury is on the officer line, heard us. Good point. You can't give up that many sacks like that in the game like this. Man, we just kept them in the game. We kept them around too long.

And when you keep a good football team in the game and around too long, this is the type of things that happen. You just can't do it. Yeah, Nick Benito with, I think, two and a half sacks on the day. I think this is the first time our offensive line is human in a long time. This season, not just today. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this season as a whole, I think we're just experiencing a very good offensive line,

maybe one that's beat up and not at 100%, but it's not like superhuman like we've been used to. And yet to me, and let us know what you say in the chat, who you think is to blame and what you think is to blame and make sure that you're subscribing to the channel and all of that good stuff. to me, I actually, I put this game more on the defense because this defense is supposed to be awesome and it really was awesome through three quarters. And the two touchdown drives they give up at the end, just like you want your superstars

to be able to be superstars on offense, listen, Quinion Mitchell and Zach Bonn have been awesome this season. They have been arguably the best players at their position. But in the fourth quarter, when this game was on the line, I mean, Zach Bonn makes an extremely uncharacteristic, bad decision to hit the runner after he's down. I know that that's a little ticky tack, but that was a, like, he did hit him. He couldn't do that. That was pathetic.

It was a bad decision on his part. And then Quignan, there's a third down with, he's matched up with Cortland Sutton. And he lost a couple matchups with Quentin with Cortland Sutton in this game. And that play in particular, I thought was, was disappointing. So listen, just like the offense should hold up there into the bargain, I'm disappointed in what we saw from the fourth quarter defense. Man, and they was on the field long. They were on the field that much.

They played well the first of course. Also, I know he's hurt, but where is Jalen Carter? Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pissed, bro. Then if the refs, the refs are going to be tick attacking, how many missed holding pillages did they miss out there? You know,

I just, sure. This is crazy. Yeah, that's Zach Bono. Like, I hear you. Dumb, but like he is, still let like no no no no he can't that's that's a penalty it is i know but it's so lame it's lame but it's dumb but he's still lounging forward trying to get an additional yard he no there's like there is a half second zach bonn is a superhero he sees things quickly he reacts super quickly he can do better than that that's that's just not going to sit well like in my mouth all week

like these those penalty i'm sorry i know i sound like a loser right now talking about the refs because the Eagles did control this and it was preventable. But like there was at least four to five different plays in that where the referees decided outcomes of the game. Right. I think we're both saying it just was no sense of urgency, you know, and it just, it was like, oh, we want to breeze do this because they were, they were up and they, they would, they see the Broncos score that fast and with the five or six minutes. That was crazy. I mean, Boonex had 87 pass. yards near the end of the third quarter. Oh my God.

And then just entirely changed. Crazy. And to your urgency point, Vinny, you know, Jalen Hertz was sacked how many times in this game? Five or six times. Yeah, two, three, four, five, yeah, five or six times in this game. And some, a lot of them came on third down. And I didn't think that though drive-ending ones were that bad.

Like, you know, like those happen sometimes. And we saw the Eagles drop back to pass on third and long more than they have. That fourth quarter sack, though, he hold on to the ball. But I'll tell you what, man, they're down four points. This is the chance to have, you know, the surprise come from behind a game-winning drive. They're at their own 25 with 106 left and no timeouts. And the first play of that drive, you're taking that sack. I thought Jalen was very good in this game.

And I almost totally flipped on that play. Like, you cannot take that sack. It is insane. And they were so lulley-gaggy. Then the next play is a little dump down to Sequin. I know they ended up almost scoring, but the first two plays of that drive were awful. Man, and what an opportunity to win.

Like you said, they pulled dollars down. If they call that call, we're right there, which that's the four-yard line. Yeah. You can't put the game in the ref's hands, bro. You can't. I just, just no way. I mean, they were so clearly the better team in this game.

Yeah, we have our instant reaction piece up. And on all p.hly.com, it's free for all, but you should become a diehard to get the great writing. that our staff does. But one of the points I made was just like, it felt like you were the better team, 95% of the game. And you just let it slip away.

It all happened so quick. Everything just started going wrong. It snowballed on them at Avalanche really quickly. Then watching it from a TV copy, listen, the NFL got to do better between Tom Brady and Tony Romo games. I'm like, damn. Because obviously you see that they don't like the Eagles,

bro. It's starting to get a little annoying. I don't disagree with you. I mean, Romo is maddening. There was the play in the first half where he's getting on jailing for not throwing that ball to Devonthe on the scramble drill. And he's like, well, he's about to pop open here. Meanwhile, they play the tape and like AJ's guy goes in the exact same area. Would have been a terrible decision, probably an interception.

No comment from him. Just, I mean, we can, we can have enough of Romo being lauded as, you know, he had one good year in his. Stop paying attention since then. All right, let's get to the Super Chats because I know that Philadelphia is feeling some kind of way right now. I don't know what the crowd is going to be like

at Citizens Bank. On edge. It's going to be on edge. But let's get to, Julia will be there. Let's get to the Super Chats here. Pat Fienis says, offensive issues are on Hertz today,

inaccurate, held the ball forever, and took bad sacks. I thought that Jillen was in control of what, you know, I haven't watched the tape yet, but what was there for him today. And when he was holding the ball, he was being protected well. I just, you know, those third down sacks,

I don't know if there were people for him to throw to. But that last possession did kind of drive me nuts. Yeah, I think like accuracy-wise today, I thought he was on point. You know, like that Devante ball was really nice. The one that was, the Jahan-Dotson ball was like beautiful. Yeah. The Devante deep ball was on the money.

Sequin touchdown. Yeah, the Sequan touchdown. I thought like throwing the ball he had a really good day. It just that one sack is going to kind of gnaw at you all week. Kenneth Bush says, is it just me or does the Sequin illegal shift not happen if they have better play clock management? Well, that's an interesting one

because they were to the line quite early on that play. And I think they did make a concerted effort in this game to get to the line earlier. I don't know if that's a teaching point. I don't know. It's not Sequin that they're calling it on. It's somebody, one of the other receivers, also shifting at the same time.

Yeah. I think it was Devante closest to the sideline on the TV. It looked like he just was getting set, moving his hands. I guess you can't move at all. And that is that is just brutal because what a play for what a Bonte. And you know, Devante, again, eight catches for 114 in this game. You bump that up. That would have been, you know, like nine for 140 or something like that.

He was awesome in this game. He was. Michael Nittickman says the missed defensive holding call on Goddard before the P.I. was at least as much jersey hold as was called on Q, not the only reason we lost, but frustrating. Yeah, I agree with him. Michael, I agree with you, but, you know, like you said, you're going to call TikiTack, call Tiki Tickett on both sides, man.

Now, for the record in this game, the Broncos called for 12 penalties that amounted to 12 yards, whereas the Eagles were called for 9 for 55. Well, those 9 for 55 were, like, all at crucial points in the game. Yes, and, you know, it's the one that was picked up, That hurts as well. That's ridiculous. How do you pick that up?

Pat Fenas checks in again. What you say? Pat Finas. There we go. Return game and underrated big problem. Bad field position drive after drive after drive. They did have the one long Shipley return. I'll tell you what was what also was a hidden bad play in this game.

That terrible short punt from Braden Mann, who has been so good this season. Before half? No, after the penalty on. after the illegal shift penalty. They have to punt on fourth and nine. Although I don't know if they had to punt. I think they could have still gone for it. My cousin texted me immediately.

He's like they still should have gone for that. I think there's a good case to be made for that. And then Braden Mann punts, they're still starting like after 30. It was an awful punt. Yeah. I think you started limping after that too. Did he?

I think so. Maybe he got to a fake limp after that. Oh, no. Ah, guys, sorry. I would do the same thing. Fresh Prince. The Zach. on penalty reminded me of the BG late hit

when Taylor Heineke slid behind the line so he wouldn't get sacked. Harvey was trying to extend. Yeah, I hated that one. Like, it's almost like a flop. Yeah, and like he got his shoulder down first. Like, it wasn't helmet to helmet, like,

I don't know what the hell you're supposed to do there. The guy's lunging forward. Still trying to get a yard. He also, he throws the shoulder a little bit. I mean, what he's doing is if Harvey is up, that's your chance get the ball loose. Sure.

Right? Like, that's what they're taught. That's how you create turnovers is when a guy is held up, then go for the ball, right, Vinnie. Right.

But I think he had enough time to see that he was down. I will see what if EJ gets a chance to talk to Zach Bonn. Knowing Zach Bonn, I think he's going to, I think he's going to take, you know, the credit for that himself.

I think he's going to say he needed to be smarter. Then it's what, a fourth and one and they're probably kicking the field goal there. Probably. Well, Peyton, might have rolled a race, but I think they're probably, kicking. Sean Payton did put him on the line a little bit with that two-point conversion

to the hell. Yeah. He slapped him down on the table and I mean, that's, I'll tip my cap to that. I like that strategy because there was, there was like the perfect amount of time left where it was going to mess up everybody's like, maybe it's kind of him like thinking I'm smarter than Nick Siriani. Yeah. I'm going to be able to adjust to this better than he is. Um, I thought that was a fine decision. Yeah. I mean, obviously worked out. I would have been nervous as hell. But once you get it, It's awesome. You love your coach when they do something like that. Another super chat from J.H says birds didn't deserve a win

and the refs insured it. Yeah, I kind of agree with that. Yeah, that's pretty good. Cash Squatch, no pass rush, Howie needs to make a move. We did get there. I would have to agree on that. Okay.

Nothing really popped out on the screen from the... You know, Trey Hendrickson? Are you buddies with them at all? Want to shoot him a text and tell him how great Philadelphia is? Maybe we should say him some cheese sticks. We got some beef sticks down here. We can send them a box. Yeah, I mean.

They do need some help. They need some help. Part of the issue is they're not getting what they were expecting to get inside. Now, Jordan Davis did not play. He was out a lot of the first. I don't know what the deal is with that. But Jalen Carter, now listen, the Broncos interior offensive line is very good. Quinn Miner is the right guard is an all-pro caliber player.

but through five games, Jalen Carter. I mean, he's clearly injured. And so it's not a blame on him necessarily, as much as it is the structure of the defensive line was built on the idea that Jalen Carter would be a game wrecker, and he hasn't been. And that has put everybody else in a tougher spot. Yeah, that's a fair statement.

I mean, I don't know if he's getting doubled at the rate he has been in the past or not, but he's certainly not impacting the game like we expected this year. he needs somebody else to step up on the line. He needs a robin. And we have yet to see a robin emerge yet consistently. Just two sacks in the game for the Eagles. They didn't, you know, Zadaria Smith had the first full sack for an edge rusher for the Eagles this entire season.

If the Eagles make a move here, Vinnie, like, is that somewhere where you think that somebody can make an impact right away? 100% I you know you have to like Jamie saying you have to see what Tray's up to if you like onions on the cheese steak and you got to make you got to make a move like that because at the end of the day you know you got to put some pressure off the interior guys and you got to be able to win your one-on-ones off the edge yeah I mean that's certainly an expensive move if you're going to make it but you'd be doing Trey Hendrickson a favor with the Joe Burrell's Bengals getting them out of there. Do you think, Bo?

I mean, you have good how he's playing sense. Howie's going to do something. He's going to do something. And that is certainly the most plug and play thing to do. You know, corners on the table as well. I'm about to say I want. And then I think like, you know, the do little salt around you know, you see Slay down there supporting his old team.

Yeah, how about that? If you haven't seen this, Dary Slay at the game today. He's there supporting and it's like, damn. Go ahead and suit up, man. Like Clark can't. You know, so. Yeah, I mean, he could have just thrown a jersey on. They wouldn't have known.

Yeah. New, it's Slay Darius from the practice squad. He got called up. Yeah. I mean, he could have, he probably could have gotten away. You know, Mac McQuillet. You just pretend that MacMac-McGilliam shaved his hair. Yeah.

Turned into Darius Lay. It's possible. Tim Burgoyne. What are the chances Petulow and Siriani learn the wrong lesson from this game and go back to a run-heavy offense? That's what I, that's, you know what? I feel that in my bones, Tim, is that this was like, okay, like this is, let's, let's pretend that there was a conversation this week

between Jeffrey Lurie and Nick Siriani being like, you need to pass the ball more. These are the guys we have, you know, figure out what this team is like. And so this is the game plan they put together. And listen, they moved the ball very well in this game. We saw the RPO's return, which made a huge impact in the Eagles efficiency on offense. They didn't run the ball very well. And so now, you know, you have, you have Nick coming back in this. in this fantasy being like, see?

I told you. Like we got to do the bog offense. That's the only thing that's going to work. I don't know. I would be a little bit worried about that too. Yeah, it's definitely been in the back of my head a little bit after this, taking this L. Fresh Prince.

Another thing when Shipley brought that last kickoff out of the end zone, we lost 10 yards of starting field position and five seconds off the clock. That's a great point. If they kick it into the end zone, I think you got to down that. I think you're probably right. Eddie Poe.

How much longer of a leash do we give Petulow? I didn't think Petulow. I know that I may not be popular for this opinion. I didn't think he called a bad game today. Yeah, I didn't have any like surface level things I disagreed with. I mean, I know that that in the fourth quarter, people will say you got to run the ball more when you have that lead. There were two times when he did run the ball and then they got a penalty.

So you're not going to run the ball in first and 15. And then it's hard to run the ball. You got backups in. Right. We haven't even, yeah, you're right. We've danced around it. We didn't say Landon Dickerson

left this game in the first quarter or second quarter and did not return. So Brett Tooth played the whole game at left guard. I didn't think he was terrible, but he did have a holding call that brought back a first down for the Eagles, I believe. He had a don't the RPO. Tyler Steen on the RPO.

Yeah, that's so. I guess that's impossible. for Tyler Steen to kind of know there that ends up being a running place. It's not impossible. That's coached. That like this happened all the time a couple years ago. Yeah. They're coached to not go all the way down if it's an RPO. Like that, that is a bad job by steam.

Okay. Turtle, which is another example of Romo not knowing what's going on. Turtle. The team has been unusually undisciplined all season and injured all season. Is this the Super Bowl hangover we've been worried about? I think the, the undisciplined thing is a good point here because they have had a lot of

uncharacteristic like really bad situational football awareness penalties I don't think that that's unfair no that's fine and I just think we talked about this a couple of weeks ago here with all the push push and everything is being

like under a microscope they're calling any and everything on us you know so we have to be a little bit smarter than that by the way it operates two games in a row now the eagles have not run a single touch push yeah our touch push counter is uh not getting any work yeah how about that that's that might be the upside of the year right there two games in a row without a touch push wow all right well with all of that uh it's time to take our first break to hear from some sponsors on the other side we will be joined by franz film room the duff man is going to break down some of the big things

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of independent stores across the country. Righteous felon, high protein, bold flavor. No BS. All right. Back on the PHOI Eagles post game show. I from the Xfinity Lounge, and we send it now to Fran Duffy, the All-City NFL draft analyst, our Eagles expert, and this, of course, is presented by our friends at Ashley, Fran's film room. It's time to open up this bad boy and bring in the Duffman. Fran, how are you? Good to see you. So, Frank. What's up, guys? Yeah, obviously, look, it's going to be a little bit of a different feel for this breakdown, but look, I mean, at the end of the day, you know, the Eagles have been living, in this world where they win all of these one score games. And if you are going to live in this

world where you are going to play close games, you can't shoot yourself in the foot the way that they did with these penalties and with these mistakes on both sides of the ball, offensively and defensively. They made too many mistakes to come away with the win here. Fran, I feel like somebody stole my dog. No ransom note either. And here's the big thing about that too, Vinnie, is that, you know how this goes. Like, you can't let Denver beat you twice. You have a short week turnaround getting ready for the Giants on Thursday night. This is one where like this is going to hurt.

I would imagine. So I would imagine those guys in the locker room right now don't feel too good, but they don't have a long time to let that sit. Yeah. I mean, it is kind of good news that they have to turn the page quickly and you get the Giants coming up on Thursday who lost in New Orleans to the Saints today. All right. Let's talk a little bit about some of these penalties and these mistakes, Fran.

And you do have some insight into what happened on that illegal shift. penalty that on fourth and four, which turned in, which was going to be just an unbelievable catch from Devante Smith. Unfortunately, they didn't have all their, you know, their eyes dotted and their T's crossed. No. And, you know, we've talked about some of the, the sloppiness on offense over the last couple of weeks when we've done our tape breakdown episodes on Mondays. And this is a good example of just not being as detail oriented as you need to be. And this time it came back to bite them. And I actually thought that Romo, you know, Now look, I'm with you that he did not have his best day, but he was on it for this one.

Because if you go and you go to the NFL rule book and you look at the illegal shift, look at the illegal shift rule and they've got videos with all these rules, one of the things that they show in the video is that if another wide receiver is adjusting pre-snap before a motion happens or before a shift happens, then it is incumbent on that second receiver. And he doesn't know, but he's got it, he has to come to a full stop for at least a full beat. before that ball is snapped. And we actually have the video of that play, just are the, I should say, the stills from that play.

So, Julia, if you're able to go to motion one here on this play, and again, Romo pointed this out before the snap of the ball, or right after the right before the snap of the ball, rather. Bottom of the screen, you can see that you've got Jahan Dots in there, and he's checking with the ref to make sure that he is, that he is on the line of scrimmage or, off the line of scrimmage. And before Seekoine Barkley comes in motion,

he steps up and adjust his stance. As soon as that happens, well, now Seekwon Barkley, he can't be in motion at the snap of the ball. So Sequan's going to come down to the bottom of the screen and then he's going to go back to the, you know, back into the backfield. And he's not in motion. So if we go to the

go to the next shot here, this is after he returns. You can see the ball is being snapped here from Cam Juergens and Seekwan is not set. And so this was a good penalty. This was a, was the right call by the officials here. And literally, if you go into the NFL, if you do a quick Google search of NFL,

a legal shift penalty, one of the clips they show is, yeah, like, this is a penalty. I believe it was Tyree Kill in the Dolphins game where they, they, he does a little return motion, goes into the slot. He doesn't sit after the receiver, had adjusted pre-snap.

It was the right call. So, friend, do you think, do you think it should, it is taught to Sequin that he needs to stop for a beat just in case somebody else has adjusted? Or do you think it's, because he can't know. He can't know. But you should protect against it anyway, right?

And that's the thing in terms of like, where were they in the play clock? That could be a Jalen Hertz and Cam Juergens thing, right? Because maybe the snap timing is off on this one. Right. And that's, it goes back to the, that one play that we watched of, I think it was the first run of the game last week. We did the, we did every single run last week against the bucks. And like the snap timing was off while in the. Calcutara motion, wherever he's coming back.

And now he's got to like completely take a detour into the backfield. You know, that could be on the snap operation. It could be on the quarterback. It could be on Sequin Barclay. Or it could just be like John Dotson line up right, right? And that's the tough part about us on the outside. And we'll see if we get any kind of explanation from that in the post game press conferences. I know we're not going to break down the stills of these.

But what did you think of the intentional grounding call being picked up and the Zach Bonn call and the Dallas got at no call on the second to last play. So the Dallas got a no call was brutal. That's a tight. And it's one of those like in that moment. Is the ref really going to throw the flag? But if you are throwing the flag earlier in the game, like you need, you kind of need to throw it. I thought it was very funny.

I mean, it's not funny for most of the people watching this, but I thought it was very funny that they did not announce that they picked up the flag on the intentional grounding. It's so funny. I agree with you. It very much seemed like they're avoiding getting boot off the field in this situation. I mean, you got to like take the music. That's unbelievable. to me like, yes, that one, that, it's brutal from that respect.

I could have gone either way on that one and they were split on the broadcast and I could see, you would see it either way. I felt like it was grounding, you know, at first blush, but, you know, what are you going to do? I get, and that's the like, that's the thing with officiating, man, and like, you know, you're going to get some games where it goes your way. You're going to get some games where it doesn't. And this one, clearly there were a handful that did not go the Eagles way.

I did think that the Zach Bond penalty. That was a penalty. Like, you know, he's down the ground. Bon came in late. As soon as it happened, I was like, oh, like, I'm going to flag him.

And of course, they ended up throwing it late. Yeah, I'm with you. I just, I just hate, I hated that one so much, Fran.

Because like he's still lunging forward. I know by definition, it's a penalty, but it's so freaking lame. Yeah. I mean, it's just one of those where, like,

you know, as a defensive player, you know, and Vinny, like, you know, you know, it's like, in the heat of the moment,

like, you're just trying to go and make a stop. You're trying to bring up fourth down. Yeah. It was a split second too late. All right. Let's get to something that happened on defense in this game, which is it felt like when the Broncos offense did start to get going in the fourth quarter, some of that was attacking

Keeley Ringo, especially on the two-point conversion play, which gave them what turned out to be the game winning score. Let's break that play down, Fran. Yeah. So they come out and basically if we go to the first shot here, Julia, it's 2.2.1. So basically they come out, and obviously it's a two-point play. So you got the ball down on the two-yard line, and it's going to be off-play action. And play action is like a long developing play, so kind of gutsy to call it here in this situation.

And, you know, two-point sit and two-point play, it could be fast moving. You want to get the ball out of the quarterback's hands fast, but this is going to be a quick route, a quick throw here from Bo Nix. But when you have the receiver from a tight split, if you are Keelie Ringo in this play, the receiver does have a two-way go. He takes that first step out of his stance as if he's going to run a crossing route, the field. And Troy Franklin, that's one of the things he does best is he's going to run those crossing routes from left to right as a horizontal stretch player. And so Keeley is going to play

outside leverage and he's going to try and stay on his back hip. But then if you go to the next shot here, really like one step puts his foot in the ground and breaks opposite. And it's a very untraditional route. It's not one that you see often. I would say like if I was watching one-on-ones during training camp or down at the senior bowl and a receiver ran this route, I would say, yeah, but like you don't run that in the game. Like you never, you never see this route. It was a nice route, a nice call against a bigger corner that isn't as like quick in transition as Quinion Mitchell or as Cooper de Jean. Like that one of the weaknesses from a physical standpoint for Keely Ringo is that he's not as as smooth in transition laterally as, you know, a smaller corner would be, right?

But he so that he loses leverage here and Franklin's able to get to the pylon and you go to the last shot and Keyley's out leverage. and he loses here on this play. It was a great play call, great route. It was that to me, that's a tip of the cat play to the defense or to the offense. Yeah, that's tough. I mean, you could, I think you could tell part of the reason Peyton went for that is because he had a play in mind. Yeah.

Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. He had that. He was like, yeah, this will be good to run here. This is going to work. Hey, friend, you think bad timing? Like, they picked on ringgo that second half and then Slays at the game, watch it. I'm like, oh, you could come on.

Well, and honestly, like, because you look over at Quinyon Mitchell, too, and you say that he, look, and all of those back shoulder throws, like that was, that was great coverage from Quinyon. He's just losing in the low post, right? Like sometimes the other guy is just bigger. And I think that that showed up here with Cortland Sutton. Quinyon played a good game. He was not as productive as he was last week against Igbuka, but he just lost in the

low post three or four times on quick back shoulder throws in rhythm from Bo Nix. And that was one of the big differences in the game because it happened on a number of key situations. Right. I thought Q for his assholes, you know. Yeah. But the last drive, especially with that two-based conversion, they picked on Ringo three times in that drive. Yeah, I would imagine that offensive quarterback,

especially like we talked about this last week when Tampa, they just kept targeting Quinion Mitchell and kept targeting Cooper to Jean. And it's like, I don't say coaching malpractice. is probably a little severe, but you, I don't know, you probably want to go at like the other side of the field. And I think Sean Payton probably took that one. As I noticed, like, all right, that's something. Let's, let's avoid doing that whenever we can. Fran, now, I know tomorrow, you may or may not get into this further, but what was your gut reaction on the AJ Brown deep ball route stop? It looked like if he had kind of finished that route 100%, Jalen might have been

right on the money. We might be talking about a W right now. What was your initial reaction to that? Yeah, that looked to me as if AJ didn't think he was going to be getting the ball in that spot and he slowed up and all it took was that one little hesitation and all of a sudden it's a it's an overthrow. That's what it looked like on first blush. I'll go back to the film and see because we only got that one shot of it.

And I was trying to find a good, a better one on replay or on social. I couldn't find a good one there. But I think when, you know, when they go back and rewatch that, that will be one of the like what if plays from this game. And honestly, I was I was looking at some next gen numbers, guys. Well, I was waiting to come on. And you might be surprised by this one. Jalen Hertz in this game, hold on.

Let me pull this up. Jalen hurts in this game. He threw the second most deep balls that he's ever thrown. He had nine deep passes of 20 plus air yards in week 10. Second most of his career. He completed two for 99 yards and a touchdown. It's obviously a huge shift from. what we had seen throughout the most of the season.

This was a big, aired-out game against an aggressive defense with a good secondary. They were only able to hit on a couple of those. Now, some of that is informed by the fact that, like, what, four of them happened in the, in the final two-minute drive. But even still, I mean, it was a, it seemed to be a point, point of emphasis here for the Eagles and for Jayland Hertz in this one is we are going to be aggressive down the field. That's bad optics for AJ. Well, what I like, it is, I mean, it's terrible optics for AJ.

After this week, like, they're going to put that, they're going to put that play up. in front of the team. And it's going to be like, what the hell, man? Like, this is what you wanted. He was open. You got to run. And here's the thing, right? Is like, if last week is squashed, if last week, if we're all better, then all right,

hey, like, we're moving on. Right. But if that, if it wasn't all squash and it was still like, that stuff is still lingering, then, you know, how much back and forth is there, you know, and that's, obviously, we don't know that being on the outside. Well, it's interesting you bring up all the downfield passes because this did really feel like they called the game that they think that like Jeffrey Lurie wanted to see to some degree or something like that, right? The game that everybody's been asking for. They aired the ball out, downfield.

The RPO's were back. We're going to talk about that in a minute. It was much more pass heavy. I have the numbers here courtesy of true media. this was the highest percentage of designed dropbacks for the Eagles offense since AJ Brown came to the team in 2022. It's also the highest percentage of passes they've had on first down in that time frame as well. 80% pass on first down, which is kind of wild given what we've seen from this team, especially since Sequin got here. What did you make of the general plan of attack today?

And was it in any way a function of what the Broncos defense was showing? probably a part of that as well, one designed running play in the second half of the game. Like crazy. Now one is called back for penalty, but yeah. Yeah, right. But also, like, it's not like they were running it well. You know, they had that one, they had the one 17 yarder in the first half on like that

stretch toss play to the left. I was actually set to break that one down for the show until the game tilted late in the fourth quarter. But I think when you're looking at this run, this offense and this run game, last week, we talked about, you know, maybe they need some kind of. philosophical shift, clearly they felt like that was necessary because they pivoted in such an extreme way here for this game. I do think that you get into the conversation of, all right, well, those RPO's, like, they could have very easily been handoffs to Sequan Barclay. So, you know,

and not even just the ones that came back on penalty, but, you know, a couple of those little bubbles to Dallas, or to Devante Smith, a couple of the slide routes to Dallas got it. I mean, they ran out of the very first play of the game. We just, we hadn't seen any RPO's really like most of, most of the season. And then they came out and they just spammed it in a couple of different ways here in this one against Denver. All right. Why don't you break down the Dallas gotter touchdown for the Eagles? Yeah. I mean, this was this was like vintage 2021 Philadelphia Eagles. Vintage 2022 Philadelphia Eagles when you look at what they were able to do with Jalen Hertz and with Dallas Goddard over the course of this over the course of their careers together early on. Let's go to the

first one. Julia, it's got a Goddard TD one. And here on this play, you're going to see the mesh point here where, you know, all right, Jaylen Hertz is going to read the end man in the line of of scrimmage, or he's going to read the second level of the defense as well. How are they playing this here? If you go to the next shot, Julia, you're going to see Devante Smith work towards the middle of the field, and he's basically going to set the rub, set the pick for Dallas Goddard. He can't contact this defender, but he is entitled to run his route. So as long as he doesn't contact that number two defender, then he's going to be clean here on this play. Dallas Goddard, if we go to the next shot, Dallas Goddard is going to release to the flat. And so,

now you're probably going to get a pass off between those two defenders, but Dallas God has got to have that ability with the head of steam. He's got to cross that defender's face. If you go to the next shot, Julia, you'll see that Dallas is able to win outside. Jalen rolls out. Nice, easy pitch and catch for touchdown. Again, I mean, they, they ran this four or five times a game back in 2021, you know, and back in 2022. This was one of their bread and butter plays, and they were able to hit here for touchdown. They had all kinds of like concepts off of this play. Is this a sign for the future? maybe we'll see here in the coming weeks. All right, friend.

Any final thoughts or anything that we haven't asked you about that you want to get off your chest? Yeah, I mean, look, defensively, you know, it was it was not the, it was not the cleanest effort in the second half. You know, and look, a lot of this has to do with some of those key penalties, right? I mean, you have those key penalties, whether it's the picked up intentional grounding, the Zach Bond personal foul, you know, those are tough to come by. Then the offense is going to make some plays. this is a good team. You know, this is, when you're talking about the Denver Broncos, we talked about that this week where, you know,

they can beat you in a couple different ways. There are two losses this year. Like, yeah, I know that they didn't, it wasn't like a, you know, a sterling schedule in terms of like the opponents that they played over the first four games, but their two losses came in the last second of games. So I think when you're looking at this team,

it's a good team. You can't afford to make the mistakes that this team made on both sides of the ball. All right. That is Fran's film room presented by Ashley Fran. We'll talk to you on Wednesday this week. looking forward to it. Thank you so much.

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All right, back on the PHLY Eagles post game show presented by Bet365 and Ashley live from the Xfinity Lounge. Let's check out some of the super chats that are rolling in as everybody's just revved up. about this loss. Brandon Martin, we need to be more skibbity. For real, for real. On more Giat. Hell yeah, Brandon Martin.

I am not cool enough to know what's going on. For real for real. You got any? Oh my God. Yeah. Skeet, skeet? I don't know what he's saying.

He also says, we need to sign Cadarius Tony or Cam Sims ASAP. Well, what's interesting is they have a guy who they claimed off waivers, Xavier Gibson, who's supposed to be kickoff return and return

specialists and he's just loitering on the inactive it does feel like the Eagles let them play, I don't know return game is being like targeted meanwhile they trade two picks for tank Bigsby because they say he's the best kickoff returner in the NFL

yeah okay how's your dog Vinny hopefully that a ransom note comes in I'm telling you, man. It's just, you know what it is? And the chat can vouch for this. It's been a long time.

So it's the first time. I tweeted it out. I mean, it has literally been a calendar year, 371 days. Since they lost a game that Gilahertz started and finished. 371 days. And then we had an opportunity to win and the ref for that game to be going flag for flag for flag. And the time that we needed to flag you then pull the flag, bro. Come on.

Yeah, that's pretty wild. That's a right. Start. seriously. That's how why you start. I'm just saying. I don't know. Polar Jam.

With the Super Chat also says Tank Biggsby Trade continues to pay dividends for the Jaguars. Tough. All right. It's time for our righteous felon. Beef of the week. Now, righteous felon,

the beef of the week is like their employee of the week. But here, we let Vinnie Curry decide which lineman gets the beef of the weekend this week. We're gonna do it in conjunction with a little, uh, righteous felon.

A little beef in a week. Boxing, a little OG Hickory. Oh, yeah. Snap into a meat stick. There we go. Skyler. It is, I can't, I mean, my daughter's watching and she was very excited

that they got the, uh, the meat stick shout out there. It is so much higher quality. than what you think of. Let me see. I mean, you can tell it's higher quality. The snap is like it doesn't taste fake.

Oh, fantastic. All right. What are you giving it to, Vinny? I'm going to go with Zerreouye Smith. First sack. Listen, first sack,

got us in the, got us in the sock, a whole sack column. Yep. And that was a cool game that they ran. Um, Mm-hmm. like you know

the stunt that they ran it was perfect on both sides he got there any any shows from juice I liked it so you are my pick for beef for the week

and and appropriate that the OG Hickory goes to the OG I was gonna say on the defensive line Zedarius Smith yeah and OJlari you know got in the mix a little bit too

yeah he's alive turns out he's on the team um Yeah. Lane got to play and finish the game for the first time in three weeks. That was nice. Yeah, the offensive line,

maybe they need some more righteous fellow. I don't know. It feels like... Yeah, but what I think with them injuries, I wish I wish I could have seen a little bit more chips, you know, because Denver Broncos got one of the best

defensive lines and football. Yeah, yeah. I think that's totally fair. Julia, do we have the Zach Bond video that we can play? Any minute. Handsome Rich in the locker room. And some rich.

making it happen. And the locker, what's that? Yeah, congratulations, is Daria Smith for the beef of the week. And Rich also got

the highest son of his career. Video of AJ talking about stopping his route running too. Right, well. Rich has got good positioning this week in the locker room. He must be elbowing.

The man is coming to play. At least somebody in Philadelphia is playing this weekend. Thank you, Hansa. Yeah, this is a pretty bad weekend. I mean,

the chance to go 0 for 3 in three days. Oof. I mean, the support, the supporter shield for the, the union.

Yeah, you're right. Here comes the parade. Hang the banner. No offense. All right, we're going to play it. We haven't listened to the audio yet. So, you know. I don't think Richard's sending anything inappropriate.

Short yard situation. He was fighting for Xviors and we're talking to cap off on those type of situations. I think he was down. One rough through the flag. It was objective. kind of thing. Exactly.

The Broncos. Subjective. So you didn't agree with it. Yeah, he didn't. I thought it could have gone either way. The Broncos came born back in that second half 15 on the incident. You put your finger on why that offense was able to be so efficient

in the second half against your defense? Um, honestly, you really have to watch the phone to see where they were attacking us. Just from just leaving the field, I think they found one-on-one opportunities and they were able to run the ball. It was a fourth quarter obviously that, that flag, saying that there, drive, you had two flags on offense that took first downs off. How do you think the penalties affected the end for it? Yeah, a lot of the penalties were honestly just dumb mistakes by us.

We can't be making those silly mistakes. And unfortunately that I made one of them and then on offense there were a few too. So we just got to not make those mistakes. As a captain and just as an organization team that prize itself on being disciplined, a lot of those, like we said, those mistakes were self-inflicted, just how frustrating is that to kind of swallow, knowing a lot of that stuff was on you guys? It's frustrating, but it's also something that we can fix.

It's a mentality of focusing on the small details. Obviously, I think that's the bright side of it that we're able to fix them. Were you surprised when they decided to go for two? when they scored that time touchdown? That's kind of Sean Payton's thing. He's aggressive and we knew that coming in. You guys haven't lost circulation since September of last year, just this feeling of unconventional after this really long

when the street you guys had. Yeah, it's tough. Obviously, when you lose games, especially at home, it really hurts, especially games that you feel like you should have won. But back to the drawing board. We know we've got to get rid of those penalties. late in the game and I'm just continuing our process. And the message to all of us really the past,

it seems like three weeks is yes, his team is undefeated, going in this game for a no, but you guys kept preaching greatness to us. It's going to sound like a way to ask us, but did you almost see this coming that if you didn't fix the mistakes, a loss was on the horizon? Yeah, I mean, if you make mistakes

and you habitually are making mistakes, then they're going to come back to bite you in the butt. And if we don't get those corrected, it's going to hurt us. and hit today with a quick turnaround this week. All right. He didn't really fall on the sword. No, no.

He's with me. He thought it was lame. And more to the point, he said that's what they're taught to do. Yeah. Which is what I said. If he's fighting for extra yard, that's when you go for the ball. I just, I mean, he mistimed it by like a half a second. But it's, like, it's bang, bang.

Like, I don't think you can expect athletes to be, like, superhuman in that moment. Vinny, you've been in this situation. I've been in that situation. Yeah. And when we played the L.A. Chargers. I've been in that situation. Explain. Before they got the new stadium was kind of dark.

Yep. Yeah, and I've been in that situation, and I've been in a situation, and I call it a court, but on the phone, trying to plead my case. Okay. Well, I won. Did you?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, it was the shadows, and they had dark pants on. And then like he still was up. Oh. I punched the ball out. And you got flagged. Oh, yeah.

And then you got fined, but you got, then you won the fine? It was nasty. Okay. Well, how much? If you won, you mean, you didn't have. Like $25,000 or something like that, like $23,000. I'm like, damn. Yeah.

But I want to know. Shout out to the TV. I mean, how hard is that to pull yourself up in a situation like that? Yeah. Like, when you're running full speed, sub hard? Yeah, like it's impossible. You know, who was the guy, Travis, Benjamin? That sounds right.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that. And you know, he was a little dude. Yeah. So it was like, damn. So when it happened, he sold it perfectly. I was like, oh, you got to be kidding me. Yeah.

I don't know. Listen, it's bang, bang. I just, it's not like he, it's not like, you know, those ones where the quarterback like slides into the strike zone or something. like that. I mean, he does, he lowers to go down. It's like it's an extra emphasis from him. Was it mims? Whoever it was. Yeah. By the way, great tackle by McCuba in the open field. That was a huge play. I mean, he was, he was lunging for an extra yard. Like, it was RJ Harvey, I believe. It was hard to. Yeah. Maybe because the form was out. Yeah. I think that's part of it. And then nowadays, you know, there's everything above the neck. Yeah. Yeah. So lame. Yeah.

That's tough. All right. Well, speaking of guys answering. for you know something they did in the game i think handsome rich also has video for us of see a j uh creeping in the background yeah it was nice to see e j brown i believe in the beginning of this interview discussing why he he stopped running full speed on that play downfield it's uh a j on that um miss pass down the middle from jones what what happened on that play uh from my point of view he just missed it looked like you slowed it up on the play to You do not think the ball was coming your way or what happened with that? I didn't think the ball was coming.

When I looked up, I didn't see the bar. I moved back, I didn't see the ball. And then the ball was drawn. So like I said, we're just going to be nice. Did you guys talk after the play about maybe miscommunication what happened? In a game like this that is that close, is that one of those plays that you'll kind of think about from this one?

Yeah, because it's a big play, but there's so much more that you can. to look at and determine what we didn't do well that so why do you think you guys gave up a 17 free leave to came to four four oh no man that's a crazy question you ram we started out really good that's a crazy question just I'm finished in the second half but just the inconsistency showed up again I think all losses are frustrating, but the ones where it feels like you guys shot yourself in a full lot and almost beat yourselves. We give them credit, but obviously things you could have done differently. How much more frustrating are those ones?

Yeah, it's frustrating because most of the things were except for it did. And the dude I say that's on the second half. There were deep shots in this game that you guys would take. And why do you feel like those were there in this game? Why? In terms of Denver was doing what you guys. we think? Oh, that was playing man-to-man. There was something.

Yeah. But one and then gave it two. Devon Tevante said a few times about not being on the same page. Did you see that in this game? I don't know. That's something from those two. I mean, he said that he probably thought that. You didn't feel that that was an issue?

I think he probably talking about like a signal one or two plays or something. Not, not. The beginning of the game, the passing game was clicking. Do you feel like you took steps in the right direction, maybe in stuff that had been hurting you early in the season to have that success early? Or, I mean, obviously we can learn from what we did well, you know, kind of what I just said, the inconsistency showed up again.

And, you know, we all played for a court. And we can't read. We have to, you know, stop putting a lot of pressure on our defense because they're playing really good. But we just got to pull our full lines. That time we did. And, you know, and then in second half, we just started out. There's a lot of things to work on between you. How frustrating is that?

I mean, it seems like every game you guys go through like a dry spell, you know, in the passing game. I mean, are you seeing, like, what are you seeing in those situations? I want to give you my frustration. But it's just something to work on, something to continue to hop it on and continue to have a sense of urgency with getting better in this area. So we can improve and, you know, get this thing wrong. You guys had success going up tempo in this one, and it seems like maybe the penalties and said kind of kept you from doing it. Is that part of the plan and part of the problem?

Penalities or temporary or not being able to get through the company. Very funny. I mean, that is a crazy question to ask the wide receiver. Yeah. Now, he's also not really taking accountability for slowing up on that route. No, no, he's not. Nine times a 10, you probably thought that ball was going. right

to somebody else but one time out of ten to touchdown yeah yeah that's a tough one that's a tough look after this week

I'm surprised it wasn't it didn't sound like he was asked about the final play which is interesting to me I mean they

literally both both guys have their hands on the ball with a chance to win the game and they're fighting over it I mean I assume that's just

that's just their hell-mary protocol but yeah you usually want to stack how close did you did you think you were you know

yeah Yeah, that's tough because I did think in real time, I thought Devante had it for a second and the Bronco got their hand in, but it might have been AJ and his right hands. Yeah, I'm surprised they sent them to the same place. Yeah, you know what I mean? You want to stack them a little bit, right? I would put, you know, you'd put AJ in one corner and Devante and the other. I have a, because it's only 30 something yard. So it's not like the ball's going to be in the air forever.

It's not like the whole defense can rally to the ball. I would think you would spread them out and say, okay, Devante's better at going up to. get the ball, let's give it to Devante. Or vice versa. I don't know. Or call a real play. But I mean, Tony Romo said it. They practiced that 30 yard and in play all the time in practice.

Yeah, Romo. Romo will be at the day practice. No, I'm just can't. Yeah, yeah. Sling it back. Just being funny, man. It just seemed like anything we did, Romo had something to say. Yeah.

Well, Jamie, you're going to like this. We have a tweet up from Chris Franklin. Shout out to Chris. Great guy, NJ Advanced Media. The Eagles have now lost the last three games officiated by a crew led by Adrian Hill. The commander's game last year, the team's wild card game lost to Tampa in the 23-24 season,

and today says the Eagles blew that game with pre-snap penalties, offensive issues, and other things. That's all I needed. Certainly not why they lost that Bucks wild card game, but yeah. Now they didn't call. If you think back to the commander's game, they didn't call the roughing on Jalen when he got injured.

Maybe, maybe, maybe the chat and the tweet found my dog. Maybe Adrian Hill got my tall. Damn. Did you have refs he didn't like, Vinny? Oh, no, no, no. Somebody came to mind for you. Yeah, listen, I don't know you remember in green, baby. You're not going to get a fine for this.

Yes. I do remember that. Oh, man. You know, man, sometimes the refs need a hug. Oh, man. Sometimes the refs need a hug, man. All right. So say the locker rooms, like,

they're all kind of feeling a little pissy about the refs this week. You can tell us the truth. You guys talk about that stuff, right? Got to kill the Giants, man. Winning cares everything. Yeah. But there's some sour taste in the locker.

Oh, for sure. The way they lost. Yeah. If you call that, Listen, if you come, if you, listen to the reps, if you, if the rep called that penalty of Dallas getting tackle, you have to three or four yard line, we punched it in. Mm-hmm. We punched it in with, uh, Bo's favorite play.

Mm. Just saying. I don't know. They would have been too far for the tush push, I think. They would have been at like the three roughly. And they probably would have had time for two plays. Uh, because there was, it was what, like seven seconds left? Yeah, I want to say that.

Goodell script went a little too far. far today. There was just too many timely penalties. Rod went crazy on this one. Dom with the super chat. Not that Dom. It says Denver 12 penalties for 120 yards, Philly five penalties for 45 yards. Yeah, there's some Broncos fans in the chat here. Enjoy it. Hang the banner. Thanks for watching the show. I already mentioned that. And we're getting it in our all city slack. And I said, it honestly feels pretty good. You know, you weren't going to win every game. Oh, it's cute for them. Yeah, hang the banner. I got to win for you.

Your shine from us. Yeah. How adorable. I just sent back the Super Bowl banner. I don't know. I didn't even need to say anything. Okay. I mean,

I'm still the best quarterback in Philadelphia named Bo. That's the truth. Vinny, what do you think? What do you think the locker room's going to be like? I don't think the locker room is pissed, but you got to have a short-term memory right now.

You know, you got a division of, opponent, you know, on Thursday. So, listen, let it throw out, let it hurt to about 10.30 to night, wake up tomorrow, get ready for the Giants. How much is the short week on your mind right after a game like this? Oh, we own it. Heavy.

Yeah, heavy. Heavy. They got to make a statement when now, especially, you know, against the Giants. Let's see, you know, you go on there and you make a statement and they do what we do. We all, we come back to the show. we all happy, everybody's happy. The Super Chat is going crazy. Is there part of you as a player that likes the short week to get that 10-day kind of,

you know, as they call it, a mini-buy type of thing? Like, all right, this is going to suck for the next 48 hours, but we do have 10 days off after that. I think how talented the Eagles are, I think is going to help them figure a couple of things out. I think, you know, find some type of happy medium or type of balance and, you know, starring and featuring all these players, you know, so everybody's happy and everybody's eating, you know.

They said one thing today that, listen, somebody like Jalen Hertz has never had the same play caller. Correct. Whole career, that's pretty tough. It's wild. Yeah. I still, I'm not putting this game on Petulow. No.

I know that people are coming after him, but. I'm surprised by that reaction from people. I mean, it was a lot of first-down passes, the most they've ever had since, since AJ Brown's been here, as we talked about. And I didn't think all of those plays were great, but a lot of them were successful. Yeah.

And listen, we've been dying for them to throw the ball on third and long. And the deal with that is sometimes it takes sacks, which they did. And sometimes you get a 52-yard completion to Devante Smith that sets up a touchdown, right? I'll take one for four if that's the deal. Yeah, it did seem like that play to Devante

kind of like reestablish the offense being back in a way. And then it just kind of fizzled again in the third quarter into the fourth. It's just, they were so close to getting four quarters altogether. I know. Vinny, how do you feel about the concept of a good loss? Like maybe this loss will turn out to be good for us. We'll, like, you know, get us to reevaluate some things. Do you think that is a...

When you look at it, what are you reevaluating, you know, you don't shoot yourself in the foot, you win this football game. Yeah. I just think there have a lot of the only thing you can be evaluated is like well, put you on, say, play more discipline. I thought, you know, maybe a little bit more since the urgency in the second half.

The first half, they was fired up. Second half, it didn't look too much from where we were watching the game at. That's tough. I don't know. I mean, I think part of the reason it's good with they have a short week is that if there is some drama in the locker room,

there's not time to let it fester this week? Like they got to just get back to work right away? What is the, give us the beats of a short week for a player? Oh man, tomorrow come in, practice, probably a walkthrough. The first meeting, you probably watch maybe a couple clips of this game. then you go right into the to Giants game planning and then Tuesday a nice another nice another walk through Wednesday

you're out of here it is a quick week geez like that's gonna be here before we know it already yeah and you get Jackson dart and you play a bow and a Jackson dart how about that too smart me a young white guys yeah It just sucks, man.

I told you, it feels like somebody lost your dog. You can just feel the, if we're feeling like this, imagine how that stadium felt real. They're angry. I'll say that much. Yeah, that's, you let that one get away. Like, you had it. You had it.

Kind of easily. Some more Super Jets to get to. Cash Squatch. Turkey's on Dallas, winning the NFC East. Their offense is on fire. They put up 37 on the Jets today. They're now two, two, and one. Ooh.

You're not worried. No. No. Wow. Absolute no cell. Are you? From the panel. I don't think they're going to win the division.

How many turkeys are you putting on it? How many turkeys were I put on it? 23 turkeys. Oh. Fresh prints. What about the Dijin Stripsack that they overturned? Good question. Oh, I forgot about that.

So many inflection points this game. I don't want to blame the refs, but I hate that. them. I think that's, I think that is the perfect way to think about it. Don't blame the reps, but hate them. Yeah. That's lovely. That's, I think that's great. That's refreshing. I do think his arm was slightly. I know that was, and what a play from Cooper DeGine too. What a play. I saw attacking the arm like an edge rush. I think he was blitzing from the slot there on that play. Really impressive, but yeah, I do think his arm was just coming forward. I think so too. I mean, like, it was close. In infinitesimally, but yes.

It was real close. But that one, that wasn't, I, there was plenty of other plays from the ref that I was pissed about. Yeah. So that one I could tolerate. And a super chat from Michael Nittickman. Just giving us a little bit of a. Go birds. Of a nice, you know, kumbaya go birds.

Yeah. And they are four in one. You're allowed to lose one game a year. You're not going to win every game. Starts and finishes. Yeah. Meanwhile, I thought he made a great throw on the touchdown pass to Sequin. Markley, which shout out to me to Kimes for calling that out that the running backs against

his Broncos defense were a way to attack. It was a nicely designed thing. Yeah, very nice play. Was that? That wasn't a first down play, was it? Ooh, it might have been. It was first or second down. Let me look it up.

Yeah, that was a really nice play. Shout out to Mina for calling that one, saying attack the linebackers through the passing game. Second and four. And on a former eagle. The former eagle, Alex Singleton. Yeah. I was you my man, but you didn't stand the chance. That's a tough assignment.

We finally got a Seguan. Yeah, I ain't go along. You better than me. I would have got a defense of passenger affairs. I would have tripped you more. Live to find another day. Red card. Yeah.

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a lot of others. Head to brandedbills.com and use code BBPHLY for 15% off your first order. All right. Back on PHLY Eagles post game show. Let me get the snap counts for you guys. Jordan Davis, I'm interested in. And Sequin Barclay, I'm relatively interested in too. Okay, give me one minute here.

Those are the two that jump out. True media, hooking us up here. I believe, Bo, six carries for Sequin and zero logged rushes for Hertz. I just saw somebody in the chat talking about. That's a first. That's correct. No, two rushes for three yards. Remember we had one scramble early on.

I don't know, but I don't think any design. I don't think any designed for Jalen Hertz in this game is probably what they're referring to. Yes. All right. Your defensive snap counts. 70 snaps for the defense.

Once again, according to true media, all 70 for Zach Bonn, Reed Blankenship, Cooper de Gene, Quinion Mitchell, and Andrew McCuba. So he remains the full-time

second safety. No rotating with Sidney Brown with base. Jahad Campbell plays 67 of the 70 snaps. Jalen Carter, 63 of the 70 snaps. That's a, That's a quiet 63 snaps from Jalen Carter.

Yeah, wow. 63. 63. That's literally 90% of the snaps. And he jumped on that one. That's probably his biggest play from the game. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure he had impacts other ways I miss.

Keelearinga with 58, Jalix Hunt 41, Jordan Davis 40. So Jordan Davis played a good amount of snaps in this game. Morrow Ojimo, 35. Azizzo Jalari, 33 snaps. it's a lot of snaps. That's one more than Zadaria Smith, 27 for Josh Ushay,

15 for Byron Young, seven for Patrick Johnson, one for Dori Jackson, and one for Ty Robinson. Vinny, when it's a guy like that that hasn't contributed and even been active all year

in Ojolari, and then he comes into the game and he out snaps Anucci who's played all four weeks. He's out snapped Zadaria Smith who's been out snapping him. Is that, do you think, coaching particular to the matchup,

or is that? It could have been because of the rotation the way it is That's one of those just like hey come get me or you know what I mean So if not have happened more than next game Yeah then I'd probably be like oh what's going on over there But right now it could be like a player a player thing So it could just the way the rotation was going All right I'll give you the offensive snaps if you want yeah 55 for the offense

all of them for Lane Johnson Jordan Mila Jalen Hertz Cam Juergens Tyler Steen 54 for Devante 51 for AJ Brown 43 for Brett Tooth 42 for Dallas Goddard 39 for Sequin 39 for Dotson

21 for Kyle and Granson 12 for Land and Dickerson 8 for AJ Dylan 8 for Will Shipley 7 for Grant Calcutara 4 for John Mechie 2 for Cameron Lott too Calcutera also suffered a game ending injury in the first half Yeah.

What was Seiquan again? 39 and 55. Hmm. Okay. And 8 and 8 for Shipley and Dillon? Yes. They had some success with 12 personnel in that first field goal drive, I believe. And then didn't really live in it after that, it felt like.

Yeah, six carries for Sequin is going to be talked about this week. Now the Hogi Mouse out there will reverse back. Six carries. You can't have a guy like Sequin Barclay and only give a two of six times. So get ready for that. That'll be fun. What do you remember the minute. The signs, run the damn ball.

Yeah. Roll the blunt. Yeah. Crazy. Just in terms of a quarterback comparison, Julia, just how these guys finish this game. Jalen Hertz, 23 of 38 for 280 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions, a 100.0 or 100.8 quarterback rating.

Bo Nix 24 of 39 for 242 yards a touchdown no interceptions and 87.8 quarterback rating. What did you think of Bo Nix, Vinny? I thought Bo Nix looked at poise out there. Yeah. I think he did, man. Okay, you give more credit than I do. He wasn't under pressure. You know what throw he made that was really nice was the third and long over the middle to Cortland Sutton, you know, that was timed well.

That was another one where, like, you know, I would love to point out there. I just say, look poise out there. I, you know, he's like, what I mean by that is that he had, he had time to make something happen, you know, and check it, you know. Yeah, the rush was not affecting him. Right. I do. I think he played outplayed Jaylen.

No, you know, you know, I stand on that one. Of course not. It's just, it just didn't look under pressure. It didn't look distressed. No. And Philadelphia, that's the word known to make quarterbacks look. stressed. Yeah.

Yeah, it's not a fierce pass rush. It's not. This is crazy. I can't even believe we're even still talking about the pass rush issue. I'm curious to see, and I'll look this up now, what Vick's blitz percentage in this game was. Because, you know, Zach Bonn had a sack. And they sent guys the strip sack.

Right. And I think he has to do that to try to manufacture rush. Is that what we're not getting home with? or are we depending on linebackers and DBs to make this? I think you're feeling some kind of way about this. I'm just saying. I think you might want to come back. No, whoa, who?

Bring BG back. Oh, asked them this week. I'm just saying, I've seen him. I've seen VG. Look good. Looking like he's still in shape. He does look good. Bring BG back.com.

Bring BG back.com. You know, go fund me. Let's see. What week is the trade deadline? Poor Howie. Week 10, 11? They pushed it I think

10 might be right It does feel like Howie's gonna be working the phones a little bit here Nolan Smith's due back around The second week in the deadline is a month from now November 4th And I think Nolan Smith's due back around November 10 He's definitely's missed

Noly you definitely missed No doubt about it I wonder what level of move they make I think Howie wants to do something Do something big He always wants to do something. He's a gambler. They got a lot of draft fix.

We have another super chat from Fresh Prince. I mean, Fresh Prince. Fresh Prince. Just join the supporters club. Just come on the show. I mean, what are we doing? Last Super Chat. What about that drop in the bucket past the Dodson?

He didn't get both feet in, but it was crazy accurate. I think the offense can grow. That's exactly right. It was a great throw. Yeah, I give shout out to that player earlier. It's a shame that he like, it wasn't a bobble, but it kind of was because it hit his hand and then he pulled it in because he did have his left foot down

when he first caught it and if they had considered it secured he would have had two feet in but that was a beautiful ball. So a little bit surprising according to True Media Vic only blitzed 14% of the time on dropbacks in this game

which is only the second most or sorry the second fewest of the five games this season So the week one, he didn't blitz it a lot. That was 12%. The last three games, he was over 20%. This game was back down at about 14. So it goes to our point to how he looked like.

A couple more time than usual. Yeah. We used to seeing him at the link. That's true. All right. E.J. is getting in position. So we'll hear from him shortly. Julia, it seems like we got a little, we got some, we got some invaders

oh they super chat well appreciate that BG B jizzle okay I mean it's nice to have that pathetic of a life yeah and hit that thumbs up while you're in here

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I mean, go make some friends. I know there aren't that many Broncos fans, but now is the time to find them. You know? Somebody said they're smoking cigars in the Denver locker room. I hope that's true. Oh, are you kidding me. I mean, I don't know if that's just talking cheek chat talk or it'd be very funny if they

were. But I mean, Vinny, that speaks to the thing that you've talked about is when you're the defending champs, right? every week, you're somebody's like a number one target. Oh, absolutely. Like, but, you're going to smoke cigars where the game was decided on a freaking tackle and, like, come on, don't do that. Don't do that.

Don't do that. Listen, you want to smoke cigars on some questionable calls with the reps? Then be my guess. I'm starting to get pitched off now. EJ's here. All right. We've stalled long enough. Finally, Mr. Fall is here.

Our Eagles insider E.J. Smith joining us on the Xfinity mobile call-in line. Oh, did you get rid of the? Oh, no, you still got it. It's not peeking out from the collar. But it's nice to see you, EJ. Oh. Yeah, there we go. Now we're talking. You're right.

I got to look present. What's up, guys? What's up guys? How's the mood in the studio today? Vinnie's down bad. Vinny says it feels like someone stole his dog. Yeah.

Stole your dog. It's been a long time It's been a little bit. Yeah, no, it has been a minute. 371 days, EJ. All right, AJ. You talked to a lot of people. You talked to Jalen.

You talked to Nick Siriani. You know, you talk to guys in locker room. I think you have some pool report news for us. Why don't we start there? Because everybody is talking about the refs after this game. What plays did they talk about and what did they say? Yeah, so I think the one that stood out the most in the post-game locker room. room was the illegal motion on Sequin Barclay.

You know, when we first got down there, I think there were some people who sort of actually thought it was on Sequin, like, in a literal sense. Like, obviously, it was called on him. But if you were to attribute blame to him, it would be misguided. And I think the indication from the pool report, it's not out yet, Zach Berman. I know who, sorry, back Zerman. What? He's our pool reporter.

The official pool reporter, I think, is what you. I mean, that's... Yes. Yeah. He hasn't put it out quite yet, but talking to him. He's not working hard enough. Slacking. I mean, that's the pool reporter's job is to prioritize that for the rest of the media.

We're an hour and a half after the game. You would think that the pool reporter. There's a lot of answers that we needed to get. So two players, basically the reason that Seekwon got called for that penalty is because somebody was not set. And I believe it was Jehan Dotson. I talked to AJ Devante about it. Fran broke it down for us.

It was Dodson, yeah. Yeah, they both said that they had nothing to do with it. Jalen said that that was a situation where they were at the mercy of the play clock and talked about how this has been a habit with the team. Sorry, I shouldn't attribute that to him. It is a fact that it has been a habit with the team. And then he said it was basically an operation thing. Nick Siriani said the same thing and said that they weren't set when Seekwan started his motion,

which is why they were called for the penalty. I found it interesting that he was, Jalen was asked directly, like, you know, because he said he took accountability for the fact that they came, they come to the line so late so often. And then what really stood out to me is he was asked if the calls are getting in late. And Jalen took a long pause, really thought it through. And then he says, on time is relative. Oh, wow. But then he said, you know, I get the calls and I have to make. it work. You know, I got to make it happen with whatever the calls are, but he did say he started

his answer with a long pause. Wow. On time is relative. It's not no. Like it's not the calls are on time, but. I mean, in Jalen speak, you know, you can. That's a lot for him. That's a lot for him, don't you think? It leaves space for interpretation is what I would say. It doesn't leave that much interpretation. I feel like that's as direct as he gets. Yeah, that's why I led with it. I found it interesting. For the record, Nick Siriani said, when asked if the calls are getting in late,

he said that it's a multitude of things, and he said that they're going to find solutions, not a sign blame. So, so, yeah, but it is 100% been something. You know, I thought the theme of Jaylen's press conference was basically what he said at the very beginning, which is that some things that, he said some things that, that didn't get you until they, sorry, I'm not doing a good job reading my chicken scratch here. He says, some things don't get you until they get you. And that was kind of the theme of what he was talking about, talked about execution being a problem for the offense.

And yeah, I mean, the play clock thing, like, that is a perfect example of like something that doesn't get you until it gets you. Now, what did Jalen and Nick and everybody else say about the offensive game plan? because it was a starkly different offensive game plan. Then we saw the first four games. The most past heavy they've been since AJ got here and the RPO's were back, more downfield shots. What did Jalen say about that? Yeah, the sense I got from Jalen and AJ and Devante even in particular

is that they came into this game. You know, Jalen didn't y'all for much. He said that that's just the way the game flowed. But AJ and Devonte talked about the fact that they saw a lot of man coverage today. And that was something they were planning for. And I think that is reflective in how they approach this game where they wanted to take advantage of those man-to-man matchups. Now, the RPO usage doesn't really align with that as much, but it was definitely a big element of what they did. I found it interesting. Jalen talked about a second and one bubble screen that he threw.

I don't have the play result, but I think it ended in a loss. And he talked about how that was the wrong decision. He said he could have easily handed that ball off and kept them on schedule, but he threw the bubble and they lost yards on it. So, you know, I think that I remember that play. And it actually should have worked. Like my lot of misses a block, AJ misses a block. And I think it should have been fine. But yeah, go ahead.

Yeah, I guess. But when you probably, if you're Jalen, if you're looking at the stat sheet after the game, you see that Sequan's only got six carries. You probably feel like maybe there were a few times where he pulled where he probably should have handed the ball off to Seekwon. But yeah, I think the matchup, expecting man coverage really factored into them being willing to take those deep shots. And I mean, obviously some of the penalties negated some of them,

but they were successful on some of those. I know you guys will probably want to hear about AJ on me, the one that they didn't hit on, the one where he slowed up. AJ basically said that it was a miscommunication. He said that he looked, he turned to look for the ball, and the ball wasn't on the way. And then he said he looked again, and it still wasn't on the way. And that is the result of what happened.

So I and Jaylin basically said that they're going to have to watch tape back. But yeah, that's, that one to me, I mean, I can give you the answers, but to me, like, AJ's got to run his route. You know, it's not a matter of like, he looked back, saw the ball and slowed up. I think that that, that one is probably more nuanced than he, he suggested it is. Yeah. I love AJ Brown. He's awesome. He takes enough other plays off to not take that play off. Yeah. Yeah, no. I agree. I mean, that was his opportunity and the fact that he doesn't, it doesn't hit because he slows up on his route. It's definitely tough. Now, what about the final play of the game? Did, did, did they lament that? I mean, he and Devante had their hands on the

ball. Oh, sorry, no, not much about the final play of the game. The penultimate play to Dallas Goddard. Nick Siriani, I found it interesting. He is usually pretty adverse to talking badly about the refs. His favorite thing is to say that they have a hard job to do, and he was aligned with that. He basically said that he felt like he feels like the calls even themselves out. But Dallas Goddard didn't have much else to add. And I only heard from him at the very beginning of his press conference or his media scrum. And he basically said that he didn't get a good explanation for it. The only thing I really heard from players about the calls that I thought was interesting is that Zach Bond, maybe you guys had already talked about this,

but Zach Bonn said that he felt like the personal foul penalty he was called for was subjective is how he put it. He said he felt like it could have gone either way. It was garbage is what it was. We actually got to see you in that video, E.J. Rich took a great video. We got to see the whole thing and you were just there before you were gone. I feel like I was reaching it.

I was reaching it. And then, yeah, I tried to, I made sure I was in on AJ today. That was important for me. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah. So what, I mean, if we're playing, You know, couples therapist after the week that AJ and Jalen had, how do you feel like things went today?

I mean, not great, obviously. I feel like the fact that the missed shot, like play was mostly on the, you lay that at the feet of AJ, probably doesn't pour as much fuel on the fire as if it had been the other way. But I don't know, AJ talked a lot about self-inflicted wounds after this one. He talked about the fact that they're just not on the same page and that there's inconsistency in the passing game. It was actually Devante that really talked about miscommunications, you know, not seeing signals, not being on the same page because they are not really able to communicate at the line, which probably also leans into them getting to the line late. But specifically with Jaylon and AJ, I mean, I don't know. I think that there were some encouraging steps, especially in that first half, for the way the passing game looked and his involvement.

in it, but I mean, you still, I mean, he finishes this game with, what is it, five catches for 43 yards. And really, that stat line hinges on the fact that that shot play did not hit. You know, if he catches that one and he runs into the goalposts, his stat line looks a lot different. I think the fact that it probably is on AJ probably keeps this from, again, being like, inflamed. But yeah, it's still kind of business as usual as far as I'm concerned with those two. E.J., we had some people in the chat a little upset with Kevin Petulow's game plan today. What did you make of the offensive strategy slash game plan today? Yeah, you know, I think, if anything, I actually didn't, I felt like they did some good things in the first half, especially.

You know, like the RPO usage, I thought made a lot of sense. It's something we've seen this offense be successful with. Obviously, they were more aggressive, which I think was good. They threw the ball on a third and long situation, which, you know, is definitely promising, but I'll be honest with you. Like, to me, I don't know if this is so much of Kevin Petullo reflection as it is, like, the Eagles just don't have a run game right now. I think that was my biggest takeaway.

Six rushes is wild. Six, yeah, Seekwon had six carries for 30 yards. And honestly, like, I kind of understand why. They're behind the sticks so often. They just are not, they're not able to keep themselves on schedule with the run game in a way that it's just really not like an Eagles team that I can remember. So, I mean, I understand the criticisms of Kevin Petullo, and the fact that the operation is not fixed five weeks into the season, the fact that there is so many, there are so many miscommunications, and, you know, it's week five, and these guys are still talking about not being on the same page. That is all reflective of the offensive coordinator, but I really feel like the biggest issue, the biggest thing that plagues this team right now is like they have a non-existent run game.

You know, they, I just, with like 12 or 13 minutes left in this game, you know, they have a two, they have a two possession lead. And you just feel like this is a type of time, this is a time where the Eagles can kill this game off. You know, they can have, we've joked, like to call the four minute offense, it can be like a 10 minute offense. We've seen them do that before where they just salt away a game. The fact that they keep going three and out late in these games, I really do. I think that's the biggest, honestly, it's the biggest concern I have about the Eagles offense. They're talented enough. You know, Jalen said that this isn't a, it's not a, a capability thing.

They don't have a capability issue. In the run game, they might. You know, I just, I don't know. I find it hard to believe that, I find it hard to see this team, you know, winning games away that they have in the past with the run game the way it is. So where do you kind of assess the blame? Is it a little bit of everybody? Is it the run?

Because Stoutland's in charge of the scheme and the blocking pattern. So that shouldn't have changed much. Is it part Patulow? Is it the offensive line being normal? for the first time ever. Is it Seekoine having 500 plus touches last year? Is it a combination of everything? I don't think it's a Saquan workload thing. I think it is a little bit the offensive lines is banged up. Obviously, Landon Dickerson leaves this game with an ankle injury, which you can add to the knee and the back injuries he's already been dealing with. So I think that's a big part

of it. I got to see how Brett Toe played. I didn't have him in my notebook very much, which means he probably did okay. But I think in general, it's probably just a matter of of like this team needs to figure out how other teams, you know, have successful run games without having pro bowlers across the board. I think it's probably a little bit too talent dependent if I had to guess. Again, I want to watch all this back. But, you know, to me, it's like the Eagles have haven't had to scheme up, you know, on schedule plays for a long time because of the run game. And I think we're starting to see them trying to figure that out with how many RPO's they ran on early downs. But I don't know, especially against a team like the Broncos, you have to be

multiple. And the Eagles offense is not multiple right now. They are not. not an offense that has an identity. They are really still trying to figure that stuff out. And I think it has really caught up to them in second halves of games a lot this season. I don't want this, I don't want the defense to get off the hook for this game. Because the offense could have,

you shake your head. I mean, those were not great. That was not a great offense. The last two drafts were not great. I know the offense put them in a tough spot, but you've got superstars. You need your superstars to play like superstars. Jalen Carter is hurt.

He played 90% of the snaps, never sniff the quarterback. Quinyon Mitchell gives up two huge completions in this game. Oh, I completely, I completely disagree on your Quimonyon point. I've seen the stats out there. And Zach Vaughn has a good game, but then he commits a terrible penalty. I'm sorry. The Bond penalty to me was soft, so I don't really think you can fault him for it. You can absolutely fault him for it.

The guy is reaching for the first down marker. You want him to lay off? I like the bomb one aside quinion Mitchell to me this is like come on though did you watch the game like quininell was in tight coverage for almost all of those catches this is where it's like I see the final stat line like oh courtlin Sutton had this but it's like I watched where quinion was on those completions he's in tight coverage like you know okay maybe a little bit better at the catch point but really like I don't know I don't think you can really lay this at the feet of the defense they were out there for 34 minutes of the game they gave him 21 points you know like

I don't know. Against a mediocre offense and they're supposed to be the best defense in football. I'm sorry. They played like it for most of the game, but again, you're on the field for 34 minutes. I don't know. They have no pass rush. Especially the three-in-ounce. They don't have any pass-rush.

But to me, you hold a team to 21 points while being on the field as long as they had or as long as they were. I don't really think you can attribute much blame for the way that this game went. I think that this one really does come down squarely on the fact that the Eagles offense could not stay on the field with a two-possession lead in a way that we've always been. been able to, they've been able to do that for so long now, not being able to lean on that. How many times are you going to put your defense on the field and ask him to bail you out, you know? You think I'm being unfair to any? No, I mean, no, no, no.

Listen, you get paid, you get paid to make stops, you know, this is the, like, you got to understand, especially that in that last two minutes of the game, the game is on the line, you got to rise to the occasion. Yeah, I hear you. I mean, listen, they clearly are going to want to play better. This team has the roster occasion. They're defending champs. Yeah, but they've got

that much talent on the offensive side of the ball. Like, 17 points isn't enough. And not being able to stay on the field in the fourth quarter isn't enough. We're a house divided. I'm just saying it. Yo, I'm just saying, but Nick scored, what, 14, 14 points in four minutes,

five minutes. That was crazy. Yeah, you had 160 passing yards basically all in the fourth quarter. That can't happen. I got some pool report stuff for you guys too. Oh, Yon finally came through. No, it's not, it didn't come through, but I do want to make sure we mention this. Apparently there was an audio equipment malfunction on the intentional grounding call.

Yeah. That's why they wouldn't announce what happened? You got to be kidding. That is pathetic. Because Jimmy Kempski pointed this out to me. Philadelphia. Yeah, they wanted to get out of the stadium unharmed. Yeah, so because you're not, I didn't, I wasn't aware of this,

Jamie Kamski pointed this out to me. The replay assistant is not allowed to determine if there's a receiver in the vicinity. So the fact that it was overturned, the original call was, I guess the original call was upheld. They, you know, they did, the flag was picked up because of the fact that once they huddled, they concluded that there was a receiver in the, vicinity. They said that that was because the the referees couldn't communicate on the field. It was not replay assist that stepped in and said that there was a receiver in the vicinity.

So then why was it picked up after it was announced? Because there was allegedly, there was an audio equipment malfunction so that they couldn't have talked about it until after they had huddled. That's, that is what I, to my understanding, that is assonom. Then don't announce it yet. Wait till like. take a minute to talk to the guy face to face. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah. And then apparently on the Dallas got a pass interference,

there was hand-to-hand contact. They thought both players had like hand-to-hand contact there. I mean. Give me a break. One was tackled. I mean, yeah, he was dragged down. They missed the call. It's fine.

They didn't think it was rising to the occasion of a game-deciding call, which it would have been. But, you know, don't give me this. Yeah, especially when you have the Zach Bond one. I know we disagree on the validity of the Zach Bond call, but yeah, that one was also a game deciding call. And to me, it was really soft. Soft. And I'm not like Mr. like blame the refs guy.

You know me. Like I stay out of. Water's warm, E.J. Yeah. E.J. Real quick, when you were down in the bowels, did you get any of the cigar smoke coming out of the Denver Broncos locker room? I did not. Yeah, this is wild.

I mean, we've got Broncos fans in the chat who are. I mean, I'm sorry. It's week five. This is how pathetic your fandom is, how sad your life is, that you're celebrating a week five win. Like it's the Super Bowl, you're lighting cigars. Because now you're three and two. Give me a break.

Yeah. It's like, oh my God. I'm so desperate for relevance. Pay attention to me. Pay attention to me. Nobody's going to remember the Broncos, the 2025 Broncos. ever again after this year. Like, this is a team that doesn't matter.

So good for you. You get like, it's, what is it? What is it? What do we, what is the Gen Z? What do we call this, E.J.? Like you're stealing the, uh. Aura farming? Oh, yeah, they're aura farming from the Eagles. That's what, that's going on here.

I don't know if you use that one correctly, but I, I, for effort. I appreciate it. I mean, give me a break. It's pretty pathetic. A footnote in history. You know, Sean Payton went for two once. Let's throw a parade. Hang the banners.

There's one time and bang can't. Just give me a break. All right, E.J. What else do you have from the locker room? Let's start to wrap this. I'm going through my notes here. No, I think we hit on most of it. I think we're good.

Okay. Oh, you know what? One last thing. Okay. They have a, like, because it's a short week, they have like these, like, compression leg sleeve machines. Oh, yes, yeah. Yeah, so they're kind of, this is something that Nick's been doing for the last couple years, but you have in the locker room, like, it's full of, like, recovery equipment.

Basically, guys are just going in there immediately. And, like, I did take note that, like, Saigon Barkley was, like, the first one in, on one of those things. And he didn't talk until Nick was talking, actually, probably because he, you know, got right in for the recovery. side of things. So did E.J. Did any of the guys talk about the short week and kind of flushing this turd and moving on already? Or were they still a little busy? I don't know if many of those guys really leaned into like they are. Thank God we play in a couple of days. We can flush it. But I'm sure there's a component to that.

And you know, I did like Jalen did end his press conference saying like, you know, he's confident that they'll get it fixed. He said it's because he was asked about the short week and he said like it's about us and you know, we'll get it fixed. I'm confident we will. I'm sorry, last thing, E.J., what was Nick's, like, general demeanor? And why did he take so long? Why did he take so long is a good question. Obviously, it's been widely reported over the years that the coach usually meets with Jeffrey Lurie after the game.

So I can't be certain why he took so long, but it did take him longer. Usually Jalen is the last one to go. I thought his demeanor was critical of the way that the team played and really critical of himself because there were so many detail things. There are so many mistakes in the detail side of things where Nick really does harp on. So, yeah, I would say just generally critical of himself and, you know, some of the ways that the lack of attention of detail manifested in the game. Okay.

What are we going to be reading on all p.chly.com tomorrow morning when the early bird lands on the homepage? Yeah, I think I got to start with the Eagles offense, but I honestly, it'll be a little bit everything. Maybe I'll reconsider how the defense played since we disagree on that. But yeah, definitely getting into what

ails this Eagles offense with as much talent as they have. Like Jalen said, it's not a capability issue. It seems like everything else around that is the issue right now. All right. Well, E.J. Smith. E.J., somebody in the chat said the smoke machine game,

they coined it already, so you can't have that one. We have a super chat coming in. It turns out it's not cigar. it's a smoke machine thanks to cash quatch. That's also... Smoke machine might be even worse. Yeah, I was going to say, I'd rather than just be the cigars at that point.

We've also got Polar Jam, who says more like the Kitty Pool reporter, and Money More, who says, Good Game, Philly, your team is real tough. Go Broncos. Thank you for the money. Wow. Okay.

All right, E.J., good stuff. Enjoy your trip to the orchard and your pumpkin picking and the pumpkin spice lot. and all that good stuff with your beautiful fall outfit. Thank you. Thank you. I was,

you know, me and Jalen, we're the only two to wear sweaters today. So we're manifesting it. All right. Thank you, sir. All right. All right.

Final thoughts, Vinny. I hope you find your dog. How you, you know, we're going to turn this thing around here before it is. Yeah. The final thoughts is this. You don't shoot,

we don't shoot ourselves in the foot. We win this game. So I'm very confident that we're going to be all right. Jamie? Yeah, I mean, first loss in 371 days. I've gotten to the point where this is actually a good thing. You know, you weren't going to win them all. It's good to get one out of the way and start a new winning streak.

So that and the refs are cowards and belong in jail. I mean, listen, this is a bit of an inflection point of the season for the Eagles, right? We were not going to go and defeat it. They were doing a lot of things that did not come home to roost, as E. As E.J. said, they got to fix those things. Maybe this is a wake-up call to some degree. I think there was a lot of good stuff. in it where I don't feel terrible.

They were the better team in this game. It's fine. Yeah. You're going to lose football games. Like, if you take a step back. But let's see how they respond. Yeah. I mean, look, the Giants are, Jackson Dart is playing some good football.

Cam Scadabo or Scataboo is playing pretty well. I mean, they just got blown out by the Saints in New Orleans. Yeah. Let's go. Let's go out there. Let's put B to A here. Yeah. Let's go up there and kick their bleep and ass, you know, and get that taste out of your mouth and start a new one.

And cross our fingers. that nobody gets hurt on the terrible field, Vinny. Death life field. Tell your boy, what he's shaking his head just thinking about it. And it just redid that. Yeah. What are you, what are owners doing? Just get grass.

Stop it with the turf. Man, I'm telling you. It's so cheap. It's crazy. All right. The Eagles blow a 17 to 3 lead in the fourth quarter. Lose 21 to 17. Fall to 4 and 1 on the season.

their first loss in a calendar year in a game in which Jalen Hertz has started and finished. We'll see how they respond on Thursday night against the New York Giants, the second NFC East game of the season. Thanks to everybody for watching and listening and being active in the chat.

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