PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Postgame: Eagles EMBARRASSED by Bears in Black Friday Blowout

Episode Date: November 29, 2025

No more pretending like the Eagles will figure it out in the end after an ugly blowout loss to the Bears that featured the defense surrendering over 250 yards rushing and the offense struggling to do ...anything despite the presence of Jalen Hurts, A.J. Brown, DeVonta Smith and more. Will Jeffrey Lurie enact change before the Eagles’ next game? Is Kevin Patullo safe? Will Nick Sirianni do anything to get his team ready to play again? Super Bowl champion Vinny Curry joins the PHLY crew along with Fran Duffy, EJ Smith, Jamie Lynch and Bo Wulf. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hello everybody and welcome to the PHL by Eagles postgame show live from the Xfinity Lounge presented by Bet365 and Ashley after an embarrassing loss for the Eagles at home coming off a loss to the Dallas Cowboys in which they blew a 21 point lead. this was the game when they were going to respond and instead they responded by just kind of not really showing up and got pounded by the Chicago Bears 24 to 14 gave up 281 yards rushing that's the second most they've given up
Starting point is 00:00:46 in a game this century and the offense was even worse horrible we're going to talk about it all we're going to hear from E.J. Smith live at the link after he talks to guys in the locker room We're going to have Fran Duffy break it all down. We're going to listen to you the fans and let you get some stuff off your chest
Starting point is 00:01:01 because this is a game that deserves it and deserves all the booze that you have to give from the bottom of your throats. I'm Bo Wolfe. That's Jamie Lynch. That's Super Bowl champion, Vinnie Curry. Let's knock it around the horn here on the big takeaway.
Starting point is 00:01:17 Vinnie, what's your big takeaway from that loss? That didn't look like us. I don't know if everyone was full from Thanksgiving I it just didn't look like us and I was there
Starting point is 00:01:32 too much bourbon last night and I was there and I just it was just felt weird but you could see some guys out there still trying to compete though sure
Starting point is 00:01:42 but some guys it's kind of like blah you know that's my takeaway especially in the first half they looked like they didn't want to be there
Starting point is 00:01:50 dude it was a lot of mistackles I'm curious to see what's the final mistackle. Got to be double digits of mistackles. You can't win football games with that many mistackles.
Starting point is 00:02:01 It was just like mistakes that you usually see like week one or week two in the preseason. It just didn't look like us. Jamie, your big takeaway presented by Xfinity. My big takeaway is
Starting point is 00:02:16 Kevin Petulow probably shouldn't be the offensive coordinator anymore. There's no answer. There's no, like, there's nothing. And, you know, like, whether it's the comment section or my text threads blowing up, people want a pound of flesh because this is a putrid offense with a lot of money invested in it. I'm sure Jeffrey Lurie and Howie Roseman are irate
Starting point is 00:02:44 with the amount of money they spent on this offense to get these results. The offensive line fell apart this year. You know, attrition of playing a lot of football the past couple years coming into the season hurt. But Sequin Barclay is a non-existent element in this offense. I didn't think that was possible. A.J. Brown is like, you know, he's putting up numbers, but it still doesn't feel right.
Starting point is 00:03:09 You know what I mean? Like, it's just a bad offense. Very bad. Terrible. I mean, they went a whole four quarters over the past two weeks, scoring three points. Yeah. Right?
Starting point is 00:03:20 Against two bad defenses in the Cowboys and Bears. Jailen Hertz in this game, for 34 for 230 yards, two touchdowns and an interception. It was way worse than those numbers. And I don't really think that it's all Kevin Petulow's fault or even mostly Kevin Petulow's fault. But I do think that knowing Jeffrey Lurie and having covered the team as long as I have,
Starting point is 00:03:43 they have 10 days now before a Monday night game against the Chargers, I would be pretty surprised if Jeffrey Lurie doesn't enact some significant change this week. I'm not saying that that's Kevin Petulow, I don't know if it's a change in who's calling the plays, if it's Nick has to do it or something else. But after those two performances,
Starting point is 00:04:03 Jeffrey Lurie is going to do something. Do you think they learned, I mean, last time they did this, Matt Patricia took over and it got worse. The team effectively quit. Do you think there's PTSD there from an in-season change? Or do you think this is something that they know has to wait until after the season?
Starting point is 00:04:19 No, because I don't think so because there's definitely so many sparks there. We watched in the first half, I think Sequan was averaging at that point in time, what, 4.8, 5 yards of carry. We get away from that and then we start getting slower. And then I AJ had what, 10
Starting point is 00:04:40 receptions for 132? 10 for 132 and 2 touchdown. And it's just like, okay, our playmakers is getting trying to make things shake but it just, like he said, it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel. It doesn't seem right. You know, but I'll tell you one thing, if I got one positive thing, AJ did show he is 7-Eleven always open. I mean, he was frying him DBs today.
Starting point is 00:05:04 Yeah, and the play he makes on the first touchdown in one-on-one coverage, really awesome play. He has looked also like Spryor the past two weeks, I feel like. He has looked good the last two weeks, and obviously it has not correlated with anything good happening on offense for the rest of the offense. But today, the Eagles had one. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 possessions.
Starting point is 00:05:28 One touchdown, one missed field goal at the very end, and a field goal. That's it. I can't even remember to tell you when the last time we had that many three-in-outs. It's bad. Oh, they are having three-outs at a historic rate. They're the worst in the NFL. That's pathetic. And, Bo, you know this from your time down there.
Starting point is 00:05:49 Like, yeah, there's frustrations because the money invested in this offense. but they're becoming a national laughing stock. Offensively, Richard Sherman at halftime was literally mocking Kevin Petulow in this offense. Dan Orlovsky is tweeting, what the hell are these play calls? Nick Foles, the man somewhere in the studio, was on his podcast this week,
Starting point is 00:06:12 like this route tree from this offense is pathetic. They are getting dragged through the mud on a public stage at this point, and that carries a lot of weight with Mr. Lorry. That's true. And it's not, again, it's not just the scheme because Jalen missed a bunch of throws today. Sure. It's execution as well.
Starting point is 00:06:30 Again, we handled the penalties that, you know, bit them last week. But it's ugly. And the, you know, guys being paid a lot of money, it's not about I'm not getting the value of my money. It's about, it's, that is a proxy for there are really talented players on this offense. I mean, think about the guys who are on this offense. You have a Super Bowl MVP in Jailen. You have a pro bowler and AJ Brown. You have a guy who is pro bowl level wide receiver in Devante Smith.
Starting point is 00:06:57 You've got a pro bowler at left tackle, a pro bowler at left guard, a pro bowler at center, a pro bowl tight end in Dallas Goddard. Like this offense on paper is loaded. And by the results, they're one of the worst eight offenses in the NFL. That is embarrassing. And Jeffrey Lurie is going to be angry about it. No doubt. Is Nick Siriani capable of taking over play calling?
Starting point is 00:07:21 I think he might have to. And I don't even think that that's necessarily a good thing. I just think it's going to be kind of like you got us into this mex. Let's see what you can do to get us out of it. I might need to text. I'm just telling him to shave the head. Baldiani. When he came out, when he came out Baldiani, though, we was on fire.
Starting point is 00:07:39 Yeah, I think they might have to. I mean, is there another option internally, Scott, or Leffler? But he's, yeah, Leffler, you know. He's brand new from Bowling Green. Marks Frazier has called plays before. This is bad. this is bad like they're on the verily if they do make the playoffs which still a decent chance they do they're they're not going anywhere yeah i mean right now they're there are only a game
Starting point is 00:08:04 and a half up on the cowboys who are playing better football i there is absolutely no guarantee they're going to make the playoffs yeah and you have a you know a desperate chargers team and what happened wait what it's not a guarantee wait wait wait wait hold up oh my god you're right i mean listen The schedule on paper looks cakey. It looked cakey in 20203, too. After the charges, you've got the Raiders, the commanders, the bills, the commanders. Yeesh. You know, does 10 and 7 get them to the playoffs?
Starting point is 00:08:39 Maybe not. Wow. Their chance on ESPN's predictor on the 25th to make the playoffs was 97%. To win the division was 95%. I've already in my mind been like, well, they're out. That's where I'm at, 97% two days ago to make the playoffs. I wonder what it was going to be this week. You won't be able to know until after Sunday, but much lower.
Starting point is 00:09:05 But by the way, I mean, listen, you're not allowed to boo this team. That's how dare the fans boo a performance like that. Oh, no, they was booing out there. Of course they were booing. The team really showed up today. Oh, no, they was booing. Vinny, you were down there pregame on the sidelines for the first half
Starting point is 00:09:25 what was, what's like the, you know and the energy, the aura of the team are they, do they appear together? I mean, you know, they definitely paired together. I got the catch up with AJ. He looked at totally locked in. Jordan Day's looked at locked in.
Starting point is 00:09:43 B.G. looked at locked in. Some of the guys looked at locked in. So I was like, oh, all right, this is going to be a good one. But, you know, if you could have a couple plays back that one pass that was kind of behind Devante early on that's a touchdown that's a touchdown that's a touchdown that's a touchdown and you know miss that throw it's just like
Starting point is 00:10:01 we didn't mention the fumble on the on the touch push right that was the game right there so there was like a couple of mistakes we would love to have back if you could even have those games back but maybe we would not be going too hard but this was not a game where it was like oh man it wasn't like the cowboy's game was like oh this one just everything went went against us every little bounce went the other way one thing had gone the other way when but I didn't deserved to win this game. The bears came in and beat them up, blew them off the line
Starting point is 00:10:25 of scrimmage. The bears absolutely deserved to win this game. But I felt like when that happened it was just like one of these. You ever go like somebody popped the air balloon. Yeah. And after that was a disaster. Yeah. The game was lost on the touch push fumble. That was it.
Starting point is 00:10:41 Like the Jalix-Hun interception was a type of we can steal this like fantastic play. Yeah, they've been playing terrible for the entire game and then you get the 91 yard touchdown drive on like five plays
Starting point is 00:10:56 then you get the Jelix Hunt pick you're like okay here we go 10 9 we're about to go in and take the lead and then yeah the fumble by Jalen and that was the one where it was really like my Eagle fan was having a meltdown I was like damn they must be like being the Eagle fan with the last four years
Starting point is 00:11:11 they're not used to this type of thing of a game it was like ah ah ah and it was tripping in there I was like oh shit and Les Bowen thought it was forward progress should have been stopped on that point Yeah, but they didn't blow the whistle. That's just, that's not how the rule works, and that's not how the touch push has worked.
Starting point is 00:11:25 That was the game. I actually think the actual complaint you can have there is, I mean, the guy just goes in and goes helmet to helmet as he rips out the ball. Yeah. And he, like, he head hunts Jalen while going to get the ball. That could have been a flag. They can't do that on review. But, you know, that's the problem with the touch push.
Starting point is 00:11:40 The quarterback's just sitting up there. He's, he's opening and hit. Man. What a bad, what a bad, what a bad game. But this idea that, like, oh, well, the team won the Super Bowl last year, you're not allowed to have high expectations and react and care about the team. Just clap. Come on.
Starting point is 00:11:56 Ridiculous. Should have booed louder. Going into half, we talked about it at a halftime boat, to let the clock run down 20 seconds, Siriani has no confidence in his offense. He's right. He is, but like he just let the whole country see that. Like he put that on display of like, yeah, I'm going to let this clock run down because I know we're not moving the ball.
Starting point is 00:12:18 That's pathetic. let's check out some of the superchats here from everybody who is rightfully frothing at the mouth starting with Zach Trauma who just gives us a nice super chat we appreciate that thank you Zach and by the way listen uh not for nothing I know you're not feeling it right now feeling like supporting the Eagles but instead of supporting the Eagles how about support PHY and just know that we got a great black Friday deal going on retail to 90% off I don't know go buy go buy a Sixers shirt yeah by a flyer shirt they're fun 711 MX3 says defense exposed two weeks in a row.
Starting point is 00:12:53 Offense with zero answers. Jalen turnovers. Siriani Petulo are two cheeks of the same ass at this point. Oh boy. Wow. Two cheeks of the same ass. Love that. I've never heard that phrase before.
Starting point is 00:13:06 I never heard that either. That's a good one. Thank you for sharing. That is a good one. By the way, this was Jalen's worst game. And I don't even want to hear about the win. Football's been played in win. He just missed some throws.
Starting point is 00:13:18 He was all. off today. Devante twice. You have Devante, and look, here's in defense of Kevin the tool. He schemes up a play where he gets Devante Smith one-on-one with the linebacker and Jalen under throws it by five yards. You had Brian Dawkins so upset. He's tweeting about that. I forget what he tweeted exactly, but it was like, you got to throw that, you know, over and to the sideline. He threw it under and inside. Be doc's pissed. Look what you've done, Eagles. You've pissed off Brian Dawkins. That's hard. do.
Starting point is 00:13:51 Aaron D. says, even if he isn't the main reason, just fire Petulow now. It might not even make the offense better, but why not? He won't have the job next year. This is the thing.
Starting point is 00:14:07 This is why I feel bad for Petulow. It's not just his fault. No. But the part of having that job is that you become the scapegoat. Yes. I mean, you're not going to fire Jalen Hertz. Next year, you're not. has enough equity to probably live another year.
Starting point is 00:14:23 I would think, maybe. I mean, we'll see how bad this gets. But I would think, so the only change you can make is Kevin Petulow. And that sucks for him, but that's part of the job. Hesanon. Feels like older guys on offense aren't being held accountable. Do the young leaders on defense feel they can't speak up? Interesting.
Starting point is 00:14:47 I mean, Zach Bonds, the oldest right on the day I think he's saying on the offense I think yeah but in that in that case though double double digit miss tackles got to stop before you can call somebody out
Starting point is 00:15:02 so defense got to hold he self accountable first they gave up 200 and something yards rushing when the last time the Eagles gave up that that mean yards rushing it's the most under Vic Fangio by a lot
Starting point is 00:15:13 you know what I mean so it's just like there's a lot of yeah i will stay away from that one well the syriani of it and it goes to it goes to that we obviously we can zoom out and say nick syriani has the what second best record of a head coach ever you're in the end in a post merger he deserves he deserves equity he deserves a leash he's delivered a super bowl we're not even a full year removed from that big picture we should be able to ride with the ups and downs and then you know this was michael jenkins hall of fame Induction
Starting point is 00:15:47 You know what I didn't see out there I didn't see a leader out there I agree with you And that's the second part of this You zoom in From being all the way out there With Siriani and you think okay Is he helping us offensively
Starting point is 00:16:04 Not right now No Is he cultivating this great culture That we always talk about Not when All we hear about is how the team doesn't like each other and there's no leaders on the field as you say, Vinny. Is he
Starting point is 00:16:19 bringing a nice advantage in terms of game management? No. Like, is the team ready to play every week? Not today. Not today. But then on offense, though, offensively, who's the main guy
Starting point is 00:16:36 that shows the most passion and that they get after it? Right now it's AJ Brown. Exactly. So what I'm telling you is that that's going to show. you, even when he caught the first touchdown, he's like, you show how passionately I fired up he was. It's like, yo, let's get it going.
Starting point is 00:16:52 And then Chicago, we could start with noseblee. Yeah. Well, you get the turnover, and then the fumble happens. You know what I mean? So it's just like, damn, like, you need another passionate that, that, that, fine, a noise. And it really felt that way early, when it was such a sleepy start from the Eagles, and they're getting blown off a ball and they go three and out. It was like, it felt like nobody wanted to play.
Starting point is 00:17:13 they needed somebody to bring some kind of spark for everybody to just get up for and it never really happened until AJ in the third quarter. Yeah, that's crazy. All right, let's take a quick break to hear from some sponsors. We're going to get more of your super chats on the other side. We will hear from Fran Duffy. I don't know what he's going to break down,
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Starting point is 00:19:43 Back on the P.H.O.I. Eagles post-game show. Let's hear more of these super chats from you, the fired up fans. J.P. Fabo says Jamie, we are not going to be okay. But we are here together. Yes.
Starting point is 00:19:59 We're here in the Losers Lounge, JP, and thank you for the super chat. Brendan Martin. what's the Sigma we need to trade for Evan Neal next year and convert Jalen to RB1 that is the wildest proposal that I've heard so far as if
Starting point is 00:20:18 Evan Neal solves anything By the way Tyler Steen tonight my man looked confused out there happened a couple times There was at least three plays I recall him like almost at the point of snap Still looking back like what Are we in here?
Starting point is 00:20:35 Tyler Steen look lost out there today. That's not good. Thinking about that sweet potato pie, man. Joseph Lynch. I'm going to guess this is a Jamie cousin. It is not to my knowledge, but maybe. Says, the birds are so frustrating.
Starting point is 00:20:52 We're resorting to making terrible jokes. A bear walks into a convent and asks to join. The abbess says, sorry. Bears can't be numb. The bear asks, why not? I'm a non-guy. I'm a nun guy. A nun guy. I'm a nun guy. I'm a nun guy. Oh, I was thinking, man-a-man-oh, yeah, let's see ya. I'm a nun guy. I do like saying his last name. I don't like hearing Al Michaels say it. For
Starting point is 00:21:26 whatever reason, him saying that word creeps me out. Is there much that Al Michaels does that you do like? I don't mind him usual Fridays through Wednesdays. Brendan Martin, we need to bring Dable in to be the O.C. Or hire Urban Meyer as the head coach. He would probably keep Elliot from missing
Starting point is 00:21:54 if you know, you know. He's going to kick him? He doesn't help. Urban Meyer. That's an even worse suggestion than Jalen Hertz or RB1. Jake Elliott. By the way. Well, I mean, listen.
Starting point is 00:22:07 That missed, the extra point. That's huge. And it's the reason that they had to go for two earlier in the game. By the way, it's the right decision to go for two. It is the right decision. It's also not, it's not definitely right or wrong, but it's the preference to know. Yes, you should know if you need one or two more possessions. But I also, I like, I almost felt bad for Elliot.
Starting point is 00:22:30 Like, it's almost like Nick's putting him out there at the end. Here, hit this difficult. kick in the wind. And if you don't, everyone's going to remember that instead. That would be lasting memory. Yeah. The extra point is. You guys got to make the extra point. That extra point was that's, I mean, that's another shot at when you didn't deserve. Carson Andrews. This season is starting to feel very 2023. Despite the Super Bowl victory last season, do you think Siriani survives another collapse? I mean, if it's every other year, Collapse, Super Bowl,
Starting point is 00:23:05 collapse, Super Bowl. I think I take that deal with the devil. Yeah, but shoot, you're going to call somebody to catch a heart attack. Oh, yeah. Cardiac arrest. Do you, like, when you're on the field
Starting point is 00:23:18 for a game like that, how do you feel about fans booing? Get you together. Yo, that's one thing about Philadelphia. You held accountable at the very spot you need to be held at. No, like, Philly fan will let you have it. You're not playing hard.
Starting point is 00:23:35 You're not doing this. Yes, exactly. That's what makes Philly fans the number one fan base amongst all 32 teams. They will tell you how it is. Now, if you don't like it, how it is, this might not be spot for you to play out. If you can't take strongly constructive criticism. From people who know ball. You know?
Starting point is 00:23:56 I mean, even if you know no ball or not, you're not popping out on the TV, like, you're walking. What's you walking for? You know, so. okay all right Lindsay do we have Fran let's do it let's bring in
Starting point is 00:24:09 the Ashley's film room our man the great Fran Duffy at Fran's film room sponsored by Ashley Fran how how long was
Starting point is 00:24:21 Francis booing for this game it was trying to remember the exact moment but so we've I've lived this started last week where we have pretty strict rule like we don't say uh we don't say stupid we don't say dumb in our house like uh you know
Starting point is 00:24:37 we let that go last week so he let that go so now during the game uh he thinks he thinks he's emboldened yeah oh this team is so stupid this team is so dumb and i was like no notes i got that i got well friend listen i'm ban myself from watching this show tonight and we'll talk about it later because these dude, it's Jamie Fault, though. Noah was at the game today, and he was not being nice. Yo, you haven't been caught completely off guard, and I'm like, hey, he and not realizing what he just said to someone, and it was like, the person looking at me like,
Starting point is 00:25:17 and I'm like, ha, ha, ha, he's like, yeah, I'm like, what did you say? You know, I'm like, yo, he's only eight years old, so hopefully I'm like, oh, my gosh, it's been a long day, friend. It's been a long day. Yep. And it's Jamie Fault, though. Poor Vinny. All right, Fran.
Starting point is 00:25:36 Before we get to the actual breakdowns, I mean, just your general opinion on what you saw today. Let's start with the offense, because I know we're going to get to some of the ugliness on run defense, 281 yards rushing, like insane, a pair of 100-yard rushers. But on offense, I mean, what was the plan? What did you think? yeah i got nothing i mean it's it's been more the same it's exactly what we have seen throughout the course of the season where you have long stretches again where it's like oh they had one first down in five drives you know the the the run game was they they could not move the
Starting point is 00:26:14 ball against what had been one of the worst run defenses in football uh we could talk about the wind we don't talk about it whatever you want the past game was not good uh you had you know some numbers late in the, late in the game with empty calorie like makeup plays, recovery plays, but Jalen missed a handful of throws. We're going to get into the most egregious one, and it's not for the reasons that you guys even think. But to me, like, it was, that was as ugly of a game as I can remember from this team. With all the context included, that was, that was as ugly a performance as you could have
Starting point is 00:26:48 expected here today. Fran, is Kevin Petullo gut check right now calling plays Monday night versus the chart? Yeah, I think so, but they're going to have, they're going to have difficult decisions, difficult conversations in the off season. And I think it's going to be a lot of people having difficult conversations in the, in the off season. And I mean, look, I would say, like, jobs are probably on the line here down the stretch. It's, this has been, this has been a really rough.
Starting point is 00:27:19 Because the thing about this, this is all since the by week. Like, usually it's like, oh, the bi week. We have that time to reset. The last four games, since their by week, a putrid, historically bad stretch from this offense in the last four games. Friend. The energy, the amount of energy, especially in that third quarter, was like, what is this going on right now? Going into the halftime, heard a lot of booze out there.
Starting point is 00:27:49 I'm like, damn, they ain't, I ain't heard a boo in a minute coming to the Eagles home. game that was insane and let me just tell you bro being there it just didn't look like they were there too many missed tackles it just didn't it don't look like us what that felt like to me viny and i'd be interested to get your take on this it to me it felt like a defense that knows that they've been holding that team afloat for the last month and the dam just cracked that's how that's how it felt to me. They came short week the holiday
Starting point is 00:28:28 hangover coming off the short week or you let the Cowboys Beach whatever the reason the damn broke and the defense was not they were like yeah we don't have it today and if they can't carry you then this offense they're not going to be able to do it for you. What was that last
Starting point is 00:28:43 year frame? I think last last year we talked about what was like the worst game I've been part of I said when we gave up two different people ran over 100-some yards. That's how that looked today. Tampa Bay? No, no, no. Washington.
Starting point is 00:28:58 Okay. It was against Washington, but it was just like, that's what it looked like today. And I was just like, it's time for me to get over to the studio. Like, because that was, that was, like, give me PTSD. Like, oh, my God, like, what the hell's going on? So I just had to get a bottom of it.
Starting point is 00:29:16 And, Fran, your context is right, because I hadn't thought about it as the by-week as a delineation, but you're exactly right. The first eight weeks of the season, before the buy, they weren't great on offense, but the fewest points they scored in a game was 17, which they did twice. Since the buy, they've scored 10 points,
Starting point is 00:29:34 16 points, 21 points, and 15 points. That's it. Four games. The game where they scored 21, the game where they scored 21, one of those touchdowns was fueled by a penalty on special teams that maybe shouldn't have happened.
Starting point is 00:29:51 you know, whatever, but even still, like, was a three and out, like that got saved by a special team's penalty. Yeah, this offense is in a downward spiral. And I'm seeing all the comments and all these analogies are right. Like, taking on water in the engine room, whatever analogy you want to use, like, this offense is down bad. And it's going to be, I don't have a lot of faith in their ability to recover. You know, they've already been trying to problem solve.
Starting point is 00:30:14 So why would they be able to solve it now? Right. Yeah, exactly. Oh, because they have a mini buy now coming off a disastrous loss. you know, they've got the weekend to be able to handle it. I got very little faith that it'll happen, unfortunately. Fran, before you dive into your film tomorrow, I guess, keep an eye on Tyler Steen.
Starting point is 00:30:31 There was like three plays today where my man had no idea what was going on. It was bad. Yeah, I mean, there were missed blocks all over the place. Yeah. You know, like Fred Johnson had a couple of misblocks again. The left side had missed blocks. There were miscommunication issues.
Starting point is 00:30:46 There were communication issues up front. Again, penalties, like, over the last two weeks, This team has had over, I think it's 22 penalties in the last two games. That's not winning football. That's not a well-coached team. That's not a team that is completely locked in and trying to defend a title. It's not good football. And the gall that Philadelphia fans have to boo, oh, I can't believe it.
Starting point is 00:31:09 This theme is their first place. It's not just the broadcaster was doing it. There was plenty of- Vinny, what are you doing? Vinny's series, piss. Friend, I don't. I'm trying, dude, my phone is tripping. And it's so funny because you know how much your guy hate AI, right?
Starting point is 00:31:26 So I wonder if I downloaded the AI app and got my phone with tripping. Okay, I'm sorry. Sorry to cut everybody off, bro, but... Boo! Yeah, it's going to say that. Yeah, it's crazy. To me, like, this team deserves all the booze that it got today. There wasn't enough booze.
Starting point is 00:31:41 Can you forget it? All right, so... Can you fix that? Let's break. Let's go to that Jalen miss on the Devante slant on the Shadow of the Red. red zone their first real successful drive of the game on offense what did we what did we not see this was this was a play where uh and i i get it though i will go get into why we say it let's go to the first one so this is uh devante one um and right now right off the bat you got seven guys in the line
Starting point is 00:32:07 of scrimmage for chicago and this is so it's a it is a zero coverage look you got and we can see all 11 defenders uh for chicago here you've got seven guys up in the line of scrimmage you've got four in coverage the eagles aren't empty so you've got all five eligibles out you got five guys you know blocking for jalen hurts this is a this is one of those things where it's like all right if they send everybody and it's a cover zero blitz i got to go to my man beater but if they send everybody someone's going to be wide open and you know what the the defense doesn't know what the routes are but the quarterback knows what the routes are yeah the quarterback knows i've got somebody work in the middle of the field
Starting point is 00:32:44 here and he knows like that right now that middle of the field is wide open now you would expect that some of these guys are going to drop out and they're going to drop into short zones. We've seen teams do that against the Eagles. Hey, we're going to put a bunch of guys up in the line of scrimmage and then we're going to drop two or three players out into short zones and it's up to you to try and read this out. Jalen is going to start on what is the man-to-man side because you've got two receivers. It's not a true stack on the left side, but essentially a stack formation over on the left side. You've got Jahan Dotson, who's seeing the far left of the frame. He's going to release vertically up the field and
Starting point is 00:33:15 essentially provide interference for Devante Smith to work underneath. So let's take a look at the at the next shot and you're going to see there here comes devante working right off jehan dotson's hip he's going to ride in his wake and work towards the middle of the field this should be nice and easy if this were like just straight cover zero uh like and everybody does their job defensively this is exactly where the ball should go perfect great it's really well schemed the quarterback's eyes in the right spot here's the problem you knew you had seven guys in the line of scrimmage and i didn't see what the clock read when jalen first got to the line So I'll have to go back and see exactly what that looked like.
Starting point is 00:33:51 But you saw that you had seven guys in the line of scrimmage. You know, yeah, you've got this rub concept over on the left. But on the right hand side, you're running a, you're running Dallas Goddard on a double move down the scene, down the seam, which is wide open against a split safety. There's wide open lane right down the middle of the field. And that's exactly where Dallas God is going to roll. Let's go to the next shot.
Starting point is 00:34:11 Dallas Goddard is going to really, literally he's going to grow a little head nod. And he's not even trying to sell this because he's like, I've got no one to sell this to. There's nobody in my vicinity. There's no one in my radius here. I don't even need to throw this fake route. So let's go to the next shot. He is wide open.
Starting point is 00:34:27 The safety comes down on AJ. Dallas, Dallas moon walks into the end zone. And so, yeah, Devante, if this ball's on target to Devante, yeah, he probably scores. But he misses Dallas on a, like, and again, you get into like the, all right, well, it was man-to-man coverage. it's a busted covers from Chicago. Like you, Dallas shouldn't have been open. But again, if there are seven guys in the line of scrimmage, you have the split safety look.
Starting point is 00:34:55 If you have the time of the line of scrim, you should understand, like, you know, I might have this. And either way, then you had the bad miss physically to Devante. So that's, the past game's bad. Again, like right now, all we have is that, you know, this miss. I can't say I'm excited to go through the film. I'm not excited to go through this film. But I'm interested to go through the film and see, like,
Starting point is 00:35:16 all right, like, what did the rest of the past game look like? you know, Jalen Hurts is not playing well. The scheme is not doing many favors. To watch the Ben Johnson offense, it's a different sport with different rules. Like coaches playing by different rules. That's literally the way it looks when I watch these two offenses operate in the same field.
Starting point is 00:35:35 It's only one play, Fran, but is Jalen or Petulah worse than this? But that's, I mean, that's, yeah, that's not on Patuolo. No, Patuola did a great job. Yeah, right. I know, that's what I'm saying. It's only one play, but overall. yeah i mean well that's it's starting to feel like jay everybody's allowed to be responsible
Starting point is 00:35:51 sure yeah yeah jalen's not playing well you know we i got like some flack for mondays episode the film review from last week down dallas for like pointing out plays where jalen is playoff anyone raise your hand and say oh yeah like janet hurts deserves no blame for how this offense is look for the last month this offense does is not performing at a high let not even a high level like at a mediocre level it's it's it's a bad pass game right now with AJ Brown, Devante Smith, Dallas Goddard. Forget the, you know, the, yeah, the injuries, the offensive line. Like, the run game is not great right now either, but this past game is, is fruitless right now.
Starting point is 00:36:26 You said that Dallas guy. Who's that? I haven't seen him in the offense in weeks, Fran. Right. I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a rough watch right now. Ooh. Dallas Goddard's non-existed in this offense. Well, they had a nice catch in garbage time.
Starting point is 00:36:43 Well, they, they were dialing up like creative stuff from in the red zone. And, but the problem is they can't get to the red zone because it's all like, oh, it's either like explosives or three and out. That's what this offense is right now. Even if you look at like, you know, I was watching halftime and you guys, oh, yeah, the 30 yard of Devante. That's on like, it's a, again, it's like a little simple like RPO off to the side. Like they don't, they don't have anything that is sustainable like real offense from a past game standpoint. Don't they have to go back to the RPO then? Well, yeah, but that, but again, like at some point that's going to cap you, right? Like at some point, like we. It's not 2019. It's not where you could say, oh, we're going to build the whole boat out of it. You know, otherwise, like Miami would be in better shape than they're in. You know, that's the problem that Miami ran into. So it's not good.
Starting point is 00:37:29 Right. Okay. Well, let's turn our mood around and talk about something lighthearted, like the defense giving up 281 rushing yards. What do you want to tell us about what you saw from some of the stuff of them just getting blown off the ball? Yeah, I was obviously, look, it was a it was a rough start and the first couple drives you're like man like these guys are getting
Starting point is 00:37:50 bullied up front uh they're getting moved off the ball and the chicago's having their way this is and it wasn't even just like oh like this is what we've seen from chicago this is the first time since 1985 that chicago had a pair of a hundred yard rushers in a game you go back to like walter peyton this is the first time that they've had this level of success on the ground and so uh to me you look at this and say all right like why are they having their best day the defensive front did not perform well. Zach Bonn did not perform. This didn't seem like a great Zach Bond game. You had missed tackles at the third level. You know, Sidney Brown had a couple of misses. And we see a little bit of honestly, a little bit of all of it on the very first play. Let's go to the first one here,
Starting point is 00:38:28 Swift one. This is a first quarter of this is late first quarter. And again, you're getting a little bit of everything. This is when we talked about the, the Ben Johnson offense, the identity of this offense, you know, coming on Thursday show, sorry, they love to be condensed. They are going to play some smash mouth football. They're going to get into under center, and you're going to get some unique motions. Some of the stuff that we saw from Dallas last week, they do the same thing. And this is something that Dallas did against the Eagles a week ago. You bring the tight end in motion from left to right. It looks like he's coming across the formation, but very late, just before the snap, he pivots, and he's actually going to turn. He's going to block the opposite way.
Starting point is 00:39:06 It's going to be a WAM play against the defensive tackle, against Moore Ogembo. Let's go to the next shot. And you can see, all right, the tight end, he's going to block Ojamo. So he's going to create the seal right in the middle of the Eagles defense, right through the teeth of the defense. That creates one edge, one lane for D'Andre Swift on this run. If we go to the next shot, you see, all right, well, what are the other keys to this block? Well, you've got a double team at the point of attack against Jalen Carter. Carter got worked on these double teams throughout the first half. Now, he made some plays in the second half, and then there were other plays where he got moved
Starting point is 00:39:36 again. But here's an example of him getting worked by a double team. So he gets completely uprooted off his spot. Zach Bond tries to go back door on the guard on Joe Tunney so he tries to go back door and what this does because you got OJamo getting cut
Starting point is 00:39:49 on the on the WAM block let's go to the next shot you can see here's the lane here's the alley Ojamo's cut Bon goes back door Carter gets moved so now you've got the clean lane for DeAndre Swift and we know like if you can keep things clean
Starting point is 00:40:02 for DeAndre Swift that's where the explosiveness comes into play Sequin hasn't seen a hole like this since 2024 and so now you got Swift he's going to go go right through the teeth of the Eagles defense. He gets up to the second level. And we go to the next shot and you get a mistackle of the third level.
Starting point is 00:40:17 Sidney Brown comes in too hot. He doesn't break down. He cuts back. And this ends up going, I think it was, this was a 23 yarder there, towards the end of the first half or the end of the first quarter. Ugly. Not great. Jamie, I will let you know that I don't know if you've seen in the chat,
Starting point is 00:40:32 but your girls are in the chat telling you they love you and they miss you. Oh, Skyler, Paige, what up? That's nice. How you doing, girls? Football doesn't matter. good all right friend take us to play too let's go to uh to the last one i've got and this is the touchdown t d one uh this is a kyle menungai touchdown just going to be a zone play come on i'm man guy man guy that was that was a that was a rough joke that was a rough joke um let's go to
Starting point is 00:41:00 monong guy here zone play to the left and honestly this is pretty cut and dry because you've got it's basically going to be man on man up front like it's see you you see that the eagles how uh all the guys they have down on the line of scrimmage. So it's going to be one-on-one blocks for the most part. These double teams basically get taken out when you play a front the way that the Eagles are playing right now. So where is the read here from an un-guy? Let's go to the next shot.
Starting point is 00:41:23 And the crease comes from the right guard, Jonah Jackson, from media, from the Philly suburbs. He's on Jaylon Carter one-on-one. And he's going to take his outside arm, and he's going to go full extension right into Carter's outside armpit, and he's going to pin him inside. And we go to the next shot and you can see that
Starting point is 00:41:41 you get the push there from Jonah Jackson. Again, but collapses Carter inside and there's the, I mean, it's a very clean lane. You've got the other defensive tackle next to Carter, Byron Young.
Starting point is 00:41:52 He's working upfield against the potential boot. Nolan Smith gets blocked by the tight end on the backside. Nicobie's one-on-one with Darnell right, the right tackle. He's not going to win that.
Starting point is 00:42:02 That's not a battle that Nicobie's going to win. So Menangai walks into the end zone. It's a, they got worked up front. guys it was a it was not an ugly air was not a pretty day for the eagles defensive front viny when you watch i wish i had better news for you when when when you watch them getting blown up up front like that does that i mean we know that these are talented guys is that effort is
Starting point is 00:42:28 it execution attention to detail what what jumps out to you when you see that definitely the attention of detail because uh friend correct me if i'm wrong there's a couple more plays when had in the beginning they had design cut back plays like all the flow was going to one side and he just patiently waited patiently waited come back and it was nothing there so that had to be offensive film study from Chicago knowing that we're aggressive team once we get going we get going because it was yeah there were some players kept doing the same overall like they they spread it out against the Eagles base so you know you've got
Starting point is 00:43:09 Nolan Smith or whoever, you know, lined up over somebody in the slot. You've got like Moro Gimo playing like a pseudo-defensive end. And then he gets blocked down by the tight end. And there's, yeah, there's like a wide open lane there. It happened about four times. Yeah, and plays like that. When those kinds of things happen, you know,
Starting point is 00:43:27 sometimes it could be that the, all right, the backside linebacker over pursued or the safety on that side, you know, it was too aggressive playing downhill. Maybe a tight end kind of ran a route on the back side to take that defender away from the, run right there's all different reasons why something like that can happen but i agree there was too many times where the the front got bullied up front that gets the running back up to the second level and then all right where's that second level pursuit where's that backside fill uh and they were
Starting point is 00:43:54 non-existent and too many of those runs yeah all right so friend what's your uh we did i think we did did the panic meter earlier this week where you at now i was the highest on that you were the highest you're right uh it hasn't gone down friend last week you fired somebody how many turkeys yeah yeah you and by the way and by the way Fran let's talk about this
Starting point is 00:44:20 okay your boy the Eagles let Willie Lampkins practice window expire he now goes on injured reserve for the season for what
Starting point is 00:44:35 to keep Xavier Gibson on the roster not put him on injured reserve to keep a j dillon on the roster to be inactive every week what are we doing i gave you my gibson thoughts last week and like why why i don't why why is he still the team you brought up covey like oh it was just a one week benching like well why is zavier gibson on the team uh i agree i don't even why is a jillian on the team you couldn't breathe some life to try and do something a little different uh with with maybe they just say they look at lampkin as how it's a it's a pure a red shirt year. Maybe that's the case.
Starting point is 00:45:11 But yeah. He's healthy. Try something. Yeah. I mean, they got Tank Bigsby. They don't even use him. They've got three guys. AJ Dillon's not active. What are they? Saving him for next year? They're going to be playing a meaningless week 18
Starting point is 00:45:27 game. Let's see. Willie Lamp. Saving his legs for the playoffs. Unbelievable. How many turkeys would you put on this team missing the playoffs? seven seven that's missing the playoffs that's way too like I come that seven would require like a that would be a collapse collapse there was a game and a half up on the Cowboys I know I you know when you say it like that but I'll tell you boy I
Starting point is 00:46:00 know we put in perspective today it had me like damn I mean if they if if they play like they play today they're not going to win any games if they if they if they if they miss the playoffs it's uh yeah those difficult conversations are going to be had i mean they're going to happen anyway they if they limp they could limp into the playoffs the way that they're playing three seed four seed you know whatever and even maybe steal a game like beat tampa on the road whatever it's going to be it's going to be rough uh rough conversations to be had all right friend well enjoy the weekend smoking any needs No, we got like birthday parties and christenings and stuff like that
Starting point is 00:46:43 and all to be watching football. Which game are you most excited about tomorrow? Ohio State, Michigan. I'm actually excited for Texas, Texas, Texas, or Texas A&M tonight as well. Okay. That's night game. We'll enjoy the weekend. We will talk to on Monday to break down the nonsense from the Eagles today.
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Starting point is 00:49:38 Back on the PHA Y Eagles podcast, post game show, Vinny versus his phone is somehow a bigger mismatch than the Eagles against the Bears today. What is going on? What is going on? First of all, y'all,
Starting point is 00:49:52 I've got no country music and it's playing country music. You're being exposed right now. This is crazy, well. Mr. Country, Vinny. A jelly roll guy. That's my one. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:50:07 Technology is your enemy. This is good stuff. I think we got something. You got to the bottom of it? No, but... My phone was in my back pocket, but it hit a button, and now maybe the chat know how to get it off.
Starting point is 00:50:33 Now I say, it's a voice overactivated. Like, what does that mean? He said, triple click and slide. What does that mean? Oh, man. Bezos. Anyway, let's get to the super chats here before we get to the B for the week.
Starting point is 00:50:52 More from you guys. Living through Music, KC, says, can someone explain all these baffling late game coaching decisions this year? They are making me lose my damn. mind. There has been a lot of them. I think the one today he's referencing is going for two.
Starting point is 00:51:10 I think that's the right ball. Yeah, I think it was fine. I think he's talking about the lack of punning in the weeks prior previous. Yeah, this, my criticisms of Siriani for today's game would have really nothing to do with the game management and more just getting the team ready to play. Yeah. But, yeah. MFG Dogg says, is this loss all on Siriani Petula? Siriani Petulow, or should the Eagles consider sitting Jalen down?
Starting point is 00:51:41 Yeah. That's not going to happen. I mean, listen, there's no bigger Tanner McKee fan than me. You can't do that. You do that, you do that, and it's over. You are never coming back from that if you do that. Yeah, you can't. You can't do that.
Starting point is 00:52:00 Yeah. and you would like if there is some now is there someone in the building who might try to run gillan over in the parking lot maybe if there's a you know a hope of moving them one day too you can't you can't you cannot do that you would devalue
Starting point is 00:52:15 all trade value if you benched him in week 14 it cannot do that yeah no are there people who might want to see what it would look like with tanner macki in the building sure we've seen crazy stuff we've seen the yeah we've seen crazy
Starting point is 00:52:31 Yeah, people in this building or the Nova Gear building? No, I know Noah is a jailing guy. How is Noah handling all of this? No matter what, he's got jailing's back. Yeah, I mean, but I just think he, I think all kids is having a mouth down right now. They never seen the Eagles look like this. It's been a while.
Starting point is 00:52:57 well i would say nine year olds eight year old seven years sure the eagles look like this well it's been two years yeah oh no i don't like this last two years ago they was too young to understand two years okay all right i got you david collier i just got sent an eagles meme of jalen it's j jay mccarthy and jaylain hurts jersey so i mean that's even that's that's unfair to jaylin david collier though uh along the same lines i think it's time
Starting point is 00:53:25 we have a serious discussion about Hertz he's holding this offense back it needs to be McKee time please discuss just not realistic it goes back to what we talk about well welcome to Philadelphia
Starting point is 00:53:44 it would be heaviest the head that wears the crown I'm telling you yes that goes that goes for Nick it goes for Jalen it goes for Petulow when you are in the spotlight in these jobs. If you are not doing a great job,
Starting point is 00:53:58 you're going to hear about it, and you're going to get the blame. That's part of the deal. Wow. Crazy that we're here. Miss Mr. Instinct. Love Jalen. But wow.
Starting point is 00:54:15 I see why there's rumblings of his personality. Every cut of him on camera, he's on the bench by himself. no iPad no coach in his ear now in fair I tend to agree with this a little bit
Starting point is 00:54:33 but in fairness he's the same way when they're winning Super Bowls too that's true so like that is his that's just who he is so like when you're winning nobody cares
Starting point is 00:54:44 when things are unraveling people care so I don't disagree with the sentiment you know I'd love to see my quarterback grab people by the face mask and do the Brady and you know bang on the shoulder pads and rah rah that's not Jalen so he can't be that all of a sudden
Starting point is 00:55:04 then it would be disingenuous well and you're right and he is so singularly focused yeah locked in and not concerned with being one of the guys and the problem with that is when you're winning that's great yeah when you're not winning or when you're not playing well if you're not one of the guys then the guys are going to be like, well, what's up with that guy?
Starting point is 00:55:28 Yeah. You know? Heavy is the head. Listen, I'll play with somebody who ate day lunch in the car, so. How dare you? I just say, bro, you know that. Bo, you was there.
Starting point is 00:55:43 How dare you, Vin. You were there. That was my segment partner and Bird on a Wire. When Nomdi and I would compare, players on the team to characters from the wire
Starting point is 00:55:57 I think that was the greatest content that the league has ever produced and let's be honest I was like one of the nominees's favorites yeah you call you you know there's rookie duties a juice
Starting point is 00:56:10 yeah anyway yeah but yeah we've seen strange things in the brain listen I think I feel like my my opinion on that has changed over the years at this point in my life what's better than a lunch in the car by yourself getting a little time
Starting point is 00:56:24 Yeah, it's not bad A little me time I mean Joe Flaggos I was out of a couple weeks ago He was just out of the bar Having a lunch You know She's not the car
Starting point is 00:56:34 Was nom Maybe when you're the new guy Who's getting paid a lot of money Is that the smartest thing? Probably not Was NMdi a huge wire fan Is that how you Yeah he was yeah
Starting point is 00:56:42 I mean it's great show He's a film producer now I don't know Yeah he's big He's nominated for something recently Yeah doing great for itself So I feel like To this day
Starting point is 00:56:51 I always tell myself man, he was in that car making business calls and sending emails and anything. He was a very smart dude. He was so business savvy off the field. It was crazy. And I was just, I was like the only rookie that hung with him. So I was like taking all the nons.
Starting point is 00:57:08 I was with everybody. Of course you do. I'm starting to notice that. I'm glad to say that. And by the way, welcome to the show, Namdi, awesome. What's coming on? I'm glad you said that.
Starting point is 00:57:19 Lindsay, do we have the clip from our interview with Malcolm Jenkins that we can? play that's all right well let's let's pull it in the second because you're gonna like this have to show you something might save your day from talk we talked to Malcolm today before he was inducted into the Hall of Fame and um he did he did set something straight um that's what I say to you oh all right so one of those was sick in my seat is there going to be beef maybe but we'll get to the bottom of that we got to just just the little clip Lindsay not the whole thing All right, more superchats.
Starting point is 00:57:53 Brian Backer. Fran Duffy for O.C. We agree. D&B Mix. Keep the status quo on O is a slow death into mediocrity. Not making a change. It's playing not to lose. Daniel Reesonbach.
Starting point is 00:58:17 The scheme to control the TOC against the kings of the three and out was waiting for a clever coach to use. The inaction with Trust Us is Biden 24 vibes. Okay. Air and D. Defense wasn't great, but we need to score
Starting point is 00:58:39 more than 24 points against Chicago. Dee has been carrying us all year. God! Jose Garcia. I don't know why we thought the game plan would change on offense when there has been no sign that they would. This team might need B.D. Nick as offensive coordinator. Will Madden says ban first down runs.
Starting point is 00:59:11 This offense is doing the defense a favor every design that isn't downfield or intermediate to A.J. Brown or Devante Smith. Aaron D says Vinnie for O.C. I'll probably be fired in the first five minutes. I don't know though. Everybody's got a price. Listen, everybody, we say what we want to be in that seat.
Starting point is 00:59:40 These are very difficult jobs. Hell yeah. They're very difficult jobs. Especially on this team. No doubt about it. About seven different alphas. and I don't do good like that too many personalities for me
Starting point is 00:59:56 okay all right let's get to the righteous felon beef of the week tough choices for you here Vinny the defensive line got blown off the ball and the offensive line wasn't much better
Starting point is 01:00:13 so in a game in which they got dominated on the line of scrimmage do you give it to somebody or do you like call someone else out and say you got beef I would say I just got beef from the way we played defensively I you know too many like I say I know I keep going back to this guys but you guys got to understand you know it's just saying there's a there's a standard at the at the NovaCare that we say single-digit miss tackles when
Starting point is 01:00:42 you games double digit miss tackles lose you games and I think today we had double-digit mistackle so that's my beef all right Vinny Curry's beef of the week is with a bunch of miss tackles on defense so we're gonna cut in 281 yards rushing and I can I get the cow noise again
Starting point is 01:01:01 that's one of the cows we got to pick down because that cow was sick all right shout out to our friends of righteous felon use promo code p. H.L.25 for 25% off your order right now righteous felon all right viny i told you we talked to malcolm jenkins about you i had one important
Starting point is 01:01:27 question to ask him let's find out what he said oh all right last thing i got to get you on the record on because we have we have viny curry who does the post game show with us he wants everybody to know we all we got we all we need is it true that that is vinnies no that was mine i'm joking i'm I'm completely joking. Now, Vinny, I'm going to go on the record. Vinny Curry started, we all we got, we all we need. I think he started it maybe the season before we actually won the Super Bowl. I think so.
Starting point is 01:01:56 And, you know, because he was the one that did the majority of the pregame breaks. That was his. I'll go on the record. All right. My dog. Yeah. Zach, I hope you're watching that. Let's get to that.
Starting point is 01:02:11 Put it in the Super. The Super Chat comments. There we go. We finally got it settled. Congratulations, Michael. Hall of Fame. You deserve that. It was a beast.
Starting point is 01:02:25 Oh, my gosh. What's your favorite Malcolm Jenkins' memory? Sometimes I just try to my mom. Magu will see me pressing and be like, Vita, I don't do it, bro. It's like, oh, come on, man. And we work together mostly because he always got bought down in the box.
Starting point is 01:02:41 And so we'll be, I want to say married to him, but we worked together a lot on a couple things. Even Michael O'Reilly, you know, all the troops to understand that we always had a fighting chance no matter to score, you know. And that's what today I'm looking at the defense play. I didn't see, that was a good reminder. I have time to watch him get inducted to the Hall of Fame and to watch these games by then.
Starting point is 01:03:11 They need a guy like that on their football team. Well said. Amen. They didn't have that today. No. My favorite Malcolm memory besides the hit had to be him and Chris Long being miced up together when he said, you know, pipe down. I'm miced up today.
Starting point is 01:03:30 And Chris was like, did you get that rash cleared up yet? It's very good. That was an all-timer. But the hit, I mean, he was immortalized with Jordan Specter and the, and the, card today. The hit was I mean, whew, clean. It's out. So we've got a nice, really full conversation
Starting point is 01:03:49 with Malcolm Jenkins, which you can check out on the PHY YouTube feed coming up this weekend and on the shows next week. So we look forward to letting you check that out. A lot of insight. A lot of good insight from Malcolm. Rivera, 30, says, A lot of Byron Young today. Why? He made a good play. He made a good play.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Jordan Davis had a nice play. Yeah, Jordan Davis. That's all right. pretty good day. I think if you were going to have to pick a beat for the week, Lyman, it probably would have been Jordan Davis. Dude, my wife texts me that. Jordan Davis should be your beef for the week. Oh. It was like a tiger for loss.
Starting point is 01:04:21 Here we go. I told me she might have to rephrase that. Ayusha, I felt that despite the team's struggles, the crowd went overboard today. Can we ask Vinny's perspective on hearing so much booing as a fan?
Starting point is 01:04:41 So, yes, so it's the day after Thanksgiving. People are family is in town. Hey, you want to come to the game? I got a ticket. Hey, I got a ticket. Hey, I got a ticket. You want to show your Eagles off? You know, it's like showing off a brand new car when your family comes in town
Starting point is 01:04:56 and the car won't start. Like, what the hell? Now you're calling the dealership like, hey, come get this. So, you know. So, you know, I'm not saying the Eagles look like a lemon, but, uh... That they look like a lemon off of it. You're sitting there. it's it's freezing cold yeah oh the amount of people i saw on my timeline
Starting point is 01:05:16 who i know for are from out of town that were at the game today was like 10 plus you know dude there's people leaving um sitting was empty yeah it was crazy it was crazy that's got a lorry i would love to be a fly on the wall not even you know listen not only just mr lorry don't don't think how we not pissed yes let me tell you well we were so tight niche how we and he would you would yo dude you like yo man like you like you know man like what are you doing? No, he will come at you. He ain't like, don't think he ain't going to speak his mind.
Starting point is 01:05:48 He definitely going to speak his mind. Does that happen in the locker room or is that, like, immediate or is that the next day? Like, when does that usually come down? When everybody, when they, should they do the team meeting, they do the team in, which would probably be, what, Sunday. They probably get the team off Tuesday, so probably they get the weekend off, like a little mini-bye. I don't know if they're going to get them.
Starting point is 01:06:11 off at this point, but he, yeah, he'll be down there. He's going to let you know, like, yo, mom, you better pick it up, you know. And right now we're at the state of the season is that, like you said, we were one game and a half up on the Cowboys. And these jokes coming out of nowhere and they're creeping up on us. So that's what the booze was about, more people in town, try to show off, you know, your new girlfriend and, you know, she got holotosis.
Starting point is 01:06:37 That's how to, you know, that's how I looked it to. was bad man ugly well speaking of that and Jeffrey and Howie not being very happy we have a little clip from Nick Siriani's press conference courtesy of EJ Smith when he was asked about whether he would consider any changes to the game day operation something you'll evaluate with that outcome you know we'll evaluate obviously everything but like I said you guys you know when you win when you lose it's never about one person we all collectively have to do a better job and that's going to be starting with us as coaches starting with me as coach finding
Starting point is 01:07:19 solutions to you know getting the offense going and so I'll put that you know on us as a staff and put that on me most individually there to help get you know get this thing going in the right direction but yeah no I still still stay with that you can it's the greatest teacher support there is and it's never about one person. We all have to look internally and I'll get better in coaches and players. All right. There you go. We'll hear more from what the locker room and Nick Siriani said from EJ Smith in just a few minutes. Continuing to run through the superchats, Sean Wolford with a generous super chat, says success in the NFL is tough. But those who are,
Starting point is 01:08:04 have a great QB and coach combo. At some point, Howie and Lurie need to. to make a decision to figure out because outside of 2022 with Stuyken this marriage has been hard to watch in their defense they did win the Super Bowl last year I think
Starting point is 01:08:24 I think this is probably the last week of saying that sure but I just mean in their specific marriage they did win the Super Bowl yeah but yes I think you can also argue that
Starting point is 01:08:37 other than 2022 they have consistently under a on offense, given the talent that they have. And Jalen's what now, if they make a move this off season, which at this point I'd be shocked if they didn't. He'll be 11 offensive coordinators in 12 years going in the next season. It's nuts.
Starting point is 01:08:57 That's bat bleat. It's been very hard for me not to curse today. Guano. Bumblebee tuna. Matthew Greenwood. Jalen Carter looked great today the play after he was mad at Caleb Williams for celebrating the jump off sides.
Starting point is 01:09:14 Someone needs to piss him off every game. Jason Henning got my son eight row tickets today for his birthday. Cost a fortune. It was his first game. I don't think he's going to want to come back.
Starting point is 01:09:36 Dude, what's your son name? Let's give Grayson a happy birthday. Happy birthday, to make a good. Happy birthday, Grayson. Can I buy Grayson a Ph.L.Y. T-shirt and sign it. Grayson, please don't judge the holotosis on today. Understand that the Eagles will be better. We're going to get our breathments.
Starting point is 01:09:57 Yes. Grayson. Happy birthday, dude. Yeah. Awesome. Grayson's dad, if you're still watching, you want to send me an email, Jamie J-A-M-I-E at all-H-L-H-L-Y-E at all-H-L-H-L-H-L. Y.com, I will gladly
Starting point is 01:10:12 Toothpaste. Get you something from Mr. Vinicari autographed your way, all right? So hit me up. That's great. Yeah, we'll get that out to you. You can't lose no Eagle fans now. You can't, oh, not especially at the younger age.
Starting point is 01:10:26 I like that. That's brutal. First game is that. I remember my first game. It was a 10-9 victory over the Packers at the vet. Nice. Yeah, it was a missed Packers field goal at the end. And I had drunken 700 level.
Starting point is 01:10:40 chubby men hugging me and high-fiving me and I was like I was hooked for life it was the greatest beautiful yeah so Grayson I'm sorry you didn't get that experience today D&B mix rough games on short weeks Thursday versus the Giants and today
Starting point is 01:10:57 interesting point that's true they have not been ready for these short week games yeah and it's it's in contrast to the classic Doug Peterson where they always won their Thursday night games with Doug and he would always say that his wife was like, well, why don't you just do every week
Starting point is 01:11:13 like Thursday night? It was the ice cream. Dougie P's ice cream was the air-down game plan. It was crazy because Doug Pee used to be like, the whole world was watching. You know, it was just, I get you fired up, them late-night speeches. Yeah. Well, the Bears also were on a short week and they had no problem. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:11:33 Good for the Bears. You know what? I don't have any distaste for the Bears. No, I don't either. Good for them. Yeah. They came in here and punched the eagles in the mouth. They should feel good.
Starting point is 01:11:42 They should. They're probably going to win the North. They have now swept the NFC East. This, by the way, this is Nick Serrani's first ever lost to the AFC or to the NFC North. 11 and one? Yeah. Is it? Wow.
Starting point is 01:11:55 And us selfishly in the company are. We got, yeah. We're Owen three versus one and two. One in three. Oh, and three? Well, week one, Dallas. Oh, right, right, right. Yeah, one and three.
Starting point is 01:12:09 Yeah, not great. Yeah, ugly. Tom Patterson, the issue is the O-line can't do anything. Can that issue be fixed, please? If yes, the Super Bowl is back on. They got to recover, man. Need stop to run that big check. That's the hardest thing about coming into a season
Starting point is 01:12:28 of going so far. Body still beat up, still recovering. And then that's not, the NFC East is no joke. And the schedule this season so far up to this point It has been no joke for the Eagles. It's true. And listen, I don't, all the comparisons to 2023 are probably overblown,
Starting point is 01:12:47 but there is similarity here in like, you were beat up coming off the Super Bowl. You're able to get through the beginning of the schedule, which seems really difficult. The hardest part. The hardest part. And then like something just gives out against what is supposed to be an easy part of the stretch.
Starting point is 01:13:05 And that is kind of how this is shaping out right now. It's wild to think back and look at the schedule and how well they perform versus now you have the cupcakes. Yeah. And my confidence in beating the Raiders and commanders is taking a blow. D&B Mix. Bears O equals 4D Chess. Eagles O equals checkers. Sam G.
Starting point is 01:13:32 We know Petulow can't call plays. We have seen Nick struggle to call plays. I think we know. know the only option left. AI play calling. Uh-oh. Sam, you get the hell out of this show. Go become a Cowboys fan.
Starting point is 01:13:49 I don't ever want to see you again in this chat. Oh, hey, AI. What if they come out and say it was AI calling to play? That would explain a lot. Phil's fan at NC. With the way Nick relentlessly defends Petulow, I'm starting to think Nick believes this mess falls in Galen's lap.
Starting point is 01:14:10 Wouldn't have thought so before, but it is becoming glaring. Now, listen, even if Nick is crushing Petulow during the week, he's going to defend him publicly. And frankly, this is a thing that we know about Nick, is that he is actually very hard on the coaches behind closed doors. How close is their relationship? Are they good friends, or are they just guys that have coached together for a while? I think I would be speaking I think I don't know the actual answer to that Because the public perception is like
Starting point is 01:14:43 Well I mean it's fair to say When Nick flew in to take the job Petula was on the flight with him He was the first guy who he was bringing with him That's tough Yeah Sean Wolford I should have worded that better
Starting point is 01:14:57 It was really the passing game That struggled outside 2022 That's true the discourse about the eagles is not going to be not going to be a fun one we got a long road to the next game long week and you have a whole day and a half before more football starts up again and the eagles are going to be smack dab
Starting point is 01:15:18 in the middle of the crosshairs here of national pundits all right let's see lindsay's got a nice pull up what's your panic meter ranking for this offense Uh, 4% 0% to 40% Not worried 2%. 40% to 75%
Starting point is 01:15:37 Pretty panicked 15%. Very panicked 32%. Over 100% 3 alarm fire 51% Evacuate the building
Starting point is 01:15:49 says over half the chat I'm shocked it's not a little higher to be honest Well I feel like that's 19% 80 some 85% or so that's very concerned yeah yeah yeah my great all right let's take a quick break come back talk about this game a little bit more maybe some leftovers and then we'll hear from me j smith live at the link here on the p h.m. Eagles post game show I got a weird text
Starting point is 01:16:25 the other day I didn't recognize the number and said hey bow this is a.J. Dylan, please come over and watch the game with me. And I said, okay, then I like, there's a little back and forth. I had to make sure that it was actually AJ Dylan. I had to prove it. Eventually, we got there, gave me the address. I got there. Like, okay, why is he inviting me over to watch the game? This will be fun. Then I get there? Total mess. I mean, lagging, buffering, switching between apps trying to find the game. He claimed he was a big fan. I felt like I was fanfished. Because if you call yourself a football fan. You got to have Xfinity. It's the ultimate sports destination. You can find the best
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Starting point is 01:18:28 brothers, real deals, and a whole lot of honking good service. Shop now at elkundshevillet.com. Together, let's drive. Welcome back to the P.HILY Eagles postgame show. Here from me, J. Smith in just a few minutes. Until then, a couple leftovers. We should say, I mean,
Starting point is 01:18:46 not a, not a factor in the game, but that OPI on A.J. Brown, that was pretty bad call. Horrible. And then did not call the one on Devante Smith. The one on Devante was insane. And, I mean, credit to Terry McCauley Because on both of those plays Al and Kirk were like
Starting point is 01:19:05 Well, this looks like the right call I don't see anything here, that's good And they go to Terry's like He gave him a really good I mean the Devante Smith one Was as blatant pass interference As you ever see Yeah, that was nuts
Starting point is 01:19:21 I saw a stat earlier today And look, the Eagles didn't lose Because we're complaining about the refs But it was the last two games the amount of, like, the penalty in favor of Dallas versus the Chiefs and Eagles is, like, astronomical. I'll have to dig it up, but it was like a wild stat I saw. Cowboys, Jerry sent a big check to Raj for the script.
Starting point is 01:19:42 He's cooking. Sidney Brown playing this game. He stinks. Yeah, I mean, it's not his fault. It's not very good. That's... I mean like A nice guy
Starting point is 01:20:00 I'm sure he is I think it's probably time for the egos to retire the red star system in their draft process but I mean he had a guy in the end zone
Starting point is 01:20:11 yeah Caleb Williams misses a throw it's a four point swing is wide open he was open by nine yards yeah two of them it's painful to watch him
Starting point is 01:20:22 play it's painful to watch him play you know man he broke he broke to him Akuba's ankle he got in Quinyon's way like the guy's a chaos agent not the good kind
Starting point is 01:20:38 maybe my boy should start a fight again that's the best thing he brings to the team body slam some guys on special teams do something maybe the team would respond to that some fight not spit that guys yeah why not get nuts.
Starting point is 01:20:54 Oh, man. Oh, man. I mean, it was nice. It was kind of fun to watch an offense that had some fun stuff to it on the other side.
Starting point is 01:21:08 Oh. When they weren't just jamming the ball down the defense's throat. Somebody said Brown had a great game today. What? I hope that's unjust. That's Ben Johnson. By the way, Ben Johnson's Jack.
Starting point is 01:21:23 He was on Amazon Prime Dude's cut up He's shirtless in the locker room The Bears are having a great time In Mr. Lorry's house Taking his shirt off Putting his feet on the couch Saying screw your couch
Starting point is 01:21:37 Charlie Murphy Wow Not good I mean dig up some Snap counts for you But This was not even like that interesting of a game. Like, all the guys were on the field, and they weren't very good.
Starting point is 01:21:55 We've got to cut of Sequan, too, saying that the game was weird. Told you. Do we have it to play? That game was definitely weird. Let's play it. Seekwa? It was different. It felt weird out there.
Starting point is 01:22:08 I think we should have to do a better job of, you know, keep the drives going. That's kind of like the biggest take where I take in this game. That's something that we have to address. There's something to change. There's something. Big need to change to the offense to function? I don't think something big needs to change. The sky's falling out outside of locker.
Starting point is 01:22:32 We understand that. But I have nothing but the most confidence in the moment as a lot of the play. Yeah, I mean, enough of, well, outside the locker and the sky's falling in. You're like, you guys can say that. I mean, give me a break. They know. A.J. Brown's saying it a couple lockers down from you. you know what I mean like
Starting point is 01:22:53 it's like it's inside give me a break too yeah as oh well they're like you guys you guys don't believe but we we know we got it then prove it what does 11 feel it feels good tonight
Starting point is 01:23:08 defensive snap counts they played 85 snaps they played 90 last week 85 snaps in this game 175 snaps in the last two weeks Man, cold tough, fellas, cold tough. Oh. That's outrageous.
Starting point is 01:23:28 All of them by Zach Bonn. Hold on, let me make sure that I got the right thing here. Yeah, okay. All of them by Zach Bonn, Reed Blankenship, Cooper DeGine, Quine, Mitchell, 83 from Sidney Brown. 80 from Nekobie Dean. Is this right? Jihad Campbell didn't play in this game. Somebody in the chat.
Starting point is 01:23:50 And shout out whoever it was a little while ago, said, did Jihad Campbell even play today? Jahad Campbell did not play a snap on defense in this game. That's crazy. That's your first round pick. Enough. He's got to be on the field. Now, I know you couldn't count on Nacobie coming back from an injury and all that,
Starting point is 01:24:10 but now to see Nacobie playing at the level he's playing at, man, it feels like a wasted first round pick. And that's not to say he's going to be a waste in time, but now you're a team in need of help in some areas. Also, I don't know. In a game when it seems like nobody wants to be on the field, maybe see what, maybe see if he does something?
Starting point is 01:24:29 That's crazy. Not a single snap? That's nuts. Wow. 65 from Jalen Phillips. 60 from Jalen Carter. 60 from Morrow Jemo. 59 from Jalix Hunt.
Starting point is 01:24:46 58 from Jordan Davis. That's a lot of Jordan. Jordan Davis snaps, 51 from Adoree Jackson, 38 from Byron Young. Okay, so we got 38 Byron Young snaps and none for Jehad Campbell. 34 for Nolan Smith, six for BG, one for Michael Carter.
Starting point is 01:25:04 That's baffling. 38 from Ryan Young and six for BG. Yeah. I don't know if I like that. I agree with you. And the game like this, I don't know, I don't know if I like that. Especially when they're running.
Starting point is 01:25:16 You know? by the way Julia chimes in from afar she'd like to get a contribution to the postgame show and she said that AJ Brown had a great game in fantasy nice thank you Julia so everybody all the AJ Brown owners out there I'm very happy for you there you go
Starting point is 01:25:32 all right let's do it let's dial up the Xfinity mobile call in line and send it to the frigid temperatures at the link EJ not even going with a jacket just sweater.
Starting point is 01:25:48 E.J. Smith. Our Eagles Insider. How are you, my friend? I'm doing well. I got a lot of locker room notes. I know that it was and take us through what's and take us through what's in E.J.'s notebook.
Starting point is 01:26:13 I don't know. Lori cut the one. Wi-Fi. All right. Let's start with the question that I think all of Philadelphia is wondering. Our change is needed on the offensive staff. You know, Nick Siriani said after the game that they are not making a change. F.A caller is how he put it.
Starting point is 01:26:36 He said they're going to evaluate everything, but he said that he has confidence in Kevin. And then, you know, the overall message was that there were a lot of things causing the offensive struggle. It is not just Kevin Petullo. So, again, players echoed that sentiment. They said that it was a crisis to this offensive staff. The next thing, the unacceptable run defense is what you heard in the Eagles locker. And Jalen Phillips called it unacceptable. And Kobe Dean said, if you're a defensive coordinator, you start with stopping the run. And the Eagles weren't able to do that, obviously, against the Bears this evening. And then the final thing is that there was definitely a sentiment that the sky is not falling in the Eagles locker.
Starting point is 01:27:15 You know, Cam Juergen said that the habit they formed the season is winning four games in a row, losing two in a row, and then going on and winning the next four. He said, let's go in the next four. I know that that's probably, but I do think that that was definitely, it definitely was a sentiment in the Eagles locker and after the game to them. Okay, before we get to the other reporting notes that you have
Starting point is 01:27:39 and what else you heard from the players, I want to know what you think. Do you agree with that? Do you think the sky is not falling? I do not. I think that even Cam Juergens' evaluation of the four straight wins, we were talking about a lot of these things when they were winning games. And, you know, Jalen Hertz says this, says this often that the things that don't get you, they don't, things, some things don't get you until they do. And I think we've seen that in these last two games, you know, especially on offense, these prolonged stretches where they consistently put the defense in bad situations, you know, those prolonged stretches of, you know, stagnation in the three and outs. there's a lot of reasons to not have confidence in this Eagles offense figuring it out.
Starting point is 01:28:18 You know, my main takeaway after this game is if it's not Kevin Petullo, if it's not just one thing, then have a solution for the way that they look on offense right now. And I'm starting to wonder, you know, if the answer to that question is no. I mean, you know, it's getting late in the season. You know, a lot of the guys even talked about the urgency has to pick up to figure out what's go, what, where to go with this Eagles offense. And yeah, again, it doesn't seem like they have answers. it sure doesn't because if they had answers it seems like they would have come already this has been
Starting point is 01:28:47 as as franist duly pointed out post by when you would have thought that they could put some answers together they've been one of the worst offenses in football the last four weeks so the answers are not there right now we'll see what they can do in terms of what you did see what were sort of the scenes of the locker room and what was the vibe in there given the way that they sort of got manhandled in this game yeah so the first thing i noticed is that jalen hertz was in the corner of the locker room having a conversation with Kevin Petulow. Just before I hopped on with you guys, I heard Jalen Hertz say that he has a lot of confidence in Kevin Petulow. And, you know, I thought that that conversation was an interesting one. Again, we've seen sometimes J.Len Hertz is,
Starting point is 01:29:25 you know, very quick out of the locker room. And this was not one of those evenings. And then you saw Devante Smith, A.J. Brown and Sequin Barkley all sitting at their locker, still in their game pants, kind of talking through the game afterward. You know, we heard from A.J. Brown and Saquan Barkley afterward, DeVante said that he had to go to the trainer. So we did not hear from him but you know definitely um i wouldn't say it was maybe a somber of a locker room as you would have expected but definitely some frustration some palpable frustration when you first walked in there what did a jay say um you know a j said that uh you know it's obviously a frustrating game here i got my notes here um yeah the thing i wrote down with a jay was that he he really did not
Starting point is 01:30:03 appreciate the question on uh if changes were needed with the offense but you know i i he said that what you'd expect him to say i think he's been very careful and what he said, and, you know, he said that he was confident that the offense is going to be able to figure this down. You know, was it the most, like, full, full-hearted, like, vote of confidence? Not necessarily, but, yeah, he was, I think he's trying to just stay under the radar at this point. It would be my evaluation on AJ's press conference. Now, Sequin, I know he said the thing about this, this game was kind of weird. It was, it was also an interesting flow for him usage-wise.
Starting point is 01:30:39 What did he say about that? yeah he said it was it was a weird game he said that you know it was kind of the the state of the game that led to him only having those 13 carries I didn't think that too few you know in terms of his usage but yeah no I definitely he just kept that going that it was a weird game it was you know you didn't get a good feel for the game and my my guess is when you're going three and out as often as the Eagles offense does it is going to feel weird it's you know you're not going to get into a rhythm. And they've been, you know, among a very, a multitude of things, they have been arithmetic a lot this season. So, yeah, I think that you can attribute it to that. I mean, if you
Starting point is 01:31:18 look at Sequin's numbers, kind of like if you look at Jalen Hertz's numbers, it don't look terrible. You know, the average yards per carry weren't terrible. But you think back in the game, there were a few instances where they had negative runs that really put them behind the sticks, which, as we know, if the Eagles offense gets behind the sticks, they got no answers for those those situations. So I definitely think there was some costly runs and kind of contributed to that number. And then one of the times they did get behind the sticks, they actually get out of it with an AJ Brown first down. That's a garbage OPI call. Yeah. Yeah. AJ didn't, he kind of no-souled the question about that. You know, he was a little bit, I would say he's trying to,
Starting point is 01:31:59 I get careful with how he answered that one. Did you hear anything about the, the push, Fumble? Yeah, Jalen said that that's on him. You know, he said that he was hoping that his forward progress had been stopped and that they had blown the play dead. He mentioned the Giants game where his forward progress was blown dead before the fumble. But now, he was critical of himself and the two and the turnovers. I mean, maybe that isn't necessarily the lesson a lot of people will take from the game, but it's definitely something that Jalen harped on. And, you know, it's something that they consistently harp on. E.J., what were your feelings about going for the two point conversion when they did? Bow and I agreed. I see some chatter in the chat.
Starting point is 01:32:34 right now about it. People disagreed with it. Was there any talk of it in the locker room? Probably not, but what did you think about it? Yeah, Nick Siriani alluded to what I expected him to allude to. And it's the reason I don't have an issue with it. You want to know what you need as early in the game as you possibly can. So if you convert there, you know, you make it a one possession game and you know you
Starting point is 01:32:55 only need the one possession. But to have that information earlier in the game makes more sense than leaving it until the end of the game. I understand it kind of keeps the hope alive. necessarily, you know, per se, but it's definitely, to me, I mean, the analytics support it, and I do think philosophically it makes sense. You know, I've come on here and been critical of Nick Siriani's fourth quarter decisions in the past, but the two-point conversion there, I think that that does make sense with the conventional, or, you know, maybe not the conventional
Starting point is 01:33:21 thinking, but the, the advanced sort of the way that the game has evolved. It's not really even an analytics thing. It's, it doesn't, it doesn't change the wind probability too much it's just about like knowing it's more of like a human dynamics thing yeah i did speaking of aggressiveness i did find jalen i found it interesting that jalen hurts he was talking about the tempo that kind of got them out of out of a rut offensively he talked about i have it written down here he said the tempo equals aggressiveness you know it's it's when you can dictate terms to the defense and he thinks that that that was maybe the thing that kind of got them going which you know brings they do that more often right can't they dictate terms to the defense more frequently
Starting point is 01:34:03 absolutely be aggressive the professor was tweeting about it he said stop huddling than us like yeah he said never huddle again i think yeah yeah never huddle again i think it was the tweet i heard ej usually i'm saying tempo and not huddle again there's a guy on this tree chip chip chip chip chip chip chip chip yeah how you feel about that ben i i was actually looking forward to the reders i know i cannot believe we got got robbed of this homecoming game. That's crazy. Then I read a report.
Starting point is 01:34:40 Yeah, that he wasn't... Like calling players that weren't in the game plan? Yeah. I wasn't tagging motions and stuff like that. I don't know if I believed that report. Well, it's always... I mean, a guy gets fired and then all of a sudden you get a bunch of reports, but blowing this guy.
Starting point is 01:34:54 Especially a surly guy that blows off half his organization. What about the offensive line? E.J., I know that you talked to them and Kim Juergens had some thoughts. yeah you know he's definitely more polyanish than I think a lot of fans are and that was the big takeaway I had from him but I do think in general just like in the beginning of the season when he said that the rushing that the rushing game was exactly like it was a season ago yeah he said that Sequin was on the same pace he was last year I think I think he looks at the wind column and he points to that but he did say that they were the sloppier team and that's why they lost and you know I think watching it back, it was clear that the Eagles offensive line, it just feels like across the board. It almost, it's like they take turns losing at the point of attack in a way that's confounding, given like the way they played last year.
Starting point is 01:35:46 So, yeah, I think injuries play a big part of it, but yeah, they definitely were, definitely struggled for most of the game, really all right. So, E.J., I mean, what's your, what's your spighty sense? What do you, what do you, how do you think the Eagles handle the next nine? days as an organization. This is an opportunity for them to make a change. You know, they have the extended time. You know, and I do think while Nick Siriani said that they're not making a change
Starting point is 01:36:17 at the play caller position, it is, it's probably an organization. So it happened to their very noteworthy, Riani was so, so against that in the initial aftermath after the game. So definitely something I'll keep it. eye on over the next next you know we can change that all right last thing e j tell us what you're going to be writing about uh tonight on all p hl y dot com for everybody who can become a die hard and take advantage of a great black friday deal as well yeah i'm going to write about where this team goes from here you know this is uh the second time this season where they've had
Starting point is 01:36:52 this short week kind of snowball but it does feel a little bit different you know there's an urgency here they're kind of falling back into the pack with the rest of the nc playoff teams in a way that's concerning and I think that you know the way that they're playing on offense is concerning so if I can get the Wi-Fi to work at the stadium I'll be writing that if not I might have to go home and you know watch the Texas Longhorns in the background
Starting point is 01:37:13 and write about this team all right thank you very much EJ we'll talk to you on Monday's PHLY Eagle show enjoy the weekend good luck writing all right EJ all right guys talk soon all right guys a couple of super chats here before we finish up and I'm going to send Lindsay something to watch
Starting point is 01:37:29 real quick apparently I can't listen to it, but C.J. G.J. joined Acho and Lishon McCoy live from the locker room. Okay. And their reactions tell me this is something we might want to hear what he said. Okay. I'm going to send that over to her and she can Q see it. All right. Great. In the meantime, Coatesville says, with Chicago running down their throats, why didn't they even try to get all three linebackers on the field at once? Oh, yeah. That's a good question. I mean, far be it for me to question Vic Fangio.
Starting point is 01:38:05 I mean, the guy, it would be, it is stupid. He knows what he's doing. But I am baffled that Jahad Campbell didn't play a snap in this game. That is nuts to me. In a game where you're letting up the most rushing yards you've ever let up here to not try something different. And when you've got guys who are, as you said, played a ton of snaps last week. So they've got, they've got dead legs.
Starting point is 01:38:29 How about bringing on the guy who's got some fresh legs and maybe has an impetus to bring some violence to the field? Yeah. So much for our tank Bigsby predictions as well. Yeah. Tanking jihad, just not getting on the field. No more studios for us.
Starting point is 01:38:47 Early Ignacio says at the link for the first time against Las Vegas, mentally preparing myself for the worst game in NFL history. Oh, man Poor guy What that I didn't know
Starting point is 01:39:03 What that'll be They could turn it around by then You never know I got something to make glad Well I'm supposed to be bringing My son and his Football teammates to that game I'm not so sure
Starting point is 01:39:12 He's gonna know He's gonna get to go again this time I'd like to get in my prep talk Before Maybe the team goes There might be plenty of tickets available For that one Oh man
Starting point is 01:39:23 All right Lindsay do we have that video I dropped it on the game You know, you can't play it. Is it, why? Because is it, is it cursing? There's some cursing, but it's just mostly them screaming. Oh.
Starting point is 01:39:35 Not really great. Is C.J. G.J. talking smack on the birds? I think we're beyond an hour, so I think fast-wise we can play cursing. He says the F word and he says the S word. Oh, yeah. Is that?
Starting point is 01:39:46 Cosher? He doesn't really say anything. They're just like yelling. They're just laughing? Yeah, and they're like, okay, so he's not like talking smack on the Eagles. No, he doesn't really say much. Okay.
Starting point is 01:39:57 I don't think it's worth it I mean, listen, he deserves to, they, the bears deserve to puff their chest out. Oh, absolutely. As much as they want for this game. I didn't really get that vibe from this, like that he was being like, oh, we really killed him. Okay, okay. I think they wanted him
Starting point is 01:40:13 to say that. Yeah, they deserve to. I mean, Ben Johnson's taking his clothes off. They're giving out free weeners at the show as the rest, Ben. The weiner circle in Chicago again. Chicago's on cloud nine. This is one of the Make the playoffs go full Monty. All right.
Starting point is 01:40:34 The Eagles stink. At 8 and 4, they're the worst team in the NFL. I mean, offensively, where do they fall now? In the EPA per play, per their bottom three or four? They got to be, right? Something like that. It's heinous. And I think what Fran said earlier, by the way, is exactly right.
Starting point is 01:40:54 Like, the damn broke. The defense knew. Yeah, I don't think that the defense is, is... I don't think they're bad. I think they'll be fine in nine days. I also don't think that they are without blame for this game. Sure, yeah, no, today they were not good. But it did feel like the more France said that, it said in,
Starting point is 01:41:12 it did feel like a defense that was like, yeah, we've been the Band-Aid on this powder keg for a while, and the powder keg exploded. I'd love to be wrong. 26th in the NFL and success rate in the Eagles offense. Oof. ESPN playoff predictor. Periton points per drive.
Starting point is 01:41:38 As a three seed currently. The Bears is the two seed in the NFC. Where do you have the Bears as an NFC like contender after seeing them today? Yeah, I am probably a little bit disbelieving of them as a true contender. They can run, but I think Ben Johnson knows what he's doing. And if that defense is just okay, I think they can compete. Hmm. Fun times.
Starting point is 01:42:12 One and a half games up on the Cowboys. Not so fast, my friends. I still can't believe that line was... On back to back on breaking the NFC streak. I still can't believe that line was seven and a half today. That's crazy. I mean, if they don't win the division, the Packers are a half game behind him,
Starting point is 01:42:37 the Lions are one game behind them, technically two because they lost. And then you've got the Seahawks and the Niners are also involved. There's no guarantee they get a wild card even if they lose division. So like, geez, I'm putting like 35 turkeys on them missing the playoffs. she i want to go higher
Starting point is 01:43:00 you want to go higher in my heart of hearts yeah it feels it feels rotten like there's no salvaging this this is minnie tell me i'm wrong i can't man i'm like say i'm like saiquan man this don't feel right this feels weird
Starting point is 01:43:17 it feels even weird talking about what just happened do you have an example of uh one of the teams you played for putting together a really ugly stretch of football and pulling out of it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 01:43:34 Okay. And what did it take? That's what the whole... 2019 had a little bit of this. Remember when he said, ignore the noise. Yeah. There's a lot of that come in to play. Yeah, 2019, we went out and we won a division.
Starting point is 01:43:52 The people didn't see that happening. We should have won the damn playoff. game against Seattle. I think that was one of the biggest ones we was able to pull out of it. But I think I think they got it, man. I'm not, listen, when you got that much firepower. You believe? Yeah, I believe.
Starting point is 01:44:14 I don't just believe. I'm sold. You're sold? I'm sold, bro. On what? I'm sold. You got that much firepower? You believe in AJ Brown.
Starting point is 01:44:25 You think AJ is going to. lead him. I think he won't everybody ASS right now I think he lit a match right this time he lit a whole
Starting point is 01:44:33 bonfire and you could just like I said like they got 10 days to get the office alive super healthy again
Starting point is 01:44:42 you know this is just 10 days stretch on how you recover and how do you take care of your body is going to tell us a lot and the Lane
Starting point is 01:44:49 Johnson's stat continues on yeah it's true now I don't think if lanes there they necessarily wind it's true yeah But it's another L for the Elaine Johnson with or without stat.
Starting point is 01:45:01 Man. All right. Well, take a weekend to not think about the Eagles, everybody. Retail therapy? Go do something else. Yeah, retail therapy, buy some flyers and Phillies and Sixers merch on the PHLY store. 30 to 90% off for Black Friday. Make sure you do that.
Starting point is 01:45:22 I mean, that always helps. Spend some time with your family. Yeah. Buy a couple shirts. by a new hoodie. And then on Monday, come back and get really angry with us at 2 o'clock
Starting point is 01:45:30 on the PHY Eagles regular show. And check out the Malcolm Jenkins interview. That's all we got. For Lizzie and Fran and each night, they're playing.
Starting point is 01:45:41 Sixers are playing right now. Flyers post game, then you know, maybe things are better over there. Maybe. Can't be worse. Can't be worse. Oh, don't boo.
Starting point is 01:45:51 How are they pulling? It's all fair. Look at these morons from Philadelphia booing. I wish they booed harder. Boo to you. All right. Now I'll do it for the PHLY Eagles post game show
Starting point is 01:46:03 for Super Bowl champion Vinnie Curry, Jamie Lynch, Lindsay, E.J., Fran, all of us here at PHY. Happy Thanksgiving. The Eagles stink. We'll talk to you later. And as always, we love you.
Starting point is 01:46:25 Thank you.

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