PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles roster comparisons: Jalen Hurts vs. Sam Darnold? Sizing the Eagles up against the champs

Episode Date: February 10, 2026

How do the Eagles stack up against the two teams that made it to the Super Bowl? It’s an exercise Howie Roseman does each season, and one Bo Wulf and EJ Smith discuss to determine where players like Jalen Hurts, DeVonta Smith, and Cooper DeJean stack up against both the Seattle Seahawks and the New England Patriots. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

From the Xfinity mobile video, this is the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. Some of you call the P.H.L.E.E.O.E.E.O.E.O.E.S.E.O.E.S.E.S.V.E.J.S.V. We are doing well. I agree. I think it doesn't matter what you call the show or the podcast. Just don't call us late for dinner. but you have a great time because yeah we got good energy on this show so yeah I'm excited excited to go through a Howie Rosemanesque exercise with you today we're going to try to stay away for maybe some of the toxic sludge that surround some of these conversations but yeah I'm looking forward to it all right tell me more about the toxic sludge in a little bit but let's get to it although I will tell you that later on in the show you are going to hear an exclusive interview with Seahawks quarterback's coach Andrew Janette. who knows Sean Mannion very well. We talked yesterday about the great jaw line on AJ. They'll get to see it up close. Oh, you guys are on nickname basis now, huh? Oh, yeah.

Noakes, we call them. Nooks. Janokey. Jaw nokey, I think. Jaw nokey. Very nice. Yeah, we'll see if he gets bumped up into an OC job at either the Seahawks or the Raiders. But let's get to it.

Tell us set the scene here, E.J. for what it is that we're going to be doing today. Yeah. So first off, credit to the athletics, Brooks Kubina, because this is a stolen idea. Kubena. Cubana, I apologize. Cabena. This is Cabena.

Okay. John Oko. So this is an exercise at Hallier-Rosman goes through each season. You know, he talks about his obsession with the teams that win their respective conferences, the teams that make it to the Super Bowl and how he will evaluate the Eagles roster to see where they may be ahead or behind those championship teams. And I think that, you know, it's a good exercise to kind of see where the Eagles stack up, you know, in terms of being a Super Bowl caliber team. So we're going to go through position by position and kind of see, again, where the Eagles maybe rank more positively or more negatively than obviously the Seahawks, the Super Bowl champions, the new reigning Super Bowl champions. But also I think we can we can put the Patriots in there to just to, you know, round out the exercise.

Would you say that Patriots are one of the worst Super Bowl teams in the past 20 years? it's an interesting question they're probably there a year or two earlier than you really would have probably expected or maybe i would go so far as even saying would have liked for them to be there you know like if you're going to get a chance it kind of reminds me that bengal's team a few years ago where it's like you get there a year earlier than maybe you're expecting you're not quite ready for it so definitely not one of the best super bowl teams that we've seen uh yeah probably one toward the bottom of that list who is who else is in the running yeah It's hard for me to even encyclopedically think about who are the other bad Super Bowl teams. I can pull it up. It's one of my things I have bookmarked from pro football reference. Let's go through the last, let's say, let's just rapid fire it. The last five Super Bowl champion or Super Bowl losers. It was the Chiefs against the Eagles, obviously.

Honestly, that team was pretty bad too, right? On the course of the season, but yeah, I think we would all take that. I think we would all think that that team would be let this Patriots team. I agree. In 24, it was the 49ers. Nineers team was good. That team was good. The Eagles team was good. The Eagles team was good.

Bengals in 2022. That team was better for sure. Yeah. Chiefs in 21, we're not going to take them. We're not going to take them under the Patriots. Correct. Nine years before that. Rams in 2019 in Super Bowl 53.

I lost the Patriots. Yeah, but that was golf. But I think that team was still better. Yeah, Patriots to the Eagles. I mean, we're not. Yeah. Falcons and 17. No, that team was better, I think.

Panthers in 16. That one, oh. I still think that team was better. They had a superhero at quarterback. Yeah, no, honestly. It's the past decade of the last 20 teams in the Super Bowl. Okay. Yeah, recent memory.

I think that's fine. It's a good pull by you. But they had Christian Ellis. All right, let's get to, now listen, before we, before we do this, I do, like, let's, in setting this stage here, this is a fun exercise to go through. It is, it is instructive in, analyzing the strength of the roster.

I think we all know that it is not like one to one. When it comes to football, there are, you know, multiplying factors of the way things work together. You know, like if you have two great players at a position, but this other team has like five really good players at a position, sometimes that's more important.

Like depth matters and also coaching matters and all that stuff. But in terms of just going through how the roster stand up, it's a worthwhile exercise. So let's get into it. And let's start EJ. with the quarterback position, which is the most important position. And so let's make it the right people presented by our friends at True Mark Financial. Do the Eagles have the right people in the quarterback room?

And as you stack it up, you've got the Seahawks with Sam Darnold and our, and dear friend of the show, Drew Locke. Lockie. Lockie. Lockbuster. And Jalen Milrow. Patriots, Drake May, Josh Dobbs, and another friend of the show, Tommy DeVito, and the Eagles have Jalen Hertz, Tanner McKee, and Sam Howell. And so obviously, the Eagles have already won a Super Bowl with Jailen Hertz. He is good enough to win the Super Bowl. Do you think that, you know, winning a Super Bowl with Sam Darnold, and that being on the NFL's consciousness changes the way that

Howie Roseman or other GMs might feel about the quarterback position, that it's not necessarily superstar robust? It's an interesting question. I would say that I don't think I really am always resistant to overreact to one year sample in a Super Bowl. So I don't think it necessarily tells you that you can, that you can all of a sudden, oh, like having a top five quarterback maybe isn't as important as, you know, history would suggest. I think if you don't have a top five quarterback, the Seahawks are the example. And I would say, I mean, it's tough. Jaylen Hertz was a top five quarterback?

No, it's tough with Jaylen because he plays at such a high level in those high leverage games that he like I kind of want to separate him for the sake of this, this exercise and this argument just for a second here because it's to me, it's like if you don't have Pat Mahomes, obviously Josh Allen hasn't had great postseason success, but if you don't have one of those guys, right, if you don't have one of the perennial Super Bowl appearance type quarterbacks, the elite players in the league, then I think that the Seahawks this year, are the template for how you win.

You know, you have a complete roster, you have a dominant defense, and you have a quarterback in that Sam Darnold tier where if you do need to make a postseason run, maybe you're not overly, you're not bursting with confidence that he's going to carry you there, but he is going to be able to either get out of the way of winning or at least affect winning enough to let the rest of the roster really do a lot of the heavy lifting. So I don't think that the Seahawks are all of a sudden an indication that, you know, top five quarterbacks aren't going to be, you know, the overwhelming majority of championship teams. Well, they won't be featured on the overwhelming majority of championship teams.

Jalen is, again, the interesting one here. Because what I say is a top five quarterback. No, I would not, especially not after the season that he just had. But was he last year as more is more to the question. Yes, does he play like a top five quarterback? And I think that might be the important delineation here. Like, does he play like a top five quarterback on the biggest stages? and in both of the Super Bowls, I think you would say he has.

You know, he's gone toe to toe with Pat Mahomes twice now. So he's an interesting evaluation for that reason. The way that he's played in those games makes me pick him and really that the Eagles quarterback room overall over these other two because of mostly because of sealing that you get with Jalen Hertz. And I think that is like it's it's an interesting discussion because of the fact that, you know, like we do have examples. I think Sam Donald actually kind of weights down the argument that people make where it's like,

well, Jalen Hertz is won a Super Bowl. What's, you know, what do you, how do you say? How can you say he's better than insert? You know, the exit every, like Josh Allen, how could you say he's better than Josh Allen? You wouldn't say that Sam Darnold is better than Josh Allen. So that argument only takes you so far, I guess. Yeah, I think my takeaway from it is more about, I think as a collective sometimes, everybody gives general managers of mid teams a pass on like, oh, well, it's all about getting the quarterback.

Like, you know, if you probably need to tank so that you can get a top five pick so that you can maybe get yourself a quarterback who's good enough to win the Super Bowl. And I think the lesson should be they do not deserve a pass. And I mean, obviously it's a very hard job. But players, quarterbacks of Sam Darnold's caliber are available almost every offseason. And so if you have done enough to build a team around them, it's still possible. It doesn't have to be tear it down to the studs just to get a quarterback and then hope you have a shot.

You know, there are other solutions. And I know, credit to John Schneider, aside from the Fran Duffie of it all, no doubt he and Mike McDonald did an awesome job last off season, honestly evaluating, you know, their roster and the quarterback position. And it was also different than most of the, you know, ball knowers thought about it.

And they did a great job. Yeah. Anyway, go ahead. Sorry. Along those lines, I've always found it so strange teams that like blow it up to get the quarterback. Like kind of what the Raiders have done. Not to say that the Raiders blew it up like to get the quarterback,

but teams that are so eager to like place a franchise quarterback, you know, potential franchise quarterback into a terrible team because those situations matter so much. You know, I don't think it's a coincidence that some of the best quarterbacks in the league have been able to go into stable situations with good offensive lines and, you know, establish coaching staff. Some guys are capable of survival. surviving a rocky few seasons, but I do think that it's understated.

I think situation matters so much for these quarterbacks. I don't think it's a coincidence that Sam Darnold stepped into what is, what has become a really solid Seahawks roster and was able to elevate because of it. You know what I mean? It's not we often view the quarterback position as a very, you know, singular position that affects everything. And obviously it is, but I mean, they are very much affected by what's around them as well.

And so the question here, as it pertains to the Eagles for Howie Roseman, E.J. is is the right thing to do here stay put and we think we've got we've got a better if not equal group of quarterbacks than then you know those other teams have made the Super Bowl or is it you know maybe maybe we should get wild and we can talk about this on tomorrow show the no bad idea show is there another path that would make more sense for and not even more sense but open up some different optionality i'm certainly not there yet with jalen i still think that he is proven that you can not only win with him, but win because of him in big moments. And I think it's, it's like, this is a refreshing conversation for us to have because we've spent so much time

over the last several months, really in a, you know, having like very, you know, specific conversations about the way Jalen Hertz is played and where he ranks because of the way that he's played. But I still think that the constant, the under, the under, what underscores it all is that you can win with him. He's proven that you can win because of him in those moments. So, no, If I were the Eagles, this part of the exercise would make me feel good, you know, being able to win with Jalen Hertz at quarterback. Okay. Let's put the book on that closed the book on The Right People presented by our friends at True Mark Financial. And let's move on to the running back position, EJ, one where I think we would think that the Eagles stand in good position here.

Now, Kenneth Walker was awesome in the Super Bowl, deserved MVP. I mean, it's a really fun running style. Yeah, no. He doesn't bounce it outside a lot, but he has a way of like always sucking people in and then getting to the edge. Yeah, he's got that contact balance. I know that's kind of my old newspaper colleagues hated contact balance. But no, I mean, he does. He has it.

And yeah, he was a very fun player to watch. I don't think stylistically, Adrian Peterson is like a great comp, but he at least like kind of looks like Adrian Peterson. You know, like the young bald guy with like a physical running style. So no, I like a Kenneth Walker. Okay. I like a Kenneth, too. Kenneth is fun. I like a kind of.

as well. It also has some Deeks connections, got some team of deacon in them. Then you've got, would you like some? Trevion Henderson and Ramandre Stevenson, the Patriots, and obviously the Eagles, Sequin, Barclay, Tank Bigsby, and then some of us might argue that the bottom of that drops down the whole barrel, but that's a free agent to be. Yeah, a little shibly. Free agent to be, AJ Dillon there. I'm taking the Eagles backfield. I think they're fine here. Yeah, I think especially if you're thinking about, is this a position that's keeping us from being able to compete with that team?

I think you feel fine about it. I also think that the Tank Bigsby juice we saw last season. Charbonnet, right? No, I just, I think from an Eagles roster perspective, it changes. I think otherwise, it might have been nice to add a mid-round running back onto this roster as Will Shipley enters the final year of his rookie deal, and Sequin is entering the final year of his guaranteed money.

it might have been nice to have like a, you know, a counterbalance and a backup for Sequin who could eventually take over if it was a home run. I think in Tank Bigsby, who is also entering the final year of his deal, it's still nice. Like, you don't need that for this season. You can address that next off season. Yeah, but I mean, if you were going to make the argument that Kenneth Walker and Zach Charbonnet is greater than Sequan and the number two, I'm not making that argument, but I do think that what we saw from Tank Bigsby even gives the Eagles reason to feel good about their top two

in comparison to the others. And then I also think something to follow and pay attention to, and maybe a question for Fran down the line, is how much does the expected change in the offense and the style of running game that the egos are going to implement affect Sequin Barclay and Tank Bigsby? And do you need somebody else there? Yeah, yeah, it's a good thought.

All right, let's take our first break. It'll be good to see you. Yeah. Yeah. What a good guy. All right. That'll do it for the, first segment here. We'll be back with much more on the other side talking wide receivers,

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What are we doing? The peach emoji's going and talk about the tight ends where the Eagles have ascends. Eventually, nobody under contract. Yeah. Now, Dallas Gottert, free agent to be. Grant Calcutterra, free agent to be. Even Kylan Granson is a free agent to be. So they have to refashion this position somehow, some way.

You compare it to the likes of A.J. Barner and Franz boy, Elijah Arroyo with the CLC Hawks. And then... Would have been my boy if I was a PHOI contributor back then for the record. I liked an Elijah Arroyo. Well, yeah, you liked him, but you didn't invent him like Fran did. And then, you know, you can't, you can't steal it. You didn't invent him like, Fran. And then New England, Hunter Henry, Austin, Hooper, and some other flotsam and Jetsam.

Eagles have a lot of work here to do, obviously. No, I don't want to, I don't want to make you go on a record necessarily before a flu world order and get your, you know, let us get the scouting report on you. But how do you, how do you expect this situation to resolve at tight end for the Eagles? I think they're going to have to really overhaul this position from the ground up. I think it's going to have to be the draft end probably also free agency. I think that, you know, especially with Sean Mannion bringing a different system, I think that, you know, you could see a complete turnover there. You know, it's funny to think that the Eagles have historically been so proactive

and being a year or two early finding, you know, a succession plan at tight end. I think they're going to have to do it on the fly this year. So I'd expect to see a tight end in the early rounds of the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if they had an undrafted guy or a day three guy in addition to that. And then obviously, yeah, like the Kylan Gransons, the Harrison Bryant's of the world and free agency, I think that you kind of fill it out that way. So, yeah, when you look at it compared to these other teams, like they have a lot of work to do with that position. Because I think the way that we've seen the Eagles have success, the way that, you know, a lot of really good offenses are built now,

you want to have multiple options at tight end. And yeah, right now I think it is, it's going to be a position that they need a complete makeover at. Are you ready for me to give you the, I'm going to give you the top 10 tight ends who are going to be free agents this offseason by snaps played. Okay. Number one. Wait, why buy snaps played? That's just an easy way to sort. Okay.

Kyle Pitts, percentage of snaps played. I feel like, I mean, obviously. Will they bring him home? I did predict this two years ago. Would love that for the Eagles. Who one? He does check some boxes for, you know, in terms of like draft pedigrees from the area. Um, you know, like he's he's a type of player that you think in the right situation,

he could really reach the potential that everyone saw for him. Um, obviously he kind of flashed it last year, but I don't know. I think he's going to be really expensive. And I don't know if he's really a enough of like a two way tight end, uh, that you would really want to build the whole room around him, uh, and really pay that much in a free agency. I think he'll probably get paid somewhere else if I had to guess. Yeah. I would not do this deal.

Sure. but you can see a scenario where if they trade AJ, this is the counter to that in the short term, because they're not going to be able to add a receiver who is as nearly as dynamic, right? And so if you can add a wide receiver two type, but all of a sudden now your tight end is Kyle Pitts, and you're going to be playing a lot of 12 personnel. And, you know, that's, that is not the case that I would make.

but you could you can see that being in an outcome you could you definitely could it's also now realistically we've talked about the eagles would be willing to take on the dead cat money for a j brown if the return was good enough but it's going to hamstring you in your ability to sign big name free agents yeah yeah i definitely would not rule out kyle pits for the eagles i just i can see enough of the negatives where i wouldn't say it with full conviction next up kate otton from the tampa bay bucks Yeah. I mean, I don't, I'm curious to hear what Fran thinks he'll get. I don't know. That doesn't, is he like a needle moving tight end enough that you think they're going to really. No. Yeah. But who knows what he gets. Then you get Travis Kelsey, Dallas Goddert.

Chigo Conquo. I like a Chigo Conquo. You could see it. Chigo Conquo. I could see that. Yeah. I could definitely. Next up Adam Troutman from the Denver Broncos. Zach Ertz, bring him home. Coming off a tough injury. Yeah. Daniel Bellinger from the New York Giants David and Joku and then here's one that I do think I could see the last one on the list

Isaiah likely from the ball of the Ravens. Yeah, that one feels it feels like in kind of a similar mold of the Kyle Pitts argument but just a little bit cheaper a little bit less like you know of a home run swing

mind that. I could see Chigo Conquo and a high draft pick and like you have your two tight ends for 12 personnel that you feel good about. I think that makes sense. Some other interesting names lowered down the list of guys who could, you know, be your number two tight end, but we'll save that for another conversation. Okay. Sure.

So the Eagles enter the offices and knowing they have work to do here. I think it'll be. I think significant work too. Like I don't think you can just throw a day three pick in there with some like, you know, journeymen free agents. I think it's got to be a premium asset or big money and free agency to bring somebody in. All right. Let's go to wide receiver now.

And until you tell me how you think these groups stack up. And it's interesting considering Seattle shipped out, D.K. Medcaf last offseason. Yeah. But the Eagles, obviously, A.J. Brown is at the top right now. Devante Smith. Jahan Dotson is a pending free agent. Darius Cooper after that compared to Seattle with Jackson Smith and Jigba. They bring in Cooper Cup in the offseason for a cheap deal.

They make the deadline trade for Rashid Shahid. They had drafted Tori Horton and. Jake Bobo was there and in New England, you know, kind of a mishmash crew after paying for Stefan Diggs, just Mack Hollins, Kishon Booty, Kyle Williams, who was, I think a third round pick, and Demerio Douglas. You would think that the Eagles feel good about that at the moment,

depending on how they feel about AJ. Yeah, no. So I'm going to invoke book author O1's chat. He asks if we will extend roster comparisons to include assessing the head coaches. So I would like to, I would say that I from a talent perspective, I would take the Eagles receiving core here with AJ Brown included. From a usage of the receivers in the past game that we can feel good about,

I actually think the Seattle receiving core is on, you know, on the same level as the Eagles receiving core. Just in the sense of the way that they use those guys, the value that Shaheed has is an explosive play guy and the fact that they build it. like do you think that has been solved in just importing a new scheme or yeah that that is that's that is the question i don't know i mean you would like to think that um if the eagles start to take advantage if a j brown stays and the eagles take advantage of the gravity that a j brown and devante smith have and they open things up for players that are as opportunistic as someone like rishid sheid then yeah they are better they they should be

better at doing that than seattle but based off of the uncertainty that we have with AJ Brown, the uncertainty that we have with the way that the Eagles offensive scheme is going to look, I think you could probably argue that the Seahawks are on the same level as the Eagles receiving core. Going in the next year. I would still take the

Eagles. That's fair. But you acknowledge that J.S.N had a better year than anybody. Yeah, JSM was awesome last year and he like the fact, like the way that they take advantage of how good he is, they leverage it against defenses in a way that I would like the Eagles to do.

with AJ Brown. It would make a lot of sense. I'm sure AJ Brown would love that if they use to use all of the cloud coverages that he faces against defenses. But until we see it, I think that those groups are closer than maybe you would think just looking at them on paper. Jihad is like the perfect wide receiver three for that group too.

Like he is like the idealized version of like what Kwez Watkins was supposed to be. Yes. You know, and I think that that should be a priority for the Eagles is finding someone who can be, even if it's two catches a game, can, you know, just change a game the way that Chehede has been able to for Seattle since he got traded there. If I set the over under at pick number 64, the last pick of the second round, do the Eagles draft a wide receiver before or after that this year?

It's a good question because AJ's future really factors in here. Although if they trade AJ, do they use that? do they do the Traylon Burks? Like, do they use that pick to replace him? I mean, I know Traylon Burks is a tough name to invoke here, but it is like, it's, it is the thing. I'm going to go after. I don't think it's a great receiver draft.

I think that offensive line is going to be a priority for him. I could see him taking a tight end before a receiver. So I'm going to lean. I'm going to take the, I'm going to take the, I'm going to take the, what would that be the over or the under technically? The after, yeah. after I think I would take the after too but I also think they kind of need to do one by round four yeah I would agree with that because they continue to ignore the position and I mean

listen they drafted Anaya Smith and Johnny Wilson two years ago in the fifth and sixth guys who were supposed to play specific roles I think I think it would be nice to see them at somebody in the mid in the mid rounds that that'll be a fun exercise for the combine is like once the receivers are on the 40s. Like, how about we just sort it by 40 time, copy the first 15 names on the list, put them on a spreadsheet, and throw a dart. Just say like...

GDP makes a good point, E.J., you could instead of saying AJ to Traylon Burks, you could say Stefan Diggs to Justin Jefferson. Oh, yeah, that's fair. That is fair. Okay, so they're going to Justin Jefferson. Yeah. They're going to do a Justin Jefferson.

If they trade AJ, I do think it's before 64 that they draft one, and it'll probably be one of the picks. I mean, it would be very, one of the picks they get for AJ. All right. Before we get to the offensive line, let's pivot here and give you our interview with the great Andrew Janoco. John O'Neillian talking about Sean Mannion, their experience together, the importance

of footwork. Check it out. And then we'll go to break after that and come back and talk about the offensive line. There's a specific one of questioning for you. Okay. We want to talk to Sean Manning. Awesome. So when you coached him, what about him would have made you think that he had the future?

I mean, Sean's probably one of the most intelligent people I've been around, whether being in the quarterback room, in the meeting room, on the practice field. Sean knew the plan, understood the plan like a coach. He understood what each play was specifically attacked. But he wanted to know the lies behind it. Like, he wanted to know the little bit of minutia. Okay, what is this motion doing for us? What is it, what is that, like what am I seeing when this motion happens?

And what's the backside combination on this run play? Right. Why are we doing it like that? So to me, that is all stuff that, you know, you saw that from Sean then, and you realized this guy's going to be, this guy's going to be pretty special. Did you guys talk about that? Oh, yeah, absolutely. Our quarterback meeting room then, you know, with Kirk and with Sean, you know,

those guys were, those guys were awesome to work with. And it was my first job as a quarterback coach. So being around those guys that were so intelligent and so diligent to their craft, it really helped me then and still does. Now, we've heard about the laptop that he kept, like to keep track of plays and calls. Did he have that when you guys are around him?

So at that point, he was still a pen and paper guy, but then, you know, he was probably one of the first guys that I was around to go to the iPad and to taking the notes on the iPad, I mean, myself right now, I don't care anything. I don't do anything. It's not on the iPad because my life. My life is on my iPad.

But he was one of the first guys to go to that because he knew that he could categorically search notes and go back years and years in his notes. So, yeah, I mean, that thing is, that's pretty much very. When you guys were, when he's asked me about, you know, the purpose of different parts of the plays and stuff like that, would you talk about, like, if I had an offense,

this is the kind of offense that I would run, like that? You always share your ideas, but at the time, you know, you're in, you're in a system. You've got a belief in a system. So it's kind of really perfecting what you're doing there and then. But you always, you always have thoughts of, okay, hey, maybe I'd do it a little bit different or I prefer this or certain quarterbacks prefer certain things called, you know, called a certain way rather than something else, what hits their brain, how their mind functions.

So there's always stuff like that. But, you know, the thing that I remember is just just how proficient he was and how his memory from every system he'd been in was really impressive. One thing we've also heard is just the, I'm sure this is partly from you, just the importance of footwork and marrying that to everything that's going on in the offensive. Can you talk about that one of this? Yeah, I mean, to me, the quarterback's feet are everything. I mean, any stop I've been, especially with Clint, you know,

listening to your feet is the number of the number of the one. one commandment of quarterback play. And, you know, I think that's something that Sean leaves in as well, because, you know, I know the guys up in Green Day that they've reached a very similar thing. And just that overall footwork, the timing and rhythm of the past game and that things are supposed to happen at a particular time for him getting it out on time, being able to anticipate windows, not see things open, and then, you know, and then helping your offensive line out to him, not put the burden.

and would you take an extra hitches or delaying things when they know the ball's got to go, so they can use their best moves as well. You often hear about backup quarterbacks being resources in the room. I guess how would you describe Sean Mannion's approach to being a resource in a quarterback? Oh, yeah, it was fantastic. You know, because he had experiences from different systems and different guys that he had been around at that point. And it was something that, like, I just remember, you know, on buses, on road games, we were just sit and shoot the bull about, you know, different things that we see.

different things that we felt. And so just playing all that stuff out, that was definitely helped me at that point. Do you have a favorite memory, favorite story about Sean? You know, I mean, he's a West Coast guy. I'm an East Coast guy. So we'd always banter back and forth about that.

You know, just him being like a West Coast late back guy. And I was always a little bit uptight being, you know, being from the East Coast. So we'd ban her back and forth about that. Still do. We still have some inside jokes with that. Really, really, really excited for Sean. I think he's, I can't say enough. If we think about just the play-calling aspect of the job,

which is a bit of a guessing game with him, do you remember what it was like just being on the headset with him in the middle of games and you watched the game? Yeah, no, I mean, Sean is phenomenal. Sean gets put out of play call like anybody. Like, he would never miss a beat. And, you know, he was fantastic with that. Awesome.

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I thought you're talking about the movies. It works both ways. Okay, yeah. Let's talk about the offensive line. You're not going to ask me why I'm wearing something different in the ad read than I am right now. Wasn't going to. Didn't peak your interest? I would never put you on blast.

Yeah, okay. Don't you do? I have a little spilly spill. I had a Robin for lunch, like 25 minutes before the show. You had a Robin? No, ramen. Oh, ramen. Yeah, homemade ramen.

It was very good, but like... What do you mean homemade ramen? Well, I mean, the noodles weren't homemade, but the broth, you know? You made the broth? I mean, I didn't make it. Shout to my wife. Okay. But, I mean, can you eat ramen?

I think for you to say homemade ramen, we know you're lying. Well, I don't understand what, what I mean, yes, it's a packet of ramen, but do people make their own noodles, you think? Well, no, but I'm saying, I mean, homemade ramen, that's like, that's a whole endeavor. When you say you're going to think that you ordered it, right? Like you got one of those fancy like fah. You got the whole thing. No? I mean, are you saying like you got like top ramen and Julia just made it up?

Oh, no, no. This is like, you know, it's like a nice packet of noodles. Okay. And then we make the broth with like, you know, some veggies and everything in there. You make, you do actually truly make your own broth. Yeah, I think so. I mean, Julia has made bone broth. I'm not positive if this came out of the carton or not.

Okay. And what you spelled all over yourself? I mean, can you eat ramen without making a mess? Like, it's impossible. It is possible, yes. I mean, it's not for me. Not for me. So, yeah, had to change between the adorns and the show.

Good for you. All right. Let's get to the offensive line. Yeah. This is an interesting one to compare. as we all saw the Patriots offensive line get just run through on the biggest stage, even though they used an early pick on Will Campbell. Turns out maybe he's not just a left tackle, although he was obviously injured.

And you look at the other players they have there, sort of the pick equity and the free agent signings they've used. It didn't pay a ton for Garrett Bradbury. He used a mid-round pick on Jared Wilson, who I think was also on the Eagles radar at some point. Spent a little bit of money for Morgan Moses to be the starter. it right tackle and then you go to seattle and you're talking about you know they had used some early picks they used a first round pick on charles cross they used the first round pick on gray zabel they

used i think a second or a third on ab lucas um and then some other guys in there uh we already know that the offensive line is is one of the biggest questions of the offseason ej to say nothing of the transition from jeff stoutland to chris cooper you've got lane johnson is he going to play You've got Lenny Dickerson. Is he going to play? Is he going to play at the level we saw two years ago ever again? You got George Milata and you've got Tyler Steen. How do you think how he feels about this group compared to the rest?

Yeah, I mean, it's a big departure from the way he would have felt 12 months ago. Is it crazy for me to say that there are, there is a, I mean, it's a small chance, but there is a chance that the Eagles have four different starters on the offensive line by the end of next season. Like, Landon Dickerson, Lane Jones. There is a chance. Cam Jorgans has a roster. I think it's an option bonus, an option bonus at some point this offseason that is going to, I mean, I don't think that the Eagles are going to move on from him, but it's at least an interesting discussion that you'll have to have to have there. And then Tyler Steen, like, maybe by the end of the season, he's not your starter.

Or maybe they signed somebody in free agency to start over Tyler Steen. So it's not a high likelihood, but I mean, it's insane that we found ourselves here, given. how good we felt about this group a year ago. Yeah, I think it's, I think it's less about that likelihood and more about just the fact that, yeah, this went from the strength of the team. Yep. To now a true concern.

And it has been a long time since Eagles fans have watched an offensive line that was not on paper one of the best in the league. Yeah. Now, with that said, I think that they're at least level with the Seahawks offensive line. I think I'd feel pretty good about those two. and I still think relative to what you see across the NFL, you feel okay about where the Eagles will be with presumptively, let's say,

they've got work to do. Yeah, no, they certainly have work to do, but you still feel better about them. Yeah. I mean, I would say them in the Patriots line. But I think them and the Seahawks are probably closer than the Eagles would like to be with the Seahawks. You know, it is too late to do this now,

but I imagine that as if Howie were actually doing this exercise, I think he'd be more likely to have the Rams as the other team in this exercised and the Patriots. Interesting. You think because he would say this is a team we're going to have to go through. And they were the second best team in football probably. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good point.

Okay. How do you feel about the Rams offensive line then? I think the way that they use it is probably, I would have them a tick better. Okay. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah, I'd say they're on the level. Given the complete uncertainty about the coaching.

Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's flip to the defense. Start a defensive tackle where I think the Eagles probably feel like they have the best group in football and rightfully so. Don't the Seahawks also feel that way? Yeah. Seahawks are very, very good.

Yeah. But with Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis and Morrow Ogimo and probably the last year that you're going to have all three of those guys, plus Ty Robinson and Byron Young, you know, Byron Murphy, Leonard Williams, Jaron Reed, also fantastic. Riley Mills got that sack in the Super Bowl And then the Patriots, Christian Barmore, Milton Williams is fantastic as well. So this is a this is a lot of quality. I think for the Eagles, this is more about how do we maintain that this is going to be a dominant group moving forward beyond just 2026? Yes. And I think really if you're Hallie Roseman looking at those three groups, the thing that you feel strongly about is that this is one of the the metas of the current NFL is interior defensive line.

pressure, depth, having depth at that position, having guys who can change games, because really, I think you could make a compelling argument that, like, I guess you'd have to include the edge rushers for this, you know, this most recent Super Bowl, but defensive lines are really like the great equalizer in those games. So, no, I think that's the lesson here. I would take the Eagles, but I do think that, you know, if we had Mina Kimes here, she might be making the argument that the Seahawks should get their respect in this conversation as well. Yeah, that is, that is a lot of quality there across the

board. The Edge Group, very interesting because the top of the list for the Eagles is Jalen Phillips, and we don't know if he's going to be back. I think probably more likely than not that he won't be back. You've also got Nolan Smith and Jailix Hunt, Jelix Hunt coming off an awesome season. Brandon Graham is the fourth there. He is also up in the air, although he would like to come back. We'll see if Harry Roseman wants him back. Seattle, DeMarcus Lawrence. Good job by them to add him in off season, Derek Hall, Boye Maffei, Uchena Nowuosu. That's a nice group of depth for quality guys. And then the Patriots, Harold Landry, Caleban Chesson, who I think the Eagles could

have signed in the past, Anthony Jennings, and Elijah Ponder. How do you analyze that? I'm going to lean Eagles with an asterisk with the uncertainty around Jalen Phillips, but I don't know, I still think, I don't know, you kind of, you talked me into Jailix Hunt next year. I mean, is he going to be a breakout player next year where, you know, maybe not tier one, like best past rushers in the league, but maybe, you know, in the conversation around those guys, I think he could, I think he could be someone we're talking about taking a real leap next year. So I'm going to take the Eagles group. You're going to take them as the best of those four, even without Jalen Phillips? I know that I know that's tough because of like what we just saw from DeMarcus Lawrence. But if we're talking going into the next year, yeah, yeah, I feel I feel okay about taking the Eagles here.

I would take the Seahawks for sure. Okay. All right. I mean, we can't agree on all of them. Yeah, no. They've got four real guys right now. The Eagles only have two. Yeah, but I think, again, I said that the asterisk is Jalen Phillips.

Jalen Phillips is gone. You take the Seahawks. But with the uncertainty, I'm going to just lean Eagles here. Well, I think we also agree that even if the Eagles let Jalen Phillips go, they're not going to enter the season with just Nolan Smith and Jalyn Phillips Hunt. Yeah, but I think that building it with Nolan Smith and Jalick's hunt and really Jalick's Hunt as somebody that you feel good about progressing further. Yeah, I feel good about that group. I feel a lot better than I did at the start of the season. It's crazy how much Jalen Phillips

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Zach Bonn, Jihad Campbell. Nicopi Dean, entering for agency, not so much. But I think you would feel like between Jeremiah Trader Jr. and Smile Mondin, you might have enough depth there to feel pretty good entering next season. How does that group compare to Seattle with Ernest Jones, your boy? boy. Drake Thomas with Chad Sarat and Tyrese nice behind him.

And in New England, my boy, Christian Ellis, Bobby Spills, Robert Spillane, plus Jalani Tavai, Chad Muma, and Marte Mapu. How does that we feel? I think how it feels just fine here.

I feel fine. I may never put another resource into the linebacker position. For the sake of content, I'm taking the Seahawks, my boy, Arnest, and you're going to take the Patriots for Christian Ellis.

But yeah, the Eagles. I mean, the Eagles have arguably the best linebacking core in the NFL. It's a weird thing to say. But I think it is the case. But yeah, I'm team content here. You got to go with solidarity in the earnest. I'm team honest. And I would never not lie and never, never lie and not tell the truth.

You have said some whoppers even on this show. You said I wouldn't put your business out there. And now you're saying I would never not lie or never lie. Yeah, I'm telling the truth. I don't believe you. It's like my truth. Yeah, that is your truth that you never put. Have you ever put my business out there?

No. Not without your implicit say-so. You know, now that we're on this, I felt really bad about the slight at my sister yesterday, the sour cream thing. You should have felt bad. Don't blame that on me. No, I didn't blame you at all. And so like, and I called her and I explained it to her. And I, she's laughing the whole time.

Like she doesn't care. And she's like, no. Like, I think it was actually like nice that you mentioned it. And I did. Like even I talked to Julia about it because I was all like, was that wrong? Like, am I, you know, I really was I being like a bad sibling there. So I just want to make sure I reiterate. I really appreciate my sister.

She's amazing. She has done such a good job filling that space in our family. So yeah, shout out to my sister. No, but it is also, it is also a part of honoring your mom, right? that you're remembering the things about her. That's for you. You keep, you're keeping her alive.

Exactly. Exactly. So, and again, I, I saw someone say this in the chat and I was like, dang, that's a good point. I was at the grocery store before I went over. So I could have called and said, hey, you need anything. So that was on me. It's good.

Hand up. That's good. Yep. All right. Let's talk corner. Another very interesting one as we compare these rosters because these also also are very good secondaries. But the Eagles got to feel pretty good

with Quinnianne Mitchell and Cooper DeGine. Who's going to be the other starter? We don't know. Jacorian Bennett is here. Kili Ringo is here. I think more likely they'll maybe play the veteran scrap heap type deal to find a this year's version of Adoria Jackson.

He compare that to Christian Gonzalez, who was awesome for the Patriots in the Super Bowl and in the playoffs. Carlton Davis Jr. also very cromulent and Marcus Jones a good nickel. And then Seattle, Devin Witherspoon, Reek Wullen, Mia Pitchard and your boy, Josh Job.

Hi, boy. Who is throwing punches in the Super Bowl, not getting tossed. You want to talk about living life the right way. Fantastic work by him. I didn't know Josh Job was my boy. Where did that come from? It's just. I mean, I covered him.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know who I'm taking here, actually. This is tough. How badly do you think Eagles wish they had Josh Job still? Yeah, it's funny. Because they had that collection of corners, like that were basically dart throws. And you just figured that they would figure out who was, who was the one to keep.

And then they lost Josh Job. I mean, could you argue that he's not like stylists? No, I feel like the Seahawks stylistically are pretty similar. You'd be fine. Yeah. Yes. The answer is they are probably disappointed that they lost out. Like he's going to be one of those, you know, make, Howie Roseman always says, like, you have to make sure you have the best evaluation of your own.

players, I think Josh Joe will be on that list of, you know, players that they let leave the building before they really hit their stride. I'm probably, can I just call it a wash? I think I'm calling it a wash here. I don't know if I'm taking a group here. I feel, especially I wanted to have a conversation about one player in this group against another player from a different position group. So I'm going to, I'm going to call it too close to call. Just to say, just to, because I'm looking it up. I'm sorry, cut you off. That's okay. When the Eagles waived Josh Job at the end of roster cutdowns in 2024, you know, they kept Eli Rick's. So that was their

evaluation. That was your choice. Yeah. The wrong choice. I like the Josh Job. He like and and oh no, no, no, never mind. Oh, not Maria Goodrich. That was, that was the year before. I liked Mario Goodrich too, like as a person. Um, but no, I, I think that is well put well, uh, that's good context by you that they made, they made their choice. It was Eli Ricks over Josh Job, which is tough because like Josh Job also really profiled as a better special teams contributor if that was all you were going to get. So yeah, no, it's a missed opportunity. I'm calling it a three-way tie here. Too close to call. Okay. Can I present you one now before we go to safeties? Please. Shout out to our boy Nate Tice. I've been texting Nate

about a range of topics. Wow. How? How? How? How about you? And I'm putting him, I mean, this maybe wasn't an on-the-record conversation, but I'm putting it on the record here. Okay. I asked him if he thought Dune was sci-fi or fantasy. Oh, you were really kicking yourself for not answering. I was really disappointed.

I didn't bring this up on the show. And his initial answer was fantasy, but then we got to talking about it. And he changed his mind. He came around on the sci-fi argument because it is. It's rooted in the real world. There's an explanation. for all of the things that you would say make it fantasy. The worms, the spice, like everything about Dune that seems like fantasy is tied into the real world.

There are explanations for how they got there. Sci-fi. James Bradbury also made that initial roster when they with Josh Job. Okay. I mean, but that was more of a financial thing than a- Didn't have to be. Yeah, that's true. No, it's fair.

It's true. Okay. I don't have a strong. opinion on the Dune thing. I'm sorry. I think it's sci-fi. I think we can put it to bed. Okay. Speaking of fantasy, before we get to the conversation I wanted to have about this exercise, are you watching a night of the Seven Kingdoms? No. Are you not a Game of Thrones guy? I am a game of I enjoyed Game of Thrones. I never, I didn't watch a second of the dragon. Yeah, prequel. I enjoy it, but it's not, it's not the same level. I may, I've heard good things about this. I will, I will probably

get to it, but I am in, I am in full on strict movie mode right now. All my watching time is movies. A Night of the Seven Kingdoms put me just all the way back into my Game of Thrones Fields with this most recent episode. Like, oh, man. And like, you know, it's funny because like when I was younger, like the Star Wars fanatics, like the people who knew everything about Star Wars, I didn't really understand it. And now that I've like been in the Game of Thrones universe for like half my life, like,

I finally can wrap my head around, like what that means, like the significance, it takes you back to different periods in your life. It just becomes like more special than really even it should probably. So yeah, no, I think you'll like another of the seven kingdoms. It's a little bit, the pace is a little bit different. It's a little more whimsical, but they're still like the stakes of like a good game of throne story. So yeah, I need to like it. I'm interested. Yeah. I think waiting until you can watch a bunch of the episodes is probably a good call too because they're short episodes so you can breeze right through them short episodes yeah they're shorter it's like uh i think it's it's a little bit more than a half hour but it's not anywhere close to an hour so interesting okay all right let's let's close this out

with safeties ej yeah but i have an exercise for you here oh or just at least a question a proposition uh when i brought up brought up nateeis he had a poll on social media uh where it was cooper de jean versus is Nick Emanwari. Ooh, that's a good one. It is fun. I think recency bias was really clouding

people's judgment on this one. It's like they just watched Nick Emanwari have an awesome, you know, Super Bowl. And it's like, well,

Cooper de Jean did as well. So I would take Cooper to Gene in that, but I'm curious where you would go. I would be lying if I, I haven't watched Nickyman Worry enough. I watch Cooper to Jean every week. I would probably still take Cooper DeGine.

Yeah. But I think Nicky Mnwarre is awesome and I think he's good enough to make you think about it. We should ask Fran tomorrow. Yeah. If you're building a defense, who are you starting with Cooper de Gene

or Nicky E. Manwari? I think I'm going Cooper to Jean because of the versatility. But I mean, Nick E. Manwari is very versatile too. I might be biased because I watch Cooper weekend and week out, but I'm taking Cooper to Gene.

Yeah. It's a good one, though, right? It's a good one. Where did he fall? I think, well, based off of his replies, I think Nate is a Cooper de Gene. I think he's on our side with Cooper to Gene here. But the poll was mostly Nicky Manwari.

Interesting. Yeah. All right. Well, that brings us too. You've got Nickymanworry. You've also got Julian Love and Kobe Bryant for the Seahawks. The Patriots, I think, a good lesson in, you know, if the Eagles lose, read Blankenship, you can paper over that position if you find the right guys.

You know, Craig Woodson and Jalen Hawkins, not exactly. the world's biggest names. They were both on the scrap heap. I think we had talked about Jalen Hawkins as a potential eagle signing last offseason. And then one of my favorite names in the NFL, the, I believe the description from the name guide a couple of years ago was what dogs tell other dogs about humans?

Del Pet Us. Is that actually what was in there? Yeah. I mean, I wrote it, yeah. Oh, you. wrote it okay yeah i love that one name that's a great one um you know like you're on the fence about these humans like should i trust him don't pet us

okay i love that drew macuba sydney brown and reed blank and jup and marcus ebts both for agents to be um yeah i think the eagles are behind on this one um you know i think i probably i'm going to take the seahawks here I don't know if that matters as much. Like, I mean, really, what were the positions that we feel like the Eagles are really, like, behind these other teams? Safety and tight end? I'm worried about the offensive line. Yeah, but not why.

Yeah, but I think if you go through the exercise, the roster on balance is healthy. Yep. It's a Super Bowl caliber roster still. Well, it is at the moment. We will see what they put together. Yeah, but even, I think we baked in, like, the future. prospects on some of these. If you told me Reed Blankenship is coming back, there's an upside for them to be as good

or better than these groups. Probably not better, but as good. Yeah. I think Seattle would still be a cut above. And difference making ability. Truthfully, the bigger difference is not really whether they sign reed blanket ship. It's whether or not Drew McCuba takes a leap. Yeah.

Reed raises the floor, but McCuba is the one that makes me think the ceiling could be a lot higher. So, yeah, I agree. That makes sense. And now, E.J., we go to Lindsay time. And we're back. Did you see Machiavel's chat? I miss Fran doing guys on my screen. We can make that happen as part of the pre-draft process.

Is that a supporter club video? Yeah, why not? How about special teams? Ha, ha, ha, ha. I thought you're being serious. Yeah. I mean, what do you think they're going to do with Jake Elliott thing? And they're going to bring in a kicker?

They probably should. They should. They absolutely should. I feel like just rattling it off my brain. I feel like the egos actually are behind in special teams. I mean, the Seahawks have very good special teams. And isn't that like the Patriots thing? Is that like they're conservative because they play field position with their good special teams?

I mean, it's an embarrassing. thing to be your thing if that's the case i mean that super bowl the way it was called like nick ziriani must have felt like very validated yeah yeah that was ugly there were a lot of fourth and one from midfield punts there were a lot of three and outs and there was a lot of like oh in this type of game you know it's about the field position it was i don't know yeah it was it was uh like i said I feel like Nick would have been feeling better about where he falls on that, on that, in that range based off of the way that that game went. A good point from Provalon John in the comments who says, if you do miss Fran doing guys,

he does have his own pre-draft podcast on All-City. So Google that. But he's not talking about doing guys on that podcast. Well, he's talking about the guys he has done. He's talking about it in a more literal sense. Yeah, he's not. I understand. He's not leaning into the silliness.

is a way to get your fix. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Good stuff today, E.J. Yeah, this was fun. I think it was, I hope that it was a telling exercise. It felt like I feel better about the Eagles roster than I did probably when we started it. But yeah, big question marks at some key spots for sure. Sounds good. Tomorrow, no bad ideas. Throwing it all out there. Not nothing to be held to, but, you. You know, let's just, let's get crazy. And then on Thursday, Flew World Order, fun stuff. Looking forward to it. So join us tomorrow 2 o'clock for E.J. and Lindsay.

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