PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles Shadow Draft: If Not Makai Lemon, Then WHO In Alternate Timeline?! | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: April 30, 2026

Makai Lemon, Eli Stowers and Markel Bell comprised Howie Roseman’s first three picks in the 2026 NFL Draft, to go along with the Jonathan Greenard trade. How could things have panned out differently if the Eagles drafted someone else early on? Bo Wulf and Fran Duffy provide their alternate drafts, with EJ Smith on top of it all. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody and welcome the PHOI Eagles podcast. On a Thursday afternoon live from the Xfinity Studio, presented by Ashley Bowulf, E.J. Smith, we will be joined by Fran Duffy in just a few moments. E.J., how you do it? I am doing well. I'm excited for this exercise, my first shadow draft. I'm curious to see how I did in comparison to you guys, but I've got philosophies. I've got principles.

I wrote down some things I want to make sure I hit on. Not debatable. But yeah, no, I'm excited for the show. All right. Yeah, we'll get into exactly what that means in just a minute. Big, big day in Philly. The Flyers. That was such a great game.

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The great, also the NFL draft analyst, our dear friend. Fran, time for a shadow draft. Now, EJ's asking some questions. He doesn't exactly know how this works. I could have explained it better. Oh, no, that's not on you. The conceit here is that every time the Eagles make a pick, we have to make a pick. Now, in a perfect world, we would make these picks live because part of the difficulty of doing a draft is you can't just sit back and, you know, see where guys go and then choose after that because we were doing in the middle of a show.

That was a little bit more difficult to do. But, you know, I don't know how you went about this. Obviously, you have your own board, which you have published on all p.hly.com. I created my board. And it doesn't, it is, you know, EJ is like, well, how did you decide what to do? You go by the board. And, you know, there are times when you might not, you know, want to duplicate a position. But if there's a guy with a higher grade, you're not going to drop down a tier.

But I will say that this year doing it is probably the year that that made it feel like the silliest exercise. because of the factors of the Grenard trade that you know that they knew about in the building and the A.J. Brown of it all. And so we will get to the idea of like at 23, you know, would I have moved up to 20 when the clear best player on the board is a defensive player who's duplicative with Jonathan Grenard? You know, you can't necessarily not trust the board, but it is like this one is going to reflect much differently than I think it would have been if we had actually been in charge of the draft. I think that's fair.

Before I respond to that, I just want to acknowledge, in case it went over your heads and anyone in the chat. I've turned off all the lights in my room because it's a shadow draft. So I just wanted to lay that out. I was wondering what was going on with the light.

Yeah, that's good. Yeah, that's good. I like that. I mean, I'm going to turn them back on very soon. But that said, yeah, for those reasons that you laid out, this was, it is difficult. And so, like, I've got names that,

but I think for obvious reasons as we'll talk through us as we go pickpike. pick you get the motivations behind certain things okay E.J. Do you want to talk about how you went about doing this for your first time? Um, I was probably swayed more by where players went than would be would be totally honoring the process of the exercise. If I'm being honest, um, I didn't necessarily go out of my way to replace an Eagles pick if I liked the pick. Okay. Um, but I had some philosophical differences at the beginning of the draft. And the only other thing I wanted to say

is that the trade up in the first round made the exercise a lot more difficult. For a multitude of reasons, one of the biggest one probably being that 110 pick gap between their third round pick and their fifth round pick, which made it harder to check some of the boxes that I came into wanting to check.

So I also did a second one, a second shadow draft where they didn't make that trade. Now, that is not my official submission. But as we talk to it, yeah, I do have a second one. And I found that one to be a lot easier to do. Now, we should say there is news that happened just before the podcast, the first round pick, Mackay Lemon, has inked a deal. Yeah, signed his rookie contract.

That is not all that. It would have been surprising if he did. So, you know, it's something that you expect. But I think it's always like a little bit encouraging to see them sign it before rookie mini camp. it means that they can really go full speed ahead once they get to rookie mini-catch. I mean, listen, I don't like to throw around the word hero loosely,

but Ian Grutman and David Benzackin of GSE Worldwide, I mean, bravo. Nicely done, because that's, that is fantastic work. Yeah, they did the deal. Great job out of them. All right. Let's get to the first round, and let's do it through the prism of the big takeaway, presented by our friends at Xfinity.

We all know what happened here. Eagles move up from 23 to 20 and trade two fourth round picks. And they say, Harry Roseman tells us that it's because they had 15 guys and there was only one left among those 15. How it worked out for me, Fran, is at that point, I had sort of a 1A and 1B for grades of first round grades. And there's only one guy left with a 1A grade. And I don't think that's going to surprise you who it is. It's Keldrick Falk. And Mackayle-Levin would be the top for me of that next tier, especially knowing the positions you want to attack. But I cannot, by principle, even though I'm expecting the Jonathan Grenard trade, I can't pass up on a guy from a higher tier. So in this exercise,

I am making Keldrick Falk to pick at number 20. And it's not exactly what I would like this draft to do because I want to attack the offensive side of the ball. And it's why if this was a situation with a little bit more leniency, I would stay at 23. And if Falk is still there, I would stay and pick or I would try to move down so that I could take a different offensive player. But for me, I got to trust the board.

You do the work on the board so that you can trust it. And I make Keldrick Falk the first round pick. How about you? It's boring and probably annoying to a lot of our listeners. Yeah. But I agree with you. Now, that said, knowing like, all right, the A.J. Brown trade is coming. And knowing that, you know, you're probably not going to get another crack at a talented,

a receiver as talented as McKay Lemon by the time you get to the second pick. To me, it's one of those where my board says Falk, My gut says it probably does make sense to go lemon here, especially given like if you are, if we are locked into them trading up, to me, you're not trading up for the pass rush or you're trading up for the receiver in this instance. Yes. You know, I've got Falk down, you know, for in terms of the show, but I do think that lemon like, as I've talked about all week, like, I think that lemon was a good pick. And I also think when you go, it speaks to Howie Roseman's read on the draft in a very positive way. in that when you draft Keldrick Falk here and you're thinking, okay, I would like to,

I would still like to add a receiver somewhere throughout the draft. I mean, I'm not getting it done. I will tell you, I'm not getting it done until round five because there's just, it gets picked over and like you are not able to add that guy. And so we will get to like comparing the draft classes at the end, but I miss out on not getting an impact wide receiver.

Spoiler. I don't have a receiver on mine for that reason. The receiver's just, the value was not there at the other spots in the draft. All right, go ahead. What happens with your first-round pick, E.J.? Is this going to make enough of a shadow on me? Is this? I turned the lights back on, by the way.

But yeah, that's pretty good. I was hoping to get a little bit of a shadow for my shadow draft here. Okay. So when I was going through this exercise, I went back to something I said. Something I went back to on the S is silent on that one. I went back to what I said on night one of the draft, which is what I thought the Eagles plan A was going into the first round, which was to get a blue chip talent at the offensive tackle position.

And I went against consensus here, which is something the Eagles don't typically do. But I went with Max Ihanna chore from Arizona State. My rationale for this is that I like to play a little bit more than consensus, especially for the Eagles, because they would be able to give him the red shirt ear that I think he needs to develop as a, technician and really be able to leverage some of the physical talent that he has into playing the

position a little bit more in a refined manner. And honestly, like, I know that it's a little rich to move up three spots again, but he went 21 overall. And I think that speaks to the fact that it's a premium position and those guys got pushed up the board. There was that run on tackles. And I think you can feel good about why Maxi Hanachor was available to them at 20 if they did move up ahead of the Steelers to get him. And for that, and I just, I would have felt better about the class if they had checked that box, you know, gotten the right tackle the future. I know we can talk about Markell Bell,

but for me, this was a little bit more of a, you know, a real right tackle of the future projection. And I felt okay about getting a receiver on day two. I think I felt better about it than you guys. And I will tell you that the, if for the first three picks, I'll give you what the consensus board pick would have been by Ariya Fassans. And it would be, it would be McIall Levin. No surprise.

So, again, I'm taking Keldrick Falk because I got to trust the process of the exercise. Yep. But I think that Mike, I think this kind of tells me that McIalleman was a very good result for them based on the way the draft plays out. Can I tell you the player I really, really struggled and almost gave them instead? You can probably guess. Knowing you, I don't know. Casey Conception. I'm not what I was going to say.

Yeah. Yeah, I really. Over lemon? Over lemon. Yeah. I like Casey Concepcion. Now, listen, situation for him, he's going to Cleveland. Like, is he going to, you know, necessarily hit his ceiling in that offense?

Potentially not. But especially with the Eli Stowers pick as part of the equation, I like Casey Concepcion as like a scheme, agnostic receiver. A player you can play on the outside a little bit more. It wouldn't shock me if he's the best receiver that comes out of this class. So I, if the Eagles had stayed at 23, he would have been my pick. Now, Fran, for you, how narrow would you get on the rankings? Because you're high on Sadiq. If it had been Sadiq and Falk, would you, I know you've got Falk a little bit higher,

but like are you willing to jump within a tier at all? No, I think I would have been at trust because I've got Falk very, very high. I probably would have taken Falk in that instance. now if it was Sadiq versus Lemon I would have taken Sadiq How about Freeling in there? Those grades are actually have a higher

So I have Freeling in a higher bucket Because of what his upside is Like so he's higher on the vertical board But I have better like in terms of how like the film grade Like I actually had a higher grade on Lemon As a player And then I had on Freelink So that would have been a

A bigger conversation in the draft room, I should say. Okay. Let's close the book on the big takeaway presented by Exfinity. We'll come back on the other side with our second round picks and more. I think we know. Brand's probably not drafting Eli Stowers. Don't put words in my mouth. Stay tuned to find out who he does draft.

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These Memorial Day deals won't last, so don't wait. Shop in store or online at Ashley today. Back in the PHY Eagles podcast, Bo E.J. and Fran Duffy continuing on in the 26 Eagles shadow draft. friend why don't I let you go first this time where are you looking at 54 in the second round yeah this one was

an easy one for me I would have gone with the Toledo safety Emmanuel McNeil Warren clearly my highest graded player on the board went a few selections later to the Cleveland Browns to me that it's a bigger immediate area of need while obviously tight end is certainly an area

where they can certainly address I looked at Emmanuel McNiel Warren is a guy that can come in and potentially start right away. And I had a higher grade on the player. So yeah, I went with EMW. I thought it was an easy one for me. I had eight players left on the board with second round grades. And I wanted to attack the offense, but only two of them were on offense.

Caleb Tiernan and Markle Bell. And you've got Gabe Akis and Deni Dennis Sutton along the edge, Gerbaud McCoy and Malik Mohamed at Corner and EMW and A.J. Halsey at safety. And so I'm thinking like, you know, I could go Caleb Tiernan here and take him. But the history of second round tackles is not great. And the history of second round safeties, especially in the back end of the round, is actually pretty good. And so as much as I want to attack offense and infuse some youth into that side of the ball, I am also going defense defense to start this draft.

And I go Keldrick Falk, Emmanuel McNeil Warren. Hmm. What are you each other? Three for three? Yeah, I was about to say you guys are just same same right now. So far. Yeah, I feel like you are going to have the same third round pick. We'll see.

I didn't go with Emmanuel McNale Warren. I really struggled with that. I heavily considered it. I think if you're going strictly off the board, that probably is the right call. I will concede that. But again, I think that the Eagles came into this draft with a prioritization of adding pass catchers,

adding dynamic weapons. And for that reason, I'm sticking with Eli Stowers. I am staying with Eli Stowers at number 54. My rationale is this. If McKay-Lemond is not part of the equation, I feel a little bit better about him being a featured part of the Eagles offense,

and I think you double down on Stowers' fit in a Sean Mannion offense and Sean Mannion's ability to get the most out of him as a receiving threat. I know, listen, we talked a lot about it. I know there are more complete, well-rounded tight ends in this class. I actually, I understand and felt confident in this exercise. I felt confident in the Eagles' ability to identify like this guy's upside is what we're drafting here.

Yeah. And again, having trust in the offensive coordinator to limit his weaknesses and take advantage of that upside as a past catcher. So for that reason, thinking with Eli Stafford. That's interesting, the thing you said there, because I actually feel like, Like, I feel better about the Stowers pick because they got Lemon. Really? Yes. That he is not going to be counted on to be like the guy who is the new toy on offense.

Like a philosophical thing. Yeah. You know, like Lemon is the guy who's here to make an instant impact in the passing game. Stowers can develop and they can have sort of a slower role for him in the beginning and then let that grow. Whereas if he's the top guy, then all of a sudden I feel like he is going to be sort of thrown into something he's not quite. ready for it. I feel like even if you, because and I will address receiver later in the draft, even if Stowers was your first pass catcher off the board, I'd have a hard time envisioning them really pushing like this. Okay, he's the AJ replacement. He's the guy that's going to take a big

role on this. I think it's more about the projection with him. And I looked at it more from, with McCoy Lemon and Eli Stowers as building blocks of your offense, you have two guys that, now Nate, you know, talked to me out of this a little bit, but still two guys that you need to have a creative vision for. They're not necessarily going to be one-on-one matchup, line them up, and let them win type of players. I feel better if you have one of those guys in Eli Stowers, rather than having both Mikhail M.Key-Lam and Eli Stowers as players that Sean Mannion needs to spend time figuring out how to use in a very specific case. Okay. Fran hates it.

Early third round, Fran. Number 68 overall. Let's find out if we have the same pick again. actually let's let EJ go first this time okay um so I didn't go receiver in the first round um I have drafted offensive players unlike you guys I'm going I'm sticking with offense

and I'm going with Ted Hurst a wide receiver from is it Georgia State or Georgia Southern I need to write this down Georgia State I did that a lot in the fall EJ that makes it feel better I was going back and forth like all the way up through the senior ball is it Georgia State or Georgia Southern yeah I don't know why I mean the colors should give it away

Hurston Stowers is kind of a fun. Yeah, to me, this is your, this guy has a pathway to doing some of the stuff that AJ does. Not all the same stuff. He's a third round pick. But I just, I liked, I liked this area of the drafts for wide receiver better actually than where the Eagles ended up taking McCoy Lemon. I felt like, you know, in the pre-draft process, the conversations that we had were a lot about like the top of this receiver class. Like, you're not getting like that, you know, one, clear number one receiver archetype. You're getting guys that fill out the room.

And for that reason, I felt like saving it for day two made sense. You know, it's funny. Like, I wanted to say two things. The first thing is that Antonio Williams was another player I considered because I think he kind of is like we've got Mackay Lemon on day two. He's poor man, Mackay Lemon. Yeah, he is like you can get Mackay Lemon type in the third round. You know, feisty slot receiver, not that big, but has a lot of intangibles.

And it's funny because both of those guys have drawn Amon Rae St. Brown comps. Amon Rae St. Brown went in the fourth round of the draft for the same reasons that were discussing with McCoy Lemon and a player like Antonio Williams. So for me, you guys know how I am. I bet on the traits. Ted Hurst is a tritzy receiver and looks a little bit more like what you would, what you would expect the Eagles to take if they were trying to find an AJ Brown replacement. Okay. For the record, this second round pick by the consensus board would be Germant McCoy, but if you sort of put him to the side because of the injuries, it would be McNeil Warren.

Okay. All right. Third round for me, brand this is where I just I've got one guy or two guys left on the offensive side of the ball with a second round grade just Caleb Tiernan

and Markele Bell I'm taking Caleb Tiernan adding him to this offensive line I know it's not the it's not the perfect scheme fit and obviously they like Markill Bell better they took him over him

but in my stack ranking I have Tiernan one spot above so I'm going with Caleb Tiernan interesting yeah I stayed on offense as well And I think Tiernan, like, to me, we've seen, like, obviously, Sean Manion comes over, Ryan Flerty comes over as their run game coordinator.

Tierney was a guy when I studied him in the fall. I said, yeah, he looks like a Packers offensive lineman. And so under Flerty, like, could see some of that. So that's, but obviously they chose Markell Bell over him. All right, I'm going to stay offense here. And there is one player who is just a higher grade than everybody else. I think I know how it is, but go ahead. Okay, it's a position that the Eagles did address in the draft.

And to me, I'm looking at this. I actually did this at the end of day two, knowing what we were going to do this exercise this week. And it turns out that this player was not available for the Eagles next pick at the end of round five. So I feel good about it. Justin Jolie, the tight end from at sea state. You get your move tight end.

He was the highest player graded for me at this point. He ended up being a mid-fifth round pick, Sean Payton, trading up. to go and get Justin Jolie. Yeah, I had a higher grade on Jolie than I had on, that I had on Eli Stower. So I was, yeah, I'm excited about the selection here in the third round. Now, this is like way against consensus for Fran,

but I like, and I see what he's doing here. This is him betting on this guy being a really good pro because he did the work on the guy. He's high on him in the pre-trap process. Yeah, no, it's what I'm saying? He did the work on the guy. And not for nothing. He went to a good situation.

He did. He's probably going to play pretty well in the NFL. So I respect it, Fran. I respect. I don't have any concrete reporting here but my understanding is Jolie was graded higher as a player than he ended up going by some teams that makes sense.

Yes. I like Justin Jolie. Yeah, he would have been the next offensive player in my board if you go to the third round. So I'm with you. All right. So both of us have gone defense, defense, offense, offense. And then we have a long wait.

However, I will tell you the Grenard of it all, if they hadn't made that pick, if for instance you say, okay, we drafted Keldrick Falk, we're not going to make the Jonathan and Grenard trade. At 98, who do they pick? It kind of makes, it reinforces that that was a good deal for them.

Because, I mean, you know, you could, you could draft Justin Jolie there. You could draft Elijah Surat. You could draft deny Dennis Sutton. but I think none of those guys is giving you the impact of Grenard and so even if you've got now Grenard and Jalick Hunt

and Nolan Smith and Kelloggick Falk and the three defensive tackles in the middle I think that's a fine problem to have man just a complete Caleb Proctor erasure you guys are just so quick to forget about them the defense tackle from southeast Louisiana I like Caleb Proctor but I have a fourth thought

went off the border 104 okay can I tell you the picks I would have made in the fourth round that I stayed put. Yes. All right. So at number one overall, 140 overall,

right? I'm taking Travis Burke, the offensive timeline at Memphis. This is a Fran Duffy favorite. You know, a real Matt Pryor out there, but with a little bit more power.

You really sounded hard to our viewers. He went 117 overall to the charges. That's Malik Mohamed for me. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I feel good about that. I was very tempted to just give him Devin Moore,

which is, I mean, that's who the Cowboys took at 114. But tried to prioritize some offensive line, especially because in the scenario where I'm laying out right now, it is KC Concepciona 23, because Maxi Anatur was not available to me. And then at 137, I did take the player that was picked 137 overall, L.T. Overton. At 137 is where I take Justin Jolie. Okay, I like that. If I could have moved up to get denied Dennis Sutton after taking Travis Burke, I would have done that. Okay.

But, you know, now we're getting into way too many scenarios here. Okay. All right. So we're through the first three picks for the Eagles. We'll get to what we do on day three and then compare our halls after these words from our sponsors. All right. Quick time out here. And this one is worth hearing.

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done. Awesome work out of them. Let's get to the fifth round, Fran. 178. This is the Cole Payton pick for the Eagles. Where are you going? So I'm going to go right after your own heart. I'm going to go Deeks here. And I'm going to take the dynamic running back, Daman Claybourne.

To me, he was one of the – he was the highest-graded player on the board for me. This is a player I do think has dynamic change-of-paced qualities for the NFL, gives the Eagles something they don't quite have. Like, if you view tank Bigsby as like the primary backup, you know, Will Shipley is kind of like dirty work. like change of pace. I think that at the end of the day, Claiborne is a guy that's got a little bit more juice than Shipley. You know,

getting him at this point with a compensatory pick in the fifth round, I think is good value. Yeah, he's got juice and also returns kicks. So it gives them a legitimate dynamic kick returner as well. I am quite surprised that the Eagles did not sign an undrafted running back. And, you know, we'll see. We're going to be at rookie minicam tomorrow. Presumably there will be some tryout guys there.

but Sequin, Bigsby, Shipley, Damien Pierce is here who they signed and they have Carson Steele as a fullback and that's it. Like, it feels weird that there's not an extra guy in there. Now it's also a place where you could always pluck somebody at a cut down day, but still. It kind of feels like tight in from last year.

What's that? Also, like a really bad class. Like, it was a horrible class. Oh, that's true. Even the unjointed free agents, it's just like, out of the barrel. Yeah. for me

there are only four guys on offense with a fourth round grade left at this spot Garrett Nussmeyer who something's going on there John Michael Gillenborg and Michael Trigg who I know you hate

and Dionne Burks and I have not drafted a wide receiver yet Dionne Berks has some real juice he's he's bringing a little bit of a different element to the offense It's a fifth round pick, so our expectations are not high. This is not an A.J. Brown replacement.

But I am happy to get Dionne Burks and his speed as my makeup test at running back, or at wide receiver this late in the draft. I like it. E.J. I'm going to go quarterback here, but it's not going to be Cole Payton. I'm going to take Taylin Green. A classic E.J. pick. I'm going to kind of throw out this like, oh, like, could he do a Taysome Hill thing?

Like I just want who I think has a chance to be like a serviceable backup quarterback in the NFL. And I felt like Tailing Green checked that box. I am realizing when I go, when I realized when I went through this how many players I like that ended up with the Browns, which I mean, maybe the Browns are doing something. Maybe maybe they're cooking over there. But it's probably not the best, the best indicator for how these guys will be in the NFL. Okay. My sixth round pick, 207. Micah Morris selection for the Eagles.

And once again, those same other options on offense are still available with the fourth round grade. On defense, I have Cole Wisniewski who has a fourth round grade for me. But Michael Trigg, the Baylor Tide end, who ends up going undrafted, to me is not that different from Eli Stowers as a prospect. He's not quite the same elite athlete, but as a one-trick pony wide receiver, he's got some great ball skills. Dionne Berks and Michael Trigg are my additions to the past catching room.

And I'm excited about Michael Trick. We don't need to harp on this, but being like, oh, he's like kind of like Eli Stowers. He's just not as athletic. It's like that's the whole point. Like, that's like Eli Stowers whole thing. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, goes undrafted, not a shock that he ends up in Dallas. So he'll be vying for a back end job there with the, with the Cowboys. So, all right. So sixth round. I do not go with Michael Morris here, although I do like that pick. I do go quarterback, and I get a guy that was not available

with the next selection, and I'm going to go with quarterback, Garrett Nussmeier. He's available at 244. Was he at 244? All right, well, he was so high on my board that I was like, all right, I'm going to take him here on this spot.

So I'm going to take him a 244. But yes. I think that's reasonable. Go ahead. At 207, and I'm going to start a trend here, I like Michael Morris. as a pick. I'm sticking with Micah Morris. I feel like it was a very eaglesy pick. It makes sense for him. Yeah, I liked it. No complaints, no notes.

Guess what? It's not just Michael Lemon. Oh, man. Eagles have also signed. Cole Peyton. Cole Wisniewski. Shout out to Nick Linta. You're going to love this. And then, seventh round pick at Kishon James Newby. has signed with the Eagles, and you got to say, fantastic job getting the difficult seventh round contract negotiations done

by Mark Hennis and Ross Jones from the Great Leverage Football. I was going to say, what agency are we talking to? Yeah. Just heroic stuff from them to get that done. I mean, there's a reason it takes two guys to get that deal done. Yeah, absolutely. Tough one to hammer out. And it's.

Now, how do we feel like the Eagles did on these deals? You know, Bryce Johnson just left? Yeah, they probably got wrecked over the colds. You worried about some of like... And you got to, you gotta wonder if, if there's a bit of a, an early character issue with Eli Stowers, not getting signed yet. Right? No, absolutely not.

This is like when you were doing the Jalen Hertz shorts. Yeah. You want to do one? I mean, to me, it's not a red flag. It's a yellow flag. What does this mean about for Jalen Hertz? It's really a question that you need to be asking. Could he be negotiating as a quarterback?

Markell Bell is actually, he's going to sign soon. It's just it's taking him a while to get all the way down to where the paper is. It makes sense. From how high up he is. Yeah, maybe Eli Stowers is saying, I think I deserve a quarterback's rookie contract, you know? A little extra cheddar. Actually, I think what's going on is how he is using Fran Scouting Report to try to drive the price down. So he's on his way over here.

is really what's happening. He wants to have a word with us. All right. Give me the, give me, give me the three seventh round picks that you make, Fran. So I kept it as Cole Wisniewski. I liked that pick and he was my highest graded player at that spot. So I went Cole was Nuski there. I also kept it as Uar Bernard. I'm good with that. You know, I didn't have him graded. Yeah, I didn't have him graded, but who might have to change that pick? Got out of here. I know. And then Kishon James Newby, I went with my highest graded player. you know I went and I got Justin Joe Lee as my pass catcher uh

who went who went undrafted but I think could develop into one of the best blocking tight ends in football uh let me get the other NC state tight end in this class Cody Hardy uh the dominant inline presence for the wolf pack am I allowed to change mine because that is a great idea um I went Garrett Nusser my own the first pick.

And then Cole Wisniewski would have been my pick, but he gets, he gets taken. So I can't get Cole Wisniewski. I love the U.R. Bernard pick. It's great. I didn't have him on my board, so I'm not going to, I'm not going to pretend like I can do that. I go John Michael Gillenborg there, double down at tight end. And then my final pick, Caden Barnett, the guard from Wyoming.

So a double dip at Wyoming at the end of the draft. Double dip on, double dip on drafted free agents as well. Caden Barnett going to Chicago after that. the draft. Oh, okay. And so there, well, you finish yours and then I'll give you my whole, my whole rundown. I went chalk on day three. Well, in the, I went to, I went to, get L'3 picks. I went chalk in the seventh round. I should have had Cody Hardy already. I mean, what am I doing? So my, my official one, maybe chalk, but the one in here, the one right here, Cody Hardy's in that spot instead of Keishon James Newby. All right. So my draft as a whole,

Caldrick Falk Emmanuel McNeill Warren Caleb Tiernan Dion Berks Michael Trigg Garrett Nussmeyer John Michael Gillenborg and Caden Barnett and I like that group

but I am not going to sit here and tell you that it's definitely a better situation for the Eagles than what they came out with yeah how about you Fran yeah I think that you're exactly right on that

and honestly it's the way I feel about mine we've got a lot of similar types of picks I do think going through this exercise and knowing full well, like, all right, I got no receivers on the board just with how the value played out. So dealing up to go and make sure you get Mackay Lemon, even though he may not have been the highest graded player on the board for me, I think makes all the sense in the world knowing you're going to trade AJ Brown. And so, you know, I do think that with that information in mind, yeah, I think that's

the context required here for that pick. I feel pretty good about my class. I feel like this is the ushering in of a new young nucleus on the offensive side of the ball. I wish, looking back, I wish I borrowed from the philosophies that built the defensive side, you know, but I think it's also a reflection of where the talent was in this draft. You weren't getting a bunch of proven commodities from big schools in the SEC necessary. What are you laughing about? I'm still laughing at what Fran said before, but.

That is true. I would have been destroyed. Thank you for putting that out. I can't read that. Leith in the face. Latina face? Where are we out in 11 party March? Should I not have said that on the show?

I don't know. But yeah, I feel good about my class. I think my class is the one that if we were looking back at it, if Eagles had actually done any of these, I think you would have felt the best about mine in an Eagles context. You guys, I respect that you were honest to your board. But when Howie Roseman says that, like, there's only so much truth to, like, you just pick the best players on your board.

The draft is a separate entity than what you need. I think I checked more boxes. So he's saying he knows more ball. No, I'm actually not. I would not say that I know more ball, especially more than Fran when it comes to the draft. If you're drafted for need, you had a bad draft. That's awesome, Howard Roseb. Yeah, but, I mean, it's not like I was drafting for immediate need.

I mean, I drafted a red shirt tackle. That still need. Long-term need, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I think my biggest takeaway from this year's version of this friend was the wide receiver total drop-off. Yeah.

And if you prioritized needing somebody to help change the face of that room post-A.J. Brown, it makes the trade-up for Lemon look even better than I think it did live on night one. Yeah. And it makes me wonder. like let's say, you know, lemon go, let's say lemon goes in the top, uh, 18 instead of Ty Simpson, right? Like, let's say, just, you just, you know, he ends up going. So all that, that same tackle run happens. Yeah. And you don't have lemon to trade up for. You don't have Sadiq to trade up for, right? Yeah. Uh, I wonder if you either are, I mean, you wouldn't be able to stay put to

take a hontechore unless you knew you were going to have to trade up to take a hontechore. Or maybe you were trade, maybe it was Concepcion at staying at 23. Um, Or you were trading down to get Omar Cooper Jr. Maybe that's a possibility as well. I think my guess, and that is the right framing if Simpson doesn't go. I think my guess is they would stay for Concepcion? Maybe. I mean, yeah, they probably weren't moving up for Ehanichore.

Maybe they would have. Yeah, but also Ehanatur might be there because they take Lemon. Well, no, I thought you said if lemon goes there. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, I think Yohantra probably still doesn't make it to them in 23. And at that point, then, yeah, maybe it is Concepcion. I kind of like that draft better. I think, honestly, you don't have to change too much about the draft

and you have those fourth rounders. But that speaks to what I think of KC. Conception. What's also interesting is the way the second round plays out, you would like to think that if you don't trade up from 23 and you stick and pick there or you move back a little bit, you can then move up in round two. But if we think they're attacking offense, like that there's not really a guy for them to move up for in round two.

I think they would just, they would still stay and take stowers. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the other receivers in that area. Yeah, I mean, Jeremy Bernard. Yeah, it's not. I mean, it's ugly.

Where did my boy Chris Bell go again? He went to the dolphins at 94. To EJ's point too. Like I would be remiss if I didn't also say that like I had nearly identical grades on Concepcion and Lemon. Like I had very, I had those guys very closely graded. Lemon did have the slight edge for me, but very easy.

Like if you said, like, who do you feel best about, like scheme agnostic? It would be, it would be Concepcion for me. So, but in this Eagle situation, like, I'm going, I think Lemon, he's in a position to be able to hit his upside. Yeah. Why couldn't the chiefs have just drafted Casey Concepcion? Did us a favor, so we all could take a victory lap on this one. I mean, they're, they don't have the most sterling record of drafting receivers high either. though. Yeah, but I just feel like in Cleveland, I'm not going to be able to pull this tape in a

couple of years. Maybe I will. And I'll just take this part out. The power of editing. Pod Munkin. Yeah, one of my comps for him was Zay Flowers. He had some success with the flowers. All right, you're giving me some hope here, Fran. I appreciate that. All right, Fran. Thanks for hanging with us. He's got the, uh, oh, yeah. The 2027 must. Stick around. We're going to take a little break. And then I want to ask you about next year's class. Let's let's just get right into it. Stay tuned. Do you need help with pests?

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Back on the page of the Langeos podcast. Franio. Brandio. Yeah. Franipolis. Fran Dippilus. It's like Boseferratu. Fran Carthon.

It's a loopy Thursday, so I feel like I can say this. Randall-Rizian. No, this is exciting. You're going to like this. Sometimes in our house we say Fran Duffy, like this sausson way to say bad bunny. I'm not going to. gonna do it on the show because I think I probably could get in trouble for doing it.

What do you mean? You don't know how people say bad bunny? Like the way that bad bunny would say bad bunny, Lindsay knows, like baboni. Yeah, and so. Like, Frandolfi. I hope I didn't offend anybody by doing that. Pretty good. You kind of like.

You fended me. And that's just, and that's just you and the dog? No, it's me and Julia. You guys have nicknays in our house. You're a boast for Rattu. I've already told you this. Okay.

Yeah. I don't think you have one yet, Lindsay. I'm sorry. Now she's upset. Unbelievable. I mean, Lindsay's a good name. She's still a Lindsay new producer in my phone. She's not.

She is her government in my name. Whole government in my name or my contact. Friend, you wanted to give us a little sneak peek on next year's draft because you're already starting to do this work. And the early returns are that it'll be better than this year's. Yeah, so all weeks are the first three and a half days of my week this week, we're spent watching all the undrafted free agent signings from around the All-City Network. So for the five teams under our umbrella. So once I got that done, it's said, all right, now it's time to move on to the 2027, two early mock draft.

And so as part of that process, one of the thing I'll do is I'll text, you know, one or two area scouts in each area. Like, hey, like, here's what I have, here's what I'm thinking names wise. Here's what I'm thinking like, you know, fringe guys. Like, is there anybody else that you feel definitely should be in there? And I would say that the types of conversations I'm having right now compared to the ones I had one year ago at this time doing the same exercise, the tone is much, much different. And the, like, I am well beyond a list of 32 players that are like,

oh, yeah, like this guy can go in the first round. This guy can go in the first round. So I am going to have to be much more judicious, A, about which quarterbacks go in. It's not going to there's not going to be like eight quarterbacks in. And then number two, I'm not going to put red shirt sophomores. Like third year sophomores, you know, guys that were redshirt freshman last year. I'm not going to put them into this mock because it's like, yeah, like, I want to be able to get some of these other names so that people know, like, who are some of these talented players that scouts are very excited about around the NFL. Arch going to be one-one?

What's that? Arch going to be one-one. Yeah, Arch is 1-1. I've started writing the mock. So it's Arch Arch is 1-1 to the Arizona Cardinals. Fran doesn't ride the waves of the internet losers. Arch has always been 1-1 in 2027. Loaded wide receiver class at the top, right?

Two guys in the top five for me right now. Now here's the thing is that, and I say this at the very top, some of these players, I've got full scouting reports done, right? Where I watched them in the fall and wrote them up because I thought they might enter this class. So like Oregon defensive tackle Amari Washington was the first year, starter and I thought he was going to come out. He was in my mock draft in January and then after the mock came out like he went back. So I'm like, all right, well, this guy, this guy,

I had him in the top 20 last year, another full year of development. This guy's going to be close to the top 10 would be my guess. So there are some where I've got full writeups, some where it's all right, like, I've kind of got the book a little bit on Jeremiah Smith. I haven't written them up yet, but it's like, yeah, that guy's a really good player. So, you know, I feel good about those. Others, it's just, it's purely, like I might watch a little bit just to, you know, before I write it up, just to, you know, I've got eyes on him. Like, you know, this guy. looks like a first round talent. This guy does not.

So yeah, that's my part. And I kind of couched it with that. Oh, you know what? Actually, I do have one. This is, this is interesting. So off of last year's mock. That's what I was going to just. I was just trying to find last year's early.

Yes. So I actually have numbers on it. So I turned my monitor off over here to do the funny shadow joke, the not really funny shadow shadow. It was funny. So give me one second. I'll wait for that to turn back on. I believe, here it is.

All right, so 32 picks in last year's mock draft. I actually did not. It's not terrible because I know I've looked at others. I had 13 first round picks right. Okay. I'll take that. Four guys went back to school. Eight went on day two.

So I had 21 of the 32 picks, you know, went in the first two days of the draft. And then if you had four in, that was pretty good. 25, 25 picks. That's pretty good. Four guys went on day three and three went undrafted, including an Eagles undrafted free agent. Jayden Roberts? Nope.

No. Teammate, though. Ooh, let's do. The linebacker. Dequine. Yonelawson. Deacon Lawson. It was before I had studied Lawson.

When I studied him, he was not, he, I will say, like, when I studied him in the summer, he did not make my, my preseason mock draft. Okay. So like the, you know, the tools were not necessarily there for a first-round linebacker. Here we go. Can I read through it? Yeah. All right.

1-1. T. Yeah. It's a good reflection on he had a down season. Jaden Proctor at two. Good call. Garrett Nussmeier at three. You know, he had the injury.

Lerner Sellers goes back to school. Spencer Fano in the top in the top ten, nailed it. Two. To the Browns. Nice. That's pretty good. Drew Aller. Okay.

You got to push the quarterback's up. Peter Woods goes in the first round. Katie Clubnick. Now this is where this is where you. fell victim to before the study yeah before I cited him the Matt Miller of it all

Francis Maui Noah top 10 nicely done Caleb Downs at 10 overall two spots away from where he goes Anthony Hill one spot one spot Anthony Hill goes in the second round right second or third

second round yeah Germad McCoy would have been a first round pick yep Avion Terrell okay nicely done Denzel Boston second round pick Carnell Tate first round pick

Antonio Williams, okay, Geldrick Falk, your boy. Jeremiah Love. L.T. Overton, okay, never popped, but you know, you had the player right, Deonté Lawson, as you said, Caleb Lomu.

I heard, by the, heard, by the way, that the Eagles had some interest in Caleb Lomu. Really? Potentially the back end of the first round. Just one to keep in mind. Do you think that was a move up to end of first round or move down from 23?

I think that might have been we don't move up from 23 and we're trying to get back in. Got it. Yep. So, Mattayu Uagalelele. Went back to school? Went back to school. Ruben Gala.

What is it? Uiangalae. Uiangalae. That is beautiful. I love that. Uyonglelelele. Rubin Bain, nicely done. Isaiah World.

Might have been, if he didn't tear the ACL, possible. Tyreek Sapp goes back to school. Gay Backus? He'll be a day three guy. Oh, he did? Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm sorry.

Gabe Backus. Austin Barber. Evan Stewart. Back to school. Antosaka? Evans Stewart tore his ACL in May during spring ball. I got the end of spring ball. So I missed all of this past season.

That's a bummer. Yeah. And Osaka? Transfer, went back to school. Kayla Banks, nicely done. Dylan Thinaman nicely done. Ooh, that is a very good pull right there. Yeah.

And Kenyon Sadiq, nicely done. To the Eagles. To the Eagles. If only. Oh, you projected Eagles to win the Super Bowl, too. It was all Super Bowl odds. It was the same way I did it this way. So current Super Bowl odds reversed.

And where are the Eagles in this one? They are picking at, I want to say it's 20. Hold on. They are picking at, nope, they're picking at 27. Yeah, okay. That tracks. Who's 32nd this year? Rams.

Really? I guess that makes sense. Rams are 32nd. Seahawks were 31, but I was like, I wouldn't have the 31st pick. So I swapped them and Buffalo. Buffalo is at 31, Seattle at 30. Hmm. That tracks.

Yeah. I think that makes sense. Although Buffalo, I mean, Joe Brady's going to lead him to the Super Bowl? Yeah, it's a quarterback. They're all quarterback best. I know it is. All right. Yeah.

When I'm looking at the Super Bowl odds, it's all like, it's just the top quarterbacks. the top quarterbacks. Fran. Thank you very much. Excellent work, Fran. What are you going to be doing the next few days? I'm going to do, I'm going to finish this mock, get that out. Then I'll start, uh, it's a lot of, all right,

pick whichever team. I'll probably start out and say I'll probably start alphabetical and go with the Cardinals and spend my six hours and watch all the, the access stuff and the press conferences and things like that for the Cardinals. Oh my word. Meant. Maniac. The guys, it's amazing.

machine and dive into 2012 I especially after these conversations I've had with people the last couple days like I'm very excited to start the deep dives for the uh 2027 class so I might start that tune as soon as well and soon enough next year's diehard draft guide will be live oh you never know that work to do I was I will say like the bones are built of it are that's already there because I told you I wrote a bunch of guys up and where they were in the guide back in the fall so I had I needed I needed somewhere to put them so I just created a page I was like, all right, 2027 diehard draft guide. It's literally already made.

I could hit share, but we'll wait a little bit to share that thing. And beef it up, man. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you, Fran. Great to see you. See you guys. Love you.

Love you. Okay. That guy, man. Nobody better. I didn't want to make him feel weird, but I was thinking about it after the draft. And the thing about Fran is like, he's incredibly talented and he loves this. Like, he genuinely loves this. like you ask him like are you going to take a break this weekend he's like no I'm going to go through all the

undrafted guys I'm going to see the guys I didn't scout I'm going to look at 2027 like it's like the work ethic is informed by how much he loves the process which I think is really special I think that's very nice yeah like I said I said that to him yeah but you can see his reaction right now yeah he's taking his pants off it's really he is not taking his pants off he just got off the zoom he's like get me out of here I am uncomfortable No show tomorrow But we are going to be at Rookie Meantam

We are Can't wait to see UR In Pat That's the first thing You're going to be looking forward to seeing Absolutely Yeah

Yeah How does this guy look How often is it The seventh round pick I mean he's not going to be in pads They don't have pads Yeah but still You want to see him in the uniform

Yeah It's not often you Like the seventh round pick Is going to get more pub Than the first round pick In the uniform Yeah But I think this is going to be one

I will be keeping an eye on They got a huge, huge game today. Semi-finals of the Europa League against Nottingham Forest. First leg or second leg? First leg, it's away. They get the home leg, the second leg, the second leg, home leg, because they were the higher, they finished first in the league phase of the competition. It's one of those terrifying things where they should win.

Like, they are the favorites for this competition, which just makes it unenjoyable, almost. And then I try to push back on that, you know? Like Eagles fans can attest to this. Like if you go into every year, like saying if they don't win the Super Bowl, it's a failure, then you just, it's not an enjoyable experience. You have to try and enjoy just the ride, you know, the stakes that they've earned. They've earned those stakes. You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

Sure. I'm trying to talk through this like it's therapy, but I need this. I have a question for you to see how well you know the Eagles. Okay. The current team. A little nervous about this. Go on. Ask you the question in.

No way, aren't we? Okay, well. Ask the question and then we go. Here's, I'll give you some time to think. Yeah. At the Flyers game last night, they showed the Eagles box. Mm-hmm. And up on the screen, they showed one player, but behind the player, you could see one coach

and one other recognizable Eagles staffer. Okay. I want you to be able to get all three. Okay. And you're going to have to do it in. And I don't have any inside info. I'm guessing completely. Player, coach, staffer.

I feel good about the staffer. I feel okay about the player and coach. Was it? Well, Dom DeSandro is the staffer. I was going to tell you that it is a staffer that's not Dom DeSandro. Because that is the obvious guess. All right. I'm not going to get the staffer off the top of my head.

But I think knowing that it's not Dom, I think you will get the staffer. I'm not so sure I think it's Zach Bonn Not Zach Bonn That's a good guess though A good guess Yeah I know he likes the Flyers

He likes hockey It's not Cooper de Jean Because he's not in town Even though he's a big Flyers guy as well It is Cooper de Jean Oh is it So he's in town I just didn't see

I told you I didn't have any inside info Okay oh Yeah Well then it's Cole Yes Yes Now you're counting as a coach right No, he's not the...

He's the staffer. Okay, so Cole. So then I got a coach. Is it Joe Casper? Yes. Okay. Secondary coach, Joe Casper? Yeah, you did well then.

Yeah, I got there. No, you did well then. Once I found out Coop was in town, I'm like, okay, I know where you're going with this. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I knew that... It's a pretty, once you know, it's easy to get the rest, right? What is Cole's title? We should make sure we give this for context of the head coach?

That was his title last. last year. Yep, still assistant, Cole Peterson, assistant to the head coach. Okay. He is,

you see him in pictures and videos. He kind of, I mean, he kind of is like a mini-dom in some ways, like, you know, just like mannerisms.

Man about town. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. His picture is next to Dom's on the team's website, so I feel even more emboldened to say that.

So, there again. You know well, that was good. Yeah. Again, I know that Cooper, has been in Arizona for the offseason, but it sounds like, yeah, he came in town to watch the game.

Good for him. Well, I guess he's in town for the, he's in town for OTAs. Oh, yeah, sure. Okay. We got there. All right. Good week. Thanks to everybody who joined us. Thank you to Fran. Thank you to Lindsay.

And most of all, thank you to Ian Grutman for giving us I thought it was gutt. News to digest. On a Thursday. And the other guy, too. Something Ben Wacking. I don't know what it is.

It's not that. Check out the new Flyers merch. Speaking of. And we will talk to you on Monday. Yeah, no show tomorrow. At 2 o'clock. But stay tuned to all the PHLY coverage. Anything that happens at Rookie Manicamp, we'll tell you about.

We'll find a way to get you that information. Like the video for us, too. It helps us out a lot. Oh, yeah. Not doing so well on the, on the, uh, I think we said it too high. I think we set the like, that's you. I set the light goal too high and that's fine. You're going to just, are you going to just look it up lemon party just for kicks now? That, the whole point of the light goal was, I wasn't going to do it. If not, I, you know, should we send a light goal today? We're low.

You tell me. Yeah, they got an extra day. You know, we'll, we'll check it on Monday. I said 750 yesterday. I'm feeling generous on my, on a Thursday here. 63. No, it is not going to be 63. Uh, let's say 500 likes. they got 400 last time it probably was 450 or 500 by the end of the show 500 likes and i will google lemon party on the show during overtime and you can see my reaction when i figure out what everybody has been talking about what all the fuss has been about 500 likes that's the new just a very human thing not that's big of a deal all right uh for all of us here at p h o why we thank you for watching and listening we will talk to you on monday don't miss the coverage of the sixers game

tonight with the Sixers guys. Exciting time to be a Philadelphia sports fan. We will talk to later. And as always, we love you.