PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Eagles training camp: Cooper DeJean might be the answer to the Eagles’ CB2 problem

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

Jalen Carter was feisty during a rain-soaked Eagles practice, but the big news was the movement of Cooper DeJean to the outside as Kelee Ringo, Adoree’ Jackson, Jakorian Bennett and Mac McWilliams continue to fight for a starting job opposite Quinyon Mitchell on Jalen Hurts’ Eagles team. EJ Smith and Bo Wulf have everything you need to know about the latest on the Eagles. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody. And after that new spicy intro, I can tell you that we are live from the Xfinity studio, presented by Doudet Dental, Xfinity and True Mark Financial Credit Union. Bo Wolf E.J. Smith, after a rainy Monday practice at the Novacare Complex, we've got this and two more practices before the end of camp. And then the preseason finale on Friday, E.J., how are you? Did you stay dry? I stayed relatively dry, which is the operative word.

Relatively would be the operative word there for sure. my notebook didn't do so great today. You know, there is... Top page of mine was a disaster. You know, not to just derail us from the... Let's get into it. Some pages stuck together in here. You know, it is a rough look for the old league.

For that reason. Yes, yes, exactly. I knew you were going to say that, which is why I had some hesitation bringing it up in the first... I thought you were going to talk about how wrinkly they were. You know, like they were in the bath

for an hour or something like that. Well, I appreciate that you asked me how I was doing, but I want to know how you're doing because you had a tough break today. You asked a Vic Fangio about your Brandon Johnson. And he gave you a no. He really, he really.

I mean, this was, I had to muster up the courage. You know, it was like, it was like asking, like the person you have a crush on their best friend. Like, you know, do you think they might have a crush on me or something? You know, I'm like, okay. You know what? Today is the day. I'm going to ask Vic. Because, listen, there was a reason.

Brandon Johnson was, he started the game, played the whole first half at Nickel. He'd moved up the depth chart. He was the number two nickel. I said, so. Hey, Vic. please like I always going to question what what what is a Brandon Johnson done to move up

the debt chart at nickel please say something nice and he said well he got hurt in the game so you're not going to see him today and he had a good week of practice but he got beat a couple times and that was it no cell my old my former colleague

Jeff Iberg said that he gave you a supportive pat on the back he did very nice yeah sorry buddy that was very nice I you know what that was a fine answer He had a good week of practice. Yeah. No, I just, I figured I needed to be a good friend at the start of the show and make sure I checked on you.

That's all. I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's cold. I was, I'm rocking my, uh, my Justin Hunter, uh, Heisman shirt here from the good folks at DNVR because it was an unopened sweatshirt that we had in the studio here. And nobody's worn it. And I was freezing.

So now I'm not. So shout out to Justin Hunter going to change the game. I keep saying Justin Hunter. I was wondering what, what, I was wondering if I was, I've been doing this for months. Travis Hunter. That's a bad job by me. I should have checked on that with,

I was like, I have been doing that. I cannot get his name right. Justin Hunter was a good player. Alter ego, like maybe Justin's a wide receiver. Travis is the corner. That's not a bad idea.

Yeah. I think he wants to be a better receiver than Justin Hunter was. Yeah. Yeah. How was your weekend? How was your wedding? Congratulations to you.

Yeah, well, I've been married for a while now. But the wedding was good. Yeah, it was at the Franklin Institute. It was a cool experience. Haven't been in a planetarium for like 15 years, so that was fun. And yeah. I bet that wedding was out of this world.

The start time was a little nebulous. That was the best time. That's my wife's joke. I can't take credit for that joke. But yeah, we had fun with that one. Okay. I did watch the game, though. We'll talk about the game later.

Okay, we'll talk about the game. You know, why don't we get into the game right now? Let's talk about the Ford Drive of the game, E.J., presented to you by your local Ford store. Tell me what was your big takeaway watching this game after the fact? I had two big takeaways. The first one was that I feel like we got...

If you have two big takeaways, do you really have one? Yeah, I think both things can be true, right? You know, I'm a multifaceted human being and thinker. So I would say my biggest takeaway was that we got the Andrew McCuba experience in the preseason, yes. But because we did see him, the who's that loser? you referred to him on the Saturday pod. For Cedric Tillman.

Cedric Tillman. A lovely guy. Nothing but respect for him and all that he's fighting for. You know, we are on good terms. So you've issued an apology? No, I just, I know that we're on good terms. All right, fair. He doesn't know who I am and he'll never know.

I don't think he was too upset by that. The experience of like seeing him push off against Andrew McCubin creates space that way. Maybe that's a penalty in a, you know, in a well-officiated game. But still, that is kind of my concern is that one-on-one. one against bigger players, really, and most players are bigger than Andrew McCuba, he might have trouble in coverage with the more physical aspects of the game. But with that said, I mean, he more than made up made up for it with the interception. I mean, the fumble recovery, right place, right time, but still, I think he made enough splashy plays to sort of absolve those one or two catches that

you may have to live with with a player like him. So I did. I felt like this was kind of a best case Andrew McCuba scenario as someone who is, I mean, I wasn't skeptical of him when they draft in him, but I think this summer, I will, I will most likely leave training camp with some questions about how they can insulate him and about some aspects of the job that he will be asked to do. I think that's all very reasonable. Vic threw some cold water on the performance said like, yeah, those were just bad plays by the Browns.

Yes. I mean, especially the fumble. We all, that's fair. Even the interception is between two Browns received. A little bit more credit, but yes. He said that was their mistake. But I think those are. are all very reasonable concerns.

And let's, let's pull back from the preseason game itself and tell me where Andrew McCuba practiced today because it seemed to me like he got more time with the ones. Yes, he got, I called it the lion's share of the reps with the ones. Sidney Brown was the first safety up when they went to team,

but he came out pretty quickly in favor of Andrew McCuba. I mean, yeah, he worked with the starters pretty much the entire day, which definitely, as much as Vic downplayed, it definitely feels like a reaction to the preseason game. Now maybe it's a reaction to him getting

healthier and then starting to progress him more. But no, I definitely, it was noticeable how much more work he got with the ones. And I thought he had a fine day today. I think it was mostly a quiet day for Andrew McCuba. But yeah, I think. Quiet day at safety is a good day. Yeah, exactly. I think that he, I think like going into training camp, my guess was that the Eagles wanted Andrew McCuba to win this job and unleash Sidney Brown as a special team's demon and sub package, you know, to like he can be like a real asset in certain sub packages early downs in situations like that i think you could find a role for sydney brown in this defense still but as the post safety we've talked about it before that's supposed to be a thinkers position in a vig Fangio system it's supposed to be

somebody that you can trust to handle a lot of responsibilities i think that Andrew macub was a better fit for it um again i think there are some concerns but uh yeah he had a solid day today and i think that this is kind of, I feel like he is starting to run away with that job a little bit off of the preseason game. A few more days of training camp or we'll get to see it,

but it wouldn't surprise me to see him as a week one starter after this. I agree with you. I think he will be the week one starter. I mean, listen, when you draft a guy in the second round and you don't have a starter at that position, he's going to start eventually.

You might as well, you might as well put him in right away. That's how I feel. But to the larger question of like, what are his weaknesses and how is he going to look? This goes hand in hand with the cornerback too.

problem in my mind because if you have you know we talked about how the secondary is maybe a weakling system right but if you have a corner that you're worried about you can help them out like there are ways there are ways to compensate for that a little bit but it becomes much harder if you have two spots that you have to worry about and cover for right and so if if Makuba is gonna have to have you know his proverbial handheld defensively then that means you're not going to give as much help to whoever it is on the outside of corner. So, you know, his development is going to be a very important part of the story of the defense this

season. Yeah, especially because they don't have that like a Dory Jackson, like at least, you know, the floor is not so super low, but the ceiling might not be that high. They don't have like that veteran, I mean, maybe like Tristan McCollum. I mean, he doesn't really fit the bill, but maybe like you don't have somebody that you can fall back on, you know, and that is what's interesting about the Eagles doubling down on that Sydney Brown aggressive type safety. where Andrew McCuba is not exactly that,

but he does have that play personality also. And it's interesting because, like, you don't have Sidney Brown as like, okay, we can stick him in there and we know that it's not going to be, it's not going to be catastrophic. They don't have that like they might at corner with Adory Jackson. So, yeah, I do. I think that it's the onus is now on Andrew McCuba to kind of build off of that and not just have the splash plays and not just maybe make strides

in that coverage area against physicality, but really just the consistency aspect of it. That is going to be, you know, that's what the coaches always talk about. I think that is probably the next step. And again, we're not really going to get a chance to see it too much because his ascension has kind of happened so late in training camp, but I think that is going to be important come week one. And listen, you're talking about a rookie.

We can all accept that this is going, it's going to, there are going to be some growing pains here. It's going to hopefully look better by December than he does in September, but you're going to have to take your, your lumps along the way. It's harder to do that, you know, when you're watching the game. you're yelling at the TV and on a week by week basis. But I also believe like McCuba, I will believe more in the season long evolution than I might with the other cornerback. Now, maybe that's unfair. Maybe Jacorgan Bennett is the guy and he gets better as

the season goes on because he's getting more time in the defense. But in my mind, that's not how I'm thinking about it. Yeah, no, I think that that's fair. Do you want my other, let's give your other takeaway. Yeah. So my other takeaway is that the Dorian Thompson-Robinson, Dream, is dead. I'm sorry for you. I'll give you the pat on the back. See, no, this is unfair. No, listen, this is, it's not unfair.

You're coming in here, pounding your chest, saying you're the king of the beats with one win under your belt. Meanwhile, you're putting in the long snapper in your 53, and he gets cut the same day. Actually, hours before you said you were going to have him. And then you say Dorian Thompson was going to be the third quarterback,

and all of a sudden, you're backing off. Everybody. Come on. This happened with you. you. The emperor has no clothes. This happened with you and then this happened with Anthony where all of a sudden I'm like, wait a minute, I'm the Dorian Thompson, like, defender here. Like, I like, that's like, you know, I'm not here to tell you guys that I'm certain of this

around that I'm pounding the table for DTR. All I said was that he was outperforming Kyle McCord for weeks during training camp. And if you, if you were looking at it and saying who is better equipped to be the third quarterback this season, I thought it was Dorian Thompson Robinson by a wide enough margin that I thought it made sense for him to be on the 50. That has since changed, obviously. But again, this isn't, you could give me more, like, you could give me more, I would be more upset if you came after me about the Keely Ringo summer that I had. Because I was bullish on Keely Ringo.

And I still feel like, I don't necessarily feel like I got it wrong. But if you came to me and said, DJ, you pounded the table for Keely Ringo all summer and he's not had a good summer. Like, you know what, that's a fair observation. DTR, like, just a few offhand comments about the fact that he performed better than Kyle. He spent all last week talking about how he should be a starter. A starter. A little, maybe a little hyperbolic there. What I would say is that he needed to consistently outperform

Kyle McCourt throughout the summer. The game was not a good sign for that. He had not outperformed him at all in the game. And in general, I feel like he sort of slowed down the last few practices. And he can't afford to do that because of what we talked about, the team building side of things, the fact that Kyle McCord's on a rookie contract, I feel as if the DTR dream, I mean, it's pretty much over at this point. That's okay.

You will live to fight another day. All right, that'll do it for the Ford Drive of the game, once again, brought to you by your local Ford store. Okay, before we get into the rest of today's practice and the very interesting thing we saw from Cooper to Gene as the cornerback two competition continues, what were your thoughts on the John Metchy trade? Yeah, I feel.

like it felt my first instinct was like this is so like complicated and confusing almost and I still kind of feel like there's something that we're missing with this but I also think it could be as simple as they think that he is a better fourth receiver option than Johnny Wilson and Ia Smith and Darius Cooper or really more realistically a best better fifth receiver option when you're looking at Darius Cooper and Ia Smith and him now I also feel like this might I like we had a discussion during practice today about like would you feel better if you were an ayah smith or darius cooper after the trade and i don't even think that's a question so there was a debate about this some people said they would feel better as an i smith because of his draft pedigree those people are wrong yeah i feel like

darius cooper has played well enough this summer that he is like the reed blankenship example where it's like he played well enough in the summer to make the team like that's where i that's where i come down on this so to me i think this is a reflection of an i smith like if there i think it's a the competition for that sixth receiver spot comes down to Mechie and Anaya Smith. And I will be curious to see what they do. Could they sneak seven onto the 53? I don't think they would do seven. Could they though?

We talked about it when we looked at our 53s. It's not like a stacked group. It's not like it's impossible for them to borrow from other positions. Could they borrow, especially the way the offensive line looked against the Browns? That was the other thing I was going to mention. Yeah. Guys like Kendall Lamb and Matt Pryor, Brett Tooth, even. They're probably not going anywhere if they don't make the initial 53.

I don't know that Anias Smith and or Johnny Wilson is getting claimed. Yeah, I don't think Anias would. And I don't honestly, I, but that's the thing is, do you think Darius Cooper would get claimed? Yeah. Darius Cooper is not, Darius Cooper is safer on the team than Johnny Wilson is. I, than Johnny, that's, that's bold. I don't think that's bold. I think you should be on the 53.

I think, I don't think everyone sees. I mean, you was watch practice today. Yeah. He was all over the place again today. We're going to get to that. Yeah, you look good today. Yeah, of course he did. To me, he's good.

To me, he has played well enough to make the 53. I think you, there, I, I can understand an argument that the name, like, can you get this? Is that he's the undrafted rookie from Charlton State. And by the way, you should read about it on all p.hly.com. You can become a dying hard for $36 a year. Great job on the story by E.J. Talk to his head coach.

Interesting that he is not necessarily the prototype that you might expect as, like, a guy from a small school at that position. But he is, he is significantly better than those guys. He's safer on the team than John Metchie is. Yeah, I agree with that too. It's not like the compensation for Metschi was such that you need to keep him on the roster. Like, especially the way you'd think about it is like, well, Harrison Bryant wasn't going to make the team. It was a pick swap for the chance to get him in the building for a week to evaluate him.

Yeah. I think the fact that they traded for him probably means he's on. I think more likely, yeah. Yeah. But I'm totally. Gary's Cooper has had the best summer of any Eagle in training camp. And I don't mean that he's been the best player. But I mean in terms of, yeah, where their standing was on the first day of practice versus where it is now, he is number one.

Yeah, he went from an FCS undrafted receiver to a player that belongs on a 53-man roster. He's a lot. An actual NFL player. Yeah. Yeah. So the METCHI thing, I would be a little bit more worried if I was Johnny Wilson. Hmm. Because the theory of what John Metchy brings to the table is the dirty work stuff, right?

Especially at this stage. of his career, he's sort of like, you know, Zach Pascall from 2022 is how he would be used. And if that's what you're keeping around, then if they don't believe in Johnny Wilson long term as a receiver, then Metschie takes his spot. Yeah, I feel like in general. I think I probably lean towards six.

Yeah, I think you could, and I think you can make an argument you need, you could use two of those dirty work guys, considering how top heavy the room is. And then that falls back on a nice Smith. I think it, I think the wide receiver like that conversation for the 53, which five, six or seven potentially, wide receivers you have on the 53.

I think that's the biggest one where I've got almost. Not to say I don't have any idea what they're going to do, but like that one's, whatever they do is probably, I don't know what they're going to do on the offensive line either. Yeah, I think that you take some of those veterans and you bring them back after cut down day, practice squad for a few of them. Because again, like, is somebody like Brett Tooth doesn't want to go anywhere else. Like he would want to stay in that way.

So can you, I mean, not even can you, would you save a roster spot and bring him back on the practice squad after the initial cut down day? I think they have a couple of those guys. But if Lennon Tegerson's not going to be ready for week one, would you risk that with the guy who would have to start in his place? Or is it not Brett Toast? It's kind of like one of those like wink wink handshake deals. It's not like you're, it's not like you're really risking much with some of those veterans that are not going to want to go elsewhere. One of my other takeaways by watching that offensive line against the Browns is that I think my, like I know you had my, Miles Hinton on.

In a bad game. Well, I still have him on. I still do. Because I feel like at this point, you are not like, oh, we can't let such and such out the building. You have a lot of guys that you probably aren't worried about exposing them to waivers as much. But I think Hinton is somebody that is a beneficiary of like the Kendall Lambs and the Matt Pryors and the Brett Toh's maybe being more vulnerable to not being on the initial 53 as

they were before. I think it's more, yeah, there are going to be three spots at the end of the roster where it's like, who do we want to develop? Yeah. Protect from waivers. Right. And I think Hinton is probably one of those. Yeah.

So today, Lane Johnson didn't really practice. So that meant Matt Pryor was the first team right tackle. Yeah. I just, I like Matt Pryor. He's had a very good career. Very nice guy to talk to. I think he's a solid guard. Yeah.

I struggle with him at tackle. And he struggled in the game at tackle, I thought. Yeah, he gave up pressure to Nolan Smith on a play today. So he's definitely, he definitely has a shaky moments. they really that lack of offensive line depth it's something that I don't think I had circled as a major concern going into the training camp but it is something that is I have my eye on

they cannot afford multiple injuries across the offensive line like they usually could and then there was another very interesting thing today which was that after Brett Tooth having taken every rep with the ones at left guard after Lennon Dickerson got hurt Dary and Kinnard rotated in there today for a few series yep yeah he had two or three series where he was in

with the starting offensive line at left guard, didn't notice him in a good way or a bad way for those series. But yeah, and the other thing that was interesting is that he did not take second team snaps at left guard. He was at right guard with the second team. Trevor Keegan was at left guard with the two's.

And Kendall Lam was taking right tackle reps with the twos. First time really all summer we've seen him on the right side. Yeah, I mean, I think if you, if I had to pick one of those guys to be the swing tackle, he is the choice. It just, you don't feel great about it. Yeah. Yeah, they don't have a great option there.

They don't. Yeah. Okay. Let's take a break. We'll come back. We'll talk about the possibility of Cooper DeGine on the outside as presaged by Vic Fangio next on the P.HLY Eagles podcast. Oh, how about that Ford F series, the legendary Ford F series, the best selling trucks in America for 48 straight years. The F-150 blends, work-ready toughness, and modern day tech and luxury.

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How would you stork rank trading for these positions, E.J., cornerback, safety, and edge? and do you think they could go after Trey Hendrickson? It's a good question. I mean, it depends on, if you're getting like a rock solid starter at each position, assuming that's what you're trading for, I probably would go corner first, edge second,

and then I would probably drop down a tier and put safety there. I feel like the edge you need is like a sneaky need. Like if you told me that they could get a difference maker on the edge and slot Jalix Hunt into like that third rotational spot, I would be really enticed by that. I think like, you know, we're going to spend a lot of the summer talking about the cornerback competition

and that second spot and how it could be a liability. I could see us going into December talking about, do the Eagles have enough edge depth? Because when you're looking at the biggest games on the calendar, when you're looking at the playoffs, you're looking at playing elite quarterbacks, having a four-man rush that wins is the,

it answers all the questions. You know, it is the most important thing against those types of quarterbacks. You're going to have to go through those quarterbacks at some point. So I do think that that address group is like a sneaky question mark going into the regular season,

which is why I put it in that tier with corner. But yeah, I still think you, if you told me that they could get a starter at corner, I would say that they should make that move. Yeah, I think, well, listen, as much as Vic likes to lean on his guys a little bit more than, you know, Howie Roseman is used to along the,

the defensive line. Mathematically, you still need at least three guys to play a lot of snaps. Yeah. Because they're going to have to take some snaps off. And I think Josh Ushey has had a really nice summer. I don't know if he's an every down player. I think he's probably a third down specialist.

Yeah, I'd much rather have him be your fourth edge rusher. And I think that third guy, they were hoping was going to be Aziz Ojalari. And he has come on of late. I believe Vic said that he's coming. So congratulations. I don't know if they feel good about, if he can really handle all of that load. And so, yeah, if there is a guy, and if there's a guy, I know, I heard it too.

If there's a guy like quite the Hendricks level, but a starting caliber guy that does sort of push Jalick's hunt down or he becomes their sort of even, that would be great. Yeah. And I would be surprised if Howie Roseman doesn't make a trade before the start of the season. They've got all this draft equity and capital for next year's draft and the year after. it's what he does. He, you know, he's even, you know, kind of previewed that when talking. And I'd like, you know, we've got these picks to use.

I would be surprised if they don't do that. And I think I would be more likely to think that it would be an edge than those other ones because I think they've kind of made their cornerback trade with Jacorian Bennett. Yeah. I don't think they would make a trade like that for another, this guy could be the answer guy. I think if they were going to make a trade for a corner, it would be, you know, a really good player who's going to come here and be the answer. Yeah, and then the question becomes, can you afford that long term? You know, if you're going to trade for, I mean, I don't have a name off the top of my head here,

but if you're going to trade for a starter quality corner, like you have Quinnian Mitchell, Quinion Mitchell and Cooper DeGine coming up. You have like, I think at some point you're going to wonder about the investment in the secondary. It's more conventional for the Eagles to want to pay upfront. Right. They kind of don't have, obviously, the Jalen Carter deal and the Nolan Smith deal are also looming. So it's not like they don't have, you know, big money upcoming to invest in that position group, but it is one that they've been more comfortable investing in heavily. And one that honestly, like, if you look at their edge group, like, I do feel like it would make sense to add like a superstar into that room, like more so than a corner. You know,

you wouldn't want to bring in somebody, not to say again that they'd bring in somebody that would be, that would start or block Quinnion Mitchell from being the number one corner. But if you, I mean, if there was like, you know, Trey Hendrickson or even. even the Miles Garrett talked from before, if you could get that guy that is kind of like the anchor for the rest of the room, I think that there's space for that more so in the edge group than in the secondary.

Yeah, I think you would not want to trade for a young superstar at Corner. Yeah, exactly. I mean, not that you would be against that, but for the reasons you're saying, I think you would, you know, if there was a, you know, Darius Slay three years ago

on the final year of his deal type player. Yeah. Something like that. But like then the trade and the extension was kind of part of the equation. Sure. I don't, I don't mean that specific trade. I mean that level of player who was willing to play on the final year of his deal. I think that would make more sense for them. But yeah. We just, we're basically describing like an Isaiah Rogers level player. I just, I hate to belabor it. But it is man, they may. And then I don't think I mean, because they invested a second round pick and Drew McCuba, I don't think they're going to trade for a, you know, star level safety. And I don't think it's as pressing a need as the other two. I think that they should be able to get by with one of the two of Andrew McCuba and Sydney Brown. Like, yeah, maybe Andrew McCuba starting in week 15.

or in the playoffs and he gives up a big catch to a tight end. But I think that like it's not a major concern the way that the other two could develop into. The other super chat we have from Schoolboy says DTR and Kyle McCord can go through waivers to keep Cooper. Unrelated, I think. Darius Cooper is on the team. And I think Kyle McCourt's probably going to be in the team too,

but I'm not 100% convinced of that. Yeah, I think the third quarterback makes sense. I think he is not competing with DTR anymore. I think he is competing with fourth quarter. quarterbacks around the league. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, and again, it hasn't looked great for him all summer,

but I really, your team building point from last week is one that I definitely am not overlooking. It's like having him on his rookie contract would be valuable if they think he will develop into something. Okay, back to the secondary because the most interesting thing from practice today probably was when it started, when Vic Fanjo spoke before practice and was asked about, you know, how come we haven't seen Cooper on the outside? all summer after we saw him in the spring. And he's like, well, watch practice today. Yeah. And this is interesting because, you know, this is a time they had the game on Saturday.

They all watched the film. They had yesterday off. They're now setting, like the sites are now set on week one. The starters are not going to play in this preseason game. That's what the focus is for the coaching staff. And so the little tweaks to the depth chart today matter. And what did we see when they were in base today? We saw Cooper de Gene at outside corner opposite Quinnian Mitchell with Andrew

McCuba. and read Blankenship as the two safeties. What did you think? I, well, first off, the snaps that he spent an outside corner, it almost felt like Kevin Petula was trolling Vic Fangio a little bit. It was a lot of runs away from Cooper to Gene. So there was not much action for him at Outside Corner today. If you're asking me what I think of it in general,

I still, in base, you could convince me. And I think that the fact that he was at Outside Corner is as much a vote of no confidence for the outside cornerback competition. as it is the fact that they probably feel much better about Andrew McCuba or Sidney Brown at safety by comparison when they look at the outside corners. So I think you can look at it either. Well, if you just, I mean, if you, and I think we would have said this entering camp, but if you just think about it from a resource allocation standpoint, what they spent on these

positions. Yeah. If you've got four spots, it's probably more likely, you know, Dijin's going to be one of them, Quignan, Mitchell's going to be one of them. Quina-Mitchell is going to be one of them. Yeah. It probably makes more sense that you would have your son. second round pick, be the fourth guy instead of the guy who was a fourth round pick or the guy

who you traded a late round pick or you know, Thomas Booker for or the guy who you signed for $2 million. Like, yeah, that is more likely. Yeah, that's true from a resource allocation. Yeah, I agree. But when you, when we're talking about the scenario where Cooper de Gene is just the outside starting corner, even when they are a nickel, Vic Van Geo, yeah, Vic Fangio definitely poured cold water on that.

Yes. Um, he said not at this time when he, when asked about the possibility of Cooper playing. on the outside with, I think it was Sydney, Sidney Brown at Nickel was the way that it was framed. And he said not at this time. Oh, interesting. But he also said later, like, what would it take for him to consider playing Cooper to Gene outside in nickel, in sub-packages?

And he said, someone to develop at the nickel position and someone not to develop at the corner position. Well, they got one of them. Yeah, right. And then he said, you know, we also, we haven't really seen him play outside since. NC2A. NC2A. Now I'm an NCAA guy.

Yeah, me too. But that also is like the same amount of syllables. So Invict's defense. Two A is shorter. Yeah, true. You're right. It's fewer syllables, but it takes the same amount of time to say.

I think, I feel like NC2A does flow quicker than NCAA. You're gonna go AA. There's a bit of a reverb there. This is making me think of like NAACP. Okay. I think, but that's double A. I think double A is,

is the right way to say. Would you ever just say N-A-A-A-C-P? Yeah, right. Or N-2-A-C-P? No, it doesn't work. N-2-A-C-P. Yeah, I agree with that. Yeah, I think it's got to be double A.

NCAA. M-C-O. I think, yeah, I wonder if that's an old-school football guy thing. It's got to be old football. NC2A? Yeah, NC2A. This is back before the NCAA video games. Yeah, definitely.

Feels like an old-school thing. Okay. I also made a note of that. Yeah, definitely parked my ears up. All the things, Vic Van Gogh. Yeah, that was the most important thing, I thought. But now, and if you look at their options at Nickel, like, especially with Mack McWilliams,

who Vic Fangio said, is part of this competition. That was a good question by you. But then he also said he hasn't looked good since coming back from the injury. He looks like he's still injured. That was tough, yeah. He said, like, it was funny that he was asked about how Mac McWilliams has looked,

And he went, ah, it's never a good sign. And then basically he was like, well, he missed time with his injury and we're hoping that he can start to show himself.

Like he missed, I don't remember how much time. Let's call it a leak. Yeah. I've almost, you could feel like the, like, because MacGolames has to be drinking.

You can tell from that that Vic liked him in the draft. Yeah. And I think he probably liked him at the beginning at camp. And the injury has been a setback for him. But again, he did mention that he's part of the competition.

He said, I enjoyed the way that he described, like the way that each player has gone. Because he was asked basically, like, is it not ideal that you haven't had someone separate themselves in this cornerback competition? And he said, like, yeah, like, he kind of acknowledged it wasn't ideal. And then he said, like, each guy.

It's pretty clear. Yeah, he said, each guy has been doing well to, what was it to the best? I think I haven't written down here. Hold on. I have to find it here. Yeah, he said they've all done a good job in and, of their own way.

Which is laughing. It's quite a qualifier for doing a good job. I think if you guys told me I was doing a good job in and of my own way, I don't know if that would be the best indicator of how my podcasting has gone so far. I can read that as like they're doing as good as they can do. They're just, I don't think we did a good enough job filling out the roster. Yeah, I think my read on that is they are doing the best that they can, but that is not good enough quite yet.

Okay. Now who was the cornerback to in Nickel today? It was Adori Jackson. Most of us. Very notably, Adori Jackson spent almost, got almost all of the first team snaps. Mac Mac Mac Williams, I did. I think he worked in a little bit. This is the thing I wanted to tell you at practice, and I had to save it for the show.

I'm excited for this. Higley Ringo was on the field with the first team defense for about four seconds at the very beginning of the first team period. Okay. Because he made a mistake and had to run off the field. It was like, like, it's like a nightmare scenario. They did split field work. Yeah, and he's running out with the start.

I'm going to take my spot with the starting defense and Adori's like, it's my day to day. Oh, and you had to run across the field. You had to run across the field and onto the sideline where he watched all of the team sessions. That's kind of sad.

It's rough. Yeah, tough look for Keeley. Hasn't been a very good summer for him. It has not been a good summer for Kiley Ringo. That's too bad. Okay, so we also spoke to Jacorian Bennett after practice today. Water gun to your belly button.

Who is it week one? Ben and or Dory Jackson or Keelearingo. It's funny. Or MacMughiams. Because we said this, we said this during practice. Like, I think there's like a 50% chance that Adory Jackson starts week one and a 50% chance he gets cut next week. Like, I don't know if there's any in between. And I personally don't think it makes the most sense to start him.

If you think he gives you the best chance to win, I guess. But like, I don't know. I think at this point, like, none of your choices are ideal. think about a long-term play more than just like a short-term band-aid. So to me, I'd lean ever so slightly Jacori and Bennett for week one. Me too. I think I lean Mac McWilliams by like week 10. Excuse me.

Bless you. I don't know how you hold sneezes in. That's impressive. Sometimes it's risky. At this age, you can tweak the back. Oh, that's not what I thought you were going to say. Oh, no, it's the back. Every now and then if I do it and I get a twinge in the back,

And listen, we got softball playoffs tonight. I can't be hurt my back. I got to let that bad boy out. You just got to sneeze. I've never tried to hold in a sneeze. I don't think of it. Never in your life. No.

I don't have like my dad will like triple sneeze or like quadruple sneeze. I don't, I've never had that problem before. So I, you know, just let it, let it fly. I don't want to hear me sneeze on the show. Yeah,

well, I'm sure the listeners appreciated it. I wouldn't have minded for the record. But no, I would probably lean Jacorian Bennett. I think Mac McWilliams is like a week. week 10 or week seven swap I could see it happening you know obviously he had the injury that Vic Fangio seems really disappointed that he hasn't really been able to fully get back

from yet but I do I think that it long term I think that he is an intriguing play in the secondary I think he could find a role I think it just might not be by week one yeah I think it's still more likely to be at nickel but with Cooper to Jean outside maybe or at safety if there's an injury I don't I yeah safety I could see more I just, I don't think it's the best use of Cooper to Gene's skill set to play them outside. I think that's probably true. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Next up, I want to ask you about the chicanery you saw with Jailen Carter. What went on there today? Oh, yes. Okay. So this was a three play sequence. I'm sorry to report. Okay.

That's good. It started with, and I'll be honest with you, I won't have very many details on these plays other than what Jalen Carter was up to. Because once, yeah, Once you see this start to happen, you're not watching anything else. Yes, exactly. So it started with Cam Juergens, like throwing a falling Jalen Carter, like through the pocket, basically. I don't think it was especially violent or, you know, dirty.

I think he was falling and Cam Jorgans kind of gave him the push to get him on the ground. And Jalen Carter did not appreciate that and had words with Cam Juergens afterward. And Morrow Jomo got between them, separated them. And it kind of spilled over into the next play. They're still kind of going back and forth. and Jalen Carter unleashed I mean I've seen this man unleashed some pretty nasty club moves in my life

like you know we've seen them in games I mean this was literally in the earhole of Cam Juergens like as hard as you like illegal you know I feel like Jalen Carter has mastered the art of not getting called for those club moves where he hits the mess out of somebody's helmet like literally like palm on the earhole

of your helmet maybe it would have been illegal I mean illegal hands to the face It was nasty. Okay. And I feel like Jalen Carter goes through. I feel like we haven't seen a lot of that from that. He goes through practice, in my opinion, at like 80% speed.

Like good enough to show you that like, okay, like he's going to be fine. But like he hasn't been a practice record. And I think it maybe is like courtesy more than anything else for the sanctity of practice. Because he, we know what he can do in a practice if he wanted to. And that's kind of what he's. I like to see him do it a little bit more. Yeah, especially in the one-on-one drills. I kind of want to see him under something.

But yeah, he, I mean, he hit the mess out of Cam Jergens. Like, I thought that was good. That was the first moment. We have these moments. Like in this sequence, I'm watching it with Dave Zangaro. And we're but like, oh, fight. Fight's definitely about to happen. Like Cam Jorgans isn't going to appreciate that.

Jorgans did not react. And then before the third play, Jaylen Carter kicks the ball before they, but while the offense is setting up before Cam Jurgens grabs, Jalen Carter kicks the ball off to the side and they have to retrieve the ball to run the play. And this is the second time where I'm like, Okay, these guys are gonna play. And funnily enough, like that play, there were no fireworks at all.

Like, it seemed like they both kind of just didn't want to push hit. Maybe this is like a Nick Siriani, like don't be the one to start the fight. And then the fourth play, so, you know, it was a four play sequence. It was a four place. Yes. The fourth play, Jalen Carter was talking to somebody behind him as the ball was snap. So he's in his three point stance turned around. So he got off the ball really late.

But it was a long developing play. Again, I was only watching. Jalen Carter. So I cannot tell you. It must have been like a screen or something, something long developing. And Jalen Hertz is in the pocket. And Carter still kind of like works around the offensive line to get in the backfield. And he gets leveled by Brett Toeuf, just completely depleted, knocked out.

And I, that was the third time. I'm like, this is going to end in a fight. But for some reason, my guess is that Brett Tooth was apologetic. My guess is that before. Oh, my God. Oh, my gosh. My guess is that before Jalen Carter even hit the ground, Brett Tooth was already like, I didn't mean to do that.

Like I wasn't trying to start anything My car Yeah Because I mean I think they they talked Yeah But it was fine It was completely diffused And then I don't know

What Nick Siriani said I have no idea Like it's not even like Sometimes we hear stuff And we don't say it But I literally could not make out what he said But he did kind of walk Through the offensive and defensive

Line between the next play And then everything kind of diffused from there So I don't know if he said anything to them It could have been unrelated There kind of was a lull in practice right after that But yeah, you know, as someone who was on record as loving a training camp fight, a little bit disappointed.

Yeah. You know, it didn't spill over into, you know, just maybe a little bit of gripping each other up or something. That's too bad. Yeah. All right. Let's take another break. And then on the other side, I will tell you what I thought was my favorite thing to see from an Eagles fan's perspective at today's practice.

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on a different side? Yeah, so I think there was some confusion on Vicks part. You know, you mentioned that Lane is like the most reliable narrator for someone's health. Right. I think he meant that JLix was dealing with a minor shoulder injury. So they switched him, I think it was from the left side to the right side, so that he didn't have to use his inside shoulder to strike on his past rush route moves. Again, he wasn't on the injury report.

It's not something that is like, you know, holding him out of practice. But it was something where I guess Jaylick said, I dinged my shoulder and they said, all right, we'll move it to the other side. Okay. Okay. To me, the best part of practice today for the Eagles was getting to watch Zach Bonn on the field in team drills. I was excited to talk to you about this. There's so much like, okay, he was so good last year.

He can't be as good as he was, right? You know, maybe there will be some regression. But you saw him on the field today, and he's so good. And, like, he's just, he's carrying guys down the field, step for step. He's running the route for him. He knows what's coming. It was just a pleasure to get to watch him be on the field again. He's so good.

Yeah, his range really stands out. You know, we have watched, we've watched good linebacker play this summer, you know, with Jehad Campbell, Jeremiah Trader Jr., even Smile Mondin. We watched promising lineback. Well, no, I'd say we watch. I mean, relatively, it's been good liebacker play. But Zach Bond, like, what stands out is how many different places on the field you see him doing his job well.

It definitely stands out. We finally got to see Jahad Campbell and Zach Bonn in the same defense. And I do think, like, it lived up to the expectations. Both of them made plays, especially in the past game, Jahad Campbell had a few PbUs. It's tough. You know, we've talked to before about Jeremiah Trader Jr. has not given up this job. He is, you know, he is still getting first team reps

and deservedly so. He has looked good. He also played next to, right on today. Yes, but he gave up a catch to Dallas got it over the middle of field today that is very illustrative of like, why I don't think he will be a week one starter.

He just doesn't have the physical attribute. So he doesn't have the length. And those two guys, Zach Bonn and Jahad Campbell, they both have length and, you know, range to get to a lot of different things and really do more than what their assignment is in the in pass coverage.

So I do. I think that the ceiling is incredibly high for those guys. And I'm glad we finally got to see them operating together because I think that is

going to be the week one pairing. Well, yeah, you think about it. I mean, obviously they drafted the guy in the first round. He's going to get on the field

eventually. They might as well get him on sooner. But you just think about like the types of players that Campbell and Trotter are, you know, there's the length,

there's the speed. Yeah. And so Jeremiah Trotter Jr. has to be right every time in order to be, in the right place. John Campbell can be a step slow and still make up for it

because he's so fast or because his arms are long enough to get into passing lanes, right? And so, I mean, it certainly does seem to me like week one, let's see it. And we talked about how they've now pointed like they're steering the boat towards week one. And there was, you know,

there were a couple of sequences today when we saw Campbell and Bonn at linebacker, Blankenship and McCuba at safety. and then it was Dorea Jackson and, you know, Queenie Mitchell and Cooper to Jean, we were thinking, okay, maybe this is the week one lineup. Maybe it's Decorian Bennett on the outside. Yeah. But I think, I think, you know, eventually that's going to be the spine of the defense.

Let's just get there. Yep. Yeah. And I am also, I'm also excited to see, well, two things. The Jahad Campbell experience now that with Zach Bond back, I feel like his, his plate is going to get. Like, I think he'll have a lighter responsibility each. practice. I think, you know, Vic Fangio talked about how they probably thrown too much at him. Zach Bonn being back, I think will simplify his role and also give him somebody who's going to be there

with the training wheels right next to him, saying, you know, this is what you could do here. This is what you could get to here. I think that this could be a really good step for Jihad Campbell's development. And the other part of it, you know, we talked earlier in the show about how Andrew McCuba has some limitations against tight ends and against, you know, in coverage against bigger players. That's a good point. There is maybe a world where Zach Bonn and Jihad Campbell. can be the ones to insulate him from those responsibilities. You don't really want your linebackers like covering tight ends, but they are both such good linebackers that,

I mean, and again, realistically like the Eagles run a lot of his own coverage. So there will be times where those guys can help out in those areas. I think that's a good point. Okay. What else from practice today was interesting to you? You wanted to get to Darius Cooper.

Yeah, so Darius Cooper had two plays toward the end of practice that were, I would say really encouraging. But first I wanted to mention, I think this pass was to Darius Cooper. Sorry, I'm going through my notes here. Yes. So Jalen Hertz had a pass to Darius Cooper today.

Did you see that pass? I did see that pass. From the other field I saw that pass. It was a nice throw. It was a layered throw over Quinyon Mitchell who was in the flat. So in his in zone coverage must have been what covered two

or something like that with Quinyon underneath. He threw it over Quineon's head into Darius Cooper's hands like probably 15 yards downfield. It was a really nice ball. And I do think the fact that like Darius Cooper still getting roughs with the ones like come on what are we talking about here He had two plays later in practice Sorry, I'm just trying to find it here

I thought typing my notes would be better than going through like my You know weathered notebook here There were two plays I can't remember the first one Your sticky notebook Yes my notebook with the pages stuck together Two plays toward the end of practice The second one is the one that stood out because he just cooked Keeley ringo on a comeback route Yeah

Like I mean just tons of of separation. So I, you know, we've seen Darius Cooper make the contested catches and the run after catch opportunities, but his route running is actually pretty solid too. You know, I know that Keeley's not had a great summer, but yeah, he had a nice play, a nice play there for sure. So it's all coming together for him. Okay, what else? Devonte Smith had a red zone touchdown, um, toward the end of practice. And then I did have one other thing I wanted to mention here. Um, sorry, I'm just going through here. Not at all. Oh, Jehad Campbell, or sorry, Jehan Dotson.

John Dotson had a few catches today. He's becoming like a reliable underneath, like, I guess Fran would probably call it late progression guy. Like there are times where I feel like he is kind of the safety valve and he's doing a nice job with that. And I've mentioned before, I feel like him and Jalen Hertz have developed a noticeable chemistry this summer. There have been instances where, you know, there have been routes where the ball has to come

out before he gets out of his break. And we've seen them connect on those this summer. So yeah, I think he should be a more reliable passing option this year. I think if you can tell me for certain that AJ Brown is going to be fully healthy week one, I think long term the health of the passing game is probably served by the time that he and Devante have missed this summer. Yeah. So that Jalen gets the reps with those other guys. Yeah.

Have you noticed that Jahan Dotson is kind of like copying Devante Smith's aesthetic at practice? I have not noticed that. They both have the rolled up jerseys and the white. Well, they have the undershirts, the long-sleeve shirt. How do you feel about the rolled-up jerseys? I hate them. I hate it because you can't see the number. Now, listen, I know who Devante is.

Nobody looks like Devante. Well, I mean. But should I say it? I guess I got to say it, you know? Elijah Cook's had a rolled-up jersey the day that I know. I got cooked on this show for not being able to recognize this number. You know, I'm just saying. Oh, yeah, that's right.

That's a lot of jerse. That's all I'm saying. I don't like that. It's a little sloppy. Okay? Well, I don't know about it. A concussion on. take is put your jersey on.

Okay? I don't practice like you play. You're going to get called for a penalty if your jersey's like that in a game. I think the kids would argue it's not sloppy. You're kind of swagging it out, as the kids would say. Yeah, it's drippy. It's real drippy. But no, I think the rolled up jersey, with the Eagles numbers especially, it's just too

hard to tell who you are. Yeah. So anyway, Jahan Dotson is like, I mean, no offense, John Dotson. Obviously, it looks cooler than I look out there, but he looks like a less cool version of Devante Smith out there. Like, Devante's got the neon cleats and Devonte's real skinny. He's got the long arms and Jahan Dotson is kind of like copying his. Do you track? It's not like actually write it down, but like does it, does it like register with you? Like what color cleats guys are wearing? Just AJ and Devante because they wear such like fluorescent. Sure, like those ones,

but like white or black. Like there was there was a conversation behind me with, I think it was like kids. and they were talking about what color cleats the guys are wearing. And like that doesn't even cross my mind. White or black cleats won't register. I will notice the like I like the Air Jordan ones, the white and black Air Jordan ones. And obviously

like because it's always a story like Jaylen's cleats, which Jordan's he's wearing, I will notice those. But now if you like AJ mentioning, I don't remember where it was, but like a week or two ago that he doesn't like that Georgia wears black socks and black cleats. Like I don't I never thought about that before AJ mentioned it.

So AJ Brown's still out with a hamstring injury by the way. Are you worried? You know, it is interesting that he came back to practice for a few days. And then they actually pulled him out again. So I think I wouldn't say worried, but I feel like when he wasn't out there for the joint practices, I felt like it was just like, okay, we're only going to like the Eagles are really only going to run team on those days. It doesn't really make sense to have him out if he's not going to. going to be in team. The fact that he wasn't out there today probably speaks to they are trying to

manage whatever he has and give him as much time as possible to get to 100%. We're still a few weeks out. And I feel like the fact that he is out there watching practice probably suggests that it's not like a major thing or a serious thing. Yeah, not ideal. Hamstrings are tricky. That's always what you hear. We have a super chat about Johan Dotson says, would you trade? Would you make Dotson available for Denzel Ward in a second. I mean, it'd be Dotson and draft compensation. Right. Presumably.

And I would make him available for that, absolutely. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I mean, or would you just give away the draft picks? I'd be, I would, I mean, if it would make a material difference in the draft picks, I think that would be fine. Yeah, I would do it. You have Darius Cooper.

Yeah, but I knew you were going to, I was about to say, are you made, it's just like a Darius Cooper take just as much as a John Dotson take? Yeah. I mean, listen. I'm in mostly agreement with you. I mean, the Eagles' offense needs, or the Eagles need a second corner more than they need a third receiver. No doubt.

So, and I don't know if Darius Cooper is going to, like, have actual production next season or this upcoming season, but I also think that Johnny Wilson can probably. More career receiving yards from now through the rest of time, Darius Cooper or Jahan Dotson? Jahan Dotson. If you had said a Nia Smith, that's too easy. Darius Cooper or John Mechie?

Darius Cooper. Darius Cooper or Johnny Wilson. See, Johnny Wilson's going to have a role in the NFL for a long time. I might have to go Johnny Wilson. He's going to play football for a long time. I think Darius Cooper could have an NFL career, but I'm fairly confident that Johnny Wilson will have an NFL career. So I'll go Johnny Wilson.

Okay, Darius Cooper or Anaya Smith. Darius Cooper. Okay. I would take him over Johnny Wilson for sure. Really? For sure. For sure. Okay. Interesting. I think now you're doing like the Jimmy Kemsky Smile Mondin thing now.

You're just going to be the most bullish. No, I'm not. He's really good. He's a good player. Just remember, Jimmy Kemsky. I think I might take him over Dodson. Jimmy, he took the L on the Smile Mondand thing. Yeah, that's not, I'm not doing it for Smile Mountain.

This is all setting up for them to cut him and get him on the practice squad. No. But like no outrage. chance. Well, no chance. There is no chance. I don't think they'll cut him, but if they do, I am excited to come to work that day. I'll just be sitting back with like my water, just letting Bo go off.

Yeah. It's not going to happen. I'll just drink some popcorn for that day. It's not going to happen. And setting aside the fact that he's, he's on the team, he's going to be, and he's a good player, there is the thing of like, you know, everybody on the team has been. been at practice too. You cannot look them in the face and say that this guy's not on the team.

That is the argument for it. The argument against it is that like we do overweight how much the preseason games and the training camp practices look. Like every other teams aren't going to be like, man, they cut Darius. I'm telling you it's different. I agree with you. I just, I do understand that the argument against it is like they could probably get them on the practice squad.

They could not. They would not. we'll see I mean listen I hope they do just so I can prove that he gets claimed but I hope if he gets claimed then I really am just

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all right we have one more thing to get to I have this whole list of topics we've checked everything off except for Cliffy 2 I have here which we will find out about in Bovertime all right AJ you said you had something to say here

I mean we love Cliff he's welcome here anytime we do love I don't know what else you have to say beyond that you ask BLG like what his favorite thing about Cliff is you've never asked me that and I want to hit on that, but I do have something I need to talk about. I meant to talk about this on one of my final episodes of the Ringers Philly Special and figured it'd be perfect to bring it to this show.

Okay. Given recent events. Okay. So first, my favorite thing about Cliff is that he is like a... How close he is with Olivia? My guy, Cliff. My guy Cliff. My favorite thing about Cliff is how he fits in very well in pretty much any room that you put him in.

And he also, like, has this realness about him where, like, if you say something, something crazy. He will react like you said something crazy. But when I was thinking about those two things, I was thinking about the time that Cliff was over my house for a cookout. When he showed up, he complained about how long the drive was, but I think he had a nice time. He's very out. He's like, man, you live out in the boonies. I mean, not really, but okay, whatever. So, and Cliff had some great conversations with a few members of my family, my dad and my sister, most notably. And my sister, and my sister, and my sister. and my sister called me the next day

and she's like, I have someone that I think I could set Cliff up with. Oh. And I forgot to ask Cliff if like he was interested in being set up with somebody that my sister is, I don't know if I'd say friends.

I don't know what, I don't want to out this person that my sister is thinking of that would be good for Cliff. But she thinks she knows somebody that might be good for Cliff if Cliff was interested. So I figured this would be a good opportunity.

Oh, you never brought it to Cliff? I never brought this up to Cliff. She called you the next day and you never brought it to Cliff? I was, well, you know, listen, an unnamed, maybe, I'll name him. Shield Capadia has once told me, save it for the pod. You know, always get team content out of it. And I've been on the receiving end of this now.

So I figured drop this. And I'll listen. I mean, listen, I like this as great content. The ball is in your court, not Cliff. I feel like you really did a bad job as a friend here with Cliff. You know, I really did one of the favorite. There's somebody out there who wants to get set up with him. And you've been letting this linger for like two months.

months. It's been like a month. It's fine. They'll still be interested. She called you the next day. Hop to it. Like I said, I had to save it for the pod and then it's ringer wellness week and these guys are out and I, you know, and then I get back on the pod and there's, you know, Cliff two scooping me here. So it's, I finally got to it today. I was like, you know, I should bring that up on the podcast. So I can't believe you've been holding this in. Well, apparently Cliff might go on love is blind. Yeah, but come on. Cliffy two dates Let's go I can't believe you've been holding this information on Now I'm trying to make sure that Cliff knows

How much I appreciate him And I want him to be happy So maybe maybe it's time I mean Cliff I would never do that to you If someone came to me and said They wanted to set someone up with you I would call you within seconds

You gotta let it you gotta let it That's up to him Yeah that's fair That's fair Oh my God EJ Just looking out. You should be ashamed of yourself. Unbelievable.

What's the super chat we have here? Just a generous donation from essence. Thank you very much. I feel like I pronounced that correctly. What's so funny? That's how he spelled it. And that's how it's spelled. What are you going to say?

Oh, man. Nailed it. Cliff. All right. Shout out to Justin Hunter. Hope he's watching. All right. You know what, E.J., that was such an interesting thought process earlier on the super chat about the what might Eagles do in a trade.

Maybe let's make that tomorrow show. Let's think about some trade ideas. I might need to reach out to Mr. Content himself, Mr. National. Get some ideas. Who's available? Yeah. Tell him, tell him you heard that. someone named Jessica would like to go on a date with him.

It's been decades in the making. Jessica is also my sister's name. So you had me there for a second. I was like, what are you talking about? You got the two Jessica's. You got the two Julius. I got a lot of name. A lot of Jays.

Name overlap. Yeah. Are you serious? Do you call her Jesse? Hmm. I call my sister Jesse. Okay. Have you noticed I've been referring to Julia, my wife, Julia, as my wife?

to not have overlaher. No, I haven't. My Julia. My Julia. A little creepy. Yeah. No, it's fine. My Julia is a little creepy

now that I'm thinking about it. Yeah. I think it's, and you should say your Julia. Yeah. She can be your Julia too. Our Julia? Should we give them nicknames?

No Julia will ever be. Howard, Julia. Okay. Good stuff. Great. Overtime. We'll be back tomorrow at 2 o'clock. And then another practice tomorrow and Wednesday.

That's the last training camp practice of the summer for the Eagles. And then we've got the preseason finale on Friday. Cuts are due a week from tomorrow. But I imagine there will be some news happening over the course of that time. You know, we'll be ready with your emergency ponds and all that good stuff. Thank you to everybody for watching and listening. Thanks to Julia for making it happen, our Julia. We will see you tomorrow at 2 o'clock.

Thank you, E.J. We love you, Cliff. And as always, we love you.