PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Emergency Pod: Josh Sweat joins Jonathan Gannon, signs with Arizona Cardinals

Episode Date: March 10, 2025

After already losing Milton Williams to the New England Patriots, the Eagles lost another key member of their defensive line with Josh Sweat signing with the Arizona Cardinals to join former Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

to the PHA Yagles podcast, an emergency podcast, Boat Wolf, Fran Duffy, Zach Berman, here to react to the official departure of Josh Sweat from the Eagles. You're the one sitting next to Zach, Fran. So you're going to be the one if he has to cry on a shoulder. It's going to have to be yours. But I will come and come for you as well if you need it, Zach. How are you feeling? Well, I had time to process this, Bill.

Okay. So this was one that we expected for a few months now. And interestingly, the Cardinals were a team that had come up, like even during the season. Yeah. Watch out for Arizona. Watch out for Arizona. So he goes to Arizona. Look, I know it's been a joke for six years with us.

I've been calling, I called Josh Sweat's breakout year probably like two, three years too soon. But the reality is this. He's a good player. Yep. A seven-year pro who's been pretty consistent ever since he became a starter. I don't think he's a top of the league. edge rusher, but I think he's near the top of the league. And I think when you look at the frame, when you look at the versatility, when you look at

the fact that he plays all three downs, and this might be a kind of a controversial statement relative to or a statement that goes against the perception, but the durability, because he is more durable than reputation suggests. Good for Josh Swett to get this type of money. Now the money, to be specific, four years, $76.4 million reported by Adam Schefter. That's $19 million a year. 41 guaranteed.

That's probably borderline, third, fourth, compic worthy for the Eagles. So they'll be, you know, they're happy. He's getting paid. But I think you just,

you think of Josh Sweat. And he could not have gone out on a higher note. Like two and a half sacks, arguably the Super Bowl MVP in his final game with the Eagles. He'd never had two and a half sacks in a game in his entire career.

What a final. impression what a final stanza for josh sweat after seven memorable and productive years with the egos after being a fourth round pick yeah and to me though when i look back on josh sweat's career obviously you think about the super bowl performance for sure but i to me i also look it as a story of development because this was a guy who redshirted his first year basically did not play his rookie season in year two you started to see flashes and year three was when he had that big breakout that zb predicted and i think when you're looking at guys taking that step we have to remember that development is not linear for every player. Development is not instant for everybody. You're not expecting every single

rookie to come in and have an impact. We saw that this past year with Nolan Smith, where people were down on Nolan Smith. He didn't do anything as a rookie. And then he's playing late in the preseason in year two. Then he goes on and he's one of the better defensive players for the Super Bowl champion Eagles. So I think when you look at players like Josh Swett, I think of him with some of his classmates like Jordan Milata is you got to give these guys some time to be able to develop. And I'll ultimately think of that when I think of Josh Swett. We can make this longer conversation because you know he came in as a 21 year old yeah that's part of the discussion that we always have about age and so the eagles were willing to give him that that

runway but yeah i think you're right like there are so many different versions of josh sweat that we all saw over the past seven years right like you know the guy who couldn't get on the field as a rookie and is developing behind the scenes there's the guy who's showing all the tools and like in training camp is just the last one off the ball every snap and like he just he just can't time the snap right then he turns into a really productive pass rusher then it becomes like um an all-around player who was not just a one-trick pony against the pass, you know, going high side and using his speed. He's a guy who can win with power as he did in the Super Bowl

and also is good against the run. And so, yeah, I think it's a great story of development. And also, that's not just the staff that's on him for being the one to develop himself. But the all-round part of it, I'm glad you brought that up because, look, I remember talking to Jonathan Gannon two years ago now. That's very important. About sweat. And like, that's what he kept coming.

back to because look I I harp on on the frame the pass rush skills you know you talk about when how he rose been uses the term tools in the body you're talking about a player like josh wet because when he came in you're talking about tools in the body that you have to refine like you're talking about the age profile when they when they when they drafted him but i remember talking to ganon and ganon kept harping on like the physicality that he played with and the ability to play against the run the ability to be like a real tough physical football player and i don't know if if if when coming out that was I'll defer to you, Fran, but, you know, I think he was like 6,5, 240 at the combine. He ran 4.5. He had, you know, he could, he had the length, he had the vertical.

He had everything you look for in that position. He added weight. He really learned how to play. And the thing that always jumped out to me, and this is kind of why I was so bullish on him. It wasn't necessarily my eyes. It was talking to, I remember Chris Long, talking to Lane Johnson. And these guys were like, Josh Sweat is going to be awesome. And when veterans who've been around say that, you're like, all right, they're not just puffing up a teammate here. Like they, or I should say pumping up a teammate, they can see it. And that really came to bear. Now, it didn't come to bear in terms of like a 15 sack guy.

But actually, his high watermark was 11 sacks during the regular season. If you combine the playoff sacks this year, he was double digits. But he's been consistently, you know, seven, eight, nine sacks. and $19 million is a lot for that, but I thought he was as good of an edge rusher as there was on the open market. No, I don't want to put a ceiling on Joshua because it does feel like now he is this fully formed player.

I don't know that the Cardinals are going to be getting an extra jump from him, but, you know, as you said, he's only 28 years old. He's one of the better pass rushers on the market. I'm curious, it's interesting that it's a person who knows him that's signing him and Jonathan Cannon because I do think part of the story with Joshua is we probably make too much of the knee, but you do have to know how to handle his snaps and stuff because we saw in 2023.

He was playing a ton more snaps and then sort of cratered production-wise the second half of the season. Even this year was much less productive the second half of the season until the playoffs when he came around. And so I think probably needs to go to a team that understands him and how to best use him. I think it's a good point. And honestly, too, when we talked about this, when we did the show after the Super Bowl, you know, going back and watching those sacks. I mean, one was against Travis Kelsey, whereas Kelsey was, you know,

a couple seconds laid off the ball. And the other, the running back went to chip him and bumped them two gaps inside. And so obviously, you don't take anything away. Two and a half sacks in the Super Bowl is huge. But to your point, you know, down the stretch,

the last several games, you know, sweat was not as big of an impact as he was in the first half of this season. So I do think there's a little bit of buyer beware. There's a little bit of risk here when it comes to the cardinal side of things. But, you know, clearly they have enough faith if they're going to pay him to that tier, at that level of the market for Josh Sweat and his services,

that's just shy of what Greg Rousseau got this weekend from the Buffalo Bills. And Rousseau's got, honestly, a similar kind of profile when he was coming out. So I think when you're looking at Sweat, you know, the Cardinals are hoping that he's able to match what he's done over these last couple years. Two things to add to that. I hear what you're saying with the Super Bowl. Now, that said, Zach Fawn's interceptions caused by a Josh Sweat rush that doesn't show up in the statute. But what's interesting to me is that a year ago, any team could have had him, right? I mean, the Eagles were trying to trade him.

part of the story here. Yeah. The Eagles were trying to trade him. They forced Josh Sweat to take a pay cut. It's a similar situation in Dallas got it now. He didn't have guaranteed or, you know, like in order for him to stay in Philly, he had to take less money. And they guaranteed this year and it was to let him hit the open market.

He's never hit the open market in his career. He signed an extension with the Eagles in year four before he was even like a full-time starter with the team. So I know he was eager to hit the open market. the year he had put him in this position. I need to look at all the edge rusher contracts, but my guess is,

well, I guess Cleo Max is the highest per year, but Josh Sweat might be the highest total value of any of the edge rushers who signed this week. I think in the for changing teams, yeah. In terms of changing teams on an average, but it might be the guarantees. Guarantee. It might be more. Yeah, it's interesting.

And now where this leaves the Eagles on the edge, a position that they obviously care about, even if Vic Fangio is willing to play his top guys a little bit more is you've got Nolan Smith, you've got Jalick's Hunt, and maybe you think he's ready to take on that number two role. I think more likely the Eagles would like to bring somebody else in. And then, as Vince asks about in the chat,

on the roster, they have Bryce Huff. Do you have any sense, Zach, of how the Eagles feel about Bryce Huff as part of the edge rush or rotation at the moment? I don't think they're planning on Bryce Huff to be as, I think it's almost similar to James Bradbury last year where it's gravy, if he's a contributor. now there's still time if they were to trade him they were to move on from him howie roseman says the book has has not been written on bryce huff and there might be

validity to that i don't think he's a scheme fit i'll defer you know fran had him very low in our uh flu world order yeah rankings and it's just um i think it probably makes sense for both sides if he goes somewhere else but that that contract is difficult to move at this point so I think that even if Bryce Huff is back, the Eagles kind of build this depth chart, not planning on him being a major contributor. Yeah, I think that when you look at it, I struggle with the fact that he was an inactive in the Super Bowl.

And they're not talking about a young player, talking about a guy who's been around the block. You know, I just think it's going to be tough to get him onto the 53 this coming year. But we'll see. We'll see how that goes as the offseason progresses. Maybe that's something that we're as after the draft and a team that, you know, was hoping to get a pass rusher, couldn't,

and then, you know, you're able to kind of swing something there. But no, and I think, you know, Brandon Graham and his future up in the air still, you know, publicly undecided at this point. And so Edge is going to be a position. We talked about it on the show earlier, Beau, where that was the position where we thought we could see some kind of a splash here and free. Listen, was he's old Lurie still on side? It's probably the guy who we all talked about us,

is if they were going to add somebody, he's the one who made me made the most sense. how great is the Josh Sweat Sack celebration? It's up there. It's pretty good. Yeah, I agree. It's definitely up there. I actually heard, I need a fact check this. I think that was a G1-Hertz suggestion.

Really? Yeah, I think Gail one suggested the sweat, the wiping the sweat off. Interesting, yeah. Pretty good. Hey, Julia, do we have the capability to play in the show the video from the Super Bowl

of all the guys talking about what their favorite memories were of each game. Do we have that? Because that's a dynamic performance from Josh Swet and one of the ways that I would like to remember him. Yeah, while we look this up, I can just say from like a personality perspective. I love Josh Swet.

What a fun guy to talk to. Yeah. Josh Swet's really bright, but I don't think Jonathan Gannon should be signing Josh Swet to be like the leader in the room per se, like the veteran in the room. I think Josh Swet,

I don't. don't think he takes away from the room. I think he's a hard worker. I think he cares. I just think he's not going to be like the thermostat. Yes, he's not going to be the thermostat. Well said. Do you know where Josh Swett was this weekend? I heard on a previous show. He was in Columbia, the country, not the city. That's right. Yes. With Milton Williams. At Patrick Johnson's wedding. Yeah. Do you think they had like, well, I guess who was paying for the drinks? Yeah, that's a good question. Although probably Patrick Johnson. The hotel bar the night before who was paying for the drinks. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good question. Yeah.

Yeah, poor, poor Matt Leo's hooking the bill. These two guys are about to get, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars. Well, maybe not quite. Anyway, do you think we'll get more news on the edge from Joshua? I'm not from Joshua, from the Eagles. Do you think they will do something today? I do think, well, yeah, I think the Eagles do something before the draft here. I don't know if they do something today.

The name that's lingering is Aziz O'Jolari. I think he's probably the best fit for them, but he is going to cost something. The Eagles have Nolan Smith, like you said. They're exceedingly high on J.OX Hunt. As Fran will tell us often during the next few weeks, this is a loaded edge rusher draft class. But as we talked about on the show earlier, you can't just wait until the draft to address a position.

So I think the Eagles will look for a rotational piece, but I'm not sure it's going to be, well, that's actually not sure. I could see them signing a starter still. But I think Jalx Hunt is the guy to watch taking a much bigger role next year. elsewhere across the league a couple things to note most importantly for the eagles Aaron banks signing a big deal with the Green Bay Packers setting the guard market that maybe leads to the dominoes that could lead to Mackay Beckton

signing whether that's here or elsewhere do we have numbers on banks yet we do I have to get that we have numbers on Patrick McCarie which is over 10 million a year okay because you know all along we kind of anticipated that Mackay Beckton would be in that 14 to just around above above that I mean like 14 to 18 14 to 20

for banks for banks 477 for banks so that's yeah that's like 19 all right so yeah 19.25 I mean the Eagles are not going to pay that for me I mean not going to pay 15 for McIbackton I would be surprised if they pay eight yes then and we've talked about at some point Cam Jerkins gets an extension

I have a hard time seeing five guys on the offensive line all making eight digits, right? I mean, one of those spots you're going with a guy on a rookie contract or a discount veteran. So unless Mackay Beckton's willing to take a significantly below market deal, and I would think that he's probably in the market somewhere between McCarrie and Aaron Banks, if not up there with Aaron Banks, that Mackay Beckton will be playing elsewhere. Now, somebody needs to be willing to pay him that someone else. But, you know, Cam Robinson hasn't signed yet. Jedrick Wills is still out there.

Jedrick Wills is still out there. Yep. Larry Boreham. The Jaguars are shining Chuma Odoga. Chuma Odoga. Most memorable to me for his participation in the airplane etiquette survey at the Senior Bowl. And he was very anti-baby, which crossed him off my board. Right.

Anti-baby in general or anti-baby on the airplane? I mean, it was pretty much anti-baby in general, but mostly on an airplane. What was his position? Like they should be, they should have separate. You should have separate planes. I don't know about separate planes, but I'll say this, okay? Before I had a baby, I had so much less tolerance for babies on the plane than, I mean, it's one of those things you have to live it. I remember I was on a red eye coming back from, I don't know, it was the owner's meetings of one of them.

This was before I had a baby, and this baby was crying the whole time. I'm not like saying they need their own planes, but I was pretty frustrated at the baby. Once you have a baby, you are so empathetic. It's like the difference between sympathy and empathy, right? You have so much empathy once you've been in that spot. You opened up can of orange. No, I don't agree. Okay.

I don't know, maybe it's because I'm such a better person. But I think from the beginning, I recognize that those poor parents have to deal with this, this crying baby. They know that everybody's frustrated and everybody's annoyed with them. They're the ones like who you feel sorry for. I get it. But if you haven't been in, if you haven't tried to get a baby to stop crying, then I don't think you fully. appreciate what it's like when a baby's crying, right? It's, I, I genuinely, I, I would assume that if you're a 22 year old at the senior

bowl, you probably have, you're probably relatively ignorant to like what it's like bringing a baby on an airplane. I was more tolerant of it, I imagine, than Chuma, than Chuma Edoga was, but. Sound off in the chat. Do you have a soul? Yes or no. Fran, you want to weigh in on BabyGate? I don't want to pile on to Zach.

I'll just leave it there. Okay. All right. I believe we do have the video of the Eagles looking back on their favorite memories of the 24 season game by game, which we are watching because of the Tour de Force put on by Joshua. Stahl, stall, Stahl, Leslie Stahlings. Kevin Stollings?

Is that a person? Yeah, he was a former basketball coach at Vanderbilt and Pittsburgh. That's right. And he got fired. I think Eastern Illinois as well at one point. Bathroom stall. Yeah, wait, I'm looking at the chat here. Mikey Fais and put the babies in the cargo hold.

Babies should be. Oh, I was trying to say. I was trying to say that I had more, I was more empathetic once I lived it. That's all I was saying. I was trying to give a human moment there, right? I think. Okay. We'll play the video and leave Zach alone.

Saved by Julia. All right, we're going to pause. We're going to try to get the original video. Play that instead. Eric Stahl. Thank you for that. Well, I think we had some super chats in there. Oh, we have some super chats.

Oh, we have one. Oh, we already got to that one. Okay. That's okay. No big deal. I thought there was another super chat. Could be wrong. Okay. No. Okay.

That's okay. How do you feel about the, how do you feel about the fit with Jonathan Gannon? I think it's pretty good. I mean, look, the fact that, that sweat played in this Vic Fangio scheme where he was asked to drop at times because they're doing more of that in Arizona

than what JG did here in Philadelphia. I think that that played, you know, that that helps out, Josh, in terms of that transition. Because that defense is, that defense of the running in Arizona is not the defense, they ran here in Philadelphia in 2022 in 2021.

It is different schematically in a lot of ways. How so? There's a lot of more coverage variety. They do a lot of like weird like coverage rotations and things like that. A lot more variety from that standpoint. And then up front, it's not just, all right, we're going to play the these four and it's just going to be four man rush. They do a lot in terms like the sim pressures and dropping guys and sending play. They do a little bit more from a creative standpoint than what we've seen.

or what we saw here in Philadelphia. Okay. Is Zach, anything else that you are just keeping your eye on here in the market? I'm replaying the conversation in my head. I was trying to kind of... What about this? I'm giving you a chance to move on.

Yeah, I know, I know. I'm sorry. It's just, it's hanging with me. So, yeah, so some of these young edge rushers that are lingering on the market, I'm looking at the spreadsheet in front of me. and, you know, for instance, you mentioned Aziz, you mentioned Aziz Ojarari, no, Ojalari, but in addition, Joe Tryon-Scianka is still hanging around the market. He's a former high pick who, as you said, can drop in the coverage.

I'm curious to see what the Eagles do at Corner, like we mentioned on the previous show. I'm not expecting them to add someone over Keely Ringo, but I add someone with Keely Ringo. is my guest someone to compete, and it's a pretty ripe market in that regard. I'm curious to see if the Eagles add another linebacker here, knowing that Nacobi Dean has injury questions. Now, Jeremiah Trotter Jr. is someone who they're interested in the development, but maybe if they bring back Orrin Berks or that type of player, because there's a few guys there who would fit that description.

Obviously, what happens with Mackay Beckton, and we talked about Fred Johnson. I want to see if the Eagles add a swing tackle, or if they would. wait until the draft or after the draft for that spot because I do think, you know, with Lane Johnson's age, and you saw last year, both Lane Johnson and Jordan Mila to miss time, Fred Johnson had to start on both

sides last year, right? And so what the Eagles do about that position is, I don't want to say as intriguing as right guard, but I think it's up there. How do you feel about what do you think the team thinks of Daring Kinnard? Because he fits in here, like they kept him on the roster the whole time.

Do you think they view him as the inherent swing tackle or potentially a competitor at right guard? Well, I know he's someone that they like internally and they like to his development. He's a former draft pick by Kansas City, right? He's not like just the journeyman. You know, he was on that, he was on that

roster on that practice squad. The Eagles targeted him to a futures deal. So, yeah, I mean, I'll defer to Fran in terms of the evaluation, but I know from talking to people behind the scenes, they really like the way he looked in camp. Both you and I had him on our 53, though, for a reason, which

don't typically see for a futures player. Yeah, I think that it would probably be a little bit of a stretch to say like, all right, we're going to definitely have him penciled in for the Fred Johnson role. But I think you pencil them in to compete for that. And then if you have another answer that could that could vie for that spot, you'd probably feel better about that as opposed to just putting all your eggs in that basket. I feel like I've said that phrase like five times today. So I'll try and find a replacement. I mean, you paid so much money for the eggs. You've got to use them. No, that's right. And then we're also waiting to see what happens. at tight end with Dallas Goddard.

But I still think the best fit for the Eagles of anyone out there right now is Draymond Jones. Yep. From the player, from the background with Vic Fangio, from the age profile, from the fact that he doesn't count against the compensatory pick formula.

And the more he lingers, that's the player I would watch. We do have a couple of super chats now. Shea wants to know, do you think there is a market for a baby's only airline? Well, you have to have the adults flying with them, right? So my guess is, is,

is no, but honestly, if you've ever taken a flight to Orlando, that's like that is, that's, that's almost all kids often, right? And like, I got no issue with kids on the plane. I want to make that abundantly clear. Okay. I just have more empathy ever since that.

New Samuel Jackson movie, babies on a plane. What's this next one here? Vince says, or free agent targets who will not mess with the comp picks. Yeah,

Draymond Jones is the first one that jumps out to me. Yeah, that's the big one. Who won the offensive line? Is there someone who's been cut on the O line right now? I don't think there is a very long.

Alex Capo was the guy. Yeah, Shaq Mason, but he, I don't know if he's a guy they would go after. I know Jonathan Allen. I'm expecting Jonathan Allen

to make more money. Javon Hargrave fits into that category. Yeah. At edge rushers, Adairias Smith and Preston Smith have both been released,

so they wouldn't count. against that formula. Demarchus Walker, I believe, has a background with Vic Fangio, right? Yes, yes. Okay, so, and does he have a background with Clinton Hurd as well? Walker?

I don't think so, no. Claire says, worse on a plane. Crying baby or a mad toddler? Um, so Claire, help me out here. What's the mad toddler doing on the plane? Hmm. kicking your seat from behind you.

Yeah. and just being loud. Probably the crying baby. See, I think as a parent, I think the mad toddler is actually more frustrating for the parent too. Oh, no, I meant for the patron. Yeah, I know, but I actually, I think for the,

yeah, I think for the patron too. I think for the other. But you know what? I don't get to defend myself or fear, okay? You're defending yourself against yourself. No, no, no, no, no. You have said nothing. You're not the majority of this.

Truly? Yeah. Because this is the thing. I always defended the babies on the plane. okay because I would because whenever there was something complaining I was like just put on headphones right you won't hear the baby crying just put on headphones it's not a it's not a big deal right so I always said that except 10 minutes ago no no no it was so the red eye right back on the red eye I wasn't um you didn't know about headphones no no I wasn't the AirPods would fall out and I was afraid of losing the AirPods So I think that's what I don't know. Which of course was the baby's fault. No, I'm just.

It's a choking hazard in their defense. I don't know. Next one. No, those were the, do we have the video to play now? All right, let's play the video. And we'll come back and unless there's other news, we will close this out. I don't know. I know Fran's got another show to get to.

A great experience in Brazil. Fun flight. Zach Bonds. Sack. In the game. Damn. We lost. How we do that.

After they had scored to tighten up the game, or I think getting the lead, by a few points, Dallas' drag rod that he caught and took it for like 60 yards. Damn. Again. I won't eat mad. I'm like, damn. Looked in the mirror at ourselves.

First start. Sequin Barkley. Confusing Sidney Brown with his twin brother. DeMonte Smith's catch in the back of the end zone. We generally just kind of chucked it up there. They made a crazy catch. That was definitely dope for sure. That was like the most highlights I've seen in the game.

because it was Smitty's crazy catch. Sequin jumping over a guy backwards, Nukobi's one-hand catch in the back of the end zone. So I would just say highlights. Shit, at first it was a dog fight, but then we, yeah, we destroyed them. Intents. Oh, it was a freaking physical game.

Physical game. At the Rams, good test for us out in LA. Ooh, we were doubted. Cooper's hit. Cooper's hit. A weird game. Ooh, nail biter. Nail biter, nail biter, nail biter.

Seals was a good test. I feel like the Mike Taulman team, they always played tough and state opponent as well, so a lot of bragging rights there. Yeah, we let them come back. We had like five turnovers, didn't we? Yeah. Second Kelly Green game.

Cedys pick six, one then and then to East that night. Destroyed? My first start. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. That was great. Destroyed. Dallas, stiff arming them all the way down to noon. Good rematch, but we destroyed them too, right?

Oh, lit. That's when I got one. In the snow, too, snow game. It felt like a video game. Sequan's first run when he cut the pitch and just took it to the house. I was like, he's playing NCAA or Madden on rookie. Destroy it. There you go.

It's great content right there. Great content. Good stuff from Jeff. It also makes you excited about Jalek's Hunt. Yeah. Fantastic. Now we have breaking news that happened during that video. In the NFC East, the Washington commanders.

How are they going to deal with this fierce Eagles pass rush? Well, they're going to trade for Laramie Tunsell waiting on the exact return. Oh, so it looks a. second rounder and a fourth rounder to the Texans plus a third rounder. Hold on. Did a break? Yeah. Let's see. Anyway, the commanders are getting Laramette Tunsell. It's a big get for, look. We talked about it in the playoffs. We talked about it late in the season when they had their second game. I do think Washington is going to be a problem, a team that the Eagles are going to have to deal with here in the coming years. I think deep. Bob Samuel is probably on the wrong side of the hill, but adding a player like Laramie Tunsel,

who has proven that he can be one of the best past protectors in football. That's a big get for this team. And an upgrade from what, I mean, they were playing Brandon Coleman. It was a rookie third round pick who was up and down. It wasn't terrible. But I mean, that's a huge boom for them here. We'll see what they gave up, package wise. And we always talk about when you have a quarterback on a rookie contract, that's your

opportunity to add big, you know, high price. players. So Washington's taking advantage of this window. You saw them at Devo Samuel. They add Laramie Tunsell. These picks have to come to fruition, but it makes sense to add expensive players now. And then you kind of

get, you try to take advantage of this three-year period before you have to pay Jading Daniels. Yeah, I think there's a way to spend this that this is good news for the Eagles. Really? If you're, if you're the Eagles, you're kind of hoping that the commanders over believed in the end of their season,

like that they were the second best team in the conference. They went to the NFC championship game. Let's push in some chips and take advantage of, and take advantage of Jaden Daniels being on the rookie contract, but also maybe their team is not really that good. You know, they got a good draw. They went out and they beat an injured Lions team. And Lamarie Tunsell is 30 years old,

and it looks like they're trading maybe a second, a third, and a fourth. So it looked for him. It was weird wording from rap sheet. It says a second rounder and a fourth rounder to the Texans plus a third rounder this year. I'm assuming he met a third rounder next year would be my guest. So some combination of a second, third, and fourth over the next two years. Like that's real, especially the second rounder, that's real value. If you're thinking about them building their team from.

The team was so old last year, a bunch of veterans on one-year deals. And now they're trading in future trips for a 30-year-old? Well, yeah, to that point, if I were, if I were Adam Peters, I would much rather use that money on free agents than or, you know, I mean the Debo Samuel. Money as opposed to picks. Exactly. I mean, certainly not high premium picks. Now I understand a franchise left tackle is going to cost you that.

Consul, I didn't watch that much Houston last year. I saw Greg Gorsenthal said he had a relatively down year compared to past years. That whole group was pretty bad. Yeah, five-time pro bow. So it is a second and a fourth next year and a third this year. Oh. And they get back. And they get a second and a fourth next year and a third this year.

I like that even less. And right. And they get back a fourth and Laramie Tunsell. So the second rounder in 2026, like if they're not that good, then that could be a really good pick. Exactly. Yeah. And also their defense got a little worse because Jeremy Chin.

I was going to say, you boy. Goes to the Raiders. Yeah. Tom Brady knows what's up. It's one of your good. That's one of your best bit. Yeah. I think, I mean, listen, Laramie Tuss was good.

They're a better team now. But actually, I think, I think, I think, big picture that makes you feel better about the way that Washington is running things. We'll see. Just, just me. By the way, I just, I mean, this might open up a can of worms, okay?

This might open up. Are we going back to the baby? No, no, no, no, no. But, and you actually appreciate this. This was the mistake, the mistake that Joshua Harris and his ownership group made with the 76ers.

They bought the team. The team had success. in the first year because if you remember Derek Rose got hurt in the first round of the playoffs okay the sixers love this the sixers go to the second round they overachieve anyone watching that sixers team they take the Celtics to seven games okay they overachieve in a big way so you know what they do they decide they're going to push their chips in and they go for Andrew buying them and it explodes on them and it's like because they had such um they they were like we figured out the league we're ready

now you would hope that Adam Peters and there's people in there who are like but if the notion is that they had one good year and now they're ready to strike I would say that there is like a sustainable way to build a franchise and so effort man I'll do it again

because the whole well they give him a southern accent I don't know when Phil Jones and Isaac's there the whole process the whole process started because the Sixers mis-evaluated that one playoff front.

Zach, I think it's one of your, I think it's one of your best takes you ever have. Hey, I'll leave on that one. You really bounced back. Yeah, the whole thing was worth it to get that take. I think that's exactly right. All right, that'll do it for this Josh Schwett emergency pod. We're staying here.

If something else happens, we'll be here. But until then, thanks for watching and listening. Thanks to Julian Chris for Fran and Zach. I'm Bo. We will talk to you later. And as always, we love you. there.