PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Farewell to an Eagles legend: Brandon Graham announces his retirement

Episode Date: March 18, 2025

The reason Tom Brady can’t sleep at night, Brandon Graham officially announced his retirement Tuesday, capping arguably the best career in franchise history. No one has played more seasons for the Eagles, no one else made the most important play in franchise history, and only three others join him as a two-time Eagles Super Bowl champion.Zach Berman and Bo Wulf, who have been there for pretty much all of Graham’s career, reflect on the man who always had a smile on his face and smack talk in his mouth. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello everybody and welcome to the P. H.LY Eagles podcast on a Tuesday afternoon, Bowulf, Zach Berman in studio. We will hear from Fran Duffy in a bit. And Trent Cole, a little bit after that, as we are here to celebrate and unpack the retirement of Brandon Graham, Zach Berman, after 15 years the most games played in franchise history. And I think you can make the case the greatest Eagles career in franchise history. Brandon Graham hangs it up. What a scene it was today. Yes, outstanding scene, deserved, seen touching speech on his part, really poignant perspective in the Q&A that followed, the press conference that followed. And just it was emblematic of like who Brandon is. You know, he was he was authentic.

There was what really touched me and I know we'll get into it is you saw Brandon Graham the father. You saw Brandon Graham the husband. Like in addition to Brandon Graham, the football player, and Brandon Graham, the teammate in the Philadelphia, those who are around Brandon, you know, in the locker room, know how much his family means to him and how he's always, you know, is always talking to his wife and talking about his kids.

And that came through. And then you saw to how much he meant the teammates from different, you know, or from different periods. Fletcher Cox was there. Generations is right. Yeah, Janwin Hertz. was there. Thomas Booker, Jellux Hunt, Matt Lee, like you go on down the list. Connor Barwin. Connor Barwin and, you know, Nick Siriani and Howie Roseman. And it was a day, a moment that

Brandon Graham earned and deserved. And it was, it was cool to be there to experience it. Yeah, that longevity is so impressive. I mean, in the NFL, obviously 15 years period is kind of insane and in the same place. There's a reason it had never been done before. Remember, like always, as a kid growing up with my dad, we would play like the Kevin Bacon game for sports. Like how do you connect one player to another through the teammates? I mean, with Eagles, you can get from like Derek Burgess to Jalick's Hunt in one move through Brandon Graham.

Like it's crazy how long he has been here and how sort of ageless he has been, not in play, but in the way that he approaches things. And this is one of the things that he talked about. and one of the things that lots of his teammates and coaches have talked about over the years, but like the consistency every day showing up with a smile on his face,

bringing that energy is a part of the reason that he made it this far. Yes. And it was interesting hearing him say to his son, like in our house, the men get up first. And the reason is... Not the case in my house. Well, no, because I'm going to point this out because you talk about the consistency,

there was a period of time when the players parked in the same law, that we parked in, right? And I bring this up because Brandon Graham's car was always the first spot backed in. His car was there because he was there early every morning.

There was a consistency to the way he went about his job. The enthusiasm that he has every single day, it's contagious. Like that's not hyperbole to say it's contagious. Players will talk about

how, like, you get annoyed by it sometimes. obvious, but like you can't help but smile and like he brings that energy. And I think that is, that is so important. He used the term a few years ago. He brings the good juju. And I think there's, there's something to that, uh, you know, Nick Siriani had that quote earlier this year that every workplace needs a Brandon Graham. I wouldn't even say workplace. I think like every, every person needs a Brandon Graham. Every person needs needs, needs like that enthusiasm, that excitement, that positivity that he brings. And I think that did come through in his speech today.

And it's such a beautiful Philadelphia story of the arc of his career. I mean, forged in the fire of those early seasons when, as he would tell you, he was considered a bust and he's blocking everybody on social media. And today he's talking about, you know, he needed his wife, Carleen, to sort of bring him back outside and get out of, you know, feeling sorry for himself for all those things. And then goes on to make the most important best play in franchise history, you know, sacking Tom Brayne. in the Super Bowl, there's a reason that, you know, he's going to be on sort of the Mount Rushmore of Eagles. Not necessarily the best player in franchise history, but I think, I think a good case,

and I probably would say, like, the best Eagle of all time. And elaborate on that. What do you mean by that? Well, he's 15 years, most games played. He made the most important play in franchise history. He's been there for all the big things. And I think he represents everything that the Eagles care about and want. And so, We can even, we will get to, like, what his legacy is just as a player on the field. Yeah. But I think, like, in terms of everything that the Eagles want to bring into the building, he is so emblematic of it all.

It's a good point. It's a very human story. And that's what came through to in his speech. You mentioned Philadelphia. He said, we didn't get off on the right note, right? Or we didn't get off on a good note. And those first few years were rough. And he's told the story in the past about how going.

into that 2015 season, or 2014 season rather, if Travis Long doesn't get hurt, then he might have been cut. And I remember free agency after that year, he was close to signing, I believe, with the Giants at one point. And he comes back to the Eagles and the career arc that he had. It wasn't really until, you know,

when Jim Schwartz got here and he referenced that, that he kind of found. his footing he dealt with injuries early on, scheme change. But it's fascinating when you think, if we did this show 10 years ago and you brought up Brandon Graham, the word association would be Earl Thomas because he was associated with the Eagles

passing on Earl Thomas. And he was always referred to as a bust in that regard. And now he's out, his careers last longer than Earl Thomas, Jason Pierre Paul. Like he is 15 years is so hard to reach. As you said, the most games in franchise history, two Super Bowls. It was not lost on me that those Lombardi trophies were up there.

And he referenced that. He would look at them a few times. What a flex that is to just be sitting up there with two Lombardi trophies. Exactly. And, you know, you asked him about the sack on Tom Brady. Like, and he doesn't run from that. Like, he runs to it. You know, he loves talking about those.

moments and talking about the plays and it's the same thing with um with the fan base too like he i've all i've talked to him about this before he says yes to everything he is he is everywhere everywhere um you know i i i uh we go to the same pizza shop we go to this you know uh my my barber used to cut brandy graham's hair at one point like no but i'm saying but like there's no you know like the Kevin Bacon game can we played in the community because he is not he's not reclusive like he is he is part of this community and you know he did this today he walked in and it was very full circle he walked in and like shook the hands of everybody uh who was there and that is how he came in yes 2010 i remember that day very vividly of the day that or the day after he was drafted he came

in you know this this fresh face guy 22 years old which by the way is the same age as keely ringgo is right now and Kili Ringo was actually a year younger than Quinnian Mitchell. Boom. Take a shot. Yes. And I remember that day so well. And he remembers it well, obviously. And he has, there have been the ups and downs of his career, but he has had that,

he has had that smile the whole time. A little awkward for me today, though. I went in for the handshake. And he came for the hug. He went in for, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's, you're trying to keep it professional, but he's not playing anymore. It's okay.

Still, I went in for the hand. Was it a professionalism thing or an anti-touch thing? No, it was a professionalism thing. And it was also like not trying to be personal. You know, Brandon Graham, it's similar to what I said about Sequin Barclay, where like everyone, you know, I had that meet that sits down with Sequin. I'm like I'm in with Sequon, but everyone's in with Seekon. Everyone's in with Brandon Graham, right?

Like everyone feels like they're, you know, it's part of that personality that he has is that he brings you in. He makes everyone feel important. Whether you've been covering the team for one year or 25. Exactly. Exactly, yes. All right. Do we have Mr. Duffy? Not yet.

Okay, well, we'll get him in a second. What was your favorite moment from the speech? There was a quote that he said that I wrote down because I wanted to make sure you heard it. Because I think it was a very important thing for you to hear. Now, I think there was a lot of connectivity between you and Brandon Graham. I think you probably try to approach your day-to-day basis. Very much. I appreciate that he does, bringing that positive energy.

But there was an important thing he said that I really want you to internalize. Okay. Do you know what this was? I'm curious. I'm curious. He said, you're not going to make everybody happy. Yeah. So stop trying.

Okay. So that was your favorite part? Yeah. I don't know if it was my favorite part, but that I wanted, that was the part that I wanted to really make sure that I underscored for you. Okay. I like that. Yeah. That's true.

That's true. I would say for me, if we're going to get personal on the show, was it was, him as a father was really touching me. Of course. I've shared this a few times. not like in complete detail, but a lot of the conversations, Brandon and I have had during the past year or two years have not been about football, but it have been about fatherhood. And like he's, he's given me advice that's actually been really sound and stuff that I've tried to apply in my life. And it was such a, like he was speaking at one point directly to Bryson, right? And, and that was,

that was touching and, and talking about how, um, the way he wants his kids. to see him and how he wants his kids to learn from his story and from his community work. That to me really stood out. You had the line, was it, I forgot which story it was, but that Brandon's the talk on speakerphone with his wife guy. What story was that? Probably Carleen. Oh, yeah, that's what they, yeah, that's what it was.

Yes, okay, yeah. And like, as I said at the top of the show, you can't be around Brandon Graham and not hear about his wife, Carlin. and not hear about Bryson and Emerson. I should say Emerson and Bryson. So that really came through. Is there a specific piece of advice that comes to mind? Yeah.

I'll say it on here. I don't believe I'm speaking out of turn because it's applicable and it's kind of honoring him too. Is he we were lamenting at one point missing, you know, our kids play in the same league and we're lamenting missing it because we had missed like two with the first three games and he says to me he looks at me dead in the eyes. This was like

a Friday and he had to go and he said he said you got to understand you can't be at everything. He said but you have to be present when you're there and he said and my kids know that when I'm there I am always present and that and like nothing else during that

time matters and like they have your full attention and he's like that's what you have to focus on and it was it was great advice and it was something that I've really you know there's And when I go out dinner with my kids, I put my phone away. And, like, it's being, I think of, of Brandon Graham. That.

And then just the other, like, there's, you know, if you see Brandon Graham out at a restaurant, like, he can't, he's nice to everybody. Of course. And it's, it's, I told my kids that. Like, there is no such thing as a bad day because everyone they meet. Every kid who meets Brandon Graham, like, that's, that's their story of the day. And he knows that. And he really focuses on,

on that. And we spoke about that, like how much he puts into every interaction. Yeah. So, but when he was talking to Bryson is something that I could have really empathize with. Very well said. Let's go now to a man who spent a lot of time working alongside Brennan Graham in the NovaCare Complex. That, of course, is Fran Duffy. Fran, how are you? Do you have a favorite BG story or memory? I mean, there's so many like little moments and obviously the big moments right? Obviously nothing bigger than Super Bowl 52. Like obviously, you know, being in the stadium for that play. But, you know, for me, you know, I worked for the Eagles for 14 years and BG was there for

every one of those years. And the big thing that people would always ask me is like, oh, like, what is it like, you know, working for the team and you'll be, are you around the players, or you're on the coaches, you know, what is it like? And my answer would always be that, you know, players and coaches, like they're just regular people. They're just like us, right? There are some people that you love to be around. There's some people that you don't love to be around.

And then there's everybody that's in the middle. You know, BG is in that first group where, and I don't say this to be hyperbolic. He is someone that when he comes into a room, you can't help but smile. Like he's just one of those guys that just lightens the mood of every room that he walks into. You know, our office, our workspace was, where the studio was, was near the cafeteria. You had to go out of your way. if you were going to stop in there other than like if you were going to come in and do a shoot. And so whether, you know, BG was coming in to, you know, if he was doing an interview with Dave Spadero

or if he was going to come in to do something for EAC, which he was always extremely involved in, you know, BG would a lot of times come out of his way. He'd be going in for breakfast or going for lunch or stopping in for a snack or, you know, whatever at the cafeteria. And he would poke his head in and be like, you know, what's up guy? Eagles Entertainment, what's going on? He was one of those guys that always went out of your way to make you feel good. That to me is the thing that I always think of.

And even as Francis has gotten older, and he would ask me about players on the team, Brandon Graham was my guy that was my favorite guy on the team, just because of who he is off the field. I wanted to ask a follow up to what you just said, because you have unique perspective to this. And hearing Brandon speak today, and he would reference. specific people in the organization who maybe fans don't know about. And he referenced, you know, for instance, Carly from Community Relations. And as he was going around, he, you know, there were different people in the media who, like you, used to work for the team. And he had special embraces with them. And I'm curious, like, the demands outside of football

that some of these players have, whether it's community relations, whether it's Eagles Entertainment. And Brandon, from my understanding, is, like, as agreeable as anyone has ever been, what perspective do you have on that? Because after he had his press conference today, he went to the cafeteria. He was kind of embraced by the members of the organization. So what does he mean to like the non-football parts of the building? I mean, he, he is going to be extremely missed in that building. You know, and who knows? I don't know what he is going to be there for him like all the time. Yeah. I mean, like everyone that works there has an interaction with Brandon Graham. you know, and some more regular than others, right, depending on what department you work in,

but everybody that if you step in that building, if you're in there every day, you're going to come across him and he is going to make himself heard and felt and seen in the best way possible. And, you know, Zach, you mentioned, like, look, whether it's marketing or corp sales or EAC or Eagles Entertainment, you know, whatever it is, you know, social media, everyone knows, like, yeah, there are going to be those asks on the business side of the building and some players are more agreeable to those than others and you don't want to like overask right but bg no matter no matter what he would always be down like for whatever you needed and if it was that you know hey we need this like short social thing or hey we need somebody to come in for an interview and bell like you remember

what these were like where it was like sometimes you just know like you have your reliable ones that you would go to uh and then you have uh you know other guys there's just like yeah you're we all like this person, but we're not going to bother asking because you know that he's going to say no, right? And BG was one of those guys that just always said yes to everything and never complained about it,

never gave you like the, oh, you know, like never gave you. He just, he was always down for everything, whatever he could do to help. Now, I don't,

I don't want it to get lost in the, uh, retrospective on Brandon Graham's career. What a good player he was. And so when, when you watch him play, what, what stood out to you from all those years?

It's like, you know, he's, he's six to two, 265. He is not a big guy. Yeah, I mean, relatively speaking, but relative to defensive ends in the NFL. And yet he's not a, he's not a speed rusher. He is overpowering guys. It's a good example of low man wins. But what, what are we sort of like the most fun parts about watching Brandon Graham play to you? Yeah, the play personality of a guy that just, he plays a million miles an hour,

nonstop every single play. And whether that meant playing for Jim Schwartz and the wide. nine, whether that meant playing for Billy Davis and the two gap three, four, where he had to stand up off the edge as a backup and play, you know, eight to 12 snaps a game, you know, whatever the role was, or if he was kicking inside on third down, you were going to get nonstop effort, someone that was kind of always fly to the football. Was he always the best like dropping in coverage? You know, he played in that three, four scheme? No, but he did everything that was always asked of him. And then always, again, just constant pursuit of the football. And you just saw

that popped through time and time and time again. And, you know, I'm sure I know you guys have talked about and we'll continue to talk about just like the resiliency he showed, uh, through all of the schematic changes and the, uh, the things that he had to show throughout his career as he went through all the different forms of adversity, whether it was injury, uh, obviously schematic changes and all that. But, you know, again, just kind of put his head down, went to work and kept going through it. And this was a guy that was able to win with power, was able to win with technique, and was able to win with effort. And that's when we're doing our drafts, all throughout the spring.

It's all to me, like it always comes down to boiling it for players. What are the different ways that you can win? And with BG, like, again, he had that ability to win with quickness. He could win with power. He can win with effort. He can win with technique. That's a lot of different ways you could find your way to the football. And so that was to me as one of the things that always stood out.

The other thing that I always think about with him as a player beyond the pass rushing is you are never ever going to beat him on the backside of a run. Like, he is always going to be there. ready to blow up that play. And if you try to run that play against him, you have, you have not done your schematic homework. Like every single time he's going to blow that bad boy up.

No, like blocking with a tight end. That's silly. Why you would bother trying to do that, you know, and just you're running away from him. He's going to make the play. If he's going to line up inside on a pass rush down,

like he's going to beat the guard. You know, he's a guy, again, that just found so many different ways to win, so many different ways to get to the football. And just, and obviously,

too, just like the personality, but I mean, anything with him miced up is just going. Fans are going to be missing that for years and years. So if you're in the coaching room or in a team meeting and Nick Siriani or Vic Fangio or Jeremiah Washburn or Howie Roseman are addressing the team about what can be learned from Brandon Graham as a football player, as a teammate, like what comes to your mind? What would the football perspective be on what can be learned from Brandon Graham? well he would be a player that to me the uh the physical outlier aspect of it you know bow you hit

it or a little bit earlier like he's not a big guy and i can tell you like you know when when chip kelly one of the big reasons why that was a you know that was a possibility where they were going to move off of bg was like he he was not built the way that outside linebackers in that three four scheme were built like dion jordan guys that were big and long and athletic and could move and do and do all these different things and have that versatility. And BG was the opposite of that. He had shorter arms. He was a little bit shorter.

He was a little bit squattier. But it showed that ability, regardless, you know, he was ranked extremely great. He graded out extremely well, you know, across the board. Every single year he was asked to play in that scheme and just again found those ways to win. I think that going back to one of the things I said earlier, just finding ways to check as many boxes, that's something you learn from. And then also, and this is something that I think is extremely important and gets undersold, especially in a market like Philadelphia

is the mental toughness that it takes to be able to fight through adversity. And I think that that's something that all teams know this. You know, that's something that scouts are always trying to dig up on players. And honestly, it's one of the ways that teams miss most often because you just don't know if guys have, you know,

if they haven't faced that level of adversity. But, you know, if you are a little bit immature when you get to your new city and things don't go well, how are you going to fight through that? And what are you going to look like coming out on the other side? And I think that's something that, you know, obviously BG faced that early in his career and came out better for it. Yeah, Zach brought up the, you know, the Earl Thomas, Jason Pierre Paul comparisons from early in his career.

It's a good reminder of how much things can change, how much the narrative around a player can change, how much the truth can change. Like at that point of his career, that was the truth. He was not Earl Thomas. But the way that he aged was unbelievable. 29 sacks the first seven years of his career, 38 sacks, the last seven years of his career. That includes like one season that was washed out on another half season.

Super impressive. Let us know, by the way, in the comments, your favorite Brandon Graham moment. Fran, any final thoughts on BG, aside from him also being famous in the locker room for the noxiousness of his particular odors? I mean, it's been said, but the laugh. Like, like, BG's laugh is, uh, unreplicable, um, unless you're Boston Scott.

Boston Scott's impersonation of the Brandon Graham laugh, uh, is one of the best things that I, that I've ever laid my ears on. Uh, if you have not heard that, that's something to seek out. All right. Fran Duffy, thank you so much. We will see you on Thursday for the pHLY draft show with friend Duffy at noon. And then we'll also see you for the Eagles show at 2 o'clock. Good luck with the rest of your day.

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We're waiting. Trent Cole, joining the show in the middle. Go ahead. Yeah, just a few quick things that I think is some housekeeping with this. As Brandon Graham said today, that had the Eagles not won the Super Bowl, he would be pushing to come back. He would have thought about it, yes.

But he kind of framed it like he would be asking them. Like, I think they were... Oh, did you think it was asking them? I thought it was asking his wife. Oh, no, I thought it was asking them. Interesting. I was reading it more as like pushing for one more with the family potentially.

Maybe, okay, could be that. Because he did say it was going to be the farewell tour. He said, he said, quote, if I didn't make it back to the Super Bowl, man, I probably wouldn't be up here right now. I promise you, I'll be begging to come on back one more, but I was happy to be able to make it back to play with my guys, put that uniform on one last time.

Yeah, I wonder if, I mean, maybe baiting his wife. We have sort of undersold the story of just how crazy it was that he was able to come back and play in that game and then re-tares the triceps. I mean, like what a way to go out like a hero. But I wonder if when he suffered the original injury in Los Angeles if he thought that that was it.

It's a good question. And I was actually reviewing those quotes recently. And yeah, he was talking. like this is, I remember him saying, if this is how it ends, I have no regrets, right? But the, and he said this today, the injury did put a little damper on what he said was going to be his final year.

Like he didn't want it to end that way, right? He wanted to go out on his terms. And it is, like you said, remarkable, absolutely remarkable that he was able to come back for the Super Bowl and re-tair it. And I remember him talking in the locker room leading up to the Super Bowl and it was framed, what's the risk?

He's like, well, the risk is just tearing it again. He said he didn't even know in the game that he had torn out. He's like, it's not that big of it. It shows you how tough these guys are. He's like, it's not as bad as the knee. It is, he's a tough guy. He's dealt with a lot of injuries in his career, you know. It was also good to get the independent confirmation

that that's what happened to Nolan Smith. The team has not done. And it was, it was, It was fascinating. I remember, well, it was the COVID year, right? When he, um, towards Achilles. Yes. And you didn't know then how he was, how he was going to come back.

And I keep thinking, my, my, my, among my favorite Brandagram stories, maybe my, my favorite is when you watched the game with his wife and kind of seeing that perspective, but because like, what it's like for him to come back and going through that year afterwards, um, yeah, he is, he's a tough dude. Yeah. It's been awesome to watch the whole time. Do you think he would have come back had they not made it? I don't know.

I don't know. I honestly don't know. I also, like, it is fun to think back to because, you know, he didn't play a ton last year. Yeah. And then, you know, Vic Fangio telling him this summer, like, you're not here on a retirement tour. I'm asking.

I want you to play. And he was, he was so good this year. Especially that Rams game, too. The first time of the season, he was dominating. Yeah, especially that Rams game. This was not like, you know, going out with a, you know, like a poof. He was, he was as good as he's ever been

that first time for the season. You're absolutely right. And a key part of that defense when the Eagles were, you know, they were, Nolan Smith wasn't playing at the level earlier in the year that he was later in the year. They were, but all these different things he was doing behind the scenes, knowing this was his last year.

He said this year he told Josh Sweat like, you know, Josh, this is your room. Yeah, that was interesting, I thought. And now, and now it's Nolan's room. You know, he was pretty clear about that. But how he really tried to take the time to enjoy this year in the locker room off the field. He, yeah, he joked that, like, he made reference to the comments that he made about A.J. Brown and J. This was a very funny line.

Because he's like, I don't have to, you know, I'm looking forward to not saying stuff and then getting in trouble for it. Yeah, it's like, oh, man, like so many times I've had to just turn off. but not be able to watch TV all week because of something I said. Yeah. I picked up. And you have said that Prenagram was one of those guys who I don't want to say you can get him to say anything. But like, he would agree with the premise. Yeah, exactly.

He's basically, he's a good lesson in your yes and. He's always going to yes and basically any question. Yeah. He would just keep rolling. Yeah. So, BG, I mean, you know, Aaron Rogers is a loser, right? Oh, yeah, just whatever you want. We have them.

All right. Ladies and gentlemen, part of Brandon Graham's speech today was thanking the people who helped him early in his career and sort of showed him the way. And chief among those was Trent Cole who joins us now. Trent, how you doing? Good to see you. I'm doing great. Doing great, guys. I'm glad to be on here with you guys. Thank you so much for taking the time. What do you remember about, you know, young Brandon Graham and him talking about the lows that he was going through early in his career and some of the, the things that you were able to impart upon to him?

I mean, when he went through his career, it's the same things that we went, we went through. I mean, as players, I could probably speak for a lot of other guys. And, you know, it's just like said, we just admire and we love him. And we're just very, very proud of what he has accomplished and who he's became is what he's done for the city of Philly. I mean, he's led him to a Super Bowl. I mean, this guy's a legend and like I said, he just

was very, very proud of what he's accomplished. We've heard on this show, Viti Hurry, talking about like the role you play in those young D-Ns or those young edge rushers back when he was coming into the league. You obviously Brandon spoke about it

quite a bit today. What did you do behind the scenes? What kind of whether it was wisdom, whether it was imparting professionalism? What were you doing behind the scenes for Brandon Graham to help him during, as he framed it today, a really difficult part in his career when he was viewed as a bust,

when he was trying to deal with all the negativity for such a positive guy. You know, it's just flat up being a teammate, you know, being a leader, and being a brother. And, you know, we all going to go through some highs and lows and stuff. And as a unit, you know, as a unit, you know, you're supposed to,

you're only good is the guy next to you. And, you know, we took care of each other. You know, Brandon has got a little part of that, got a little bit of part of that old school, you know. And what we did, we always stuck together. And one thing we did is we did things, you know, saying, just off the field, it kept us together. You know what I played a big role in a lot of things, man, because as a player, you do go through, like I said, He started with some highs and lows, man. And it's very stressful.

And because, you know, you want to be part of team. You want to, there's things that you want to accomplish. And then there's, there's bumps in the road. And you just got to just get over them and keep moving. And that's what Brandon did, man. And just, I mean, you got to be there, man. It's just a no. I've nobody.

There's a lot of things that I know that he's went through and got better. and got itself to where he can keep moving forward, man, because it's just, like I said, there's a lot of, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of, it's a lot of stress in this game, you know, and people need to know that. And like I said, it's just, it's proud of, just very, very, very proud of Brandon, man. Trent, you know, BG makes it 15 years,

the most games played in franchise history. But I do think we need to say, for the record, he never did catch you for second on the all-time. sacklist for the eagles. You still have that over him, which is nice. But I want to ask you sort of one thing we've talked about with Vinny is like the, the connectiveness between the eras and the wisdom and the stuff that you imparted upon BG and Vinny, that then gets imparted to guys like Nolan Smith and Jalick's Hunt. Do you feel that when you're watching this team from a distance? Do you see sort of the connectivity between those things that you try to tell

them and now they're trying to do on the field today? Yeah, you know, I'm a, I'm a former player and I'm not in there. But I trust you guys, I can see. You know what I said? I could see. I could see he was in there. He was, I could see he was a force in there. And them guys were looking up to him and they admire that guy.

And I'm not surprised by that. That's Brandon. Brandon's a hell of a guy. I mean, a great guy. And he's always been like that. He's been like this day one he came in. And he was just, I'm just very, very proud of what he's become because when he came in, I mean, I already knew when I first saw him

start out in practice, I was like, man, this guy's going to be a force. He's the next guy up. That's the next guy. You know what I'm saying? And I did what I was supposed to do. I was supposed to do like Hugh Douglas and Jerome McDougal and the rest of the guys did for me. They helped me out. They did whatever they can. It helped me out if I was hurting in something or I wasn't doing well on this or I could be better at this. They spoke up and voiced their opinion. And what I did was the biggest thing that I could tell you that I did was listen. And that was one of the things in Brandon, he listened.

And I could talk about the rest of the guys. They listen. And it's very proud of just like I said, everything this man is accomplished, man. I mean, it's on and off the field. You know, saying this guy, he's a legend, guys. He's a legend, and he's a forever eagle. And, like I said, I think there's going to be more great things that's going to come from him. What's your best memory of Brandon Graham as a player and as a teammate?

I can say this. I got to say he was the strongest. He was the strongest. And the man, he could talk some crap out there on the field, man. It's like, anybody talking crap? It's going to be Brandon. And I can say it's just the kindness and the relentlessness. And just kind of remind me myself to just want to get after every play, he wanted it.

He had it. He had it in him. He was saying he wanted it every single play. He wanted to go win. And he was going to do it as a team. What does it mean to you, Trent, that he singled you out in his retirement speech today? like said just like I said

just I'm just glad that I was the impact you know then like he was the impact to other players like he was the like he's the impact to other players you know the other players just going to talk about him you know what it's their time come but and that's what it's about man

just leaving you know leaving a legacy or leaving an impact on guys and and this is all part of the the game of this of this sport you know just when it's time when it's your time and, you know, you want to leave something and because, you know, you care

because you guys, you look at them guys as your brothers, your teammates, you know what I'm saying? And you wanted to lead them in the right direction. So, like I said, it's awesome that he's, that he, you know, I just got off a flight here. And like I said, I didn't get to see the speech. I've just literally just jumped on this show with you guys. Love that.

And I'm going to go see. I'm going to go check it out. But I got a lot of text messages and stuff. everything that he's singing on me out and everything. And, but the thing is, though, that just tells, you know, I'm just, I don't really need to go watch it. I mean, I'm just glad that, you know what I'm saying? I left the impact there, you know what I'm saying, in that franchise, and especially on

Brandon. And Brandon has, I know, I know Brandon, Brandon did the same thing. He's going to do the same thing. And, you know, like I said, why, I mean, you got to admire this guy. This man was, he was doing stuff. I mean, he was a great leader and a player on me. the field and off the field. So you got to admire this guys.

I'm talking to the young ones. Everybody watched this to the young ones. He was saying, admire that man. That man, he's, you know what I'm saying? He's left something to you guys, to the guys that's there left on the field of the Eagles. He's left something for you guys. And like I said, I mean, it's just, I can't be so much proud that, you know, saying that he said that when I saw some short reels, I guess,

that he has no regrets and that's what's about. Last thing, Trent, the people in the comments are live viewers. They're saying, you look great. I just, I need to ask, BG retires. There's a spot open on the edge. No. You got one more hearing. Never.

Nope. No. If you know, we, A, E. No. It's not happening. What is that? What is our advice? I probably could go play.

I probably could go out there to play. I'll be blessed. Come on. I've been blessed. I've been blessed. I ain't like to you. I've been blessed about the venue. I'm feeling great right now.

My body's really good. I don't have no pains or nothing. And I've had, I mean, I beat my body up, you know. But the thing is, I'm very blessed to build the, to keep moving and doing them doing now at this present time. And just, you know, I hear living and, you know, just moving to this next chapter in my life here, which Brandon's going to do.

And like I said, there's a lot of great things. It's just going to even happen then and it's going to happen now for them. Well, that is my last question for you, Trent, is you know, you gave him advice once upon a time on what it was going to be like to be a pro. Now that you have been through life as a retired football player, what would you tell BG about the next stage of his life? Oh, there's a lot ahead of him. And there's a lot of great things that's going to happen ahead of him because the person who he is, you know what I'm saying? You know, I've always tell people, man, just don't change. You say, don't change.

and just be who you are, you know, and like I said, it's a lot of doors that's going to open up for him. He saw doors that opened up for him when he's playing football. Wait until he gets done playing football. There's going to be a lot of doors that's going to open up for him. And I'm excited to see what's ahead of me. Eagles legend, Trent, Cole. Trent, thank you so much for taking the time.

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Yeah, it was good catching up with Trent. Absolutely. Good perspective. I did want to ask you. Trent was out of town, obviously. He couldn't be there, but there were some notable Eagles there. Fletcher Cox was there. Jalen Hertz was there.

What did you make of like the support? You and Jalen were sort of sitting next to each other. It was an little interesting little couple. Well, no, the couple was Jalen and his fiance right next to him. Yeah. But it was nice to see Jail. But on his other side was Zach Berman. Well, there was a receipt in between us.

Well, right? But that was, I said hello. And we didn't really chat. I asked him, I did ask. Maybe the, maybe the, I feel like Sequin might be starting to get jealous about your relationship. I asked Jalen, though. I asked him, was it important for you to be here? And he said he wouldn't miss it for the world.

like a direct quote he wouldn't miss it for the world what i mean it's kind of a platitude like it's nice i'm glad he was there okay yeah i mean i don't know that there's like that's like a deep insight i don't know i actually think you know look uh i don't know i mean jellan is around the country this time of year um i don't know if he's just naturally in the facility every day during March, like if you'd be here March 18 otherwise. My understanding is there, his fiance and Brandon's wife are very close.

They are very close. Yeah, they are very close. I can say this now, is that, do you remember the Cincinnati game when I was talking about, there were people on my flight who were trying to get to that game who were more important than me?

The two people were Brandon Graham and Jay one Hertz is fiance. I'm sorry, Brandon Graham's wife, on Carlene and Jalen Hertz's fiance Brie were on that plane. Oh, that's funny. Yes. So were they also at your brother's wedding? No, they were not at my brother's wedding.

Yeah. Unfortunately. But, no, but they were, I think you asked, did I see anyone on the plane that I knew? And I was like, a matter of fact. Yeah. That's funny. Yeah, they were on that flight. Yeah.

But Jowen wanted to get a picture with Brandon up up there on stage, held the 15. for 15 years. Yeah, they're both going Canadian tuxedo. What do you make of that? Well, they're going denim. Yeah, denim's in right now. It could be a message they're sending. What's the message they're sending?

Just support for Canada? The fine message, I love Canada. I would support Canada every day and twice on Sunday. But, yeah, no, that's actually in right now. Usually you're working on Sunday. Yeah, but denim's in right now. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

Yes. You're up on, you're always up on, What's in fashion-wise? Yeah, denim is in right now. Yeah. Okay, what else is in? Browns are in. Browns?

Like, that shit, yeah, the browns, like, beige's, yeah, that color scheme's in right now. Okay. What about brown denim? I don't know about brown denim, but I saw an article about this recently, so.

So do you think it was a choice by- I get alerts on my phone from Apple News Plus, and yeah so I'll see so there'll be there's I get alerts from like the Wall Street Journal and GQ and I'll click on and sometimes it'll be like different things that are in right now so do you think if the two things that are in right now are Brown and Denham that Jalen Hertz going with denim means he's taking a shot at AJ Brown no not at all not at all no you don't think that this is a sign of contentiousness

in their relationship. No, not at all. Not at all. Okay. You know, one thing we, one thing we didn't talk about on yesterday's show. I should have answered when you asked about the Canadian tuxedo. I should just kept rolling. That's an example that I can, that's something I can learn.

Well, there was another bit of news yesterday, Zach. You saw the guys who were up there with Brandon Graham today and you saw the, you know, the tent pole guys up on the stage, Brandon Graham, Fletcher Cox, and Lane Johnson. Lane Johnson signed an extension yesterday. He did. through 2027. And so this could mean that he plays three more seasons. And I had kind of been thinking two more years for Lane.

Now he's under contract for three more years. I do know from conversations with Lane about this is that he's very much thinking about his legacy. He feels great. He wants to play football. I actually, I think I don't want to speak for Lane. I think there is a part of Lane that's, I don't want to say worried about life after football, but it's cognizant that life after football is a lot different. And he values the locker room.

He's still playing in an exceedingly high level. He keeps himself in really good shape. And so three more years, I think that's interesting, too, from the Eagles perspective, you know, one of the things when the Eagles drafted Lane, the plan was for Lane to move over to left tackle. And they thought at the time, like Jason Peters might have like two to three years. And Jason Peters played for nearly another decade.

And I think I have spoken, to Lane about like he is he's very open with the Eagles about his time frame and he's spoken to them about other you know offensive tackles in the draft but I think too this contract could maybe provide the Eagles clarity that they don't need to go searching for a potential Lane Johnson replacement right now maybe that's something like if the opportunity's there if there's a tackle on the board that they really like to do it but that this this could be something that they tackle, so to speak, next off season, as opposed to this off season,

if you're expecting Lane to play two to three more years? I actually kind of think that that's like a misdirect. I think they are urgently hoping to find Lane Johnson's replacement, given everything that they have ever done in terms of replacing those 10 whole guys along

the line of scrimmage and planning ahead of time. Lane Johnson may be able to play a few more seasons, but he is also 34 years old. Yeah. Right? Like, there's a, you know, the older you get, the more likely you are to get injured. That's, that's just an NFL truism. And so I think, I think they are, I think if, if Howie Roseman could add one thing to the roster right now, big picture, I think it would be Lane Johnson's replacement.

You think so? Yes. Wow. Okay. I don't know if I agree with that. I think he's, he's always thinking about that. I think how he, I know how he takes particular pride in the fact that they went from Fletcher Cox to Jalen Carter from Jason Kelsey to Cam Juergens, right? And the Cam Jurgens was picked two years ago, right? Right. He had this. So I, yeah, I think that Howley does want that for sure.

I also don't think how he wants to force it either. I think that was, of course, no, because, and I frame it this way, because I think one of the lessons from the Andre Dillard pick was they were really fixated on that, now they wanted to de-leiming in that draft, but they, they, when Dillard was there, they're like, we can get ahead of this now. I left tackle. And it may not have been the right player. So I think that you really have to believe in the player that the player can do it.

I think if there's... I think their lesson from the Dillard pick is that that was not a pleasure they did enough work on. True. That's true. Yeah. I think that's the takeaway for them. Yeah.

But yeah, I think if they have done work and there is an equally graded tackle and edge on the board for them, I think they would take the tackle at 32 this year. I actually, yeah, I would agree with that too. Okay. Yeah. So we don't really disagree. No, but I don't think it's like their priority going into this draft is finding Lee Johnson's replacement. Well, yeah, I don't think neither do I.

I don't think it's, I don't think it's by hook or by crook. Sure. I think ideally that would be their ideal solution. Sure. Okay. Okay. And we'll hear from Fran. Make sure, by the way, if I can make sure you are a diehard and you're checking

Fran's draft guide, it's constantly getting updated. we are going to have Eagles mock draft appearing on our YouTube channel later this week that I will do we'll have an Eagles mock draft on online so we have draft coverage out of the gym coming up. Here is my question for you.

The current Eagles roster who's going to be the Brandon Graham? Who will be the last player standing from the players on the current roster whenever, you know, eight years from now, whatever it is? who's going to be here the longest on the roster? Yeah, good question.

I mean, I have to look at the line of scrimmage because those players age the best, I feel like, right, as opposed to speed guys. And so my instinct would be to go Cam Juergens. But I don't know if I would like, you know, pound the table on that. If Jordan Milo was a bit younger, I would say him, you know what, I'll probably go jailing Carter,

just because Probably the right. You know, I think Jalen Carter is going to be like a force for a long time in this league. And yeah, yeah. So I guess I would go Jalen Carter right now. I think Jalen Carter probably would be

have to be listed as the favorite. I think the two guys who I like just pure speculation and you know cut this in 15 years and see how it looks. I'm going Jailen. Felix Hunt for the point you said about about line of scrimmage.

Yeah. I think he has like the comportment that they would like to keep around for a long time. I think he brings some of that like positive energy that BG did. I think Nolan Smith has it too. This is an unfair thing to say, but I feel like Nolan Smith's,

I don't know if his body is built to last 10 years. The other guy I kind of think you talk about what age is well. I think if I had to pick one guy, it might be Cooper DeGine. Interesting. Because I think he can age gracefully to a different position. Like, you know, you could bump him to safety, and he's still bringing a lot of the same stuff.

And safeties could play until, you know, their mid-30s. Those are the two guys who come to mind for me. I have a complete wallet card for you. Okay. Lock in Vakalahi. No. Braden man. No way.

Okay. I'm just saying. Honestly. I could make a case for Tanner McKee. But I'm saying punters, like you can keep the same punter for a decade plus. Yeah. Right? You don't have to worry about injury risk.

He's young. He's good at his position. So maybe Braden Mann. How come either of us said Jailen Hertz? Maybe Jailen Hertz. Now quarterback's age well. Yeah. That's a good point.

Maybe Jailen hurts. Who do you think? Let us only. chat. Comment down below the video. Who you think is going to be the last Eagle standing, the Brennan Graham of this current roster. Let's check out the super chats that we have. Stephen Lee. BG. survived Juan Castillo and Billy Davis. I know that's right. And Jerry has an arrow and I mean, Juan Castillo, yeah, but

man. And Jim Washburn. And Jim Washburn. It is so crazy that you know, he had all of this acrimony with Jim Washburn earlier in his career and then Jim Washburn's son becomes his position coach and they're like buddy buddy. He's calling Jeremiah up to the stage.

What a crazy circle of life in the NFL. You're right. David says from the Super Bowl 52 press box, what was your expectation when New England got the ball back and your immediate reaction to BG's strip sack in that moment? You want me to go first? Sure.

Honestly, my thought was, can they get the ball back with enough time to win the game? Can they let them score? Yeah, because I thought the Patriots were going to go down and score, right? That was my honest thought at the time. When the strip sack happened, I thought, oh, my goodness, the Philadelphia Eagles are going to win the Super Bowl. And because I was writing the game story for the Philadelphia Inquirer, and I've talked about this when I was growing up. up my dad used to take me to Riches Deli or Riches Other Place, rather.

He had a deli and he had it the other place. It was called Rich's Other Place. And we used to go for breakfast there. And I remember seeing the Philadelphia Inquirer cover from when the Phillies won the World Series, I believe in 80. And I was like, you know, so that whole week I'm thinking I'm documenting history. I'm documenting history. And then I had a word document up if Eagles win, a word document if Eagles lose.

And I just went to the if Eagles win once Brandon Graham had that strip sack. Do you remember your lead? I do. It was to the ilk of like this is this is what, you know, this is what they'll be talking about for generations. I mean, I haven't hung up in my office at home. But there was, yeah, it was essentially that. Okay.

Yeah, I mean, I don't remember, I don't think we've, remembered initially that it was exactly what Sheel had predicted, as I was sitting next to Sheel during that game, his famous prediction, but I think eventually we got around to it. Gudos to him. Nikki loves music with the Super Chat, says,

can Jordan Davis become the next BG, drafted ahead of a stud safety, similarly charming personality? I like that. Okay, yeah. Yeah, maybe so. Here you go, by the way. This night will be remembered for decades in Philadelphia,

when old friends reminisce about where they were on February 4th, 2018, and parents tell their children about the moment the Eagles won their first Super Bowl. They'll remember when Doug Peterson called the trick play at the goal line, when Zach Earch dove into the end zone in the fourth quarter, when Brandon Graham stripped Tom Brady of the ball,

and when the greatest dynasty in NFL history fell to an improbable champion from Philadelphia. Nice. Thank you. No mention of Derek Barnett, obviously. Obviously, yes. Ryan Madden with the Super Chat. We keep talking about trying to find Lane's replacement in the first, but should they be trying to find a jewel later like Jordan Milata since they have time? Yeah, Ryan, I would say no.

Yeah, I think similar to what we were saying yesterday about the Zach Bond thing, you can't count on finding a franchise left tackle in the seventh round. It's, I mean, you know, Jordan Milata is like a once, you know, a once in a million, pardon the cliche, but that just doesn't happen. And we talked about it a number of times. credit to the Eagles, credit to Jeff Stowland, but mostly credit to Jordan Milata, because the way he's wired, the way he works,

he has physical gifts, but he put it all together. So, no, I don't think that will be, I think this will be a top of the draft type thing. In fact, I actually have this spreadsheet up in front of me. So Jordan Milada has not yet made an initial Pro Bowl team. He has, I see it, I was going to finish. I have a couple seconds to finish. We're going to overtime.

Check it out on all phtly.com. So Jordan Milana has not officially gotten there, but there have only been two Pro Bowl left tackles if you would count Jordan Milata, who have been drafted after the fourth round over the past 13 years, and Trent Brown is the other one. Is this going to be a bucket, Connell, that you write?

This is just the general draft outliers that will be involved in our show on Thursday. I like that with Rand Duffie. So what's your Brandon Graham memory? football or non-football? I think my memories of Brandon Graham are probably the initial press conference. I remember very well. That was still my first calendar year working for the team.

I remember because Rachel was still living in Japan that year. She did a year teaching English abroad. And so she was able to watch the Philadelphia Eagles.com live stream as just a way of keeping touch. just tells you how much has changed in 15 years. We've got our third kid coming in a month. I think, sure. I think just the general, like the Wolfstend conversations with him,

the cackles, the Hamily, of course. Shout out to Corey Graham. Shout out to Justin Hamilton. And who was the other one? Nigel Bratham. Nigel Bratham, of course. Those were always fun. He was always game to talk.

And then, yeah, just like the smile on his face. Yeah. And then the things we talked about on the field. I mean, the Brady sack, obviously. I do like his run defense on the backside is something that was just so reliable. Yeah. I think I will stand by the earlier conversation. I think potentially the greatest eagle of all time.

Yeah, I think the Brady sack, obviously, from a football perspective, that's an obvious answer. I think, too, you mentioned it, that, that Rams game. jumps out to me and like he was playing so well and you know standing by his locker saying it's done but so from a football perspective uh the way he endured uh i i i joined the beat in 2012 and he was he was not at you know he he was during the kind of bust stage of his career and i remember having a long conversation with him about it in 2015 when he went back uh the play against the Lions back in Detroit before Thanksgiving, or maybe it was the 16th season, week three, either one. Yeah, and he gave me a good recommendation for a cony dog.

Not a big cony dog guy, but they were good. And then off the field, like I mentioned, you know, what jumps out to me is like the way that he always makes my son feel like a million dollars when he sees him, right? and there's been a few different interactions, you know, whether it's at Hopes Cookies, at the flag football games, at different, there was something recently where I wasn't there and he was there and he just, he made my son feel amazing, right? So, you know, you don't, you make sure you don't cloud your objectivity, but as a father, It's something I appreciate it. And as I said earlier,

like Brandon recognized that every interaction he has with someone, especially kids, every interaction, like he's making their day. And I can tell you, I got a text from my son during the press conference. Like, can you believe Brandon Grant retired?

And he wanted to know, like, every detail about it. So that's what jumps out to me. That's great. I should actually, I should add that the, the day,

the game that I saw, spent with his family watching that game in their box, the memory of them like all getting back together then on the field after the game and him just like unloading. Yeah. It was really, that was special. My favorite anecdote from that story, I'll let you say it, but it was the elevator. Can you share that? Oh, they took, yeah, they took an elevator up to Jeffrey's suite.

And then she showed them there's a framed picture of the sack of Tom Brady. And it's like, you know, your dad did that. Yeah. Like that's, you know, it's very cool. Yeah. My favorite part of that was when they get on the field. In that game, remember, Josh Sweat had gotten injured, hurt his neck. Yep.

And so Brandon Graham at, you know, 32 or whatever was, had to play many more snaps than he had been playing. And so after the game on the field, he was like, I am tired. It was not used to playing that. There many snaps at that point. It was very funny. All right. Well, that'll do it for this episode of the P.

The H.L.Y.E.E.O.E.E. his podcast. Shout out to Brandon Graham. One of the best to ever do it. A pleasure for both of us to cover him over the course of his career. I think between the two of us, we've been there for every one of his games. That's correct. So there you go. A lot of fun covering Brandon Graham. And I'm sure that the people in the chat and in the comments will echo that sentiment. Thank you to Trent Cole and Fran Duffy for taking the time to reminisce as well. We will be back with you tomorrow at 2 o'clock. Zach and myself, back in the saddle.

Plenty to talk about as the Eagles off season rolls on. But for all of us here, we thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. Thank you, Julia. And as always, the Brandon Graham. We love you.