PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Finding the next Zack Baun: Can Kelee Ringo or Kenyon Green be this year’s Eagles surprise?

Episode Date: March 17, 2025

Dare to dream. A year after the Eagles saw players like Zack Baun, Mekhi Becton, Nolan Smith and Saquon Barkley exceeded expectations, we’re wondering what the upside is for players like Kelee Ringo, Kenyon Green, Adoree’ Jackson, Trevor Keegan and more. Plus, how might Howie Roseman have approached free agency if he wasn’t able to re-sign Zack Baun? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Top of the morning, everybody, and welcome to the P. H.L.Y. Eagles podcast on a Monday. Oh, Wolf, Zach Berman. Ready to talk about the birds. Zach, how was your weekend? It's a nice weekend. Happy St. Patrick's Day. You're wearing green, are you? By chance, yes. So are you. Is this your St. Paddy's Day? Maybe this green tea right here is my lucky tea.

Are you a St. Paddy's Day guy? No, not really. No. How are you? Have you ever done Aaron Express? I have never done Aaron Express. How about you? Have you, Julia?

Okay. I haven't done it, but I've been like walking around during Aaron Express. It is a force of, it's a force of nature, right? Yeah, it's a reason to leave the city, frankly. Well, I used to live in Hoboken. It's pretty big up there too. And so I recall that well. But, no, I always, when St. Patty's Day corresponds with the NCAA tournament,

Yeah. I actually don't love that because... No, because the bars are crowded. Yes, I used to... You don't want that. It was like the... It was always the week after free agency or so. And when NCAA 21st was going on,

I was at the Inquirer. I didn't have a regular show, right? So I would take that afternoon off and go to the bar and just watch all the games. It was awesome. But then when it overlaps with St. Patrick's Day... You don't want that. Yeah, you're not there to watch the games.

Yeah, exactly. You want... people who are sweating out the five and a half point dog in the seven 10 game, right? Yeah. There you go. We got a fun show today. And by the way, yes, we do have four hands here today, but not the original plan we had. We will get back to that another time.

I did make a little rain check. So we look forward to doing that down the line. But I like the conceit of today's show, Zach. And what we want to do, it's a time to be optimistic. It's a time to dream as you look at the Seagull's roster. And we have like six different categories of players from the 2012. 24 team and we want to just throw some darts. You know, we're not holding ourselves to these opinions, but let's dream.

Who are players on this team who could make leaps over the course of the next calendar year? We've got six topics or six levels, the Zach Bond guy, who could become a household name to NFL fans across the league and turn it to a superstar. We've got the Milton Williams. Who could be somebody who earns a big payday goes from rotational player to borderline star? We've got the Mackay Beckton, who could be someone who resurrects their career, you know, comes in and gets in with the Eagles and proves that they are a capable starter. We've got the Nicopi Dean slash Nolan Smith Lane, which is homegrown players who take a jump, maybe rewrite the early story of their career. We've got the Morrow Ajuma Lane, which is who's a young guy who could become a part of the rotation and earn himself sort of being part of the team's plans moving forward.

And then finally the Orrin Burke's level, which is just who could come in from the veteran scrap heap and be a capable replacement when called upon. It should be fun. I really like this. And we should preface this by saying we're not projecting someone becomes like a first team of pro. No, this is. Yeah. We're not holding ourselves anything here. Just, you know, as you in your mind's eye dream about next season, who could make these kinds of leaps?

Because a year ago, certainly nobody would have seen Zach Bond. Exactly. You know, nobody would have seen Oren Berks. I guess maybe Oren Berks, you could. Howie said he was the best third linebacker in the NFL. Mackay Beckton at right bar. Yeah, of course. All of these things are very unexpected.

And we also acknowledge that they might add before the draft, they might add after the draft. So these opinions could evolve. These are the opinions as of St. Patrick's Day, March 17th. There you go. There you go. They got me back into it. Aurora McElroy winning the players championship on St. Patty's Day.

How much could be better than that. Did you watch that? I did this morning, yes. How was it? Not that exciting, actually. Undramatic. JJ Spawn just blew up. There you go.

How was your weekend of writing? Productive. My man. Very productive. I realized, like, I love my kids more than anything. But I see how I was so productive, how someone I was so much more productive in my 20s, when there's no, like, birthday party you have to go to or baseball. game and you can just work all day.

It is, it's, yeah, I, you're so much more productive that way. I wouldn't choose that over what I have now, but. I mean, the way you're talking. No, like the love in your voice as you say. I love my voice, but I'm saying, but the. The pining that you have. If you need to get work done for an untethered life. No, if you need to get work done, having a clear schedule and no demands on, on that,

on that schedule makes it more. effective to get work done. So it was nice. I was able to do that. But I was excited for two o'clock today to do the show. I think I'm going to leave that one along. Okay. I say that lovingly. Multiple people in the chat also glomming onto, I love my kids, but. I love my kids, period, new sentence. How about that? It is true because, you know, I remember someone, I had a professor growing up who said that if you use but in a sentence, it negates everything that comes before.

Like, it takes away everything that comes before it. So I love my kids, period. I like your butt. I did not see it going there. Anyways, it was a productive weekend. How was your weekend? Preparing for the baby. It was good.

Yeah, we got some stuff done. What was the most effective thing you got done? The most effective thing? I mean, installing the car seat. Yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one. Those are heavier than people think. Yeah.

Oh, I guess, yeah. I mean, maybe that was before you started doing the F-45. No, it's more, when you have to, when you're flying and if you have to bring the car seats with you, those things are. Yeah, it can wear on you a little bit. Yeah. Lugging that through the airport. Yeah. Okay.

We have a super chat early on from Paper Monocrat who says Peckness Migrate, Autocracy, Cleptocracy, oligarchy. I'll defer to you here. I guess, I mean, geez, I guess I'm going to migrate. Like, what is a peck in this context, do you think? Like one four-year cycle? One lifetime. That's why I'm staying away for this one. Yeah.

I guess I'm going to migrate autocracy. I don't know. I don't have a good one here. Yeah. I would just choose. I'd like to migrate them all. I would just choose democracy. Well, most people didn't.

All right, this is good on. Okay. I want to ask you, before we get into this part of the exercise, I want to ask you one hypothetical first as we think about this. And that is, let's say, and I don't think the Eagles ever wanted it to get to this point, and that's why they were willing to go up to $17 million for Zach Bonn. But let's say Zach Bonn told the Eagles, listen, I loved my time here. I would love to come back if it works,

but I got to get to the market. I got to see what the league shows me at. I want to just see. And let's say someone blows them out of the water five minutes into free agency and offers him $20 million a year. What do you think free agency would have looked like for the Eagles

if they had not brought Zach Bond back? Yeah, it's a great question. My guess is they're paying for an edge rusher. Well, the first thing I think they do was try to keep Milton Williams in that case, but I don't think they get up to 20s. $26 million.

Right. And my guess is, is Milton knew going into free agency that number was going to be north of 20. And I don't think the Eagles were going to go there for Mill. So then I think they would have pivoted to an edge rusher. If I had to say, based on the contracts dispensed, Khalil Mack would jump out to me. But if they're playing the compic game, you're probably looking at a guy who's been cut elsewhere.

But if Vaughn leaves, you don't have, you have, that's then five players leaving that are qualifying compics. So, I mean, maybe it means they pay for Isaiah Rogers instead or something. Yeah. And then add somebody else. But you don't have to play. You don't have to preserve all. You can't preserve all five.

You only can get four. Exactly. And so there's room to have one guy who qualified. Yeah. So my guess is... I do think they were interested in Khalil Mack, but he signed before for agency, you know, opened. But if, if Bond's hitting the market, then maybe they can signal to Khalil Max agent. Of course, signal.

Just stick around a bit. Sure would be nice if you made it. Yeah. Yeah. So that is my guess, a player. Like, I think they would spend it on an edge rusher. I don't think they would. I don't think they would have spent more on Mackay Beckton

for the reason being that I didn't think they were going to have five guards. I hope you all watched our emergency show on Saturday or listened to it. I don't think they were going to have five offensive linemen with eight-digit contracts. I don't think they would have paid, as we discussed, turned around and paid a linebacker, $12 million. If there's a safety, you know, you were big on Moerig, who signed with the Panthers. but I think they would have gone with an edge rusher

and I think Khalil Mack probably would have been the fit. Now, for me, I would say just sign Azizo Jalari. He's the guy who going into this, I said I would like clearly there's a difference in the way teams are valuing him and what he wants for himself if he's still on the market on March 17th. I'm trying to think of how they would have spent that money in a different way. I think maybe it is like you've signed that Isaiah Rogers deal. Maybe you bring back Orrin Burks.

and then you still have room to add somebody like an OJolari or whoever else. Do you think Von Miller's washed at this point? Probably, but that doesn't mean that they wouldn't be worth taking a look. He's someone who also has played under Fangio. I don't know if he had the same relationship with Fangio that Cleo Mac did per se, but he's still lingering on the market

and he fits that profile of a win now move he's someone who would not count against the compact form. Well, I'm surprised that hasn't been one that there's been more, you know, buzz about. Yeah. I mean, do you think that O'Jolari is now going to sign for like, you know, like a one-year, $7 million deal and hit the market again next year? So it looks like the other thing he can do. And I think more players should do what Mackay Beckton did last year. If you're confident that you're going to be signed, okay, then wait until after the draft because,

one thing that you don't want if you're signing one of those one-year deals is to be drafted over, right? Is if they take an edge rush your first round and then that cuts into your playing time, when we get the chance to speak to Harrison Bryant, I am curious, when he signed

with the Raiders last year, he didn't know they were going to take you know Brock Bowers and then he becomes the number three tight end. So it changes it just changes the depth chart. So if unless you feel like you're entrenched as a top two, top three guy, wait until after the draft see what depth charts look like then.

Easier for me to say when I'm not. Sure. That makes sense if there is not a lot of variance in like what you're being offered because the flip side to wait until after the draft is all of a sudden there are fewer suitors. Absolutely. Right. There will be teams who draft someone and then are no longer interested. And so the price might not be worth it.

But if you are looking for a one year, prove a deal, get back in the market, that does make some sense. And then also we should note that the contracts that have gone out to, Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, I don't want to say reinforces, but it's what we discussed last year when they signed Devante and N.J. Brown. Prices are not going down for these players. It's better to be first to the market than react to the market. It befuddles me that the Dallas Cowboys still have not signed, still have not signed Micah Parsons. And so I think that this is constructive to know for, or instructive, I should, I should probably say. for Cam Juergens

and then eventually Jalen Carter. My guess is Jalen Carter the minute they're able to sign him, they're going to try to sign him. On that front, and what we have talked about a lot over the course of the past week is the Eagles are saving cash. That's part of the C.J. Gardner-Johnson trade

so that they can use that money for the cap room next year to extend guys like Jalen Carter. And I think the framing is a little bit. This is their way of making sure that they remain competitive every year for the next three or four years, right? Because also getting the compics are going to help reinforce that

as opposed to sort of pushing your chips all in with this Super Bowl roster for next season and then having to rebuild a little bit in 27, 28. Do you think that's the right decision? Is that what you would do if you were the general manager? I would not go all in for next season. Like would you trade, let's say bringing back guys like C.J. Gardner Johnson and Dallas Goddard

and keeping this court together gives you a 20% chance of winning the Super Bowl which is still very optimistic. But it means that in 27 and 28, you're down to like 2%. Or would you rather have a 10% chance every year? Yeah, well, I mean, I would rather have a 10% chance every year. But CJ's the one,

and as I was watching back Friday show, I probably should have been more forceful about that. CJ is the move they made that I would not have made if it was entirely motivated by cash, right? And again, it's easy to spend someone else's money. I get that. Number one. And number two, I don't know everything about if there was personality dynamics at play here or if there was the demand for a new deal.

But I think when the move that surprised me last week was not losing Milton or losing sweat or losing Beckton, it was trading CJ. And that's the one that I probably would have done differently. But as I look at it, no, I want to, I've said this about Howie. Always be building, right? Build, build, build. And you have your core in place. But I would, your chances of winning a Super Bowl,

even when you think you have a loaded roster, I mean, the odds are far more in favor of you not winning than you winning. So I would try to have a sustainable roster that when things break right, injuries, personnel moves, go get it. I also don't like the idea of, and we discussed this, whether you call it sentimentality, whether you call it paying for optimum performance, like expecting what the best outcomes were the year before to carry over to the following year. Like, chances are Zach Bonn, well, I mean, Zach Bonn might be different. But, you know, Sequin Barclay probably won't have the year last year, or the year next year that he had last year. And you go on down the list, I mean, whether it was health, whether it was just players playing outstanding.

We've seen this in the past is that there's variance year to year. And I wouldn't just just pay for what I just saw expecting that result to duplicate. I think that's right. I think there are ways in which it doesn't have to necessarily be both things where, like, you can. could move on from those players, but also add from the outside while still spending money and forfeiting some flexibility in 27, 28. But yeah, it is, it is, it is, uh, it is less exciting at this stage of the off season to be responsible. Yes, you're right. Now, to your point, though, there's a way of being responsible, but also being creative. Like, you know, and everyone has a number.

I get that. If you reflect back on the 2023 off season, if the Eagles did not bring James Bradbury back, and had they signed Zach Allen, things would look different, right? Like, now you don't know what the reverberations would be from that. Point being, though. Right, of course.

Like, Zach Allen would have been a much better signing, but then there's a chance maybe they don't draft Jalen Carter, right? Yeah, so that's the thing. You don't know the sliding doors part of it. But my point is, is you can operate, your Super Bowl off seasons, the way you do when you're trying to build a Super Bowl team, which is like go out and try to bring talent in from elsewhere

and not just being devoted to the players you just had. And I respect how he's thinking that way because in hindsight that James Bradbury contract did not work out. The Alshan Jeffrey contract did not work out. And so there moves you make sometimes where you pay guys based on the performance they've had, and they fall off the cliff quickly. All right.

Before we get to our ad break, I want to remind you that we have, a fun event for diehards coming up next Tuesday night, March 25th. The Duffman himself. Fran Duffy is going to do a little tape session. He's going to do some guys with you if you come, if you sign up. It's going to be a lot of fun. You get to watch Fran, watch film.

We'll go through some of the free agent additions. And because the free agent additions are probably a little bit less exciting than maybe we were hoping. We'll dip our beaks into the draft as well. So you get to come here, check out the studios, hang with Fran and myself. But Fran's going to really do the work. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Zach knows that I don't work hard.

That's not what I'm saying. He's very much on the record. No, I didn't say that. And so it's a lot of fun. And listen, tickets are going fast. This is limited availability. And we're down to like seven spots left, I believe. So get in now while you still can.

And then there's another one coming up on May 6th as well. And that will be just all. draft guys that we're doing. So that should be a lot of fun. I so respect Fran's dedication to his craft. I was texting him this morning. I'm not going to read the text. I don't want to speak out of turn here, but he's talking about watching these round five guys and making sure that like he has the scouting reports buttoned up. That's awesome. So you get to experience that with Fran. What kind of joy is that? Like I talked about that. Poor Fran though. I mean, imagine how many guys you could watch if he didn't have any kids. I mean, it's probably true. Like there's nothing.

I had a conversation recently, and the question was about balance in your life. Okay? And I said, I don't believe in balance. I believe in tradeoffs. Balance suggests that it's supposed to be 50-50. And it's never 50-50. Tradeoffs, you have to decide what you're willing to trade-off at a given time. There are times in the year when it might be 80-20.

There are times in the year when it might be 60-40, right? or 4060. So, yeah, this is a way of saying that when there are no tradeoffs if there are no kids, it's like you're just working. I think I disagree with that because I think tradeoffs has a negative connotation, whereas balance is about finding the equilibrium. It doesn't necessarily mean 50-50. It's about finding what is right for you.

Well, this is an interesting conversation. I think of balance. I literally think of a, you know, of a balance, right? And so that's why I don't like during work-life balance because it makes it seem like it's supposed to be, you're supposed to have this robust, you know, non-work life. And it's about trade-offs. It's what you're willing to trade off to have what you want.

So that's just the framing that I've always thought of it. Yeah, I don't like looking at it that way. I think tradeoffs makes it sound like you're having to give up a lot. And it has a negative connotation. Whereas balance, I mean, this is the same thing that I just said, it doesn't have to be 50-50. It's about finding your right equilibrium. Just because you're imagining balance as 50-50.

I don't think. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I think. Also, I think there are a lot of ways and what the ideal version of balance goes to is that it is making you, whole on both sides so that if you are, if you are more happy in one part of your life, it's, if you're more happy at home, it's probably making your work better. Sure.

You know, like, yeah, that is the balance. Yeah, but yeah, this is a deep conversation we can get into on a different day. But I, I've always thought, like, I don't believe the two are mutually exclusive, but I think there are times, the way this starts. is, yeah, if I love my kids. Like, I love, there's, they give me more joy than my work. Um, no doubt about that. But I'm saying, I could, I could be far more productive if I didn't have any obligations

outside of work, which was like, I remember when I got hired to cover UVA in Virginia Tech, that was basically the deal. It's like, who can move down the Shardsville, Virginia on three weeks notice? At the time, I had, I had no girlfriend. the extent of my, like, belongings fit in the trunk of my car. It was like, I can move there tomorrow and be fine, you know? Like, just show me where the work is and I will go do it. And I couldn't make that decision at 38 years old, right?

Yeah, that's life. Exactly. I'm sorry, I do, I don't want to linger here. Was the name of the place, Shartsville? Charlottesville. Oh, Charlottesville. Did I not? Can you hear of Charlottesville?

Shartsville too. Yikes. Charlottesville. Charlottesville. Yes. Okay. That's a good. I think that's an okay conversation.

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Who is the one you have here? Yeah, my answer here is Harrison Bryant. Okay. And I bring up Harrison Bryant because I'm not expecting him to be the number one tight end. I think, though, that if something were to happen to whoever the number one tight end is next year, Harrison Bryant can step in three, four games and give you fine serviceable production. Similar, I suppose, what you saw from Grant Calcutera, just maybe looking a little different.

But of the veterans they signed who fit the Orrin-Burke's mold, Harrison Bryant jumps to mind. What do you, if they don't draft a tight end, I mean, I think they probably will. Yeah, then they better keep Dallas Goddard. But let's imagine they move on from Dallas Goddard and they go into next year with Grant Kalka Tatar, Harrison Bryant, Kyle and Granson,

and a sixth round pick at Tite End or an undrafted guy who they give a lot of bonus to. How do you think that works itself out? Do you think Grant Cacterra is the number one? Do you think Harrison Bryant is the number one? Good question. My guess is Calcutter is the number one. Probably anchored to that because he's been here for three years.

But I don't think that's a very good outcome for the Eagles. As we've said, if you cut Dallas Goddard or you trade Dallas Goddard, let's say trade Dallas Goddard, what's your plan there? And your plan, you better have a plan. It can't just be, you know, we can make do with this because we have A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, at the tight end doesn't have that that type of role. No, I think you need to be aggressive. The same way you were when you went out and got Dallas Goddard behind Zach Ertz, the same way you were when you got Dallas Goddard behind Brancelic.

Like you don't have a succession plan here. Figure it out. Figure out what you would do. Now they might argue Grant Calcutterer is better than we're giving credit for. And that well might be the case. I thought he looked good in reserve reps this year, but you can't take for granted how good Dallas Goddard is. Nice.

Yeah. Granted. I see. Well done. I think there's a reason to be... I think there's a reason to be optimistic about Harrison Bryant and dream on it. Why not? I mean, if you're talking yourself into it, he's always been blocked.

Yes. Right? You know, he goes to the Browns when they have in Joku. Then he signs what the Raiders, as you said, and then they draft Brock Bowers when they already had Michael Mayer. Like, it's possible? Yeah. Okay. Who's your answer here?

For me, I'm going to Dory Jackson here. And I think there is some similarity. where your last taste of this player is a bad one. Like, Orrin Berks goes in the Super Bowl a year ago and gets exposed and is a big part of the reason they lost that game. O'Doree Jackson's coming off a bad season for a bad team and dealt with some injuries. But he's also shown that he can be a capable player. And I think it's possible.

If he is the number four corner, let's say the Eagles don't add another corner, he beats out Eli Ricks for the fourth job behind Kiela Ringo. I mean, chances are he's going to get called upon at some point. You can't count on all three starting corners staying healthy. And I think he's, you know, if he's not asked to play 17 games, maybe that means his legs are a little bit younger and fresh, and he can answer the bell. I don't think that's a crazy thing.

It's also a position at cornerback where there was a lot of year-to-year volatility. And so, yeah, I think you could hope for a bump. I like that. I mean, I was considering Jackson. I wonder if Jackson is shot or washed, whatever phrase you want to use there. But I think it certainly makes sense from the profile. Yeah, that he started a lot of games in this league. If something were to happen to a young player in front of him,

you're at least confident that the moment's not too big for Adorae Jackson, similar to Warren Burks. The moment was not too big for Orrin Berks. The other one I considered here is a lower level. Avery Williams, I think he could win that job. He could be the returner. He could be the return man. Okay.

Yeah, it's interesting that the Eagles didn't designate a position for him. They just did punt return or kick returners. Yeah, yeah, because he's, he came in as a corner and then they moved him to running back. But it's not like running back slash returner. Right. They are just viewing him as a return specialist. Well, but he's going to have to practice somewhere come training camp. I mean, it could be like the long snapper. Oh, I'm sure he's going to.

I think maybe they're waiting to see how the. roster looks and then they can send him wherever they want. Maybe. I mean, he's not going to just stand on the sideline during team drills. He's got to go somewhere. With what group, though? Yeah, I'm curious to see. Yeah. Okay, let's go to the next level.

This is the Morrow Ujima level. And I think a lot of options here. This is, you're looking for a young player, maybe second or third year, who it takes a step from sort of afterthought to a real part of the team, part of a rotation, and enough so that you imagine him being here for a few years as part of the plan for the Eagles. Who did you go with on this one? I had two options here. So I'm going to let you go first because I'll, if we have the same ones, I won't use this. You go first and because I've got a couple. Well, go ahead. My two guys here were Will Shipley and Sidney Brown.

Oh, interesting. Okay. Do you have either of those? No, but I have Sydney for a different Oh, okay, interesting. Possibilities. Yeah, so Shippley probably fits more in terms of the framing of this because he's not going to be a starter. Yeah, I think Shippley's better for this one. Yeah. I just didn't want to duplicate Brown.

But yeah, so Shipley's the guy I would point to is that I can see Shippley becoming the number two running back here and having the step in or play more than Gainwell did this past year and look good in that job where you're saying they have a starting running back as their number two. And it could be an interesting way of viewing the position. So Will Shipley is my answer here. I do think he's going to be the number two back next year. I think that's a good one because it's the right level

where like you saw a little bit from him in year one. Now he's presumably going to have a bigger role. And if he shows enough, it could be like, oh, maybe we really have something here. I was listening to his draft call over the weekend. Wow. I was reviewing some stuff from Eagles draft last year. and

Howie Roseb calls. That's a perfect example of the thing you could never make time for if only you didn't have kids. And he says to Howie, hi, this is Will Shipley. Now he's like, I know who you are. I drafted you.

Yeah. But just a real polite way to answer the phone. I respected that. That tracks. I have a couple off the wall ones here. Okay.

They're not going to be much. Yeah, that tracks. I kind of think that there's an outside chance of Andre Sam becoming a guy as if they're going cheaper at that position. I like an Andre Sam.

I think Trevor Keegan could be an answer here if he is called upon as the backup guard and has a couple games where he has to start and looks good. I was thinking about this the other day.

What if part of the planet tight end is moving Johnny Wilson there? Even when they were so steadfast last year that wasn't going to happen? But in a post-Dallis Goddard world. Sure. They already had a year looking at them. They could say, Johnny, you fit better here.

Maybe so. But my real answer here is I think this is this kind of tracks with the precise trajectory of Ujima last year is Jeremiah Trito Jr. Because the case here would be Jeremiah Trader Jr. Maybe starts the first half of the year next to Zach Bonn and is good, not great, but good. And then Nekobi Dean comes in. But then Nicopa Dean is going to be a free agent next off season. And so maybe Jeremiah Trader Jr. does enough to look good to allow the Eagles to move on from Nikobe Dean and be the guy who's penciled in to start next season.

And that gives them some safety and something to dream on at a cheap rookie contract level. That makes sense to me. I was considering Trotter in this category. And that definitely does track when you look at the Nekobi Dean contract situation. Yeah, I think, I mean, we're being fanciful here. Yes. It's not likely. but yeah, we're dreaming.

It's a cool concept for a Monday, March show. I like it. Super cool. All right. Next up, the Nukobie Dean, Nolan Smith one, different parts of their careers, but both of them had, you know, the stories of the early part of their careers

were one of disappointment. You know, Nacobie Dean is injury plagued. His second year doesn't get on the field his first year. Nolan Smith doesn't get on the field much his first year, has to play in the final preseason game, and then has like one of the best in-season improvements we've ever seen. Who is someone you think a homegrown player

who can take this kind of ascension? Yeah, so if I'm bouncing Sydney Brown up to this one, then Keely Ringgo and Cindy Brown. But I will lean toward Keely Ringo because I think Keely Ringo can turn into a high level or like a real solid starter for the Eagles, someone who they kind of view as part of their core moving forward. I like Keely Ringo skill set.

I need to see more from him, obviously, in games. but I thought he was going to win that job last summer. I was wrong, clearly. I was wrong about thinking he was going to be better than Isaiah Rogers, clearly. But we've used the framing of he's younger than Quignon Mitchell. Just ask if you knew that. I think, can we make this a thing? Can we do, can we make a counter?

Let's see if we can do like consecutive days mentioning that Kili Ringo is a year younger than Quina Mitchell. I think we should see if we can make it all the way to training camp every episode. So just slide a dimension somewhere. Okay. I like that. And then we can keep the counter, however many days in a row.

That's like, you know, Bob Papa, do you know Bob Papa? Yes. Play-by-the-play announcer. I did a story on him one time, and his kids would give him a word that he needed to say in his introduction of his, he was doing Thursday night football at the time. And so they would give him a word,

and he would have to say it in the top of the, like in his opening monologue. Love that. And he would find a word. way to weave it in. So in the piece, he told me what the word was going to be. And so I'm watching it. So it was, it was cool to see. So it's kind of like that, but to find ways to organically put this in. I like that. I would, I would appreciate that because then it gives me something to work into. There you go. Yeah. And you do enjoy a bit. I do enjoy a bit.

Keeley Ringo, a younger than Gwinyon Mitchell. But I say that because I think there's, there's a big development curve that he's still on. And I like the way he's progressed in these first two years. I know the Eagles, I like him. Now, that's a demanding position. Like, I think Sidney Brown probably, there's less resistance for Sidney Brown to be an impact player at his position because I think it's easier to be a really good safety

than it needs to be a really good corner. That said, I like Keeler Ringo as a player a little bit more. I agree with you. I think Keeler Ringo is probably. probably the right answer here. And I also think if you're thinking of the way that the Eagles are approaching it internally, I mean, we sort of made fun of Howie last year

when he was at that post-season press conference, which was postponed because of the snow, that he was really banging on, we believe in the Kobe D, and he's a big part of his future. And there was nothing really to suggest that that should have been the case. I think the Eagles internally believe that Keeter Ringo was going to be

the starting corner on the outside. They believe in him to that extent. and we have to see it play out that way. But I think it is a reasonable bet for them to make. I think they need to be prepared for that not happening. But, you know, everything we have seen from him when he's been called upon has been pretty good. And it is a position that takes some development oftentimes. He's got tools in his body, as it were.

I think it's reasonable to be bullish on Kilaringo. I think they would point to, like, you know, the stuff he did on special teams is indicative of what he could be like when called upon on the outside. I believe in Kier Ringo. I also think, I should add, he's obviously not in the Milton Williams category here, but similar to what Milton was at one point, you have two years of him here, right?

Because I don't foresee them giving him an extension unless he's a star. Yeah, that's a good point. Because, you know, they have Mitchell, they have the gene. So chances are you have two years to maximize this investment before he signs elsewhere, similar to the way we always talked about Milton Williams. Like when you draft over somebody,

then you're, anything can happen, but you probably get locked in. Unless, unless he's good early in the season this year, and they do the, you know, race to the quick extension. Sure. So they can get him at a reasonable deal. Could be that too.

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I was wondering about this the other day, too. I kind of agree with that. I don't know that they would have extended all the way to 17 for Bonn if they lost the Super Bowl. Really? I mean... I don't know. Yeah.

I mean, it depends on what the game was like. But like, let's say, let's say they lost decisively, which is, you know, it's unlikely. I think they played that game 10 times. He goes, when, you know, eight or nine of them. But let's say that happened. I don't know. I think it might have been a little bit more back to basics. I just don't know who you're replacing them with.

I guess you're just, you're going on that carousel and finding the next Zach Bond. Yeah. I think they maybe they do still do the Sequin deal. I actually think it's the other way around. I think they're maybe less likely to do the Saquan extension. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, the Saquan extension was, that was just rewarding a guy who had a historic season.

It's not as if they're like, we need to have Sequan Barclay in 2027 or 26, right? Yeah. I don't know. I think they might have let them all go. Interesting. Okay. I don't feel super strongly about that. Yeah.

I think they still would have wanted to bring Bonn back, but I don't know that they would have preemptively gone up. Yeah, all the way. Sure. If Zach Bond doesn't have the interception in the Super Bowl and plays awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

It's a good thing we'll never know. By the way, you brought up the Super Bowl. I need to say this. If you haven't seen Anthony's interview yet, with Steve Spagnola, which you can find on our on our PHLY YouTube channel. Make sure you check that out. I was able to watch it all this weekend. And just like great organic, real honest football conversation.

That is, and it's like what makes podcasts great sometimes is 45 minutes of extended conversation, something you can't get on on and on radio. Really enjoyed it. So make sure you check that out. Well, set. Thank you, Julia, for putting that. that up on the screen. Great stuff.

Just don't leave our show yet, right? Finish watching the show. Yeah. That's right. We've got more super chance to get to here. We've got a cash squash who says, if Gonerts traded over under 300 yards for Jahan Dotson. Oh, that may lead into the answer for one of these conversations.

Okay, so we'll hold off. We'll hold off on that. And then Dinkleberg saying, Zach, if becoming a cyborg was your best way to stay alive for as long as you could, would you do it even if you were considered a potential risk to society. No, no. I don't know enough about being a cyborg, but I enjoy being part of humanity.

But would you want to, like are you willing to accept a potential monkey's paw? Like if you say, like, I want to live as long as possible, but that means that you then live to be like 400 years old and outlive humanity and you just sitting around like that. You don't want that. No, it's like, I think, I mean, not to get deep here,

but part of what makes the night fun is that the night's over, right? Is that, uh, so at some point you say like, you know, my time here is finished. I squeezed as much life as I could out of it. Um, I subscribe to this newsletter for this guy who's talking. He's like, he's into longevity. Like, uh, like living longer. His name's Peter Diamandis, okay. Um, is this like, is this like the, the weird guy?

Like the guy who's like tracking his son's boners at night? I haven't read that. No, I don't know. I heard him speak at a Philadelphia speaker series and I subscribe to his newsletter. And so I'm a big newsletter subscriber. I was just going to ask how many newsletters do you subscribe to.

I really enjoy Malcolm Jenkins' newsletter. I've been reading that. That's good stuff. But anyways, there's some stuff in this newsletter that I find helpful. There's other stuff. where I'm like, you know what, I don't want to live to 150. Like, you know, I think you get to a point where you say, I've seen what I've needed

to see. I've done what I need to do. Now, I hope there's a long time before I get to that point. But. Yeah. Yeah. That conversation took a turn. And then I deliver it one more super chat.

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Listen. Good writing is good writing. There you go. All right, let's get to Mackay Beckton. Okay, so this is a veteran cast off, someone who is resurrecting their career. I think there are, I came down with like three or four real options here. Who jumped to mind for you?

So I'm going with Josh Uche. Okay. And I'm saying that because I think, you know, there is a lane that exists where he's your third pass rusher. And he gets the quarterback, has 10 sacks. And his market this year, which was at like 1.5 million or, you know, whatever, or, you know, a 1.9 million. He's an $8 million, $10 million a year player next year. He's still kind of in that age profile. Yeah.

So he's the guy I pointed to as a one-year signing. We were thinking at the signing, he's just going to kind of fill a role, but maybe he takes on a bigger role. And I think he has the juice to be a productive edge rusher. Yeah, we'll see. I think he is probably the guy who, if you're looking at, you know, had a high, but has been disappointing and is coming in on a, you know, a cheap one-year deal to rebuild his value.

It does make a lot of sense. You know, listen, I didn't, nobody saw it. Zach Bond coming, so I'm not going to say that Josh Ushake can't be there. I'm a little skeptical of him, but why not dream? That's a good one, and it's a good one where you say, you know, he got to the right place where he needed to be and was able to show

all of his skills. I think it's fine. I have two possibilities here. I think Kenyon Green is the one who makes the most sense, whereas this is a first round caliber offensive lineman in terms of just the tools in his body. He gets to Jeff Stoutland. He proves he can be a force in the run game and a good starter and probably leaves and gets a nice contract somewhere else.

And I'm actually going to, I don't want to go back to the well here or something where I have been wrong in the past. Why not Bryce Huff? Okay. Why can't Bryce Huff rebuild his career with a fine season as the third edge rusher and get, you know, eight sacks just as a third down specialist for this defense?

And then he can go somewhere else next season and you move on. I don't know. It feels like the kind of guy, who, like the roller coaster of his career, why not? I mean, certainly. We're not holding ourselves to these. No, certainly.

Let's dream. He's done it before, right? We've seen him. The reason why they paid him $17 million is because they thought the tools were there. He had a double-digit sack season with the Jets. And you're like in a bigger role, what can he do? And did not go well last year. Howie said the book's not written on him yet.

We'll see. But yeah, I think that's a fine. I mean, people, how he probably said the book wasn't written on Mackay back then a year ago. True. And look at him now. I have a funny dream story from this weekend. Ah, okay. My kids thought this was very funny.

I mean, I don't ever like remember my dreams, basically. You should write them down when you wake up. I mean, I could do that. I don't even, I don't think I remember them even when I wake up. But I did remember this one. I don't actually don't remember what was happening in the dream itself for the large, for the most part. but I was, I was for whatever reason in the dream brushing my teeth. And I'm just like, I'm brushing and brushing and brushing my teeth.

And then I go to spit out, you know, the stuff. And I woke myself up because I actually spit. Really? And spit onto my own face. I was lying on my back. I spit out the toothpaste and woke myself up by spitting onto my face. Has that ever happened before? Not that I can remember.

Well, you're practicing good or hygiene in your dreams. That's a good thing that would dream about. Yeah, a tough way to wake up. I mean, there's worse ways to wake up. That's, that's what Rachel said too. He's like, oh, geez. So I thought that was very funny. I ask my kids every morning, what did you dream about?

And they say the same thing. I didn't dream. And I said, that sounds horrible, right? Like, that's the best part of sleeping is dreaming. That's the best part of sleeping? yes do you disagree with me there yeah i mean i think the rest is the but i mean i don't strongly disagree with you i just don't remember my dreams that much yeah but i would love to but yeah to be fair i don't know that you're the expert on sleep i'm not the expert on on sleep but

i i do dream and i remember i remember my dreams so um yeah i i you know i i i i i i i know i i I see these ads sometimes for, for like these allergy medications that, that cause vivid dreams. And, like, I'm kind of intrigued by this. Oh, okay. No, entreat. Like, what are we talking about vivid dreams here? Have you ever considered drugs? Have I considered drugs?

Of what variety? Psychedelics. I mean, this feels like that you're intrigued by vivid dreams. You might as well just, you know, take mushrooms once or something. Oh, no. No, I wouldn't do that. But. From the earth.

I don't judge. A funny comment from Zach in the chat, who says, Zach with a K, who says, I once had a dream and a bird flew at my head, and I lifted my hands to protect myself and accidentally punched my sleeping wife in the face. Oh, God. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm sorry to hear that, yes.

Okay, we move on now to the Milton Williams tier, our second highest tier, and this is a player who takes a leap from good to great, which I guess you could argue about Milton Williams this year, year and potentially sets themselves up for a big time payday. Who did you have here? I got Jordan Davis. Okay.

You can go on my list as a possibility. Yeah, because I can see a situation in which the Eagles don't give him the fifth year. You know, don't exercise his fifth year option. Jordan Davis plays more this year. He puts it all together. And you're a team on the free agent market next year and you say, man, you have this guy who's just a rare human being, 6-6-3-30 can run the way he does, has the power that he has.

And let's say he has eight and a half sacks next year and is a force in the past game. Then he's like a $20 million year player at that point, right? Probably so. Yeah. So that's why I went with Jordan Davis. I don't think the Eagles are going to, well, I actually don't know if the Eagles are going to exercise his fifth year option. I haven't heard one way or the other. But if he's simply, if he's a nose tackle and he's not affecting the past,

He's not worth the fifth year option. He's going to need to play more snaps. But if he becomes the player that they thought he was going to be when he was a top 15 pick, then that changes everything in his career. Jordan Davis, the answer to the trivia question, who is the only eagle who started all 17 games this season? Oh, I like that trivia question. I'm actually going to write that down on my notes right here.

There we go. Look at this, as the magic happens. Yes. Which note are we talking here? Okay, we got the note. We got the notes app. Yeah, Jordan Davis. 15, or started all 17 games.

What is that? What note is that? Just the most recent note that comes up. Oh, okay. So. Yeah, that's a good one. I mean, why not? It's a position that often takes time.

And we sort of expect that the way the Eagles are going to fill in for Milton Williams is Morrow Ujima taking those three-down snaps. But Jordan Davis showed some pass rush traps in the playoffs. Why can't he do it a little bit more next season? I do think he is going to be an interesting test case for this philosophy. We think the Eagles are going to have now, just pay the elite guys and try to fill out the roster everywhere else with lower paid guys or players on rookie contracts.

I think he's like the perfect example of like a B plus player who you probably don't want to pay like an A player. But if he takes that kind of leap next year, then maybe that will not be the case. Yeah, I was going back and reading 22 scouting reports, preparing for today's show. and it's fascinating to see the way he was discussed coming out of the draft. All right.

We're getting ready to get to overtime. Just a few seconds, which you can watch on all PHLY to check out the rest of the show. That's right. We're going to overtime. Zach Berman's secret Kendall has a super chat and says, going to a conference next month, favorite Nola restaurants besides Hooters? Should I wait until after 3 o'clock here?

No, go ahead. Okay. Well, first off, no disrespect to Hooters, but I haven't been to one since college, so I couldn't answer that question there. But my favorite New Orleans restaurant by far is Giacomo's. I love Giacomo's. I was there with some friends and former colleagues

from Washington during Super Bowl. week and it was it is so good and it's it's not stuffy in there it's away from downtown which is yeah high quality food the type of food too that you're not getting in philly like it's authentic norleans cuisine so that that that's that's really good i also enjoyed the dinner we had yeah what was the name of that place was it k8 or k2 and n7 i think n7 might be right and seven okay yeah that was very good. Yeah, that was very good. Yeah, that was really good. And then I had a reservation that I wasn't, I was able to give to friends on Saturday night that I didn't go out to, but I heard very good things. I forget the name. What was that? It was also a little bit out

of town. The woman who, Nina, who was on top chef, like her second restaurant, I got to find it, but that's not helpful. Ken's, Zach Berman's secret Kendall. I like the name. Yeah, but make sure check out Jacquimos and tell him I sent you. All right. My Milton Williams, and this one is a bit of a stretch. I found this one to be difficult. Now, there's one player here who I think could make this type of leap,

and it's not perfect because they're not taking the, they're not going on to for agency. But I think there's a case if you really want to dream that Jalick's Hunt turns into like a really, really, really good defense event in your two.

Exactly, sure. And is like, we don't miss, not to say you don't miss Josh Schwett, but like Jalick Sunt, based on what we saw in the Super Bowl, you know, if he improves from that, I think he could be a star. And he's one I have an eye on. But if we're looking at the who could rebuild their value or bump up their value, I don't know if I believe in this one very much, but what about Jahan Dotson? I can definitely see that.

And this is the one, this goes to the super chat. Like if the Eagles are moving off of down. Alice Goddard, which still remains a possibility. And they're trying to figure out a different way to disperse that number three target based off what we saw in the Super Bowl. If Jalen Hertz now trusts Johan Dotson, this is a player going into free agency, the final year of his rookie deal. I don't know.

Couldn't he have a 600-yard season or something like that and then go earn like $12 million? Absolutely. I mean, there's a world that exists where. I know Eagles fans don't like when we say this. If Devante or AJ goes down early in the year and John Dotson steps into the number two role and he has a big season. You know, I watched on speed,

I watched on fast on like going through it quickly the week 18 game this weekend. And Jahan Dotson looked real good in that game. I think seven catches, 90 yards. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so a world exists where Jahan Dodson fulfills the promise that made him a top 20 pick. I think you could also squint and go grand calcuttaire here.

What if he's the number one tight end? And he has a 500-yard season and is productive, and then he gets paid as a starting tight end somewhere else. That is also a possibility. There you go. All right. Last one. Zach Bond. Who is going to surprise the world?

and become a household name, less about the money, more about just someone who is not counted on and comes in and just changes the way we think about this team, who you got. Yes, this is a tough one because obviously you're not just, it's hard to say this guy who you didn't think much of is going to become an all pro.

That's a once in a blue moon type situation. But I'm going to go here. I think you can, I mean, you could get in real trouble trying to find the next sackbond. Obviously, this is extremely, extremely plying the sky. There's not going to be anyone who ever follows that same. Yeah. So I'm going Kenyon Green here. Oh, okay. And I'm going Kenyon Green here because I said I was going through those 20-22 scouting reports, right? And so I'm reading The Beast and I'm reading Daniel Jeremiah.

I know Fran read his on the show. I didn't have access to France today for prep work. And he was thought of as like he has the tools to be one of the best guards in the league. like an instant starter high-level guard. It hasn't happened yet. We talked about how Kili Ringo is younger than Quina Mitchell, right? He's younger, on Kenyan Green's younger than Tyler Steen. There are prospects in this draft who are older than Kenyan Green. And so I look at it as now he goes with Jeff Stoutland,

who, I mean, Jeff Stoutland's turned, you know, Jordan Mila and never played football before, right? I mean, Mackay Beckton had never played guard before. Brandon Brooks was a good player in Houston, like a solid player in Houston, who turned into an all-pro in Philadelphia. What's to say that Jeff Stoughtland doesn't make Kenyon Green into an all-pro player? So that's why I just think that if the tools are there and I don't know Kenyon Green, but if he's wired the right way, I've seen Stoutland do this before. Brandon Brooks is the example I would point to as someone who was like, now he was a good player.

I mean, he earned a good contract with the Eagles, but he was not an all pro in Houston. And he became the best guard in the NFL in Philadelphia. I think that's a good one. Okay. Why not? Yeah. Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, we're dreaming. I think that's possible, you know, if there are, if there are technique things that Stout is able to get him to refine, he's got the, you know, the power that you would expect for him to be a monster in the running game. Why not? Let's dream. For me, I mentioned Jalek's Hunt as a player, I think, who could take some kind of leap like this.

I think you could make a case for Ajima, making this second leap. Like, what if he turns into a superstar on third down? I think Ushay, who we talked about, is like the one who fits this template just based on where he was found in the draft. But if I'm thinking of a guy who can go from, most people don't know who this player is, and he becomes a household name and becomes a superstar. it's not going to surprise you who, I think. I'm not wishing this into existence. But if there is a case

where the Eagles have to bring in a backup quarterback to lead them. It's fair. The entire season, let's say. And this player is awesome and is all of a sudden thought of as a 20 plus million dollar player. Why can't Tanner McKee be the next Zach Bond? Look, I'm not going to push back on you there.

Now, I don't, I will let you get on with your point, but I'm fascinated. What then? What then is? Of course. What then do they do? Like, if Tanner McKee steps in and leads you to the NFC championship game or the Super Bowl, what then? Because that's a fascinating conversation to be. It's crazy.

I mean, yeah, it's insane. But, no, no, you are correct. Like, I mean, if we saw in week 18, he wasn't even playing with his starters and he was playing against starters. And he was awesome that game. You know, some of the throws, I was watching that Cowboys game. He goes three for four for the two touchdowns there. But that, the, after Sequin broke the record, like that passed to Devante, the touchdown

to the left side, AJ, like, yeah, there's a reason why the Eagles were not bringing Kenny Pickett back. And it's the chin strap away conversation. And the thing about the chin strap away conversation is the Nick Foles thing happened in, you know, in week 14 that year, the Kurt Warner thing happened in the preseason, you know? Like Trent Green tore's ACL in the preseason. Now, the Eagles don't play their guys in the preseason.

But Tom Brady got injured week one. And Matt Castle steps in, and Matt Castle became a starting quarterback in the league based on that happening. So, yeah, and a world absolutely exists where this could occur. We respect Mormons on this show, right? Yeah. I mean, listen, everybody knows I believe in Terry.

We respect everyone. on this show. Mormons included. Okay. Yes. Yeah, you know where I stand on Tanner McKee. Yes. I think if that unfortunate knock on wood situation were to occur,

I think Tanner McKee would acquit himself well enough that he would be known league-wide as a starting caliber quarterback. And the other thing is I would get on the post-game show sooner, which would also be a good thing. That's true. If I'm selfish about this, I could say, Beau is right, and I would get on the post-game show about 25 minutes sooner. Because Tanner would come right out. Yeah, that's true.

Let's close with, like, who's your favorite Irish person? My favorite Irish person, Jamie Lynch. Who's your love? Jamie Lynch is in the next office right now, so I would go Jamie Lynch. Jamie Lynch. I mean, I love the guy. Sean Grieve. There you go.

Sean Grieve. Yeah. What a player. There's so many people. I could point to. But yeah, I'll go Jamie because he's in the next office. Shots fired at Sean Greve. No.

Poor guy. No. Used to think he was Zach's favorite Irishman. And all of a sudden he gets pipped by Jamie. No, no, no, Sean. Poor guy. That's actually, I will hear from Sean on this. So definitely Sean.

Sorry. Yeah, I'm a Guinness now. Yeah, no, Sean's. I can say, Sean, he's got some Scottish in him too, I believe. Ah. Would you like some? I don't know. Actually, I'm just going to say,

Sean Greve is my, my, my favorite one here. Congratulations to Sean Greve. Honor of a lifetime. All right. What's, what's coming up this week? What else, what else we got? You tell me. No, this is, this is, this is.

You heard from the long snapper today. Did you learn anything? Uh, so he, he met a lot of people joint practices a few years ago. that's that's kind of his basis of understanding. Julia, just so you know, that's not a practice

where everyone smokes a joint. The joint practice? Yeah. You're rolling up pieces of paper. There's nothing in there. You're just practicing rolling. I mean, I suppose that could happen

at joint practices, right? Yeah, could. Yes. But it might make our shows more entertaining. I wouldn't know, but I'll take your word on it. So this week is a relatively quiet week for the Eagles now,

more or less or famous last words, right? There could be a big trade. There could be the second wave signing. But this is the period now where the owner's meetings are in two weeks. The Eagles will kind of value shop now. But this is the time where it kind of transitions from free agency to the draft. And typically post-owners meetings, it's like all draft. So this week and next week is kind of,

kind of like that. I don't want to say that no man's land in between then, but there's some draft stuff goes on. I would hope the Eagles would announce their coaching staff at some point here. That would be wonderful. Like, we kind of know the people on there, but you can see sometimes there's internal promotions,

things of that nature. There was a report over the weekend. They added another young person to the stuff. Yeah, chief of staff. Ah, chief of staff. Yeah, from UAB. Very west wing title. Well, I think the title is actually going to be

He's the chief of staff at UAB. He be the assistant head coach for the Eagles. Assistant to the head coach. Dwight Shrew, yes. And this is notable. This is a role that was once occupied in Philly by Sean B. Dermott. He was once occupied by Brett Veach. When I started on the beat, actually, in 2012, Brett Veach was in this role.

James Urban was in this role under Andy Reid. And so actually when Chip Kelly came aboard, it was they made a kid a chief of staff, is what he called it. That was James Harris, who had considerable influence here. With Doug Peterson, Spencer Phillips was the first one in that role. So they've had a number of different people there.

It could be a valuable entry point depending upon how the coach sees it, depending on how the coach utilizes it. But yeah, I would love to see the Eagles fill out their staff. That said, this is a show or this is a week where we can be more creative with the shows. I would love to add an NCAA tournament element to these shows this.

Yes, we've got to create the bracket on ESPN for the sickos to join. Yes. Maybe we can have a bracket type show where we... Quakotology, if you will. Quackatology, if you will, yes. That too, yep. And no, it's just... Friends hanging out on set, talking Eagles.

I know that's right. And other stuff. What's better than that? Guys being dudes, what's better than that? Yeah, what are you thinking about this week? I don't know. You've been any St. Patty's Day plans tonight? You going to the local pub?

Nope. And throw back a Guinness? Nope. No? You like Guinness? I don't mind a Guinness. Okay. Guinness is a...

I like a Guinness in the morning. Like, you're at an airport, you're on vacation. You give me the accent or you're kind of in between right now, yeah? I got like a 10 a.m. flight. Long cross-country flight. Get me a Guinness. Okay. Why not?

You're a car bomb guy? How dare you? No, not really. What? No. No. I saw... I'm not 21 years old. I saw an interview this weekend where Bill Belichick introduced a person to the car bomb. Trying to figure out who, what the interview was, that I saw that. But...

Hold on here. Let me pull this up here. Oh, Rick Petino. Rick Petino. Yeah, it was in the New York Post. Steve Sherby. His Sunday Q&A was with Rick Petino. and he talked in there about how how Bill Belichick, they were out and Bill Belichick introduced him to the Irish car bomb. Two of the best men around.

Hey. Men, gentlemen to aspire. You said you're not a college student. That's why you don't like car bombs. You want to hang out with college students. You got to drink carpal. I want to pick up a college student and you're 75 years old.

The key to the heart is a car bomb. All right. night though? No. No. Okay. All right. You? I'm going to work. I'm going to grill and then I'm going to have a basketball game. Oh, that's right. The game tonight. You're going to grill before the game. Yeah, I got a heat. And I, uh, I'm feeling about this game. I indulged this weekend. And so did you get your celebratory cheese steak? Yeah. Shout out the Johnny's. Um, Johnny's on, on, on, on, I'm sorry, Lancaster Avenue and in, in, in, in, in, in, Mark.

Awesome there. Nice. Can't recommend it enough. I know it's become like really popular. I was at day one, I'd like to say, but I see, you know, Johnny, I was talking to Johnny there about the Eagles. We were talking about the Bechtin move. But yeah, that place is awesome.

So had the cheese steak pizza. I lived like my college self this weekend. And now I am. Insomnia cookies? Not insomnia cookies, but a different dessert. handles ice cream. And then, but then,

yeah, now I got to get back on track. So I will be grown to it. I've never had handles. You like handles? Yeah, good flavors. I really like,

now this isn't a handle's exclusive flavor. I know Turkey Hill has it. Merrimid farm has it, but like the Graham slam, you know, the Graham slam, the Phillies Graham slam. So there's,

it's like their gram cracker ice cream with, oh, it's so good. They have a, they have like a, what do they call it, a hurricane? Like a, a blizzard type deal?

Yeah. I'm only listening. I've only heard of this through Do Boys, but I've not yet had handles. They speak highly of it. It's really good. Highly recommend it. Okay.

There you go. All right, that'll do it for today's episode of the P.HLY Eagles podcast. Don't forget, tomorrow is a Tuesday. You know what that means? The P.H.O.Y draft show with Fran Duffy is live at noon. So don't miss that before all three of us will be in studio for the P.H.O.Y. Eagles show at 2 o'clock.

So we're here all week. We look forward to talking Burry. with you, and that's about all we got. For Julia, for Zach, for Sean Greve, but not Jamie Lynch. I'm Bo. We thank it for watching. We'll talk to you tomorrow, and as always, oh, we love you.