PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Finding the PERFECT free agent for Howie Roseman to add to the Eagles defense | PHLY Eagles Podcast

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

Who will Vic Fangio push for Howie Roseman to sign for the Eagles in NFL free agency? Bo Wulf, Fran Duffy, and EJ Smith go through a field of 32 defensive free agents that include names like Trey Hendrickson, Trevon Diggs, and Alontae Taylor to determine who is most likely for the Eagles to add. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody, and welcome the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast on, I believe, a Thursday, live from the Xfinity Studio and presented by our friends at Ashley. Bo-Wolf E.J. Smith. Fran Duffy's here. We got a three-hander ready for the first round of the defensive side of the bracket on Quackatology. Fran, E.J., how you guys doing? Doing great. You guys did a great show yesterday. It was fun just tuning in and seeing all the, the, uh, the office. of players being thrown around, but I'm excited to jump into 32 defensive players. Looking forward to it. Now, we do have boots on the ground. I'm going to say, I'm doing well, too, you know. I mean, I asked both of you.

He did. You could have jumped in. You didn't, you left the airspace. You don't know me. I'm not going to jump in. You know, it's not a, it's not my forte. But yeah, I am excited to discuss a lot of Eagles news on the show as well. And you were all over the place on, uh, at, and just generally, yes, all over the place is a good way

describe me. On the scene in Philadelphia last night, heard from multiple people. Big screen appearance from E.J. Smith at the Sixers game last night. Yeah, no, we went to the Sixers game. We ended up on the Jumbo Tron. My nephew was kind of being, he was excited, but like, I think he got, the moment was a little big for him. Yeah. But no, it was we had a good time. Didn't make it to the end of the game, but we had a great time. Did he lock up? Look at this. Oh, we have a picture. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Yeah, so shout out. Had a great time. My dad, my nephew, and my lovely wife, Julia. That's great. Yeah, we had a good time. All of them. Enjoyed the game. Enjoyed some good seats.

You know, so yeah, it was good. All right, before we get into quacketology, a little bit of NFL news that affects the Eagles to some degree. Let's talk about that through the prism of the right people presented by our friends at True Mark Financial. The right people. Do the Eagles have the right person in AJ Brown? I think they would like that to be the case.

Whether he stays is probably a little bit more up to AJ Brown. But the trade market has changed a little bit based on what happened today. What was that, E.J.? Yeah, so the Buffalo Bills traded a second round pick for DJ Moore. And I think a day three pick coming back the other way. So to me, this is significant for a couple of reasons. First, it takes the Buffalo Bills off of the trade market for a receiver, theoretically. What?

What? You're making me nervous here. No, that's true. I didn't. Okay, sorry. All over the place, as you said. So yeah, it takes the Buffalo bills off of the trade market. It also, in my mind, sets a price for veteran receivers on the trade market that I think the Eagles will be pretty happy with.

You know, a two for DJ Moore. Again, I know there's a pick going the other way, but a two for DJ Moore makes the Eagles asking price reported asking price for AJ Brown, which is reportedly a one and then a sweetener on top of that makes it seem more realistic. I know that it takes the bills off of the wide receiver market again in theory, but it kind of also increases the urgency and it takes away a fallback plan for a team like the New England Patriots or even I would throw the Kansas City Chiefs in there, the Baltimore Ravens, it takes an option off the board for them and kind of sets the market in a way that I think is favorable for the Eagles. Yeah, I mean, they're just the track record of the two of them is not even close.

Sure, yeah, absolutely. A.J. Brown had a terrible season last year, just the worst season he's ever. had with an eagle. And it was still over 1,000 yards. And DJ Moore had not even 700 yards last year. Yeah. Different caliber of player. And especially if you are a Super Bowl contender, I think you could see

the value in spending more for a player like A.J. Brown. So, yeah, I think that this was a good day for Howie Rosen's asking price. But one fewer suitor, in theory. In theory, but I still think the Patriots are probably the one that you'd circle as like, if you could just get them

into a position, again, they release Stefan Diggs shortly after our show yesterday. If you can get them into an out-leverage position where they have to make a move at receiver, are they going to leave it for the draft? Or as this really drags on, I do think that you have enough teams that are interested. It's a matter of getting teams that are willing to pay the price. And I think this probably pushes you closer to having a team that's willing to pay that price. Brandon, do you have any interest in the possibility if you're a Chiefs fan,

flipping the pick you just got for Trent McDuffie? Or AJ Brown? Potentially, I think that, you know, look, the chiefs absolutely need some sort of offensive firepower, some way to be able to defeat man-to-man coverage. That was not something that they did at a high rate last year. So I think being able to add a player like AJ Brown is something that they would be interested in, especially given the fact that, you know, as we've talked about, like this class, this draft class doesn't have a ton of blue chip talent.

You know, so any receiver that they're going to take at nine overall is not going to be equivalent to AJ Brown, even at his age. Yeah, if I'm Patrick Mahomes, like, I'm marching into Brett Veitch's office and I'm saying, like, go get me that guy. Go get me that guy. That was pretty good. I mean, especially, like, you wonder how the Chiefs reacted to the Trent McDuffie trade. Like, from a player perspective or a coach perspective, you probably aren't thrilled about a young player, a talented player going out the door for a draft pick. If you use it to go get AJ Brown, it smooths things over a lot more.

So I wouldn't discount it. I think it makes sense from a Chief's perspective. I don't think Eagles fans would like it, right? I still think New England is the spot. And I think that Buffalo, Buffalo, that's what, you know, the idea like, oh, there's one last suitor. I think that ratchets the urgency level up for New England. Exactly. Like, this is the team that's chasing us in our division.

Yeah, to me, that's the one to watch. I think it's a good, it's generally a good thing that this happened for the Eagles. I think that they're a winner in this. Okay, that will do it for. The right people presented by our friends at True Mark Financial. All right, before we get into the first matchup of the second round, as we try to whittle down what defensive free agent the Eagles are most likely to sign next week. Let's talk big picture here.

Obviously, three starters set to potentially leave. Jalen Phillips and Kobe Dean, read Blankenship. Fran, if all three of those guys go, do you think the Eagles will play the patient game and let the market come to them, or do you think they will have a target who they want to make a splash on? the tough part about it would be if Jalen Phillips goes, he's going for a hefty price tag

and that's, we know like in terms of like the compic game how that can get a little messy. And so now if you were to go and get Bradley Chub, that would not count against the compic formula. And so you can get aggressive there, bring back someone that, uh,

that Vic Fangio is familiar with. Uh, and that doesn't count against you. That's not a bad backup plan. Um, I think with Nukobi, I think that's, I think that's,

you have Todd Campbell elevating into that. that role. Read blanket ships a little trickier. I think if the right, very interested, but it's a good, it is a decent safety market. There's a lot of vet that we can talk through that. The other one is, obviously, is Adori Jackson as well, but we'll talk through that as well. Yes, I should have mentioned Adori Jackson. Yeah. We're going to talk corners. Okay, let's get to it. 32 players. There will be no linebackers among these 32. Although, I mean, obviously, they goes, well, even if Nikovi leaves, they'll sign somebody to compete, but we're not going to, we're not going to talk about that today. no defensive tackles on this list.

We've got 11 edges, 12 corners, 9 safeties, and we start with an edge against a corner. Just unbelievable, this is awesome. Just phenomenal. So good. And again, these guys are seated by total projected guaranteed money. So the number one scene on the defensive side of the ball is Trey Hendrickson, of course, of the Cincinnati Bengals.

He is going up in a tray on Trey matchup against Trey Bond Diggs. the ex-corner or ex-caboy's corner who was waived spent the end of the season on the packers Trey hendrickson thirty-one years old next season our projected contract here is three for one-on-one with sixty million dollars guaranteed thirty-five sacks seventeen and a half each in twenty twenty three and twenty four but had a core muscle injury that robbed him of nine games last season just seven or just four sacks in seven games. But if Jalen Phillips leaves and you really, really, really want to make a splash on the edge,

does Trey Hendrickson make sense? And would you rather sign Trey Hendrickson than trade for Max Crosby, I guess? That is the operative question. That's why I sort of hand-waved Trey Hendrickson in this exercise. I think that there is a pathway toward the Eagles signing Trey von Diggs. Like I think it, you know, I could see it. I'm not saying I feel amazing about it,

but I think in this, in this matchup, I'd rather have Trayvon. What's the, the background with him and Jalen? Trayvon was a receiver there with Trayvon's quarterback, right? Yeah, and it's like very anecdotal, but I have noticed at times over the years when they played against each other, there is like a mutual respect. Like I remember, I think it was Trayvon Diggs either tackled Jalen or intercepted Jalen. And then afterward Jalen kind of walked over to him,

gave him like a head pat on the helmet like you got me there so definitely a mutual respect cohabitation matrix uh making here from you i feel i feel like i remember a uh stat that digs has picked him off more than any uh defender in the NFL um does feel like obviously had an awesome start to his career yeah with the cowboys had those 11 interceptions in his second season he's been very banged up he's missed 29 games the last three seasons and also you know lost his job yeah i think um and the kind I mean, we're talking like $2 million guaranteed here. I do think that Hendrickson makes more sense to me than Crosby does. I agree with you.

I would rather overpay for Trey Hendricks. Yeah. On two years of real money. Yeah. Then give up draft pick compensation and pay Max Crosby. I agree with that. I don't think that there's a huge, huge difference between the two guys. Really?

Okay. I was going to say the I have been pretty dismissive of the Max Crosby speculation. And we should mention Lane Johnson poured some gasoline on the fire today by tweeting at Max Crosby with the eyeball emojis, which I mean, I know Lane's a big emoji on social media guy, but I would have liked some more clarity on that as a reporter. I would like to know what he was alluding to there. I, it's interesting to hear you say you think that those two are pretty close because the one thing I will always say with Crosby is like he's a, you know, difference making player, impact

at a premium position. So you can't dismiss it because the Eagles value those guys so much. I guess you could argue that Trey Hendrickson is the same. I feel like the gulf between them is a little bit wider. I think Hendrickson is an awesome player. I do think that Crosby, yeah, like in a vacuum, if we're saying that both guys are free agents for Crosby. But you're not giving up the first to them.

I'm not giving up the picks on top of it. So I would say that Hendrickson would make more sense. but if you were going to pay Hendrickson then you would probably be paying Phillips but are we I guess we're assuming that Phillips is going to get more money on the open market. I'm not sure about that yeah I still yeah I kind of still

think I think Hendrickson will get more per year right Phillips Phillips may get more guarantee is because he's younger yeah maybe I just find out I might go opposite there really yeah that Hendrickson gets more

gets more guaranteed because he's more proven and like he's like iron you know he's always think there'll be more years of guarantees on more years of guarantees but that okay yeah it ends up being more guaranteed it's just like it's it's such a a unique pathway that leads you to signing trey hendrickson yeah and free agency it's yeah you didn't extend jalen phillips you decided not to get into the trade market for max crosby and instead you sign i think it's i think i think i think you're not playing yeah you're not playing the compic game if you sign him i i don't know as a long time trevon digs believer i a corner. I would be I would like that. I think the injuries have taken their toll but I think he'd be

a great fit in the scheme. Oh really? So you think he's a scheme. I think he'd be a good scheme. He's his, his zone aware, like his that was always a huge, huge plus in his game was like the way he read routes and you know, was able to kind of see see the forest through the trees and make plays on the ball. So I think he'd be a great fit. Yeah, I think this is a very realistic bottom feeding in for agency. No, I'm serious. I know it's just a funny, it's a funny way to describe it. I think I think there's a good chance they're spending $4 million on two different guys to compete at that spot.

And Trayvon Diggs absolutely makes sense as one of those guys. I agree. The former cowboy of it. That is a tough sell. All right. We've got a 16 or a 32 versus one upset here. Trayvon Diggs moving on over Trey Hendrickson

in the first matchup of quacketology on the defensive side of the ball. Next up, edge on edge. Quitty pay. Formerly of the Indianapolis Colts, 27 years old. Always makes me think of old dirty bastard

because I just think quitty quitty pig like shimmy shimmy yeah. It works very well. And he's going up against Kingsley and Iqbari from the Green Bay Packers. What can you tell us about these guys, Fran? And do you think one is a better scheme fit?

I think pay is probably the better scheme fit. But I think both guys can be very useful for the Eagles. I don't think that either is a particularly impactful like certainly not to Jaila Phillips obviously but if you're saying all right Nolan Smith

Jaylux Hunt your starters this guy's first man off the bench you could do worse I do think that Enigbari will have probably a bigger market would be my guess slightly I think so I think that he's I think that he's shown a little bit more pop as a rusher like his highs have been a little bit higher than with Quitty Pei

who's a first round pick so he's always going to have that attached to his name but To me, he's been better run defender than past rusher. And what I've seen from him so far in the NFL, never lived up to, like, the athletic upside that people thought he had coming out of Michigan. So, so, yeah. I noticed that people thought he had. So you were, you were a little lower on it.

I was lower on him, yeah. Well, I do have, I do have over the past two years, the free agent, edge rushers, how they have fared as rushers in the quarterback hit rate. You can pull up that list, Lindsay. No, obviously Hendrickson is at the top here. Odafei Oi, who we will get to then Bradley Chub And then I mean even like

We'll get to Boie Amafé Now like his pressure rate is higher than his hit rate But there is not a lot of productivity there But Enigbari and Quiti Pei are locked right next to each other With Enigbari just a smidge above I'm like looking at the ranks too Yes The only thing I'd really harp on

And I feel like Enigbari also like I feel like I pushed around in that playoff game. Yeah. The truth is I don't think the Eagles are going to be interested in either of these guys. Yeah. The draft pedigreef with Quitty Pay makes me think that's a good tiebreaker here. I think if Quitty Pay's market turns out to be Aziz Ojalari's market from last year. Right.

And it's like really low. Yeah. And they can get them for $4 million. Then yeah, I could see that. Okay. And I think you're probably right that his market is more likely to completely collapse than Enigbari. Yeah. I had shades of Aziz Ojalari as one.

of my notes for Quitty pay. Like, you know, draft pedigree, you get them for one year on a Proved Deal. I mean, yeah. Yeah. You could quit and see it. I think Barr is going to end up in Miami anyway, so I would say I'd probably voting for Quitty Pay in this exercise. Cui Pays moves on. All right. There are two matchups. You know what that means?

I'm going to take a break. Come back on the other side. We will get into some corners. Naishon Wright and Greg Newsom. Our first safety in Nick Cross. Marshawn, Latimore, Cam Curl, Gino, Stone, Jalen, Thompson, Aloha, Gilman, come one, come all. Stay with us. So last week, you know, Bo keeps me in the studio a little bit longer than I was expecting.

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It was actually day two. Day two. It was, it was, day three is during the day. It was like one a.m. That's right. One of my like earliest formative memories in like preschool was that the preschool had and there's one kid in my class I can see his face vividly still because it was such like a traumatic experience and I remember it. He like sees the mouse and he jumps up on like a plastic chair. And like something about that. I'll never, I'll never forget it.

I could see you as like adult E.J. being afraid of mice. I don't love mice. Yeah. Like we get like dead mice in our garage sometimes. It's like a detached garage and they get in there. And I don't lie. Like, I'm not above admitting. Like, I hate having to do it.

I just like seeing them like race around. Like, Oh, I think I. Like they own the books. I remember the pitch of your voice as they were doing that last year. Yeah, you were very clearly perturbed by that. I mean, it was, yeah. They thought off guard at the very least.

When we, when we moved into our, into our house three years ago, we were looking at different preschools for Francis. And we go to this one and it was in an old church. And so we walk in and they show us around. They tore us through. and it's like old stone church. Beautiful building. We're walking through and they're like,

oh, this is where the kid's nap during the day. This is where they do this. Here's the playroom. They're shown up. And something like flies by. And I'm like, what is that? She's like,

the woman like calls her like, Clarence or whatever the guy's table. She's like, the bat's back. Oh, no. Right right into the room where the kids like sleep. And I'm like, yeah,

this is nice, but we're not, we're not coming here. Oh, no. That's very, oh, man. All right, let's move to corner. I have not talked about corners yet,

and I think this is, oh, I guess we talked about Trayvon Dix, but the top of the market here. We've got Nayshan Wright, who had an awesome season, Pro Bowl season for the Chicago Bears. Great story of like just betting on himself, self-improvement, X third round pick of the Cowboys, had not done much and then had this awesome season

for your boy, Dennis Allen, Rand. He goes up against Greg Newsom, who draft pedigree, traded at the end of that contract to the Jags, finished his season there. I would like him to finish the sentence. You know what I mean? Greg Newsome. What did he knew some what? What did he know? Well, what if he's Newsome too? He's the Newsom the second. Yeah, I know, but Greg Newsom too. He knew some too. Oh, that's actually that's pretty good. Man, he just walked right into your like corner. He walked into your shop and just

started selling stuff. Like that, he is the expert in your field now. I mean, let's not No, two-fled. No, I mean, that was great. He just ended. He landed the planet. He played along. Yeah. What do you think about these guys?

My guess is that right is going to have a pretty fair-sized market. Yeah, we've got him projected that for 3.40 and a half with 25 guaranteed. Yeah. And Greg Newsom just 1-11 with 7. Yeah. I think that, and also I think Newsom having played for Jim Schwartz last year, I think that there's, you know, but being discarded. Yes, but

the Eagles, first of all, the Eagles have played the Browns a couple times over Newsom's tenure in the preseason, so they've gotten a chance to seem up close a few times in joint practices. My guess is that there are people in the Eagles building that have Jim Schwartz on speed dial

and are willing to call for a character reference there. I think so, do you? And so, yeah, so I think that when you look at Newsome, I think he's more likely than, especially with Wright's Mark. One of the funniest things at the combine was like, probably five different conversations

people just being like, how about the Eagles just tampering with Jim Schwartz? I mean, they worked for the last defense quarter. That's a good point. Yeah, I think,

I mean, they're not going to, I don't think they're going to be in the nation. He's an awesome player, like fun player to watch. That one interception was like super cool.

But here's my, here's my other question and thing to think about. is the way that Howie has talked about not wanting to do in-season extensions. Yeah. Right? And sort of upsetting the apple cart of paying guys and then, okay, well, why don't you pay me? I would be really surprised if Howie goes out and pays at the top of the market for a young corner.

Because you're then bringing that guy into the room with Quinnian Mitchell and Cooper DeGine, and this is the guy who we're really ponied up for. And of course, I was going to, you know, they're going to pay Quinn Yan and Cooper eventually. But I think it's much more likely that that room is filled out with an old head, like Adori Jackson. Yeah. And or, hopefully both, you know, a guy at the bottom of the market who's young who has a chance to rebound. Yeah. I think there's one player that we'll talk about that I wonder if there's an exception here.

But neither of these guys, I would say. I think there's a price where Newsom would make a lot of sense. Yeah. If his market stagnates, he is like... I like the joint practice point two. Yeah, yeah. So I think there's like a one-year prove-it deal out there for Newsom with the Eagles if he doesn't get some...

Get more elsewhere. So I think he should go through. I think so, too. Newsom moves on. All right, next up. Nick Cross, the safety from the Colts, who is one of the guys who benefits. He is a young.

He will turn 25 next season. A bunch of starting experience with the Colts. Versatile player, right? Inside the box. Bit of a late bloom or two in Indianapolis, which speaks to why investing in young players is a good idea in the draft. Right.

And he's going up against Marshawn Lattimore, who will not count against the compact formula. Has had a real trouble staying healthy the past couple years. Where do you guys see this one going? I think this is pretty easy, but... Really? I don't think they're going to pay for Nick Cross.

Yeah, I was going to defer to Fran here, but it didn't seem like in my research he's a scheme fit. Cross? Yeah. Yes and no. I could see, I could see him fitting.

We've got four fit, but I do. Yeah. That's the thing. 26 guarantee. Paying up for a guy that like you could just kind of see fitting. I felt like, I mean,

Marshawn Latimore has legitimate injury concerns. Like you don't know if he is going to be the same guy. It's kind of like similar to Jair Alexander in a way just in terms of like, you're not sure if this guy's going to play a full season at the level that you would hope that he would based off his name. You would probably take a half season. Right, exactly. So he could be Adory Jackson 2.0, but I say that like you could get first half of the season

of Dory Jackson or you could get second half of the season of Dory Jackson. So, yeah, if you're signing Marshawn Latimore, you're probably signing him with a backup plan firmly in mind or at least with, you know, knowing you need to have a couple of different options at that position. But I still think in this, in this first round, you're putting him through. I think I think Lattimore is precisely the type of play to me like I think a corner is where they go bargain basement shopping I think I think that's the position that's the spot where it would make sense to say hey you know what let's bring a guy in on a one year deal approve a type of deal a guy that we think can step in and start last year's of Dory Jackson if they don't bring a Doree back I think this one makes them to the show him him shout out Kim from Rita's just bring it here bring it on in Yeah.

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Get some hype for him in the chat. Tim is just awesome. Yeah. Kim, everybody. Kim. Kim. Kim is a big fan of the show. Say hi.

Go birds. Love the show. I'm obsessed. I, oh my God. I said something to friend the other day when we were leaving. Yep. And then I went home and I saw that you guys were talking. about it and I literally wrote on Twitter.

I'm like, I swear I was supposed to show. The blocking tight ends. There you go. Shows ball. Tune in tomorrow to see if a blocking tight end wins quacketology. Ooh. Enjoy your mango retas. Yeah, shout out to Ritas.

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I promise I will not be doing anything Like that or What EJ did earlier this week Do you think there's a chance that they That they do at safety Go Make a really big splash No you're stealing my thing

This is my this is going to be my thing. All right. I was going to save it. All right. Fine. We can do it. No.

Let's save it. How about we do it on the other side of the break? No, we're not ready for the break just yet. All right. I'm just going to sit here. Marcel Lattimore moves on over Nick Cross. Now we've got a safety on safety matchup. Cam Curl from the Rams, 27 years old.

We've got him getting $32 million guaranteed. Four for 65. Versatile player. Packs a punch. I do think it's good that his name's not Cam Hitch. Yeah. He's going up against Gino Stone. Geno Stone unturned.

This is Cincinnati Bengals, signed a handsome deal with them two years ago. Yep. From the Ravens and then had to take a pay cut last year, 511-2-10. Hasn't missed a single game the last four seasons. We've only got him projected at 1-5. I think what was Carla projected at? 4-65. Really?

Yeah. Well, like big time. Why? I mean, he's a nice player. I'll be wrong with that. No, I'm 65. That's a lot of money. That's a hefty number.

The fact, the hefty number. Yeah, I think with that, if that's the case, then Stone. Who do you think is a better scheme fit? Uh, I think it's, I think it's pretty close regardless. Um, I think I would be intrigued by curl more in the scheme. He has not been a place. See, the thing is when he was in Washington, uh, and even going back, back to college, Arkansas, like was not known as like a playmaker on the ball.

But if you saw the, you know, late down the stretch this season and was it the playoff game where he had that ridiculous interception, the middle of field late in the game for the Rams. He's got a dimension. I always liked him when he was in Washington. Four for 65. That's yeah, probably probably more a little bit less. Yeah, I think so. But even like yeah. I mean, four. Gino Stone to me is a very high prototype. Now, it's not the draft pedigree. Right.

But just in terms of buying the dip in the stock. Yep. And this is a guy who can still start and has starting experience. Can come in and be the old head too. He's not even that old. He's going to be 27 this year. But the experienced guy with Makuba, I think, I think, you know, something makes a lot of sense.

Yeah. I mean, it's just adding to it even. He grew up in the Pittsburgh area. Like, you know, I feel like there is even that, like, element to it. And I'd say the Eagles always care about, like, local guys. But there's, it's like five hours. away. It's close enough that I feel like it's worth noting.

Grew up in Maine. No, it's a Pennsylvania guy. He knows what it's, knows what it means. Grop in North Carolina in the great state of Pennsylvania. Crazy take. I mean, it's like, I'm not saying it's the draft pedigree or the cohabitation. I think it's,

I think it is still worth noting that he grew up in Pennsylvania. All right. I like a local story. It's a lot. It's all local. All right. Chino Stone moves on. One more matchup before our next break.

Another safety on safety matchup. Jalen Thompson from the Arizona Car, Cardinals, 28 years old. We've got him $11 million a year with 22 guaranteed. And during his eighth season, maybe with Rallis, there's a little bit of scheme. Yeah. Carry over.

He goes up against Aloha Gilman, traded midseason for Odafe Oway to the Baltimore Ravens. A little bit undersized, 510, 201. Could you have a safety tandem of two small guys? Yeah, that was the thing I worried about with Aloha Gilman. Like, that is a very tiny, safety group. What we got for projections on these two?

So Thompson 11 a year and Gilman nine a year. Hmm. Yeah, this is a tough one. I think Thompson, I think the projections are right. I think Thompson probably has the bigger market. I think that Gilman is the ideal, like he gives you solid play, stable, Thompson, probably a little bit more variance, but I kind of like the highs with him a little bit more.

I guess his Thompson is probably more likely to stay in Arizona because they bought Rallis back to Arizona. So let's go Gilman because they had a change in country. I was going to ask you, like, is Jalen Thompson the type of player that, you know, how he goes to Vic and he's like, you know, Reed's going to cost $10 million a year for three years. Is Thompson a player where Vic is like,

if you're going to be paying that, go get Jalen Thompson instead? I think they'd rather just keep Reed. I think if you're going to make that argument, I would say just pay Reed. That's why I think either of these guys probably lose the next round anyway. Yeah. No,

I figured that's where we would go, but I wanted to leave the door open. Like, is there a safety in this cluster that it's like, if you're in that market already, go get that guy instead of Reed. Because I mean, listen, I've been, I've said consistently,

I think Reed's intangible value to the secondary, being able to be like the traffic cop back there is something that they value. But if there's a player with more upside, would you consider them in this market? Yeah, I went into this one and expect. impacting Thompson only because of the two small guys thing. Yeah.

I would still vote for Thompson. The chat likes Thompson. Wait, it says 52. 50. Wow. 50, 50 split. Man. It's up to you.

You get to make the tie. I think I'm going to go to Thompson. I'm sorry for it. I think it's perfect. To me, it's six and half a thousand other. Yeah. All right. Jalen Thompson moves off.

Yeah, neither of them are probably making it past. Second round. Time for our next break. Stay with us on the other side. Jamel Dean against. Malcolm Coontz. Alante Taylor. Brand likes him

Alante. He's involved. Mike Dan, a boy amoffey, C.J. G.J. And the man whose name sounds like a dorm room. Find out who it is. Stick around.

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because that's what we get paid to do. Jamel Dean enters the tournament. Cornerback from the Bucks has missed some time. And also had to take a pay cut last year. Kind of like a Jamel Dean, though. At least two games in all seven of his NFL seasons. So he is not a picture of stability and a much different style of defense that he was playing in.

Correct. How do you think that he would fit in the Vic Vanjo defense because profile-wise, he feels a little bit like a Howie special to me. What is the projection on Jamal Dean? 232, so 16 a year with 18 guaranteed. And how did that compare to Marshawn Latimore? Oh, Marshall Latimore is much less.

Yeah, I would, to me, I mean, Latimore's a little bit older, but it's a similar kind of injury bet. I mean, Latimore has been hurt more, in terms of missed more games in the last two years, but I think that I would rather pay less for the Latimore upside than with Dean where you're paying more. I don't think they're going to be spent a lot of money

a corner would be my read on it. So I think it's less likely. Well, he's going up against Malcolm Coons, who was an interesting profile and last year's free agency was coming off and a completely missed season and then came back this year and was just okay,

but you might think that second year removed, he can do something 28 years old this season. Projection here is like 11 million. a year with not only nine guaranteed. Can we flash up the past rush? Yeah. What was it was it was not pressure?

Hit rate. Hit right. Wordback hit rate. Yeah, that's hits per pass rush snap. Yes. Yeah. I want to see. So where is Kuntz on this list?

He was like halfway now. Between Kalil Mack and Arnold Ebiketti. Okay. And that's really that's that's one season for him because he didn't play two years ago. Yeah. I think he's an intriguing profile. Like he feels kind of like an Eagles player. an Eagles free agent

in the sense that there's theoretical upside you're kind of like you said buying the dip I'm yeah you could talk me into this guy you can definitely hear the Eagles crowd after a Malcolm Coons sack

yeah yeah that's fun and a local guy who played college of Buffalo I'm gonna have to take that one I mean it's just I save drive to I always look in the pro football offense I always look for PA

I'm not saying Pittsburgh is local I should Walk that one back. I see you guys go Coons here. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I would go Coons. All right. Congratulations to Malcolm Coons.

It moves on. And now we close out in this quarter of the bracket with Alante Taylor. My guy. The young corner from the New Orleans Saints, Franz Guy. 27 years old, we are looking at 470 for him, $36 million guaranteed. Did you know that Alante Taylor? leads the league and what I like to call

havoc plays over the past two seasons which is basically every time he touched the ball as a defender so pass breakups, interceptions,

fumble recoveries, fumbles force, all that stuff leads the entire league over the past two seasons but he's going to be pricey. Yeah, he's going up against

Mike Dana who was released by the chiefs and this is someone with very little pass rush upside but he is an edge setter and will not count against the compic formula. 28 years old, and you're looking at like $2 million. So I got something to get off my chest with Alante Taylor here.

We have seen the Eagles sniff around defensive back free agents in the past that maybe would have surprised you, right? Xavier McKinney, Marcus Williams, as examples of like, oh man, I wouldn't have expected them to be in that market for that type of player. Could we potentially see if Jalen Phillips, especially if Jalen Phillips walks? Now listen, the compic game is real here, and it's a big factor. But could we see like, oh, they're not actually going to invest heavily an edge? Maybe Vic Fangio is like pounding the table for a secondary player like Alante Taylor.

I'm not saying I think it's a likelihood, but again, there have been a few times where I've been like, man, I can't believe that they're really like heavily in on these guys. Now, they didn't get either of those guys. But could Alante Taylor be that type of player where the Eagles are surprisingly in his market for some reason? I think that's a fair framing because I think Alante Taylor, you can convince me from Howie's perspective is not, we really want to upgrade at Corner. It's more, we think he's one of like three blue chip players available. Yes. Yeah. And, you know, we're in the business of adding blue chip players. And we think he is that. And if the, if the, if the market is fair enough,

then yes, we're interested. There's enough versatility where you, I mean, you put him and Cooper to Gene in the same secondary. And tell us about the kind of. player yeah uh yeah so he has played outside and inside um and he's been really productive as you mentioned i this is a guy that plays with a lot of aggression and the instincts i really liked him in college coming up uh and then what he's done in new orleans uh he has been a really active physical aggressive instinctive player um yeah to me what was the uh the apy projection or for 70 or for 70 so uh what's that that's 17 and a half yeah that's okay yeah that's kind of where I think. I mean, Paulson Devo got it. He got 18 last year from the same defense. I'll give me the over on the 17 and a half. I bet she makes over what a Debo made last year. Okay. You think Dana makes sense? Or are you doing? I think Dan it makes sense. I mean, it's unsexy, but he, uh, he is similar like in terms of, like, in terms of, like, he's a better rusher. Yeah. You know, I think that in terms of like, lines up outside and early downs could kick inside, give you a little bit of rush from the inside. But, uh, uh,

I mean, BG's been a better player over the course of his career but the same archetype. Dan, it might be more realistic. I just... I think it's fun to think about a long-time-ticking. I think that's... I don't think that's crazy.

I think you're probably right that if they're going to pay more than $7 million for a corner, they might as well look for the one blue chip guy. Yeah. Okay. It would also be a big departure from the way that they build their teams

to invest that heavily in the secondary, especially at the expense of Eddresher. You'd probably be least, even get dressed for the draft if you made that type of movement for agency. To be clear, I would love if they brought in a lot of Taylor, but I would, that would be very surprising for me. Okay. All right.

Next up, we move to the bottom right. Of course, for the graphic. Boye-Moffey, coming off a Super Bowl championship with the Seattle Seahawks 27 years old. People like him, you know, they said the pressure rates high. 473 is the projection here, $35 million guaranteed. Now, he can drop if you look at the, you know, the times, the percentage of times these edge guys are in coverage. He does that a lot.

But like I said before, the actual production of hitting the quarterback is shockingly low from Boya Maffa. He goes up against Mr. Guaranteed Super Bowl run himself, C.J. Gardner Johnson. Probably Maffay, right? You think they would go round three? with C.J. G.J.? No, but I don't think there's any reason for them to be interested in Boy A. Mafei.

It would just be, I don't know. My guess is the ship has sailed. This is like one of those like lifeless 8-9 math. Yeah, this is where it's like, yeah, they're just getting to the second round to get knocked out. I probably lean Mafei. It would shock me if they resign C.J. Gartor Johnson. It's like the most like UAB versus Northwestern 8th. March Madness.

I'm taking CJ. Yeah? Yeah. I just don't think there's any reason for them to pay at the top of the market for Boye Hamaf. That's not a how he meant. I agree, but I just, I also think that there is a lot of evidence that they would not bring C.J. Gardner Johnson back for a third time. All right.

You get to break the tie. Give me Mafei. All right. Boya Mafe moves on. Next up. The dormitory. That's right. Logan Hall.

I lived there freshman year. Logan Hall from the Tampa Bay Bucks, inside outside of versatility. We got him at 13 million guaranteed, 325. He goes up against a player that I am intrigued by and want to hear what Fran has to say about Jaquan Brisker, the safety from the Chicago Bears.

A bit of a concussion history. He missed a bunch of the season two years ago. Yep. You know, you take that into account. Yeah. But he's going to be 27 years old. $13 million a year is what we're looking at here, essentially.

Local kid from, right outside Pittsburgh. But I think you're looking at, you're never going to live that down. Brisker, Brisker's a good player, but the, the durability is the,

that's the concern. Because I know in talking with people from Chicago, from Chicago last year, that was like a long term like, I don't know if we're going to be able to count on him. You know, and obviously he was healthy this year, thankfully.

But that, that's a concern. So I think that honestly will probably affect his market. Yeah, it might affect his market enough that. how it comes swooping it. Yeah, I was going to say sometimes it is instructive to go back and look at, you know,

if these guys played in the Pennsylvania area, just kidding. If they have been on a, if they went for a pre-draft visit with the Eagles. Yeah. And Jaquan Brisker checked the deco-habitation matrix box in my spreadsheet because of the fact that he had a pre-draft visit with the team

and he has the draft pedigree. So he kind of checks the boxes that we like to check for the Eagles, but yeah, I don't know if I don't have a big spreadsheet. spreadsheet. Run away with it. Let's take a look. I haven't seen the sheet. Oh, there's colors.

The guys I was intrigued by. Okay. Positions. I mean, they offered the spreadsheet offered this for me. The spreadsheet offered. Oh, so you listed AI on your, oh, is that AI?

Oh, no. Now Bose out. Give it a great out of 10. Gemini asks what a spreadsheet. I thought it was, I thought it was fine. It's good. It looks good.

I had some color coding in here, too. You know, draft guide. I look at that. Yeah, that looks good. Logan Hall, he's like a, he's big, explosive, not nuanced in terms of, like, overall pass rush plan. He's like a pocket pusher, like, in terms of, I'm just going to run right through you kind of deal.

Probably brisker for me. Brisker? Yeah. No, I haven't even kissed you yet. De Quine Bricker moves on. All right. Time to take our last break. On the other side, you know what we do.

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another Super Bowl champion. Kobe. Kobe Bryant. Seattle Seahawks, 27 years old. Projection here is 3 for 36, so 12 a year, 24 guaranteed,

pretty down the middle. And as you see there in the notes, E.J., maybe Mike Sealski will write a book about him. It's a great book. Shout out Mike Sealski. He goes up against his teammate. Former Eagle.

Josh Joe. Josh Job, looking at like $10 million a year, $2.28 guaranteed, potentially? What could have been? Not necessarily a playmaker. We know Josh Job well, but physical, sticky enough. Can you find Josh Job in the draft? They didn't, well, they probably been. Undrafted.

Yeah, my guess is, again, I think that he is probably too rich for, even though he checks the cohabitation matrix box. My guess is that he's a little bit too rich of a market for the Eagles to jump back in on. And also, I think he probably is worth more to Seattle than to anybody else. My guess is they wouldn't bring Rick Wollen back. And so you're bringing Josh Lowe back instead. That's my read on it, though. Yeah, I agree with that.

You're like a Kobe Bryant? I like a Kobe Bryant. Yeah, a former college corner at Cincinnati played opposite sauce gardener out there, local school Cincinnati. And I think when you're looking at Kobe Bryant, he is your, he's like tall, long,

obviously you have the corner background, but he's physical too. I like him. He's probably like more low-end starter. You probably would rather have like high-end backup, you know, in an ideal sense, but I mean,

played well for a good defense here. There's a former Eagles corner that I'm more interested in than Josh Job. Hmm. Okay. A little teasy tease. All right. So Kobe Bryant moves on.

Good for Kobe Bryant. Jalen Watkins. I guess former Eagles Corner. She's in Wachens. Good pull. Iron Max. All right. Next up, another safety.

Brian Cook from the Kansas City Chiefs will be 26 this year. 26 million guaranteed. Three for 40 is what we're looking at. Now, I mean, this guy is tall. 6-9. 234. Over the course of his nine NBA seasons had five and a half points per game and 2.6 rebounds per game.

Question is at 45 years old, if he walked. He goes up against Arnold Ebucketti. The Atlanta Falcons, 27 years old. I think displaced a little bit by the picks that they made last year, which you can talk yourself into the reason that his playing time went down a little bit, can drop in coverage a little bit. market looking like eight or one-year deal or something like that by guaranteed maybe.

I actually think Ebucketti makes a lot of sense for the Eagles. Yeah, pre-draft is a guy. Pre-draft is a guy, right? Yeah. He feels very like the concept, the process of Ziz-Ojolari. Yeah, feels very similar. One-year deal. This is a guy who has not been in an advantageous situation in Atlanta,

and you kind of feel like you might be able to get more out of him in his second stop. I think the I was listening to a show recently and they made a good point a lot of times you can I'm trying to remember who made the point it's all watching over me

at this point but the when a new regime comes in new coach and GM come in more likely that a talented player may shake loose from that organization maybe they don't have enough time

to be able to bring them back you know and so that he would certainly check that box as well with Atlanta having a full regime change down there and any thoughts on a Brian Cook I thought he was just okay in the last couple of years and he was solid this past year from what I saw

not particularly moved my guess is that he will sign a contract that like two years from now the team would want to go back on would be my guess so if I had to guess the outcome there I think Abiketti has a chance to make a deep run here yeah I do that's my two cents Abiketti makes sense next up we stay in the chief's secondary

you've got the big Duffy trade, you got Brian Cook, now you got Jalen Watson. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Jalen Watson. 27 years old, 343 is our projection here, 28 million guaranteed. Tough scheme projection, probably. Only one year as a full-time starter. I feel like hard to justify what the market seems like it's going to be.

He goes up against the guy who could have been Jalen Hertz. That's right. In the shadow draft in 2020, paired with Justin Jefferson, Gabe Davis. Gino Stone. AJ Epinessa. A.J. Epinessa, 27 years old. Not a high ceiling as an edge rusher, but bring some good competency as a run defender.

Lunch pale kind of player. Yep. You're looking at like $5 million a year. If that, what do you think? I really like Epinessa here. I think that that one makes a lot more sense. I think you're looking at similar-ish kind of reasoning for all the things we talked about with Epicady.

He's got inside outside. versatility, which they will like. I think he can play against the run, which they will like. I think with Watson, I agree with you that the scheme was very important for him in Kansas City. He is a taller, more physical, like press type of corner in terms of like the size physicality, but really question the speed. I didn't love, I haven't loved what I've seen from Watson.

So, yeah, I would go with Epinesta. Thank you. It feels like Epinessa is a. do do do the guy whose name is epine... I bethatured that. I threw you off. Girl from Epinema, a guy named Epinessa. That's pretty good.

Epinessa feels like the type of player, Vigfanchio would be like, yeah. Definitely have a role for him. Yeah. Nicole. I like it. Congratulations to Epinessa. Hopefully, well, you know,

the second round on Friday, we can redo the girl from Epinema. You can practice to actually get some music this time. Corner on corner matchup. Next. Another Kobe. Kobe Durant from the St. Louis Rams. Los Angeles Rams, 28 years old.

22 guaranteed. How good can he be if the Rams were just willing to part with the first round pick to go get Trent McDuffie? But he does have good ball skills, seven interceptions over the course of his career. He goes up against Montaric Brown, former seventh round pick, who earned a starting job by the end of the season with the Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm not so sure he's a Howie type. I don't know that either of these guys are necessarily,

but what do you think? To me, the Durant one is more likely, but it would need to be a situation similar to the Ojalari one last year where the market is not as hot on him as what the talent might dictate or just because he was perceived down year,

gave up some big plays down the stretch. Look, and maybe I'm in the back for him a little bit because I loved him in college, but even in the NFL, watching him. He's got ability. You'd mention the ball skills, the instincts, he's tough, but it's different when you are like the number one corner. And like it's like, oh, like this is the guy that our number one receivers matched up on him. And now you go into a secondary where now you're, you're not necessarily that guy. I think it would be a good

situation for him, but the money I think would be important there. Okay. Because I, again, I don't think they're going to spend a lot of money at that spot. You want to move on. You want to push forward Kobe Durant. I like that. You sold me for him. Okay. You sold me. Now, this is one that I think we've got to settle in on because frankly, I think both of these guys have, this is a first round matchup where both teams have a chance to win it all. Yeah. Oh. That's how I feel.

I'm going to start with the edge guy. Okay. Someone who we have talked about. Bradley Chubb. Now, Bradley Chubb obviously makes a lot of sense. Yeah. In a Jalen Phillips Leaves world, you want to protect the pick.

You can sign a player who's not quite as good, not quite as high upside, but can give you approximate representation. is not going to count against the compic formula going to be 30 years old, has played for Vic Fanjo. There's familiarity there. Played for Vic Fanjo twice in two different spots.

It makes a lot of sense. And you're now getting him the second year off of the torn ACL. We're not quite there yet. He goes up against another player with some Vic Fangio connection. And if you want to find a way for the Eagles to stay cheap at corner

but get some real upside, 27-year-old Cater Cahoo! who was coming off a torn ACL in July. So he missed the entirety of a 2025 season has a little bit of inside outside flex. I think both of these guys have some legs. Do you think Kahoo has inside outside flex or is he mostly a slot corner?

I have the snaps. You have? 453 snaps at slot corner and 187 at outside corner in 2024. I'm not saying you can't play outside corner. I'll defer to Fran on that one. But I do think that that, You have to ask yourself that question

if you're going to sign him is whether or not does that mean the Cooper de Gene is moving outside? I don't think Cooper's moving on... But if he shows up and he's awesome, then maybe figure it out. I mean, it could be one of those things

where Vic Fangio is like, yeah, I know I played him in the slot, but I know he can play outside. So we're going to put him outside and he'll be fine and we're buying the dip there. If you want to find out the resolution to this very difficult matchup, you've got to come.

Click on over to all. p.hly.com for overtime. Go ahead. That's a tough one. It was a devious of you to pit these two against each other in the first round. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't say, did you, did you go random?

Did you? No, I did there, all their projected guarantees. Oh, you said them off the guarantees. Got it. Okay, I actually didn't put that together. Eileen Chub here. Really? Yeah, Eileen Chub.

I think with Coho, just because of the, the question, the, the information that we don't know in terms of how Vic Fangio perceives him. If he is a nickel only, then I don't think he has a home here. The only thing I would say on the other side of the argument is what percentage are you putting on Jalen Phillips actually leaving in free agency? Because if they resign Jalen Phillips, I mean, it doesn't take them out of the Bradley Chubb market, but we've got a lot of edges here.

Yeah, it's a, here because of the possibility that they don't resend you. Right. It's more, there's fewer things that have to happen. for them to be interested in co-ho. I guess the big thing is, what is more likely, and we don't know, what is more likely that Jalen Phillips leaves or that Vic Fangio thinks he can play out,

this guy can play outside? Because that's where we're out in terms of like picking who's likely to move to the next round. But I don't even think that it needs to be, he thinks he can play outside. It can be, this guy's available for a million dollars. I don't think he'll be a vet. I think he was he was set to get a decent payday,

like a pretty good payday had he stayed healthy. Like my guess is if he's not coming off the ACL, you're looking in the $10 million bucket for. Well, and also frankly, if you're going to have a be coming off a season ending injury, an ACL in July is about the best possible thing coming off of. I mean, Nate Hobbs just got 12 million. Marcus Jones just got just under 12 million.

Michael Carter got 10 million, two years ago. Coho was going to get north of 10 million if he's healthy. So, like, I don't think he's going for one and a half. I think he's going to get, like, five. Okay. I think you're right. I think the outside skepticism is probably enough.

So, okay. Let's go with Chubb. I was playing devil's action. But, yeah. Jeff moves on. One more matchup to go. What's so funny? I don't know what you're talking about.

What? I don't know. I think about Bradley erect, but, you know. Oh, geez. Please. It's overtime. It's so quiet in there. Last matchup.

O'Defay away. Away we go. 488. 22 million a year. The guarantee we're looking at here. 44 guaranteed total. Probably going to be more than that. Yeah.

a man who once played a trick on a young cub reporter, Rassul Douglas, who will be 31 years old in this season. I like a Rissal. I think it's intriguing. Yeah. I think in this exercise especially, I could see it. I do think it's more likely than O-Way, because I think O-Way is going to be one of the highest-paid targets in free agency,

and it gets back to the conversation of, well, do you think, O-Way has a bigger market than Jalen Phillips, I think? I don't think so. And so that's why I don't really see the path where they don't sign Jalen Phillips but then they sign away. Right, right. I agree.

So you're saying, I think Phillips will be paid more. I do. All right. Well, then, yeah. So then, okay. But I don't think it's going to be that much more. So let's say Phillips is making his decision solely off money, right?

He's like, all right, there's a walkaway number that the Eagles are not willing to get to this point. So I'm going to wherever. I'm going to Washington. And by the way, have you seen the commanders have like resigned three defensive linemen over the past 48 hours? Right. It's like, got to make sure we lock up this crew again. Like, great work you're doing there, Adam Peters.

Amen. Well, yeah. But so then. So, all right. So they don't bring back Phillips. but that's a good number for O-Way and always like, oh, this is a good organization. You don't see a path there

where they can make that work? And they're skipping over Chubb to do this. That would be the thing, yeah. And do you think Vic Fangio is an O-A guy? O-A-O-A-W-A. Something for that. I think so, yeah. He's not like a past rush merchant type of player.

Pass rest of immersion I like that O way, away shout out Moana So you're going OA over Rassol here I'm just making the argument Okay I probably lean Roussel

I think I would go Roussel too I think I would I don't think they're going to bring back Rasul but more likely than O'A I think so Yeah and I think Rassul could be

this year's Adori Jackson Sure I just realize that if they resign Rassol You're going to make me relive this moment that I had with Roussel Douglas I mean, I honestly wasn't going to But now that you doubled down

There was a lock of the century What do you mean? What do you mean? Like I was going to go up to Rasul and Yeah, you're going to like Kill me I don't think I would have done that I don't think I would have done that You would have done something

I'm always going to do something Exactly Fine, it's fine I'm just saying Now I have to think about that Soel You know Russell Douglas What?

You're one with Rousoul? Yeah, I think Rousel is one. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Hussle Douglas. That means first round's over. First round's done.

Wow. So many upsets. So many memories. So many memories. And look at that. Lindsay's on. You've got a crack. Wow.

So. Look at that. Coming up tomorrow on the defensive side of the bracket. Trayvon Diggs against Quitty Pay. Greg Newsom against Marshawn Latimore. Gino Stone against Jalen Thompson, Malcolm Coontz against Alante Taylor. And you've got Boye-Mafay against Chiquan Brisker, Kobe Bryant against Arnold Ebiketti,

AJ Epinessa against Kobe Durant and Bradley Chubb against Rasul Douglas. We'll find out who makes it to the final four from those guys. And they'll be going up against the offensive group. Isaiah likely, Adam Troutman, Charlie Kohler, Zach Ertz, Jimmy Garoppolo, Elijah Verit Tucker, Kendrick Bourne, Romeo Dobbs, Diami Brown, David & Jokouk, Brandon Cooks, Marquess, Markis, Brown, Chigo, Concoe, Greg Dulcich, Jonah Williams.

and co-keef. Anybody on the offense is like interesting to you, Rand, since you were not with us yesterday. I know he's going to say. All the blocking tight ends. Co-keefed.

Charlie Kohler. All those guys. Yeah. You feel, I think I'm higher on. Chubb for Charlie Kohler? What's that? You feel a Bradley Chippe for Charlie Kohler?

I was, you guys not liking, Kate Otten was, Kate Atten called a lot of, like Kate Otten's listening to the pod on his way to the gym, and he's like, I'm excited.

He's so funny. And he's, man, they really hate me. I don't hate him. Do you think, I mean, I don't know.

I think he's a player. I'll be interested to see what his numbers look like. Yeah. I don't think he's going to get like huge, huge numbers. I think he's going to get like 16, 17. I don't know why you would do that and not just, not just bring back out of for a year.

Well, yeah, that's why we talked about that Tuesday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. If Dallas wants that. Yeah, true. Bryce.

All right. Anything else? Shout out to Kim in the chat. Thanks for the readers. Thanks to Kim from readers. From readers. From Reuters. Unraveling fast.

I have a little trivia. You talked about one guy being 6-9. Who's the tallest current NFL player right now? Daniel Fala Lele Wrong I think I think it used to be Alejandro Villanueva

Do you want to give you a division AFC South The Jaguars Colvays in King Dunlap No There's a player I have comp The King Dunlap in this class Really?

Yeah Markle Bell from Miami Huge NFC North NFC North Oh no, you're not going to say Dan Skipper, are you? He's retired. Oh, no. It says as the 20, well, the next season started yet.

So, yeah. Still in 2025. So we'll be file lately, right? Might be. Yeah. Well, we don't know. He could retire too. He could retire.

He could train one. Yeah. The new season hasn't started yet, right? That's Monday at noon. It's fair. Dan Skipper. He retired and then literally that day was coaching down at the shrine bowl. No, really.

Yeah. I was trying to get the coaching. Some guesses in the chat for. Do you know the tallest player ever? Jordan Milata. Tallest player ever. There was a, there was like a stunt guy who was signed like as a joke, not as a joke, but like as a gimmick to like potentially try to block kicks.

Is that the, is that the guy it is? This is somebody who played for the Raiders in 1967. Oh. Six-seven. Hmm. I got nothing. Yeah. Richard Sly.

Seven foot. Nothing sly about that, my man. Yeah, seven foot, 300 pound defensive tackle. Seven foot. There's one player on the Eagles roster that's tied Jordan Milata for being the tallest on the roster.

Do you know who it is? Fred Johnson. Nope. Cameron Williams. No, you're close. Miles Hinton. No. Still close.

You're in the neighborhood. He's a nice guy. Very nice. I can rule out a few people that you was nice guys in that cluster nobody just tell you Jordan Milata

he's tied with Jordan Milata yes Colin Pierce yeah yeah nice guy true local guy from Trenton I like that

I like that I like to take that Pittsburgh's local but trend's not that that brings up a debate of like is it just north jersey and south jersey is there a central jersey comment if you think there's a central jersey or not you heard the you heard the woman comment if you think there's a central jersey just comment central jersey and stay tuned tomorrow two o'clock what else you got to do find out you can tune in tomorrow tomorrow two o'clock and then you can just skip next week. No, you can't skip next week.

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