PHLY Philadelphia Eagles Podcast - Fran Duffy explains how Jalen Carter dominated and Vic Fangio flummoxed Lamar Jackson | PHLY Sports

Episode Date: December 3, 2024

It’s Film Review Tuesday, so Fran Duffy is in studio to tell us about the impressive performances by Jalen Carter, Zack Baun, Quinyon Mitchell, Tristin McCollum, Jordan Davis, Milton Williams and Nolan Smith as the Eagles defense shut down Lamar Jackson and the high-powered Ravens offense. Plus, why Jalen Hurts did what was asked of him on offense and the offensive line pulled out a new trick to spring Saquon Barkley for his game-winning touchdown.Zach Berman also has the latest from the coordinators as he, Fran and Bo Wulf bat around the pressing Eagles topics, which include Emmanuel Forbes for some reason. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Hello, everybody and welcome to the PHLY Eagles podcast presented by Bet365. Download the Bet365 app and use code PHY365 when you sign up. Never the moment. It's never ordinary at Bet365. Anything else you guys want to do before we got started? I like the comment in the chat that says we're starting just like the Eagles in the first quarter. Hopefully we can bounce back the same way. How are you guys doing?

Doing great. Yeah, it's a fun start to the show. We got a lot of stuff to cover today. So I'm excited. Just like the Eagles secondary. How are you doing, Zach? Excited for the show. Doing well.

Eager to hear what Fran thinks of that Ravens game. Eager to discuss the latest news and updates with the Eagles. And I always enjoy talking to you, Bo. I like that jacket. Thank you. And always going to appreciate that, actually. It's a very nice jacket. Thank you.

That's all. We're going to get into Emmanuel Forbes now or later. I'll do it later. I just want to say regarding that, though, we'll do it later. that this is not written this is not written off yet I mean he could still get to 50 starts yeah it could get to 50 starts

they're not giving out roster spots just for charity right they they have draft grades too yeah I mean I would I would if the Rams had not claimed him I feel pretty certain the Eagles would have claimed him I mean it's exactly up their alley they love scooping up the first round pedigree

guys don't you think I don't know what their draft Eval was on him coming out. I know what mine was. We all know what yours was. But I don't think they're looking to add corners at this moment. I think there's if there was a first round tight end who was cut somewhere, they would scoop that guy. I'm feeling better and better every day about my prediction that the Eagles were going to add trade for Kyle Pitts this offseason. I actually, from memory serves, I'm going to check it.

I'm pretty sure I had Eli Ricks one slot ahead. of one slot ahead of Emmanuel Forbes. That's good picking. So the tight end update for those watching, according to Jeff McLean from the Inquirer, this is going to be a multi-week injury. This is going to be something that could land him on injured reserve. It will be the Dallas Goddard. It will be this, thank you.

Good job there. It will be the second absence of the season for Dallas Goddard, second extended absence of the season for Dallas Goddard. Goddard's been a solid tight end when he's been out there. You saw the Saints game. He was perhaps the best game of his career. But he hasn't been able to stay healthy. And the Eagles are already thin at that position.

They waived Paris Campbell yesterday. And they waive Paris Campbell because they're going to need a roster spot for a tight end regardless, right? They were out of practice spot elevations for C.J. Usama and E.J. Jenkins. And so regardless of whether Goddard goes on IR or not, they need more tight end, they need another tight end on the roster. So Jack Stoll is on the Dolphins active roster right now, right? Yeah, although he's very, he's inactive on the Dolphins' active roster. So I don't think that move worked out for either team. Well, I don't think they, I mean, it's not like they claimed him to throw him into the starting lineup right away.

True. I just don't. It's too early to say that it hasn't worked out for the Dolphins. They just placed a waiver claim. It's not like they traded for them. I should say it didn't work out for either side because Jack Stoll would have a bigger role here. Well, Jack Stoll gets to live in Miami. I mean, he wasn't really playing much here either.

I guess he was playing a little bit. I would rather live in Philadelphia than Miami. I know you're a big Florida guy, but... Well, I would, but I don't know. If you're a traveling mercenary, just like, you know, a transient player, might be nice to have a couple months in Miami, especially in the winter.

I would venture to guess Jack Stoll would prefer being here. I think that's probably right. Ladies and gentlemen, we have Jack Stoll on the line to tell us. That would be a get. By the way, did you see, We had Cooper the Gene on the Anthony Gargano show today. How about that? Check that out.

Check that out. That'll do it for this episode of the H.O.I. What else news-wise is going on, Zach? Before we get into Fran breaking down how the Eagles were able to flummox Lamar Jackson and how the Eagles were able to be opportunistic on offense, what's the news of the day? We spoke to the coordinators today. Vic Vanjou said if you have... Hold on very quickly.

Do you think it will be Uzama or do you think it will be J. Jenkins? I think it's going to be you Zama. Better Blocker. Do you disagree? I disagree he's a better player, but I think that... No, I said Blocker. Yeah. I wasn't disagreeing with you.

Oh, okay. Yeah. You said you disagree he's a better player. Yeah, I was actually going to finish the sentence. I wonder what that feels like. I have a splitting headache. The tech is not working. I got this golf.

You know what? You've got to play through pain. Yes. It's not about who's toughest. It's about who's toughest longest. Well said. I agree. I disagree with the notion that C.J.

Uzama is a better player than E.J. Jenkins. But I agree that the Eagles tend to lean toward the veteran with the low upside in these situations. So I think you are probably right. I think they're probably looking more for a type than for the player, is my guess. They're probably looking for someone who can be that in-line, tight end. And I think Uzama fits that better than Jenkins. Although earlier this year, they did go to Jenkins there. I think you could also flip it.

Like, you could play Calcatera in 11. And then in 12, you let DJ Jenkins be the move guy and Kakatera do the fullback stuff that he's been doing. Uzama had a couple nice reps as a move blocker in this game. Had a really good pancake on a counter-run play where he was the lead blocker for Sequin in the hole and got the guy on the ground. So he's doing some, he did some good things.

Maybe they're going to bring Albert O back. I wouldn't rule anything out. He's available. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, I've been thinking about, I mean, this Eagles defense is so good. Can you imagine how good they're going to be when they get James Bradbury back? I love how you harp on the roster minutia, right?

You don't think he's coming back? Yeah. He was in Alabama last week. I know that. He did. He had a very nice charity event down in Birmingham. Well, how do you know? I saw it on Instagram.

Okay. So I assume it's true. I don't think... Everything you see on Instagram is true. Not everything, but yeah, so we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. It reminds me of the Dodgers were in the World Series this year, and Andrew Friedman is doing his press conference,

and he gets a question about the international bonus pool, and he's like, seriously, we're doing this now, right? the Eagles are 10 and 2. We'll see. Although I was thinking about what's going on with Bradbury, because I asked Nick Siriani last Tuesday, actually around this time last Tuesday,

about his policy for traveling injured players and having injured players around. I've spoken to James Bradbury here and there in the locker room, but Bradbury is not a player whose presence, you don't see him on the sideline, you don't see him in the locker room

as often as some other injured players. So, yeah, he's a little different situation here. Okay. But you are right. Could use the roster spot. Yeah, Eagles could have used that roster spot. All right. How's Domen, Don't in, you know.

He's a young player. Just like Forbes. Worth keeping on to. Go ahead. What else where? The coordinators. The coordinators. Vic Fangio says, if you have any ideas,

if you have any ideas for how to get holding calls on or against Gallant Carter, he's open to it. He says there was one play that was. that was very blatant holding call the other day that that wasn't called. His antenna is definitely up there. And then he, I asked him like what, what stat he looks for is like an indication of the team's success. And he says, you can't look at the season long stats. Every game is a different story.

So I said in this Rams game, I'm sorry, in this Ravens game, what jumped out? I had Forbes on my mind. They had man on my mind, right? I said Rams. And he said in that game, it was third downs. And he said the times that they were able to get them the third down, they didn't get them the third down on that opening drive, really. He said, but when they were able to get them on third down,

they were able to get off the field. And he thought the third down was real critical in that game. As it was in the Rams game. That's the same thing. They couldn't get them to third down on those first two drives. Yeah. Okay. How about Kellyn Moore?

Yeah, Kellyn Moore didn't that? It was typical. You know, they're working at it. He was asked at one point if he's considered not having an opening script at all. And he kind of laughed. He said, we've looked at everything. Going full of stanza, just doing the opposite? The person asking the question said, I don't mean to be cute.

It's just, you know, like this is something that's not working. He says, like, they've really looked a lot at, at the opening script of games. And so this clearly is something that we should monitor to see what changes. He obviously likes the way that Jaywin Hertz is playing. That was one takeaway from that. So, yeah, I didn't get as much from him. It was interesting speaking to Michael Clay.

He went more in depth on Braden Mann and, like, how well Braden Man's been punning. And Braden Man has some of these funny punting. when they're pinning them back or specialty punts that makes it hard to field. He spoke about Britton Covey, the same thing Nick Siriani said, about the hidden yardage of Britton Covey making those catches. He wants to clean up the penalties. He said, you know, Keely Ringo's penalty there really cost Braden Mann from having like every punt inside the 20, basically.

And so they need to clean up the penalty. He said some of the costs you might not agree with. but the one where he hit the returner was very clear. But, yeah, he was really impressed with Braden Manning. So he didn't think the running out of bounds one was? He didn't specify which one he disagreed with. So I don't think it was the Levato one. I think the Levato one was like a last stitch attempt to avoid a block.

Yeah. Okay. All right. Let's get some enthusiasm here. Go ahead. Let's be jacked up. Come on. It's a Tuesday show.

We got a friend in the house. I love a Tuesday show. It's like Brandon Graham says. You've got to bring the good juju. And sometimes if you don't have it, you have to manufacture it. Okay. So take it away. I'm just trying to bring some energy to the show.

I feel like it's a, we're, I feel like we can do more on the energy scale right now. If there's the decibel meter at the game, This is a road game, and they have on the screen, this is like a Jimmy Kemsky Pepi, the decibel meter. The decibel meter. Yeah, I feel like our decibel meter can be higher right now. That's not what the decibel meter is just. I understand it's volume.

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All right, let's get down to business. The Eagles had their best win of the season on Sunday, one of the best wins of the season in the NFL. Let's talk about the defense because that's the big story here, the way that they were able to corral the best offense in football. and let's do it through the prism of the Ace Hardware Temperature Check, friend, because I want to talk about Jalen Carter.

So let's take a look at which player he's heating up or cooling off with our Ace Hardware Temperature Check. Visit Ace Hardware Home Services online at www.orgatehardwarehomeservices.com to get started on your next project. You and I agreed that the first half of the season, Jalen Carter was playing well. He was the best player on the defensive line. Yep.

But it was not quite to the level that we were expecting coming into the season with our expectations sky high, that this guy was going to be a contender for a defensive player of the year. The last three weeks, he has been a menace. And in this game, you know, we've seen lots of clips about like all the holds that could have been called. He was dominating this game. When you watched the film, what jumped out to you about the ways in which he was able to dominate? Yeah, I think you see the things that we've come to expect, which is that quickness off the ball, the violence in his hands, the ability to win with power. What are you smiling at like that over there?

Friends analysis, I love it. What is going on? Our friend Grandpa is in the chat, and he said, came here just to say, I can't get over Zach asking Bo. Are there a lot of songs you know the lyrics? I was thinking that was kind of a ridiculous question to ask. You know, when it's written out like that, when, you know, it's, if you see the transcript of yourself speaking, and you say, good, I say goodness, isn't that, like, that's the early common thing, you know? Are there a lot of poems, you know, the words, too? You know, are there a lot of movies you can quote.

Yeah, so good job, good job, Grant. Yeah, it was pretty good. I see you just sitting there. Just like doofy smile on your face. Sorry, I shouldn't be watching the show during the show. But my eyes are getting worse, and I can't always read the comments. Not the same way, yeah. Yeah, so I had the screen in front of me.

I saw Fran do it, and I'm like, well, if Fran can do it, I should be able to do it, too. All right, go ahead. The Ace Hardware temperature trick. Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter. Jailen Carter. Good player. Yeah.

Ace Hardware Home Services. I do have some screen grabs. Julia, if you want to go to the Jalen Carter set, look, I am not someone that will sit and complain after watching a game, watching the film back and saying like, oh, like the refs were terrible this week. You know, they missed this call, this call, this call, this call. I just think that that's part for the course. That's the price of doing business. So when you have, you know, the humans that are not perfect that are going to referee these games. That said, yeah, like there are a handful of plays where it's very clear that Jalen Carter is getting held.

And I wonder which ones that Vic Fangio felt were the most egregious. Julia, you can just kind of, I don't feel like I need to like point through each of these, but you can just kind of basically see like, all right. This one is bad. This one is bad, but they're actually, I think this is the worst one. I think the third, he is literally horizontal with the ground as the offensive line. I think that's what Vic was referring to because they talk about him being on the ground. Yeah, so this was one where it's a pass out to the right, and Lamar Jackson, it's a completed pass, and, I mean, Jalen Carter got mugged at the line of scrimmage.

And there were just a handful where you look at. Now, I know there were some accounts that, like, posted, you know, 15 of them, whereas, like, they're... Sure, you could call on, yeah. Yes, and you could point to different screen grabs and say, like, oh, this looks like it's a hold. That's just, that's what it looks like in the trenches. And it's just the, it's the accumulation. It's crazy that there are 15 that you could say this could be called in any play. Right.

And not a single one of them was. Yeah. To me, my takeaway was, number one, we're seeing him doubled at a higher rate now than what we saw earlier in the season. And when he is not doubled, guys are just that they're hanging on for dear life to try and block him one-on-one. Like, that's, to me, is just the, it's an indicator of how well he's playing right now. Do you also see him handling the doubles better? I would look at the numbers. I don't think that the numbers would say that.

And I think he's doing a fine job with handling the doubles. And he's still, you know, splitting. and he's probably handling the ones in the run game better than ones in the past game. I would be my guess anecdotally, but about what you would expect. Well, actually, let me follow up on that because so much of what we are looking at with Jalen Carter is when he's dominating as a pass rusher. I mean, he made the TFL and that awesome play on the end of the end of round to Zay Flowers. But how is he just in run defense right now?

I think he's actually, honestly, I think he's more dominant in the run game than he is as a pass rusher. The pass rush clips are awesome, but I think he's consistently dominant in the run game. And look, to me, that's what you want from these guys is to be really dominant in the run game and then show those high upside plays as the, you know, getting after the quarterback. And that's kind of where he's at right now. At times can get moved by a double team at the point of attack in the run game. But overall, I think he holds his ground really, really well. Again, he's so violent with his hands.

He's really strong. He can change the line of scrimmage. I think his block attention and block awareness is pretty impressive. for a young player. He was able to wrap up and finish tackles at a high level for a guy inside. So, yeah, I really think that he's a dominant run defender with the ability to be a dominant pass rusher at any given moment. Yeah, Vic Fangio's quote was, like he said, there was one play in particular where he was grossly held and pulled to the ground and there was no call. So yes, I don't know what we can do about it.

My question to you, Jimmy Kamski, I'll outline this going into the game, how the Ravens were flagged the most. in the league for holding on the interior, right? And I do wonder, you heard this often with the Seahawks back during the Legion of Bumera, that they're going to, they're going to, like, hit you on every play, basically, because the ref's not going to call whatever play. Do you think there's some validity to that, that some teams are like, you know what, let's try holding them often because they're not going to throw a flag every single time we do this?

I'm sure there are some players that probably feel that way. My guess is that's probably not the edict from the coaching staff, and everybody top down. But I think that there's probably a little something to it, depending on the player. Yeah, I just think it's one of those things where John Ferrari and the people working with him and the Eagle staff, like you're going into a game.

You understand, like, hey, this is a team that holds a lot, you know, that gets flag. They've got all the numbers in terms of how often guys are flagged. You report to the officiating crew before the game and say, hey, this is what we see. We just want to make sure you guys are alert of it. So, you know, in this game, they didn't get enough of those calls that went their way. Is this like the level that you were expecting from Jaila and Carter?

Yeah, probably I would say like a little bit more as a rusher, but what we've seen the last couple weeks, I mean, that's kind of what we expected, I think, coming in. It's hard for me to do. I know we keep talking about it, but the amount of snaps that he's playing, I mean, I'm just, I'm not used to a defensive tackle playing this many snaps. And the fact that, like, this jump in dominance for him over the past three weeks or so has coincided with him playing, like, 99% of the defensive snaps is just, it's bewildering. It's so impressive. I also think, I thought that this was watching the film back on Monday morning. A lot of the holding, you know, the quote-unquote holding calls, like, were late in the game. And honestly, like, when you watch Jalen Carter, he's so good through contact, as he was starting to kind of lose gas a little bit late in the game, the hold, the hold starts.

to look a little bit more blatant because he was a little bit slower fighting through like me hold on you you know what I mean so like the jersey held on a little bit longer because he was not as sudden not as explosive getting through it I thought that was something that showed up too interesting okay good break down thanks for the temperature check go to ace hardware homeservices.com to get started on your next project in conjunction with Jailen Carter yeah a lot of questions about Jordan davis in this game and the impact I know that you wrote about that which by the way I I've got a little bit of time left. If you want to become a diehard, best deal you're going to get $36 for the year. Franz's full breakdown is on the site. You can read it without any nonsense from the two of us on the other side of him. So maybe that's more your cup of tea. Become a diehard. Go ahead. I wanted to say, too, speaking of being a diehard, one of the best parts about being a diehard, you get to join our Discord community. And I went on the Discord on Monday morning first thing and solicited it for everybody to, if you had one of the best, plays to be broken down or topics to be discussed here on this show to make sure you submit it. So Dan Damico, he wanted the Jalen Carter stuff.

Jamie Lynch was on there and wanted some of the Jamie Lynch. This is awesome. Michael B asked about Jordan Davis, so that's what I figured we want to make sure we hit on him as well. It's always hard to find. Is it Discord? Is it Datcord, you know? All the courts. Go ahead.

Jordan Davis. I thought this was one of his best games of the season. And look, a game like this, you needed. Jordan to show up. Julia, if you want to go, there's Jordan, there's two Jordan Davis shots I wanted to pull. Bo you mentioned I wrote about Jordan in this game. I think when you look at him, he was able to impact the run game in a number of different ways. Sometimes he was taking on a double team and he was building the wall up at the line of scrimmage and other guys were there to be able to make a play. Other times he was getting into the backfield and showing that quickness off the

ball and disrupting Derek Henry. We talked about how that was a big thing going into this game, that you needed to be able to get him and stop that forward momentum, force him to stop his feet, You can just go to one. It's forcing to stop his feet. This is a good example. This is the second play of the game where he's, and this is Jordan Davis, obviously, right in the middle of your screen to the right, to the right hash, number 90. I mean, he's standing there, the blocker upright. It's a straight two gap.

And really, that entire wall is built. It's a great visual of Milton Williams, Jalen Carter, and Jordan Davis, all doing a great job here at the point of attack. And Derek Henry had nowhere really to go with the football in that play. And then, Julie, if you go to the next one, this was when. the Eagles had Baltimore backed up on their one yard line. This was the second down play call. Jordan Davis flies into the backfield as a quick swim move off the ball. And he doesn't get credit for the TFL here or the tackle here,

but he forced Henry to just slow down his feet. And then his teammates were able to get there to finish the job. And then there were other plays where he does stack and shed and get off and make the tackle. And so I thought you saw a little bit of everything from Jordan Davis in this game. And I think that's a game like that against that offense. you can say the same thing about if they eventually play the Detroit Lions. You go to the Super Bowl and you play the Buffalo Bills. All these teams now, the Green Bay Packers, you're going to need Jordan Davis in a Packers game if you play them.

So I think when you look at the way that the best offenses right now are operating in the NFL, there's that toughness aspect, that physicality aspect, that you're going to need Jordan Davis to show up in those games. And part of that is because they were playing base. And I am curious because I did ask Vic Fangio today. Anthony told me to ask him about the fact that. the Eagles are making these, they're struggling, relatively speaking, early in the game. On these opening drives, teams are having productive drives against them, and then they make adjustments as the game goes on. And Vic says it's not always adjustments.

Sometimes you just play better. Sometimes you make minor things that you do. But the one thing that jumps out to me with the Eagles is it's not like these big sweeping halftime adjustments. It's on the fly. It's as the game goes on. So what did you see? Because the Ravens were moving the ball early, and then they stalled up until, really, final drive. Yeah, I mean, I think that

I'm glad that that's how Fangio put it, because that's how I would have put it here on the show, is that, you know, yeah, they move the ball in the first two drives. They get points on each of their first two drives. But you saw that 40-yard completion of Zay Flowers. That was a scramble drill situation where you have a mistackle, the opportunity

to sack Lamar Jackson in the backfield, you don't get it, and they're able to get points later on in that drive. So I wouldn't look at that as like, oh, they have to make an adjustment off of that play. That's just, you got to finish the tackle or you can't let Zay Flowers get loose down the field. Next drive, first down,

Isaiah likely is wide open on a three-level stretch, and Lamar Jackson overthrows him. The drive after that, or actually, no, it was the very next play. Lamar Jackson fumbles the snap, shotgun snap, and he gets tackled in the backfield because he jumps in the ball, and now it's third and 17. All right, well, the Eagles get their first three-in-out based off of that two-play sequence, right?

He misses A. Flowers in the backed-up situation on third down, where he just puts it in the dirt. So I think that, yes, like the Eagles were able to rebound. they were able to make adjustments, but they also, they got a little bit of help as well. They had, look, they had two misfield goals, Baltimore in this game, so that's two drives that could have ended in points theoretically. So I think in this game defensively, they did enough, certainly, to contain Lamar Jackson. Huge credit to them for, you know, taking the top off of that defense, off of that past game and not letting them create those explosives that they've become so accustomed to them creating. But overall, I wouldn't say like, oh, yeah, they really crafted a bunch of adjustments.

To me, it was more, the guys did a really good job of recognizing what Baltimore was trying to do and then just out-executing them, especially in the run game in particular. Lamar Jackson and his mother were a little frustrated that he didn't run more. He thought he could have run more in this game. Did you see opportunities when you watch film where it's like, ooh, that could have been a big gain on the ground for Lamar? No, I think they, overall, I think the Eagles defense did a good job of playing, of playing, and being disciplined with the rushes. Obviously, he got away on that final drive with that long one. But on that one, I mean, that was maybe the most egregious non-call from a holding standpoint.

Milton Williams was, yeah. You saw the jersey. He was very clear as day that Milton Williams was getting held from behind as he beat the offensive lineman inside. So I was shocked that that one in the moment didn't come back. But I think that overall, I think the defense did a really good job of keeping him contained from a scrambling standpoint. You know, I think that there was actually a really good example. I talk about like the play recognition. Julia, if you want to bring up the Bond TFL.

This is the play Zach told us about on the postgame show. Right. Yeah, yeah. He said, what was it if you could remind the – Yeah, Zach Bond said on this play that he saw it during the week. Yep. And he abandoned his assignment because he expected them to do this play. So he felt real proud of this play because this was something that –

a play he said he made from Monday to – this Saturday, not necessarily on Sunday. Well, let's take a look at what they're looking at here. So before the snap, if you look at, you see where the center is, right on the right hash, number 64, okay? And that's that's Tyler Lindelbaum. Right next to him is the right guard, Daniel Falulele. Next to him is the tight end, Mark Andrews, the right tackle, Rosengarten.

He has actually moved over. This is a tackle over set. So it's a unique look here from the Baltimore offense, where you've got both of your tackles over on the far side. You'll see Ronnie Stanley. He's on the left hash mark. He is really wide out wide. and you've got Isaiah likely lined up between both of those tackles there.

So it's a very unique look. And by the way that these guys are spaced out, my guess is that Zach Bonn saw this and he said, he knew that, all right, they're doing a pinpool sweep here because just outside of our frame, and you'll see it in the next shot, Zay Flowers is lined up outside Josh Sweat. If you've got the wide receiver lined up, that snug to the defensive end with the offensive tackle out there. Julie, if you want to go to the next shot, you could, Zach Bond predicted, all right, they're going to run a pinpool where Zay Flowers is going to block Josh Swet. He's going to just try and pin down and you're just trying to pull all the other guys outside

inside of him. So you've got the tight end, Isaiah likely he's going to pull Rosen Garden. He's going to pull Ronnie Stanley. He's going to block down on Milton Williams. And you could see, Zach Bond is already mid-stride. He is running to his spot. And he's going to chase his gap and get there. Now, I don't know what his responsibility was supposed to be before this.

if I was just watching this without knowing that contact Zach, I would not know that he's abandoning his assignment. I would say that he read this play and did an outstanding job. So I don't know if he was supposed to blitz in an opposite gap. I don't know if he was supposed to drop towards the middle of the field and they were supposed to be

a blitz going the other way. But regardless, Julie, if you want to go to the final shot, you can see he beats the offensive linemen to the spot. The offensive tackle Rosengarten is supposed to try and get up to the second level to block Bonn. But Bonn beats him there. And now he's one-on-one with Derek Henry. The job's not done, though, because you've still got to go and you've got to

wrap up Derek Henry there. It's third and four, right? It was third and four, I think, and this is a TFL for minus four. This was the second three and out, I think, for the, for the Eagles defense here in this game. Huge play, certainly to get this stop. And this goes to like, you know, where do they get these instincts from? Yeah, I mean, this, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, this, to me, like, this is, this is a tape study play. This is one, you know, going to Zach's point. This is one where if you're watching them long enough, he sees, all right, if they're in this set, this tackle over set, all right, what do you go through the mental roll decks? What are the plays that they like to run from this set?

Derek Henry is lined up to the left, to the strong side. It's not going to be a run going the other way. This is going to be something to this side. So he says, all right, looking at the receiver where that split is, that this is going to be the play call. It's a great job by Zach Bond. In this game with their first time with No Brennan Graham, we know that they really just leaned on the three edge guys,

But were they doing different stuff front-wise that we've seen? If I can just jump in real quick, excuse me, because that came up with Vic Fangio. And Vic Fangio said he had a year in San Francisco where they played only three edge rushers the whole time. So he thinks this is entirely sustainable that they can go with a three-man rotation. My guess is, too, back then he had Ahmad Brooks, who, you know, that he kind of had that bond type of role where he could do a little bit of everything. And so I think when you look at their usage of Zach, on in this game. We had reps of him not playing as a pure defensive end, but coming down and playing on the line of scrimmage. That gives them that other type of skill set to be able to do that.

I think all three guys, you know, certainly, I mean, Nolan Smith played more snaps. I thought that he played a really good game, Nolan Smith. I think when you look, obviously, Josh Sweat, I think Sweat came off the ball. He honestly, like, probably had his most consistently productive day as a rusher, Josh Swet. There was a bunch of really clean wins from sweat in this game, and Jaylux showed up. He did a nice job. I wouldn't say that it was like, oh, man, Like this was an outstanding performance from the rookie, but I think he did. He did a nice job. It didn't look too big for him.

Okay. Take us through the half-sack at Bonn and Hunt. Good one. Yeah. All right. So, Julia, this would be Bonn Hunt. This one, and R.C. in the Discord, wanted this one broken down as well.

So you can see that Zach Bond, he's lined up. He's not as a defensive end on this play. He's lined up off the ball, you know, four or five yards off the ball. And it doesn't look like he's going to Blitz, but he is actually going to Blitz on this play. And this was a true blitz, a five-man press. This was not one where you see a defensive end drop off in coverage. By the way, all the way down to 31st in the league in blitz rate. Yeah, they're not doing it much.

Early in the season, it was fluctuating week to week. They were doing a little bit more blitzing. They have settled down and they're relying on that four-man rush. Yeah, and we're still seeing the linebackers used often as pressure players, but often typically they are dropping a defensive out out. So it'll be a four-man rush just with a linebacker triggering and the defensive end dropping out. Now, here with you've got Zach Bond coming into this. B gap, that means that he's going to be the running back's responsibility.

So, Julie, if you go to the next shot, you see Justice Hill has got to come from the other side of the formation, and he tries to cut Zach Bond. Justice Hill's been really good in Passpro all season long. Bonn is able to give him the quick O'Lay. He defeats the cut block. And now Lamar Jackson, he wants to make this throw out to the left flat. Zay Flowers is going to be open here. This was a play that Quinion Mitchell missed due to injury.

Keeley Ringgo's out there. They ran like a little rub play, a rub concept to create separation for flowers underneath. against Ringo. He would have been open, but Lamar, I think my guess is, is that Jalux Hunt coming off the edge, he actually gets a nice clean win against Stanley here where he's going to, you see that Stanley's completely turned around. Hunt's there, and he uses that length to basically disrupt the passing lane. Lamar decides he's not going to throw the football, and Zach Bonn and Jaylux Hunt converge for the sack. Do you think there was a rush lane here for Lamar? And because I made the reference earlier about Lamar Jackson's mother, what he said,

is that his mom cussed him out. She said there were lanes I should have taken and ran, but I was trying to let guys develop routes. We had developing routes. I was just trying to go through my progressions, but yes, she's right. I'm sorry for this. I'm just mad because I feel like we should win these games,

and we're not getting them done. So that was kind of the root of the Lamar rushing question. And as I saw the screenshot here, I'm wondering, like, is he able to tuck that? You know, yeah, if you're looking at the screen, screen grab. Julie, if you want to pull up the third one again, like, yeah, there are lanes there where he could take off, but also, like, within rhythm of the play, like that, he's trying to make the play that's designed,

the way that it's designed. And he's been so good this year at, you know, playing within the offense and letting, letting routes develop and do their thing. Like I said, Zayflowers is open. Like, it's going to be there. It's just that, you know, that J-Lix Hunt comes off the edge and kind of takes that throw away from him. So, yes, he could have taken off and run. And maybe three years ago, he probably does just take off and run, that would have been bad process. I think this was fine process from Lamar Jackson's play.

Mama told me that every day is like this. That's a music lyric for you. He was so excited for that. Thank you. You were talking about... That's like bringing the whole show together. I think it's Mama said there by days like this. That's what I said.

You said. Mama told me. Yeah. He's checking. Google AI, Full Zach. So you didn't even think of that. No, I did think of it. You Googled it.

No, I did think of it. I had the lyric in my head, and I wanted to make sure. Stolen valid. No, the first verse, well, Mama told me there will be days like this. Okay. The song is called Days Like This by Van Morrison. Stick to the day, Jeff. Is that not a lyric?

is that is that not a lyric I'm trying to focus on football here you know legales have just had their biggest win of the season 15 months I'm trying I'm trying to focus here the exchanges that you were talking about yep came up on the Nolan Smith sack yes right yep that's a good point so Julie if you want to go to Nolan Smith sack we'll take a look at because on to me on all three sacks you could do a you could take a look at really how the coverage was able to impact and able to affect Lamar Jackson. And this is a good example where here just before the snap, you see that you've got both linebackers kind of creeping up towards the line of scrimmage. Now, on this play, Nicopi Dean, who's at the top of the linebacker towards the top of the screen, he's the one that's

going to blitz. Zach Bonn, who is on the hash mark that's closer to the bottom of the screen, he drops out and Josh Sweat drops out. And so, Julie, if you go to the next shot here, we'll see as the snap of the ball, you see those two guys towards the bottom. They both drop out. And I thought that Josh Sweat did an outstanding job on. this play of matching a route because what Baltimore is trying to run here and Julie if you go to the next one, they're running a a version of a three level stretch where you're going to have

Nelson Aguilar, he's going to run the vertical route outside the numbers, he's going to run down the field. You're going to get Zay Flowers run a little bit of like a sail route and over and back where he's going to work towards the middle put his foot in the ground and break back towards the sideline. Cooper DeGine reads this perfectly. He does an outstanding job of matching this. And then the second progression for

Lamar here will be the shallow cross from Isaiah likely coming from the top of the screen and Josh Sweat matches that route beautifully. Julie, if you go to the next shot, you can see Lamar Jackson hits the top, and he's got nowhere to go. Cooper DeGine, he takes right around the 35-yard line. He takes that route away from Zay Plowers. He's playing that outside in.

He's got nowhere to go there. Sweat does a great job on the tight end there, on the shallow cross. Now you've got Nolan Smith who wins. It's called a ghost move. Maybe you can call it a blanket ship where basically he's going to feign like he's going to use the long-arm bull rush, get the offensive tackle to throw his hands, and then just dip underneath and get home. And it wasn't super clean because Lamar had to kind of step up away from the rush and run away. But that's where the effort and the closing burst from Nolan Smith really showed up

and he's able to get home for the sack. But that was later in the down because the coverage did such a good job on the front end. All right. A little bit more to come on the defense and then also getting into the offense just after this. Which one should I go with? Which right-aid read should I do. Oh, please do it. It's Julie's favorite ad. You've got to do it. Let's just talk about the refreshery. The Rite Aid Refresory. This line of beverages ranges

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from the store now to your front door. Visit Ace Hardware Home Services online at www. to get you started on your next project. All right, two more things to hit on on the defense. Yes. The Tristan McCollum pass break-up. Yeah. As he goes in for Reed Blankenship, who's knocked up.

And, well, not that you're not. Congratulations to the Blankenships. We'll see if he plays this week. But a nice play, and Roma broke it down on the broadcast. But you were, we were watching this game together, and you were like, oh, what a play by Tristan McCollum. It's a great play by Tristan McCollum. And so, you know, Romo did a great job of pointing it out.

Julie, if you want to go to the first one, it's McCollum, PbU. Basically, Baltimore is running a dagger concept where you're going to have a vertical route from the inside and then the deep in-cut, the deep dig from the outside. Now, McCollum, he's lined up just inside of that vertical route. You can see him on the hash mark just to the bottom right of the Baltimore Ravens logo. And he does a great job, and Romo pointed this out of seeing that dig route and stepping in. front of it. Now, as I was going back through the film, I didn't notice this when they showed the all-22 on the broadcast, but Cooper Dijin, our good friend, who was on with Anthony Gargano this morning, Julie, if you want to go to the next shot, before Tristan steps in front of it,

Cooper calls it out and points to it, and you could see him pointing to it here and basically saying, like, Tristan, here comes, here comes the dig. And so Cooper de Gene nearly sets up this interception for for Tristan McCollum. It went right through his hands. It would have been an awesome pick. I mean, still a great play by McCollum. And you loved when you have a deep reserve, a young player come in and make a heads-up play like that. But I wanted to make sure that Cooper DeGine got some love there for essentially being that coach on the field, that extra set of eyes for McCollum there in that situation, telling them that the route's coming and, you know, letting him get his eyes back to the football. So you're putting this on Cooper? I'm definitely putting this on Cooper.

Yeah, ooh, I like that. Yeah, it was a great play. So real quick, on the postgame show, you guys were wondering why McCollum got in over Sidney Brown. Vic Fangio referenced this last week when McCollum actually got in for a few snaps then, and he said Tristan has had the most reps going all the way back to training camp, I believe he's more ready to play. He gave a long answer today about what he's seen from Tristan McCollum in terms of, like, the athleticism, the way he played during the summer.

So he's someone who a lot of people in the building really like coming out. out of camp. He obviously he made the 53. So that was the reason I think it was the time on task during the summer that Vic Fangio trusts him more. By the way, do you know what? Yeah, your question. If they loved Tristan McCollum and safety so much coming out of camp, why did they have James Bradbury on the roster? Well, that's a fair question. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. I don't have a good answer for you there. maybe they saw Bradbury's versatility honestly I think it was as simple as they're already paying Bradbury so it's like they don't want to pay Bradbury to play for a different team so they're going to have Bradbury here that's but it's it's a fair question the name what do you think Jalen Hertz calls Tristan McCollum? Probably Tristan T-Mac. No, twin.

He calls them twin which is interesting because Cindy Brown is also twin. When he says twin, which safety are you referring to? It's a little messed up. I just thought he was, he said in his press conference, he said twin. And I'm trying to, it's like, oh, that's Tristan McComb he's talking about. You know what? It's so interesting when people talk about the Eagle's safeties, you know, you've got read Blankenship, C.J. Gardner Johnson and Twins.

Yeah. Yeah. That one absolutely hit. That is over my head. They got two pairs of twins. But I... Yes. Look, in the chat, I mean, that was fantastic.

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Yeah. I'll send a link. It's not a sponsor of this show. Yeah, exactly. If they want to sponsor our show. They sponsor a different show. Yes. Oh, okay.

Okay. Last thing. Last thing. I'm glad you pointed out the Cooper DeGine that he deserves the credit for the McColl and play. Because this is my crankiest, most ridiculous take so far. Okay. and it's okay if people crush me for this.

Dylan McMahon play. The Derek Henry tackle is an awesome play. Yep. It's a little bit overrated. He's not like tackling him in the open field with a head of steam. Like he gets him right? No one does the ball. That's all I'm saying.

Wow. Did you see him play? Derek Henry? Like, yeah, it's a nice play. He made the good play. And now the celebration, I love the celebration. But talking about like, well, there's not a lot of defensive backs in the league who can make that play.

I don't think that's true. He hits him right as he hasn't even turned yet. Dude, that's a great play. That's a great play. You're like the house giving apples on trick-or-treating, right? It's like, yeah. I told you. I'm grang-y, man.

That people enjoy the fun. The way you say that, it makes it sound like you have like eight digits at the end of your Twitter handle and you're appearing in my mentions, like, complaining about. No, I think those people would be much more behind the way, guy. That's what it surprised me about, because there were people in my mentions about this play saying the same exact thing you were saying. Really? Yeah, and I thought the same thing. I was like, before I blocked this profile, I would think that they would like this play.

The play is awesome because it's like it's recognition, it's all of that stuff. It's just like the, I feel like the tackle itself is like, oh man, he planted Derek Henry in the open field. Like, I mean, Derek Henry didn't even know he's there. All right. Well, if you want to take a break for two seconds, Julia, if you want to pull up, I did just grab the quick screen grabs here for DeGine hit one. How good you are, man. This is awesome. Well, so DeGine's over right near the 50-yard line just to the left of the left of the. the numbers there at the top.

And basically he takes this throw away. It's going to be a deep curl route that Lamar Jackson wants to hit to the outside. And it's nothing special. I mean, he's in his position. He takes the throw away. It's third and long. This is what the Eagles have been doing for the last several weeks. They do a good job of taking away the vertical throws, force the checkdown.

You see Josh Swett is actually getting home. This is another play where Josh Swett wins quickly against Ronnie Stanley. And he's able to get home to Lamar Jackson helps force the check down here. So the coverage is able to keep the throw from happening. The rush forces the checkdown. And now, I guess it's not a big deal, but you can go to the next play, the next shot here. And you can see that Cooper DeGine does a great job of coming downhill.

Derek Henry, surprising enough, has turned upfield. So he does see the play. It does see Cooper DeGine coming. But I guess, also not a big deal. I like the angle from Cooper DeGene here on this play. He's coming outside in. He's got help on the inside. here, so a nice vice here

from both of the Eagles defenders. If Cooper Degine is like every other defensive back and would miss this tackle in this situation, he's got some help there on his inside, but he does a great job of finishing there with a violent stop on one of the hardest tackle, or one of the hardest guys to tackle in modern football.

And also, just love the juice on the sideline, if you wanted to the next play here. This was one of my favorite videos that you've done was breaking this down. I mean, I took a picture or took a video of my phone and sent it to you guys on day morning just because I was I was dying laughing to myself up in my office as I was watching and then like the whole bench erupts you see coaches coming from the other side like it was

so much fun that was a really fun play who was the coach I don't know you don't know you don't see the coach you have to go to the video to see that because it's further down which is great like they all knew that this was coming yeah I don't I don't know if this way if that's if if it's Christian Parker I don't know if Parker's in the in the booth or in the booth or on the field. He's on the sideline. All right. It might have been,

it might have been Parker because he immediately, like, takes off to running down the sideline and he's doing the celebration. Was he very Jordan's? Couldn't quite tell from three miles up. But, yeah. No, it was outstanding play.

Or maybe not. The play is awesome. The play is awesome. And I don't want to yuck everybody's young. I feel like the, like, it's like the best tackle we've seen a guy making in a long time. It's just a little bit.

It's great play. And here you go. I'm pulling this up now. You guys can keep. All right. Okay. Keep talking. We'll keep talking.

All right. Let's spend some time on the offense. Offense. I'm glad we did it this way because I feel like most of these episodes we've gone very offense-heavy. So I'm glad that it was the inverse here for this one. What's up with the passing game? You did a good job writing on all-page. O-Y.com, the article, about most of the successful passes for Jalen Hertz in this game were sort of those easy button.

Passes, be it under center play action. or RPO's, which were working better in this game than they have in a while, but the straight drop-back game, not super successful in this game. Why do you think that is? And is it a concern at all? I don't know if it's like a huge concern. Look, the Eagles, we asked them, you know, the Wii being the collective we, months ago, when they were having their struggles in the beginning of the season,

they start two and two. And we say, hey, they're making things too difficult in the past game. They need to create more of these easy button opportunities for Jalen Hertz. And in this game, they certainly did that. They leaned more into the RPO's. They continue to be really effective with their use of play action. He only completed 11 passes in this game. He only attempted, what was it, 15 passes total in the game.

I went to go pull up that listing real quick. But I think when you look at Jalen in this game, I mean, 11 completions, screen passes, Taconne Barclay, under center play action, A.J. Brown. play action to Jahan Dotson, RPO to AJ, RPO to Dallas, play action to AJ. Then you had a three-step throw to AJ Brown outside the numbers, a three-step rhythm throw, which will get to, an RPO, a checkdown, and then the mesh route on third and seven. And to me, like, it comes down to, like, all right, in those moments on third and seven, when you need seven yards, can this drop-back pass game get you seven yards? In this game, they had one of those opportunities that was, like, in crunch time that they needed. and he's able to hit.

They didn't hit all of them. I wouldn't expect him to hit all of them. I didn't think that Jaylen played poorly. I think that he played fine. I think he had a fine game. Yeah, I didn't think that Jaylen had a bad game. Did you think that there were any misses in this game? No, not necessarily.

This one felt more structural to me. Yeah, I think that, you know, going back through some of the failed opportunities. I mean, one third down was the deep ball to AJ Brown down the last. left sideline or it's like, all right, like, yeah, that's, that's kind of what we've seen them doing the past. And we know how that can be a roll of the dice. Outside of that, like, that one felt a little bit last year. Yeah, but I think that's always going to be present. I think those kind of throws are just always going to be present. It's just a matter of like turning the dial down on them. And I think they've done that, which I think that's the right

way to go about it. You know, and look, they had some third and fours, third and fives where, They had a third and seven where they handed the ball off to Sequin Barclay, and he picked up seven. I don't know that that's sustainable either. But I do think it speaks to where they know that their bread is buttered right now. And you can look at that and say, like, oh, that's a knock on hurts. I would say, like, look, they know, and the offensive staff knows, and this isn't just like this week, because they're in the middle of an eight-game win streak. But going back two months, jobs are on the line, right?

we as a staff, like we have to do what we have to do to win football games. And I think that that shows the way that they're playing right now and the way that they're calling games is that they're going to ask Jalen Hertz to be the point card. And on a handful of these plays, they are one read plays where it's, you're reading this underneath defender, get the ball out. It's an RPO, read the end guy in the line of scrimmage or the playside linebacker, get the ball out. You know, it's not a lot of, all right, you're going to, if it's this coverage,

then the ball goes here. But if it's going to be that coverage, then the ball's got to go over there. and you have to read this out. We've said from Jump Street that that's been an area where Jalen Hurd, that's where it can get a little bit random and the success levels drop. I think that they're leaning a little bit less away from those and they're leaning back towards the other way. And I don't think that's a terrible thing.

I think that you are able to have success, build confidence. That's what they did in 2022. And then Jalen in the playoffs came through and had one of the all-time performances we've seen from quarterback in the Super Bowl. So it's a little bit of, I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, I think. but I think ultimately, Jalen is playing well, and that's,

honestly, that is what matters most, in my opinion. Do you think that the, there is evidence that the opening drive stuff, that they really are like trying different things to get reads on the defense, and that scoring is not the,

the prime objective for them? No, I think that scoring is definitely the prime objective, objective for them, but I think that, you know, like the very first third down of the game, it was a,

there was a basically drop-back pass. And we could pull that play up now since we're talking about it. So this is rap, Julia. It's a rap one. My name is Sequin and I'm here to say that I like scoring touchdowns every day. I don't think that's a music lyric. Not directly, anyway. All right, so it's first third down of the game, third and six, I believe.

And you can see that Britton Covey's going in motion in the backfield. You see him going from left to right for Jalen Hertz. And I include the motion because I think it's important. And Jalen Hertz drops back, Julie, if you want to go to the next play, he's going to just run a simple out route, Britain Covey. You can see him running right towards the five at the top of the screen. And I don't think that Jalen Hertz expects that this is going to be cover two. Before the snap, there was one high safety.

You could see that it now is rotated to too high, and it's going to be a cover two look here from the Ravens. And Julie, if you go to the next shot, Jalen's lucky that this ball wasn't picked off. It's mid-flight here, and Britton Covey's running this out route directly into a cover-two corner. that's not where this ball should have gone. If you knew that it was going to be covered too, you wouldn't throw this pass. It's probably going to the other side of the field. You see Dallas Scotters running an outbreaking route.

That's where the ball would have gone. So they got fooled by the coverage. But that's fine that that happens, right? You mean, you could turkey hole AJ Brown too, right? In theory, yeah, if you knew that that's where it was going to be. Yes, exactly. So, you know, I think when, you know, at the end of the day, it's an incomplete pass.

Come to the sideline. Hey, what did we see? Well, really quickly, Julie, can you go back to the second one to the last, last shot. Roquant Smith is right in the middle of the Ravens logo number zero, and he opens up to the top of the screen. Now, typically, in cover two, the middle linebacker will open up to the three receiver side, to the passing strength. Now, that would be the bottom of the screen for us.

That's where Sequan Barclay is, and you've got A.J. Brown and Dallas got it there. But Roquant Smith opened up the opposite side, the side of the motion. That's unique. You typically would not see that. Now, I think that's notable because a few plays later, or I should say a couple drives later. And by the way, just to thank everybody watching on TV, make sure that you head over to all-PHly.com to check out this next play. There we go. Julia, if you go to two shots from now, so not this one.

Yep, so pass this one. All right. So later in the game, you're going to get Paris Campbell going in motion. You see him in the backfield. He's going. The eagle start with a three-receiver set. They're motioning the two-by-two. And what do you get?

Julie, if you go to the next one, you see Roquant Smith open up to the side. of the motion away from the passing strength. And you see at the bottom of the screen, that's A.J. Brown and Dallas Goddard, the Eagles here expected it's going to be covered two. It's going to be Tampa, too. And so what do they do? They run a pass concept that is great at attacking that middle linebacker.

If he opens up away, Julie, if you go to the next one, we're going to run A.J. Brown right behind him. He's not going to be looking at it. The other underneath defender, Dallas Goddard is going to occupy him, and A.J. Brown's going to run right through it. Now, you may remember the sickos that watched this, segment after the Jacksonville game. This is the same exact play that they ran when AJ Brown got hurt against the Jaguar. Same exact play and Jayland did a great job of attacking

cover two with this play call and attack in the middle of the field. And that's what Jaylin does here. He puts the ball right on AJ and it's a first down. What I love is that this, look, this was clearly some information that they were able to get on the opening drive that they just kind of filed away from later. And what I love, Zach, you talked yesterday on the show, right, about how, was it Lane Johnson that said that Roquant Smith was tipping plays? This was the example right here. So, Julia, if you go to the next shot, it's later in the game. The Eagle's starting a three-receiver set.

They send a receiver in motion. I think that's John, no, it looks like it's Campbell again, coming this time to the opposite side. Julie, if you go to the next shot, you can see that Roquant Smith has pointed out. He's like, nope, this is going to be a rap concept. They're going to try and do it again. They're going to try and attack me on the blind side here. And if you go to the next shot, Julia, this is the last one.

Roquan is there in the passing lane. They were trying to run that same play to A.J. and Roquan steps in front of the passing lane. Jalen Hurts has nowhere to go with the football. Nobody's open and he has to run around and he ends up throwing it away. So all that to say, yes, they are getting some information from those opening drives. I do think that they want to score on those opening drives. I think that they're just, you know, for one reason or another, in every single one of these games, they're just coming up short. I do think it's, if you want to take solace in the fact and try and look at it with half glass full, you say,

all right, well, at least they're getting something out of those failures and trying to apply those lessons later in the game. How much do you think the concept, concepts change when they get Devante Smith back, and let's just presume that there's no Dallas Goddard. Yeah, it seems like there won't be a Dallas Goddard. I think that the concept don't. Four games this season, they've had all three of those guys. Right.

Yeah. And that was one of the areas where he said, like, they probably don't have the depth to be able to sustain injuries to that spot or to the past catcher group. But I think when you look at the conceptually, I don't think things change all that much. I mean, they run this the same concepts. I think now it's just more like you have more viable. options for Jalen on some of these plays where, you know, it's not, you know, you made the point where as we were watching the game on Sunday, it's, man, it's, all right, it's C.J. Usama,

Britain Covey, Paris Campbell, Jehan Dodson out there. Like, that doesn't have a ton of teeth to it as opposed to feeling like, oh, it's A.J. Devante, Dallas Goddard, Sequin Barclay. Man, that really gets you excited. So that's something that certainly they'll, you know, they'll feel better about once you get Devante back on the field. All right. Last thing to hit on offense is the Sequin touchdown, the tackle power, busting it out in a big spot. It's huge play. They've run this a lot in the past.

And do you think this is a false start? No, I think that he times it because people and like, yeah, we came into my mentions right away. We're like, oh, this looks like a false start. I think Juergens is moving the ball as, as George. And this is like Lane. It's a little, it's a little dance move that he does to get himself set up for it. He's got some light feet there, Jordan Milata.

But, no, I think that he and Lane Johnson have kind of perfected that timing there. So it's close. but we'll call it a wash with all the holding pedals the other side. Yeah, so tackle power is going to be a B-Gap run. Julia, if you want to go to Sequan TD-1, this is going to hit in the B-gap. That's the gap between the guard and the tackle. So you need the guard and the tackle to basically create the lane, create the alley here for not just Sequan-Barkley, but for the puller.

Now, on regular power, that's your guard coming from the backside. That would be Landon Dickerson. But with tackle power, obviously, it's going to be the tackle that's pulling from the backside. Not every team is able to run this, but when you have to be a back side, but when you have Lane Johnson, when you have Jordan Milata, two guys that can get out in the perimeter and make these kind of plays on the move, it's a really tough run to defend from a box standpoint. But Lane Johnson, he's going to set that outside edge. Mackay Beckton does a great job

of creating the inside edge. And now you've got the alley here for Jordan Milata, the lead up is basically a fullback here on Roquan Smith. Sequan Barkley plays off of that. Julia, if you want to go to the next shot, again, that's Jordan Milata pulling. The next guy I want you to take a look at, though really quickly is the linebacker that is right on top of the circle. That's Trenton Simpson. Last year's third round pick out of Clemson for Baltimore. Julie, if you want to go to the next shot, Simpson comes all the way down and he's now on the left side of the screen. He's respecting the threat of QB run. The play before this, Jalen Hertz kept this on a QB counter read for like 11 yards, 14 yards, whatever it was, and Simpson was out of position on that play

because he's trying to respect Sequin Barclay. And here he's got the inverse. And Barclay keeps this We're going to be in a blender. So were they setting him up? I don't think they were setting up as much as like that's just life going up against this Eagles offense. I think that's so he, you know, Sequin Barclay, there's no one at the second level. Jordan Milata fits up on Roquant Smith. He makes the safety miss because the safety's trying to come downhill and he doesn't take a good angle.

It's almost like we don't want to take DB making, DB's making tackles for granted in space against running backs, like some of us at the desk might. That's totally different. He's got ahead of steam. What dictates whether you go to the left or the right here, whether you have Jordan Mila Polling or Lane Johnson pulling? Offensively? Yeah. Like, why are you calling that play with Jordan as opposed to Lane?

I think it's just like where they were like hashmark wise and like, you know, formationally, they've run it with Lane as well in the past. So I think they're comfortable with either guy doing it and not every team can say that where they can start. Time they've run it this season. Yeah, well, it's the fifth time they've run it. It's the third time they run it with Sequin. So they've run it four other times. 13 yards for Sequin against Jacksonville or against Green Bay in week one. They ran it twice with Gainwell in some of the middle games for like three yards and four yards.

And then again for like seven yards, Sequin against Jacksonville in week nine. So, you know, I went to go back because I was like, yeah, they haven't run tackle power a bunch. I chart all that stuff. So I just went back and just did a command F real quick. Yeah, well, you know, got to let them know. And yeah, they'd only run it a handful of times this season. And they ran it a bunch in years past. But yeah, they were able to hit it for a 25-yard touchdown to seal the game.

And also on this play. Ah, of course, Lane Johnson. Lane hits it again. Hits it again. And early, too. Like, Sequin, he's still like 2018, 20 yards away when Lane celebrates. So, yeah. Sequin said after this game that he closed his eyes and ran through the hole.

And then he clarified he didn't actually close his eyes. Yeah, right. But he said, like, that's the kind of. play was like he trusts that Jordan Mila is going to make that block and that it allows him to accelerate get the head of steam quickly and so when you look at the numbers for yards before contact like this certainly helps yeah when you look at and that's when you talk about like yards before contact when you have like an offensive and it shows up in a lot of different ways you know sometimes teams are really high in yards before contact because they do a lot of perimeter plays and so if

you've got a fast running back that can get to the perimeter it's a long time before he gets touch. Sometimes it's, oh, the offensive line up front is really, really good and moves guys off the ball, gives those guys room to work. With the Eagles, it just happens that's a little bit of both. And so that's why DeAndre Swift was always high in yards before contact. Miles Sanders was always high in yards before contact. Now, I mean, Sequan Barkley, even like this year, I think I just saw this today, he's averaging more yards after contact than he's ever had before in his career. I think a lot of that is because the yards before contact is so high, his forward momentum, he's up to top speed at a faster rate. So now he's able to run through that contact

a little bit higher. I asked him about this. As if it's easier to break tackles when you're moving. Was Derek Henry standing completely still when he got hit by the regime? No, he just turned around. I asked Sequin about those numbers. Also, the further you get downfield, it's not defensive linemen that you're breaking tackles.

It's linebackers and then defensive backs. Go ahead, Sam. I asked Seekwan about those numbers three weeks ago. And he said the same exact thing you said, is that the yards before contact have a direct relation to the yards after contact because he says. it allows him to be a runner quicker. Especially someone like Sequin. Miles did a great job in the offense.

DeAndre Swift did a great job in the offense. They're not built like Sequin. And so, you know, just the kids like to say he's built different. Like Sequin's built different. It's like Bo said, imagine they had a real running back in this offense, right? That's right. Let's get to the super chat from Andrew. Poor Andrew has been sleeping on the couch because his wife is a Ravens fan,

is what I gather from the chat. but he also says, considering the Niners collapse this year, how would you split the pie for the 2003-23 Eagles nadir last year? Post-Super Bowl loss certainly seems to make teams woefully underperform. Well, I go back to what Jason Kelsey said, that the reason why teams have a hard time getting back is because it's hard to make it to the Super Bowl. But I think this is the common thing with the Niners and Eagles,

is that there were such a weight on the Eagles last year, and you felt it in the building, you know, that we talked about it last year, that it didn't seem, you know, even when they were 10 and 1, it didn't seem like the most harmonious locker room, and it seemed like they were gritting their way, like gritting their teeth through that win streak almost last year. And a similar onus was on the 49ers to this, season and going into the season, especially when you are a real good team like both those

teams were and you lose the Super Bowl in tough fashion, which both those teams did, and you have a lot of continuity, which both those teams have, you think, all right, you're going to make it back, you're going to make it back. And it's just, it's so hard in this league to make it back. Yeah, and I think that the, like, the length of time you're playing, like the all the of that stuff wears on you. Sure. That's a factor. Obviously, for the Eagles, the staff turnover was a big deal.

You know, the Niners changed their defensive coordinator, too. Like, that stuff matters. Yeah, for all of those reasons, it's very difficult. Does seeing Christian McCaffrey season this year make you concern about what's ahead about Sequin Barclay, or it's like you'll cross that bridge when you get there? I mean, I am concerned about Sequin and Barclay next year, but I do think I have, we talked, I think, three weeks ago. about whether the Seekwon contract was worth it depending on next year.

And you were saying that no matter what, you think it's worth it, I'm on your side now. I think he has been so different to making this year that no matter what comes next year, he has done enough this year to have made that investment worth it. Yeah, he's a $26 million player this year, it seems like, right? And so that's the end of it, right there. What do you got?

No, I agree Okay You got what do you got like 10 minutes? I got like 10 minutes yeah Okay What else we got? What else we got? We don't talk about music or anything Um

No there was something In the beginning of the show Oh uh Oh, Emmanuel Forbes Yeah What'd you think? I mean that was a great pool by you I couldn't help

I mean I felt terrible from Marissa like years later From Marissa From Marissa Yeah Yeah Well You see what? Well, I mean, Zach, this, I mean, I was brow beating you, sure.

But also, like, you're puffing your chest out about how manual Forbes, how good Emmanuel Forbes is. And then the second you get a call to account to actually, actually, like, put something on the line. You're like, well, actually, I don't know. Like, I have to look at it. $500 is a lot of money. Yeah. Is that your normal betting increment? Like, you know, 500 dollars?

It was refreshing to look back and say the thing that I felt strongest about, I was absolutely correct about. I also give you credit. You could have given the time code to Julia to start it after the Detroit Lions, like you crushing the Detroit Lions for Jack Campbell and Jemir Gibbs. You left that in. Now, to be fair, if you go back to it, like, I liked Jemir Gibbs the player. I did think that taking him at 12 was a bad pick. Yeah.

But I will give you credit there. Zach, it was just, it was so funny because like with every like 90 seconds that pass, I was like, oh no, Zach. You were just like ripping Christian Gonzalez. You're like, you're like, now. You're like, okay. And then I couldn't believe that I literally called up the AJ Brown. The Jay Brown.

It's very good. I just wanted to end the show. I wanted to go to sleep. Like, I seriously, I felt like one of those hostage videos where eventually you're going to, you know, you're going to confess to the crime, right? So. Marissa saying, like, you know, like my back hurts. We've got to go. Like, I was just like, oh, no.

Poor, Mara. It's unbelievable. Yeah. It was good, though. That was fun. I enjoyed that. That was good. Well, we'll see what happens. Les Sneed and Sean McVeigh. He's worth an investment now.

Absolutely. Like, you know, there's something there. Well, the interesting is they claimed him. They didn't just sign them. They claimed them off waivers. So they take the contract. Yeah. Right?

That's true. They don't, they, they had, I have to look in terms of like caps space. Like, they had the ability to make that claim, obviously. But I think they had the wiggle room there. Okay. How's everybody doing? Who are you? I'm better now.

Better now. The show can be therapeutic. The adival kicked in. The show can be therapeutic. Sometimes just hanging out, talking football with your friends. I agree with that. Yeah, it can be what you need when you have a headache. I think that's right.

I have two recommendations to do things that I've enjoyed consuming lately. Okay. One, get the Royd-Aid Australian accent. Colin from Accounts, half-hour show on Paramount Plus, Australian show. Very highly recommended. Just absolutely the sweet spot that I was looking for for, like, just give me a half an hour a night. Fantastic. Highly recommend it.

Yeah, I'm kind of anti-Paramount Plus. They cancel players, right? Yeah. Yeah. I still had my login from players. I roll with Tony. Okay. I respect that.

And then a couple weeks ago, it was Rachel's birthday, and obviously I hadn't thought about the birthday at all, so I go to AI to figure out what I can do and recommends we should go to dinner and said, okay, that's a good idea. I was that a reference to that commercial you talked about last year? We went to Bolo in just off Riddhouse. We had a great time.

Highly recommended. What did you get? We got a few things, but the thing that I am still thinking about is these black bean dumplings that were so good. But while I was there, you remember the sicko who stopped me when he was on a run to tell me about him and his friends have the reference to Trayvon Hesta and Bruce Hector all the way back from the London trip episode. And I then ran into that same sicko at the Mount Joy show. And then he was sitting next to us at Bolo. Wow. Said hi, but I didn't, I've been regretting this.

I should have, like, I should have, like, sent over a drink to them or done something like that. But it was like Rachel's birthday dinner. That's a birthday. I didn't want to pull an, you know, an Emily with Vinny and, like, not, you know, where we got to be focused on the dinner. But I feel like I should have, you know, had a conversation for him. So I want to apologize to that, sick. I owe you a drink.

it sounds like you'll see him again. Yeah, seriously. Yeah, I would imagine so at this point. All right. Okay. That's all. Anything else? I've been watching Shrinking Season 2 on Apple.

Okay. I love that show. The show is so good. We saw Wicked as a family last week. Everybody loved it, all three of us. It was a great movie. I can't imagine you're going to see that now. The House of Zaks sitting through Wicked.

It could not be lower. He hates musicals. He hates anything that could be considered effeminate in any way. That's not true. That's not true. But my mother took my kids yesterday, and we saw it last week. And last night, I was heading out for something. And they were all listening to the Wicked Songs.

And I'm like, I got to get in this car and listen to a football podcast or something. Yeah, that tracks. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, this has been a football. podcast. So for all of you ostensibly. For all you really

machismo men out there who need to move on from your family's musical habits. Do you like Wicked? We're here for you. Yeah, it's good. I've seen it on Broadway like two or three times. Proposed to my wife after Wicked That's so nice. That's beautiful. He didn't watch. He didn't watch the watch along. He proposed to

Meg after they saw Wicked. Tyler, who was producing the show, proposed to his wife before they went to see Wicked. What a kismet. That's amazing. Yeah, I have nothing against it. I don't believe you. I don't believe you. I have nothing against it.

But no, I've nothing against it. But it's not for men. I didn't say that at all. I didn't say it. How many conversations do you have where someone breaks out in song? I'm asking you, seriously. I believe it's happened on this show. How long have you been doing a show about?

I like plays more than I like music. It's happened at least three times today. What's so funny? No, is there coming up there? Check on your... Well, you can't read them. I love my family. I love my family.

I didn't need to listen to the wicked music during... Yeah, I love the going to the movies. Yeah, what's better than going to the movies? Gladiator's out. Gladiator 2. You want to see that? We're going to see it. I can't say, I can't take Francis to see that, though. I'm going to wait a little bit. I'm excited for Gladiator 2. Now, that's a movie. He's really leading into it.

Yeah, the documentary about it. No, that's, yeah, you got at Denzel Washington. I'm excited for that. Ooh, Denzel. Look at my lips. No, I just mean that's going to be like, that's going to be a fun. movie to see. Chase Daniel Plainview checks in with the Super Chad just under the wire. He's...

Andy Reid has won a Super Bowl. Siriani hasn't allowed his... Hasn't allowed his coaches to drink in the facility in hospital. Okay, well, all right, all right. All right. All right, Chase Daniel Plainview, I'm not going there. Oh, man.

All right. Jamie and Rich back in the saddle tomorrow at 2 o'clock, and then the three of us are back. Are you here on Thursday or NovaCare in? Thursday? Yeah. I'm always here Thursday. Yeah, it's been lately. Yeah, I mean, not always, but you're usually here.

Yeah, ever since the change in schedule. So tomorrow I will come in from NovaCare over the video to talk to Jamie and Rich, excited for that. Thursday, I will be in studio. Friday is TBD because we have a Friday show coming up soon where I'm going to miss locker room because we're going to be at Reading Terminal. That's Friday the 20th, I believe. Yes. Yeah. So make sure actually put that on your calendar.

We're going to have a great Friday show on the 20th. All our Friday shows are good, but where you can come see us at the Reading Terminal. Please do. I'm going to skip locker room at day. And actually, I think Reed and Sloan are going to come watch the show. I think Megan Francis, by too. Oh, that's awesome. Very fun.

They might. That's great. Where have we landed in chat on what we should ask of Philadelphia women this weekend? Are we, are we say everybody, everybody stay in your homes, don't go out? Or are we saying, like, let's try to base this guy into a late night? I was thinking about this, by the way. Like, when I was listening to show, when you were listening to Wicked. No, and Vinny didn't understand the reference, and you explained it, and you brought it up.

I'm all for like, you know, look, I'm not defending Dave Canales here. I'm all for having, you know, fun and jokes at someone's expense. I do feel, I didn't read the book, but I think like the spirit of it was actually very, he was trying to. Sure. Yeah, be helpful and show he was trying to be transparent. And I appreciate like the transparency. So I don't know. I assume that he is.

adhering to his values now. But, yeah, I don't want to keep ripping on the guy from being transparent. Yeah, I mean, I think we could probably lay off at some point, but it's the week they're playing that. I'm going to bring it up. Okay. All right. That's all. All right.

That'll do it for this episode of the P.H.L.Y. Eagles podcast. Thank you to everybody for sticking with us today. We will be back tomorrow, Jamie and Richard, too, and then the three of us on Thursday, and then the professor, Dana, is here on Friday. Thanks to Julia for making it all happen and putting up with us. We'll talk to you later. And as always, we love you.